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| #1nightwalker450Nov 21, 2008 14:45:09 |
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| #2dremik-the-taupeNov 22, 2008 13:40:32 | I'm pretty sure this would end up broken, but maybe if I post it there can be feedback to turn it into something workable. As long as it can only open up one race's feats, it seems mechanically reasonable to me. As for explaining how your great grandfather was a dragonborn, good luck ![]() |
| #3ff6shadowNov 22, 2008 13:49:40 | I like it. It seems interesting. Is it balanced? No idea, I'd have to go over every racial feat to be sure. |
| #4argentosNov 22, 2008 15:32:03 | I can definitely see this working. If you can be a half-elf, surely you can be a half-dwarf, or half-dragonborn, etc. Now, here's where it gets strange. Half-Elf has its own actual race, with unique feats, powers, features, and the sort. (Having a WIS Cleric that does CHA Eldritch Blast is awesome.) Do you grant new racial bonuses if you take this feat? Does your appearance change? Is the difference solely in your bloodline, so you were trained to do something as a youth? It sounds to me like you're going for the latter. If so, that's cool. It's not broken, but it's not really balanced either. It almost seems too weak. I feel there should be something to go along with it. Along with "learn another race's feats" you should have SOME kind of bonus or something. It feels too wasteful otherwise. I'm not sure what kind of bonus to suggest though. Perhaps you could look at all of the racial features and pick one for each race (something useful without being overpowered... you don't want to give a human Dragon Breath). edit: Though, humans do get an extra feat to begin with, so it may not feel like a waste after all. |
| #5nightwalker450Nov 22, 2008 22:25:00 | That's kind of what I'm thinking. In a way it's sacrifice your extra feat as a human to be considered part of another race for feats. |
| #6argentosNov 23, 2008 9:58:01 | Oh! I've got it. Along with "wasting" a feat to access feats of another race -- you learn their language as well. Then, in campaigns that focus more on RP experience with the occasional skill challenge in, your human knows an extra language without having to take the Linguist feat to do so. There. That works. =) |
| #7nightwalker450Nov 23, 2008 11:57:16 | Dragonborn - Draconic Dwarf - Dwarven Drow, Elf, Eladrin, Half-Elf - Elven Gnoll - Abyssal Genasi - Priomordial Halfling, Tiefling - ??? Minotaur, Warfoged - None It would work, except for the few races that don't have their own language, and a couple that don't have anything but common... Granted as a DM some of these I wouldn't really allow a Racial Blood for. Perhaps give them half of the racial skill bonuses from the race? |
| #8warcolonelNov 23, 2008 12:03:05 | I may go as far as to say it opens up racial PP. Since the usual racial PP has one ability that uses a racial trait, like the 1/2'ling or elf reroll abilities, it means the PP isn't as good for a human, but they do have the option. |
| #9alumanNov 23, 2008 14:15:31 | Tiefling - Infernal |
| #10nightwalker450Dec 01, 2008 10:41:24 | For now we're going to go with the +1 to the Racial skills, since languages are not provided for every race (some just get any extra language, some speak nothing but common). Also adding to the special, Half-Elf's CANNOT take this feat. As to changes in appearance, those are fluff anyways, and can vary character to character as to how dominant they are. Myself, I like the Dwarven Blooded Human, being larger than most humans. He's to a human what a dwarf is to a halfling (appearances again, just fluff, not stats or size changes). Elven blooded could be similar to half-elf in appearance. Where Half-Elven Blooded might be indistinguishable from human. But this feat is also to help the interracial mix and less segregated style of my world. It seems odd to me that only elves and humans can get together. Everyone else has to stay in their own part of town. |
| #11copycatzeroDec 01, 2008 20:10:11 | Tiefling - Infernal In 3E, maybe, but, since this is for 4E, beyond the fact that there is no Infernal anymore, Tieflings start with "Common and one other language", and the language that the devils DO speak, Supernal, can't be taken by a first level character. That being said, I like the basic concept of the feat, but I'm still wondering if, even with the +1 to a skill, it still isn't underpowered? The problem is the same problem as the half-elf's Dual Heritage: you're limited by meeting the prereqs of the feat, both stated and implied. This tends, for half-elves, to make elf feats outright useless (Elven Precision -- no elven accuracy to be buffed) or suboptimal (Elven Beast Mastery -- your beast ignores difficult terrain when it shifts... you don't). A quick survey of elf feats in the PHB and MP reveal that, if you're a half-elf, you're probably only going to be taking the paragon-level elven feats. The human feats, on the other hand, are all fair game. I have a feeling it will be the same situation for a human taking Racial Blood. Dragonborn, drow, or genasi? Forget about it. Eladrin and tiefling aren't much better. For elf it's going to be the same situation as with a half-elf, and halfling is like that too. You're basically looking at half-elf or dwarf for reliable ability to take the feats. Otherwise, I think you're still going to be taking the human racial feats, and now you're "short" a racial feat because you used your bonus feat to take Racial Blood. Dual Heritage is kind of a lame racial ability, when you think about it. As I said above, you can't even take proper advantage of a number of the elven racial feats, and it doesn't even allow you access to human-only or elf-only paragon paths (although the lack of Wild Step and elven accuracy would probably trip you up there, too). I think you may need to offer a bit more in Racial Blood to keep it from being Dual Heritage 2.0... |
| #12nightwalker450Dec 10, 2008 10:44:50 | If I'm going to create a racial feat, then I need to make sure all are treated equal. So here's the other feats to go along with it.Racial Blood Favored Heritage Human Blooded |
| #13ff6shadowDec 10, 2008 10:49:22 | Here is a question for you with those. They say you get the bonus to a skill you aren't trained with. What if you later gain training? Do you lose the bonus? It should be clarified. |
| #14nightwalker450Dec 10, 2008 10:49:32 | In 3E, maybe, but, since this is for 4E, beyond the fact that there is no Infernal anymore, Tieflings start with "Common and one other language", and the language that the devils DO speak, Supernal, can't be taken by a first level character. I currently play a half-elf, so I understand you completely. My elven feat I've taken is light step.. and that's only because I am a warlord and I'm trying to assist my party however I can (this has since been traded since MP). And dwarven is by far the best "racial blood" you can grab (especially with MP). I'm hoping more feats come that will eventually let the half-elf, be more than a human with pointed ears... I'm keeping the benefits lower, because there are two reason to take this. Character flavor (in which case benefits aren't that big of a worry), or because there is some great feat in another race that you want. Just like is Multiclass, and a swap feat worth getting a single power on your character? Some people yes, some no, some don't care because they just envision their character with that power. Here is a question for you with those. They say you get the bonus to a skill you aren't trained with. What if you later gain training? Do you lose the bonus? It should be clarified. Fixed. If you gain training, then you should shift it to a different untrained skill. |