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| #1Mist-BoundMar 04, 2011 23:13:07 | Wasn't sure if this topic went here or in General, so forgive me if I have it wrong, alright? We're probably most of us aware that D&D has a certain reputation for creating strange and unlikely creatures from even stranger and more unlikely unions. Whether it be 3.x with its Half-Dragon/Demon/Devil/Angel/Whatever templates, 2e with its Orogs/Ogrillons/Cambions/Alu-Fiends/Etc, or even 4e with its retention of the Half-Elf/Orc/Dwarf, it doesn't look likely to be going anywhere soon. But I was wondering... how many of us out there have ever taken deliberate advantage of this trope? Who here has ever included an NPC couple based on a very unusual pairing - Elf and Dwarf, perhaps, or even voluntary male human with female orc? Or has done a quest that actually involves, in some notable role, two very different species that share a romantic or even sexual (off-screen, admittedly) relationship? The evil dragon that is kidnapping princesses of various races to create a powerful brood of half-dragon slaves - or its less common reveral in a dragoness that has fallen for a humanoid prince and abducted him to be her "mate", the elf princeling who hires the PCs to rescue a kidnapped human woman who turns out to be his lover/wife, that sort of thing. So, I started this topic to see if there are any of us out there who have played in a campaign where interspecies romance actually did come up in some way during the campaign. And this includes reflavoring races to be half-breeds ("Gnomes are the result of mating between an Eladrin and a Dwarf, with Halflings occuring when a Gnome mates with a Human or an Elf and a Dwarf mate", for example), for the curious. |
| #2SvempaMar 05, 2011 14:31:49 | So you mean to say that all those creatures actually have *gag* "unions"!? I would say in some cases they do, and in some they don't. It is is more of a magical mingling of traits like in the film where Saruman is brewing up his half-orc Uruk-hai. But half-elves yeah; can see that happening. Whatever floats your boat or does not offend your sensibilities. |
| #3formerlycuriousMar 05, 2011 14:37:01 | I did, back in the days of 3.5, create a circular diagram that placed the races in relation to the two adjacent to it. I think it went something like this: Human <---> Half-Elf <---> Elf <---> Gnome <---> Dwarf <---> Halfling <---> Goblin <---> Orc <---> Half-Orc <---> Human The diagram was by no means perfect, but it helped new players get a sense for the basic, very general stylistic differences between the races. As far as incorporating interspecies romance, no, I have not taken that step as a DM, though it is an interesting suggestion. I did, however, create a Half-Elf character who had a Human mother and a Half-Orc half-brother. It brought up interesting (and awkward) social situations where my character had to explain why he was so concerned for this Half-Orc. |
| #4DaybreakerMar 06, 2011 2:03:49 | In one of my campaigns, the winged celestial centaur PC hooked up with the hound archon PC, with a little bit of aid from the psi beholder PC. From this unholy trinity were spawned a quartet of brothers, each of whom combined in various degrees traits of dog, horse, bird and beholder, all in a basically humanoid form. That cracked everybody up. |
| #5chieftaintwilightMar 06, 2011 11:37:11 | excuse me, I have had alot of fun with Human-Orc pairings! what is so strang about a Female Orc and a Male Human consentually loving and sexing eachother?
I tend to feature interesting interspecies relations alot in my games. my brother had a character in a Forgotten Realms Campaign we did who had alot of half-brothers... one was Half-Orc, another was Half-Elf, yet another was Half-Dragon... and he himself could trace his heritage back through Elf, Orc, Dragon, Demon, Celestial, and just about any "magical" race! XD |
| #6yellowdingoMar 06, 2011 16:50:41 | Offspring 1. Midden Elf (Elf/Orc) 2. Bog Elf (Elf/Troll) 3. Plague Elf (Elf/Human) 4. Hobgoblin (Goblin/Elf) |
| #7chieftaintwilightMar 06, 2011 19:47:15 | huh... I have heard of an Elf-Orc child being called an Elruk. I think the name was taken from a Tolkien race, but I have seen actual official D&D cannon stats for it, as well as Homebrew ones. |
| #8jetshieldMar 06, 2011 21:24:03 | Given that I've run the same campaign world for more than 20 years, it's should come as no surprise that I've included just about every interspecies union that is even remotely biologically possible and some that required more than a small amount of magic to make work. As a player, I've had my share of characters that were in what some might see as unusual relationships. Most recently my elven mage married a goblin woman and moved to her tribe's camp. There have been a few difficulties, but I think he's well on the way to gaining the respect of the chieftan. |
| #9MechaPilotMar 07, 2011 0:21:31 | In a game full of magic, interspecies pairing and offspring shouldn't be that bizzare unless there are cultural mores against it. It's not unreasonable to assume that any interspecies couple interested in propogating could go to an alchemist for a potion that makes impregnation possible (and that's if you assume that they'll actually need help). One could always assume that the humanoid nature of races means a common ancestor somewhere along the line that makes procreation possible. Or you could just say the world is so flowing with magic that people and flowers can have kids together under the right conditions. |
| #10DaybreakerMar 07, 2011 2:40:39 | I always figured that if an orc and an elf have a child, it's likely to be a human. That's where humans come from, and that's why elves and orcs don't like to talk about it. |
| #11chieftaintwilightMar 07, 2011 13:56:41 | that seems odd, Daybreaker. o.O; is that seriously how it works in your Campaign? XD I'd love to see more detail on that.
and Jetshield, I huzzah for yur Elf! ^.^ good luck becoming an honourary Goblin. has he managed to be considered an official Tribesman yet? Mecha, thankyou for the voice of reason. I often dabbled with the thought of the Humanoid Progenitor Race myself. I like to keep it vague though, just that little thought as to why there are all these beings that look so much alike and can reproduce as though they were a single species. it's something the PCs have to figure out, if they even give that much thought to it. =w= |
| #12jetshieldMar 07, 2011 16:44:49 | has he managed to be considered an official Tribesman yet? The marriage ceremony made him officially a part of the tribe, but it granted him no tribal rank. The small amount of respect he had with the tribe was only through the rank his wife's family has. His willingness to work hard and his open admiration of their skills and ways has helped overcome a somewhat rocky start. Of course, being accepted as an apprentice to the tribe's shaman certainly hasn't hurt his standing. |
| #13chieftaintwilightMar 08, 2011 21:27:37 | aww, how sweet! ^.^ overcoming the hardships of a culture that is normally xenophobic, relying completely on his in-laws support, and realy putting himself out their to become one of them... I can only imagine the hardships he faces from his side of the family... bringing his wife to an Elven Court will make a very memorable impression, I'm sure, and there are definite difficulties with bringing his parents to the Tribe for dinner or celebration... how has his family reacted to his marriage? in my experience, Elves tend to be a very proud race...
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| #14jetshieldMar 09, 2011 10:51:01 | His elven family is divided about the issue. His elder sister is totally behind the union. She served in The War and her unit was saved from anhilation by a force that included humans, orcs, dwarves, goblins, and gnomes under the leadership of the last known human Adept (a war priest to a god who died in the war), so she's a strong supporter of the minority movement to exend friendship to other cultures. She was the only elven guest at the ceremony. His father isn't happy about it, but is willing to accept the union. From a few comments he's made, I believe he's starting to consider the advantages of possible trade with the tribe. The War's effects on the world were dramatic, and starvation and lack of resources is still a threat to survivors everywhere. His mother won't even speak his name anymore. She's declared him dead to her, and has forbidden his younger brother to contact him or acknowledge his existance. |
| #15chieftaintwilightMar 09, 2011 13:31:38 | eesh. serious drama there. I'm so diggin' the story. >w< realy gripping. I SO wanna know more! message me about it, I'd love to get the whole story. |
| #16MechaliburMar 09, 2011 17:44:41 | (Unnecesary technical note: Technically it's not interspecies if they can produce viable offspring) In a custom campaign setting, one the characters (a paladin) got involved with the high priestess of Heironeous. He later found out that she was a celestial, but by this point, she was already pregnant with his half-celestial child. We did another campaign in this setting, and this time the player played as the half-celestial son (and by this point, his dad was king of a nation). This campaign world also featured a somewhat interesting romance between a gay orc and human. Obviously it did not result in a child being born, but we did get a nice laugh when a succubus utterly failed at trying to seduce him. Unfortunately, the human was killed, so the relationship didn't last too long. In my campaign setting, this is how interspecies offspring work: Human - Dwarf: Can produce a sterile half-dwarf (called Muls). This kind of relationship is somewhat accepted in human society, and completely outlawed in dwarven. Human - Elf: Generally accepted by both races. The children live about 50% longer than humans Elf - Dwarf: Incapable of producing offspring. Nearly unheard of, and not accepted by either race. Human - Orc: In this campaign setting, orcs cannot cast magic, but half-orcs can. For this reason, orcs enjoy having half-blooded members in their clan, and sometimes go out of their way to get them. Humans somewhat accept half-orcs, but there is plenty of prejudice. Orc - Elf: Produces offspring similar to a half-orc/half-human, but has pointier ears, and is sterile. Since they are capable of casting magic, orcs accept them in their clan. |
| #17chieftaintwilightMar 09, 2011 23:10:54 | XD epic, a Succubus failing to seduce even an Orc. on the grounds that he's Gay. that must have been quite the moment of memory. I like the set-up you've got. I may start considering mutations and sterile half-breed races myself for my campaign.... |
| #18vlazreusMar 21, 2011 20:23:06 | In my home-brew setting, half elves are fairly common along with orc/human crossings. Dwarf/orc crossings create Dworcs, horribly deformed little creatures who are generally insane and frowned upon by both races (though that doesn't stop the orcs from using them as cannon fodder) elf/orc crossings are relatively rare, but the genes tend to blend well. the offspring are generally attractive combining the positive aspects of both races, while losing the brutish, primitive features of the orcs. the males have herculean physiques and the women are voluptuous and attractive. the orcish traits show mainly through skin color, sharper teeth (sometimes fangs) and a more broad-shouldered, fuller build than the skinny elves. many crossings are physically possible, but many produce messed up offspring, and are frowned upon by most cultures, and generally only result from the experiments of mad mage-scientests and **** over the course of warfare. I haven't actually played in this setting enough for anything like this to happen though. |
| #19Janx_14Mar 25, 2011 0:15:12 | While their characters had surprisingly little contact in my last campaign (to the point I dont think they even said a word to eachother), a couple in my gaming group had their characters start off together of sorts. Their a female dragonborn paladin, and a male tiefling...custom class that reminds me of Nero from DMC. I guess their kids would be d-born with tails! |
| #20yellowdingoMar 27, 2011 5:20:29 | I always figured that if an orc and an elf have a child, it's likely to be a human. That's where humans come from, and that's why elves and orcs don't like to talk about it. Except this 'human' would still have pointy ears... Historically there are a few. Gremlin is the child of Kobolt (origin of Kobold) and Gobelin (Origin of Goblin). Hobgoblin is child of Hob (Parent of Elf) and Goblin. |