second: each time you climb up a level, you gain one talent from one of the 15 classes;
third: each talent pertains to one stat; the six basic stats vary from 0 to 5, according to the # number of talents that you bear given this stat;
four: there are 30 talents to obtain;
five: each of the 15 classes may be of level 1 to 3, with level 1 meaning no talent from class and level 3 meaning the 2 class talents available;
six: your xp derivate from your 15 class levels multiplicate one with the other, from 1 xp for a 0-level to 15.000.000 xp (3^15) for a 30th level.
(this was for the amusing part; talents were grabbed from Champions 4th Ed)
(well, unfortunately there seemed to be mistakes in my OP)
Fighter
Str Lightning calculator
Dex Find Weakness
Barbarian
Str Resistance to Interrogation
Con Animal Empathy
edit: Brute
Str Resistance to Interrogation
Con Beast of Burden
Ranger
Str Find the Path
Int Ambidexterity
Priest
Str Bureaucratics
Wis Bribery
Paladin
Str Smite (money)
Cha Danger Sense
Ninja
Dex Speed Reading
Con Defense Manoeuver
Illusionist
Dex Arcana Lore
Int Ventriloquism
Monk
Dex Flexible Jointed
Wis Absolute Time Sense
Thief
Dex Fast Draw
Cha Luck
Psionicist
Con Life Support
Int Eidetic Memory
Druid
Con Science
Wis Feign Death
Brute
Con Beast of Burden (from ADOM the Roguelike)
Cha BlindFighting
edit:
Barbarian
Con Animal Empathy
Cha Blindfighting
ArchMage
Int Universal Translator
Wis Financial Resorts, Investment Facilities
Bard
Int Cramming
Cha Perfect Pitch
Ruler
Wis Lightsleep
Cha Seduction
Fighter 2 w/ Str Lightning calculator
Barbarian 2 w/ Con Animal Empathy
Ranger 3 (base class) w/ Str Find the Path , Int Ambidexterity
Priest 3 w/ Str Bureaucratics , Wis Bribery
Paladin 2 w/ Str Smite (money)
Ninja 1
Illusionist 1
Monk 1 (base class)
Psionicist 1
Druid 2 w/ Con Science
Brute 2 w/ Cha BlindFighting
ArchMage 3 w/ Int Universal Translator , Wis Financial Resorts, Investment Facilities
Bard 2 w/ Cha Perfect Pitch
Ruler 1
stats would be:
STR 4
DEX 0
CON 2
INT 2
WIS 2
CHA 2
or
you could rule six apprenticeship levels of a given talent for stats between 5 and 30:
level title
1 untrained
2 novice, amateur
3 professional
4 champion
5 master
6 sorcerer
my (as a player character ) would nicely look like this:
Fighter 4
4 Str Lightning calculator
1 Dex Find Weakness
Barbarian 3
1 Str Resistance to Interrogation
3 Con Animal Empathy
Ranger 15
6 Str Find the Path
4 Int Ambidexterity
Priest 16
5 Str Bureaucratics
5 Wis Bribery
Paladin 9
5 Str Smite (money)
2 Cha Danger Sense
Ninja 6
2 Dex Speed Reading
3 Con Defense Manoeuver
Illusionist 2
2 Dex Arcana Lore
1 Int Ventriloquism
Monk 6
2 Dex Flexible Jointed
3 Wis Absolute Time Sense
Thief 2
2 Dex Fast Draw
1 Cha Luck
Psionicist 3
3 Con Life Support
1 Int Eidetic Memory
Druid 9
5 Con Science
2 Wis Feign Death
Brute 10
4 Con Beast of Burden (from ADOM the Roguelike)
3 Cha BlindFighting
ArchMage 11
3 Int Universal Translator
5 Wis Financial Resorts, Investment Facilities
Bard 4
1 Int Cramming
4 Cha Perfect Pitch
Ruler 4
2 Wis Lightsleep
2 Cha Seduction
stats :
STR 21
DEX 9
CON 18
INT 10
WIS 17
CHA 12
(class levels are examples of what you obtain with combining both talent levels and referring to BASE 6 scores)
BASE
score 3 4 5 6
1 1 1 1 1 must take three class hindrances
2 2 2 2 2 must take two class hindrances
3 3 3 3 3 must take one class hindrance
4 4 4 4 4 equivalent to 0th Ad&d level
5 6 6 5 5 equivalent to 1st Ad&d level
6 9 8 6 6 equivalent to 2nd Ad&d level
7 9 8 8 equivalent to 3rd Ad&d level
8 12 9 9 equivalent to 5th Ad&d level
9 16 10 10 equivalent to 7th Ad&d level
10 12 12 equivalent to 9th Ad&d level
11 15 15 equivalent to 11th Ad&d level
12 16 16
13 20 18
14 25 20
15 24
16 25
17 30
18 36 equivalent to 18th Ad&d level
(alternatively - and really easier indeed - you simply add two talents and add -2 for a class value of 0 to 10; you then refer to DnD 3E prestige classes - but in class levels addition I would end up being GL 57 out of 150 ! )
4 Str Lightning calculator like in playing chess under blitz mode (hope you know what I'm speaking of)
1 Str Resistance to Interrogation and to Pain
6 Str Find the Path = Dungeoneering
5 Str Bureaucratics = knowledge of the Laws
5 Str Smite (money) = enforce your opponent (like in Mangas, where the girls often hit boys with giant hammers leaving a visible funny mark ?!?)
____ 21 STR
5 Dex Find Weakness = find weak spots within structures (well, actually mine score is 2 - too late to correct things up... )
4 Dex Speed Reading = how to read newspapers
2 Dex Arcana Lore = knowledge of the astral plane (and operation within ??)
2 Dex Flexible Jointed = contortionism
3 Dex Fast Draw = deals with initiative
____ 16 DEX
3 Con Animal Empathy = how to deal with nature beings and your own self
2 Con Defense Manoeuver = never let a clear shot from behind
3 Con Life Support = how to deal with poisons, illness, drowning, high pressure, vacuum, and the like
5 Con Science = knowledge of the Torah
4 Con Beast of Burden (from ADOM the Roguelike) = ability to carry (and then drive) bulk items (well again mine score is 2 not 4)
____ 17 CON
4 Int Ambidexterity = ability to let objects fall in your hands (that is, you happen to say: " Oh, now I've got this knife aimed at you; quickly I shall drop it, or else combat might occur..." ---> perhaps level 6 pertains to teleportation tricks)
2 Int Ventriloquism = weeell sounds in my stomachs
1 Int Eidetic Memory = when you concentrate on a topic and win on the subject (for me I'm short-sighted so I don't claim a victory here)
3 Int Universal Translator = ESP and Tongues
2 Int Cramming = when you get preparation for an exam and manage to retrieve general info on the subject, so that you look like a mentor to the common folk)
____ 12 INT
6 Wis Bribery = ability to make friends in useful food/tools/data propagation (well, mine level is 5 ookay no magic here 4? wtf noone learns in this regards? )
2 Wis Absolute Time Sense = free action, meditative facilities
2 Wis Feign Death = should be food consumption and education (???)
6 Wis Financial Resorts, Investment Facilities = gives your wealth status (ah? ===> level 2 fer me then)
2 Wis Lightsleep = gives your mental prowess and defense
____ 18 WIS
4 Cha Danger Sense = prevents you from immediate threats
1 Cha Luck = lets you (I know because one friend has got) win in dice rolls (so perhaps you can arrange your lifestyle as you wish? )
3 Cha BlindFighting = combat mode where you smell the general location of neighbours and forget they are made of flesh and bones ( ... )
4 Cha Perfect Pitch = lets you modulate your voice (or others' voice, yes! I am level 5)
2 Cha Seduction = know how to ... use poetry (ouais, of! why not give me a 1 here eh? )
____ 14 CHA
Level # talents
1 3 untrained talents
2 9
3 5 gives extra hit points
4 6 gives hit points level
5 4 adds to hit points level, gives Fighter level, gives extra Spell Caster points
6 3 adds to hit points level, adds to Fighter Level, gives Spell Caster Level points
using this table, the character would have 6 + 4 + 3 = 13 hit point levels, plus 5 extra hit points for a total hit points of 96;
he would be Fighter Level 4 + 3 = 7, that is, +7 to-hit, 1.5 per round Attacks or the like;
he would bear Spell Caster Level 3 (that is, six points) + 4 spell caster points for a total of 10 spell caster points, that is final Spell Caster Level 4; this would let him launch 3/2 spells of level 1/2 typically (chosen within his 3 spell lists of financial resorts, bribery and find the path).
hit point/spell caster
level points
1 1
2 3
3 6
4 10
5 15
10 55
11 66
12 78
13 91
15 120
20 210
25 325
30 465
hit point/spell caster
level points
1 1
2 3
3 6
4 10
5 15
10 55
11 66
12 78
13 91
15 120
20 210
25 325
30 465
+1 for using triangular numbers!
hit point/spell caster
level points
1 1
2 3
3 6
4 10
5 15
10 55
11 66
12 78
13 91
15 120
20 210
25 325
30 465
+1 for using triangular numbers!
french lack poetry... (inobvious to french folks; I slowly begin - while I spy on conversations - to realize my lack of - and still I believe in myself being a high (french) philosopher 
- )Talents are used differently according to the six levels :
1 untrained : you cannot use this talent
2 basic knowledge : use of this talent is with no conscious control (so it is up to your DM to let you use this talent)
3 professional use : you use this talent whenever you encounter a challenge to get overcomed (!)
4 champion : this talent is always on, so you always get the benefit of this talent
5 mastery : you can freely use this talent on others, so that they get the benefit of the talent
6 sorcerer : you have entered the realm of MAGIC (?) in your knowledge of this talent (...)
Then you could rule that:
level 2 (amateurs) is for Good people
level 3 (professionals) is for Evil people
level 4 (champions) is for Chaotic ones
level 5 (masters) is for Lawful ones
level 6 (sorcerers) is for Neutral ones
.
edit: I even know why I wrote this that way: level 3 universal translator meaning I translate things in my head twistedfully, and level 1 eidetic memory so I can't hope to win respect for my "work";
or, using the CORNE system:
level Domain
2+ Nature
3+ Outils/Technics
4+ Corps/Body Reigns
5+ Relationship
6 Esprit/Psyche
so that, say a character like:
level #talents
1 4
2 11
3 5
4 4
5 5
6 1
would bear CORNE values of:
Nature 26
Technics 15
Body Reigns 10
Relationship 6
Psyche 1
then, alternative CORNE definitions are (unlike what is stated elsewhere):
Nature = merit x faith
Technics = egoism x reputation
Body = strength x suppleness
Relationship = satiation x health
Psyche = science x charms
strength from Body is already located as the Strength stat,
science from Psyche is already located as Science = knowledge of the Torah.
strength from Body can be reshaped as Steel, with suppleness becoming Velvet;
science from Psyche can't exist any longer... sorry but I definately think my level 1 in Psyche can't help you gain knowledge (or whatever) in the magic arts; let's say Psyche is your Magic-User level.
Is the WISE system back from the charts?
WISE:
Willpower for Magic-Users
Instinct for Thieves
Strength for Fighters
Empathy for Clerics
well, we can retrieve
Willpower from Psyche
Empathy from Relationship
Strength from Body
Instinct from Technics;
so perhaps we could write
level
2 adds points to Thief Level
3 gives Thief Level, adds points to Fighter Level
4 adds Levels to Thief Level, gives Fighter Level, adds points to Cleric Level
5 adds Levels to Thief Level and to Fighter Level, gives Cleric Level, adds points to Magic-User Level
6 adds Levels to Thief Level, Fighter Level and Cleric Level, gives Magic-User Level
so, that same character with
level #talents
1 4
2 11
3 5
4 4
5 5
6 1
would be
Thief Level (5+4+5+1)=15= 120 points +11 points = Level 15
Fighter Level (4+5+1)=10= 55 points + 5 points = Level 10
Cleric Level (5+1)=6= 21 points + 4 points = Level 6
Magic User Level 1= 1 point + 5 points = 6 points = Level 3
- You have thirty slots of hit points
- each time you climb up in a given class, you can either
- - roll for hit points in a slot whose number is less than or equal to class level, eventually replacing old hit point value if roll is higher
- - add +1 to an existing hit point slot, with a maximum hit point value of 10
- class hit dice are d4 for Magic User Levels, d8 for Cleric Levels, d10 for Fighter Levels and d6 for Thief Levels
Uglyvan threads never get old
Maybe link back to the old thread, or make sense, whichever is easier.
shadda better speak of the Brute as Str/Con and the Barbarian Con/Cha (just have to replace Brute with Barbarian and Barbarian with Brute )
...
Talents are used differently according to the six levels :
1 untrained : you cannot use this talent
2 basic knowledge : use of this talent is with no conscious control (so it is up to your DM to let you use this talent)
3 professional use : you use this talent whenever you encounter a challenge to get overcomed (!)
4 champion : this talent is always on, so you always get the benefit of this talent
5 mastery : you can freely use this talent on others, so that they get the benefit of the talent
6 sorcerer : you have entered the realm of MAGIC (?) in your knowledge of this talent (...)
just watched the cone from Carl Gustav Jung's theory of analytical psychology:
5=1 archaïc unconscious
4=2 collective unconscious
3=3 personal unconscious
2=4 consciousness
1=5 ego
actually there was obviously a mistake in between the Brute class and the Barbarian class;
shadda better speak of the Brute as Str/Con and the Barbarian Con/Cha (just have to replace Brute with Barbarian and Barbarian with Brute )
well I don't think Barbarian is well defined with terms Con/Cha;
Con/Cha should better relate to the Shaman (but there are Shamans within Barbarian tribes lol)