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#1 thewaever Apr 04, 2010 23:39:35	i'm putting together a D&D 4E leader class with Arabic influences which uses elemental air as its Power Source. Think of them like warlords, but with air-based magic. I'm thinking of calling the class either, "sultan" or "vizier." Which one do you like better?
#2 derkartographer Apr 05, 2010 0:50:42	They're both titles that were in actual use. Sultan would be bad because of that, but Vizier might work.
#3 thewaever Apr 05, 2010 10:38:53	Can you explain more? Alot of the class names were titles that were in actual use, "warlord," "bard," "warrior," "shaman," etc. What makes using "sultan" bad, but using "vizier" ok?
#4 derkartographer Apr 05, 2010 22:54:20	How many King classes are there? Queens? Emperor?
#5 thewaever Apr 07, 2010 13:59:24	I'm not worried about being 100% historically accurate when it comes to these names. All I really want is a word that evokes a Middle Eastern flair with a certain context of "this is the guy who gets us on our feet & gives us direction." I don't think using a reigning title for a class name is bad. I would be fine with calling a class something like "Mountain King," for example. Historically speaking, if a king couldn't lead his people (usually through battle), then someone in the population rose up & killed him & said, "I AM THE STRONGEST FIGHTER!!! THAT MAKES ME KING!" So, when all is said & done, a king is just a fighter. It's like Monty Python said, "How do you know he's a king? He's the only one that hasn't got sh!t all over him." And that's what the players' characters are: they're the only ones that haven't got sh!t all over them, lol, so why shouldn't their class name reflect that? That being said, I don't want to give players a bad taste in their mouths just from reading the title of the class. I hear what you're saying, & thanks for the input :D
#6 Shiftkitty Apr 07, 2010 14:45:33	Pasha and Bashaw were synonymous with Sultan. I like Pasha, myself.
#7 Book5 Apr 10, 2010 23:28:07	Neither of them evoke an idea of danger to me. Dervish? What about Desert Rat? Pahsa sounds more menacing to me than Bashaw, not knowing which either of them are. book I can't imagine that using an actual historical middle eastern name will hold the same effect on the average imagination as something like Stone King, or Roaring Bull the Skull Cracker, unless the party you are playing with understands those names the same way I would Alexander and Sun Tzu. Ken Ryo might intimidate me, but I know some far eastern. Myself, I really am a part of the Leotanto, Morphalzim, and Gornicatious kinda nameology. Thun'ikar of Ognoran and the like.  It all really depends on your players. I had a group that liked to make fart jokes and named a character "something in orc" that translated to "the windbreak" ... hilarity ensued.  The Desert King might be a simple, but why not Sultan, Pasha, or Vizier? Side note: I thought Vizier was the advisor (ad'vizier or al'vizier or what have you) not a king. Bashaw actually sounds like the same phonetics from slightly different regions Pasha Bashaw, drift and what not. Interestingly my spellerizer votes Pasha, and it is aware of the spelling. Strangely enough ad'vizier is also an acceptable spellirization. There is something nice about working with accurate ~ ish history in that you can't be fun/learning and all that :rot: but yeah... I would say Pasha.. I after logotyping seem to recall actually knowing that Pasha meant "warlod" and ... yeah. My vote is on Pasha. Are you planning on posting the class itself on the thread? I would be interested to see it!
#8 thewaever Apr 10, 2010 23:30:50	Although I was thinking about using it for the striker, the dervish is the defender. Do leaders really need to sound "dangerous," though? I wouldn't follow a rat...
#9 kao_unagi Apr 13, 2010 17:17:15	Hussar?
#10 thewaever Apr 13, 2010 17:27:55	Oh, I should think about using Hussar somewhere...
#11 ADHadh Apr 14, 2010 10:43:52	Hussar? Now that's way off.