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Easy Warlord/Slayer houserule?

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#1
The-Magic-Sword
Feb 28, 2011 20:40:20 you know, i was thinking about the OP'edness of the slayer/warlord combo and i realized a ridiculously easy fix for DM's to balance this... please correct me if this doesn't work for whatever reason

Granted basic attacks are un-modified by the character's MBA stuff, like stances and such- instead they deal base basic attack damage.

roleplaywise- it's that the character didn't get to plan the attack out or use their stance properly- thye just leapt forward and struck when the warlord said "jump"
#2
Eisenritter
Feb 28, 2011 21:01:54 So your solution to the "man who has practiced one kick a thousand times" is to take away his one kick?
#3
rampant
Feb 28, 2011 23:30:43 The slayer is only good for MBA, let them get as much as they can out of it.
#4
Damon_Tor
Mar 01, 2011 5:23:03 Probably best not to mix O4e and 4eE.

Wizards doesn't allow it at their events; I've always assumed they weren't actually meant to be played together. Saves you have to deal with things like Impaling Spear and Deft Blade and Martial Supremacy and Surpising Charge on your Slayers and Rogues. Keeping the 4eE item rules away from your artificer is probably a good idea as well, for a whole lot of reasons.
#5
Qube
Mar 01, 2011 5:57:08
you know, i was thinking about the OP'edness of the slayer/warlord combo and i realized a ridiculously easy fix for DM's to balance this... please correct me if this doesn't work for whatever reason

as someone without essentials, could someone explain the problem?
#6
pluisjen
Mar 01, 2011 8:37:59 Each and every Slayer Power is a Melee Basic Attack and they constantly grow in strength because they need to stay on par with a non-Essentials character that has Encounter and Daily powers.

Warlords can grant said Slayer with really power MBA a slew of extra attacks, which are balanced because MBA are supposed to be "meh" at best, yet these are more like "omgwtfbbq" in power.

I've never seen it played, but this is the (possible just perceived) problem.
#7
Damon_Tor
Mar 01, 2011 11:15:12
Each and every Slayer Power is a Melee Basic Attack and they constantly grow in strength because they need to stay on par with a non-Essentials character that has Encounter and Daily powers.

Warlords can grant said Slayer with really power MBA a slew of extra attacks, which are balanced because MBA are supposed to be "meh" at best, yet these are more like "omgwtfbbq" in power.

I've never seen it played, but this is the (possible just perceived) problem.

Exactly. An O4e basic attack granting leader (especially but not limited to the warlord) with a 4eE striker (especially but not limited to the slayer) in the party is a leader that deals striker damage.
#8
LightWarden
Mar 01, 2011 14:59:17 Warlords make Slayers better, but I don't think they really make them broken. Slayers can't spike damage as well as other O4e strikers, they just perform higher on basics to compensate. Would you argue that a warlord who grants enough of an attack bonus to turn a striker's miss with a gut-busting daily into a hit is also doing striker level damage? It just seems wonkier because people can't as easily measure the effects of a leader class. With a striker you can look at the damage you did, with a defender you can look at the enemies you blocked, with a controller you can look at the enemies you locked down and out, but it's harder to see how the bonuses for a leader add up. And a warlord specializing in granting basic attacks is going to have some shortfalls in other areas.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
#1 The-Magic-Sword Feb 28, 2011 20:40:20	you know, i was thinking about the OP'edness of the slayer/warlord combo and i realized a ridiculously easy fix for DM's to balance this... please correct me if this doesn't work for whatever reason Granted basic attacks are un-modified by the character's MBA stuff, like stances and such- instead they deal base basic attack damage. roleplaywise- it's that the character didn't get to plan the attack out or use their stance properly- thye just leapt forward and struck when the warlord said "jump"
#2 Eisenritter Feb 28, 2011 21:01:54	So your solution to the "man who has practiced one kick a thousand times" is to take away his one kick?
#3 rampant Feb 28, 2011 23:30:43	The slayer is only good for MBA, let them get as much as they can out of it.
#4 Damon_Tor Mar 01, 2011 5:23:03	Probably best not to mix O4e and 4eE. Wizards doesn't allow it at their events; I've always assumed they weren't actually meant to be played together. Saves you have to deal with things like Impaling Spear and Deft Blade and Martial Supremacy and Surpising Charge on your Slayers and Rogues. Keeping the 4eE item rules away from your artificer is probably a good idea as well, for a whole lot of reasons.
#5 Qube Mar 01, 2011 5:57:08	you know, i was thinking about the OP'edness of the slayer/warlord combo and i realized a ridiculously easy fix for DM's to balance this... please correct me if this doesn't work for whatever reason as someone without essentials, could someone explain the problem?
#6 pluisjen Mar 01, 2011 8:37:59	Each and every Slayer Power is a Melee Basic Attack and they constantly grow in strength because they need to stay on par with a non-Essentials character that has Encounter and Daily powers. Warlords can grant said Slayer with really power MBA a slew of extra attacks, which are balanced because MBA are supposed to be "meh" at best, yet these are more like "omgwtfbbq" in power. I've never seen it played, but this is the (possible just perceived) problem.
#7 Damon_Tor Mar 01, 2011 11:15:12	Each and every Slayer Power is a Melee Basic Attack and they constantly grow in strength because they need to stay on par with a non-Essentials character that has Encounter and Daily powers. Warlords can grant said Slayer with really power MBA a slew of extra attacks, which are balanced because MBA are supposed to be "meh" at best, yet these are more like "omgwtfbbq" in power. I've never seen it played, but this is the (possible just perceived) problem. Exactly. An O4e basic attack granting leader (especially but not limited to the warlord) with a 4eE striker (especially but not limited to the slayer) in the party is a leader that deals striker damage.
#8 LightWarden Mar 01, 2011 14:59:17	Warlords make Slayers better, but I don't think they really make them broken. Slayers can't spike damage as well as other O4e strikers, they just perform higher on basics to compensate. Would you argue that a warlord who grants enough of an attack bonus to turn a striker's miss with a gut-busting daily into a hit is also doing striker level damage? It just seems wonkier because people can't as easily measure the effects of a leader class. With a striker you can look at the damage you did, with a defender you can look at the enemies you blocked, with a controller you can look at the enemies you locked down and out, but it's harder to see how the bonuses for a leader add up. And a warlord specializing in granting basic attacks is going to have some shortfalls in other areas.