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Bael Turath

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#1
barthalas
Jun 19, 2008 8:54:42 So I now that the human nobles of Bael Turath where cursed to become Tieflings, but where there human inhabitants of Bael Turath as well? If so please reference any sources where this was mentioned.

Thanks...
#2
nightchill
Jun 19, 2008 9:49:48
So I now that the human nobles of Bael Turath where cursed to become Tieflings, but where there human inhabitants of Bael Turath as well? If so please reference any sources where this was mentioned.

I don't think cursed is the right word. They made the pacts and Tieflings became a true-breeding race.

As for the survival of non-Tieflings in the Bael Turath Empire.. A few noble houses "even in decadent Bael Turath, refused. These houses were exterminated" (quote from Preview: Races & Classes).

It's not entirely clear whether it was just a certain class (such as nobles) who initially made the pacts but it's certainly implied that Tieflings became the dominant - so not just nobles - race in the Tiefling Empire. I'd expect that Humans/non-converters(/cavorters) were quickly bred out/exterminated/chased off/used as slaves.
#3
darkangel1979
Jun 19, 2008 12:41:06 Well the way it's phrased in the PHB seems to me to imply that they are descendents from the nobility only. I would suspect non-nobles remained humans. In any case that's the way I'm ruling it in my campaign.
#4
nightchill
Jun 19, 2008 14:16:47 Hm yep, you're right. Must've been a heck of a lot of nobles then
#5
horatioatthebridge
Jun 19, 2008 14:49:09 Recall that when a Tiefling breeds with a human, the child is a tiefling (IIRC, from the PHB race write-up). That's a really fast way to increase your numbers, even from a small starting stock.
#6
the_ubbergeek
Jun 19, 2008 16:55:53
Hm yep, you're right. Must've been a heck of a lot of nobles then

Look at feudal Japan... If you extend the word 'nobles' to lower grade, disargented 'knights' like the samurai (roughly), yes, that make a lot of nobles.

That was actually in RL a major issue of early Meiji era... the huge numbers of disclassed 'nobles'/samurai...
#7
darth_lawyer
Jun 20, 2008 8:20:36
Well the way it's phrased in the PHB seems to me to imply that they are descendents from the nobility only. I would suspect non-nobles remained humans. In any case that's the way I'm ruling it in my campaign.

That was my interpretation as well.

In my campaign history, I set up the Empire of Bael Turath as a despotic, decadent human empire governed by a court of (formerly human) Tiefling nobility. It explains the relatively small numbers of Tieflings in my campaign (set about 5,000 years after the fall of the Empire), and gives them all a "descended from ancient nobility" gimmick to play.
#8
rentauri
Jun 20, 2008 8:35:54 Well remember from the limited knowledge of the world's history it seems that Bael Turath and Arkhosia where the only game in town. I figure they where the only two real empires around at the time so the size of the two where probably very big.

Also the Tiefling gene is the stronger gene. Any Tiefling/Human union produces a Tielfing child (Playing a Tielfing, 2nd Paragraph, PHB). So after the initial pact to become a Tiefling every noble's child whether from a noble family or a concubine is now a Tiefling.

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#1 barthalas Jun 19, 2008 8:54:42	So I now that the human nobles of Bael Turath where cursed to become Tieflings, but where there human inhabitants of Bael Turath as well? If so please reference any sources where this was mentioned. Thanks...
#2 nightchill Jun 19, 2008 9:49:48	So I now that the human nobles of Bael Turath where cursed to become Tieflings, but where there human inhabitants of Bael Turath as well? If so please reference any sources where this was mentioned. I don't think cursed is the right word. They made the pacts and Tieflings became a true-breeding race. As for the survival of non-Tieflings in the Bael Turath Empire.. A few noble houses "even in decadent Bael Turath, refused. These houses were exterminated" (quote from Preview: Races & Classes). It's not entirely clear whether it was just a certain class (such as nobles) who initially made the pacts but it's certainly implied that Tieflings became the dominant - so not just nobles - race in the Tiefling Empire. I'd expect that Humans/non-converters(/cavorters) were quickly bred out/exterminated/chased off/used as slaves.
#3 darkangel1979 Jun 19, 2008 12:41:06	Well the way it's phrased in the PHB seems to me to imply that they are descendents from the nobility only. I would suspect non-nobles remained humans. In any case that's the way I'm ruling it in my campaign.
#4 nightchill Jun 19, 2008 14:16:47	Hm yep, you're right. Must've been a heck of a lot of nobles then
#5 horatioatthebridge Jun 19, 2008 14:49:09	Recall that when a Tiefling breeds with a human, the child is a tiefling (IIRC, from the PHB race write-up). That's a really fast way to increase your numbers, even from a small starting stock.
#6 the_ubbergeek Jun 19, 2008 16:55:53	Hm yep, you're right. Must've been a heck of a lot of nobles then Look at feudal Japan... If you extend the word 'nobles' to lower grade, disargented 'knights' like the samurai (roughly), yes, that make a lot of nobles. That was actually in RL a major issue of early Meiji era... the huge numbers of disclassed 'nobles'/samurai...
#7 darth_lawyer Jun 20, 2008 8:20:36	Well the way it's phrased in the PHB seems to me to imply that they are descendents from the nobility only. I would suspect non-nobles remained humans. In any case that's the way I'm ruling it in my campaign. That was my interpretation as well. In my campaign history, I set up the Empire of Bael Turath as a despotic, decadent human empire governed by a court of (formerly human) Tiefling nobility. It explains the relatively small numbers of Tieflings in my campaign (set about 5,000 years after the fall of the Empire), and gives them all a "descended from ancient nobility" gimmick to play.
#8 rentauri Jun 20, 2008 8:35:54	Well remember from the limited knowledge of the world's history it seems that Bael Turath and Arkhosia where the only game in town. I figure they where the only two real empires around at the time so the size of the two where probably very big. Also the Tiefling gene is the stronger gene. Any Tiefling/Human union produces a Tielfing child (Playing a Tielfing, 2nd Paragraph, PHB). So after the initial pact to become a Tiefling every noble's child whether from a noble family or a concubine is now a Tiefling.