Level 1
Fire Beetle
Cavern Choker
Spiretop Drake
Stirge
Level 2
Needlefang Drake Swarm
Kruthik Hatchling (minion)
Kruthik Young
Zombie (reflavored as victims of a contagious disease, not true undead)
Level 3
Doppleganger Sneak
Spitting Drake
Iron Defender (reflavored as a guardian robot dog)
Ochre Jelly (elite)
Zombie Rotter (reflavored as victims of a contagious disease, not true undead)
Level 4
Kruthik Adult
Warforged Soldier (reflavored as android)
Level 5
Fire Bat (could change the damage type to radiation for a Rad Bat)
Tangler Beetle
Rage Drake (these make nice mounts)
Gelatinous Cube (elite)
Vine Horror
Level 6
Harpy
Iron Cobra (reflavored as a guardian robot snake)
Kruthik Hive Lord (elite)
Warforged Captain (reflavored as android)
Level 7
Macetail Behemoth (yay dinosaur!)
Carrion Crawler
Grell
Grick
Hell Hound (change fire to radiation and you've got a Rad Hound)
Cacklefiend Hyena
Otyugh
Dire Stirge
Vine Horror Spellfiend
Level 8
Doppleganger Assassin
Foulspawn Grue
Foulspawn Mangler
Level 9
Bloodspike Behemoth (yay dinosaur!)
Bulette (elite; basically a bigger sep)
Destrachan
Displacer Beast (as seen on page 33!)
Foulspawn Berserker
Gargoyle
Grick Alpha (elite)
Shambling Mound
Flame Snake
Troll (reflavored as some unstoppable mutant thing)
Level 10
Berbalang (solo)
Chuul
Feymire Crocodile (elite)
Gibbering Mouther
Level 11
Foulspawn Seer
Grell Philosopher (elite)
Level 12
Foulspawn Hulk
Umber Hulk (elite)
Level 13
Beholder Eye of Flame (elite)
Level 14
Mind Flayer Infiltrator
I'll skip a book and flip through the MM3.
Level 1
Xivort Darter/Net Caster/Slasher (they even SOUND like GW critters!)
Level 2
Cave Fisher Spawn (minion)
Ambush Spider
Murklord Frog
Sporeback Frog
Wilden Destroyer/Hunter (Gren, anyone?)
Xivort Shadow Caller
Level 3
Cave Fisher Angler/Spiker
Craud Impaler
Skulk Mesmerist (complete with mind powers) / Murderer
Yeti Hunter (obviously)
Level 4
Cave Fisher Line Spiker (minion)
Spiderling (minion)
Craud Crusher
Great Ape (simian origin!)
Rot Grub Swarm
Wilden Ancient (see above)
Yeti Howler (ditto)
Level 5
Craud King
Gnoll (Ark?) Skulker
Gremlin Deceiver
Silverback Ape
Skulk Hunter
Yeti Rampager
Level 6
Ape Temple Guardian
Bone Crown Behemoth
Shardmind Warseeker (Seismic?)
Thri-kreen Ambusher (Cockroaches!)
Gnoll (Ark?) Warfang
Level 7
Foulspawn Wretch (minion)
Gremlin Skulker
Ironstone Gargoyle (the preview did mention gargoyles as a seismic hawkoid...)
Skinwing Behemoth
Thri-kreen Scout
Ustilagor (psychic brain devourers? yes, please)
Level 8
Obsidian Gargoyle (minion)
Hornstone Gargoyle
Object Mimic (malevolent grey goo!)
Ogre Cave Hunter (Giant?)
Rot Grub Zombie (one of few undead I see as appropriate)
Runic Gargoyle
Shardmind Dominator
Thri-kreen Desert-Talker
Spirehorn Behemoth
Level 9
Howler Dread Hound (minion)
Meenlock Stalker
Nagpa (Carrin?) Corruptor
Ogre Ironclad
Level 10
Sea Kraken (solo) (Great Lakes campaigns, I'm looking in your direction...)
Awakened Rot Grub Swarm
Foulspawn Mockery
Shardmind Executioner
Su Sentinel (these could NOT BE more Gamma Terran)
Level 11
Su Ambusher (minion)
Hill Giant Smasher
Meenlock Corruptor
Level 12
Oblivion Moss Mindmaster (elite) (What? Psionic sentient plants? You don't say...)
Mossling Creeper (minion)
Mossling Grower (minion)
Mossling Guardian (minion)
Mossling Hurler (minion)
Mossling Vinecaller (minion)
Cloaker Ambusher
Foulspawn Warpcaller
Girallon Marauder (simians!)
Hill Giant Rockthrower
Su Alpha
Level 13
Howler Doom Mastiff
Level 14
Intellect Predator
Level 1
Baazrag Whelp (minion)
Baazrag Gnawer
Id Fiend (solo)
Jhakar Tracker
Kestrekel (minion)
Level 2
Kank Spitter
Kestrekel Blood Flock
Level 3
Baazrag Swarm
Crodlu
Jhakar Trapjaw
Silk Wyrm Hatchling (minion)
Silk Wyrm Adult (solo)
Level 4
Inix Juvenile
Kank Soldier
Crystal Spider
Level 5
Anakore Hunter
Baazrag Breeder
Cilops Creeper
War Crodlu
Level 6
Aarakocra Diver
Aarakocra Warrior (minion)
Tembo (solo)
Thri-Kreen Bounder (minion)
Level 7
Anakore Render
Cilops Stalker
Level 8
Aarakocra Windcaller
Gaj Mindhunter (elite)
Inix Adult
Thri-Kreen Mauler
Level 9
Anakore Dune King
Braxat Juvenile
Chathrang
Level 10
Brohg Hurler
Brohg Warrior (elite)
Mekillot
Thri-Kreen Mantis Warrior (elite)
Level 11
Zombie Cactus (elite)
Zombie Cactus Thrall (minion)
Level 12
Hunter Cactus
Level 13
Gaj Pain Tyrant (elite)
Kirre
Level 14
Braxat Raider (elite)
Silk Wyrm Elder
I started with the Great Ape (Skirmisher 4) and Silverback (Brute 5 Leader). I tinkered with the stat blocks to turn the Great Ape into a Soldier and I gave them both guns, but most of their numbers were great.
Then I wanted to give them non-animal domesticated pets, so I used Fire Beetles, Giant Centipedes and Giant Ants (the last for Mounts).
I want to add Girallons, but those are level 11 minimum. And while level 9-10 players could take a level 11 monster, I want to introduce Girallons much earlier than that. So I think I will just start with a level 11 Girallon and then "ratchet it down" a few levels to 8 or so.
Now, when you started using creatures from the Monster Manuals [aside from adding level to damage and attack roll] are there any other conversions you needed to make or are they good to go?
That is a good question AND should have its OWN thread. IMHO
Now, when you started using creatures from the Monster Manuals [aside from adding level to damage and attack roll] are there any other conversions you needed to make or are they good to go?
Don't add the monster's level to attack and damage rolls. Monsters in GW are made the same way monsters are made in the rest of 4E.
If you are using monsters from before MM3, you may want to raise their damage output and possibly adjust their attack numbers, defenses, and hit points based on the latest 4E errata, but this has nothing to do with GW.
exactly. 4E monsters should already have their levels added in their stats (same as GW characters, to account for lack of feats). when you bring over monsters from MM3, Essentials or the Compendium bring them over RAW (with flavor). If you bring over monsters pre-MM3, adjust their damage output to be in line with 4E errata.
I know you and Dr. Comics have mentioned the 4E errata fix to monster damage, but I can't find it buried in the Errata Document, can I get directions to it or the errata itself here?
Thanks.
There's the consolidated rule changes
Or you can just get the DM's Guide errata.
Both have the new rules for making monsters, including some adjustments to the attack bonuses and ACs for certain roles of monsters, and new damage tables for all monsters.
No Insider access is required. Go to the D&D home page, on the right hand side is "Rules Updates."
There's the consolidated rule changes
Or you can just get the DM's Guide errata.
Both have the new rules for making monsters, including some adjustments to the attack bonuses and ACs for certain roles of monsters, and new damage tables for all monsters.
Thanks Dr. Comics, so last page of the DMG erratta link and its corresponding value in the consolidated (though I did notice a formatting problem in the DMG Errata that was not in the Consolidated, look at the init modifiers row for the monsters).
Anyway, thanks for the help and links.
And happy to help.
Level 1
Dire Rat, Animal (brute)
Goblin Beast Rider (skirmisher) -- a.k.a. dabber
Goblin Cutthroat (skirmisher) -- a.k.a. dabber
Goblin Sniper (minion artillery) -- a.k.a. dabber
Grasping Zombie (brute)
Horse, Animal (brute)
Scurrying Rat Swarm, Animal (skirmisher)
Stirge (lurker)
Level 2
Common Bandit, Human (skirmisher)
Dragonborn Mercenary (skirmisher)
Guard Drake (brute)
Human Goon (minion soldier)
Wolf, Animal (skirmisher)
Level 3
Crocodile, Animal (soldier)
Doppleganger Sneak (skirmisher)
Goblin Hex Hurler (controller leader) -- a.k.a. dabber
Greenscale Raider, Lizardfolk (soldier)
Greenscale Trapper, Lizardfolk (controller)
Hobgoblin Battle Guard (soldier) -- a.k.a. badder
Hobgoblin Beast Master (controller leader) -- a.k.a. badder
Hobgoblin Spear Soldier (skirmisher)
Ochre Jelly, Ooze (elite brute)
Poisonscale Brawler, Lizardfolk (brute)
Poisonscale Needler, Lizardfolk (minion artillery)
Spider Swarm, Animal (soldier)
Spitting Drake (artillery)
Town Guard, Human (soldier)
Level 4
Bloodseeker Drake (soldier)
Bugbear Thug (brute)
Deathjump Spider, Animal (skirmisher)
Flesh-Crazed Zombie (skirmisher)
Greenscale Hunter, Lizardfolk (skirmisher)
Green Slime, Ooze (lurker)
Hobgoblin Warmonger (artillery leader)
Hulking Zombie (brute)
Level 5
Bear, Animal (brute)
Beholder Gauth (elite artillery)
Bugbear Backstabber (skirmisher)
Carrion Crawler Scuttler (skirmisher)
Deathpledged Gnoll (brute)
Deathrattle Viper, Animal (brute)
Dire Wolf, Animal (skirmisher)
Dragonborn Soldier (soldier)
Dryad Recluse (lurker)
Gargoyle Rake (lurker)
Gelatinous Cube, Ooze (elite brute)
Ghoul (soldier)
Gnoll Huntmaster (artillery)
Hobgoblin Commander (soldier leader) -- a.k.a. badder
Rage Drake (brute)
Ravenous Ghoul (brute)
Shark, Animal (brute)
Spitting Cobra, Animal (minion soldier)
Stirge Suckerling (minion lurker)
Zombie Shambler (minion brute)
Level 6
Ambush Drake (skirmisher)
Blackscale Crusher, Lizardfolk (brute)
Gnoll Blood Caller (soldier)
Greenscale Bog Mystic, Lizardfolk (controller leader)
Ogre (brute)
Rust Monster (skirmisher)
Troglodyte Grunt (minion skirmisher)
Troglodyte Mauler (soldier)
Level 7
Carrion Crawler (soldier)
Demon-Eye Gnoll (lurker)
Dire Stirge (lurker)
Doomspinner Spider, Animal (controller)
Dryad Hunter (skirmisher)
Fang of Yeenoghu, Gnoll (skirmisher leader)
Gnoll Gorger (brute)
Human Thug (minion skirmisher)
Ogre Hunter (skirmisher)
Otyugh (soldier)
Troglodyte Impaler (artillery)
Troglodyte Thrasher (brute)
Young Bulette (lurker) -- a.ka. Sep
Level 8
Black Pudding, Ooze (elite brute)
Black Pudding Spawn, Ooze (minion brute)
Dryad Witch (controller)
Ettin Thug (brute) -- a.k.a. Orlen
Ettin Wrath Chanter (elite controller leader) -- a.k.a. Orlen
Gluttinous Rust Monster (brute)
Gnoll Far Fang (artillery)
Gnoll Pack Lord (controller leader)
Human Duelist (soldier)
Minotaur Soldier (soldier)
Ogre Mercenary (soldier)
Owlbear (elite brute)
War Hyena, Animal (minion soldier)
Young Owlbear (brute)
Level 9
Beholder (solo artillery)
Bulette (elite skirmisher) -- a.k.a. Sep
Crushgrip Constrictor, Animal (soldier)
Displacer Beast (skirmisher)
Gargoyle (lurker)
Gnoll Demon Spawn (brute)
Minotaur Charger (skirmisher)
Minotaur Magus (controller leader)
Trained Owlbear (soldier)
Young Rust Monster Swarm (soldier)
Level 10
Bog Hag (skirmisher)
Bramblewood Treant (soldier)
Charnel Otyugh (elite soldier)
Ettin Hunter (artillery) -- a.k.a. Orlen
Ettin Marauder (elite soldier) -- a.k.a. Orlen
Hydra (solo brute)
Impaling Roper (lurker)
Manticore Striker (skirmisher)
Mesmeric-Eye Basilisk (soldier)
Ogre Juggernaut (brute)
Stirge Suckerling Swarm (brute)
Venom-Eye Basilisk (artillery)
Level 11
Demonic Savage Minotaur (brute)
Doppleganger Infiltrator (lurker)
Gargoyle Rock Hurler (artillery)
Manticore Impaler (brute)
Neo-Otyugh (elite controller)
Savage Displacer Beast (brute)
Wilt-Eye Basilisk (controller)
Wind-Claw Owlbear (elite controller)
Level 12
Basilisk (controller)
Cave Roper (elite controller)
Flesh Golem (elite brute)
Green Hag (controller)
Githyanki Warrior (soldier)
Snake Swarm (brute)
Umber Hulk (elite soldier)
Level 13
Abyssal Basilisk (artillery)
Displacer Beast Pack Lord (elite skirmisher)
Hill Giant (brute)
Hill Giant Earth Shaman (controller leader)
Hill Giant Hunter (artillery)
Githyanki Legionary (minion soldier)
Githyanki Mindslicer (artillery)
Githyanki Raider (skirmisher)
Manticore Sky Hunter (soldier leader)
Manticore Spike Hurler (artillery)
Level 14
Arena-Trained Ogre (brute)
Drider (soldier)
Drider Shadowspinner (skirmisher)
Drider Fanglord (brute)
As usual, make appropriate substitutions for origins, keywords, damage types, etc.
One other thing to consider when looking for monsters to port over - a lot more options open up if you de-level more powerful monsters with the monster builder. If you ever decide to have a final battle for a GW campaign, you might be able to use something hefty like a de-leveled dragon or de-leveled tarrasque as a final boss.
I wasn't even thinking about the monster builder...going to have to get that DDI subscription to do it easily...heh Good suggestion! I just looked for monsters that fit the bill. For instance, in my campaign, I'm using ideas from the RIFTS setting. My Splugorth minions are Neogi. They are the best, closest analog to that part of the setting that D&D has without me having to do crazy conversions from Palladium's stuff.
going to have to get that DDI subscription to do it easily...
Better do it and download it soon, with them switching the character builder to web only on the 16th there is no telling what will happen to the monster builder long term.
Fell Taints are now 'Hellyfish' and are an extradimensional threat.
Cavern Chokers are Gray Alien assassin clones called Black Stranglers.
And Hive Warriors & such are now Secticans.
Didn't have to muck with the stats much either.
I used the Black Stranglers with an Ambush Spider and the PCs waxed them pretty quick.