Lords of Creation is a play-by-post cooperative world-building game in which the players take on the role of gods, with the full powers and influence thereof. The goal of this is to produce a campaign world complete with history, pantheon, geography, races, creatures, and anything you could possibly imagine. One of the best elements is that the world is entirely organic; ancient wars, cultural growth, and divine conflicts are actually the result of warring interests, rather than being pulled whole cloth from a single person’s imagination. This provides diversity that you just can’t find anywhere else. And of course, we have a LOT of fun along the way.
Lords of Creation: Chaos Within
Gods use Action Points (AP) to influence the world. Every week of real time, each player gains a number of AP proportionate to his god's power and level of influence; gods with many great works and armies of worshippers will gain AP faster, as will those who conduct great roleplaying and help influence the world. Your weekly AP starts at 4, and-if you've been playing well-can be as high as 9. AP is assigned by the game's admins. You have until the end of sunday each week to use your AP from the prior week, otherwise it is lost.
You can spend AP to conduct various actions. Some example divine actions, and their corresponding AP costs, are as follows:
Command - Command is used to issue divine orders. This can be as simple as ordering a hill to form to the creation of a volcanic mountain range. Or it could be used to order your worshippers to war against another faction or to teach people how to perform special actions. The exact potencty of ther action is determined by the amount of AP that is spend. Examples are shown below.
Command Land (1 AP): Glykllivar smote her spear into the ocean floor, causing a volcano to erupt from the spot. The lava flowed and the hardened, creating an island.
Command Populace (1 AP): The Sage appeared to the elven shamans in their dreams, teaching them the making of certain artifacts. When they awoke, they began scribing their magic on parchment, to make spellbooks and scrolls; the first Wizards had appeared.
Command Land (2 AP): Kur-ah strode along the center of the world, magma dripping from his body. Where it hardened, mountains formed, creating a new chain of hills and cliffs going across the continent.
Command Populace (2 AP): Morintu sent his exarch to preach to the primitive humans. Soon, these people were worshippers of Morintu, and sent armies to the nearby elven lands to conquer them in his name.
Command Land (3 AP): Kyrinian stole a handful of fire from Kur-ah's volcano, throwing it into the sky to create the sun.
Populate/Depopulate - Populate is used to create life of all kinds in the world.
Populate Birds (1AP): Mariana lifted a handful of sand and threw it into the air. From the cascade, birds of many hues and types flew forth into thhe world.
Populate Pegasus (2 AP): From her divine realm, Artheyan looked down upon the wild horses that dwelt in her green fields. She raised her hand skyward, and several of the horses darted upward, using their new, feathery wings to fly.
Populate Populace (3 AP): When Britmara bathed herself in the cool lake, her power and wisdom took form amid the water. When she left the pool, so too did a newborn race; the werewolves.
Depopulate is an action that is rarely appropriate, and represents the complete genocide of a species, and is often not possible until all nourishes and other benefits have been stripped from that group. Please confer with the admins if you wish to use this action.
Nourish/Harm - Used to help/hurt things.
Nourish Land (1 AP): Wherever Artheyan's tears of grief fell upon the land, grasses and shrubs sprang up, bringing new life to this formerly barren land.
Nourish Populace (1 AP): The prayers of the villagers were answered that year; their newly planted fields flourished beyond measure. Their population and wealth began to increase, allowing them to expand northward and colonize new lands.
Harm Land (1 AP): Pollux cried out, and the forest withered and burned under his fiery gaze
Harm Populace (1 AP): The rampaging armies of lizardmen torched the fields of the halflings, and famine fell upon them.
Create/Destroy
Create Artifact (1AP): Tzu handed the warrior a silver spear, a relic that would be passed down for generations.
Create Plane (2 AP): Ooulzoth took one of his aberrant beasts and made it grow to a colossal size. The creature was now big enough to house entire armies within its body, and Ooulzoth built his palace within its stomach.
Create Domain (3 AP): Lexius drew a complex diagram across the map, using preexisting landmarks like islands and rivers as part of his immense sigil. As he completed the diagram, power pulsed through the bones of the world, and arcane magic was unleashed freely for anyone to use.
Create Exarch (3 AP): Morintu took the mortal Icoscol into the sky, and allowed him to overlook the mortal world from above. "This can all be yours, someday."
Create Artifact (3 AP): Kakavindus sat down in his dark palace, and began creating an ebony mask. He poured all of his cunning, malice, and lust for power into the artifact, imbuing it with terrible powers. This artifact could be used by gods and mortals alike to achieve awful things.
Create Plane (4 AP): Elyndra left this world into the void beyond, tapping into the basest part of her essence to create a realm for those who shared her ways, the Feywild
Create Avatar (4 AP): There was a flash of eldritch lightning, and a silvery, iridescent figure walked the mortal world.
Destroy costs are typically the same as create costs, but may require additional actions in preparation. For instance, destroying an untended artifact is simple, but destroying an artifact which is currently in the posession of another God may require additional actions, either RP or via AP (such as defeating or tricking that God). Destroying planes and avatars will always require additional thought and preparation. Feel free to confer with the admins regarding your plans and they will give you advice on how to proceed.
Abjure Region (2 AP) - Prevents other gods from affecting an area of your choice for the remainder of the week, unless they physically come to the area. You must remain at the area in question. If you leave, the effect immediately ends.
Claim Domain - Allows Gods to increase their portfolio of domains (see below for examples)
Ascend God (2 AP) - A 2 AP action which brings a new player into the game (See below)
Whenever you spend AP, you must be very specific about what you are doing. Artifacts must have their powers listed, races must have an origin point, etc. Also, you can't hoard AP; every week, you lose any leftover APs you have and start anew. You can begin an action with your AP in one week which is completed in the following week. Also, keep in mind thatyou can share AP with another god for a big, joint project; creating a plane is much easier when each god only spends 2 AP, as long as the two are willing to share their creation.
Sometimes, gods will fight. This is okay and not discouraged, but it should be something that is discussed with the god you plan to attack, and if possible deciding the outcome ahead of time in the OOC or by other means. Attacking another god costs 1 AP. Note that you may NOT kill another player's god unless that player gives you his or her permission OOC beforehand. If you defeat a god whose player isn't willing to give him up, than that god is subdued without being killed. In the case where both gods have committed to fighting but neither side is willing to lose, consult the admins and the victor will be determined by the power of the gods involved, any combat related artifacts they might possess, and other circumstances involved (such as a 'home base' advantage.)
New Gods
Starting Gods begin with 7 AP their first week, which drops to the usual 4 AP/week at the first reset. New Gods are also given 3 AP before their creation to choose their starting domains (the spheres of influence your God is patron of) with. You may choose one greater domain, one moderate and one lesser domain, or three lesser domains.
Example Greater domains: Life, Knowledge, Time
Example Moderate domains: Nature, Language, Seasons
Example Lesser domains: Dryads, Education, Springtime
A larger (but by no means exaustive) list of domains may be found here: Domains
To express interest in the game, please fill out and post the following in the OOC thread. An admin will contact you and let you know if everything checks out, at which point you will be ready to play once you have been ascended (or, in some cases, allowed to self-ascend).
Name:
Greater Domains:
Moderate Domains:
Lesser Domains:
Physical Appearance:
Divine Symbol:
NEW GAME REQUIREMENT
We'd like to know from EVERY player how you would like to enter the game. You have two options: Ascension by another player, or self-ascension.
Ascension by another player can look like a lot of things. Examples:
Glole laid aside his hammer and looked on his sculpture. He breathed upon it with the breath of Life and the marble lips parted as Simala breathed her first breath.
Rillek stumbled and his cup of god-stuff sloshed, sending droplets of sheer potentiality downwards, where they hit a rock. And the Rock began to think, and Hrmn was born.
Patri knew she had to hide the stolen timey-wimey thing, but nothing was dark enough. She willed a deeper and deeper darkness into a shadow, and deep in that darkness, something awoke.
Tra attacked Tri and ripped out a chunk of Godflesh, throwing it aside as Tra renewed its assault. The flesh flew, and as it flew, it changed...
Basically, ascension can be a concious act, an unconcious act, an intentional act or an unintentional act. The parent or child God can know who their parent/child is, or not. We've generally found that the best stories come from Gods who have relationships, even unknown ones, with other Gods, and reccomend it.
If, however, you have a compelling reason/desire to be self-ascended, that is fine as well, but we'd like to to come up with an interesting reason why your God has come to be at a particular moment (aka, the god of Darkness doesn't exist simply because there is now a light source and a solid object).
To self ascend, if you see a point in-game that would be an interesting place for you to enter into the world, post it here and tell us what you are thinking, and we'll most likely say 'GO!
If each God could post and say how they would like to be ascended, that would be great. Once you've done that, you're all set to go!
Links and Tips
wiki
LoC Group
AP Expenditures Entry Form (Please use whenever you do an action!)
AP Expenditures Log
We also sometimes get together to chat about things at chat.mibbit.com room #LoC.
Tips for New Gods:
LoC Group
AP Expenditures Entry Form (Please use whenever you do an action!)
AP Expenditures Log
We also sometimes get together to chat about things at chat.mibbit.com room #LoC.
Tips for New Gods:
- make sure that what you make makes sense, not only to you, but also to others that will interact with you.
- make it fun! remember: You are a god! take it and run! Not only that, but also, you will be playing this god for some time. Make sure it is some thing that you are going to want to play just like any other character.
- don't get discouraged if some one messes with something you did. this is an interactive game where we are trying to build something. instead get creative!
- conflict is not only great, but makes for great rp! open hostility is not great though. We are all adults here (mostly) lets try to act like it. I highly encourage conflict, it makes for some fun times, I don't encourage actively arguing/flaming/singling some one out though. it brings down the whole game for everyone and makes for bad gaming.
- Build! Anything! Everything! Whatever! you get AP every week! use it! have fun with it! AP represents your power: the more you use it the stronger you become!
- As I said before: Get creative! this is a game where the sky is not only not the limit, but the stars, the moon(s), and everything you can think of including the sun can be messed with!
- Fluff has more power in this game than AP does and is free. The more of it the better the outcomes.
- Write lots! Write little. But just write. A god that doesn't write just sits there. Don't just sit there! You have a world to build!
- Interact with others. If no one is interacting with you, go interact with them. If they ignore you, then do something small. If they persist to ignore you then do some thing grand! You will get someone's attention!
Admins and Players
Admins:
ff6Shadow (head admin): Marcus, God of Order.
Topheh : Agni, God of Fire.
Joran1313 : Zebus, God of Death
Players:
Jamespies: Pruinus, Goddess of Cold
Pen_Draggin: Leaf, God of Life.
Crimson_Vampr: Onus, God of Stone.
TheForgottenCommand: Azgo, God of Pestilence
Raven-of-Dreams: Sa, God of Flowers & Promises.
Aradeia: Yr, God of Good.
Thought: Tasoe, God of Evil
Aldii: Thereus, God of Magma
Moondoggy: Urru, God of Light
Rimmon: Altruis, God of Undeath
Krika: Karak, God of Corruption
Not yet Ascended:
Khan_the_Destroyer: Kuranath, God of Orcs, Tactics, & Courage.
Withdrawn:
LinYurenya: Anke Dui, God of Travel & Survival.
PinkPonyPrincess: Umbra, God of Darkness
ff6Shadow (head admin): Marcus, God of Order.
Topheh : Agni, God of Fire.
Joran1313 : Zebus, God of Death
Players:
Jamespies: Pruinus, Goddess of Cold
Pen_Draggin: Leaf, God of Life.
Crimson_Vampr: Onus, God of Stone.
TheForgottenCommand: Azgo, God of Pestilence
Raven-of-Dreams: Sa, God of Flowers & Promises.
Aradeia: Yr, God of Good.
Thought: Tasoe, God of Evil
Aldii: Thereus, God of Magma
Moondoggy: Urru, God of Light
Rimmon: Altruis, God of Undeath
Krika: Karak, God of Corruption
Not yet Ascended:
Khan_the_Destroyer: Kuranath, God of Orcs, Tactics, & Courage.
Withdrawn:
LinYurenya: Anke Dui, God of Travel & Survival.
PinkPonyPrincess: Umbra, God of Darkness
Holy Symbol: Sharp, Snowy Mountaintop, contained in a ring of ice. Worshippers of Pruinus sometimes carve the symbol to wear around their neck.
Appearance: Priuinus takes the form of a beautiful women whose body is entirely composed of ice. She appears as if she has been carved from ice perfectly, with not a single flaw or rough patch. Her hair appears to be that of a mortal Humans hair with light blonde-ish white colour, only frosty and encased in ice. her eyes emmanate soft blue pulsing light. Upon her shoulders are a set of beautiful angellic wings, these wings are made of pure white snow. It is said she creates mighty blizzards simply by flapping her wings. Despite her entire body being composed of ice, her movement, expressions and actions all appear to be those that a normal human could do.
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For those having trouble envisioning this, my god likes very simillar to ice sculpture in the link above, but with the addition of features such as more human air, glowing blue eyes and snow wings. The avatar I am using on the wiki is meant to represent her also. Shiva from the Final Fantasy Series is also another good indicator to her appearance.
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Greater Domain: Cold.
Moderate Domain: N/A
Lesser Domain: N/A (Arctic animals and spirits of cold may be added later)
(For what I envision my god doing, I thought it would be best to use a very general term for her domain, which is why i picked Cold but lesser domains could include Winter, Snow, Frost and Ice.)
Misc/Personality: Pruinus believes that cold is naught but a sensation. If nothing exists to feel the cold, then its presence may as well not exist. As such, outside of her control of all things cold, Pruinus is very much pro-life and a benevolent god. She always believes the harshness of cold is a much needed challenge to living creatures. For if they endure the cold, they grow stronger. Some life may be lost, but what remains behind is toughen by the experience. The presence of frost and ice brings new creatures into the world, as well as purging the weak. As such, she creates cold areas of the world for these creatures to thrive in. As said before, she is a benevolent god and does not wish to see the world encased in ice, and appreciates that other areas of the world, such as foressts, savannahs and desserts all belong in the natural order of life. That said, she is fierce about her beliefs and is no push-over, she will fight for her cause and does not back down easily.
So Yeah, thats my god this time round. let me know if anything else needs explaining.
Only problem is... you have too many domains. By my count, you have 7 AP points dedicated to domains (1 greater = 3 and 2 moderate = 4) when the starting limit is 3. I'd say take cold and then grab the other two (which can probably just be lesser domains) soon after you start.
I'll get my god up shortly... juggling a few non-compatible ideas around in my head at the moment.
I should have made that clear though, apologies there.
When it comes to elements, Ice is probably my favourote and I don't understand the whole "Ice is nasty" Stigma often attached to characters associated with the element. Probably just because people think they're being really subtle and clever by giving them personality traits such as "Cold-Hearted" and "Icy"
You sure about thse domains?
I can kinda agree with the cold spirits being quite specific but I was thinking that domain over All creatures that live in cold habitats would be a moderate domain because it still emcompasses quite a lot. To give me the amount of control you get with a minor domain to such a large populace might be a little unfair and I'd be willing to accept it as a moderate domain.
That said, If thats how you judge it then I'll go by your verdict.
Edit: Then again, the Wiki lists Animals as moderate, so If I limit myself to a smaller selection of animals then I guess It should count as minor.
Life ---> Animals --> Cold Animals --> Arctic Foxes --> Arctic Foxes of the hollow of Whitetop --> The Family of Bushytail of the Noble race of Arctic Foxes who live in the hollow of Whitetop --> The personal deity of Timmy Bushytail, teenager Arctic Fox of Whitetop Glen Highschool.
These foxes got more intelligent as I went, it seems
But yeah. I mean, you're welcome to make them moderate if you'd like, but I figured you'd want to save the AP for more interesting things!
I'd probably be best to change "Creatures that live in arctic places" to something like "Creatures native to arctic places" although it would be fun to exploit that wording when THE EVIL FIRE ARMY OF DOOM marches upon my land, and upon setting foot on snow find themselves under my control and i order them to punch each other to death.
Greater Domain: Death (in regards to guiding and rebirth)
Physical Appearance:Sporting a round rice hat, and a kimono, Zebus has long white hair. A short man of human-like proportions, if found walking around he'd probably blend in near perfectly. A sharp chin, yet with soft features adorn his almost loveable face.
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think kyurako jirou from bleach only with silvery white hair instead
EDIT: I will be playing, for sure, just realized I didn't mention that...
Reminds me of a psychopomp (Silly-sounding word I know) a greek legend said to guide souls to the afterlife, and that has always been one of my favourote fantasy tropes.
If I wasn't playing my current god I'd probably play something like that :D
EDIT: Briefly skimming the IC threads my guess is that the lore behind the universe,gods and the world is written by the admins in a short of "Each person adds something to the story" although given that each game has a title such as Chaos Within, its discussed beforehand.
I must admit, some of these threads it was quite hard for me to figure out the exact point when the stage stops being set and and actual play begins.
EDIT #2: Without a doubt, if we ever get to a stage of rising heroic individuals from our creations, Timmy Bushtail is getting an honourable mention.
My first thoughts are a god of Travel, Surviving/Survival and Luck, but I'm assuming those are all moderate domains so I'll have to pick and choose first? Can I take two moderate and one lesser domain or is it strictly one each of greater, moderate and lesser, or three lesser?
Either way, I don't envision him taking a greater domain ever, or at least not in the near future.
His form will be a hare the size of a large dog, and he prefers to spend his time actually travelling the world rather than sit up on a high pedestal in the clouds looking down over his minions.
James: The name isn't always discussed beforehand.....lol there have been a few where the name wasn't decided till long after the game was over! The only part of "lore" that is done by the admins and not the players is the very first post of the IC thread. Its kinda like a hook to get people playing and to set a baseline so everyone knows here is the beginning. That first post is what sets the stage, and everything after it is the show!
But don't take my word for it.
Shardworlds, Galara, AR: Don't know, wasn't around when they started, but shardworlds was an offshoot of a prior LoC, and AR's name wasn't chosen until after the game ended.
Lightvoid: Only the first post and who/what would be ascended in it was pre-planned. Name was more or less meaningless.
Worldwarp: Overall plan for the game was established before it started (two pocket universes, one vaguely Alison-in-Wonderland, one vaguely Cthulu-ish floating through the void and eventually colliding). Beyond that, and a division of which Gods were going to which universe, nothing was pre-planned.
Gates of Eternity: Like Lightvoid. First post planned out in advance. Name took on greater meaning as the game progressed.
Sheltering Dark: This was the most extensive framing story, and lasted somewhere around 20 posts or so.
Balance of Powers: Concept and initial creation of opposite divinities were planned. Anubis attacking me right out of the gate... not planned. Name wasn't chosen until after the game ended.
Chaos Within: Joran has a starting post prepared to set the theme, and beyond that... we'll see where we end up!
And GOOD. Timmy Bushytail deserves an epic quest. He's got a personal God, after all
@Lin: Welcome! I like your domain ideas, but as Joran said, you'd need to pick a subset to start with (not that you couldn't expand to the others in your first week's worth of AP). You could probably argue that 'survival' is a lesser domain if you want.
@Salmon: Welcome back! My gut is that there wouldn't be a problem with that, assuming you had some common-sense restrictions on it (no auto-winning fights by teleporting away, no omniscient knowledge of all things that all lizards see, etc). I'll let other admins weigh in if they think otherwise. Sounds like a cool concept!
Edit: Actually, James brings up an important point, in that you'll have to figure out how to differentiate that from an Avatar. I can think of a few ideas, so PM me if you want them.
I assmumed that the game started when Altair pulled his mask off and the universe was created, I might have to read some more of that.
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.Name: Kuranath
Greater Domains: NA
Moderate Domains: NA
Lesser Domains: Orcs, Courage, Tactics
Physical Appearance: Kuranath appears as a tall, heavily muscled man with green-gray skin and dark brown eyes. His hair is black and long, tied in a ponytail and he wears a long fur cloak over battle-worn leathers. His hands are bandaged, showing only the fingers, and he wields a great two-handed sword.
Divine Symbol: A mountain with a two-handed sword lying across it diagonally.
A god of the orcs, but in this case the orcs are brave defenders on the mountains protecting the realms from monsters on the other side. (Well, that's the idea anyways
.)One thing I'm a little disappointed is (To no-one's fault, I can't force you to play certain gods) that i've yet to see any god I see myself opposing or in conflict with. Then again, this could change in game as my god how I envision her cares a lot more about alignment and personality then domains. (She could easily ally herself with a god of heat or fire if they shared similar beliefs.)
Greater Domains: NA
Moderate Domains: NA
Lesser Domains: Flowers, Promises
Physical Appearance: Little: A whirling mass of petals and flower blossoms. These can either drift about in a lazy cyclone of air, or whirl tightly ano approximate the form of a more corporeal being. There is nothing stopping Sa from corporating more fully into the world, if he should so choose, but most of the time he chooses to remain slightly out of synch, and as such barely registers a physical presence.
Divine Symbol: None. Semi-officially, any flower (or otherwise blossoming plant)
Sa is a god of culture. He is easygoing, and usually quite amicable. He does not seek power or blind worship, and finds intriguing those who break norms, whatever those might be. He loathes exploitation of any sort, and prefers comfort and peace of mind. Rather than outright conquer or obvious proselytizing, Sa would prefer to alter events until the primacy and utility of his worldview seems a foregone conclusion. He is reactionary, and meticulous, not rash and impulsive. Sa places great pride on the value of spoken word, but true to his ephemeral nature, prefers the flexibility of promises to the strictness of oaths.
Holy Symbol: A hare leaping over a setting sun, with two long grass leaves held in its mouth
Appearance: Anke Dui typically wears the shape of a hare the size of a large dog, with a white line of fur running from behind his ears to either side of his body, ending in a simple swirl pattern on the muscles of his hind legs. His eyes always radiate a calm, ancient wisdom to all mortal beings, and only other Gods will ever be able to spark a merciless burning anger in these windows to Anke Dui's mighty powerful soul.
The appearance he can don as well is that of a humanoid, so covered in cloth that it is impossible to mark it down to any humanoid race. With a wide hat, a walking stick, knapsack and thick leather shoes he is the epitomy of the travellers and nomads he so dearly protects and guides.
Greater Domain: N/A
Moderate Domain: Travel
Lesser Domain: Survival
Misc/Personality: Anke Dui is a gentle God, neutral in almost all feuds and conflicts between the gods, despite the... problems he sometimes has with Zebus, whom he finds is sometimes overeager in guiding a soul from its body. While the world (or worlds) is yet young he delights in showing himself to the creations of the gods, guiding them through peril and across new landscapes. He has discovered a simple delight in bringing the creations of his peers to new locations, causing strife when a species were to remain in a set area equally often as bringing joy by spreading the creations to new lands where they can grow and prosper.
That's it so far, like Joran I'll wait and see how he'll evolve once in the game ^^. Also, hey Joran! Long time no see!
@Topheh: Thank you! I did take Survival as a lesser domain, as you can see. I kinda need it for the concept I have in mind for Anke Dui so I thought I'd take the chance you provided to stuff it in there
@James; heh, it would be...unusual to create a God of Travel, Survival and Fire... it certainly would make for an interesting combination!
So, what? no gods of time and travel in little blue boxes? :P
No, just saying a god of survival might have some troubles with the god of death
So, do we have any idea when the actual game is starting?
Also, do we get to have a say in what order the gods appear?
I think gods that are more fundamental to the laws of reality as we know it should appear first and just my opinion, even though that i joined early I just can't imagine a god of ice being one of the first gods to arrive in the universe. Somewhere around 5-6th god would be my preference, but I'll do whatever is convenient for the story and the majority of players.
Name: Yr, Mother Moon and the Sister Suns
Holy Symbol: One large disk of opal or silver with seven smaller golden disks arranged around it.
Appearance: Her appearance varies depending on whom you might ask. To the elves she may be a beautiful maiden with her long silvery hair trailing into a pool in which seven golden koi are swimming. Or she may be a fierce dryad with branches for hair, where seven small sparrows roost if you ask the fey. Or to the giants she may be a female of their own race with her belly swollen with her seven young. The specifics of her appearance vary, but the 7 and 1 details remain always.
Major Domain: Belief/Faith
Moderate: NA
Lesser Domains: (To add later) Sun, Moon and Stars
Misc: I have what I think is a somewhat cool idea for the moon and sun for this world. Eventually I'd like to branch out domain-wise, but I'd like to focus on what I have ideas for at first. I actually have several ideas, and so what I think I'm going to do is leave the creation of the sun and moon and stars somewhat ambiguous, and then give a similar, but different in the exact details, myth to various races that worship her.
I'll beef this post up later. Sort of excited already!
EDIT: Changed around my domains a bit.
EDITEDIT: Committed to Faith/Belief (not sure which I'm going to use officially yet) and specified her appearance a bit.
James, to answer your questions:
a) Not sure. Shadow has mysteriously vanished, and I don't particularly feel like starting without our head admin present. That said, if he's not around by next weekend... we'll start.
b) Sure. Of course, it all depends on what Gods people feel like playing. Ice and Fire seem like good starting opposites, for instance, so that would be a good set to start with, but thats obviously not the *only* possibility.
Ara. Figured you'd show up eventually. :D
I didn't feel like Ice/Cold was fundamental enough for one of the first gods, but a god of fire would mean we are the opposite ends of Temparature, which is quite a fundamental aspect of nature.
Edit: On Second Thought (No disrespect here, nor am I slating anyone's concepts) a lot of the other current gods don't control Domains "fundamental" to existance.
I wouldn't consider Flowers/Promises, Travel/Survival and Orcs/Courage/Tactics central to existance, but thats just me. I was assuming that All starting gods would be something seen as a omnipotent forces such as death, life, justice ETC . But It's not my place to say when gods of certain domains arrive. If the first god to rise in this universe is the god of Candyfloss, so be it.
Name: Agni
Symbol: A burning mask
Appearance: A large (10-20 feet tall, about half as wide) horned stone mask/skull with deep, carved lines which glitter with finely-carved runes inlaid with precious gems. The glow of hot magma can be seen in its large, staring eyes, and hot magma regularly drips from an open, leering mouth.
Greater Domains: Fire
Moderate Domains: NA (Eventually Language)
Lesser Domains: NA
Personality/Misc: Not sure, but I know he'll be callous, among other things.
And then of course claiming them as domains in time.
Name: Leaf
Greater Domains: Life
Moderate Domains:
Lesser Domains:
Physical Appearance: Leaf takes his name after his appearance. Or maybe the other way around? Leaf is a small god that appears like a single deciduous leaf that has been stretched, bent, and impressed into a into a humanoid shape. The stem of the leaf forms a topknot for him. The veins of his leafy body cruve and cross in the pattern of plate armor. He carried a long spear called Thorn, or will once I can create it. I might also make a squirrel mount for him, later.
Divine Symbol: A leaf
Concept: A god of plants/life, and the indifferent "laws" of nature. However, Leaf does have a special spot in his heart for intelligent people: teaching them how to make boats (because leaves on water float, displaying the concept of bouyancy), build fires, etc. Or that's my plan, at least.
EDIT: Oh. I had the idea of having him challenge others often. Sort of like Sir Didymus, from the movie The Labyrinth. A brave god, but not the strongest or wisest to back that bravery up.
But the others were a god of language (which I still intend to do) who spoke out of a thousand mouths in a thousand languages (now that God will be an exarch of mine), a god of Water and a god of Chaos (as a challenge to me as I usually play very... 'order-y' gods.
@Topheh: I normally stick to Goody two shoes characters when roleplaying and I'm kinda doing the same thing here.
However, under the right conditions I'd allow my god to die and continue playing as a new god whose concept I have thought out who is a lot more villainous.
anyways! There are always room for players! And just because a domain has been "claimed" doesn't mean that there cant be more than one of. I would say let the concepts be different though. I think the concepts are different enough yet similar that they wont clash, but work well, and it will make my job just that more fun!
As for who all gets in first, second, w/e...... well it really depends on how many people we have signed up by game start and relavence. I believe that if we have a lot of people signed up when we start, then we will take X number of players and those are the first ascended. After that it is a matter of time. If we don't have a lot of players, well......we'll see!
and James: you don't need to die to become evil! You just need the right motivations to become evil! (like cookies!)
By the way I highly believe that cake and cookies are fundemental building blocks of the universe!
God Name: Bura.
Greater Domain: Sugar
Moderate Domain: NA
Lesser Domain: NA
Appearance: Typically an amorphous storm of snow-white sugar, Bura is capable of temporarially carmalizing herself into a humanoid shape when the need demands. Is constantly trying to pass off cookies to other Gods. One of her titles is 'Mistress of Snickerdoodles', although the meaning of this is lost to the ages.
Divine Symbol: A smiling, happy face.
In case it wasn't abundantly clear...
I'm kidding. Although now I want to do a spoof LoC for a week or two just to have some fun.
Well, that settles it then. New name for this iteration will be 'Candyland'In case it wasn't abundantly clear...I'm kidding. Although now I want to do a spoof LoC for a week or two just to have some fun.
I see it as our gods being opposites, (much the same way as fire and cold), but in terms of temperment, rather than in absolute elemental declaration. That is to say, Leaf is an embodiment of physical, primal life (growing, plants, etc.), while Sa is an embodiment of constructed abstractions, such as the aesthetics of beauty and promises that arise from life.
It's not as obvious dichotomy as life/death, but I think it has promise stemming from the opposite-ness all the same.
I would be much more eager to start as an early god if I had a fire god to contrast me.
I didn't feel like Ice/Cold was fundamental enough for one of the first gods, but a god of fire would mean we are the opposite ends of Temparature, which is quite a fundamental aspect of nature.
Edit: On Second Thought (No disrespect here, nor am I slating anyone's concepts) a lot of the other current gods don't control Domains "fundamental" to existance.
I wouldn't consider Flowers/Promises, Travel/Survival and Orcs/Courage/Tactics central to existance, but thats just me. I was assuming that All starting gods would be something seen as a omnipotent forces such as death, life, justice ETC . But It's not my place to say when gods of certain domains arrive. If the first god to rise in this universe is the god of Candyfloss, so be it.
Well, I had been thinking about this as well. I was actually under the impression that we would be ascending in an already established world with other players who were already gods. But now I see we will be starting our own world.
I don't really have an interest in playing an elemental god or a god of something as broad and encompassing as "life" (as an example). I'm liking the idea of playing an orc god.
That said, I can see how he might spring up though. And regarding the god of cold or ice being around at the beginning, I can see that as well.
If we imagine the concept of "cold" as "without energy" or "with little energy", then we can imagine as cold being the first thing around before anything else exists (though with nothing around to feel it). The god of cold can have existed dormant perhaps, before anything else, when nothing was stirring in the universe, and then comes to life when things occur that can feel it and diminish it (sentience and energy/motion).
That's just an idea as to why a cold god might be one of the first gods.
Now, regarding Kuranath... I imagine that he springs up from the first conflict or the first instance where fear was felt. Before the first conflict, courage and tactics do not exist. But in the moment that fear is felt for the first time, or a battle breaks out, courage and tactics manifest. Kuranath is born out of that event, with the courage and mind for battle. Quite possibly, a sibling is born at the same time as well out of the fear that was felt and had to be overcome (but I leave that to someone else if they feel so inclined).
I would have typed more for Kuranath when I posted but I wasn't sure how much of the gods is determined before the game and how much evolves organically in game.
I'm wondering if Kuranath could have started as a god of war or something similar and then create the orcs as guardians in a new world/universe.
(So in other words, acquire the War domain with the three points and then Courage/Tactics/Orc from the other seven points.)
Sorry if I'm a little slow on the up-take
.EDIT: Also, I can see the difference between Strategy (a moderate domain) and Tactics (a lesser domain). But what distinction should I be making between Bravery (a moderate domain) and Courage (a lesser domain)? Thanks!
Bravery and Courage... errrr.... You know, I can't really think of a distinction either. They're mostly synonyms, after all.
Maybe domains are just a way of saying what people worship (or will worship) the character for? Perhaps it's more important to people that Priuinus challenges them and helps them grow stronger, than that she's a goddess of the cold. Or that Zebus (with all his metroids and space pirates) leads the souls to the afterlife, than that without him death wouldn't exist. Or that Kuranath promotes courage in battle, than that... um... Okay, he seems rather worshipper focused already.
It might mess with the rules too much, but I think that the first gods should focus more on what they will do, than what they look like or "are."
As for Leaf and Sa, that's great, Raven. I think we have a nice pairing, then: Order and Chaos. The plant thing wouldn't be so central, and so its less important that they be different. Topheh, James, maybe your gods also have a similar alignment difference? Priuinus seems rather good-aligned, while from what little Topheh said about Agni, he seems more likely to be evil (and Sa and Leaf might team up with both, depending on their own needs). The alignment difference would be sort of what's important, with the elemental overlap being flavor but, well, as important as the similar flavor between Sa and Leaf? Just an idea.
And I agree with you that the domains are more 'what do people worship you for' rather than funamentally 'what you are.' That said, the domains do serve as a touchstone for other players who want to interact with you. 'God X cares about these things because they are the domains that that God chose to be worshipped for.'
Well, I had been thinking about this as well. I was actually under the impression that we would be ascending in an already established world with other players who were already gods. But now I see we will be starting our own world.
I don't really have an interest in playing an elemental god or a god of something as broad and encompassing as "life" (as an example). I'm liking the idea of playing an orc god.
That said, I can see how he might spring up though. And regarding the god of cold or ice being around at the beginning, I can see that as well.
If we imagine the concept of "cold" as "without energy" or "with little energy", then we can imagine as cold being the first thing around before anything else exists (though with nothing around to feel it). The god of cold can have existed dormant perhaps, before anything else, when nothing was stirring in the universe, and then comes to life when things occur that can feel it and diminish it (sentience and energy/motion).
That's just an idea as to why a cold god might be one of the first gods.
Now, regarding Kuranath... I imagine that he springs up from the first conflict or the first instance where fear was felt. Before the first conflict, courage and tactics do not exist. But in the moment that fear is felt for the first time, or a battle breaks out, courage and tactics manifest. Kuranath is born out of that event, with the courage and mind for battle. Quite possibly, a sibling is born at the same time as well out of the fear that was felt and had to be overcome (but I leave that to someone else if they feel so inclined).
I would have typed more for Kuranath when I posted but I wasn't sure how much of the gods is determined before the game and how much evolves organically in game.
There might be some confusion but I was just stating I was expecting the first gods to control more primal and fundamental forces. I'm under the impression we'll be creating our own planent and for that we need gods able to do so. I see how gods of time, fire, cold, Life ETC can create a planet but I'd just see a god of orcs waiting for it to be built before he can doing regarding his own domains. That's why I thought it made sense for the first gods to emcompass "greater" forces.
Maybe defining a god's role in the world by domain isn't the way to go? I can't name any mythological gods of time, cold, or life, personally. I guess you could say that someone like Hephaestus was a god of fire, but that doesn't seem like an important facet of him, and he wasn't one of the first gods, either.
Maybe domains are just a way of saying what people worship (or will worship) the character for? Perhaps it's more important to people that Priuinus challenges them and helps them grow stronger, than that she's a goddess of the cold. Or that Zebus (with all his metroids and space pirates) leads the souls to the afterlife, than that without him death wouldn't exist. Or that Kuranath promotes courage in battle, than that... um... Okay, he seems rather worshipper focused already.
It might mess with the rules too much, but I think that the first gods should focus more on what they will do, than what they look like or "are."
As for Leaf and Sa, that's great, Raven. I think we have a nice pairing, then: Order and Chaos. The plant thing wouldn't be so central, and so its less important that they be different. Topheh, James, maybe your gods also have a similar alignment difference? Priuinus seems rather good-aligned, while from what little Topheh said about Agni, he seems more likely to be evil (and Sa and Leaf might team up with both, depending on their own needs). The alignment difference would be sort of what's important, with the elemental overlap being flavor but, well, as important as the similar flavor between Sa and Leaf? Just an idea.
I also agree with this way of looking at gods. It was my intention for Pruinus to affect the world in some way more then freezing it and her personality to be more then "I AM THE GOD OF ICE, ALL SHALL BE FROZEN!!"
I'm considering pick up a domain along the lines of Evolution or Challenge to show these traits pretty early in the game.
Given how Pruinus supports life, whilst having no direct control over it, I can see herself allying or at least having some form of mutual relationship with Leaf. Also not mentioned in your post, considering her desire to challenge life to improve and survive in the long run by setting it challenges, I see her having some involvement with Anke Dui, although how this play out I cannot fathom currently.
Using the 3E alignment system, I view Priunus as Neutral Good.
Not 'evil' per say, but certainly ranking high on the 'callousness' scale. I think that there will be a good distinction between James' and mine's gods.
And I agree with you that the domains are more 'what do people worship you for' rather than funamentally 'what you are.' That said, the domains do serve as a touchstone for other players who want to interact with you. 'God X cares about these things because they are the domains that that God chose to be worshipped for.'
There's a good chance I'm wrong considering I don't have any Psionic powers to read your thoughts on what You're god is going to be like (Or my powers don't work at such distances ;D ) is that Agni will not be evil but will definitely be more aggressive and confrontational.
Let's imagine a scenario where Pruinus and Agni fight for the same side, against evil.
Pruinus will try to hold off the fight as long as possible, wishing not to watse any life in the process and when she does fight, unless the situation is truly dire, she will not put her followers/creations at risk for her own victory. She will not ask others to fight for her.
Agni will have elements of the "Good is not nice" trope will be a bit more anti-heroic. As soon as trouble arises, he fights, bringing the full force of any allies and followers he can against the foe, even if it means that some of them will be inevitably lost in battle.
This actually is a good segue to a point that I wanted to make earlier.
As mentioned in the guidelines for new Gods, fluff (non AP-using actions) is actually quite powerful in this game and most small actions do not necesarially need AP. For instance, my God drips magma from its mouth. It is logical that this magma may, in certain situations, cause fires to break out in forests or towns if the god is hovering above it for any prolonged period of time. If these fires are going to cause wide-spread devastation (wiping out the whole town, setting the forst ablaze), then AP should be spent. If instead the conflagration only affects a small portion (and particularly if you describe, say, fire crews racing from the wells to attempt to put out the mysterious fire from the heavens) of the world and does no long-term lasting damage... that doesn't need AP.
Other examples:
Pruinus could make all creatures near him cold.
Flowers could bloom wherever Leaf went.
Kuranath could make people who fall under his gaze momentarially feel more confident with themselves.
Or even more 'active' effects... causing birds to burst into song, causing a geyser to go off at a particular moment, etc.
And other things like that. Basically, be creative with your posts and don't limit yourselves because you are worried you need to spend AP to do something small. If we admins think it crosses a line, we'll tell you.
And I agree with you that the domains are more 'what do people worship you for' rather than funamentally 'what you are.' That said, the domains do serve as a touchstone for other players who want to interact with you. 'God X cares about these things because they are the domains that that God chose to be worshipped for.'
Sorry if I wasn't clear. I was thinking that the roles of a god might be separated from the domains. So that we might have an Orc god among the first gods. He would still have the domains of "orc," "bravery/courage," and "tactics," but he'd be the one who carved the dome of the sky from the skull of his ancient enemy, created the oceans from the blood, the clouds from the brains, and created the first sentient race, Zombies with wings, to fly up to the clouds and feast on them. Doesn't mean that he has to have a fundamental domain, just that he take actions that are fundamentally necessary for the world.
This brings up an question I had... what do domains do, in game, exactly? I'm guessing that exarchs give you another character to play in game (but not another god). And that avatars... let you interact with mortals, maybe? But what effect do domains and artifacts have in game? Like, does Leaf's weapon, Thorn, have to be an artifact, or can it just be fluff. And if so, what is the difference between the two?
The importance of domains to the game vary depending on the iteration. Our last game, Balance of Powers, domains had the largest effect on the game, in that you had specific AP that could only be spent on actions which related to your domain (in some way). We've gotten rid of that, and domains are now... mostly there for your use and other players use to provide a focus and theme for a God, as well as guidelines for how disagreements might be resolved between players. For instance, if I was the God of Music and the God of Water wanted to take away the songs that the phoeni sing when they reincarnate, then if I opposed that action, as God of music, I should have a greater 'say' in what happens to that domain. Likewise, the God of the Orcs has a greater pull over, say, Orcish Weaponsmithing than, say, the God of Time.
Exarchs are other characters in the game... not god-level, but above mortals. They can usually spend AP if you want them to and (at least when I have them) act as emissaries and servants of the God. (You can also RP as mortals, if you want)
Avatars, yes, let you interact directly with mortals in more than short spurts. I usually use Exarchs for that, but other people like to do things... directly.
As for artifacts... the main difference between Thorn, the fluff and Thorn the artifact is that Thorn the fluff can be manipulated by other Gods at-will (for instance, they could turn Thorn the sword into Thorn the mace). Thorn the artifact, on the other hand, would require the spending of AP to do something with it. (so it would be a 1 AP destroy action to break it, as opposed to merely RP).
Some old guidelines we had were as follows
1 AP: mortal weapon of legend or artifact that has a small, local effect (a gem that lets you monitor what is happening in your workshop from afar, lets say)
2 AP: a divine weapon, or artifact that has a moderate effect (say, a set of gateways which link distant cities to one another by magical means)
3 AP: An artifact that has a broad, potentially game-altering effect (for instance, a mystical river which would flow through every plane in the world, and which had to be included in any new plane which was created otherwise the player who owned the river would automatically spend 1 AP to destroy the plane at the moment of its creation (basically, making create plane actions cost one more AP unless this river could flow through a portion of it))
We mostly took those guidelines out because we really are trying to let people make and do whatever they want without any set-in-stone restrictions on what is 'enough AP' to do a particular action or not.
In the end, what the rules and AP are trying to do is slow players down so they have a chance to interact with one another and with one another's creations before those creations are finished, which allows for a more collaborative and creative process than individual people placing down complete self-created places, races and civilizations and then, after everything has been decided, trying to stitch them together somehow. Beyond that, the sky is the limit in terms of what you can do... we admins are willing to entertain almost any possibility!
Actually, along those lines, if I'm not the god of war, and infact the god of war isn't associated with this Song of Ire and Lice, should I expect whoever is the god of war to step in with a say? Or do people usually take more of a hands off approach to their domains?
Right. A few skirmishes would be fluff, but a war of any size or length (or... damage) would take AP, and as the 'War' god, your say in such 'war-starting' actions should have more weight, but its more of a gentleman's agreement than an actual hard rule... that said, if it does all boil down to an admin-mediated dispute (if the god of foxiness flat out refuses to do anything of the sort and you end up fighting over it), domains would be one component we admins would take into account when determining a winner.
As for your second question... it really depends on the god who is playing War. We've definitely had players who were heavily involved in anything even tangentially related to their domain (one note: Domains don't give you omniscience on that topic. The God of Hansels does not know where every Hansel in the world is, nor whether or not they are looking at a Gretel or a Witch at any given moment. That said... the right artifact might let you do just that.). We've had a number of Gods that were far more hands off. Either is encouraged, really.
@Ara. Good luck. Xiaoxiu's God didn't really work out, mostly because he found it rather... difficult to come up with ways to interact with the other Gods. That said, you know what you're doing. Just please don't make me have to smash your citadel to dust when you end up becoming a mafia boss who skims off 10% of the worship of the world off the top before funneling it to its respective divinities (please do this)
So on that note, domains are really just a guideline. What do you and the people that believe in you worship. They may ask Zebus for safe passage for their loved ones, or to Leaf for a bountiful harvest. The orcs might ask you for the courage and bravery before battle. Thats all it is.
And by the way, this is looking to be one interesting iteration yet! I'm actually getting excited and in hopes that more people come on by!
If I'm correct, from posters who shared their god using the full template the gods that are currently expected to be in the game are:
Pruinus, Goddess of Cold
Zebus, God of Death (With a Focus on guiding souls and their rebirth)
Kuranath, God of Orcs, Tactics, & Courage.
Sa, God of Flowers & Promises.
Anke Dui, God of Travel & Survival.
Agni, God of Fire.
Leaf, God of Life.
Yr, God of Time.
I'm glad to hear that we can describe the actions of mortals in our favour, thats what I was hoping the Heroes tab for gods on the wiki was for. I see my own god gathering a lot of Heroes & Exarchs, possibly blurring the line between the two at the same time.
Anyway, this should make for some interesting story arcs in Lords Of Creation: the Adventures Of Timmy Bushytail. :D
You forgot the Mistress of Snickerdoodles.
... I will say I can easily think of off the top of my head several gods in our mythologies that had specific ideals attached to them, or what we call domains. Gods like Thor god of thunder and war in norse mythos, Hades, ruler of death and the underworld, Ra the sun god.
What's this? Talk of mythology? Don't mind if I do!
Generally, it seems like players often use domains to define what/who their god is.... or maybe that is just me. Gadabout (my god from Galara) was travel, in domain and substance. Xa'an (Aetheric Realms) was light (and completely insane). Despair (playtest) was... well, despair, to every fiber. Harkon Armal (World Warp) was water, also in body and domain. Ebel (GoE) was... elemental? She had an unclear domain, since she was a gimick to start the game, but by jove, she was whatever it was!
In contrast, Thor wasn't the manifestation of War (the Norse had several war gods, including Odin, Tyr, Frey, Freya, and Frigg) or lightning or thunder. He was just the guy would went out to smack the frost giants around when they got uppity: thunder and lightning were side effects, not who he was. Hades was the ruler of the underworld because, when he and his brothers defeated their parents, that is the spoils of war he got. He wasn't death because of his domain, but because of his job.
But, yeah, Ra was the sun.
Anywho.
... I will say I can easily think of off the top of my head several gods in our mythologies that had specific ideals attached to them, or what we call domains. Gods like Thor god of thunder and war in norse mythos, Hades, ruler of death and the underworld, Ra the sun god.
What's this? Talk of mythology? Don't mind if I do!
Generally, it seems like players often use domains to define what/who their god is.... or maybe that is just me. Gadabout (my god from Galara) was travel, in domain and substance. Xa'an (Aetheric Realms) was light (and completely insane). Despair (playtest) was... well, despair, to every fiber. Harkon Armal (World Warp) was water, also in body and domain. Ebel (GoE) was... elemental? She had an unclear domain, since she was a gimick to start the game, but by jove, she was whatever it was!
In contrast, Thor wasn't the manifestation of War (the Norse had several war gods, including Odin, Tyr, Frey, Freya, and Frigg) or lightning or thunder. He was just the guy would went out to smack the frost giants around when they got uppity: thunder and lightning were side effects, not who he was. Hades was the ruler of the underworld because, when he and his brothers defeated their parents, that is the spoils of war he got. He wasn't death because of his domain, but because of his job.
But, yeah, Ra was the sun.
Anywho.
And? ....... which leads up to:
Make a God already, Thought. :P
Yes. and what is taking you so long to post one thought!!!
So, I have no idea where Shadow has gotten himself off to. I assume people want to start sooner rather than later... so lets say... Monday. We'll start the game sometime on monday!
Yes.
And?
If I followed the discussion right, namely just that fundamental jobs are more important than fundamental domains. But this might be getting into the old discussion of passive and active domains a bit.
....... which leads up to:Make a God already, Thought. :P
Yes. and what is taking you so long to post one thought!!!
Bah, fine, fine. However, I am not sure how best to translate the idea into something viable by the rules.
Since it seems like there are a lot of good gods, I was thinking of being an antagonist. Specifically, one (or several) to be defeated. Chain the god up, banish him to a forbidden dimension, kill him and use his bones for your bread, etc. If anyone wants a foil, a Gruumsh to their Corellon, I'd like to oblige.
I could see this taking the form of either a new god every few weeks (when the old one's been banished, killed, imprissoned, etc), or having a sort of miscelenious central force god that creates powerful exarchs to be the foes. Thoughts? And any ideas of gods you'd like to trounce?
EDIT: Meh, too late, I think I'll go with a "god" that is an abstract force that takes various manifestations (exarchs). Sooo...
Name: The Ancient Spirits of Evil. Also goes by Tasoe (three syllables: TA-so-eh), Ase (two syllables: Ah-sey), Daragog, Seg, Baraglumnush, Artun, Susan, etc.
Greater Domains: Evil
Moderate Domains:
Lesser Domains: Mumm-ras
Physical Appearance: At present, none (I plan on creating a plane that will be his "physical" form and the means through which others can interact directly with him, rather than his exarchs)
Divine Symbol: A piece of skin with a single rip in it. The rip is surrounded by six runes painted in blood. Ideally it will be real skin, or at least untreated, with a tear resulting from a death wound, and the individuals own heartblood used to paint the runes.
Concept: Well, see above. Basically, Tasoe is an abstract force, even in relationship to gods. However, it does occasionally produce exarchs and villains as more concrete focal points of its power and attention. And, as noted, it will eventually crate a "body" for itself. Its servants will be a force of evil in the world, though the exact manifestation of that evil will probably vary by incarnation. Generally, I'll be trying to stay away from evil for evil's sake, in the mustache-twirling sense of the word, but if that is what someone wants, I'll try to oblige. A key component of all these exarchs and villains is that they are intended to be defeated, although I expect some will stick around for longer than others (difference between masterminds and thugs, for example).
IMPORTANT: Anyone and everyone, please let me know if you'd like to opt out. It's no fun for either of us if I create a foil for one of your characters if you don't want that foil in the first place. You'll be annoyed/frustrated by me being an antagonist for you, and I'll be annoyed/frustrated that the antagonism isn't going anywhere. Likewise, if you would like a specific kind of antagonist, or a specific point of conflict, or a particularly "hard" or easy foe (basically, just how many try-fail cycles before the villain is defeated), please let me know so that I can try to accomodate.
Edit Edit: It will be my goal to make this "Lords Of Creation: Timmy Bushytail Must Die"
Name: Umbra.
Holy Symbol: a closed eye.
Appearance: You can't see him, he only exists within absolute darkness.
Symbol: a closed eye.
Greater Domain: Darkness.
Moderate Domain: N/A
Lesser Domain: N/A
Misc/Personality: Umbra is a curious entity. In the utter darkness where he dwells, there is nothing. No sound, no light, no feeling. This is every bit as boring as it sounds, which is why Umbra creeps into the world to experience other things. He peers in through places where no one looks; caves, abandoned buildings, the deep ocean, and the midnight wilderness, and gropes around until the light banishes him. Anyone or anything that gets lost, forgotten, or abandoned is likely to attract the attention of Umbra. When important things happen, they cast shadows, and Umbra lives in and is influenced by the shadows.
He's a very primordial being right now; never having interacted with anyone else, his personality is hard to define. The kind of God he will become depends strongly on what he sees and who he meets in the blind spots of the newborn world.
This look good?
Thought: you can feel free to have your devil figure make a nemesis for Umbra, or just try to corrupt Umbra himself into your stereotypical evil god of darkness.
I'll wait for more information on Umbra and see how he interacts with others before formulating dastardly and overly complex plots against him, which I will then divulge to a group of heroes in a long monologue prior to the completion of those plots.
PinkPonyPrincess... May I call you Pinkie? Or perhaps Mrs. Pie? Anywho, looks like a fun god. Though what happens if a god has darkvision: what does Umbra look like, then? ;)
I'll wait for more information on Umbra and see how he interacts with others before formulating dastardly and overly complex plots against him, which I will then divulge to a group of heroes in a long monologue prior to the completion of those plots.
You can call me whatever you want as long as its consistent.
"Darkness" is subjective. Even a creature with darkvision can have its senses blocked by something, and Umbra is always hidden within that something. Of course, other gods can communicate with Umbra despite this because gods are hax, but they still can't see him. Its like his voice is always coming from right behind you.
I'm travelling till Sunday, so I'll be on less. Just warning everyone.
Thought: I would love to have you as a nemesis, maybe later on down the line though. I'm gonna need some sort of antagonists for my mortals to fight against. And the standard orc/human/elf thing has been done. Good vs. Evil vs. Middle ground/Grey area though sounds awesome!
Pinkie welcome aboard! I love the look of your good also! Or the lack there of.....
Joran, not really sure what Zebus's motivation is, but I could definitely see a variety of characters or creatures that lure the souls of the dead, either to eat them or to turn them into more mosters, etc. What sort of mortals were you thinking about creating, and with what flavor?
More generally, I was thinking of creating an artifact in game that might need prior approval. The Shard of Creation/The Unborn Essence/the God that is Not a God would be an artifact used to "steal" power from other gods (with their permissions, of course). One of my characters would be trying to use it as a sort of nuclear threat to gain power over the other gods (or maybe kill them all, those fools!), but the idea would be that when the other gods stop him/her/it, they could use the device (and the power it has gathered) to create either the earth, a continent, a dimension, a race, etc. Something big that the world needs at that time. But would an artifact to shuttle AP through time (potentially a few weeks) be allowable? And would anyone be interested in either contributing power to it, or helping in overthrowing the god who uses it and putting it to good?
Don't worry Pinkadora, I was just being silly. As for an antagonist for you, I've been putting some further thought into it, but right now the only thing I am coming up with would be conceptual antitheses (like Luminatio), but such a character wouldn't have to be an antagonist necessarily. Looking at your character's motivation, I suppose a "god" of prisons might be an antagonist: an eternal jailor attempting to return Umbra to the boring darkness from which it escaped. Thoughts?
Its hard for me to imagine Umbra really having an enemy during the early game, since he starts out as a fairly benign observer. However, I'm eventually planning for his portfolio to expand (in particular, I see Secrets, Art, and the underdark or deep ocean being possibilities). Once he has his fingers in more pies, figuring out a nemesis for him should be easier.
I really like your idea for the doomsday artifact that the good gods need to steal and repurpose. Just make sure you wait for a dramatically appropriate moment to introduce it (I'll be willing to contribute AP).
Joran, not really sure what Zebus's motivation is, but I could definitely see a variety of characters or creatures that lure the souls of the dead, either to eat them or to turn them into more mosters, etc. What sort of mortals were you thinking about creating, and with what flavor?
With a name like Zebus, I'm guessing flying killer jellyfish, giant brains, and lobsterlike humanoids who are obsessed with tubes.
With a name like Zebus, I'm guessing flying killer jellyfish, giant brains, and lobsterlike humanoids who are obsessed with tubes.
Don't forget this guy!
Cheers.
Anyway, responses to particularly people:
@Thought: At first I was against a god that existed purely to provide villains I'm growing to the idea. I plan on raising a lot of heroes with my god and if it's possible within the lore we create I'd like to have Pruinus herself defeated or put in a really bad spot, then have some of the mortal heroes who worship her to slay her antagonist. I just really love the underdog archetype. :D
Of course, thats if you're willing to allow your epic incarnation of all evil to be defeated by a kawaii snow-fox teenager called Timmy Bushytail. ;D
Now, at the moment I don't know what kind of god would be her villain (Although I have an idea for a god of opposites using their powers to destroy Pruinus and Agni's work, whilst setting up evidence that the other god did it.)
@Princess: I find your username and god idea at odds XD.
but I think it's a very cool idea. It's probably best to think of what it truly does look like in case you ever want an epic reveal, but I find the whole idea of the god that exists in absolute darkness, and as you put it "its like his voice is always coming from right behind you." is creepy in an awesome way.
@Raven: Seeing as I see my god being quite nature based I'm considering picking up Primal Spirits as a domain and having her as the purveyor of primal magic in the world. I've discussed some of these plans with Topheh and my god is very primal inclined and I see my exarchs as being powerful primal spirits of cold (Snow, Hail, Wind and Water to name a few) rather then angels.
As such, Pruinus will probably end up as a popular deity for Barbarians, Druids, Seekers, Shamans and Wardens. That said, she doesn't care much for exclusivity of worship and I can see her sharing the Primal Spirits domain with Leaf and Sa if Pruinus is on good terms with them.
Jamespies: I do have something in mind for Umbra's true appearance, and if I describe it right it will be a bit of a mind****. Glad you like the concept!
Since you mentioned gods providing power sources for the PC classes, it should go without saying that Umbra is all about the Shadow power. I might even try making a new character class to keep the Assassin company.
Thought: You know, depending on how much the drama ends up depending on your nemeses, I wouldn't be against you having more AP than the other players. Each of the villains could have their own AP supply. Not sure if this is a good idea, just throwing it out there.
Raven: everyone knows that Other M doesn't exist, stop making things up.
Nonsense! It exists, and it's an okay game. Not great, but okay. I just don't know why everyone keeps claiming it's a Metroid game. Just your run of the mill space-marine / scifi shooter... yuuuup.
If I followed the discussion right, namely just that fundamental jobs are more important than fundamental domains.
That's what I was getting at... I think.
As for a possible villain for Leaf, sounds fun, although I don't really know yet what that would be like. I mean, Sa already will be a chaotic counterpart, so the most obvious idea's been taken. And then there's Zebus, too, as a deathly counterpart. Maybe just wait and see what gets developed and were Leaf might be able to fit in.
I wanna be the god of darkness.
I like it. But what would happen if a god tried to give something to Umbra? Or wrestled him? Would they just be kind of enveloped in darkness? I'm just trying to get my mind around the idea so I can imagine things properly.
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Enough Metroid talk though, I don't want to derail the thread before the game even starts.
Pen_Draggin: if you give something to Umbra, it just dissapears into the shadows and then reemerges when and where Umbra wants to put it. If he gets into fights with other gods, I'll play the descriptions by ear. I have SOME ideas on what the battle might look like, but it depends on the location and the other god.
How is this?
Name:Azgo
Moderate Domain: Pestilence
Lesser Domain: Suffering
Physical Appearance: Azgo appears as a tall humaniod wracked with cysts and places where bones break the surface of his peeling skin. He seems to be a pair of fused twins (not at the hip, but an asymmetrical combination of skeletons and flesh) while having four arms and three working legs. One of his heads is blind and bile drips from the corners of his mouth. The other head is mute with eye filaments constantly moving to grant him sight. His lean but athletic. His bald head is covered in bloody scars and scabs that still ooze.
Holy Symbol: A brightly colored circle with a singular black dot in the middle
Personality: Azgo reveals in the pain that he causes and the fear he invokes. He suffers a great deal constantly and believes that only by spreading/creating pain in equal to his will his own pain disapate. He disdains beauty and granduer because it reminds him of his own imperfection.
EDIT: After looking at Rimmon's god, who delights in pain for pain's sake, I am thinking about expanding my god toward a carnage and slaughter god as well as disease. Become a foil for Kuranath in some respects. We'll see...
Thought: I have no idea yet what race I am going to start with, but I do have a few ideas rattling around in this empty head of mind. I'm thinking it might start with human, but I'm unsure right now. I need to wait till after it starts before I begin.
TheForgottenCommand: welcome aboard and your god looks awesome!!!!
Thought: I have no idea yet what race I am going to start with, but I do have a few ideas rattling around in this empty head of mind. I'm thinking it might start with human, but I'm unsure right now. I need to wait till after it starts before I begin.
Humans were created by the god of death? Heh.
I do like the idea of humans being one of the oldest sentient races in the world. Explains why they're the baseline from which so many other races deviate.
I'm digging the new god of Pestilence. Looks like Thought isn't going to have all the fun.
An additional roster update would be good as the game commences so we are all on the same page.
@ Raven-of-Dreams: I have been wondering why you have chosen only two lesser domains when you could have three (just curious).
@ Raven-of-Dreams: I have been wondering why you have chosen only two lesser domains when you could have three (just curious).
By the by, I'm just going to throw out that I have some ideas for Magic in the setting-to-be. I don't think it necessary to start with Magic as a major domain (though I could, since Flowers don't count for much), but this is just a heads up that I'm likely headed in that direction.
Cheers.
Simply put, my ideas for the domain of Magic won't be fully realize-able at the start of game (due to lack of mortals). Put another way, I want Magic to arise out of Flowers and Promises, rather than starting with all 3.
For those of us just joining us there is a IRC chat that we utilize occasionally and would love to use more: chat.mibbit.com channel: #LoC
If we aren't there then keep on checking every so often. I'm there right now, and will be there all day tomorrow if anyone cared to join me!
We do have a group page here in the community. The Lords of Creation Group site is where we get together to talk about rules, past/present/future LoCs, mortal stories, and more!
Name: Altruis, God of Undeath
Moderate Domain: Undeath
Lesser Domain: Fear
Description of (Some) Forms: He can appear in multiple forms, but the one he uses the most is a tall, thin figure wrapped in cloak of shadow. two stars glow brilliantly where his eyes would be (Similar to my account picture), and the rest of his face is obscured by shadow. Closer observation shows that he is hooded and is equipped with a whip on his belt and a bow in hand, with wrists wrapped in chains which drag upon the ground. The hood would have to be lowered to see his face, which would appear with pure white eyes no pupils, along with his face being wrapped in chains face, pale white almost skeletal. However he can look normal if he wishes, and blends into a crowd he takes the form of Shadar-kai skin slightly purple but could be mistaken for human. He can easily move about the worlds without being noticed if he so wishes. Another form would be to have a shadowy aura around him, and larger than human shadow spreading around him, depending on who gazes upon this form they see their worst fear in those shadows surrounding them as he approaches they become more vivid. In this form he is able to grow wings from the shadows, tangible allowing flight. (Have other forms in mind as well, but keeping those for in-game, secrets!)
Personality: Altruis is intelligent and takes deep planning and thought in his actionsHe takes a sadistic joy in tormenting his victims, both before and after their deaths If he stumbles upon a sleeping mortal and is so inclined, he can invade their dream and cause the worst of torments to his victims in any way he see's fit. . To strike fear into a particular person whom soul he believes will be more "savory" he marks them with 9 whip marks on their back simply by touching them while asleep. To mortals the mark as become a sign of those marked for the dead, making the one marked live shunned from the town as a bad omen isolated and alone, till he finally takes them. When he feels the need to rest he goes to the (something similar to shadow fell for his domain), leaving in his wake hollow corpses, their souls ripped loose. While in this plane he can pick any of the souls he has devoured and reanimate them and for his own pleasure make them suffer an endless nightmare. He lives to cause fear & madness in all that he walks near, and thrives in death, relishes it.
Reactions of Mortals: Assassin Cults and Guilds have popped up from the mortals who follow him and enjoy killing descretely but also putting fear into their hearts before taking the life of their victim. Cults have taken an almost necromatic view of Altruis and offer him the souls of their victims in their rituals. Rumors among normal mortals, that he can be seen where great mortal battles had taken place, collecting the souls of the slain and dead to torture forever more to relieve their last moments of battle again and again for eternity.
Divine Symbol: A black nine-stranded whip, the ends bloody and barbed, a skeletal hand a hold of it is the most common. Another symbol commonly associated with him used mostly by assassin cults/guilds is twin daggers crossing one another pointing downwards, blood dripping down with bloody barbed vine twisted along the hilts of the daggers. Mostly seen on daggers of associated assassin's or garbs of the occultists.
- Whip Symbol Similar to this, but not exact(no skeletal hand)- http://www.nj-pbem.com/data/Gods/humangods/Loviatar_symbol.jpg
I think this is a fairly decent start to my character and please correct me on anything that may be wrong such as used too many AP or something! Hope to have lots of fun everyone.
EDIT: Added and reworked general description of him a bit to make it more smooth and explained better to what I have in mind.
So, first thing, i talked to one of my more RP focused players and he is interested in joining but is just short of the starting line. I will try to get him to commit on Sunday.
As you see above, I just beat you to it, haha.
Rimmon, welcome to the game! Your god is looks good, and I can already forsee conflict both direct and indirect between yours and my gods. It is going to be awesome!
Checking the group page again I remember there was originally going to be a god of lust, wonder what happened to him. :L
A late little to ask this question, but how long is this game expected to last? (Real world time)
I've probably asked this question before but I forget exactly where the answer is
Edit: I'm not asking so how long the game is so I can leave (Not like I have anything more interesting to do XD) but simply so I know when a new game can start, as assuming I enjoy this game (And I very much think i will) I like the idea of playing again with an new roster of gods, I already have a couple of ideas what I'd like to play next.
Greater Domains:
Moderate Domains: Magma? If it does not fall under the rule of Fire. If that is the case I can change it to something else such as metals.
Lesser Domains: Smiths and Constructs
Physical Appearance: A huge man in his best years, carrying a wild beard on his cheeks, an apron on his shoulders and a hammer in his massive iron hands. There is a certain light to him, an inner light and and intense heat that eminates from his very skin.Thereus will be born as an old soul, with an interest for mortals, systems and worlds. He builds and construct things more than anything else. Expect little love or intrigue from this though kind but ultimately slightly unsocial creature.
Divine Symbol: A hammer held by grasping silver hands.
EDIT: To be specific, i am quoting a page for power points for AR-"4PP - Ascend God: Allows the entry of a new player, who is semi-beholden to his creator". I know that it is an older version of the game and might have changed, but the specifics of the relationship of ascention were skipped.
Whatever. I guess I'll find out the old fashion way.
Note to self: begotten not equal to beholden.
Greater Domain: Stone
Physical Appearance: Usually found sitting quietly, he resembles a mountain. When he moves, the jags and crevices reveal themselves as limbs, unfurling as he picks himself up. He resembles a gargoyle with stone wings and a long tail. His steps cause the earth to rumble and the beat of his wings can cause winds powerful enough to flatten trees. His patience is his greatest strength, and weakness. He spends far too much time weighing the consequences of his actions, and thus misses out on some important events.
Holy Symbol: A face carved in stone. The face varies from place to place, or worshiper to worshiper, but is always recognizable by a triangular mark borne on the forehead.
Thought: Tasoe, god of walking thundercats reference, Pumyra nooooo! Evil.
PinkPonyPrincess (PPP): Umbra, god of Darkness
TheForgottenCommand: Azgo, god of Pestilence
Rimmon: Altruis, god of Fear darnit, you changed it on me Undeath
Aldii: Thereus, god of Magma?
Crimson_Vampr: Onus, god of Stone
Once he has his fingers in more pies, figuring out a nemesis for him should be easier.
Quite true. Since you were generous enough to be interested in an antagonis, though, I wanted to put some thought (pun intended) into it so it will hopefully turn out good, eventually.
I really like your idea for the doomsday artifact that the good gods need to steal and repurpose. Just make sure you wait for a dramatically appropriate moment to introduce it (I'll be willing to contribute AP).
Thanks!
@Thought: At first I was against a god that existed purely to provide villains I'm growing to the idea...
Quite understandable. After all, it is a non-standard idea, at least for a game like this. However, if you look at it from a narrative perspective, it's far more normal. Though keep in mind, my goal is more of to be antagonists and foils, than to necessarily be villains. Just, with a lot of good-leaning gods, villains would be more likely to be antagonists. However, an antagonist is just the individual who hinders the protagonists goals. For example, in the movie, the Dark Knight, the Joker is a villain, but Harvey Dent is the antagonist (even before he becomes Two-Face). Bruce's goal is to retire, which he can only allow himself to do if Harvey becomes Gotham's White Knight. Character flaws in Harvey, even from the start, prevent this. The Joker is closer to the movie's Relationship Character.
Plot is what makes literature go-round, plot requires conflict, conflict requires antagonists. To be fair, a normal god concept can be an antagonist (I could see Leaf and Sa having an antagonistic relationship, depending on how devoted to their alignments each is). But because each person is also the hero of their own story, people are reluctant to let their character lose (especially in the long term). Another part of what makes literature go-round is the cathartic release of plot resolution. Without antagonists that can be consistently trounced, the story is less enjoyable.
So, hopefully, by me being a devoted antagonist to be beaten, the stories that arise from play will be a little more engaging and rewarding. That is my intent, at least.
And yes, I have been reading a lot of blogs and books on creative writing. Why do you ask? :P
Of course, thats if you're willing to allow your epic incarnation of all evil to be defeated by a kawaii snow-fox teenager called Timmy Bushytail. ;D
Deal!
Personality: Azgo reveals in the pain that he causes and the fear he invokes. He suffers a great deal constantly and believes that only by spreading/creating pain in equal to his will his own pain disapate. He disdains beauty and granduer because it reminds him of his own imperfection.
I like it, and ASE would totally be willing to offer support for a god like that.
Hello everyone, TheForgottenCommand showed me this and it seems like a lot of fun! So I was hoping I could join as well here is the idea for my character. Please offer advice for making it a more solid character as this is my first time making a God-like character.
Name: Altruis, God of Undeath
Moderate Domain: Undeath
Lesser Domain: Fear
I like it. The description is solid, and fear is always a good, go-get-em domain. I'll put thought into it, but Altruis seems better thought out that my own, so...
Thought, hold that thought! I don't think I'll be needing an ingame nemesis device now as I do believe someone has wonderfully provided one for me in a much better format!
Well, antagonists are different than nemeses. And I'm willing to lose, too, so I think you might have room for me, eventually ;)
@James, generally 6 months is a normal lifespan for these games (the very very first one, back when the forum was very active in general, was a year or more, but that was an oddity). However, during the course, you can always retire a god and start a new one.
Name: Onus, aka: The Living Mountain, Stone-steeped
Greater Domain: Stone
Seems rock-solid. Any ideas for how such a god might interact with other gods or mortals?
I like it, and ASE would totally be willing to offer support for a god like that.
That sounds great; just be sure to remember that Azgo hates everybody. He is more of a god to be used than to be befriended. Let me know if you formulate any plans.
Seems rock-solid.
Ahh, rock puns. I always though they were taken for granite.
Ahh, rock puns. I always though they were taken for granite.
Sad...... just sad.
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I like it. The description is solid, and fear is always a good, go-get-em domain. I'll put thought into it, but Altruis seems better thought out that my own, so...
Thanks I appreciate the compliments, look forward to having a great time!
It's cool. But now I wish to confer with you all secret like. I have an idea for undeath that I woulds talk with you regarding. I will send you a PM tomorrow, if I can remember.
Alright I'll send you a message tomorrow to remind you lol
Seems rock-solid. Any ideas for how such a god might interact with other gods or mortals?
Yeah, I have some ideas, but they are pretty vague. I was thinking about having him create dwarves and giants, but I was a little late getting posted. Thereus seems more likely to create dwarves, so I'll stick to giants. I also had the thought of creating a powerful "earth-bending" race and having them get destroyed, leaving Onus so distraught that he does something drastic to bring them back to life, and becomes a god of undeath, but Undeath has been filled now too, so we'll have to wait and see what plays out. I imagine him as being rather nuetral in general, but more because he's slower to respond to events than because he thinks things need to be balanced. Kind of like the treant race in The Lord of the Rings trilogy.
I also had the thought of creating a powerful "earth-bending" race and having them get destroyed, leaving Onus so distraught that he does something drastic to bring them back to life, and becomes a god of undeath, but Undeath has been filled now too, so we'll have to wait and see what plays out.
That can potentially make it even better. Onus is so desperate to bring his creations back that he seeks out the aid of Altruis, who raises them as undead in exchange for some morally compromising favor. Could be a great character development moment for Onus, and the religion of the earthbender-type race gets more intricate as they realize they owe their (un)lives to more than one god.
That can potentially make it even better. Onus is so desperate to bring his creations back that he seeks out the aid of Altruis, who raises them as undead in exchange for some morally compromising favor. Could be a great character development moment for Onus, and the religion of the earthbender-type race gets more intricate as they realize they owe their (un)lives to more than one god.
Fantastic Idea, and definently a benefit to me ;) lol It certaintly would raise many intersting events which would be an enjoyable experience added to this game.
I am Red/Black
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Sorry for the short replies, but trying to catch up before I head to work.
@Raven: Yeah, the Mibbit room is back, but its been pretty empty. I try and camp in it when I'm online for longer than ten minutes at a time.
@Rimmon: Your god looks great. Really looking forward to it. Just a brief note that the things you mention in the 'reaction of mortals' subsection will need to actually be done in-game, too.
@James: Yeah, 6 months on average is a good bet, with at least a month or two between iterations for us to a) talk about what worked and what didn't and b) recouperate and come up with new ideas.
@Aldii: Good to see you again! My God's description states that it drips magma from its mouth, so my gut says that Magma is a subdomain of fire. That said, you are more than welcome to take it, as it is a separate domain.
@Forgotten: We've mostly done away with the 'beholden' aspect of ascension. You'll note that the cost to ascend for that game (4 AP) was quite high. In order to encourage players to actually ascend other Gods, we added that clause in to imply that the begotten Gods might want to consider 'paying back' the God that created them at some point. That said, your relationship with your progenitor is up to you. Alternately, you could be spontaneously self-ascended at some point deemed appropriate for the flow of the game.
@Raven #2: Thanks.
@Thought/James: Timmy Bushytail is going to be quite the legend. I can't wait.
We're going to start soon. Come on mibbit this afternoon if you'd like to talk!
Quick question: How is ascention going to work? I have been looking through some of the older games and i am not sure that Azgo would consider himself "semi-beholden" to anyone. He hates everyone...
Ascending is always a bit... hodgepodge. There are usually rules, and they are usually ignored. The end result is that several gods just enter the game (we call that "self-ascending"), where as others are ascended by existing gods. Some of that depends on relationships established ahead of time (sometimes it makes a lot of sense for one god to ascend another, instead of that "another" being self-ascended).
I don't know the specifics of this instance, but I expect that the same (lack of) pattern will apply.
That sounds great; just be sure to remember that Azgo hates everybody. He is more of a god to be used than to be befriended. Let me know if you formulate any plans.
Gotcha. So, treat him like Starscream or the sort: the loveable, conniving, lackey that the big bad always puts his trust in only to be proven wrong again and again.
Thank you. That is most generous of you. I would be fine with changing Magma for Metal if you feel that I infringe on your God's domains though.
Gotcha. So, treat him like Starscream or the sort: the loveable, conniving, lackey that the big bad always puts his trust in only to be proven wrong again and again.
That could work. What i had in mind though was a little different. If you can manipulate Azgo into you bidding, directly or indirectly, great. However, Azgo will probably be more hostile towards...well...everyone. He will only form temporary partnerships if the situation is dire or the benefit is great (like a certain godpower siphoning artifact perhaps...)
@Rimmon: That hurts Rimmon, that hurts....
And thanks to both Topheh and Thought for the answers.
I think it makes sense as it is. We can get some sort of family structure between the gods of fire, cold, magma and stone going.
Basically, I'm going to be focusing on stories and myths, and then ascending the subjects of those stories and myths as exarchs. It's basically an extension of my existing plan to focus on myths and stories so it's more in line with what we have and creates what I think is a nice counterpoint to Thought's god.
Basically, I'm going to be focusing on stories and myths, and then ascending the subjects of those stories and myths as exarchs. It's basically an extension of my existing plan to focus on myths and stories so it's more in line with what we have and creates what I think is a nice counterpoint to Thought's god.
So basically, you're going to be a legendary hero factory. I like it.
Since your "god" isn't really a personal being of any kind, and since legendary heroes tend to end up aiding the gods of good in most settings, how do you feel about letting other players buy (or at least rent) exarchs from you? Like, some other god temporarily recruits one of your heroes to do something (assuming the hero would be inclined to work for that god), and pays you with AP? Or, if a hero seems like a really good candidate to become someone's exarch, you can post the story of how the hero found his way into the court of one of the gods, and the god's player pays you with a larger number of AP?
Maybe I'm misunderstanding your god, but if I'm not this could create neat opportunities.
And Toe, obviously. The sheer slapstick of it is half the reason I went for this idea. ;)
Hi everybody! We're about to begin!
Before we do, we'd like to know from EVERY player how you would like to enter the game. You have two options: Ascension by another player, or self-ascension.
Ascension by another player can look like a lot of things. Examples:
Glole laid aside his hammer and looked on his sculpture. He breathed upon it with the breath of Life and the marble lips parted as Simala breathed her first breath.
Rillek stumbled and his cup of god-stuff sloshed, sending droplets of sheer potentiality downwards, where they hit a rock. And the Rock began to think, and Hrmn was born.
Patri knew she had to hide the stolen timey-wimey thing, but nothing was dark enough. She willed a deeper and deeper darkness into a shadow, and deep in that darkness, something awoke.
Tra attacked Tri and ripped out a chunk of Godflesh, throwing it aside as Tra renewed its assault. The flesh flew, and as it flew, it changed...
Basically, ascension can be a concious act, an unconcious act, an intentional act or an unintentional act. The parent or child God can know who their parent/child is, or not. We've generally found that the best stories come from Gods who have relationships, even unknown ones, with other Gods, and reccomend it.
If, however, you have a compelling reason/desire to be self-ascended, that is fine as well, but we'd like to to come up with an interesting reason why your God has come to be at a particular moment (aka, the god of Darkness doesn't exist simply because there is now a light source and a solid object).
So, if each God could post and say how they would like to be ascended, that would be great. Once you've done that, you're all set to go!
*and there was little rejoicing*
Anyway, bringing back my WorldWarp god in one form, because I enjoyed him, and didn't really get far with him.
Name: Karak
Greater Domains: Corruption
Moderate Domains:
Lesser Domains: Abberations, Grafts
Physical Appearance: A shifting blot of shadowy-ness, that morphs to take on the appearance of what it's focused on, or thinking about. As he finds more creatures, the base shape will continue to reflect increasingly large amounts of creatures all at once (taking the "best" elements from each).
Divine Symbol: Any faithful he may or may not have (likely cults of some kind) would bear some sort of corrupted/altered part of their body or a graft of some description.
For a non-self ascension, this would be at least two gods making a promise between themselves, and sealing the deal with the ascension AP. Promises to one's self are not good enough. They should not be immediately aware that their actions have ascended a god, but they should realize that this promise was different. More powerful. Ominous.
For a self-ascension, Sa would arise from a promise made between mortals, but otherwise in a very similar scenario.
That I think would fit him best.
I would prefer for Azgo to self-ascend by sireing himself...from his former selves....that are him. Maybe some more explanation is required.
This preference stems back from my depiction of Azgo as a pair of fused twins. It is not a form that he choose willingly. He was originaly a pair of gods tumbling and spiraling through the ether that are unnaturally becoming connected, and both of them are fighting thier hardest to stop the fusion. It is painful and feels terribly wrong as they come together and crash on either the world or an instantly created demiplane as the fusion finishes. As he awakens, he is consumed with pain and the first sickness, himself and his condition, is born.
That seem good?
I'll even post my first post also!
"I come forth from that that was, the great chaos of before. From its death, a new entity was born, ME. I am known as Zebus, and that which has died will one day be reborn, for thus I command it! I know not who or what this chaotic entity was, but I know it was there before me. Now my brethern rise from the ashes! From death comes life and from life comes death. I will be there to guide it, and console those that lost it. " And from the ash that was the being It, also known as Chaos, Zebus was born into this world next to many of his siblings.
She could be ascended by another god who does something or creates something really memorable or mythical.
Although being his counterpart, I'd like to get ascended around the same time if not at the same time as Thought.
So Thought and I were talking earlier, and now I think I'm going to change my god into basically the Good counterpart of his god. A lot of the details will remain the same, but I'm adding "Ancient Spirits of Good" to the name and changing the domain to Good.
You misremembered. I suggested you be the Ancient Spirit of Goody Two-shoeness. Much less serious.
Just to be clear, my focus is on antagonists over villains. Will yours be protagonists over heroes, or heroes over protagonists?
@Topheh, since my god is rather amorphous, I'd say he'd be "self ascended," but that could happen at any point. I could see it being early, as a primal moving force. A fundamental aspect of the universe that slowly moves into action as gods are about. Perhaps the innate will of the universe divides a mote of nothingness into matter and antimatter, good and evil, resulting in Ara and myself. Or perhaps later, as ill is about, the feeling of ill will between characters recognizes its own will.
I don't really see any god being logical to ascend "The Ancient Spirits of Evil."
Can't wait to get started and have some fun with everyone!
I'd like to encourage all players to consider ascending another player sometime in the first week to get everyone playing as quickly as possible. Lets try and have everyone in and playing by the end of next week.
Not my fault Toph completely blanks on the three different ways he has to get incontact with me :P.
Personally I think it would make sense if my God was ascended by you, Topheh in the purpose to act as a steward or "Handyman" of some sort whose job is to..well..make things more tangible and solid. A craftsman that makes himself as his first craft would be quite cool as well, but nontheless I would prefer of Thereus was ascended by one of the "Old Gods".
*chuckles* Well, good to know! I was about to ascend you because Leaf made me sneeze, but now I'll do something more... dignified.
@Topheh, are you saying that fire has pollen allergies?
Pen, I could see us ascending a God together to seal the bargain, but I'm not sure which one. Thoughts?
James, if you want to get into a little bit of conflict... we could probably make Onus between the two of us pretty easily.
Joran... like last night, not really sure how we can ascend something together. Death + Fire = Err...
EDIT: If we all contribute 2 pp to a sort of oath pact, I could definitely see stone and promises arising from it ("let our promises to each other last as long as mountain stone"). No reason that even dramatic promises have to be binding. Or, perhaps Corruption, too, to give people a way out of an oath? I could also see the AP being more for fulfilling obligations, so Leaf and Pruinus might make Survival? And fire and death... um... well, I get corruption again (maybe to show that pesky Leaf that he's not all that?) Or perhaps pestilence? (after all, what makes you feel really hot and could kill you? The flu).
Feel free to ascend someone else, toph. I'm looking for a promise that is a little less dramatic.
Yeah, I figured
Honestly, Pen, Agni is treating all this as a big joke, so... by all means, keep being a jerk
What sort of promise are you looking for? Does it have to be obvious, or could it be something and debateable (like a token of affection given between two lovers)?
Active threat: 1!
Passive-agressive: 2!
Lets see how high I can get these
Sa - self-ascend or others ascend. Arises over a promise. Raven would like to choose the promise, so perhaps self-ascension would be best? Otherwise, contact Raven first to see if a particular promise will fit.
Karak - Others ascend. Ascend through an accident, such as someone messing with the fabric of the universe, and going a little awry, or an attempt at creation being tampered with, or something similar. Something going very wrong (but not necessarily in a bad way. Just severly unintended or something to that effect).
Azgo - self-ascend, but sired from twins that become fused. It is not a form that he choose willingly. He was originaly a pair of gods tumbling and spiraling through the ether that are unnaturally becoming connected, and both of them are fighting thier hardest to stop the fusion. It is painful and feels terribly wrong as they come together and crash on either the world or an instantly created demiplane as the fusion finishes. As he awakens, he is consumed with pain and the first sickness, himself and his condition, is born.
Yr - either self-ascend or others ascend. Arises from something happening that is worthy of a story. She would come about from that first great myth, and then she would sort of embellish a bit, and make it stranger and more epic, and then sort of exist as that story. Alternately, she could be ascended by another god who does something or creates something really memorable or mythical. But as the counterpart to Thought's god, whatever the means, would like to ascend around the same time as The Ancient Spirits of Evil.
TASOE - self-ascend. Basically whenever the admins give me the green light. Being amorphous and vague, he can easily arrange his own suitable circumstances for arising.
Altruis - either self-ascend (prefered, I think) or others ascend. Would probably ascend unintentionally feasting on the souls of the other gods' creations, until he would eventually be able to gain enough power. Or another possible scenario is arising out of the pure malice or evil of another God or one of their actions. Such as a plague/battle happens between Gods or/and mortals and the clash of powers or torment of souls dead in a catastrophe swirling together to form into Altruis.
ff6Shadow - Never ascend. Ever. Don't trust him. Don't blink. Blink and you're dead. He's fast, faster than you can image. Don't look away and don't blink.
Umbra - others ascend. Another god pokes around in the darkness, and something in the darkness is awoken.
Thereus - Topheh ascend (my, we're being specific, here. Topheh, hop to it. Perhaps Leaf can command you :P). It would make sense if this was ascended by Agni in the purpose to act as a steward or "Handyman" of some sort whose job is to..well..make things more tangible and solid. A craftsman that makes himself as his first craft would be quite cool as well, but nontheless I would prefer of Thereus was ascended by one of the "Old Gods".
Haven't heard from Khan, LinYurenya, or Crimson Vampr.
An ascension quick reference guide:
Sa - self-ascend or others ascend. Arises over a promise. Raven would like to choose the promise, so perhaps self-ascension would be best? Otherwise, contact Raven first to see if a particular promise will fit.
If Raven wants to pick the promise, then self-ascension does make sense. Alternately, retroactive AP-spending could be allowed for such an instance.
Karak - Others ascend. Ascend through an accident, such as someone messing with the fabric of the universe, and going a little awry, or an attempt at creation being tampered with, or something similar. Something going very wrong (but not necessarily in a bad way. Just severly unintended or something to that effect).
Sounds good. Sounds like that might happen soon
Azgo - self-ascend, but sired from twins that become fused. It is not a form that he choose willingly. He was originaly a pair of gods tumbling and spiraling through the ether that are unnaturally becoming connected, and both of them are fighting thier hardest to stop the fusion. It is painful and feels terribly wrong as they come together and crash on either the world or an instantly created demiplane as the fusion finishes. As he awakens, he is consumed with pain and the first sickness, himself and his condition, is born.
I could also imagine this as the completely failed ascension attempt by two Gods at the same location. Each forms half a God, and is horrified to realize that they've created a monster... who is then a new God.
Yr - either self-ascend or others ascend. Arises from something happening that is worthy of a story. She would come about from that first great myth, and then she would sort of embellish a bit, and make it stranger and more epic, and then sort of exist as that story. Alternately, she could be ascended by another god who does something or creates something really memorable or mythical. But as the counterpart to Thought's god, whatever the means, would like to ascend around the same time as The Ancient Spirits of Evil.
TASOE - self-ascend. Basically whenever the admins give me the green light. Being amorphous and vague, he can easily arrange his own suitable circumstances for arising.
Part of me likes the 'matter-antimatter' idea for both TASOE and Yr. Might be a good way of going about it.
Altruis - either self-ascend (prefered, I think) or others ascend. Would probably ascend unintentionally feasting on the souls of the other gods' creations, until he would eventually be able to gain enough power. Or another possible scenario is arising out of the pure malice or evil of another God or one of their actions. Such as a plague/battle happens between Gods or/and mortals and the clash of powers or torment of souls dead in a catastrophe swirling together to form into Altruis.
I actually like the feasting on souls image... gives you an automatic reason to dislike Joran's God.
ff6Shadow - Never ascend. Ever. Don't trust him. Don't blink. Blink and you're dead. He's fast, faster than you can image. Don't look away and don't blink.
Noted. Will not take pictures of him either.
Umbra - others ascend. Another god pokes around in the darkness, and something in the darkness is awoken.
Cool.
Thereus - Topheh ascend (my, we're being specific, here. Topheh, hop to it. Perhaps Leaf can command you :P). It would make sense if this was ascended by Agni in the purpose to act as a steward or "Handyman" of some sort whose job is to..well..make things more tangible and solid. A craftsman that makes himself as his first craft would be quite cool as well, but nontheless I would prefer of Thereus was ascended by one of the "Old Gods".
Working on it, working on it!
Haven't heard from Khan, LinYurenya, or Crimson Vampr.
As i intend Pruinus to create a lot of icy mountains (Was her symbol but thinking about changing it) i can imagine her ascending Onus and Kuranath based on their descriptions.
if i really need to post from now on i'll do it as smaller, separate posts on mobile then merge them when i have computer access. (Unless they are objections, it could mess up chronology.)
But i only rushed that post on due to not wanting to leave agni, leaf and zebus alone in the universe, when i'm no longer 1/4 of the playerbase my posts will probably be less common but much better presented.
Actually, idea: What if we had a 'hot' sun and a 'cold' sun, one traveling east-west and the other north-south. Both provide light, but one is hot as day and the other cold as night (or so). We could do something more extreme, but that might get a little insane to RP (Day 1: Its a desert. Day 2: Icicles and snowfall!).
Thoughts?
@Pen_Draggin: Whilst now is the time to decide what rules apply in this universe, I think that we're going with the "Real Life unless stated otherwise" route, which must fiction follows. Unless it is explicitly stated otherwise, the same rules apply here as real life.
This is to prevent cases such as Joran saying "I didn't say my humans couldn't breath underwater!"
;D
Edit: Sorted out my posts so they are now much more readable. Could be worth another read as a few more details have been added, but it's not necessary. Now I can bring my fullest to what shall forever be known as "Lords Of Creation: Jamespies Is An Idiot. "
Personally I think it would make sense if my God was ascended by you, Topheh in the purpose to act as a steward or "Handyman" of some sort whose job is to..well..make things more tangible and solid. A craftsman that makes himself as his first craft would be quite cool as well, but nontheless I would prefer of Thereus was ascended by one of the "Old Gods".
*chuckles* Well, good to know! I was about to ascend you because Leaf made me sneeze, but now I'll do something more... dignified.
Sorry about that, I was a little bit tired when I wrote it.. I wasn't aware of the domineering tone the post had.
@Pen_Draggin: Whilst now is the time to decide what rules apply in this universe, I think that we're going with the "Real Life unless stated otherwise" route, which must fiction follows. Unless it is explicitly stated otherwise, the same rules apply here as real life.
Exactly. Let's say that Agni had refused Leaf's request. That would be us stating that something in this world is fundamentally different than the real world: in this world, rubbing two sticks together would never make a fire, because fire and life would be at fundamental, paranormal odds. Or consider how Zebus' decision could affect the game. If he accepts, then he and Leaf would be partners and friends, and when undeath appears, they can stand united against him. But if Zebus refuses, I'd assume he'll still kill things. However, the default would be that life lives forever until Death interceeds, and, since Death isn't supposed to be interceeding, that would put him and Leaf at odds. Leaf might team up (or even create) undeath then.
Sorry about that, I was a little bit tired when I wrote it.. I wasn't aware of the domineering tone the post had.
Not a problem. I certainly didn't take it as such
Just found it amusing that I had *almost* ascended you in a completely different fashion.
Sorry about that, I was a little bit tired when I wrote it.. I wasn't aware of the domineering tone the post had.
Not a problem. I certainly didn't take it as such
Oh, may I ask in what sort of fashion my God would originally see the light of the world?
Greater Domains: Order
Moderate Domains:
Lesser Domains:
Physical Appearance: Orinas typically appears as a tall humanoid clad in armor of an indeterminate metal.
Divine Symbol: A central core within an eight pointed star.
Geez! :P
I did however manage to do it in such a way as to allow for anyone who wants to be apart of that ascension is able to do so. Accidental though it may be. Also, laying some groundwork here, but not really sure if I'm doing it right. Just basing it off of Toph's post. (I will always see a blind earthbender when I refer to you Topheh.
) someone tell me when I screw up and what I need to do to fix it, and I will comply.Edit: oh, I suppose I don't need to spend AP on that then... Perhaps it's a cool way for the planet to be created though? I was under the impression nothing existed as the First God failed time after time and his creations kept coming undone... Perhaps my way is a good story based way for the planet to become?
I thought without the stone god, there was no...rock. That makes some of the things you have done much more understandable.
Also, Crimson, I set it up so people would have to spend their first AP on making a planet, but if you want to then go ahead! We can always use the other planet for something else, and who is to say it is a planet at all?
Also, Crimson, I set it up so people would have to spend their first AP on making a planet, but if you want to then go ahead! We can always use the other planet for something else, and who is to say it is a planet at all?
This confuses me slightly. How do we have to spend our first AP on making the planet if it's already there? Did you simply reduce our starting AP from other games?
This approach was specifically for the purpose of not forcing early and starter gods to spend all of their early efforts crafting the actual planet (so to speak) for everyone else. Additionally, it prevents any one god from having actual ownership of the planet.
In fact, creating a planet from scratch is far and beyond the potency of any one individual god within the current system. The AP necessary to generate such a large quantity of matter would be enourmous, likely approaching the entire combined AP of all of the starter gods combined.
I don't think having any one god, even as fluff, having created the planet is a good idea.
Guess i'll have to jump into the deep end without him.
Crimson, I (and maybe James?) was actually about to ascend you. Would you mind taking down your post for a few hours until we can get that happening (for continuity's sake?)
Edit: Forgotten,
I've seen people play that way (there's a LoC group on the Giant in the Playground forums that does it that way), but it always seemed a little strange to me. For instance, we have no God of language, but we are all speaking to one another, no God of Gravity, but we seem to know what up and down are. Basically, the way we've usually done it over here is that a God is the patron, not creator, of an object (so, for instance, a god of Light doesn't exist simply because there is a light source)
Here i come...
@Thought: Definitely. The manipulative mentor/rebellious student relationship is one that intrigues me.
EDIT: No, i meant typing. I was still waiting for the greelight. Looking back, i could see how that could be misinterpreted. That line was one I was thinking and it just kind of flew out unto the page. I have been putting my background on the side untill now, and i was thinking its about time i write it. Sorry about the confusion.
I am leading up to one of us proposing the creation of a being that can stand both the hot AND cold (stone)
Aldii, depending on how long this takes, you'll either get ascended *before* or *after* Crimson
That said... oh boy. Might explain why our mortals live so long in these games, though :D
I'll check the IC thread and post now if necessary.
"Imagine that life is a length of rope, at the end of which is death. That would still be the same, except that the length of rope is infinite. "
And then some jerk comes by and cuts said rope and ties it all together into knots!
its the same cycle as day-->night. only with the neverending spans of fools we call mortals.
But tell us how you *really* feel about life, Joran :P
its the same cycle as day-->night. only with the neverending spans of fools we call mortals.
"Imagine that life is a length of rope, at the end of which is death. That would still be the same, except that the length of rope is infinite. "
And then some jerk comes by and cuts said rope and ties it all together into knots!
I fully expect Zebus to do something like that. But it makes death into something different. Instead of death being the natural end to life, it is an unnatural surprise. A person could get stabbed in the heart every day of their life and live to a hundred, only to have the next stab be fatal because Death finally caught Life unattentive. To speak in D&D terms, the relationship would be like that of Orcus and the Raven Queen... only, you know, with Leaf in place of the Raven Queen, and Zebus in place of metroids-I-mean-Orcus.
Yeah, that's not standard. But, to be fair, neither is a life/death/rebirth cycle (standard D&D has spirits disolving into planes of alignment, if I recall correctly, yes?)
However that laves me with questions as to the "go-ahead" marker. When does it come about? I am getting the feeling that the primal force gods will have thier conversations and...float around i guess untill five days have passed and then all of the secondary force gods will just sorta fall into creation and will be lucky to land on thier butts. Topheh's new segment on ascention helps to clear that matter up, but it leaves no mention of an admin clearing you to go. In fact it seems to imply the opposite.
Right now i am fairly confused...
As you know, we're trying to get good story here, so really the only major requirement for your self-ascension is a good plot-based reason to do so. We want your enterance to make a proverbial splash, as it were (we really need a water god).
So basically, to self ascend, if you see a point in-game that would be an interesting place for you to enter into the world, post it here and tell us what you are thinking, and we'll most likely say 'GO!'
One opening that I was thinking of that might require a bit of coordination with Joran would be to use that 1 AP he tried to spend to create a God as an opening that allows your God to fall into the universe... if Joran is still willing to spend that 1 AP!
Sorry for the confusion. I'll add this to the first post.
"Motherly" is the word I'm using to describe Pruinus right now, whether that be gentle affection, harsh punishment, or uncontrollable rage at those who dare hurt her creations.
Myself, I think I'm going to start creating things soon. As nice as it is having us four and the universe, I think we should start adding gods and defining the planet itself.
Not that this is actually just an argument for me to be allowed in. Nope, nuh uh. :P
That said, I can totally see TASOE trying to work with either god, if a peaceful conclusion isn't reached
As for the berries... do they have magical properties? If so... yeah, you might want to spend an AP on them. If they're just berries that grow at a particular time, don't worry about it.
As for the berries, I don't intend for them to have magical properties. They just grow at winter and taste REALLY NICE. :D
3 AP: Create primal spirits of cold
1 AP: Command primal spirits to make it cold every few 'years' (whatever that means when the sun goes around the planet and not vice-versa
)Entirely your decision... both work just fine.
Although I kinda liked the idea of time being vague in this story, as we have no idea how much time the gods have spent/wasted chatting already, whats a good real life into game world comparision of how long time is?
I'd like to know this so I can see how many weeks it is before I declare winter and how many weeks/days before I declare winter is over again.
the problem with a game like this is that short events take too long and long events can go by very quickly. Go to the wiki and read the history of Aetherial Realms, where we actually kept track of the 'years' that had passed. You'll see wars that last 4000 years, individuals who survive for millenia, and massive events (like ice ages) which last only 200-some. Basically, time is *quite* relative, and we've long since given up trying to set a defined 'pace.'
So, in answer to your question: Winter comes whenever you want it to come! My instinct would be to have it last a turn (a week) and occur every month or so.
Here, this is the image I took my God's inspiration from...
To be specific, Agni is the one on the left.
EDIT: "Fixed" my IC post. Let me know if you object, and I'll try to be better in the future.
Pruinus thought she heard something... other for a moment.
OOCShowThe beginning where Pruinus hears something is meant to be a reference to Primal Spirits awakening in the world as the last tiny remains of The First as it is a domain I wish to claim soon. However, any other suggestions of what this could mean storywise (Perhaps other gods whispering to her) are very welcome.
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Toe, the thing about the moon and sun was mostly that I want to be able to sort of invent the story that people tell about it. Whether that story is accurate is not the most important thing. That said, I was sort of hoping that the moon could sort of serve as either a portal or else a physical manifestation of my plane in the material plane. Of course, someone could still create the moon, and then I just sort of latch onto that. This time I plan to experiment with symbols and such, and ideas of belief and worship, and celestial bodies are just such iconic symbols for that, so I'd love to be a part of that.
@Ara: You might want to talk with James about that
@Crimson: Depends on what you want them to be, but somewhere around 3 AP should do the trick.
its the same cycle as day-->night. only with the neverending spans of fools we call mortals.
"Imagine that life is a length of rope, at the end of which is death. That would still be the same, except that the length of rope is infinite. "
And then some jerk comes by and cuts said rope and ties it all together into knots!
I fully expect Zebus to do something like that. But it makes death into something different. Instead of death being the natural end to life, it is an unnatural surprise. A person could get stabbed in the heart every day of their life and live to a hundred, only to have the next stab be fatal because Death finally caught Life unattentive. To speak in D&D terms, the relationship would be like that of Orcus and the Raven Queen... only, you know, with Leaf in place of the Raven Queen, and Zebus in place of metroids-I-mean-Orcus.
Yeah, that's not standard. But, to be fair, neither is a life/death/rebirth cycle (standard D&D has spirits disolving into planes of alignment, if I recall correctly, yes?)
You would be correct, IF we didn't already have someone wanting to come in under the Undeath guise. My slant was supposed to be the Raven Queen/Kalimvor, but with you coming in attacking and demanding and such, its making it difficult! :P
And sorry folks for posting so very late as I have been working a lot of overtime and I have been having class, and physical therapy for a pulled shoulder muscle. I should be posting a response sometime tonight I hope!
Also, you mean the LoC mibbit room? Be there in a quick-sec.
I made an acocunt on one of the many sub-boards (Chess) but I need 20rep to use the chat?
Also, you mean the LoC mibbit room? Be there in a quick-sec.
Yeah, I (or another room owner) just needs your chat account id number to give you explicit access.
@Aradeia: It was my plan to create a cold-radiating moon but i wasn't dead set on the idea, so go ahead.
If there is storming off, could I ask that all the gods storm off at once? The four elder deities heading in the four directions seems like it might pull the essence of the universe, disturbing it, and causing the two Ancient Spirits to arise in the wake.
If we can't anger Leaf... would the pulling away of the gods period do the same trick?
You would be correct, IF we didn't already have someone wanting to come in under the Undeath guise. My slant was supposed to be the Raven Queen/Kalimvor, but with you coming in attacking and demanding and such, its making it difficult! :P
I didn't mean that Zebus would become undeath, but rather the relationship between him and Leaf would be like the relationship between the Queen and Orcus. Which is to say, they hate each other.
Leaf didn't really demand that much (and both Agni and Pruinus were able to make it appear to Leaf that they gave it). And he was offering Zebus full cooperation, so things would have been exactly as you wanted it. Really, at the end of the day, he was just being a thorn in your side! But now, alas, the seed of animosity has been planted. Hopefully Zebus and Leaf can grow over it, though, and path things up over a glass of vine. Until then, though, Zebus might want to make like a tree, and leaf!
Pruinus now seeks to calm this conflict, seeing it get out of hand if not. She doesn't care if Leaf & Zebus don't get along, but she doesn't want the situation to develop much further.
EDIT: I may start work on Pruinus wiki page sometime soon, desperate the lack of much true, physical development of the world the character seems to be developing as she goes along, and could probably create a decent length page if I really wanted to.
@Forgotten Command: I'd love for us to interact in this way, although i should clear something up. If you want to use Pruinus to ascend it might take a while, she's not the sort to trust omnious whispers in her head quickly.
Ahh, that is interesting, but not what i had intended. I was suggesting that it would be a foreshadow for my god crashing into the planet (nothing too powerful). Less of a corrupting whisper and more of an ominous, unintelligible scream.
I still plan to self-ascend. I know that aided ascention is community friendly and helps to build relations between the gods, but self-ascention is a part of this character that i am fairly attached to.
@Crimson: "sending up a ring of mountains around a deep valley" is a classic AP action (unless you intend for the mountains to disappear when you leave, or something like that), as you are, in a sense, 'commanding' the earth to bend around your person. I kind of like the idea of a circular mountain range as a focal point for our planet.
EDIT: Of course, if i do that, then i will have an entrance followed by a 3/4 day of silence, which would be awkward for the first god that wishes to speak with me...
@Joran: So, Ara and I had talked a little about possibly ascending soon to be the proverbial angel and devil sitting on Zebus' shoulders, urgining him on towards REVENGE!tm Any thoughts?
@Crimson: "sending up a ring of mountains around a deep valley" is a classic AP action (unless you intend for the mountains to disappear when you leave, or something like that), as you are, in a sense, 'commanding' the earth to bend around your person. I kind of like the idea of a circular mountain range as a focal point for our planet.
Ah, yes, that was totally meant to be a 1AP expenditure, but I got distracted in the middle of my post and had to leave the keyboard for a bit. By the time I got back to it, I was rushed and forgot to add that in. Hurray for having children! I'll edit it in right away.
Also, sorry about my God. He's... kinda paradoxically cold and uncaring at the moment.Also, just noticed no one has been using the AP log, so I thought I'd put a reminder in here for it.
Anyways, I think I just did the ultimate jerk move: I gave faceless angels souls, faces, and free will!
and Thought I might have to get with you soon on that! It sounds like too much fun!
Now, Pruinus, would you be so kind as to provide me with a whip made of ice? I'm picturing this giant Balor except that his weapons have opposing elements instead of being all fire.
By the way, all people should join the Death god! I has cookies!
My thoughts:
You are right in that you told the angels to oppose any action that Zebus took to interfere with Life. In many cases, I would say that this means that Zebus would have to figure out a way to fight against them.
That said, I am not sure how angels would fight against being given... souls and emotions. I'm not even sure if that is, strictly speaking, life (with a little l) being interfered with, as Zebus is not causing the life that is in the angels to be any shorter or longer or etc.
Mechanically, both actions are valid, of course.
So I'll talk to Shadow tomorrow morning and we'll get back to you and Joran.
or a curse depending on how you see it!
Excellent point. Mwahahaha!
Name: Urru
Greater Domains: Light
Moderate Domains:
Lesser Domains:
Physical Appearance: A small, fluffy looking being within shimmering ball of bluish light.
hehe! thats funny! A god of fire being cold!
Agni has stated himself that Pruinus is also quite fiery. Oh the irony. LOLZ :D
There are many flavors and they are all tasty!
Well, I'm Sold.
@Crimson Vampire: Apologies but I spend some AP before I read your request. Would it cost me any AP to create a whip of ice? Either way, If you ask my god in-game, she probably would fulfill this request, even if it means using my last AP for the week.
It was my intention to create an icy ring of mountains on top of the planet since before the game began, so sorry for interfering though, but if you have any objections you can easily destory these glaciers.
Also, I sound also start submitting my AP expenditure. Shall I do so from the very beginning of the game, or from now onwards?
(As I was under the impression AP submission was to make chronology easier by stating the exact course and order of these events.)
Thank you for letting me build a God though, that was great fun and I'll certainly keep a look-out for the next iteration!
Good luck! Your God sounded really interesting. If it changes your mind at all... the OOC is mostly pointless reading, and we summarize the events that happen in-game weekly expressly so people can jump in without actually having to read everything that happens.If you do change your mind... you're welcome anytime!
Things getting off to a hillarious start on the IC thread. Perhaps Agni, Pruinis, and Leaf should create some life forms so that those poor angels have something to do besides swarming Zebus.
@Crimson Vampire: Apologies but I spend some AP before I read your request. Would it cost me any AP to create a whip of ice? Either way, If you ask my god in-game, she probably would fulfill this request, even if it means using my last AP for the week.
It was my intention to create an icy ring of mountains on top of the planet since before the game began, so sorry for interfering though, but if you have any objections you can easily destory these glaciers.
I don't think Agni spent any AP on the sword, it's not a relic or an artifact or anything of the sort, so I don't see a need to spend any on it. As for the whip, I can do without, it was just an amusing image that popped into my head. I was just sharing in case anyone else was amused by it as well.
I haven't checked the IC thread, but did you just steal my mountain range?!?!? Now we's gonna hafta fight! or, I may have to go land somewhere else and create another valley to call my home...
I can even imagine a scary Monster Manual summary for them.
Free Angels
Angels created by the life god Leaf, and given free will and faces to convey emotion by Zebus. Disgusted and repulsed by their own faces, they were masks to hide their faces and hunt down the death god Zebus fanatically, letting nothing stop them from extracting their revenge.
So yeah, things are getting interesting. :D
Also, do the angels covering their faces remind anyone else of Szeth-son-son-Vallano?
Although out of any education at the moment, it is my intention to go to university to study concept art within the next two years, and this thread is giving me some pretty cool ideas.
Would anyone have any objections of me creating some concept art/illustrations based on the descriptions of their gods. I'd hope it's fine but I really have to get into the habit of asking for permissions, can land someone in my career path a lot of trouble assuming they can use others ideas.
Please note I'm mainly out of education because I really need to practice concept art (I only started drawing at all two years ago) so if I can create some artwork based on your descriptions, I will link you to it somewhere, but don't expect anything incredible. (Alas, it may be quite poor, it really is based on my mood at time of drawing)
Just a quick question.
Although out of any education at the moment, it is my intention to go to university to study concept art within the next two years, and this thread is giving me some pretty cool ideas.
Would anyone have any objections of me creating some concept art/illustrations based on the descriptions of their gods. I'd hope it's fine but I really have to get into the habit of asking for permissions, can land someone in my career path a lot of trouble assuming they can use others ideas.
Please note I'm mainly out of education because I really need to practice concept art (I only started drawing at all two years ago) so if I can create some artwork based on your descriptions, I will link you to it somewhere, but don't expect anything incredible. (Alas, it may be quite poor, it really is based on my mood at time of drawing)
Go right ahead. More ideas will come the longer the thread gets as more gets created.
Good luck with Umbra.
They take the Zap Brannagin approach to winning. Luckily Zebus isn't a killbot with a preprogrammed kill-limit.
If only there was a god of tactics to show them a better way.
It might be useful to think of responses to other people's posts in terms of Scene/Sequals and Setbacks.
A scene is when the protagonist has a goal, there is conflict (generally a question of will the hero be able to achieve that goal), and then setback.
A sequel is when characters react to the scene. This is where empathy and emotional attachment are developed in the reader's mind (so hey, if you want other players to like your god, maybe focus on this a little more than scenes). In sequals, we see a character's emotional reation ("oh noes, I'm in a car accident! Terror, Fright, PANIC!), their intellectual response ("I'm in an accident, is anyone hurt? Do I have my insurance papers? Was it my fault or theirs?"), anticipation ("oh noes, now I'm not going to get to the hospital in time to give Aunty Em this magical pill that will cure her of super-cancer and she will die!"), and then choice ("I have to make a run for it, so I can get to the hospital in time!"). Sequels, as you can probably tell, often lead into the next scene (will our plucky hero get to the hospital in time to save Auntie Em despite the police chasing him down because he ran from an accident?)
When formulating a post, it might be good for to present a sequel to the posts before yours (remember: emotion, reason, anticipation, choice. You don't always have to have all four, and even when you do, you don't have to dwell on them much, but the order is important).
Then, move on to your own character's scene (what is your character's goals in that scene? What forces will oppose them?). And when interacting with others, chances are they'll get to decide your setbacks.
There are four types of setbacks possible. They are "Yes," "No," "Yes, but" and "No, and."
A "Yes" setback isn't really a setback. The protagonist overcomes the conflict and achieves their goal. The hero is in a pit of rabid wolverines, tries to jump out, and makes it. Bor-ing. But sometimes, it's just important to advance the story.
A "No" setback is also boring. The hero tries to jump out of the pit, fails, but is in no better or worse of a situation. Ho-hum. However, for a cooperative game like this, I'd say that these should never, or at least nearly never, be used.
A "Yes, but" setback is beautiful. The protagonist jumps out of the pit, but not before contracting rabid wolverine syndrom, which will eventually turn him into a monster! Dun dun DUUUUUUN. How does he feel about this? What will he do?! Tune in next week, same wolverine-time, same wolverine-channel.
A "No, and" setback is very solid too, especially when you want to build tension. The protagonist tries to jump out of the pit and grabs a root to help him. Except thats a snake! A rabid snake. With face-herpes. The hero falls back into the pit, pulling the snake with him. Now he's surrounded by raging wolverines and a rabid, face-herpies snake! How will he get out of this one?!
Generally speaking, "yes, but" and "no, and" setbacks are the best, because they open up options for further storytelling. "Yes" and "no" generally shut those down. However, repetition is also boring, so vary the setbacks. "No" is dangerous in cooperative games because it shuts other people down entirely. Ignoring entirely is also a way of giving the "no" setback, so be careful of that.
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Hrmn. The first one seems more interesting.
And James: Go for it! I implore you to exercise your creativity here! If that also means drawing to your hearts content then go for it! I'd say you can use any and all of my gods that you wish!
@Forgotten, totally. Although from what Zebus has done, they're pretty messed up already.
@James, that sounds awesome! You have permission for any of my stuff.
@Joran, James, and Topheh: I was wondering if anyone would be willing to betray Leaf. I had been thinking that they'd convince Leaf that Zebus was going to yield, only to have Leaf attacked, broken, and expelled. Assuming that Zebus isn't really dead, perhaps still that? Or just in general something to lead to Leaf's downfall.
@Pen #1: How do *you* want planar entities to work? We're not making DnD, we're making our own game (on a general DnD framework, yes, but...)
@Pen #2: Sure. My pleasure.
That said, it did get me away from the others so I could do what I've been promising to do for some time now. Aldii, I'm ascending you at the moment. Welcome to the game!
Seems like it could just be an act of reality bringing into being a lord of creation to rule over the concept. Some light displays in the barren sky, some special effects, and a new gods rises from the barren ground to greet the world and assume his duties.
I have no objections...
Good luck with Umbra.
Right now, with no description I'd probably draw Umbra using Nocturne from League Of Legends as a guideline, adding some elements of abberant and lovecraftian horror.
I'd then make a Demotivational with the caption:
DARK CTHULU
Sh*t just hit the fan.
Sorry toph, but you were just a few seconds shy.
It should be curious to see how everyone and everything reacts with no "death" around. At least for now......
But as for seeing how things act without death...
@Shadow, would I be correct in assuming that you are not playing a chaotically aligned god of order? Both Joran and Pen have expressed interest in their characters resolving the conflict between life and death through future interactions. Unless Leaf rejects the god of order (seems unlikely, unless your god is chaotic, given that I've noticed he's been swearing by order for a while, now), he'll have to accept your new natural order, and that will be the end of it. As a reader, at least, that'd be a really unsatisfying end, since its basically a bad case of deus ex machina. And given Joran's and Pen's various statements, I'd assume at least a little unsatisfying for them, too (though you two, please let me know if I'm wrong in that).
@ Joran: Still not cool. I SAVED you
@ Rimmon: Alternate idea. I have no idea what Joran has planned for Zebus, but presumably Joran hasn't just quit the game. (right, Joran?) This means that in some way, shape or form, Death must return to "Life." If the God of Death was actually a Zombie (aka, raised back to 'life' by you), that would be... deliciously interesting. Why don't you and Joran shoot each other a few PMs about it and see if you can come up with anything. Regardless, I think the transition of Death to Life is an excellent place for you to enter, however that happens.
@James. Awesome
Looking forward to it. You probably *should* spend some AP (1) on those Halls of Creation. Its a Named Location in the world, and we usually cement that name and its meaning with a small command action. The writing and decoration are free, of course. I love the idea, and can just imagine brave adventurers stumbling upon it by accident. Also, see below @EVERYONE: Please recall that we reset our AP every week. Typically, we do this sometime on Sunday (usually early afternoon). Shadow and Aldii, as you just got ascended, we'll not reset your AP this week, as that would be cruel. Crimson and Forgotten, we'll give you a choice. If you spend your AP before we reset, we'll reset you. If you don't... we won't, and what you have will carry over until next week's reset.
Joran, Pen, James and Myself: No excuses. Get that AP spent!
And I have not quit! While all appearances are there, and I look "dead". Do not forget that I have already created an "after-life" plane, and that is where I went. It may take some time for my body to reform, Zebus will return. After a time.
Yes, Agni and Pruinus both had excellent intentions and worked well to stop the tide. Zebus himself could have easily wiped them out himself without even breaking a sweat. That isn't why he did what he did though. He wanted to teach everyone what death was and about. It was about loss. The end of one for others to come after, but that lesson appeared lost on Leaf. It was also to completely remove purpose from Leaf's angels. What are they going to do now, now that the Deathlord is gone? What is their purpose? What are they protecting life from? From dying? Leaf already decreed that life is neverending. So nothing will die. Agni and Pruinus have seen what can happen and felt loss. So, while Zebus is "dead" its really a whole lot harder to kill the deathlord than that.
And Thought, its not suicide, its martyrdom. Remember: He was murdered by others, he didn't kill himself.
(Yay!?)
YAY!!
I assumed AP would be rest then and i'd have to save it up till then. Seeing as that's not the case i may as well spent it now.
Seeing as I'm spending AP to create it would it be allright if i added the following qualities to it?
-The hall is blessed and resistant to most damage and will not melt despite any temperature changes. This resistance only goes so far. If a god or a mighty army decided to siege it, it could still sustain damage.
- The hall is connected to Pruinus and reflects her state of mind. If she meets a new god, their monument will appear in the hall without any conscious effort on Pruinus half.
-Pruinus is aware of any happenings in the hall at all times.
The hall is connected to Pruinus and reflects her state of mind. If she meets a new god, their monument will appear in the hall without any conscious effort on Pruinus half.
You're gonna have one ugly statue pretty soon...
We'll probably reset tomorrow night, so no need to rush too much
But you're right. If Leaf had known that Order had manifested in the world and that Order wanted things a certain way, he'd have followed. So if the conflict wouldn't have ended with Zebus' death, it would have ended there. But, the main conflict was just who got to wear a fancier crown, more or less.
But I don't want to speak for Joran. He seemed to want to have the world get messed up without Zebus there to keep it in balance. As such, either Order taking Zebus' side, or Leaf acting as if Zebus was dead might ruin that plan. Joran, if you'd like me to change my post, let me know, I'd be happy to do so. Also, when Leaf gets a little more AP, I'm planning on him turning your weapon into an artifact (it would be under your control, though, and with the death domain inside): is that okay?
@Thought and Aradeia, since Leaf left, I think that means that the universe is ready for you two to enter, as you had said before. Though, I suppose the admins still have to give the final go-ahead.
I found the promise I would like to ascend on.
"You didn't allow me to honor you in life, brother," Leaf said, "But I will honor you in death. I will make your memory what it should have been."
Added bonus: the Deathblooms (!!flowers!!) are nearby.
You're more than welcome to ascend near me if you care to. Good, Evil, and Flowers is a trio common in many pantheons!
Even the angels had gone their way. Leaf was alone.
Time to initiate phase 1 of my infinitely complex 2 phase plan.
I've heard this, but never understood why. Raven, why is it that flowers are the natural balance to the good-evil-flowers tripod?
Simple: Flowers have great capacity to be used for either good or evil!
Consider:
Plant commonly used for Evil Plant commonly used for Good
@Joran, don't get your hopes up: Leaf learned nothing. He always wanted to have death be a part of life, it was just when Zebus refused to yield that he changed things.
I've heard this, but never understood why. Raven, why is it that flowers are the natural balance to the good-evil-flowers tripod?
Simple: Flowers have great capacity to be used for either good or evil!
Consider:
Plant commonly used for Evil Plant commonly used for Good
Those are compelling examples. Although I don't think the first is a *flower*
Speaking of which, it seems that three gods just leaped into the graces of the Life god's company.
I've heard this, but never understood why. Raven, why is it that flowers are the natural balance to the good-evil-flowers tripod?
Simple: Flowers have great capacity to be used for either good or evil!
Consider:
Plant commonly used for Evil Plant commonly used for Good
Those are compelling examples. Although I don't think the first is a *flower*
Maybe not in name. You're the biologist, right? If that red part *isn't* a flower, what is it?
i.e.=http://yourlisten.com/channel/content/16948105/Creepy_Laugh
Maybe not in name. You're the biologist, right? If that red part *isn't* a flower, what is it?
I'm *so* glad you asked. I think the most reasonable plant to equate to the Piranha Plant would be the venus fly trap, or another one of the Family Droseraceae. As it turns out, the 'mouth' of plants of this family are technically leaves, as they do not have the necessary reproductive organs present within the mouth.
and Rimmon Theforgottencommand: using and abusing my image? ................Classic! I like it! I can't wait to see what else you come up with!
Edit: Sorry Forgotten! I was half asleep when I wrote that. I'm not much better now, but no excuse! Still keep on abusing!
No problem. Thought that counts and all that jazz.
Thanks
My first plan was just to snatch them with a big ol' god hand from the sky. Glad i upgraded.
..."window.parent.tinyMCE.get('post_content').onLoad.dispatch();" contenteditable="true" />I'm *so* glad you asked. I think the most reasonable plant to equate to the Piranha Plant would be the venus fly trap, or another one of the Family Droseraceae. As it turns out, the 'mouth' of plants of this family are technically leaves, as they do not have the necessary reproductive organs present within the mouth.
(Actually, the Japanese name is "Pakkun Flower")
Then allow me to corroborate my earlier evidence with this fella. Look at him! Look how evil he is!
The hall is connected to Pruinus and reflects her state of mind. If she meets a new god, their monument will appear in the hall without any conscious effort on Pruinus half.
You're gonna have one ugly statue pretty soon...
She can also remove sculptures with a conscious effort or place them in their own separate hall of evil lords to beware of.
I suppose for now I'll just magically protect it, and add some more magicky stuff to it later.
She can also remove sculptures with a conscious effort
And i had a pose picked out and everything...
(Cries into a tissue)
or place them in their own separate hall of evil lords to beware of.
That would certainly be interesting. Like the scary ride during the Willy Wonka Factory Tour...
The entire reason Pruinus is being reclusive is to built a wacky factory of ice sculptures to tour kids around! :D
EDIT: Seriously, all you would need is a den of gnomes, a tanning booth, and you're set to go!
Hehehe.... Movie references.
Anyway, still working on Agni's concept. I've had to expand my already sizable portfolio of brushes to get the right feel to him, so this better be good!
Five children get to go into the hall of monuments, all they have to do is find one of five golden winter berries.
Please do this.
Thank you.
Five children get to go into the hall of monuments, all they have to do is find one of five golden winter berries.
Please do this.
Thank you.
Oh.....allright. :D
Just read the latest IC post..... DAYUM AZGO, YOU SCARY! D:
But in all seriousness, I do love the image provided for your angels and I see your god being quite a terrifying sight.x
I think I know what I'm drawing after Pruinus.
The picture is actually something Rimmon found, and i liked it so much as to base my creations on it.
Looking forward to declaring war on all of you...
The picture is actually something Rimmon found, and i liked it so much as to base my creations on it.
your welcome :D
Where did Artun corporate? My understanding was that the Garden of Twilight (or w/e Zeebus' garden was called) was within the crator-ring of mountains, which, unless I'm misreading your paragraph, is where you ascended Artun as well? (So there would, in fact, be one observor: Sa)
Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.
Crimson left, dunno about Fshaadow. I'll have Sa come say hello to Artun, then.
My understanding was that the Garden of Twilight (or w/e Zeebus' garden was called
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I thought that Leaf created the Garden of Twilight.
1AP Nourish - Leaf creates the twilight garden, the only place in the world where odd flowers in the shape of men grow. They are highly poisonous, and can quickly kill anyone foolish enough to pick them despite their hideous warning screams.
Is there some confusion with this and-
Leaf waved a hand and grey grass appeared over the body, decomposing it, turning it into dirt. Black flowers sprouted... But in the breeze, they produced a horrible screach, like that of the angels Zebus had mutilated, warning mortals off.
Just want to make sure i didn't miss something. Or are they indeed the same thing?
I think i am going to need the story recap to keep track of the last two days events, especially landmarks created (Maybe a basic world map should be created to show their positions relative to each other?)
Glad to have AP again, Could end up spending it within my first day as i know what i want to do.
Gonna have to get used to 4AP a week now, seeing as i spent a weeks worth on creating winter. XD
I've got a pretty busy day today, so I probably won't get to the story until tonight. As for a map... heh... yeah, not too sure what to do about that quite yet, given we're not sure what the world really looks like yet
Also, since Leaf is male (or, at least, that's how he's been described), and he's handling the sword, does that mean that he's man-handling the sword, too? :P
EDIT: Topheh, perhaps it would be useful if everyone just listed here what landmarks they've created, and where, so you don't have to search through the IC thread to find all that stuff?
@Thought - I would find it pleasingly ironic if Humans were the creation of the demigod of Vanity!
I think there was talk about making humans from angels. I like that, and so might include that as well. Also, since guardian angels have two souls, we could say that most of them have a "male" and "female" pair inside of them (with some having two male souls, or two female souls, or other combinations). Split them, and poof, sexual attraction!
Thoughts?
By the way, I have some plans to make a huge cavern system, for that to be possible there are many things that will be needed to be done. This will include the need to get rid of excess amounts of earth and stone. I planned to do this through the usage of Volcanoes...is that permissable? And if how much would it cost? I had this idea of a whole mountain range that will be filled with caves and caverns?
@An admin: So i have been noticing that the gods are rather freely walking the world and interacting with their creations. As i was thinking about the invasion Azgo will launch, I began to wonder whether or not I would need to use the Create Avatar action or not. Would I? And if not, what is the purpose of the avatar action?
@Aldii: Sent you a pm with an evil, but simple, plan. Check it out and respond in kind.
..."window.parent.tinyMCE.get('post_content').onLoad.dispatch();" contenteditable="true" />@An admin: So i have been noticing that the gods are rather freely walking the world and interacting with their creations. As i was thinking about the invasion Azgo will launch, I began to wonder whether or not I would need to use the Create Avatar action or not. Would I? And if not, what is the purpose of the avatar action?
First: Not an admin.
Second: It'd depend entirely on the kind of invasion you intended to launch.
I've always been a little hazy about Avatars.
From a D&D perspective, I think gods are generally supposed to be more amorphous than our characters are, with Avatars being localized, focused points of attention. An avatar is sort of like an exarch, for the purposes of the game, but one that has a similar personality to its creator.
Technically, since Angels were created to interact with gods, they should have been exarchs or artifacts or something like that. As an actual populace, gods shouldn't be able to interact with them, or vice versa. However, I must say, I really like how things have developed, so I'm glad that the rules weren't followed.
@Forgotten: Eh... its always been unclear to me as well, but the general idea is that if you want to do something akin to what the Gods were doing at the Trojan War (AKA, going down to earth and killing things left and right) then you should become an avatar. If you are having random, small-scale interactions with peoples (say, what you were doing with those four angels)... thats... fine.
@Aldii: Sounds like a "2 AP: Create Mountain Range With Caves In It" action to me
My sister is in the hospital right now (everything is fine) so... might not get as much done today as I wanted to, in terms of story summarization and map-making. You are all warned.
I'm about to acquire the Primal Spirits domain and I'd like to ask an admin what categoryvit fits into, I'm imagining Moderate or Lesser.
Also, Sorry if this messes up the timeline and i assumed that actions in the world take place in the order written with a little overlap, But i would like my next post to take place around the same time of TASOE's ascension.
Yes, Thought, there was talk of humans comng from angels last night. I was planning it just last night but got distracted.
Ah, well this should teach you to never tell me something when I'm not paying attention, as I wont remember the details and just remember that I liked the idea. Also, it should teach you that the Ancient Spirits of Evil are generous and are willing to take back their action.
Or, perhaps, since it sounds like you and Leaf are heading towards the crown (at least, I think Pruinus is in the northern part of the crown), I could spend less AP, Marcus could stop by and fix things (like making humans more than just mindless worshippers of Artun's bad innuendos), "completing" them, and getting Sa and Artun out into the larger world.
EDIT: Also, sorry if Artun is starting to sound a little like Gildroy Lockheart. The similarity wasn't intended, but I think he's moving in that direction. Hopefully there are no awards for the best divine smile.
Sorry, but i have another question. Mass invasion, would that be a Command Populace: Craterspawn action or a Harm Populace: (Whatever is on the planet action) or Multiple Harm actions?
I was leaning towards command, since it is commanding once race, but at the same time, the invasion is not for the benefit of the Craterspawn as it is for the harm against...everybody mortal.
Edit: Also, I'm sending a Agni'Vohda to talk with your fallen angels, Forgotten. Should have it up tonight.
1) would you be willing to either have Artun "steal" an AP from you at some point (or, willingly give him one for nefarious purposes)
2) any ideas what the not-evil guys would do with said artifact when they get their hands on it?
For #2, I noticed that people had commented that the world is a bit barren of life. Perhaps the artifact could be used as a genesis device, populating the world with diverse life (no offense, Pen, but you haven't created much, yet, and the entire world probably needs a crapton of AP to populate it, anywho). Just one idea, though.
So come on by!
Oh, its definitely a command. The harms come later!
So i would have to spend both in order for there to be any effect of the invasion itself?
Edit: Also, I'm sending a Agni'Vohda to talk with your fallen angels, Forgotten. Should have it up tonight.
That...is certainly a wrench in my plans. I was hoping to stay hidden until D-Day. I am willing to bend of course.
@Thought: I would be willing for Azgo to "lose" an AP since he would never willingly give it to a living embodient of his former glory. But first, it would have to be after the invasion (I get the feeling that all of my AP will be going into that). And second, it will probably infuriate him and he may focus-fire so to speak on Artun. In fact, once Azgo sees Artun, he will probably have the most reason to kill him...
Oh, its definitely a command. The harms come later!
Edit: Also, I'm sending a Agni'Vohda to talk with your fallen angels, Forgotten. Should have it up tonight.
Do you mean ff6shadow's angels, perhaps?
But sadly, I have my hands tied up with AP right now. Invasions are expensive...
Joran, in case you didn't see, I had been planning on artifact-ing the sword: is that something you'd like? If so, is there any particular stats or name you'd like it to have?
Also, since Leaf is male (or, at least, that's how he's been described), and he's handling the sword, does that mean that he's man-handling the sword, too? :P
EDIT: Topheh, perhaps it would be useful if everyone just listed here what landmarks they've created, and where, so you don't have to search through the IC thread to find all that stuff?
Lol, depends on your definition of man-handling. I particularly don't care if you artifice the sword. Right now I am just using it as a (limited) interaction device so I'm not completely out of the game for a long period of time.
@Raven: Well, I was *watching* from... several hundred miles away, but... err... okay.
@Forgotten: Its just one... you are welcome to kill it if you really want to... but it might be more interesting not to... just saying.
Also, what I meant is that the command initiates the war, then some fighting-posts happen, and then we all (the combatants) sit down and decide on the results based on what would be cool for the story as well as what... well, makes sense. And then we distribute 'free' harms and 'free' nourishes as appropriate. Harms are... less... war-ey. A Harm: I'm going to go poison your freshwater spring and kill thousands of you.
@Doggy: Looks like you have your ascension. Welcome! (Incidentally, if you are ascending a player, you don't need admin approval. Its only if you want to self-ascend that this comes into play)
I'd rather wait for the other half of my ascension team to take their action in regards to it. It's easier than trying to insert an action that was supposed to take place before afterwards.
Done!
Also, please do state that is not okay to use the custom rules with The Primal Spirits domain, a few extra conditions were added onto it to make it a bit more flavourful, but if this interrupts the flow of gameplay I will gladly remove the rules.
EDIT: The actions have been logged! Just wondering, is the spreadsheet google doc edited by admins only or is it all our responsability, as I am unable to edit it in any way.
Hey Crimson, am I reading that right, is Onus looking at Artun?
Yes, Onus was looking at Artun and sees him as a large rock-person.
EDIT: The actions have been logged!
Dwahuh? *goes to look at second post* Oh... I should start doing that.
Added my latest post to the IC thread. I am hoping that I can spend 1 AP to create landforms of multiple types.
Also, please do state that is not okay to use the custom rules with The Primal Spirits domain, a few extra conditions were added onto it to make it a bit more flavourful, but if this interrupts the flow of gameplay I will gladly remove the rules.
EDIT: The actions have been logged! Just wondering, is the spreadsheet google doc edited by admins only or is it all our responsability, as I am unable to edit it in any way.
Sadly, 1 AP isn't going to work, mostly because they are two *different* types of actions you are trying to combine, namely a command (for the lakes) and a nourish (for the forest).
Domain looks great. Like the special rules.
Also... good point on the google doc. Its unlocked now.
Allright, 2 AP it is.
That's this week's supply gone! :D
Also... who is around right now waiting to be ascended/self-ascend so we can prioritize you?
Heh. I'm about to join you. Gotta do some... cosmetic changes... to the landscape myself.
Also... who is around right now waiting to be ascended/self-ascend so we can prioritize you?
Not yet Ascended:
Khan_the_Destroyer: Kuranath, God of Orcs, Tactics, & Courage.
PinkPonyPrincess: Umbra, God of Darkness
Rimmon: Altruis, God of Undeath
Krika: Karak, God of Corruption
I've seen Rimmon around the chat, but I don't know if the others are still following this thread. Though if they are, they should pipe up!
@Topheh, for the expenditure list, I'll be adding all the stuff I missed, but it might take a while.
@Map Making: So, to my knowledge, there's the central area where a lot of action has taken place. There is a circle of mountains around that (greated by Onus, I think), which are peaked with ice/glaciers (by Pruinus), a river and general plantlife (by Marcus), and the Twilight Garden/deathbloom flowers (created by Leaf). On the northern slope is Pruinus' hall, I think. And, of course, a meadow to the south, savanna to the east, forest ot the north, and badlands to the west (that is, default nothing)
Beyond that, there's a volcano to the... somewhere. And another mountain chain to the some direction from that. Then there's the crater-basty area somewhere that's hidden from the gods. And an ocean. presumably close to the shore, wherever that is. Oh, and an underground, I think?
Guadian angels would be wherever there's life (with a higher concentration around Agni and Pruinus, and, when he returns, Zebus). I'd assume death angels will be likewise, but for the opposite reasons. Humans I think are just in the crown? The other two polulaces with names I can't pronounce are... um... elsewhere. And the craterspawn are in the hidden crater. Yay!
Hopefully others can help refine the image of what's where, since my knowledge is gap-y.
@Topheh, try this on for a summary:
Before time and thought and memory there was the ancient progenitor. In him all was balanced, and he was impotent, unable to act. With strange aeons, this one crumbled and died, producing the barren world and the first four gods, Zebus, Agni, Leaf, and Pruinus.
Zebus and Agni were first born, but Leaf demanded mastery over all. Agni yeilded, thinking it a joke, and a misunderstanding between Leaf and Pruinus made the little god think she had as well. But Zebus refused, claiming death was equal to life. Leaf would have left him to his own designs, though Agni checked the little god's anger. Zebus refused a second time, meddling with life in the process, and Leaf cast him out. He created the guardian angels, to protect life from Zebus' thieving ways. Pruinus sought to turn little Leaf's anger aside, but Zebus meddled again in life, giving guardian angels faces and free will. The first expression of their new will was to execute the god for his transgressions.
During this time a fifth god arose, Onus, master of stone, who created the mountain range called the Crown, which Pruinus decked with glaciers. Unbeknownst to all, a sixth god also came into being, Azgo, who's twisted form made him angry against everything. He twisted guardian angels into foul mockeries.
The Four-Now-Three parted ways. Agni went east, Pruinus north where she created a hall in the memory of the gods, and Leaf remained for a moment, to create a garden to commemorate his fallen brother, vow to honor him, and to secure his sword and essence against usurpers. With those in place, Leaf headed west. Sa, lord of promises, awoke from the committment Leaf made there.
Marcus, god of order, also awoke, I guess, and did stuff. Moving on.
As the prime gods left, they pulled against the universe, causing an atom at the center to split, producing TASOE in a large explosion. The Ancient Spirits of Evil quickly constructed Artun, god of vanity, to hide behind. Sa convinced Artun to turn angels into humans, and the flower god provided sustinence for them.
What will happen next? Find out next time on Lords of Creation Ball Z!
But it might be good for others to add or adjust: I didn't catch everything (like Marcus, I had a hard time remembering the circumstances of his birth or where it was he made that river and fertile valley).
Posting soon...
loc-central.wikia.com/wiki/CW:_Game_Hist... now has the game history. As Thought said, please modify it as you want. Whoever writes it up first will, of course, bias it towards what they remember/find interesting, so its only if we *all* contribute that we'll get a truly accurate accounting.
Oh good. Glad to know you're not going to kill the poor defenseless thing with a name
Psh. Things with names become much harder to kill than nameless redshirts!
Remind me, do all newborn gods start with 7 AP, or was that just for the initial week? I ask because there's a few things that I want to happen in association with Umbra's introduction that would be costly in AP.
Pen_Draggin your thing with the ecosystems was probably my favorite post in the game so far. I loved that. I'm also intrigued with cats being able to see the unseeable; that has potential for my god to play with.
I've been following, and waiting to be ascended.
Remind me, do all newborn gods start with 7 AP, or was that just for the initial week? I ask because there's a few things that I want to happen in association with Umbra's introduction that would be costly in AP.
Pen_Draggin your thing with the ecosystems was probably my favorite post in the game so far. I loved that. I'm also intrigued with cats being able to see the unseeable; that has potential for my god to play with.
All new gods start with 7.
Thread just ate my post. have to start over
Pinky, since there's a god of light, this seems like a perfect time to ascend darkness. Do you have any particular request for how you ascend? TASOE has an extra AP, and it has your name all over it.
You lost me.
I sure feel sorry for Artun. He's really a victim of his creators.
EDIT: Hopefully that's a little clearer.
I'll admit, Topheh, my original plan was to stick with my exact words and corrupt him into a fire/smoke/miasma exarch. But the smiley face convinced me otherwise, tempting as it might have been.
This was different than everything else, for most everything else was quite flat and, plainly put, Boring.
And i will take this as a stealth compliment, intended or not...
its Scorch...
(awkward pause)
(yeah, caught that. Almost named him singe, and apparently that is what is sticking in my head...)
In case you didn't, here it is in a spoiler block. Its not that it needs to remain secretive. I just think that it would be a better few posts if it wasn't public news...
Plan
If you have been reading my posts lately, you know that Azgo is set to invade the world either late this week or next week.
He would like to be fairly prepared for that event, and I was thinking about how i used Zebus' form to decieve the angels. Then it hit me. What do you think about me using Agni's form and commission you to make a chestplate/armor fit for a god and then stole it away without suspicion? I would pay for the artifact cost, of course.
It would require you to be tricked, and some players are not okay with being tricked. I understand if you don't want to do that.
He would like to be fairly prepared for that event, and I was thinking about how i used Zebus' form to decieve the angels. Then it hit me. What do you think about me using Agni's form and commission you to make a chestplate/armor fit for a god and then stole it away without suspicion? I would pay for the artifact cost, of course.
It would require you to be tricked, and some players are not okay with being tricked. I understand if you don't want to do that.
EDIT: Also just realized that at the moment, we have a fairly mountain filled world. Not gonna tell anyone what they need to do, but perhaps we should ease on the mountains for a while eh? :P
EDIT: Also just realized that at the moment, we have a fairly mountain filled world. Not gonna tell anyone what they need to do, but perhaps we should ease on the mountains for a while eh? :P
Sure. As soon as I ascend, I'll smash some giant holes in the ground.
And the bits that aren't smashed?
They'll effectively be EVEN MORE MOUNTAINS.
BUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
EDIT: Also just realized that at the moment, we have a fairly mountain filled world. Not gonna tell anyone what they need to do, but perhaps we should ease on the mountains for a while eh? :P
Sure. As soon as I ascend, I'll smash some giant holes in the ground.
And the bits that aren't smashed?
They'll effectively be EVEN MORE MOUNTAINS.
BUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
NUUUUUUUUU!!!!! D:
Pen_Draggin your thing with the ecosystems was probably my favorite post in the game so far. I loved that. I'm also intrigued with cats being able to see the unseeable; that has potential for my god to play with.
Thanks!
As for the cats, I wish I could take credit for that, but I actually got it from the Sandman Comics (and from the context, I got the impression they got it from folklore). If you've had a cat, you've probably noticed at various points it will pounce on nothing in particular, or stare at a blank wall, etc. The idea is that they're actually reacting to things people just can't see.
EDIT: Thanks Thought. I like it!
Let us make ourselves a nice Switzerland world! : D Filled with mountains of joy!
*has indeed been looking for Joran*
*agrees with Shadow*
More generally, TASOE is going to be being, well, true to his name, and temporarially imprisoning my God. Hopefully this will lead to fun RP as everyone else tries to save me. (Please save me.)
(Please save me.)
No no no, its ok guys Agni's got this.
Speaking of, what are your current ascension plans? You and Krika appear to be the last two (as we haven't seen Khan for quite a while) and I'd like to get both of you playing soon(ish)
Okay, before I post: what exactly is happening to Agni?
Well, since Agni put his hot stuff in TASOE's dank secret god-grotto... ...
I mean, now that Agni is inside of TASOE... ...
Wow, I didn't think that one out.
Anywho, what Topheh said. Although, I am hoping to imprisson at least one more god before being defeated. I had been planning on Leaf, but now that he's not alone, I might be looking for someone else. Any volunteers? I promise that it wont be as awkward to describe as Topheh's god.
...
Okay, I can't promise that.
@James, just as an FYI, that forest isn't really there. I never spent the AP on it, at least. I've come to like the idea, however, of Leaf's home being a barren wasteland because he's always off elsewhere, making everywhere else nicer. The forest itself will probably eventually be a differnet plane, one that can occasionally be accessed by mortals traveling through the badlands, but that isn't really there.
The ancient spirits of evil.
Wow, just got that.
I'm never going to play again, am I? :D
Quick question about avatars. I know there has been some confusion about them in here before, so I hope someone has the answer to this: If I create an Avatar, would that mean that Onus could be in two places at once? One place as a God, and a second place in his avatar form?
Avatar form...
Agni... Kai...
"earth benders"...
I'm seem to keep coming back to this theme...
Speaking of, what are your current ascension plans?
Well I was speaking with Joran but since he has been busy lately things have been put hold, but I am working on it.
@James: You know what would be an intersting development? What if you found and rescued Scorch?
By the way, if you do explore the Godcrater, the craterspawn will attack you if they notice you.
EDIT: If you could ask what my name is, i would appreciate that. I am getting tired of using Azazel/Go'El and forcing a self-realization moment feels unnatural compared to an outward source.
@Aldii: Thank you kindly. Hmm....
Nah, I give you the artifact free of charge this time.
What about a repeat customer discount?
@Pen (and everyone), sorry for the delays in responding, been sick and not exactly with it.
This week ended on some pretty intense moments, Agni being imprisoned and our first "Real" battle (As AP has been spent on it) as Azgo and Pruinus are about to face each other in battle, both wielding powerful artifacts.
So yeah... this is getting intense. :D
@James and Forgotten: expect some fun to happen with this battle!
Reset will happen this afternoon (PST). You have been warned!
GAH!!! I knew I should've spent my last two AP last night in my post. Kids burned my morning, so now I'm late and missed those. Ah, well, keep moving forward, I'd say.
No one has answered my question about avatars yet either. I will assume that having an avatar gives me a second "body" and allows me to be in two places at once, until someone tells me otherwise.
Though, without that extra 2AP to spend, I think I will wait for my post until tomorrow, when I will have a bit more time to put into it.
Avatar: Is considered a mortal representation of you. Basically its you in mortal form. Just like you can't be in two places at once(in most cases), neither can your god. You are your avatar, and your avatar is you.
Crimson: Its been hashed and browned.
Avatar: Is considered a mortal representation of you. Basically its you in mortal form. Just like you can't be in two places at once(in most cases), neither can your god. You are your avatar, and your avatar is you.
So we're back to there being no real benefit for avatar? This just makes Exarchs way better at a cheaper cost. They may not be as powerful, but they give you influence in areas where you are not physically present... Just seems like a waste to have avatar up there for so great a cost.
@Rimmon: Haven't you been feeling that for the past few days?
Nope.
Crimson: Its been hashed and browned.
Avatar: Is considered a mortal representation of you. Basically its you in mortal form. Just like you can't be in two places at once(in most cases), neither can your god. You are your avatar, and your avatar is you.
So we're back to there being no real benefit for avatar? This just makes Exarchs way better at a cheaper cost. They may not be as powerful, but they give you influence in areas where you are not physically present... Just seems like a waste to have avatar up there for so great a cost.
There was actually quite a bit of... division as to the point of an Avatar between us, actually. The one thing we all agreed on was that an avatar is you and you are your avatar. No splitting yourself up into infinite copies (although temporary duplications *have* happened before and we'd be more than willing to entertain the idea).
With that in place, what, then, *is* the point of an Avatar? Mechanically, we were divided. Some of us thought that there was absolutely NO point to having an Avatar, as it was just an overpriced exarch... without the added playability of the Exarch. Others of us held that it actually wasn't appropriate for Gods and Mortals to be speaking with one another, and the proper way to speak to mortals was through an avatar.
Roleplaywise, there are many possible reasons to want an avatar: Easier to talk to mortals if you are a mortal too, sometimes, etc... and if you want to go the route of NO INTERACTIONS are possible between your god and mortals, you are welcome to do that.
Mechanically, we've come up with the following benefit: If you are an avatar, you are 'invisible' to other Gods (rather, you look like any other mortal, assuming you don't draw a ton of attention to yourself). Usually, we allow Gods to sense when other Gods are approaching... but your avatar doesn't do this. This means such things as being able to (for instance) break an Abjure action without, potentially, getting into conflict with the Abjuring God. Alternately, it allows you to do some pretty nasty things to a civilization but without implicating your God (within reason... if you march in and declare 'I AM ONUS COME TO EARTH' and start cutting people's heads off, well... that might somehow get back to you). This is something that Exarchs... can't do.
The Avatar action has been used very rarely in this game. I can probably count it on one hand. We still offer it as an option, however, due to the RP elements behind it.
On another note, go ahead and spend that 2 AP from last week you wanted to spend... just... do it quickly, mmm?
Sorry for the flavorless and boring creation of The Shadow and its inhabitants. I was really planning on having it happen during an interesting conversation with TASOE while Umbra took them on a tour of the Shadow, but now I just needed to spend those AP before the week ended.
There was actually quite a bit of... division as to the point of an Avatar between us, actually. The one thing we all agreed on was that an avatar is you and you are your avatar. No splitting yourself up into infinite copies (although temporary duplications *have* happened before and we'd be more than willing to entertain the idea).
With that in place, what, then, *is* the point of an Avatar? Mechanically, we were divided. Some of us thought that there was absolutely NO point to having an Avatar, as it was just an overpriced exarch... without the added playability of the Exarch. Others of us held that it actually wasn't appropriate for Gods and Mortals to be speaking with one another, and the proper way to speak to mortals was through an avatar.
Roleplaywise, there are many possible reasons to want an avatar: Easier to talk to mortals if you are a mortal too, sometimes, etc... and if you want to go the route of NO INTERACTIONS are possible between your god and mortals, you are welcome to do that.
Mechanically, we've come up with the following benefit: If you are an avatar, you are 'invisible' to other Gods (rather, you look like any other mortal, assuming you don't draw a ton of attention to yourself). Usually, we allow Gods to sense when other Gods are approaching... but your avatar doesn't do this. This means such things as being able to (for instance) break an Abjure action without, potentially, getting into conflict with the Abjuring God. Alternately, it allows you to do some pretty nasty things to a civilization but without implicating your God (within reason... if you march in and declare 'I AM ONUS COME TO EARTH' and start cutting people's heads off, well... that might somehow get back to you). This is something that Exarchs... can't do.
The Avatar action has been used very rarely in this game. I can probably count it on one hand. We still offer it as an option, however, due to the RP elements behind it.
On another note, go ahead and spend that 2 AP from last week you wanted to spend... just... do it quickly, mmm?
Well, That makes me feel significantly less omnipotent. But at least it has a decent effect. If you do buy the avatar, is it then assumed you can swap between avatar and normal status without further expenditure of AP?
Also, I thank you for the opportunity to use the AP, but I will take it as a lesson learned for going forward. I will make sure my AP is spent by Saturday now. I'd rather not be the one that gets exceptions made for them. Appologies if I made it seem that way.
Then again, this fight is techinically two-on-one so.... We'll see what happens!
Edit: This is somewhat @Topheh
I don't intend for Winter to last entire turns, but rather 3 days of real life time. A lot can still be affected by Winter in that time. I'll probbaly call Winter around slightly more often then once a month, maybe every 25 Days. So this winter will last until the 13th, and I'll call the next one on the 5th. Keep in mind these dates are the intended averages, the time winter comes and its length may vary.
Also, athough it was intended In-game that Winter come every few years for a few weeks, I'm pretty sure if we analyzed how much time we say is passing then Winter is more of a re-occuring Ice Age then a season, so I'll keep the amount of time Winter lasts in-game as vague.
Well, That makes me feel significantly less omnipotent. But at least it has a decent effect. If you do buy the avatar, is it then assumed you can swap between avatar and normal status without further expenditure of AP?
Also, I thank you for the opportunity to use the AP, but I will take it as a lesson learned for going forward. I will make sure my AP is spent by Saturday now. I'd rather not be the one that gets exceptions made for them. Appologies if I made it seem that way.
Right. If you have the avatar and its not killed off for some reason, you're free to switch back and forth at will.
As for the AP, honestly, you wouldn't be the exception. We usually ...
Actually, in fact. New Rule. You have to spend your previous week's AP by 11:59 PM Sunday Night. The Reset might happen earlier than that, but your old AP doesn't dissapear until the day itself is done. Yes, this potentially means that for a few hours you might have double AP.
Edit: This is somewhat @Topheh
I don't intend for Winter to last entire turns, but rather 3 days of real life time. A lot can still be affected by Winter in that time. I'll probbaly call Winter around slightly more often then once a month, maybe every 25 Days. So this winter will last until the 13th, and I'll call the next one on the 5th. Keep in mind these dates are the intended averages, the time winter comes and its length may vary.
Also, athough it was intended In-game that Winter come every few years for a few weeks, I'm pretty sure if we analyzed how much time we say is passing then Winter is more of a re-occuring Ice Age then a season, so I'll keep the amount of time Winter lasts in-game as vague.
mmm... Sure. Was mostly trying to make sure that everyone noticed that it was winter and they should pay attention. (As apparently turning the sun off IC doesn't get people's attention
)Dang, what happened to Thought? I wanted to spend my AP while talking to TASOE
Terribly sorry. Alas, as noted last week, I've been sick. Currently at the "sleep most the day" stage.
@Topheh, question: if the benefit of an avatar is so slight, and not every particularly solid at that, is there any reason (beyond tradition) not to make it a 3AP action? At best it seems to be on par with an exarch, if not slightly lamer.
Someone would dare harm one of his sibblings? One of the first gods? A god under his protection?
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
(wipes tear from eye)
Ah, the irony. If only Leaf knew, or Azgo for that matter...
@James, could you please post? Or at least find someone to help you post! I'm stuck frozen in time and to your..........wonderful hands! xD
As for now, I've made a list of possible Wiki pages to be created,the ones in bold are pages already created, but could possibly need more work (In a sense everything belongs here right now) the ones in blue being the ones I plan to do quite a bit of work on myself as I am fairly knowledgeable on the topic at hand.
Gods
Zebus
Agni
Marcus
Leaf
Pruinus
Onus
Azgo
Sa
Yr
Tasoe
Thereus
Urru
Umbra
Exarchs
Artun
Cumbrous
Avatars
Pharos
Locations
The Crown
The Earth Motes
The Godcrater
The Halls Of Creation
Twilight Garden
Eternal Volcano
Southern Mountains
Artifacts
The Apostate's Bane
The Reaping Sword
The Beacon
Planes
The "Normal" Plane
The Great Beyond (The After Life)
The Shadow
The Moon
Heroic Races (Races that are available as Player Characters within the setting)
Galeb Duhr
Humans
Agni'Vohda
Luminaries (Not sure if this counts as it's own race, but here's the best place to put it I can think of)
Monster Races (To an extent, all Heroic races have some presence here as most likely a few hostile, statted "monsters" will come from each race.)
Guardian Angels
Craterspawn
Angels Of Death
Shadows
People
It
Koga
Scorch
Other
Winter (Season)
Primal Spirits
Plants
Winter Berries
You'll notice a lot of pages are missing from the information here, as my method of collecting this information was to focus on the AP spend sections of players posts, So I could have missed important things which didn't cost any AP. I've only created pages for named things. Hopefully people will suggest more to add to this list, and we'll have a list to work on together to provide a fully fleshed out setting for Roleplayers.
Perhaps we can create a colour coded system for who will work on what pages, with shared pages being split like THIS to indicate a shared effort?
EDIT: Apologies if you feel I have placed something in the wrong category ( I have many doubts if entries in the Heroic Races and Monster Races are within the right category, or if they should be in the other category instead) message me and I'll re-arrange it for you.
EDIT2: Many of the gods who I said did not have pages in fact do, they just didn't appear in my search of the wiki, and most of them only have their name and number of entry to the game ("X is the Xth lord of creation" ETC)
The wiki is unfortunately vastly incomplete, though I blame the fact that generally only one or two people ever work on it. So I am thankful for all the help you can provide.
As a side note, to everyone, I happened to take a look at the general gods page: loc-central.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Gods
Nearly a hundred awesome gods to use for your campagin setting! Not too shabby. Of course, a lot of those pages really need more content, but hopefully some day...
@Thought: Yeah, like the 'one day' we actually publish something out of all this, mmm? :D
Second, I do hope other gods take notice of the suns flying all over the place and come investigate it. Or, failing that, hopefully they'll notice that life is withering and will come investigate it. :P
James, I love you.
And thats the most affection I'll be reiceving this Valentines.
Alllll BYYYY MYSEEEEEELLLFFFF <3
Also, I'm waiting for Forgotten to reply to my post before I reply again, after that Pruinus will come along and save the day.
Edit: @forgotten's post below:
I'll make those changes now then.
As a quick clarification, the armor is named "The Apostate's Bane", and my plane is called "The Godcrater". No letter s.
sGsosdsCsrsastsesrs, got it.
What? You want me to make Naga again? This is clearly how they would say 'God Crater.' Okay. Twist my arm, Thought.
@Raven I must've misinterpreted the size of stuff in the sky, so yes. Let's go with that.
Yeah, It was probably glossed over a little bit too much -- but basically, individual houses and fields got lifted up, and there's not really much empty space (On the other hand, there is a *ton* of them).
Well rimmon, you've exposed me rather forcefully! I was hoping to hide a little longer, but now I recommend running! :P
Don't forget now, Pruinus is about to be affected by the "overflow" of energies from my rising, and so are you, so tell me Joran.... what does Death fear? :D
Don't forget now, Pruinus is about to be affected by the "overflow" of energies from my rising, and so are you, so tell me Joran.... what does Death fear? :D
Angels, I'm told...
And being stuck inside of a sword while being "manhandled".
I'm assuming that you don't want to be eaten by TASOE as well, right? In which case, hopefully the Avenging gods will assemble very very quickly, and hopefully Onus' nickname isn't Agent Coulson ;)
Very well then tell me this Joran. How do you plan to kill that which is Undeath itself? And hahaha @Forgotten
That is not dead which can eternal lie, and with strange aeons even death may die.
Well, I gues they aren't really that strange, since Death already killed himself once. Maybe he'll make a hobby of it.
@Rimmon: Who says I'm out to kill undeath? Death might not even be capable of doing so, but I am certain that someone will find a way!
@Thought
Nice quote, the only reason I know it, is from South Park haha. Except that says even death may die, but I'm undeath :p
Im truly glad to be playing finally though. And don't mistake me here this is just overflow of his rising he didn't intentionally strike fear into all of them it just happened. He is actually quite neutral when it comes to the world and what other gods do with it. As long as he gets his souls....
A question for you. Would TASOE like to be a new Sun for the world? Three reasons:
1) As you told me earlier, The Goo BURNS, and burns for a long time once ignited.
2) I love the idea that the original sun is now split up and buried all around the planet. It would be a shame to resolve that too quickly as either a) we all live in a twilight world for a long time until the mortals get their acts together and search out each sun and toss them back into the heavens (assuming they don't die from lack of crops by then) or b) the Gods step in and do it for them, which is kinda anticlimactic. Having a new 'sun' in the sky allows for a) to happen without the downsides and gives the old Suns... a reason to, potentially, NOT be returned to the heavens.
3) If Yr, who is meant to be your opposite has a portal to her self-plane that exists through the Moon, it would be a pleasant balance to have the portal to your self-plane exist in the Sun.
Thoughts? Otherwise I'll just stick to other ideas and not... manhandle you.
Topheh, sounds good.
Sorry for all the trouble.
Fun. Now I need to figure out how and/or if I get to defend myself.
@Shadow: Push the shell, climb the shell
@Crimson: Your rending of the earth, while awesome, is probably a 1 AP action as you are creating a landmark. But, I repeat, that was an awesome post.
@Thought: I wasn't sure how easy it should be, so I was just writing. No worries if you wish to foil my attempts. Since Agni's been absorbed for so long, I was trying to hurry his release. Let the battle comense!
@Thought: I am posting regarding my freedom now. If only the undergrads would stop interrupting me :D
How fun.
Crimson, Shadow, Pen, James: Do any of you want to get in some beatdown on evil? Sure, a body of his is in the sky, but the second rule of video games is that the final boss often has a third form as well! But if you're all satisifed, I'm happy to call it a day, too.
Topheh, you had said that you wanted to borrow Artun. Is that still the case? Cause as it stands, we have a god of darkness and a god of vanity inside the "sun."
Also, as... you are very right and I got excited and upended everyone else... I'm going to retract my post until later tonight. Duel it on out, folks
Just pretend like Onus' post happens before Agni's!
*takes his out and puts it back, thereby restoring the proper flow*
@#$*@#$!!!!!!!!!
Also, sorry to see you go, PinkPony, but I understand. Hope to see you again!
TASOE: 0
TPAF (Team Pruinus And Friends): 1
Is everything okay?
Also, sorry to see you go, PinkPony, but I understand. Hope to see you again!
Tried to post. It hit back instead.
You know what, I think I need to switch to chrome. I seem to remember that browser caching the text of wotc forum posts.
But hopefully people enjoyed that. If you hated it, let me know so I can avoid doing something else you'd hate in the future. Or if you were indifferent, let me know, too, so I can try to catch you up in things more next time.
Speaking of which, anyone feel the need for a nemesis? Or perhaps nemeses?
Now please excuse me while I bash my head against the wall some more.
Agni
Agni'Vohda
Scorch
Eternal Volcano
on the wiki.
Forgotten, just checking... are the Craterspawn attacking the Agni'Vohda as well?
Not that it will succeed, but still.
@Raven: In the end i pretty much want Primal magic to function the same as 4E or whatever system this setting is intended for, and the flavour itself is subject to change. But the primal spirits fuelling the spells is something I'm pretty adamant about, as if they provided mana then it'd just be the same as the arcane classes, and the reason Primal Classes exist is to protect themselves by lending their power to mortals. Primal spells are merely the spirits being guided to produce effects such as lightning, fire, entangling roots, Cold winds, Swarms of insects ETC
Emphasis mine. That's pretty much how I wrote it up on the wiki. Essentially, primal casters ask for power, and the spirits provide it.
And with that, aside from our God of Orcs (who has vanished), we're all ascended... which means we need to start getting more new players.
Historically, we've never had much success just waiting for them to show up, though. What thoughts do people have for trying to recruit new players?
That said, I'd like maybe 3 or 4 more players and If i think of a way to recruit em, I'll let you know.
Sadly people have a tendancy to leave more than we get to come in, that's why the recruitment. And all things considered, have you ever counted all the gods in forgotten realms/living greyhawk/ dragonlance/*insert d&d world here*? The count isn't exactly small.
The alternative would be to focus on keeping players engaged, rather than recover from the turnover.
I agree with James that 40 gods... is a lot of gods. But not all of those Gods played at the same time, of course... AR we maintained about 10-ish players playing at a time, but Gods appeared and dissapeared... and about ten of those had a single post and then we never heard from them again :D Thats the idea of recruitment... I don't want to get hundreds of new players... but I would like to figure out a way to have new players come at roughly a rate that current players drop out. If we reduce the rate in which players leave... then that works too!
Hey Thought! Wait up a second!
You seemed to drop something back at your post. Try not to forget it!
Jeez. Agni's track record for 'saving people from death' is 0 for 2 now. He sucks.
To explain a bit more, this made sense for the story. Marcus took absolutely everything Evil had to throw. In Thoughts words, 'Destruction rained from the heavens' and Marcus purposely redirected everything at his own face to prevent that. It made no sense for him to simply be able to survive it, and I think we can all agree that a little magma cauterization wasn't likely to help.
And so, Order is dead. He's now in the after-life, however Joran decides to deal with that. He's effectively been removed fromn the game, and I hope it serves as a remnder that losing doesn't mean you walk away with a bloody lip.
At the same time, losing and dying doesn't mean you are out of the game. And while he may be dead, death is hardly permanent. There may be a way to bring him back. Until such a time, my new exarch will be treated as my god for all intents and purposes, which has been cleared by Toph (I abstained from making the decision myself).
Marcus himself, on the otherhand, is essentially a non-AP wielding NPC that Joran will be using for something. (I didn't ask for much details)
Just saying.But at the end of the day, "It" is just a non-exarch with a common sword that has a bit of history behind it.
To note, since you had expressed concern over the angelic powers of restoration, I went ahead and up'ed that from fluff to divine magic. But as before, this isn't a perfect rate of restoration. In game, this would be a rather costly spell, and probably involve a roll against the original caster's level (and generally overcoming effects created by gods has a very high DC).
Well, looks like Agni isn't going to find out about the Craterspawn invasion. Good luck, mortals!
Can you teach someone else to do it? Then it Is magic. Is it some innate ability like an angel s restoration? Then it's supernatural, not Magic. Fireball spell? It s Magic. Dragon's fire breath? Supernatural.
So my 2 cents I'd that you can spend the ap to increase the restorative ability of the angels, but since they aren't a playable race, it doesn't make sense to teach them a group of classes.
However, the scourging of the shire-I-mean-west still happened.
Speaking of which, Topheh, there look like there are still a lot of trees in the west. They've-a-been scourged with fire and twisting earth. The west is lifeless. Imagine badlands so horrible that they make Utah look like the promised land. The west is like that :P
If I have missed it, could someone point it out to me and change the first page?
So, questions:
Is creating an Exarch 2 or 3 AP? I know that there might be fluff around some of its power coming from a different source, but if that were taken to its logical conclusion it would mean I could create 4 exarchs for 1 AP a piece and let the inherent corruption of the Godcrater do the rest.
Are we exchanging teaching one class for 1 AP for a blanket class source for 1 AP? If so, I would like to retract my earlier AP spent on giving the Craterspawn a sinlge class to give them all Martial classes.
And finally, how often/under what circumstances can projects be split into different AP chunks to be handled next week such as Zebus' sword?
I am now thoroughly confused. Please advise.
I don't mean to come across as strict; i just want some clarity.
but since they aren't a playable race, it doesn't make sense to teach them a group of classes.
I thought that it worked similarly to any other generic nourish action by giving them a set of skills and advanced combat techniques. It would work more like a beneficial template for monsters rather than a class.
James' action makes sense to me, but then, I'd read it more as a supernatural race of monsters, rather than a standard exarch. So its sort of a cross between a populate and create action. Angels are sort of that way, too.
Classes... well, yeah, it looks like each class is supposed to be one action. But then, teaching people to use, say, the divine power source makes sense as a single action as well. Should a powersource be taught then classes? Can classes be taught without a power source?
So, as I said, it's confusing just because it is actually very very confusing. Hopefully an admin will step in and clarify things a bit.
There's a reason why the rules change each game and they never work quite right :P
I understand Rimmon's objection to the restorative powers being so fluff-based, so I wanted to justify it a bit more. Sorry for doing it in a weird way.
Exarchs: I've been assuming that a 2 AP exarch is weaker than a 3 AP exarch... less functional or at least less battle-savvy. I'm not sure what a 1 AP Exarch would look like, though, so... best to avoid those, I would say. (Its like how we can have 1,2 and 3 (or even 4) AP civilizations representing different levels of strength (a nation of dragons is more powerful than a nation of... kobolds).
Teaching actions: I think all martial classes would be fine if you wanted that, as 'martial classes' is a fixed unit of things.
Saving AP: Doable, but should happen rarely. If its not in the first post... thats because I was an idiot and missed it. Let me fix that now.
@Thought. Yep. Never the same rules twice.
James, I'll let Pen weigh in, but to my understand, he's in Brother Branch Avatar form, and so under the radar. Seg's the only one in the world that looks like the Leaf we all know and are irked by. Hopefully talks absolutely nothing like him, though.
Actually... Seg's getting to be more quasi-British as I go along. Quite appropriate that he's called the tealord right now, I guess.
I think I was the only person to have ever used that action.
2AP exarchs might make good unique monsters. Like the Tarrasque, or the sort. Just a thought.
As far as saving AP goes, I agree with Topheh. It should happen very rarely and for very specific purposes, or because it was missed. Blatant abuse of this is highly recommended against (meaning you wont see me do something like that anytime in the future) and should be avoided if at all possible.
On the flip side of things, you can also create something then make it stronger.
Well, Toph, in the past, a 1ap "exarch" was a mortal hero.
I think I was the only person to have ever used that action.
I think you are right. Everyone else spent 0 AP on it. :D Regardless, I like 0 AP. Means we can introduce and kill them off with relative ease.
The line "Both pass through the shadows into the great beyond." seemed fairly 'I'm leaving' to me.
I'm not fully sure the way i introduced the primal classes to the world is acceptable, but i did it so that primal clssses actually have a place in this world and its lore. So far we still need to do Shadow and Psionic power sources if we want them to have an official place within our lore.
Working on it.
By the way, Crimson, thank you for doing something with Avarom. I was waiting for someone to interact with it. And now we have a likely candidate for human capitol of the Underdark! Or maybe not, we'll see.
Ergo, my next post. Time to even out this war a bit. This LoC is awesome.
Further suggestions re: Psionic Magic welcome.
If you are interested in having some relevantly-colored dragons... feel free.
Could we create one the color of ink? We could call it...
A Pen Dragon!
I'm so sorry, people. I couldn't help myself...
Maybe this edition can be known as Lords of Creation: Mobile Edition :D
and every drop a flame...
Hmmm... what to do?
On the one hand, this is a fairly climactic moment for the Agni'Vodha. And i would hate for this war to become a "i win" "No, I win" back and forth.
On the other, I would hate to go out with a whimper and a one post turn-around.
Or i could raise the stakes and players even further, knowing that defeat is inevitable regardless. And i have an idea, poetic in its own way.
I think i will go with door #3. Rimmon should be posting in an hour or so. And when he does, I will follow. The plan is set. And the die, cast.
If that is the case, I am calling yellow. Yellow dragons with luminescent eyes and a breath weapon that functions as a brilliant energy cone.
Fun stuff.
As for the dragons, I like that idea, even if we're starting to go a little 'Dragonlance-y' with the orbs now correpsonding to colors of dragons.
We have Suns in the following locations:
1) The Caldera. Red Fire Dragons, obviously.
2) The frozen north. White Winter Dragons.
3) Underwater. Gonna have to be blue, I guess.
4) Buried deep in a cave. Green Dragons, maybe?
5) In the Godcrater: Well, thats a good reason to have black dragons (acid)... plus, an equalizer to the fire dragons for Forgotten!
6) Buried beneath the earth in the west in the middle of devastation. (???)
7) Still hanging above the Crown. Not sure on this one either.
You mean i can't pick sky blue? It was going to match the curtains and everything...
I was actually thinking on creating Green/Black dragons from the Godcrater sun. One catch though. I don't really want them to be my servents/friends/minions. In fact, they would probably oppose me more than any other dragon color. Kind of a "fight your heritage" outlook.
I do like it though. Will share once I am finished.
I believe we have come up with a general rule for this game: "If something falls into a lake of X, it comes out different."
I heartily agree. But the question is, are we thinking of the same lake?
@Crimson: I see that Cumbrous has disappeared. I am not sure if you are planning something with Aldii, but if you want to bring him out of the shadows, Avarom may very well need him. It could make for a nice climax set-piece with him defending the sunken city from the Remorhaz brood. Merely a suggestion however.
Now if you excuse me, i have to run to the drugstore for a suppliment. I think the subtlety levels in my bloodstream are running dangerously low.
The coolest thing about this setting in my opinion is the different factions of angels and I'd love to create my own angel faction but i don't want Pruinus to do this intentionally so anyone with any suggestions to help Pruinus inadvertly create her own faction of angels are welcome.
I believe we have come up with a general rule for this game: "If something falls into a lake of X, it comes out different."
I heartily agree. But the question is, are we thinking of the same lake?
No, you don't understand. Its EVERY lake. Swimming in this world is a death sentence.
... I'd love to create my own angel faction but i don't want Pruinus to do this intentionally so anyone with any suggestions to help Pruinus inadvertly create her own faction of angels are welcome.
You've given yourself a way to do that inadvertently: the primal spirits. I wonder what would happen if those and angels mixed.
So... is he still *my* POV character at that battle, but now monstrous, or is he yours now?
I don't really feel like creating Dragons, so someone can steal the orb in "My" area to create their own species of Dragons. The coolest thing about this setting in my opinion is the different factions of angels and I'd love to create my own angel faction but i don't want Pruinus to do this intentionally so anyone with any suggestions to help Pruinus inadvertly create her own faction of angels are welcome.
I have a few ideas, James, but you need to let sa know you exist!
Forgotten: Err... yeah, I did. Wasn't quite expecting it to happen *this* quickly, though!
So... is he still *my* POV character at that battle, but now monstrous, or is he yours now?
...
I was waiting for your opinion. Whatever you decide. If you don't then i will, but it would be interesting either way.
And i see the Lake thing now. The word "a" is different from "the".
@Pen Draggin: Have to admit, not what i was expecting. My intention was to attack (foolishly) Brother Branch since you described him as wooden.
I guess brother branch is now sister splinter!
At first, I thought it was some sort of wooden mannequin that they were lighting on fire. Seemed a tad odd.
And i did not expect to win either.
You silly goose, we all know Koga uses the Poison type!
But seriously, i found your origins of psionic powers very interesting to read.
Once i've done playing mind games with Seg i'll introduce myself to Sa.
Sorry, was being facetious.
Yeah, he does that.
sGsosdsCsrsastsesrs, got it.
...
Same results, different path to get there.
Question: I may have missed this. Is there some sort of command structure to the Craterspawn, or are we just talking 'chaotic horde'?
As for a command stucture, i haven't said a word about it honestly. The craterspawn are very loosely organized. There are no generals or majors, but there are pack leaders of sorts. The craterspawn flocks are often, but not always, lead by one of the stronger and longer-lived members. The other craterspawn attack its targets and follow its lead.
But that is not set in stone, and the death of pack leaders for the flocks will not result in panic or another pack leader taking over a flock while it already has one. They might fight less effectively, but they will continue to fight untill they are d-e-a-d dead. Even when it would be wise to retreat. Only Azgo's call will bring them back willingly.
So... chaotic horde in a nutshell with localized leaders using cunning and numbers to attack localized targets.
I am planning on wrapping up the invasion on Sunday. There are still a few loose ends and battles to take place. So if you want to jump in or resolve one of those ends, by all means do. In fact, i really would like you to. But on Sunday i will have the horde broken and the invasion over even if there are still some minor battles going.
Don't want things to go stale now. And the end of our first month seems like a fitting time to do so.
Thought: Sorry, gotta call shenanigans on your God-Mountain Exarch. It killed a god, smacked another god to the ground and killed off half of a sentient race. Thats at *least* a 3 AP exarch, assuming you want it to have the same skillsets. 2 is just... criminally low
So why 2AP instead of 3AP? Well, it's more of an occasional use unique monster, rather than an actual exarch. There had been talk about that being what a 2AP exarch might be (though, no Admin weighed in, I think). But I'm happy to pay more. We don't have Spawn Supreme actions anymore, right?
But that would require more than just my approval methinks.
Oh, and Artun...
He saw his flesh as rotting, deformed, a waste. Let it burn. Let it be purged. He screeched in pain and anger and rage. The heat and fire entered his lungs, charring them, burning his insides. Pure hate kept him alive...
Welcome to the dark side. Or as Azgo would say: You are frail no longer.
Gods
Zebus
Agni
Marcus
Leaf
Pruinus
Onus
Azgo
Sa
Yr
Tasoe
Thereus
Urru
Umbra
Exarchs
Artun
Cumbrous
Seg
The Horned Knight
Avatars
Pharos
Brother Branch
Locations
The Crown
The Earth Motes
The Godcrater
The Halls Of Creation
Twilight Garden
Eternal Volcano
Southern Mountains
Artifacts
The Apostate's Bane
The Reaping Sword
The Beacon
Planes
The "Normal" Plane
The Great Beyond (The After Life)
The Shadow
The Moon
Heroic Races (Races that are available as Player Characters within the setting)
Galeb Duhr
Humans
Agni'Vohda
Luminaries (Not sure if this counts as it's own race, but here's the best place to put it I can think of)
Monster Races (To an extent, all Heroic races have some presence here as most likely a few hostile, statted "monsters" will come from each race.)
Guardian Angels
Craterspawn
Angels Of Death
Shadows
Soulfiends
NightWalkers
People
It
Koga
Scorch
Other
Winter (Season)
Primal Spirits
Plants
Winter Berries
Places
The Crown
The Earth Motes
The Godcrater
The Halls Of Creation
Twilight Garden
Eternal Volcano
Southern Mountains
Again, I've likely missed a TON of info here, so anymore ideas are welcome.
I'll create a thread for this on the group as soon as I figure out how to.
(That's my super subtle way of asking someone to tell me how)
EDIT: Two things that are bothering me a little:
1. We haven't defined any countries or contients yet in our world, so at the moment its one big mess. Perhaps its time to create some order and start naming places?
2. Considering the placement of the crown and its surrounding landmasses, am I right in assuming that currently only the top half of the world has been effected by the gods in any way and the rest is still any empty slate? Might be a good idea to branch out in where we create things.
Those are just my observations.
To note, I am currently going through the AP expenditure list/IC thread adding stuff that has been missed. Alas, I accidentally added Zebus' Twisted Nether Regions (this game really isn't doing well with innuendos) twice. Topheh, any chance you could give me edit access to the log itself, so I can do back and remove it (and edit the entry dates so that things are more in order)?
Perhaps its time to create some order and start naming places?
I'd love to have some order! (Runs towards Shadow)
Hey! Marcus! We could use some... oh. Wait....
...
On a related note, Dodging classes will be in room 101 on the weekends at Whitetop Glen Highschool. $50 entry fee, and bring a sack lunch.
Done another list of wiki articles, this time using the format the wiki itself uses.
Couple thoughts.
First, Sa should be bold.
Second, You should include Magic under your list of other.
Third, you have both "Places" and "Locations" in your list.
There is no category for false gods on my list because the wiki i copied doesnt have that category either.
That is an interesting idea... Craterspawn driving the mortals underground and the remorhaz waiting for them in the depths.
But that would require more than just my approval methinks.
You've got mine. But yes... we should get other people's thoughts.
Thanks James!
To note, I am currently going through the AP expenditure list/IC thread adding stuff that has been missed. Alas, I accidentally added Zebus' Twisted Nether Regions (this game really isn't doing well with innuendos) twice. Topheh, any chance you could give me edit access to the log itself, so I can do back and remove it (and edit the entry dates so that things are more in order)?
You... should have access... Everyone should...
Shadow, you were never consistent, but it started out a Tsu more often, and changed to Tzu as the game went on.
An exarch and a new race, hopefully that will stem the tide of remorhaz threatening to engulf Avarom. As for the idea of driving humanity underground, I'm okay with it, as long as we can stem the tide of remorhaz. It is becoming an extremely brutal world where our poor humans have nowhere left for them to escape to at the moment. Remorhaz should be a threat, but shouldn't be a constant devastation that they seem to be at the moment.
It is becoming an extremely brutal world where our poor humans have nowhere left for them to escape to at the moment.
It is, isn't it? We have fire-torn badlands, deserts, harsh northern regions, and devastated forests. On top of that, hordes of corrupted angels have torn large amounts of civilization into ruin, remorhaz are attacking former sanctuaries, soul fiends move about collecting souls, nightwalkers are wandering the world, and cultists of altruis are assassinating resistance leaders.
I think Dark Sun has a cheerier setting. And that is saying something.
Fortunately, the war is coming to a close. Things may get a little worse before they get better, but then the world will be rebuilt.
Remorhaz should be a threat, but shouldn't be a constant devastation that they seem to be at the moment.
They seem to be running almost unchecked in the North. I was expecting Leaf to jump into the fray when i attacked him... but... well, Brother Branch is now kindling. But there are Giants there now, and that is a good thing.
In the near future i plan on describing the battles in different regions. If other gods could then describe how they win those battles, that would be great.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cvjwt9nnwXY for instance.
The Agni'Vohda themselves, being sparks, wouldn't care too much about such an explosion, the dragons... well, will either get lucky, or... if they fall back into the volcano proper, the orb there should stitch them back together (hehe). I'm also planning on sending a bunch of them away from the mountain, so... they could all die and leave those few as survivors.
And yes, this game is very brutal. Its fun!
Forgotten: Thank you for the reminder about Cumbrous. I was hoping to interact more with our Smith, but it seems that will be unlikely due to his posting schedule.
An exarch and a new race, hopefully that will stem the tide of remorhaz threatening to engulf Avarom. As for the idea of driving humanity underground, I'm okay with it, as long as we can stem the tide of remorhaz. It is becoming an extremely brutal world where our poor humans have nowhere left for them to escape to at the moment. Remorhaz should be a threat, but shouldn't be a constant devastation that they seem to be at the moment.
Crimson, just to make sure this is what you intended:
By spending only 2 AP on the Giants, what you are saying is that Giants are, in this universe, weaker than your Galeb Duhr, which you spent 3 AP on.
So... perhaps I was not quite accurate in what I said before. More accurately, 'if all the giant and all the Galeb Duhr got into a fight and all of their numbers and intelligence and etc were fully put into play, the giants would lose, and lose handlily.'
Obviously, with enough numbers or technology, anyone can beat anyone else, but... a race that starts a tier down has a lot of ground to make up.
The Galeb Duhr have had nourish perfromed for them 2 or 3 times already, so at the moment, they would be significantly more powerful than the giants. All vs All, that is.
Someone remind me to do some earwhispering the next time it would be irritating to Thought :P
The war is over. Well, the war is never over. But the invasion is.
EDIT CLARIFICATION: My armies, not yours. hahaha. That would be asking a lot, wouldn't it?
Shadow, no real plans.
Someone make Agni angry, please. The mountain exploding because he's angry is more interesting, world-building-wise (in that the volcano is a measure of the emotional state of a God), than it just exploding randomly.
Sounds like a job for Thought. Wasn't that what he was telling James he was trying to do?
Some folks mind giving me a quick runown? I skimmed through the IC but I don't think my comprehension was faultless. It's a lot to take in all at once!
Finally got my lappy fixed. I tell ya, every time I join one of these damn games I experience a fit of bad luck that takes me out of the action for an extended period of time.
Some folks mind giving me a quick runown? I skimmed through the IC but I don't think my comprehension was faultless. It's a lot to take in all at once!
Leaf is playing dead.
TASOE are playing dead.
Corollary: Artun is dead? Possibly?
Zebus is un-playing dead.
Marcus is dead.
The suns have been scattered across the world for no good reason.
The sun has been replaced with a burning hunk of god-mountain that used to be TASOE, and is now a substitute sun.
Sa has been keeping to itself.
Azgo has invaded, and assaulted the major races of the world - Humans, Dwarves, Ghaleb Dur, and Agni'vohda.
Onus and Pruinous are trying to guide the mortal races into victory, but have yet to establish anything identifable as a comeback.
EDIT: Check the post. Even the dirt in the air is frozen in time. I don't see anything non-divine (God or Exarch, essentially) getting to just walk out of there. They may be divine servants in a way, but they are still a populace.
I ask that nobody make any IC posts refering to either of those posts until the admins have made a decision on it.
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As soon as I saw Shadow going the Deception route I knew that someway or another Veros was going to rear his head. I remember thinking that after he said what he was going to do with Marcus being dead. I just knew it in my guts.
Pen_Dragon, they are still mortals. Mortals created for 3 AP. They are not a threat to a god unless that god wants to represent them as a threat. I'm not going to say anymore on this, as I can;t make the final judgement. I'll let Toph and Joran sort it out, and once they have let us know their decision, we'll move from there.
Both posts are guilty of being too absolute with their terms. Shadow's post shuts down any further interaction by Pen, and Pen's post makes Shadow's current God seem vaguely impotent, particularly given what he said to Azgo in the middle of his post.
We feel the following:
By Sa's declaration, Divine power is a form of magic. All sentient life is able to try to make a saving throw against magic. All magic should grant sentient life the ability to make a saving throw, and, as 3 AP beings who have two souls, it is logical that the angels should have a chance of not being frozen along with the weaker beings and inanimate objects around them.
However, we are talking about a GOD's power here, and we can't assume that an entire race is going to all make their saving throws. Pen, please modify your post such that only a subset of the angels are able to move despite the effects of the spell. They may flee, or fight, or recite sumerian poetry while doing acrobatics, but the important part is that most of them are frozen in place.
If neither of you are okay with this, you are also welcome to delete your posts and try again in another manner.
Just deleted my old post and put a new one up. I'll try to be more open in the future. My only defense is that I was already annoyed at what felt like metagame knowledge from Veros (it was Marcus that knew about the angels, not Veros), and then if felt like Shadow... well, Topheh already said it. Not that any of that is an excuse. But I hope it help puts my behavior in perspective.
Topeh, I am curious: how much AP does one have to invest into a mortal race before they can avoid getting slapped around by gods? Those angels already had 8AP. 3 from create, 2 from souls, 1 from free will, 1 from the introduction of their ancient restorative power, 1 from the enhancement of that power. I'm thinking about flavoring them to specifically be threats to gods, with several specifically anti-divine attributes. I'm just not sure if that is possible, and if so, how much AP that would take.
Thanks.
Otherwise, a race of... bunnies who have had 5 AP sunk into them giving them extra cuddle powers... would be just as capable of ignoring a God's orders as a race of, well, God-killing angels who have had 5 AP sunk into them making them 'increasingly resistant to divine effects.'
That said, for an entire race to be more-or-less protected from divine interference? Thats... going to be a lot of AP and RP!
EDIT: Two things that are bothering me a little:
1. We haven't defined any countries or contients yet in our world, so at the moment its one big mess. Perhaps its time to create some order and start naming places?
2. Considering the placement of the crown and its surrounding landmasses, am I right in assuming that currently only the top half of the world has been effected by the gods in any way and the rest is still any empty slate? Might be a good idea to branch out in where we create things.
Those are just my observations.
Sorry, just realized I never addressed these.
1) Well, we're still fighting a war, so I'm not sure any living race has given thought to *naming* anything quite yet. That said, that sounds like an excellent thing to start doing once the war ends.
2) The way things worked out, I think the 'Crown' is actually somewhere about halfway between the pole and the equator, at least given the distribution of biomes at the moment. That said, the world is as big as we want it to be, and we can certainly add some more landmasses... if we need to. Just keep in mind that they'll be like 'our' continent was before we got to it... namely, no terrain whatsoever, just flat, featureless land.
Let me know when this has been resolved fully.
community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/758...
At least, I'd assume we wouldn't want to delete posts back even that far.
Also, Shadow, I'mma gonna call BS. Marcus has no way of knowing that Veros encountered Guardian Angels, and even if he did, no way of communicating, and even if he did, he's not under your control. Indeed, personally, I'd even say that it's unlikely that Marcus knows where Veros is (they are in entirely seperate planes). To be generous, we can accept that they're at least aware of one another, although given that Marcus died first, there's really no reason to assume that this would have to be the case.
So, what was the underlying problem? I had said that I was going to be playing antagonists, but was it perhaps the antagonism in the scene that bothered you? Or perhaps the level of antagonism? After all, Umbra was trying rather hard to drive a wedge between you and Azgo: a little opposition might have been fine, but did I go too far?
Or was it that other people (Pen and myself) responded in a way that undermined your god's character? Pen's first response made your god seem impotent, and the second try made your god seem not all-knowing. I'd assume you'd rather neither be attributed to your god. So perhaps that was it?
Or was it something else? Just a general annoyance at how Pen or myself play (or perhaps us together)?
I'd rather no one feel alienated, but as it is, I'm not sure what, entirely, went wrong, just that something did.
That should mean that everyone is free to post in that story thread again.
Hell, it could even be sentient and we wouldn't know.
Topheh, how much would it cost to turn the world into a sentient dimension shifting, time traveling island?
It's just because everyone's afraid that they'll be imprissoned inside a large godbeast, isn't it?
AZGO!!
And the crowd. Goes. WILD!!!
Moral: Golem crafting is expensive.
That said, I appear to have missed many posts. I hope my intended post... can still happen. I was going to end one branch of the war tonight :D
Anywho, I'm mostly just amused at poor Seg. He's trying so hard, but everything that could go wrong for him is going wrong. Hopefully he'll eventually be able to get the other gods to trust him. It will just take longer than I had thought.
EDIT: Hey, Forgotten, are they any craterspawn left in the world? It looks like they've been driven out of the north, the crater itself is now well defended, the south is a wasteland of magma, and the west... well, the less said about the destruction in the west, the better. It looks like the invasion is over.
Well, almost. The hordes are broken, yes. A few individual flocks will constantely seek out life to destroy until they are destroyed themselves.
And there is one last named location where the battle is not fully decided in terms of loss. Avarom.
I recall from somehwere that Moondoggy wanted the golem-making process to go awry, so he can keep creating scenes until that arc satisfies him.
I left the Anima Guard post open for you to reply to.Do the Anima Guard find humans in the cathedral, craterspawn or does something else happen? You decide!
Feel free to kill one or two of them, the squad is truly arrogant and needs to be taught some humility.
Or would it be better to say, north north / north west / north south / north east / north center ?
Aside: Why "snow" elves. They're the *only* elves!.
Your point?
@Forgotten: I left the Anima Guard post open for you to reply to.Do the Anima Guard find humans in the cathedral, craterspawn or does something else happen? You decide! Feel free to kill one or two of them, the squad is truly arrogant and needs to be taught some humility.
Actually, I was going to pop in with some giants and finish off the fight at Avarom, but I've been underwhelmed with sickness lately... Hopefully I'll get a post up tonight.
As for why Artic Elves (did I say snow elves?), partially because I wanted to make it clear than they aren't the standard forest dwellers, and also because I assumed that people would want more standard versions eventually, so thought that classifications to start off with might be useful
And then...
hibernate.
Raven, it would be the north/north set: everythings in the north. Sorry if that wasn't clear.
As for why Artic Elves (did I say snow elves?), partially because I wanted to make it clear than they aren't the standard forest dwellers, and also because I assumed that people would want more standard versions eventually, so thought that classifications to start off with might be useful
Cool. (no pun intended!)
Second - that's the fun part, though. Y'all shouldn't be looking for slots to stick 'standard' D&D into. Elves and Dwarves aren't mandatory, after all.
Though, that said, I may well introduce Koloss. Raven, would hemalurgy fit in with your idea of magic for this world?
Yes. You told him that you could use him for your own gains, and that you could benefit him. Azgo was asking what you bring to the table.
True, Raven. Of course, most of the fantasy genre still assumes the Tolkein staples (elves, dwarves, orcs). Chances of them not appearing are small (as we see from the fact that dwarves are already there).
Though, that said, I may well introduce Koloss. Raven, would hemalurgy fit in with your idea of magic for this world?
From what I understand of my brief reading of it, it should yes.
The crux of the matter would be the spikes remove portion of the targets soul, which is why it is (almost always) fatal, and because it's a *soul*, it would contain both raw mana and the collective knowledge of how to *use* that mana.
So it's not a new type of magic, per se, but it'd definitely jive as a new way to practice the existing magicks (And it'd be closest to shadow magic, which Zebus has not yet given me an opportunity to flesh out)
Quick question: how many factions are in Avarom right now? From reading it looks like four ( Anima Guard, Elves, Dwarves and Giants) but i get the feeling I'm missing one.
Humans and Ghaleb Dur? Remoraz and/or Craterspawn?
My computer BSOD and ate my entire post! It won't be as good the second time around. *grumbles*
For those interested:
community.wizards.com/lordsofcreation/go...
Done another list of wiki articles, this time using the format the wiki itself uses.
Couple thoughts.
First, Sa should be bold.
Second, You should include Magic under your list of other.
Third, you have both "Places" and "Locations" in your list.
These are all still true. Well the first two at least. Having trouble checking the third from my phone. And I can't post in that thread.
Quick question James: Do you still want Anima Guard humbled? It seems Avarom was taken rather quickly...
Yes, I am also willing to help with this.
On the whole black dragons are the most opposed to Azgo on the normal (read hellish) continent.
You know, part of me really hopes that there's some other continent on the southern half of the world that is just pristine and untouched. I think we're going to make the one we're on uninhabitable pretty soon.
At least once the hellstorm subsides first that is....
Raven, I'll be putting our deal in motion as soon as either Zebus says something to Urru or I get tired of waiting.
Toph, nothing says we can't heft one up from this raw world. Hell, why not just make a whole damn Floating Continent away from this scorched hellscape. and then drop it later
Might help if SOME god stopped burninating the landscape, and if some other god didn't try to "cleans" the land after all the evil was just driven out :P
How was Zebus supposed to know! He was trapped in sword after all! xD
Besides, Agni is having way too much fun with this.
And yes, I was laughing as I was writing that post of devastation at the fact that the war was... already over. Poor mortals. Even the 'nice' Gods can't help but hasten their deaths.
You planning on doing anything with that Agni'Vohda, long term?
*Cough* My question? *Cough*
Specifically:
Quick question James: Do you still want Anima Guard humbled? It seems Avarom was taken rather quickly...
With which Raven was willing to participate in?
My response is not right now, lets hope that Avarom is taken for now and they'll meet a grisly fate another time.
Very. Very. Soon.
Though it may be thematic to be defeated and go from there as long as i'm not skewered. Still, its a healthy, viable option.
EDIT: @ Motly adventuring party of level 35 solo's: give me a little time before you do anything drastic. Also, i think James wanted to post as well.
Feeling generous. Everyone gets that this morning. Surprise if you hadn't spent last weeks yet.
To be honest Moondoggy, i don't know what i'd do with that AP, ive been at a loss for what to do mostly with this "Cleansing the world" thing.
James, regarding the cleansing the world thing, given that most the damage at this point is from Zebus and Agni, perhaps something to shield the world from them?
Alas, if only there was a god of "healing" to help ;)
BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
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I mean... um... cheers.
James: I think basically a lot of 'heal the world, make it a better place, for you and for me and the entire multi-species race(s)' would be appropriate. Or start describing a new continent for people to migrate to if we assume our volcano-ridden, flaming-god-stuff laden, burning continent is... too sucky for life.
It's kind of easy being evil when the "good" guys are pretty evil themselves.
Pruinus has appeared more like a god of nature recently in my opinion and i was hoping to play to the cold aspect again but i'll do the first thing i think of to heal the world.
@Raven, I think what Shadow might have meant is that its an idea that hasn't been established well enough, not that his post was incomplete. To use myself as an example, I had a lot of posts about the artic elves before they were really an finished concept in-game. I could have posted everything in one post, but that's less fun and it would have been a huge block of text that no one would have read.
On that note, time to change subjects: Pen I love your idea. Has anyone here read the Amber series by Roger Zelazney? I'm thinking of the Pattern if you have.
Edit: Speaking thereof, how do I update the text of my past AP logging?
That said... I have no idea what shadow's gods' name is supposed to be! SHADOW! Answer!
Raven, steam just died, which is why I vanished. Sorry. Not sure what happened. Have to get ot the bus anyways, though.
Raven, steam just died, which is why I vanished. Sorry. Not sure what happened. Have to get ot the bus anyways, though.
Yeah, for me too. Network hiccup, I think. Come find me when you get back, though - I still have a question for you.
And no, I can't edit the spreadsheet. (Most def. because of the input method)
More semantical here, but your OOC not and location description are inaccurate. Vikari is the title for active speakers of deception. So its not really their encampment, so much as the human encampment that happens to have Vikari in it, and your Fahren wouldn't be a Vikari.
If you need to refer to him in the wiki or OOC, I suggest calling him Deception.
Edit: For Thought, the deceptions used so far are:
- Verndari, Protector of the Weak
- Tzu'misel, Lord of Waters
- Myrkur, the Sheltering Darkness
- Lysing, Storms Fury
- Veros, the Scholar
Simple fact, I created it to explicitly not be magic! There for it isn't.
If it looks like divine magic, acts like divine magic, but isn't divine magic... its meta-deception! Shadow, you have outdone yourself! :P
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In all seriousness:
Shadow, while I completely understand and sympathize with your desire to develop your creation along the lines you desire, I'm not entirely certain why the sticking point here is calling it 'divine magic.' My definition of 'Divine Magic' is something like: "A supernatural occurance which is brought about by worship of a divine being (and by said being's power) through some form of action (prayer, will, runes, etc)."
As you have explicitly stated that "each deception is powered directly by the Deceiver," I can't help but wonder why calling it 'divine magic' is so problematic to you, when it seems to be the moniker that most fits. Even in-game, we've had a similar example in which the Primal Spirits have powered the magics of practitioners which has been termed 'divine magic.'
I'm fully aware that you might not want to share your plan, you being the God of Deception and all, but I don't think that declaring that its not magic because you say its not magic is going to be a convincing argument to get Raven to change his views. Perhaps if you shared with him (or me, or everyone or... whatever) part of the plan, we would understand why you are making such an issue of the semantics.
Does that sound interesting to people? James, Zebus, Topheh, would you guys be on board?
Not that those evil plans haven't been a blast, I just have some races I want to get started!
EDIT: Oh don't worry. I've only created two of the three god beasts so far. Not sure how to make the third yet...
I am not yet sure but i may soon be doing away the Anima Guard squad for a while, i never had any long term plans for the characters themselves and i can barely switch keep up with POV characters im posting from now (Pruinus, Primal Spirits, Horned Knight & Onyxixus.) they were simply meant to claim Avarom and make it a base, after negotiations with the elves are done the characters may disappear to make way for a new legend.
A new legend shall arise in this world. A legend of a hero of unmatched greatness, a hero whose exploits will be told to all children. Villians and Gods will not dare to whisper his name, and shall curse the day of his birth. The stage is set for an epic legend.
Ladies and Gentlemen, Timmy Bushytail is coming to town.
Name: Lenauti (Lena)
Greater Domains: Water
Moderate Domains: ---
Lesser Domains: ---
Physical Appearance: Lenauti is as beautiful as she is elusive. Her form primarily takes on a semi-humanoid appearance-- a silver fog that glimmers in the light of the stars. Her form is rather concrete, though she tends to trail her essence around wherever she goes-- that essence usually ending up coming back within her. What doesn't return usually becomes something remarkable, or something destructive.
She may not be as loyal and kind as those before her, but she has her way of speculating events and conflicts, even if she may be soft-spoken.
Divine Symbol: A flowing ribbon of silver imbued upon a crystalline amethyst landscape.
For the sake of determining ascension, it seems this situation, though long forgotten, might serve as a triggering point for her arrival (in other words, a conscious, yet unintentional, act):
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Agni breathed in the evaporated tea, and stone cracked as the God grinned wider. That smelled... pleasant, Zebus. I declare that I enjoy this... Tea. But I remain uncertain of this Cold. You say it is not me. But you are not me. Are you cold? Do you wish to be warm? Agni floated closer to Zebus, and sweat broke out on the other God's brow.
Also I am on board, but Zebus is tied up for about another week or so, so if you could put that off for a bit that'd be swell.
Eventually I might get around to doing something other than causing trouble, chaos, death, and fighting. Or at least that's what I want to do....
Yeah, it will probably be at least another week to even just set stuff up. Unless, of course, people want to sacrifice AP to the ancient spirits of evil?
@Xeadin, welcome! Question: my character is specifically supposed to be an antagonist for other people. Would you like to be antagonized, too?
EDIT: I may be willing to write up the week's story, but I make no promises.
EDIT 2:
@Pen_Draggin: I'd love to create some kind of challenge for mortals similar to what you mentioned, but I'm not sure what the challenge could actually be. I might just cop out and make it so that each challenge is suited to the challenger at hand.
I hope my old one at home still works!
@Xeadin, welcome! Question: my character is specifically supposed to be an antagonist for other people. Would you like to be antagonized, too?
If that fits your bill, have at it.
[edit]: If I understand correctly, I've been told that there was a storm sent towards the southern region of the world, made by Leaf (Pen_Draggin). I think maybe my god could come to existence within that storm (pseudo-self ascension), if that's alright with anyone else here.
.............Why haven't you posted yet? Join the... very dark party we are throwing here!
"And this smouldering pile of acid is where TASOE bled the God Mountain onto, forever tainting the plants."
"And this village was burnt to the ground by Azgo's craterspawn"
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Onus, Cumbrous, and the Galeb Duhr can be used however you see fit.
Thanks for letting me give this a swing.
Second
Let us see what can happen when I have no eyes to see with or a mind...
Well, as far as Leaf's concerned, that sounds like business as usual!
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Yeah, okay. I am currently in the buisness of moving (judging by Joran's and my ideas it will probably be some sort of hellish wound in the cosmos that serves as a prison... so Detroit). So when i am all done unpacking my Timmy Bushytail action figures, I will head on over.
By the way, I didn't mean to turn skeletal. That was kinda spur of the moment thought and it sounded cool at the time. You are also doing one nasty number on me! Keep it up!
@Forgotten/Joran, actually, I have 2 AP that are just waiting to turn my god into a plane to serve as a sort of abyss of the setting. Any desire to "imprisson" Azgo there? ;)
@General, no one's going to trust Seg, are they? Comes with being evil, I guess.
@Forgotten/Joran, actually, I have 2 AP that are just waiting to turn my god into a plane to serve as a sort of abyss of the setting. Any desire to "imprisson" Azgo there? ;)
Hmmmmm..................................
Well, i can't speak for Joran, but i like the idea. It would certainly lead to an... interesting relationship between TASOE and Azgo. As for specifics, I'm not sure yet.
On the other hand, I was looking forward to a bigger plane all my own. My greatest concern is how divine mutability would work? Who can do what to the plane? How much control does either of us have and what stops TASOE from bullying Azgo with threats of collapsing the planet? Things like that.
He didn't look nearly as bad as Azgo
That's not saying much. If you tossed Jabba the Hut into a woodchipper, then you could say "nearly".
Seg was the one who started the conversation. If he had wanted to get more out of the conversation, he should have asked more questions!
Forgotten,
If this ends up with my mortal hero being stolen by you to make an exarch who is then stolen back by me because I made a convincing pitch, I will be VERY amused.
EDIT: Currently I don't even have the ability to post from my phone, so I'd say for a while I'll be posting around two or three times maximum a week.
I'm finally doing the story for two weeks ago (trying to get both stories done at once, and it appears that I completely missed one of your posts, James... looks like you posted 3 minutes before I did and I just didn't see it. Would have changed my responses... a lot.
And two or three times a week is more than enough... just post when you can and we'll give you a crash course on what, if anything, you've missed.
So, unlike last week, this week I actually have my summary ready tonight, which means that tomorrow I can write it up quickly.
Joran, Forgotten, Thought... how are we going to... end... this? Agni appears to have at least sort of 'won' his part of the fight, so I'm availible for a dramatic rescue if need be. Alternately, I run?
As an FYI, regarding fighting Umbra, since Pinky had indicated that the god has no real physical form, that's how I've been trying to play it (in case Pinky wants to come back at some point). Hence why I indicated that whatever Agni caught and threw, it wasn't Umbra, although I still tried to have Umbra get hurt by it.
@Raven, where Seg comes from, approaching someone and then standing there awkwardly until they acknowledge your presence counts as starting a conversation :P
But given that Sa has no specific reason to be suspicious of Seg, it makes the god of promises come off as very untrusting and paranoid... which, is basically every interaction Seg's had. Colors his perception of the world, it does.
Seg, god of lies, joined the meeting of Zebus, Agni, Pruinus (and Urru), though the paranoia of the other gods quickly drove him away. While gods talked, mortals acted. The long ages spent in the north had transformed once-refugees into the arctic elves, who swept south and destroyed much of Azgo's invading army. Humans, dwarves, and others destroyed the foul creatures in Avarom, and the Eternal Volcano took care of the rest. Nix, uplifted animals, appeared and dealt with any stragglers.
At Zebus's behest, the first gods, minus dead Leaf, destroyed much of the world. Agni caused the hidden suns to explode, nearly eradicating people still weak from their desperate victory. Zebus shed crocodile tears on the world, killing even more, and Pruinus set winter upon the world, althogh kinder than her kin, she also sent aid to mortals to help them resist the cold. The arctic elves, their attention caught, sought out the sun in the north. Artun sought it as well, and there created White Dragons, legless flying wyrms that hated Agni as much as he did.
In the godcrater, an unseen presence tried to form an alliance with Azgo, while an exarch of Order in the form of Veros appeared to do the same. The unseen presence whispered wise counsel in Azgo's ears and the liar was eventually driven away. Meanwhile, the solar explosion had caught Azgo's attention, and he used the sun to enhance his exarch, the Eclipse Aflame. This accidentally created black dragons in the process.
Among the skymotes, where Seg had retreated after Agni demanded he leave, the god of "healing" (that is, lies) encountered Sa, who asked him many questions. During this encounter, mortals learned shadow magic and revenants were created.
With the world ruined, Zebus and Agni sought out Azgo.
But given that Sa has no specific reason to be suspicious of Seg, it makes the god of promises come off as very untrusting and paranoid... which, is basically every interaction Seg's had. Colors his perception of the world, it does.
When that world is mostly filled with... in no particular order, gods of Evil, Suffering, Pestilence, Fiery Armageddon... well, can ya blame a wayward flower? :D
When that world is mostly filled with... in no particular order, gods of Evil, Suffering, Pestilence, Fiery Armageddon...
You know, looking back, i did not spread many diseases during the invasion. Sure, there was a mass blinding of the south-western hinterlands... but i really did not spread much disease. I will need to remedy that in the near future.
Unless, of course, you don't want to have an extra 2AP to spend this week
and while I should include that in my post, I'm not. Laziness kicking in again. I will make sure the expenditure log is updated though and I'll try to put it in there for you.
Sorry about that, folks. Been a bit pre-occupied the past few days. With a final project coming up and moderating a popular forum, it takes a decent chunk out of my time.
[Edit] And there she goes
Welcome to the game, Xeadin. Good to have you back.
Just realized I haven't filled out the AP expenditure form in a abysmally long time. Should do that at some point.
I might not be able to destroy you yet
I could have killed him you know. I didn't want to, but I was able to.
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So... uhh...
Which?
Or is Zebus just being Zebus?
I might not be able to destroy you yetI could have killed him you know. I didn't want to, but I was able to.
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So... uhh...
Which?
Or is Zebus just being Zebus?
Its Zebus being Zebus. He is also talking to himself out loud. Some times death doesn't make sense. this is one of them times.
Its Zebus being Zebus. He is also talking to himself out loud. Some times death doesn't make sense. this is one of them times.
Wait, Zebus makes senses some of the time?!
(On the otherhand, I still *check* daily)
'Tis a conundrum.
(Case in point: Thought and I talked about nothing for about a week. Nothing happened. Two reactionary gods != good stories)
Thats the main reason i haven't been posting much lately but I should be able to post reguarly again now
Its been messing up all the stuff I am writing in for the last few weeks.
Sorry.
Doggy: You are God of Light. There are many suns buried and lost, and some elves looking to return their sun to the heavens. Perhaps you can be 'patron' of those groups? Guiding and cajoling them to do awesome things.
Also, I still have a slough of ideas from Altair (my Light God) that I never implemented. Now, granted, he was a bit of a jerk and his relationship with the world was... angrier... than yours, but if you want to talk, I'll see if I can get this old thing onto mibbit later today.
Okay, I finally have a computer again instead of my kindle fire... which really isn't good for writing on. This one is prone to BSOD-ing every few hours, but... at least I can start posting again.
Doggy: You are God of Light. There are many suns buried and lost, and some elves looking to return their sun to the heavens. Perhaps you can be 'patron' of those groups? Guiding and cajoling them to do awesome things.
Also, I still have a slough of ideas from Altair (my Light God) that I never implemented. Now, granted, he was a bit of a jerk and his relationship with the world was... angrier... than yours, but if you want to talk, I'll see if I can get this old thing onto mibbit later today.
That'd be just swell, old top. Perhaps what I need to get these creative juices flowing is a good brainstorming session. Talk at ya later today.
Figured boiling your element might get your attention!So, who actually is going to RP as the humans? Veok created them for Thought whose relevant God is now... kinda insane, and Doggy was doing things with them recently... I just need someone to reply to my Bugs!
Also, computer still broken-ish. Should have my real one back on tuesday, at which point it'll be time for a lot of catch-up.
Glad you got my message, Xeadin
So, who actually is going to RP as the humans? Veok created them for Thought whose relevant God is now... kinda insane, and Doggy was doing things with them recently... I just need someone to reply to my Bugs!
Also, computer still broken-ish. Should have my real one back on tuesday, at which point it'll be time for a lot of catch-up.
I'll try and get around to replying today. Been busy in a starcraft 2 tournament (of coworkers, I'm not *that* good!). So far I'm 3/2 with one series to go!
Question: Are you creating a new class of dragon entirely (gem dragon, I guess?) As if you wanted to, that Orb is already primed to create a set of dragons for you at NO COST!
And thanks for the reset, shadow... I'll be playing catch-up next week, that is for sure.
Oh great. Guess I deserved that, Raven.
Question: Are you creating a new class of dragon entirely (gem dragon, I guess?) As if you wanted to, that Orb is already primed to create a set of dragons for you at NO COST!
And thanks for the reset, shadow... I'll be playing catch-up next week, that is for sure.
I'm actually curious as to how the Chitrarchs will respond, since they outnumber and outarm the humans, and could easily beat them in a fight. I have some ideas as to how to prevent things from escalating *too* far, though.
And no, I did not intend to create a new class of dragon entirely.
So far, the Dragon race = Red (Volcano), Black (Godcrater), White (Northern Glacier), Opal (Skymotes / Beacon) ???, ???, ???.
Underground in the southern tunnels (the one that destroyed Sil Arkosh). If no one else claims this one, I have a portion of an idea of what to do with it.
Inside one of Thought's God-forms. I presume its fairly unreachable at this point.
Embedded in rock (but not entirely) in a blasted plain west of the Crown.
Oh well, I'm sure you guys have much better plans with them at this point anyway
Of course, if it is an aquatic only creature, rather than amphibious, that would be a problem...
Also, Thought, you have any plans with Artun? I'd love to speak with him (read recruit).
Second, Forgotten, I have plans, but Toph said he had plans too, so I've been waiting on him. Trust me, if it was up to me, Artun would have gone on an anti-Agni rampage a long time ago :P
Also, I plan on "stealing" another sun soon.
Speaking personally, controlling my character in absentia without my explicit permission would be the single fastest way to make me never want to come back.
There are some things as storytellers you just don't do -- and to me, controlling someone else's character falls dead center in the land of "Do not go there".
Honestly, its a better solution (the 'the evil God has ensared you (but you are free to break free whenever) than what we've had before, for sure ('They're just... gone!') Is it ideal? No. That said, I have the admin-hammer poised over his head if he starts going crazy. *flexes hammering-hand*
Also, who said you needed to have one of the suns to make dragons? It just might take a little more the other way.
Second, Toph, three. Umbra/PinkPony, Onus/CrimsonVampire, and Altruis/Rimmon. Both Pinky and Crimson gave permission (must be a color thing), but Rimmon... well, as you noted, he went totally MIA. There have been attempts to contact him, to no avail. Historically speaking, the chances of him coming back are essentially none, though certainly it could happen.
So, two of them gave permission, the other one will almost certainly never know.
That said, I could see this being a concern for existing players (if they just don't like the behavior): certainly we don't want to drive others away. Likewise, I could see it being a concern for recruiting new players (they might not like the atmosphere). But, I'm biased in this regard, so I'd encourage others to discuss it. And whatever is the will of the counsel, Thoughtdor will see it done.
Lastly, Toph, can I call you Helm Banner-Hand?
EDIT: Just to be clear, Raven, if you're not comfortable in playing in an environment where someone else has taken control of someone's god, let me know and I'm happy to abandon the project. I hate having the universe populated by uncontrolled gods, but I'd rather do that than lose another player.
Joran: Nothing at all prevents anyone from making more dragons with as many AP as they want, but I figured that as it appeared that there were dragons coming from a sun... and I had already paid for dragons to come out of the suns, that it seemed a reasonable question to ask!
I hope my computer comes back tomorrow... had a BSOD the first time I tried to write this. Stupid old computer!
Again, a list of articles to be written up.
Gods
Zebus
Agni
Marcus
Leaf
Pruinus
Onus
Azgo
Sa
Yr
Tasoe
Thereus
Urru
Umbra
Exarchs
Artun
Cumbrous
Seg
The Horned Knight
Ka'vah (Scorch)
Avatars
Pharos
Brother Branch
Locations
The Crown
The Earth Motes
The Godcrater
The Halls Of Creation
Twilight Garden
Eternal Volcano
Southern Mountains
Artifacts
The Apostate's Bane
The Reaping Sword
The Beacon
Planes
The "Normal" Plane
The Great Beyond (The After Life)
The Shadow
The Moon
Heroic Races (Races that are available as Player Characters within the setting)
Galeb Duhr
Humans
Agni'Vohda
Nix
Arctic Elves
Dwarves
Luminaries (Not sure if this counts as it's own race, but here's the best place to put it I can think of)
Monster Races (To an extent, all Heroic races have some presence here as most likely a few hostile, statted "monsters" will come from each race.)
Guardian Angels
Craterspawn
Angels Of Death
Shadows
Soulfiends
NightWalkers
Golems
Chromatic Dragons
People
It
Koga
Scorch
Char
Dayros
Onyxixus
Noctis
Nations
N/A
Settlements
Avarom
Organizations
Anima Guard
Other
Winter (Season)
Primal Spirits
Magic
Plants
Winter Berries
I myself will most likely do the majority of my editing work once the game is over and each article's content is "finallized" and will not need any further updates.
Inform me of anything I've missed.
Hmm... no sudden murders due to misunderstanding, I guess... A shame, really.
Shhh! I am making divine magic! Don't ruin the moment with sudden murders!
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The murders come *later*.
I want to spend some AP into changing the Halls Of Creation to a sort of self-aware plane that constantly updates itself with new sculptures of legendary figures, be they god, mortal or anywhere in between. Sort of like the intentions of Aradeia's god; if they're important enough or they have a story behind them, they'll have a place there.
I just think Pruinus needs another god to set off that chain of events rather then it just happen.
Also...
@Topheh: I have photoshop and my brushes installed once again and I resume work on the Agni illustration. Most likely I'll start from scratch and this is the first time I've done any concept art for anyone other then college or close friends/family so most likely I'll spend a while on it so it makes the right impression to anyone evaluating my skills.... or something.
If it's not too much trouble could a god that Pruinus has never met before introduce themselves to her?
Only if they know of the other god's existence. Otherwise, gods cannot be omniscient and know of every god in existence that they have not met. They must, at least, encounter each other once before they know of their existence and where they may reside. Broadcasting a god's existence, whether it be a large-scale change or a small flash of light at the corner of the world, will spark someone's curiosity. Toph's god, for example, grabbed the attention of my god because of a huge white cloud that erupted from the sea.
Venture out. Meet some people.
James, I am SUPER excited about this. Can't wait to see it.
Also, with great joy I announce that (two days late) I finally have my computer, which means I can do... stuff!
Venture out. Meet some people.
GAWD you sound just like my mum! Wanting me to have a "Social life" thingy XD
But yeah, it's what I tried to do by approaching the sky-motes only to find them abandoned.
I wouldn't ask for help but the week is almost over and I have yet to spend any AP and I can't think of another way I wish to do so, I'd donated my AP but I can't think of a in-game reason of why this would be happening.
7.6*10^19 lifetime sentences to go...
@ Raven of Dreams: Just a little longer and I will come visit you. Gotta deal with Altruis first.
I sense an irony afoot.
Speaking of Scorch, he hasn't said anything for awhile.
And...aaaahhhh..... yes, that was my original plan. Someone *changed* that, though :D
Note to self: artifact, Sa meeting, renovations, Primal Spirits, Ka'Vah, and my missing arms.
Also, Joran. You still around? I'd like to talk to you about the Abyss' role in the afterlife.
Also, James. Are you up for interactions with Timmy, or are you working on a plan?
Or maybe you do, I'm sure it would be hilarious. Agni would probably destroy half the world again or something.
Anyways, woke up today feeling better... still not completely well... I feel the fever building as I'm sitting here, but hopefully enough to be vaguely productive.
Anyways, you still okay with the idea of having a pet Dwarven kingdom high up in the ice? I think it sounds fun
Also, @ForgottenCommand:
I'm perfectly happy with others interacting with Timmy, but I DO have plans for him. Basically, as long as he doesn't end up dead or has his personality drastically changed, I'll be happy to oblige.
You have no idea how happy that makes me :3
EDIT: After starting Agni's artwork again, I've cursed myself with deciding to have the eternal volcano in the background, this piece is a lot harder then any previous effort, but that may be due to the fact I'm making sure the end quality is greater then any of my other works.
If fate and luck shines on me, I should be in mibbit chat tomorrow and during the weekend.
Anywho, sorry for being gone for a bit. I'll try to catch up asap.
In happier news... Ara is returning... I hope...
Awww. And here I thought they were going to rise up into the air in the middle of a nimbus of light and then be transformed into beings of greater power... *that* sort of leveling up
*has idea*
You know... I think I can make that work.
Also, remind me what game that particular leveling-method is used. I mean, yes, Highlander... but I know I've actually had a game with that, and now I can't for the life of me remember what it is.
Obviously, I haven't gotten my post up, and I apologize. It'll be up by the end of the night.
1) Xeadin, you about? Where are we going with our interaction?
2) Pen, I need ideas on how I can find Leaf/Branch. Agni has a proposal that I think that you are the best person to get that proposal. I'll send you a PM or maybe catch you on Mibbit with more details.
Xeadin, you about? Where are we going with our interaction?
I'm trying to decide whether to have my god leave in a furious onslaught or to leave in a sort of comical way. "What have you done??" versus "OOOoooohhh, pretty lights!"
Do you have any plans about his hometown?
(Forgotten begins to whistle innocently)
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(Well, that's not true. I can't whistle. Just picture something else as subtle)
On a different note, I assume you "own" Avarom? Is it indeed an Anima Guard Outpost? Is there a village, or what exactly?
So, James, about my earlier question...
Do you have any plans about his hometown?
(Forgotten begins to whistle innocently)
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(Well, that's not true. I can't whistle. Just picture something else as subtle)
On a different note, I assume you "own" Avarom? Is it indeed an Anima Guard Outpost? Is there a village, or what exactly?
Oh, I thought I answered all the questions. My apologies.
There is no plans for Timmy's hometown plot-wise, so whether you want to burn it down and slaughter its residents or built a giant chocolate fountain there, I'm fine with that. I'd prefer the latter though.
No, you did. I was just thinking about narrowing it down to a specific field. Not your fault.
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However, what about Avarom?
Your creation of generic zombies doesn't really mesh with the extant undead already in world (Revenants and the Umbrage). I have some suggest/ideas to consider, rathern than the current generic, 'things die, they are now zombies'.
On another topic, I believe the front page players list may need an update. Thereus left long ago, Karak never post in the IC and YR post a single time I believe, Although he may be coming back? Also Xeadin is not listed there.
To note, given your descriptions, I hadn't realized that either the Umbrages (Umbraginites... Umbralists... what's the proper plural for them?) or Revenants actually counted as undead in this setting. I thought you were trying to create a new category. A sort of "stillborn" category, if you will. Things for which the normal process of life and death stopped, rather than death being corrupted and the thing brought back to life. So, in short, I thought that the zombies were the first instance of undead in the world (quite curious given that though Rimmon created a lot of stuff in his one week of being active, the god of undeath didn't create anything undead).
Anywho, moving on from that, zombies are one of those primal horror monsters that represent an aspect of the human psyche (namely, blind consumerism/hunger). They're like werewolves (the animalistic side of a person) or vampires (unbrideled human sexuality) in that regard. So I'd like to keep that aspect of them. Unfortunately, zombies as an archetype don't really leave too much room for creativity. Which is why usually the creativity in zombies lies in their origin stories. Currently disease is in vogue for what causes zombism, I'd say because of the rule of one impossible thing (that is, in a real-world-esq setting, the reader will believe one impossible thing, such as that the dead can be raised, but will balk at two, such as that raising the dead is the result of, essentially, magic). However, in a fantasy setting like ours, that rule doesn't apply, so we are free to explore other motiefs.
I like the old "radiation" explanation for zombies, because it captures a certain sense of nostalgia. Back in the 50's and before, "radiation" could produce giant ants, an invisible man, a human torch, etc. We don't see the radiation-zombie too much anymore, especially without the radiation-sickness overtone. Of course, nuclear radiation doesn't fit in with the current setting, but actually your aberrant slant to some of your creations made me go in a lovecraftian direction (that radiation, including light, from beyond the sphere of the normal can have unnatural effects).
To be fair, I REALLY need a better background for that star, and an appropriate name. I had thought of Nibiru, and making it a comet that only appears occasionally, but it felt like that was done before. And besides, a constant star radiating undeadness opens up other alternatives. Namely, what happens to wild animals or plants? I'm hoping to eventually lead this in a direction of undead forests, and druids having a very necessary role in the wilderness (a forest not protected by a druid is a forest at risk of becoming undead). Although, to do that I have to get Pruinus' or Leaf's interest. Maybe Zebus', or perhaps all three (each having rituals that will prevent this occurance, perhaps: I don't see Agni or any other god caring too much if mortals become undead).
Anywho, those are just my thoughts, and my thinking behind it all. What would you like to see, Raven? (or anyone else who'd like to weigh in)
As for how to find Brother Branch, he's sort of in hiding at present. Given that Agni, Pruinus, and Zebus didn't react well to having him try to set himself up as their leader, he took advantage of his "death" to turn into a different aspect and try to earn their respect/allegiance via action, rather than talk. Unfortunately for him, that hasn't really been noticed. Next time he gets an opportunity to be killed, he'll probably shift aspects again, to something more overt.
Anywho, the best way to find Leaf/Brother Branch would be for a god to notice that all this life keeps sprouting up that no known god has done, and then tracing the action backwards to Brother Branch. While both the Elves and Halflings primarily honor other gods, I'd think that Brother Branch figures prominently in their mythology. Given that the two haven't interacted, that could be a mystery that points at the myth being true.
Or, depending on when Thought's monsters attack, maybe just wait and see how Leaf comes out of hiding.
Most certainly, Raven, I'd be happy to talk about them!
To note, given your descriptions, I hadn't realized that either the Umbrages (Umbraginites... Umbralists... what's the proper plural for them?) or Revenants actually counted as undead in this setting. I thought you were trying to create a new category. A sort of "stillborn" category, if you will. Things for which the normal process of life and death stopped, rather than death being corrupted and the thing brought back to life. So, in short, I thought that the zombies were the first instance of undead in the world (quite curious given that though Rimmon created a lot of stuff in his one week of being active, the god of undeath didn't create anything undead).
-SNIP-
It's just "the Umbrage", actually! Umbralists are practicioners of shadow magic, but that's only because the idiom, "To take umbrage" uses "umbra". The Umbrage were named after the idiom. Practioners of Shadow magic were named after the word itself.
And ayup. I've been trying to develop it as a bit of a 'side-project', as it were. (Esp. since Rimmon, as you say, did not). In this case, I've been trying to set up Undead as having a very specific meaning - having lost one's soul, (or not having one in the first place, in the case of one of the Umbrage). And since they have lost their soul, they are unable to experience Death (capital D).
Which brings us to Radiation Zombies (though I'm not familiar with them, they are about equivalent to what I was going to suggest). In this case, it is not the dead that are turned into zombies, but the living, those who spend too much time beneath the hungry, soul-sucking light of your star. The name "Gibbeth" comes to mind, but it's been a while, so I may be mistaken.
As opposed to the Revenants (no soul at all, crazed, lashes out at anything nearby), I'm imaginging zombies as having a sliver of the soul - enough to feel hunger. I'm not sure whether they would seek to raid areas and capture slaves to take back under the moon, or if their hunger is the metaphorical, desire for battle.
In short, Undead are not corpses! (usually)!
Thoughts, Thought?
Maybe I'll do that now.I can't wait to see this. SUPER excited.
Theoretically speaking, the scream is an amplified call around the mountains. It travels farther than that, but after the mountains the echo is felt rather than heard. It stirrs the racial memory of the Black dragons and calls them to the Moot. As of now, the Mootstone is only attuned to be felt for Black dragons, altough it could still be heard.
Practically, introduce it how you want to introduce it and I will adjust. Across thousands of miles however, it should only affect black dragons.
Oh, and James... just leave him at the door. I used to have an assisstant pick my "candidates" up, but he...
respectfully left to pursue other life-goals. In fact, I'm hiring...
I had plans to create a trio of Nix heroes, but have decided to scrap this in favour of focusing a lot more on Timmy. Writing for the other two characters was a slow and painful progress and I wasn't really enjoying it much for a "Game" so I've decided to ditch the idea.
Also, I wouldn't get THAT excited Topheh. I wouldn't want to show a lack of confidence in my own skill, but the fact of the matter is I am still a novice in photoshop. I asked for permissions to use your characters as a chance to expand my own skills by drawing to put other people's ideas into my work for once.
I've started a new Deviant art account recently, and you can view it's gallery here: ascendedjames.deviantart.com/gallery/431...
I haven't got much work on there as I have quite a knack for losing files of my previous work, but the images show my (Lack of) skill.
Although I will say once again, this is the first time I've done an illustration for someone over then close friends or family, so I'll be pushing my limits to "Impress" you. Or something.
Anywho, to Thought's thoughts about Raven's thoughts on Thought's thoughts!
I'm not sure about the living are zombies thing, largely because it makes it really hard to avoid the effect. You're a farmer and have to work outside a lot? Sucks to be you, you're at an increased risk of zombism. Or are you a rich dude who never goes outside? You're almost guaranteed to never turn into a zombie.
What if the light from the star "breaks" a soul as it leaves the body? A small sliver gets left behind as the main chunk moves on to the afterlife. Covering a dead body, then, allows the soul to fully exit the body before being exposed to the star, so no sliver could remain. Of course, that depends on when the soul leaves the body.
That small sliver stays in the body because, by itself, it doesn't have enough force or mass or whatever to escape. So it reanimate the body to try to follow the rest of the soul (I feel like there's a bad 80's movie pitch in there, somewhere).
Joran, is there anywhere in the world that a "still living" mortal can cross over to the afterlife? That might be an attraction for zombies. Although, any place that is perceived as a crossing point would probably attract them (graveyards, temples, etc).
Anywho, the mindless hunger of a zombie would probably come from the desire to be a complete soul. The sliver is desperate for companionship, and things that eating other people will let it eat their souls, and thus give it some of this companionship.
Thoughts, Raven?
I had caps lock on when I typed that sentence, but you know what. @#$* it, i'ma let that stay as is.
Let's make it happen.
Oh, and don't forget, Marcus lives again! Well.... in exarch form mostly. He's walking in the crown, probably about come upon some mortals.
Realting to Marcus and the souls of the dead... Marcus did create the first Angels of Death a while back. Perhaps they could be of use?
In the words of a warcraft peasant: Let's get busy!
If they do, well, it'll make for a much more interesting afterlife! Maybe they can be this games version of hollows?
Then it shall be done.
As for the specifics... The original angels might have been without souls so that the transformation could take place, and aside from those original four, all the others have souls. Or something else if you prefer. I know nothing of Bleach, though Rimmon speaks often of it, so the idea of hollows would have have to be on your side of the equation. Just let me know.
I'm going to be playing catch-up this weekend, (or just playing we'll see!) so we can hash something out; I'm sure of it.
James suggested this a while back (and I forgot about it until now), but what happened to Avarom under elvish influence?
I'm the same, although I really must get round to watching Bleach.
and yes I am a nerd also. On many many levels. Now off to level up some where!
Leaf, you there?
James suggested this a while back (and I forgot about it until now), but what happened to Avarom under elvish influence?
Not much. When Winter ended, the Elves left. So, they tended to the sick, helped feed them, etc. Nothing too major.
But this depends on James' planned reaction. What is going to happen next?
So... do you want to be found?
@Raven: Is now a good time for a meeting, given that both of our locations seem rather ambiguous? Seeing as you are currently working on the undead with Thought, i wanted to check first. I can come back later however.
Yup. Feel free. Sa is still giddy and leaking divine energy after letting the Umbrage loose in the world, so it should be pretty easy to pin down.
Black /
Red - Regular looking, 3.5 / 4.0 Dragons
White - Legless, but with foreclaws
Azure - Armless, but with legs (so Wyvern or Drakelike)
Orange - Wingless, look like large crocodiles.
One is... a little tricky to reach, given that it is inside one of the Evil Monsters of Evil, but the other is literally sitting around in the middle of a field. Come on! Lets do it!
The monks in the sky put The Beacon in a building (The Sanctum), not to mention the bridges etc. that they've got anchoring the skymotes to each other.
community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/758...
So there's two AP of nourishes, minimum, between you and a drive by sun-swallowing.
(And also, that's the building with all the dragons in it... )
Yeah, Thought... probably best to address that. Otherwise I predict a lot of... indigestion.
Raven, you have... a bunch of dragon-kin waiting... we can help you with your... 'my kin have been swallowed' problem.
EDIT: Never mind. Been reading up on the skylander history and think I have an idea that doesn't necessitate destorying the Sanctuary, while still (hopefully) pissing off those dragons.
On another note, Topheh, might I make a case for special AP considerations? While I only posted once ingame, I'd like to point out that there was a lot of out of game posting regarding getting ingame stuff right. That was still contributing to the ingame world, just in a slightly more indirect manner. Also, it is a little hard to post in game when one isn't sure if one's previous post will have to be rewritten.
If that's not enough to get 5AP this week, I'll certainly make do, but I thought it might be worth asking.
Ah, sorry, missed that (and the origin of the Quickening -- I had wondered where that come from). But that begs the question: how attached are you to the Sanctuary, Raven?
EDIT: Never mind. Been reading up on the skylander history and think I have an idea that doesn't necessitate destorying the Sanctuary, while still (hopefully) pissing off those dragons.
Sorry, I went to bed, then off to work.
I actually liked the idea of the godbeast accidentally ingesting the Azure Dragons. I'd like to propose that you did, in fact, swallow the Sanctum (SANCTUM) when you nixed the sun.
Also, would it kill you to go a month without altering the cosmology :P
Anywho, yes, it would kill me to go a month without altering the cosmoloy. Luckily, after this, I think that the basic nature of everything should be set. Several of the suns will probably be restored, and there probably wont be a toxic burning mountain in the sky. Probably, but I can't make any promises.
And finally, is it important to say that the island was swallowed? If not, we could just saw that a bunch of dragons were swarming around the sun, and got swallowed along with.
Wait, is it Sanctuary or Sanctum? Or sancta sanctorum? Your OOC post makes it seems like Sanctum, but your IC posts (suc has this one: community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/758...) make it seem like its Sanctuary.
Anywho, yes, it would kill me to go a month without altering the cosmoloy. Luckily, after this, I think that the basic nature of everything should be set. Several of the suns will probably be restored, and there probably wont be a toxic burning mountain in the sky. Probably, but I can't make any promises.
And finally, is it important to say that the island was swallowed? If not, we could just saw that a bunch of dragons were swarming around the sun, and got swallowed along with.
Ah, blast. I guess the error is mine, then. Old-me called it the Sanctuary. Present-me called it the Sanctum. I like the Sanctum better, so I'm inclined to retcon it to that.
As to the island - I don't think there *was* one. It was built to house the sun / Beacon, which was, by definition, not anchored to an earthmote / island at all, and since it was built with loads of psionic magic, a sky mote wouldn't (necessarily) be required in the first place.
So no islands to worry about, if that's your fear.
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And where are the angels, Pen? Are they still about?
Anyway, the beginning of next month I should have a lot of time to set aside for editting the wiki and just catching up on whats happening in the world. I may also stat a few monsters, as well as Pruinus and The Horned Knight.
ascendedjames.deviantart.com/art/Agni-Ea...
Obviously this is unfinished and needs a lot more polish. (The left horns still need filling with base colour :L) Still, thoughts?
I've been viewing Topheh's original image of the three metallic, flaming masks and my image is deviating from that quite a bit, but I wouldn't want to just recreate another image. I'm especially hoping to give Agni a bit of a creepy look, considering his callous nature and sometimes sinister actions.
@Pen: What happened to all the angels? I was hoping to see more of them...
@ Raven: Sorry, but could you give me a quick run down on all the differences between Divine magic and normal magic again? I would like to make use of it, but I don't want to jump the gun.
@James: Fine. Keep your promises. Just know that one day, Timmy will be mine.
He.
Will.
Be.
Mine.
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@ Raven: Sorry, but could you give me a quick run down on all the differences between Divine magic and normal magic again? I would like to make use of it, but I don't want to jump the gun.
Certainly.
Divine magic is fueled by faith, and practicers of divine magic are Divinists. When a being has strong faith, it matters not in what, as long as they have faith in it, they are able to draw Mana directly from Sa to power their magicks. Divine magic must be invoked through the use of flowers, flower-based implements, such as plant-dyes, or carved metals(e.g) into the likeness of flowers. Each worshiped god has an associated flower that provides an especially strong conduit. (So you should pick a flower!)
The amount of Mana Divinists can channel from Sa is proportional to their inner reserves, but like Primal Spirits of Primal Magic, Sa simply refuses to power spells that would doom their casters.
Also, I believe it's your turn at The Moot? We've given the "Proof" the blacks asked for, I think.
All, on the matter of Timmy, how long do you suppose we have left on this LoC?
I wanted Timmy's development into a badass hero to be quite the journey, and I'm just wondering how much time I have left to make that happen. I don't want him to start smoking cigars and dishing out one liners just yet.
@ Raven: Sorry, but could you give me a quick run down on all the differences between Divine magic and normal magic again? I would like to make use of it, but I don't want to jump the gun.
Certainly.
Divine magic is fueled by faith, and practicers of divine magic are Divinists. When a being has strong faith, it matters not in what, as long as they have faith in it, they are able to draw Mana directly from Sa to power their magicks. Divine magic must be invoked through the use of flowers, flower-based implements, such as plant-dyes, or carved metals(e.g) into the likeness of flowers. Each worshiped god has an associated flower that provides an especially strong conduit. (So you should pick a flower!)
The amount of Mana Divinists can channel from Sa is proportional to their inner reserves, but like Primal Spirits of Primal Magic, Sa simply refuses to power spells that would doom their casters.
Also, I believe it's your turn at The Moot? We've given the "Proof" the blacks asked for, I think.
Forgive me if this sounds rude, but as for creating a setting in which people will want to play various characters, I don't really like this handling of Divine Magic.
Let's say that someone wishes to create a Invoker who worships Zebus or a Paladin devoted to Leaf, it just seems somewhat odd that there power would come from Sa, rather then the god they actually choose to worship.
Granted, Divine Power comes from Faith which does not necessarily have to be faith in a deity or creature, but could be a concept such as Freedom or Peace, then I still think that it would be better for their power to come from a more general "Faith energy" of some kind, rather then forcing them to draw power from Sa.
I also don't like the idea of divine implements having to be flowers, I'd much prefer it to be any item which in some way embodies the object of the Divinists faith. A divinist who places his faith in freedom could channel his powers through the broken shackles of a slave, perhaps?
My main dislike of the current Divine power source is that all concepts are restricted to drawing their power from Sa, even if the concept or the divinist themselves opposed or were at odds with Sa.
And where are the angels, Pen? Are they still about?
That is an excellent question. There were your Corrupted Angels (aka, craterspawn), and I don't know about them, and then the Angels of Death that, really, only got a few posts about (I think only one from their creater, FF6), which I also don't know anything about. As for guardian angels. Um.. I'd assume that the ones in the crater were largely destroyed when it went crazy there. There were others elsewhere, but nothing specific. They're probably still about, hanging out where there is life, trying to protect it.
Truth told, I've been feeling less motivation to post since around the time of Agni cleansing the world with flame, as many people drop out such as Alturius and Urru, both of whom I was beginning to create interesting relationships with. I'll probably stick around a little longer because I have really liked certain points of this game and I wish to continue doing the illustrations (Slowly) and I'll probably finish my parts of the Wiki as I said I would do that.
But yeah, I'm busy right now and I'll keep checking the thread, but currently there are no plot arcs that really inspire me to add anything too, and I'm getting bored of making posts that exist in Pruinus own little world which effect and involve no-one else.
I know that's all my stuff. I can't speak for others, but I've been hesitent to interact with what you've been creating/doing because you seemed to have limited time and a specific story to tell. I mean, a giant egg fell right into the middle of Nix territory/the crown, then the sun fell on that, then giant monsters hatched out of them and went rampaging, all without a notice from Pruinus or your characters. To me, I guess, that means you have plans and I shouldn't mess with them.
I'm rambling, but I just mean that I hope you find reason to stay around
Thought, just to be clear, James, right now there is a divine battle going on that I'm hoping will draw the gods together and promote interaction between them.
Anywho, that said, since I'm an antagonist, would you like me to work on an antagonist for Timmy? I'd love to brainstorm some potential conflicts or storylines with you for him. Maybe a nix fox who raises Timmy's family as zombies. Or perhaps a childhood bully who grew up and still wants to put the Legendary Hero, Timmy Bushytail, in his place? Or maybe the beautiful Susan Silkyfur has been put under a curse and only Timmy can release her?
Also, if what has happened is too much to catch up on, skip it, and rejoin in media res! You'll figure out what happened while you weren't paying attention. I had sent Onus to talk to Pruinus at one point. We could flavor your/Pruinus' amnesia as him doing something bad to you, then you can find out what is what ingame.
Really, what I've done in the past when either a) out of ideas or b) lost is to just send some random character of mine towards some distant location and just put a OOC tag on it saying 'who wants to interact?' Its never failed.
So... proposal: Timmy has just lost his family. Come to the eternal Volcano and get an Agni'Vohda assassin to join him!
Forgive me if this sounds rude, but as for creating a setting in which people will want to play various characters, I don't really like this handling of Divine Magic.
Let's say that someone wishes to create a Invoker who worships Zebus or a Paladin devoted to Leaf, it just seems somewhat odd that there power would come from Sa, rather then the god they actually choose to worship.
Granted, Divine Power comes from Faith which does not necessarily have to be faith in a deity or creature, but could be a concept such as Freedom or Peace, then I still think that it would be better for their power to come from a more general "Faith energy" of some kind, rather then forcing them to draw power from Sa.
I also don't like the idea of divine implements having to be flowers, I'd much prefer it to be any item which in some way embodies the object of the Divinists faith. A divinist who places his faith in freedom could channel his powers through the broken shackles of a slave, perhaps?
My main dislike of the current Divine power source is that all concepts are restricted to drawing their power from Sa, even if the concept or the divinist themselves opposed or were at odds with Sa.
Forgive me if this sounds rude in return, but, why does it matter if the power comes from Sa?
It's not explicitly known that Sa is the source of divine magic, it's just "known" that to practice Divine Magic, you need to use a flower, just like it's "known" that there are 7 suns, and they orbit the planet, or that it's "known" that gaining experience causes one to "level up", as you added.
The whole concept of divine magic being based on Faith, instead of being parceled out by individual gods, means it does not matter if an individual works against Sa, Azgo, or the entire pantheon -- As long as they believe in the power of, say, Freedom, they can use Divine Magic.
It's not an active effect, just a passive aspect of the god. Agni dribbles magma wherever he goes. Sa grants the faithful (any faithful) Divine Magic.
Stick me all you care to, you might not like the result though.
Funny. The last time that happened, I thought it was Zebus who disliked the result.
Question: lets say that Leaf, or Azgo, or Pruinus wanted to specifically teach a mortal how to draw power from them instead of from Sa. Is there anything stopping them? Other than, you know, the setting not working that way at present?
Nope!
But Sa is god of magic. I think that holding that Domain gives Sa the ability to meter off bits of divine magic in small, mortal-sized portions, a finesse that other gods might inherently lack.
There's nothing to stop folks from teaching non-divine magic, though, like Prunious did with Primal, Agni did with Pyromancy (Subset of Arcane, by the sound of it), or Zebus did with Shadow.
EDIT: Speaking of which, Pen, I'm curious: is Father Thorn (can I call him FT?) supposed to be Leaf or something else? Or is that a reveal you're building up to.
"He grabbed the two gods, his fire-hardened thorns piercing even diamonds and teasing out magma, and hauled them off. Far off, to the west, past the crown, into the badlands, too fast to notice the sun burried there or the god seeking it, and into the might-be forest of forgotten dreams." being the relevant line.
Like Agni did with Pyromancy (Subset of Arcane, by the sound of it)
It is... and it isn't. I guess I should run this by you and see if you don't like it.
Basically, it is working off of the now several-times-established notion that all fire is linked to the Source of Flame, of which Agni is a manifestation (remind me to officially start his Church... I've got a Lot of theology for them bouncing around in my head).
The core of the idea is that Pyromancy is either possible as a paragon or epic tier modification of an arcane magic class, or a more 'default' arcane class for a fire-based being (who, I feel, are, like Agni, lesser manifestations of the Source). When an arcane mage reaches very high levels, he/she is capable of discovering and tapping into this Source in a limited way, primarially by the simple manipulation of the flame in question, but at the highest levels by using the soul of the caster to quite literally manipulate the link which all flames share with the Source.
EDIT: Forgotten, at first I thought your character was just trying to hide even though he had a continent seperating him from the beast.
Like Agni did with Pyromancy (Subset of Arcane, by the sound of it)
It is... and it isn't. I guess I should run this by you and see if you don't like it.
Basically, it is working off of the now several-times-established notion that all fire is linked to the Source of Flame, of which Agni is a manifestation (remind me to officially start his Church... I've got a Lot of theology for them bouncing around in my head).
The core of the idea is that Pyromancy is either possible as a paragon or epic tier modification of an arcane magic class, or a more 'default' arcane class for a fire-based being (who, I feel, are, like Agni, lesser manifestations of the Source). When an arcane mage reaches very high levels, he/she is capable of discovering and tapping into this Source in a limited way, primarially by the simple manipulation of the flame in question, but at the highest levels by using the soul of the caster to quite literally manipulate the link which all flames share with the Source.
Gotcha. Let's call it "Elemental" Magic, in the general case, then (pulling in mana from the elemental plane).
And, of course, since only Fire seems to have a plane of its own, all Elemental magic is Pyromancy! For now! Dun dun dun!
I know that's all my stuff. I can't speak for others, but I've been hesitent to interact with what you've been creating/doing because you seemed to have limited time and a specific story to tell. I mean, a giant egg fell right into the middle of Nix territory/the crown, then the sun fell on that, then giant monsters hatched out of them and went rampaging, all without a notice from Pruinus or your characters. To me, I guess, that means you have plans and I shouldn't mess with them.
Nope, that means I had absolutelty no idea that was happening at all.
The main thing putting me off is the fact I just don't have a clue whats going on right now and by the time I catch up it will be gone. They could possibly be something effecting the Nix race and by the time I'm aware it happened, All chance for me to effect the outcome has gone.
Anywho, that said, since I'm an antagonist, would you like me to work on an antagonist for Timmy? I'd love to brainstorm some potential conflicts or storylines with you for him. Maybe a nix fox who raises Timmy's family as zombies. Or perhaps a childhood bully who grew up and still wants to put the Legendary Hero, Timmy Bushytail, in his place? Or maybe the beautiful Susan Silkyfur has been put under a curse and only Timmy can release her?
I believe that I sent you a message about some of our old plans for Pruinus to be imprisoned by some form of God/Godbeast and the Nix Heroes (Now just Timmy) were meant to rescue her. I'd still love to do something of that kind, although whether it should be allowed for a single mortal to hold his own against such power would make any sense plot-wise.
So... proposal: Timmy has just lost his family. Come to the eternal Volcano and get an Agni'Vohda assassin to join him!
I had a few different ideas on Timmy interacting with others, specifically Koga (Both lost loved ones, could form an interesting relationship) and I was going to sent Nix to the eternal volcano to try and form some friendship between the two and forget old wrongs their respective gods did to each other (Agni searing the Nix, Pruinus harming the Agni'Vohda with Winter)
Also that said.... I think Winter should be over now...
Well thanks for the replies, makes me a lot more interested in joining in some more. I kind of want to make my own "Cyromancy" magic line to mirror Agni's Pyromancy, yet as Agni described pyromancy using heat energy, I have no idea how Cyromancy might function. If my science is correct (A good chance there) cold is nothing but lack of heat energy and Cyromancy would be manipulating nothingness essentially?
Just declare this:
BEHOLD! A plane of divine cold, which seeks out the warmth of the living and strangles it in tendrils of living ice! And those attuned to it can summon forth its might!
Okay, please make a sentient Exarch that is a massive ice-snake. Thanks!
They could possibly be something effecting the Nix race and by the time I'm aware it happened, All chance for me to effect the outcome has gone.
Is there a way you'd like us to let you know? Like, say, if I blow up the Crown, and I think that might be something that interest you, do you want me to PM you with a brief note to that effect? Maybe post to the OOC about it and highlight your name? Etc?
I believe that I sent you a message about some of our old plans for Pruinus to be imprisoned by some form of God/Godbeast and the Nix Heroes (Now just Timmy) were meant to rescue her. I'd still love to do something of that kind, although whether it should be allowed for a single mortal to hold his own against such power would make any sense plot-wise.
Oh it totally would make sense. The key is just figuring out what the hero is good at, and how that can be used to defeat the beast. Often times, this is most emotionally effective if it is something that the Hero did when we first see him/her. For example, I read a book about a mortician. Early in the book, the mortician was embalming a body. Late in the book, he defeated a serial killer by using the embalming tools. The climax mirrored that early character establishing scene. It might seem like a trick or a formula, but it can be very satisfying.
When would you like us to start moving along with this plot?
It can be whatever you want! Pruinus is not the not-Agni, so why should Cold be the 'Not-Fire'?
James could also take the route that there's an emotion or abstract concept that manifests as ice. Adaptation was an early theme for Pruinus, so perhaps Cryomancy focuses on challenging that abstract concept, which manifests in the material realm as cold and ice. The magician doesn't so much manipulate cold as they manipulate what the cold represents.
(Forgotten begins to picture Joran wandering through the side gate, examining the few infesting weeds, and returning with the neccessary tools... only for him to toss those aside, douse the garden in lighter fluid and light a match.
"There aren't any more weeds, Forgotten! That'll be $50 now. Cash only.)
...if I had one that is.
Joran, I was just trying to make sure I understood your post before I responded, not that you needed to change it. I am very sorry that you thought I was trying to get you to change your post, and certainly sorry that you decided to remove all your posts (I was rather enjoying the interactions). Indeed, I was hoping that you'd confirm that indeed you had meant to be attacking the behemoth from across the continent. That seemed cool, just unlikely (and so I had wanted to make sure you meant what you appeared to mean).
As there is no undelete post button, what has been deleted can no longer be undeleted. Now we must live with my lack of participation. As I said Thought, you made yourself a compelling enough argument.
As for your IC posts, alas, they seem to be missing now, so I can't review them to see what I might have missed.
As for your OOC post saying that location wasn't important, allow me to illustrate why I thought it was important, and so why, in turn, I tried to clarify. Let us say that Zebus were with the Godbeast, and just shouting all the way to Leaf and Agni. The godbeast would then attack Zebus immediately. But if instead Zebus was with Leaf and Agni, and was decaying the Godbeast from afar, it would have tried to track Zebus down, bringing it to the gods that had just escaped it. If instead Zebus was somewhere else completely, the beast would have tried to track Zebus there, not attacking him immediately, and not finding Leaf and Agni. Where Zebus was dictates what sort of response the godbeast would have had.
You might still disagree with my reason for attempting to clarify. That is fair enough, but hopefully you can see why I might have wanted to know where Zebus was, and why I tried to make sure I had the right understanding. It appears that I did not, and that my misunderstanding was taken as grounds for you to delete your posts. As such, again, I apologize.
And finally, the thing is, I didn't intend to make an argument, so I am sorry that you 1) interpreted what I said as an argument and 2) that you found such an "argument" compelling enough to delete some really fun posts.
And in case the other stuff I said obscured this point, allow me to reiterate: I am sorry that what I said was taken as an argument against your posts, and I am sorry that such prompted you to delete your posts. I did not wish to be antagonistic (which is perhaps a little ironic, considering I do mean TASOE to be an antagonist), and I apologize if I came across that way.
EDIT: Yeah, can't bring deleted posts back, but I still wanted to apologize to you.
It might be a good idea to explain what it is that you are trying to do. At the moment, your Godbeasts are just rampaging all around and beating up Gods and making red orb things and I don't think anyone has any idea how to respond. What are they trying to do? How can we stop them? I think the nature of TASOE (to be silent) has led to the current state where suddenly the players (not the Gods, the Gods SHOULD be surprised) are set upon and had no idea it was coming . By contrast, Azgo's constant shouting at the air about how he was going to invade the world and IT WAS GOING TO BE A MASSACRE made his apocolypse, although no less overwhelming, more palatable.
I guess what I am saying is: In the future, more EVIL MONOLOGUES! And in the present... maybe an OOC explanation would be good?
One concern from my end: Are your creatures immortal and capable of fighting long after their wounds would have stopped others, including the Gods themselves, or are they impervious to being damaged at all? I ask because I dealt SIGNIFICANT damage to your Godmountain that appears to have had no effect, as you reappeared seemingly whole and intact and proceeded to start crushing things again.
I'm fine with the idea that the Godmonsters are powerful. I'm fine with the idea that, one on one, they are capable of defeating a God. That lends tension to the game... but when your creature defeats not one but two gods and a combat exarch and ends up without a scratch on him? That is... worrisome. How are we supposed to get to the God-Heart if we can't hurt the thing that has swallowed it?
But that is merely my opinion, and only as worthy or worthless as you deem.
So, evil OOC Monologue Time!
A while ago I suggested that I'd create three evil monsters that were designed to counter the then remaining First Gods (Agni, Pruinus, and Zebus, as Leaf was by all in game knowledge, dead). The idea there was that it would force the gods to work together, because Agni and his opposite could only fight to a standstill, but Agni could fight the others fine. So, they'd have to coordinate.
That basic idea developed into the Behemoth (fire), the Leviathan (ice), and the Zizu (death). I upped the stakes by making them "immortal" via an 8ap artifact (and to note, this artifact would hopefully be used later as the heart of the labrynth James and I discussed a few weeks ago). The artifact makes the creatures immortal by "locking" their lifeforce safely away, where damage to their body can't affect it. The key to "unlocking" the artifact, and thus allowing these godbeast to be defeated, is the level of discord among the gods (namely, the less, the better).
Where is this artifact? Actually, I don't know. I do know it isn't within the godbeasts themselves. But Seg knows. He had it last, and hid it. Other exarchs might know it too. Here's a list of my "exarch"s currently: Artun, Seg, Umbra, Altruis, Onus (well, the Behemoth, Leviathan, and Zizu count, but they're largely dumb beasts). I know that Agni has a reason to suspect that Artun is connected to the Behemoth, and everyone suspects that Seg's a bad egg. Azgo knows Umbra and Altruis, and I'd think that if gods encountered devistating beasts, they'd also think of Azgo. Though, I haven't been able to figure out how to draw Azgo into the conflict directly. Forgotten said that Azgo doesn't want the world destroyed, or ruled by TASOE, so that might be a leverage.
A god could also try to find Tasoe himself. I'm not really sure where he is, but if someone tries, I'd figure it out. As for his motivation, he's supposed to be a general evil dark lord. Sauron works as an evil lord because we never see him much, or understand his reasons. He's the evil that its fine to hate. Unlike Azgo, whom I, personally, find very sympathetic. He's evil, but in a way that I hope will have his redemption (even though I suspect he wont).
I actually talked to Forgotten about this the other day, and he said that it might work best to leave TASOE's motivation vague. But his end goals are to either destroy the world or rule it.
Then there are also the red orbs, which might be able to be an avenue of investigation. As I noted when I created them, they're essentially ticking time bombs. My goal is for them to be a threat to motivate people to action, while I intend for someone else to take control of them and use them as nourishes instead of harms. They're tied to the suns. Sort of like the dragonballs: collect them all and make a wish (as long as the wish is either for immense destruction or vast nourishing). But the orbs might give gods an idea that there is an intelligence behind the monsters that are leaving them.
Which brings us, finally, to the fight between the Behemoth and Agni/Ka'Voh. I am not sure you meant it as a criticism, but if not, you should have, because you would have had a good point: it's not right that the Behemoth came out so unscathed. Sorry, I really over did it. I'll go back and adjust the posts, although I will try to do so in a way that wont cause you or Forgotten to need to redo your posts.
That said, my goal in that fight was to communicate that brute force wasn't the answer. For one, in D&D terms, the Behemoth would have massive fire resistance, and a high degree of regeneration. Fire attacks would generally be quite ineffective. But also, I wanted to present it as unwinable so that the gods would be motivated to find another way. But again, it should have been more of a tie, rather than a one sided trouncing.
And THAT said, while I'd like brute force to not be the answer, it would be very valid is the gods just instead unmake all the stuff instead (I'd just ask that the artifact be unmade first). By my count, that would be 17AP. High, but if people really want to go the brute force route, it is possible.
On the topic of monologues,while Father Thorn has the memories of Leaf or Brother Branch, they are different avatars of life. Sort of like in Avatar: The Last Airbender. Korra is the reincarnation of the avatar, but she isn't Aang. I'm happy for the gods to have their own ideas of the reality, but I thought the players should know.
As the way things stand right now. I'm not happy. This is not cool.
You're unhappy? Okay, let's work together to see if we can figure out a solution that will satify everyone.
There are several options left to other players. 1) Do nothing. Consequences? Evil rules the prime material plane. If evil gods can live in a good or neutral setting, why can't good and neutral gods live in an evil setting? 2) Destory the monsters. Consequences? Spend AP. How is this significantly different than countering the Craterspawn invasion with AP? 3) Something I haven't thought of. I am quite open to ideas. Consequences: talking in the OOC and voicing our concerns when they come up, not two months later. 4) The gods investigate a mystery and work together, ultimately saving the world. Consequences: More divine interactions.
You seem to hate #4 with an passion that would make Agni jealous. Why? Right now, by my count, there is only one divine alliance, and that is between Sa and Azgo. Is it really too much to ask to have just one more alliance? Or forget alliances, what about a cease fire? Is it too much to ask for Agni and Seg to be able to be in the same room? Just because Leaf and Zebus hate each other, that doesn't mean that they can't work together. I'm not even asking for a long term working relationship. Is it really too much to ask that they swallow their pride for a few minutes to save the world?
Maybe it is too much to ask. So, in turn, I ask you what your thoughts are on how to address this issue.
So, evil OOC Monologue Time!
Which brings us, finally, to the fight between the Behemoth and Agni/Ka'Voh. I am not sure you meant it as a criticism, but if not, you should have, because you would have had a good point: it's not right that the Behemoth came out so unscathed. Sorry, I really over did it. I'll go back and adjust the posts, although I will try to do so in a way that wont cause you or Forgotten to need to redo your posts.
1) Thanks. This helped me come to terms with everything that is going on. I, for one, missed that Seg had taken the heart away from the Leviathan, so I was trying to come up with a way for the Leviathan to swallow us in order to... address... that. Speaking of: Raven, Thought, don't forget that the Behemoth has a large number of grouchy dragons trapped in its throat.
2) Yeah, that was a criticism couched in a concern. You turned me into a GEMSTONE! I WANT CARNAGE IN RETURN!
I've been looking at my posts, trying to figure out how to adjust them, and I think that the best thing would be for me, Topheh, and Forgotten to delete our relevant posts (or portions there of) after #534 (community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/758...), and then just simply start over. Zebus can show up again, or not, as Joran wants. That said, I hope Zebus will show up. I really like his and "Leaf's" interactions.
I also hope that Zebus shows up... I was enjoying giving him a tongue-lashing for being hard to find... particularly since Agni was not trying to find him in the slightest (Agni's sense of... well, everything, is highly flammable. You don't show up when he isn't looking for you? Must be your fault! :P) That said, yeah, especially if Thought is modifying his posts we should delete and restart.
Now, you are not only forcing forces that usually not only don't go together, but usually wont work together, but you are now by your own words forcing players to use and spend AP to deal with your work or let the world end. The reason why Leaf and Zebus's interactions are so much fun is the simple fact that they hate each other. Pruinus and Agni don't get along, but tolerate each other's existence. Forcing extremes to work together is ok... but forcing players to spend AP just so that we can continue on playing? That's not ok in my book. And the way I see it is you are leaving only 3 options: RP'd brute force which we have already seen isn't very effective, Let the world end and thus end the LoC, or spend AP do unmake your artifact. I'm not comfortable with any of those choices Thought.
As the way things stand right now. I'm not happy. This is not cool.
But... isn't this what all the LoCs ever are? God X does something with AP and unless we respond through the spending of AP, that thing happens as God X intends? Azgo went and stormed around the world a few months back and our options were either let the world/LoC end or spend AP to turn the battle around?
Plus, there are MANY more options for this artifact than just 'destroy.' I, personally, have one in mind that will make Thought rue the day he ever created it! (bwahahaa!)
Is it too much to ask for Agni and Seg to be able to be in the same room?
Waaaaiiiit a moment. Seg is like... right next to where Agni is right now. Ooooooooh, time for fireworks!
In all seriousness, though, some of this is my fault, for which I apologize. I've been falling behind on the story, which means that for people who have a busy week or two, as I know Joran and James have had, it can be hard to keep up with everything that is going on in the world. Heck, I can barely keep up myself and I'm the one RECORDING the story... and doing a not great job of it at the present moment.
I think what this has revealed is something that we've always known... communication in this game is absolutely vital if we are going to tell the sort of stories that we all want to get told. Obviously, I don't want the OOC thread to just be a summary of what we are planning to do in the IC (This week, Timmy is going to stub his toe, then eat porridge! He's then going to discover that Susan Silkytail has been talking about him, and this is going to make him blush!) but I would like to brainstorm some ways to make sure that major game events, particularly ones that are being built up to over time, are documented here regularly.
I *really* don't want to give myself extra work, but one possibility would be for me or another admin to get a weekly update of major plans for each God coming up and then compile them so people know what is on people's minds.
Someone else come up with a better idea that doesn't eat up more of my time, though :P (Honestly, that wouldn't take up that much time... I'm happy to do it if people think it is a good idea)
1. Pruinus travelling the world (however carefully) has caused many more mortals to recognize her and worship her, to the extent that she now also siphons off power to those who worship her. Those who directly worship, as well as those who believe in adaptability or challenge is important in life siphon their power from Pruinus instead of Sa. Hopefully Raven will be okay with this, if not it won't happen. On a mechanical note, Divine characters who worship Pruinus can choose to do Cold damage as opposed to Radiant on their major features (The Paladin's Divine Challenge being the best example I can think of, maybe At-Will Powers too)
2. Timmy will encounter Nix travvellers on their way up the Eternal Volcano to make negotiations with the Agni'Vohda. He'll join them for a while, having nowhere else to go.
3. The Nix will attempt to establish a peace and kinship between themselves and the Agni'Vohda, despite their past differences.
4. The Horned Knight will materialize into the world as he recognizes the Godbeast as a threat to the natural way of things. He will fight The Godbeast until one of them falls. If Ka'Voh is around when the Godbeast is defeated, The Horned Knight will brand him an abomination of nature and attack him, possibly causing a lot of trouble with the talks between Agni'Vohda and Nix.
5. Pruinus will join the fight against the Godbeast, and after that will leave to find Leaf if he hasn't appeared by then. She'll most likely wish to check that her modifications to his rules are okay.
6. The Primal Spirits will attempt to use the Fallen Sun in the middle of the fields (If it's still there) to create another Draconic race, but one that can help bridge the gap between the mortal races and Dragons. This race will be the Dragonborn, and will hoepfully form a bridge between the two groups of creatures.
I won't necessarily be doing things in that order or exactly as mentioned, but I've put this up so that if anything here isn't possible, someone else will point it out hopefully. And as Topheh said, maybe this makes things a little easier.
That said, sharing our plans in the OOC thread makes sense. Perhaps we can have a tag to help people who have little time to find the relevant discussions? And maybe with a line underneath saying who we think might be interested. So if I thought I was doing something that either Pruinus would be interested in, or that James might object to, as well as Sa/Raven, I'd start the post of with the following:
*Plans*
James, Raven
Thoughts?
Anywho, moving on:
James, I was planning on having Seg snatch that sun, but your idea for it is far far superior to my own. That said, Seg's still right on top of it. Perhaps he can grab it, then Pruinus might get it from him later?
James & Raven, (and anyone else interested in Divine Magic), perhaps a more complex system of Divine Magic can be set up to satisfy everyone? I was thinking of something along the lines that Sa's power does the majority of the heavy lifting for generic divine spells (such as cure light wounds), with a specific god adding a trickle of power to customize the effect. For example, Cure Light Wounds would be 95% Sa, and 5%, say, Pruinus. Pruinus's power gives it the appropriate effects (leave the body cold, coats the ground nearby in frost, etc). It contrast, domain spells would come primarily from the associated god or power source. So, worship Pruinus, and a Cleric gets access to Pruinus' Icy Bolt of Cold Pointy Death. The power for that comes 95% from Pruinus, and 5% from Sa.
Thoughts?
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As noted, I tried to add damage to the godbeast while not require Topheh or Forgotten to edit their posts in turn.
2. Timmy will encounter Nix travvellers on their way up the Eternal Volcano to make negotiations with the Agni'Vohda. He'll join them for a while, having nowhere else to go.
3. The Nix will attempt to establish a peace and kinship between themselves and the Agni'Vohda, despite their past differences.
Just a reminder that the Agni'Vohda have become... particular... while in their self-imposed exile, and demand offerings if you want to talk to them. Also, the proper place to speak to them is the... oh, I don't remember what its called, but its a glass and stone platform that extends out over the caldera of the Eternal Volcano itself.
4. The Horned Knight will materialize into the world as he recognizes the Godbeast as a threat to the natural way of things. He will fight The Godbeast until one of them falls. If Ka'Voh is around when the Godbeast is defeated, The Horned Knight will brand him an abomination of nature and attack him, possibly causing a lot of trouble with the talks between Agni'Vohda and Nix.
I don't see how this would offend the Agni'Vohda. Ka'Vah was very, very unpleasant company the last time they interacted!
6. The Primal Spirits will attempt to use the Fallen Sun in the middle of the fields (If it's still there) to create another Draconic race, but one that can help bridge the gap between the mortal races and Dragons. This race will be the Dragonborn, and will hoepfully form a bridge between the two groups of creatures.
Oh good. I wanted that orb to be used. Dragonborn is pushing the original AP expenditure (which was explicitly for chromatic dragons), but... its fine by me.
Topheh, I think the formal Admin Plan Update Compendium idea will be more work than its worth. Looking back over the few things people have had issues over, only Raven's creation of lying magic and my latest evil plot seem like they'd have made the list. I'm not sure if Raven had it planned at the beginning of that week, and mine was discussed in the OOC ahead of time anywho (although, perhaps too far ahead of time). In short, it seems unlikely to prevent these issues, while adding a lot of work to the admins.
Well, I'm glad someone is telling me to stop :P
Okay, I may not respond for a while on the IC thread as I have a tendency to take a while writing my entries, but I've made the effort to read the IC last few pages and I plan to do these things.
1. Pruinus travelling the world (however carefully) has caused many more mortals to recognize her and worship her, to the extent that she now also siphons off power to those who worship her. Those who directly worship, as well as those who believe in adaptability or challenge is important in life siphon their power from Pruinus instead of Sa. Hopefully Raven will be okay with this, if not it won't happen. On a mechanical note, Divine characters who worship Pruinus can choose to do Cold damage as opposed to Radiant on their major features (The Paladin's Divine Challenge being the best example I can think of, maybe At-Will Powers too)
I'm not opposed to it in principle, but reserve my final position for when I see the post in question, as "I want my worshippers to get their magic from me" feels like a meta game-y goal in the first place.
Pruinous gaining power from those worshipping her? That sounds pretty cool. (And in case it was under contention, Sa isn't doing anything with the worship).
Mortals siphoning power from Pruinus? This is where I hesitate. Again, it's fine in principle, but I want a strong, in-story reason for this, since it's not necessary to cast magic (they're already using the magic). I like Thought's suggestion of some from Prunius, some from Sa much better than simple substitution.
I might suggest a combination of Toph and Thought's ideas, where Prunius spends AP to make herself a conduit to The Source for cold, creating Cold (Ice / whatever) Elemental Magic, and then, those who worship Prunius weave the Divine and Elemental Magicks together, whether knowingly or not.
Looking back over the few things people have had issues over, only Raven's creation of lying magic and my latest evil plot seem like they'd have made the list. I'm not sure if Raven had it planned at the beginning of that week, and mine was discussed in the OOC ahead of time anywho (although, perhaps too far ahead of time). In short, it seems unlikely to prevent these issues, while adding a lot of work to the admins.
That said, sharing our plans in the OOC thread makes sense. Perhaps we can have a tag to help people who have little time to find the relevant discussions? And maybe with a line underneath saying who we think might be interested. So if I thought I was doing something that either Pruinus would be interested in, or that James might object to, as well as Sa/Raven, I'd start the post of with the following:
Eh? It was ff6shadow whom made the Deception (DECEPTION) Not-Magic, not me. But yes, I feel that might have ended less... absolutely had it been discussed in the OOC thread in more than a semantic sense.
Though, I haven't been able to figure out how to draw Azgo into the conflict directly. Forgotten said that Azgo doesn't want the world destroyed, or ruled by TASOE, so that might be a leverage.
I just wanted to elaborate on this, given that we are on the subject of motivation.
If all the world powers are playing cards for creation, Azgo refuses to let any single entity aside from himself hold an overwhelming hand. The last thing he wants is to defeat all the Firstborn only to be crushed and left as second-best. So, if that means slipping a Firstborn an ace under the table, fine, gladly in fact. But when the golden opportunity presents itself, Azgo will not hesitate to knock another player out of th game. Overall, he plays to win and nothing less. He will keep promises when profitable and sometimes when they are not, but honor will not comprimise vengence.
Hope that makes sense.
As each one is tied to a sun, perhaps it might be more interesting if each orb was 'controllable' by the owner of that particular sun, as opposed to an all or nothing proposition?
Okay, I may not respond for a while on the IC thread as I have a tendency to take a while writing my entries, but I've made the effort to read the IC last few pages and I plan to do these things.
1. Pruinus travelling the world (however carefully) has caused many more mortals to recognize her and worship her, to the extent that she now also siphons off power to those who worship her. Those who directly worship, as well as those who believe in adaptability or challenge is important in life siphon their power from Pruinus instead of Sa. Hopefully Raven will be okay with this, if not it won't happen. On a mechanical note, Divine characters who worship Pruinus can choose to do Cold damage as opposed to Radiant on their major features (The Paladin's Divine Challenge being the best example I can think of, maybe At-Will Powers too)
I'm not opposed to it in principle, but reserve my final position for when I see the post in question, as "I want my worshippers to get their magic from me" feels like a meta game-y goal in the first place.
Pruinous gaining power from those worshipping her? That sounds pretty cool. (And in case it was under contention, Sa isn't doing anything with the worship).
Mortals siphoning power from Pruinus? This is where I hesitate. Again, it's fine in principle, but I want a strong, in-story reason for this, since it's not necessary to cast magic (they're already using the magic). I like Thought's suggestion of some from Prunius, some from Sa much better than simple substitution.
I might suggest a combination of Toph and Thought's ideas, where Prunius spends AP to make herself a conduit to The Source for cold, creating Cold (Ice / whatever) Elemental Magic, and then, those who worship Prunius weave the Divine and Elemental Magicks together, whether knowingly or not.
In truth the fact is that I am playing this game from a world-building point of view, specifically to be used in an RP setting. Some people are playing just for the fun, and that is of course fine. Some are playing from the point of view that this work could be adapted into any game or RP with the right effort. Of course, fine. I'm personally playing from the point that this can easily be adapted to a D&D 4E Campaign, and with a little work can be used to run in other games.
I'm simply wishing that divine power comes from the god must closely related to what the mortal places their faith in. It allows future players to have more options then "You're a Divine Character? Your power comes from Sa" and I honestly don't like the idea of a single god running a monoploy on an entire power source. Sure, Primal Magic all comes from the primal spirits, but they're billions and are in a state of neutrality, as long as the balance of nature isn't upset too much. I have myself been mulling over the idea of creating Cyromancy specifically for Divinists of Pruinus, I'm not sure how I want to do that yet but it is on my agenda. As I've stated before, my draw into this game was to create a RP Setting which people can actually use and I'm trying to create a world with plenty of options, and I've always looked at my actions from a gameplay point of view of what it might meant for players. I'm not trying to gain AP from this, just trying to give a more diverse amount of options to people who wish to play in this setting, which in truth is a meta-game goal but I hope one that has all the right reasons.
However, If you're not happy with me doing these things, I'll not do them. Simple as that.
On a related topic, do you have any ideas or thoughts on how these various types of magic may fit into a game mechanically? The idea of using Mana to cast spells doesn't really fit into the AEDU formula that 4E distributes its powers in. Are you interested in discussing mechanics on how this might play out in a game?
On a side note, divine power coming from the respective gods is old hat. It's been done before. A lot. If nothing else, Raven's system is new and fresh.
Additionally, when considering how magic fits into a D&D setting, I'd recommend considering Sanderson's Second Law, as well as the Donkey Law.
Sanderson's Second Law is that a magic systems limitations are more interesting than its abilities. I'd argue that its more interesting to limit divine magic to primarily coming from a single god than to have it open to all gods. And I'd argue that it is more interesting still to limit divine magic as sometimes coming from Sa, sometimes not, and sometimes in part. The more limits me have, the deeper the background, the richer the world.
The Donkey law (also called Taylor's First Law) is simple: If it's cheaper to do something by magic than to have the donkey do it, then you've just ruined your medieval economy.
Topheh, that could work well, but then TASOE would really want to steal that Volcano's sun, too. Are you okay with that? You can always return it later.
I'm simply wishing that divine power comes from the god must closely related to what the mortal places their faith in. It allows future players to have more options then "You're a Divine Character? Your power comes from Sa" and I honestly don't like the idea of a single god running a monoploy on an entire power source.
Unless I'm very much mistaken, this is how magic of *all* sorts was handled in the Forgotten Realms. (pre spellplague, anyway). When Mystra (the Midnight incarnation) was first feuding with Cyric, she denied his clerics the ability to cast magic. Since Mystra was god of Magic, there was nothing Cyric or his clerics could do.
Did divine characters in the forgotten realms have issues because their powers came from Mystra instead of their respective gods?
On a related topic, do you have any ideas or thoughts on how these various types of magic may fit into a game mechanically? The idea of using Mana to cast spells doesn't really fit into the AEDU formula that 4E distributes its powers in. Are you interested in discussing mechanics on how this might play out in a game?
Who says we're building for 4th edition? Settings should be, ideally, edition neutral.
I'm pretty sure that I touched on this earlier (though it would have been months ago), but the idea was 1st through 4th level spells (3.X Vancian Style spell levels) magic could be used frequently (N / encounter or the like), while 5-9th level spells were nearly impossible to cast.
Mechanically, it would mean you get X Spell levels to cast from per encounter, and you can only cast Y spell levels in a single casting (or else Bad Stuff Happens).
It works even better for 4th edition - encounter spells remain as is (perhaps you get an extra use of them in each encounter), while daily spells could only be spent with an action point (but you could cast as many daily spells as you had action points).
Hahahahahaha...
(wipes tear from eyes)
I found this hilarious:
Azgo, tired from his extended journey, returns to it to brood and recover.
Did Azgo suddenly lose his parents, become a billionare, and is now fighting crime in Gothom?
Brooding.... what a great word.
I'm simply wishing that divine power comes from the god must closely related to what the mortal places their faith in. It allows future players to have more options then "You're a Divine Character? Your power comes from Sa" and I honestly don't like the idea of a single god running a monoploy on an entire power source.
Unless I'm very much mistaken, this is how magic of *all* sorts was handled in the Forgotten Realms. (pre spellplague, anyway). When Mystra (the Midnight incarnation) was first feuding with Cyric, she denied his clerics the ability to cast magic. Since Mystra was god of Magic, there was nothing Cyric or his clerics could do.
Did divine characters in the forgotten realms have issues because their powers came from Mystra instead of their respective gods?
Ah well I'm not going to lie and say I'm familar with D&D settings, I am just reading the Forgotten Realms guides now. I still prefer the idea of having the option to have your power from a deity of your choosing, but others opinions outnumber mine so I shall say no more about it.
I'm not saying this setting should be for 4E (Although I may have worded it as such, my apologies) but I was asking what kind of system you have in mind for mana and casting magic.
... I still prefer the idea of having the option to have your power from a deity of your choosing...
Ooo. I know you didn't mean it this way, but it would be interesting if a cleric of, say, Leaf could choose to draw power from Zebus instead, so as to weaken one god (even if only a little) while leaving their preferred deity strong. Might have to become part of an evil plan, eventually.
EDIT: Also, gee, I really hope nothing untoward to those stars that might cause all those hot balls of magma to come crashing back down to earth.
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Great minds?
James:
Sounds good!
Topheh, Zebus, personally I think it would be cool if you guys eventually made seasons as well. Presumably Summer for Agni and Fall for Zebus.
But okay! I'll make a real season.
Sorry about this but it does look like I am going to drop out of this game after all.
Truth is, I'm terrible for procastination and I probably shouldn't have joined this game in the first place XD
Lately, it's been harder for me to keep track of events and I've been actively putting off more important things just to catch up with the LoC and I can't allow myself to do that anymore.
But enough of my lifestory XD
I'll still keep popping in with progress on my Agni (Which hasn't been worked in since I posted the latest version, because I've been reading the IC in my spare time :L) and I'd still love to do illustrations for other gods if you'll allow me.
I'd prefer Pruinus wasn't mindcontrolled by TASOE, but I have no probelms with her becoming a Exarch/Hero/Ally for someone else to use. Same goes for Timmy, whose fanbase far outnumbers Pruinus anyway.
Anyway, have fun with game and try not to fight too much over who gets to keep Timmy.
As for the drawings, keep on drawing!
This is going to get dark.
In all seriousness, though, sorry to see you go, James. As Joran said, pop on in anytime!
What if i killed you?
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In all seriousness, would you mind if I killed pruinus farther down the road so as to make Azgo's threat much more credible? Of course, that would make appearing later difficult, and you may not wish to see that sort of story unfold. I am fine with whatever you decide.
Speaking of which, now that Shadow returned and free gods from my evil power, I thought it would be a good time to draw public opinion. I had planned on taking control of Umbra again, and other players have urged me to take control of Altruis again, but I was planning on leaving Onus where he was. Crimson had wanted me to do something with his character, but I just am blanking on ideas. However, before I do any of this, are there objections, encouragements, or general thoughts on the matter?
I vote we attack the Leviathan with our dragons.
EDIT: Also, personally, I'd say that Pruinus is too awesome to die.
Also, there's also the whole "supressing 1 AP of super sun explosion harm" angle to consider.
and...
Oh yeah... that...
Thoughts?
First, how do you feel about the snow elves taking a blow and losing one of their cities? I am begining to think about Azgo learning of their worship of them only to be disgusted by their lack of devotion when he sends commands and visions. Basically something cataclysmic.
And second, Azgo will be needing a smith soon. I was thinking about just creating an exarch, but that seems a little cheap in a cooperative game. What if you created a proud (race goes here) smith, accomplish any ends you might want to (especially against me), and then off him for me to pick up and use in the Abyss? That seems much more fleshed out to me.
But as always, the choice remains with you.
Suns:
Godcrater: Destroyed, or at least deconstituted. Might pose a problem if we ever have a subplot about getting them all back together. This one created Ebon/Black dragons before it went boom.
Eternal Volcano: Still there, but manipulated by the Behemoth to produce on of the Nourish/Harm bombs. Made Red dragons
Beacon: Inside the Behemoth, along with the Azure dragons that it made.
The North: Still there, still shining, not affected so far. Made white dragons.
Sil Arkosh: Taken by the Leviathan. Made Orange dragons
Western Badlands: Currently floating above a mysterious tower and surrounded by no less than four players. Hasn't produced any dragons (although Shadow has expressed interest)
The Ocean: Swallowed by the Leviathan, still inside the beast, still holding the explosive energy from when Agni tried to nuke the world. Hasn't made any dragons. Likely about to appear during the battle with the Dragon Moot.
Umbra snuck away a shard of the sGsosdscsrsastsesrs sun, perfect for trying to restore it (I think the rest of the sun's essence went into Scorch/Eclipse Aflame). Perhaps a subplot to free poor old Scorch AND restore the sun? Anywho, this fragment is currently in the Zizu.
The Badlands sun has also been modified to produce a difficult-to-penetrate stormwall around the main continent.
James had the fun idea of one of the orbs producing dragonborn. That still seems fun to me. Hopefully whoever makes one of the two remaining dragons thinks so, too.
Anyways, two things:
Topheh: These "refugees" just can't catch a break, can they? Persecution, flight through hostile lands, month at sea with only insects and fish to eat, and now, just when they reach land, a gigantic worm-beast is going to kill them all. Rough times.
Thought: I just wanted to clarify something, given your post about the cavern. Azgo found the old workshop and stole away the forge to the Abyss. Then he journeyed to the top of the mountain to wonder why everything was dark... again (i am positive our creation's light sources are clap-on, clap-off). Then he left the world for the Abyss, specifically the first layer of the abyss which is a darkness-filled cavern of ice to rebuild the forge. He is not currently in the world, and Thereus' cavern is not coated in ice. Sorry about that.
Oh, and Pen: Previous questions?
Alright Pen, two thoughts.
First, how do you feel about the snow elves taking a blow and losing one of their cities? I am begining to think about Azgo learning of their worship of them only to be disgusted by their lack of devotion when he sends commands and visions. Basically something cataclysmic.
And second, Azgo will be needing a smith soon. I was thinking about just creating an exarch, but that seems a little cheap in a cooperative game. What if you created a proud (race goes here) smith, accomplish any ends you might want to (especially against me), and then off him for me to pick up and use in the Abyss? That seems much more fleshed out to me.
But as always, the choice remains with you.
Hey Forgotten, sorry, I had missed these questions (I blame Canada, because I can).
Sure, destroy a city or two. Although, they are devout to the forms of Azgoian religion, so it would depend on how contrary to their true religion those commands and visions would be.
As for a smith, Thought and Joran have set trends. Why not make Thraeus your smith exarch? Might irk Agni a little, too ;)
EDIT: Wait a minute... smiths have hammers. Urk the Orc has a divine hammer. He could count as a smith, I suspect. A very bad, very violent smith.
(Forgotten checks the IC)
AAAUUUUUUGGGGHHHHHH!! All hands on deck! Man your battlestations; the Inevitable is off the port bow! This is NOT a drill! I repeat: This is NOT a drill! Code Ultra-Uber-Impossibly red-RED!
Three days?! Three?! What happenned? Nobody has anything to say?
To Pen: I was thinking about that, but Azgo is... less than inclined towards mental domination Thought style. And Joran asked Shadow before taking Marcus, so snatching Thereus leaves me a little uncomfortable.
Also busy. Stupid work.
Shall we talk end-game?
Yeah, I think we probably should. Posts are starting to taper off and it would be better to end strong than weak.
Well, I had assumed that someone else was going to start talking, but... I can start.
We've ended LoCs in a few ways in the past.
Way 1 is to just let things taper off and then call it done when no one is posting, but not have any particular effort put into it. I... don't really like this option... the last LoC ended this way.
Way 2 is to end in such a way that we create a number of interesting hooks for the DMs to use as launching-off points for campaigns, but doesn't have a particularly climactic ending. For instance... loc-central.wikia.com/wiki/The_World_Tod.... AR ended with the Gods leaving, but no real dramatic climax.
Way 3 is to end with some sort of dramatic, climactic event that is resolved right in the nick of time without doing lasting damage to the entire world. For example, WorldWarp ended with the awakening of one of the Great Monsters and the fight of Gods and mortals to defeat it (which they did). While the Triskelion was devastated, the rest of the world was left relatively untouched.
Way 4 is to end in a dramatic, climactic event that dramatically reshapes the world and remains either unresolved or resolved in such a way that the implications of its resolution are vast and undescribed. For instance, the end of LightVoid saw war break out on nearly every planet left in existence, and at the end of the game, saw the leader of the bad guys defeated, but his armies still rampaging across many of the other worlds.
And of course, these can be combined.
My thoughts:
Given the way this LoC has played out, Way 4 seems the most appropriate ending. Some of you know my desire to cause a portion of this world to break off into its own plane, Loom-style, and go careening through the metaverse, slowly becoming Culthet from WorldWarp. Honestly, what I think should happen is a final battle between the 'Good' Gods and TASOE. Thoughts from others?
Dragons defeat the other two godbeasts -- The Orange dragons would seek out their kin to the north (guided by Agni's new exarch, perhaps), rally with the Whites, and take out the Zizu. Meanwhile, the Azures from the inside and dragons spawned from the stone-tower sun in the west (where all the gods are around) defeat the Behemoth / godmountain. (Potential plot thing: since the dragon orbs have been spawning from death, perhaps Zebus makes the stone tower into a conduit for the great dark beyond, and all that death energy causes the orb to birth forth the final dragons.
The Crystal Heart is either rendered moot, rules lawyer'd, or retconned on account of the godbeasts being defeated by mortals (dragons spawned from death) and not gods.
Finally, Cantorix, Lucan, and Red Dragonette finish binding the mootstone to all 6 of the dragon broods. In response, the 7th sun, fueled by the death of the leviathan (which birthed dragonspawn) and all the dragons fighting it, creates Dragonborn, servitor race to dragons, and a symbol of the dragon's unity (since dragonborn have all colors).
Sa reveals the existence of TASOE, and then leaves.
The other (non-Azgo) gods resolve the buisness with TASOE, and then get into an end-game state themselves.
Meanwhile, Azgo is lurking in the abyss, biding his time.
Thoughts?
PS: (There is, perhaps, an interesting parallel between Itja-Rek and TASOE).
My thought is that the Gods set about finding the heart and destroying it, so they're not completely useless, but not actually saving the world from the monsters, either.
The TASOE to Itja-Rek connection is highly intriguing. It would require some... setup.
Thought: Which suns have been corrupted, where are the red orbs, and... the Leviathan has two suns in it, yes?
Hopefully Thought and Forgotten will return full-time to us soon!
Regarding the godbeasts, I was thinking about possibily returning to my original idea for TASOE (a god that's a dimension). The beasties aren't dead, but rather eventually get expelled from the world and form the "body" of that dimension. The heart can be largely ignored (I liked the idea of the artificat, but how things have turned out are more interesting, and it was also meant to be at the "heart" of a story arc for a player no longer active).
I would like to see the conflict between Azgo and the firsts get a little bit of resolution. As it is, Azgo's been "defeated" for a while, but needs to have a come back.
As for Ita-Rek, that would be a fascinating connection.
Anywho, I'll try to post more thoroughly (and actually in the IC tread) as soon as I can. Hopefully tomorrow at lunch.
I'M BACK!!!!
I'M BACK IN THE SADDLE AGAIN!!
(Rockout session)
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And i cast Level 29 Daily "Ressurect Interest"!
Unfortunately, my boss decided on monday that I needed to write a paper for him by... tomorrow, so my time has been completely taken from me. I'll try and get something short up later today, but probably no major posts for me until saturday or sunday.
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Or your type font.
While you are here, what is the satus of your... following? Do you have one? WHat are they like, and how do the majority of people know/worship Sa?
I would like to know before implimenting some ideas with offical gods of High Ithol.
Raven, good to see you!
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Or your type font.
While you are here, what is the satus of your... following? Do you have one? WHat are they like, and how do the majority of people know/worship Sa?
I would like to know before implimenting some ideas with offical gods of High Ithol.
Hehe, I've been stopping by every day. (Just not posting, obviously)
Mortals don't worship Sa directly, and, I believe, the only mortals who even know of Sa are the Skyfolk above the crown. I think that some would worship "the source of magic", but they'd not know if that was a god, some manifestation of fantasy physics, or as part of erroneously worshipping some other god ("Thank Azgo for our ability to cast arcane spells!" ).
On the other hand, Sa's not really tried to hide its presence, either. I'm imagining a folksy sort of "pagan" god, who's known about, but not actively worshipped.
In other news, where in the world has Thought gone? I think we're all waiting for him to post for his characters...
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We should work on that.
In other news, does anyone want to talk about Timmy? Where to go, what to do and all that jazz? Anyone have anything in particular they would like to see happen?
Forgotten, I've moved the dwarves along. We can still go with our original plan if we collapse the tunnel :D
I do want Timmy to request the aid of the Agni'Vohda at some point... I have some stuff I want to write for them still to set up how they work more fully.
Also, Forgotten. Those western continents... I've put a beast and a biome on them... can I put a sentient race? Don't want to trample on your plans too much.
As for the dwarves... why not?
If you're willing to share, what are your overall plans for that part of the world? Want some help?
@Pen: Was that enough disillusionment?
And Are you still hanging around here, James? Just want to know if you are here.
Its fairly simple overall. My main focus is on two things: creating a slightly more ordered/safe area than the ravages of the the Eastern continent, and building multiple kingdoms. That's not to say that i want a West=Peace, East=War dicotomy, just a little more balance. I am also planning on opening up a relationship between East and West given that the majority of the East have no idea there is a West...
Another fun idea is if a dragon race was native to the West, as opposed to the others.
The main problem I am having is that embellishing a continent by myself, especially when i have many evil plans I wish to carry forward, is quite expensive.
And you're right, the continents need a name.
No, I'm not drawing either of those names from anything, really. Why do you ask?
Why do you ask?
I didn't ask anything... intentionaly. I thought you said earlier that the continents needed names. If you did, i agree. If you didn't, then I think they do anyway. Mainly because i am getting very tired of writing East continent and West continent over and over. Seems unnatural that they wouldn't have named it by now.
Or perhaps it doesn't, if nobody else is bothered by it.
Also, just cause I haven't posted, doesn't mean I'm not paying attention. I'm keeping an eye on things from afar....
Why do you ask?
I didn't ask anything... intentionaly. I thought you said earlier that the continents needed names. If you did, i agree. If you didn't, then I think they do anyway. Mainly because i am getting very tired of writing East continent and West continent over and over. Seems unnatural that they wouldn't have named it by now.
Or perhaps it doesn't, if nobody else is bothered by it.
Err... sorry. Wasn't asking why *you* were asking about names, I was trying to poke fun at my own suggestion of 'Westeros' as the name of a continent, when that is the name of a continent in one currently highly popular book and TV series...
I do think they need names.
Anywho, traditionally, demi-planes were the ones that were under the sole ownership of the god that created them (and so yes, one needed permission to meddle with those), while greater planes were the ones that devolved to public control after a week or two of exclusive control (and so, no, one did not need permission to meddle with those). I checked through the rules to see if that had changed for this iteration, but there was nothing along those lines, either way.
I'm quite glad that you're still watching. Post! We miss the dear old god of death.
EDIT: Forgotten, Topheh, given that only worshippers of Azgo are on the western continent, it seems only proper that they get to name it (and you've been quite good with the naming, Forgotten, so I'm sure you'll come up with something awesome). I have no ideas about the eastern continent, alas. Perhaps "Susan"? That's always a LoC fave.
Err... sorry. Wasn't asking why *you* were asking about names, I was trying to poke fun at my own suggestion of 'Westeros' as the name of a continent, when that is the name of a continent in one currently highly popular book and TV series...
I do think they need names.
Ah, then I am the one who should apologize...
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I apologize. I seem to suffer a large penalty to Insight when on the internet, and a low wisdom score isn't helping much either. Looking back on your post, it makes much more sense now.
(And while we're at it, I'd like to make Gold dragons from the "death" of Artun's beauty.
And then have the Gold and White Dragons maim the Zizu... )
I had thought you were done, there, so I had just wanted to make it clear that your beasties were victorious.
Ara, all things considered, your children (aka, the suns) have been much abused, in no small part by TASOE. Seems like a good time for Good to make a comeback.
If we still want dragonborn, I have an idea for that. We still want dragonborn from the last orb, yes?
Oh, and a thought for the endgame. I can't remember another game where the gods have been *quite* so asinine to the mortals. What if the mortals banish us?
And Thought I was just making sure. I've been clueless to what to do since I've nearly destroyed the world once indirectly..... I figured the world could have used a reprieve from constant death, but then again it wouldn't be a LoC otherwise now would it! This has given me some ideas, that I'm mulling over. Maybe we aren't at an end game just yet!
Also Toph, this would be an awesome tie-in to your earlier suggestion how it ends. If I remember correctly new gods arose on that new plane oh so long ago, and this could be the precurser to just that!
Well, the problem with Culthet is that we need to get rid of all the gods, AND kill off all of the mortals. That's... honestly, I want a more positive ending than that
Merely my thoughts however.
Oh, and great to see yuo again Ara! Hope to see you posting soon. Do you want in on the Hero of the Ages storyline I am trying to revive at the moment?
And yeah... the Culthet idea was nice, but... I'm liking some other ideas now too!
Currently, he's on the frontlines battling dragonspawn and has just slipped into the rage that is inside all black dragons. Although now that i think about it, his death might be interesting...
I'm a little sad that its at the Moot, but that doesn't seem likely to change. I'm all for it.
As for the leviathan (and the Zizu), my thought had originally been to use their bodies to construct the demiplane that was eventually going to be TASOE's body. Seemed that ruin husks of exarchs would be appropriate. Not that things have to go that way, mind, but I thought it would be good to share what my thoughts had been.
Oh, and great to see you again Ara! Hope to see you posting soon. Do you want in on the Hero of the Ages storyline I am trying to revive at the moment?
Ara? My earlier questions?
A "No" would suffice.
Oh, and great to see you again Ara! Hope to see you posting soon. Do you want in on the Hero of the Ages storyline I am trying to revive at the moment?
Ara? My earlier questions?
A "No" would suffice.
Oh wow, sorry, I completely missed that. Yeah, that would be great! Just... uhm... lemme know what you need.
There seems to be one prime candidate among us. James said that Pruinus was fair game for destruction, and it seems that no one is particularly interested in either interacting with her or her creations (come to think of it, there is not a lot of mantle passing about here. Onus' giants and Gelab Duhr, Rimmon's Nightwalkers, Pruinus' Nix). It would also be nice thematically: first to challenge Azgo, first to be destroyed.
My original plan was to help the Firstborn in their battles against the godbeasts and then slip away in the later part of the battle for some assassination. But it seems that both A): the godbeasts are not the threat they used to be, and B): Agni, Father Thorn, and Zebus are either partially inactive or frozen in time during a conversation everbody is waiting for someone else to advance.
So what If I instead sneak out through the Abyss-Great Beyond link and do some more subtle work in dispatching Pruinus untill the very end?
Comments, thoughts, problems, questions?
@Ara: No problem at all. To be honest, I'm not sure what I "need" per say as I have not planned anything too detailed nor specific. Nobody seems intent on controlling him despite earlier approval and the plan for him was lost with James. So basically I am commendeering him for the time being to launch an arc of my own. You could do a whole bunch of stuff. He could use an adventuring companion, a player controller, or some brainstorming on cool things he could do. If anything appeals to you or you have a question, feel free to ask.
Raven, would you say that there are two groups of Balor now? Those that I created, and then those that are the body of the behemoth, or would you say that there is only one group (all immortal mini behemoths)? Also, and I guess this would go to the admins as well, does that make the Balor an exarch race? Just curious how to play them.
As for the leviathan (and the Zizu), my thought had originally been to use their bodies to construct the demiplane that was eventually going to be TASOE's body. Seemed that ruin husks of exarchs would be appropriate. Not that things have to go that way, mind, but I thought it would be good to share what my thoughts had been.
My initial thought was that there were two subgroups, "Demons" and "Arch-Demons" as it were, corresponding to the first and second batches respectively.
And I wasn't aware you were going to construct a demiplane like that. In that case, I suggest the Zizu. Probably kill it in a extremely grisly and brutal fashion, first, and harvest some of the leviathan as well, perhaps?
Also, Thought, I am waiting for Artun to respond before creating Gold dragons (giving either you or Toph the opportunity to).
Bonus thought -- the zizu has fled towards the leviathan, and some of the newly-minted less-aggressive whites are following it towards the leviathan and the moot stone.
Bonus bonus thought - Seg + Artun also flee towards the leviathan, bringing some of the hot-off-the-presses golds with them to the leviathan and the moot stone.
@Forgotten
I have no strong opinion on this.
@Forgotten. I was actually about to do something with the Nix... but... I... appear to have forgotten what it was, unfortunately.
Shadow, are you still around?
And yes, let us please move this Thought/Pen/Me/Shadow/Sa(?) thing forward. TASOE, we must find you!
Well, some of us are waiting on you... *coughmootcough*
Which is waiting on the gold dragons, which is waiting on... Thought.
And yes, let us please move this Thought/Pen/Me/Shadow/Sa(?) thing forward. TASOE, we must find you!
Actually i wanted to question that. Last time i checked, TASOE was inside the god-mountain... which has now been split up into thousands of Balor. So... what does that that implicate for TASOE's presence?
Also, I haven't seen Shadow on mibbit for about a week now. Normally he's there sometime throughout the day.
*shrug*
Veok, Forgotten, expect tags for both of you by the end of the night. Actually, Raven, can you brief me on what the other side of the Umbrage looks like? (I assume there is another side, but I'm being forgetful.)
I think TASOE is... where... TASOE is.
*shrug*
Veok, Forgotten, expect tags for both of you by the end of the night. Actually, Raven, can you brief me on what the other side of the Umbrage looks like? (I assume there is another side, but I'm being forgetful.)
There is another side, but the portal / holes are essentially set up as one-way entrances.
I haven't really given much thought to what it's like among the Umbrage. (That is to say, on the other side)
I think TASOE is... where... TASOE is.
*shrug*
Veok, Forgotten, expect tags for both of you by the end of the night. Actually, Raven, can you brief me on what the other side of the Umbrage looks like? (I assume there is another side, but I'm being forgetful.)
There is another side, but the portal / holes are essentially set up as one-way entrances.
I haven't really given much thought to what it's like among the Umbrage. (That is to say, on the other side)
Well, that just... hmph. Well, fine. If you don't want to torment an Azer with the Lovecraftian horrors of a twisted nether-universe, SO BE IT.
You said you wanted the Insuannen hunted yes? Did you have any other plans/ideas with them?
I'm sure something will come to me soon, but that was about as far as I got with them. Going to try and get an exarch out of all of this since Raven so helpfully prevented the LAST time I tried to make this exarch by inventing stupid translation magic
@Everybody but in response to Pen: Why yes, I would quite enjoy the destruction of a Firstborn. I think it would add a lot of weight and credibility to Azgo's machinations in-universe. And I would like to do that regardless of endgame distance.
There seems to be one prime candidate among us. James said that Pruinus was fair game for destruction, and it seems that no one is particularly interested in either interacting with her or her creations (come to think of it, there is not a lot of mantle passing about here. Onus' giants and Gelab Duhr, Rimmon's Nightwalkers, Pruinus' Nix). It would also be nice thematically: first to challenge Azgo, first to be destroyed.
I was thinking more along the lines of Leaf, actually. After all, it seems like Azgo views him as the head honcho.
And before anyone gets ansy, I did not kill anything! I just sent it flying out of my realm! :P
In other news, it seems it is my turn to vanish for a time. Starting Friday, I won't be able to get at a computer for about ten days or so. If anyone has anything pressing that they want from me, ask and ask quickly.
Unless someone vehemently disagrees with my self-chosen mission, Azgo will move to engage the thousands of Balor in the East when the planning meeting is finished.
If this moves faster than i anticipate, and someone is waiting on Azgo to attack the Balor or if Thought wants to describe the attack from his side, then Azgo unleashes the Craterspawn hordes on the Balor. Their tactics are mainly to harry, contain, and cripple rather than a full out do-or-die attack. Azgo seems mysteriously absent from the battlefeild however.
Maybe that will be necessary, maybe not. But its there.
Happy posting.
I think its fairly obvious that this game is drawing to an end. I think a logical ending would be the battle of the Gods with TASOE, followed by a week of 'aftermath' posts and then we call it finished while we still have some motivation left. What do people think?
Also, Raven, please find me on Steam... or tell me if you had any particular plans for the Gold Dragons being created. If not, I'm probably going to make them momentarially.
Sorry guys, had a crazy weekend and missed the reset. I'll get it up after I get this post finished to move stuff along.
I think its fairly obvious that this game is drawing to an end. I think a logical ending would be the battle of the Gods with TASOE, followed by a week of 'aftermath' posts and then we call it finished while we still have some motivation left. What do people think?
Also, Raven, please find me on Steam... or tell me if you had any particular plans for the Gold Dragons being created. If not, I'm probably going to make them momentarially.
I had no plans for them other than the color, and for them to travel the moot immediately.
...also, pretty sure that Agni has never met Sa. Sa sent out feeler petals to Agni, but left without speaking when the godswarm followed Agni. (Talked only to Onus and Urru)
So we did meet!
Veok, will Sa get upset if Agni moves the Beacon to rejoin the other Suns?
Whom?
Regardless, no. The Azure Dragons might, however, since their home was already stolen from them once, rather recently (and, of course, you saw what they did to the guy that did it!).
I hit the sack!
I've been too long I'm glad to be back!!
(Intense Rockout session including enough fireworks to make the 4th of July look like a sputtering sparkler, free money falling from the sky by the armful, and water buffalo)
YES!! I"M BACK!!!
...
And i see that not all is well. Let's talk.
Yeah. Looks like we may have lost Thought, which is... a problem, given our proposed endgame.
Still, one superbeast to kill, and then some strange spirits to find and banish from existence or some such thing. Not *that* difficult
Anyone care to advance the moot, or what is going on then?
I'll be in mibbit if possible.
No, I know how to get to Mibbit and search for rooms. But every time i search #LoC, the room doesn't come up. There apparently is no chatroom called #LoC Lords of Creation.
Type this in: /join #LoC
That will get you there.
It seems that we've all fallen into some sort of unspoken pact to let the game die out on its own. Is that tue? Is this game over, or not?
I have more i want to post but there has been little activity as of late. I have been hesitating to post out of doubts in its effectiveness. So are we going to plan and carry out the ending we wanted for this game or are we going to suffocate it to death like the many people who joined this game and vanished?
I apologize if i come off as aggresive, but I am growing tired of ambiguity.
So that was set up when Thought was around, and now he's not.
I suppose the question then becomes, are we okay with puppet-ing Thought to trap / exile / susan his god?
But yeah, at the moment the main 'plot' of the game is... a little stalled as it relies on him... doing things. I'll try again to get in touch with him and get him to move things along, or at least move things to a point where we don't have to wait for him to post before we can move on. If not... we'll find other means to... extract... the information. And yes, that means Azgo gets to have fun while we all look on and feel vaguely sick to our stomachs.
As for the rest...
Yeah, I'll move the Moot along. Sa, I've been waiting for you to continue the adventures of the Azer Galfe, but I'll do something with that if you aren't interested.
And I'd still like to come up with a way to recreate the one destroyed orb that made the black dragons. Any ideas, folks?
Possible Loose ends/posting ideas:
1. Insuannen and the Itholians
2. Oni
3. Timmy
4. The West, anything really
5. Healing the East's wounds
6. Update on the Giants and Gelab Duhr
7. Update on the Agni'Vodha
8. The Moot
9. Destruction of Pruinus/Leaf
10. Creation of new Monsters (I'm up for a lot of stuff)
11. Actuslly using the Forge of Thereus for something besides aesthetics
12. Creation of Dragonborn
13. More description of what the Plane of Fire is
14. Other
As for new things, like what? Anything seem lacking?
Also, I'd be more than willing to interact with the Chitrachs.
..."window.parent.tinyMCE.get('post_content').onLoad.dispatch();" contenteditable="true" />Sa, I've been waiting for you to continue the adventures of the Azer Galfe, but I'll do something with that if you aren't interested.
And I'd still like to come up with a way to recreate the one destroyed orb that made the black dragons. Any ideas, folks?
Oh? I was unaware you were expecting a response for that.
I believe Thought mentioned Umbra had a shard of that sun.
Here's my list of goals.
1) Develop the mistrust of the world for the Gods and create an organization that worships the God before the Gods (the one who made all the firstborn)
2) Introduce at least two new races to the west
3) Return all the suns to the sky
4) Make the Dragonborn (this will happen quickly, I think)
5) Resolve Sil Arkesh and... whatever I called the new home of the dwarves in the mountains.
6) Develop the Source of Fire more, perhaps through the use of the Forge of Thereus.
7) Make some more exarchs. Do I even have one? Ka'Vah doesn't count.
8) Find TASOE, banish him, and... in some way draw the game to a close by doing so. Perhaps we all get sucked out into the void or something :D
The game is ending. I've got no strings or loose ends to tie up anywhere else, so I'm in for the main action. Which is currently stalled by the absence of our primary antagonist.
I'm present..... I'm just not doing anything.
In theory, agreed. In practice, those seem to be no different from the other...
Why haven't you asked about in the OOC? If the other players meant to ignore your god, it would have been in the posts rather than implied. Or why haven't to described him slinking into the background and listening. At this point, any post is a welcome post.
And while yes, you have no loose ends, that doesn't mean you can't enjoy the ride down. Just build, create, expand. It doesn't have to open up a loose end. It just has to shape the world somehow.
I don't know... I just want people to start posting again.
Any objections?
"So, it seems to me that we have our next steps. TASOE leaps out (of somewhere) as a mass of evil spirits, strikes down Seg and Artun just as they are about to spill the beans, and then races off, with our gods in hot pursuit. We have one final, world-scarring battle, banish the spirits of evil (or imprison them in a newly reforged mega-sun... in continuing the theme of 'Agni's a jerk', I half feel like ending the game by making the world a desert would be... fitting. :D Or, you know, I could just make Summer, as we've defined all the other seasons by now.
So who wants to start this whole thing moving? Sa getting a 'bad feeling about this' seems like an appropriate way to begin to me!
Regardless, Dragonborn creation is incoming, as is some drama over in the West. Going to try and have the former up tonight, the latter up tomorrow, as well as a few more tags to try and get things rolling. Got to find Umbra and kill him, too :D
And as a side note to Toph: If Paren does not heal Cantorix, he will die. Not to say that I want Cantorix to live, or want him to die, but that is a decision you must make.
And... oh, yeah, that. :D
If so, I would like to finalize that before we defeat TASOE. My personal vote is for us to wrap up this "chapter" of defeating TASOE and then leave on a "and the story continues" note (much more elegant than that, but in essence the same). Also, my bias as a new player might is certainly affecting this, but I don't want to pursue a type of continuity between LoC's. I like the idea of them standing alone as they are. Merely my opinion however, and I am willing to pursue whatever the group decides together.
If not, what is the ending we've agreed upon. I must of missed it.
In other news, I will be unable to post tomorrow. Busy, busy, busy.
My current 'plan' is to imprison TASOE within the sun, with the ever present and ever-looming threat that one day, TASOE will escape and the world will need the gods once more. That plan is, of course, subject to change.
Toph, I thought you wanted to banish the gods from the world. Change of mind?
And does anyone want to take over the other dragons?? Pretty pretty please?
5) Resolve Sil Arkesh and... whatever I called the new home of the dwarves in the mountains.
Sil Peraz
~The West (sorry, forgetting the continent name)~
The Western Continent is called The Sunthos Isles, or The Promised Isles by most residents. The island that High Ithol resides upon is called Verandrel. No names have been given to the other isles yet, though the population knows they exist.
And I am finally in Mibbit again.
Feels good.
Drop by. And yes. I mean You.
Oh. You all right? I'll assume so, given the word "minor".
Yeah. There was a nodule on my cornea. I asked my opthamalogist to remove it. Now I don't have blurry vision in my left eye!
Those poor dwarves. Fled from the depths of the netherworld to the highest mountain, and STILL they are under attack
That's a common theme in this LoC is it not? No rest for the wicked...
Speaking of which, is there going to be a dwarven boogeyman or not? I was looking forward to that.
That said, TASOE flopping around like a bunch of fish is probably an image I thought I'd never see :D
Yeah...
Brought him up for a reason.
Which means I won't be posting for a good 6 hours or more...
Sorry Toph, not sure I've got any juice to introduce your dwarf to the terror-horrors.
*resumes beating down the gremlins*
Oh... the irony.
I attempted to leave the group so I could assassinate Prunius in the Halls of Creation... only for the gods to land there two minutes later to fight TASOE. SO much for privacy.
More seriously, if we are going to fight TASOE in the Crown, then I'll just delete that half-post of my escape.
(it is awesome.)
In other news, I have no idea how to proceed with the Timmy/Agni'Vodha situation. Thoughts?
Also, thanks for the edit.
Or maybe he doesn't have to?
Originaly, this journey was to be his skeleton in the closet, driving him to do good and rebel against the influence of Azgo.
If we want to end this with Azgo sealed away, Timmy could do that, somehow.
If we don't... there's always the Zizu. The songs the bards would sing about the boy Nix and his followers who defeated one of the great GodBeasts would be kinda fun.
Just give it a few months, then you'll include them...
Azgo is the sixth god of creation.
Azgo enters the story on page 6.
Azgo begins the destruction of Pruinus of page 66.
Six theme going on here?
1). What are you thinking about the Trans. Bugs? I was thinking about them being more symbiotic in nature by imbedding their head (much like a tick) into the throat of a human, creating an "organ" that allows the humans to speak and possibly understand Chitrach.
2). Do you want anything specific out of the Verandrel Crisis? An uneasy allience between the Crys., the Insu., and the Itholians? Permanent war for resources? Something?
And Ara... youi could ask for a quick recap of the last few pages regarding the dragons if you feel confused as to the dragon adventure arc. We could really use another dragon.
1) Yes, but I was thinking a little different. Direct neural link, so the bugs wrap around the head and dig in with their front tentacles into the user's brain :D Either is fine, but yeah, something... disturbing.
2) Honestly, at this point I'm looking towards the final game summary, in which we have a list of current events and plot hooks for DMs who want to use the setting. So I'm looking to create some form of long-running war with several distinct and interesting factions. I'm planning on introducing another one later this week... tomorrow, most likely
I've had family here since last thursday, so... I've been being a little slow.DRAGON! DRAGON! DARGON! DARGON! Ara, you should totally join us. Catch me on steam if you want an update.
Oh, incidentally, my plans for the dragons involve us killing ourselves, going to the realm of the dead and then using the not-wholly-healed rifts between the planes to get to the Abyss. Then its a race through hordes of Craterspawn, a few more interesting terrain dangers, and then a crazy fight against a sluggish, weakened God, which hopefully an exarch and other dragons can handle (we might want to think of some final state for the dragons. Maybe they die and become a Tiamat-esque deity? Also, should we bring some Dragonborn?
It occured to me while writing for Cantorix, but theoretically Gargarim entered the realm of The Great Beyond without dying and returned in one piece. Unfortunately he arrived in the story to late, or they could have gone out to ask him how he did it. I am still all for the dying part at the moment.
So... Toph... is there or is there not going to be a dwarf boogeyman?
And as cool as the Tiamat-deity idea is, I do kinda want there to be some sort of a happy ending for Cantorix/Morenth/Paren/Sneferu. They earned it in my book.
And don't forget about the Deicidal Taint for Paren.
Weakened God would be our one-time God of Darkness, who, controlled by TASOE, ate up the shards of the sun. Have to imagine that sun-shards are bad for your system
Well, then lets make a happy ending for them!
And... yeah... boogeyman. ... yeah.
So. . . um.. . are there more than one LOC here? Because the rules sure have seemed to change since the first Lords of Creation.
Its just this one LoC at the moment (as far as I'm aware...), and you've just arrived at its death throes. Glad to have you here and interested however.
I recommend waiting around for Toph/Shadow to say something. They're the admins for this incarnation.
Hey.
Its just this one LoC at the moment (as far as I'm aware...), and you've just arrived at its death throes. Glad to have you here and interested however.
I recommend waiting around for Toph/Shadow to say something. They're the admins for this incarnation.
Death Throes? WAAAAAAAAHHH!
But if we start another one, I'd like Magic (Unknown), and Wisdom (Time) as my Domains. ;)
But if we start another one, I'd like Magic (Unknown), and Wisdom (Time) as my Domains. ;)
(Lighthearted chuckle)
Well, you're definetly an older player alright. Domains don't quite work like that anymore. Here's the list of domains now.
Domains
But if we start another one, I'd like Magic (Unknown), and Wisdom (Time) as my Domains. ;)
(Lighthearted chuckle)
Well, you're definetly an older player alright. Domains don't quite work like that anymore. Here's the list of domains now.
Domains
Wisdom is missing from the Fundamental Forces. :D
Welcome back! (Although, as your last game appears to predate my first, I'm not sure that I can officially welcome you 'back' in any fashion... but at least Welcome!) As Forgotten has alluded to, the game has undergone a significant amount of changes since the LoC you were probably a part of. I imagine you are more familiar with rules like...
www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t...
(Although those seem modified from previous LoCs on the giantITP forums... anyways...). We've had... quite a bit of mutation since those days, with a general trend towards less of a focus on stats, although we've had some fluxuations back and forth in terms of that, but never back to the original LoC's ideas of carefully defining the abilities and levels of the God you were playing itself.
Anyways, long story short, the LoC you see before you is changed from the LoC you once played, but you are of course more than welcome to join us, either on this incarnation, or a future one. As Forgotten said, we're in the final chapters of this one, so if you did create a god... don't expect to play it for long
To everyone else... I'm working on it. Post coming tonight, should move everything forward, and yes, I mean the Boogeyman, too.
Its an incomplete list, to be sure. Wisdom can definitely be squeezed in
Welcome back! (Although, as your last game appears to predate my first, I'm not sure that I can officially welcome you 'back' in any fashion... but at least Welcome!) As Forgotten has alluded to, the game has undergone a significant amount of changes since the LoC you were probably a part of. I imagine you are more familiar with rules like...
www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t...
(Although those seem modified from previous LoCs on the giantITP forums... anyways...). We've had... quite a bit of mutation since those days, with a general trend towards less of a focus on stats, although we've had some fluxuations back and forth in terms of that, but never back to the original LoC's ideas of carefully defining the abilities and levels of the God you were playing itself.
Anyways, long story short, the LoC you see before you is changed from the LoC you once played, but you are of course more than welcome to join us, either on this incarnation, or a future one. As Forgotten said, we're in the final chapters of this one, so if you did create a god... don't expect to play it for long
To everyone else... I'm working on it. Post coming tonight, should move everything forward, and yes, I mean the Boogeyman, too.
Indeed, I"m playing that one as Thurian, another one as Rod, and another one as Balor'Arawn. :D
It's Armin. lol.
Well, anyway, I might join as a Servant Deity so I can learn how to play using rules in this one. A Loyal Harbinger of the Apocalypse.
To everyone else... I'm working on it. Post coming tonight, should move everything forward, and yes, I mean the Boogeyman, too.
Janusunaj, if you want to hop in and RP a little bit right now while you decide on a God, we *do* have one more dragon availible on our dragon semi-suicide mission into the 'hell' of our LoC
What alignment?
What domains are still available?
Domains that are left are anything that is not listed on the third post in the OOC thread, plus a few others, which I'll look up for you, but of which one is Language (Domains are less important now, too
)
the expression that flashed across Correloth's face
...
1 AP: Spawn Exarch/Superbeast: The Azer Boogeyman. The principle antagonist behind Sil Arkesh's woes. Purple-skinned with glowing yellow eyes, sharp teeth and long, claw-tipped fingers.
Don't misunderstand me, I like this boogeyman, but it was not the one I was expecting. What happened to the made of hair, spawned from a dwarven boy cutting off his own beard, attempts to swallow you boogeyman? Just curious.
We've done away with set alignments, but the dragon in question is White... which at least in the current game are the smartest of the dragons, but tend to devolve into mindless rages around sources of heat, which... limit their abilities (up until a few weeks ago, 'heat' was, well, basically anything warmer than a glacier, which meant that by and large Whites spent their time in a feral state. Thankfully we dealt with that ;)
I think you mean "least smart". They're binary -- animal cunning (when cold) or beserk (when not)
We've done away with set alignments, but the dragon in question is White... which at least in the current game are the smartest of the dragons, but tend to devolve into mindless rages around sources of heat, which... limit their abilities (up until a few weeks ago, 'heat' was, well, basically anything warmer than a glacier, which meant that by and large Whites spent their time in a feral state. Thankfully we dealt with that ;)
I think you mean "least smart". They're binary -- animal cunning (when cold) or beserk (when not)
Ooh neat. . . Hmm... I'll be a monstrous beast, a herald of the Apocalypse then.
We've done away with set alignments, but the dragon in question is White... which at least in the current game are the smartest of the dragons, but tend to devolve into mindless rages around sources of heat, which... limit their abilities (up until a few weeks ago, 'heat' was, well, basically anything warmer than a glacier, which meant that by and large Whites spent their time in a feral state. Thankfully we dealt with that ;)
I think you mean "least smart". They're binary -- animal cunning (when cold) or beserk (when not)
Ooh neat. . . Hmm... I'll be a monstrous beast, a herald of the Apocalypse then.
God of Chaos, Madness, And White Dragons. . .
Anyone have those domains? Name: Parscharok
Greater Domains: Chaos
Moderate Domains: Madness
Lesser Domains: White Dragons
Physical Appearance:
Divine Symbol: Blood Stained Pearl
the expression that flashed across Correloth's face
...
1 AP: Spawn Exarch/Superbeast: The Azer Boogeyman. The principle antagonist behind Sil Arkesh's woes. Purple-skinned with glowing yellow eyes, sharp teeth and long, claw-tipped fingers.
Don't misunderstand me, I like this boogeyman, but it was not the one I was expecting. What happened to the made of hair, spawned from a dwarven boy cutting off his own beard, attempts to swallow you boogeyman? Just curious.
Oh Geez. Sorry. Thats a MAJOR brainfart on my part. Calling you Correloth is... no. Not right. Let me... fix that
And... I had completely forgotten about that Boogeyman. Unfortunately, I'm not sure that the Azer Boogeyman would work quite as well, as they don't actually have hair in their beards. Perhaps we'll have to make a whole slough of Boogeymen. Everyone needs to have nightmares, after all.
Janusanaj, Forgotten is kinda on the madness/chaos side of the spectrum. The two of you should talk
Alright, I have an idea if you wish to be ascended rather than self-ascend. My god, Azgo, is currently fighting the goddess of cold ans is preparing to destroy her. Given that you want to be the god of white dragons, who are associated with cold, I could accidentally create you as a part of that battle. We are currently fighting (and wrecking) a hall of ice statues dedicated to the memory of the gods. Sound good?
A few quick notes... Nobody that is currently playing has those domains, so that's fine. Also, the general rule is 1 Greater Domain, 1 Moderate Domain +1 Lesser Domain, or 3 Lesser domains for starting gods. However, given that we're at the end of the game I doubt it matters as much. We could just toss those out as freebies... though that's not my decision. Toph?
You also seem intent on spreading the end of the world. There's nothing wrong with that (read: go beserk), but you may want to know that we aren't ending this LoC with a world-changing bang. Its simply coming to a close with a "and the story continues..." note after we defeat an enemy god, The Ancient Spirits of Evil. This is mainly because we have been suffering from participation decline. This last month has been rather suffocating in terms of player turnout. Its basically down to Toph, Raven of Dreams, Aradia, and myself.
Or would we just start another Setting? (As normal).
Anything else you want explained? Do you understand the rules on the first page of the OCC?
No. You could start as anyone you wanted, and the setting would be changed. History is scratched as well.
Anything else you want explained? Do you understand the rules on the first page of the OCC?
I might just wait until this game's next incarnation. :/
I'm a little busier than I thought.
And yeah, I know, I skipped the reset. We're using PP so slowly anyways... everyone just assume they always have some ;P
so... time is... not... my friend at the moment
When is it ever?
EDIT: Is anybody on mibbit anymore? I will endeavor to lurk within the chatroom over the coming days.
I have a cool idea for the chase, but it would require all seven suns back in the sky. In *fact*, I think its a good final post for my God to make before the end of the game.
Lets remember to have TASOE charge at me again at some point
*thinks up something else to do*
Having writer's block. If I don't come up with something soon, I'll post to move forward with the stuff I *do* know what I want to do next.
Oh, no, nothing that serious. If I have to, I'll just post something boring... I just want some cool ways to deal with transitioning through the world of the dead to the realm of the Craterspawn Hordes.
Oh hey guys.
Just started to read this thread again at the point shortly after I left and so far, I'm kinda loving what I see.
I think Azgo is about to kill you. Want to jump back in and defend yourself?
So we should figure out what else we want to wrap up before the end.
I have four additional plotlines to settle.
1) the Azer. I'm going to have my Azer-beyond-the-lake Giroth try and find some adventurers to get down to Sil Arkesh and see what is going on.
2) The Dwarves. We've got Oni in the Dwarven city. We should make that into an interesting plot point.
3) The brewing war to the West.
4) Set up the cult of the unknown God (I try and make sure that whatever I use for an opening quotation actually could have been written in-game. I am more or less successful with this depending on the game. My high point would be the Culthet-Mishway game, where I made the author of the opening passage one of my major characters, and actually described her writing the relevant book. The low point... might be this game, where it appears I am going to create the relevant group in the last week of the game or something.
Anyways, those are my four. What else should we make sure gets addressed?
Oh, and in case people haven't noticed, I'm not resetting anymore. Spend whatever PP you want, I think we all know what we're doing.
1. Timmy.
2. Godbeasts...especially the behemoth balors
3. Interactions between the east and the west.
4. Downfall of the blasphemous elves
Well, then I think we need to move Timmy along! James, care to join us?
As for East/West... I have an idea for that. I'll post about it tonight.
Anyway, reason I came back is to check how far along this game is as i'd love to take part in the next one, although in a more villianous role...
You are in mortal peril and must defend yourself! Act NOW!
In all seriousness, as you can see, we're wrapping up. I give it a week or two before we have it all finished, at which point we *really* should try and make a concerted effort to get this thing up on the wiki in some form... and then we wait for the next game to start, which... will... be... eventually :D
My current idea is tied to the suns, and how the suns were linked to Agni in the cave before. Now, as more suns become activated (over the course of the fight that will happen between Agni and TASOE), the talisman will gain more and more colors, one for each color of dragon. TASOE should remain dominant up until the second to last sun, and at the final sun, TASOE will be driven from Agni, stunned and then Sa will finish him off with magic flower-power (I think a post about how Sa can't deactivate the Not-God while TASOE is active might be in order.
Of course, the final sun is only going to rise into the heavens when the Dragons succeed. Forgotten, do you want to describe what the Abyss looks like now as a setting IC before we go diving into it?
Crash Course on the Abyss
The Abyss is divided into four layers, each representing a Firstborn sin. The First layer is a near pitch-black icy cavern system that has no obvious sky. This is where souls of ignoble loyalty remain, basically anyone that was good in Azgo's eyes except for their loyalty to the Firstborn. Pale souls wander aimlessly, moaning in regret and hollow pain. The Forge of Thereus is behind a 1000 foot wall of black ice and beneath a carving of Pruinus. Only a deity can pass through the ice... And it is terribly painful.
The second layer is a disease ridden jungle filled with locusts. The greedy souls remain here, still stuck in the glories of the past and gathering others in petty wars for territory and glory. Sulferous springs rise up and out of the ground, mossy floors act as sponges for bile and thin blood. The air is muggy with the smell of corpses.
The third layer is reached by diving into a large lake of tears. Upon resurfacing, the jungle is replaced with a boundless sea of acid. There are only a few floating rocks and countless souls wrestle for positions on the islands before they sink into the currents below. The souls drawn here are filled with violence and scorn. They attempt to drown one another in the sea instead of working together. Some say that Azgo carved a copy of the words of the First across the seafloor in case Guvarah An was captured.
The fourth layer of the Abyss is a desert wasteland and only a handful of powerful, ancient souls find their way here. The sky is a dull, lifeless gray and sandstorms constant batter the few inhabitants. The dunes constantly move. The entrance into the final layer of the Abyss, a gate resembling the skeleton of Zebus, is hidden here beneath one of the dunes
The Abyss is divided into four layers, each representing a Firstborn sin. The First layer is a near pitch-black icy cavern system that has no obvious sky. This is where souls of ignoble loyalty remain, basically anyone that was good in Azgo's eyes except for their loyalty to the Firstborn. Pale souls wander aimlessly, moaning in regret and hollow pain. The Forge of Thereus is behind a 1000 foot wall of black ice and beneath a carving of Pruinus. Only a deity can pass through the ice... And it is terribly painful.
The second layer is a disease ridden jungle filled with locusts. The greedy souls remain here, still stuck in the glories of the past and gathering others in petty wars for territory and glory. Sulferous springs rise up and out of the ground, mossy floors act as sponges for bile and thin blood. The air is muggy with the smell of corpses.
The third layer is reached by diving into a large lake of tears. Upon resurfacing, the jungle is replaced with a boundless sea of acid. There are only a few floating rocks and countless souls wrestle for positions on the islands before they sink into the currents below. The souls drawn here are filled with violence and scorn. They attempt to drown one another in the sea instead of working together. Some say that Azgo carved a copy of the words of the First across the seafloor in case Guvarah An was captured.
The fourth layer of the Abyss is a desert wasteland and only a handful of powerful, ancient souls find their way here. The sky is a dull, lifeless gray and sandstorms constant batter the few inhabitants. The dunes constantly move. The entrance into the final layer of the Abyss, a gate resembling the skeleton of Zebus, is hidden here beneath one of the dunes
Do you see that?! That's an example of what I have to correct every few minutes. I literally just stopped typing to see that was the result. So bear with me if some things seem out of place or of poor quality.
On to the next order of business... James. Are you going to post? Azgo's stuck in time, and I would love to have amother battle with you or move forward in some regard. As for Aradia's question, I'm sorry but I don't. Toph? Raven?
Abyss post updated with a question for Cantorix.
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I'll write it up tonight, and post it tomorrow unless James posts even a singular letter between now and the next morning.
Wait... characters or players? Cause if we're talkin' players here, we need to discuss payment and preferred methods up front. Mibbit perhaps? I'll be there tonight starting... right now.
Also, I'm home once more at my Keyboard. I will agree with eariler posters in saying that phone-posting bites.
Edit: Curiously, this site will take *anything* in brackets and make it into a tag.
What I meant was, should have put Drawl /drawl tags around it.
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This is TheForgottenCommand. I have been cast adrift and my ship is critically damaged! Coordinates approximately... in the Homebrew forum, somewhere orbiting Cluster-OO/IC. Can anyone hear me, over?!
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I'm one of the few survivors of a great cataclysm. I- Almost all of my friends are missing and our mission is unfinished. This is a critical emergency; Can ANYONE hear me, over?
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(Whimper) Is there anyone out there?
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*Static*
Sorry, was at a conference where the internet was complete garbage. You'll have a post tonight.
I'll flat out admit: I have no excuse. I have been growing more and more lazy as of late. I will get that post, and more, up tonight.
I was starting to get u[pset when I saw that no one was posting when we're so close. Is anyone waiting on me? I will make that a top priority.
Forgotten, I had the most BRILLIANT post planned before I realized that the dwarf is... someone we know already
We should also start working on pushing this into the final tiers of play, I'm sad to say. Things must come to an end sooner or later...
And yeah. The TASOE/Agni fight is a ticking clock, basically. Before the Seventh Sin of Agni comes around, we've gotta wrap up the dragons at least, and probably most everything else, too.
I have an idea for the invitation. What if its an invitation for an obscure dwarf (occupation) to come to the queen's court? That would give zTimmy and Firebrand a reason to loop Giroth into their adventure after the whole Sil Arkesh buisness.
I was actually planning on leaving the Arkesh situation somewhat unresolved... although I have a key update for that entire plotline that I need to get out of my head in a way that seems acceptable.
I am still here. Posting on the morrow.
Still waiting for Agni's newest riposte to TASOE.
And by that I mean I got Fire Emblem: Awakening and It has consumed even my very soul in past days. Still around.
One of those dragons is yours!As to my lack of response... we have to finish the dragon story before that story can end... so I've been delaying
Response tomorrow.
Well, Raven... yeah you do
As to my lack of response... we have to finish the dragon story before that story can end... so I've been delaying
Response tomorrow.
But that's just it - the only reason Lucan is involved, is because he's the only named Azure dragon.
Whoooo!!
While I am in the process of finishing up my dissertation this week and next, and therefore have next to no time whatsoever! Brilliance!
Ah, good, then you're okay with me being consumed by work recently as well!
So... I leave for a two week vacation where I doubt I'll have reliable internet access on September 15th. Lets try and finish everything up by then *nods*
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Talk about a crapsack world...
Any advice on Timmy? I once again have some writer's block on how to proceed with that angle.
Edit: Untill 10pm MST I will be in mibbit. Drob by if ya can.
EDIT 2: Nope. For some reason i keep disconecting to the server. Also the room no longer has the normal message upon entering. Did somebody delete the room or something?
Hello,
Is there anybody in there?
Just nod if you can hear me.
Is there anyone at home?
Come on now.
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That includes you, ff6shadow. I see your "guest" marker floating about.
Toph -- If by Veok you mean Raven, then my answer remains the same:
I have no skin in the dragon resolution game. That's y'all's baby, and I'm not going to jump in, especially now that y'all are so close to resolution (I think? Haven't been able to read the IC thread on account of new forum-ness).
IC Link for you, Raven. http://community.wizards.com/content/forum-topic/3637511?page=14
RaVeoken, :P
Well, Forgotten, I figured it would be a little odd to do a spit-take over the admission of the death of Pruinus, then just go back to talking about the nature of Power :P
As for what changed my mind... well, the fact that is has been 4 days and nothing seems to have changed is... annoying, but really the final straws for me are the deletion of the Haven (not cool) and the organization of the threads in order of creation date. LoC NEEDS to be on the first page for new players to find us, and burying us pages and pages back... well, we have trouble enough as it is trying to find people to join us.
Wizards?! What the ____!!
I can't post in the IC!! Every time I go to the page it logs me out, and every time I log in it takes me away from the page!!!
Venting
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That Venting sblock is the best thing I've seen all week :D
500 post mark complete. I'd be all excited and everything if I wasn't so tired and fed up with Wizards...
So here's my celebration: 
Well, would you look at that? Seems the threads are now organized by timeframe of the last post rather than starting date. A welcome change.
Okay. Better.
my fond divine friends, and gods(esses). I hate to say it, but I think due to the pain and frustration of the new forums (that hurt my head everytime I look at it) I'm going to be moving to less painful pastures. Where I'll find myself I don't know, but I swear I think WotC had been reading this particular game and decided to recreate the forums as Azgo would. Painful, confusing, and mind-seering. I can't find anything. I can't track anything. I got lucky finding this particular thread. With my home, the pbp haven on life support, this thread is finalizing, rl taking over and not in a good way, and so much more that have gone wrong wizards you mucked this one up bad.... I can still be reached via pm (I hope?) I wish you all the very best.
Now I must go. The glaring insanity of the forums is messing with my head. Good luck and game on.
Check in every once in a while... we're likely all moving. We'll keep you posted (or try to... stupid forums) as to where we end up.
Yeah, don't vanish Joran. We have plans :D
... Guess what their next course of action will be.
Also, that's pretty generous of you. "Upgrade" is not the word i would use.
Baby steps. They also fixed the CSS on the "first undread" button and removed the empty 1/3 div when viewing forum topics.
Still to handle:
- Enter = paragraph return. Stahp!
- No page navigation at top of page.
- No way to set the number of posts per page.
- Quotes need to be visually distinct from normal messages.
(And for the record "Save" instead of "Post" is a stupid change)
So... how's Germany? Oder Deutschland?
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Does anyone know how to delete a post if they acidentaly hit "save"? (should be marked as Post)
Oh boy. Vanishing Avatars once more. Easily fixed :P
To answer your question, Forgotten, I've been told that if you edit the post, there is a delete button near the bottom. It seems to be hit or miss if it actually appears though.
Hah, checked my email. They removed the avatar and my post about it being removed the first time. Apparently for the acronym I used involving 'WT". So yeah, a silly little internet acronym is why we have a moderator in here deleting posts and removing my avatar pic.
And I apologize for the triple post, but the edit button is giving me errors right now.
Thanks.
Okay, I was wondering what was going on with posts being deleted :D
I'm here... its taking me a while to get settled in, and I'm pretty tired from jetlag, but I should be posting again soon.
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I don't understand it either. At first I thought it would be "sind", but the expression is Aller Anfang ist schwer. I did dubious double checking to make sure. Look it up if you're curious.
Perhaps I am wrong. Toph might be able to shed some light...
Perhaps this LoC should be ended unofficially at this time... It has had a good, long life. If Toph can post only once every few days, that could take a lot of time; time that could be spent readying up for the next LoC and our exodus (I know nobody is calling it that, but i really adore that word. So... mystical...).
Whoa, Whoa.
I'm only gone till next friday :P
Posting now...
That said, Raven... planning to post anytime soon? :D
Topheh wrote:
I am
Although we need Raven to finish this all off as well
Raven has made it very clear that he has nothing to do with the dragon game, and the fight with Tasoe seems to have been postponed untill our conversation is finished. There are other things to post on however...
Also, what's up with "Aller Anfang ist schwer"? Shouldn't it be plural?
Aller/Alles (depends on dialect) Anfangen sind schwer, is how I would put it: 'all beginnings are hard,' right? Angfang would be singularld, so 'all' before it doesn't necessarially work. Jeder (every) Anfang ist schwer would work fine, though.
That said, three more suns to go, Raven!
Still ending with the Zizu, yes?
Yes.
So, uh. Good news; I'm all caught up on the IC thread.
Bad news: this new forum still sucks for all kinds of navigation. Specifically, I can't seem to find a way to search the thread for my previous posts, nor can I find a link anywhere on my profile to my latest posts.
So expect a post from me once I sort out where "me" is.
*laughs*
Well, yeah. This thing is a whole bunch of... silly.
Anyways, back from a weekend of travelling... while travelling. My wife declared at one point that she thought it would be fun to order from a menu in french and, in doing so, finally put to use the french class she took in high school... so my aunt and uncle decided to drive us to france for the weekend. The Strasbourg cathedral is... something else.
Anyways, there was no internet at our hotel, so... no posting. Getting on that... now.
Just like the French to lack internet access for (insert your nationality/ethnicity here) tourists. That's interesting though, that you can just drive to other countires on the weekend. I always thought of traveling between countires as a large, complicated trip. I guess over in Europe its a lot more akin to traveling between the states. Just a few hours...
Yep. It was pretty awesome. My wife was THRILLED.
I like the Cantorix ending. I'm planning a little something special with the White Dragon Stuck In A World Of Eternal Heat as well
The time is nigh. It feels.. almost alien, this LoC coming to a close. It felt like we only started two months ago. But here we are 7-8 months later...
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Wow. That was sobbering. And I'd be lying if I didn't say it was a little depressing.
Then come on, Toph, let's get'r done!
And I am back. Lets get this finished!
Forgotten...
Do I have your permission to end the Abyss portion? I plan to have the dragons rise slowly out of the Abyss following the sun while Paren is wrenched into the world to deal with Ka'Vah.
Raven...
Lets do this ;)
What's done is done. Let it be finished.
Also, its time Azgo honored his promise. (Deep breath)... .... ... ... Let's do this.
Forgotten,
just to let you know, I plan to take Agni out of action at the end of the game. Perhaps Azgo could react in some way to the fact that all of the Firstborn appear to be... out of action?
Sa is planning on leaving as well. (For what it's worth).
Not sure if "Godless world" or "Only a single, mostly despised god world" I like better.
Topheh wrote:
Oh. Right. Ka'Vah is actually... like... doing good things. I love ethical dilemmas. :D
Topheh wrote:
Indeed. This LoC has definitely been the 'I'd hate to be a mortal' game. So many completely uncaring gods at once is definitely a record... we usually have at least a few that are VERY passionate about the protection of life.
But yes, endgame time. The oldest exarch and the youngest (I think... not counting the one I just made which is more an epic foe than anything else) exarch are about to fight, the Agni-TASOE-Sa battle is about to come to an end, and Azgo is about to destroy the world *again* :P
That said... you raise an important balancing point... we should have some *normal* monsters for people to fight. Raven, perhaps TASOE can shed off a few dozen monster types during the fight? I, as admin, grant you... oh... you think 1000 AP will be enough? :D
We might also want to do an epilogue/indentifing current loose ends across the world, detailing what is happening and what may happen in the next few years/generations. Things like: High Ithol navy establishes base on Elder continent and begins to spread forces too thin, Timmy Bushytail delivers Azgo's message to the elves, the Giants/Galeb Duhr retreat even further into their mountain homes and attempt to repair The Way established by their dead god, the cult of the First god grows in size and eventually draws the attention and, suprisingly enough, protection of the cults of Azgo... etc.
Just a thought. Like a summary of everything when its all said and done. I'd be willing to do it, should you be disinclined due to workload.
Oh, definitely. I've always prefered that as a capstone to everything. We are, after all, making a campaign setting
Wait. How many 'endless source of evil monsters that are only being stopped by valiant efforts of good/not-so-good mortals' do we have at the moment? It seems that both of the GodMonsters that have been defeated thus far are producing either balors or dragonspawn non-stop.
Which, of course, raises the question... what monsters will the Zizu eternally spawn, and HOW HORRIBLE IS IT TO LIVE IN THIS WORLD?
Leviathen was defeated along with the Dragonspawn, Paren cast them beneath the mountain or destroyed them as far as i can remember. Behemoth produced invincable balors which are currently being "placated" by Azgo's army, Zizu is still in the Great Beyond, unsure what he will do. Harpies maybe? Necrotic undead harpies fueled with the souls of the righteous dead?
Have I mentioned its nice to talk with you more than once a day again? Its nice...
It is, isn't it? Now that I don't have extremely gracious and overwhelmingly nice relatives driving me all over europe on a daily basis... I actually have time to post! We should (raven too!) try to get on mibbit... tomorrow, maybe... and discuss the end of all of this.
And while Paren did cast the Leviathan into a pocket dimension, the dragonspawn do periodically escape as a sort of pressure-valve on the whole dimension... the idea is that the dragonborn cities are built around the portal and they fight periodic wars against emerging dragonspawn hordes
I like the harpies idea.
UGH. Wrote a long post, moving along not only the fight, but trying to flesh out other parts of the world... and deleted it.
I'll try and work up the motivation to rewrite it tonight.
*shakes head*
What you need is a venting sblock. A loooooooooooong sblock...
*waves* Back, I was on the recieving end of a short ban. So, how goes the game?
DoNotLookHereIfYouValueYourSanity
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Whoa, short ban?
Well, that's totally going to keep you on these boards :P
Game is like... <10 posts from finishing, I feel.
To quote a friend of mine
Topheh wrote:
Oh my. A cookie.
Okay. I can summarize the other stuff I wanted in the end-of-game summary posts... waiting for the motivation to write all that again would just delay the game from progressing.
Speaking of the game, though... Forgotten, how do we want our little fight right now to end? I have this delightful idea of an eternal storm that slowly travels over the surface of the world (like, really slowly... tens to hundreds of feet a day or something) and forces anything in its way to flee or be killed. It would seem... fitting for the setting (geez, this setting has totally been catharthic for my 'lets do tons of horrible destruction to innocent people for no particular reason' side :P). I can see a few possible reasons for such a storm:
1) It is Paren and Ka'Vah stuck in eternal conflict. One day, one will make a mistake and the other will win. We can have some delightful prophesies/organizations spring up seeking to help one side or the other (because if Ka'Vah wins... the world is in trouble, I feel).
2) Paren kills Ka'Vah and the storm is his legacy (or something of that vein. An interesting (possible) idea is that the storm is what remains of Ka'Vah when Scorch dies within him.)
3) They kill one another. This is, basically, 1 mixed with 2.
4) Paren is killed (this is the logical final option, although I'm not sure how it would work, in particular).
I vote for three. As for how Paren kills Ka'Vah... I say Scorch understands what he has to do, and takes control of the body for a few seconds, enough for Paren to get in a deathblow. But as he is dying, Ka'Vah reasserts control and grapples the too-close-for-comfort Paren and tears him apart. The mixing of their corrupted sides' corpses (Ka'Vah and Paren's subdued Ashen Remorhaz) creates the storm. And the only places the storm never touches is the Moot, as a lasting vestige of Paren and Azgo's pact.
I'm a llitle sad though. This means Azgo's only ally will be the demented, obsessive Artun. It doesn't help recruitment drives to be honest...
... Hey, I'm being left with basically no divine characters left by the end of this. Be happy you have a... defective ally :P
Actually... Kill Paren first. A Rhemorhaz bursting from Paren's dying form to eat Ka'Vah seems *very* satisfying.
Oh, hey, another round of forum updates. Navigation at the bottom of pages (good!) signature separation bars (good!) and "can navigate back to the forum from pages other than the first page in a thread" (also good!)
Still way too much wasted space everywhere else, though.
And to return to the Balor debate -- the Balor are immortal, but sufficiently damaging it makes it take time to regenerate. We're talking *years*. So, like the dragonspawn, it's a periodic threat, as Balor defeated in different era return to power, and are (hopefully) killed once more.
If you say so.
Hey uhh, quick clarification.
TheForgottenCommand wrote:
It also seems we're all here. I'll be in mibbit for an hour or two...
Oh Geez. I'm sorry. I read 'Agni wanted peace' not 'Azgo wanted peace'. Will edit.
Well http://gizmodo.com/any-animal-that-touches-this-lethal-lake-turns-to-stone-1436606506 is a creepy source of inspiration...
*Looks around for Toph*
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*Waits*
Sorry.
My cat is dying... completely unexpectantly... it's... making it hard for me to find motivation to post.
It turns out that the adoption place we got him from lied, and gave us a 10-year old cat instead of a 1-year old cat. Now, five years later, the cat is suddenly (like, within 48 hours) dying of kidney failure. If we had known the cat was 10, we still would have gotten him, but... well, we would have been checking for things like this regularly, as opposed to assuming that he was young and sprightly.
Explains a number of things though.
Anyways... I'll post tomorrow. I have a long span of time that I have nothing much to do but wait and see if he's going to make it and be able to come home for a few weeks/months... I should be able to post then. Expect something dark and laden with sorrow...
Which appears to match the tone of this game anyways... How... "Excellent"
Whoa. Toph, there are more important things than LoC. If you need to end this game early, that's fine.
I'm sorry, if that's worth anything. I remember when my last dog died of cancer in the joints. We didn't even know she had it until it was much too late. She was a **** fine dog. Took me months to think about her without chokin' up. Animals have a way of doin' that: meaning more than you expect them to... good thing too.
God be with you.
Thank you
No, lets finish this. We're like... 5 posts from the end or something. You'll have a post tomorrow.
Cat is gone Post beginning now.
5 Flights, Raven?
I assume you mean the dragons... but there should be six...
Red
Black
Blue
Orange
White
Gold
Hey, Uhh... real quick: What is happening on the outside of the Agni/TASOE mindbattle? I know there's Agni/ Tasoe, Sa... is there Onus still? What else is going on?
You know, I don't... really know. I think Agni is kinda floating there motionless, Sa is doing something... and I think that Onus is dead, but I'm not sure.
Raven?
I would like to know so Azgo can do something worthwile rather than killing Pruinus and arriving only to stand there drooling.
Oops, yeah. 6 Flights. Too much thinking chromatic flights. Except we're not, 'cause Gold / Azure / Orange.
To Forgotten:
Essentially what was/has been happning, is that Sa created a fake Urru puppet to lure TASOE into. This part succeeded, but Agni got too close / pushed the right buttons, and TASOE jumped into Agni's mind before Sa could spring its trap.
So now Agni and TASOE are fighting, with the ultimate goal of displacing TASOE back into the Urru puppet so Sa can (finally) spring its trap and imprison TASOE.
So if Azgo were to appear, he'd see Agni and (apparently) Urru, gripping each other tightly, surrounded by flower petals (Sa) who is doing its bets to orchestrate things internally in a way to prevent TASOE from escaping again. Ideally, this will let Agni get out alive, but imprisoning TASOE is Sa's bigger priority.
That said, if Azgo shows up, I'd be more than willing to throw a Zizu out of Agni and let you fight that.
*grins*
Do it.
EDIT: Just to be clear, I just arrived, as in just arrived.
TheForgottenCommand wrote:
TheForgottenCommand wrote:
TheForgottenCommand wrote:
Foolish me... I was hoping that I was inferring it without explictly naming it, with all the semi-destiny, old promise to agni stuff. Shoulda been more specific.
Speaking of which... is the dragonspawn battle still going on? Or did you mean Craterspawn?
Hey Toph. How you feeling? PM me if you need to... I'm always around when I can be.
Um... let me post before the Zizu comes flying out of my form to attack Azgo... I have... something that needs to happen there.
As far as I am concerned, the Dragonspawn are currently dormant, but this could be modified The Craterspawn Balor war... that is going on in full.
And I...
I'm doing okay. Shook up about the whole thing, mostly in its unexpectedness. Its hard to adjust to the notion that a week ago I had what seemed to be a happy and healthy cat... and today... there is no more cat because we had to put it down due to a chronic illness of old age... which we never thought to watch out for because we thought our cat was 10 years younger than we had been told (and our vets never thought to check on that until he was dying).
Weirdest part was at work today. I work in a genetics lab, doing, among other things, research involving lab mice. I was having... complicated... emotions when saccing them today, even though the way we do it is very different from the way my cat was put down. I... *really* hope that particular reaction to all of this goes away, and quickly.
Forgotten... you planning on posting for Ka'Vah Paren... or should I just go ahead with that? I have an idea for my next post that requires me to move both battles on simultaneously.
Sorry, was gone for the weekend. If you want to move the P/KV battle along, by all means. I'll be focusing on the Zizu.
Oh my. A revelation.
Is it true?
Is it a lie?
Lets find out!
Holy ****.
Now I know the original twist was that Azgo is no Firstborn, instead created by TASOE to unleash suffering in the world. That there is no First, or that the First did not create the plan as Azgo envisioned... but what if TASOE is the First? And this is the plan, for the gods to be destroyed and the world for mere amusement? That all the structure, the details of the plan, the creation of the gods was all meaningless drivel meant to propel Azgo into dutiful servitude? That the force that drove Azazel and Go'El was the First laying the seeds of his most destructive weapon...?
And the end of the game is Azgo and Sa rebelling against the First, rathering than completeing the plan? Wow... that would be... equal parts existential and nilhistic for an LoC... and think of the impact on Azgo...
Wow. I like where this is going.
Heh.
I've been toying with the idea for a while... but I wanted to give you the final say as to whether or not TASOE was telling a lie or not. Any possible reaction and response... is absolutely perfect.
But I really like this one, particularly because we never had the evil/good dichotomoy that we thought we were going to get with Thought and Ara.
Topheh wrote:
Good points. Edited.
Also, take in mind that TASOE may or may not be lying about ALL of these things :D
Topheh wrote:
I don't know... this seems much too good for it to be a lie. Such potential...
I know. I just know that I am treading all over your backstory as well as the backstory of the entire game, and want to put it out there in a BIG disclaimer that I am not (necessarially) changing everything
In my mind its cannon, regardless of others' opinions. Especially since I have just the idea for an ending in mind... something fitting.
Firstly: Toph, I would like for you to plant the final dagger. Reveal to Azgo who made him the way he is. Who betrayed him.
And then: Do we want a "Bad Guy Wins" ending or a Bittersweet ending? I'd prefer the bittersweet to be honest.
EDIT: You feeling better Toph? I know its been about a week, but has anything changed? Is work better?
Wait... who betrayed him, TASOE? I'm going to assume you mean TASOE
As for the ending...
Agni's not dead... yet Once that last sun rises... Well, my plan was always to make Agni the prison that Urru was supposed to be, made of unbreakable God-Diamond to seal TASOE in forever. Agni *would* die in the process, forming his body into a final, unifying Sun that pulsed with the eternal rage of TASOE, releasing it periodically in a season called 'Summer' (we, after all, have a Winter and Spring season, so we should probably round that out with either Summer or Fall, and leave the last one to be the current 'default' season. Azgo would... do something, and the world would be left with A god of promises... which is kinda a cool setting idea, I think.
I'm totally open to other suggestions, though. What were you thinking?
And... yeah, I'm better. Still strange and sad, but... work isn't a problem anymore and things are slowly returning to a semblance of normalcy.
Topheh wrote:
Oh dear. The Nihilism of the bad ending is... just...
Wow.
I think we need Raven's opinion on all of this :D
Agreed.
I said I prefered the bittersweet ending earlier, however... if we are ever going to do an evil ending for an LoC, this is the one to do it with.
What I had been going for was that Sa would imprison TASOE, and leave the universe, taking TASOE with it.
The Orihana knights are there to maintain magic (the only Divine gift that has actually helped mortals, starting with Urru giving arcane magic to help fight the craterspawn) after Sa leaves.
Also speaking of the knights, their lances were never intended to be physical. They don't need to *kill* Agni's diamond body, they just need to dimensional nail him into *a* body so that he can't do that shifty body-jumping thing he likes to do.
I'm a fan of helping Azgo "defy" the first and split, and that was what I was originally offering way back longback when Azgo first received the knowledge of the gift of divine magic. To split into Azael and Go'el -- a Promise of what Might Have Been.
Toph, if you're dead set on being a sun, I'm of no mind to convince you otherwise, and I believe I shall be nailing TASOE into your corpse presently.
We've been building up the ever more colorful pendant around Agni's neck and how it corresponds to the dragons and to the suns in the heavens, and it would be kinda... dissapointing to not have *something* happen with Agni when the last sun hits the World once more. Am I dead set on being a sun? No... but it seemed a logical notion.
The nailing and the sealing and the burning would be... an option.
More tomorrow from me. Had a conference that lasted all day, and I'm completely exausted.
Or we could seal EVERYONE inside Agni's body and have an eternal fight :P
Only... mostly not serious about this one. However, I think its always good in a setting to have one possible 'REALLY BAD THING' that could happen... which in this case would be the release of TASOE back into the world (which is why I'm not sure I like the idea of sending him out of the universe entirely.). What would be interesting if we *all* were trapped or at least forced into non-interference with the world would be that when TASOE breaks free... we all do, and suddenly the 'return of the Gods' happens and all of the random religions that have sprung up around the legends of the Gods and that have been sustained by the Knights suddenly have to deal with the very real and actual presence of their deities on the surface.
An aside: Ara and I once kicked around an idea for a very *different* sort of LoC, where instead of playing a God, you played a God's religion, and had only very limited control over things like molding the land and creating new species, those basically being the result of 'answered prayers' that would require great expenditures of 'prayer energy' while more mundane things like technological spread, civilization contact and inter-religious conflict would be 'normal cost' PP actions. The thing is, the Gods wouldn't even have to exist. I was toying around with a religion of oracles, who was paid in secrets... but all their oracular 'divinely given' knowledge was just a MASSIVE amount of rumor processing and distilling with a good degree of deliberate shoves to move events in the ways they would prefer things to go... and all of the high priests knew it (but the rank and file thought that Avom, God of Prophesy, was real). Anyways, We thought it might be an interesting alternative to our standard games, but it never really got beyond the brainstorming stages. Does this interest either of you? (or anyone else who is still lurking?)
Sounds interesting...
What about initial creation and formation of the world before the civilizations/religions we will be controlling arise? And it would make playing an unworshiped god (Sa, Artun, Urru...) impossible. I also feel part of the fun would be missing since your "influence" decreases by quite a bit. As a god, the player can affect the world in drastic, globaly historic ways (*cough* Invasion, sun-scattering, continent creation, permanent storms *cough*) whereas the player of a civilization would be much more limited.
Still, it would be a nice break from the inter-god conflicts we have currently, and it would make civiliation and mortals front and center (as compared to this one where even the hero of ages is basicaly a footnote).
We tried something similar, once... a small-scale LoC, with modified rules. Here's a link to the forum on the Group with the IC and OOC. It was a slightly different idea, focusing on the development of a city and the important families within it, but this was sort of my idea for the religion one... although the City was on a smaller scale. It would be... a different experience... than a normal LoC, exactly.
http://community.wizards.com/forums/93196
I *hope* the rules are still here: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1bw6RZEDZoupf7TckxmYKqiwpPqS2CsONdeILm6f60SU/edit?hl=en&authkey=CLCIsIkI
Two things:
One --- I don't expect to play another of these games. Twas fun at times, but unless every player signs a contract (preferably in blood!) to guarantee mandatory participation, I can't see myself wanting to get involved. It is as they say: "**** happens", and I sympathize, but it is no fun to wait days or weeks for a response that never comes. It's a combination feedback loop and self-fullfilling prophecy all in one, and I'm not sure if that's just inherent to play-by-post, or what, but if there were some way to do a real-time format, that might reignite my interest (I have a few ideas, but no promises -- no pun intended ;) ).
Two --- for the love of gods, please let's leave WotC. These forums + everything else are not kosher in my book.
Real-time would be fun
And yes. Our days on WotC are numbered.
Before you go, though, Veok... err... Raven, check out the Giant forums where we're probably going to go. They... seem to have a more active player base.
But yeah, blood contracts also work. You know how those work? Let me know.
There. I hope there is but a little bit of redemption in those final moments... just enough.
Azgo is dead.
The birth is nigh.
You know... a haunted pair of opposite divinities, tormented by the devastation they caused but mostly powerless after their rebirth...
Thats kinda an awesome idea.
Ummmmm....
Should Timmy kill TASOE?
Topheh wrote:
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What?
I like burning the world.
Umm.... I'm a fast reader? :D
I guess I didn't quite get the 'wracked with guilt' part of your proposal. I like that a lot.
Again. Dark Sun has nothing on this setting.
Topheh wrote:
Hey, if there could be a post or two describing the devestation of the land and souls swelling in number in the abyss, that would be great. I'd likea post or two to pass before moving forward.
In mibbit.
Limited internet over the weekend. Flying to a friend's wedding at 6:30 AM tomorrow morning. UGH.
Going to bed now, otherwise I'd drop into Mibbit.
Shadow was there... so it was not a wasted effort. Have *fun* at the wedding.. unless you're someone who actually has fun at weddings. In that case, have fun (notice lack of imbedded sarcasm). I hope the food's worth the trip.
Gonna try to get a destruction post up for you today, Forgotten
Thank you kindly. I'll put this LoC into its last breath tomorrow.
It was fun, actually.
It was at an aquarium and the sharks came to say hello
Everstorm made. Just one final fight to be had :D
Darn. I might be busy for a few days (2/3). I won't be getting anything up until then probably.
Thats okay.
As long as we're pretty much there by Nov. 1st and the start of Nanowrimo, all will be well :D
There. Hope it was worth the wait. That one took me... 1.5 hours. It includes call backs to Azgo's creation and Azgo's formation from Azazel/Go'El during the Altruis entrance. Enjoy.
I probably won't be posting for a few days.
ALso, I'm willing to edit out the Genesis Fire if we (including Raven if you're still around, and Shadow who I know is lurking) want the world to remain the same old hellhole it used to be. Or perhaps it stops when Azazel and Go'El are made into vestiges, creating a "garden" of rebirth, outside of which the world is stil wounded with the scars of the old gods' pettiness.
I guess it depends on how bittersweet we want this ending to be. Bittersweet? Bitter-Bittersweet? Or Sweet-Bittersweet, when the bitterness is less of an aftertaste and is something you are willing to suffer through for the lasting, if shallow, sweetness. Pick your poisen.
Hey again. I apologize for implying I might join back into this LoC and the next one, only to completely disappear from the face of the earth.
Obviously, I doubt at the moment I'll be able to join any ongoing games, although I'd always like to return in the future.
Pinch me, I must be dreaming...
James? Wow. Loooooooooooooooooooooooooong time no see.
I destroyed Pruinus by the way. But it was a good fight.
Wonderful post, Forgotten.
I'd say I'm not generally in favor of some sort of hard reset to the world and suddenly it is a happy, idyllic place. I think some sort of slowly expanding rebirth that spreads from that site at a slow and steady pace, eventually making the world beautiful, but... taking its (very long and sweet) time.
Now to wrap Agni, Sa and TASOE up. Raven, how do you want to do this? I'd still like the Suns/Amulet to play a role in some regard.
Speaking of...
We forgot the Zizu
So it turns out I may not be as busy as I had planned. Go figure.
I'm flexible in how this ends, although i prefer The Last to be a vestige of divine power and the other gods dead, absent, or .... something akin to that. Also, I did some looking into old threads.
What happened to this:
Topheh wrote:
We used to basically LIVE on Mibbit, and it became readily apparent to everyone that unless you were hanging out on Mibbit, your contributions to the LoC would be noticed less and included less in follow-up posts... which meant that you were more likely to quit. So we made a concious effort to... stop hanging out on mibbit so much. I think the levels it was at at the start of the game was pretty good, comparatively.
Hmmm... Interesting.
And what happened to the older players? Camu and the rest? That seemed to be only a few months before this LoC started.
Wow. Just occured to me that future people will be reading our LoC IC and OoC... weird.
Topheh wrote:
Err... Paren already went home, so I didn't mention him.
Let me know and I'll tweak my posts around...
Which is what you just sent me on Steam. I say Yes.
I see how it is. I post a question, and you post an answer two hours later.
Raven posts a question, and you answer in 14 minutes.
I see where your loyalties lay...
Also, in mibbit for those who wish to partake. Shadow is also there.
After generous review, I have removed the Genesis Fire entirely. I still want the old world, new powerless gods ending, rather than a total rebirth.
Another time perhaps...
*prods Raven*
What can I say? I like making entrances...
Also...
*prods Toph*
Then let us end this.
This post is going to take a little while, I'm fairly certain.
*Standing by to witness the end*
We doin' Epilogue sorta stuff?
Yeah. So get ready to figure out what the logical repercussions are of our recent actions.
I, personally, want to know how the cult of Azgo reacts to the sudden... changes... to their god(s)
Oh, you'll see.
*Waits for post*
...
Take your time. Give it its just due, even if that takes more than one afternoon.
Also, remember: I still want Azazel and Go'El to become almost powerless, more like very powerful ghosts than gods.
Mmmm.... right. *figures out a way to work that in*
Friends over for dinner... will finish tomorrow.
I am looking forward to enjoying the warm-fuzzies of a distinct end. I really hate things that just stop halfwa
I hate to admit it, but that made me smile.
Once again, in mibbit. This time only for an hour or so.
This might be the longest post I have ever written.
I *really* hope that the internet doesnt eat it before its done...
*copies over what he's worked on so far*
And there we have it. Agni dead, TASOE forever imprisoned (or so we hope!!!!!!!), the remaining Gods weakened... and the world not *actively* being destroyed anymore.
Well done.
Feels good to finish... feels strange.
So... a question that we should clear up before moving into the Epilogue: What's going on with Sa? Dead? Unscratched? Decidedly leaving?
And How are we doing the Summary? Things as is? A century later and expected results of current endeavors?
I *think* Sa is meant to be weakened as well. I depicted him as being blown away by the force of TASOE's passing, but I imagine a closing post from each of you to explain what happened to the gods themselves are in order.
As for the Summary... Yes to both? A synopsis of the current status of an object followed by a brief description of what is likely to come?
So... Example:
Agni'Vohda: The Agni'Vohda were mostly spared from the devastation that occured at the end of the Age of Divines, finding themselves protected by the Eternal Volcano. In time, their reputation as assassins grew, and more and more people began to seek them out for their support, for which there was always a few brave Agni'Vohda willing to risk their lives in the open world in return for a great reward.
I'm working on a post. I found some time.
I'll be working on a post this weekend.
In mibbit for an hour or so. Feel free to drop by and exchange epilouge ideas.
Once again, in mibbit.
TheForgottenCommand wrote:
I've got an hour and a half before I hit the hay (11pm).
Goodnight.
Did anyone ever figure out how to search *within* a thread?
Ha.
Take three guesses, and know the first two don't count.
Topheh wrote:
Hmm.
Well, thats annoying.
For Nanowrimo, I'm writing a story set in one of our LoCs and I was trying to do background research on a few... issues.
Ah well.
Is anyone else planning on posting non-summary posts? Because if not... I'll get started.
Go ahead. I would like to see what format we will be using for the summary.
We're all still around right?
TheForgottenCommand wrote:
Yeah. Sorta. string of 12+ hour days at work are starting to get to me.
That's fine.
We could just end it here. There doesn't need to be an epilgoue, really. The action's all set and done, the stoyry complete. Even if its difficult for DM's to use the setting (and I'm not sure if that will happen, mind you), the narrative itself is satisfactory. That's enough for me truely. I didn't come here to build a setting so much as a participate in group storytelling.
Mibbit...
Yeah, Forgotten, that works for me. I don't have anything else that I feel the need to finalize.
So... GG, wp?
Sure.
Lovely end to all of this. Really enjoyed it. Lets reconvene in December or so and start talking about another iteration or so.
On the Giants forums of course. My username there is... wait, take a guess. Go on, really take a guess.
Username
IAmForgotten. Not far off the mark, were ya?
*waves*
*Salutes*
I'LL FOLLOW YOU INTO THE VOID!
Hahahaha. Wow... that was the last thing I was expecting. Well then...
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Hey, if you guys are still playing, ill join in.
Name: Typhan
Greater Domain: Water
Moderate Domain: Oceans
Lesser Domain: Luck
(If you want me to change any of these, just tell me)
Physical Apperance: Typhan stands at about 7 feet. His body is made up of regular flesh but looks as if scales cover most of his body, his hands and toes are all webbed, and he has four arms.
http://images.geeknative.com.s3.amazonaws.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/sahuagin-2.png (This is basically it, except he isnt green, and he does not have that abundance of scales on him)
Personality: To Typhan, the element of water comes first before anything. He is very friendly twords other gods of elements and tries to be on good terms with the others. With that being said, Typhan is very easy going, not really caring for the the other gods, besides the elementals of course, but if you damge any part of the oseans he will become displeased in you. He wishes for gods to ask him before they try to do anything in the oceans and will most likley say yes. Typhan tries to remain out of big conflicts, or just conflicts all together, with the other gods. He will offer his advice when it is most needed though, and he will not hesitate to speak his mind.
Divine Symbol: http://www.thespiritofwater.com/images/Triad.jpg But blue.
Hey CaNMaN22, we actually just stopped about a week ago.
However! We will be starting up a new game sometime in December at the Giant in the Playground play-by-post forums. If you want, I can send you a PM when we start and you can create an account and join us. We'd be more than happy to have you.
Oh okay, But please, send me that pm when that time comes!
See you then.
The GIANT forums are... scary.
I count FOUR concurrent LoCs going on right now. The most recent one is on page FIVE because no one has posted in it since YESTERDAY.
I think its safe to say we won't be at a loss for players.
We're going to need to work on the rules a bit... I think our freeform style is going to explode under the pressure :D
Our rules certainly could use some scrutiny... however, I like the difference and difference can preform well if all its competitors are similar.
But if we are looking elsewhere, I have very firmly established myself in Mythweavers. No LoC's, and I do think people would be open to them.
Also: Did you get my PM? I was testing out the GitP message system.
Yeah, I did. I friended you... did it... tell you that?
Nope. After a few minutes of looking I have found a "Buddy/Ignore" list. No one's on it. Let me send you a request, see if that works.
I guess its just a... one sided friendship. I am your friend... but you are not mine.
...
I see how it goes. :D
I'm sorry Toph. Its not you... its... well, okay its you. Honestly, have you ever spent five minutes with yourself? You're too nice Toph, and that enthusiasm! Its draining on the soul, it is.
Anyways, I have no idea how the GitP friends/Buddies system works at all.
*cries in a corner*
I have been unable to locate either of you.
Well, I found you in about 30 seconds. Hello! :D
http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t=283705 is an interesting look at the rules for the Giant version of LoC. Also interesting (and refreshing) to see them complaining and trying to fix the same problems we are :D
I have made it! After wandering aimlessly for the longest time, working and such, I have made my way back here. Sadly I still hate these forums..... I do however have made a profile in the GitP forums, and mythweavers, of which the latter I have been an user of for a while now. Both seem to be very nice places with a better forum (it looks nicer anyways.) So, give me a pm there some time! Hopefully by then I'll no longer be banging my head against the keyboard hoping things will improve.
On an aside, Toph you and shadow where easy to find and friend over there at GitP. Forgotten, can't find you....Yet! I have the same name there as I do here.
Yeah, for some reason "IamForgotten" isn't showing up under the "all users" thing. I'm Bumblebrie over there because I like Bumblees and also cheese.
EDIT: Oh, and Joran, are you just "Joran" over there? Because I can't find a "Joran1313" but there is a "Joran" but is that you?
I have no idea what I'm doing. I can't find Bumblebire (closest was BumblingDM), and I have no idea why my profile isn't showing up.
Also Joran: What's your Mythweaver's account?
Brie. Like the cheese. BumbleBrie.
And I have had it confirmed that there is no search function on the Giant forums, and there is not going to be one 'for the indefinite future'
That makes me nervous. People say that Mythweavers might be a place to go as well?
Typo. I meant Brie. Still not there.
And Yes, Mythweavers could be the place. My account there is TheLastScion. You can send me a pm to test the system, and have a look around.
Oh hey. I apparently have an account on Mythweavers.
ThePheonix is me.
Hey, Guys...
I just found something FACINATING.
http://www.lamemage.com/microscope/
I really want to try this out. Anyone feel like joining me? It looks very doable online.
I may have geeked out and already bought the rules :D
Also, there *was* a LoC at Mythweavers.
http://www.myth-weavers.com/game.php?g=13387
More people to contact to see if they would like to join us.
I'm actually leaning towards Mythweavers now, at least to try. Their system seems FAR better organized.
I'm like 98% sure I already have an account on Mythweavers, but can't for the life of me remember my password. I can try again, but for now I made a new account under Bumblebrie.
I also like Mythweavers. Far less confusing.
my profile should come up now I believe. I found both of you on GitP, and my name is the same still over on Myth. I like consistency... makes for remembering stuff easier! xD
I'm on mibbit. If you can, drop by and we'll talk about where we're going/what's happening.
In Mibbit.
Hey guys. We're migrating to Mythweavers, here's the url. http://www.myth-weavers.com/showthread.php?t=237332