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Homebrewing HP per level

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#1
saramis
Dec 04, 2008 2:26:21 I'm a fan of 4e, but I don't like that each class gains uniform hp. I want to make a system can cause character's with high con have high hp (more than just a couple points) compared to others in their class. I also realize that this will unbalance con in respect to other abilities, but I don't see a way around that

Anyway, my plan is to set a "typical" con and give bonuses only if it goes over this (for every 2 points). So it will look something like this (for PHB classes).

Leaders/strikers: 4 + 1 per every even numbered con point above 12. (14,16,18,20, etc)
Defenders: 5 + 1 per every even numbered point above 14
Wizards: 3 + 1 per every even numbered con point above 10

Does this sound fair?
#2
Thomson
Dec 04, 2008 2:40:46 Short answer: No

Long answer:
Axe/Hammer fighters will get a huge boost, while blade fighters lack more behind in durability than they already do.

Con based warlocks will totally rule.

Without stat booster items the hit point bonus to con damage simply does not work at 1 pt/level (You can argue that it didn't work pretty well in 3.5, too)

Also in 4e much more stats are important than in 3.5. So in your system, every build that benefits from con anyways becomes totally uber compared to the other builds.

If you have some char op oriented players in your group, they will create nearly unkillable characters.

And the players who make their characters for flavor will just be totally outshined by them.

If all your players are char optimizers, you will propably get a party made up of half elf warlocks, dwarven fighters and dwarven clerics.

You will have to improve monster hit points or damage to challenge these chars (I would recommend damage, otherwise battles may become really boring)

Bottom line:
This change will result in a totally different game.
#3
szatany_dup
Dec 04, 2008 8:52:10
I want to make a system can cause character's with high con have high hp (more than just a couple points) compared to others in their class.

Add Con prerequisite to Toughness. Done.
#4
rikiji
Dec 04, 2008 10:00:26 Remember, healing surges factor in how much total damage the character can take. Each +2 to Constitution gives an additional healing surge or +25% of your base hit point value to your daily total. That's a huge increase already. Increasing the benefit even more isn't really warranted.
#5
Thomson
Dec 04, 2008 10:20:55
Add Con prerequisite to Toughness. Done.

Wow, that's smart!

I totally agree that if you really want Con to have more impact on HP that's the way to go.

I would suggest Con 13. Con 15 could result in a similar effect as stated above - just that you won't have to scale the monsters.
#6
mellored
Dec 04, 2008 10:31:02
Add Con prerequisite to Toughness. Done.

Heroic Toughness
Prereq: Con 13
+5 HP as a feat bonus

Paragon Toughness
Prereq: Con 15
+10 HP as a feat bonus

Epic Toughness
Prereq: Con 17
+15 HP as a feat bonus
#7
Cyber-Dave
Dec 04, 2008 16:10:41
I'm a fan of 4e, but I don't like that each class gains uniform hp. I want to make a system can cause character's with high con have high hp (more than just a couple points) compared to others in their class. I also realize that this will unbalance con in respect to other abilities, but I don't see a way around that

Anyway, my plan is to set a "typical" con and give bonuses only if it goes over this (for every 2 points). So it will look something like this (for PHB classes).

Leaders/strikers: 4 + 1 per every even numbered con point above 12. (14,16,18,20, etc)
Defenders: 5 + 1 per every even numbered point above 14
Wizards: 3 + 1 per every even numbered con point above 10

Does this sound fair?

As others have said, this is an awful, awful, awful, extremely inbalancing, idea. Its bad enough that if a DM told me that it was a house rule for his game, I would probably wave goodbye and not play. You have just given high CON characters and builds not only more healing surges, but also more base hit points. That is a HUGE benefit, and its a pair of benefits that actually multiply each others usefulness. More total hit points means more hit points healed with a healing surge. More hit points healed with a healing surge means more total hit points that enemies must eat through in order to down a PC. Its a cyclical problem. Terrible. I urge you, do not do this to your games.
#8
Stuntman
Dec 04, 2008 16:19:47 HP gained via higher Con will also be multiplied when you take into account healing surges as well. More HP means more healing from healing surges. This would make the HP + (Healing Surge x Number of Surges) be even higher for high Con characters as you go up in levels.
#9
saramis
Dec 04, 2008 17:33:26 Yeah, I kinda so the imbalance of it, but I did not know it would be such a large issue.

Sounds like I won't be doing this afterall! Thanks guys.
#10
Thomson
Dec 08, 2008 3:01:23
Heroic Toughness
Prereq: Con 13
+5 HP as a feat bonus

Paragon Toughness
Prereq: Con 15
+10 HP as a feat bonus

Epic Toughness
Prereq: Con 17
+15 HP as a feat bonus

Yep, that should work great.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
#1 saramis Dec 04, 2008 2:26:21	I'm a fan of 4e, but I don't like that each class gains uniform hp. I want to make a system can cause character's with high con have high hp (more than just a couple points) compared to others in their class. I also realize that this will unbalance con in respect to other abilities, but I don't see a way around that Anyway, my plan is to set a "typical" con and give bonuses only if it goes over this (for every 2 points). So it will look something like this (for PHB classes). Leaders/strikers: 4 + 1 per every even numbered con point above 12. (14,16,18,20, etc) Defenders: 5 + 1 per every even numbered point above 14 Wizards: 3 + 1 per every even numbered con point above 10 Does this sound fair?
#2 Thomson Dec 04, 2008 2:40:46	Short answer: No Long answer: Axe/Hammer fighters will get a huge boost, while blade fighters lack more behind in durability than they already do. Con based warlocks will totally rule. Without stat booster items the hit point bonus to con damage simply does not work at 1 pt/level (You can argue that it didn't work pretty well in 3.5, too) Also in 4e much more stats are important than in 3.5. So in your system, every build that benefits from con anyways becomes totally uber compared to the other builds. If you have some char op oriented players in your group, they will create nearly unkillable characters. And the players who make their characters for flavor will just be totally outshined by them. If all your players are char optimizers, you will propably get a party made up of half elf warlocks, dwarven fighters and dwarven clerics. You will have to improve monster hit points or damage to challenge these chars (I would recommend damage, otherwise battles may become really boring) Bottom line: This change will result in a totally different game.
#3 szatany_dup Dec 04, 2008 8:52:10	I want to make a system can cause character's with high con have high hp (more than just a couple points) compared to others in their class. Add Con prerequisite to Toughness. Done.
#4 rikiji Dec 04, 2008 10:00:26	Remember, healing surges factor in how much total damage the character can take. Each +2 to Constitution gives an additional healing surge or +25% of your base hit point value to your daily total. That's a huge increase already. Increasing the benefit even more isn't really warranted.
#5 Thomson Dec 04, 2008 10:20:55	Add Con prerequisite to Toughness. Done. Wow, that's smart! I totally agree that if you really want Con to have more impact on HP that's the way to go. I would suggest Con 13. Con 15 could result in a similar effect as stated above - just that you won't have to scale the monsters.
#6 mellored Dec 04, 2008 10:31:02	Add Con prerequisite to Toughness. Done. Heroic Toughness Prereq: Con 13 +5 HP as a feat bonus Paragon Toughness Prereq: Con 15 +10 HP as a feat bonus Epic Toughness Prereq: Con 17 +15 HP as a feat bonus
#7 Cyber-Dave Dec 04, 2008 16:10:41	I'm a fan of 4e, but I don't like that each class gains uniform hp. I want to make a system can cause character's with high con have high hp (more than just a couple points) compared to others in their class. I also realize that this will unbalance con in respect to other abilities, but I don't see a way around that Anyway, my plan is to set a "typical" con and give bonuses only if it goes over this (for every 2 points). So it will look something like this (for PHB classes). Leaders/strikers: 4 + 1 per every even numbered con point above 12. (14,16,18,20, etc) Defenders: 5 + 1 per every even numbered point above 14 Wizards: 3 + 1 per every even numbered con point above 10 Does this sound fair? As others have said, this is an awful, awful, awful, extremely inbalancing, idea. Its bad enough that if a DM told me that it was a house rule for his game, I would probably wave goodbye and not play. You have just given high CON characters and builds not only more healing surges, but also more base hit points. That is a HUGE benefit, and its a pair of benefits that actually multiply each others usefulness. More total hit points means more hit points healed with a healing surge. More hit points healed with a healing surge means more total hit points that enemies must eat through in order to down a PC. Its a cyclical problem. Terrible. I urge you, do not do this to your games.
#8 Stuntman Dec 04, 2008 16:19:47	HP gained via higher Con will also be multiplied when you take into account healing surges as well. More HP means more healing from healing surges. This would make the HP + (Healing Surge x Number of Surges) be even higher for high Con characters as you go up in levels.
#9 saramis Dec 04, 2008 17:33:26	Yeah, I kinda so the imbalance of it, but I did not know it would be such a large issue. Sounds like I won't be doing this afterall! Thanks guys.
#10 Thomson Dec 08, 2008 3:01:23	Heroic Toughness Prereq: Con 13 +5 HP as a feat bonus Paragon Toughness Prereq: Con 15 +10 HP as a feat bonus Epic Toughness Prereq: Con 17 +15 HP as a feat bonus Yep, that should work great.