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| #1OgrekinOct 15, 2010 23:29:50 | Ok, I am confused by "Human, Engineered". It says you only get to be one as a 2nd Origin, if you roll the same origin twice. Ok, I understand that, but how do you make a character like a Swarm of Rats/Human, Engineered? Or a Cockroach/Human, Engineered, Or a Yeti/Human, Engineered? It makes no sense. |
| #2OraibiOct 15, 2010 23:42:28 | Read the next page in the book, they discuss all this there. |
| #3afossddiOct 15, 2010 23:46:45 | I'm not really sure how it could be more clear, when the Gamma World rulebook spells it out so directly: "If your second roll is the same as the first, then your second origin is Engineered Human (page 56)" Are you asking how you would make Engineered Human your primary origin? From the rule as written in the Gamma World rulebook currently, the only way to do that would be to pick your origins rather than rolling (or to roll your origins randomly, but choose which is primary and which is secondary afterward). |
| #4doctorcomicsOct 16, 2010 0:12:18 | His question is, "If I am an Engineered Human like Khan Singh or something, how can I -also- be a damn Yeti? Or a swarm of rats! That makes no sense." He knows how to do it mechanically. It's the concept that is wonky. Follow Oraibi's advice. There's some suggestions on how to incorporate both origins on the next page. Maybe you use some technology to do the things your other origin gives you. Or maybe it's a psychic power or something that you learned, rather than a mutation. |
| #5OraibiOct 16, 2010 0:40:12 | Here's an example. Let's say I roll Yeti + Engineered Human. I am someone who looks fully human, but yet has the powers and abilities of a Yeti, whatever those are. So I look at it more closely and I see that Yetis are strong, powered by their biology, are good at nature, are hard to hurt, and they resist cold. They also have an encounter power which is a minor action, letting them do a melee attack with "claws" or something similar. Okay, I can work with that. Instead of being a big furry guy, I'm a normal-looking person whose genes were deliberately spliced with polar bear DNA. I'm sort of like the Spider-Man of polar bears -- just like he didn't change into a giant bug, I didn't change into a sasquatch, I just got polar bear powers. So I'm "super-strong", really tough, and I am comfortable in really cold weather. My melee "weapons" are actually going to be retractable claws, a la Wolverine from the X-Men, which I'll use as a two-handed heavy weapon. A cockroach/engineered human is pretty much Spider-Man or something close to him. Talk to your GM and ask if you can switch out the damage type from acid to poison or electricity or something. (The latter is similar to the Wasp's bio-blasts.) |
| #6trojanratOct 16, 2010 14:17:08 | Rat Swarm / Engineered Human The book suggests having a collection of small robots or animals following your human around that are able to be commanded to get the effects of the Rat swarm ability. If it were me: Nanite infection. 1) It was part of the procedure that engineered me. I have a small control chip implanted in my brain which allows me to control the nanites. By speaking specific code words I've learned, or as a response to specific electrical impulses the chip in my head picks up, the nanites respond to my commands. or 2) The nanites were randomly encountered shortly after my first steps into the wilds of Gamma Terra. A colony of wild nanites decided to make me their home. I don't have much control over them, but they seem to react in ways to insure my continued survival (for now). Regardless of how my character picked them up, the benefits they provide are many. When I attempt to go unnoticed, the nanites adjust the color of my skin and equipment (Stealth skill bonus). When they notice an attack coming, they swarm to where they think the blow will land on my body (Swarm damage resist). When I attempt to punch an enemy, a small group jump to my target and provide a destraction (novice level power). The only drawback, is that every once in a while, they randomly collect themselves into unusual forms. I don't know why they decided I needed tentacles for a day (programing glitch I guess), but I was certainly glad when they were done (Bio Alpha Mutations [because what engineered human is going to spontaniously grow wings for a day?]) |
| #7Tony_VargasOct 16, 2010 15:09:22 | Even though Engineered Humans are always a secondary origin, the 'What is Human' sidebar implies that it's 'dominant' in the sense of the EH generally at least /looking/ or even /being/ human. |
| #8FlashbackJonOct 16, 2010 15:16:32 | This is my absolute favorite part of this game. "It makes no sense" is a symptom of a lack of effort. Yeti/Human and Cockroach/Human should be reeeeeally obvious. Rat swarm is a little more challenging, but consider all the following options:
I LOVE the rat swarm origin. |
| #9trojanratOct 16, 2010 15:36:36 |
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| #10OgrekinOct 17, 2010 0:57:53 | I will have to think about this more. You all bring up very valid points about how to look at it. I was going to just disallow them, but I think it is actually not a bad idea now. |
| #11FlashbackJonOct 17, 2010 1:46:37 | I was going to just disallow them Definitely do not go this route. Moreso than any other hobby, this is a game about collective creativity. Gamma World of all places is a setting in which you can literally make anything work. ![]() |
| #12palmerkunOct 17, 2010 2:06:26 | I will have to think about this more. You all bring up very valid points about how to look at it. I was going to just disallow them, but I think it is actually not a bad idea now. If you have to think about anything, think about this. They made and playtested the game, right? If Engineered Human was not actually compatible with anything, why did they include it in the game? It takes some creativity, but every origin is compatible with every other origin, and there are at least 5 different ways to explain/present each combination. |
| #13ChandrakOct 17, 2010 8:40:11 |
ROFL. |
| #14ExcalibursZoneOct 18, 2010 0:40:00 | When I thought of Rat Swarm/Engineered Human, my first impression was Stargate/Stargate Atlantis with replicators. You're a being where your cells are nanites, you may assume different forms, fit through small cracks, etc. You can turn other substances into replacement nanites (eating or if you get an Alpha Mutation that disintigrates things or heals you). Look at Swarm, a Spider-man villain. He's a dude that's made of bees. Though, he doesn't look human...heh Later on, there was a villain that was made of spiders. She looked human, but the spiders were what made her a swarm. |
| #15doctorcomicsOct 18, 2010 0:45:53 | OK, you get a No-Prize for mentioning one of the most infamously awful villains ever. "Swarm" for the win. |
| #16videopeteOct 18, 2010 1:08:14 | your asking a world where reality is subjective and linear time and space sometimes takes a holiday. your lucky not to be your own uncle on tuesdays. |
| #17OgrekinOct 18, 2010 8:06:29 |
Dude, I about fell out of my chair. Awesome line! |
| #18ExcalibursZoneOct 18, 2010 9:34:41 | OK, you get a No-Prize for mentioning one of the most infamously awful villains ever. Yep, had to be done Swarm is the perfect case of lame character rolling...heh
Or, as Philip J. Fry happened to do: Become your own grandpa...Though, there was time travel in that, but who's to say that time travel isn't impossible in Gamma World? Especially with the shattered realities version we have now ![]() |
| #19badu777Oct 18, 2010 10:03:13 | Something for everyone to think about is that just because it says rat swarm doesn't mean it has to be rats as long as the explanation doesn't change the powers or ability's in any way your fine, like: Muskrat swarm, Kitten swarm, Chihuahua swarm, or animated toy swarm. So an engineered human/rat swarm can be many things such as someone who can turn into many midgets or simply many midgets with one consciousness. |
| #20FlashbackJonOct 18, 2010 10:38:10 | your asking a world where reality is subjective and linear time and space sometimes takes a holiday. your lucky not to be your own uncle on tuesdays. "I know where I came from—but where did all you zombies come from?" |
| #21ah_anarchyOct 18, 2010 19:24:59 | "I know where I came from—but where did all you zombies come from?" Nice reference. Not my favorite RAH, but a pretty interesting story. |