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#1 backstabbist Apr 15, 2009 10:51:10	What would this stat up as?
#2 Fireclave Apr 15, 2009 11:13:58	I'd give it hand crossbow stats.
#3 backstabbist Apr 15, 2009 17:40:21	which is the Hand crossbow, I only see the d6 one and the d8 one in PH4e
#4 pigknight Apr 15, 2009 18:35:02	Editon? 4e: Hand Crossbow 3e: Heavy Crossbow
#5 darkmasterbr Apr 15, 2009 18:54:19	I would do it a little different. I would rule it as a 2d6 dmg, because pistols are very nasty, but require a move action to reload it, so it would be essentially a "draw the magnum, shoot, drop it and proceed with combat", which was kind of how one on one combat worked. Also, it must be a simple weapon, not a martial weapon.
#6 backstabbist Apr 15, 2009 19:31:21	4e has the d6 crossbow as a free load and the d8 crossbow as Minor, but using a power you can not worry about loadtimes.... comparing the yank string and set bolt activity of loading crossbow and the break-top and slip in new 357mag activity of loading pistol I could see them on par for loading and powers-ing Note: d20Modern gave 357mag pistols 2d6
#7 Fireclave Apr 15, 2009 23:27:32	which is the Hand crossbow, I only see the d6 one and the d8 one in PH4e The d6 one is actually labeled "Hand crossbow". The d8 one is labled "Crossbow". I don't know much about guns, but for a quick and dirty I'd still use the hand crossbow. Both can be fired one-handed, both require two hands to reload. Sounds about right to me. Simple, quick, balanced, done. That's not to say that I think it's the only way or the best way to convert the weapon. But if I was to make additional modifications, I would have to have some definate design goals in mind.
#8 backstabbist Apr 16, 2009 0:36:41	Wait a sec the d6 is a Hand Crossbow, and the d8 is a regular crossbow... where is the Heavy crossbow?
#9 Fireclave Apr 16, 2009 2:21:37	Wait a sec the d6 is a Hand Crossbow, and the d8 is a regular crossbow... where is the Heavy crossbow? Heavy crossbows are gone (and good riddance). The AV has superior and repeating crossbows though.
#10 backstabbist Apr 17, 2009 1:09:29	ok, so if the 357mag pistol will use the d6HandCrossbow stats what should the 44mag/50ae/500sw supermags get ... the other d8Crossbow stats?
#11 Fireclave Apr 17, 2009 2:01:00	ok, so if the 357mag pistol will use the d6HandCrossbow stats what should the 44mag/50ae/500sw supermags get ... the other d8Crossbow stats? Like I said, I know next to nothing about guns other than you put bullets in them and shot stuff. What I do know, however, is that if you decide to introduce a weapon, replicating the weapon's real-life capabilities should be secondary to creating balanced, functional stats. But that's probably more indirect then what you were looking for. So try this: Can the gun be properly fired in one hand? Use hand crossbow stats. Do you need two hands to properly fire it? Use crossbow stats. Is it a 2H gun that can fire multiple shots before reloading? Use repeating crossbow stats. Is it a BFG? Use superior crossbow stats. For a more customized solution, search the Homebrew boards. There have been several homebrewed solutions for including guns in 4e posted there.