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Druid Paragon Path (PEACH)

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#1
luciusvonbrahm
Feb 08, 2011 21:22:31
PRIMAL STALKER

Prerequisite: Druid, wild shape class feature, primal predator primal aspect

PRIMAL STALKER PATH FEATURES

Seeking the Prey (11th Level): When you are in beast form and spend an action point to take an extra action, you may also shift your speed at any time during your turn. At the end of this movement, you must be either adjacent to or nearer to an enemy than when it began.

Silent Stalker (11th Level): While in beast form, you receive a +5 to stealth and a +5 to perception. In addition, when in beast form and in a natural environment, you may make a stealth check to become hidden, provided you have any cover or concealment.

Stalker's Strike (16th Level): While in beast form, your melee attacks deal additional damage equal to your dexterity modifier.

PRIMAL STALKER POWERS

A Taste for Blood

Attack 11

Encounter * Primal, Reliable, Beast Form, Implement

Immediate reaction Melee touch

Trigger: An enemy adjacent to you becomes bloodied

Target: The triggering enemy

Attack: Wisdom vs. Reflex

Hit: 2d8+Wis and the enemy is knocked prone

Stalker's Stride

Utility 12

At-Will * Beast Form

Move action Personal

Effect: You shift a number of squares up to your dexterity modifier. At the end of this movement, you must be either adjacent to or nearer to an enemy than when it began.

Red-Eyed Stalker

Attack 20

Daily * Primal, Beast Form

Free action Personal

Trigger: You become bloodied

Effect: Until the end of the encounter, all of your melee, beast form powers deal an extra 1d6 damage and daze the enemy until the end of your next turn, on a successful hit.
#2
rampant
Feb 09, 2011 1:20:19 A taste for blood is a touch iffy. To use it you have to have selected one of the basic attack beast form powers, Why not make it it's own attack?
#3
thespaceinvader
Feb 09, 2011 7:39:37 What Druid DOESN'T have one of those powers?
#4
Sabelkatten
Feb 09, 2011 9:08:42 I think the point was that the power varies in usefulness depending on which power the Druid has. But since all Druid melee powers cause 1D8 damage it does seem logical to just make it a normal power: WIS vs/ Reflex, 1D8+2D6+WIS damage and knocks prone (might just make it 3D8 right away).

I'm more worried about Red-Eyed Stalker - are there any other powers that cause Daze to such a degree? It does seem a bit high-powered to me, even for a level 20 daily...

#5
luciusvonbrahm
Feb 09, 2011 17:56:53 I was modeling A Taste for Blood off an Opportunity Attack, but the idea was to give it extra potency, since it is an encounter power. Just giving you a triggered OA seems woefully underpowered for an encounter power.

Why would you even select a PP with a power you can't use? Just take a different PP. In addition, Primal Predator is a prerequisite, and I've yet to see a predator build that doesn't have Grasping Claws or Savage Rend (some even have both). I really don't see that as an issue.

I suppose I could just make it its own attack. Maybe that would just be easier. Simplifying it wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing.

Re: Red-Eyed Stalker

I'll have to look. But there are dailies that have both an attack, plus effects that do bonus damage/attack and a handicap (prone, combat advantage, etc.). Since this is a daily that only gives the effect, but has no actual attack, I was thinking it might be acceptable.

If dazed is too much, it could be something else. But there are already powers that knock prone, slow, cause the enemy to grant combat advantage and possibly others that I just can't think of right now. That's as an effect. That doesn't include the initial attack itself.

I wasn't thinking it would be unbalanced to boost the effect due to the lack of an attack. What else would be a solid option? Druids already have so many ways to slow or immobilize that those seem a little bit redundant.

I could limit it to melee, beast form powers. That would eliminate the close and ranged powers. Is that a bit more balanced? It'll cut back on the options you have to actually utilize it.
#6
luciusvonbrahm
Feb 09, 2011 18:17:09 I revised A Taste for Blood and Red-Eyed Stalker. I lowered the potency of both, but I did add the keyword reliable to ATfB, but I also made sure it does a bit less damage than it did initially. I just think it kind of sucks to have a triggered power like that be wasted. It's not like you'll have a lot of opportunities versus a given enemy, but you may be able to use it later against a different enemy. And it only does +1d8 versus a beast form MBA. I don't think that's too potent.
#7
Sabelkatten
Feb 10, 2011 1:23:50 I like the change to ATfB - Reliable fits very nicely and is a good comensation for not being able to chose just when you can use it, while the damage+effect seem about right for a free (triggered) action.

I'm not sure about the change to RES... It just seems you lost the duraction for the daze...?

Anyway, if I ever get to play my current Predator Druid to level 11 this Paragon Path would be one of my first choices!
#8
luciusvonbrahm
Feb 17, 2011 20:44:44
I'm not sure about the change to RES... It just seems you lost the duraction for the daze...?

Anyway, if I ever get to play my current Predator Druid to level 11 this Paragon Path would be one of my first choices!

Oops! I didn't realize I cut that part of the text when I did the edit. It's still supposed to be "until the end of your next turn", just like it was previously. The big change is that I made it entirely limited to beast form melee powers. That keeps it a big more restricted than it was previously.

And I'm glad you like it. I wanted something that fits my character I'm currently playing, but without being just a grab bag of goodies.

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#1 luciusvonbrahm Feb 08, 2011 21:22:31	PRIMAL STALKER Prerequisite: Druid, wild shape class feature, primal predator primal aspect PRIMAL STALKER PATH FEATURES Seeking the Prey (11th Level): When you are in beast form and spend an action point to take an extra action, you may also shift your speed at any time during your turn. At the end of this movement, you must be either adjacent to or nearer to an enemy than when it began. Silent Stalker (11th Level): While in beast form, you receive a +5 to stealth and a +5 to perception. In addition, when in beast form and in a natural environment, you may make a stealth check to become hidden, provided you have any cover or concealment. Stalker's Strike (16th Level): While in beast form, your melee attacks deal additional damage equal to your dexterity modifier. PRIMAL STALKER POWERS A Taste for Blood Attack 11 Encounter * Primal, Reliable, Beast Form, Implement Immediate reaction Melee touch Trigger: An enemy adjacent to you becomes bloodied Target: The triggering enemy Attack: Wisdom vs. Reflex Hit: 2d8+Wis and the enemy is knocked prone Stalker's Stride Utility 12 At-Will * Beast Form Move action Personal Effect: You shift a number of squares up to your dexterity modifier. At the end of this movement, you must be either adjacent to or nearer to an enemy than when it began. Red-Eyed Stalker Attack 20 Daily * Primal, Beast Form Free action Personal Trigger: You become bloodied Effect: Until the end of the encounter, all of your melee, beast form powers deal an extra 1d6 damage and daze the enemy until the end of your next turn, on a successful hit.
#2 rampant Feb 09, 2011 1:20:19	A taste for blood is a touch iffy. To use it you have to have selected one of the basic attack beast form powers, Why not make it it's own attack?
#3 thespaceinvader Feb 09, 2011 7:39:37	What Druid DOESN'T have one of those powers?
#4 Sabelkatten Feb 09, 2011 9:08:42	I think the point was that the power varies in usefulness depending on which power the Druid has. But since all Druid melee powers cause 1D8 damage it does seem logical to just make it a normal power: WIS vs/ Reflex, 1D8+2D6+WIS damage and knocks prone (might just make it 3D8 right away). I'm more worried about Red-Eyed Stalker - are there any other powers that cause Daze to such a degree? It does seem a bit high-powered to me, even for a level 20 daily...
#5 luciusvonbrahm Feb 09, 2011 17:56:53	I was modeling A Taste for Blood off an Opportunity Attack, but the idea was to give it extra potency, since it is an encounter power. Just giving you a triggered OA seems woefully underpowered for an encounter power. Why would you even select a PP with a power you can't use? Just take a different PP. In addition, Primal Predator is a prerequisite, and I've yet to see a predator build that doesn't have Grasping Claws or Savage Rend (some even have both). I really don't see that as an issue. I suppose I could just make it its own attack. Maybe that would just be easier. Simplifying it wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing. Re: Red-Eyed Stalker I'll have to look. But there are dailies that have both an attack, plus effects that do bonus damage/attack and a handicap (prone, combat advantage, etc.). Since this is a daily that only gives the effect, but has no actual attack, I was thinking it might be acceptable. If dazed is too much, it could be something else. But there are already powers that knock prone, slow, cause the enemy to grant combat advantage and possibly others that I just can't think of right now. That's as an effect. That doesn't include the initial attack itself. I wasn't thinking it would be unbalanced to boost the effect due to the lack of an attack. What else would be a solid option? Druids already have so many ways to slow or immobilize that those seem a little bit redundant. I could limit it to melee, beast form powers. That would eliminate the close and ranged powers. Is that a bit more balanced? It'll cut back on the options you have to actually utilize it.
#6 luciusvonbrahm Feb 09, 2011 18:17:09	I revised A Taste for Blood and Red-Eyed Stalker. I lowered the potency of both, but I did add the keyword reliable to ATfB, but I also made sure it does a bit less damage than it did initially. I just think it kind of sucks to have a triggered power like that be wasted. It's not like you'll have a lot of opportunities versus a given enemy, but you may be able to use it later against a different enemy. And it only does +1d8 versus a beast form MBA. I don't think that's too potent.
#7 Sabelkatten Feb 10, 2011 1:23:50	I like the change to ATfB - Reliable fits very nicely and is a good comensation for not being able to chose just when you can use it, while the damage+effect seem about right for a free (triggered) action. I'm not sure about the change to RES... It just seems you lost the duraction for the daze...? Anyway, if I ever get to play my current Predator Druid to level 11 this Paragon Path would be one of my first choices!
#8 luciusvonbrahm Feb 17, 2011 20:44:44	I'm not sure about the change to RES... It just seems you lost the duraction for the daze...? Anyway, if I ever get to play my current Predator Druid to level 11 this Paragon Path would be one of my first choices! Oops! I didn't realize I cut that part of the text when I did the edit. It's still supposed to be "until the end of your next turn", just like it was previously. The big change is that I made it entirely limited to beast form melee powers. That keeps it a big more restricted than it was previously. And I'm glad you like it. I wanted something that fits my character I'm currently playing, but without being just a grab bag of goodies.