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Implement Proficiency

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#1
ToeSama
Sep 10, 2010 22:23:00 Because I think it's a little stupid for Weapon attacks to have an extra +2 or 3 to hit and implement users don't, I came up with this little number for all my games. Figured some others might like the idea and decided to post it up...

Non Weapon Implements have a +2 proficiency bonus. As long as you are proficient with the Implement you are using, you gain it's proficiency bonus towards your Implement attack powers.

Weapons used as Implements retain their proficiency bonus and apply it to implement powers as long as the user is proficient with the weapon as an implement (such as through feat or magic item benefit).

Superior Implements grant the user a +3 proficiency bonus.

Thoughts?
#2
misterarcane
Sep 11, 2010 0:46:24 Weapons have proficency because weapon attacks usually target AC.. which is 2-3 points higher on average. If you go with that house-rule, than implement users will have a very clear accuracy advantage over weapon users.

I would say 'no' to that houserule myself... monster defences and various attack powers are balenced around weapons having profecency and impliments not.
#3
salla
Sep 11, 2010 13:28:40
Weapons have proficency because weapon attacks usually target AC.. which is 2-3 points higher on average. If you go with that house-rule, than implement users will have a very clear accuracy advantage over weapon users.

I would say 'no' to that houserule myself... monster defences and various attack powers are balenced around weapons having profecency and impliments not.

What he said. That houserule is unequivocably a bad idea.
#4
ToeSama
Sep 11, 2010 13:35:44 Hmm... good point. Although, a few implement attack target AC as well (especially summons), so if there is a design process at work in that regard they're not following it very well...
#5
mplindustries
Sep 11, 2010 21:51:22
Hmm... good point. Although, a few implement attack target AC as well (especially summons), so if there is a design process at work in that regard they're not following it very well...

I don't think I've ever seen a summon that attacked AC. Which ones are you thinking of?

I can only remember a tiny handful of Implement vs. AC attacks, most specifically that crappy Psion power nobody should ever take.

#6
Igfig
Sep 11, 2010 22:54:23 I think there's a warlock power and a few artificer ones that are just Ability vs. AC (probably because they're supposed to be more damaging or something), but most of the vs. AC implement powers out there now are more like Ability + 2 vs. AC.

In other words, they've already accounted for it. Don't screw it up.
#7
snarky_monkey
Sep 18, 2010 23:12:00 Accounted for it or not, there is not reason not to give it a try in your games and see how it works out. The WOC designers are experienced but not perfect, as shown by the many updates that have been released, not to mention some of the "re-imagining" involved in the Essentials line.

So my thought is always try it out, if it works great, if not drop it.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
#1 ToeSama Sep 10, 2010 22:23:00	Because I think it's a little stupid for Weapon attacks to have an extra +2 or 3 to hit and implement users don't, I came up with this little number for all my games. Figured some others might like the idea and decided to post it up... Non Weapon Implements have a +2 proficiency bonus. As long as you are proficient with the Implement you are using, you gain it's proficiency bonus towards your Implement attack powers. Weapons used as Implements retain their proficiency bonus and apply it to implement powers as long as the user is proficient with the weapon as an implement (such as through feat or magic item benefit). Superior Implements grant the user a +3 proficiency bonus. Thoughts?
#2 misterarcane Sep 11, 2010 0:46:24	Weapons have proficency because weapon attacks usually target AC.. which is 2-3 points higher on average. If you go with that house-rule, than implement users will have a very clear accuracy advantage over weapon users. I would say 'no' to that houserule myself... monster defences and various attack powers are balenced around weapons having profecency and impliments not.
#3 salla Sep 11, 2010 13:28:40	Weapons have proficency because weapon attacks usually target AC.. which is 2-3 points higher on average. If you go with that house-rule, than implement users will have a very clear accuracy advantage over weapon users. I would say 'no' to that houserule myself... monster defences and various attack powers are balenced around weapons having profecency and impliments not. What he said. That houserule is unequivocably a bad idea.
#4 ToeSama Sep 11, 2010 13:35:44	Hmm... good point. Although, a few implement attack target AC as well (especially summons), so if there is a design process at work in that regard they're not following it very well...
#5 mplindustries Sep 11, 2010 21:51:22	Hmm... good point. Although, a few implement attack target AC as well (especially summons), so if there is a design process at work in that regard they're not following it very well... I don't think I've ever seen a summon that attacked AC. Which ones are you thinking of? I can only remember a tiny handful of Implement vs. AC attacks, most specifically that crappy Psion power nobody should ever take.
#6 Igfig Sep 11, 2010 22:54:23	I think there's a warlock power and a few artificer ones that are just Ability vs. AC (probably because they're supposed to be more damaging or something), but most of the vs. AC implement powers out there now are more like Ability + 2 vs. AC. In other words, they've already accounted for it. Don't screw it up.
#7 snarky_monkey Sep 18, 2010 23:12:00	Accounted for it or not, there is not reason not to give it a try in your games and see how it works out. The WOC designers are experienced but not perfect, as shown by the many updates that have been released, not to mention some of the "re-imagining" involved in the Essentials line. So my thought is always try it out, if it works great, if not drop it.