In case my last post on the previous thread gets missed:
Consider Basil Arawn added to the Census (I will get to that later) and Burleg Kharn authorized for posting in the current sewer adventure.
But now I only got the 3rd post.
And welcoem to the game Basil. :D
If each intrument had its own oscilliscope (that is the right name for it, right?), it should be possible to have an independant light show laser (larger than usual with an iris to control the amount of light displayed). Each laser would have to have a different color. Then the lasers can literally paint the music on the ceiling and/or wall.
By the way, for those here with MySpace accounts, i put up a few YLF photos. http://www.myspace.com/jonathanucd
-Jonathan
Why don't you just start dual-wielding gnomes?
Dual-wield two dwarves who dual-wield two gnomes each who dual-wield two hand-crossbows each?
Hmm I like it 
:evillaughAnd welcoem to the game Basil. :D
Thanks. :D
If a third does that it'll be unaminous.
Then it is unaminous. I volunteer Tensek's Hard Drive.
That knocks one item off my honey-do list...
I guess I'm my own honey...I think..
oh well.
The jabberwocky is waaaaaayyyyy off his next level.
If any dm wants added help in archiving threads before the prune I volunteer my harddrive.
Accepted with thanks. I just wish the announcement was a bit more specific. Thanks, though, Ran, for sending a PM voicing that concern on -- not sure why I didn't receive one, though.
It's too hot today.
Just popin' in to say hi and all, still just lurkin around ;)
Congrats to the belgian pigs!
But I get to see my youngest niece finally! :D
Thanks, though, Ran, for sending a PM voicing that concern on -- not sure why I didn't receive one, though.
Sorry, ST, I don't quite follow... I sent Shadow a PM in reaction to the announcement, and since I thought it was only right to keep the DMs in the loop I sent it to the three of you as well (and with kneyejailb's PM box being full, I sent it to him via his character account). Are you saying you didn't get it?Enjoy your trip, say hello to your niece from the bunch of us. :D
Calling from London town. :D No net connection as I thought, so I'm posting from the airport.
Trying to get home today, hope to see you all soon. *crosses fingers*
Cheers,
Chris.
ps. will send more info later
Watch out Aramil, so that you don't get addicted to that feeling. ;)
Congratulations, Burleg :D Babies are wonderful!
So are puppies, though with my life I thought it better to adopt a kitten (Humboldt,) who is currently residing in the garage until the sniffle is gone. (So as not to infect Sarah, my son's cat.)
But in the meantime, I'll take advantage of this internet cafe and post.
My flight was cancelled due to the plane crash at Pearson Airport in Toronto, so I'm not actually back yet.
I'm grateful both for being unable to book a flight for Tuesday like I originally planned and for the fact that there were no fatalities yesterday.
I forgot how much time vacations consume. Also, this isn't a very fast, so I'm probably not going to get time to check on things again until Saturday. Sorry, all.
But I got to see my niece. :D I also got to play In the Groove 2, but you don't want to hear about that. :P See you soon.
Well, he hasn't wasted points to Cha like you two. :P
Well I thought Oskar could have used some seeing as how we needs at least a little bit to turn undead :P
As for Aramil, I don't know what I was thinking when I picked out his stats....
As for Aramil, I don't know what I was thinking when I picked out his stats....
You probably thought of a personality rather than a build for your character, and that's more commendable than the other way around. ;)
Ummm...
:P
Chris yet again posting from a foreign land. This time Tokyo! My family is flying standby and all the flights to Canada from London were full till around Sunday. We thought we'd be clever and fly through Tokyo to Vancouver.
Well, not so clever.
There are two flights out of Tokyo a day and one of them was to Toronto. The flight to Torono was canceled and so they loaded up all the seats to Vancouver with Toronto passengers. Should be cleared up 'around the seventh.'
So we're catching a bullet train to Osaka this morning and attempting to catch some seats out of there.
Wish me luck,
Chris.
And Lucian, I'm glad that your sight seeing and all, but I think going to Vancouver from Tokyo is just a tad bit insane if you'd ask me....
I have to share this. Apparently Vin Diesel is cooler than I thought. Linky
Yes, Tensek, you are indeed like those remarks. Do you now resent yourself? :P
However, I noticed he did write, I know he acctually is literate, the forward in a DnD novel. I think it is the History of the game. I cannot remember exactly, but to that I give him props.. Just not his acting.
And on a side note. I think Burleg has as much if not more personality than any other character in the game, despite actually having the lowest stat, or at least tied for the lowest. It's just not a particularly nice one, so people, including RL people tend to get thrown a little by this.
Its just at the moment Boirin is a little edgy so hes going to snap at people. :P
Aagh! The mullets! :P
You wound me, sir. :P
Yes, Tensek, you are indeed like those remarks. Do you now resent yourself? :P
Nope but i'm sure you do. Being named for a fish and all. :P
I have to share this. Apparently Vin Diesel is cooler than I thought. Linky
Vin Diesel is currently more than 80 cents a liter here in Calgary but I hear you get great mileage.
Anywho, I'll be in NY from Friday until Monday for a family reunion, so I won't be able to do anything with my characters until then. Wait, I forgot, they need to be rescued first :embarrass :P ;) :D
Until then, good luck to all the adventures, and I'll post again when I get back. :D
-Aramil
It's been a long day (week?), but I'm back home. We had about one in three members of our graduating class attend the reunion. Startling to see who and what was the same and who and what was different (and how). A lot of "You just never can tell," and thankfully, a lot of that was a good thing.
Anyway, I'm heading to bed now. Hopefully, I'll be back in swing tomorrow, though I've got a lot of reading to do first.
"I'm as confused as you are."
Making with the animating.
This dwarf gives you two thumbs up!
And I am back from my little vacation, it wasn't bad, and I got to see a lot of my relatives that I didn't know. So that was a plus. ;)
For all any of us know, Burleg is just... bait.
He's a dwarf, isn't he? Was there ever any doubt? :P
Dwarves are just the nice bite-size snacks for dragons. They even come in their own, good containers. :P
Dwarves are just the nice bite-size snacks for dragons. They even come in their own, good containers. :P
I resent that :P
Just a thought, isn't Gamis moving at same speed as Burleg? 20 ft per round due to armor and load.
Gamis is walking on top of the water. Burleg's having to slog through it.
Erm... Nat... it's usually a good thing when someone else wants to adventure along with you...
Usually, perhaps. IC, however, Nat isn't sure he'll be an asset rather than a liability, since he's not equipped for the fight and doesn't seem to have much to offer. She doesn't want him to come along if he's going to be nothing but another person she'll try to protect. (She also has other reasons for being upset, and is likely to overreact just now.)
OoC, OTOH... let's all remember that when I'm posting IC it's the character talking, not the player. OoC, "Burleg" knows perfectly well what I think of his roleplaying, and it has never yet matched Natala's opinion of any of his characters. ;)
(And I probably wouldn't have brought this up IC if doing so would have held up the adventure; but since we needed to wait for ST in any case, I saw no harm.)
although everything you have just said in the adventure thread, are really scarring the dwarf outa me....
Not real sure what you mean by this one, Dunskar. Care to explain?
And I'm reading, though the jet lag is hitting me harder than I anticipated. I thought it was supposed to get you going east, not west.
For all any of us know, Burleg is just... bait.
Even better reason to bring him along, that way you won't have to feed your friendly native guide to the lich. :P
I have to ask the folks in the "Search for the Lost Point" thread to refrain from posting once 15 minutes have passed from the time this message goes up. You've exceeded the 1000 post limit, so I have to create a new thread for you and lock the old one.
And I'm reading, though the jet lag is hitting me harder than I anticipated. I thought it was supposed to get you going east, not west.
Thank you for the reminder! :embarrass
Ah... well for the last part, I noticed how overreacting you were when you talked to Burleg, and I thought for some reason it was because he was a dwarf, and so far, the dwarves are fairing to well down in the sewers. ;)
Gerug and Wollondong did okay.
Gerug and Wollondong did okay.
Well that means that only 2 out of the 4 dwarves actually did survive an encounter in the sewers. Which only means that Burleg has a 50% chance of surviving based on the past encounters with sewers of Garics....
Oh well, I'll be around for most part of the day, though I think I might stop out and pick up a new DS game for myself. :D
Being Burleg is more fun than it looks.. even if he just gets a rise out of characters.. When the player gets fussy, it's even better.
Indeed, what party is complete without a fussy dwarf?¿?
:D
:P
That you're carrying an extra trail ration wherever you go. And you'll most probably elicit a forceful "Eeeeww!" from any small kid that sees you. :P
I've just been going over the stat sheets at the beginnning of the Sewer Adventure, and I've found something thats pretty amusing, it appears Burleg has 16 Charisma. That has to be the coolest typo ever. :P
It would appear that Burleg got Gamis' stats :D
of course, he's a 5th lvl ranger and 1st lvl fighter, not the other way around..
Poor ST needs some rest
I've just been going over the stat sheets at the beginnning of the Sewer Adventure, and I've found something thats pretty amusing, it appears Burleg has 16 Charisma. That has to be the coolest typo ever. :P
While in the sewer, all you can see of Burleg is his helmet. It's a very shiny helmet. ;)
-----| |------
.....N G b....
....T B M Ns....
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Gamis on point as he said, supported closely by Nat and Burleg. Spell casters in the back and flanks. Boirin, the little 'b', opening the door, able to heed advice, or get out of danger. Everyone is able to get out of the way, if something happens to Gamis, Burleg, the strongest, can pull him away the easiest and plug the door... Everyone is within reach of each other...
Of course the cloud could do some damage, but we don't know that...
thoughts? Personally I would like to not spend to much time on this if possible, given our delays thus far.
I can't wait, it sounds like it will be a blast. :DOoC
This is so much better than using size/color tags for OoC text. No matter how much text I include, it doesn't clutter up the post itself. I've got to remember this trick. :D
I didn't know you could change the 'name' of an sblock like that. Good tip, thanks ST.
Not sure if I'll be able to check the boards for long, though. There's something wrong with the server here today.
But I'll try to at least look in on that sewer adventure group. Any chance of getting the team together some weekday evening on AIM? I'd ask about weekends, but I'm afraid I'm still working evenings on weekends. (That might change next month, but it's a change I've been trying to get for years, so I'm not holding my breath.)Well I've finished my summer writing in the nick of time. School starts tomarrow and I just finished my last essay for AP English Composition.
Wish me luck.
Nanashi wishes Boirin luck! He also thanks for Leo and Neb for leaving him targets! Oh ho ho!
This one is for Darkar:
http://artpad.art.com/?il91lcrvj5s
(might want to switch the speed to fast)
I didn't get a copy of the PM about the prune, I'd appreciate a forward, thank you, Ran
*gives a hollow, slightly-tinkling laugh*
And I'm still three weeks off from Tech Week... No night looks good this week. The weekend evenings are a possibility, but it's still too early to tell.
I've had a reply from Shadow to my PM about the prune. If the DMs haven't received it, just let me know and I'll forward it.
Thank you. I think you'd best send it to all of us, Ran, because I didn't get it and I'm not sure they have kneyejailb listed as a GM yet.
:removes water bottle from keyboard and gives it back to the toddler who threw it there:
So, it looks like there's no evening available for even most of us this week. What about next week? I could manage Monday next week, Tuesday after ~930 CDT, Wednesday after ~10 CDT, Thursday after Ishie's bedtime (normally 9 CDT, but he's sick so that can vary), or Friday.
:coughs again:
Just curious, but why do we need it? One a day, or something close to that seems to work fine. The sooner this is resolved the better, but I expected a slow roll, not this slow, but RL gets in the way more oft than not.
I think you'd best send it to all of us, Ran, because I didn't get it and I'm not sure they have kneyejailb listed as a GM yet.
Should be done.
So whenever, if you give me time in advance I'll try to be there. :D
That goes for everyone, not just those on an adventure. Please don't feel you can't post just because someone else is waiting for a specific response. It's easier to make progress if there is more going on than what one character is doing, as long as everyone isn't pulling in opposite directions. Even a bit of that isn't too bad, so long as it helps keep moving and keeps things colorful without overtaxing your poor DM. :P
It's a pretty cool day outside. I'd be tempted to stay and run things here, but since my alternative is to go dancing with several charming young women... I'm sorry, but is there really any contest here? ;)
Found a cool site for sharing drawing process.
This one is for Darkar:
http://artpad.art.com/?il91lcrvj5s
(might want to switch the speed to fast)
Wow that is cool, it is nice to watch an artist at work like that. :D
That's really bad to hear, I feel for you Darkar.
Sundays, Tuesdays, and Thursdays are my days off. Thursdays, I have a late bowling league I have to leave for at 8pm and can pop-in for a little at around midnight (mountain standard). Lately, I have only checked in briefly a few times due to matters of my own. I will make myself availible for this, and look forward to it's comming weather sooner or later.
Take your time. I know that's a horrid thing to go through.I don't know if most of you still remember me, but those for whom this message is meant surely do.
I apologize for doing what I did without any warning whatsoever and disappearing without trail like that. What I did was wrong and I'm a jerk for having done it. ST and the other DMs have accepted my return to the game, which, I promise, will be a lot more stable than the last one. Aside from the next 2 or 3 weekends in which I'll be going camping, I'll be active with no problems, if all goes well.
Again, I apologize for my actions and ask those that feel like they have been wronged to forgive and not to judge my further staying in the City based on my actions in the past.
Thank you.
Tyros
P.S: And I'm sorry for your loss, Darkar.
Sorry to hear of the loss Darkar, it must be really hard losing a friend that was close to you. My sincerest condolences go out to you.
-Aramil
woot
Maybe if I was feeling more ambitious, I'd've made a new sprite in the series to replace the plumber there, but I spent too much time digging this morning.
Not sure, but I think you have to pass through it to see the other side..
Boirin did. Hes just that weak minded, woot.
Hello.
I don't know if most of you still remember me, but those for whom this message is meant surely do.
I apologize for doing what I did without any warning whatsoever and disappearing without trail like that. What I did was wrong and I'm a jerk for having done it. ST and the other DMs have accepted my return to the game, which, I promise, will be a lot more stable than the last one. Aside from the next 2 or 3 weekends in which I'll be going camping, I'll be active with no problems, if all goes well.
Again, I apologize for my actions and ask those that feel like they have been wronged to forgive and not to judge my further staying in the City based on my actions in the past.
Thank you.
Tyros
P.S: And I'm sorry for your loss, Darkar.
Meant to respond to this earlier, but got distracted. Yup, it even happens to me sometimes if you can imagine that.
Welcome back.
While it really sucked to lose you in that adventure, that had more to do with missing your posts then anything else. This is just a game afterall. I don't expect it to be the focus of anyones life. (Well except for Tensek. But he's special.)
Ok, the no notice was a problem too, but that's only because the last time you dissapeared without notice it was because of an accident. You had me worried that there was a little pair of wolfskin pants with tire treads on them laying at the side of the road somewhere. Or a bear. Yeah, a bear could have eaten you, or maybe monkeys. I tend to think the worst in situations like that.
While it really sucked to lose you in that adventure, that had more to do with missing your posts then anything else. This is just a game afterall. I don't expect it to be the focus of anyones life. (Well except for Tensek. But he's special.)
Hey! I resemble that remark.
-Aramil
But he's a Canadian, so what can you expect? :P
I expect you think I live in an igloo too. :P
And no one can talk to a penguin of course
Unless of course the penguin of course
Is the famous penguin Ed.
Got a wedding coming up on Saturday -- not mine, mind you. :P I'll try to get in a few posts tomorrow, but I may have to help a sick friend move furniture instead.
Thanks, really and again I'm sorry for not leaving any notice. Well, I wanted to continue posting yesterday, but it was simply impossible. Between a bday party and having to cut my hair in a hairdresser (
) my connection went worse than it already was. So apparently, everyone that uses the same service as mine, is having problems with their connection. I hope this doesn't stop me from reentering the game.oh, and I'll be out from saturday afternoon to sunday night. Looks like my dad really likes me to set our tent on fire :P
Tyros
Hey, I know that gnome.
What! You don't know me, son! Don' even be actin' like we all dat when we ain' nuddin' but dis yo. You feel me, g?
Which of course is hip hop slang for "Why, its wonderful to be back and remembered, how are you doing?"
Oh.
So it doesn't mean "My name is George" anymore?
What am I going to say to new bros now? *pouts*Me: "Are you using a Mac or a PC?"
Customer: *silence*.. "I'm using a Dell computer..."
This is a very cool site that has a free version of the Google Earth program that lets you look at a globe with the ability to zoom up to any city. On a lot of cities you can zoom close enough to see the rooftops of a house.
There's a new Elsewhere thread up, so I'll be closing the previous one sometime after the next fifteen minutes.
Would I be correct in assuming that just about any Silver Sword Ran might consider a senior guild member has gallivanted off to do a wee spot of adventuring? It's hard to keep track of timelines across several adventures...
Well if Aramil was a senior member, he would only be there in spirit ;)
Surprisingly, only one levelee this period:
Mirielle Dyer
(Just in time to avoid certain doom!)
It was rigged!
...
or maybe not ;)
Eldest Brother is on his way to a 'hurricane party,' having spent the better part of his day battening down the hatches at his house (which he doesn't live in, it being the lair of his estranged wife.) Please send good thoughts his way -- he tells me Katrina is in the 'Top 4' of most powerful hurricanes.
You should call him and tell him that this is not a "Hurricane Party Hurricane), but rather a "Get the Hell Out of Dodge Hurricane." And then smack him repeatedly next time for having a Class 5 Hurricane Party.
Oh and I'll be sure to mail him my best thoughts.
although they mostly have to do with pineaples and kendo sticks... *shrugs*I'm not forgetting people here. I'm just rather surprised at how busy my life has been this summer. The wedding this weekend was lovely -- a very simple gathering on a hillside overlooking downtown and the wedding party's home. The restaurant afterward was quite good as well, a very nice Italian place with a very good waiter.
And today is a gathering for dim sum. But I will check on things later this evening.
You should call him and tell him that this is not a "Hurricane Party Hurricane), but rather a "Get the Hell Out of Dodge Hurricane." And then smack him repeatedly next time for having a Class 5 Hurricane Party.
Thankfully, he's not in New Orleans, he's in Alabama, and I gathered the party was being held further inland than where his apartment is located. I'll have to remember to ask my mom what it was like when we rode out Camille... I was a bit too young to remember that myself.
Well if Aramil was a senior member, he would only be there in spirit ;)
*orders an exorcism for the SSAG*
No offense, Aramil. Haunting is all good and well in mansions and castles and stuff, but it's not practical for guild halls. It's a place of business after all. ;)
*orders an exorcism for the SSAG*
No offense, Aramil. Haunting is all good and well in mansions and castles and stuff, but it's not practical for guild halls. It's a place of business after all. ;)
So that's the reason for the lingering odor of stale beer!
*Aramil's spirit flees after being Exorcised*
"EY!!!!! I was just tryin ter get some more beer fur the after life, it's pretty stale around here...."
Love is an Epic-level challenge
Happy Hunting
It is very hard to think about a game when one's ex is trying to play mindgames on you.
I will be unconscious today.
"HUNK SMITE!"
Eh, sorry, the image was amusing to me at least. :D
I've got a character to add to the census sometime tonight, a fellow by the name of Driden. He belongs to a returning player, one that's been very patient with us. Please make him feel at home again.
Peace.
-Chris
P.S. Thanks for the welcome back ST and for being patient with me...and my tons of questions...and my tons of mistakes :P
Yyou know.. Although you may not be smelly anymore it occurs to me your name is almost like Drider. Is there a reason for this? :P
:P
Hey, is Drider going to wear dress?
By the way, are there driders in this world as there are no drows?
"It might smell good, Luke, but at least its warm." :P
Aramil and Oskar may have to drag Driden out of a random horse through afterwards.
I guess its just something he does when drunk... Fair enough.
I apologize for the excessive use of sblocks... they seemed the best thing for different action paths.
Hmm...
No, no, going to a chess tournament tonight, for the first time in over two years. I don't want to be undertaking a major board project before that. :P
Followed by half an hour of dying inside until the phone rings again, saying he has been found. Thank God I had a family member to call to go look for him, as I work an hour away...
I am glad that your son was found..... that is a horrible fear. My brother would randomly disappear when I was younger and I could see the wear and tear it caused my mother.Now if I only had good news for the sewer group. Well, I do, sort of -- I've arranged for a little something to keep Boirin busy while he waits to be able to rejoin the others. Sorry it too so long to come up with an idea.
I hope you like it.
Way to go, Dillon. :D
Ditto
Now if I only had good news for the sewer group. Well, I do, sort of
Burleg is NOT in the fog right? That's good news.. at least for him..
I don't know what compels you to keep these instant death things popping up
;)
And the cost of security these days... it's murder, I tell ya...
He played Tybalt. :P I wish we could do that fight over again; I've learned a lot about stage combat since then.
Now he knows how to make it look like an accident. :P
Congrats G! Now all you need is top billing and I can start sending people after you to take pictures for my not so classy tabloid. :P
Palasha: Sure! .oO(It's verrry safe inside my stomach!)
Writing up a post now. Even giving you a map.
Say, does anyone wonder if this is what Xykon kept hiding in the shadows all this time? Probably not. :P
Doot-da-doo-doo-doot-da-doo-doo, doot-da-doo-doo-doot-da-doot!
And, I'm also going to take the opportunity, since I never really did before, to thank you all for providing an awesome game while I was still playing. When I joined I'd never played Dnd before, or any roleplaying game, and it was a great place to start
I can't really come back or anything, I tried that while in high school and it didn't work out. And now I'm just starting college so I doubt I really even have enough time to eat, sleep and breathe But I wish I could... anyway, thanks! and Hi!Good luck with the college. We seem to lose so many players to that thing... :P
Now I'm off to sleep - good to see you
But hey I'm back"......again" :D
And welcome back old faces too. Good to see everyone.
), but right now it's a major pain. Anyway, I'll try to do better.Welcome back to Kai/Driden, btw.
New and improved, I'm sure.
So, on a purely 'interesting point of discussion' level, why does my ex seem to think it appropriate and/or allowable to take every opportunity to tell me I should touch up my roots?
Welcome back, Cassius
So, on a purely 'interesting point of discussion' level, why does my ex seem to think it appropriate and/or allowable to take every opportunity to tell me I should touch up my roots?
Simple defense mechanism. He hates himself/is insecure/etc, projects his anger/fear/doubt/etc onto you, and feels better about himself..
That's how I read it. :whatsthis
Thanks alot! Nothing is cooler then seeing with my own eyes exactly what I imagined and wrote.Just kidding, it's a wonderful picture Ky...
Is it just me or does Driden look like a well muscled Sephiroth?
Greg
Is it just me or does Driden look like a well muscled Sephiroth?
Perhaps it's the way the sword hangs to one side like a single wing? I really couldn't say -- that's the most I know about Sephiroth, having never played a FF game. On the other hand, I have had the pleasure of experiencing Liberi Fatali on a DDR-like machine... wow, but that piece builds nicely. Not the most complex steps, but they're to the music, which, since it builds so effectively over what's normally two songs in length, worked quite well for me.
Welcome back, Darkar. I know that thing about life. I'm doing a twelve hour shift tonight, and chances are I'm doing another six day week. But at least it's on a consistent sleep pattern. Now if I can just match up to the pattern.
Still, I'll try to sneak in a few posts and updates as time allows. Some of you may have noticed a bit of reformatting in some of the Character Information and Rules and Information threads. It's going slowly, but it does tend to make it a lot less daunting to scan them for relevant information. Kudos to Jonathan (who plays Neb) for demonstrating the possibilities of sblock.
-Aramil
Brief update, since I haven't posted for a while: Things are hectic, my personal life is in turmoil and demanding attention, I have a final exam tomorrow. Taking that last one into account (it being the most urgent), I'll expect to post Thursday. Don't be surprised if you don't see anything from me before then, and feel free to NPC appropriate actions until then.
Greg
Good Night Garics
Sorry I wasn't around today, Darkar. My luck with computers has been... not so good today, leading to quite a bit of frustration. My luck with sleeping properly hasn't been all that great either of late, so I turned the humidifier on. Hopefully that will help. In any case, I'll see what I can do for tomorrow.
Thankfully enough you went with the option I choose.
Hello all ^^
Amazingly, his enemy is still standing, having survived a barrage that only a handful of PCs could have withstood. (Aramil, Burleg, Darkar, and Gamis are the only ones with enough hp to withstand that, though Hermy's AC might have carried him through.)
Fierce Countenance [General]
Prerequisites: Cha 13, Skill Focus (Intimidate), base attack bonus +1
Benefit: You may use the Intimidate skill to demoralize an additional number of opponents equal to your Charisma modifier. Select the targets before you make the Intimidate check. You still can Intimidate only opponents that you threaten in melee combat and that can see you.
Aura of Menace [General]
Prerequisites: Cha 13, Fierce Countenance, Skill Focus (Intimidate), base attack bonus +6
Benefit: You can make Intimidate checks to demoralize opponents who are within 10 ft of your threatened area. You can affect only as many opponents as allowed by the Fierce Countenance feat (see below), and they must still be able to see you.
Doom Chant [General]
Prerequisites: bardic music, Perform 9 ranks, Skill Focus (Intimidate)
Benefit: If you are performing bardic music to inspire courage, you may, as a free action, make an opposed Intimidate (you may substitue a Perform check) vs modified level check against every opponent within 30 ft of you or one of your allies. Those who fail the check are shaken for 1 round, plus a number of rounds equal to the morale bonus your bardic music provides when you inspire courage. An opponent must be able to hear your song to be affected. You do not have to be visible to initiate this effect, but it will not affect an opponent who cannot see either you or an ally within 30 ft. This is a mind-affecting, supernatural fear effect.
Special: Regardless of whether you use a Perform or Intimidate check to demoralize your enemy, the check is modified based on the difference between your opponent and the largest visible member of your party within 30 ft of that opponent. Use of the doom chant ability does not count against your daily limit of bardic music, but you may only attempt it once per performance to inspire courage.
Doom Chant [General]
Prerequisites: bardic music, Perform 9 ranks, Skill Focus (Intimidate)
Benefit: If you are performing bardic music to inspire courage, you may, as a free action, make an opposed Intimidate (you may substitue a Perform check) vs modified level check against every opponent within 30 ft of you or one of your allies. Those who fail the check are shaken for 1 round, plus a number of rounds equal to the morale bonus your bardic music provides when you inspire courage. An opponent must be able to hear your song to be affected. You do not have to be visible to initiate this effect, but it will not affect an opponent who cannot see either you or an ally within 30 ft. This is a mind-affecting, supernatural fear effect.
Special: Regardless of whether you use a Perform or Intimidate check to demoralize your enemy, the check is modified based on the difference between your opponent and the largest visible member of your party within 30 ft of that opponent. Use of the doom chant ability does not count against your daily limit of bardic music, but you may only attempt it once per performance to inspire courage.
Apparently then you get theme music! Except the bad guys know its theme music, and know what happens when theme music starts. ;)
Wow that makes it sound like it was wild and drunk. Really it was a bunch of juniors and seniors in my band watching a tivoed DCI World Championship. Then we played DDR. There was pizza and soda pop.
Actually, it was reasonable for you to carouse. Full moon last night that kept me up.
Well it was a good thing I didn't go out last night!
Gamis breaks two Garic's City records today, if I'm not mistaken. The first is for damage delivered by a PC in a single round with a melee weapon: 66 hp. The other record is for most critical hits rolled for one character in a single round: 2.
Amazingly, his enemy is still standing, having survived a barrage that only a handful of PCs could have withstood. (Aramil, Burleg, Darkar, and Gamis are the only ones with enough hp to withstand that, though Hermy's AC might have carried him through.)
Psst Aramil is dead :P
Maybe I missed something. I will be around to make a post after work tonight, in either case. Have a good afternoon peoples.
Slightly confused ST, did you miss my post above your own in the adventure thread about enchanting Mirielle for his action? If so, would it have made a difference on her shot?
No, I didn't miss it, but she still did. ;)
Ow. I can't see straight right now. I'm going to need more sleep, I think. I just can't sleep at the moment. Food first, then.
http://www.talklikeapirate.com/piratehome.html
Psst Aramil is dead :P
Shhhh... let him think I'm still alive that why I don't have to spend all that gold on comming back to life ;)
In other news I've got a new, non sucky mouse
ah the small things in life.Twelve hour shift tonight too. Hopefully, it's the last one for awhile, and I'll have weekends off starting Friday. We shall see.
Still working at things, however.
Yep.
"It's bananas... B! A, N, A, N, Annas!"
Over and over and over again. Couldn't get it out playing chess, couldn't get it out playing DDR... even stupid coughing doesn't make it stop.
I will be sedating myself with cough medicine in the morning. Tonight is soup.
"It's bananas... B! A, N, A, N, Annas!"
Make it stop!!!!!!! please stop the brainwashing[b]NNOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooooooooo.......... 
abuuuuuu....bobly...boobely.... 
It drove me and the worker cat insane.
(For those who were wondering, no. Neither the cat or I saved everyone of us.)
...Kind of morbid that it would be, though.
And soup is also helping a bit.
Great..
Now Maxwell keeps murdering Flash...
Let's keep songs out of here...
Bananas! B-A-N-A-N-A-S.
Brother bought a coconut, he bought it for a dime
His sister had another one, she paid it for a lime.
She put the lime in the coconut, she drank them both up
She put the lime in the coconut, she drank them both up
Etc. :P
and now.. prepare for utter destruction!
I'm Henry the VIIth I am, Henry the VIIth I am I am, I got married to the widow next door, she's been married seven times before, but everyone was an'en-er-ee...
"This is the song that never ends."
"I don't want to learn trumpet, I want to learn snare drum!" he howls for a week.
Tonight we go to the mass instrument rental (just what I need, another monthly expense,) and by the time we left he had fallen in love with his shiny new trumpet and proceeded to spend half an hour blatting on it in his room...
Percussion always gets less respect than every other instrument, unless you're playing piano. On the other hand, when it's -15 degrees on that Santa Claus Parade, the brass freezes on contact and the reeds crack on wind instruments. Then it's all up to the glockenspiels and the drums. Even then, sometimes it's just glocks and bass drum if the snare drummers aren't careful in sub-zero weather.
I can play guitar, but if you get me a drum.. don't expect me to be the one keeping time for everyone else.. :surrender
explain that to me., who are the scapegoats for peoples problems. ST is right, any one can beat a drum not anyone can be a percussionist. :PI don't know about your problem, Jace, but for field conducting the difference in speed of light and speed of sound is enough that you get a time delay from the when the drum major waves his hands to the time the audience hears the band.
Its pretty disconserting, from what I hear, when you're conducting half a beat ahead. Very different than conducting to a recording.
sorry about the numbers....I just finished doing my physics homework.....just kinda came out of my head. well later.If there is a true change it's probably just enough to be disconcerting.
And I really doubt it's that pronounced on anything slower then Mutanza.
Unnng, just the thought of having to memorize that beast.
Or that section where you are playing in 2:4 while the band is in 3:4.
Crazy composer man.
Itialian synonyms for fast all blur together after awhile.
Contnues to purge Mutanza from himself.
It depends on your band, where I come from its trombones , lucky me and gil thats our section :P
Here here! Well said. As a percussionist I can say that the conflict arises often enough in the drum majors for marching band. In our particular school we had three drum majors and three different tempos. Of course, in auditorium concert our timing was flawless (those trumpets on the other hand...) ;)
Miri, I'm sorry to see you son slide down the dark path of trumpeteerism. Although its true that at times we drum line folks can get... unruly... its always (often) in good fun and rarely (almost always) ends in minor (serious) injury.
But at the very least we are unique, because we play a versimilitude of instruments (Snare, Bass, Symbols, Set, Xylaphone, vibraphone, bells, marimba, timpani, tongas, chimes, even the vaunted cow bell), while most players learn few more than a few.
Besides that, what other member of the band do you know that can reliabley count through 32 measures of 5/6 rest, 5 measures of 4/4 rest, and 16 more measures of 7/12 rest, a retardando, accellerando, two fermatas, a DS al Coda, then a Coda and immediately jump in at their part playing mixed 32nd notes and rests? I thought so!
:D
But maybe I'm just a little too proud.
Anyways, spent the past three (or four, lost count) days here in Colorado working a Trade Show booth for the Elk Run Trading Company, and have thus, had little to no time (not that that exuses my previous absence of a number of days prior, in which I was simply engrossed in my studies similar to Frankenstein as he built his monsters, though with much less gleeful ardour and more beligerant cursing.
Also I'm reading alot of very british literature for class, and its showing in my vocabulary. I feat that any moment Mary Shelly or Charlotte Bronte will leap from my chest "Alien style" and begin doing my writing for me.
Collapses into convulsions
A very tiny british woman erupts from a bleeding cavity in his chest and begins dancing around on the keyboard...
"There was no possibility of taking a walk today..."
Well, I am half way moved into my new apartment. All my stuff is here, but it needs to be organized. So far I have my laptop, bed, shelves, couch, and TV set up.
It is great to be back in Davis. Yip-ee!
-Jonathan
Now that I've got myself all set up, I'll be back.
Grats to the levelee's! (Both weeks of them)
Sorry for holding everyone up.
Toodles.
Chris <3
I spent most my spare time last week fixing up a few minor problems, spark plugs and a cracked vacum hose (My car is incredibly hard to work on. Have to pull the entie engine out to get to just about any useful part) I finally got it running properly again.
I got up extra early this morning to head into work to make up for the time I had to take off last week. Got into the car, turned the key, smelled the smoke, and then once I got the hood open saw the sparks coming off my air conditioning compresser.
Needless to say, I didn't make it in to work early.
It had been a few years since I tried to use the public transportation system here in the valley, so rather then call the day a total loss I decieded to take the bus. Bad call by me.
For those unfamiliar with the bus system where I live (which is most likely everyone but Thosar) all bus lines lead to two places. The light rail train that leads to the malls downtown, or to bus routes that lead to routes that go to the light rail station.
Now, I like just about everyone else in the valley do not work downtown. But my parents live a block away from one of the light rail stations. And they have a spare car. (Cars setting on fire is not all that uncommon among my family, so having a spare or two is a good idea.)
My plan was to catch a bus to the light rail station, and then head to my parents. I checked the schedule on line and then scramblewd out the door to the nearest bus stop. And then I waited. And waited. And waited. The time on the schedule had passed.
I called the number conviently located on the bus stop sign to see if that route had been discontinued. I was told that the schedule had been changedto once an hour instead of every half hour, and that the next bus would be there in half an hour.
I then asked about the bus I was suppose to transfer to would be getting to the stop where I was suppose to meet it at. Fifeteen minutes, and then it would be an hour until the next one. So a wait of forty five minutes.
Thats a little later then I wanted, so I tried to run to the connecting point. I managed to make it there before the bus did, Or at least before it was scheduled to arrive, because it never made it.
Once again I called the helpful nformation line, and got a different operator. She had the more current schedule. Due to road construction that route had been temporarily changed. I was given directions on where to meet it at.
This time I walked to the new point. It took about half an hour. Now I suppose some people are wondering why I didn't hurry back to catch the first bus, I still had fifeteen minutes until it was scheduled to arrive, and I made it that far in fifeteen minutes earlier, well the connecting bus was rerouted not the first one. It would have dropped me off where I currently was.
By the time I arrived at the next bus stop I was soaking wet. Six thirty in the morning seems to be a popular time to water your sidewalks. (Those weeds don't grow in the cracks on there own don't you know.)
I watch as the bus comes down the road. And then I watch as the bus passes by without stopping. Another phone call, another operator and this time I find out that it's an express route. It doesn't stop at every stop.
I walk the remaining three miles to the train station, getting there just as the train I want is pulling out. Another fifeteen minutes to wait until the next one arrives. I call my office to tell them why I'm not there. They laugh at me. (My office manager used to ride the bus to work on occasion, but it got too rough on her knees. She bought a truck.)
Finally I get on the train, get to my parents, and uncover the spare car. (My father had put it away for the winter when we finsished putting my car back together last thursday. Up until today, he had been driving my mother into work so her car was suppose to be available. No need to keep two spares taking up room in the driveway, right? But he got a job offer that was to good to pass up, and ended his retirement last friday.)
I hop in, start it up, get on the freeway, and then promptly run out of gas. (My father had siphoned all the gas out after I left. He didn't want all that expensive gas going to waste.) Luckily I had not merged yet, and there was a handy-dandy emergancy lane to pull into.
Another hike to the closest gas station, buying a new gas can, and a hike back to the car, and I was once again on my way. I finally arrived at work almost four hours after I left my apartment. (It normally takes twenty minutes.)
But were my troubles over? Nope. Not yet. My two years of not having to go to the doctor for work related accidents came to an end. (Easily a record for me. I once went there three times in one day for seperate accidents before the put me behind a desk.)
As I approaced my office, the owner of the company throws open the door to his office as I pass. It catches me right in the face. Blood starts pouring from my nose. He takes me to get some x-rays. (I've got a glass nose thanks to a barfight several years ago. It breaks very easily.)
Nothing broken, and he gave me a free company shirt to replace the blood soaked one. ( I told him there was no way in hell I was driving back home to change clothes. If I went, I was staying.)
So finally six hours into my eight hour shift, I finally get started. An hour later I get sent home when the computer network crashes.
Called a tow truck to pick up my car and take it to a mechanic, put some ice on my face, and try to take a nap. My sister calls. My mom wrecked her car on the way home from her work. She'll need the spare car.
On the plus side, the rental car has really nifety cup holders.
And as for the previous tale, it probably topped all of my travel horror stories combined.
And as for the previous tale, it probably topped all of my travel horror stories combined.
Sad to say, but that wasn't my worst expierance with public transportation here. Or with car problems. Or getting smacked in the face with things. Or even all three combined in one day. (The day I got my nose broken in the barfight takes that honor.)
Just the worst I've had in a few years.
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Wow that is really good Gamis!
classic Gamis color scheme. If this were a video fighting game, I wonder what his Player 2 colors/costume would be. Maybe we should look into making a Flash GsC fighting game (or at least the character selection screen)(Might want to resave the first two images as jpgs though, so it doesn't sap your geocities bandwdth.)
Nice work
(Might want to resave the first two images as jpgs though, so it doesn't sap your geocities bandwdth.)
the switch was easier than expected to do
Perhaps this is Bing?
Perhaps this is Bing?
Does Gamis know he levelled up this week?I'm going to be away for the weekend, leaving this evening, little to zero internet access. But there will be a hot tub... :D I'll be back on Tuesday.
Right now, I can't sleep, which might actually be a good sign. I'm going to go for a walk, pick up a few things, and go back to bed. After that, I've got a few threads to review and perhaps a few posts to answer.
And you know Jace, it would be interesting to see what your reaction is to finding out your mentor is dead.... or at least that would be interesting to me anyways.... ;)
but I like Boison Berry Well at least you two can both be dead together? :D
Well the fact that Jace is dead to may be a shock to Arimil as well.
Boysen.
I hurt my shoulder today in rehearsal.
ST, I'll try to catch you on AIM tomorrow to talk leveling a little.
Boysen.
I hurt my shoulder today in rehearsal.
ST, I'll try to catch you on AIM tomorrow to talk leveling a little.
Score one for older brother! :evillaugh
What were you doing that you hurt your shoulder at rehearsal?
Score one for older brother! :evillaugh
What were you doing that you hurt your shoulder at rehearsal?
That's what has me irked about it, nothing unusual. I just moved it wrong during one of the dances, popped it briefly out of joint, and it feels like I pulled part of my rotator cuff. The slightest, stupidest thing...
What talking to me? ;)
Oh I guess not...
What talking to me? ;)
Oh I guess not...
On a slightly-related note, though, Boirin, don't let Gamis catch you using that poison.
"Things blowed up real good" As the guys from SCTV would say.
Then again, I saw it and that's probably the end of it for me. There's no profit to be had by the studio for catering to my whims, at least not on this particular franchise.
Hey, is there some sort of a prize or a reward for being on a one single adventure for over a year?
Yeah, you get to carry on after half your team drops out.
So, electrical storm tuesday, 72 hours later we get the phoneline, and we don't get internet back untill today, wee.
Well not like I could have used it much, looking at my weekend. Seeing as I decided to go pass a kidney stone, yay me. I think the most important thing is that I expernced, what is according to the ER Doc, the one thing more pianfull then childbirth, witout crying. I was huttled over in the fetal posistion, sweating, screaming for my mom to kill me now, then entered a pain induced delerium, but I didn't cry.
Now I'm on painkillers/ truth syrum, and thus can't type, go me.
Yeah, you get to carry on after half your team drops out.
Man, your rewards... are not wery enticing. Not even a funky colored drink with small paper umbrella? :P
So, Gilgiga, Boirin curls into a ball in a corner and shouts "Way TMI! Way TMI! Aaargh, my brain!"?
I just beat a Aero Physics test over the head with a big fat tomb.....woot. I have a Calc test wendsday and it is looking good for that one as well, so far Univ has been great.
So, Gilgiga, Boirin curls into a ball in a corner and shouts "Way TMI! Way TMI! Aaargh, my brain!"?
Something like that.
Sometimes when you get trebled the best thing to do, after giving it enough time is take off and go about your business..
Oh ho ho! Nanashi has been waiting for Leonardo and Neb to post for a few days now. Is it okay if he gets to Marroc's Place tomorrow or should he wait a few more days? Nanashi knows there is strength in patience but he does not want to overdo it and strain himself! Oh ho ho!
Strained gnome does not sound tasty. I'd try the soup at Nobodys if I were you. It's been gnome free since 2004.
The pie, well I'm not commenting on that. Go there and find out for yourself tomorrow.
... help?
Ammunition
Projectile weapons use ammunition: arrows (for bows), bolts (for crossbows), or sling bullets (for slings). When using a bow, a character can draw ammunition as a free action; crossbows and slings require an action for reloading. Generally speaking, ammunition that hits its target is destroyed or rendered useless, while normal ammunition that misses has a 50% chance of being destroyed or lost.
Although they are thrown weapons, shuriken are treated as ammunition for the purposes of drawing them, crafting masterwork or otherwise special versions of them (see Masterwork Weapons), and what happens to them after they are thrown.
Kywyn -- your avatar! -- that is brilliant!Sorry for the slow response, everyone. I've been trying to sort things out in the sewer adventure, but it's been difficult, with two separate courses of action being performed at the same time and no indication of what nearly everyone else in the group is doing about it.
Folks, when one of the most active members of the group is a frog practically limited to introspection, it's kind of hard to get a feeling for what the team is doing. :P
Fortunately, this cold appears to have finally cleared up to let me try to work from what I've got. However, in the future, when a member of the party goes to open a door, it would really help if I have an idea of how the rest of the group prepares for that -- just in case there's trouble on the other side of one at some point, you know? Otherwise I'm going to have to assume that people aren't all that ready: no weapons drawn or actions readied. (That's not a major disadvantage, but it might not be as convenient as the group would like.)
Fortunately, Gamis has run into an inconvenience at this time, while the group is spread out over 60' feet -- or three times that when you consider how far away Hex and Palasha are at this time.
Not that Gamis' doom waits on the other side of the door or anything.
Sorry mate, but I don't want to assume or declare anyone else's actions. I would love to run all these characters as the players seem busy with RL, which I totally understand, but heck, my character just go dragged along. Sure it was set up like that, and my other character got killed in the prequal to this, but I'm not gonna complain or prod anyone about who's doing what.
I know my course of action is a little backwards, but it's not complicated.. as for the rest, I'm clueless too. :surrender
Folks, when one of the most active members of the group is a frog practically limited to introspection, it's kind of hard to get a feeling for what the team is doing. :P
Let me know how I can be more active than the frog, and I will. I cannot speak for the rest.
This isn't meant to be a complaint -- merely an explanation for why I've had such a difficult time moving things along at this time. Checking the doors and the halls gave me something I could work with, but it was a bit difficult to determine if the group at large might want to make either a bit easier or make the decision to do both together a bit less risky.
Provided there's any risk involved, of course.
Thanks. It was either blinking or having him with a tophat and cane like the singing/dancing frog in the old Bugs Bunny cartoons.
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Progress in sewers seems to be going as smooth as it can with different people's schedules. I just think it's nice that older characters wanted to get involved.
Maybe we need a few charts of NPCing preferences for each character : P Like in a video game AI chart or a financial risk questionairre (but concerning HP rather than money).
I think I've also finally worked out a mechanism that allows for a combination of troop movements and individual heroes (or commanders, as the case may be) on the battlefield. I've nearly got the issue of scale worked out as well, thankfully.
I won't promise perfection, but I'm hoping it will be both memorable and worth the wait. And I warn you now -- I'm going to be tapping the shoulders of several players (those less likely to get involved in a battle like this one) to run enemy commanders for this battle. That ought to keep the tactics from being too predictable. ;)
Thank goodness my neighbor -- Jeremy-the-state-trooper -- was home and came over & jimmied the lock for me. *sighs* I'm going to bed now...Is it okay to ask for Jace to edit his post? Nanashi does not know what to do next if it is not.
Well I guess that's a good thing to celebrate.... i think.... :embarrass
Yay, Aramil's body has finally be found, along with Oskar's!
Well I guess that's a good thing to celebrate.... i think.... :embarrass
nah, give it a week or two
PIC 1
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PIC 3
The last one was for a fan art contest, so I get to provide characters for the next month. I'm giving them Kywyn, NaShae, and Dak, so if anyone ever wanted an excuse to draw them, there's that.
I've also placed in a Transformers contest, and it's up to an open vote now, so if anyone's a Trans-fan, take a look for your favorite:
http://www.first4figures.com/newsarticles.asp?newsid=25
There it's been done. . .
Nanashi thanks kneyejailb for his help at Nobody's Inn. He will go to the bar soon. That nap can wait a little longer. Oh ho ho!
Leonardo was leaving, and I'd just assume he has by this point. I'd rule it as Nanashi just missing him unless he posts otherwise.
Looks like it's up to the bartender to keep the gnome amused.
It doesn't look like it's going to get any less busy either. But I'll try to keep Leo going.
So i'm just going to relax in my house, then go out and pick up a few things for me :D
Whatever, have a waffle!
And thanks for the waffle Gilgiga, I love those things ;)
As for the sewer group, if there's no post from the rear guard, please feel free to post that word has passed on to the rest of the group and act accordingly.
Happy Birthday Airmail!
!Oh, edit up :embarrass
Well I had a nice birthday yesterday I have to say so. However, it's the next day, and things got back to the normal side, unfortunatly. Oh well....
Anyways, a quick question for the sewer adventurers, is Oskar out of the pit, or is it just Aramil and Kywyn at the moment?
Long time since I've posted here under this SN, isn't it? Just in case anyone was confused over in the adventure thread, this is Natala.
Sorry for the long, long gap between my posts. Things have been... busy, to say the least. (No, as a matter of fact, I'm not the kind of man who likes to see the world around me crumble to a ball around my feet. :P) I was going to post before I left town, but the car suddenly needed repairs, seventeen hours before I was due to leave on a road trip. Then my travelling companion's dog ran away, and we had to stay an extra day looking for it. Then... well, then several things (just as there are many, many things prior to the leaving town part of things), but one of them is that when I came home, I found out my computer had been broken while I was away. That's the second one in a year.
I'll post from my husband's computer when and as I can, but don't be surprised when there are more gaps in time when you don't hear from me. Between my energy levels (my energy is all devoted elsewhere for the time being -- I can only split myself into so many pieces) and the fact that my husband is a full-time PhD student and full-time computer programmer, I won't be available much, and the computer will be available to me even less.
I'll be back, though. In the meantime, I wanted to drop a note to let everyone know I haven't dropped off the face of the planet.
I'm going to try to post tonight, but I think there might be a misunderstanding from the group. Hence, I've got to try to draw up another map...
Oh, darn. And I left it at home too. Well, maybe I've got that backup on e-mail.
Thanks for giving us an update.. I know how busy RL can make us, and while the games does not have to take up much time, it can that up that particular time when we need it most....
That sounds confusing... but if you know what I mean you know what I mean.
Thanks again.
http://admin3.imaginationatwork.com/LaunchPage?aFileType=&_nolivecache&aDrawingID=20051014_073133025_690012322_can&from_email=shatteredtower@yahoo.com&from_name=Bob&to_email=shatteredtower@yahoo.com&to_name=&_lscid=You might need to manually delete the "%20%20" from the address to get it to load.
Nice map too, ST.
Yeap, good cartography skills there..
:waves: Hi, everybody.
Long time since I've posted here under this SN, isn't it? Just in case anyone was confused over in the adventure thread, this is Natala.
Sorry for the long, long gap between my posts. Things have been... busy, to say the least. (No, as a matter of fact, I'm not the kind of man who likes to see the world around me crumble to a ball around my feet. :P)
Leading experts: "At this point Darkar brained his damage and was never the same again."
Leading experts: "At this point Darkar brained his damage and was never the same again."
Don't you mean damaged his brain? Or was that supposed to be the joke?
http://www.simpsoncrazy.com/episodeguide.php?episode=3F24
I'm not going to go into further details here. I've already talked with people who were very helpful, but now I may need a few days to try to pull myself together again.
My apologies for the further delays. I'm going for a walk now, which I hope will leave me able to concentrate again.
If he does, then next character I make will be a Paladin with an 18 Charisma, Iron Will, Great Fortitude, and Lighting Reflexes..!!!! :lightbulb
Stupid saving throws...
If he does, then next character I make will be a Paladin with an 18 Charisma, Iron Will, Great Fortitude, and Lighting Reflexes..!!!! :lightbulb
So he would end up being the most charismatic paladin around, yet he will probably be one of the weakest and stupidest, am I right? Cause if you put an 18 into cha, then you'd only have like 16 points left.... :P
So he would end up being the most charismatic paladin around, yet he will probably be one of the weakest and stupidest, am I right? Cause if you put an 18 into cha, then you'd only have like 16 points left.... :P
He will be one of those that depends on his good looks to carry him through ;)
If he does, then next character I make will be a Paladin with an 18 Charisma, Iron Will, Great Fortitude, and Lighting Reflexes..!!!! :lightbulb
Make him a halfling and you'll be good to go right?
slinks away
I'll be getting that next map up for the sewer-bound adventuring group soon enough. I think you're going to need it. ;)
If ever I could use a moment of ST's dice being considerate, it's on that dispel check...
Oh well, more time for laundry and pokemon! :D In other news, I'm still chipping away at Brodda, to get her back in the city for a visit!
btw, the big rust 1 doesn't show up, I assume it in the square right next to Burleg
That's correct. I must have goofed on that as well.
That's correct. I must have goofed on that as well.
Attack!!!
How the heck is everyone doing? I'm well and glad to see so many familiar faces. I may be popping in every now and then to chat IC at the inns and shops. Nothing to amazing but it's a start.
Now I just have to figure out where I left myself.
Hi Thosar! Absolutely no recollection where you left yourself! But after this long, does it really matter? :P Jump in and swim... ;)
You know that's not a very funny joke when I remember what happened to me when I was a dwarf and fighting goblins near Clerihew. Armor and water don't mix.
:D
Thanks Mirielle!
Hey Thosar, welcome back. I would buy you a drink, but at the moment Aramil is dead.... and I'm waiting to come back to life, so you might have to take a raincheck or something ;)
Thanks Aramil! Don't worry, I was dead once to. You'll get better. ;)
Now I just have to figure out where I left myself.
On adventure in Clerihew. :P
But that adventure got shut down from lack of participation (not just you -- I've had a LOT going on for a long time now, myself), so you're back in the city and good to post whenever and wherever you care to.
[Rant]
On a rather sad note it is my prerogative to inform everyone that the Customer Service and Registration Manager for GenCon SoCal does not understand all aspects of proper grammar. I received an email recently from him/her (as did many others, it was a mass-mail) which contained this bit of a sentence:
"If your still looking for a hotel..."
This makes me sad because GenCon is something I'm very excited about going to for the first time and this is the public image that is being portrayed. This is only one example of the grammar, punctuation, and/or spelling errors that have shown up in the GenCon public announcements over the past few weeks.
I realize to some of you this is rather nit-picky but for a convention the size of GenCon, couldn't they find someone better?
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People who know the difference between there and they're and their still make the mistake all the time, which is hardly surprising, considering how many people today are spending three hours a day at work replying to corporate e-mail. You just can't maintain the focus needed to catch things like that when you're expected to keep up with that much correspondence, especially when your supervisors, subordinates, clients, and shareholders would be more concerned if you overlooked other details more relevant to the company's well-being (or lack thereof). There's usually more danger in a misplaced comma than a "you're" when "your" was intended, at least in that regard.
The more I'm trying to do, the more I'm likely to make mistakes I know without a doubt to be mistakes, but it's like something an old woodshop teacher taught us: knowing can make us careless. He was very aware of the safety procedures for handling all of the powered saws, while also having one or two fingers reattached each year to show that knowing isn't enough. All things considered, I'd rather people took their time when making sure I had my registration confirmed and let the easily understood typos go. It's a matter of priorities, don't you think?
Anyway, the latest post in the sewer adventure is up, with both the successes and failures. Hopefully Natala won't lynch me for "airlifting" herself and two familiars into the middle of enemy territory. :P (On the other hand, if she feels she'd have left them behind, I hope she'll let me know and I'll adjust the post accordingly.)
That particular spelling mistake is one that is a pet peeve of mine so I know it is something I can over-react about. Like I just did. ;)
Natala was airlifted? Don't you mean Natala-ported? :D
Natala-ported, haha! It seems we have been short of new Nata-names.
Also, is anyone going to GenCon SoCal this year? I'll be going and judging a bunch of RPGA Living Greyhawk games. It's my first time to a major Con! :D
Yes, the spontaneous domain casting is a house rule.
I believe in my post I was attempting to describe Zap's actions as chosen by the familiar, and the feeling Tynk had drawn from the unseen familiar's emotions. Perhaps I should re-word it, but the way I read it seems to say just that in a vague manner. Any suggestions?
Thanks.
~Tynk
Well, the tide appears to have shifted nicely on one front, but there's still danger on the second. We'll see if Tynk's summoning helps shift it back, or if the trio in the Room of Death ("Dun dun DA!") have the resources to quickly turn the tide themselves.
I will say this, however: they've done pretty well with the efforts made thus far. Boirin and NaShae might otherwise by very dead right now, and Gamis might have been in a lot worse shape. Blind isn't dead, and Boirin's still got a little bit of fight left in him while that rage lasts.
And I still can't rule out a cavalry movement from the other half of the party at this time. ;)
I get this vague feeling that after all Tynk has been through (and a great portion of that put himself through) he is lucky to have come this far... :D
~Tynk
I know I should've said this earlier, but I just kept forgetting and using what little available time I had to attend to other, more pressing issues. I'm not going to be able to play in Garic's anymore, due to my studies, mainly. I've been caught flat-footed and took a sneak attack by math and physics, two very malicious rogues, so now I have to work triple-time to try and beat those two challenges. And I'm not even counting biology and portugues, which are also killer fighters. So, I'm not usually online now, and my AIM has started giving off an error.
I'd like to thank all those who took the time to aid me while I was here, and I can surely say that this is the best community I've ever been to. Hermy and the Horde will always be remembered as the funniest chars I've had the pleasure of playing with; Gamis, Kywin, Nashae and lady Dyer as the coolest adventurous group yet; the friendly host of rangers that runs amock the city; Sensandela and Tharoke, along with all the other people I've had the pleasure to meet. A special "Thank you" goes to the DM team, especially ST who has always helped when I needed and always tried to bring me back to the game, in spite of my lack of fondness for my character. I am trully sorry that I have to stop playing, but I simply do not have the time, not with school as it is right now.
So, a farewell to all of you, and good luck on you're dice rolls.
Tyros
I guess that PM Minto sent you while you were typing out your farewell can be safely ignored. :-p
However, if you ever find yourself with even a moment free time, feel free to drop into Noise and let us know what's going on.
(And that goes for any other lurkers out there, former player or not. ;))
Grats Tynk
Rary's Telepathic link...best spell of its level. ^_^
Thanks for the 'grats.
It shall be interesting to see what happens next.
Well, I guess it's time for Ixchal to jump on the thing and bite it to death... and for me to start making a new character. Perhaps.Gratz Tynk! :D Now for some magical support right? :P
You never know miri. I thought for about a week that Boirin was going to die last time. Of course hes pretty close to it now.
Good Fortune to those down there!
Rah rah ree kick the lich in the knee!
Rah rah ras kick the lich in the pants!
ST, btw, I am doing that assuming I an duntangled from the web. Success or failure was not posted. :whatsthis
Sorry for the short small posts, with the funeral(no relation) last week, and the plague/mad cow/typhiod I got over the weekend I've been on the edge as far as rational thought, energy and typing ability.. but in the words of Costanza "I'm back baby!"
Yikes...Evening, folks. Don't mind me, carry on. I'll just go get my spiked shoes and lots of rope before I tackle the mountain of posts that await my reading.
Presuming there's not a general Belgian internet strike to protest changing the retirement age? :P
Gosh, whatever shall the remaining villain do now?
Ignite the entire place in blue negative energy fire?
have us over for sardines and ginger ale?
The possibilities are endless
Well, that's one front finished in the sewers.
And with a couple of near-deaths (stress near) only. Excellent.
But I have to
to RL.On the bright side, at least this semester is paid for!
The next one though............
But again, sorry I haven't been able to post often. I get so many things going in real life that I run out of time for some of the little fun things, like playing games. But I should have some time in christmas, maybe. (Sheesh, you'd think I'd have less time when out of the country. Go figure.)
I appreciate the extra hour of sleep, but I still think Ben Franklin should be flogged...And it goes Fall Back Spring Forward.
So we would get another hour if it were
Rough round in the sewers. I think I need to get my dice examined. On the other hand, they rolled well enough to let Gamis get three hits in and to keep most of the spellcasters informed of what's going on. I shall be considering actions very carefully at this point.
(I also need to map out that cloud. Uh... oh...)
My alarm clock is maintained by radio, and so beings how Arizona does not practice daylight savings time, my alarm clock was set an hour back over night, and I woke up at 9:15 AZ time, 15 minutes after my first class starts.
but its fixed now because I changed it so that it shows the correct time.*Twiddles thumbs some more. Drinks some water and thinks about going to get something to eat.*
Bleg...dorm food....blah.
On another note, you guys have the Lich on the run! Go team!
(Word to the wise if you decide to chase after him, mind the vomit. I think it causes a Grease effect in the square it lands in.) ;)
Okay, folks, I promise no grease-type effects here and that if I'm going to make them a side-effect of a situation like this, I will try to at least provide stronger hints that there's a danger, especially to those with good Spot checks.
Sorry those no Hallowe'en event this year, everyone. You may be curious to know that I've not forgotten about last year's event either, and would prefer to keep the efforts made (special thanks to Kywyn again) from going to waste. So, if at all possible (and not inconvenient to people), we'll get back to it.
I'm so exhausted right now. First we had to come to work and hour early (6AM) to have a meeting about behavior problems in our shop. Then after getting off at 4pm, my buddy reminds me that I promised to help him move into his new apartment...which is convieniently located ontop of 3 flights of stair. He also had to go and buy the biggest dresser I've ever seen in my entire life. I can think of one word to describe the process of the two of us bringing that bad boy up...NIGHTMARE. The things you do for your buddies I guess.Folks, I'm going to be pretty out of the loop for a few days. There are personal matters to which I must attend. Should be back Saturday, though possibly tomorrow evening.
I wanted to check with all of you and see if any are headed down to GenCon SoCal. I'll be judging a mess of Living Greyhawk down there and this is my first year! Yay! :D
Just wondering if I could put some faces to some names that I've known so long (or not so long, as the case may be).
So who's going?
As for me, nothing bad, just busy lifeness. Can anyone recommend a baker, caterer and seamstress in my area?
I have many, many, many hours to work this weekend. weeeeeeeeeee and homework, can never forget the homework.I wish happier times for you ahead.
On another note, cleaning your home can be very bad for your health. Especially when you don't read the labels on ALL the cleaning products you use.
bleg.....20hours of work over the weekend.....
Congrats to all the levelees.
quickly unfolds an umbrella and hides under it from the falling mage-bits
A Dajuid sighting! OhMyGoodness!!Are you still in Astoria?
Congrats on the up and coming nuptuals! I wish you the best!
And yes, I still live in God's country on the other side of the rainbow!
I'm on AIM now too if'n ya 'awnt tah chat!
Ya'll have a great week!
Miss you all... Big hugs!
That means we're now well into the Third Administration (in which Kneyejailb took over from Magellan -- I wonder where he is now? :P). Hard to believe we're coming up on this game being four years old, though.
Anyway, the next time Dajuid's back this way, don't be afraid to say hello. ;)
We miss you mate..
Kal’thas looks up at the bloke and shrugs.
‘All I did was try and talk this guy into seeing what he was doing is wrong…and then I get this. ’
With a wince and a shudder, Driden look back to the semi circle and frowns.
If this is what happens when you talk to him about his wrong deeds then maybe you should just leave him alone. They don't seem like bad people and I would also prefer not to lose my hearing at such a young age.[/i]
Well played, gentlemen... well... played... And the rest of you as well! That combat was masterfully played.
And to the DM that kept it all going! Good job ST!
Gilgiga, your eagle post stuck in my head too.
I think the point of view alterations that the animals give a nice changeup to the fantastic charcters the city normally has en masse.
Not to mentition something tells me being a frog of warped spacial perception is impossibly fun.
I guess i will just have to deal with it....And I agree, i do enjoy reading the animal posts.So, please give a post. Do not spend time telling us about your day in OOC or letting me having for this sentence.. that takes a few moments one could be spending posting in order to get these two dedicated and very long time players get back to the game....
I will take the first step.
P
I really don't like it when I get cravings for peanut butter m&m's at near midnight....just finished studying for my physics test and I want m&m's....maybe i can pick some up at a store but I don't want to go look....
Maybe your pregnant... ;)
there now.. I have one in tow. ST if you wish for me to edit I will.
Nah, it was easy enough to work around it. I tried to help move things along a little further based on information provided by both Natala and NaShae in conversation, details that I hope will help in the long run. I added a bit of Tynk because, well, we haven't heard from him in over a week, but I didn't want to just write him out.
(Besides, I didn't have any convenient means of doing so. Be grateful.
)Sorry it has taken so long. It's been 4 months since we all died and a year come December since we all went on that trip..
Bleh!
Anyway, I have to start my make-up work and once I've made a dent in it I will commit some brain power to some input on whats happening.
Important Information Thread thingy... Right above the rules thread
Right here to be specific, but yeah, right above the rules thread.
People seem to be awfully hard on Ulerian
As a player, I like Ulerian alot, but he pushes alot of Boirin's buttons. It just means hes well played that he can irritate me so much.
I will try to drop in a couple times through the masses of homework before the long thanksgiving break.
Okay, I just had to share this moment from Beyond the Walls. Kalthas has just been faced by a chorus joining hands and singing all around him, whereupon Driden comes up to ask what's going on.
:D Thanks alot for the compliment guys! Originally I wrote something completely different but later decided to post the current one for a little humor.
Aramil you are coming back as a Bugbear, and Oskar is coming back as Lizardfolk.
What if it's botched does that mean Aramil will be a Bugfolk and Oskar will be a Lizardbear?
Good luck with all the homework Aramil!
Then I can add them to the attractions at Burleg's Circus of Amazing Creatures.
Shouldn't that be Burleg's Circus of Amazing stuffed Creatures?
And that's it for me tonight, at least for a few hours. I'm off to work soon.
I just wanted to let everyone know that I am headed off to sunny California and GenCon SoCal as of 20 minutes from now! I don't anticipate having access to the Internet while there (or time for said access) so I'll just get to posting when I get back on November 21st. Wish me luck in not dying or killing too many characters.
Bye for now!
Thank you, indeed, Burleg!
I aim to please..
In other news:
Typing with a broken finger is a pain.
CONGRATULATIONS!!!!!
Yesterday Karin ,my wife gave birth to a little baby girl. We named her Thyra
Yay!! Congratulations! :bounce:
:bounce:Congrats!!! :pile:
And on a smaller note, my teachers decided to play nice and not give me any homework today :D
My apologies to everyone else. The next few days are going to be next to impossible for me, especially since I'm worn out from trying to keep up from the rest of this week as it is.
Fortunately, with all of the adventures concluded, the weekly lockdown can again be reinstituted. Oh, wait... darn it. Okay, after the WizOs have completed the prune, there will be a weekly lockdown. I'm not sure which day of the week it will be, just yet, however.
Yes, I'm sure someone is thinking, "In the time it took you to write this, you could have written a post," but it's not true. I will work on them in my spare time, but I can't promise you'll see the results before Monday. I'll try to have something up later tonight if I can manage it, however.
Yes, I'm sure someone is thinking, "In the time it took you to write this, you could have written a post," but it's not true.
Hey! Wait a tic, are you talking about me?
Well for the record, there is a very big difference between mindless chatter and administrative posts.. of course mindless chatter is ok too, as long as it's balanced.. still, I don't make the rules for play by post rping... bah! I'll shut up now
Hey, did Cassius have a baby? He did!
HUZZAH!
Cheers Cassius!Wow heres me thinking I’m drifting off into the archives. Sorry I hadn’t posted a reply Driden. The last few days have been a living hell with all the exams and all the revision stacken up around me. But I should be back into the flow of things in a few weeks.
No worries Kalthas, I figured you either didn't see the reply or you were busy with RL. Me on the other just bought Magna Carta "Tear of Blood" for my Playstation 2 and it rocks! I only wish another game company other than Atlas made it. It would be even more awesome had SquareEnix made it. Hyung Tae Kim is probably one my most favorite artist ever! I'm also excited to try out Dragon Quest VIII. I hear it's supposed to be the number one RPG in Japan, completely destroying the sales made from any of the Final Fantasy games.
That dwarf doesn't seem to want to have our findings valuated. Something about all the treasure belongs to the dead! Speaking of... will they be buried here or shipped back to their clan?
But me don't wanna die
Yea, and Dragon Quest series along with the Fire Emblem series have always been big hits over in Japan, just not as much in America.... Oh well.... I can't wait to try out the new Dragon Quest though, I loved the one for the GBA.
-Aramil
Um, I have had quite an experience lately. My internet is turned off now, I am not working (on medical leave), and spent a weak in observation at the hospital with a torn artery in my neck (Krotic, I think the artery is called...an inner left-front one).
Now I am on a blood thinner (Coumadin) and am struggling through waiting for an appointment that will get me on track with physical theropy. I will be out of work for 4-6 weeks (maybe longer) and am certain not to have internet for very much of that time.
Good job in the sewer adventure guys, sorry I wasn't around to help. Shouldda polymorphed Tynk into an umber-haulk and tore through the webbing, or into a tiny sprite that'd be able to bypass it.
Imagine, Tynk the Sprite flying through the webbing an unleashing a lightning-bolt :op.
But ahhhh, the things you see on pain medication :P ...
Hope all is well with everyone. Again, sorry I didn't check in sooner. I will be around at my mom's house for the next few days, checking in regularly. No AIM however.
(Carotic artery, by the way, not that it matters.) I'm impressed that you survived. (Wait, that sounds too much like a BBEG.) I'm glad that you survived, but sorry for the difficulties it's given you.On the other hand, speaking as a guy who underwent major surgery at 25, it can be quite the adventure once it's all done. Here's to the day it's behind you and one more tale to share with the world.
My brother didn't show up again today. Just as well, because this flu shot has given me a mild headache. At least I'm sleeping more because of it. I'm going to try for some more sleep now and see if I'm up to posting sometime overnight.
Those nurses sure did know how to interupt sleep before my REM cycle kicked-in. Got loads of sleep and hardly at an hour stretch at a time.
Didn't your mommy ever tell you not to play under trucks?Driving to work this morning, pulled onto the highway (still in town,) and a city police officer pulls me over. Apparently one of my headlights is out. He suggested a couple of stores where I could buy a replacement later today, I admitted I don't know how to replace a headlight :embarrass and... he gave me his business card and said I could call him after he gets off work and he'll come do it for me!
And congrats to all the levelees! :D
I was hoping to get a reply up for Burleg as well, but I'm ready to drop now. I'll try to do that (and possibly something for Jace as well) after I've had my sleep for the day.
Well anyways I posted, so whenever you feel up to letting us know what Oskar come's back as, I'm ready.
I'm betting he comes back as an otter. Otter Dunskar and his brother Bearamil.
Unless he comes back as a dachshund -- "Oh I wish I were an Oskar Myer wiener (dog)..."
Reincarnation metamorphed!"
Bonus points to anyone who recognizes the original influence for that rhyme.
I can't believe it.. they are not dwarves.. I hope you wanted that or something similar Aramil.
Ran has brought his young kobold ward here...
I can't help it. I'm seeing Zeppo in a red vest with a yellow cape and green shorts. And I'm hearing Adam West talking to him.
This is not in any way a criticism of the post or its wording. I just keep having the words "Burt Ward" come up in place of "kobold ward" when I read it.
My vote is to buy an Elixir of Love for Aramil and Anaya. ;) Hey, they've both been brought back as animals!
I'm off to the Boarding House!
I can't help it. I'm seeing Zeppo in a red vest with a yellow cape and green shorts.
Not unless he went to see Minto's tailor. ;)
This is not in any way a criticism of the post or its wording. I just keep having the words "Burt Ward" come up in place of "kobold ward" when I read it.
I wouldn't have thought so, ST. But if there are any particular points about Ran and Zeppo's relationship I should know, I'd be glad to hear them. So far I'm just making some assumptions which I hope are ok with the DMs.
Always glad to help. ^^
Backwards Americans. :P
Happy Thanksgiving to you all! I miss you, but life has its demands here in St Louis. I hope somebody's been keeping an eye on the Inn. I may be back sometime in the not-so-distant future.
In the meantime...I have 4 lbs of leftover rib roast to deal with. I love this holiday.
--Maelut
Well, yesterday was long. I got called in two hours early and wound up staying an hour late because there was a mass of meetings and it took forever to get everyone signed in. Normally, we'd have two to three pages for the day, but it's been four pages a day since Monday, and today we broke seven.
Parking was a nightmare. Good thing I walk to work. :P
But I'm done. I'm beat and I'm going to bed. I'll try to get a few things posted tonight, but no promises.
OH! One other thing. With so many adventures finally wrapped up... lockdown resumes. After some conferring, we're going to hold it on Thursdays now.
I'm going to sleep for a month.
*Waves*
In case anyone was wondering: Yes, buffalo does make excellent stock. Although I keep getting strange looks from the other people in my dorm. I'm used to that. Back to the stove!
Oh and ST, I need to talk to you about fast forwarding time, cause there are a couple concerns that I have about Aramil's and Oskar's new forms. I'll pm you them when I get the time.
Still got some wandering to do today. I promised myself I'd try to score an AA on Heaven is a '57 today, since it would be a nice birthday gift to myself, so off I go.
And this one's the 39th, which means, when you think about it, that I start my 40th year today. Also, there's ony a lunar month until Christmas, and people tend to do a double take when I'm in their vicinity, what with the whitening beard and the jingling bell attached to my key chain. All I need is another fifty pounds and a red suit at this rate.
"Nope, no idea where he is."
Closes the basement door.
Speaking of which, has anyone seen kneyejailb since last Thursday?
A little bird told me he took his computer to a friends on wednesday, then got taken down by a very nasty flu bug, and hasn't had the energy to put it back together yet. Since he had to go to work today I'm betting he gets it put back together when he gets home tonight. Hopefully he'll even feel up to posting.
Brandy helps too.
Good luck to you all in the city. ST/Hera/Kneyejailb, if you want Natala out of the city for the meantime, feel free. Otherwise, NPC as needed (as always, though this time that includes taking her on adventure if her skills are required) and otherwise leave her quietly tending shop.
Best of luck to you...Thank you to those who were concerned for me. I am feeling better. Staying out for today, then going back to work tomorrow.
Phone call from my sister woke me up too early, so I may not be around long enough to get anything done tonight. But I'm reading right now to see what I might be able to do.
Well, boy were they right when they said that high school is nothing like university. I'm surfacing from tests and exams ar next week. Sorry for disappearing.
Chris
Now I don't have to be anxious about whether or not I've been accepted or not :D
I'll be around to post and stuff.
Prepare to have your ignorance stamped out
As for me, my right hand is still in a cast and typing with my left hand takes Ages
.My wife and our newborn baby are doing great. I'll post a line to a few pics once I get full control over all my keyboard abbillities again. should be only a few more weeks.
I'll be lurking around
Nanashi might not have time to post this weekend. He apologizes to everyone for the bad timing because he knows you all want to see how Tensek vs. Nanashi turns out. Oh ho ho! Do not worry! It will still be a match to remember but your hero will of course triumph in the end! Oh ho ho!
And hoping things work out better for you as well Natala.
Hmmm well no worries Nanashi usually I don't post on weekends either. ^^
I have like 4 test's tomorrow, so I'm going to give the GM's Oskar's update for his level, then go to sleep.
See you all tomorrow
Maybe next time!
I'd love to make fun of your silly Hair Driden but I'm haveing a starign conmtest with Nananshi which is actually great fun. ^^
Maybe next time!
Silly hair
For your information, Driden has very nice hair. He uses the best in hair care products!I'd love to make fun of your silly Hair Driden but I'm haveing a starign conmtest with Nananshi which is actually great fun. ^^
Maybe next time!
Nanashi and Tensek will make it a contest bards will sing about for years to come! Oh ho ho! Nanashi just needs to make sure they get the words right!
Oh yes Nanashi! Now if only we could find a bard worthy of the tale.
Congrats Levelers!
Minto and Brodda! Both very good bards.
Since I've also got other events going on this weekend, it's probably going to be a few more days before I can tend to other things going on here.
O glorious day, that I may type freely once again
I'm glad you're better CassiusHalf way done exams. I get to go home soon. :bounce:
Merry Christmas everyone.
Ung, expect to see me around here more often again, I've now got the time to devote the energy to properly posting here now that I've finshed of my Eagle rank.
In other news, today I am now 18. Go me.
Things seem uber slow here at the moment.
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A new character portrait:
Here he is protecting his treasure.
"Keep yer grubby paws off my booty"
BTW, thanks Kywyn for the photo help.
Experiencing major computer difficulties at home. I can't be certain, but this may take me out of commission for a few weeks.
Bummer.
Got a bit of bad news from my doctor today, but no where near as bad as I was expecting. Not going to go into details about it, but if anyone can explain to me why popcorn does not count for getting your daily dose of fruit and vegtables, it would be greatly apprciated.
Yeah, it was an interesting post, but he never contacted us first. I'll report it shortly.
Interesting post by ur_lord_jerod, is he new?
:D I just got the mental immage of about half the city watching jerod wander about the inn, then go upstairs. No one says anything, then Driden turns and says to a large brown bear "is he new?"
pheew, I needed that
Well, my daughter needs legwarmers for ballet class. :P :D I just got the mental immage of about half the city watching jerod wander about the inn, then go upstairs. No one says anything, then Driden turns and says to a large brown bear "is he new?"
pheew, I needed that
Lol! Thanks for the laugh Gilgiga.
Merry Christmas Everyone :D
I hope everyone has a good holiday this year.
I know I havn't been around lately but I assure all Tynk's fan out there (there's gotta be one...any takers?) will see him back sometime soon. I miss you all bunches :D .
I will be around tonight and tommorow some. Last time I was here I ended up not being able to say bye. Turns out I ended up back in the hospital with a severe flu later that night and this is the first time I have been around internet since. I am doing much better now, and expect positive results on my CAT-scan in three days. Then back to work and no more being broke, I can't wait.
TTFN
~Tynk
We wish you a merry christmas
We wish you a merry christmas
and a new vorpal sword
Good tidings we bring
To roll 20's on things
We wish you a merry christmas
and a ha-ppy new yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeearrrr
Firework
Well it looks like I won't be able to play Aramil any more.... due to some new complications in my life I won't have any time to spare to play Aramil, thus he will have to become an NPC for an extended period of time. Perhaps one day in the future I'll be able to come back and pick up where I left off, but for now I can't. It's been a pleasure playing with you all, and I had lots of fun doing it. I wish all of you good luck, and I hope to see you in the future.
Your friendly dwarf (well now your friendly bear ;) )
-Aramil
To that end, I'm going to have to seriously reevaluate how I handle things and what people can expect of me, what I need to run, what I need to delegate, and what really needs to be coordinated before it goes into play.
And I still need to make sure this machine is running reliably before I'm ready to do all of that.
Well, barring that, do well with what you do Aramil.
On another note, Cassius is still hanging around at the Tower so if anyone feels the need to get tangled in the affairs of wizards, come and visit us :D
Life's getting back to normal. Hope to see you again soon Aramil.
Hope every one had a good Christmas.
Chris.
Hello. I'll be replacing Mirielle in the near future.
Pardon?
Happy Holidays all. Aramil, I can't help but feel responsable for at least some of your reasons for going. So I must appologise, stupid Skandiavian(sp) dice!
ST no worries, I'm sure most of us know what it's like to have to put the fun stuff on hold for a while when we need to regroup in the real world.
THAT SAID, everyone, now is the time for plotting and planning. Help out our busy DMs and be thinking of short and long term goals for your characters.
P
THAT SAID, everyone, now is the time for plotting and planning. Help out our busy DMs and be thinking of short and long term goals for your characters.
And try to include other players in your plots and plans. The DMs do not have the resources for solo adventures. It makes our job a lot easier when we only have to keep track of one group as opposed to five.
The game is built around players interacting with other players, so whenever possible please do. You do not always get more experiance interacting with DMs, and DM ran NPCs. Sometimes you even get less. And sometimes you wear DMs out when you expect them to respond to every post you make. If you don't actually need a DM to do something, take some iniative and do it yourself. Please.
Bad Halflings! Bad Halflings! No pie for you!
Can you discipline bad halflings with rolled-up newspaper?
.o0(I used the phrase "funny pages". I'm turning into my father. Help!)
Pardon?
P
Replacing Mirielle, not Scheherazade.
.o0(I used the phrase "funny pages". I'm turning into my father. Help!)
Next thing you know, you'll be cursing the youth of the day. :P
Happy New Years.
Nanashi is returning to Had Thansen's place now but if Kneyejailb has something else he needs Nanashi to do he can let Nanashi know. If not then is it okay for Nanashi to run the rest of the night there by himself? Nanashi needs to take care of a few things in game soon but he can do those on his own if that is alright. If anyone else wants Nanashi's let Nanashi know. The great sorcerer is here for you! Oh ho ho!
Ow. No more laughing or shouting for a few more hours, Nanashi. Happy New Year everyone.
Nanashi is returning to Had Thansen's place now but if Kneyejailb has something else he needs Nanashi to do he can let Nanashi know. If not then is it okay for Nanashi to run the rest of the night there by himself? Nanashi needs to take care of a few things in game soon but he can do those on his own if that is alright. If anyone else wants Nanashi's let Nanashi know. The great sorcerer is here for you! Oh ho ho!
It would be very appreciated if you could do those things on your own. I haven't been able to put enough into the game recently as the players I've been dealing with deserve. The scene will be much more entertaining without my imput, and I'm in the mood to be entertained.
)Happy new year to you all. I'm hoping I can return here before too much longer. I'm hoping a lot of things, though, and I have no idea which of them will be true. At least I was successful in repairing my computer.
I hope your new years was as beautiful as mine.
Can't wait to see what this year has in store for this city.
Love the art, Kywyn. Thanks again.
Working a day shift today, which means I've had to flip my schedule, and will have to flip it again tonight, since I'll be back in eight hours after I get out of here. Not too much longer, though.
Poor kid, at least the pieces survived, but he has a strong appreciation for artistic value and it fit his concept of 'beautiful'. Now, I have a portable roll-up style chessboard (not that I actually possess the patience for the game, but he likes it,) but I'm going to have to hunt up another 'beautiful' one for him.
I’m just wondering, since the site is so dead nowadays, who all considers themselves active players. I suppose it’s a rather strange thought, but the character list has seen a bit of neglect, and it seems like only a handful of players are even playing on a regular or semi-regular basis. For example, I gave a rough count of players, and out of the 49 on the list, only about 15 have posted in the past couple of months. Some of those have even officially left. Others posted for a while and seemed to have stopped. Some have put their status on hold. Some of the 49 joined a long time ago, like this summer, and never got to lvl 2 which explains how involved they’ve been.
I’m not trying to bring out negatives here, but I think it needs addressing. So if you would, please post here your status. Right now we have 3 fulltime DMs, and a couple help-out-adventure DMs. Give a hand and sound off.
I'm around to check in most days too."Cassius Gaia, present and accounted for SIR!!!"
I try to check in at least once a day if not then at least I get to see the replies to my own posts through my email.
I've been here from day one with a drop out of a year or so and I ain't planning on leaving yet :D :D :D
Regarding IC play, kneyejailb, and only if my short absence holds things up, Brodda will approach the bar only after Tensek has gone, at which point she'll drink merrily and chat animatedly with the darling old goat, and maybe even tease Grack a little. If things can wait until Sunday night or Monday morning, I'll post then.
Have a good weekend, Everyone!
"I sense much fear in you, young Padawan, fear leads to anger, anger leads to .....suffering"
Quickly loses the green pointy ears, sprouts a long white beard and pointy purple hat
"Now Harry, you must listen very closely, what I am about to say is very important. It wasn't your fault you toasted that muggle, you had no idea you where a wizard....."
After about a week, looks like we have 12 that responded..
Just and update.
*Notes down*
Well, I work for the next four days, so whatever I can get done in the evenings will simply have to suffice.
Yay!
Wow, a Brodda post! I seem to be missing a lot. :D
This one's for you :kiss:
...wait...
...didn't we used to have a kissy smilie? Darn!
I'm here. just waiting. No go ahead to have Kywyn raised. I'm checking in, but stuck. Just haven't been checkin OOC
Sorry.
Shae, Hermy, and Kywyn, you have the go-ahead to proceed with Kywyn's raising. If you need further assistance, kneyejailb and Scheherazade are clear to do whatever is necessary. Likewise for matters at Natala's store, where the only thing I need Boirin and Burleg to keep in mind is that Natala intends for those funds to be distributed into five equal shares: one for each of the fallen (with a share kept aside for Ulerian at the SSAG, should he be recovered), and one share to be divided evenly among those who went into the sewers on the rescue mission.
Sorry, that's about all I can do for now. This fever simply won't go away yet and I have at least one major situation left to attend to this week. That doesn't include trying to get this computer fixed either, I'm afraid. Updates will come as I have them, but for now, I'm afraid I'm out of the picture for at least a few more weeks.
Sorry for all of the inconvenience this and the lack of information have caused.
:bounce: I don't think Ulerian will be 'rescued' any time soon since he was forgotten about until I had to bring him up..., so that lot will likely go to the guild...........
Let's see, 1400 each for the 5 of us... 5 meaning Oskar and Aramil being 1 right? 200 for those that brought them back, 1400 for the rest, less Ulerian.
If Oskar is his own person, then that's 160...and 1166 each? something like that. I'm pretty tired and my math is far from crisp.
well, even though she left the city, Miri's justice will be handed out.
Port all around, yo ho
I'm happy to wait what's another few weeks???? ;)
If it's all the same to you, I'd rather you didn't.
I'll be blunt.
When Natala tells Burleg her intentions, he'll have some major issues with it. I find it hard to see things otherwise, or how you would, but *shurgs* perhaps it wasn't looked at from the dwarv'es eyes.
Besides, I have no immediate ambitions for this character so I have time.
Boirin please do not feel you have to stay.
Have to include every single detail now..
"Three hours of sleep. I'm such a ninny."
She shuffles off to find coffee...
Well they think so, not sure if anyone else got it today before me nation wide, but I'm in the running for it.
What we do know is that I'm the first to be submited electronically ever, so I know I scored that milestone.
Now it's time to relax.
Gilgiga, the Eagle Scout award is a lot of hard work. Congratulations!
The sooner we get everyone into the same timeperiods, the better.
Thank you! I'm looking forward to playing this character! :D
Welcome to GC!
Sorry for the late greetings though. :embarrass So yea...not a good weekend. Two day before my roomates and I were supposed to move into our apartment we were told we could not and had to wait till the next friday. All due to the fact that the current people living there extended their move-out date. So that left my little bro and I with a uhaul truck with ton of stuff in it (from our house in Vegas) and no where to put it. We ended up having to put everything in a storage unit for the week. Then on this upcoming friday, we need to get another truck to move everything again. What a pain especially for an apartment which is overly priced @ $1400 for 2 bedrooms. :raincloud I hate stress...and wasting money. I really need to find a good outlet...maybe I'lll get one of those squishy stress ball thingys.
Well, an update for any who might like ta know. My artery healed up just fine, and I was just cleared for work last week. I am staying with some friends temporarily until I can get money rolling again. It is a struggle to work my energy levels back up but I can tell so far I am perservering. My goal is to have a studio soon, and put my new compter to use (very nice one too ^_^).
Looking forward to returning to posting. I should be able to check in a bit more often now, as I can visit different freinds house where the new comp is.
Good luck all!
~Tynk
Please do not wait for Nanashi. He will think about what he is going to do on stage and post it tomorrow night.
Don't wait for me or Minto. I'm going to be out of town for the next few days to go to Disneyland and a funeral.
I should be back by Saterday provided no one else dies by then.
Hey, a funeral in Arizonia is still a good excuse to go to lake Havasu, isn't it?
I find mornings to be extremely irratible but I can't explain how much worse a morning can be onboard a ship out too sea. Especially this ship...
...I'll be back after I get myself a cup of coffee and fight a fire down the hall.
(My ship is currently in an assessment phase where we fight fake fires and prevent small boats from attacking the ship. This assessment lasts for a week and go's on all day. Right now, I'm wearing a gas mask because of the imminent chemical attack while bracing for shock due to the inbound torpedo which is supposed to cause mass casualty.)
Ahh and there goes the alarm. Be back in a few hours. Later.
...I may have to start wearing my hat again.
...I feel ignorant and unworthy now...Ended up doing left overs for dinner...not bad at all...When Natala tells Burleg her intentions, he'll have some major issues with it.
If that's how it's got to be, but surely you can see how most people would have an issue with him taking sole possession of items recovered on a rescue mission that he was not originally a member of -- and appointing himself sole arbiter of how the funds acquired would be divided up. Surely you can see why that's a sticking point?
I find it hard to see things otherwise, or how you would, but *shurgs* perhaps it wasn't looked at from the dwarv'es eyes.
But did the dwarf look at it from anyone else's point of view? What is the dwarf's point of view here? Why does Burleg feel he has the sole right to decide where these funds go? Who appointed him sole keeper of the goods? How could he possibly think this sort of behaviour is in any way acceptable in the least?
How do you, as a player, justify what I see as such a lack of consideration toward your fellow players as a whole? I know you try to accomodate other people as you see it, but what accomodation is involved here? Do you find Burleg inadequately represented in the treasure department? Compared to some, sure, though he appears to be at the average for 6th level characters in this game. Nevertheless, this is not redressed by robbing the other members of a rescue mission, regardless of the reasoning. If you find there's a need for redressing imbalances, by all means, tell me, because I do have a method of addressing such a thing for Burleg (and for Boirin, if it comes to that), but it's not going to be redressed at the expense of the rest of the team.
Besides, I have no immediate ambitions for this character so I have time.
Let me be blunt. DO NOT wait on me. There are other players who could benefit from your involvement in the game. I, on the other hand, could benefit best from you getting on with things. For three years, I've been trying to encourage the focus of this game to be player character interaction, to break people of the habit of needing a DM to spend days adjudicating event after event. I have obviously not done a very good job of that, because the demand on my time within the game only increases, and I simply don't have the energy for it.
You don't require my assistance enough to justify waiting, especially since I've got no return date confirmed even at this point. You have been provided the tools with which to proceed, as long as you are willing to consider the situation from the perspective of all involved parties (none of whom, incidentally, have said anything about the gems Burleg pocketed). Maybe you have more questions about the specifics involved, but it would be best if you could propose a few ideas regarding the answers as well. I haven't had a chance to shovel out my PM box, so please e-mail me if you have any questions.
In fact, and this goes for everyone, when you have a game question and don't wish to use the paging system, please e-mail all three GMs in the same message. Otherwise you tend to add at least another step for me and with how far behind I am right now, there's a risk that the other GMs will not have information that might be of use to them, in turn being of use to you.
Finally, I'd like to thank all of the people who've kept themselves and one another active in the course of play. It's my belief that most of the game's finest moments focused around player interaction, and that its lowest points have tended to come about when players have drifted, waiting for a DM post and practically ignored one another. (I'm not blaming the players involved. Sometimes you really do want to just get on with things and see what a DM has planned. However, the more you work together, the better a feel you get for one another's characters, as well as for your own, and the easier it becomes to work toward common goals. Nobody wants to be second string, nor should they be, but in an ensemble cast, things work better when people focus first on the common ground.
Granted, there are some things you just can't get around and some things worth exploring on your own. I'm quite impressed with the methods Gilgiga has been employing to create his cloak, especially where it involved a service for a service as part of the ritual. And while I'm not quite sure where Kywyn is going with things since his resurrection (take this as a compliment, Kywyn -- I often find I don't know where you're going with things, but your method of getting there is always fascinating), it's allowed him to cross nicely over a number of paths, which have allowed people to shine in small ways. Brodda, I appreciate how you've worked with the Aramil angle and Brodda's personal views on the matter of life, death, and resurrection. I might have a suggestion for how that can play out further, one that I've brought to the other two GMs for consideration. (I realize that Aramil is going to be absent for awhile, but he might be available to discuss the possibility by e-mail, if it would help.) Cassius, thanks for handling the situation with Driden. (And Kalthas, please don't feel you need to step into the background of a scene unless you wish to. I realize it was a bit out of the character's depth, but you're welcome to contribute in some way, whether reactions, private observations, questions, or asides.) Nanashi... you're an odd duck. :P
Jace, I'm not ignoring your e-mail. I just don't know how to answer it at the moment. I've got other matters to discuss with a number of you, but it's going to have to wait until I've got a more secure connection I can trust at home. (I might sneak into work for an hour tomorrow or might head downtown to a net cafe. We'll see.)
And if I come across as gruff or disagreeable in any fashion here, I apologize. I really am trying to be accomodating, but there's a limit to what I can do. Don't feel you need to be ignored, though, or that you should have to wait before you can do anything. (You may have to stall before tackling more ambitious projects, but you've still got some pretty neat people to work with in the meantime. Why deny them the opportunity?)
To sum up, allow me to misquote a wrestler: Mister, I'm not the game.
But you folks are.
.If that's how it's got to be, but surely you can see how most people would have an issue with him taking sole possession of items recovered on a rescue mission that he was not originally a member of
IC, absolutely, but nonetheless he played an equal part, and was accepted into the group. He should have an equal say, and by that I mean add his take on how things should be divided up not simply stamp ‘OK’ on the first and only draft laid on the table. I must apologize for my character, and this player having principles. Now, if we want to go into OOC, I lost a damn character, like the others, and it was one I was enjoying playing. We spent (and some are still spending) over a YEAR on this little quest, a YEAR RL! I feel kind of roped into bringing Burleg back , despite my interest in bringing him back, it was simply to avoid falling further and further away from the level of the rest of my peer group in the game. It was an option that was made more pleasing at the time, and I must admit I sorely rue taking it. Making new friends is not a bad idea by any stretch, but abandoning old ones is. As we can see being many levels lower than those you adventure with can be hazardous for ones health.
.-- and appointing himself sole arbiter of how the funds acquired would be divided up. Surely you can see why that's a sticking point?
But did the dwarf look at it from anyone else's point of view? What is the dwarf's point of view here? Why does Burleg feel he has the sole right to decide where these funds go? Who appointed him sole keeper of the goods? How could he possibly think this sort of behaviour is in any way acceptable in the least?
He doesn’t at all!!! That is the whole point. The feeling is mutual, and saying he feels he has a ‘sole right’ is putting words in my or his mouth, whatever! Who asked him, or ME for any sort of point of view??? I think OOC you and I are good enough friends, which is what I consider you, not just a DM to a game I play, that you could ask me what’s up. From that post in this thread it’s like you smoothed it over without even asking me my thoughts. I don’t have the final word, no-siree-bob, but to act like I or Burleg has no say or consideration is down right rude. Please pardon me for being upset………
.-- How do you, as a player, justify what I see as such a lack of consideration toward your fellow players as a whole? I know you try to accomodate other people as you see it, but what accomodation is involved here?
Again this goes back to what I said above… I simply was given the very same ‘lack of consideration’ and I didn’t want to let the issue go until I could at least say why I was frustrated. Perhaps this was a bad idea, and next time I should grin and bear it. I don’t want anything to do with it now, and in case you haven’t read it yet, my IC post has cut the tie.
.-- Do you find Burleg inadequately represented in the treasure department? Compared to some, sure, though he appears to be at the average for 6th level characters in this game.
Yes, quite, but that’s more on a personal level on how I view the game. It has no real bearing here. I really don’t care what treasure he has at the moment.
Nevertheless, this is not redressed by robbing the other members of a rescue mission, regardless of the reasoning.
Robbing? Do you really think that is what I am doing here?
If you find there's a need for redressing imbalances, by all means, tell me, because I do have a method of addressing such a thing for Burleg (and for Boirin, if it comes to that), but it's not going to be redressed at the expense of the rest of the team.
I would love to tell you that I want more treasure for my characters, however ST whenever I bring it up you act like I am insulting you and you simply cannot be bothered with such requests.
I can only remember well enough one time but I think your words were “I don’t know what to say to that.” Not “No you greedy little pig” “Maybe once you reach X level” or even “Well I can’t promise you anything, but maybe if you really work for it, I can get you close” …
I’m not trying to rob anyone, or take something without giving someone else the chance to lay claim on it. Just because someone might feel that way, does not mean it is my intention, and I would prefer you not assume it is based on someone else’s opinion, if that is your opinion, then perhaps we need to talk out of the public forum.
Let me be blunt. DO NOT wait on me. .
To be honest I am not waiting on you because I depend on DM interaction, I have OOC needs that I would like to address when you have the time…I have time, I’ve spent enough here as it is.. a few more weeks won’t kill me.
IC, well hmm.. there is nothing, and it frighteningly sad.. and to be honest, until I’ve talked to you personally, I’m just not in the position to do anything further.
There are other players who could benefit from your involvement in the game. I, on the other hand, could benefit best from you getting on with things. For three years, I've been trying to encourage the focus of this game to be player character interaction, to break people of the habit of needing a DM to spend days adjudicating event after event. I have obviously not done a very good job of that, because the demand on my time within the game only increases, and I simply don't have the energy for it. .
Again just to get the taste out of my mouth, I hope I am not considered, aside perhaps for this situation at the moment, as one in that category. I have had scenes without DM intervention, even made off the boards and posted. Now, some things have to have a DM, the game is just set up that way. Like when a DM takes over for a PC that cannot post anymore…
…(none of whom, incidentally, have said anything about the gems Burleg pocketed.)
What gems are you talking about??? I am 100% clueless to what you are talking about, unless you mean the ones inside the magic items themselves. If that is the case, I did NOT remove them, that WOULD be Stealing.
I've got other matters to discuss with a number of you, but it's going to have to wait until I've got a more secure connection I can trust at home. (I might sneak into work for an hour tomorrow or might head downtown to a net cafe. We'll see.)
Since I didn’t make the ‘pleased with’ list, and I shouldn’t as I’ve basically sat there, maybe I can add a subject to discuss with you as well. However, I’ll go to the back of the line for sure.. again, what’s a few more weeks.
And if I come across as gruff or disagreeable in any fashion here, I apologize. I really am trying to be accomodating, but there's a limit to what I can do. Don't feel you need to be ignored, though, or that you should have to wait before you can do anything. (You may have to stall before tackling more ambitious projects, but you've still got some pretty neat people to work with in the meantime. Why deny them the opportunity?)
Well personally I like it when people are gruff, or disagreeable, it lets me know they are at least paying attention and being real...
Hey I love the game, and the interaction with a number of these specific players is why I am here. Trust me there are HUNDREDS of ‘Play by post’ DnD games out there one can choose from. This was my first online game, and it means the most to me, which is why I strive for perfection in my play, even and especially when it causes a stall or something of the like.
Despite being told it was a good idea by more than one DM, I am going to have to hang up my hat on coming up with adventure ideas.. I don’t want to get anymore character’s killed, and do not want to be the first domino in players leaving the game, myself included.
Side note: Ulerian’s share goes to the SSAG???? Justify please. If it doesn’t go to any of my character’s Past Present or Future, which leaves a bad taste, but makes sense IC so alright, we must be thorough, a sour reward for a year’s worth of work, then should it not go to the Hightower since that was his affiliated guild? Just a small thought that I would have liked to add had I been given the opportunity. Forgive me please if it is out of place here.
I have a final thought. The energy I have put into the problem has been wasted on the problem instead of being used for my regular creative genius… ;) But more so ST look at what little time you have for the game now, and how you’ve spent it. I apologize for being half of the source of the waste of time.
Out.
On the downside, I managed to trip and land flat on my bum doing a russian jig on a slippery floor.
But I managed to bring Boirin down with me, so all is well.
Aaand on top of everything else that's going on, both my kids have strep throat.
I think I have Bronchitis...or Pneumonia. :P
ST, I've said it before and I will say it again, no matter what enyone else says, I think all the DM's do a great job and I am thankfull for the time they spend keeping the gameplay on this board going. I'm not rulling out the players mind you but without GM's nothing really important would happen.
Just my 2 cents anyway
Driden and Co. When you go after the glass rings let me know by boards PM.
If the GM's will allow it I'll try to keep you guys going on your search :D
Part one of AcaDec District competition tonight. I felt really good about my essay.
On the downside, I managed to trip and land flat on my bum doing a russian jig on a slippery floor.
But I managed to bring Boirin down with me, so all is well.
Well, my girlfriend just did that last weekend, and she thinks she did really well on all three. Too bad you two are in a diffrent section then us.
If the GM's will allow it I'll try to keep you guys going on your search :D
This relates to a spell idea you'd thrown our way a few years back, as I recall. I'm interested to see where you're going with the idea. If you've got any notes on what you're planning for the other two here, I'd appreciate it if you sent us all an e-mail, but for the moment, please carry on.
"NaShae is his savior at home. She heals him with acceptance, with trust when he disappears in the dark, knowing he will come back. He needs time and space. Sometimes he leaves with drawings and returns with silver coins. Sometimes he reappears with fearsome looks on his face. But always she helps him stand and holds his cold hands.
Don't give up on me.
...sniff... that's a sweet post... sniff
This relates to a spell idea you'd thrown our way a few years back, as I recall. I'm interested to see where you're going with the idea. If you've got any notes on what you're planning for the other two here, I'd appreciate it if you sent us all an e-mail, but for the moment, please carry on.
I'll mail my ideas after the weekend, after I had time to clean up my notes.
Yay Anaya :D :D :D :D :D Welkom back
:bounce: :bounce: :pile:
Thanx guys... now how do I get back into the groove of things...... it's been so loong
On a side note. I got the promotion at work I was hoping for and my schedule will in all probability change to overnights.
So is it just me or is everyone like gone now? I noticed that only a few people post on the boards. Is it cuz everyone's doing email adventures
So is it just me or is everyone like gone now? I noticed that only a few people post on the boards. Is it cuz everyone's doing email adventures
No, no email adventures, I think we're just having a lull.
I miss the old days when everyone hooked up at the same time on chat while posting away at an adventure. It went by so much faster when we did that (instead of a post or two a day). I guess it's impossible due to the time difference and the amount of players we have now.Onto to other news, I'm currently looking for a job for when I get out of the NAVY. I just can't decide what I want to do though. Here are my current options and don't laugh at me yo :embarrass
1. Car stereo installation dude
2. Bartender
3. Bouncer
4. Security job (and not mall security you clowns)
4. Sales guy (preferably something chill like a game store or a surf/skate shop)
5. Civilian contractor (my best option due to the fact that I can make alot of cashola and already have the needed skills due to my military background and security clearance)<---Unfortunatly, I don't think I would enjoy that too much...thats why its on the bottom of my list.
So thats it. I really hope I can find job #1. It would only be a temp thing due to the fact that I plan to goto to college next year. Probably CSU. Anyone know anything about Colorado and CSU?
My computer is gone until I can get a new fan. It's why I haven't been online and I'm sorry if anyone's waiting on me. I can't get caught up right now, but I hope to if not this week, the next.
Hope all is well,
Chris.
P.S.
Why, oh why would my Campus computer store carry fans for Pentium 3 computers, but not pentium 4 and for that manner, why would they not be backwards compatable.
Why, oh why would my Campus computer store carry fans for Pentium 3 computers, but not pentium 4 and for that manner, why would they not be backwards compatable.
Don' you mean forwards compatible?
I hope everyone's been well. Got an announcement, which shouldn't be a great surprise.
I've been quite busy with real life, between work, classes, theater, and all that good stuff. I haven't been a regular player in the game for about a year-and-a-half, and other things require my attention and energy.
Therefore I must announce my indefinite hiatus from GsC. It's been a lot of fun, and I hope everyone continues to make this a great, enjoyable game. Maybe I'll be back someday. We'll see.
So everyone take care, and good fortune in all you undertake. Adieu.
--Dillon/Gamis
Sorry for any inconvenience I may cause
-Zach
GM's I'll finish my notes and send them to all of you asap
So who all is still involved in GsC and who left?
*is in desperate need of and update*
Wow I have been gone too long.... when did I learn to do that?
*points to the ressurection of aramil and oskar*
*thinks and ponders new powers*
He has taken himself out of the scene so no one will have to wait on him. Nanashi will be back when he feels better.Ahhhh...a lull you say. I miss the old days when everyone hooked up at the same time on chat while posting away at an adventure. It went by so much faster when we did that (instead of a post or two a day). I guess it's impossible due to the time difference and the amount of players we have now.
Mmmm yes that was a blast as far as I was concerned
Hi folks,
I hope everyone's been well. Got an announcement, which shouldn't be a great surprise.
I've been quite busy with real life, between work, classes, theater, and all that good stuff. I haven't been a regular player in the game for about a year-and-a-half, and other things require my attention and energy.
Therefore I must announce my indefinite hiatus from GsC. It's been a lot of fun, and I hope everyone continues to make this a great, enjoyable game. Maybe I'll be back someday. We'll see.
So everyone take care, and good fortune in all you undertake. Adieu.
--Dillon/Gamis
Awwww
Good luck!
I don't even want to know what it will be like in coming years when, I am told, a required senior thesis awaits like a malicious dragon at the end of the tunnel to pounce on, tear apart and messily devour the last shreds of my freedom.Still keeping sane for the most part, though (if you don't count the occasional wild outbursts directed at various household objects, books, or dead Greeks which I sometimes indulge in on finals nights ;) ). How is life in the Navy?
SCA too.Geez, college dosent sound so good now. I've got about 4 months left till I'm out of the Navy. Once I'm out, I plan to goto Colorado and hit up college. So do you plan to make a return to GC anytime soon.
Well don't let me talk you out of going to college! And Colorado is a good place to be too. Lots of mountains :D
As for GsC, well, no. This place took a bite out of my high school GPA (it's addictive!) and I promised myslef I wouldn't try to come back again during school. And I don't think only playing during the summer months would be practical in a game as involved as this one.
Steffi: Thats way too funny Eileen. Did you ever enter the race?
Since leaving GsC I've traipsed across the country and settled in rainy Portland OR in order to receive the erudite ministrations of Reed College.
Portland, Oregon... gosh, that city sounds familiar to me... *snaps fingers ponderously* hmm, why does that ring such a bell?
:D
Doh! That's because I live there. And, if you have any inclination, there is an Episcopal church nearby at 41st & Woodstock that holds an open invitation for Reed College students.
Well, that's the extent of my evangelising. Returning to lurking-with-occasional-posting mode.
:P
*returns to lurk mode*
Tahlin: Too bad Tahlin, it would be fun to have you around again. Make sure you keep in touch!
Steffi: Thats way too funny Eileen. Did you ever enter the race?
Me? Gosh, no, I'm no engineer!
No, I was part of the SCA group down there, though. The Barony of Allyshia... I was the Constable :PPortland, Oregon... gosh, that city sounds familiar to me... *snaps fingers ponderously* hmm, why does that ring such a bell?
:D
Doh! That's because I live there. And, if you have any inclination, there is an Episcopal church nearby at 41st & Woodstock that holds an open invitation for Reed College students.
You live in Portland? Cool
I'm pretty sure I know the church of which you speak.
@Anaya: Hi! Long time no see.
Yep long time. I'm still not back 100% cause it is kind of hard to type or even sit at a computer for a long period of time without having the baby lodge itself in my ribs or me having a contraction.
*is counting down the days til baby is born* ;)
Hope you're all having fun. Hope I can return to the game soon, myself.
Just getting caught up and hope to get with it again
I think it's some sort of sanctioned nation/worldwide role-playing thing.
Anyone care to elaborate?
School, my friend. Since leaving GsC I've traipsed across the country and settled in rainy Portland OR in order to receive the erudite ministrations of Reed College.
What is it with elven rangers and Reed College? You and Kal-Zakkath both ended up there. I wonder if we'll find out that Aramil Fletchett, Redrik Darkwater, Tagg, and Tyros Elessar have also spent time there?
Does anybody know what RPGA is all about?
Wait, Jonathon (the player of Joeseph Kell) is allways trying to recruit people for that. I think its some sort of world wide organaization. You level up as you do approved adventures. Also associated with Living Greyhawk (which has some pretty cool content).
http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=rpga/hq/newcomers
I hear each region of the RL world corresponds to some region in Living Greyhawk, so your character lives in the same geographical location as the characters of those who live close by. They have organized events where they play preset approved adventures that are all part of the same campaign. If you travel to another region of the world and attend an event, your character goes traveling to a different place too.
What is it with elven rangers and Reed College? You and Kal-Zakkath both ended up there. I wonder if we'll find out that Aramil Fletchett, Redrik Darkwater, Tagg, and Tyros Elessar have also spent time there?
Hmmm... well I bet that Redrik teaches the early morning classes ;)
*cough**cough**wheeze*cough*
Todays wake up radioshow will be cancled on account of the host being to sick to talk.
Here's the mild-inoffensive-elvator/pop music you listen to this station for.
Harvest Festival
The first day of Autumn, Games, Contests, Revelry!
See the Pumpkin King and Corn Queen crowned!
5sp entry for Hot Food and bottomless ale
Small fee to enter games and contests
Sounds like it's festival time again, and unless I'm off my rocker again, it should be open to everyone to participate.
Talk to them, give your fellow players something to do! Be interesting! This game is a group effort!
Does being a bumbling drunk fool who barfs all over the entrance to an inn count as interesting :evillaugh
Well i'm trying to be intresting...I just don't have much to do at the moment. It seems most people are pretty busy with RL right now. I am but I have little breaks in my time to drop in. Well I'm going to go to a memorial service later today. We have a very small student body for a college, a little less then 2000 students. And friday evening we got hit really hard with a snow storm that carried throught the weekend. Three students were killed in an accident friday evening. I didn't know them very well but I had bumped into one of them from time to time.
Hooray for the Harvest Festival! Though the last time I didnt have to much fun since Kai was a big party pooper and decided to get all moody.
You stabbed a table!
Crazy, this whole being active in the real world gives you less time for pbp DnD.
Sorry folks, I'll try to get on when I can, but I'm pretty active right now, and I don't allways have the mental energy for this.
yeah I’m like totally slipping into the Achieves now. Crazy, this whole being active in the real world gives you less time for pbp DnD.
Arr so true, I find I have little time at all for DnD these days, plus I spend less time at home and without internet. I just don't have the motivation to post anything really.
You stabbed a table!
Heheh you gotta admit, it was kinda funny...in a wierd and scary kind of way. :D
Isn't it odd when you seem to finally have time to post and get really active on the boards, everyone doesn’t? Since I'm out of the navy pretty soon, I no longer have any work to do. So I basically sit around the computer all day with GC minimized and surf the net for useless information. Geez RL can be a real pain sometimes.
Oh yea, for those of us who post often, we should all hook up and maybe set up a time where we can get on chat and post rapidly...kinda like the old days!
Maybe it's your browser?
Mozilla Firefox
Driden, sorry for my slow posting, I'm having depression issues. :embarrass
been having troubles with that myself lately....paying for college and all that.
P.S. I'm in so much trouble right now. I'm an hour late too work and still kinda drunk from lastnight (with a headache). I'm never gonna drink again!
Coming soon a tank list. Any guesses on who the tanks are now? A hint. If you discount co-horts, there is a wizard in the top 5.
Mush mush mush!!!
define active
Mush mush mush!!!
Someone we've seen a post from in the last two months. And with that post of yours, you've retained your position as the games biggest tank.
That's a shame.
Maybe it's your browser?
Try this browser Darkar. I find it alot better than Explorer.
Mozilla Firefox
Thanks for the suggestion, I have been using Firefox primarly for about 2 years. Perhaps it is the time of day since most of the time I can post is in the evenings.
1Burleg. This grumpy dwarf has a whoping 79 hit points and a stubborn streak a mile wide. And with his ability to get on others nerves, he might need all of them.
2Darkar. Standing at 68 hit points, and in a three way tie for highest DEX, even if you can hit this elf, he can take it. And you'd better expect to get hit back. He's also got the biggest aresenal of magic items in the game.
3Hermy. His 56 hit points are more then enough for most situations. This halfling is capable of having the games highest AC and most devestating melee attack when the situations are right. He's also the highest level, and has the best pants, and the ... I better stop before my bias towards this PC is revealed.
(4) Silmarwen. Darkar's henchwoman has the fourth highest hit point total at 47, but I'd prefer to have all PCs in the list so I'm going to disqualify her.
4Lucien. Who would suspect a combat shy actor to be in fourth place with 43 hit points? Anyone trying to go after this Striker is in for a surprise.
5Cassius. Yup. A wizard. 42 hit points. He must work out.
On a side note, since Kywyn's raising and reconfiguring to the battle sorcerer variant, I believe he's got the HP to be in contention too (file) thanks to the not-so-girly-anymore sorcerer hit dice. =)
On a sider note, I've stepped up to a domain name for some art stuff: http://www.spectralcalm.com
I'm hopeful to get back to some more GsC-related arts sometime (Steffi needs a sketch still for starters), this group board was where I cut my teeth for learning character portraits and always found ways to inspire me to draw (thanks for the practice). There's still a lot of ideas and more potential ideas floating around here, though they seem to have a hard time finding space on my priority list (same goes for finding inspiration to post for a lot of people during the lull, I figure). But it's something special that has been built up here, so we shouldn't forget that; I haven't seen another game board community with the type of interweaving, cooperative role-playing function that we've had here when things are rolling. There's value in what we write here, even if it's only for ourselves. We're not writing into an abyss.
I came across a quote about RPGs that reminded me of the experience I've gotten here I wanted to share:
"It can be much more, however. It can rise to the level of literature, provoke like a new philosophy and offer insight usually found only after prolonged self-examination. Through the stories we tell, we can learn about ourselves, the human condition, and, in fact, anything that comes up in the story itself. This may be something as simple as awakening an interest in a bit of history that a certain character uncovers, or it may be as complex and personal as the sudden revelation that we're unhappy with a certain aspect of ourselves."
The game goes through cycles, and it might have a lifespan, but it evolves and leaves a path (proof of one). Omnia mutantur, nihil interit -- Everything changes, nothing perishes.
It's hard to explain to my friends who are currently addicted to D&D Online: Stormreach why I spend time writing and thinking on a message board when I could play a computer version that does so much of the work for you. But I think it has something to do with the effort involved. The same effort that can be viewed as a drawback, I see as part of the purpose. It shouldn't be easy. Art is hard... Sometimes it comes from a muse, but a lot of the time it's effort (inside and outside), because you're taking a piece of your internal self and putting it into the world like a screaming baby. I guess I think we're making art here.
Hmm, don't know where this spiel came from, but thanks for reading.
I should thank Dillon.Seriously, though, although my life is still very rough right now, I think I'm ready to rejoin the game. The problem is, I have no idea what's happened since I left. Can anyone help me catch up — either with summaries, pointers to significant pages of threads, or just a "post here" request?
I would definetley read the thread about your shop, you were NPCed a bit. The Temple thread might be good reading as well. Kywyns back from the dead, and not right in the head. Various Elsewhere, Marketplace, LLI, SSAG, and Graveyard threads deal with that.
Those are the theads you'll need to check on, though there are some good posts by PCs NAtala doesn't know in a few other places.
As for the last thing I remember, that would be some point in the last adventure I participated in, probably just before I headed out of town for Thanksgiving.
I replied wrapping up that conversation. I might do so more posting but the amount and timeframe is unknown. I just left it like it was with Natala, no sense in dragging it out any longer...which goes against the grain.
ok, boss tank out.
Edit: Aramil left as well.
Ah, well. I'll try to get caught up on other threads, so I can post to some of them.
Then again, the level of activity is in my mind pretty low. I am one of those that has lost the will to play of late. Many things cause this, RL and in game...
I think this game needs more players, and needs a big time spring cleaning.
With more players more DMs will be needed too.
While I would love to start over in a fresh community, in this setting or the next. However, I think that would do little without allowing new players.
Another however, if I had to chose between a reset game and the current one, I would vote reset.
I'm not so sure about a brand new board just because I haven't seen another one stick for very long. If the setting is redone with major changes, it'd be interesting but wouldn't feel like GsC anymore maybe? It's a risk to see what would grow back (though maybe a smart risk).
Would there be an IC event to say goodbye to the current game? Feels like it should have an ending. Although there's nothing stopping those interested in their current characters from continuing/finishing their story arcs elsewhere at another location anyway.
I'd give it a try though I'm uncertain if it would hold my interest the same way.
I don't think the setting needs changing. The way I see it if we did do a sweep it might be advantageous to just advance the story and time line a few years ahead. This way some or most of the PCs that are still around can be turned into NPCs to keep some of the characters that players put so much time into would still be around.
Another problem as Kywyn said if you change everything some of teh older posters might lose interest which might just leave you with no one to post and the board would die.
I think the major problem is just the lack of dedicated players.
But that's me.
Seriously, I do think this game needs something to inject some life into it. I don't know whether a reset would achieve that, or drive away those of us who have stuck around because we've put so much into this game for so long. I do think, with or without a reset, we need to get some more people involved in the game as players, because I think GsC is seriously suffering from the slow attrition of players right now. Of course, then we get the problem of integrating new players' characters into the story, and having many of them leave in a relatively short time... I don't know. Is there an energy drink for D&D games?
Oh and my little bro will be around pretty soon. We're still working on his character sheet and it should be sent out to the DM's this weekend. (Sorry for the wait Schez :embarrass )
Tensek's idea is one I had not thought of. It has possibilities.
If the setting changes, it still needs to be relatively centralized around a town, city or area. This centralization is one aspect that makes Garic's so appealing and original. In Garic's we can own shops, be community leaders, etc.. in a game without a central theme, then we are all just random people in random places, and there are hundreds of games online like that. In my mind, that should be avoided.
And at the risk of sounding like I'm really dumb...
Gaya Hoon?????
I don't think a reset is needed. Unless we get more players, it won't make a differance. But, a reset would make it easier to iron out a few of the problems in the game. Right now it's hard to organize adventures due to the disparity in levels. It also hinders oppertunity for interaction. It's something that will happen again eventually, and I don't like the idea of resetting the game every few years to fix that problem, but right now with the limited amount of active players we do have, this would be the best time for it.
If it happens though, I'd prefer it not to be a total setting reset. The work that has been put into this game over the years should not be glossed over and forgotten. Tensek's idea to fast forward a few decades is my second choice. (First being no reset.) We've got history there that can be used to continue making the setting seem lived in, and the retired characters can be used as NPCs similiar to what Daron, Cog, Redrik and Marroc did in the beginings of the game. Not only would that give us NPCs with backstorys, it would allow those that are attached to the characters some limited ability to continue telling the stories we want to tell. (Keep in mind though, we couldn't allow these characters to adventure. And they shouldn'tbe used all the time. That would defeat the entire point of starting over.)
I'm curious how everyone else feels about that idea. And about how they think newer players would feel about some people effectively running more then one player. (It happens now, but not on such a big scale.)
Any comments, suggestions, rants, or raves? Keep in mind, this is coming from me as a player not a DM. I haven't heard from the other DM's about this yet so it's nothing more then
my personal choice of how to handle things. It holds no more weight then yours in setting game poilicy.
I've read this discussion on resetting or changing the game.
As one of the originators of this board and one of the first GM's I feel I have to put in my 2 pennies worth.
First off, if you want to go and change to get this game going again, by all means change the darn thing.
However I'm not sure that it will help. What this city needs is new players, people who will want to make the city theirs, who are interested in the game.
Yes this game is about the players as well as the GM's.
When the players lose interest, after a while the GM's stop caring about the game because the players are not caring because the GM's are not keeping the game interesting because the GM's stop caring about the game.....
Ok is somebody else getting the feeling I'm thinking in circles :D
The point is, if the Players don't care anymore then the GM's will stop caring for the game and stop bringing new plots and vice versa
so yes if you feel the need to change change, fast forward a 100 years or go back in time I don't care, just don't ever forget that this game is all about the people who play it, players and GM's alike
If you need a hand getting things changed, you know where to find me
Gawin
aka Gawain McArcher
aka Cassius Gaia
I am of the opinion that a fastforward may help. But not 100 years as Cassius puts it. For the people that have been here for a while and have a lot of time and effort put into their characters, it would be a bit disguntaling to have their characters die because the passage of time...but some of the characters such as myself in my newly found extended life time I would survive 100 years and still be very much alive. That wouldn't be much fun at all in my opinion...If a fast forward is in order do about 10 to 15 years. that is more then enough time to make setting change and new plots to crop up...Such as right now one of the big on going plots is the eternal flame. Perhaps in the next 10 to 15 years they come out full force and huge losses on both sides. Some of the no longer played characters perish while some don't. Now for a diffrent angle.
If we were to do a reboot I don't think I would be hugely upset. Jace isn't very old but he has still been around for about a year and a half. I have plent of room to grow with him and have plenty of plans for his future but if it comes to it I have another character base thought up and with an interesting back story and huge potential for the future.
But does this whole thing not come back to the need for more player involvement. Do we not need new and fresh players plus our elders still functioning to help get the newbies used to this diffrent style of playing? We may also be able to use some more establishments for new players to grow in. Right now the options are a little limited for understandable reasons. Also another point, I have seen a couple of time diffrent people posting on our noise thread looking to get an enterance into the city. Now I understand why we may say that we are not accepting new applications for a character. But in my opinion we would be better to always be open for new characters. I think that if someone said hey I would like to join that group and they walk up and ask can I join. The group says no not right now you will need to come back in a few months. I think that the individual that asked to join will not come back.
Well I think that about does it for me. I got stuff to do like shower catch up on one of my shows and then ts off for the bed races with me. Later.
--Derek/Jace
wise words,
btw my previous post was not really a proposal, it was more to show my consent with the idea of changing the city
I won't mind seeing Cassius as an NPC in a GsC in ten years from now setting. 't would be interesting to see what that would bring.
That is one more concern, those of us that would want their player turned to NPC need to consult with the GM's to see where the character is going to end up. I for one can see Cassius end up as a master in the tower, but he could become a renegade just as easy.......
If you want to make such a transition GM's please keep the above in mind. All of us "longterm players" have some idea of what our characters should accomplish in the long run...............
A flow of new blood would be nice and all but I really don't think that will change anything. How often had we allowed newcomers into the boards only for them to stop playing within a week or two. I don't even recognize half of the people on the city roster. Maybe if we bring in people we know in RL to come and play. People that we know will stick with GC and not quit after two week. I think that if the rest of us can recruit maybe two dedicated friends each, we could atleast solve our manning problems.
Not a good idea. A large chunk of those names you don't recognize, are people brought in by players. The success rate with that isn't any better. And many of us have already exhausted our supply of interested people.
The other problem with only inviting people we know, is that we'll miss out on some very interesting players with new ideas, and stories. If this game had started with only sponsered people, you'd be missing the entire halfling population of the city and a few DMs.
This needs to be a very varied place as far as players and characters go. I for one think that it is unbalanced as far as limitations on alignments, which takes away a large chunk of any realism this game allows.
No, we should recruit new players and for every 5 that quit, 1 will stick around. They might not be as dedicated as Kywyn, but a once a week post is better than none.
However, this recruiting is a touchy thing, since we don't really know what this game will be in the future. Anyone heard from the guy in charge? Is the game going to change? Is he coming back? etc etc..
Until we have someone who is in at least the WizO's eye the true Admin of this game, this is all just speculation and not very solid planning.
If any one has talked to ST and wishes to fill us in, please do not limit it to: "Yes, I speak with him often." Go ahead and give some specifics.. ;)
I know a long time ago Ivan/Thosar was playing with a GsC campaign location reference site, and Magellen had the gazetteer up. Would some simple site along those lines be useful? Like the teaser sites for a MMORPG or new campaign featuring brief write ups on a few topics of interest.
I think if people had access to a quick compressed injection of info on what this game is about, you could attract more of the players who are into it and deter those that aren't.
I came to this board through the Prestige Classes board which was the only one I used to visit. I don't know if we are getting views from other places as much anymore, since generations of posters probably cycle quickly, perhaps not many members outside of the current players know GsC exists. If we had some more cross-pollination, it might help keep things fresher.
What's your take on the current discussion regarding implementing some major chances et all. If you're ready to share them that is....
We are leaning towards bumping ahead a number of years. Those pc's with long-lived character races could end as 'wandered off', or as the npc for a location. If you have a preference, please email kneyejailb and me, we'll naturally want to accomodate player preference as much as possible!
Personally, the best point of ST's reset proposal, imho, is that it will give all of the pc's a common purpose. All pc's will be part of the same group! Of course, that's still just your 'day job,' it's not going to mean you have to have the same personality as everyone else. Rather like going to the same high school, or working at the same corporation, you'll all have something in common. No more "my character can't talk to that character, they haven't been introduced!" ;)
A little like this..."Coming this summer! The sequel you've all been waiting for! "Garic's City 2" New blood. Twice the Action! Twice the Danger! Are you ready for this new epic adventure cuz I know I am!" :P
I have a question regarding the time jump Schehz.
Will all players who wish to be able to have their characters passed on to an NPC or will the shorter lived races be exempt from this?
As well will it be assumed that any who do not let you or kney know will be killed or leave the city?
We are leaning towards bumping ahead a number of years. Those pc's with long-lived character races could end as 'wandered off', or as the npc for a location. If you have a preference, please email kneyejailb and me, we'll naturally want to accomodate player preference as much as possible!And if you have no preferance email us as well. There are a few roles we might be able to fill with your character. As suggest a very good heroic death if thats your choice. Don't email ST. HE will be busy setting up everything. (And as mentioned, he has no email anyhow.) We will keep him informed.Personally, the best point of ST's reset proposal, imho, is that it will give all of the pc's a common purpose. All pc's will be part of the same group! Of course, that's still just your 'day job,' it's not going to mean you have to have the same personality as everyone else. Rather like going to the same high school, or working at the same corporation, you'll all have something in common. No more "my character can't talk to that character, they haven't been introduced!" ;)
I know you are going to ask Burleg. No, just because you have a "job" doesn't mean you have to do it. ;) It's just the reason you are in the city to begin with.
It's good to hear that ST is still breathing.
I have a question regarding the time jump Schehz.
Will all players who wish to be able to have their characters passed on to an NPC or will the shorter lived races be exempt from this?
As well will it be assumed that any who do not let you or kney know will be killed or leave the city?
Not exempt. The short lived races will just be bumped up an age category. Maybe. The time between now and then is not definite yet, but not likely to be more then 40 years.
Anyone who does not let us know will be dealt with. How will depend on the character and the player. If you have no ideas on what you'd like to happen to your PC, ask us and we'll try to find something for you.
I promise my next character will be very friendly and team oriented!
A side note. If a character's death is a real deal death, not a staged one or retiring, then maybe a certian % of his old XP can be given to the new character if raising is not an option? Just a suggestion.
Thanks for the update you two.
New plans are being born every second :D I think I have a great idea for a new character. I think I'll play something new, like a mage or something :D
Lol!
I think I'm gonna start a Barbarian. I just don't think I can play a spellcaster. No matter what the situation, I always want my character to jump up in the front lines and destroy everything. Even if he has like 15HP and uses a dagger. I realized this when I was playing with my buddies a few weeks ago and I decided that my lvl 2 sorceror could take out 3 orcs by himself.
Now I need to think of something cool for Driden. Maybe become some kind of leader of a mercenary group or even the King of Garic's City!....Bwahahahah!!
:evillaugh Guys, wait for the character creation guidelines, first!The king of Garic's city eh Driden?
You know it Tenesek! Now if you support me, I'll make ya my second in command. I'll even give you a cool title like "High General of the Holy Guard" or maybe the "Supreme Councilor"...or how about the "Grand Minister of War and Carnage" OOoooOooo
I like that last one, has a ring to it. Now if the rest of you want in on this deal, ya better back me up or your all going into the dungeons.
I'll need someone to rule this place in my absence anyway and you're just as good as anyother so as long as you do as you are told........you're welcome
:D
(What do you mean by your absence? You leaving us? Or is it because Cassius is all incapacitated right now?)
:angelhide
No I've got plans for Cassius, even if we're going to shift time
As you will all come to know, Driden will rule the city with an iron fist! In anycase, I'm looking foward to your plans with Cassius. So long as it doesn't interfere with Driden's rise to King.
( huh what, you mean to tell me you really think it's the lords of Garric that rule the city.......Only because we let them, you fools)
Don't worry! Really! You know how much ST loves to house-rule things, and I've been given to understand he put a lot of effort into it during his latest round of insomnia. Kneyejailb will be handling all of the native Martian midgets, and I'll be assigning all treasure. Of course, as always, it's up to you to figure out what is and is not treasure! (Antiquities can be sold, you know...)
Yes, of course it's a joke. (Although, I do have a copy of Space: 1889 on my bookshelf.) For a moment there, I thought you were serious. Good one! :evillaugh
I can't wait.
*bounces*
Hey guys..sorry I haven't been around lately, but I have been recouperating(sp?). I am once again a proud mommie of another baby girl :D . She was born on Sunday April 2nd at 8:55 in the morning. She was 7 lbs 3 oz and 19 inches long :D
*bounces*
:bounce:
Ok ST I think you have gone were no other DM has gone before....odd new rulses....Very odd. But I will see what I can do.Scheherazade, I sent in my submission.
Thanks; I copied it to kneyejailb for you.
Congrats Anaya! Your daughter and I have the same birthdays!
Yeah I know, that's why I didn't get to say happy birthday to you :Phttp://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=623754
DMs, any idea when this will transpire?
But I doubt that would happen.
So from reviewing characters and gettign all the characters going it might take abit.
We're going to be getting things set up over the next few weeks, but since our Honored Wizards have announced the boards upgrade, we really won't be able to get much rolling during the first two weeks of May. So, we're going to try to have the most important stuff posted before May 1st.
This is your chance guys! We are OPEN TO NEW PLAYERS!!! :D
Now, can we recruit them, or are yall planning to make a public announcment somewhere besides these boards? I figure 1 out of every 3 new players will drop out or be less than regular in activity.
That still leaves lots of room to run!
Who all is coming back? Anybody else out there? The DMs know, but the peers haven't a clue.
Sound off
Chris here, doing well and almost done my finals. Hooray! Finished my Chinese and English courses. Sociology exam is on Friday and my history exam is on Saturday.
I know I haven't been around even though I said I was going to. For that, I really am sorry. Both the GMs and everyone else here puts in a lot of effort and I feel like I've let you down.
This summer, if you wouldn't mind I'd like to get back into the swing of things. Hope everything is going well.
Chris.
I'm hoping to have time to play. It's been rough with school and work...I am soooooooooo tired.
I'm doing well though for those interested in knowing and I'm a good bit in now... Wasn't sure I would, but I love what I'm doing in school and can't wait to get out of school.
I've removed a few things from the rules threads, simplifying matters considerably in a number of places. For example, the rules for armor class have been simplified -- damage conversion still exists, but does not apply to natural armor or spells that grant an armor bonus. The level-based AC bonus has also been removed, but if people would favour it, it can be reinstated. Also, the first post of the character information thread has been rewritten to display currently character creation guidelines.
I'm going to work over the feat list tonight, since skills and feats are probably going to be most the most significant element in personalizing your characters. The alternatives to level advancement are being removed, as are prestige classes, but some of the options that had been offered by those are being transferred over to feats.
This might lead some people to seek means of acquiring more feats than the normal one per three levels. If anyone can suggest a method that doesn't negate the usefulness of one of the fighter classes primary class features, feel free to discuss it here. The notion of feat research, similar to spell research, could be interesting, but it's not quite balanced.
My initial thought is that you can acquire one additional feat over the limit at each level, but only at the cost of taking a 10% penalty on all experience gained after that point. This cost would be cumulative, such that a character with 5 extra feats (by 5th level) would have to earn 50% more experience to advance than anyone else. Can anyone see a means of abusing such an option?
One reason I'd like to consider the option to acquire extra feats is because of how they might tie into character experiences, the deals they make, any organizations they become connected to, and whatnot. Normally, this is handled by the use of PrCs, but when you've seen as many characters come and go as have here, such classes won't feel quite so prestigious after the third or fourth person enters a particular class. They start to seem too much like one another, which is something I hope we can avoid with feat tailoring.
Anyway, enough talk; I've got work to do here.
Is it feasible to work the getting of extra feats like it would be for creating magic items?
So the character spends XP and a certain amount of time studying or practicing to get the extra feat?
Or would that make getting more feats to accessible?
I'm quite fond of the idea of training and spending XP to learn feats, although it seems to work better for Metamagic, Item Creation and the fighter feats. I think the XP rate pentaly to could work too if you allowed the feat to be taken at a later level and do away with the the penalty.
I'm just gonna throw this out, but instead of making it harder for players to get levels...
Is it feasible to work the getting of extra feats like it would be for creating magic items?
So the character spends XP and a certain amount of time studying or practicing to get the extra feat?
Or would that make getting more feats to accessible?
It might. The catch as it stands now is that each feat does take a bit more effort than the last one to acquire. You need to overcome greater challenges to earn more xp to reach your next level.
If all feats cost the same amount, however, you effectively have to do less to earn each new one. Things can get just a little bit too feat-heavy. The system might still work if people are limited to one extra feat per level, but it does become awfully cheap to earn a new one.
The other thing to consider are NPCs. If I was to create an NPC with extra feats, I'd want it to be listed at a higher than normal challenge rating. For the most part, I don't want to bother with constructing characters of that sort in an NPC position, but it's easier to justify it when each extra feat costs more than the last one.
A flat, non-cumulative xp cost per new feat means it's in your best interest to aquire them. There's no meaningful choice -- just a good one (pay for a new feat) and a bad one (keep on levelling).
And another major issue in this case (as well as in the case of a one level xp penalty per new feat) is that it would offer more than you'd gain by taking levels in the fighter class. Sure, a fighter can do it too, but after a certain point, the fighter's feat advantage becomes entirely negligible, giving away the class' most significant feature.
By having the cost escalate with each feat purchased, one has a meaningful choice. One feat means you take 10% longer to level up. Five means it takes you 50% longer, but you've been able to gain quite a bit of versatility in exchange for that. Very few people would find an extra 10 feats worth the trouble of taking twice as long to level up, but some might. They've given up something meaningful for that option and might find some interesting ways to make it work for them.
That's still my perspective at present, but it's certainly not the final word on the matter.
Or am I still reading it wrong?
On another note, if the AC is not like in the book, I think the level AC progession is a must have.. Better to not be hit at all than to be hit more oft and it do less.
Are we building super warriors to fight super evils?
And with the AC system, you'll find that most characters are hit about as often as before. They're just less likely to be killed outright by anything that incapacitates them.
Will the Non core feats still be available? I'm actually planning out this character this time.
And are we all the same 'rank'?
As far as spoils go... Can't really comment on that. I can say that PCs will be rewarded for their deeds beyond spoils.
Gilgiga bellows as he stumbles back into civilization. His steps are irregular and heavy, his scent one of sweat and downed ISPs.
Yeah, after about a month the AT&T takover finally manged to get around to fixing my lines.
So I see I've got some catching up to do. . .
Well I might actually have some time now that Pit band is done. When I'm not working on stuff for my Eagle rank I should be able to post here again. Wow, this whole restart thing has really been moving foward. I think I too have some catching up to do.
Well I always liked the AC progression of the old GC. And about the feat thing. I thought that it would be good to have a growing price of XP depending on level and how many feats you have previously purchased. Now I haven't given any of these numbers thought I just sat down from work and I thought I would add my thoughts.
lets say you cannot start gaining these feats until lets say 3rd level. 20% of experience needed to gain your next level multiplied by the number of feats gained in this manner.
So lets say character X is level 5 and has purchased 2 feats by this new system. To gain level 6th level 5000 xp is needed. 20% of 5000 xp is 1000 xp. So X has purchased 2 feats by this system and to gain a third one will take the 1000 xp found earlier and multiply it by 3, comming up with 3000 xp payment. Now if you want to simply call this character a level 4 after this purchase or say that this character needs to gain an extra 3000 xp to gain an extra level but leave them as a level 5 is up to the DM. This character would need to spend considerable time in game, and possible pay money as well for a trainer in game.
Well this is the hairbrain system that I came up with from my computer seat in 10 minutes....I'm sure if adopted considerable tweaking would be needed, The numbers in my opinion are low but what do I know
. Off to the shower I go to become a living being once againThe characters aren't rank and file grunts. They are elite mercs more or less. No ranks for the PCs. At least not yet. Some may earn another title or two as the game goes on. The structure will probably be similiar to what the SSAG has now. With a few NPCs holding positions of command. Players should be able to work their way into that if they want to. If they don't, they don't have to ever associate with the rest of the guild. You'll get a lot less opertunity for interaction that way though.
As far as spoils go... Can't really comment on that. I can say that PCs will be rewarded for their deeds beyond spoils.
I've been asked by the above DM to post in Noise about the issue of spoils. I had asked when the comment was posted that we'll be "rewarded for their deeds beyond spoils" what that meant, because to me I saw, "you get titles but no stuff." I want stuff. Part of the noble tradition of adventuring is killing icky baddies and looting! That's half the fun.
I've also heard the comment that items found on baddies may be cursed. I have issue with that...So we leave it around for future BBEGs to pick up off the ground to use against us? Ummm.... no. Not my plan. I'd rather not be stabbed with the same sword twice. But maybe that's just me.
Part of the issue with the last game was money. Some of us spent all of it on raising people. Some on material things. But it was never enough to face baddies. A lot of fights were luck pure and simple. As shown by the number of people we had to raise or just bury.
Granted it might be nice to have an armory to grab the +1 Longsword. But then there's a line for 2 days before to get the weapon when it's taken by the first person there every time.
I like the loot. Titles are nice, but they mean nothing, really. Not if the merchants can afford things you can't. Make any sense here?
Feedback.
Oh, you wanted more did you? Ok. I guess I can do that.
The "rewarded for their deeds beyond spoils" line referred not so much to titles, as it did towards being rewarded by superiors for good work. In some cases monetary, others in items, and yes, in some cases social rewards. In the previous version of the game there were several adventures where no profit was made for those involved due to various reasons. Some monsters don't carry treasure with them, in some other cases the players didn't realise something was valuable, in a few instances adventures had to be aborted before the proper conclusion, and in some cases expenses were more then what the rewards were. There were several reasons why nobody was rolling in gold.
When heading out on adventures players were not aware if the adventure they were going on would pay off. Some did, others didn't. I know from personal expierance how frustrating it can be to be out on adventure for several months only to come back with less then you left with.
I also know how hard it is to properly balance adventures out so that everybody is satisfied with what they got. How hard it is to equally divide a treasure so that everbody gets a fair share. How to reward without overpowering PCs compared to characters on other adventures. It's a fine balancing act.
What I would like is some suggestions to insure that nobody is left out. How would you split the loot evenly? How do we make sure no one misses out by choosing one adventure to go on, as opposed to another? How do you feel about being rewarded for your adventure afterwards as opposed to during them? Do you care? Will you loan me 20 bucks so I can buy new socks so I can avoid doing laundry? How do you feel about the way the SSAG is currently set up to divide loot? (It falls apart when non members are involved in division, but with everyone being a member it might be workable.)
Feedback. I can't say we will use it. I can say we will read it.
I haven't had my coffee.... :whatsthis However, the gurgling sound over my shoulder is enough to at least not let the promise of stimulation die just yet..
The Loot question Can be dealt with, with a chart... I feel like a manager(must crunch numbers!!!)..
First off, find out how rich you want to let the players get. Then set up a chart that will allow them to each get a previously determined amount. Level should be a deciding factor. However, mission objectives should be another deciding factor, perhaps the most important one. Other important considerations, Activity of the PC, Quality of RP including ideas and party saving actions, etc etc....
Charting Loot: DM Division
Lvl 1
Min----Mean----Max
25gp---50gp----75gp
Lvl2
Min----Mean----Max
50gp---75gp----100gp
etc
What's that? Yes, the gurgling has stopped.. Ah, heavy cream is a tastly addition.
Example: PC1 [1st lvl Fighter] PC2 [2nd Lvl Monk] and PC3 [1st Lvl Sorcerer]
These three all leave the city on a mission.
It's objectives are: (Ominous Music)
1.)Attack Bandits and kill or capture all of them.
2.)Rescue So-in-So Royal's Daughter.
3.)Bring back all of the Royal's Stolen Loot (roughly 5 gold bars worth whatever lets say 75 gp total.)
Reward will be determined depending on what the Characters accomplish(This will be told to them in the begining so they know what's up)
Now the PCs go out, kill some stuff.
PC1 played often, made good choices, and even had some Inner-Posts about his background for our readers' entertainment.
PC2 put forth the effort, but was bland and basically just agreed with everything everyone else did.. Not bad, but nothing special
PC3 Rarely played, and seemed to not pay attention when he did. He decided to pocket one of the Gold bars for himself but without the other two knowing this.(5gp worth)
SSEL(Self Sustaining Eye Lids) System Engaged. Refill.
Objective 2 was complete. Royal Daughter returned.
Objective 1 & 3 were only partially complete not all gold was recovered and the Bandito leader got away. DMs, being able to see all and know all figure that PC1 and PC2 should get about 60-80 gp respectivly.. (Note how lvl's are affected here, and most of the objectives were totally complete.) PC3 already has 5 gp profit, that and the fact that he played poorly to say the least, means he should only get the minimum for this mission.(25gp total-5gp for the already gotten bar'O'gold =20gp)
Now, the reward from the NPC that hired them may be Loot, or simply praise for doing one's loyal duty to the city. Either is fine because the DMs could have added a Gem here or a mundane item there along the way that the PC could sell for his ETA (Earned Treasure Amont). The point being that treasure need not come at the end of the adventure in the form of payment.
This requires some balancing and juggling, and should ALWAYS be adjusted for time spent. I think adventures should generally run about 3 months max, unless they are of epic importance to either the DM or PC. The Loot Chart can be adjusted for X amount per In Game Weeks, or Out of game weeks for that matter.
I did not come up with this system, but it works, and is at least a public one, that players and DMs alike could point to. I guess a form of a check that balances?
Ok, coffee is coursing through my brains now.. yes, I can feel the grinds flowing through me...
*Punches out*
Short version as currently proposed:
1. You're well fed and well quartered. You've got access to prominent ears, within ruling, mercantile, ecclesiastic, and... um... arcane classes, which does mean something. On the surface, however, it's all superficial, so let's keep going.
2. Minor magical support when you get home. The cure spells, removal of disease and poison effects, identification of items (to be reviewed). Minor stuff, to be sure, but it does simplify matters.
3. A requisition allowance based on difficulty of task and reliability of the character involved. This is in addition to rewards for assignments completed. It's a fairly minor amount (current proposal is 100 gp per level per character), but it helps people prep. When something heavier is called for in regard to a specific task, it will be thrown in on top of the allowance. Gear must be returned or accounted for at the end of an assignment. On the other hand, the waiting list to get that +1 sword? Not an issue. Now if we're talking about a crystal ball, it's pretty likely until you can secure one of your own.
4. If you can recover it, you can request it as part of your reward. Such a request might not be granted, but it least gives us an idea as to what sort of items a character might want in the long run. Rewards will be based on the current recommended EL of challenges faced, so such items might be recovered.
5. Cursed items? Under discussion. The other DMs have both declared a reluctance to allow for such, and I certainly agree that such curses (if they are ever a factor) should very rarely render an item unusable to PCs, and should more often than not be of a removable nature. I'm not big on cursed berserking swords, but I am partial to items that might prove more difficult to use in certain circumstances. Again, it's under discussion.
In fact, it's all under discussion, but this is the starting place. I've also touched on the issue of expendable goods, such that those that use them do not fall behind versus players that either hoard them or accumulate items of a more permanent nature -- while not leaving those who meet their recommended wealth levels without some form of recognition. (Yes, it will be of a more insubstantial nature, but that's not in lieu of the recommended wealth. It's in addition to it, in cases where you're working with people trying to catch up to the amount you have.
Note that additional spells in the spellbook are considered permanent wealth. (A similar idea has been proposed for bards and sorcerers, by the way. It's not quite as open-ended as the option for wizards, but still allows a bit more versatility in regard to spell chains.)
So there's a rough idea, not exactly as proposed to the other GMs, and not finalized, but hopefully sufficient to reassure everyone for the moment. If not... please feel free to keep Noise as busy as you feel is necessary.
I do think whatever system is put in place should be one that is viewable by anyone. Maybe a post in the Intro series.
greater risk should mean greater reward, simple as that. You didn't choose mission A because you thought the risk was to great or because IC it don't match your timetable and you took mission B, fine but don't complain to the DM that you got less treasure on your easy mission, ever,period, end of discussion.
but that is just my 2 cents
While I agree with your rule as a DM, that would give the players alot of freedom and indepenance in choosing what they get. It would also be much more treasure than we are used to here I think..
I don't understand the easy adventure means less money part though. I suppose it could be because I've never done that and thus assume no one else has.. I'm just so naive I guess....
Dispite popular belief Boirin and I are in fact not the same human being as proven by this immage, however our returns to the city being at simmilar times does provide evidence for the shared mindlink between the pair of us.
Woot scouts!! What rank are you guys?
Woot scouts!! What rank are you guys?
I'm an Eagle opperating currently as an Assistant Scoutmaster for Boirin's troop.
Boirin needs to get his eagle project in motion soon.
Our head Scoutmaster has given me full beating rights until he does it.
This was the first web beating.
I also hold our troops record for the shortest amount of time between having eagle signed off and turning 18, at 80 min ;).
Guys, I'm gonna not try and jump into the middle of DMing policy discussion, seeing as it can get fairly complex, like city level planing complex (er. . . literally) that and you're probably the most compitent group of GMs I've probably ever seen so you can handle it.
But CG, there comes the question of player induced risks.
On the last adventuer I was in here, it was orignally planed to be very simple, however the party got far more involved then expected.
We went back for more, and even after slaying a demon, Hermy went back again.
Should there be bonus loot involved when it's the PCs actions alone, and not the mission that put them at risk?
1) One of the things I really liked about the way things are set up now is the extreme variety. Hightower, the Avowed, Silver Sword, Strikers, Jackles, etc. There's not only something for everyone, but it seems more realistic and interesting to me than everyone being clumped together in one huge group. To my question: will there be a similar kind of diversity and optional organizations beyond one massive group of mercenaries, which, no offense, seems boring. While I understand how having everyone clumped together would allow for more interactions, the setup that's in place now looks a lot more fun.
2) I read on this thread that only core classes were used, but what about feats, skills, and prestige classes?
3) A rant instead of a question: the name I'm using now is the third (yes, 3rd) one, as the first two I tried to sign up with were already taken....by people who haven't been around in at least a year....and posted less than ten times....together.
4) I'm a little curious about making a character. I read about sending an email to one of the mods and all, but how will I know I'm not making something that someone else has already done? Or at least done very similarly. Sure, the characters' personalities could be different, but I'd rather be as original as possible. Is there any way to see what other people have already signed up to be, or do I just have to hope for the best?
Well, that's all (for right now). If someone could help me out I'd be very grateful, as this looks like a great place. After skimming through a few of the existing threads, if the upcoming setup is anything like the old one, I think it'll be great.
I'm an Eagle opperating currently as an Assistant Scoutmaster for Boirin's troop.
Boirin needs to get his eagle project in motion soon.
Our head Scoutmaster has given me full beating rights until he does it.
This was the first web beating.
I also hold our troops record for the shortest amount of time between having eagle signed off and turning 18, at 80 min ;).
I did six merit badges, and an eagle scout project in the last month before I turned 18. Everything was completed and turned in the day before my birthday. At the time since it was all turned in before my 18th birthday, I could still have my Eagle Scout review after my birthday since that is when the next review board was available.
I did six merit badges, and an eagle scout project in the last month before I turned 18. Everything was completed and turned in the day before my birthday. At the time since it was all turned in before my 18th birthday, I could still have my Eagle Scout review after my birthday since that is when the next review board was available.
Yeah, my review was a month after I turned 18.
But CG, there comes the question of player induced risks.
On the last adventuer I was in here, it was orignally planed to be very simple, however the party got far more involved then expected.
We went back for more, and even after slaying a demon, Hermy went back again.
Should there be bonus loot involved when it's the PCs actions alone, and not the mission that put them at risk?
Ah, there is an interesting question and answering it means I'll have to make a few assumptions. I'll use the same example you did and give you my DM's pov.
First of all you guys went on an adventure prepared by one of the gm's. I was meant to be a simple search and destroy mission. The GM rolls his all powerfull dice, consults his meta magicked encounter tables, ads a few extra encounters for sport, checks his tables again and rolls those dice again to determine treasure. ( We're still talking treasure right?)
Next the DM places the encounters in his dungeon, along with their treasure.
The players come barging in, do a total wipe out but the GM manages to give them the feeling that there is more and when the players take the bait the GM returns to his plot, adds a new piece, humms a few times then sings an all powerfull chord, rolls some more dice, consults more tables and starts creating a big bad boss critter, with corresponding treasure.
The players return to the dungeon only to find it filled again with new, harder to kill creatures, do the wipe out once again, find the treasure and go home, except for one who returns to the dungeon once again.
Once more onto the breach the GM thinks and he creates a few new extra threats puzzles and a small plot for this one character and yes, this does include extra spoils
4) I'm a little curious about making a character. I read about sending an email to one of the mods and all, but how will I know I'm not making something that someone else has already done? Or at least done very similarly. Sure, the characters' personalities could be different, but I'd rather be as original as possible. Is there any way to see what other people have already signed up to be, or do I just have to hope for the best?
Well, that's all (for right now). If someone could help me out I'd be very grateful, as this looks like a great place. After skimming through a few of the existing threads, if the upcoming setup is anything like the old one, I think it'll be great.
Emailing in a character submission is how to get on the list, I think. There's no public character list yet since everyone's starting new, but starting with a character you like and find interesting long-term is probably a good way to go. There's going to be characters with overlapping classes and builds (at times there were forty PCs in play together), but people's personalities come out in different ways.
For some reason there's still a notice at the top of my screen saying I have yet to post. Is there any way to fix that?
I agree with Kywyn, Savar if your still there. Create something from your own mind, and lay it down on paper. Throw in your imagination to come up with a story and write it down adding little bits here and there making notes for little ideas you come up with.
And if you love us at all, make the background story SHORT and SIMPLE! Like, maximum 200 or so words, short!
Damn.
:PAnd if you love us at all, make the background story SHORT and SIMPLE! Like, maximum 200 or so words, short!
Was that a Hint?
:D
And if you love us at all, make the background story SHORT and SIMPLE! Like, maximum 200 or so words, short!
I'll do my best. Did you ever get my email? I thought I was supposed to send you a general idea to get the creation rules, but I never got a reply. Should I send it again? Or would you like a whole background and personality instead of a short theme?
1) One of the things I really liked about the way things are set up now is the extreme variety. Hightower, the Avowed, Silver Sword, Strikers, Jackles, etc. There's not only something for everyone, but it seems more realistic and interesting to me than everyone being clumped together in one huge group. To my question: will there be a similar kind of diversity and optional organizations beyond one massive group of mercenaries, which, no offense, seems boring. While I understand how having everyone clumped together would allow for more interactions, the setup that's in place now looks a lot more fun.
I still never got an answer on how much variety the new version will have. Can someone help me out, or is that not written in stone yet?
2) I read on this thread that only core classes were used, but what about feats, skills, and prestige classes?
And what about that?
Sorry if I seem impatient, but I just wanted an idea of how things would work in the future.
posts like this one..
sorry!
I'm glad you want the background to be short. I think I know the reason, but the secondary effects are that we still do not know each other, nor each others' stories. Leaving it vauge will help us grow as characters in the community.
Hello. I've been looking around here for a while now, and I was thinking about giving this a try. But first, I thought I'd ask a few questions.
1) One of the things I really liked about the way things are set up now is the extreme variety. Hightower, the Avowed, Silver Sword, Strikers, Jackles, etc. There's not only something for everyone, but it seems more realistic and interesting to me than everyone being clumped together in one huge group. To my question: will there be a similar kind of diversity and optional organizations beyond one massive group of mercenaries, which, no offense, seems boring. While I understand how having everyone clumped together would allow for more interactions, the setup that's in place now looks a lot more fun.
Yes.
2) I read on this thread that only core classes were used, but what about feats, skills, and prestige classes?
There will be some non core stuff. What non core stuff is still being worked on. It will not be things from the "complete" series though. They will be homebrewed. Read what we already allowed in the rules thread for an idea on what they will be like. Not all of those will make the cut, and others might be added.
4) I'm a little curious about making a character. I read about sending an email to one of the mods and all, but how will I know I'm not making something that someone else has already done? Or at least done very similarly. Sure, the characters' personalities could be different, but I'd rather be as original as possible. Is there any way to see what other people have already signed up to be, or do I just have to hope for the best?
Eventually all the characters will be posted in the character thread. Right now they are gpoing under evaluation for mathmatical errors, rules splipage, etc. YOu should also send your character to two DMs. Scherazade and Kneyejailb, they will forward it to Shatteredtower. (His concentration and mailbox are more needed for other things right now.)
Don't try too hard to be original with your build. It's better to be original in personality then in build. We'd rather have two axe weilding fighters with different personalities then one spiked chain weilding lone-wolf type, and one dual-flaming dwarf weilder with the same lone-wolf personality.
I've sent a couple drafts in already, and I must appologize for the errors and number of emails.
I've got a track record for making a character in haste, then looking back at what I could have done.
I am simply trying to fix this on the front end this time.
So my question is: How would you like for changes or revisions to be sent in?
I feel bad about cluttering your time, but I'm sure you know what I mean when I say I want to make sure I have the character just right before spending a couple years playing him.
Edit background.
I recieved an email from Scherazade (thanks, by the way), and I had a mild question. More of a clarification, really.
The character creation guidelines are something ST is calling a 'gestalt.'
Essentially, while making your Level 1 character, have the Aristocrat
description side-by-side, and anywhere the advantage is to Aristocrat, use
that rule. All skills are treated as class skills.
All skills? Wow. I would think that might kind of undermine the rogue class, since skills are a big part of their advantage. But I guess it adds a lot more freedom in character creation.
An alignment question; from skimming over some of the old threads, it looks like some of the characters at least flirted with evil (mostly Avowed members). I'm not thinking about starting out with an evil character, but I was curious about whether it was allowed or not.
Lastly, how to I hide part of my post so that you've got to click on [show] to view the text? That's not a very clear question, but I'm not sure how to rephrase it. Like in the rules thread when info is under different 'titles'.
Edit: why isn't my signature showing up? I've checked the box to show it. Does anyone have an idea why it might not be working?
Those skills that fall on either your primary class list or the aristocrat's list are the only ones you can choose from.
I think.. I'm not a DM, so this is an unofficial correction
Edit: :embarrass Meh...I appologize, Scheherazade. Ignore my email; I was apparently inahling something when I picked the feats and most of the skills. The background and all that should be fine, but I'll need to make a couple of adjustments to the rest. Again, sorry for the trouble.
Edit 2: Second draft sent
.I am in the process of writing up a brand spiffin' new character to play in this, but I'm not sure if the character creation rules post is up to date from what I read on the last page of this thread. I'm hearing about gestalt and modifications to the house rules posted on the character creation thread? So I just wanted to check whether there is anything super-major that isn't covered in that thread. Minor tweaks can be, uh, tweaked, later.
Speaking of Submitting.
I've sent a couple drafts in already, and I must appologize for the errors and number of emails.
I've got a track record for making a character in haste, then looking back at what I could have done.
I am simply trying to fix this on the front end this time.
So my question is: How would you like for changes or revisions to be sent in?
I feel bad about cluttering your time, but I'm sure you know what I mean when I say I want to make sure I have the character just right before spending a couple years playing him.
I could say it in my own words, but the above covers it very nicely. Much like the first draft, my last one also won't be able to take the route I thought it would.
Aren't the boards supposed to be down for about two weeks as of next Monday? If so, I should probably just take my time instead of trying to get something in quick.
I'd forgotten how hard it was to make a character that'll hopefully be around for quite a while. Most of my games a few years ago didn't last more than a couple levels.I can break it down from what I know.
Use the Character Creation rules as seen on the boards.
But when you do so, have a copy of the aristocrat up next to it.
Anywhere the Aristocrat is better than the class you are making, use the Aristocrat's stat.
A couple of Examples:
A Wizard has a d4 HD. Aristo D8 Cancel out the Denominator, and round to the nearest 122nd, and your Wizard starts with a D8 for HD! Yay!
Fighter's Will save is +0. Aristo +2. Sprinkle some Pie of Fruit in some goat cheese and spin in a circle three times and PooF!
Your Fighter now starts with a base Will save+2
It basically brings the weaker sides of some characters up closer to others, kind of evening the field I suppose..
Good enough or you need more?
And here's the basic guideline, nicely stated above:
The character creation guidelines are something ST is calling a 'gestalt.' Essentially, while making your Level 1 character, have the Aristocrat description side-by-side, and anywhere the advantage is to Aristocrat, use that rule. All skills are treated as class skills.
Your character is an unnecessary younger child of a titled family, sent off to make his/her way in the National Guard, and posted to Garic's City. A bizarre rift has appeared that is allowing all sorts of nasties to pop through. The wizards can't figure out how to close the rift, so the Empire has provided for patrols, through the Silver Sword, which is now an aspect of the Imperial army.
Quick question: when you say that all skills are class skills, does that just apply for your first class, or throughout the whole game? Let's say I decide to multiclass into, say, fighter sometime in the future. Will I still have all skills as class skills for that new level?
This applies to every level your character gets.
I overhauled my character.... whole nelly.
Now I'm no DM but this is my two cents....back to memorizing 4 chapters worth of Calc 2 formulas
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......Ok I'll stop....Well back to hitting the books . Since we're using mostly core rules, are feats from the Monster's Manual allowed? They're 'technically' core. I was thinking about improved natural attack for a monk. Yes, I won't be able to take it until around level 6 or so (assuming I live that long ;) ) but I was trying to plan things out.
If there is anything I have missed please let me know
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this formula is from Polar coordinates chapters
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Since we're using mostly core rules, are feats from the Monster's Manual allowed?
Yes.
I was thinking about improved natural attack for a monk.
There's some dispute as to whether or not that would work for a monk. The damage increase isn't too bad (1d6 to 1d8, 1d8 to 2d6, 1d10 to 2d8, 2d6 to 3d6, and 2d8 to 3d8) until 20th level derails it (2d10 to 4d8), but only for medium creatures. Large balances, Small balances, but Medium probably needs to be shifted to 4d6 at that point, even though it breaks the general rule for the feat.
If there's a DM consensus on allowing the feat to improve unarmed strikes, that's my recommendation. We'll have to wait on word for them.
And now, I've got to get to work on few things here.
I'll probably pick one of those concepts. Which one depends on whether I want to deal damage Bruce Lee style, or be the Prince of Persia.
http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=623754
There's also a checkbox in your options if you want sigs to show up in every post (helpful if looking for links).
During this campaign, will the characters have a good amount of time to spend in the main city, or are we going to be constantly on the move in the countryside? I'm kind of split between a couple of ideas at the moment. On one hand, having a wizard studying at Hightower and helping out in the National Guard to pay the bills and have real situations to use his spells sounds appealing, but if this game entitles months of traveling in the wilderness at a time with only quick pit stops in town to stock up on items and sell off the loot, my original ranger/horizon walker looks nice.
The boards are going through some changes over the next two weeks, right? Are these forums still going to be available, or is the whole site shutting down?
I think I killed it.You are exactly the type of person we need around here.
Energetic, creative, and most importantly, excited to play the game.
I would imagine that after the big 'switch' has been made, you'll get some feedback from those in charge. Sit tight and make sure you've got your character just the way you want it.
Well actually the boards were down for a bit. Or at least I couldn't get here. ;)
Chris posting from down in Mexico. Just checking in to say that the sun and the surf are both really nice but that the Norwak virus does blow really hard and being quarentined sucks.
Toodles,
Chris.
don't get discouraged.
You are exactly the type of person we need around here.
Energetic, creative, and most importantly, excited to play the game.
I would imagine that after the big 'switch' has been made, you'll get some feedback from those in charge. Sit tight and make sure you've got your character just the way you want it.
Thanks ;) . So, no new posts from 9PM tonight will be saved, right? So I guess the game won't be starting until May 15, at the very least
. Ah, well. All the more time to fine-tune a character; I don't want to have to send one in and then change it yet again. And while a Hightower mage might be fun, I normally don't have much luck with wizards. Thus, I'll try to cook up the first draft of my ranger sometime soon. Then change it a few dozen times. Fitting with the aristocrat image, I'll probably put a good amount of points into intelligence and charisma, even though they'll technically be a 'waste'. Still, with those extra skill points, I should have no problem taking the physical skills I want (climb, jump, tumble, etc.) as well as some others.
Max spot + max listen + elf racial bonus + alertness + skill focus + horizon walker + wisdom bonus + magic items = Dun dun da daaaaaaaaaaaaaa! SUPER SCOUT!!!
Thanks ;) . So, no new posts from 9PM tonight will be saved, right?
Last night. Today is May 2nd.
Question of my own: Are DMG II and PHB II going to be considered 'core' for this game?* Because I just looked at the PHB II preview and darn... over 100 new feats, no reprints that I saw...and the Knight class looks pretty cool.
*a man can dream
Question of my own: Are DMG II and PHB II going to be considered 'core' for this game?* Because I just looked at the PHB II preview and darn... over 100 new feats, no reprints that I saw...and the Knight class looks pretty cool.
*a man can dream
If they are core, are they going to be necessary? I don't have either one, or plan on picking them up. Is it likely there'll be an online version, like with the old PHB now?
With DMs and thier creations... anything goes, so watch out!
If not, then don't plan on them being used. Some ideas from them may be taken and homebrewed to avoid copyright issues, but I wouldn't plan my character around anything from them if I were you.
Edit: apparently the rules thread was updated, making my question useless :P .
Psionics? It is SRD last I checked....
A better question is: Are they in the SRD?
If not, then don't plan on them being used. Some ideas from them may be taken and homebrewed to avoid copyright issues, but I wouldn't plan my character around anything from them if I were you.
Fair enough.
I have a (slightly) related question: does anyone have advice for a fighter specializing in unarmed combat in terms of feats to take etc? I've looked at the Improved Unarmed Strike chain of stuff, but other than Improved Grapple it is pretty much useless exepct to monks.
(ps don't suggest taking the monk class - the flavor is pretty much entirely inappropriate ;) )
Generally you'll be underclassed by the fighters with weapons though.
Also the Combat Expertise route is probably a really, really good idea.
A conventional boxer might start with Lightning Reflexes and Two-Weapon Fighting, a mat grappler could go toward Improved Grapple and Skill Focus (escape artist), and an internal stylist could go Iron Will and Expertise, for example.
For a shoot brawler type, Improved Disarm seems nice to turn weapons against the armed opponent.
If you want to read up on some real world examples to draw bits and pieces from, this is a nice link list: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_martial_arts
@Kywyn: Well it's not listed on Wikipedia, but Kader's style is mainly what some of the German school masters called 'ringen am schwert' (wrestling at the sword) which basically means battlefield grappling, either unarmed against an armed opponent or armed against an armed opponent. It's a more specialized branch of kampfringen (combat wrestling), and emphasises closing and grappling rather than staying at punching range (since punching isn't that effective against armor), exploiting the joints in armor and both your and your opponents' weapons. It's mainly meant to augment armed combat, as it is very easy to slip in and take out an opponent who was good with swords but didn't know his way around grappling, though it is also good for saving your ass if you lose your weapon. Ideally you'd start with combat at a distance with weapons and close to grappling when the opportunity presents.
Improved Disarm and Combat Expertise are good ideas. Thanks
. Too bad the Complete Warrior isn't allowed, as that has some great feats and prestige classes for this kind of thing. Regardless, with some great speed/mobility (expedious retreat) and maybe enlarge person, you can be the party's pocket anti-wizard :P . Outrunning bodyguards and crushing the life out of that little old man in the pointy hat.
Ok. My question.... and I think some of you know what it is....
Psionics? It is SRD last I checked....
We anticipated this one would come up, yes. The current concern among the GMs is that it's something the others would have to look up online, rather than in the rulebooks they've been using. I've got the book and will admit that the system tends to be more straightforward than the magic system in many ways. Overall, it's generally better balanced too (with a few exceptions), but it's still a new system to learn. It's one more thing people will have to look up, though both copies of the SRD linked in Rules and Information do include it, thankfully.
On the other hand, I usually look up spells or skills when they come into play anyway. (Still tripped up over things I thought I remembered more than a few times, of course.) Pulling up that second link is easier than finding a page in a rulebook -- yet I prefer to go to the rulebooks, since the SRD doesn't include the errata either.
Nevertheless, it's viewed as extra work by the GMs, which it is, especially when it comes to learning new classes and all those feats. (Looking up a power is pretty much like looking up a spell.) The system does change the feel of a game if it is widely employed, which is one of the major concerns. On on hand, it would be easier on us to have a limited experiment with the rule set to test it out, but on the other, it's not fair to offer only one player the option.
Okay, I haven't given a definite answer to anything here yet, have I? Well, I'm opening the floor for general discussion. We know you've been interested in the option for a long time, Shae, and we'd like you to make your case for it here. However, we'd also like the perspective of other players. Is anyone else interested in the idea? Does anyone else object to it for mechanical or aesthetic reasons? Does anyone have any reservations about specific elements of the system?
I'm not committing to the system at present, but even if we do allow it, there are a few restrictions that would have to be set in place:
Psionic Races: Though I personally like them, we're not adding them to the set of permitted races.
Psionic Classes: I'd rather not use the full set. With the aristocrat gestalt, most of them do quite well for themselves, because the powers aren't affected by armor. That's not really much of an issue, since the only drawback a psion suffered in armor was a penalty on attack rolls and Strength and Dexterity checks. The real issue is how many classes we'd permit. The full range of psion, psionic warrior, soulknife, and wilder is a bit much. I'd prefer to only allow either the psychic warrior or the wilder, though you're welcome to make a case for the psion. (The concern isn't with its powers, but with the fact that it's effectively five different classes, each with their own discipline powers and skill sets.) I'm not too concerned with the abilities of the soulknife, but I'd have to decline that one.
Skills: No Autohypnosis. I like it, but it's too much to have to learn by itself. As for Knowledge (psionics), Psicraft, and Use Psionic Device, I'd have their benefits lumped into Knowledge (arcana), Spellcraft, and Use Magical Device respectively. It just keeps things simpler in much the same way that the base recommendation is for spells such as dispel magic to work on psionic powers (and for similar powers to work on spells).
Psionic Items: This is a big one. More transparency might be in order for this, though there are places the two systems cannot combine.
Psionic Monsters: The reason I bring this up is because a request for psionics is effectively asking for something that's unlikely to be used against you in return. If the GMs feel that preparing psionic creatures or challenges is going to be too much work, you're not likely to see any at all. It shouldn't be too much of a problem in most circumstances, thanks to magic/psionics transparency, but there are times it might be a factor. Given that the non-psionic version of a creature is going to be preferred for use over a psionic version, can you show reasons why psionic PCs wouldn't have an advantage over other classes in encounters with monsters and NPCs?
1. One reason for the addition of the aristocrat gestalt option was to get away from the prestige class idea. It fits awkwardly in this game at times, especially when you want it to mean something more than mechanics -- which is our preference. That's not so bad in an over the table game, where it's easier to talk things over in person. It just doesn't work so well here.
2. We can't use non-SRD sources, but if you have a feat idea you'd like considered, submit it for perusal. If it's a feat from Complete Warrior, just mention the name. We can't use them, but we can use a similar idea. Just keep in mind that never submission will make it to the feat list, and those that do could be altered by the time they reach it.
(Speaking of which, that list was updated on either Friday or Saturday. There's at least one other item up for consideration on that list, but it's going to take awhile to sort that one out.)
I'm for it.
Psionics Rock.
If magic and psionics are on the same plane for most effects, I think collapsing the Knowledges and crafts together is good too.
There is one thing that really gets me about psionics... WTH is up with all that ectoplasm... seriously, where did that come from? It's something I wouldn't ever have associated with mind powers.
1. One reason for the addition of the aristocrat gestalt option was to get away from the prestige class idea. It fits awkwardly in this game at times, especially when you want it to mean something more than mechanics -- which is our preference. That's not so bad in an over the table game, where it's easier to talk things over in person. It just doesn't work so well here.
You mean prestige classes aren't allowed? I kind of need an answer one way or another, because my present character draft is set up for one. I can change it without too much of a problem if neccessary, though.
As for psionics, I have almost no experience with any of it. Still, I can't imagine it being anymore overpowered than a lot of core wizard builds can be. I won't be playing one myself, but I don't have any problem with someone else doing so. It might even be a nice change of pace for another character to have some powers I'm not familiar with, since I've at least dabbled in all of the 3.5 core classes (disregarding the new ones in the PHBII).
Where can I read up on psionics so I can make a more informed decision? Also are we saving this discussion because when the new boards come in to play this will all be lost since it started after May 1st.
http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=d20/article/srd35
If you take a look at this pdf, I think it shows an example of a campaign with a historical feel where psionic classes are integrated well into the mix (maybe because of the renaming of classes).
I guess ectoplasm has some links to psychics and mediums (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ectoplasm)
I do realize that some people don't like the class, but then I really don't like paladins and I don't complain about them being in the games. :P ;)
I think it adds a different flavor that spellcasters don't have. Whatever you guys decide is ok. I just like the differences they have.
If there are a fair number of people who would want to then I think it would be worth offering the option.
2. We can't use non-SRD sources, but if you have a feat idea you'd like considered, submit it for perusal. If it's a feat from Complete Warrior, just mention the name. We can't use them, but we can use a similar idea. Just keep in mind that never submission will make it to the feat list, and those that do could be altered by the time they reach it.
What I'm mostly interested in is either a feat that allows one to attack with larger weapons such as a longsword while grappling and/or that helps grappling against armored opponents. I'm not sure if there are such feats out there but I shall take a look round. If not, well perhaps I could come up with something and submit it. But that's all in the future still
I'm ambivalent about psionics. On the one hand, the psionics system seems to be well internally balanced with itself; on the other, it's hard to say quite where it comes in balance wise with the core rules, largely because the mechanics are very different from anything in Core. And again on the one hand I've never really felt that the flavor of psionics integrates well with a sword and sorcery or knights and wizards style (I've always seen it as more at home in a futuristic setting), but on the other hand I know a lot of people don't necessarily play that way anyway. So I guess I'm on the fence... someone push me... ;)
There is one thing that really gets me about psionics... WTH is up with all that ectoplasm... seriously, where did that come from? It's something I wouldn't ever have associated with mind powers.
Heh, the beef that I've seen with psionics not meshing with Sword and Sorcery is a common one, and I really think comes down to the DM.
For example if you constantly refer to powers like a wizards calls his spells then yes, it really doesn't seem to fit well at all.
However we've always just kinda played it like powers are something your charcter just does.
My Kalishtar Psi Warrior in Eberron never called his power "expansion" he just grew bigger (or moved so fast he took up all that area) and he never used Animal Affinity he just grew stronger, faster, tougher, wtc.
Kinda like how a fighter would never call a power attack a power attack.
As for not balanced aganst non psionic, the only reall problem is touch ACs. Psions have a lot more, touch baised powers, and they can get a lot more potent then their arcane conuterparts. Generally the psion can drop Dragons a lot faster then a wizard by going straight through the damage route (see Crystal Shard).
However the psion's save or die powers are a lot weaker then the magical versions of the spell, so thats the tade off there.
Psions going "nova" is also a scary thing. If a psion wants they can really burn up all their power points and shread things a lot faster then a sorcerer dropping all his spells per day. However the psion is really lame once he's out of powers, so that's up to the DMs handleing of the problem.
Ectoplasm? I blame Ghostbusters!
I'd be pro psionics in Garics mostly because I like the idea of role-playing one. Given the option I might drop the cleric I've been building for a psion, though I would have to steal Gilgiga's book (I find it difficult to curl up with my moniter).
However the psion's save or die powers are a lot weaker then the magical versions of the spell, so thats the tade off there.
Yeah but its so much more classy. Nothing quite like decerebriate, removing someone's brain from their skull Idiana Jones and the Temple of Doom style.
Psions going "nova" is also a scary thing. If a psion wants they can really burn up all their power points and shread things a lot faster then a sorcerer dropping all his spells per day. However the psion is really lame once he's out of powers, so that's up to the DMs handleing of the problem.
Heh. Plus you can't shut them down effectively... no grappling! Personal interests come to the fore! ;)
Ectoplasm? I blame Ghostbusters!
Probably true. Who do we blame for psicrystals? ;)
Actually those are the two things I dislike most about the system, the slime and the crystals. Other than that it's not bad.
You mean prestige classes aren't allowed?
That is what I mean, yes.
What I'm mostly interested in is either a feat that allows one to attack with larger weapons such as a longsword while grappling and/or that helps grappling against armored opponents.
Hmm. The former is certainly an interesting idea for a feat. I'll work on it. I'm a bit confused about what it is you're looking from with the latter, however, since grapple checks ignore armor entirely. Initiating a grapple requires a touch attack, while doing further damage involves an opposed grapple check.
You mean it's not enough that I want it? :P
It was enough to put it on the table for discussion. How's that? ;)
I do realize that some people don't like the class, but then I really don't like paladins and I don't complain about them being in the games. :P ;)
True, but the reservation isn't about dislike of the class here. It's about adding a fairly elaborate mechanic to the game, which can be a bit overwhelming to some of the GMs if it sees extensive use.
On the other hand, I've seen several players express an interest in the option since yesterday, even those who don't wish to take it at this time. I find that combination reassuring, because it implies that there are more than a few people who are familiar enough with the system to assist the GMs in handling (and learning) specifics of psionics. Those of you familiar with psionics but not running a psionic character are likely going to be asked for assistance any time there's an issue that could call for adjudication.
(In fact, we might be calling for such assistance more often even when no psionics are involved. Sometimes, it makes things run more quickly and more smoothly.)
I think it adds a different flavor that spellcasters don't have. Whatever you guys decide is ok. I just like the differences they have.
This is true. I notice there are reservations to the display of ectoplasmic seepage from the astral plane. I know people think of Ghostbusters in this regard, though the display only lasts a round, but if you wanted an alternative material display, what would you suggest? The displays exist for balance purposes, and certain powers call for more than one display for the same reason.
As for crystals, I realize that many people feel they don't work for many models people have of psionic characters. Not everyone wants an Atlantean model. Of course, if we go for just the wilder, the decision to play to such a concept is up to the specific player.
Then again, using a combination of two feats to charge up a single unarmed or ranged attack for more damage isn't excessive, especially when you need to make a Concentration check beforehand. A number of the feats give one monklike abilities, but they're balanced out by the need to maintain (and sometimes expend) a psionic focus. Since a monk can use them for an additional boost, none of them exceed the monk's abilities, and few of them can be used more than one at a time, they're not an unreasonable set of boosts.
Thoughts?
But you know me; I can’t keep my mouth shut…
While I don’t really have a problem with this change, I do have issue with the need for it. I certainly don’t want to begrudge NaShae’s inquiry about it, since she’s wanted to play one since Garic’s began. However, it does seem like a major change, when other minor ones were not allowed in the past.
At times I have requested or simply asked about non core feats and ideas, and due to one reason or another, they were never allowed, or allowed but with stipulations(Which for the record is ok, not complaining or being a hard case). Some were new spells not part of the SRD, or feats that I would have liked to more customize my character beyond what I thought the current SRD rules could provide. I know, a bit greedy on my part. However, it was never a power or balance issue, and my intentions were simply for color or flavor. I do realize that allowing one person means everyone would have to be allowed, and so that is a factor as well. The means were there for new spells, new meaning non-SRD ones that existed elsewhere, one could research these, but in a game with such a low treasure value, this was less than feasible.
I don’t know, I guess my concern, which may not even apply, is that getting a new or non-SRD level 1 spell, just one, was so hard to do. Now we are talking about adding in an entire new class, with new feats, and abilities, that may, or may not change the dynamics of the game.
My question is again, do we really need it?
Perhaps my focus is too self serving and therefore should be disregarded. Well you asked for feedback, and there is mine. I suppose my problem is not with allowing Psionics but with not allowing other things first, or at the same time...am I coming through clearly?
OH CAN WE HAVE FAMILIARS AT LEVEL 1 SINCE WE ARE RICH?!?!?!!?
I put Kader on Kywyn's art thread for anyone who's interested. Man, it took forever to find reference photos. I am too much of a perfectionist. I shoulda just gone with some random guy :embarrass
That's cool, maybe save that post somewhere so you can repost it when the threads are reset?
The wrestling at the sword sounds like a cool idea. I think I've read a little about it before, but it would be interesting to see acted out, using the grapple action to use an opponent's weapon to attack him.
OH CAN WE HAVE FAMILIARS AT LEVEL 1 SINCE WE ARE RICH?!?!?!!?
Just deduct the 100 gp cost from your starting gold, leaving you 170 gp, and you're set to go.
EDIT: I just noticed this account was still connected to an e-mail address I haven't used for six months or so. I got the current one in my profile now.
When I think about D&D, I think about warriors, wizards, and thieves. A psionic dude doesn't seem to fit in a world with swords and magic. Atleast not in the books that I read...
Neither do monks, IMO.
As for your argument Harou, it seems you're only against it because you couldn't have non-SRD things in the last game. That was part of the rules. No non-SRD unless we modify it.
That doesn't apply here, Psionics is SRD.
The real question here is do we need anything? Why don't we all play fighters? Or that lone-wolf type? We don't really need diversity, do we?
What I'm seeing from you is this argument, "I haven't been allowed to characterize my character to the extent I want, even though it's been explained why. Until I get that, I don't want you to be allowed to characterized yours to the extent you want to. Even though the why's for me, don't apply for you."
I mentioned before that I'm leaving it up to the GMs, since it is more work for them. I have been waiting a long time for the complete SRD to open up for play, but you never heard me whining about wanting stuff from complete....or equipment from that book... or feats from FR. The only feat I asked for that was not SRD was purely a RP situation. It helped nobody really.
I'm not trying to make my character more powerful than anyone. I'm even willing to forgo all but the money for Aristocrat. I'm trying to add flavor.
Again, if the GMs choose no, this will be the last you hear about it. Until the next restart, that is. ;) :P
Psionics = magic. A rose by any other name, and all that. In fact, if you ignore the non-high fantasy names of powers, the mechanical side of psionics in D&D is much closer to the general concepts of magic in fantasy literature than the mechanical side of D&D magic. Vancian magic is a concept that's really only used in (some of) Jack Vance's novels, and maybe there are some others here and there that use something like it, but on the whole the entire spell slots/preparation/memorization schtick is quite atypical. Besides, 90% of the psionic powers have a spell analogue and the remaining 10% could have. The flavour-don't-fit argument just doesn't fly, IMO (it doesn't for monks either, while I'm on the subject).
My char proposal is a bard who doesn't perform. He'll have ranks in Perform (max ranks, no less, and in two Performances), but he won't perform for money. He won't call himself a bard and most of the other characters will probably consider him a sorcerer (or even a priest or shaman), but he'll still have nothing but bard levels and he'll use all the bardic abilities. Just look past the name and it's all good.
ST pretty much summed up the main arguments: some people are interested, which is a good enough reason to incorporate psionics, but at the same time doing so will probably require a lot of effort on the DMs' behalf. The only real question is whether it's worth that effort or not.
So citing that as a popular universe with the vancian system is kinda self recurring.
My beef with psionics is; do we really need it?
What can you do with psionics flavorwise that you can't with normal magic?
Usually my question is aimed the other direction however. Seeing as I prefer the psionic system to normal magic.
...I prefer the psionic system to normal magic.
Then why are you arguing? Hush! :P
Just deduct the 100 gp cost from your starting gold, leaving you 170 gp, and you're set to go.
Wait we have extra starting gold? I only used fighter gold.
Time to see what's up with Kader's equipment.
My beef with psionics is; do we really need it?
What can you do with psionics flavorwise that you can't with normal magic?
I don't think the flavor is going to come from the mechanics. I think the flavor will come from the players and the mechanics will allow them to be successful, which seems to me to be what Garic's is all about.
The extra psionic classes may allow people to have both the power they'd like and the role-playing aspect they crave. Becoming more powerful seems to be intrinsically part of role-playing games. I want to play great heros and dastardly villians because it provides actual escapism, while Jo Blog role-playing is just death and taxes.
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But thats just my self-absorbed player side talking. My inner DM would tell me KISS.
I don't think the flavor is going to come from the mechanics. I think the flavor will come from the players and the mechanics will allow them to be successful, which seems to me to be what Garic's is all about.
The extra psionic classes may allow people to have both the power they'd like and the role-playing aspect they crave. Becoming more powerful seems to be intrinsically part of role-playing games. I want to play great heros and dastardly villians because it provides actual escapism, while Jo Blog role-playing is just death and taxes.
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But thats just my self-absorbed player side talking. My inner DM would tell me KISS.
That's why I really liked Warhammer FRP, it's kinda like accountants and bakers go to war.
It's just a different style of esacpism, whereas playing as Connan or Rapscallian gives you a power trip. Playing as the local rat hunter, someone more like us everyday joes, and then throwing him into situations way over his head creates an entirely different connection.
Whatever, I'm not going to argue with you, I just like the idea getting somewhere with a character. Even in WFRP you probably will be pretty awesome sooner or later. I mean, look at Wolfgang
Sometimes you just wind up as Wizard Witchhunter Assasains, but make them work for it, like Wolfgang did.
I don't think the flavor is going to come from the mechanics. I think the flavor will come from the players and the mechanics will allow them to be successful, which seems to me to be what Garic's is all about.
Both true and untrue. On the one hand a lot of classes are extremely versatile - a fighter, for example, can represent a samurai, a knight, or a Greek hoplite just fine. On the other end of the spectrum are the monk and such, whose special abilities such as ki are keyed to a very specific idea of (mystical) martial arts drawing from Eastern (and to a small extent Western ascetic) traditions. Psionics IMO falls somewhere in between, it's more adaptable than monks or rangers I think but still somewhat less so than the broad classes like fighter, rogue, sorcerer. At least for classes like the psion and wilder, the class isn't hamstrung by the flavor. Soulknife... I don't see a need for that class. Psychic Warrior I'm undecided on - its basically just a fighter-psion multiclass writ into one class. It would probably be better served in this game by a psion-aristocrat straight gestalt.
But as for the more basic psionic classes... I figure there is room. I vote to include them
I want to play great heros and dastardly villians because it provides actual escapism, while Jo Blog role-playing is just death and taxes.
At least it's someone else's death (and taxes ;) ).
Edit: "I haven't been allowed to characterize my character to the extent I want, even though it's been explained why. Until I get that, I don't want you to be allowed to characterized yours to the extent you want to. Even though the why's for me, don't apply for you."
But I didn't say that.. In fact I said the opposite.
If it's allowed, cool beans, I'll not gripe one bit nor will I expect anything because of it. I will say this, I was talking about a couple of feats or spells to customize my character further, not classes, feats, powers, etc.. that's it.
2nd Edit: However I was speaking of something that would be applied to everyone and be harder to regulate or control. In the long run it might have been more work than putting in the full SRD. So there is that. ;)
Char proposal will be in the mail in 5 seconds.
2nd Edit: However I was speaking of something that would be applied to everyone and be harder to regulate or control. In the long run it might have been more work than putting in the full SRD. So there is that. ;)
I admit that's a very good point, though there are two ways from which to look at it. In an effort to weigh both possibilities (or the two extremes), I'll be reviewing the rest of the SRD.
In the meantime, the reservations and the interests are noted. I'm waiting for further word from the other GMs now.
And I believe I got through my weekend.
*runs off to post in the art thread*
No pressure or hurry or anything, I am just curious.
Also I am now AIM contactable. I don't have any other instant messengers other than AIM; should I get stuf flike MSN or Yahoo too, or will AIM be sufficient?
. On a note of beginning, does anyone know where I could find the very first few threads from when these boards started? I'm assuming they were deleated, but I was hoping they might have been saved somewhere. I was just interested in seeing how the game got going. Was there one thread for everyone, like Outside the Walls, where a whole group of people met up while entering the city, or were there as many different threads as there are now? Did everyone just kind of mill around doing their own thing until they bumped into someone else?
Just curious.
If you want some I can e-mail a few to you just send me an e-mail(with a very clear subject).
Elobi Anchors, reporting for duty.
If memory serves, the game started with a few basic threads immediately in place and others were added as they became necessary. I started a couple of weeks late though, so I might be off on that.
This is going to be fun :D . I'm still skimming the adventure threads to see what the game will be like. Hopefully those will hold me over until the real thing starts.
As to what the game was like in the beginning: There was a lot of hanging out at the Last Lich. Sure, Kywyn loittered in the graveyard a lot trying to contact the Avowed, and Treble hung around in the Palace waiting for... I'm not exactly sure, but he really did wait for it, but otherwise most of the action was in the LLI.
When new players joined up, that's where they tended to gravitate to. Beyond the Walls, and Elsewhere in Garics were late additions to the game. I think the original threads were Last Lich Inn, The Strikers, The Graveyard. The Marketplace, The Palace, and the Guard Chapterhouse. Might have been one or two others, but those six were where all the action was for the first month or two.
And there were several character-run shops in the early days; it was encouraged, at that point. NMS started a week into things, and is the only one that lasted more than a month.
The SSAG was founded no more than a month into the game, when the head DM and the man playing the NPC captain of the guard realized they were going to be at odds with what the DM wanted to happen versus how the player wanted to play the character, so they decided it was best to install a real NPC captain and have the player-run NPC, Daron Haldar, found an adventurer's guild.
And then came the Night of the Shadows, and everything went BOOM! :P
And then came the Night of the Shadows, and everything went BOOM! :P
BOOM! is such an instantaneous and direct term for the Night-That-Wouldn't-End. ;)
BOOM! is such an instantaneous and direct term for the Night-That-Wouldn't-End. ;)
I am most curious.I agree that it would suck to not be able to play, but it does sound like fun to get everyone in the city involved in one 'adventure'. Also, is the current way of keeping time still going to be used? Like you said, it's not much fun finding out that you're a week or two ahead of everyone else and having to wait around.
Edit: Arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh! :headexplo . I just noticed that the updates are being rescheduled....four days before they were supposed to be finished!
I understand that the updates are a lot of work, but why couldn't they have just extended the current deadline? Why change it entirely?Getting everyone in the city involved in a single adventure probably would be fun, on two conditions: firstly that everyone in the city is everyone period - no PCs that remain uninvolved, unless of course the player has warned the DMs that he or she will be unable to play for a while - and secondly that the PCs are grouped in manageable parties - a dozen or more PCs in one group becomes unplayable, because there's too much waiting around for everyone to get to do their share.
I assume the current way for keeping track of time will be used in the future as well (although obviously the DMs have the final say), but I can assure you that having to wait around because you've gotten too far ahead of the timeline is not something that happens often. Besides, you can often fill that time with long conversations or other forms of roleplaying, so it's not a big deal.
Anywho, bedtime for me. Later, everyone.
*SNIP* - I think Daron was the only one with a magical weapon at the time - *SNIP*
The DM who started teh thing actually gave Treble some magic arrows AND a magic spear. :D
The demon rift concept certainly allows for that...
There should really be an 'impatient' smiley. I will personally hand copy every post in every thread so they won't be lost if it means this thing can start before the boards update. Assuming that's what everyone is waiting on, that is.
Ah, well....*shrugs*. I'm off to read more of the old threads.
Didn't someone mention that everyone was way under equipped in the last game? Something about dozens of ressurections per character.
It was a low treasure game from what I could see. Most players didn't get a magic item until they were level 6 if not further on.
I didn't notice too too many resurrections but if you look in the census, there were alot of PC deaths.
As for ressurections we have had to bring back...
Kywyn, Aramil/Oskar, Jace, Natala, Daron, Ivan(does he count?), Arnor, Anaya, Ulerian.
9 resurrections out of 39 deaths. Alot of Deaths can also be contributed to a player leaving the game or just getting bored with the character he or she was playing.
Very few actual players who have been around from the beginning aside from Arnor and Myself have been running teh same character for teh entire time. So teh ratio of resurrections to deaths is not really that high which should be right in any game. No one should be able to afford to bring back someone multiple times. As well accounting that half of teh resurrections have been brought about by a DM and not actually paid for by otyher players, it's half as bad. As well as in my eyes, most of teh other deaths were probably unavoidable in the situations they happened...
Kywyn, Aramil/Oskar, Jace, Natala, Daron, Ivan(does he count?), Arnor, Anaya, Ulerian.
9 resurrections out of 39 deaths.
That is 10 resurrections.
On the topic of treasure, I don't mind if there is a bit less than in a normal Dnd game (there is *quite* a lot in normal Dnd, and to me at least it strains believability a little... why would anyone ever become something like a porter or a caravan guard for 1 sp a day when the average 1st level goblin warrior seems to carry like 50 gp worth of things?). On the other hand never getting treasure takes the fun out of qdventuring, at least partially... part of the fun of a Dnd character is getting to that big shiny heap of gold and magic stuff at the bottom of the dungeon IMO.
It was a low treasure game from what I could see. Most players didn't get a magic item until they were level 6 if not further on.
Yeah, my character Boirin, was level 9 and his most potent magical item was a potion of invisibility.
Oh well some rogues have all the luck. :P
Mystical Talent
General
You can put more energy into your spells than would normally be possible for one of your ability.
Prerequisites: 4 ranks in Spellcraft
Benefit: Select one spellcasting class in which you are a member. You cast spells at a level equal to the number of ranks you have in the appropriate Knowledge skill -3 or your class level, whichever is higher. The appropriate Knowledge skill is (arcane) for bards, sorcerers, and wizards, (nature) for druids and rangers, and (religion) for clerics and paladins.
Special: You can select this feat multiple times. Its effects do not stack. Each time you select Mystical Talent, it applies to your new spellcasting class. A bard with Mystical Talent uses song of freedom as though it was a bard spell for determining caster level.
Now, does taking this feat mean that you can cast spells at your level for the purpose of enhancing spells, such as duration and bonuses to damage (which I'm assuming it does) or does it mean that you can actually get spells as though all your levels were in that one class? Example: 19th level barbarian takes one level of wizard and this feat; does it mean he's casting 0 and 1st level spells as though they were 20th level, or is he casting 0-9th level spells as though he was a 20th level wizard? That seems a little ridiculous, but I thought I'd clarify.
Mystic Insight
General
Your talent for spells allows you to cast some of them with more flexibility.
Prerequisites: Ability to cast 1st level arcane spells without preparation, 6 ranks in Spellcraft
Benefit: You may research any spell that belongs to the same chain as an arcane spell you know and can cast without preparation. You must be of sufficient level to cast the researched spell and it must be a spell on your class list. Such researched spells do not count toward the total number of spells you know.
Now, researching spells for spontaneous casters has never made any sense to me. For one, it specifically says in the PHB that they can't increase the number of spells they know with a high stat. Secondly, the feat says that only spells on their class list can be researched, and they must be of the appropriate level, which means that you're not going to level up and take a 5th level spell instead of a 4th level one. Also, how exactly would a sorcerer 'research' a spell? Wizards have to pay a cost per page, but sorcerers and bards don't have a spellbook. So what does it cost the spontaneous casters?
If someone could give me an example of both of these, I'd be most appreciative.
On the note of paying to have spells cast, I'm a bit curious about that as well. In the information thread, it says that spells cost 10gp times (spell level plus minimum caster level minus 1), and 5gp per 1xp lost. That's all well and good. However, that seems somehow underpriced. For example:
Let's take the permanency spell, casting enlarge person on someone. That's a 5th level spell, minimum of a 9th caster level. So....
10x(5+9-1)=13. So, 130gp. 500xp, that's 2500gp. Overall, a grand cost of 2630gp for a +2 to strength, Large size, enlargement of any weapon or armor you pick up, and the downside of -1 AC and -1 attack. A +2 to strength alone is 4,000gp, and that's for an item; not a perminant effect. Hmmmmm.....
Next and last question: how does weapon damage progress with size increase? The MM has a very short chart, but there's got to be a complete one floating around somewhere.
Now, does taking this feat mean that you can cast spells at your level for the purpose of enhancing spells, such as duration and bonuses to damage (which I'm assuming it does) or does it mean that you can actually get spells as though all your levels were in that one class? Example: 19th level barbarian takes one level of wizard and this feat; does it mean he's casting 0 and 1st level spells as though they were 20th level, or is he casting 0-9th level spells as though he was a 20th level wizard? That seems a little ridiculous, but I thought I'd clarify.
Barbarians don't have Knowledge (arcana) as a class skill ;)
Now, researching spells for spontaneous casters has never made any sense to me. For one, it specifically says in the PHB that they can't increase the number of spells they know with a high stat. Secondly, the feat says that only spells on their class list can be researched, and they must be of the appropriate level, which means that you're not going to level up and take a 5th level spell instead of a 4th level one. Also, how exactly would a sorcerer 'research' a spell? Wizards have to pay a cost per page, but sorcerers and bards don't have a spellbook. So what does it cost the spontaneous casters?
If someone could give me an example of both of these, I'd be most appreciative.
Researching a spell is different from adding a spell to your spell book (clerics and druids can do it, too). It's detailed in the DMG I think.
On the note of paying to have spells cast, I'm a bit curious about that as well. In the information thread, it says that spells cost 10gp times (spell level plus minimum caster level minus 1), and 5gp per 1xp lost. That's all well and good. However, that seems somehow underpriced. For example:
Let's take the permanency spell, casting enlarge person on someone. That's a 5th level spell, minimum of a 9th caster level. So....
10x(5+9-1)=13. So, 130gp. 500xp, that's 2500gp. Overall, a grand cost of 2630gp for a +2 to strength, Large size, enlargement of any weapon or armor you pick up, and the downside of -1 AC and -1 attack. A +2 to strength alone is 4,000gp, and that's for an item; not a perminant effect. Hmmmmm.....
The size penalties can be a pain, especially since you don't get most of the benefits of Large size. Also there's the standing out wherever you go, and the cost of casting permanency itself, the risk of it getting blown up by the first caster who comes along with a dispel magic, wasting all your gold... I figure it's a pretty even trade off. In fact I'd prefer the magic item ;)
Next and last question: how does weapon damage progress with size increase? The MM has a very short chart, but there's got to be a complete one floating around somewhere.
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Barbarians don't have Knowledge (arcana) as a class skill ;)
All skills are class skills, per house ruling
Researching a spell is different from adding a spell to your spell book (clerics and druids can do it, too). It's detailed in the DMG I think.
I still don't quite understand the process, or the benefit, but I'll read up on it.
The size penalties can be a pain, especially since you don't get most of the benefits of Large size. Also there's the standing out wherever you go, and the cost of casting permanency itself, the risk of it getting blown up by the first caster who comes along with a dispel magic, wasting all your gold... I figure it's a pretty even trade off. In fact I'd prefer the magic item ;)
Fair enough. Now, for the several hundred other spells that follow the same pricing rules :P .
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Thanks, that's exactly what I was looking for. *bookmarks*
Fair enough. Now, for the several hundred other spells that follow the same pricing rules :P .
Enlarge is arguably fairly low level for the benefits it gives (it'd still be a pretty potent spell if it was 2nd level, if you ask me, and even as 3rd level it wouldn't be completely nerfed). Low level means low cost, so this spell probably isn't representative - even if in combination with Permanency it's only responsible for a fraction of the cost. As a minor aside, I don't think Enlarge Person enlarges every weapon you pick up while it's in effect, just the ones you have in your possession when it's cast. The PHB isn't entirely clear on this though.
Generally speaking, I don't see a problem with the costs for having a spell cast. Sure, it's cheaper than the official rule. For a game where PCs are generally somewhat underfunded compared to the official baseline, that's a good thing: otherwise caster PCs would have too big a source of income, and PCs in general wouldn't be able to afford certain spells (point in fact, I can't recall a single instance where a caster was paid for a spell, other than resurrections and the like. Nobody could afford anything else). More importantly, don't forget that cost isn't all there's to it - plunking down the gold won't guarantee you a spell. If the DMs decide the wizard or priest you need to cast the spell wants a favour as well as full payment, then that's that, to give just one example.
That is 10 resurrections.
I'm not really counting Oskar as he was a cohort.
All skills are class skills, per house ruling
Doh
All skills are class skills, per house ruling
No, they aren't. Where is anyone getting that idea? You use the class skill list for aristocrats and your other class for that level only. Anything else is a cross-class skill, unless you have a feat that makes it a class skill.
In reply to other questions, Mystic Talent grants you a caster level equal to your number of Spellcraft ranks -3. Caster level does not determine the spells you can cast; that's determined by "Spells per day."
So if you have 16 ranks in Spellcraft and one level in the wizard class, the spells are cast at 13th level of ability for determining such things as range, damage, duration, and spell resistance, but you still only can prepare as many spells per day as a 1st level caster can.
Now, researching spells for spontaneous casters has never made any sense to me.
It always made perfect sense to me, though I will confess that I've never cared for how the present system offers no benefit to sorcerers or bards. However, the idea itself does make sense and there are a number of ways to execute it:
1. Extensive reading of similar effects in search of common threads might help you discover means of expressing an untapped ability. You aren't looking for an already written formula, ritual, or spell, but rather any number of little inspirations that might enable you to unlock one as of yet unknown.
2. You expose yourself to a number of powerful energies, alchemical agents, and the like in an effort to unlock a new power. Meditation is likely to be a factor.
3. Meditation, assisted by spells (and possibly other spellcasters) puts you in contact with spiritual (elemental, outsider, divine, or possibly undead) forces that help guide you to greater understanding of your abilities. Again, the result is a power you were never able to use before.
Note that in each of those cases, it's even possible to roleplay the research as a general pursuit of power leading to a specific result. You, the player, may know full well the spell you intend to research, but your character may start off thinking in more general terms, with no idea of what the result may be. If you're just looking to learn a greater (or lesser) version of the spell you already know, however, chances are you're just researching means to apply a known power in a different fashion.
I'm sure the three options listed above aren't the only methods one could employ to explain a spontaneous caster learning. They were just the first three that came to mind. Spellbooks don't come into the picture at all, save as possible research material.
The cost of spellcaster got shifted in this game for two reasons: it was beyond what most people could afford, and the diminishing returns lead themselves to a bigger abuse going by the book than the one you mention.
"Well, I could afford the 280 gp needed to have cure critical wounds cast on me, but I think I'm going to just spend 50 gp and have cure light wounds cast five times."
Compare 280 gp for 4d8+7 hp of healing with 50 gp for 5d8+5 hp of healing and the issue is obvious. I can sidestep this by some rather arbitrary means, such as limited the number of spells a church will have cast for you, but even then, you just need to visit a pair of temples to save money. Two cure light wounds for a total of 2d8+2 vs. one cure moderate wounds for 2d8+3 is a difference of 40 gp for one extra hp of healing -- which you could normally get by paying one of those 1st level clerics for a cure minor wounds. The difference between two cure moderate wounds and one cure critical wounds is 160 gp and again, you only wind up with 1 extra hp for that extra cost.
Now I could randomly decide the level of the caster aiding you, but that's just jerking people around. You go in to pay 10 gp for 1d8+1 hp of healing and wind up spending three times as much for 2 extra hp -- or seven times as much for only 4 extra hp because I decided that the cleric who aided you was 7th level. Should a 7th level cleric charge more than a 5th level cleric when the spell effect is no more beneficial to you? From a certain position, it makes sense, but I can't support such a large discrepancy.
But let's examine the case of permanency plus enlarge person. By the core rules, the cost of that, assuming you hire two spellcasters for the job in order to save money (and the higher level one might take exception to that) is 10 gp for enlarge person plus 450 gp for permanency plus 250 for the xp cost, for a total of 710 gp. The other system charges 10 gp plus 130 gp plus 250 gp, for a total of 390 gp, a little more than half of what you'd pay by the core rules. Either way, you're spending a lot less than you would for gauntlets of ogre power, so that's really not the issue you make it out to be.
However, before you consider it a much better deal than the gauntlets, there are several things you have to consider. You are more vulnerable to the dangers of having dispel magic targetted against you. You might not think much of that until you've been somehow incapacitated by a spell and your allies would prefer to release you from its effects quickly.
Your equipment enlarges with you, but permanency does not change the fact that it returns to (and remains in) its normal size when you put it down. If you want to wash yourself, you're either going to have to hire a tailor to produce oversized clothing or pay a wizard for regular castings of prestidigitation. Your budget will cover clothing easily enough, so that's not a problem. However, dispel magic is likely to leave you hampered by your new wardrobe and any other new gear you bought. I know a locking gauntlet can keep you from dropping a weapon when you're stunned or panicked, but it doesn't make you entirely immune to disarm checks and it can be a nuisance for those times in which you have to climb or grapple. Do you suffer the inconvenience of making sure you never drop a weapon or do you risk having dispel magic render it unwieldy?
Then there's the fact that very little in the city was built to accomodate people who are 8-13 ft tall. Chairs and beds aren't built to your scale. You'll find it hard to move about in most buildings, especially in narrower passageways. Even the market square might be a little hard to navigate at times for you.
I should warn you that kobolds have made a point of taking advantage of their Small size in this game, to the detriment of Medium characters. A Large creature could easily end up a sitting duck against similar sized opposition, such as gnomes, halflings, or goblins, all creatures that can be quite devious in self-defense.
Weight is also a consideration unless you are capable of flying everywhere. Bridges, ice, and sometimes even floors might not be able to support you. There isn't a horse big enough to carry you either.
I'm not saying it's all drawbacks or that these ones are going to conspire against you all the time (though life in the city will be a nuisance). It's just that the spell's situational disadvantages become a lot less situational when it's always on, you know? ;)
Oh, one more situational for a permanent enlarge person spell: it's non-transferable. You can't lend it out to someone else. If you fall in a fight and need to be moved, an ally can borrow your gauntlets to more easily execute the task. If your strength comes from a spell, however, you're both out of luck -- especially since you probably weigh over a thousand pounds. ;)
As for the issue of gear, yeah, I'd rather avoid leaving people quite so poorly equipped as poor Boirin was. We might have avoided at least four of those listed deaths if the group involved had been better equipped. I don't mind them not meeting recommended quota, since sometimes that does cause people to take many things for granted, but I'd rather people weren't starved for gear either.
As for changing the date of the snapshot on us, that's mildly frustrating. Well, it can't be helped and there's no reason it should be set up to accomodate us, so I'll just have to learn to deal with it. Time to restructure my own goals a bit.
The Cure spell chain seems obvious enough, but would that same chain also include Heal? X and Mass X are chained, presumably, as are Y, Minor Y and Major Y and things like that, but what about the Protection From spells? Chain or no? Somewhat more out there: Alter Self through Shapechange. In short, what constitutes a chain?
The centipede invasion was a lot more flexible than the Night of Shadows, but the final battle did not offer everyone equal footing to shine, I admit, which was careless on my part. Still, twenty-four people getting in three rounds over three hours wasn't a bad performance, and a few people did manage to get in a bit more action in the build-up. We just haven't been able to link everyone up as well since -- and admittedly, it took over a week to set a date for that finale.
Nonetheless, I have a slightly better idea of what would work for the larger, faster-paced projects. The trick sometimes is getting people on one IM at the same time to speed up a fight -- and in knowing how many people can be managed at once. I have and will play through on people to keep things moving. As much as I don't like it, I don't like to keep other players hanging too long either. Going back and editting on request is not always that big a deal, but having a particular fight drag out for a month or more... experience shows it tends to wear out everyone involved. Besides, faster tends to be a lot more exciting -- not that some of the fights that took a week to resolve weren't nailbiters. The events that resulted in three fatalities in the sewer held a lot of people's attention quite well, for example.
While I'm on the subject of waiting, however, I've got to make a request: do not feel you need to wait on other people all the time. You may choose to do so, but consider whether or not you're leaving someone else waiting. I'm not saying that it's okay to steal the scene when it's someone else's big moment, but it helps to keep things moving if you do somehow make your presence felt. Thought balloon posts work sometimes, as do descriptions of idle actions you feel would be appropriate to your character or the situation. Just give us a bit more than, "Waits to see what other people do." That tends to put pressure on other players and gives them nothing to work with. Humming a tune in the background, even if it's not appropriate behaviour, does at least give other players something extra to latch on to. (Just don't go overboard. Despite advice you may have heard to the contrary, a pie fight is seldom the solution here. :P)
If you need a service that another player character provides, find some way of discovering that and locating the character if it's at all possible. If you can't think of how you'd go about doing it, please ask here. If another player can't give you an idea (and they're a resourceful lot), a DM should be able to arrange something.
I'm not saying every character always has to get along. However, even when they don't, the players have to work together to make sure they're not getting in one another's way. There've been a few examples of that in Natala's Store, usually involving either Burleg or Ulerian -- the players understand each other quite well and can carry that sort of disagreement off very well together. In Elsewhere, I recall another example in a standoff between Nanashi and Tensek. (If it had come down to mechanics, Tensek could have just mopped the floor with Nanashi. Fortunately, he opted for a different approach, and I think they both wound up looking good as a result of it.)
However, if such things are tiring for you, please call for a break to discuss any inter-character conflict with the other player out of game. I know that people do have conflicting goals for their characters, but I ask for them to find ways of working around each other where possible. I've seen it become a little too pesonal for the people involved here before, so I'd rather players found ways to avoid coming out ahead of one another in many cases -- as well as to avoid having to deliberately lose a particular conflict. (That gets wearing too. As a DM, I'm trying to build characters I want to see get their comeuppance when they go up against you guys, but it's harder when you're building someone you want to succeed, you know?)
It helps, however, if you keep your character flexible enough to work with anyone. I realize that's not entirely possible in every case, but please try to keep that option open as much as possible, so that people can at least approach you. With levels being closer again, we no longer have to worry about a 1st level group asking for the help of a show-stealing 14th level teammate -- or about a 14th level character having to avoid certain interactions in order to give other characters room to get involved. (I can work around a 2-4 level discrepancy easily enough at times, but there's a limit. ;))
Coming up later -- maybe tomorrow -- the current word on psionics. (As for the SRD on Epic rules, which is the big extra, well, that's not really an issue now. It might get there some day, but it really needs more tweaking than I want to do. Case by case discussions of advanced skill checks, however, may yet become relevant, which reminds me of something else I need to touch upon. More on that later as well.)
ST, while we're on the subject of Mystic Insight: is there a specific norm to determine whether spells are part of a chain?
That's a good question. The concept of spell chains is described on pg 181 of the PHB. In short, if a spell's description says that it functions like another particular spell in some regard, it is part of the spell chain. Yes, that does mean that alter self and shapechange belong to the same chain, and that there is a chain for cloud kill and incendiary cloud through fog cloud. (Curiously, obscuring mist does not appear to be part of that chain...) Meteor swarm is on the fireball chain.
As for spells like protection from evil, yes, they're also a chain, from protection from chaos through to magic circle against law.
Is that specific enough, or does it still leave questions? I sometimes wish the core rulebooks had included a list of all the spell chains.
Where is anyone getting that idea? You use the class skill list for aristocrats and your other class for that level only. Anything else is a cross-class skill, unless you have a feat that makes it a class skill.
On the question of skills, I think someone said all skills were class skills a couple pages back on this thread. Let me look and see...
*dig dig*
Here it is (Pg 33). In hindsight it is ambiguous, and probably was just being short for 'all skills that are on either list'. Oh well. Time to muck about with skill ranks a bit.. you really didn't need to know much about religion anyway, Kader :P
There was also a feat in the new feats section that made a Knowledge skill always a class skill, but said it was only for NPCs as PCs automatically have Knowledge skills as class skills anyway?
The character creation guidelines are something ST is calling a 'gestalt.'
Essentially, while making your Level 1 character, have the Aristocrat
description side-by-side, and anywhere the advantage is to Aristocrat, use
that rule. All skills are treated as class skills.
All skills? Wow. I would think that might kind of undermine the rogue class, since skills are a big part of their advantage. But I guess it adds a lot more freedom in character creation.
An alignment question; from skimming over some of the old threads, it looks like some of the characters at least flirted with evil (mostly Avowed members). I'm not thinking about starting out with an evil character, but I was curious about whether it was allowed or not.
Lastly, how to I hide part of my post so that you've got to click on [show] to view the text? That's not a very clear question, but I'm not sure how to rephrase it. Like in the rules thread when info is under different 'titles'.
There was also a feat in the new feats section that made a Knowledge skill always a class skill, but said it was only for NPCs as PCs automatically have Knowledge skills as class skills anyway?
Well, yes, that's true -- because all Knowledge skills are class skills for the Aristocrat. So are all of the Charisma-based skills and Appraise, Forgery, Listen, Ride, Speak Language, Spot, Survival, and Swim, but not Craft and Profession.
It does, as you say, hit rogues, whose strength is with a generous skill list, but it does add Ride, Speak Language, Survival, and the rest of the Knowledge skills to that list, while Bards gain only Intimidate, Ride, Spot, and Survival. They're handy additions, and what rogue isn't grateful for a good Will save? ;)
Is that specific enough, or does it still leave questions? I sometimes wish the core rulebooks had included a list of all the spell chains.
That's specific enough for me. More generous than I'd thought, but I'm not complaining. I do have a few other questions about MI, albeit not about spell chains: since there's no 'special' section in the feat description, does that mean you can only take it once? And does the feat allow you to research a single spell or all the spells from a chain you know one spell of (I'm assuming it doesn't allow you to research all the spells from all the chains you know at least one spell of :D ).
I'll take a look at the rest of the homebrew section sometime this week, maybe I'll have more questions later. Fair warning. ;)
Happy Mother's Day!
Yes indeedy!
And now I'm off to find some unguarded flower baskets. Mother's day kind of crept up one me.
That's specific enough for me. More generous than I'd thought, but I'm not complaining. I do have a few other questions about MI, albeit not about spell chains: since there's no 'special' section in the feat description, does that mean you can only take it once? And does the feat allow you to research a single spell or all the spells from a chain you know one spell of (I'm assuming it doesn't allow you to research all the spells from all the chains you know at least one spell of :D ).
Actually, it does. You can only take it once, but it will allow you to research spells from any chain on which you know a spell.
I realize that sounds like a pretty powerful feat, but the costs involved for every spell you research, in both time and money, are quite high (one week and 1000 gp per spell level). If a bard started with cure light wounds, for example, researching the other five cure spells a bard could learn will take a total of 20 weeks and 20,000 gp, or 10% of the recommended wealth for a 15th level character. (That's assuming all of the Spellcraft checks are successful as well.) Meanwhile, a wizard who was copying summon monster II-VI out of another character's spellbook would spend between 2000 (assuming the spellbook was aquired as treasure) to 3000 gp (if paying for the use of another caster's book), doesn't need a feat to do it, and gets to make a Spellcraft check before making the attempt to scribe a spell, which may save even more money.
Besides, I'd rather not require a player to take the feat once to research, for example greater dispel magic, then have to take it again to research mass cat's grace. I'd rather it didn't come down to choosing this feat for maximum benefit every time. If someone wants to research only one new cure and one new summon monster spell, along with greater dispel magic and mass cat's grace, I'm okay with that kind of flexibility.
Autohypnosis, however, interesting as the skill is, won't be allowed, nor the feat Autonomous. It's not abusive, but it could be a bit more of a headache than I'd rather inflict upon the DM staff who don't have a copy of the book. :P
Those of you who aren't going to play a psionic character might still wish to take a look at the feat selection. I'll advise against taking Antipsionic Magic, since you're very unlikely to run into creatures with power resistance. Chaotic Mind, Closed Mind, Force of Will, Hostile Mind, Mental Resistance, and Psionic Hole are also unlikely to be of much use to you, though opponents that survive an encounter with a psionic character (or who determine that they're likely to face such opposition eventually) may start to opt for them, given sufficient cause. (And very few of those will take more than one such feat.)
However, Cloak Dance, Deadly Precision, Greater Manyshot, Mind over Body, Open Minded, Rapid Metabolism, Reckless Offense, and Stand Still are all worth a look. Some of you might also consider Wild Talent, just to have the option of some of the psionic feats. (I can see how some of those lend themselves readily to the monk class concept, but other connections are possible. Just remember that many psionic feats require a Concentration check to prepare their use, so you may need 2 minutes of prep time to use it once in a fight.)
However, Cloak Dance, Deadly Precision, Greater Manyshot, Mind over Body, Open Minded, Rapid Metabolism, Reckless Offense, and Stand Still are all worth a look. Some of you might also consider Wild Talent, just to have the option of some of the psionic feats. (I can see how some of those lend themselves readily to the monk class concept, but other connections are possible. Just remember that many psionic feats require a Concentration check to prepare their use, so you may need 2 minutes of prep time to use it once in a fight.)
Is there any place online that these feats can be found? I'd rather not buy the books just to find out if I want to take a few feats.
Is there any place online that these feats can be found? I'd rather not buy the books just to find out if I want to take a few feats.
The Open Gaming Foundation's SRD. Most of the other SRD versions include psionics too, if you prefer a different format.
Is there any place online that these feats can be found?
I have to get used to the fact that this question is going to get repeated frequently. It is a fact of life. Yes, they're listed in the SRD.
You can find them here or, for a more specific listing of just the feats, here.
Actually, it does. You can only take it once, but it will allow you to research spells from any chain on which you know a spell.
I realize that sounds like a pretty powerful feat, but the costs involved for every spell you research, in both time and money, are quite high (one week and 1000 gp per spell level). If a bard started with cure light wounds, for example, researching the other five cure spells a bard could learn will take a total of 20 weeks and 20,000 gp, or 10% of the recommended wealth for a 15th level character. (That's assuming all of the Spellcraft checks are successful as well.) Meanwhile, a wizard who was copying summon monster II-VI out of another character's spellbook would spend between 2000 (assuming the spellbook was aquired as treasure) to 3000 gp (if paying for the use of another caster's book), doesn't need a feat to do it, and gets to make a Spellcraft check before making the attempt to scribe a spell, which may save even more money.
Besides, I'd rather not require a player to take the feat once to research, for example greater dispel magic, then have to take it again to research mass cat's grace. I'd rather it didn't come down to choosing this feat for maximum benefit every time. If someone wants to research only one new cure and one new summon monster spell, along with greater dispel magic and mass cat's grace, I'm okay with that kind of flexibility.
I realize that, but since it effectively circumvents the limit on the number of spells a bard or sorcerer can know I thought it might be a bit much, cost notwithstanding. I do appreciate the cost is prohibitive to an extent, both in comparison to wizards and as an absolute, but that limitation is the biggest disadvantage spontaneous casters have. I'll have to take a good look at possible chains to pick from before I can really have a solid idea of the possibilities though: researching the entire Cure or Summon chain isn't really beneficial (might as well use the swapping option to upgrade that kind of spells), but if the chain has spells with significantly different purposes it could well be worth it. I'll have to see how it goes in practice anyway, but at does sound interesting.
Right here. ^^
I realize that, but since it effectively circumvents the limit on the number of spells a bard or sorcerer can know I thought it might be a bit much, cost notwithstanding.
It does, yes. However, it does so in a very limited fashion. In effect, you're gaining the ability to scale a particular spell to a higher or lower level of power, but only after a serious initial investment of gold. Don't underestimate the time requirements involved either.
It's not universal access to all sorcerer/wizard spells. You need to know part of a given to research anything else on it. In a sense, you aren't learning knew spells: you are learning how to augment some of the spells you already know.
I do appreciate the cost is prohibitive to an extent, both in comparison to wizards and as an absolute, but that limitation is the biggest disadvantage spontaneous casters have.
Indeed. Is it too big, however? I happen to think so. So did the team that overhauled the psionics rules in in the XPH. Certainly, there's a difference between spells and powers, and a sorcerer already knows more spells than a psion will, but augmentation surpasses that gap quite nicely.
I'll have to take a good look at possible chains to pick from before I can really have a solid idea of the possibilities though: researching the entire Cure or Summon chain isn't really beneficial (might as well use the swapping option to upgrade that kind of spells)...
No, goodness, no! You underestimate the significance of a swap. Let me give you an example:
You're a 8th level bard in a party whose cleric was just poisoned into unconsciousness by a swarm of spiders. If you'd swapped cure light wounds for another 1st level spell and taken cure serious wounds, you've given up the option of casting (assuming 16 Charisma) 10d6+50 hp of healing, divisible by increments of 1d8+5 among up to 10 targets, for the chance to cast up to 6d8+16 hp of healing, divisible only into two increments of 3d8+8 hp. Sure, the former case means burning another 8 spell slots, but the option is there and the flexibility of more castings often does outweigh the advantage offered by the higher level spell slot.
You could instead have taken cure moderate wounds when you discarded cure light wounds, when the difference is between 10d8+50 hp and 12d8+48 hp (and leaving your 1st level spell slots unused), but you are still not quite as flexible as you were before you made the switch.
but if the chain has spells with significantly different purposes it could well be worth it.
Could be, but the most versatile grabs I've found are those on the chains for alter self, fog cloud, silent image, and the symbol spells. The last one is hardly a big gain for sorcerers -- if anything, the option to cast one of those spells is otherwise not desirable for most sorcerers at all. Alter self is probably the strongest of the bunch, but still not too much, in my opinion.
Hmm, I'm thinking, with Weapon Focus in Unarmed Strike Kader could eventually match a monk for unarmed damage, not to mention further outclass him in grapple bonus. Doesn't get all the nifty special effects the monk has, but it's not bad...
It does, yes. However, it does so in a very limited fashion. In effect, you're gaining the ability to scale a particular spell to a higher or lower level of power, but only after a serious initial investment of gold.
I agree, after taking a serious look at the spell lists and descriptions. I was under the impression this would apply to more spells, but it doesn't. It's also a lot less clear than I'd hoped, unfortunately. Not your fault at all, I think the design team didn't really pay the concept of spell chains a lot of mind beyond as an explanation for how certain spells are worded. As a result, for instance, it's unclear whether Mark of Justice and Bestow Curse are in a chain - the spell description of MoJ references BC and it says their effects are the same, but that's it. Obscure Object and Nondetection are prime suspects for being in a chain - the wordings of their descriptions are very similar in parts, and their purposes are alike - yet there's not a hint of them being connected in those descriptions, so strictu sensu they're not part of the same chain. Mind Blank doesn't even give the impression it might be related to either of those. Prismatic Spray apparently is unrelated to Prismatic Sphere or Prismatic Wall (those two are in a chain though). Protection from Energy and Resist Energy: dito. To be clear: I'm not criticizing the feat here, just expressing my disgruntlement with the lack of attention on the designers' parts here. ;)
No, goodness, no! You underestimate the significance of a swap. Let me give you an example:
You're a 8th level bard in a party whose cleric was just poisoned into unconsciousness by a swarm of spiders. If you'd swapped cure light wounds for another 1st level spell and taken cure serious wounds, you've given up the option of casting (assuming 16 Charisma) 10d6+50 hp of healing, divisible by increments of 1d8+5 among up to 10 targets, for the chance to cast up to 6d8+16 hp of healing, divisible only into two increments of 3d8+8 hp. Sure, the former case means burning another 8 spell slots, but the option is there and the flexibility of more castings often does outweigh the advantage offered by the higher level spell slot.
You could instead have taken cure moderate wounds when you discarded cure light wounds, when the difference is between 10d8+50 hp and 12d8+48 hp (and leaving your 1st level spell slots unused), but you are still not quite as flexible as you were before you made the switch.
This I don't entirely agree with, but that mostly because I'm convinced that in a campaign that's pretty much standard in terms of money and access to special items, there's little or no point to using spell slots for low level Cure spells instead of using a wand. Nine times out of ten, when you want to use a Cure spell from a spell slot it's in the middle of combat and you really want the maximum bang for your buck. I'm aware that that's a personal opinion though, YMMV.
Could be, but the most versatile grabs I've found are those on the chains for alter self, fog cloud, silent image, and the symbol spells. The last one is hardly a big gain for sorcerers -- if anything, the option to cast one of those spells is otherwise not desirable for most sorcerers at all. Alter self is probably the strongest of the bunch, but still not too much, in my opinion.
Knowledge of spells isn't a strong point of mine, but it seems the Silent Image and Invisibility chains (which both have some very useful spells) are connected through Mislead. That spell doesn't become available until level 12 for a sorcerer, but if I was playing one I would definitely keep that in mind.
Wow. Did they trim away all threads older than a certain date or something?