KotS Continuity Question - Downloaded from the Wizards Community, all coding removed by Solauren

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#1 krysis7 May 28, 2008 23:36:26	So maybe I'm missing something in the module, but while reading through it I noticed this... Show At the burial site the PCs have a chance to end up with a relic that Kalarel is going to use to collapse the seal. How is it that he doesn't end up with this object but seems very close to collapsing the seal when the PCs show up? I suppose it could be that the mirror just makes the ritual easier for him. Or maybe there are multiple rituals he needs to do to open it anad he hasn't gotten to the mirror part yet?
#2 krysis7 May 29, 2008 10:45:21	No one? So many people tearing apart KotS on here and I'm the only one that noticed this?
#3 wyrdwalker May 29, 2008 12:39:55	No one? So many people tearing apart KotS on here and I'm the only one that noticed this? I just chalk it up to a plot hole.... in the floor.
#4 Loki5654 May 29, 2008 13:08:04	Here's what I think: Show The way I think I'll run it is that the mirror is the crucial element of the ritual that would keep Kalarel from being dragged into the Shadowfell if he is defeated while performing the ritual. The mirror is part of his "save my own hide" contingency plan. That's why he put Agrid the gnome in charge of finding it for him. If the goblinoid forces found out he was afraid of being defeated, they might be less likely to follow a "weak" leader. Just a thought, anyway.
#5 krysis7 May 29, 2008 13:18:05	Here's what I think: Show The way I think I'll run it is that the mirror is the crucial element of the ritual that would keep Kalarel from being dragged into the Shadowfell if he is defeated while performing the ritual. The mirror is part of his "save my own hide" contingency plan. That's why he put Agrid the gnome in charge of finding it for him. If the goblinoid forces found out he was afraid of being defeated, they might be less likely to follow a "weak" leader. Just a thought, anyway.
#6 senorcoo May 30, 2008 6:13:18	I also like the save your own hide angle, but another explanation could be that perhaps he found a ritual scroll (in the area where the goblins are digging) that could replicate whatever function the mirror is supposed to have.
#7 smerg May 30, 2008 10:37:16	Depends on if you decide that the gnome has the item on him if he is defeated. If the gnome does not have the item on him at the end of the battle then you can assume that another of K's people is watching and waiting till the players move away to move in and recover the item. Another possible choice is to decide that K will purposely leak his location after the player's have the relic. K will believe that the players are going to goof up and die in the keep allowing him to recover the item. If the player's finally reach K in the final battle, you can have K start with a big line like, 'Ahh, right on schedule. I am so happy that you brought the relic that I need to complete the ceremony. It was most kind of you to carry it here. As a reward, I will let you be the first souls offered up to Orcus as the gate is opened.' That should tick off the players and make them feel silly for carrying the relic all through the adventure. If the players bury it or try to hide then again, have one of K's agents be watching secretly and recover it. The agent can step forward from the shadows just as the players are about to interrupt the ceremony. Again, good times for the DM rubbing the recovery of the relic into the player's faces to set them in a mood for a final battle.

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krysis7

May 28, 2008 23:36:26

So maybe I'm missing something in the module, but while reading through it I noticed this...

At the burial site the PCs have a chance to end up with a relic that Kalarel is going to use to collapse the seal. How is it that he doesn't end up with this object but seems very close to collapsing the seal when the PCs show up? I suppose it could be that the mirror just makes the ritual easier for him. Or maybe there are multiple rituals he needs to do to open it anad he hasn't gotten to the mirror part yet?

krysis7

May 29, 2008 10:45:21

No one? So many people tearing apart KotS on here and I'm the only one that noticed this?

wyrdwalker

May 29, 2008 12:39:55

No one? So many people tearing apart KotS on here and I'm the only one that noticed this?

I just chalk it up to a plot hole.... in the floor.

Loki5654

May 29, 2008 13:08:04

Here's what I think:

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The way I think I'll run it is that the mirror is the crucial element of the ritual that would keep Kalarel from being dragged into the Shadowfell if he is defeated while performing the ritual.

The mirror is part of his "save my own hide" contingency plan. That's why he put Agrid the gnome in charge of finding it for him. If the goblinoid forces found out he was afraid of being defeated, they might be less likely to follow a "weak" leader.

Just a thought, anyway.

krysis7

May 29, 2008 13:18:05

Here's what I think:

Show
The way I think I'll run it is that the mirror is the crucial element of the ritual that would keep Kalarel from being dragged into the Shadowfell if he is defeated while performing the ritual.

The mirror is part of his "save my own hide" contingency plan. That's why he put Agrid the gnome in charge of finding it for him. If the goblinoid forces found out he was afraid of being defeated, they might be less likely to follow a "weak" leader.

Just a thought, anyway.

senorcoo

May 30, 2008 6:13:18

I also like the save your own hide angle, but another explanation could be that perhaps he found a ritual scroll (in the area where the goblins are digging) that could replicate whatever function the mirror is supposed to have.

smerg

May 30, 2008 10:37:16

Depends on if you decide that the gnome has the item on him if he is defeated.

If the gnome does not have the item on him at the end of the battle then you can assume that another of K's people is watching and waiting till the players move away to move in and recover the item.

Another possible choice is to decide that K will purposely leak his location after the player's have the relic. K will believe that the players are going to goof up and die in the keep allowing him to recover the item.

If the player's finally reach K in the final battle, you can have K start with a big line like, 'Ahh, right on schedule. I am so happy that you brought the relic that I need to complete the ceremony. It was most kind of you to carry it here. As a reward, I will let you be the first souls offered up to Orcus as the gate is opened.'

That should tick off the players and make them feel silly for carrying the relic all through the adventure. If the players bury it or try to hide then again, have one of K's agents be watching secretly and recover it. The agent can step forward from the shadows just as the players are about to interrupt the ceremony. Again, good times for the DM rubbing the recovery of the relic into the player's faces to set them in a mood for a final battle.