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#1 iqwinn Aug 02, 2010 16:20:41	Muzzle-loader Proficiency Tier Heroic You gain proficiency in the use of all muzzle-loading firearms, whether they use black powder or smokeless powder, and includes handguns and long guns.  These weapons include flintlock, wheel-lock, and percussion cap weapons, whether smooth-bore or rifled bore. It takes a standard action to properly aim and fire a muzzle-loader.  You can fire such a weapon as a minor action, but you take a -3 penalty to the attack roll. It takes a standard action to properly load and prepare a muzzel-loader.  If you have paper cartridges, it only takes a minor action. ********************************* Muzzle-loader Expertise Tier Herioc Prerequisite Muzzle-loader Proficiency When using a Muzzle-loader, you gain a +2 bonus in your attack rolls, and a +1 bonus to your damage rolls. It takes a standard action to properly aim and fire a muzzle-loader.  You can fire such a weapon as a minor action, but you take a -3 penalty to the attack roll (total penalty, -1). It takes a standard action to properly load and prepare a muzzle-loader.  If you have paper cartridges, it onlt takes a minor action. ********************************* Breech Loader Proficiency Tier Heroic You gain proficiency in the use of all types of breech-loading firearms, including falling block and break action types.  It takes a minor action to load a breech-loading firearm, and a standard action to fire it.  You can fire it as a minor action, but you take a -2 penalty to your attack rolls. Breech-loaded weapons can ONLY take brass cartridges. ******************************** Breech Loader Expertise Tier Heroic Prerequisite Breech Loader Proficiency When using a breech loaded weapon, you gain +2 to your attack rolls, and +1 to your damage rolls.  You can fire your weapon as a minor action without taking the penalty to your attack rolls, but if you take it as a free action, you lose your +2 bonus to your attack roll. ********************************** Revolver Proficiency Tier Paragon You gain proficiency in the use of revolvers, which have cylindars that swing out to allow rapid unloading and reloading.  It takes a standard action to reload all six chambers of the cylindar, and a minor action to fire each shot.  If you take a free action to fire a shot, you take a -2 penalty to your attack roll. Revolvers can ONLY take brass cartridges. ********************************* Revolver Expertise Tier Paragon Prerequisite Revolver Proficiency When using a revolver, you gain +2 to your attack rolls and +1 to your damage rolls.  You can fire your weapon as a free action, but you lose your attack roll bonus. *********************************** Lever Action Proficiency Tier Paragon You gain proficiency in the use of lever action firearms.  It takes a standard action to fully load your long gun (8 cartridges) or a minor action to fully load a hand gun (4 cartridges).  A cartridged can be chambered as a free action.  It takes a minor action to aim and fire the weapon. If you take a free action to fire a shot, you take a -2 penalty to your attack roll. Lever action weapons can ONLY take brass cartridges. ********************************* Lever Action Expertise Tier Paragon Prerequisite Lever Action Proficiency When using a lever action firearm, you gain +2 to your attack rolls and +1 to your damage rolls.  You can fire your weapon as a free action, but you lose your attack roll bonus. ********************************** Pump Action Proficiency Tier Paragon You gain proficiency in the use of pump action firearms.  It takes a standard action to fully load your long gun (8 cartridges) or a minor action to fully load your hand gun (4 cartridges).  A cartridge can be chambered as a free action.  It takes a minor action to aim and fire the weapon.  If you take a free action to fire a shot, you take a -2 penalty to your attack roll. Pump action weapons can ONLY take brass cartridges. ************************************* Pump Action Expertise Tier Paragon Prerequisite Pump Action Proficiency When using a pump action firearm, you gain +2 to your attack rolls and +1 to your damage rolls.  You can fire your weapon as a free action, but you lose your attack roll bonus. ************************************** Semi-Auto Proficiency Tier Epic Prerequisite Previous proficiency with Pump Action, Lever Action, or Revolver firearms You gain proficiency in the use of semi-automatic firearms.  It takes a minor action to remove a magazine from your weapon and replace it with a new one. It takes a minor action to properly aim and fire the weapon.  If you take a free action to fire a shot, you take a -2 penalty to your attack roll. Semi-auto weapons can ONLY take brass cartridges. *************************************** Semi-Auto Expertise Tier Epic Prerequisite Semi-Auto Proficiency When using a semi-auto firearm, you gain +2 to your attack rolls and +1 to your damage rolls.  You can fire your weapon as a free action, but you lose your attack bonus.
#2 iqwinn Aug 04, 2010 18:21:24	Wow...no comments or questions, or even a joke.
#3 babyj Aug 09, 2010 21:07:38	It takes a standard action to properly aim and fire a muzzle-loader. You can fire such a weapon as a minor action, but you take a -3 penalty to the attack roll. This seems broken the way I am reading it; I can fire the weapon as a minor action then? Three attacks for the win! It takes a standard action to properly load and prepare a muzzel-loader.  If you have paper cartridges, it only takes a minor action. I think you are trying to make reload times too historically accurate; thus you had to make firing time lower. With the rules above, I could convert all my actions to minors, and then fire and drop three times in a round for a triple attack. This is a common pitfall with black powder systems. Try toning the damage down and making it either Load minor or Load free to balance. At the extreme end of the spectrum would be a Load Move weapon (maybe the largest muzzle weapon, a two handed cannon of some sort), which can be dropped to a load minor with a feat. It may not be uber-realistic, but then realistic would be unreasonably tough: "It requires 3 rounds performing no other actions to reload a muzzle-loader." which just won't do either... Also, depending on your setting you might want to lessen the number of categories of powder weapons. I can imagine the less accurate powder weapons being along the same difficulty to fire and master as a simple crossbow. Why are all your firearm weapons essentially superior ranged weapons? Just some thoughts..