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#1
Serow_Darkstar
Dec 17, 2010 19:43:09 With Famine in Far-go out, we're up to 41 total origins. Legion of Gold will have another 8, and then there are several fan-made origins on these boards already!

For those of you sticking to the random generation, how are you handling this, or how are you planning on handling it?

Personally, I'm currently thinking I'll do it like this, with Far-Go and the base set:
Each player will roll twice, evens and odds. Evens means the base set, odds for Far-Go. Then they'll roll the d20's as usual, for their origins. If they roll the same number twice but on different lists, Engineered Human becomes an option - They can chose to either use the origins they rolled, or replace one with Engineered Human. If they're using the same list for both results and get the same number twice, Engineered Human works like normal, becomming their secondary. Functionally, this adds in a (slight) opportunity for Engineered Human to become a character's primary origin.
#2
shidara1
Dec 17, 2010 20:26:29
With Famine in Far-go out, we're up to 41 total origins. Legion of Gold will have another 8, and then there are several fan-made origins on these boards already!

For those of you sticking to the random generation, how are you handling this, or how are you planning on handling it?

Personally, I'm currently thinking I'll do it like this, with Far-Go and the base set:
Each player will roll twice, evens and odds. Evens means the base set, odds for Far-Go. Then they'll roll the d20's as usual, for their origins. If they roll the same number twice but on different lists, Engineered Human becomes an option - They can chose to either use the origins they rolled, or replace one with Engineered Human. If they're using the same list for both results and get the same number twice, Engineered Human works like normal, becomming their secondary. Functionally, this adds in a (slight) opportunity for Engineered Human to become a character's primary origin.

I intend to combine all the origins into a single table, sorted alphabetically. I also intend to keep Engineered Human as a rarity, reserved only for a double origin roll.

Base Set + Famine in Far-Go = 40 Origins = 2 20-entry charts, d2 + d20 for each origin.

Base Set + Famine + Legions = 48 Origins = 4 12-entry charts, d4 + d12 for each origin.

Or use a customizable dice app to generate a d40 and a d48.

Simple.
#3
ExcalibursZone
Dec 17, 2010 21:23:21 I was thinking about just slapping together a javascript page that I send people to during character creation.

But there's also: d6 + d20 roll for each. 1-3 (or odds) = core origins, 4-6 (or evens) for FiF. When Legion of Gold comes along, I just change that to 1-2 = core, 3-4 = FiF, and 5-6 = LoG.

I am not using fan-made origins other than my kludge for Pure Strain Humans which nobody has taken. I am currently in the redesign of how Pure Strain Humans work and one player has found the new ideas interesting. But this option was a choice rather than random.
#4
Serpine
Dec 17, 2010 21:36:36 My current thought is to have a percentile roll: 2 percent chance of each of the "normal" 48 origins and 4 percent of Engineered Human. If a duplicate is rolled the person would get to choose one of their two origins (declaring it primary or secondary as they see fit).
#5
Drakeotic
Dec 17, 2010 23:33:20 You could always have the first roll be from the core and the second roll be from the expansion.
That is what I might do.
#6
Oraibi
Dec 18, 2010 0:10:44 This is one reason that cards for origin selection work better than dice.
#7
amac
Dec 18, 2010 0:17:22 Ah, very good point!
#8
robotrock
Dec 18, 2010 0:25:18 Maybe I'm missing something here but ignoring LoG for a moment (or a few months actually...), the FiFG book breaks it down exactly what to do on page 7 (d6 to determine table, then d20 to determine origins) But I must say, that it had occured to me to have players roll one origin from each table as well...
#9
Oraibi
Dec 18, 2010 1:12:31 For last night's game, I had the players choose one of the following:

(a) Roll two origins from the FiFG.
(b) Roll one origin from GW and one origin from FiFG.
(c) Roll randomly as per page 7 of FiFG for both origins.

Everyone chose either (a) or (b).
#10
Serow_Darkstar
Dec 18, 2010 4:04:03 The only problem I have with using a d6 to determine which table to roll on, is the upcoming release of Legion of Gold, and that it will have 12 less origins than the other products. I'm wondering WHY they chose to cut down on the number of origins for LoG, and what they're going to suggest for character creation.

I'm considering the merits of using a dice roller and just setting up a d50, and adding Engineered Human and either a Pure Strain Human option or a "Player's Choice" option for the 50 slot.

How are people determining Engineered Human coupled with the Famine in Far-Go origins?
#11
anticlimax
Dec 18, 2010 8:07:09
Like Serpine's answer. Just make it a couple d% rolls.
#12
GlimmTheGnome
Dec 18, 2010 20:54:53 I'm handling additional origins by making customized charts with 10 origins each that center on a theme.  That way players get a little more control over their character by picking which themed chart to use while still retaining the random element.

glimmthegnome.wordpress.com/2010/11/01/s...
#13
Chandrak
Dec 18, 2010 23:47:19 I too am a bit confused as to why they decided to only put in 8 origins. I do have a suspicion that there might be something special about why they only chose 8, though the most likely being that, like was suggested, there will be some rules for Pure-Strain along with everything else, bringing the total up to 50. Though how w're supposed to roll for that, I dont know.

Its kind of annoying really, since in the Community Origin Compilations we've been doing sets of 20, with each set having a special origin you can choose from if you roll doubles - making for 80 origins plus extras. Up til now, the suggested method has been d6 for table, d20 for origin, rolling both dice for each origin. With Legion of Gold we'll have to come up with something difference. I dunno, maybe we'll just add in enough to make a flat d100 roll or something, though that totally screws with the % chances of Engineered/PSH/Cloned/etc.
#14
FlashbackJon
Dec 18, 2010 23:55:40 Interestingly, you can do d6 and d8, if you monkey with the first two sets a bit.
#15
Oraibi
Dec 19, 2010 5:17:22
I'm handling additional origins by making customized charts with 10 origins each that center on a theme.  That way players get a little more control over their character by picking which themed chart to use while still retaining the random element.

glimmthegnome.wordpress.com/2010/11/01/s...

This is a good idea. I approve!

#16
sirkaikillah
Dec 19, 2010 12:09:45 I think I'm going to pick my 12 favorite origins from those developed by the community and add them to those published by WotC. That should make a total of 60 origins.

roll d6, 1-2 roll on table in GW rule book,

3-4 roll on FIF table,

5-6 roll on custom table with the 8 origins from LoG and 12 from the community origins.

Anyway tha is how I will do it.

#17
PeelSeelTwo
Dec 19, 2010 12:19:37

How are people determining Engineered Human coupled with the Famine in Far-Go origins?

I imagine it would not change. If you roll the same origin, your second one becomes Engineered Human. Of course not having fif-g yet , this is just logical speculation.
#18
PeelSeelTwo
Dec 19, 2010 12:28:34 When log comes out, for origins I would tend to roll d12 with each origin. 1-5 core, 6-10, fif-g, & 11-12 log. With 48 rollable origins, 20 in core, 20 in fif-g, and 8 in log, the d12 gives a good representative roll of all origins.
#19
palmerkun
Dec 19, 2010 23:20:05 My choice is to use cards.

If you want a table...
2% per origin (including EH).
This gets you from 01-98.
Then just have 99-00 = "Player's Choice" or Roll Again
#20
salla
Dec 20, 2010 11:26:53 I was entertaining the thought of having each player make a list of origins that they're interested in. I've looked at the game, and while the random origin thing has some merits, there are some I just couldn't deal with (I'm extremely bug-phobic and there ain't no way I'd be able to play an insectoid character) ... let the player make a list of his favorite 20 (or 12, or whatever) and roll 'em.
#21
quindia
Dec 20, 2010 11:52:40 I have a deck of 40 cards, two for each of the GW origins. I'm planning on adding another 40 cards once I get my hands on FiF tomorrow. Engineered Human still only occurs on the draw of double origins.
#22
FlashbackJon
Dec 20, 2010 12:15:58
I was entertaining the thought of having each player make a list of origins that they're interested in. I've looked at the game, and while the random origin thing has some merits, there are some I just couldn't deal with (I'm extremely bug-phobic and there ain't no way I'd be able to play an insectoid character) ... let the player make a list of his favorite 20 (or 12, or whatever) and roll 'em.

I've become a fan of GlimmtheGnome's suggestion above. Smaller, themed tables. They could just be themed to the type of character a player likes. :D

Random thought, combine that and the origin cards: what if player's made their own origin decks? Following the same rules, at least 7 cards, no more than 2 of each. It's an interesting concept, I think, even if the numbers themselves need tweaking so 1 player doesn't play the same 3 characters every time he dies.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
#1 Serow_Darkstar Dec 17, 2010 19:43:09	With Famine in Far-go out, we're up to 41 total origins. Legion of Gold will have another 8, and then there are several fan-made origins on these boards already! For those of you sticking to the random generation, how are you handling this, or how are you planning on handling it? Personally, I'm currently thinking I'll do it like this, with Far-Go and the base set: Each player will roll twice, evens and odds. Evens means the base set, odds for Far-Go. Then they'll roll the d20's as usual, for their origins. If they roll the same number twice but on different lists, Engineered Human becomes an option - They can chose to either use the origins they rolled, or replace one with Engineered Human. If they're using the same list for both results and get the same number twice, Engineered Human works like normal, becomming their secondary. Functionally, this adds in a (slight) opportunity for Engineered Human to become a character's primary origin.
#2 shidara1 Dec 17, 2010 20:26:29	With Famine in Far-go out, we're up to 41 total origins. Legion of Gold will have another 8, and then there are several fan-made origins on these boards already! For those of you sticking to the random generation, how are you handling this, or how are you planning on handling it? Personally, I'm currently thinking I'll do it like this, with Far-Go and the base set: Each player will roll twice, evens and odds. Evens means the base set, odds for Far-Go. Then they'll roll the d20's as usual, for their origins. If they roll the same number twice but on different lists, Engineered Human becomes an option - They can chose to either use the origins they rolled, or replace one with Engineered Human. If they're using the same list for both results and get the same number twice, Engineered Human works like normal, becomming their secondary. Functionally, this adds in a (slight) opportunity for Engineered Human to become a character's primary origin. I intend to combine all the origins into a single table, sorted alphabetically. I also intend to keep Engineered Human as a rarity, reserved only for a double origin roll. Base Set + Famine in Far-Go = 40 Origins = 2 20-entry charts, d2 + d20 for each origin. Base Set + Famine + Legions = 48 Origins = 4 12-entry charts, d4 + d12 for each origin. Or use a customizable dice app to generate a d40 and a d48. Simple.
#3 ExcalibursZone Dec 17, 2010 21:23:21	I was thinking about just slapping together a javascript page that I send people to during character creation. But there's also: d6 + d20 roll for each. 1-3 (or odds) = core origins, 4-6 (or evens) for FiF. When Legion of Gold comes along, I just change that to 1-2 = core, 3-4 = FiF, and 5-6 = LoG. I am not using fan-made origins other than my kludge for Pure Strain Humans which nobody has taken. I am currently in the redesign of how Pure Strain Humans work and one player has found the new ideas interesting. But this option was a choice rather than random.
#4 Serpine Dec 17, 2010 21:36:36	My current thought is to have a percentile roll: 2 percent chance of each of the "normal" 48 origins and 4 percent of Engineered Human. If a duplicate is rolled the person would get to choose one of their two origins (declaring it primary or secondary as they see fit).
#5 Drakeotic Dec 17, 2010 23:33:20	You could always have the first roll be from the core and the second roll be from the expansion. That is what I might do.
#6 Oraibi Dec 18, 2010 0:10:44	This is one reason that cards for origin selection work better than dice.
#7 amac Dec 18, 2010 0:17:22	Ah, very good point!
#8 robotrock Dec 18, 2010 0:25:18	Maybe I'm missing something here but ignoring LoG for a moment (or a few months actually...), the FiFG book breaks it down exactly what to do on page 7 (d6 to determine table, then d20 to determine origins) But I must say, that it had occured to me to have players roll one origin from each table as well...
#9 Oraibi Dec 18, 2010 1:12:31	For last night's game, I had the players choose one of the following: (a) Roll two origins from the FiFG. (b) Roll one origin from GW and one origin from FiFG. (c) Roll randomly as per page 7 of FiFG for both origins. Everyone chose either (a) or (b).
#10 Serow_Darkstar Dec 18, 2010 4:04:03	The only problem I have with using a d6 to determine which table to roll on, is the upcoming release of Legion of Gold, and that it will have 12 less origins than the other products. I'm wondering WHY they chose to cut down on the number of origins for LoG, and what they're going to suggest for character creation. I'm considering the merits of using a dice roller and just setting up a d50, and adding Engineered Human and either a Pure Strain Human option or a "Player's Choice" option for the 50 slot. How are people determining Engineered Human coupled with the Famine in Far-Go origins?
#11 anticlimax Dec 18, 2010 8:07:09	Like Serpine's answer. Just make it a couple d% rolls.
#12 GlimmTheGnome Dec 18, 2010 20:54:53	I'm handling additional origins by making customized charts with 10 origins each that center on a theme. That way players get a little more control over their character by picking which themed chart to use while still retaining the random element. glimmthegnome.wordpress.com/2010/11/01/s...
#13 Chandrak Dec 18, 2010 23:47:19	I too am a bit confused as to why they decided to only put in 8 origins. I do have a suspicion that there might be something special about why they only chose 8, though the most likely being that, like was suggested, there will be some rules for Pure-Strain along with everything else, bringing the total up to 50. Though how w're supposed to roll for that, I dont know. Its kind of annoying really, since in the Community Origin Compilations we've been doing sets of 20, with each set having a special origin you can choose from if you roll doubles - making for 80 origins plus extras. Up til now, the suggested method has been d6 for table, d20 for origin, rolling both dice for each origin. With Legion of Gold we'll have to come up with something difference. I dunno, maybe we'll just add in enough to make a flat d100 roll or something, though that totally screws with the % chances of Engineered/PSH/Cloned/etc.
#14 FlashbackJon Dec 18, 2010 23:55:40	Interestingly, you can do d6 and d8, if you monkey with the first two sets a bit.
#15 Oraibi Dec 19, 2010 5:17:22	I'm handling additional origins by making customized charts with 10 origins each that center on a theme. That way players get a little more control over their character by picking which themed chart to use while still retaining the random element. glimmthegnome.wordpress.com/2010/11/01/s... This is a good idea. I approve!
#16 sirkaikillah Dec 19, 2010 12:09:45	I think I'm going to pick my 12 favorite origins from those developed by the community and add them to those published by WotC. That should make a total of 60 origins. roll d6, 1-2 roll on table in GW rule book, 3-4 roll on FIF table, 5-6 roll on custom table with the 8 origins from LoG and 12 from the community origins. Anyway tha is how I will do it.
#17 PeelSeelTwo Dec 19, 2010 12:19:37	How are people determining Engineered Human coupled with the Famine in Far-Go origins? I imagine it would not change. If you roll the same origin, your second one becomes Engineered Human. Of course not having fif-g yet , this is just logical speculation.
#18 PeelSeelTwo Dec 19, 2010 12:28:34	When log comes out, for origins I would tend to roll d12 with each origin. 1-5 core, 6-10, fif-g, & 11-12 log. With 48 rollable origins, 20 in core, 20 in fif-g, and 8 in log, the d12 gives a good representative roll of all origins.
#19 palmerkun Dec 19, 2010 23:20:05	My choice is to use cards. If you want a table... 2% per origin (including EH). This gets you from 01-98. Then just have 99-00 = "Player's Choice" or Roll Again
#20 salla Dec 20, 2010 11:26:53	I was entertaining the thought of having each player make a list of origins that they're interested in. I've looked at the game, and while the random origin thing has some merits, there are some I just couldn't deal with (I'm extremely bug-phobic and there ain't no way I'd be able to play an insectoid character) ... let the player make a list of his favorite 20 (or 12, or whatever) and roll 'em.
#21 quindia Dec 20, 2010 11:52:40	I have a deck of 40 cards, two for each of the GW origins. I'm planning on adding another 40 cards once I get my hands on FiF tomorrow. Engineered Human still only occurs on the draw of double origins.
#22 FlashbackJon Dec 20, 2010 12:15:58	I was entertaining the thought of having each player make a list of origins that they're interested in. I've looked at the game, and while the random origin thing has some merits, there are some I just couldn't deal with (I'm extremely bug-phobic and there ain't no way I'd be able to play an insectoid character) ... let the player make a list of his favorite 20 (or 12, or whatever) and roll 'em. I've become a fan of GlimmtheGnome's suggestion above. Smaller, themed tables. They could just be themed to the type of character a player likes. :D Random thought, combine that and the origin cards: what if player's made their own origin decks? Following the same rules, at least 7 cards, no more than 2 of each. It's an interesting concept, I think, even if the numbers themselves need tweaking so 1 player doesn't play the same 3 characters every time he dies.