This is a play-by-post cooperative world-building game in which the players take on the role of gods, with the full powers and influence thereof. The goal of this is to produce a campaign world complete with history, pantheon, geography, races, creatures, and anything you could possibly imagine. One of the best elements is that the world is entirely organic; ancient wars, cultural growth, and divine conflicts are actually the result of warring interests, rather than being pulled whole cloth from a single person’s imagination. This provides diversity that you just can’t find anywhere else.
And of course, we have a LOT of fun along the way.
To facilitate play and later use, we also have a wikia where game information (such as homebrew races, maps, classes, etc) will be posted: http://lordsofcreation.wikia.com
You can find the basic rules here: http://lordsofcreation.wikia.com/wiki/Basic_Rules
And we also ask that you read these basic guidelines: http://lordsofcreation.wikia.com/wiki/Guidelines
Currently the Admins (and their gods) of the game are:
ff6shadow: Veros
Wyld Mutation: Xirinet
Topheh: Nixis
Currently the Players (and their gods) of the game are:
Mechalibur: Shurka
MassiveAttack: Mara
Angelofthenight: Vymrl
Aradeia: The Empress
Nerdzul: Hensen Jijou
Tinwe: Hammu
Xeadin: Torvek
Aldii: Eijra
Chapien: Azor'Chapien
AnubisDread: Chroma
XiahouXhu: Starl
Honissia: Graxith
Riulenna Toshonk: RedDaffodil
Inactive Players
Not having posted in 4 turns will place you on this list. If you have found yourself on this list, you will no longer be included on the turn reset for PP. Simply PM me of your return, and resume play as normal. You will return to the active list as soon as I see you posting again.
Shinobicow: Il'tharas
Moondoggy: Ythrexle
wizdude47: Frellisk
The_Orius: Oravalos
Delfedd: Chactross
MatthewSwift: Neko
Novatack: Nocturne
Mostly Ghostly: Oreb Nahash
Voodooguy: Ka
Half_Dragon_Infernal: Runescar
Aldii: Zophia
GrimPoet: Siccadan
Malltrick: Roan
RUMPLESTIX: Ipsur
Camu: Tsarokga-Noggoth
Lord Mephistopheles: Jormundrasil
Ritreaude: Drahthor
Live-Laugh-Love: Sessilee
IncarnationsEnd: Incarnations End
Dead Gods
These are the gods that have died for one reason or another. They are incapable of returning without the original player agreeing, as well as passing it by an admin.
Thought: Xa'an
Space_Dragon: Thans
Sinasilver: Yoglith
Retired Players
These are players who have been forced to quit for one reason or another. Their gods may or may not return to active play.
Armisael: Cygnus
Ganryu: The Void
If you are interested in playing, please post your interest in this thread here and PM one (or more) of the admins. We'll let you know when you can post in the IC thread. Please use the following format:
Name:
Domain:
Physical Appearance:
Symbol:
To note, every god starts off with 3pp worth of domains. This might be one Greater domain or several Lesser domains. Those listed on the Wikia are only suggested domains; feel free to come up with your own.
The game will begin as soon as we have enough player interest. So let’s get creating!
Waiting List:
Just wondering, how exactly does a god have a personal appearance? Is it the form they are in the most?
When I stated it was over, there were only 4 active players left, including myself. So I let everbody know there would be no more refreshes, and that they should finish everything up with what they had left.
A little question: D'you know about the other LoC threads? (Scroll down to Miscellaneous PbP) They use a different system, which might interest you.
It was also hard to get the old wikia up to date as well; hopefully starting at the beginning will work better.
Besides, the end goal is to create a usable setting. A world ruined by an apocalypse isn't quite as useful as one that you can destroy yourself.
But now.. I go to work. Curse money's necessity!
what are the avaiable domains? I did not see a list anywhere in the wiki
nevermind I found the examples.
Name:-
Domain: Decay, Fungus
Physical Appearance: A shapeless rotting mass covered with all kinds of molds and fungi
Symbol:-
Still thinking of a name
I suppose fungus counts as a lesser domain
I've added a "waiting list" to the original post. Since the In Character thread hasn't been posted yet, everyones "waiting" but that will be changing soon. If you aren't on the list, I just haven't seen that you submitted a request to join; so post here and send us all a PM.
I suppose it might be useful if the Admins posted our gods as well.
Name: Xa'an
Greater Domain: Light
Alignment: Unaligned (to note, all gods start out this way)
Appearance: Vaguely lens/helix shaped, Xa'an takes the form of a swirling cloud of colors (most commonly orange-to-blue or teal-to-red), spiraling to the center where a single blindingly luminous point of light resides. This point is often hidden or obscurred by the swirling colors.
Symbol: Two comet-like balls of color forming a lens set at an angle. A third comet-like ball of color passes over one tail and under the other. These are most often primary colors (red, blue, and green) though primary pigments (magenta, cyan, and yellow) are used on occasion.
Name: Yoglith
Greater Domains: Time
Moderate Domains: N/A
Lesser Domains: N/A
Alignment: Unaligned
Physical Appearance: A hairless tauric-beast with six legs, four arms, a thick muscular tail, and leathery wings.
Symbol: Pitted Iron Borromean rings on a red field.
I want to play...
what are the avaiable domains? I did not see a list anywhere in the wiki
nevermind I found the examples.
I just want to make sure people know. The examples.. Are just examples. There are rules on the Wiki for what goes where, and one can make up domains of their own easily enough.
Once the game actually starts, however, we will try to keep the rules static. The only forseen exception to this would be if something game-breaking comes up.
Also, added you, Delfedd, to the waiting list.
Shadow said he'll drop the IC thread later today after he gets back from work.
EDIT: Which, I suppose, will probably be around late afternoon/early evening in the U.S.
Greater Domain Fire
Appearance Chactross is little more than fire given a mind, although deep within the flame lies a shadow.
Symbol None, Chactross is beyond these petty concerns.
I'm considering changing mine though, before we begin
Name: Neko
Greater Domains: Water
Physical appearance: none. Just a voice. At the moment I am a part of all water.
Alignment: Unaligned
Symbol: A lone bubble.
To help get things going, the first 3 gods will be given 9pp to start with. Everyone else will get 6pp. To note, all new gods get 6pp for their first turn regardless of when they enter. But at the first reset after a god joins, it drops down to 4pp and we all have to work up from there.
Edit: Damn I noticed I should have waited for Shadow's post. Crap. I cannot delete my post either.
Domain:Nature
Physical Appearance: Varies constantly between the phases of life. Thus, Oravolos appears as one of three forms. A young boy with striking green eyes and brown hair, with homespun trousers and tunic. A man in the prime of his life resplendent in the trappings of a warrior and hunter, wielding a huge cleft spear. His final form is that of an old man, with a long flowing grey beard and brown tattered robes and he leans heavily on a gnarled old wooden staff.
Symbol: A tree divided down the middle. One side is green and lush, the other dead and withered.
By the way, everybody who has been told they are approved, make sure you get your gods stats here in the thread, so we can begin approving new posters.
My god
Name: Veros
Greater Domain: Knowledge
Appearance: Little more than a floating grey blob of an unidentified substance.
Symbol: None at the moment
As of my post, Thought, Ganryu, Delfedd, Camu and Sinasilver are free to post. Thought and SInasilver have 9, the rest have 6.
Reasoning:
Thought - I created a light to see by, even if it did go out
Ganryu - The Void existed first, but did not gain sentience until it has existance as a foil.
Delfedd - The light I created was a flame
Camu - Everything begins to decay as soon as it exists. The chunk of land will begin to decay, and the flame I created decayed into nothing once more
Sinasilver - As soon as something has a mind to notice the passing of Time, time becomes a viable concept.
A double tap on Camu, since there are now plants (sort of) to decay.
And Orius, you have an in to appear if you want (there are "plants" which count as nature).
Of course, if anyone wants to be created specifically, rather than just appearing (its a little more dramatic that way) let us know.
EDIT: I have been informed that there is no air.
Edit: Here, have a link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aether_(classical_element)
http://lordsofcreation.wikia.com/wiki/Guidelines
I am down with that!
incoming nature!
Also, there is an ocean around this island.
since evolution is mostly balance of nature?
Edit: That is a good question. Evolution seems to me to be more of a Moderate domain, but it nees to be run by Thought or Sinasilver first. For now, leave it at 3 PP. Also, as a mention now, evolution exists, but without PP expediture, it doesn't have any in game effect.
Examples
I used Shape Land, when it's Mold Land
Form Domain, rather than Create
Last note, for creating plants and such, the proper action is a Nourish Land. Spreading the plants would also be a Nourish Land.
Next up on my list, and I realize now that I broke it first, we need to be careful about how we label our actions, as it does matter in other parts of the rules.
Examples
I used Shape Land, when it's Mold Land
Form Domain, rather than Create
Last note, for creating plants and such, the proper action is a Nourish Land. Spreading the plants would also be a Nourish Land.
Aww i see that as well. I did create when it needed to be form domain.
as to the plants I did do a nourish land to create them, are you saying i need to use another PP to spread them about?
If so I can do that, I have 1PP left.
No. Camu used Create to create the mold. And Ganryu used Nourish Populace to spread it and encourage it's growth.
I didn't do anything wrong, did I? I mean from a rules perspective.
Name: Cygnus
Domain: Manipulation (Minor Domain, probably)
Physical Appearance: An inversion of the colors of whatever is behind him (that is, Cygnus has no shape. If there's a blue sky behind him, a spot that looks like the negative of a photography of that same sky will be in his place).
Symbol: A hollow symbol. The black exterior depicts a multitude of people. In the interior compartment a black stone from which the black pigment comes rests.
For obvious reasons, I can't enter the game until races are created, though I'd like to enter the roster as soon as possible.
Edit
Ganryu, nothing I can think of, no.
A) Cleverness/Ingenuity.
B) Secrets.
C) Lies.
D) Shadow (going to play with the negativity thing a bit)
Be? I sort of intend for Cygnus to start small and then grow instead of starting as good as everyone else, but there's the problem of others snatching up key domains and leaving me with a half-concept to work with to consider.
Well, lesser and moderate domains can be bought by as many people as would like too. Only greater domains are entirely exclusive.
Mostly Ghostly
Your PP expenditure seems fine. Dreams exists based on the 4 PP Thought spent to force your god into existance. ANd there is no need to send them out.
However, I would like to know exactly what those gates do.
Lazarus
Ooze
?
Joking, my real submission is
Name: Vymrl
Domain: Ice
Physical Appearance: Six spindles of ice rapidly spinning in opposite directions. The spindles are formed in tripod shapes pushing against one another. In the center of them is longer spindle formed of a shaft covered in frost crystals.
Symbol: Six black lines pared together in threes with a seventh line passing through the intersection.
Evolution: Definately seems like a Moderate Domain; conceptually, it seems like it requires something else in order to function. Life evolves to best suit the environment; that means one needs both life and an environment before evolution can exist.
Matt, I'd definately say your good to go with Water (same god-name and description as before?) I'll let Shadow or Sina weigh in before making it official, though.
To note, to my understanding, creating animals (particularly low level, non-challenging animals like rabits and ardvarks) is a nourish action.
Finally, Armisael, nah, Manipulation is definately not a minor domain. Elf would be a minor domain, granting you the power to manipulate elves (to an extent). Manipulation would allow to do that with all things, presumably, so much grander than lesser. Looking back at my notes, I think that is fairly close to the moderate domain.
There we have it. Evolution and Manipulation are 2 PP domains.
Secrets is a Greater Domain (its already on the list)
Shadow is a Moderate domain (its a derivative of Greater domains)
Lies is moderate or lesser (not sure which... I'm going with moderate, but I'll let Shadow and Sina weigh in).
Cleverness/Ingenuity is probably a moderate as well. It doesn't seem encompassing enough to be a Greater, but specific instances of it could be minor. But even at that, it seems a little close to your old god so I'd encourage you to lean towards one of the other suggestions (not a requirement, though).
Angel, looks good to be but I'll let Sina or Shadow give the final approval. And of course, we have a LOT of gods who just entered the game right now. It might be good to wait until tomorrow before admitting more.
Shadow is a moderate.
I'd call cleverness and ingenuity part of Creativity, which would be a moderate domains, so we'll need Sina to weigh in on whether they are moderate or lesser.
I would call lies a lesser, subordinate to Manipulation actually.
Angel will be waiting for the moment. No reason for Ice quite yet, I don't think, but soon. We have some water, actually, created by Delfedd, just no water god. But, since he submerged himself in it, it's likely boiling, or at least really hot for now. Give it some time to cool down.
Nevermind. Matt, you are clear to post as the god of water, Neko.
Thats fine. Its gonna be difficult to have ice without water.
I'm not so cold not to share, but I think it qualifies as a moderate domain.
Ice is a much cooler domain name than "Cold."
Maybe water should be a major while it's split into two moderates: Ice and Aqua (Water's solid and liquid forms)
Just an idea.
On an entirely different note, Thought, Delfedd has his god emerge from the water and float above it. . .
Also, in case anyone wants to know, I'd imagine that there are a hundred or so dreams in the World at the moment, not counting the fungi and bacterial dreams (as they snuff out so quickly they really can't participate in a census).
I thought we had a god of life? hence the ability to create life in the first place? and we have an environment
I might of been mistaken though...
I can edit my post to reflect this if that is the case.
I can edit a page that exists but I can't figure out how to create one. Create it for me and I'll copy and paste the contents of Xa'an's well organized page and fill in my info.
Thank you?
Also, I'm going to bring up something that I don't beleive is stated anywhere in the rules currently. As a general concept, your god should only be active in one place at a time. Basically, don't try to be every in multiple places at once. It's not come up yet, but I figured I'd get it out of the way now.
Well, lesser and moderate domains can be bought by as many people as would like too. Only greater domains are entirely exclusive.
Phew! That's a relief. The last thing I wanted was to enter a domain arms race with other people. Also, thanks for explaining the other domains to me.
Thought: About cleverness, maybe I didn't give it the right name. Being the god of intelligence isn't my concept. I see Cygnus as being more like the god of the "Look! A three headed monkey!" maneuvers, though obviously more serious than that. Perhaps you could say that I'm aiming for a slyness domain, or a trickery domain (in the loooooooong run, 'cause its probably a greater domain), not cleverness. He's certainly not the god of Nobel prizes, but he probably could be the god of Artful Dodgers.
In any case, assuming Lies is a minor or moderate, I'll go with Manipulation and take Lies once I enter the game (I'm not taking that last point to keep with the vibe of "small fry". Someone else can use it, maybe, but I prefer to start smaller). Now, the question is, does anybody need a henchman? I don't see myself as emerging alone, but beholden to another deity, at least at first.
I'm glad your standard is just as high Armisael. Although i'm quite glad that you're not constantly linking us to stuff this time around.
Also, I'm going to bring up something that I don't beleive is stated anywhere in the rules currently. As a general concept, your god should only be active in one place at a time. Basically, don't try to be every in multiple places at once. It's not come up yet, but I figured I'd get it out of the way now.
Good point; looking over the rules, this is implied in very many places, but I couldn't find an exact statement along the lines of "Your God Cannot Exist In More Than One Place At Once."
Along those lines, for those of you familiar with the last game, essentially every god is an avatar (that is, they can interact physically with mortals if thye wish). Any influences still require PP, of course. But this does mean that you can stat us an Avatar if you so wish.
I'd like to note: posting before you're entered in the game is posting before you're entered in the game. Such post are not likely to be included into the cannon.
I agree; though the first (and only? I'm not caught up either) case (Ganryu's) was so short that remove it would have disrupted the flow of the game more than leaving it. It isn't cannon, but there really isn't anything there to be cannon either. But this concept is definately good to state.
We're being a little lenient right now since everyone is getting used to everything (us included), but we'll be tightening things up in the future as everyone gets accustomed to things.
To quote The Doctor: Lords of Creation "is like visiting Paris. You can't just read the guidebook, you've got to throw yourself in. Eat the food, use the wrong verbs, get charged double and end up kissing complete strangers"
I realize there are a lot of people(9), and there's a lot of PP out there(63), and everyone wants their cool toys. Believe me, toes get stepped on all the time. But, It would be MUCH better if things were more organic instead of the contrived jumble of people racing for the stuff they came up with before they knew what everyone else was planning.
And I know the first thing one of our Admins did was.. Grab a new domain.. It's not such a bad thing as long as not everyone is doing it.
I agree; though the first (and only? I'm not caught up either) case (Ganryu's) was so short that remove it would have disrupted the flow of the game more than leaving it. It isn't cannon, but there really isn't anything there to be cannon either. But this concept is definately good to state.
We're being a little lenient right now since everyone is getting used to everything (us included), but we'll be tightening things up in the future as everyone gets accustomed to things.
To quote The Doctor: Lords of Creation "is like visiting Paris. You can't just read the guidebook, you've got to throw yourself in. Eat the food, use the wrong verbs, get charged double and end up kissing complete strangers"
Aye. I'm just throwing things out there. I actually have to sleep soon, but I'm making the notes I deem important before doing so. And retrieving food.. Which is likely a larger motivator in my still being awake. ;)
Edit: Has any one kept track of what domains are taken/which gods are active thus far? I know the Wiki's not got it yet, but still. It could help.
If not.. I guess I'll get to it.
Alright, I think I have Player Pages for everyone who has currently joined up. Most of this is empty; please fill in details as they become relevant (noting if you created mold, noting artifacts and planes, etc).
I've also updated the PP Expenditure page with every pp thus far (I think). This is mostly a resource for we admins, but if you ever want to know if something has already been created, that is a good place to look.
And finally, on the Domains page (http://lordsofcreation.wikia.com/wiki/Domains) every claimed domain has been wiki-linked. Feel free to add domain pages (I'll be trying to add at least templates to make it easier). These are basically a means for telling others how you perceive your domain. This is particularly important if the domain behaves in a manner one might not normally expect (to use Ghostly as an example; Dreams are more than just the random ramblings your mind produces at night. That is a good thing to note on a domain page).
To make changes to the wiki, I highly recommend making an account if you don't already have one (it lets us know who is making changes and if we're being vandalized). Other than that, just hit the edit option at the top of a page. To note, it will come up in a pretty view. Personally, I perfer looking at the source code (and if you are experienced with wikis you might too). If you want to access that, hit the "Wikitext Source" option on the top left corner of the edit box.
EDIT: Also, if anyone is curious, the aether and the plant-things there in were inspired by Arthur Conan Doyle's "The Horror of the Heights"
Delfedd: Good catch. Didn't notice it.
Also, as for the links...
*Looks above*
The nightmare is just beginning! BWAHAHAHA!
Nah, seriously, I'll use less links this time. I went back and checked my posts, and many were actually the equivalent of reading fifteen pages when you took links into account. While verbosity is fine with me, I have limits and those apply to myself too.
Adding the bit about errosion is great, but to actually start shrinking the continent (if that is your intent) you'll need to spend a pp to mold land (no pun intended ;) ). And 3pp total to get rid of it entirely, if that is your ultimate goal
Other than the Pun of Doom with a +10 enhancement bonus, the story looks interesting, so far. It's nice to see rivalry erupting even before we have a real world. Looks like my Manipulation guy will have a lot of work, what with having everyone hating everyone. ;)
I just ment that wherever the mold is growing, If the land was a smooth surface, it now starts to erode slightly
I'll change them to nourishes then as well
For example, if you wanted to turn a human into an elf, you'd have to spend the full PP (2) to create the populous (using the "Shape" keyword). You're welcome to use fluff to explain the creation as a modification of what was before, but its just fluff with no mechanical bonus or affect.
Greater Domains
Air, Balance, Chaos, Change, Competition, Creation, Darkness, Death, Desire, Destruction, Discipline, Earth, Evil, Fate, Fire, Good, Harmony, Ice, Knowledge, Law, Life, Light, Magic, Nature, Order, Peace, Secrets, Spirit, Time, Unity, Void, War, Water
Hope that answers the question. No Matter domain, but I can think of many different combos of lesser and moderate domains to fill that spot.
I'd like to state that I (Shurka) wouldn't mind being ascended. But if I find a good place to jump in, I won't wait.
You'll have to wait until cleared to post still. At least I'm not aware of the other admins clearing more people yet. I know I've not yet, but they might have.
Edit: I'll discuss with the other Admins when to let people in next. I think we're going to do it slower, so as not to wind up with the jumble.. But I doubt it'll take that long either. My personal feeling is 1-2 a reset(that's 2-4 a week). The first reset is close though.
Domain: Darkness (greater)
Physical Appearance: A tall, thin figure wrapped in cloak of shadow. Two stars glow brilliantly where his eyes would be, and the rest of his face is obscured by shadow.
Symbol: A sphere casting off beams of shadow (instead of beams of light).
2pp Create Plane (Lesser): The well of time. It'll get detailed in the wiki when I have more time.
1pp Spawn Beast (Lesser): Creating Pyre Beeltes.
3pp Create Artifact (Greater): A Divine Egg. I'll detail it at a later date as well.
3pp Create Artifact (Greater): Temporal Harmonizer. Also detailed later.
Is it just me or is that nine points?
Name: Nocturne
Domain: Night (I'm guessing that's greater?)
Physical Appearance: A tall, thin figure wrapped in cloak of shadow. Two stars glow brilliantly where his eyes would be, and the rest of his face is obscured by shadow.
Symbol: Seven white stars surrounding one large blue star.
Actually, nope; night is a lesser domain.
It goes Light>Sun>Day, and we tried to keep opposites on the same tier, so since day is lesser, night is lesser too. Which means you can choose 2pp worth more of domains.
Though to note, unless some ascend actions take place, it might be more than a week before there's a spot open. As Sina said, we'll be aiming for 1-2 new gods (sans ascend actions) per reset. Probably closer to 1 for now, just since we have so many new players right now (aka, everyone).
You'll have to wait until cleared to post still. At least I'm not aware of the other admins clearing more people yet. I know I've not yet, but they might have.
Edit: I'll discuss with the other Admins when to let people in next. I think we're going to do it slower, so as not to wind up with the jumble.. But I doubt it'll take that long either. My personal feeling is 1-2 a reset(that's 2-4 a week). The first reset is close though.
Okay, I'll wait to be cleared then.
A sizable chunk of land floats in the aether and air with a ring of water orbiting it just above the ground. On one part of it is a pillar of fire and stone, which is producing time like a sort of factory. floating in space are two gates: one into dreamland and one out. In dream land are the hopes and dreams of gods, coralites and molds.
miss anything?
Don't worry Mech, I am fairly sure (but not 100% positive) that you'll be approved to enter after today's reset. I need to confirm with the other Admins, but that is how things are looking.
Matt, you missed the island created by Orius. But other than that, I think you have everything.
Also, just a general note, I try to keep the 1st post updated with a waiting list. Unless there are unusual circumstances, individuals will "appear" in game in that order. Ascend actions (which can be done by any god) can circumvent that, however. While I'd want to get the other admins to weigh in, it is quite possible that the entire waiting list could be cleared this next round if enough existing gods used ascend actions. Highly unlikely, but possible. Ascending essentially skips the waiting period in exchange for PP spent and the RPing element of the created-god being vaguely beholden to the creator-god (there are no rules enforcing that, but that is how we encourage it is RPed).
Because 2 PP wouldn't be enough to circle the continent, which has an ocean around it anyway.
First, remembering the last game, maybe we should limit thread size to something like 500 posts? I remember that, by the end, there were something like 4000 posts in the IC, and probably more in the OOC. If we kept it to a lower maximum total and created new threads as we hit those caps, we might draw more new people to the game. This isn't a problem now, but it will happen later on, and long-term planning will save us a lot of headaches.
Additionally, I think that we should create a timeline of events in the wiki and link it on the first post. It'd be similar to Thought's PP expenditure article, but only chronicling what happens between gods, such as pacts, unions, wars, etc., without doing more than giving a brief mention to the game mechanics. What do you think about it?
Actually, nope; night is a lesser domain.
It goes Light>Sun>Day, and we tried to keep opposites on the same tier, so since day is lesser, night is lesser too. Which means you can choose 2pp worth more of domains.
Though to note, unless some ascend actions take place, it might be more than a week before there's a spot open. As Sina said, we'll be aiming for 1-2 new gods (sans ascend actions) per reset. Probably closer to 1 for now, just since we have so many new players right now (aka, everyone).
*Edit- domain is now darkness*.
Still, Night + Weather sounds awesome. Druidic meetings would have a sponsor! :P
What exactly is the benefit of owning a greater domain over a lesser? Since I own Language does that mean whoever owns Knowledge is really the boss of that domain or have I encroached on his power in some way?
While Greater domains tend to be wider in scope, Lesser domains exert greater control over the limited element. A god of Dragons (a Moderate domain) would have more control over dragons than a god of Life (a Greater domain), but a god of Chromatic Dragons (a Lesser domain) would have greater control over Chromatic Dragons than the god of Dragons, and a god of Red Dragons (also a Lesser Domain) would have greater control over those creatures than any other mentioned god.
Remember that memorably hilarious scene in the last thread where Ator tried to bluff Thrael'Kriss into believing he was one of his children through a cockney accent? Well, if Ator had been the god of lies, and Thrael'Kriss the god of Trickery, which includes Lies, he would have swallowed it whole. Lesser isn't really lesser, it's narrow. The narrower the focus, the bigger your power with regards to that.
Edit: Also, Matthew, are we going to see a Ginger Rogers Ocean soon? :p
Last time I lookd, The Void still has 5 unused PP, and Oravolos has 2. If they are not spent before the refresh, they are lost.
PP Refresh
4 - Veros, Neko, Xa'an, Yoglith, Chactross, The Void, Oravolos, Oreb Nahash, and ??? (Camu)
Just a hair late, due to a small glitch on my PC. Remember, all unspent PP is now lost.
Interestingly, we don't have a Weather domain. With that said, I think it'd probably be a Greater domain, what with controlling stuff from lightning to plants and agriculture. It's a really broad domain, after all.
Still, Night + Weather sounds awesome. Druidic meetings would have a sponsor! :P
Well, the way I see it, the Sky or Air would be the Greater Domains, and Weather would be a less than those (a.k.a. a Moderate Domain). Plus, I don't control plants or agriculture (I would influence them, but then so would someone with the Earth domian or the Sun domain.)
I mean, your title could still be "God of Storms" even if you have control over all the weather dominion.
What exactly is the benefit of owning a greater domain over a lesser?
A greater domain gives you less control over more things while a lesser domain gives you more conrol over fewer things.
This is basically a way to help determine outcomes with domains overlap and also to encourage "lesser" domains to be claimed. Lets use a Galara example: Thrael'Kriss held "The Cycle" domain, which included Life, Death, Plants, Animals, your mom, etc. Then came along Malbrig, the embodiment of Plants. Plants is a valid domain, but how does that interact with Life? or "The Cycle"? These issues didn't come up often in Galara, but they did come up.
Then there was when Defluo claimed the "Acid" domain. That was pretty specific and limited; why should he have paid the same PP for a domain not nearly as powerful as "Air and Water" (which was a single domain under Agrilnost, curiously enough)? As such, we decreased the cost of it; buy now and you save money (and by money I totally mean PP).
Stormy weather - The presence of storms
Non-stormy weather - The absense of storms.
Any intervening weather would be odd mixtures of different quantities of different types of storms. It's a simplfied and basic way of looking at it, true.
This world is technically for use in 4th Edition, correct? I'm not familiar at all with 4th Edition rules so I have to ask here: Does it have templates like 3rd edition does?
PS: If you want, since the wisps can't be in combat.. You could quite likely make them for 1pp. Unless you want Paragon monsters that don't fight. That could be nifty, all be it hard to stat.
PPS: Expect a Pyre Beetle swarm mob to appear in the Wiki over the next couple days.
Or, to put it in other words:
Remember that memorably hilarious scene in the last thread where Ator tried to bluff Thrael'Kriss into believing he was one of his children through a cockney accent? Well, if Ator had been the god of lies, and Thrael'Kriss the god of Trickery, which includes Lies, he would have swallowed it whole. Lesser isn't really lesser, it's narrow. The narrower the focus, the bigger your power with regards to that.
Edit: Also, Matthew, are we going to see a Ginger Rogers Ocean soon? :p
Except that T'k was god of Shapeshifters anyway... Which was what was being used to "trick" him. The "trick a shapeshifter god by shapeshifting" was one point of contention I had with the whole thing. Especially with the approach Ator took to it.
Anyway I came up with a concept. I figured nobody's signed up for life so...
Name: Xirinet
Domain: Life
Physical Appearance: A roiling cloud of mists, when speaking Xirinet's form mimics who (insert pronoun here) is speaking to.
Symbol: To be determined
Let's please leave the old LoC to the old LoC OOC topic.
Or, to put it in other words:
Edit: Also, Matthew, are we going to see a Ginger Rogers Ocean soon? :p
No, I've reserved that as the Bobbing Hope Sea. Ms. Rogers would be better suited as farmland IMO. The farmland next to the Astaire River. That's a partnership.
Anyone feel like raising any dieties?
NAME: Ythrexle
DOMAIN: Aberrations
PHYSICAL APPEARANCE: Ythrexle appears as a solid translucent cube etched with strange runes, inside of which is a roiling many-colored mist.
SYMBOL: A black circle inside a colorful cube.
Name: Frellisk
Domains: Art & Woods
Appearence: Imagine a giant eladrin- looking being that has a lot of strange tatooes. He has purple eyes with no pupils with dark brown hair.
Symbol: His face, expressed as artistically as possible.
Sadly, I'm stuck until smart things show up.
I have a PP, if someone would be willing to lend more we could do a mutual raising?
I can aid, depending on what you plan to raise.
I have a PP, if someone would be willing to lend more we could do a mutual raising?
Wise words.
You should listen to him. And now that we now have water and (some) air, weather would be a logical choice. You know, I'm just saying. :D
I guess I'm circling Orius' island.
You are not circling my island. You made it before I made my island, and my intetions were to make my own island floating in the aether. (if you made another river since then then I retract this statement.
but yes, I am floating about a mile above the current continent.
However, both continent and island now having plant life and trees that feed off the aether vs the sun on them.
The Aberrations domain is moderate, so Moondoggy still has 1 PP left for taking a Lesser domain. Art is not defined, but I think it's a moderate or greater domain (incidentally, I think we should kick Music down to 1 PP and make it a Lesser domain). There's a list of Domains here if you need it.
I'm not an admin or anything, but I'd like to point something out. Major domains are, in general, much more useful. I would rather have magic than arcane magic, and so on. This will, if kept unchecked, cause the early gods to have broad domains spanning much of existence, with later gods left to scavenge for the pieces.
Therefore, I propopse this. No deity should ever have more that 1 greater domain until his other domain slots are filled out. And no deity should ever have more than 2 greater domain slots until the other domain slots are filled out twice. And so on.
Now I know this will be an unpopular statement by the admins, but I urge you all to think of the future of LoC. This setting has potential. Lets not all mess it up in the begining.
I would really like to use these for a moderate domain: renewal.
If I really cant have them then I guess its fine, but I am hoping to make a case since I am new to this to use them.
anyways in regard to the next week
THOUGHT: The air you created around the continent, how far up does it extend? My island is floating a mile up in the aether. I need to know if it is incapsulated by the air before I post.
if i stay straight aberration, does the 1pp carry over?
I'm not an admin, but I'm pretty sure it does not.
Alright... I was thinking.
I'm not an admin or anything, but I'd like to point something out. Major domains are, in general, much more useful. I would rather have magic than arcane magic, and so on. This will, if kept unchecked, cause the early gods to have broad domains spanning much of existence, with later gods left to scavenge for the pieces.
Therefore, I propopse this. No deity should ever have more that 1 greater domain until his other domain slots are filled out. And no deity should ever have more than 2 greater domain slots until the other domain slots are filled out twice. And so on.
Now I know this will be an unpopular statement by the admins, but I urge you all to think of the future of LoC. This setting has potential. Lets not all mess it up in the begining.
I see your point, but I would ask, how many people do you really want in the game? The issue is complicated further by the fact some people will drop and leave...
Aberration and Pleasure.
That should make an interesting combination.
I just think there should be something to prevent those sorts of things from happening. Also, what mortal would worship a deity with no mortal concerns? (Minor and moderate domains.) If your deity has primarily Major domains, you're pretty much an "agnostic" god, a being with concerns higher than mortality. And who'll worship you?
Anyway, I think that it'd be a good safety net.
you're pretty much an "agnostic" god, a being with concerns higher than mortality. And who'll worship you?
...You realize that that example makes investing in greater domains a good idea? :P
But yeah, it sounds like a nice idea, putting a limit to greater domains of some sort. Maybe not the one you proposed, but SOME version of it would be good.
I like the rest of your rules in conjuction with two greaters.
like slaneesh from warhammer 40k?
I'm not familiar with WH40K, so I wouldn't know. But if it seems a little derivative, I could change it.
like slaneesh from warhammer 40k?
When he said that, I thought of something more like:
Mind Flayer: All right. We can do this the easy way, or the hard way.
Adventurer: What's the hard way?
Mind Flayer: I crack open your skull, yank your brain out with my tentacles, and devour it.
Adventurer: ...And, er, what's the easy way?
Mind Flayer: I give you a pleasant massage and then let you be on your way.
Adventurer: ....Um....easy way please?
PS: That, of course, is a reference to Noise Marines and Daemonettes. The rest just came from my twisted mind.
Alright... I was thinking.
I'm not an admin or anything, but I'd like to point something out. Major domains are, in general, much more useful. I would rather have magic than arcane magic, and so on. This will, if kept unchecked, cause the early gods to have broad domains spanning much of existence, with later gods left to scavenge for the pieces.
Therefore, I propopse this. No deity should ever have more that 1 greater domain until his other domain slots are filled out. And no deity should ever have more than 2 greater domain slots until the other domain slots are filled out twice. And so on.
Now I know this will be an unpopular statement by the admins, but I urge you all to think of the future of LoC. This setting has potential. Lets not all mess it up in the begining.
Moderate and Lesser domains were specifically created because of this very problem in the last LOC. Moderate and lesser rip pieces out of a greater domain fairly effectively. However, I can see where you're coming from.
The problem is everyone looks at them the same way you do, so tries to gobble them up. Why? I don't know.
"The cycle" and "Conflict" in the last LOC were the reasoning behind moderate and lesser domains. It's not a new problem, and we made effort to address it, but some of you think we have no yet succeeded.
So I'm going to propose all of you send me a PM, along with your thoughts on if it's problematic or not and why. We know Delf's stance. So that just leaves the rest of you. I'll compile, show the other admins, and we'll see what the majority want.
WAIT! WAIT! WAIT! when and where was it posted we would have the reset? We started end of last week so I figured I had time. I had 1PP left and with the incorrect cost of the island I made I would had 2PP.
I would really like to use these for a moderate domain: renewal.
If I really cant have them then I guess its fine, but I am hoping to make a case since I am new to this to use them.
anyways in regard to the next week
THOUGHT: The air you created around the continent, how far up does it extend? My island is floating a mile up in the aether. I need to know if it is incapsulated by the air before I post.
It was detailed in the "reset" topic of the wiki, in the rules before the game started. It was a short one, admittedly, but it was right there.
Linkie
The PP does not carry over, which is also explained in the Wiki. Sorry, I know you're new, but making exceptions just leads to other exceptions, which leads to people demanding exceptions, and then everything breaks down.
if i stay straight aberration, does the 1pp carry over?
No. If you don't want to produce a 1pp domain you're just a god of lesser grasp, it's your loss, and there's no benefit for it. I encourage the extra domain.
Alright, so 2 greater domains, provided that you have a minor and a moderate domain. Now, if we can just get admin approval...
Well, so far three individuals have sided with you, so you have a good chance more will thus far, but you're doing so in the hardest to track method(from the admin perspective. Lots of posts go in here unnoticed) so far, and there are 15 or so individuals this concerns. Presuming you become a vocal majority, you'll get stuff done.
And as a final note: Domains are fluff, and you are NOT restricted to those on our list, even if it was accidentally implied. The list, unless it's changed recently rather explicitly states it's only examples, and I fully intend to make sure it stays that way. There are rules at the top of it for what constitutes what level, and if you want to make a new domain, justify it's position in the above, pay accordingly, and make it.
Did I miss any questions?
What the heck. Moondoggy - I'll create you as soon as there's a good point at which to do so.
THOUGHT: The air you created around the continent, how far up does it extend? My island is floating a mile up in the aether. I need to know if it is incapsulated by the air before I post.
Probably not. The air just surrounds the continent, ocean; your island was left out, so it wouldn't have air proper. But of course feel free to nourish it to be included.
I'm not an admin or anything, but I'd like to point something out. Major domains are, in general, much more useful. I would rather have magic than arcane magic, and so on. This will, if kept unchecked, cause the early gods to have broad domains spanning much of existence, with later gods left to scavenge for the pieces.
First, I'd argue that use is in the eye of the player. Last game I was the god of all moderate or lower domains (though they weren't labeled as such). I had great fun with the "Travel" domain.
Second, we Admins will talk.
Delfedd: I snagged the aberration domain early for just that reason.
Actually, that isn't a worry. Only greater domains are restricted to one god claiming them. Moderate and Lesser domains can be claimed by multiple gods; we can very much have two gods of Aberrations (which works out nicely for a Great Old Ones feel).
Finally, I'd be down for ascending a god as well (assuming my god would have a reason to do so).
You are not circling my island. You made it before I made my island, and my intetions were to make my own island floating in the aether. (if you made another river since then then I retract this statement.
but yes, I am floating about a mile above the current continent.
However, both continent and island now having plant life and trees that feed off the aether vs the sun on them.
Nope. He made the river after you made your island.
Too All The New God Entries
As mentioned, you have 3 PP to select starting domains. If you do not use all three, you do not gain any benefit from it. Also, as Sinasilver mentioned, our list is examples, not hard coded.
WAIT! WAIT! WAIT! when and where was it posted we would have the reset? We started end of last week so I figured I had time. I had 1PP left and with the incorrect cost of the island I made I would had 2PP.
I would really like to use these for a moderate domain: renewal.
If I really cant have them then I guess its fine, but I am hoping to make a case since I am new to this to use them.
anyways in regard to the next week
THOUGHT: The air you created around the continent, how far up does it extend? My island is floating a mile up in the aether. I need to know if it is incapsulated by the air before I post.
Thought's air is not far above the continent. Though, since Aether creatures cannot live in air, nothing lives on the continent yet.
Additionally, the reset was warned about here and here. Additionally, the refresh times are stated in the Reset portion of the rules, both time and day. The PP is lost. You are not alone. As I recall, Ganryu lost 5 PP.
Alright, I thought it over.
Aberration and Pleasure.
That should make an interesting combination.
That is amusing.
*fierce battle, and the mindflayer grasps the fighter and starts sucking his brain out.*
Fighter I know this is bad, but it feels soo good.
Final note, I'd be up for ascending a god, depending on who we were ascending.
Thought's air is not far above the continent. Though, since Aether creatures cannot live in air, nothing lives on the continent yet.
Except my Dreams, that is (though to what degree they're "alive" is a little up in the air).
You get to shape the landscape of your plane however you wish, but critters are never free.
If that didn''t make sense just let me know...
My god's a three year old atm... sorry, he's going to develop just like Khadesh and her ilk did. Only hopefully he'll die a Primordial.
I see the rules now on the PP renewal, and I retract my former statement. The points are gone...sniff.
On to the game!
thank you for the clarification on the air.I kind of liked the airless world we had going, the aether was a cool diffrent source of "air" but i can work wtih it.
DELFEDD: Sekking a clarification on your 10 greater fire elementals, I saw you edited the post and I was curious if they just stayed circling you or had another purpose? They live off the flame? or what do they consume since they are hungry as you say. In that same regard are they beasts or intelligent?
Oh as an aside on domains: I was reading the forgotten realms avatar series recently, and the follow up book prince of lies, and in there they made a distinction about the domains that was rather interesting. A god holds dominion over a greater domain means they are responsible for making sure it works and they can give or deny access to domains depending on there nature. The entire point of the pantheon is that they have rules and sanctions like NATO to control gods. If a god steps outside his nature or does something not agreed upon by the panteon of gods or a singular god they can deny them and/pr there followers use of there domain.
For example: the god of magic stopped the god of lies and murder from using magic because he used it in a way she did not agree with; however his followers could still use it.
Later she tried to stop one of his schemes which was not something she was allowed, since it didnt involve directly to magic and the other gods told her if she did it again she would loose her followers since the sun would not shine on them, and their fields would fail and they would not be able to ascend to her plane upon death, and they would soon turn from her and a god without followers would cease to exist. That last rule was one instituted by the overlord of the gods AO after the time of troubles. sort of a balance of there power based on there followers, to make them care.
Anyways I am wondering if our domains work on those same principals? I know we dont have a pantheon formed (yet) so its chaos and every god for themselves, but just food for though I suppose.
I would like to take up the monumenteous task of compiling what is happening week by week.
I will post short abridged versions on the wiki of each week so anyone, including us can quickly read how the world has progressed as well as its current state.
That is, if no one else has already taken this task up.
I already see people forgetting some o fthe things people have created and not understanding what the world state is. Here is my snopsis thus far of the world:
LAND MASSES
UNNAMED CONTINENT It is now submerged (is it a flat plane? with small "islands" sticking up out of the water. It also has an atmosphere now that is rather small clinging to the land by only a few hundred feet. Everything else beyond that continent and its atmosphere is aether, ie magic in tangible form.
- PLANT LIFE:
Aether trees created by drifting spores. Currently aquire aether from the Aether Stirges that nest in there branches (do the spores still drift through the air?) or the trees left the last of there kind on the main continent? - ANIMAL LIFE:
- Aether Stirges (heroic) life off the spores and small animal life of the aether. nest in the aether trees.
- Fire elementals/monoliths: only 10 of them (epic), they kill everything feeding off it, and seem to feed off the aether and air as well. - SIGNIFICANT FEATURES:
- WELL OF ETERNITY: A large hole surrounded by earth that leads to a small demi plane where time resides.
- PILLAR OF BLACK FIRE: Chartross' testiment to his existence.
UNMAED ISLAND Size of hawaii and floats about a mile up. No water, no air, just floats in the aether.
- PLANT LIFE:
Aether trees created by drifting spores, that root to one spot and continue to build until one large shifting tree forms, with branches floating in the aether drawing it in to sustain it. - ANMIAL LIFE:
Anything in the aether
AETHER SEA Surrounding it all is the aether, a shifting miasma of tangible magic.
- PLANT LIFE:
NONE - ANIMAL LIFE:
- Aether Spores: absorb the aether
- Mold Spores: eat the aether spores
- Plague Mold Spores: convert the mold spores
- Pyre Bugs: eat aether and mold spores?
- Wisps: heal the plague spores turning them back into mold spores (will heal other things but that it to heal now)
- Aether Stirges (heroic) life off the spores and small animal life of the aether. nest in the aether trees.
- Fire elementals/monoliths: only 10 of them (epic), they kill everything feeding off it, and seem to feed off the aether and air as well.
SIGNIFICANT FEATURES:
- GATES TO THE DREAM PLANE
PLANES OF EXISTENCE
Dreamscape
Well of time
its 1am i need to go to bed, ill finish filling it out. if you have any direct comment PM me, no need to add to the OOC spam. I want to put this on the wiki and update it weekly. I posted it here to give an idea of what i envison.
Domain: Death
Physical Appearance: A billowing cloud of black smoke.
Symbol: None as of yet.
Glad to see three others running the new LoC. I am ready to enjoy this one as a player. It's 5 AM right now so I doubt anyone is on right now. While I wait I will be reading the IC thread to see how things are coming along.
So we change the rules, and things go just fine.
I had asked Angelofthenight, but he's not gotten back to me and I've been keeping my 4pp earmarked for it.. And it's just low on time at this point.
If I don't have a response within about 6 hours, I'm just going to find something else to use the PP on so no one gets stiffed out of their starting PP.
Except my Dreams, that is (though to what degree they're "alive" is a little up in the air).
Dreams exist in the world like light, fire, earth, water, air, etc. That is, they are around, but they are innanimate elements. To offer a comparison; say Matt made a plane of Water. That wouldn't allow him to say that water is now sentient (or even alive).
You can control the dream "element," as Matt can controll water or I light. But that is just puppet-like control, and to have any effect PP has to be spent (like Matt did with the rivers or I did with eliminating the light from the fire pillar).
This is why you didn't have to spend PP to guide dreams to go out into the world; they have no will of their own to influence or resist.
thank you for the clarification on the air.I kind of liked the airless world we had going, the aether was a cool diffrent source of "air" but i can work wtih it.
Well I was going with the old Greek system of elements; Fire, Wind, Water, Air, and Aether (the 5th element, sans the odd movie).
There is still the possibility of having airless worlds, but there is actually a need to have air as well. Aether and Air need to be differentiated in various manners, else we would just been calling a rabbit a smeerp (if you're not familiar with that term, see: http://www.sfwa.org/writing/turkeycity.html)
just food for thought I suppose.
No thanks, I'm not hungry. :P
I would like to take up the monumenteous task of compiling what is happening week by week.
To note, there are two things like that one the wiki, but your help is most appreciated and welcome (keeping things updated in a crushing task).
All PP expenditures are noted here: http://lordsofcreation.wikia.com/wiki/PP_Expenditure
And a brief history will be posted here: http://lordsofcreation.wikia.com/wiki/Game_History
(I haven't had a chance to add anything to the latter yet).
As I said, though, keeping everything up to date is a lot of work and I would whole hearted welcome you help (or even if you want to take the lead on such things).
I was imagining more along the lines of a few tens of feet of air (but as I didn't state it, however people want to interpret it is perfectly valid). Also, aether isn't magic in tangible form... yet. I like that idea and might have to work with Shadow to bring that about.
AETHER SEA Surrounding it all is the aether, a shifting miasma of tangible magic.
To note, there is plant life in the aether... well, as close to plant life as one can really get without being trees, grasses, and shrubs. There is aether flora; vague, near gaseous but barely solid things with sprawling leaf-like limbs. A jungle of the upper airs, as it were.
Also, there is aether fauna. These aren't really even of the heroic tier; just your average woodland critters (minus the woodland). Things like barely solid jellyfish (the nice jellies, not the Man-o-Wars or the sort), winged snake thingies, etc. I'll try to actually nail down a few creatures and descriptions (and names might be nice).
Well there is the unnamed island too. And I was imagining more along the lines of a few tens of feet of air (but as I didn't state it, however people want to interpret it is perfectly valid). Also, aether isn't magic in tangible form... yet. I like that idea and might have to work with Shadow to bring that about.
I outlined my island in that post as well. I know its big and alot of info but it was in there.
I think your missing some expenditure.
The guy who is the healing god made wisps and i believe something else.
chartross also made the fire elementals, but that was recent so it might not be added yet.
That sounds like a lot.. But.. People didn't exactly jump at piling critters in. ;P
I also am super psyched that we didnt make a world like we know one.
If we wanted to recreate earth we could pull out the bible and get it done in seven days.
I am more into lets make soemthing cool and unique.
Alright, this is the cue for the weather god, sun god or some other such person. I aim to let water take either into the air, or become 70% of most critters. This means either more land, or a god who's got either weather or life domain to transfuse water into a necessary ingredient for life. This is an opportunity to bring a god in.
Hey, MatthewSwift posted calling for a weather diety. Does this mean I should join the game? Or should I stay on the waiting list?
In case anyone's interested, my motivation for doing this was that I felt I was a bit too removed from the rest of the world. I was finding it difficult to come up with any solid reasons why I wouldn't just sit in my Dream Realm and not care very much about what was going on in reality, so I made my plane a part of it.
Or something.
It is a cool idea, but one that just can't work like that unfortunately. However, you can bring in such a meld more slowly; create some land and an artifact that has the effect of "merging" the two planes in a localized area, for example.
Maybe eventually Aether and dreams can be tied up, allowing dreams to be physical.
Or something.
Mmm. I like that. I don't have any PP left, though, so someone else would have to do it. ;)
Do all the gods realize the planes have merged? Or is it only from The Dream and anyone affiliated with it that understand?
I was wondering why no-one had responded to my changing of the very fabric of reality...
Anyways, yes. The idea was that the Dream Realm is now physical and semi-solid. It still shifts and changes, and obeys slightly different laws than everything else, but anyone can see it, and if you walk long enough, you can just stroll right in.
Standing at a reasonably high vantage point in the center of the continent, you can see the borderlands of Dream, but it is very difficult to focus on any one thing for very long - everything is a hazy, and if you blink, or look away, the view will be a little different when you look again. If you walk far enough, you reach the Borderlands. Here, things start to become less well-defined. Trees stop looking like trees and more like the ideas of trees, and you may start seeing things out of the corner of your eyes. Once you go a little further, little scraps of dreams become visible. Strange buildings, odd creatures and hallucinations are common. Usually, people will see the same thing in totally different ways. Further than that, you start getting into the Dream proper, and if you know what you're doing, you can walk straight into the Dreamscape of another God (or person, when they appear). If you don't... well, there are nightmares there too...
So that's how I picture it. It renders the Gates rather redundant, but I think this is cooler, anyway.
But you can't do it apparently.
I like the idea that outside the real world is the planes. And you can see it.
It might make sailing a bit precarious though.
Sorry, but in talking with Shadow we concluded that merging the planes just isn't really possible. For one, its the material world; it was never created as a plane. Also, even if it was a plane, then you would have started with two planes and ended with one; essentially destorying one of them. That's 4pp, then you'd need to add effects to the material world (at least another 3pp but probably a lot more).
It is a cool idea, but one that just can't work like that unfortunately. However, you can bring in such a meld more slowly; create some land and an artifact that has the effect of "merging" the two planes in a localized area, for example.
I understand the concern of it being an overpowered move, but I'd like to defend the action, if I may. I think "meld plane" was a poor choice of words. What I actually did was get rid of the barrier between the planes, sort of like expanding the Gates to cover the entire edge of the universe. Dream isn't overlaid on top of the world, and they're still separate realms, it's just that Dream is visible from the real world and can be entered by walking in any direction for a while.
If a similar thing happened with another plane (say, the plane of Death), it wouldn't cause everything in the world to die, but would just allow people to walk into the deathlands very easily. This might create interesting problems (dead spirits might tend to come back quite a lot) but I don't see it as terribly overpowered (it seems to create interesting story possibilities, actually - maybe some of the Gods don't like the spirits hanging out in the world willy-nilly and so imprison them forever behind a wall of stone on the the border of death, or something).
So, in conclusion: I have a tendency to write poetically and not be clear enough about what I'm really doing, and while I of course respect your decision, I think it may be based on a miscommunication.
The lowest part of the current existing world, we have a continent. Around this continent is a large ocrean. In the center of the continent is a pillar of flame. Miles above the continent, we have a large island
EDIT - Will the Dream Seas be affected by AngeloftheNight's big freeze?
Lovely. Thanks, shadow. The Dreamlands now border the sea around the continent.
Border as in the outer edges? Or did I just have a glacier and a phantasmal plane of the inner eye completely blanket everything I hold dear...
And Dream Raven names
=========
Draven
Anancites
Nightweavers
Morpheutes
Hypnos
(make them Nightingales)
First off it seems he spent 7 pp creating a giant glacier continent (3pp), and an epic tier intelligent race (4pp).
thats to many pp, I am sure, or am i missing something?
Not to mention how they would see with only Xa'an and Chactross as light sources in the world, or what they would eat being in the air, when all other living creatures are currently in the aether.
Maybe they eat ice?
Side note: How are your aether trees and aether stirges surviving on the continent? Thought mentioned that aether creatures can't survive in air, and air creatures can't survive in aether.
As for the Titans... Didn't Angel make the glacier last turn?
I think the whole dreamscape that he is going for is similar to the phasing property of the feywild on the material plane in fourth edition. Seeing as the dreamscape mirrors or emulates the real world when it is phasing in a mortal would not notice the gradual shift from the material world to the dreamscape.
That's a good way of putting it, yes.
First, Mostly Ghostly, can you edit your post here to clarify that is was a Create Artifact (Greater) action that exnpanded the effects of your gates? Additionally, are your creatures ravens, some kind of special aether ravens, or dream ravens? I beleive you said Dream Ravens, but I would appreciate if you specified in the creation post, to prevent confusion later.
Second, The Orius, could you detail exactly how the Aether Stirges work for me. I'm having a slight difficulty figuring out what they do, exactly. If they are aether beasts, how exactly are they surviving in the air around the continent to keep the aether trees alive?
Third, AngeloftheNight, just a note. I'm going to assume your 3 PP haven't been spent yet, seeing as you didn't have enough for the Frost Titans. Just a heads up.
However the aether trees on the continent are now the last of there kind unless they find some new way to reproduce since the spores cant build up to create trees anymore, and they are populating the islands that are left on the continent.
Talking about all this "aether" I am now curious but should "aether" be a template we need to create?
furthermore i still dont understand the ice glacier is it a chunk of the ocean around the continent or the whole dang thing? It is continent size if he spent 3pp so would that be all of it frozen?
finally i am pictureing the dream scape aroud the ocean as a ravenloft type thing, you enter it and are now in the dream plane? is this right?
First off, I like the look of this world so far. The crazy floating islands and halo-rivers give it a really otherworldly feel, making it seem like a magical world instead of just a world with magic.
Anyway, Delfedd told me he plans to create a sun god in about a week, and I would like to play his offspring. Here's my tentative statblock.
Name: Thans
Greater Domains: -
Moderate Domains: Sun
Lesser Domains: Day
Alignment: Unaligned
Physical Appearance: A tall, golden-skinned man with curly, sandy-blonde hair and a perpetual smile.
Symbol: Two parallel lines, one bright gold and one black, representing day and night.
Aether stirges live in air but they are aether creatures.
Sounds sort of like Amphibians, except with aether and air, rather than water and air.
As for an aether template, I'd say it isn't needed, but I suppose making it a creature keyword might be a good idea. It is a basic element along the lines of air and water. Something that is native to it isn't going to be at home in other elements, and visa-versa. Just as a fish can't fly (usually), birds native to air can't fly in aether (usually). There isn't a strict distinction -- there are swimming birds and flying fish -- but just a general classification.
Warning: A reset is scheduled this afternoon, I believe. Use PP or loose them.
I thought everyone entered the game with 6PP? And yes, it is a continent sized chunk of ice thats moving around.
Everyone does enter the game with 6pp. You just happened to spend 3pp on the Vymurl Glacier.
Edit: And yes, there is a reset scheduled for this afternoon. The next one after this is for Saturday.
And just so people know if they want to, This reset is technically year 250 in the game world(well, since time was standardized). Every reset represents 250 years of game time.(For those who think it's a lot, it's for a reason, and has already been revised down. Originally it was going to be 500 years a reset).
We admins have been talking about issues that have come up in the game and it seemed best to post the updates to the rules around a reset. First on the list is Templates.
1) Admittedly, we hadn't considered templates when we were designing the rules. Then Camu came along and created a template in the game. So we have created a new action to be used here-on out:
2pp, Spawn Template - Create a template that can be applied to other creatures.
If you want to make liches, vampires, mummies, etc, this is your action.
2) Secondly, in light of player concern over Greater Domains, we revisited the concept and decided to un-limit Greater Domains. Multiple gods can claim greater domains at different points in the game, just like moderate and lesser domains. A new god can even enter the game as a greater domain (or a Moderate/Lesser Domain) already owned by another god.
However, we will limit domains in another manner; specifically, only one god may start with any given domain. For example, a new player can enter the game as the "god of secrets," as secrets only exists in game (currently) because it was claimed after a god came into being. But a new player cannot enter the game as "the god of dreams; that has already been claimed as a starting domain once, so never again. This is to help differentiate gods; starting domains are often what a god IS, while later domains are often what a god controls (though not always, of course).
We are allowing this so that there isn't a pressure on players to rush to claim the domains they really want; if someone else claims it first, no worries, you can still get it (but you might want to be careful; the other god may not be too thrilled having someone influencing the domain).
Additionally, I looked into mythologies and the game and while this is generally rare, we do find multiple gods of the same domain. 4e has two gods of Magic, for example. Who is the Norse god of war: Odin or Tyr? The Egyptian god of the sun: Amun, Ra, or Horus? and so on.
Sharing domains is still possible; in exchange for the domain being revokeable by the original buyer, you get it for free.
We liked Delfedd's suggestion on many levels, but it seemed undesirable to force a god who only wanted three domains (which just happened to be greater domains) to have four other, unwanted, domains. That wouldn't lead to good roleplaying. We do certainly encourage people to RP claiming domains, however. Indeed, one time PP rewards can be given to players who have displayed particularly note-worthy RPing and world contributions.
case in point I am the God of nature, but i took the greater domain of balance, but its in relation to nature and the cycle of life. I dont find myself to be a god of balance in regards to rules and lives, and upholding the balance of good and evil, in fact I my character has no concept of good or evil just a balance in relation to the lands and the creatures in it
A god who is the balance between Good and evil, would be the God of Balance when he started....at least in my mind...
As templates now cost 2PP, do I get 1 PP back, as I spend 3PP on the template I made
One pp spilled forever.....
Anyway.
Speaking of templates though, there still something that bugs me a bit and that it the ability of those wisps to 'cure' my template.
It...it just sounds a bit too powerfull for a creature to transform an elite creature back to a basic one. (as a template makes a normal creature turn into an elite or even solo)
Also wisps heal infected things very slowly, and move slowly as well. Right now, the decay is spreading faster than the wisps are healing it.
PP Refresh
4 - Veros, Neko, Xa'an, Yoglith, Chactross, The Void, Oravolos, Oreb Nahash, Unknown, Shurka, and Vymrl
Starting next reset (Saturday) we'll start providing feedback to help players advance themselves.
Additionally, we will start giving out "Admin Choice Awards;" bonus PP that will be included in reset PP (and thus counts towards your combat value). These are small, one round, awards that are intended to reward good roleplaying and excellent world-crafting. Admins are of course exempt from the running. These wont be handed out every reset, but when we feel it appropriate.
Of course, there is the flipside to PP bonuses; that being, PP penalties. This is generally a first step in addressing disruptive behavior. And now let us (hopefully) never speak of this again.
this raises a question though, with all these island if I do a nourish land does it need to be per island? or are the demntions that we stipulate when we create a creature enough for them to...colonize new lands.
FOR EXAMPLE: My aether stirges and aether spores that can create trees and the other flora and fauna are in the aether along with the islands would they just NATURALLY inhabit it or do we need to nourish for each of them? or one nourish for the lot of them?
While Shadow or Sina can correct me if I'm wrong, generally a nourish has X effect. That can be focused on a small area, or it can be spread out to a larger area. To apply arbitrary numbers, say that a Nourish produces an effect of 100. That could be focused on a single island (100 per island) or distributed to three islands ( 33.33333333333333 per island).
Hopefully that answers your question?
And Thought, my intention was to keep the islans within the air, not in the aether.
my island is a mile up offset to the right and it is definetly in the aether.
and if im not mistaken there is a low laying asteroid field up there too....
- Above it 3 islands around the pillar a couple hundred feet up just before the edge of the atmosphere.
- A few hundred feet above them an asteroid field
- A mile above it all is Oravalos' island (unnamed)
- shurka's island is somewhere in there as well.
Check it out i guess.
Sort of like a series of spheres. At the center is the pillar, with a little land and water around it, then the air and a few islands, then the aether, then the void.
I had been working on this when Delfedd posted his link, but this is how I saw the whole thing. The dreams aren't necessarily below the world, just around it (i.e. in the foreground).
And I thought the aether just drifted through the void but did not mingle with the atmosphere.
Also, I wasn't sure exactly how many glaciers there were so I just drew the one.
*edit* Damn, I forgot the asteroid field.
My island is in the aether, and the air goes up a couple hundred feet, I am a mile over the continent.
is the pillar of fire seriusly that huge? I figured it was as big as a small mountain but way tall, both of your drawings is like showing it like its half the size of the dang contintent.
I would be down to help ascent a fey god, weather god, sun god, or god of life.
let me know.
I am interested in joining this game and being put on the wait list. I am willing to take any domain that is granted to me (I don't want to have people jerry-rigging ascension), but if pushed I'm thinking a combo of Moon/weather (ultimately).
Name:
Domain:
Physical Appearance:
Symbol:
Also, here's a list of domains. Pick those you think best represent your god, and we'll see if we can help you polish the details.
bom-chicka-wah-wah.
totally.
Xen sounds too masculine to me.
Meh, Xen sounds fine to me. Reminds me of the movie, Spirited Away.
Fear the god! FEAR IT!
Yoglith commands it!
i wouldn't mind playing a chick god. it would be extra creepy. tentacles, bewbs, aliens, mordor.
Chick? I dunno, its hard to see a small, yellow fluffy bird as being creepy, even with tentacles.
Then again... it could just be a fowl version of the Children of the Corn. That could work.
CLARIFICATION: I am curious if my island is inside the air pocket as delfedds drawing shows. I personally dont mind, but I would just like to know if that is the case before I start making more creatures.
wow, I really like how camu built up the psyonics over the course of the last couple updates.
Thanks
I am so stealing that idea.
... I'm not sure I know exactly how this works... Can players on the waiting list have their gods pop into existence whenever they think it's appropriate, or do we have to wait for a cue from an existing god? Because I want Frellisk to start artistically shaping the world in his own image ASAP.Hey, at least you don't have to wait until a god needs a minion or people start appearing. I'm probably going to set a record for longest wait before ascension, heh. :P
Not that I mind, though, as the whole concept of my god hinges on being subservient to someone else.
I would say no. You definitly specified that your island was at least a mile up, and the air is only a few hundred feet. The drawing is an abstraction. Your island is out in the aether.
ok i can see that, its like a sphere of air, and I am offset to the side of it.
works for me.
Hi! Good to hear you plan on joining the game. If you want us to put you in the waiting list, use this template:
Name:
Domain:
Physical Appearance:
Symbol:
Also, here's a list of domains. Pick those you think best represent your god, and we'll see if we can help you polish the details.
Right then:
Name:Mara
Domain: Moon (Moderate), Storm (Moderate)
Physical Appearance: to be determined...
Symbol: A waxing crescent
Thought, I think the list could use an update.
Aether stirges live in air but they are aether creatures. They hunt aether creatures and build nests in the trees that hold aether (like balloons) and the trees feed off this supply as well like a pollination but for food not reproduction. The stirges vent aether as they fly about and its how they fill there nests as well.
However the aether trees on the continent are now the last of there kind unless they find some new way to reproduce since the spores cant build up to create trees anymore, and they are populating the islands that are left on the continent.
I missed this post before. The Orius, Thought specifically said that aether creatures can't live in air, and given he created both it should remain accurate. This is why I'm having problems understanding how this works.
Thought, I think the list could use an update.
Done and done.
I missed this post before. The Orius, Thought specifically said that aether creatures can't live in air, and given he created both it should remain accurate. This is why I'm having problems understanding how this works.
Amphibians, only not for water/air but rather air/aether.
What makes air creatures unable to live in aether is fundamentally the inability to breath; Air creatures in the great up and out are like fish out of water (and aether creatures in the lower atmosphere are like monkey's in a fish tank).
It these particular cases, though Orius would have to confirm, I am imagining the creatures as essentially collecting and breathing aether but living in air (nicely away from the majority of predators). They build nests in trees that store the "aether," thus allowing them to rest there. When they fly between aether and air, I assume they'd just hold their breath.
Sort of like certain varieties of Barychelidae spiders (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barychelidae)
Right then:
Name:Mara
Domain: Moon (Moderate), Storm (Moderate)
Physical Appearance: to be determined...
Symbol: A waxing crescent
To note, those are two moderate domains (aka, 4pp). Your starting domains are limited to 3pp. While you could immediately claim the storm domain afterwards, you have to start with 3pp worth of domains (well... or less, I think the other admins would be willing to allow individuals to start with less).
It would be ever so nice if you'd visit once in a while and attempt to keep your god page up to date. Add new domains, list artifacts and planes, creatures, etc.
Since this is a newer wikia, we have a funky editor. If you've never edited a wikia before, you are probably good with it. But if like me you are old and crochity, yelling at kids to get off yer wiki-lawn, then you like seeing the code instead. To access that, first you have to log in to your account (you do have an account, right? If not, get one). At the top you should see your user name, followed by "My Talk," "Watchlist," and "More." Click on more and at the bottom of the list that appears you should see a "My Preferences" option. A new page loads with a bunch of information and tabs. Click on the "Editing" tab and towards the bottom of the list there is an option for "Disable Rich Text Editing." Make sure that box is checked, save, and you are good to go.
(this was actually also an atempt to let my god interact with others, since it remained on it's own atm)
Hey, at least you don't have to wait until a god needs a minion or people start appearing
Yeah, right, Armisael! I'm the ART god! I have no purpose without people!
:headexploJust curious, no one else wanting to react on the unknown mental storm trying to reach other minds
(this was actually also an atempt to let my god interact with others, since it remained on it's own atm)
Sorry, I totally missed that. I thought Unknown was reaching out to the minds of mold and the creatures infested by mold; I didn't realize you meant other gods..
Just curious, no one else wanting to react on the unknown mental storm trying to reach other minds
(this was actually also an atempt to let my god interact with others, since it remained on it's own atm)
Whoops, I thought that you were trying to bring your mind into living creatures...
Anyway, I just responded.
Art for art's sake needs no mortals. Who do you think made beautiful landscapes?
Domains: Music and Song.
Physcal Appearance: A human-like godling of female gender. She is short in stature, has copper red hair that reaches her shoulders, green eyes, slooping shoulders and a wide, whimsical smile that seems to be permanently glued upon her lips.
Symbol: Three golden half-circles against a green background.
And by the way!
Hello there!
I have been following the Lords of Creation game for nearly six months by now. I fell in love with Thraell'Kiss, felt grief as Pravus fell and hated the God of Treachery...and well now after all of this time it feels like I would like to add something to the story too.
Yay for T'k fans!!
Wait, doesn't psionics fall under knowledge?
I don't think so; other than being "mental," what connection between the two would there be?
I have been following the Lords of Creation game for nearly six months by now.
We'd love to have you, though there is a good bit of a waiting list.
But... no love for Gadabout? ;) Aye, the last LoC was quite a bit of fun. Hopefully this one will be just as memorable.
We'd love to have you, though there is a good bit of a waiting list.
But... no love for Gadabout? ;) Aye, the last LoC was quite a bit of fun. Hopefully this one will be just as memorable.
Yay!
Yeah, I can actually understand the fact about the waiting list. It is a popular game after all, even though song and music are two concepts that can easiliy become implemented in to the story.
As waves for the first time touches the rocky shores of the world, creating the first rhytm. As tree's awake humming the silent song of life, as life appears slow at first but faster and faster for each passing moment, she is slowly formed. Everything has it's own rhytm, the beating of hearts, the growling of beasts, the word of god's as they argue and fight for their right to create things in their own image.
A song of life and through that Eijra's body and mind will be sculpted.
Name: Eijra
Domains: Music and Song.
Physcal Appearance: A human-like godling of female gender. She is short in stature, has copper red hair that reaches her shoulder, green eyes, slooping shoulders and a wide, whimsical smile seems to be permanently glued upon her lips.
Symbol: Three golden half-circles against a green background.
And by the way!
Hello there!
I have been following the Lords of Creation game for nearly six months by now. I fell in love with Thraell'Kiss, felt grief as Pravus fell and hated the God of Treachery...and well now after all of this time it feels like I would like to add something to the story too.
Hah.. It never ceases to amaze me how much people liked the reclusive, angry whirley-wind of snow. ;P
Hah.. It never ceases to amaze me how much people liked the reclusive, angry whirley-wind of snow. ;P
He had a certain melancholy around him and he was also unique in the way that he actually didn't care that much about the outside world. There was also a certain beauty with him due to the fact the he was an "angry whirley-wind" of snow.
I find it funny that undeath is claimed as a domain before life or death domains have even showed up on the world yet.
Eh. Life and death already exist, and I don't think they need to be claimed to exist... like how there is some air, but no god has that domain claimed yet.
By the way as a creature of music and song, could my Eijra be considered a Fay? I have a vague plan in my head about creating sprites and similair things if I will have the luck to get accepted before these things are created.
That's cool, and appropriate. I'm thinking of making Eladrin early in my career, but if you beat me to it I won't hold it against you. Whoever enters the game and has the in-game motivation and PP first can have the honor, I guess.
Done and done.
Amphibians, only not for water/air but rather air/aether.
What makes air creatures unable to live in aether is fundamentally the inability to breath; Air creatures in the great up and out are like fish out of water (and aether creatures in the lower atmosphere are like monkey's in a fish tank).
It these particular cases, though Orius would have to confirm, I am imagining the creatures as essentially collecting and breathing aether but living in air (nicely away from the majority of predators). They build nests in trees that store the "aether," thus allowing them to rest there. When they fly between aether and air, I assume they'd just hold their breath.
Sort of like certain varieties of Barychelidae spiders (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barychelidae)
THIS IS EXACTLY CORRECT!
Moondoggy, before you begin, we need to know if your going to take the lesser domain your entitled to.
Aberrations and Pleasure, my good sir.
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Listening to: Finntroll - Midnattens Widunder
By the way as a creature of music and song, could my Eijra be considered a Fay? I have a vague plan in my head about creating sprites and similair things if I will have the luck to get accepted before these things are created.
ALDII:
I am looking to raise up a god of the FEY relatively quickly, you can make it a god of fey music, and sog at the same time.
Fey would be a moderate
music is a lesser I think. I have not checked to find out though.
Or, in Tropish (sorry for the link, Delfedd, it's important that I illustrate my point) you'll end up with a Ninja Pirate Zombie Robot, and will find it hard to find anything NOT connected to Dreams. And, as cool as the NPZR may sound, it paints you into a corner, most of the time, concept wise. It happened to me, so I REALLY recommend sticking to a narrow focus instead of making Dreams so broad.
To quote Strong Bad:
Too much of a good thing is an awesome thing. But too much of an awesome thing is...umm...really, really dumb and bad.
I actually think they shouldn't. See, we already have aberrations linked to it. If you just keep adding concepts to the overall Dream superconcept, you'll end up with a noticeable bloat and create a conceptual block.
Or, in Tropish (sorry for the link, Delfedd, it's important that I illustrate my point) you'll end up with a Ninja Pirate Zombie Robot, and will find it hard to find anything NOT connected to Dreams. And, as cool as the NPZR may sound, it paints you into a corner, most of the time, concept wise. It happened to me, so I REALLY recommend sticking to a narrow focus instead of making Dreams so broad.
To quote Strong Bad:
I agree, you have the dreaming aberration thing going with the creepy Cthulu vibe, or the dreaming dark from eberron.
Live fey to the tree huggers. :P
ALDII:
I am looking to raise up a god of the FEY relatively quickly, you can make it a god of fey music, and sog at the same time.
Fey would be a moderate
music is a lesser I think. I have not checked to find out though.
Fey is indeed a moderate domain, as is music.
"Song" would be a lesser.
ALDII:
I am looking to raise up a god of the FEY relatively quickly, you can make it a god of fey music, and sog at the same time.
Fey would be a moderate
music is a lesser I think. I have not checked to find out though.
That's a pretty nice offer.
I can always change my character slightly and take away the Music part and try to claim it later on, if I get the chance to do that of course.
Why? Too much fun in a single class?
Actually, it was more like I finished the semester's curriculum in half the time it was supposed to take (I kept skipping ahead) and spent the rest of the semester with my headphones on watching flash. That and spinning around in my chair real fast. That's fun.
That's a pretty nice offer.
I can always change my character slightly and take away the Music part and try to claim it later on, if I get the chance to do that of course.
well when you start you get 6PP no reason you cant use some of that initial 6PP to add the domain of music.
you can come into the world in a burst of song claiming music or something.
If your down to be ascended let me know, I will check witht he admins if I can get you in with my next set of PP.
NARWHALS
Yeah. Dream Narwhals. Tell yer friends.
...
Sorry, I had a Neil Patrick Harris moment there.
Moondoggy, to be clear, these two new planes are small areas within another realm of existence (in this case, the Dream Realm), right? Sort of like demi-planes and astral dominions?
I was pretty sure, but as there is a difference between the lesser and greater actions, I wanted to be sure.
And yes, they are two separate demi-planes within the Dreamscape. And the Narsk make sure the good and bad dreams go to their respective planes.
Narwhals. Just awesome.
Most. Scary. Creature. Ever.
I got the willies looking at that thing.
Okay, maybe not so much, but still.
I want to develop this a bit further first, if you don't mind
Though fluff explanations of how communicating over distances is perfectly acceptable to me. Like Ghostly's ravens carrying messages. Same effect, different roleplaying.
well when you start you get 6PP no reason you cant use some of that initial 6PP to add the domain of music.
you can come into the world in a burst of song claiming music or something.
If your down to be ascended let me know, I will check witht he admins if I can get you in with my next set of PP.
That is a most generous offer. An offer that I gladly accept
But in which way are you planning to ascend my character if you get the permission to do so?
While another admin should weigh in, I'm inclined to say no. Gods can't be in two places at once, so communicating telepathecally seems like a cheat.
Though fluff explanations of how communicating over distances is perfectly acceptable to me. Like Ghostly's ravens carrying messages. Same effect, different roleplaying.
I'll second that, though with the note that the Psionic fungus-god is acceptable to me, seeing as.. They are the Psionic fungus-god.
That is a most generous offer. An offer that I gladly accept
But in which way are you planning to ascend my character if you get the permission to do so?
I sent you a private messae to go over the particulars.
Thought, I'm not sure if you've noticed this yet, but I edited my original post to include the Woods minor domain, and the "other domains to be determined thing on the waiting list is starting to bug me.
The waiting list tends to lag behind. Thought especially does a lot of book keeping stuff, and it's just best to be patient.
The waiting list isn't anything official in the first place. It's just a reference so people know who is waiting to come in if one is looking to bring someone in.
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And this all reminds me: It's asked that players regularly keep their additions to the world up to date on the Wiki. That includes making the pages. Ultimately, the wiki is what remains of the game.
That said, don't expect the admins to do it for you. There are 11 non-admin gods in the world, and that list grows every week. Assuming an average of two actions a reset per god, that's 56 actions a week, counting those of we admins ourselves.
Honestly, it winds up being a lot of work.. For Thought, usually.
The waiting list tends to lag behind. Thought especially does a lot of book keeping stuff, and it's just best to be patient.
The waiting list isn't anything official in the first place. It's just a reference so people know who is waiting to come in if one is looking to bring someone in.
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And this all reminds me: It's asked that players regularly keep their additions to the world up to date on the Wiki. That includes making the pages. Ultimately, the wiki is what remains of the game.
That said, don't expect the admins to do it for you. There are 11 non-admin gods in the world, and that list grows every week. Assuming an average of two actions a reset per god, that's 56 actions a week, counting those of we admins ourselves.
Honestly, it winds up being a lot of work.. For Thought, usually.
Huh! Didn't think about that. Sorry!
Statted Skelks. Even though they got their asses handed to them by gray fungus :P
Fear the Overmind!
I need to do my background.
I also did not see a place to put the plants, and environments we are creating.
I would not mind updating such a page so that all of us and new players can get a good idea of the world we are creating.
I already posted this before, but I guess Ill just message thought about it.
It wasn't directed at you specifically sir. Just a general comment. You'll see lots of these reminders until everyone does it habitually to keep us quiet. I'm sure thought would appreciate some help, I think he responded to it once... I think. My big deal is just the gods pages, as they're ultimately the world from ones gods perspective, basically.
I'll just put the stats here...
150 HP
They are immune to attacks that have the weapon keyword, unless the attack is made with a magic weapon - and even then only does half damage.
They heal 10 hp to all living creatures within 5 spaces of them
Attacks against AC, ref, and fort automatically hit, but they have 25 will defense.
As for wisps, they'd probably be better off as "hazards" in a trap section (I know that they're basically the opposite of hazards, but that's the category that fits them best).
Edit: Hell, here's a Pillar of Life fantastic terrain. Case closed, I say.
Pillar of Life
This tall stone pillar is infused with life energy. Any
creature that begins its turn adjacent to it regains 5 hit
points per tier.
Greater Domain:-
Moderate Domain: Tyranny
Lesser Domain: Envy
Physical Appearance: Shifts between two forms depending on which domain its manifesting: a massive, feminine-looking mask of jade for envy, and an equally massive, masculine-looking mask of iron for tyranny
Symbol: A coin that showx heads on both sides. One side is made of jade or is somehow represented as green, the other is made of iron, or somehow represented as grey or black.
Hi, so this is my god. I was kind of picturing him/her as a god with split personality disorder, and switches between two "brother and sister" personalities on a whim. I was just wondering, would tyranny actually be a moderate domain? Thanks.
Aradeia
Art for art's sake needs no mortals. Who do you think made beautiful landscapes?
Hmmm... that's a good idea. God, I haven't been thinking much this week, have I?
As for wisps, they'd probably be better off as "hazards" in a trap section (I know that they're basically the opposite of hazards, but that's the category that fits them best).
Except traps give exp for overcoming them. Wisps give equal advantages to all combatanents... well... almost. I suppose a group of adventurers could be carrying a wisp in a bottle and release it whenever they have to fight undead since wisps only give healing to living creatures.
...But that's kind of weird.
By the way, can wraiths be made from any dead creature, even if it isn't intelligent?
Except traps give exp for overcoming them. Wisps give equal advantages to all combatanents... well... almost. I suppose a group of adventurers could be carrying a wisp in a bottle and release it whenever they have to fight undead since wisps only give healing to living creatures.
...But that's kind of weird.
By the way, can wraiths be made from any dead creature, even if it isn't intelligent?
Hehe... I forgot that hazards give xp for defeating them.
And actually, Wraiths can only be made for creatures that aren't intelligent (right now sentient creatures are out of luck).
I would guess that envy would be lesser.
I'll put in a Reptilian Wraith now.
Turn 4 begins now.
PP Refresh
4 - Veros, Neko, Xa'an, Yoglith, Chactross, The Void, Oravolos, Oreb Nahash, Unknown, Shurka, Vymrl, Nocturne, Xirinet, and Ythrexle
Admin's Choice Award
Sorry, none this reset.
Sorry, none this reset.
So then what type of wraiths do skelks become when they die?
I would guess that envy would be lesser.
Okay, I finished the Reptilian Wraith.
It means imprissonable
Thanks for clariffying!
I agree, I have been mostly active in the aether though because we dont have light yet. and the continent is mostly barren. I guess I could look to the oceans and marshes but I felt those were still in flux to to great a degree to build ecosystems.
This turn should be interesting though, I am gonna make a friend!
Though Xa'an does shed light where ever he goes. He's what is feeded aether proto-plants right now.
Anywho, none of that was to challenge anything you said; just pointing out that the only limits you have are the limits you place on yourself
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and the rules.
WHICH I LIKE! I am still new here and trying to see how weird we want to go with all our conceptual ideas that are outside the norm.
I am going to ascend a god this turn then the both of will begin the work
I promise you that. Edit: Ah, so it's gonna be a god. That's cool too, though it makes me wonder WHO is going to be the lucky guy/gal. There're plenty of gods who could help a god of Nature.
Name: The Tyrant
Greater Domain:-
Moderate Domain: Tyranny
Lesser Domain: Envy
Physical Appearance: Shifts between two forms depending on which domain its manifesting: a massive, feminine-looking mask of jade for envy, and an equally massive, masculine-looking mask of iron for tyranny
Symbol: A coin that showx heads on both sides. One side is made of jade or is somehow represented as green, the other is made of iron, or somehow represented as grey or black.
Aradeia
Interesting concept. Though as others pointed out, Tryanny is a lesser domain. A tyrant is a specific role, just like a baker or a beekeeper. Hence, lesser domain (probably under "civilization" or "government" or some such).
Envy (and lust, anger, and all emotions) are lesser domains for one very simple reason:
"Emotion" would be a moderate domain. Thus, specific emotions are lesser.
EDIT:
Though, you might want to have an easier-to-say name. "The Tyrant" doesn't roll off the tongue too well.
Though I would find "Ms. The Tyrant" to be amusing. Sort of Dr. Mrs. The Monarch, from Venture Bros.
Greater Domain: -
Moderate Domain: -
Lesser Domain: Envy, Tyranny, Greed
Physical Appearance: A terrible, yet beautiful looking woman. Her behaviour changes erratically between a gruff, millitary-like manner, and a cool, seductive persona, her form shifting from iron to jade, respectively.
Symbol: A coin that shows heads on both sides. One side is made of jade or is somehow represented as green, the other is made of iron, or somehow represented as grey or black.
As Moondoggy pointed out to me, our two gods were too similar, so I am changing mine so that it doesn't resemble his so much. Sorry for the trouble.
Also, I was thinking, to keep the whole jade and iron thing I had going originally, that she could create deposits of the stuff in the world, and then create dwarves as her agents in the world who would mine the metals and use it to create tools and weapons and such.
If your going for the coin thing go for greed or something, that is dwarvy as well.
Who ever said you needed light? Plants only need light if you say they do (sort of like how Matt said that water conforms to a container because it doesn't want to bother having its own shape). You can have plants that feed on darkness, if you so desire.
Though Xa'an does shed light where ever he goes. He's what is feeded aether proto-plants right now.
Anywho, none of that was to challenge anything you said; just pointing out that the only limits you have are the limits you place on yourself
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and the rules.
^^^That, and, the blacklight crystal produces light shadows. If you feel it is absolutely necessary to have plants grow with light, then you can create them in "shadow" (which is light).
Not to mention the fact that I also created a forest, which you pretty much get to lord over.
Maybe I'll go with the greed thing for now, and then once I actually get in there and create jade and iron in the world, I can add those to my domains? That way, it can be kind of like jade and iron as we know it were actually created in the image of the goddess. Thanks for your help!
Aradeia
It's pretty interesting.
This sense of this world is very Nausicaa. I'm guessing we'll see the Ohmu soon?:D
Perhaps, Ghibli-fan. Perhaps...
Please?
I am terrible at statting monsters. If anyone wants to help me out with the narsk, I would greatly appreciate it.
Please?
ask space dragon he is the fing man at it. He is finals this week but he is helping me out to stat some of mine.
I say this without asking him in any way if he would like to become a defacto creature statter for everyone, so keep that in mind. :D
I am terrible at statting monsters. If anyone wants to help me out with the narsk, I would greatly appreciate it.
Please?
Sure, I'll help.
But I'll need to know how powerful it is, what kind of abilities/attacks it has, etc.
My god currently has in its possession this massive dream creature and I wanted to make it a permanent fixture in the Dream. A sort of Leviathan beast that protects the place. And since I don't really have to create the thing from nothing, how much PP would it cost to appoint it as such?
Though if dreams were a race of intelligent creatures, you could also guide them to keep watch over an area.
are either of those what you were envisioning?
Name: The Empress
Greater Domain: -
Moderate Domain: -
Lesser Domain: Envy, Tyranny, Greed
Physical Appearance: A terrible, yet beautiful looking woman. Her behaviour changes erratically between a gruff, millitary-like manner, and a cool, seductive persona, her form shifting from iron to jade, respectively.
Symbol: A coin that shows heads on both sides. One side is made of jade or is somehow represented as green, the other is made of iron, or somehow represented as grey or black.
As Moondoggy pointed out to me, our two gods were too similar, so I am changing mine so that it doesn't resemble his so much. Sorry for the trouble.
Also, I was thinking, to keep the whole jade and iron thing I had going originally, that she could create deposits of the stuff in the world, and then create dwarves as her agents in the world who would mine the metals and use it to create tools and weapons and such.
Psh. Forget being too similar to Moondoggy. My gods shifted between Masculine and Feminine longer. ;)
Name: The Empress
Greater Domain: -
Moderate Domain: -
Lesser Domain: Envy, Tyranny, Greed
Physical Appearance: A terrible, yet beautiful looking woman. Her behaviour changes erratically between a gruff, millitary-like manner, and a cool, seductive persona, her form shifting from iron to jade, respectively.
Symbol: A coin that shows heads on both sides. One side is made of jade or is somehow represented as green, the other is made of iron, or somehow represented as grey or black.
As Moondoggy pointed out to me, our two gods were too similar, so I am changing mine so that it doesn't resemble his so much. Sorry for the trouble.
Also, I was thinking, to keep the whole jade and iron thing I had going originally, that she could create deposits of the stuff in the world, and then create dwarves as her agents in the world who would mine the metals and use it to create tools and weapons and such.
I approve. Duerger first though, then dwarves. We have evil dwarves for just this purpose... unless you feel like inverting roles which is always welcome in my book.
As a general notice:
And, as an over-arching reason for the above: We've had information inexplicably removed and unaccounted for. Any behavior that could potentially cause loss of information, especially irreplaceable information(Such as the information removed from rules) will not be tolerated.
If you find this inconvenient, I apologize in advance, but the game quickly approaches 20 individuals and a few accidents can ultimately be incredibly damaging.
Aldii, please make one final note as to your exact domains, here. Then you are clear to post IC. You will have 6 PP.
Okay, my exact starting domain is Fay and Song.
And by the way, thank you for letting me be part of a something this wonderful.
By the way, I was thinking, instead of dwarves, I would create a new race. Moondoggy was kind enough to help me with it. It's sort of a subterranean, metalworking race with four arms (though the second set is too weak to be useful in combat).
Aradeia
And by the way...would it in theory be possible for my god to make the world round? How far does a God's power actually go?
Maybe you have.
And by the way...would it in theory be possible for my god to make the world round? How far does a God's power actually go?
I was thinking that it could be interesting if the Moon and the Sun, in their rotations, physically go through the dream realm under the world. But either way...
Moondoggy, what does your new artifact do?
IC it allows my god to easily shape pre-existing dreams and beings in the Dream into whatever I want.
OoC it give a bonus to "Ascend Exarch" to Mostly_Ghostly, myself, and whatever other god comes and gets them from the Dream because they work outside as well. If a being can dream, it can be changed by the Dreamweaver's tools.
OoC it give a bonus to "Ascend Exarch" to Mostly_Ghostly, myself, and whatever other god comes and gets them from the Dream because they work outside as well.
Just to note, each artifact produces 1 pp (per 3pp invested) per turn total. So if you use it in one turn, Moondoggy, Ghostly couldn't use it as well. However, you can "upgrade" an artifact (investing another 3pp) so another god can use the PP in the same turn (it generates 2pp, but each god may only draw 1 pp per turn, and still linked to a single key word). Essentially, its like creating a new artifact, but its the same one.
For old-timers, "global artifacts" like the WanderWay from the last LoC aren't possible. We tried to fit them into the rules, but there was just far too large a possibility of abusing such things (and the rules were getting far too complex).
I have actually been doing some thinking on this and had some things I would like to change about my goddess, and I was going to just put the changes on the wikia when I actually got on. Should I just post them here, now?
Please post here so that we can see what sort of changes you are talking about (or PM an Admin, or both).
Also, the only thing about her that really indicates any change in temperament are her six arms that are constantly awhirl in a never ending dance. The dance speeds when she is agitated or when she switches between her two personalities: Samvala, the slower, more ponderous one who also controls Envy, and Naya, the agitated, always moving one who embodies Greed. They both share Tyranny.
And then, I also took Thought's advice on choosing a name that rolled off your tongue, and now wherever they are referred to as one, complete whole, the two personalities are called the Empress, though I already included that in one of my last posts. I just thought I should rewrite it here for completeness' sake.
I also thought she could sort of embody the other gods' flaws and secret desires, and be born from that, and then start to access more and more of these inner demons. In essence, that would be like adopting new domains, like Wrath, and Pride.
Aradeia
thats as far as I have gonefiguring it out personally.
Feel free to ignore me :P little things like that just annoy me
However, its really easy if you have the information about your god handy (which I don't).
First, go to this page: http://lordsofcreation.wikia.com/wiki/Xa'an
Whee, that's me.
Now, at the top you should see an "edit" link. Hit that and once the new page has loaded, copy everything.
Now, go to: http://lordsofcreation.wikia.com/wiki/Eijra
it will give you the option to create a new page. Do so, and paste everything in the window. Now, adjust the text accordingly (you are the 15th god, I think). When you are done, hit save and everything should be good to go. If not, no worries, I'll come around to it eventually.
EDIT: The best way to create pages in the wiki is to find a page like you want, copy it, paste the information to the new page, and just change the text. Really, that is a lot of what I do (but I go into the code because I hate the new "rich text" editor with a passion; everything was simpler before, dagnabit, and now there are kids on my lawn! Bah, humbug).
it is part of the fun! and it could have ramifications as well....mwahhaha
I don't really think there's a need to quote in the IC thread. As far as I'm aware, it's not against the rules or anything, it just sorta bugs me for some weird reason; plus, we can usually tell who you're talking to without needing a quote.
Feel free to ignore me :P little things like that just annoy me
sometimes alot of posts come between two peoples conversations, so I will quote in such a case so people see who i am responding to.
It will also help new people to puzzle out what is going on.
I try to be as clear as possible since about what? 15 diffrent visions of the world are in effect right now, and I try to make sure everyone is clear on wht my god sees and does.
hence my prodigious use of bold text.
just one of my little things
ff6shadow, what are these tantalyzing hints about some sort of reshaping the world. I hope you're not going to try to make things more "logical." If that happens, it'll happen on it's own by people making new continents in the ocean and eventually wrapping things around, or something.
While I understand you are speaking out against what you perceive as a potential action you don't like, I do feel forced to note based on frequency with which you seem to do so:
You're not qualified to make such assertions. While you are a vocal minority, the last thing you felt compelled to make demands about failed to induce response from the majority of the players, whom you clearly do not represent.
Your propensity for making such assertions and demands in public appears to be more meddlesome than well intended. And, as you will likely note upon reading this post, is also much more annoying than receiving one in private first, and as such less likely to draw the wished for response. The latter will likely be demonstrated as well.
That said, it's likely much more productive to work through minor concerns in a means affording mutual respect and appearing less bossy, no? Or merely act against it in character? Or in general anything besides coming here and insisting you represent the masses you've failed to even speak too?
Violently.
I'll attempt to be more subdued in my OOC responses.
besides last I checked we are all here to have fun and make a cool world.
The_Orius
sometimes alot of posts come between two peoples conversations, so I will quote in such a case so people see who i am responding to.
sometimes alot of posts come between two peoples conversations, so I will quote in such a case so people see who i am responding to.
It will also help new people to puzzle out what is going on.
I try to be as clear as possible since about what? 15 diffrent visions of the world are in effect right now, and I try to make sure everyone is clear on wht my god sees and does.
hence my prodigious use of bold text.
just one of my little things
I don't know... it just seemed pretty clear who you were talking to; especially since the post was less than 5 posts away.
Like I said; feel free to quote if you want to. It's not damaging the game or anything... I'm just weird
Also, still have 4 pp to spend before tomorrow
ed "However, I have no idea if any of you actually have twitter pages, or have the inclination to do anything like that. What do you guys think about that idea?
I am on technological day-light savings time. I generally start using new things like that a good 5 years after they become popular.
its right up there with my space as one of the "technological advances" that are ruining society.
I mostly use it for news. I just thought it'd be nifty to have LoC beamed to my phone.
I ask because that is just something that would need to be noted in the wikia as being different than 4e. LoC tend to have a fair number of such things (landsharks were aquatic, in the last version, for example).
You do a great job of making Unknown seem really creepy and scary without overdoing it. Seriously, the only thing I can think of is "Well, I'm
Thanks
I have a few questions, for the admins mostly though.
How does a 4 pp create plane work? Does it just make another plane of existence and it is blank? you have to build in it just like in the world? or does that 4pp give you the ability to shape an intial world?
Basically, Aldii I gathered made a planet with water, plants animals much as the real world has, which I am sure she will modify.
my question is if that is right?
Technically, another god can come along and change it according to their will, but changing it so much that it looses the original conception is discouraged (and, well, forbidden). One could go to the Plane of Life, for example, and change how it looks, but one couldn't go and change it so much that it is the Plane of Death, for example.
So additional PP isn't necessary to shape it. However, for game purposes, most things inside the plane don't count towards your gods power (or not nearly as much). To use an example from the last LoC, a god's base PP was largely (maybe exclusively) dependent on their influence in the world as determined by worshipping populaces. TK had a plane full of countless Lycanthropes, but those didn't give him the same boost to his PP as if they had been in the real world.
Things in the Real World do cost PP.
Does that explain it?
So I can go there and put a second home in the feywild and it would cost me no PP.
Turn 5 begins now.
PP Refresh
4 - Veros, Neko, Xa'an, Yoglith, Chactross, The Void, Oravolos, Oreb Nahash, Unknown, Shurka, Vymrl, Nocturne, Xirinet, Ythrexle, Eijra
The feedback is non-existent this time. We were discussing it, and the weekend turn is really too narrow of a time to develop any real feedback. We're considering making it only weekly feedback. Feel free to PM us your thoughts on that.
One final note. wizdude47, you are now free to post as Frellisk (Domains: Art, Wood.). You have 6 PP.
New turn!
Though I have to say that as a new player it would have been quite nice to know how you judge my performance so far.
Is this an accurate assessment?
Except for the dream aurora, which is just outside the southern hole.
Here, I tried to throw together a simple visuyal in Paint. Given my current PC is farily well garbage, it's something.
It's going to be space dragon.
Is the "land" the inside of the sphere? Where is this bulwark artifact that stops clerics?
where is my island? shukas?
where is all the water?
I am confused....
I am going to reread the in character then the OOC. I hope we got some clarification soon.
The Aegis is like our atmosphere: it exists a certain distance from the ground, it surrounds the bulwark on the outside, like a bubble, keeping Aether out, and there is another on the inside of the Bulwark, also a certain distance from the ground, keeping the Aether in the center. The Pillar is in the center, it is in the large bubble of Aether that is created by the Aegis. So are all of the other islands.
It's like, everything that was there before is in the middle, surrounded by Aether. Around it is the Aegis, keeping the Aether there. Around that is the Bulwark, and it has air all around it. Outside of that is another Aegis, to keep the air in, and around that is more Aether, which just continues on. I'm guessing the water either exists on the outside surface of the Bulwark, or on the inside.
At least, that's what I got from all of that. Mind you, I could be entirely wrong. :D
Aradeia
The rest... Water is inside and outside I think, the islands are probably on the outside.
The Bulwark artifact... I have no idea.
As for your two islands, they are somewhere between the surface of the inner earth and the Pillar of Fire, essentially where they were before (but everything else changed in relation to them).
:P
The question is just how dense that makes the crust...
The other day in updating the PP expenditure list I noticed something that should probably be addressed. Here, let me quote it:
The Vyrmosk continued to hunt across Chillund Glacier. They began to clothe themselves in the furs of Frost Seals to cut the bitter cold.
While a lovely description, such a thing needs PP to back it up. Teaching a population "technology" (and yes, making clothing is a technology) is a guide action. 2pp, to be exact. Unfortunately, since Angel didn't spend PP on this above listed action, it didn't happen.
Teaching mortals to worship you, however, is a 1 pp action.
Just something to keep in mind.
how many miles between the pillar and the inner aegis?
how many miles from the fire pillar to the inner sphere?
How much air is there above the inner circle and the aegis? a mile up before the aegis starts? or larger?
How big are the holes at the north and south pole?
same questions for the outer part of the sphere as for the inner....how much air before the aegis?
final question, this bulwark artifact that inhibits faithful from calling on our powers...it is in the crust of this new sphere? in essence meaning no where on the sphere inner or outer can our faithful call on our aid (ie; clerics?)
I am still nt grokking
so...if i grok this. My island and shukas is on the inside of this huge sphere around the center fire pillar. The other three islands are here too or he sucked them up?
I suppose all three islands are in the center of the inner range with the pillar.
how many miles between the pillar and the inner aegis?
About a mile I think? I don't know if he specified it.
how many miles from the fire pillar to the inner sphere?
Unspecified, for it to be any meaningful size of a world I'd imagine the diameter roughly equal to earth. Of course for it to function with an earth-sized sun it would need a diamete of twice the earths distance from the sun.
How much air is there above the inner circle and the aegis? a mile up before the aegis starts? or larger?
I thnk he specified a mile's worth of air, though whether it was inner or outer I don not know.
How big are the holes at the north and south pole?
Unspecified, I imagine roughly as big as the inner sun can be. If there will be an inner sun (an external sun could create a day and night cycle by shining through the poal gaps).
same questions for the outer part of the sphere as for the inner....how much air before the aegis?
I believe it was specified at a mile somewhere. Though it's unclear for the time being.
final question, this bulwark artifact that inhibits faithful from calling on our powers...it is in the crust of this new sphere? in essence meaning no where on the sphere inner or outer can our faithful call on our aid (ie; clerics?)
In the crust, affecting only the space it takes up. I believe.
I am still nt grokking
Quite understandable.
Edit: On second thought, I'm beat. I'll get to your answers sometime tommorrow, when I'm not exhausted.
Also, what's the point of having Aether if you're just going to seal it off? Why would you do that?
This probably means i'm going to have to destroy it. Because I fear what i don't understand.
:D
Even though I find it cool OOC :D
WTF is up, people? I don't get the geography/cosmology of the setting anymore. If you want to modify something, please, PLEASE add a sketch of how the world will look before and after the change, because I'm not sure if the world is round, rectangular, or a sugary donut with chocolate toppings.
Indeed. As an impartial observer, I think I can safely say this:
WTF is up, people? I don't get the geography/cosmology of the setting anymore. If you want to modify something, please, PLEASE add a sketch of how the world will look before and after the change, because I'm not sure if the world is round, rectangular, or a sugary donut with chocolate toppings.
Clearly you've not read all of the OOC thread, which does indeed feature a drawing on what it looks like now, and apparently you missed the previously posted of what it looked like before.
That said, I'm actually really FAR behind and have much more reading to do yet, so I don't know how clear the descriptions are.. Just that pictures are provided. ;P
New one here
Old one I know how to find.
And just a note for those who are curious: 1250 years passed since time stabilized.
Clearly you've not read all of the OOC thread, which does indeed feature a drawing on what it looks like now, and apparently you missed the previously posted of what it looked like before.
That said, I'm actually really FAR behind and have much more reading to do yet, so I don't know how clear the descriptions are.. Just that pictures are provided. ;P
And just a note for those who are curious: 1250 years passed since time stabilized.
I clearly have read every post and clearly seen the pictures and I am completely lost on this new world.
I have gone along with it because thats the point of it all, but if one person, especially an admin is going to make such a sweeping change I would like quite a bit more clarification on what in the world is going on.
I have no idea how to interact in this new environment that WE as a whole did not come up with. It is now one persons idea and not built by all of us which I am cool with but I want to know what is what, which way is up, which way is down and how this effects me and my character.
I clearly have read every post and clearly seen the pictures and I am completely lost on this new world.
I have gone along with it because thats the point of it all, but if one person, especially an admin is going to make such a sweeping change I would like quite a bit more clarification on what in the world is going on.
I have no idea how to interact in this new environment that WE as a whole did not come up with. It is now one persons idea and not built by all of us which I am cool with but I want to know what is what, which way is up, which way is down and how this effects me and my character.
I was specifically responding to Armisael's demand of pictures. Sorry for confusion. Note I did say I've not read the descriptions, and did not quote anyone not demanding pictures? I don't know what's happened yet. I'm still at the part where Oravalos called Veros sketchy.
I reiterate: I am way behind.
Essentially, shadow seems to have combined the Leonhard Euler's model (central "sun", a single shell) with Edmund Haley's multi shell model (that is, a series of shells, but in Shadow's case, these aren't all earth).
At the center we have the Pillar of Fire. In a sphere around that is an area of aether. In a Sphere encompassing the aether is the Azure thingy. In a sphere encompassing the Azure thingy is normal air, then a sphere of earth encompassing that, then the bulwark thingy , then another sphere of earth, then another sphere of air, then another sphere of the Azure thingy, then just the rest of the universe (aether and void).
So there are essentially 8 spheres all set inside of each other.
"Down" for creatures is towards the bulwark. From the islands near the pillar, that is towards the inner layer of the earth sphere. From the outer aether, that is towards the outer layer of the earth sphere (which is to say, down is in opposite directions depending on your perspective).
This is also sort of like a dyson sphere ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dyson_sphere ) for anyone who saw that old Star Trek TNG episode with Scotty.
Does that help any?
It is, admittedly, quite confusing. Simple, but confusing.
I'll get there. I'll catch up and post on friday... And then I'll post on saturday again.. and repeat the cycle.
Now THAT! explains alot. I am fully down with that idea and i understand it.
Now I just need clarification that shadow's planet mimics the size of the earth model in that wiki or is other size.
I also still need clarification on the bulwark and its actual effects and how far reaching it is.
And now I have to know, since I just read it... There's still AIR around the continent the fire pillar used to be on right? And what around the fire pillar? You anomalers make it REALLY hard to keep my bugs around my god.. First Thought makes my Pyre Beetles float 200 feet away from my well.. And then Shadow... Well. I don't know what he did to my bugs.. But I'm going to have to find out.
The Bulwark causes relative gravity to the hollow earth. I would vote, since the stuff inside the hollow earth is subject to equal pull from all directions it is in effect NOT affected by gravity, and it's physics remain the same as before. The farther you get from the Hollow earth the weaker the gravity it generates. Shadow might disagree. I didn't create the artifact, he'll have the final explanation on that.
And.. This brings up a point I feel can use some refreshing: If no one's created it specifically.. Assume it doesn't exist.
Ala: Until now everything should have been assumed to be completely devoid of any form of physics. It is now affected by gravity(and soon to be other forces we commonly take for granted).
We live in a world of science, yes. We're used to some things. But we're playing gods shaping a world, and it does make more room for people this way.
effects the entire world well then...that is going to change things since it in effect kills all clerics and paladins and there ilk from every being on the planet.
Um...i dont get it still...
Is the "land" the inside of the sphere? Where is this bulwark artifact that stops clerics?
where is my island? shukas?
where is all the water?
I am confused....
I am going to reread the in character then the OOC. I hope we got some clarification soon.
The bulwark is integrated deep into the crust. And, to give information on it more simply, for creatures standing directly within it (for example, a hardened section of tunnel through it), it functions as an anti-magic field. It also prevents teleportation through it. It does not otherwise effect people not within in it's area.
You and Shuka's island, as the new map shows, is still where they always were, floating in the aether fairly close to the Flame Pillar. However, all of the water that Neko made is no on the surface, likely on the inner, since I let gravity do it's work on him. Additionally, the original continent I created was placed on the outside of the world.
As mentioned several times, the Dimension Bulwark provides gravity. People on the outside of the sphere are pulled inward, and people on the inside are pulled outward.
Nah, I'm cool with the Vyrmosk having air to breathe.
:P
:D I thought you might be. One thing I forgot to mention about the Azure Aegis. Any new floating islands you want to make in the aether can be surrounded by a piece of the Aegis and air for the same cost in PP as making the island itself. So, if Oravolos wanted to cover his island in air, and have the Aegis around it, it would cost 2 PP.
so...if i grok this. My island and shukas is on the inside of this huge sphere around the center fire pillar. The other three islands are here too or he sucked them up?
how many miles between the pillar and the inner aegis?
how many miles from the fire pillar to the inner sphere?
How much air is there above the inner circle and the aegis? a mile up before the aegis starts? or larger?
How big are the holes at the north and south pole?
same questions for the outer part of the sphere as for the inner....how much air before the aegis?
final question, this bulwark artifact that inhibits faithful from calling on our powers...it is in the crust of this new sphere? in essence meaning no where on the sphere inner or outer can our faithful call on our aid (ie; clerics?)
I am still nt grokking
The other islanbds are all gone, yes, I used them. The Azure Aegis is approximately 60,000 feet above the surface, but, unlike our world, air pressure remains the same from sea level all the way to the Aegis, though oxygen levels drop above 15,000 feet. This is accurate for both within the sphere and without.
I would say the diameter is about 6500 miles, with the circumfrance at the equator being around 19,000 miles. The polar openings are 1500 miles diameter on the outer surface, but slightly smaller on the inner, about 1000 miles. At their narrowest point, the polar openings are just under 800 miles wide. The curvature is shallow enough that someone walking would never notice the difference, though someone flying high enough would.
The interior diameter would be around 4000 miles, with the flame-pillar at the half-way mark. Inner circumfrance would then be about 10000 miles.
For those to whome it might matter, while the Dimension Bulwark is built into the crust, it also extends across the pollar opening, so someone travelling through it would have to pass through the anti-magic effects. The thickness of this effect would be a band about 600 miles
Additionally, here is another map, more clearly labelled and detailed.
One thing I forgot to mention about the Azure Aegis. Any new floating islands you want to make in the aether can be surrounded by a piece of the Aegis and air for the same cost in PP as making the island itself. So, if Oravolos wanted to cover his island in air, and have the Aegis around it, it would cost 2 PP.
Course, one could always just create air and not bother with the aegis. Saves a PP.
And I'm sure the aether will have currents eventually. Besides which, you stated air is heavier then aether. Gravity could also cause problems. Particuarly when you consider that none of the floating islands or the glacier provide gravity . . .
however last bit of details to wrap up.
We need a topographical map now showing the old continent, the new ones and where the water is....
but I am good to go regardless.
Since the continent was also flat, it blends in with the rest of the crust as well, but it is on the outside. And I was careful to leave the creatures and plants living on it alone when I moved it.
For example, Oravalos' aether thingies; being sealed inside of the air couldn't kill the species (though we might well suppose, fluff wise, that they are dead in the air but thriving elsewhere in the aether).
If a race has been nourished, only a denourish action can damage them. To uncreate a species, a despawn action has to be used. And so on, and so forth.
Just to be clear.
As soon as the other gods respond to Xa'an, I'll make my first post.
What do you think, should I erase it? Or can we say that the PP Eijra uses serves to strengthen the new god slight so he starts of with 7PP's?
And that new artifact creates an issue now. The Aegis pressurizes the air. So essentially it's allowing air to flow out at high speed, displacing the aether beyond it. Which will quickly kill any aether creatures in the vicinity that aren't blown away.
Generally, that is all Xa'an ever wants: a valid (in his eyes) reason.
Though now that Eijra posted a 5th pp, we have a bit of a dilemma. I'll let you guys decide.
SD, you can post now, in which case it could be taken that Eijra made Oravalos' decision for him (probably offending Xa'an, which would be a shame since he likes her right for the most part).
Or you can wait and see what Orius decides. If Oravalos rejects Xa'an's offer, Eijra's PP would allow you to ascend still. Xa'an would get the PP back. Or Oravalos can accept Xa'an's offer, in which case Eijra would get her PP back.
Or Aldii can modify her post to remove the offered PP. At which point SD would need to wait for Oravalos to decide (and hope he accepts Xa'an's admittedly fairly insulting offer).
there are a lot of ways to handle this, but it doesn't seem like a proper place for an Admin to decide.
Shadow, meh, it just means that there will eventually be yet another layer of air. The air will eventually settle ontop of the azure shield.
Of course, I think (but I'm not possitive) that if you already have a wikia account you wont need to create a new one.
Also, I'll BRB in about twenty minutes.
edit: also, since the world changed, is my god located on the inside or outside of the shell
Oh well, never said I couldn't share with the newling.
*shrug*
is the swampland and other fungal covered land now part of the inside of the shell?
edit: also, since the world changed, is my god located on the inside or outside of the shell
The continent is on the outside of the shell.
so i guess we are stuck on the outside then aswell
Also, there are entrances on the north and south sides, and you yourself can pass right through the shell at-will, so you can get back in whenever you want.
And besides, it not like I don't have plans to use that domain. ;)
I've been thinking, and I'm getting a bit tired of the whole nameless routine for my deity. It also makes things a lot harder to describe etc..
So it might be cool if the other gods gave it some cool-sounding name
The idea is that you guys name it
Examples: Roszellais, Milzerfall, Morior, Interea. All of them wordplays on "decay" in several languages.
I responded to thought in kind unless we can change it and accept his offer? remove her use of PP?
I dont see a problem story line wise though that she wouldnt just jump in there and finish it herself?
You let me know.
THOUGHT AND SHADOW: How can my stirges and trees not be dead? you trapped them in the air with a barrier they can no longer fly through.
Regardless they cant fly that high anyway....
I have not read it all yet, but is there a list of the domains already taken?
I don't want to still someone shtick.
Also, do new gods have to be created by the current gods? (its a little unclear on this)
Before I actually join, I'm going to read through the rest of it, although I have a good idea what I want to be
This looks interesting.
I have not read it all yet, but is there a list of the domains already taken?
I don't want to still someone shtick.
Also, do new gods have to be created by the current gods? (its a little unclear on this)
Before I actually join, I'm going to read through the rest of it, although I have a good idea what I want to be
Well, you can share the same moderate or lesser domains as other existing gods... the greater ones taken are (if I can remember...), Water, Ice, Fire, Nature, Magic, Time, Secrets, Void, Shadow, Light, Aether, Life, Psyonics, and... maybe others? (EDIT: Balance!)
Once you are approved you can be ascended, or just post on your own.
everything was on the one continent, the one continent is on the outside, ergo they are all on the outside
only thing inside is shurka's island, Oravalos' island and the fire pillar.
Is there any light on the outside?
Coming up in just a little bit.
we made a sun god so he can rectify that situation
edit: oh there he is
Delfedd and I have a ginormous father/son activity planned, that involves bringing sunlight to the world among other things. He should be on later tonight, and it will happen then.
Sorry for the slight delay. You'll get your sun tonight, though.
Welcome to the world Space Dragon.
(and anyone else who I've failed to welcome so far...)
Aww, come on, if the sun's coming, why didn't you use Here Comes The Sun? The Beatles need more love!
The Beatles have all the love they need. In fact that's all they need. The beatles get by because they have friends. From Abbey road to what Your Mother should know... they've had enough ;) I've had entire conversations using just Beatles lyrics.
Aquarius had a 40 year old virgin and some Hair (I think. I never saw it so I can't tell for sure) and that's about it...
Don't make me get my silver hammer.
Name: Eaman (ee-main)
Greater Domains: Competition
Moderate Domains:
Lesser Domains:
Physical Appearance: Eaman often takes the appearance of living granite, humanoid in shape, four arms, and exquisitely carved musculature. Colossal in size, he has no facial features unless he chooses, and they shift to imply mood more than to give aesthetic value.
Symbol: Eaman's symbol is two intersecting lines in a circle, representing conflicting interest that must clash in order for a superior to emerge.
THOUGHT AND SHADOW: How can my stirges and trees not be dead? you trapped them in the air with a barrier they can no longer fly through.
Regardless they cant fly that high anyway....
Well, the trees might die since they were stuff to the land with no aether, but I moved the land, not the stirges. The stirges would be in the aether itself still, and could simply migrate to one of the remaining floating islands.
Also, on second thoughts, it might make more sense for some things (such as Camu's fungus-swamp) to be on the aether side. If anyone wants their mortal creations to be on one half or the other, go ahead and specify that that's where it is.
Are these two worlds spheres or half spheres? Sorry, I know evertime something changes I'm asking questions... just trying to keep up.
It seems odd that they are the basis for night and day...especially now we have a sun god?
I basically turned the column of flame INTO a sun. It might not be shaped like the kind we're used to, or have all of the same properties (ie, the land around its base isn't burning up), but it serves the same function.
are the two halves at both ends of the fire pillar now like...
(---)
or are they sitting on bottoms like... two bowls around a pillar?
sigh....ok...once again i have no idea what is going on.
are the two halves at both ends of the fire pillar now like...
(---)
or are they sitting on bottoms like... two bowls around a pillar?
The two halves are in alternate dimensions. The fire pillar exists in both of them simultaneously.
Sorry, there are a lot of things that came up that need to be addressed before we get very many more posts. As this might change earlier posts, any subsequent post might need to be changed as well.
1) Space Dragon, you used 7pp. You only start with 6. Though there were 5 pp put towards ascending your god, those were PP specifically for ascension actions. As only 4 were needed, that last one reverts back to whoever's PP wasn't needed (in this case, it looks like Aldii, you, and Orius determined that Xa'an's PP wasn't needed, so he got it back).
EDIT: Never mind, I didn't see that you got 1pp from the pillar, sorry.
2) Ideally another admin will be able to weigh in on this soon, but I believe 4pp isn't enough to split the world in half as you have done.
It sounds like the two halves are sort of in separate dimensions, is that correct?
If so, you create a new "plane." While I think having two material worlds that are connected but separate is fine, that is an entire 4pp in itself, with nothing left over to be able to shape the land. At most this second material world could be the equivalent of a Parallel Plane (like the feywild or shadowfell). Which is to say, the planes would reflect each other (and thus both planes would reflect the hallow earth model of Shadow's, un-split).
Here is where I really would like another admin to weigh in: In order to split the world itself, sans separate planes [thus creating a world sort of like this: ( * ) ] you'd need more than just 4pp to shape that much land. I am thinking you'd need 6pp [that is, 2 mold land (greater) actions] at the very least. The earth roughly has 24 pp worth of land (3 from the first continent, 3 from the meteor shower, 3 from Veros' islands, 3 from the gemstones, plus the 12 Veros used). That is 8 Shape Land actions (not even considering the water). That is a crap-load of land, and thus splitting it isn't cheap either.
I really want to be able to let you do this (I had even had a long reply post written up before I realized these issues needed to be addressed), but the PP just isn't there.
Do you remember in Galara when Armisael tried to create a plane that was an artifact as well that granted him +2 or +3 combat advantage ("The Last Straw"), using just 3pp? This is sort of like that. More PP needs to be invested to justify all those changes.
THOUGHT AND SHADOW: How can my stirges and trees not be dead? you trapped them in the air with a barrier they can no longer fly through.
It doesn't always make perfect real world sense, but in order to prevent potential abuses, in order to undo something that someone spent PP on, PP has to be used specifically to undo it. As you spent PP to create the stirges, and no one spent PP to unmake them, they still exist in the world. They might have died off in some areas, but the species themselves are still around. Such as on the floating islands, around Chactross' azure ring thingies, just floating free in the aether, etc.
To provide a more extreme example: Imagine that you have been developing an intelligent race into an empire (spending somewhere around 20 or 30 pp in guides, nourishes, and such), and someone comes along and drops a continent on them. The continent is mold land action. If we apply strict logic, that civilization (and all the PP you invested into them) would be erradicated. 3pp to undo 30ish pp is just an abuse, no two ways about it. As such, while the civilization might have been scattered, or buried underneath this new continent, etc, it would still exist and none of the PP invested into them would have been "lost." A mold land action cannot harm creatures; only denourishes and despawns etc can.
Issue#2, though...
Do you remember in Galara when Armisael tried to create a plane that was an artifact as well that granted him +2 or +3 combat advantage ("The Last Straw"), using just 3pp? This is sort of like that. More PP needs to be invested to justify all those changes.
Yah, spending PP like that is too much. I had gone with rule of cool as a justification for that back then, but I can see why it makes perfect sense for this kind of stuff to not be allowed unless there is unanimous player and admin accord to grant that power temporarily.
With that said, can't S_D receive PP gifted from another god after he was created? This way, he can still do all of his work...albeit in a lesser way, of course.
Edit: Also, correction: The Last Straw cost 4 PP. Hey, we've got to keep our facts correct! :p
No. Just. ****ing. NO. No 3pp artifact should impose a ban on actions. No way, no how. Sorry, but you'd have to spend AT LEAST three or four times that PP before I'd even consider something like that anything but blatant godmodding (excuse the pun), and likely at least six or seven times.
Seriously. Your god isn't powerful enough to do that, IMO. If you want that power, be ready to spend turns and turns not doing anything else but building up reserves for the artifact. It doesn't matter if it takes an assembly of gods and not just you to veto something, it's far too powerful.
However the ambiguities are getting dicey.
For instance I now need a ruling on my artifact I just made. For 3PP can I get it to do what it does? or does it need more or less?
By my logic a 2PP artifact should be able to do my inhibiting effect. However, I personally didnt find a moderate to be epic enough so I went greater and tied the 1PP generation into something that I felt fit for the artifacts purpose.
Let me know if i need to change this.
Also are we removing Space Dragon's post? where are we moving on from?
And why does everybody keep refering to the aether as trapped in a bubble? All the greay on my map is aether.
And the Crucible does not work either. Your artifact cannot prevent a god from spending PP like that.
That is a 4pp action, and requires an upkeep to keep them imprisoned.
It also requires that the god be weakened (from attacks). Or... well, I guess a god could willingly let himself be imprissoned for free (a god, not a player).
Lesser Artifact are things that mortals can use.
Moderate Artifacts are weapons and fluff descriptions. For Xa'an to make an artifact that does nothing but produce light (aka, a sun-like artifact), that would be a moderate artifact (2pp). That thing could produce light and be a weapon.
Greater Artifacts are PP producing thingys and fluff effects (to a greater extent than a moderate). Xa'an could create an artifact that produces light and a PP, for example.
The fluff effects of an artifact tend to be comparative, not abstract. A 3pp artifact can counter the fluff effects of a 2pp artifact, for example.
As to where we are in game; I think we need to hear back from SD.
Shadow and I will talk to figure out how much is necessary to split the earth.
Demiplanes cost two PP, correct?
I put in 2 pp as well, as a reminder.
If we must, we can hold off on the new plane creation and simply put them near each other.
The reshaping of the world from a small, flat plane to a large sphere cost 12 PP. I think that moving part of the already created sphere makes sense if it costs less than 8 pp.
because what you are saying is gravity is a fluff item? as is an anti magic field? that shadow put into his bulwark?
and the aegis he gave has stats as it is a solid object blocking out other creatures and need to be pierced in some way?
just trying to define fluff here...
EDIT: Okay, a lot of posts happened between this and when my ruling was ready, so I had a new post instead of modifying. Whee for confusion.
Edit: On the planeshaping part, what about spending 4 PP per split? Since the world is being split in half, that would be 8 PP. Since nothing is being destroyed, only changed, it sounds okay.
and Somehow this new god is chartross son? and he created him and influenced him? Where was the power expenditure to reflect that?
I made Eijra with all my own PP and she was what I wanted a Fey god of song. no one can dispute that.
I have no problem with Chartross lying to me and Eijra and throwing in something on the backside to say he tricked us and made this new god in his image, but I feel that should be reflected in cost. Or at least some how in the story?
I mean Eijra jumped in tossed her last PP and boom he was created, where did Chartross throw in all his own stuff to influence the new sun god?
His 1PP should not give him dominion over this new god...just because...
As an aside, Orius, if you want to keep the Crucible's intent intact, what you CAN do is make it work in reverse of a PP generating artifact. Once, maybe twice per turn, you can force a player to pay an extra PP for a Mold Land action, or whatever you prefer to block. For every 3 PP, you could choose to enlarge the penalty by one, or impose it one more time per turn. Thus, an 18 PP version of the Crucible could impose a 6 PP penalty on top of the normal cost to do a Mold Land action. Does that sound better? I'm not sure if that's alright with the Overgods (AKA, the admins), but it at least sounds a LOT more balanced than a total veto. And this is coming from the guy who had the most abusive artifacts by far in the original LoC (as I recall, I created a weapon that would have been appropriate for a level 40 character, and could level the playing field against a god), so I know what I'm talking about.
Edit: On the planeshaping part, what about spending 4 PP per split? Since the world is being split in half, that would be 8 PP. Since nothing is being destroyed, only changed, it sounds okay.
I really like this idea! can I do it! can I do it? I want it to impose a 1PP cost add to mold land!
let it be done! LET IT BE DONE!!
I think the resolution goes back a bit further as well. Since in my mind Eijra gave 2PP to creat the sun god, I gave one and Chartross gave 1PP.
and Somehow this new god is chartross son? and he created him and influenced him? Where was the power expenditure to reflect that?
I made Eijra with all my own PP and she was what I wanted a Fey god of song. no one can dispute that.
I have no problem with Chartross lying to me and Eijra and throwing in something on the backside to say he tricked us and made this new god in his image, but I feel that should be reflected in cost. Or at least some how in the story?
I mean Eijra jumped in tossed her last PP and boom he was created, where did Chartross throw in all his own stuff to influence the new sun god?
His 1PP should not give him dominion over this new god...just because...
More than one father still means that they're both fathers.
Its not like any of my other parents have given me ideas of their own. If you had, Tahn would have been just as eager to assist you as well.
1) The earth being split and in another dimension is just right out. Not enough PP was spent for that. If it is even possible (that is, to have two different planes but both being the material world), we admins will need to discuss later. But it isn't important now.
2) Changing another god's artifacts without their permission is in violation of section 3 of the guidelines. Not only was the action not left open ended (Veros should have been able to respond to the separation of his artifact just as easily and just as immediately as the Sun god split them), it was directly messing with something under the control of another god. You can mess with other people's toys, but doing so through roleplaying in which the other character has a chance to react is recommended.
2b) Additionally, this was in violation of section 6 of the guidelines. There is no 4pp mold land action; when you are unsure what action would be appropriate, ask an admin. In this case, you should have contacted either Sina or myself (as shadow would have forwarded the issue to one of us anywho; we try to remove ourselves from decision in which we have a vested interest). Of course, talking it over with Shadow (or any other player, had the situation involved them instead of Shadow) before hand would have been good too.
2c) Just as a total side note, the action does damage the azure shield. There are two layers of it. The center one could have been left as is, but as you described it, not the outer.
3) If you want to force an issue, spend the PP. You can destroy the offending artifacts (3pp each), you can create artifacts that circumvent it (like Chactross did with that ring in the azure thingy), or you can spend PP to "enhance" the artifact (like TK did with his spires in the last LoC; adding more PP to get additional benefits out of the artifact or changing its basic nature). In this case, that would be 2pp per artifact to "enhance" the artifacts so that they are separable. To offer a different example of how this might work: Noctrune can modify the physical form of his darklight crystal for free, but if he wanted to split it to have two darklight crystals in the world, that would require an investment of 2pp.
4) However, you don't need to even effect the artifacts if you don't want to. It is quite possible to move the land away from them without addressing the artifacts at all. The artifacts are adding benefits to the land, but they aren't exerting a force to keep the land there (as Shadow said earlier in regard to Orius' artifact, you can't create an artifact that prevents a god from taking an action). Admittedly, it would be rather weird for matter to pass through the bulwark and azure thingy, but we're playing gods; solids don't have to be solids if we don't want them to be.
5) The cost of splitting the earth and moving half of it away from the other half is 6pp.
Why 6pp?
I realize that people might wonder how I got to 6pp; let me assure you there is a reason behind it.
As I said, 24 PP went into making the earth. However, I realized that there are two interpretations of those 24pp (that is, in one there is 12 worth of land and 12 pp worth of movement, and in the other there is 24pp worth of land and 0pp worth of movement). This is, admittedly, because of my own lack of understanding on how the mold land option works. That is, I'm not sure if PP is required to move land, so I'd want Shadow and Sina to chime in. However, applying basic logic to both models, I got 6pp, so while this is an important issue for later, it doesn't affect my decision now. Let me explain:
24pp Land 0pp Movement Model:
12pp worth of that had been created before hand and moved to the rest of the earth. If moving all that matter to be part of the earth shell was a free action, moving it away again would be a free action. This means that the only real change to the land is splitting it. As such, I tried to figure out how much splitting a single greater mold land action could produce. Looking at maps of the real world, it looks like if one squished North America into a thin line (representing the split), it could wrap around the earth around one time (give or take a little space; I was just eyeballing it). However, Shadow's model has two layers (or twice the surface area, essentially). Therefore, I determined two continent sized actions were required to just split the ground. That would split this earth and it could then be moved away for free. To note, if the earth had been solid, I would have said more PP would have been necessary, but as it is just a shell...
12pp Land 12pp Movement Model
12pp worth of land was created before Veros reformed the world, and he had to spend an additional 12pp to move it all into place and join it together. Which is to say, there is only 12pp worth of actual land (the other 12 PP was used to move it). Hence, 6pp would be enough to move half of it away again. No PP is necessary to split the land as no PP was spent to join it all together. (whereas in the first model, it is assumed that part of the PP used to create the earth was used to join it all together as well, hence the 6pp for that model is undoing that).
This would technically require that the Pillar be moved as well, to now be half way between them, but moving artifacts is generally free
I realize that people might wonder how I got to 6pp; let me assure you there is a reason behind it.
As I said, 24 PP went into making the earth. However, I realized that there are two interpretations of those 24pp (that is, in one there is 12 worth of land and 12 pp worth of movement, and in the other there is 24pp worth of land and 0pp worth of movement). This is, admittedly, because of my own lack of understanding on how the mold land option works. That is, I'm not sure if PP is required to move land, so I'd want Shadow and Sina to chime in. However, applying basic logic to both models, I got 6pp, so while this is an important issue for later, it doesn't affect my decision now. Let me explain:
24pp Land 0pp Movement Model:
12pp worth of that had been created before hand and moved to the rest of the earth. If moving all that matter to be part of the earth shell was a free action, moving it away again would be a free action. This means that the only real change to the land is splitting it. As such, I tried to figure out how much splitting a single greater mold land action could produce. Looking at maps of the real world, it looks like if one squished North America into a thin line (representing the split), it could wrap around the earth around one time (give or take a little space; I was just eyeballing it). However, Shadow's model has two layers (or twice the surface area, essentially). Therefore, I determined two continent sized actions were required to just split the ground. That would split this earth and it could then be moved away for free. To note, if the earth had been solid, I would have said more PP would have been necessary, but as it is just a shell...
12pp Land 12pp Movement Model
12pp worth of land was created before Veros reformed the world, and he had to spend an additional 12pp to move it all into place and join it together. Which is to say, there is only 12pp worth of actual land (the other 12 PP was used to move it). Hence, 6pp would be enough to move half of it away again. No PP is necessary to split the land as no PP was spent to join it all together. (whereas in the first model, it is assumed that part of the PP used to create the earth was used to join it all together as well, hence the 6pp for that model is undoing that).
This would technically require that the Pillar be moved as well, to now be half way between them, but moving artifacts is generally free
Can I do that?
Anywho, yes, you can undo the action and leave the world as it was. We would request that players modify their subsequent actions accordingly.
Anywho, yes, you can undo the action and leave the world as it was. We would request that players modify their subsequent actions accordingly.
Let's do that, then.
Basically, Delfedd and I thought that the world was cooler back before it was spherified, and were annoyed when it was reshaped into its current formation (especially the thing with the pillar, islands, and aether being on the inside. That was just weird). We were trying to make the world more like the way it was before but still different enough to not totally invalidate the changes that others had made, but it looks like its just not going to work out, for a number of reasons. Its a bit of a shame (in particular, I was looking forward to turning the pillar into a sun, but on a round world that won't work for obvious reasons), but whatever.
So, sorry to be such a pain, but if everyone could change their posts that would be cool. Also, I would like to ask that delfedd's pillar and the life god's island be retconned to a more visible location, since hiding these awesome landmarks inside of the planet is just stupid.
But wouldn't it be easier to have the artifact be manually activated (with a time limit for activating, of course) and have it make a single Mold action cost 1 more PP per 3 PP spent? It seems like a simpler way of doing penalty artifacts instead of having them block other artifacts, something very niche and unlikely. Of course, you're the one calling all the shots, so I'll accept any decisions.
PS: Finally, am I carrying an activated strain of the misnaming virus? Over the last week, ALL of my nicknames on six sites have been misnamed. It's scary. :p
Basically, Delfedd and I thought that the world was cooler...
Actually, I really liked what you two had done with it and am a little sad that you're undoing it. My job was just to figure out how it was possible, and I do wish it could have been simpler.
But just one thing, is their any way to destroy the artifact of another god? I am extremly irritated at the Bulwark, due to the fact that it stops me from being as creative as I want, because it stops me from creating Clerics.
Or at least deactivate that particular part of it? I don't mind gravity but snuffing out Cleric's powers? That's just wrong according to me.
And by the way just a simple question, where is the Continent itself? Is it in the inside of the world? Or on the outside?
Actually, I really liked what you two had done with it and am a little sad that you're undoing it. My job was just to figure out how it was possible, and I do wish it could have been simpler.
You know what? I think I have a better idea.
When the world was reshaped into a sphere, mine and delfedd's ideas were stomped on, the plans we had made were ruined, and no one ever asked us. The way that the world is after my action, it STILL doesn't work out the way we wanted it too, and now everyone else is ****** off as well. Two wrongs don't make a right.
Here's an idea: how about we undo both of the world-reshaping actions. Just delete the last stupid page of the thread. If anyone has anything unrelated to the reshaping posted that they want to save, they can leave it there.
The world was best as its original, flat self, and if it can be returned to that state I would much prefer it. Sure, it'll be a pain to retcon all those posts, but I maintain that both of the world-changing actions were against the spirit of the game.
But yes, every action has an opposite action to undo it. Nourish/Denourish, mold/demold, etc. Same goes for artifacts.
There are two exceptions. There are no deimprison or deacsend god actions.
Edit: Also, it's an interesting idea to have Halflings be the first Humanoid race. Some nice possibilities for the origins of other races there. Hmm...I wonder...
You know what? I think I have a better idea.
When the world was reshaped into a sphere, mine and delfedd's ideas were stomped on, the plans we had made were ruined, and no one ever asked us. The way that the world is after my action, it STILL doesn't work out the way we wanted it too, and now everyone else is ****** off as well. Two wrongs don't make a right.
Here's an idea: how about we undo both of the world-reshaping actions. Just delete the last stupid page of the thread. If anyone has anything unrelated to the reshaping posted that they want to save, they can leave it there.
The world was best as its original, flat self, and if it can be returned to that state I would much prefer it. Sure, it'll be a pain to retcon all those posts, but I maintain that both of the world-changing actions were against the spirit of the game.
I agree.
The reason to why I was a part of both changes was because I simply disliked the whole ideas with a flat world. I want an earth-like planet, not a donut planet or a planet severed on the middle.
So I think it would be nice to return to the good old times B.T.R ( Before the Roundening )
Chartross is the only one of my parents who even took notice of me for more than five seconds following my birth. Can you blame me for going along with his ideas?
Its not like any of my other parents have given me ideas of their own. If you had, Tahn would have been just as eager to assist you as well.
When you came into being I was sleeping and unable to post for hours, and I have no effect on you going about on your way without my involvement...
no time was given for a response.
same thing happened to Wyld. He was a part of the creating you aspect but he was not on and so he was basically pushed out of any involvement in making a sun god.
I have no problem with that, i just want it explained in the fluff because the fluff is what we are making. A nice fluffy campaign world.
About my suggestion, I mentioned two uses because I thought that base artifacts allowed two uses too. If they only allow one, then one point of penalty once per turn is perfect.
But wouldn't it be easier to have the artifact be manually activated (with a time limit for activating, of course) and have it make a single Mold action cost 1 more PP per 3 PP spent? It seems like a simpler way of doing penalty artifacts instead of having them block other artifacts, something very niche and unlikely. Of course, you're the one calling all the shots, so I'll accept any decisions.
PS: Finally, am I carrying an activated strain of the misnaming virus? Over the last week, ALL of my nicknames on six sites have been misnamed. It's scary. :p
I think this is fair. I can focus it on varied Gods when I feel the balance is being tipped one way or another?
It doesn't have a "hat" yet because we've not had much time for that. We've had five-ish turns so far, and at this point people aren't interested in mountains and such.
Also, you seem to have forgotten the FLYING ISLANDS.
About remaking the world I think Shadows hollow world was justified he got the backing of a good majority of the gods and got power from them as well.
It works out, even if some dont like it.
Sounds cool briefly, and maybe we'll have a bit of that in the canon history, but the fact that you put things like say... the source of light for the world INSIDE the planet? And that you made the interesting things (the aether islands) trapped inside of a giant bubble? And the fact that nobody else could have a say in it because shadow made it a big secret (despite the "no secrets" rule, and i assume that the gods had to communicate the idea somehow) was frankly BS.
Also, simple majority rules has lead to some egregious human rights violations in the past. Slow and steady gets my vote.
I dont forsee (and I hope) the hollow world was the last of the huge sweeping one person changes we will see.
In fact the reason I was trying to make my artifact was to insure just such a thing, but apparehently being God of Balance means jack diddly. I cant balance a damn thing
I found the floating isles and the other elements of the first world something different for a change.
I wouldn't mind resetting both world reformats
Shadow could have done a bunch of OOC posts, putting the idea forward. In the end he got a pretty good chunk of support, I'd say enough to warrant the change. How many active gods were there at the time? 13 or so? Which means he got "permission" from just under half, and a fair chunk of PP (roughly enough to be "able" to do it AFAIK).
I myself don't care how the world looks, it makes little diffeence in my role as a Life god. I'm not a geography god (yet...) or a god of civilization (yet...). I'm just supposed to make stuff that eats other stuff. And kill undead stuff.
As for Shadow's construction of the world...
He put a sun on the inside. We would need a sun on the outside. Hell he managed to make the Piullar into the rough approximation of the sun (and it made it past fairly unquestioned). Now theoretically an orbitting sun of the planet could light the inside, assuming the polar openings are of a fairly large size. But that's speculation on my part.
On the other hand... I don't see a major reason to split the world in two. Admittedly I haven't gone through the IC yet. However a hollow world can get its hat if people think about it.
A flat world actually has much less... understandable... natural forces. For instance... On a flat world are both sides habitable? If the light source is in the center how does day and night work?
Both ways can work. I personally find a round world easier to work with. But hey... I wasn't one of the original creators. I'm just a player, going about trying to do what I plan.
Anyway... Have we decided a course of action for certain yet?
However, I also find in the end it is justified. Shadow got a quarum (sp?) of Gods to give there power over and none of them questioned him on exactly what he was going to do, and so there can be no fault in the god of secrets going all keeper of secrets on his plans.
If you give a dude that much PP he is gonna use it and its not gonna be to make a garden in your back yard and populate it with lawn gnomes....
I mean... LAWN GNOMES!!
How much more awesome can you get when the game is about gods?
I can already tell that I will not enjoy the new direction the game has taken on. Cya guys around.
Its hard to govern and play a game of this creative nature and you cant take it personally cause it didnt go your way.
Heck thats the point, its never gonna go any of our ways, and you have to roll with it
thats the fun!
And the fact that no other players got input. Why shouldn't the people who didn't make hollow earth just leave? their opinions don't matter, people can simply reshape the world at their whim, right? We could leave and it wouldn't matter. Then You'll come up with a campaign where everyone agrees and does the thing that the lead player wants. Right?
Heck, just make a campaign setting the normal way. No reason to even play lords of creation, right?
just because an admin did it makes it a double standard? i dont see how you can say that?
what he did made sense. He didnt remove anything anyone did, he just added a ton to it and shaped those new things. ((which i dont agree with either btw, it could have been handled better, but what is done is done and I personally like the hollowed earth model now that i read up on it))
You tried to destroy what he made and remake it, how is that a double standard?
He didnt destroy your pillar, he didnt destroy my island, or the continent or anything anyone made (except inadvertantly killing my animals but we worked through that)
and thought didnt even say you couldnt do it just you didnt have to PP for it!
and that he liked your idea.
heck I didnt mind your idea, I just didnt like they changed it and then in like 10 posts you guys tried to change it again, didnt give it any sort of chance or time for people to do anything. Thats the only frustrating thing to me.
Heck give my God a good reason to help you and ill give you the missing PP, I have 3 left for the turn!
If he doesn't, and delfedd and I take back our action, and the world stays round, that would also be cool.
If both of the world changes are retconned, that would be cool as well.
Whatever makes people happy.
Did we split the world into two planes line so; ( -- ) but vertical top and bottom, or did we make parallel dimensions of the hollow earth?
I do know we made two dimensions one aether and all shadowy, and one natural. I really, really like this idea.
I'm disappointed in what I've found here.
It's a coop game. Obviously there are multiple people who can't see beyond themselves, this IS the internet, after all. Sometimes they get help getting what they want. Sometimes they don't.
As long as all the PP adds up? I honestly don't care. A setting with conflict is better than a bunch of turtles. If you want to rip the world back and forth until you die of old age? Super. If not? Super. Want to find a compromise? That's even more awesome.
All I've seen in about 7 pages of catch up between the OOC and the IC thread is a bunch of "But it's not my idea!" from everyone. Disappointing.
Everyone get off your soap boxes, work it out like adults, or get out of the sandbox and don't come back until you wear big boy pants.
It's that simple.
Personally, I can't find a reason to veto Shadow's actions other than my own personal dislike of the changes. Personal dislike is not enough for me, as an admin, to tell someone they can't do that.
The fact that a good number of players seem to like the previous world also isn't enough of a reason for me, as an admin, to tell someone they can't do something. The rules are there to try to make the game fair; as an admin, I have to try to remove my own feelings from my decisions, as well as the feelings of others, and adhere to the rules. If there is a problem resulting from a lack of the rules, or how the rules are applied, please let us know and we will try to amend them. And we will try to publically post changes to the rules around a reset, and we will try not to hold individual's previous actions accountable to new rules or rule changes (not always possible, admittedly, but we try).
If Shadow wants to, I am quite happy for him to undo the changes to the world. However, I have no reason to force him to change it; he paid the PP. If people think he needed to pay more PP, please let us know and state your reasons. If people think he used actions in a manner now allowed by the rules, please, let us know and state your reasons
It's not that it didn't go our way, it's that it's a double standard.
If you see a specific instance where a double standard has been applied, please, do let me know.
The fundamental difference between Shadow's reshaping of the world and SD's reshaping was "pp spent". Space Dragon, Delfedd, your reordering of the world would have worked if you had spent enough PP. That was the issue. It took 24ish pp to make the world as Shadow envissioned it and, going with your stated actions, it would have taken 6pp(to change the land) +4pp (for the dimensions) for you to change it again. It looks to me like if there is a double standard, it is in your favor. But I don't think there is a double standard either. I am quite willing to be wrong, but please, explain where you see it.
Also, please note, you were the ones who gave up on the idea, I was just trying to figure out how it is possible under the rules. You were not forced to give it up, you were only asked to pay enough PP.
If Shadow wants to change his post, he can, but I need a valid reason, under the established rules, to try to force the issue.
I especially did not like the admin being able to bend the rules for flavor and 'roleplaying' to develop his own view of the world without talking it over with others.
Locke, if you are still around, please do let me know how we, as the admins, have been bending the rules. For example, have we used our knowledge as admins unfairly to advance our gods or retcon previous actions in our favor?
Also, since it was brought up, the no-secret rule refers to events that occur in game. It is perfectly valid to discuss potential collaberations out of game, work out details, etc. What is not valid is claiming that your god creating things that were never posted to the IC thread (and no, PMing an admin with this action doesn't count; anything that happens in game must be posted to the IC thread).
EDIT: Side note, I talked with the other admins and we all agreed that moving free floating land costs the same as making it.
One question I have though is about Thought's Storehouse of Light. Where is it now? Did if move with the pillar, or remain in place?
Assuming I understand what's happened, I've done yet another map up.
Now my head hurts.
And again, I'm not sure of the details, but the storehouse absorbs light, so you'd get about half the world in twilight or darkness (well, a little less since it also has a spotlight function).
Forgot about the storehouse, I usually just work with natural laws and sometimes Artifacts and such escape me...
Well now my head doesn't hurt quite as much.
I HATE THE NEW WIKI EDITOR
I hate it with a pssion... For some reson it proves incapable of posting a 'new page' when I've done the editing with the code instead of that annoying mess.
Edit: Appatrently it doesn't add categories the first time either...
(Originally 'perma foo')
Also... I've added Life fluff to the domains and given Xirinet some fluff. Riot will be next, once I calm down after losing my description of it.
Hmmm... I also need to do my creatures, maybe I'll get ine done tonite, I don't feel like filing out paperwork for school so that sounds like something to do.
If anyone dislikes lifes version of events chime in. I want to make sure I'm hitting the right nerves.
brown - bulwark/earth?
light blue - aegis?
red - what?
dark red - what?
Edit: I think
what are the colors?
brown - bulwark/earth?
light blue - aegis?
red - what?
dark red - what?
The brown would be dirt, stone, gems, metak and such. Light blue would be air, and red would be the Bulwark. The dark red is an optical illusion.
Edit
Also, Angel, your last post is not valid. You've already spent 3 PP this turn and only have 1 remaining. I'll assume you add the iron deposits, and the other two actions are invalid, unless you decide otherwise.
We made the bottom half aether north half normal?
what did we spend 10pp on?
Another rules clarification, please. If someone creates an exarch or an artifact that generates pp for Nourish actions, can he or she also use it for Denourish actions?
Yes.
Also, note that Refresh should be up in about an hour.
Pillar should be lower, but I won't quibble.
The brown would be dirt, stone, gems, metak and such. Light blue would be air, and red would be the Bulwark. The dark red is an optical illusion.
I didn't show the part you guys took at all, as this is a map of the prime.
Turn 6 begins now.
PP Refresh
5 - Eijra
4 - Veros, Neko, Xa'an, Yoglith, Chactross, The Void, Oravolos, Oreb Nahash, Unknown, Shurka, Vymrl, Nocturne, Xirinet, Ythrexle, Frellisk, Thans
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We have elected to give Eijra a bonus PP this turn. The reasoning behind this should be within the feedback, when we get it posted.
I have my Halflings now after all. It will be a strange world though, where Halflings were created by the Goddess of the Fey and the Eldarin is created by the god of the Sun.
FF6, I'd be happy to make this a joint project. I'll post IC now and put Tahns in an approachable position.
The different colors were explained in a post just a little up.
The brown would be dirt, stone, gems, metak and such. Light blue would be air, and red would be the Bulwark. The dark red is an optical illusion.
I didn't show the part you guys took at all, as this is a map of the prime.
This is incorrect.
Delfed chime in if I describe this wrong but this is what we did.
We didnt break the world in part we changed where the aegis incompasses. It now only extends down to the equator. cutting in half the world so the north is in the air, south is in the aether.
The aether half is also in its own plane such as shadowfel. It is now the home of aether creatures, aether trees, darkness, dream realm and the like.
The north is all happy trees and frollicking halflings.
You never modified the Aegis in any way that I saw, nor did you change or move the bulwark. No PP was spent on such an action.
And viking Vyrmosk!
arent the viking giants on the glacier floating in the middle?
i know there on the air side as well though.
Sortof like in early england.
You moved the half into another plane and removed all air from it. Being in another plane means it's not their in the prime anymore.
You never modified the Aegis in any way that I saw, nor did you change or move the bulwark. No PP was spent on such an action.
we spent 10 PP and last I checked to make a parallel plane is only 4 PP...
what I gave my 2PP for is what I just described. I even put it in my characters text about reshaping the aether and forming the plane around the south half.
In all actuality all we really did was move the aegis so it wasnt around the south end of the world so it was in the aether. Thats what I paid for...
They moved asll the earth, stone, and metal from one half of the world into another plane. It is no longer there in the prime world, because it's on another plane, without the Bulwark or the Aegis.
I'm working from what Delfedd told me. If I'm misunderstanding, sorry.
They moved asll the earth, stone, and metal from one half of the world into another plane. It is no longer there in the prime world, because it's on another plane, without the Bulwark of the Aegis.
Thats not what agreed to with Delfedd when I gave him my two PP.
which is fine I dont mind being tricked in character.
my new question then is how many PP to do what I really wanted and remold the aegis so it only extends from the north pole to the equator?
If you were thinking of a moderate populace, broken into the lesser subraces later, I think we should call them something different, to help differentiate them.
If I'm wrong, though, I would certainly be happy to spend less PP.
I talked it over with Sinasilver, and we're going to have to pay 4 PP to do Eladrin.
That's fairly annoying.
You realize come MMII there's gonna be even more forms. So most PC races will likely be Epic.
Actually the ones that won't be epic will probably be the monstrous races.
Also, Sina, please don't do that. It isn't neccesary.
Plus Yoglith is now locked apart from the rest of the world anyway, and there's no sense in populating my demi-plane with stuff.
It was a 3pp Artifact, so you can rest assured it can't possibly cost more than that. You can probably bet money it won't cost more than 2. It's a fluffy action by nature, after all.
According to Shadows clarification a chunk of the lower planet was taken to another plane, the lower half isnt in a another plane.
Hence why he was spending PP to rebuild the earth on the lower half around the bulwark.
My biggest reason I want to cut the aegis in half is I am still miffed he killed my stirges and my aether trees on the planet and I want to give them a place to live, as well as my dryad's I just made. So does my God he is after balance and two equal halves is win win in his book!
I also thinks it would b cool to have to diffrent halves to the same planet.
As it is they're just restricted to the Islands. Nothing says you can't make a continent in the Aether with a supply of Air.
If ff6 and I overspent on them, I'd like to turn some of those PP into Nourish.
The other races just haven't had any Epic tier love. But I assure you... They will. They will and we'll all be grumbling over it.
Officially they are Epic. As are Humans and Dragonborn for those who are interested.
The other races just haven't had any Epic tier love. But I assure you... They will. They will and we'll all be grumbling over it.
I'm sorry, but that's just stupid.
Any race can have epic level heroes and extraordinary individuals. Following your logic, EVERY intelligent race is epic. The average human is heroic tier, but the crazy orcus cultists (who are a very small fraction of the human population) are statted as epic. The average eladrin is high heroic to low paragon. Eladrin may have occasional coures or ghaels who are epic (and not even high epic; level 23 was the top, I believe) but the vast majority of them (fey knights, twilight incanters) are level 8 or so. In no way are they a match for storm giants or sorrowsworn.
I think we need to discuss this.
The other Admins may be of a different mind. But I assume they worked this out beforehand to some degree.
And humans get epic-level "mook" characters (namesless cult-leader of Orcus if you'e interested) and Dragonborn get "champions" which I assume are just nameless war-leaders or adventurers.
Even the Epic level eladrin are just nameless warrior castes.
Edit: Not saying I don't agree that it's... distasteful.
To make things not completely stupid, think about what level you want them to fight at in general. Every full grown frost giant fights as a paragon enemy. However, most eladrin are going to be
Maybe once people create heroes for a race they can pay a +1 pp earmark at each tier? for example, when the first eladrin gains a paragon path, the creator should pay a +1 PP, and then the eladrin can count as a paragon race for the purpose of fighting.
Eladrin's highest is 21, so that could make them an epic level creature.
Presumably, humans are considered "Epic" because a human can reach that level, right? Sorry, no, that's an outlier.
The intent of creature levels is that the majority of a race is one tier; and as such one only pays for the average. The average is how they are defined in the MM, not at the gaming table.
It is not forbidden that, on occasions, a few might be higher level or lower level. Humans that reach epic tier tend to be legendary figures; in other words, they are hardly a common example of the race.
As such, one could certainly give the argument, based on averages, that Eladrin are paragon tier (2 heroic tier, 1 paragon, and 1 epic examples). We generally have taken the stance that one pays for the greatest level and gets the lesser levels for free, but we are certainly open to reasonable arguments to the contrary.
The averga level of a race would dictate its tier.
Hence why I made my dryads paragon because I want them to be a bit more resilent and naturally tougher than a human who i feel are on average heroic tier.
the elders of my dryad race will end up epic tier, but they are not the average the average will be paragon tier.
Space dragon: How can you spend 1 pp to guide the eladrin race to worship two gods? isnt that 2PP?
Since everything is supposed to be paid for you could simply pay for the initial race, all of the playable races should most likely be in the same PP category. Then the epic path can be paid for by teaching the classes to the races. First the basics then the paragon and finally the epic destinies. Just some food for thought.
I personally appreciate the level of "bureaucracy." Having played in three games where things were much looser, I personally very much appreciate the level of legislation. First of all, because I know that any loophole can and probably will be exploited likely by you or me. And for all my complaining, I honestly do want to see this setting succeede. The fact that I have policy differences with some doesn't mean I don't wish them the best of it.
Also, I think we're tackling THIS setting the wrong way. Doing it just like we did the other LoC's probably won't work. I think we ought to do it inside-out. I'll post up what I mean later.
In a 2003 Making Of... feature in Edge, Gabe Newell discusses the team's early difficulties with level design, citing lack of ideas. In desperation, a single level was assembled including every weapon, enemy, scripted event and level design quirk that the designers had come up with so far. This single level inspired the studio to press on with the game. As a result, the studio completely reworked the game's artificial intelligence and levels in the year leading up to its release, deciding to utilize scripted events near-constantly.
So, why is this relevant to the game? Notice the single level bit. What I propose is that, for a while, we disregard the cosmic scale we usually deal with, and focus on creating a large, no, GIGANTIC dungeon that players could go through, as a team effort. We should start with delves (a stringed group of three encounters), then create whole "levels" (that is, a series of plot-related encounters that give enough XP to gain a level), then, a campaign idea, introducing stuff that we'll later incorporate through godly actions, such as an Exarch big bad, or an artifact, or a new race, or whatever. This way, we'll have many interesting things to work with, AND some really good DM material in the form of a Superdungeon not unlike The Temple Of Elemental Evil. What do you think about it?
Take a look:
Deathpriest Hierophant Level 21 Elite Controller
Medium natural humanoid, human XP 6,400
Emphasis added. That can't be anything other than a race designation.
I was picking apart the book.
And in the same vein... Ghaele are listed as "eladrin" on their properties line. So they are particularly skilled (and ancient) Eladrin according to the MM.
If you wanna rule that Humans don;t actually have Deathpriests of Orcus, I'm fine with that.
I propose a base rate for critters with a PP kicker to get them up to Paragon tier to represent the creatures increased complexity.
Locke's on the ball here: Humies are paragon through their heroic classes only. Tarrasques are Paragon plus because they are "evolutionary superior at birth". I propose PC races are heroic tier at best, but have the most potential out of any other critter because they can develop Classes. Although A Tarrasque fighter would be legit...
If you wanna rule that Humans don;t actually have Deathpriests of Orcus, I'm fine with that.
Well, they don't, if for no other reason than the distinct lack of Orcus.
But that probably isn't what you meant; you are looking for Deathpriests of Xirinet, or some such, right? That is still quite possible if humans are a lesser race. But these deathpriests will merely be select individuals, elite guards as it were. Specially trained, the cream of the crop, one in a million, and other cliche sayings used to designate rarity. They are perfectly possible; but you aren't being charged for the outlier; rather, just the average.
A major element of brining in different levels of action wasn't to force players to pay more; rather, it was to allow individuals to pay less. Last LoC humans cost 3pp (well, matt made them a 6pp race, but that was his perogative), we're asking for it 2pp, just to provide one example.
Would it be easier for everyone if we got rid of that flexibility? It honestly wasn't meant to cause issues; we were hoping to save players PP but not at the cost of so much confusion. But if it is a hinderance to having fun, then it should go.
1. We shouldn't be basing all our decisions on the MM. These are our creations, and we don't have to make them the same as what appears in the MM.
2. The PP required to make a race should be based off of how powerful the average is of that race. Any person of a race can become epic regardless of what appears in the MM. If the weakest are much stronger than the weakest of another race, then there should be a PP difference.
3. Just spend 4 PP and make them some pretty damn powerful Eladrin.
The only epic eladrin I've seen stats for (the ghaele of winter) is a noble. There will maybe be one of these guys for every thousand eladrin, at the most. These guys rule entire principalities of (mostly heroic-tier) eladrin normals. Some of you seem to think that epic level eladrins are common. They're not. I wouldn't imagine there ever being more than three or four ghaeles in existence at any given time. And even then, they're only level 21. That's just BARELY epic.
I think a race whose foot soldiers are upper heroic (fey knight is level 7, twilight incanter is level 8) and whose most powerful hero-kings are low epic (the aforementioned ghaele) should be considered a paragon race. If you still think this is problematic, we can just say that they don't have any ghaeles of winter yet (makes sense, actually, since there's no winter). Talking generally, the eladrin are paragon, just as humans are generally heroic.
Finally, there's the fact that I don't WANT eladrin to be that powerful. When I invited ff6 to make them with me, I didn't plan to create a race of godly beasts. I planned to make some mid-level elfy guys.
/Sarcasm.
You didn't get what I mean AT ALL, did you? What do you think a setting is comprised of, only planets and countries? HELL NO. It's comprised of hamlets, people, and dungeons, too. Check the Forgotten Realms Campaign Guide if you don't believe me. Right now, on a cosmic scale, the setting is a Mind Screw epic enough to rival The Big O or Neon Genesis Evangelion. To give it a breath of fresh air, I suggest we focus on the micro scale, instead of the macro scale. If you can't get why the concept makes sense, considering the official approach to settings, I'd suggest you take some time to review the official works and see if they focus on the planets and planes or on the people and dungeons.
I actually don't care what anything costs.
You could just base cost on what an Adult in the race is... So for "Human" races they would be Heroic. Most "beast" races would be Paragon. IIRC Dragons would rpobably fall under paragon as well using that method (makes sense based on age I suppose).
As for getting caught up in the minutiae... You can't get a working game without waorking rules.
Dragons are Epic because they have Epic representatives.
When you make a heroic race, and then teach it a class, you've paid the same amount of PP to get them epic possibilities as did the guy who made an epic race. It levels out. The guy with the already epic race opting to teach it classes pays more. Because his creatures are already epic.
It's not nearly as ridiculous as everyone is making it out to be. And if you were going to claim it was problematic you should have done so BEFORE the action was taken in the game. As established previously PP does not get refunded for mistakes etc. I'm sure Camu can attest. You get 8pp a week. It's not like you can't afford to have to pay full price for things.
By the "average" of things people are quoting, many dragons would only be paragon. We all know that's not true.
Would it be easier for everyone if we got rid of that flexibility? It honestly wasn't meant to cause issues; we were hoping to save players PP but not at the cost of so much confusion. But if it is a hinderance to having fun, then it should go.
Seconded. If people are going to try and use what was designed to make their already increased PP stretch forward as a whining point, we'll simply get rid of it.
When will the feedback be up? Or is that an aborted project?
By the way!
When will the feedback be up? Or is that an aborted project?
I don't think it was aborted, but all of the bickering in the OOC unfortunately distracts from it.
Your received your PP bonus because it was felt you do a great job roleplaying your character within the world. As opposed to merely standing with it behind you and performing a pantamime of an all powerful entity.
Camu also was viewed as doing a great job with what they're doing, but so far has been unfortunately self-contained, and isolated.
The world is growing. It's full of strife, but it's growing.
That's all I know of the others opinions. I'm unfortunately too far behind in the IC to make my own still.
The AVERAGE of a race, hence when its a grown adult, is its tier and thats what you pay for.
there can be exceptions to that rule but they are like thougt stated 1 in a thousand or a million.
Just like adventurers they arent the norm...they are the exception....
whats so wrong with that?
You teach people to be Death priests... You can't teach an eladrin to be a Ghaelie. But it's no longer an issue.
When you total 8 people who don't think it's working the way it is, we'll remove the variety options. That is the current suitable majority.
This is a collabrative game and no one I see has an issue with an average race distinction INCLUDING the other two admins.
It will keep the game from being "epic" as you stated since your paying for the average not the uber.
I am not being a dictator. Thought initially made the suggestion, I made it again. Would you like to count administrators again? We already have two votes for it in wait for when you reach the majority.
That said, I'm the only one here not biased by their wish to do things on the cheap. And if you would like to take this to a personal level, we may do so in PMs. Your average suggestion makes Dragons Paragon. Which shadow says no. That makes 3 admins saying you're wrong.
Had you explicitly stated the exclusion of the Ghaelie at the time of creation, you could have done them for a lower cost and had the Ghaelie serve as seperate entitites. But, as stated to others before we have a strict no refunds policy, and posts have elasped since, so it's too late to change it now.
This will not work on creatures divided by age categories.
I fail to see one.
I do see you trying to call me stupid with your capitilized inflection on what i am incapable of grasping.
All I ask for is civility when any other human being speaks to me or others around me. Be it on the internet or not.
I will not put up with your attitude. If you dont apologize for calling me stupid I will be forced to quit the game.
That said, I'm the only one here not biased by their wish to do things on the cheap.
Actually, I was spending the same amount of PP even before I found out the eladrin would cost that much; I thought it was going to be 2 from me and 1 from ff6, rather than 2 from each. The only reason I made an issue of this is because I could see it becoming a point of contention further down the line.
Just saying.
The Orius
Then apparently there was a misunderstanding present, however you appeared to be questioning our capacity as admins to come to an agreement best for the game given time. More over, the statement you were questioning was a response to one specifically noting that made dragons Paragon as well. Which also does not match up with your response and appeared as though you implied stupidity.
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You appeared uppity, and not just on this occasion, to more admins than just myself. That colours how one reads what you say. And I'm of the persuasion that one receives what they give. So while I don't begrudge you your rudeness, I do not feel mine unwarranted. Civility is relative, and often to ones prior actions, after all.
However, I've no intentions of apologizing under these conditions. If you are the variety of person to quit over such matters, you're quite likely not the kind of person the game needs to have.
Had you not made the threat to quit otherwise, I would have. If you would like to retract said ultimatum, I could still be persuaded, thought it's likely more effort than you wish for us to reconcile at this point. But otherwise, I bid you fare well in all future endeavors.
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On a side note, Orius, from the information gleaned from previous posts of thought's, and the conversation I had with FF6 concerning the matter, it would cost you 2pp to alter the Aegis(or was is the bulwark? Anyway, the number is per artifact in this case) should you chose to remain and do so. While aware this is what you thought you contributed to before, it was seemingly not the goal of those you contributed too, but your amounts were correct for both situations.
I'm inclined to agree with you Orius. Did I miss other Admins weighing in?
my tone from the previous tone?
I fail to see one.
I do see you trying to call me stupid with your capitilized inflection on what i am incapable of grasping.
All I ask for is civility when any other human being speaks to me or others around me. Be it on the internet or not.
I will not put up with your attitude. If you dont apologize for calling me stupid I will be forced to quit the game.
Then apparently there was a misunderstanding present, however you appeared to be questioning our capacity as admins to come to an agreement best for the game given time. More over, the statement you were questioning was a response to one specifically noting that made dragons Paragon as well. Which also does not match up with your response and appeared as though you implied stupidity.
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You appeared uppity, and not just on this occasion, to more admins than just myself. That colours how one reads what you say. And I'm of the persuasion that one receives what they give. So while I don't begrudge you your rudeness, I do not feel mine unwarranted. Civility is relative, and often to ones prior actions, after all.
However, I've no intentions of apologizing under these conditions. If you are the variety of person to quit over such matters, you're quite likely not the kind of person the game needs to have.
Had you not made the threat to quit otherwise, I would have. If you would like to retract said ultimatum, I could still be persuaded, thought it's likely more effort than you wish for us to reconcile at this point. But otherwise, I bid you fare well in all future endeavors.
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On a side note, Orius, from the information gleaned from previous posts of thought's, and the conversation I had with FF6 concerning the matter, it would cost you 2pp to alter the Aegis(or was is the bulwark? Anyway, the number is per artifact in this case) should you chose to remain and do so. While aware this is what you thought you contributed to before, it was seemingly not the goal of those you contributed too, but your amounts were correct for both situations.
Space dragon: How can you spend 1 pp to guide the eladrin race to worship two gods? isnt that 2PP?
I'm inclined to agree with you Orius. Did I miss other Admins weighing in?
I know my fungi live on the outside at the moment, but where are the others located, like the giants and halflings etc...
Halflings, I think, are on the inside as well (since the Pillar of Fire is on the inside, and they have sunlight illuminating their plants).
I found it a bit confussing where everything went
Also, Thought, I don't think you need the Nourish to pust Aether around your asteroids, unless you intend it to be more concentrated there. Aether is everywhere except within the Azure Aegis, so there is plenty of Aether around the planet.
Once we get the world itself better outlined I will even do a drawn map of the world with break outs of the continents and other important areas, such as around the pillar, and things in the aether.
anyways, here is what I have so far, up to date as of 3/15/09
The continent witht he mold is on the outside.
The plane of the dreaming is outside the south pole hole.
Everything else is on the inside.
- Inside we have the pillar in the center extending north to south. It illuminates one half the continent at a time leaving the other in darkness, kind of like a big giant light house.
OUTER NORTHERN HEMISPHERE
Fungal Continent Needs a name!
Populated by dead aether trees, skelks, and completely taken over by fungal molds and spores.
INNER NORTHERN HEMISPHERE needs a name!
- The glacier with the titans is in the air side circling the pillar. It is the size of a small continent and has seas and rivers that have seals in them.
The continent Needs a name!
The only continet on the inside that I know of. It has the halflings on it, tons of trees and rivers, surrounded by an ocean. It also has a mesa and a large mountain range
The eladrin are going to populate the mountain range
(how many continents are there? can we get names for them so this is easier?)
INNER SOUTHERN HEMISPHERE Needs a name!
Will be covered in aether soon, and is seperated from the northern hemishpere by the azure aegis.
Oravalos Island Needs a better name!
- Populated by aether trees, aether stirges, dryad pods, and now the ae-silvani
Shirka's Island Needs a better name!
- no known inhabitants
THE AETHER SEA
It is populated by floating forests of aether-like trees, aether stirges, small aether animals, aether spores, wisps, fungal spores, pyre bugs, and aether rays.
THINGS I DONT KNOW WHERE THE RESIDE
The Fire archons (all ten of them)
The fire elementals
All these 'organ' artifacts both exist on both my deities forms, its true form and the giant fungal creature.
There true location is inside my deities true form, but they also appear on the giant fungus, as that creature is an extention of my deity.
That creature is only active when my god takes control over it inside.
(it might become an exarch later on)
Unless I misunderstood what Delfedd told me, the Flame Pillar is on the outside now.
So what's providing light for all those things that require it that are still on the inside?
I thought everything was on the outside, now?
I assume you placed the eladrin on the outside then?
The latter are scattered, mostly floating helpless in the aether (as I realized too late that I didn't give them a means of moving around in it), but a few have had the good luck to run into the ground. As I think they are pure aetheric creatures for now (need to check my notes), those would be limited to the aether land of the sphere.
Also, Thought, I don't think you need the Nourish to pust Aether around your asteroids, unless you intend it to be more concentrated there. Aether is everywhere except within the Azure Aegis, so there is plenty of Aether around the planet.
Actually, this was specifically outside the "created" universe, aether included. It seemed to me to be kind of unfair for a single nourish to create unlimited amounts of aether (one couldn't use a nourish for water that way, right?). As such, aether must have an end and this was basically to push back that boundary. Think of it sort of like the first nourish of aether created enough to fill in the inner solar system, where as this nourish expanded it to include the outer solar system (and there is still room to expand it into the Oort cloud). This is just an example though, I don't mean for it to be to scale.
EDIT: Also, Reset is in about 7 hours. Use your PP or loose it.
And I was about to note the refresh time as well.
There are also Glow Worms and "Elder Things." The former much more so than the later lives where ever there is life for them to suck on (essentially, they are a cross between fireflies and leeches). Though I only made them for air and aether, so none are under ground or in the water. But they can latch onto plants and animals (but presumably not gods).
I like the glow worms. They remind me of my Pyre Beetles.. If my Pyre beetles were parasites on non-aether things. I have this image of your bugs glowing because they're feeding on my glowing bugs that seems nifty to me.
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5 - Camu
4 - Veros, Neko, Xa'an, Yoglith, Chactross, The Void, Oravolos, Oreb Nahash, Tsarokga-Noggoth, Shurka, Vymrl, Nocturne, Xirinet, Ythrexle, Frellisk, Thans, Eijra
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We have elected to give Cmua a bonus PP this turn.
I thought it was as simple as making an intelligent race and getting them to worship you, how do you begin going about aquiring 9ppa turn?
I am not asking so I can maximize my PP acrual I am just curious.
Of course, this is exaggeration, but I THINK that's the principle under it.
This game will raise PP MUCH slower than older ones on account of the increased number of resets. We're not divulging the formula though in an attempt to keep people from catering too it under any circumstances.
You gain influence. Essentially, the more important you are to the football team, the more you're paid. You'd do best spending on Nourish Populaces and playing quarterback, and gaining as many domains as possible, to enlarge the amount of worship you get. :P
Not quite true. Certainly, having many worshippers and domains help, but any action you take in the world can up your base PP. If a god did nothing but Mold land that would be a boring god, but they'd go in in PP as well. Indeed, it is quite possible for an individual to have 1 domain and no worshippers and still have a higher base PP than someone who is worshipped around the world and have 42 domains.
Essentially, when a DM uses this setting, the more stuff that comes/came from your god, the more powerful your god is. Monsters, mountains, midgets, etc, its all good.
I originally thought it all came down to intelligent races that worship you so I thought I was gonna be boned if all i did was make more animals and plants.
thank you for clearing that up.
The conduits are thousand square feet areas inside of which, magic is easily shaped by anyone. However, one must have the force of personality to take control of the magic away from anyone who is currenlty using it. Because a Conduit can only be weilded by one person at a time. There is no favoritism based on length of time that someone has been the conduits avatar. Conduits also have the ability to power magic items.
To gain control of a Conduit, one must make a standard action Charisma modifier check against anyone who is present and also trying to control the conduit's power. If one being already has control of the conduit, he needs only take minor actions to maintain control of the conduit.
The powers granted by the conduit are as follows. The conduit's controller can shut off all the magic items that the conduit powers, or can make them overperform for an hour before all turning off for a day.
Additionally, each conduit Grants access to a suite of powers. These are in addition to your normal powers.
Power of the Conduit
The conduit's power surges from your veins and out through your fingertips.
At will Primal
Minor Action Ranged 10
Target: Any Creature within range
Effect: Deal 2d6 (Conduit determines damage type) damage.
Special Increase to 3d6 at 11th level
Increase to 5d6 at 21st level
Adrift within Magic
You lose yourself in the conduits power and arrive at another destination.
Encounter, Primal
Move Action Range 20, Burst 3
Effect: You may teleport 20 squares. You are Insubstantial Until the begining of your next turn. Upon your arival, you cause a burst 3 effect with the same damage type as the conduit you control, dealing 5d8.
But Delfedd! I hear you cry. These powers are completely overpowered!
That's kind of the point. Players are not going to be able to carry these powers with them. They are for the bad guy at the end of the dungeon to use, although the players can turn the power against them. I envision these things to be sites that nations fight over to gain power.
Also, the Conduit on the Archipellago is probably Ice based.
Also, The Orius, your Ae-Silvani couldn't have been settling down there, considering you didn't spend PP on it. Even if you had, I specifically called out that I was making sure nothing died when I restored it.
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I also want to remind everyone to please mark your PP expenditures, by keyword, and remember to use the proper keyword. Guide Populace (Greater) not Teach Populace, Create Artifact even when only modifying it, Shape Populace not Create.
It's a matter of clarity, and ease of tracking. It makes it easier for us to catalog all actions, and it also makes it easier to search the thread to see if something has already been made.
Additionally, keep out of character comments in the IC thread to a minimum. *looks at Armisael*. While I enjoy understanding the reasoning behind your post and fluff, I'd rather read it here.
Additionally, keep out of character comments in the IC thread to a minimum. *looks at Armisael*. While I enjoy understanding the reasoning behind your post and fluff, I'd rather read it here.
Sir, yes sir! I'll cut on the OOC comments in the other thread.
They are aether creatures that live in the aether and you took away the aether. Its like if you took the water out and the fish and sharks, and whales did what? just hung out on the floor of the ocean but they were fine? I cant picture hw that works.
I need some clarification in that especially since you stated my aether stirges didnt die they are just in the aether sea, but they never were. They hunted in the aether but lived in the aether trees on the planet...(back when the aether was 200 yards above them.
Yeah, I couldn't think of a good name so I just mangled that one.
I am just a little miffed that when something changes in the world someone instantly...like within five seconds can undo it. I would like to suggest a time frame before someone can "undo" something directly someone else does.
I see this beneficial for a few reasons:
1. It would not immediately invalidate someones PP expenditure and in character developement right away. Namely I have no problem with someone undoing someone elses work, just it would seem prudent to let something develope a little beyond one post.
2. It allows for character conflict to develope.
3. It actually helps give some sembelance to time between resets that is suppose to be 250 years.
Example: I spent the last week planning moving the aegis and bringing my Ar-Silvani to life and I made a huge post (first of 3 too) about brining my Ae-Silvani into the world (granted i didnt use my nourish like i needed to do that) but regardless I spent time developing that story arc, and bringing them into being and sent them to the world. I was also at the time typing up my next big post with my people beginning to name the lands and build up ect..
However, with one short paragraph FF6Shadow swept it all away within like 15 minutes, call me a stickler but that did not sit well with me.
Another example being Shadow making the hollow world and we are all just getting grips on it and delfedd and space dragon try to rip it in half within a few posts. It was so confusing we had to pause the game to sort it out.
Solution: A time frame instituted before you "undo" something someone else does maybe the next reset?, or heck at least a courtesty private message so we can build it into a story arc, instead of just erasure posts which is what they feel like some times.
I dont know if this is something you delt with in previous games, but let me know.
I was recently made aware that each turn is 250 mortal years, and that mortal RP cannot be retconned to just be taking place in a past turn (as it was often done in previous LoC). Is this true? If so, half the fun of the game just evaporated.
If this policy is in place to prevent mortal RP from clogging things up and grinding the game to a halt, I suggest an alternative instead: limit each player to one mortal hero at a time. Doing this will allow us to develop the mortal races on a more personal level, create heroes of legend for the setting, and still keep the game from getting bogged down.
If I misunderstood the turn system and am talking about absolutely nothing, please ignore this post.
Ok then i have a question How can you simply state that you make sure the creatures dont die? thats my major malfunction.
They are aether creatures that live in the aether and you took away the aether. Its like if you took the water out and the fish and sharks, and whales did what? just hung out on the floor of the ocean but they were fine? I cant picture hw that works.
I need some clarification in that especially since you stated my aether stirges didnt die they are just in the aether sea, but they never were. They hunted in the aether but lived in the aether trees on the planet...(back when the aether was 200 yards above them.
Very simple. Since I didn't spend PP to destory them, if they cannot survive in a non-aether environment, then they aren't their anymore. Some possibly died, but with no PP expenditure, it is a non-issue that they survived somehow. It's perfectly valid so say the Azure Aegis came from within the dirt, if necessary, pushing aether based life-forms out away from it, leaving your trees and stirges free floating in the Aether.
It would be just as valid for you to say you grabbed them away from the airless environment. I didn't specify how it happened, but that it did, letting you determine exactly how they survived. Instead, your choosing to simply beleive they didn't, and assume as much.
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Nice plants, Thought.
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Space Dragon, that would be the general idea and yes, each turn is 250 years, down from the 1000 that was considered in the planning stages. And the policy was to deal with general clutter. However, and idea I presented when we were discussing it was that it could be feasible to open third thread, specifically for mortal dealings. This would allow those who don't want to slog through mortal posts to ignore them, while leaving a place for those who do want to.
However, and idea I presented when we were discussing it was that it could be feasible to open third thread, specifically for mortal dealings. This would allow those who don't want to slog through mortal posts to ignore them, while leaving a place for those who do want to.
I second this motion.
This way, the idea was that you'd actually use heros doing epic things, and not mooks looking for ten silver to feed their families. However a third thread for more mortal play would be fine by me I suppose. As long as I don't have to dredge through peoples D&D session to get back to LOC this time around.
Just make sure the important parts get reflected back in the main LOC thread.
Current LOC date, since it seems appropriate: 1750. I've seen people attaching a date. I don't remember it.
It also bemuses me because BOTH of you said mortal play made you quit the last one.
There's just going to be a third thread. We need to stop doing things for Vocal minorities. So far we keep doing things for 2-3 people, when 51+% of the population right now is 8.
Um...sorry to be so much trouble, I guess.
It also bemuses me because BOTH of you said mortal play made you quit the last one.
I think Sinasilver said it best. Mortal RP is fine, as long as there isn't TOO much of it going on at once, and as long as its actually important. There was a period during the first LoC game when mortal RP became burdensome, but eventually people found the golden spot where there was just enough of it to make the game funner without dragging it down.
LoC wouldn't be LoC without mortal heroes. It just needs to be made sure that these heroes are important people, who have an important impact on the world. So far, everyone seems to be significant, because this is causing the spread of agriculture, the creation of trade routes between three races, and possibly foreshadowing a millitary alliance against outside threats (if the fungi or archons start getting nasty, for instance).
Since it came up, I'm going to point out that technologies and classes do not spread on their own. Nobody will learn agriculture just for being in contact with halflings, unless you spend PP on it.
So every player needs to spend PP for everything (metallurgy, agriculture, written language, etc) for every single one of his races? Even those created later on in the game, when these things are already everywhere?
Really?
Somehow, I don't think its going to just be the vocal minority that takes issue with this one. Can you at least spend PP at a discount for trade and cultural diffusion? Like, could a race learn agriculture for 1 PP if they're learning it from a different race?
We've clearly stated the policy all along. There are no discounts. There are no alters. You get what you pay for. It's been there all along. It's even been noted several times since you joined the game for various reasons.
I'll provide an example from this game of WHY that's the policy. A certain individual wanted to learn metallurgy for free by warring with a group of people who currently had it. But he admitted if it went the other way, and someone claimed it from him for free by warring, he would have been very angry. Think about it. Almost everything is that way.
You get what you pay for, or you don't get it.
The only people that tend to have problems, are those that are attached to older LOC ways of doing things.
No one wants their toys played with, but everyone wants to play with everyone else's toys.
No one wants their toys played with, but everyone wants to play with everyone else's toys.
I wouldn't mind another race learning from mine, but I guess I see your point.
Still, things WILL get tedious and slow if everyone has to spend on everything for everyone. I believe some sort of ruleset for cultural diffusion is in order, or it will just get impossible for the world to move along.
We've provided proper channels to get things done, and you and Delf like to opt not to use them. You also seem to like grinding the game to a halt over nothing, because it's not how you would have done it. That last one is half our bad. I'm ending that power vested to you now.
The way I see it, you've four options: Get 7 people to agree with you; accept you're just a vocal minority trying to impose your will on everyone; Quit; Go start your own LOC again.
We're not playing the "Former LOC admin says ... So do it!" game. You've got to prove it's an issue to enough people just like everyone else.
I don't see how complaining about a flaw in the rules constitutes an attempted hijacking of your game. I also don't see why rules discussions in the OOC thread are forbidden, since that's part of what it exists for.
What I can see, however, is that dissenting opinions aren't welcome in this game, and that the admins have some mysterious resentment against old time LoC players. I don't mind the banning of cultural diffusion nearly as much as I do the hostile attitude with which my input has consistently been met.
Clearly I'm not wanted here. Have fun.
2 people out of 14(this does not count admins or waiting lists, for the record) having a differing opinion does not make those 2 people the ones thinking about everyone. It makes your claims of "everyone" a thin facade for "I want." If you won't do the work to prove it's not just "I want", then it really IS just "I want.", and as such irrelevant.
You meet hostility because it has been admitted SOME of the game-halting nonsense was a result of personal dislikes of individuals on the admin team, and you were brought to tag along. you meet hostility because you continually repeat the process. And you meet hostility because you refuse to follow the channels provided everyone.
It was nice knowing you, and anyone who chooses to follow you out.
I have to go to work shortly, but maybe when I return things will have settled enough I can return to the IC world without having to worry someone is going to grind the world to a halt for nothing, fail to get backing for their side, and demand change on grounds the admins are biased by their presence in the world.
(And I agree with Delfedd's idea of slowing down the number of years per turn after awhile. Makes sense to me)
If being wanted here requires the entire basis of this LOC to be overhauled to accommodate you? Then no, no you're not. If it requires us to for some reason grant you special rights not granted the others, then especially not. If it means allowing you to grind the game to a halt because you feel like it, then leave faster.
Asking for a subset of rules pertaining to cultural diffusion is overhauling the entire basis of the game?
Asking for a reconsideration of one small element of the system, on a game-wide scale, is asking for "special rights not granted to the others?"
I admit, I've taken issue with the rules more often than most, and its probably at least partly because of my former LoC experiences. However, that does not make my opinions invalid. In past games, the rules have changed when necessary to accommodate different issues as they are brought up. If criticism of any sort is seen as such a threat to the existence of the game, than I'm afraid this "game" is a little too serious to be worth playing. Its too bad, considering that this ruleset, as outlined on the wiki, is easily the best for LoC that I've ever seen. But if its going to be run like this, then forget it.
Enjoy your seething rage.
Asking for a subset of rules pertaining to cultural diffusion is overhauling the entire basis of the game?
Asking for a reconsideration of one small element of the system, on a game-wide scale, is asking for "special rights not granted to the others?"
I admit, I've taken issue with the rules more often than most, and its probably at least partly because of my former LoC experiences. However, that does not make my opinions invalid. In past games, the rules have changed when necessary to accommodate different issues as they are brought up. If criticism of any sort is seen as such a threat to the existence of the game, than I'm afraid this "game" is a little too serious to be worth playing.
Enjoy your seething rage.
What makes your opinions invalid is your unwillingness to properly garner support for them, while still demanding action. It is also the special right you seem to require, since without being allowed to do so you stop the game on whims.
As for my seething rage, hardly. Descriptive language however, I guess I'll give you points there. I have to go to work now. If you're quitting, do so. If not, don't. But don't pretend you're more special than the other players anymore. I'll let you read my previous post again to see the part about 2 players out of 4.
He, much like I have has just pointed out considerations and possibilities to be looked at by the greater whole...which in my mind is how it should be?
I see alot of value in this game but alot of things that could use some tweaks to make it more balanced, and alot more realistic.
I personally have been struggling with the idea of domains over the last week. I dont see what there point is. I know intrisicly what it should be but al it is right now is pay a ton of PP for some fluff since it gives no real power or things to control over.
Anyways, I am seeing far to many personal issues going on here and its really kiling it for me...
Now, domains, the way I've understood it, is that every time a race commits an action that falls under your domain, you gain power from it. For instance, if your halflings suddenly went on a spree of Conquest, Vymrl would grow more powerful, at least temporarily.
I won't be able to post again to sunday, just giving a heads up.
Shurka
Chactross
Neko
Orvalos
Camu's god
Oreb Nahash
Vymrl
Nocturne
Ythrexle
Eijira
I'm counting 10. Three people is a significant proportion of that. And you should listen when they raise an issue.
I definitely would agree with space dragon with the any criticism to the ruleset being viewed as a threat. When a significant amount of the active players raise a rules concern (three in this case,) it should be not shouted down.
Enjoy your seething rage.
If I might say one thing in Sina's defense (and the admin team's in general); three individuals have been responsible for roughly 95% of the problems with the game. These individuals have been: Delfedd, yourself, and Shadow (not all to the same degree, admittedly).
This isn't to say that any of you have done something inherently wrong. I like all of you, you've all contributed splendidly to the game, and I want all of you to stay in the game (yes, even if you three continue to consume 95% of my time; you’ll have to flagrantly break a rule for me to want to kick you out). Most of your points are quite valid. But as an admin, I'm exhausted dealing with you three. I am so exhausted that the game isn't fun right now. Indeed, I am so exhausted that I dread getting on line because of fear of what problems you three have brought up now.
It is fine to question the rules, it is fine to bring up the issues you see, its fine to take actions in game that might not be popular and cause a crap load more work for us, but please, give us a break sometimes. Occasionally, hold off on a comment, or PM us instead of posting it to the thread (PMing us gives us time to consider our response, confer, and attempt to reach a fair and logical reaction; posting it to the thread first blindsides us). Give us a few days, maybe even a week here and there, where we don't have to try to scramble to fix things. And occasionally (let me stress, this is not directed at you, SD), get over yourself and consider how other people want the game to develop.
Admittedly, the rules are not perfect. The very fact that we had to add a Template Action after the game started is a clear indication of this. Sometimes, what looked good on paper just doesn't work in game.
Admittedly, we admins are not perfect. Sina's ruthlessly blunt, I'm overly passive aggressive and attempt to please everyone at once, and Shadow is... well, Shadow.
However, we’re doing our best and we want to make the game enjoyable for everyone. Please, help us in that goal.
Okay, I lied, I said more than “just one thing.”
I would like to state I am one of those problem players as well, but then again I am new and I have a penchent for always thinking of things from every angle so I understand why.
Heck I keep trying to apply "logic" to a made up game of gods creating there own universe...
Thanks for that, Thought. I got carried away.
I'll keep playing, if I haven't ****** too many people off. What Thought just posted is an enlightening, helpful little blurb that makes me realize how hard things have been for the admins and inspires me to look at my own posts and think about how I could be making things easier instead of harder.
See, if that had been posted earlier, this whole stupid fight wouldn't have happened. Instead, I got Sina accusing me of powergaming and telling me that I should quit.
I do, however, apologize for posting the PP thing on the OOC thread instead of PMing one of you after having been told to. That was stupid and insensitive of me, and I'm sorry. I also didn't intend to halt the progress of the IC posts; I was under the assumption that we could keep playing LoC while discussing the rules OOC. I suppose I should have taken into account people's limited willingness to multitask to that extent; again, I'm sorry.
I still maintain that there should be some sort of allowance for cultural diffusion independently from divine intervention, but its not a big deal. As with the eladrin tier argument, I have plenty of PP to spend on what I wanted to do this turn either way. I was just wondering about further down the line, when the technological level of the world at large will be so much higher, and creating new races and allowing them to prosper will be much harder due to everyone having such a headstart that requires lots of PP to catch up to. Again, this isn't a big deal, and it isn't going to be a problem for several turns yet. Really, I was just trying to help, although I may have done so in a caustic manner.
But, considering recent events, I'll forget about it and let the admins decide what to do when and if this becomes a problem. For now, I just am very fond of the world that's been made, and I want to continue being a part of it.
Reevaluation of what's important
Go read post one's players list. It was my reference. If it's inaccurate, then I was as well. Though you're right. Based on it this moment, there are 15, not 14.
Though, on your previous post: 3 people are only 30% of 10, and a majority would be 51+%. 6 people out of 10, 4 people out of 7, etc. I merely don't view it as significant. Particularly when I'm fully aware ones not spoken to any peers on the matter. That's why the demand of 51% or greater. So that one actually has to discuss it with peers in the game before potentially shifting the game into a mode of play less enjoyable to all for ones sole benefit.
Apoligies, I did not have a chance to finish my post. The actual number of active players is probably less, more like seven tops. So you might need to reevaluate what you consider "important."
I definitely would agree with space dragon with the any criticism to the ruleset being viewed as a threat. When a significant amount of the active players raise a rules concern (three in this case,) it should be not shouted down.
Go read post one's players list. It was my reference. If it's inaccurate, then I was as well. Though you're right. Based on it this moment, there are 15, not 14.
Though, on your previous post: 3 people are only 30% of 10, and a majority would be 51+%. 6 people out of 10, 4 people out of 7, etc. I merely don't view it as significant. Particularly when I'm fully aware ones not spoken to any peers on the matter. That's why the demand of 51% or greater. So that one actually has to discuss it with peers in the game before potentially shifting the game into a mode of play less enjoyable to all for ones sole benefit.
In space dragon's defense I looked back through the entire thread since he showed up and I cant find one instance of him demanding anything.
He, much like I have has just pointed out considerations and possibilities to be looked at by the greater whole...which in my mind is how it should be?
I see alot of value in this game but alot of things that could use some tweaks to make it more balanced, and alot more realistic.
I personally have been struggling with the idea of domains over the last week. I dont see what there point is. I know intrisicly what it should be but al it is right now is pay a ton of PP for some fluff since it gives no real power or things to control over.
Anyways, I am seeing far to many personal issues going on here and its really kiling it for me...
They are largely fluff, but in conjuction with the "Assume it's not there unless someone had made it" rule, they can also be used to bring stuff to the entire world. For instance, depending on how you opt to flavor it, and the situation at hand, the creation of the death domain could GENUINLY introduce death into the world, instead of things living on forever, slowly getting more crippled.
They do affect your PP, ultimately. Though how I will not say.
If Delf lacked the Pain domain... Those giants at war might not know when a spear stabbed them.
It's all fluff. Fluff to define your god rather than the world, but really, in the context of LOC.. Everything is fluff. I mean, a dragon doesn't amount to anything until someone uses this setting in D&D right?
Yoglith might have granted his clerics a channel divinity that slows opponents, one day, to make time more than fluff on him.
I'm resigning. The other two admins will elect a replacement for me when they find someone they believe would be the most beneficial to the game.
I won't be returning to the IC portion of the game on grounds I know too much of it's inner workings, and would feel every action I took was suspect of something akin to "LOC Insider Trading".
I want to stress to anyone who may be concerned: I'm the only one to blame for my not having enjoyed the time here. There is no one else to point fingers at.
It's been a learning experience. I hope you all enjoy the game, and that the conflicts level off soon. Anyone is free to PM me if they feel I left some untied ends, but I think I have everything wrapped up rather neatly. I will finish detailing my contributions to the world on the Wiki as I find the motivation to do so.
In hindsight it's clear to me I bring nothing to this LOC that a good admin should. I lack the patience and tact required for my position, as well as lacking the wherewithal to genuinely act in favor of the whole instead of against individuals. A simple look through the OOC thread will provide one with more than enough evidence of such.
I understand; being an LoC admin takes a lot of time and patience. As memory shows, I didn't feel up to the task myself during the last game.
I'm resigning. The other two admins will elect a replacement for me when they find someone they believe would be the most beneficial to the game.
If you say so. Everyone breaks down and acts inappropriately sometimes (especially on the internet; I've been guilty of such myself), but if you think its too much trouble, then that's okay.
I won't be returning to the IC portion of the game on grounds I know too much of it's inner workings, and would feel every action I took was suspect of something akin to "LOC Insider Trading".
Wait...what?
Dude, the rules are up on the wiki for anyone to read? Is there really that much more to the game that it would totally ruin the balance of power for you to continue playing?
The weight of actions as to it's impact on your PP. We've said before, but before you appeared. There's a formula.
Well, if the admins can play while having that knowledge and not unbalance the game, then why can't a non-admin do the same?
I honestly don't understand why you're bothered by my decision.
On an unrelated note, I recently had an idea for a joint project with some other gods who happen to be so inclined. We can use Gerenzrik and Etti as the catalyst for creating trade routes between dwarves, eladrin, and halflings, as well as the dopplegangers that live among them. This will be an "artifact," functionally, that grants 1 PP each round toward Teach Populace (they can learn any skill that the other two races on the route know). If we put 6 PP into it, it'll work even better.
Good idea?
It feels like it is just a matter of a time until strange beings will fall down from the sky, killing, destroying and burning everything that is not fungus.
Xirinet isn't opposed to protecting the world from fungal invasion.
Oh good. For a while, I was afraid that your god of natural harmony and ecology would welcome the alien scourge.
Anyway, I'll invest 2 PP in the trade route as soon as the next turn begins, as long as at least one other person is interested. This actually ties in nicely with my recent creation of horses.
Also, admins; is the mortal RP thread in the works yet? Not trying to rush you guys or anything, just curious about when it'll start.
Oh good. For a while, I was afraid that your god of natural harmony and ecology would welcome the alien scourge.
Fungus is life too, as are aberrations, and technically immortals. Don't assume Xirinet is bothered by appearance (or anything really...).
What Xirinet IS opposed to is senseless destruction of life... Which is where the fungi offend it.
PP Refresh
4 - Veros, Neko, Xa'an, Chactross, The Void, Oravolos, Oreb Nahash, Tsarokga-Noggoth, Shurka, Vymrl, Nocturne, Xirinet, Ythrexle, Frellisk, Thans, Eijra, Tsarokga-Noggoth
Additionally, the Mortal thread will be up in the next half hour or so. From this point on, please keep any ongoing mortal stories there.
First and foremost, they serve as a conduit through which mortals can learn to tap arcane magic, whether through knowledge (wizards) or an innate connection (sorcerers).
Additionally, it channels life energy from the Ruit gates created by Xirinet. This part of it provies 1 PP for Nourish actions each turn.
Finally, it links the Azure Aegis and Dimension Bulwark together, creating one giant artifact.
Okay then. See ya around.
On an unrelated note, I recently had an idea for a joint project with some other gods who happen to be so inclined. We can use Gerenzrik and Etti as the catalyst for creating trade routes between dwarves, eladrin, and halflings, as well as the dopplegangers that live among them. This will be an "artifact," functionally, that grants 1 PP each round toward Teach Populace (they can learn any skill that the other two races on the route know). If we put 6 PP into it, it'll work even better.
Good idea?
I'd be willing to lend a hand as well.
Other's have spent PP teaching them and nourishing them, but nothing seeking actual worship.
So I suggest you edit and remove that PP, rather than waste it.
Okay, changing it.
Okay then. See ya around.
On an unrelated note, I recently had an idea for a joint project with some other gods who happen to be so inclined. We can use Gerenzrik and Etti as the catalyst for creating trade routes between dwarves, eladrin, and halflings, as well as the dopplegangers that live among them. This will be an "artifact," functionally, that grants 1 PP each round toward Teach Populace (they can learn any skill that the other two races on the route know). If we put 6 PP into it, it'll work even better.
Good idea?
Actually, I love it enough that I wish Xa'an was in a position to be helpful. Artifacts are a splendid way of doing stuff like this.
It feels like it is just a matter of a time until strange beings will fall down from the sky, killing, destroying and burning everything that is not fungus.
Speaking of which... well, other than the "that is not fungus" part.
I wanted to tell you where she was.
I believe if you wanted to run an LOC, you shouldn't have quit your own.
We've provided proper channels to get things done, and you and Delf like to opt not to use them. You also seem to like grinding the game to a halt over nothing, because it's not how you would have done it. That last one is half our bad. I'm ending that power vested to you now.
The way I see it, you've four options: Get 7 people to agree with you; accept you're just a vocal minority trying to impose your will on everyone; Quit; Go start your own LOC again.
We're not playing the "Former LOC admin says ... So do it!" game. You've got to prove it's an issue to enough people just like everyone else.
Everyone here has been having a discussion. The only person I've seen talking about "hijacking the game" is you. You could try to point out the reasons why you didn't do x,y, or z, but instead you instantly get defensive and start saying the equivalent of "It's my game. MY GAME!!!" Perhaps you could actually trying to talk with people to come up with some rules, rather than saying "That's the way it is, deal with it." That's all that anyone, for the most part, has asked you. Yes, I'm sure that people realize that it is not their game, but they are playing, they are bringing up valid points (in a nonconfrentational manner, I might add), and, like it or not, this is a COMMUNITY game, where everyone should have some say.
And, by the way, the "your only a minority" argument doesn't pan out too well. Even though less than half have asked for changes, 2-3 still works out to be a pretty decent percentage in a 16 person game. In addition, that generally assumes that anyone who isn't for it is against it. I, for example, generally liked the ideas. Now, I wasn't on at the time that the argument took place, but I still support the "Heroes RP" and "Cultural Diffusion." That brings the supporters up to 4, which is 25%. Virtually any government, ruling establishment, and the like, would do a lot in its power to appease 25% of its population. As I said, we're not asking that we completely take over you're game, we're asking to have a discussion and exchange of ideas, in a way to help make EVERYONE happy, not just the most vocal minority of the admins. (Plus, speaking of that, another flaw in the minority argument is that the admins are a minority, as well. And, as you have been the only actively opposing said ideas, and assuming that everyone else is neutral, Chactross, Orius, Space Dragon, and I ARE the majority. Four people for it, one oppossed, the rest neutral).
As Haemon said, "A city of one man is not a city." Neither is a game.
Even though less than half have asked for changes, 2-3 still works out to be a pretty decent percentage in a 16 person game.
I think the issues have been worked out for now, but you brought up a philosophical issue that I wanted to make clear.
While we do want to make the game fun for everyone and to have things run smoothly, popular vote doesn't really mean that much. Even if 100% of the players requested a particular course of action, we might have to deny it. This is because, as Administrators, we have to do two things.
1) To protect the minority from the majority.
2) To protect the majority from the minority.
So, it is quite possible to have the majority of players on board for a proposed change and still have us reject it on the grounds that it could be abused (either by the majority against the minority, or visa versa). I'd like to think that those instances would be relatively rare or non-existent, but the potential is there.
Camu, I have some stats for the gray fungi and tsarok-hem, but I won't be able to run them by you until tomorrow, when I get my internet back. Gray fungi range from level 5-8, while tsarok-hem are level 27-30.
Anyway, is anyone going to make those trade routes? If not, I'd like to spend those 2 PP on something else.
Wyld, I just realized something; you created the stars (as gateways to Riot), but you technically don't own the Star domain. Not that it has to be a domain to be owned, but I was amused.
*peruses rules*
Anyway, I'm going to be making use of my PP right about now.
PP Refresh
5 - Veros, Tsarokga-Noggoth
4 - Neko, Xa'an, Chactross, The Void, Oravolos, Oreb Nahash, Shurka, Vymrl, Nocturne, Xirinet, Ythrexle, Frellisk, Thans, Eijra,
Any plans on using that Mortal thread?
But here, have some comments for the players:
The Orius
I am quite pleased with the development of your god. It was a little slow going at first, but Oravalos’ conflicts with Veros have really helped to shape him into a god with a purpose. I particularly like you attention to aether, but then again, I am bias in that regard
I am quite pleased with the development of your god. It was a little slow going at first, but Oravalos’ conflicts with Veros have really helped to shape him into a god with a purpose. I particularly like you attention to aether, but then again, I am bias in that regard
You'll start seeing some clear differences as Xi works toward some more character development.
Ive tried to keep up with what people are making with that wiki and alot of it isnt up to date.
Shadow for instance has made some world chnging artifacts that I dont fully understand and they arent mentioned on his page.
Feel free to ask me questions here or in PM and I'll answer them.
I am working on my computer problem though.
I would have no problem editting it for youif you want?
Once Camu's fungus-spiders descend upon the world, there will probably be a LOT of heroes appearing very quickly. The world will freaking need them.
I would have, but 2 PP wouldn't have levelled off properly, and I definitly wanted to get some classes out. I might enhance them this turn, if something else doesn't come to up, assuming you don't mind.
Novatack
I like what I’ve seen of your god; he’s creative. However, we haven’t seen much from him. More activity would help develop him as a deity and a character.
Where are all of these races, exactly, in relation to each other and the world? Maybe I'm missing the obvious, but right now I can't seem to visualize the world at all.
I'm not sure where they are in geographic relation, but that's not the most important. I meant my slice of the world to be roughly northwest of the Halflings, but where the halflings are and such is beyond me.
I figured the fungus are souther... Or maybe northeastern? Or maybe southwestern?...
OK now I've confused myself.
Please go ahead and add your domains and description, at the least. Thanks.
Wizdude, you have a page now too (but with the same issues as Thans): http://lordsofcreation.wikia.com/wiki/Frellisk
You too, Armisael: http://lordsofcreation.wikia.com/wiki/Cygnus
Depending on if shadow gets on anytime soon I might be interested.
Edit: Moon... Hmmm not OOC for Xi...
Edit: thank you, Aldii. Twas most helpful.
I just decided I felt like more birds, and didn't have any other things I felt like doing at the last moment.
Alternately, I'd be good with a single lesser guide working, on, say Halflings and the dopplegangers residing within that society.
So you have the two left.
;)
As for the description of your two moons, they are, for the moment, lifeless hunks of rock floating in the aether. They orbit the planet similar to our own moon, in opposite directions of each other, up until they cross paths. When they cross paths, theyperform an unusual stuns, which I find best illustrated in a picture, shown below.
Thanks to the pieces of the Dimension Bulwark placed within them, they have gravity. However, without the leylines, they lack a direct connection to magical energy, and they also lack the Azure Aegis, leaving them airless havens for aether based creatures.
How frequent, i are "revolutions" (they each appear to have a half-circle cycle)?
As for how frequently they complete their half-circle cycle, I'll leave that to you to decide.
QUESTION FOR ALL:
Does anyone else see the benefit of gaining some clarity in relation to the world?
Things like..How many continents do we have? and there general locations...
Is it still just the one on the outside?
How much water is there? is our ocean covering the entire outside except that one continent and so its like....2 feet deep?
I would like to fill out some flora and fauna for each of them and where they are generally in the world. I then plan to do some drawings to depict this stuff and start to fill in habitats and cities.
I know i personally have some holes in my understanding of where everything is and I think it would be nice if we were all on the same page.
As for the world, there is the continent that the current populations and fungus are on. It is on the outside. It has relatively deep ocean around it. As for where it is, I assume it's in the southern hemisphere, but I'm not positive.
Beyond that ocean the world alternates between flat barren rock and shallow lifeless water. The exception would be around the southern polar opening, where Delfedd has created an icy sea from water taken from the glacier.
Also, Orius, fair warning--colonizing the moons may not be reacted to well.
Does anyone else see the benefit of gaining some clarity in relation to the world?
I quite agree. Here are my thoughts (as a player, not as an admin)
How many continents do we have? and there general locations
I'm going to say that there are two continents on the outside, two on the inside. Shadow might have a different idea, though.
There is the "main" continent where most life is right now, and it is surrounded by water. This is in the northern hemisphere. It is surrounded by a good bit of water, but I think the further one gets away from that continent, the less water.
There is a continent on the inside with an average amount of water and life, but I can't recall anything special about it.
How much water is there? is our ocean covering the entire outside except that one continent and so its like....2 feet deep?
Its proper ocean depth around the main continent, but it thins out towards the south. There are probably some areas that are little more than overly wet mud puddles.
I believe 1 of the outer continents is barren, and is one of the inner continents.
I would like to fill out some flora and fauna for each of them and where they are generally in the world. I then plan to do some drawings to depict this stuff and start to fill in habitats and cities.
The Main continent has a limited variety of trees, grains, domara, fugal forests, mold plants, a dense generic "forest", and a jungle. Few to no herbavors (curiously), a few birds (including birds of prey), Glow Worms, a hand full of Elder Things, and now Miasma thingies floating about. There are Eladrin, Halflings, Dwarves, Dopplegangers, and Elementals here.
The inner continent has... generic greenery. And... maybe something else?
The great up-and-out has aether stirges, general aetheric beasts and plants, Valin trees, Elder Things, Miasma, and other stuff.
That being said, one probably can easily tell that my perception of the world is biased towards what Xa'an interacts with the most.
It seems to be my lot in life
prepare to be boarded!
Where are you getting the other three continents from, Thought? Have I missed something?
12pp to create the world, none of that being water. So I wasn't quite sure what to call that land if not a continent. Its not an ocean or island, so process of elimination. But as I said, that just what I was envissioning as a player (not as an admin; if the latter, I would have been looking at PP more to figure out the details).
EDIT: To note, a lot of geographical locations have been added to the Wikia (such as the Golden Hills)... with very poor descriptions and comments. Feel free to expand on those locations. And list any where that need a page.
The rest is water and blank stone. I suppose it could be considering continent, but ny that reasoning, the world has very little water overall. I see your point though.
Thought. I see over on the resently updated field the new pages you added but when I got to the base wiki page for lords of creation how do we easily get to the articles on locations?
Can we set it up to break down logically?
world, inner aether sea, outer aether sea, void (so four main pages thus far broken down like so!)
--continent (or other significant feature, such as moons in outer aether sea)
---areas of continents (golden hills)
----crap within those areas (the beastiary, cities, location break downs detailed within)
Ive been messing around with the wiki and the templates you made and i like them very much! maybe ill get that yahoo thing and we can message about getting the info in there better i would love to help.
the information is my favorite part!
Was that what you were asking?
Novatack, did you intend to create a world-spanning underdark or just a local one?
A local one. It's a large cave complex, but doesn't span the entire world.
Level 19 is pretty darn high for a new hero. However, considering that the eladrin of this world are considered an epic-tier race, and that one of the eladrin in the Monster Manual is statted at level 19, it seemed reasonable. After all, it makes sense that they would send their toughest people on a mission like this.
I thought that everything was created on the inner world
Several pages back i thought you said only the fungi from the grey continent were on the outside, while all the rest was located inside?
Which is the impetus for this question since I am hoping to collate all our ideas into the one idea that is factual.
This is what i am trying to clear up here now..
Thought:
it seems like you understand what I mean to me :D
So maybe three categories?
inner world
outer world
planes of existence?
i will fill em full of data on my end if you like and even take the initiative to pm the god who each thing pertains to so they can review and edit anything...if you want me to. Dont want to step on any toes.
EDIT: JUST LOOKED AT THE WIKIA AND IT LOOKS GOOD!
On the upside, remember to describe how your people punch through the Azure Aegis to escape their glacier. :D
Not to mention how they'll survive in the aether.
World is hollow, with openings at each pole. Most things live on the outside, due to there being sunlight and so forth. Floating inside of the world are a bunch of crazy islands and icebergs. The interior surface of the world is totally overrun with fungus.
Yes, hell really is in the center of the earth.
It could be really cool.
He has met with opposition thus far to such an endeavor but he has not given up all hope!
the balance is what matters!
Currently, in order to teach a race ANY technology (such as textiles, metalworking, sailing, etc) a Guide Greater action (2pp) is required. It doesn't matter if a technology already exists; to go from Dwarves to Halflings, it costs 2pp.
After this reset, in order to teach a race a new technology or a class, one must still use a Guide Greater action. However, one can use a Guide Lesser action (1pp) to direct a people to assimilate an established technology from a species they have contact with. If Humans have sailing and Halflings don't, but they are in contact with each other, 1pp is all that is needed to get halflings to take up sailing as well.
If the races aren't in contact, however, then that really wouldn't work (just like you can't guide a race to go to war against another race if the two have never met and don't even know the other exists).
I wanted to post this now to see if players have any concerns or questions before the change to the rules goes into effect at the next reset.
Alright, so the Vyrane can just shoot at the Aegis for a little while and punch through?
Looking at your Twin Zephyrs, it would be easy to add a 1 PP Create Artifact action to stretch the Azure Aegis out slighty, giving your glacier a permanent air connection to the inside of the sphere.
Given the Zephyrs are exposed to the aether now, they are probably a pretty dangerous trip. A sudden aether current could suffocate an etire ship.
My next step is to get them to make aether born ships, do I just need to teach them sailing? or is there something else to teach them so they know how to make the boats?
Then of course there's Navigation.
Hmmm...
Depends on just how much a single "teach" can represent. I suppose it could be "Construction and use of Sips"
Unless an admin jumps in and says differently.
Logically if someone can build something they can probably use it (at least in a rudimentary fashion). More than the basics would be "Advanced Naval Knowledge"
I am hoping the logic is that simple.
so yeah there on the continent
It's 3 am here.
I was talking to shadow about where it was, next time someone makes a map include it clearly and that's where it goes.
Anyway, it's a bit of a travel on foot, easier if you have faster modes of travel of course.
I'm unsure as to whether or not the half-world spins, but if it does we can have clockwise and widdershins or something for our "east and west"
Firstly, I have been playing DnD for several years now but it has been 3.5. My group of friends and I have limited monetary resources and it has not seemed pertinent to invest in the 4e core rulebooks yet. As such, if i join and play many of the technical details of actually creating the creatures and such would prove troublesome, either someone would have to help walk me through it in PM or i believe SD had rolled out a few things for other people earlier, if anyone would be willing to do that here.
Second, i believe you start with 3pp specifically for domains and an additional 6pp for further actions in your birth phase correct? My basic God idea is to start off as a small flame possibly gifted with divinity by Chacatross. At inception i would devour everything around me, reveling as i discovered i am destruction incarnate (3pp). However, i would feel incomplete and lopsided, and as i watched the place i destroyed i would see the ash I had created and the plants feeding on the nutrients left by the ash. This would cause a revelation that creation and destruction are two sides of the same coin, and that I would be the union of both (3pp). But now id feel torn between two extremes, almost bipolar and still incomplete. Upon further examining myself I would discover that I am not only Creation and Destruction, but that which binds them, conflict (3pp). This would spend all of my power starting phase to establish the concept but im perfectly fine with that, I know there was some debate farther back about claiming to many domains at the beginning but if i read correctly the decision would still allow this. Now the possible problem here is that many pages back in the IC thread (tcrsavage on page 18) I saw someone post saying they would like to be the god of competition, which would remove the conflict portion of this idea and I would have to reexamine my concept, but I never saw this person post again and I have yet to see this god incorporated or even on the waiting list.
So..... looking forward to everyone's responses.
Nontheless I can openly say that I have nothing about your plans, even though I would advice you to let your character evolve based on his or her interaction with other gods. It gets funnier that way and gives more play to roleplaying and character development.
He will also, assuming he wants to play still, be allowed to post directly fter the refresh, as it's been several turns since we allowed gods to come into play, and greed, envy, and competition all seem to be occuring. :D
Refresh is now.
Turn 10 begins now.
PP Refresh
5 - Veros, Tsarokga-Noggoth
4 - Neko, Xa'an, Chactross, The Void, Oravolos, Oreb Nahash, Shurka, Vymrl, Nocturne, Xirinet, Ythrexle, Frellisk, Thans, Eijra, Mara
Sorry about the delays, but a long car trip called.
Aradeia, your got, The Empress, is now in play, should you choose to still participate.
tcrsavage, your god, Eaman, is now in play, should you choose to still participate.
Aradeia
First of all I want to say that it's well-written and I think your God will become a nice part of this world we together create.
But second I want to say that what you say about Iron in it is wrong. The Dwaves have used iron in their forges for about five-hundred years by now. Both Dwarves and Halflings know about iron and steel and uses it in both their weapons and in their tools.
Thus no actual problems there.
Quite well-written in my opinion, better than I usually do definitely.
Aradeia
EDIT: Woops! What the expression? ninja'd?
So i just finished the near monumental task of reading the entirety of all three threads, IC, OOC, and Mortal Stories. Having done so, I am interested in joining the game but have a few questions first:
Firstly, I have been playing DnD for several years now but it has been 3.5. My group of friends and I have limited monetary resources and it has not seemed pertinent to invest in the 4e core rulebooks yet. As such, if i join and play many of the technical details of actually creating the creatures and such would prove troublesome, either someone would have to help walk me through it in PM or i believe SD had rolled out a few things for other people earlier, if anyone would be willing to do that here.
Second, i believe you start with 3pp specifically for domains and an additional 6pp for further actions in your birth phase correct? My basic God idea is to start off as a small flame possibly gifted with divinity by Chacatross. At inception i would devour everything around me, reveling as i discovered i am destruction incarnate (3pp). However, i would feel incomplete and lopsided, and as i watched the place i destroyed i would see the ash I had created and the plants feeding on the nutrients left by the ash. This would cause a revelation that creation and destruction are two sides of the same coin, and that I would be the union of both (3pp). But now id feel torn between two extremes, almost bipolar and still incomplete. Upon further examining myself I would discover that I am not only Creation and Destruction, but that which binds them, conflict (3pp). This would spend all of my power starting phase to establish the concept but im perfectly fine with that, I know there was some debate farther back about claiming to many domains at the beginning but if i read correctly the decision would still allow this. Now the possible problem here is that many pages back in the IC thread (tcrsavage on page 18) I saw someone post saying they would like to be the god of competition, which would remove the conflict portion of this idea and I would have to reexamine my concept, but I never saw this person post again and I have yet to see this god incorporated or even on the waiting list.
So..... looking forward to everyone's responses.
Sounds like a pretty awesome idea.
If you need anyone to help you stat up 4e monsters, I can help you with that.
. So here goes,Name: Drahthor
Domain: Greater Domain Destruction, Greater Domain Creation
Physical Apperance: Drahthor's chosen form is rather imposing. Almost serpentine in appearance, the Avatar of Drahthor has a long black rigid form, covered in a tough exoskeleton with a series of spines rising from its back. The Avatar has 4 limbs, each one skeletal and ending in elongated sharp claws, and a large segmented tail that concludes in a malevolent looking blade. The head is one of the most startling characteristics, being long and curved, with a malicious jaw filled with spear like white fangs at the lower end. Until closer examination the head appears to lack further features, but a series of six small pitch black orbs ascend up the skull, three on each side. Unlike many of his brethren, Drahthor prefers to crawl along on all of its limbs, rather than a bipedal fashion. (If your having trouble picturing this it is based almost exclusively on the xenomorphs from the alien series, with some minor changes like no secondary mouth and the eyes).
Symbol: A deep red flame sits on a gray background, with a series of eight black gnarled roots stretching away from the flame, and each of the roots further subdividing into eight smaller roots that all intertwine into a sphere around the flame.
regardless the golden hills are way far from the giants. They are on the inside of the southern hemisphere correct?
The halflings are on the OUTSIDE on the continent in the northern hemisphere.
thats a crap ton of distance to cover....
As for the distance, the Twin Zephries will carry them fairly quickly to the Aegis, after they punch through that, then a few months travel should bring them to the Golden Hills.
If there's a large problem with this, I could probably mod it.
I know it doesn't really affect the game much, but it's still nice to know :D
I recall there being an issue where a race was guided to war, hoping to absorb a technology out of it, but nothing said they couldn't be brought to war. If I missed such a decision, point me at it. I'll admit I don't always remember everything in the threads.
And yes, it should take a while for them to get there, but with 250 years in the turn, they'll definitly get their this turn, so time isn't an issue. Though, supply lines are going to be a real hassle for them. ;)
As for changing alignments, there is no hard and fast rule on how and when. Change it it you feel you've settled into a real alignment. If we see the edit and disagree, we'll revert it and tell you as much. It's really a matter of proving your alignment.
Note
Remember, if it isn't stated in an IC post, it never happened. So the oracles never knew the fight was coming. They were not prepared. Your mortals do not know what you do. Please remember to have them act accordingly.
That is awefully prescient of the dwarves and halflings to be prepared for an invasion by forces they don't know exist.
The reason to why they were ready was the Eladrin's.
Ever since the battle between the Dwarves and the Eladrin they have feared a invaison and have had a standing army of sort. Even though it wasn't the Eladrin who attacked them in the end, they still had their army.
I can modify the post though so my line of thought is clearer.
Also, Novatack and AngeloftheNight, you need to give people a little time to respond to your posts. You are advancing too rapidly, without giving time for others involved to react in a constructive fashion.
Otherwise, I would have taken divine magic from the giants as well, with my de-nourish. Or taken magic from the warforged as well.
I am working under the light that the Ae-Silvani were aware of the tunnel and forces moving through the aether over the years it took. Thus my Ae-Silvani were relatively right behind the Vyrmosk as they descended on the golden hills.
Ritre: The sorrowsworn are awesome! Crazy looking undead guys with big sickles, that kick much butt. Ive always wanted to fight one in d&D but my highest level character is 11th right now, wont be forw awhile. They are like level 26 or so.
Space Dragon, you'll need 2 PP to give fear of the sun to both elementals and undead.
Alright then, just the undead. I'm out of PP, wouldn't you know it.
Ritre: The sorrowsworn are awesome! Crazy looking undead guys with big sickles, that kick much butt. Ive always wanted to fight one in d&D but my highest level character is 11th right now, wont be forw awhile. They are like level 26 or so.
Except their mouths. Eww...
Here are the sides I have laid out presently, and based on wat has hapened thus far I am seeing the Vyrmosk and allies have taken half the golden hills or so, but are being assaulted from all sides presently as a number of allied armies have come to help the golden hills.
Vyrmosk (cant use magic, but still have divine magic)
Warforged
Wraiths
Undead (half strength in the day)
vs
Halfings
Dwarves
Dopplegangers
Treants & Wisps
Ae-Silvani
Sorrowsworn
Questions: Where are the dopplegangers and archons in this. They were in the golden hills are they standing on the sidelines or they embroiled in the war s well?
Its a bi confusing because space could do undead which is a keyword
or elemental which is a keyword.
can nova do all humanoids?
Next up, Oravolos, there is no Guide Populace (Moderate) action. Guide just has Lesser and Greater. Since guiding them to war is only a lesser, I'll record it as such.
Finally, as promised, a pic for Sorrowsworn, and some basic info.
Sorrowsworn appear where great conflicts rage. These awful manifestations of the Shadowfell feed on grief and are often tasked with slaying powerful mortals who have cheated death.
Sorrowsworn are drawn to battlefields and often make their lairs in nearby ruins, feeding on the lingering despair that shrouds the area. A few are agents of the Raven Queen, sent to claim the souls of those who have escaped her clutches. These sorrowsworn torment their prey with whispers of impending doom or past failures, knowing instinctively what each victim holds dear or regrets.
Although they resemble undead demons, sorrowsworn are neither undead nor demonic. They are fragments of death incarnate, often drawn to locations where others have died in great numbers, such as battlefields.
Many sorrowsworn tasked with slaying powerful mortals who have cheated death. A few serve other entities with power over mortality. Sorrowsworn reside in bleak lairs such as thorny pits and dank caves. Within a sorrowsworn’s abode are many shallow cavities that contain grisly trophies and remains of past victims. Each set of remains tells a more depressing story than the last.
Making humanoids fear the dark is a flavorful action that acts on something that is true in reality. By and large, people fear the unknown hidden in the darkness. Just like Space Dragon gave undead their typical fear and/or weakness to sunlight. However, Humanoid is a type, and far, far more vast then the undead keyword . . .
I'm going to have to say no. It's too broad. Technically he zapped his own forces, since Warforged are humanoid, frost giants are humanoid, and wraith's are humanoid.
Does that mean that the sunlight-fearing undead would stop at the end of the turn, also?
What would I need to do to make my curse permanent, then? I was hoping to provide an explanation for why undead in DnD don't like the sun.
Vyrmosk (cant use magic, but still have divine magic)
Warforged
Wraiths
Undead (half strength in the day)
The Observer
vs
Halfings (fear of the unknown in the night)
Dwarves (fear of the unknown in the night)
Dopplegangers (fear of the unknown in the night)
Treants & Wisps
Ae-Silvani
Sorrowsworn
Your De-nourish was a wide reaching effect that targetted a type, not a keyword, and affected every creature involded in the fight, and beyond. If you target a keyword, you can have it remain in effect.
Commanding them to stop would be a Guide. Having them fall back under heavy losses, or beleiving the it was a losing battle would not.
Just out of curiosity, does the same apply to origins?
And what would it take to apply it to a type permenantly?
As for what it would take to effect a type and an origin, I'll have to consult Thought.
Where the flame pillar is closest to the world is the hottest part, i.e. the north pole and around there. This area would be driest and most like desert. The normal middle area is temperate. Then the closer to the equator you get the more artic, then once you pass the equator and get into the southern hemisphere things get really really cold (beyond even artic).
Does this comport?
Of course proximity to pillar is debatable as it is.
Wow... This is a real mind-bender.
Edit: Yeah, but there is the problem of the water/oceans getting into the hole.
What your saying is the only *visual* clue for someone travelling through the hole, and i presume here it is land only? is that there starts appearing land above them, so then when you are at the side of the bullwark you have land directly over your head. But gravity is still down for the traveller
The curvature is noticed if your high enough in the air, such as by flying.
Aradeia
War.
Nuff said.
Sending aid to help out. Which side would we fight on? I'm not entirely sure just yet.
The Vyrmosk and their army are invading, correct? And the Dwarves, Halflings, etc. are the defending army, yeah?
(and I'm going to write some stuff up)
The war is on, the war is off...???
I suppose the halfllings or dwarves, if brave enough to try and talk to the demon-looking creatures, could recruit them in the rebuilding effort.
what else can they have?
I will PM you.
The king and his party can go around i suppose or through! heck they might find allies in the grey fungus peoples.
Regarding my discussion of climate. This is how i envsision things:
Where the flame pillar is closest to the world is the hottest part, i.e. the north pole and around there. This area would be driest and most like desert. The normal middle area is temperate. Then the closer to the equator you get the more artic, then once you pass the equator and get into the southern hemisphere things get really really cold (beyond even artic).
Does this comport?
I think this is correct, but the continent is in the temperate zone with the southern tip down into the cold equatorial region, and the very northern section is desert, I think someone even made a desert there.
someone correct me if I am wrong in my assumptions.
Only the fungi (molds, shriekers, violet, indigo and grey) are on the planet.
my mistake.
Well, if the mold is to the south and they go through it. I guess I have to know the "culture" of this super moldy area. How do the grey's interact with each. Im guessing in this area other mortals are rare if unknown. Basically trying to figure out the kind of challange here.
basically they are mushroom people with three diffrent types, a psionic mess with your mind one, screecher one, and the grey fungus themselves that are the sentient race.
let camu introduce you to them in greater detail :D
If you want to co-op that part, I need a least a lead-in description for when they arrive, and some pointers to make sure they don't get stuck (Plot's gotta continue and be done by Saturday).
To give you guys an idea of how I'm plotting this. I was thinking four parts (each was going to be a post).
1. Initial Journey south. Not sure what would happen here. Perhaps a fight with the dwarves/halflings? Ideas?
2. Through the fungal lands to the edge of the continent. Ambushed by dryads.
3. Sail across the ocean to the glacier near the equator. Travel south to the Volcano, a non-combat challenge. The final boss. Get reward
4. Epilogue: the Final battle between the warring factions.
They take on a harmless guise first, like they just are part of the motionless fungal growths.
Then, when you have been completely surrounded, they attack
Don't forget, that according to previous posts, I think, the Frost Giants have some halflings under their control. Just as well say that was the thought.
The Azure Aegis is approximately 60,000 feet above the surface, but, unlike our world, air pressure remains the same from sea level all the way to the Aegis, though oxygen levels drop above 15,000 feet. This is accurate for both within the sphere and without.
The diameter of the sphere is about 6500 miles, with the circumfrance at the equator being around 19,000 miles. The polar openings are 1500 miles diameter on the outer surface, but slightly smaller on the inner surface, about 1000 miles. At their narrowest point, the polar openings are just under 800 miles wide. The curvature is shallow enough that someone walking would never notice the difference, though someone flying high enough would.
The interior diameter would be around 4000 miles. Inner circumfrance would then be about 10000 miles.
For those to whom it might matter, while the Dimension Bulwark is built into the crust, it also extends across the pollar opening, so someone travelling through it would have to pass through the anti-magic effects. The thickness of this effect would be a band about 600 miles.
Which brings up an interesting question in how do Berg Ships fly? If they fly via magic, they never could have flown out of the inner world, since they would have had to pass through a 600 mile wide band of anti-magic. And I couldn't imagine any other way for a giant chunk of ice to fly. It's far too late to ret-con, and is partially my mistake for forgetting that, but is definitelty something to remember.
Another point, is that somebody might want to move this to the wiki, so it's easier to find. I would, but my PC refuses to access it today.
camu would these fungal creatures have any knowledge of the old short lived alliance/agreement between their cousins and frost giants on the glacier before it was sundered?
All fungi are connected. All fungus except the greys have an intelligence of animal level.
Greys are far more intelligent.
However I don't think there was an alliance between frost giants and the grey fungi (leaders of the fungus). My god only planted fungal trees (plant equivalent/ non sentient) on the glacier cause the giants god asked (and i had secret agendas with that aswell, until that glacier got melted away :D )
Ancient Proto Dragon Level 20 Brute
Gargantuan Natural Magical Beast XP 2800
Initiative +15 Senses Perception +31;
HP 230; Bloodied 115
AC 32; Fortitude 34, Reflex 32, Will 32
Immune Force
Speed Fly 8
Claw (standard; at-will)
+23 vs AC; 3d8 + 7 damage
Force Breath (standard; encounter) * Force
Area blast 3 within 10; +19 vs Reflex; 4d10 + 7 damage
Tail Sweep (standard; encounter)
Close blast 2; +21 vs AC; 4d10 + 7 damage
Target is pushed 1 square.
Alignment: Unaligned Languages: Draconic
Skills: Arcana: +21 Religion: +21
Str 26 (+18) Dex 20 (+15) Wis 23 (+16)
Con 20 (+15) Int 23 (+16) Cha 20 (+15)
These guys are weak dragons before they split into about a hundred different subraces. You guys can change them later... although it's up to the Admins to decide whether it's Nourish Populace because you take an existing race and make them stronger or Shape Populace because they are new races.
Also, say that these guys get mad at another mortal race and start a war. How would the winner be determined, or the effects of victory? There seems to be very few rules on the subject.
Orius, PM me everything you want your ae-sylvani to be able to do, and I'll make you some stats.
As for how they would win, it is determined by the RP between the players controlling those races, as well as any PP spent towards the effort. If a decision cannot be ,ade between the players, Admins will make a final decision.
Aradeia, those talua seem pretty cool. Do you have stats for them in the works? If not, could I take a shot at it?
Actually, I don't have any stats made up for them. I was going to take a shot at it later, but I'm not what one might call experienced at making up monsters, so I would greatly appreciate any help you can give.
Aradeia
space: prepare to be pmed.
How does the bulwark extend into the bore hole since there is no earth there?
maybe you answered this before.
I am also taking your stats on the world and adding them to the wiki right now.
hey where is that cool diagram of the world you posted a bit ago as well? i can add that.
Also, thanks for adding them to the wiki. I haven't been able to load if for 3-4 days now.
Just wondering, since Eijra's last post made it sound like the eladrin were invading.
CAMU: Do you have the specifics detailed about your crazy bug guys?
also where and what are these hive cities you spoke of that they came from?
I dont see any of this stuff on your wiki page.
And yes i know, i should update my wiki a bit.
Going to sleep now.
I would have attacked those like a rabid dog on a bone if I had known that!
ill chalk it up to being in the outer aether and my god has been embroiled in other concerns.
:P
Anyways, I hope everyone is okay with my timestamping my mortal quest and battle to before the molds land. I'm typing as fast as i can!!
If it helps, the item I want to invent is this:
bested in the night by sneaky giants? hehehe thats awesome.Shazaam you guys!
Is it just me or does the fungus troops scare anyone else like the Flood used to?
I gots me a question for the admins. How much PP would it cost to make a good number of magic items? Not artifacts, mind you; just simple magic items that I could later teach them to make more of themselves? I want the first little pile (maybe a hundred or so copies) of these items to be a direct gift from Tahns.
If it helps, the item I want to invent is this:
Post #1000!!
Shazaam you guys!
Is it just me or does the fungus troops scare anyone else like the Flood used to?
if the flood scared you than you had never come across, tyranids, zerg, zombies, or numerous other creatures that had a similar effect. Personally, for my dose of terror, I like to get into an existentialist mood and then pick up some H.P. Lovecraft. (though i do think the timing for the invasion could not have been better)
mid-war third party invasions are always awesome.
and i've gotta give a :coolcthul to a fellow lovecraft fan!
Also Colour Out of Space, Dreams in the Witch House, At the Mountains of Madness, as well as the shorter stories From Beyond and The Hound.
I'm really surprised no one mentioned Mountains of Madness before me. Honestly, reading it makes me think that Lovecraft would have done better if he had written more science fiction instead of horror.
i think the line between science fiction and horror is a very thin one indeed. And i had trouble getting into "at the mountains of madness" for some reason.
The beginning is slow (I almost didn't continue either). It gets WAY better FAST once they dig up the aliens.
But having read the OOC thread up to date (well, skimmed), I'm looking forward to catching up on the IC thread too.
~Thought
P.S. tcrsavage, sorry for overlooking your post and not adding you to the waiting list.
Would it be okay to do so? And would it be okay if I return later on as a new god? Maybe one of death? It seems like it could truly be needed due to the way things are right now.
Special thanks to space-dragon for statting them out
2 PP Mold Land (Moderate) I create a rotational force in order to cook the world evenly about the pillar of flame and set my waters in motion. Weather is on the horizon.
The flame pillar is above then North pole, so does this mean the rotation is going to put the two holes at the (eventual) equator that angle/side rotates. Or is the normal "side" rotating with the current equator.
EDIT: Also, I already spent 3pp for tides related to the moons... which go with the current equator.
How much PP is spend to form them exactly
Any being who copied these leters created a great barrier between the outside world and the inside world. These barriers took hours to form, but when they did they were nigh upon indestructable.
Does this mean the barriers actually are 'in' the ground?
Well assume the Tsarok-Hem became a bit stronger in psionics, especially to break and decay magical phenomena, like the ritually created barriers.
I altered the landscape to have these giant letters written on them. If anyone writes down the letters, (something that takes hours at best) they can summon a great wall, approximately two thousand feet high and a mile long, as well as extending relatively far underground. However, having these walls up for extended periods of time drains the environment around them. There are a two conventional ways to take down a wall. Destroying the medium that it is written on, or killing the person who wrote it down.
PP Refresh
5 - Veros, Xa'an, Neko, Tsarokga-Noggoth
4 - Chactross, The Void, Oravolos, Oreb Nahash, Shurka, Vymrl, Nocturne, Xirinet, Ythrexle, Eijra, Frellisk, Thans, Cygnus, Mara, The Empress
Why would neko get 5 pp? And Xa'an? and Veros? The only one who i can see who deserves it is Tsarokga-Noggoth.
They've been in play longest, so they get boosts sooner. I imagine if you did nothing but pump out followers and pump them up you'd increase in PP fairly quickly, quicker than them.
The formula likely includes Turns as well as individual actions taking.
They've been in play longest, so they get boosts sooner. I imagine if you did nothing but pump out followers and pump them up you'd increase in PP fairly quickly, quicker than them.
Shouldn't Chactross have 5PP a turn then? He's been around for a long time and doesn't have any less followers than Neko (I think)
Eh, whatever. I don't know what the formula is.
Oh, and you can't join a game until the admins clear you (you should get a PM)
BTW, if other gods decide to be inspired by the avariels and pool their power to make a universal race of winged divine servants called Angels, I'd happily pitch in. :D
Also Space, I noticed this...
"Tahns watched Aradeia vanish."
Aradeia is the screen name, I think you meant The Empress. (Or the stranger or something). Unless the name changed or something
Eh... I don't know... it might be two because 1 PP is for telling them to do specific things, like go to battle.
Right. Thing is, its not as extensive as teaching them to make a new Class, or to teach them something really major like Agriculture, so I wasn't sure. If the admins tell me to spend more, I will spend more.
Aradeia is the screen name, I think you meant The Empress. (Or the stranger or something). Unless the name changed or something
Oh...my bad. Srry, will fix.
Space Dragon
I think you do need another PP. 1 to form the Avariel's as an organization of epic eladrin warriors given your goal to fight the invaders, and 1 to nourish them, giving them the items.
Ok so i decided to start with Greater Domain Destruction and Creation and rp from there. And Novatack thanks, im sure ill be needing your help when i get that far
Name: Drahthor
Domain: Greater Domain Destruction, Greater Domain Creation
Physical Apperance: Drahthor's chosen form is rather imposing. Almost serpentine in appearance, the Avatar of Drahthor has a long black rigid form, covered in a tough exoskeleton with a series of spines rising from its back. The Avatar has 4 limbs, each one skeletal and ending in elongated sharp claws, and a large segmented tail that concludes in a malevolent looking blade. The head is one of the most startling characteristics, being long and curved, with a malicious jaw filled with spear like white fangs at the lower end. Until closer examination the head appears to lack further features, but a series of six small pitch black orbs ascend up the skull, three on each side. Unlike many of his brethren, Drahthor prefers to crawl along on all of its limbs, rather than a bipedal fashion. (If your having trouble picturing this it is based almost exclusively on the xenomorphs from the alien series, with some minor changes like no secondary mouth and the eyes).
Symbol: A deep red flame sits on a gray background, with a series of eight black gnarled roots stretching away from the flame, and each of the roots further subdividing into eight smaller roots that all intertwine into a sphere around the flame.
Is this what you are looking for?
Yes it is. You are clear to post. You have 6 PP
Thank you, now if you will excuse me, I have an introduction to make!
I created them, therefore they and their actions are mine to control, not yours. If you want to roleplay against the Dwarves contact me, do not control their kind or their armies. Because they are mine.
Am I right in my complaints?
It really depends on whether Massive is controlling them all or just a portion.
On another note, Aldii, it will take more than 1 PP to move both halflings and dwarves into the feywild. At a minimum, it would take 2, 1 per race.
They live in an enormous fortress city with narrow tunnels, the giants would never even be able to enter it. They would have to blow the whole mountain up before they even would be able to reach the throne room.
The only area where arguably I may have overstepped myself is having the Dwarven King speak, but the battle would have happened anyways, and I would have spent the PP to have the frost giants win, which I did.
So that is why I with regret depart from LOTC, at least for now. Eijra will go to slumber and her people will live in peace in the Feywyld.
I will probably return later on when the war is over. But for now at least I will stay away from the affairs of creation.
I'm not an admin, but that's my opinion.
Also, aldii; you want to quit the game? I can understand Eijra wanting to end it all, but do you really need to leave the entire game in an OOC sense? I mean, if there's stuff going on that you have to take care of, or if the game is starting to bore you, that's understandable. Is that what this is?
I am going to take a week-long break from LotC after that I will probably return. Meanwhile Eijra will simply take a nap.
The 3 PP he spent is more than was spent on the invasion force. I don't particuarly like the method, though I didn't like the invasion so soon after a previous one either, but it seems to be fine per the rules. There may be a few of the Tsarok-Hem still on the surface, but the invasion force is pretty well gone.
Anyway they aren't unmade, the invasion force just got blasted.
Personally I thnk all the apocalypse stuff was geting old. We've barely got any civilization (or world for that matter), but we've already survived 2 apocalyptic invasions.
And Aldii: I can understand, I'm not gonna try to change your mind of course. I figure it's frustrating to have your creations under constant threat. I'd wouldn't leave the game entirely though. There's still the Mortals.
I should be playing more soon. School's been taking more and more of my time. Plus the spring break...
So much for frost giants in a land of ice.
Back to square one I guess.
EDIT: I have an idea that just might work...
after all the work you did getting them there and setting it up I dont want to see it all go away.
We can make some ice pillars, or trees that slow down molecules lowering the temperature.
Let me know if you need any PP or help with it. ANGLEOFTHENIGHT that oes for you too, my god is in a position he wants to help the giants now. He is a god of balance and feels it is only right the giants have a land of there own, he just didnt like you tried to take someone elses land
HECK! LETS MAKE THAT VOLCANO AN ICE VOLCANO!! it can spew out a ice cold fog blanketing th land in sow and ice and it also keep the sun at bay in a haze of fog.
@MassiveAttack
Thanks for handling the frost giants, I did send some of them to the southern hemisphere, just wanted to keep a smaller force in the Golden Hills. Picture them as a bandit kingdom or some such.
The way I figure it, 3 PP to spin a hollow world should be enough to get things on a decent calendar. The northern glass desert just makes sense to me though, since the flame has been cooking that side for awhile now, and prolly cooked it pretty well done. It's the other half of Massive Attack's realm. Whether the Frosties adapt, migrate or die, is their player's call ;)
The volcano isn't that far south, becuase the farther south you got it was unlivable (I was thinking methane freezing easily).
In fact, you want apocolypse, what Neko did is a climate apocolypse!
Anwyays, the easiest way to keep the volcano cold is to time the revolutions with the storehouse such that the volcano is in perpetual night. Or at least I think that's possible.
yeah i specifically stated that i didnt touch the tsarok-hem in the aether. I apologize if you did not like it but i was trying to give everyone some breathing room and hopefully give aldii a break. And i thought severing their psychic connection was interesting, but that is just my opinion feel free to disagree.
Breathing space... that's nice :D If one invasion wasn't enough!
I'm going to be out for 2 or 3 days due to family complications. No internet there. I'll be back when I'm able.
The south pole will stay cold, like our south pole though. Not like the dark side of the moon, that's all... The Northern glass desert is your territory now too though. I can't get rid of the PP you created without a de-nourish, but danged if I can't cut it in half with physics. Make an artifact if you like though...
The way I figure it, 3 PP to spin a hollow world should be enough to get things on a decent calendar. The northern glass desert just makes sense to me though, since the flame has been cooking that side for awhile now, and prolly cooked it pretty well done. It's the other half of Massive Attack's realm. Whether the Frosties adapt, migrate or die, is their player's call ;)
See now I'm confused again. Which way are you rotating the world (if the pillar is above the north pole)?
The more i think of it I like the ice volcano, ill message you angel about making it and an environment for the giants.
does the one continent stretch all the way to the south pole? I thought it was more northern hemisphere and petered out at the equator.
That's right. The southern hemisphere is one gigantic glacier/tundra.
The light side of the table is looking kinda sparse.
Since Shurka, Tahns and me are the only guys who dont go evil, and my god is very very neutral but im having to play good since the bad guys are going crazy....
I know veros and xa'an swing all ways but the good guys need more for there side of the team
It's a climactic, but gradual shift (gradual enough for mortals to mostly miss) and results in the least amount of my god being frozen. I'm asleep but not masochistic...
Can our next god be a good god?
The light side of the table is looking kinda sparse.
Since Shurka, Tahns and me are the only guys who dont go evil, and my god is very very neutral but im having to play good since the bad guys are going crazy....
I know veros and xa'an swing all ways but the good guys need more for there side of the team
now that my god has assumed the domain of Creation you will find him to be far more neutral, never intended him to be evil in the long run.
Can our next god be a good god?
The light side of the table is looking kinda sparse.
Since Shurka, Tahns and me are the only guys who dont go evil, and my god is very very neutral but im having to play good since the bad guys are going crazy....
I know veros and xa'an swing all ways but the good guys need more for there side of the team
It's also a bit relative. Mara was helping the frost giants, so to them She is a good god.
If you rotate the world that way, the southern hemisphere still won't get any light. (The sun is above the North Pole hole).
If the sun is above the North pole, the Southern pole already gets no light... If anything I just brightened your day
Think how the Earth's North pole's winters work.If the sun is above the North pole, the Southern pole already gets no light... If anything I just brightened your day
Still confused.
If you rotated the world top to bottom, so to speak, then it has a normal sun like day-night cycle like on earth. But that means the southern pole isn't a "pole" anymore, and is in fact on the outer edged type equator. Considering that climate, it would go from an ice climate to a desert/jungle climate (no sun to being close to the sun).
Correct?
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Also, Mechalibur, what exactly are the Humites?
Additionlly, the Ae-Silvani live there.
Shadow's on the ball there.
We have no magnetic field since there's no cor to our world...
the interior open space is the inner aether sea and it is full of animals, plants, ae-sylvani and two gods live there.
if you read the wiki article on the world it should help you out.
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Oh, my question was answered. Thank you The Orius.
Also, I remember at some point someone had mentioned that the inside of parallel planes like the Feywild were completely subject to the whims of the god that created them, and could create stuff in it without spending PP, though that stuff would just be fluff and have no impact really on the game. I was just wondering if I'd misinterpreted this and if it applied to minor planes like my Niyanta.
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MASSIVE ATTACK: I will help you create some artifacts or plants that keep the spouther hemisphere cold. We make make giant refrigierators!
after all the work you did getting them there and setting it up I dont want to see it all go away.
We can make some ice pillars, or trees that slow down molecules lowering the temperature.
Let me know if you need any PP or help with it. ANGLEOFTHENIGHT that oes for you too, my god is in a position he wants to help the giants now. He is a god of balance and feels it is only right the giants have a land of there own, he just didnt like you tried to take someone elses land
HECK! LETS MAKE THAT VOLCANO AN ICE VOLCANO!! it can spew out a ice cold fog blanketing th land in sow and ice and it also keep the sun at bay in a haze of fog.
You should probably have your god come talk to Mara then. I'm not sure what next to do. Obviously the primary thing is what AngeloftheNight does with the frost giants, though I think he will or has sent some back to the volcano. I'm not sure.
Another example of a lesser plane could be this
Eijra spends 2 PP, making the Golden Hills a lesser plane. In this variety of lesser plane, mold land is free, and other gods would find their power diminished in the area (resulting in Eijra gaining a +2 combat bonus). In D&D terms, clerics to gods other than Eijra might have penalties to using their powers in that area.
.Mara: And Me!
cant they have different names? or identifiers like I use for Oravalos?
mara the fair
mara the dark....or something like that?
i really like the way you write though, very entertaining.
Thanks.
They are existentially the same being, or parts thereof, but have different personalities a bit. When the moons are farthest apart, their personalities are most distinct and divergent. That's when they will usually refer to each other in the third person. It is also why only one of them helped the giants, when she was alone, she was lonely in the dark. (She is also the same one who threw the rock)
When their moons are in closest together, their personalities merge up and they act more as a unified mind. This is when they are together but say "I" "Me" etc.
As for permanent differentiation. I'm leaning towards it, but unsure how to do it. Of course they haven't interacted with a lot of other people, etc. Kinda still feeling that out.
i cant for the life of me remember...i know they started with a Z i think...
hey what was the name of the giant turtles that were the size of islands in 3rd edition?
i cant for the life of me remember...i know they started with a Z i think...
Zaratan.
an april fools joke?
bck on topic in the OOC
I am making Zaratans next! cities for my Ae-Sylvani
does anyone have any good idea for other aether like creatures hat would be cool?
especially ones that would make good druid creatures to turn into. All I have thus far are the aether sharks, and I am about to make some cool snake creatures as well.
I suppose an aether dolphin would be next, perhaps.
And an April Fool's joke is a good explanation I hadn't thought of.
So I have Neko (Rotating the earth), Thans (Sun), Xirinet (Stars) and maybe someone else (storehouse)? as having been involved in the astral bodies set up. I'm thinking of creating an overall systemic solution to this that would involve these rotations and such (constellations, etc). If interested it could also involve introducing seasons (such that each moon gets one) and weather. I'm probably going to need some help. Interest?
For your celestial bodies, the Storehouse is Xa'an, I helped a but with the rotation.
As for the Sun, it was originall Chactross's Flame Pillar. It has Nocturnes Black Light crystal inside of it (that was me). So it's a whole mess of stuff.
I'll help how I can, just ask.
Also, as a note. Space Dragon, you can get paragon monstrous wasp or hornets, but you'll need the mundane seperately. One creation per expenditure, except where monsters are differentiated by class.
The idea is to systematize the astral objects (Rotational patterns etc, to open up astronomy) and by doing so developing a stable weather system (seasons, wind patterns, etc). For example, aligning the night caused by the rotations with the night caused by the storehouse (not necessarily exactly though, could have some interesting cycles) I'm not sure on the cost for doing all this though.
Eh, I guess I can spend another PP to make normal wasps later. Damn, I need a Shape artifact.
1) They have stable constellations, these give a basis for Astronomy.
2) They have shifting stars, these could be tied to Astrology.
Neither of these technically NEED basis as per the rules, so this it ends up just being fluff.
That being said...
The constellations represent the first 13 gods. Exact details for each constellation will be worked out later. Each constellation is tied to a Background, yet to be worked out.
New constellations are added at 1PP each, a Create Artifact effect. Each constellation will allow a background to be added to the constellation list.
Please try to keep backgrounds reasonable and balanced.
Unwanted tampering MAY result in retribution however, so ask before you decide to touch my toys.
Massive: You won;t need to systematize the stars I'd imagine, but if you feel they need any more playing with than what they are you're free to bounce ideas off me.
More complex things than divining north would be part of teaching Astronomy. I would be getting around to teaching it at some point, but since everything is currently pretty close together it's not a major aspect I feel needs to be addressed. Astronomy is mainly required for naval and long-distance navigation, and with the small area of our world as it is... If you wish to teach Astronomy to a race feel free however.
Astrology would be divination by reading the patterns of the unstable stars, and may end up being a joint action between me and shadow. Have to run that by him.
As the star-god it is kinda my job to do star-based things (what few there are), and my plate is full as I bring some plans to fruition. And of course right now the world is young enough that such things aren't entirely needed, rest assured they'll happen. And of course Xi has a good chance of saying "yes you can teach the mortals ____ instead if me"
Now, after some deliberation it's been decided that the Constellation effects should be on rough equality with Regional Benefits. I wil be working out each effect, however if you would like to suggest your effect I'll use that instead of whatever I have planned for you. Obviously this only applies to the original 13 constellations (and thus players), if you want to add another one it's all you.
Why would neko get 5 pp? And Xa'an? and Veros? The only one who i can see who deserves it is Tsarokga-Noggoth.
Really? After 11 turns you don't see why a god would get a PP boost to 5PP? I think it only took about 4 or 5 turns for my god in the last game to get to 5, then only another 10 or so to get the next boost.
Actually, I would have thought more gods would have had a boost by now, but admittedly I don't know the details of how that is determined.
Well Aether, everything is a flying creature right? I dunno. It's kind of a limited space in that zone in the center of the world.
So I have Neko (Rotating the earth), Thans (Sun), Xirinet (Stars) and maybe someone else (storehouse)? as having been involved in the astral bodies set up. I'm thinking of creating an overall systemic solution to this that would involve these rotations and such (constellations, etc). If interested it could also involve introducing seasons (such that each moon gets one) and weather. I'm probably going to need some help. Interest?
I'd be good with setting the storehouse up to do something differently. It was intended to provide a night when the sun was in the center of the earth and radiating the interior uniformily.
To note, there are other astral bodies. Specifically, the "Vorpal Cascade," which you might think of as a small cluster of planetoids in a distant orbit around the planet. Sort of like Pluto and Charon.
Then there is Nibiru, a planet/exarch, who occasionally flies around the "solar system," the proverbial "Planet X."
Really? After 11 turns you don't see why a god would get a PP boost to 5PP? I think it only took about 4 or 5 turns for my god in the last game to get to 5, then only another 10 or so to get the next boost.
Actually, I would have thought more gods would have had a boost by now, but admittedly I don't know the details of how that is determined.
Does anyone else see a problem with this? Thought.... YOUR AN ADMINISTRATOR!!! If you do not know how the system works then who the hell does!!?
And it depends on what you mean. I know a lot about how the rules work, just not how individual actions influence base PP (which is really just a single, comparitively small, component of the whole).
There are certainly advantages to being cross-trained, as it were, on multiple aspects of the game, but there are also advantages to being specialized in a few areas. One of the original advantages (when there were three of us) was that one person could keep track of PP, the other could monitor the first, and the third could look at things from an outsiders perspective.
Camu, I was hoping maybe your god could beat the crap out of Tahns and send him plummeting back to the ground. It would help with some character development I've been wanting to do with him.
Thanks.
No problem.
I'll make a post of it as soon as possible
Second, the giants have no halfling labor to live on, since Eijra pulled all the halflings into the feywild.
Something else, is that city actually intelligent? Because a city seems more like an artifact to me. There is nothing actually wrong with it, I'm just wondering.
As I undertsood Matt, he wanted the equator to be equatorial, and the polar regions to be cold.
Side note, the replacement of "gre en" with "Gleemax" is really annoying. For April Fool's Day "jokes," that really ranks pretty low
Question: I was thinking of dividing the Dwarfs and the Halflings in to sub-races before my Goddess return to the real world. Dawn Dwarves and Dusk Dwarves. Dawn halflings and Dusk Halflings.
Would that count as creating entierely new races? Or could i insted spend 1PP for each new race I am going to create as I use the old ones to create them?
If the core stats of the race are in question, you have to pay the same as making a new race.
Edit: As for the moons, no I'd not say they moved. No water for the rotation, no extra PP to move them. So they are still in line with the sun, providing the opportunity to possibly cause solar eclipses.
name malltricks
domain: trickster / forest
form: small shadow usualy seen out of corner of eye
symbol: a small flute twind with poisan ivy
But if these are just cultural changes, like between the English and the French (who are both Germanic), then you would only really need to apply guide or teaches to the specific group.
EDIT: Actually, Malltrick, I'd ask you to pick a different name for your god. It looks like you created your account specifically for this, but it is useful to be able to distinguish between a player's action and a god's action. Calling you both Malltrick would get confusing.
Look at your god, and either make any changes necessary, or PM me with the changes needed so I can update it. I'd obviously prefer the former, but I'd rather have the latter than nothing.
Particularly, some gods are lacking descriptions, symbols, and even domains.
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If they retain identical stats, with different cultures, then no PP is necessary. If you want special racial feats for each subrace, that is a teach.
If the core stats of the race are in question, you have to pay the same as making a new race.
Edit: As for the moons, no I'd not say they moved. No water for the rotation, no extra PP to move them. So they are still in line with the sun, providing the opportunity to possibly cause solar eclipses.
Oh god I'm an idiot. I always thought they were aligned with the equator from your pic. So they are aligned on the vertical north-south axis originally (now the new equator). (IOW, originally their turn around was at the poles?) :embarrass
Oh god I'm an idiot. I always thought they were aligned with the equator from your pic. So they are aligned on the vertical north-south axis originally (now the new equator). (IOW, originally their turn around was at the poles?) :embarrass
Right. I always kept them aligned with the sun, because eclipses are cool enough to set the moons going north and south over the planet. Having the planet shift to make that east to west still makes it work.
Right. I always kept them aligned with the sun, because eclipses are cool enough to set the moons going north and south over the planet. Having the planet shift to make that east to west still makes it work.
Okay I'm going to need to do a bit of retcon on the hair changing thing then. *thinks about *. I'll just make it easy. one is always white one is always black.
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There is still something that I feel I have to say.
Not often do I complain about stuff, but this time:
I found it a bit cheap and disappointing to the instant destruction of the invasion force.
I never planned on winning, but I hoped to see more creative interaction between invaders and defenders. People could have banded together, reforge old alliances, make new ones. Discover new magic or technologies to counter the aliens.
Having spend time to work out the differnt races/beasts for quite some time. I wrote the initial invasion in such a way that it was open content. No specific targets, only general areas of where they landed, but never did I force anything. My second invasion pos still only mentioned 'defenders' not specifically targetting anyone.
I did this to make sure I wouldn't force anything on anyone that didn't like it. If you only wanted the invaders destroy or harrass a small town community, fine by me. You wanted them to take the capital, fine with me again.
But when I returned after school to check what others did, the only thing I found was an insta kill and that was that.
It was clearly ok for someone to deside the faith of the entire invasion force on a whim, not even asking or PM-ing if I agreed to this or anything.
(I didn't even got a proper chance to act on the destruction of the invasion force)
Like I said before, winning was never my point, just to create an event our game community could work on together.
Now, what's done is done, but I hope in the future more collaberation between players, instead of one man decisions.
The mere shrugging off of veros' attack upon the invasion force as if it hadnt happened at all reinforced this opinion and was the deciding factor when i was deciding what to do at that point.
This was to reflect there alien mindset. Totally without compassion, even for themselves.
I don't feel attacked personally, and this was not ment as a game ending event, just an epic battle to make the game history interesting
On an unrelated note, this swelling stomach with the empress is slightly distressing... or maybe shes just pregnant with emotion? Starting to remember a certain American Dad episode......
On an unrelated note, this swelling stomach with the empress is slightly distressing... or meybe shes just pregnant with emotion? Starting to remember a certain American Dad episode......
Distressing? Distressing how, exactly?
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Distressing? Distressing how, exactly?
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several jokes come to mind but I am actually really interested to see how its going to play out.
on an unrelated note, shouldn't either camu or tahns have spent 1pp to initiate combat with another god?
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I like Rit's idea. Splashdown + floating city = pretty cool origin city. Then I could use minor nourish lands to make room for more areas around it later. Thanks.
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Yay someone liked my idea, though in honor of the amoral squid god i believe the city should be named R'lyeh!
I was going to give it something sufficiently lovecraftian.
I thought you were gonna wait a week then drop.
im sorry you felt snubbed!
bears, elk, seals, wolves and huge aurouchs ((i figured they could become mounts or pack animals))
Now this is a personal preference, but I generally believe that one should never "undo" what someone else did. Diverting things into a new direction is good stuff, but straight out making it irrelevant is annoying to read happen to others and to have happen to one's self.
Having said that, a lot of use are guilty (we admins as well) of negating rather than changing. And it can be a grey area as to what is good and what is bad. But when you post something, consider this: did you "end" a storyline or did you change its direction? While there are a handful of things Camu could do with the results of his invasion, I think we are all agreed that for the most part, it was "ended."
I'm not trying to get on Ritreaude's case; as I said, a lot of us are guilty of it and it is a very easy line to cross. But because it is something that we all are capable of accidentally doing, we need to have Constant Vigilance!
Because we are in this together we should work with it together instead of seeing it as a contest and trying to make your own creation's the dominating force in the world.
I have to say that I really dislike when people de-nourish other people's creations. It feels like that they don't give the person in question a serious chance to fight back or even respond to the things that happens to the creations they have so carefully worked with.
Tahns' eyes widened with disbelief as the slimy tentacles closed around him. He was the power of four gods combined!
Huh, I thought it took the power of Fire, Earth, Water, Wind, and Heart to summon Thans (five by my count, not four).
and now, for something completely different:
Huh, I thought it took the power of Fire, Earth, Water, Wind, and Heart to summon Thans (five by my count, not four).
no your thinking of captain planet.
Moderate Domains: Justice
Lesser Domains: Equality
Alignment: Unaligned
Physical Appearance: A hardy looking man full of vigor. He has shoulder length white hair and a short white beard. He wears a white shirt with a white vest on top with the sleeves rolled up, along with white pants.
Symbol: A white star.
Edit: Statted Humites as a playable race. Had to make another account on the wiki (for some reason the password that works on one computer doesn't work on the other...)
I have this plot idea about the the Dwarves and the Halfings will split in to two factions and it would be nice if the second faction could get a patron or matron god of it's own?
Right now they are known as the Dusk Dwarves, but whoever that wants to take care of them are more then free to give them another name.
im not sure how the wikia thing works but i signed up and made a home page. changed gods name to roan and minor domain from forest to shadow
Usually the wikia just contains ingame stuff, but as you posted your god to your user page that actually works splendidly.
Was it five? There was a lot of complication over who was donating PP when I was made, so I may be mixing it up.
No, it was three actually. Chactross, Oravalos, and Eijra I believe. The phrase I originally quoted just amused me because of the Captain Planet similarity.
Would anyone be willing to adopt a couple of thousands Dwarves and Halflings?
I have this plot idea about the the Dwarves and the Halfings will split in to two factions and it would be nice if the second faction could get a patron or matron god of it's own?
Right now they are known as the Dusk Dwarves, but whoever that wants to take care of them are more then free to give them another name.
From what I got from the Dusk Dwarves, they seemed to be somewhat war oriented. If I'm right, that could make them fit nicely with my goddess of Tyranny. Although, she's kind of evil, and I have a feeling you don't want that. I also have a PP left to spare, so if you're planning on doing it before the next reset, I'd be able to take some on right away.
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EDIT: I just saw Shadow's post about adopting them, so I guess never mind.
Whoever wants them is more then free to seduce them, steal them or take them.
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5 - Veros, Xa'an, Chactross, Neko, Oravolos, Tsarokga-Noggoth, Mara
4 - The Void, Oreb Nahash, Shurka, Vymrl, Nocturne, Xirinet, Ythrexle, Eijra, Frellisk, Thans, Mara, The Empress, Drahthor
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Massive Attack has been given an extra PP for this turn.
Yeah, I copy and paste new turns. So sometimes I forget to add the new guys.
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so this waiting around for novateck is really boring me...
Ugh...
I'm sorry. I caught something nasty. I was lying on the couch for the better part of the past few days. But hey, I'm back now!
(As a side note, I will kill whoever takes the "disease" domain)
Hey Novatack, I'm thinking of having the eladrin invade the underdark. Want to RP some warforged?
Sure, why not?
Ritreude, I just want to say that I liked the little text you wrote about Borsos the Dwarf. It was very dramatic.
Thank you, I was not originally sure if I was going to put it in or not, or if so how much refinement it needed so its great to hear that you guys liked it.
i like those...
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I'm sorry. I caught something nasty. I was lying on the couch for the better part of the past few days. But hey, I'm back now!
(As a side note, I will kill whoever takes the "disease" domain)
Sorry to hear that man, hope you make a full recovery. I managed to get a lot of the rp material I had hoped for out with shadow, but id still love to run into Nocturne and some point so Drahthor could get a perspective on his philosophy.
Also, side note; Nibiru can change his size, but he's generally the size of the real world moon. I'm terribly amused by something that large zig-zagging.
As for a condensed history, the Wikia has a PP expenditure page that isn't that out of date, so you can get a rough idea of what has happened from that. But an actual condensed history is very far behind right now.
Want to get a bonus PP next time they are given out but feel you need a little sparkle to help distinguish your might endeavors? Well the Wikia is a splendid place to get that extra "something." I talked with Shadow and we are both happy to give out bonus PP for notable contributions to the Wikia.
This doesn't mean just keeping your pages up to date, rather it means stating out other people's creations and putting them on the Wikia. It means coming up with a classy, game-ready map of the world (here is an example of a nice map from last game, and here is another). It means seeing that someone else has been neglecting their pages and updating them for them. It means adding in a few turns to the Game History page.
I'll probably be trying to compile a list of specific things that can be done to help the wikia and posting them to the first page. It’s hard to say exactly what will get you a bonus PP, as those can also be influenced by RPing, but generally any significant contribution that makes the world easier to DM vastly increases the likelihood of a bit of shine coming your way.
And yes, we are attempting to bribe people into updating the wikia.
I am still waiting for the outer, iner an planes to have the editable text blocks like the World does.
I want to have blurbs there that people can skim and then they can click into it to find more specifics.
We can also put a tab for races and bestiary as well.
MassiveAttack, I like what Mara did with the astral bodies. However, it sounds like you made it so that only part of the inner world will receive light, by syncing the rotations of the storehouse and earth. Is that what you meant or were you going for something else?
Also, side note; Nibiru can change his size, but he's generally the size of the real world moon. I'm terribly amused by something that large zig-zagging.
Well... whenever Nibiru has done something it was pretty clearly implied he wasn't the size of a moon (crashing into the earth, going into the inner sphere). He has always seemed to me to be just a large asteroid. If he's bigger than Mara though... that's kind of weird...
Regarding the timing, no that wasn't what i meant.
Only a forth of the inner surface received light, and it advanced along the surface slowly, taking two outer days to complete one inner day, but light had returned to that place.
This is how it was originally. which I guess remains, so that a place in the inner sphere gets 12 hours of light every 48 hours.
In which case he would have a +2 bonus.
but im not sure how the combat rules work...
An example would be the Empress within her Jade Palace. Or any god fighting within her palace she chose to grant the bonus too. Or Eijra withihn the Feywild.
To my knowledge, Tahns does not have a combat artifact.
A cookie to anyone who gets the reference.
We'll talk IC another time then.
Edit: Just a though, but Couatls are typically intelligent. Are you just creating them as beasts?
Response to Edit: Yes. Though I may ascend one sometime in the future.
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5 - Veros, Xa'an, Chactross, Neko, Oravolos, Tsarokga-Noggoth, Thans, Drahthor
4 - The Void, Oreb Nahash, Shurka, Vymrl, Nocturne, Xirinet, Ythrexle, Eijra, Frellisk, Mara, The Empress
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Space Dragon and Ritreaude have been given an extra PP for this turn.
Cutting it pretty close, Massive.
I'm fairly sure she's at 4pp, yes?
And wow xir and shadow, you guys are filling up the mortal thread pretty fast, nice to see it get some use.
But yeah, the PP use seems kinda odd... looks interesting
So . . . . Chactross and Tahns are off clubbing a pregnant lady . . . . didn't see that one coming.
The pregnant lady who spent a PP causing the eladrin to learn crime and cruelty while their creator was down, and who insulted Tahns to his face a few turns back. Also, a pregnant lady whose pregnancy seems to be the cause of a great deal of annoying, content-free IC posts.
it should be pointed out that the Empress is within her jade palace (i can never remember the name) which i believe is a lesser realm giving her a +2 to combat.
Isn't she in the feywild, in mortal form? Or am I confused?
From what I can tell, her last post had her in a halfling village . . . which are all back on the Prime Plane.
Didn't Eijra suck all the halflings into the feywild? I've been sick, so my reading comprehension as of late might not be all that reliable. Did the halflings get sent back.
She needs to be clearer on where she is then. As is, the two of them still overwhelm her in her own demi-plane.
and shadow can we get a ruling on whether or not an exarch that provides a combat bonus can be used that round? I know if it is for pp expenditure actions than it cannot be used till the next round but is combat the same way.
And now im off to class, ill be back in probably about 3 hours to see what happens.
and first of the 2 classes was canceled
Ix looks kinda like the deep ones from Shadow Over Innsmouth. Think kuo-toa or sahaugin, but bigger and spikier.
I'm sorry you don't like how much I'm posting. I guess if you find it "annoying", I'll stop. I can see now, how other people who have dealt with things of this nature felt. If you didn't like how much I was posting, wouldn't it have gone much better if you'd have just sent me a PM to tell me to tone it down? No, instead you had to go and do that. I can see now why so many people decided to leave. I had gone into this, thinking it was a group of people getting together to make a world that was fun, interesting, and varied. Instead, it seems, it is a game where the winner is the one who destroys as many things of as many people as possible. Thank you, I am very impressed.
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I'm sorry you don't like how much I'm posting. I guess if you find it "annoying", I'll stop.
Thank you.
If you didn't like how much I was posting, wouldn't it have gone much better if you'd have just sent me a PM to tell me to tone it down? No, instead you had to go and do that.
No, the reason Tahns attacked you is because he saw you in a fight with Chactross, realized that you were the one who brought crime and infighting to the eladrin (which you did a turn or two ago), and figured that this would be a good opportunity to solve that problem. Chactross presumably has reasons of his own for attacking you.
To be completely clear, Tahns has had it out for you ever since you showed yourself after the frost giant invasion and declared yourself to be a lover of chaos and strife. Tahns has been more violent and unpredictable than usual ever since being defeated by Camu's god, and is out for the blood of anyone he has a grudge against.
Your overabundant posts might have made me slightly more eager to have him attack you than he would otherwise have been, but he still would have done it. He has solid IC motivations for attacking. If not the Empress, Tahns would have gotten into a fight with someone else before long.
I can see now why so many people decided to leave. I had gone into this, thinking it was a group of people getting together to make a world that was fun, interesting, and varied. Instead, it seems, it is a game where the winner is the one who destroys as many things of as many people as possible. Thank you, I am very impressed.
Your goddess has gone around causing trouble for the mortal world, and thus made enemies among the gods. And enemies fight each other. I apologize if the attack seems unprecipitated, but that's the peril of being an evil god(ess); you get the other gods ****** at you.
EDIT: so, are we in the mortal world or in the Empress' Realm? If the latter, Tahns and Chactross are about to get their rears handed to them.
Aradeia
Thank you, I appreciate you taking the time to explain your actions to me. I am sorry if you don't like how I write, or how I act IC. I thought the effort I put in was appreciated, I see, however, that I was mistaken, and maybe it is better used elsewhere. I am sorry for any inconveniences I may have caused.
Aradeia
In all honesty, it was stupid and immature of me to not mention OOC that I thought your rapid-fire posts were clogging up the thread. I'm sorry for not approaching you about that openly. However, I'm not an admin. I'm just one random player, with no more power over the game than you. My opinions count for no more than that either way. Feel free to ignore them.
I will NOT, however, apologize for attacking you IC. Your god messed with the eladrin and created evil creatures that did the same, my god (who was in a bad mood at the time) saw you get into a fight, and so the obvious thing happened. Gods fight each other sometimes, that's the game.
It was stupid, misleading, and inappropriate of me to mention not liking your posting style in the same post as Tahns' motivations, and for that I'm sorry.
On an unrelated note...
FF6, I got mixed up about how PP-generators work. I don't think I should have been able to create the sahaugin last turn. Should I take them back? They haven't interacted with anyone yet, so it would be easy to say they never existed.
As for the IC, I guess you did have reason. At the time I had first read your post, it seemed like it was just a random, unprovoked attack as mentioned offenses on my part happened quite a while ago. But now that you've explained yourself in a diplomatic way, I see now that I was wrong, and I appologize.
I also appreciate the appologies on your part. It was very diplomatic of you.
Aradeia
EDIT: And thank you Malltrick, I'm glad my effort wasn't completely wasted.
I do enjoy them, they are well written and thought out but post after post of nothing significant happening or being spent is a bit of a tedium.
Its like watching....dragon ball Z or a soap opera with episode upon episode of drama drawn out for one event with no real...finality to it.
I dont mean to post this to be mean, I reall do like the developement of your goddess and her place in the world. She is very interesting just wish I saw more cool actions to go with her cool dialogue and story arch.
The fact that we're on your plane for this is never clarified. I read through the posts just now, and the implication was that you were a mortal in the mortal plane near halflings.
while it was never clearly stated, we know that A)the only other person present was a hafling that we previously established lived in her domain B) we knew the building she lived in was a palace, as evidenced by her referring to it as such 3) it was a building that seemed to magically restock itself 4) Green and Jade were once again prominently featured 5) the place was practically abandoned with no other souls living there with both of its inhabitants not remembering a time when it was different.
And if anyone is confused about the little halfling girl at all i believe she was the one that was 'taken" by the taula in the mortal thread.
I do not know personally....
At this point, I think I'll wait until an admin clarifies which plane we're on, since the impression I got from the thread was that it was the mortal world. If we're in your world, Tahns will probably retreat, angrier and more better than ever before, and Chactross will probably follow suit. If not, the battle is likely to continue.
we are in the mortal world, it is a lesser plane within the mortal world but it is still her plane. If you had engaged her outside the doors however it would be a vastly different story.
The fact that we're on your plane for this is never clarified. I read through the posts just now, and the implication was that you were a mortal in the mortal plane near halflings.
No, I never said I left the Palace, I've always been there. The post about chopping the vegetables and potatoes was supposed to be in the kitchen in the Palace. I never said I left the Palace, and rather, made repeated references to the green stone walls and such. I don't really see where this is coming from, and, no offense, but it sort of seems like you're grasping at straws just so you can win the fight.
Aradeia
how in the world do battles get resolved when they are evenly matched?
I do not know personally....
evenly matched battles resolve without any clear victor or looser, I guess both sides just eventually withdraw and no one takes the negative combat penalty. It is briefly addressed in the wiki i believe.
As an evenly matched combat, nothing happens to anybody. All 4 are free to go as they wish.
.... or aradeia can open the doors like that
I'm going to assume that there are shadows within the palace?
Nocturne's not much for the "front door" method. The "pop out of the shadows" method is so much more fun! :D
A PP generator (artifact or exarch) does not work the round it is created, but a combat bonus can be used immediately, regardless of source.
Um... that kinda messes up one of my turns a while ago... I should be paying more attention.
And, wow, deicide. This should be good.
Edit: The rules say you get a base attack of PP that you got last turn. Does that include Admin Awards?
Um... that kinda messes up one of my turns a while ago... I should be paying more attention.
And, wow, deicide. This should be good.
Edit: The rules say you get a base attack of PP that you got last turn. Does that include Admin Awards?
I believe so. And Mech teaching the humites the basics of civilization would be a bit tougher than that. It would be 1pp for agriculture, 1pp for metalworking, 1pp for basic architecture, 1pp for weaving, etc etc.
They don't know metalworking either... mostly wood, bone, and stone equipment
.Edit: The rules say you get a base attack of PP that you got last turn. Does that include Admin Awards?
Yup.
I believe so. And Mech teaching the humites the basics of civilization would be a bit tougher than that. It would be 1pp for agriculture, 1pp for metalworking, 1pp for basic architecture, 1pp for weaving, etc etc.
Well it really depends on what one means by the basics of civilization. Merely forming a coherent community that can persist over several generations could be the basics of civilization. One could have a hunter-gatherer civilization, it just couldn't get too big. And architecture is indeed needed for building lasting structures, but even birds can build nests without specific knowledge.
So more information is really needed. But as I haven't caught up on whats been going on in the IC thread yet, maybe that is already there.
Well hopefully...
Poor Xi, some serious gender-identity issues that I have yet to explore.
yup, and let my story be a note to all other gods in this place. Kissing makes babies, use protection every time.
Yeah, even just touching is hazardous.
"Oops, I dropped my super-magical goddess rod."
"Okay, let me get it for you."
"No, there's no need."
*hands touch as they both go for it*
"Damnit Jim! Now I'm pregnant!"
Aradeia
PP Refresh
5 - Veros, Xa'an, Chactross, Neko, Oravolos, Tsarokga-Noggoth, Xirinet,
4 - The Void, Oreb Nahash, Shurka, Vymrl, Nocturne, Ythrexle, Eijra, Frellisk, Mara, The Empress, Thans, Drahthor
Comments
I just want to remind people again, please try to label your actions, and correctly. There is no Teach Populace action. Teaching a populace is a Guide Populous action. There is no Create Populous action, it's Shape Populous. If you are Nourishing a populous, even if you talk about the populace in your post, please specify the poulace in the expenditure. If you are teaching a populace something, be very clear what that teach includes. I know it sounds like I'm nitpicking, and I've made mistakes several times as well, but this makes it easy for me to keep records. If I make a mistake cataloging something because expenditures were not clear, it could very easily result in an error in my records, which could delay someone getting PP they are entitled too. I found such an error just a few turns ago. Thankfully, it didn't delay anybody, but it is a problem.
Next up, a single Nourish or Guide can only teach a single race, organization, or nation at a time. This is also a matter of records, as until I can find out who such actions are targetting specifically, they are not counted as having occured.
Finally, I know that some times it can be a PC issue, or a vacation, but I want to ask that we don't get in the habbit of making expenditures and describing them later. It's fine occasionally, but let's try not to make it a habbit.
Another thing would be, if you post and ask me to delay the refresh for a few minutes, because your working on a post, that would be fine as well.
Expect the complete IC text in a minute or two
My original plan was simply to create a nice little country for the Halflings to frollick around in and now a couple of wars has been fought there, four different races lives there and a couple of the major conflicts in the world has been staged in the Golden Hills.
I hope though that the Hills will continue to be a nice country and no horrible curses of death and destruction will be placed on it.
Kinda reminds me of the green crecent truth to be told. You know the area in the middle east where several powerful kingdoms where based once upon a time. Things changed and most of it is a desert by now which drove the people away from there to more habitable land.
I hope though that the Hills will continue to be a nice country and no horrible curses of death and destruction will be placed on it.
Well don't jinx it!
It already seems to be having some territorial disputes.
Well don't jinx it!
It already seems to be having some territorial disputes.
Well, I am just foreseeing a possible future. After all after having gotten invaded by Ice Giants and their mechanical necromancer allies. Gotten attacked by space bugs and several other nasty things I don't think a curse would be that terrible.
I have no plans though for casting a curse of death and destruction over the Golden Hills. The poor Halflings have suffered enough.
Name: Runescar
Domain: Battle Magic, Tactics, Utility Magic
Physical Appearance: Looks like a 7 ft. human in Hide armor with a longsword hanging by his side.
Symbol:Two swords crossed over an object similar to the pi symbol
Sweet! I got the 1000th post in the IC thread! :D
And they have the aid of light infantry in the vampire humites.
Imagine a giant eladrin- looking being that has a lot of strange tatooes. He has purple eyes with no pupils with dark brown hair.
I hunted down his description from his original post:
Imagine a giant eladrin- looking being that has a lot of strange tatooes. He has purple eyes with no pupils with dark brown hair.
Thank you very much.
Heh.
hey space dragon my gods form had 4 limbs total, 2 arms and 2 legs.
Oh...I thought it was more snakelike. Sorry, will fix.
Oh...I thought it was more snakelike. Sorry, will fix.
No i like the snakelike description, its just you said four arms and thats not really accurate. If you havn't seen the alien movies and dont know what the antagonist looks like heres the Wikipedia page
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alien_(Alien_franchise)
No i like the snakelike description, its just you said four arms and thats not really accurate. If you havn't seen the alien movies and dont know what the antagonist looks like heres the Wikipedia page
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alien_(Alien_franchise)
I know what the xenomorphs look like. I just didn't realize your appearance was quite as close to theirs as it is.
I know what the xenomorphs look like. I just didn't realize your appearance was quite as close to theirs as it is.
K, i had stated that they were what my appearance was based on when i originally wrote it up, but np
cant wait to start playing to hope to get in there soon
There is the continent on the outside, but also a chain of islands I believe. I think the humans are on the bare base of earth towards the south, but I could be wrong.
And there is a single continent on the inside of the planet, if I recall correctly.
Also, I was just wondering, how do I add a new page to the wiki? I wanted to detail the Dasa, but I'm not sure how. Thanks.
Aradeia
Go to this URL and click on the "Click Here to Start Page" link: http://lordsofcreation.wikia.com/wiki/Dasa
Actually, if you replace "dasa" with the name of the page you want to create, you'll be taken to a similar page for that. So if I wanted to finally post a page for my losalfar, I could simple go to http://lordsofcreation.wikia.com/wiki/Losalfar and poof, ready to create
:evillaughOh, you meant out of those two. Right, sorry.
Another question: On average, how long does it take for a person to be able to be a god? The next reset? Two resets?
i posted right after a saturday reset and got in on the tuesday one. In general id say one or two if your actively posting on the OOC thread so we know your actually interested and that you wont flake out. Also largely depends on how much the admins have going on.
Things along that line. Though, maintaining your interest does help.
unfortunately they've made it harder to add pages, for some reason.
Go to this URL and click on the "Click Here to Start Page" link: http://lordsofcreation.wikia.com/wiki/Dasa
Actually, if you replace "dasa" with the name of the page you want to create, you'll be taken to a similar page for that. So if I wanted to finally post a page for my losalfar, I could simple go to http://lordsofcreation.wikia.com/wiki/Losalfar and poof, ready to create
Okay, thank you, I'll start writing it up soon.
Aradeia
Aradeia
Couple of examples using the Eladrin.
Any Eladrin racial feats in the PHB - Covered in the creation of the race
Any Eladrin Fighter Feats in Martial Power - Covered in teaching of Fighter.
Eladrin Feats in the Forgottem Realms Player's Guide - This is were it gets interesting. These feats were designed to demonstrate the specifics of certain subraces within the campaign. These require a specific teach top introduce them.
Any Feats you wish to create yourself - As with the FRPG, these require a teach action.
Aradeia
Aradeia
Aradeia
The Ae-Sylvani are plant hmnoids, they can easily be turned into fungus infected plant humanoids
No, I think 1 PP per tier of feats (Heroic, Paragon, and Epic) would be suitable. These aren't worldbuilding techs, but mechanical things for D&D itself. However, I'll be sending a PM to Thought to see if he agrees with me on this one, so please hold off on any racial feat teachings.
Aye, 1pp per tier is good.
PP Refresh
5 - Veros, Xa'an, Chactross, Neko, Oravolos, Tsarokga-Noggoth, Xirinet, Eijra
4 - Shurka, Vymrl, Nocturne, Ythrexle, Frellisk, Mara, The Empress, Thans, Drahthor
Why does no one choose to use Ascend God? It's been used like 4 times total. Thought, this system isn't very friendly to new people, I'd recommend making it easier for new people to join. For example, in PK's edition war anyone can join and jump in, and we welcome newcomers.
not involved in the edition war but im willing to bet the gods here have the possibility for a far larger impact and we want to make sure everyone understands the rules when they are coming in. That said, i do think we need to be a little more proactive about getting people into the game, but we cant ascend you until you get the go from an admin and even then it is incredibly expensive PP wise.
I am personally boycotting any more evil gods. :D
if you could explain it to me.
Why does no one choose to use Ascend God? It's been used like 4 times total. Thought, this system isn't very friendly to new people, I'd recommend making it easier for new people to join. For example, in PK's edition war anyone can join and jump in, and we welcome newcomers.
not involved in the edition war but im willing to bet the gods here have the possibility for a far larger impact and we want to make sure everyone understands the rules when they are coming in. That said, i do think we need to be a little more proactive about getting people into the game, but we cant ascend you until you get the go from an admin and even then it is incredibly expensive PP wise.
Well, it's expensive and doesn't always pan out. For example, Thought ascended Armisael's god, Cygnus. He posted for two turns, then decided he wasn't up to the game and backed out.
We wait a short time, mostly to insure the player is interested, rather than simply passing through. Rather not clog the wiki and history with gods who vanish. However, I will admit we've lapsed slightly, and taken too much time this time.
I'm not sure if what I just did on my turn was legal. If I need to spend PP to transport an artifact, or if I can't use one artifact as two, then let me know and I'll change it.
No need to pay to move your artifact. Though, if people were iving in it (see Vymrl's city, moving it would leave all those inhabitants without their home, unless you also paid to move them.
Final note, Aradeia , exactly where is that city you made?
Aradeia
Another questions though. It in within the Azure Aegis, or outside of it? This is an issue depending on if the Dasa breath air or aether.
From your comments, it is outside of the Jade Palace, so I need to add the Dasa to your PP calculations now since they've moved outside of your plane.
And just a reminder. While you can move the city for free, since it is an artifact, you will need to spend PP to move it's inhabitants.
Name: Runescar
Domain: Utility Magic (Moderate) Tactics (Lesser)
Physical Appearance: Looks like a 7 ft. human in Hide armor with a longsword hanging by his side.
Symbol:Two swords crossed over an object similar to the pi symbol
A lesser plane can be whatever you'd like it to be. Though, it cannot be endless like greater planes. As for size, I'd say no larger, internally, that say Greenland. The outside appearance can be whatever you'd like.
Yes, youo can make a fertile plane good for farming. And yes you have to teach a race how to farm.
A race is newly born with only the most basic of survival skills. Simple clothing, simple stone tools, gathering for food, and such.
More advanced skills (such as agriculture, blacksmithing, weaponsmithing, armorsmithing, sailing, carpentry, leatherworking) all must be taught.
...I'd recommend making it easier for new people to join. For example, in PK's edition war anyone can join and jump in, and we welcome newcomers.
Amusingly, if I had something to do over with the game, one of those things would be to slow down the influx of new players, though admittedly this would have been focused more towards the beginning of the game.
I certainly liked the chaos of so many gods, but it was a trade-off. While waiting to join sucks (I've been there myself in the last LoC game), it is very nice having the entrance of a new god be a special event that everyone takes notice of. Because it was rarer, it meant a little more. I know I had a warm fuzzy feeling when Gadabout (my then god) was first meeting the other gods. Its a little too easy for new gods to go unnoticed, in my opinion, in this game.
Anywho, enough nostalgia for now.
... but we cant ascend you until you get the go from an admin and even then it is incredibly expensive PP wise.
Actually, he and Malltrick had initial approval fairly shortly after they requested to join the game; once their name appears on the waiting list in the first post (I try to keep that up to date) they can be ascended whenever anyone is willing to spend the PP.
If no one is willing to spend the PP, they have to wait until we admins think there is a good time for a new god to enter (which can be influenced by how many gods have recently entered, the events in game, if there is justification for their domain, if there are any concerns over the player or god concepts, etc). One might call this final approval. Ascend actions just need initial approval, but appearing in game without someone spending PP requires final approval.
Well, it's expensive and doesn't always pan out. For example, Thought ascended Armisael's god, Cygnus. He posted for two turns, then decided he wasn't up to the game and backed out.
So true. Which is sad, since Armisael seemed so excited. Same happened with Mostly_Ghostly/Oreb Nahash (who I also ascended); though, to be fair, he had an unexpected obligation for a few weeks that prevented him from posting never was able to catch back up with the game. At least Thans and Ythrexle have stayed around, else I might think I was cursed ;)
Half-Dragon, here, have a god-page: http://lordsofcreation.wikia.com/wiki/Runescar
As I've mentioned before, they've made the wikia harder to use with all the advancements lately. If people would find it useful, I could try to create a tutorial for using the wikia to help. Thoughts?
name: roan
greater domain: n/a
lesser: trickery / shadow / travel
alingment: unalinged
physical appearnce: a satyr
symbol: a simple flute twind with poinsan ivy
this is a link to my wiki
http://lordsofcreation.wikia.com/wiki/User:Malltricks
i glad your taking the chance on me!!!
also i was just wondering i am verry confused on some peoples alingment
like xa'n and tahns and veros
also i was wondering about plusses to combat how many can you have and how much pp does it cost to make a artifact with cambat bonus allso i saw that some people cumbine combat bonus and pp bonus in one artifact is this legal it doesnt say in wiki rules
But it’s also a moderate domain. Things like sailing, roads, etc, could all potentially be seen as components of it.
As is Trickery, as noted previously.
And I am tempted to say that "shadow" is a moderate domain as well (being a byproduct of light), but could also see it being lesser (having no byproducts itself that I can think of), so I'll let Shadow make the call.
But you'll need to at least choose between Travel and Trickery
On that note, punctuation is highly recommended.
What regarding alignments do you find confusing? Xa'and, Veros, and Thans all seem to be capable of what is perceived as good and evil at various times, where as Tsarokga-Noggoth is a little more consistently evil and Eijra seems more consistently good.
As for artifacts, you can combine bonuses on a "single" artifact, but each bonus must be paid for separately. The fact that it is on a single artifact is just fluff. It is 3pp to give an artifact a pp generating bonus, but it is only 2pp to give it a combat bonus. Thus, I could add a combat bonus to Xa'an's artifact by paying 2 additional pp. Or I could make a completely new artifact for 2 pp that gives a combat bonus.
As for the max number of bonuses; for PP generation, you can only use one per keyword per turn, but you can have as many generating a specific keyword as you like. For example, my artifact produces a Nourish PP. I could create another artifact (or exarch) that produces a Nourish PP, but I could only use one or the other each turn, not both. Why would I want to make another? Simple, my artifact is currently in the center of the earth; I won’t be using it in the outer aether (though I could, I don't think it would make sense so I won’t). Thus, another could be useful.
As for combat bonuses... huh, I thought we had a rule on the wikia that your max bonuses from artifacts and exarchs combine was your base PP - 3, but I can't seem to find that rule on the wikia so I might be imagining it. Let’s see what Shadow says. But regardless, you can have more combat artifacts in the game, you just wouldn't be able to get a benefit from them all at the same time.
Not particuarly. It is an artifact, so you're free to have it float wherever you'd like.
Another questions though. It in within the Azure Aegis, or outside of it? This is an issue depending on if the Dasa breath air or aether.
From your comments, it is outside of the Jade Palace, so I need to add the Dasa to your PP calculations now since they've moved outside of your plane.
And just a reminder. While you can move the city for free, since it is an artifact, you will need to spend PP to move it's inhabitants.
I guess it is inside the Aegis. I think it would make more sense for them to breathe air. Also, as to the spending PP to move them outside of my plane, I had just sort of assumed they had moved there of their own free will. If that doesn't make sense, I guess I could spend PP on it, but I don't have any left this turn. And yeah, if I ever move the city, I'll be sure to spend PP to bring the Dasa along with it. Thanks.
Aradeia
As for combat bonuses... huh, I thought we had a rule on the wikia that your max bonuses from artifacts and exarchs combine was your base PP - 3, but I can't seem to find that rule on the wikia so I might be imagining it. Let’s see what Shadow says. But regardless, you can have more combat artifacts in the game, you just wouldn't be able to get a benefit from them all at the same time.
In the Basic Rules section of the wiki under the artifact/exarch section it states
"You may only utilize up to 4 artifacts or exarchs providing a combat bonus simultaneously"
And half dragon infernal, could you please add some description to your posts, merely putting in your Gods actual dialogue and nothing else is leaving me at a loss..
"I need somewhere to control. A nice field and forest would be nice. I say, It shall be named Cororan
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How is it that there is so little battle! I must create some myself, and they shall worship me. They shall be self-healing also. They will learn the art of war later, when I have gathered my strength.
2 PP: Create Plane (Lesser): Runescar creates the Demi-plane Cororan, accessible through the great plains where the Shadar-Kai live.
3 PP: Shape Population (Moderate): Runescar creates War Trolls to act as his servants and worshippers, to reside largely on Cororan.
1 PP: Guide Population (Lesser): Runescar instructs the War Trolls that he is their creator, and that they shall worship him.
Doesnt actually tell me much of anything. Instead why don't you try something like
Casting his gaze over the world into which he had been born, Runescar felt that something was missing. While newly birthed, he desired a place of his own to rule, so speaking to himself he stated "I need somewhere to control. A nice field and forest would be nice.' And as he spoke these words a vast block of land seemed to rise out of the ocean, and then in minutes trees and grasses began to grow. In a matter of moments an enviornment that would have taken decades to grow naturally had been created. "I say, It shall be named Cororan"
Then, desiring beings to worship and serve him, Runescar began to create a race which he would call the War Trolls to live upon his new land..... etc, etc, etc.
moderate: trickery
lesser: shadow
is that good
let me know when i can join ic im amped
also how does the mortal thread flow with the ic thread i mean time is flying by at 500 yrs a week how that work for mortals
Malltrick. try using proper capitilization (capitalization?). It hurts my eyes to read your posts.
If your going to be a grammar Nazi please try to do it right.
I will try and be more gramatical in the future
allright that makes sense. I will go with then so i gusse that makes my domains
moderate: trickery
lesser: shadow
is that good
let me know when i can join ic im amped
also how does the mortal thread flow with the ic thread i mean time is flying by at 500 yrs a week how that work for mortals
Looking forward to having you. The mortal thread is not actually a continues thing, in general if we have something occurring in the IC thread that would require a large amount of mortal interaction than we have that occur simultaneously in the mortal thread. Examples being setting up a trade route, the minor skirmish and hostilities between the Dwarves/Halflings and the Eladrin earlier on, and any number of other things. As such, if we have a mortal story that starts and at the same time the IC thread progresses 500 years it would be safe to assume that the mortal story just took place in the time immediately following the IC post that spawned the story.
If your going to be a grammar Nazi please try to do it right.
Well if you're going to...
...you know what, screw it. Fighting over grammar is stupid.
Well if you're going to...
...you know what, screw it. Fighting over grammar is stupid.
Agreed, so let's stop it all together?
allright that makes sense. I will go with then so i gusse that makes my domains
...
let me know when i can join ic im amped
If you want to stick with Shadow we'll need to wait until ff6Shadow can weigh in. As I said, I'm inclined to say it's a moderate domain but I'm not positive.
Agreed, so let's stop it all together?
Yes...
...although, I do think that we should have a degree of formality in the IC thread. It doesn't need to be perfect or really strict enforcement, but at the minimum we should have capitalized sentences, punctuation, capitalized "I"s, and quotation marks.
In this thread I don't care - If I can't read it, I won't.
Just figured out how to make new pages on the wiki: Type something in the basic editor, save it, then edit your page to how you want it to look.
You can copy an already made page and then just change it to apply to what you're adding. For example, to make the skelk beast, I copied the Fire Monolith's page, but changed the name and the stats on it.
This makes adding new pages faster.
EDIT: After you've been in the game for a while, and have a bigger impact on the world, you'll get 5 a turn rather than 4. (Then there's also admin choice awards.)
If you have any coments or sugestions on my wiki pages I would love to hear them.any gods that want to ascend me are welcome to. The nature of the gods goddess that help make me will influnce how I play my god. that is why i asked about alignment earlyer.
i will ascend anyone who wants play a good god.
I am personally boycotting any more evil gods. :D
Nocturne's not evil! He's just misunderstood!
Like the Borg! Or the Daleks! Or Cthulhu!
Thought
Yes, that single mountain near the middle is Nibiru's mountain. I didn't recall if you named it, so I couldn't mark it.
As for combat modifiers, it may have gone missing, but the cap on artifact/exarch based combat modifiers is 4.
Malltrick
All three of those domains are moderate. Shadow, while not having much in the way of offshoots for lesser domains, is the direct mixing of two greater domains, light and darkness. This makes it moderate in my opinion. Also, correct spelling would help as well. I'm having a lot of trouble reading your posts.
As for combat modifiers, it may have gone missing, but the cap on artifact/exarch based combat modifiers is 4.
Thought is correct. You cannot mix your starting PP with your starting domains.
You also cannot start with Song, unfortunately. While I disagreed with the earlier decision to unlimit domains to a single god, I do remember several decisions that were made regarding it. Eijra was created with the Song domain. While other gods can claim it, nobody else is permitted to actually start with it.
Aradeia
No need to pay PP to move them out of your plane, as it's not any teleportation or anything, like Eijra's moving of halflings and dwarves.
General statements.
The mortal thread has no connection to the flow of time in the IC thread. You can literally date your posts back several turns. Though, I advise not having mortal stories your directly involved in try and occur before your god exists. Doesn't make much sense.
(This is completely off-topic, but where did this "Dungeon Keeper" title I have come from? Has it been here a while?)
Novatack, how exactly do did Nocturne "noticed that many of the deities began to draw up plans, preparing to battle the fungal creatures."
Considering you aren't on Ythrexle's island, last I heard. Your god has absolutely no in-character reason for being able to know that.
Edit:
Agreed, we should get in that habbit.
If you're looking god to god, look for a god you might have a reason to notice, and figure out something you want to talk to them about. . . or make a spectacle of yourself, and hope somebody investigates.
I distinctly recall one time last LoC that a god battle almost broke out over an exarch's actions.
Who's got the War domain, I noticed it's taken? My exarch counts as a mortal, so I'll probably RP him.
I believe Vyrml picked up the war domain a while back when the Giants invaded the golden hills?
If someone could give me a post number I'll do it.
looks like the PP expenditure page is up post 540 in the IC thread, bottom of page 18.
my gosh I better go read the in character thread.
Her is my idea of the outer aether sea.
trackless sea of aether tons of open space broken up by:
- Valin tree globe forests, some very large ones some small ones drifitng slowly in the aether. They are inhabited by wisps, and a number of small aether creatures, such as snakes, pyre beatles, stirges, spores, fungus and aether sharks.
* Spakill aether ray pods travel the trackless sea from forest to forest feeding.
* Aether Sharks (need a name) do as well hunting Spakiils
* A Dozen wild Zaratan's travel around as well
* Four Zaratan Ae-Sylvani colonies travel around both seas right now
Key features:
Tasarok Hive Cities (how many?): Above the continent in the northern Hemisphre are the hive cities of the Tasarok and there spreading plague spores and black blight.
Twin Moons of Mara
Over the Norther Bore Hole two valin forest colonized by the Ae-Sylvani. Yurna and Obari.
Over the Souther Bore Hole Two large Ae-Sylvani valin forest colonies Huru and Seraiki.
Aradeia
God, I've been missing crap left and right this last week or so. Maybe I need to take a break from the game for a little while.
Eh, we'll finish this conversation first. Let's say I grabbed a Talua from someplace else; maybe it was a stupid one that was running around stomping on kittens outside of the Palace.
How the hell did I miss that???
God, I've been missing crap left and right this last week or so. Maybe I need to take a break from the game for a little while.
Eh, we'll finish this conversation first. Let's say I grabbed a Talua from someplace else; maybe it was a stupid one that was running around stomping on kittens outside of the Palace.
Np, we can just say you created a pseudo taulau on the spot or that the Eladrin had managed to drug one a keep it from killing itself when they captured it. No big deal that you pulled one out, just might want to edit the post a little bit.
Talua can't fly (to the best of my knowledge), so it would have probably been walking toward Mt. Gargoth. Perfect!
Yeah but the Palace is currently floating in the sky way up in the aether I believe with a city developing around it.
Thought my wiki page is what i invision for every section for the inner and outer world, how do i do that on all te pages!
I will help update the wiki (I have said I would and begged to since day one)
since ultimately the wiki is what we are making to represent the game world we are making.
the silly in character posts are what mean next to nothing in the end, but they are damn sure fun! :D
She sent it on wings of magic, but that is a technicality. The point is, at least one Talua is around for him to burn to a crisp.
OOOOOOh that one, yeah actually thats pretty funny :D
Just to make it clear:
My intent from the very beginning was for Tahns to fall. He's now a hair's breadth away from where I want his turn to evil to take him.
Alright, I'll grab the one that was flying toward me.
Just to make it clear:
My intent from the very beginning was for Tahns to fall. He's now a hair's breadth away from where I want his turn to evil to take him.
This should be interesting...
is it to late to get in on this action? i'm not opposed to reading all of this and getting caught up ... this sounds like a lot of fun, never really looked at it until just now.
Probably a good idea to post a stat block for your god as a start :D .
Space Dragon your going Evil? man how man evil gods does that make it now?
Well heck I guess so I dont need to take my shoes off I should count good gods.
Eijra, Shurka..and well presently my god is good trying to reaffirm the balance of power...so 3 against like 10?
The two new gods are they good?
Looking on the map they will be North West of the Eladrin North of the Shadar-Kai. Deep in the forest though not to be stumbled upon foraging or hunting near there lands.
Space Dragon your going Evil? man how man evil gods does that make it now?
Well heck I guess so I dont need to take my shoes off I should count good gods.
Eijra, Shurka..and well presently my god is good trying to reaffirm the balance of power...so 3 against like 10?
The two new gods are they good?
Yeah, that's why I haven't finished my fall yet. I want to make sure the world is at least somewhat stable before I do.
Looking on the map they will be North West of the Eladrin North of the Shadar-Kai. Deep in the forest though not to be stumbled upon foraging or hunting near there lands.
Space Dragon your going Evil? man how man evil gods does that make it now?
Well heck I guess so I dont need to take my shoes off I should count good gods.
Eijra, Shurka..and well presently my god is good trying to reaffirm the balance of power...so 3 against like 10?
The two new gods are they good?
I keep saying it, Drahthor is not evil he is neutral.
is it to late to get in on this action? i'm not opposed to reading all of this and getting caught up ... this sounds like a lot of fun, never really looked at it until just now.
Of course; just give us a stat block (as per the first post), the admins'll look it over and most likely approve it (possibly with some feedback). Then you'll just need to wait a turn or few to be allowed in (or convince some one/ones to ascend you early).
Space Dragon your going Evil? man how man evil gods does that make it now?
3 or 4 actually evil gods, with a lot of Evil-leaning gods. Xa'an, for example, isn't exactly evil. He's childish, selfish, and short-sighted. So evilish, but he does good things occasionally.
Thought my wiki page is what i invision for every section for the inner and outer world, how do i do that on all te pages!
Looks good, as for doing that on all the pages: edit them? I'm not quite sure what you mean, since there isn't any barrier I'm away of that should prevent you from doing it. Do you need new pages? A flow-chart for page layout? etc?
Looking on the map they will be North West of the Eladrin North of the Shadar-Kai. Deep in the forest though not to be stumbled upon foraging or hunting near there lands.
Space Dragon your going Evil? man how man evil gods does that make it now?
Well heck I guess so I dont need to take my shoes off I should count good gods.
Eijra, Shurka..and well presently my god is good trying to reaffirm the balance of power...so 3 against like 10?
The two new gods are they good?
Well, one made trolls, so that's leaning toward no.
The funny thing is, I was going to make Shurka kinda have a dark side which would be odd for a god of healing, but when I saw how many of the other gods had these evil tendancies... I thought it would be a little too much.
Smiths would be a lesser domain, as would be goldsmithing (or silversmithing, etc), but the general category of manipulating metal is a moderate.
Greater Domain: -
Moderate Domain: Music
Lesser Domain: Joy
Alignment: Unaligned
Physical Appearance: Il'tharas appears as a medium sized satyr/minotaur like creature with the scales and head of a dragon, though he stands more than 50 feet tall. His scales are perfectly mirrored, reflecting all light that shines against them. Il'tharas is never without his mandolin. He travels travels the planes making beautiful music; he tries to spread joy to anyone he can reach and when he plays his mandolin, his music can be heard for miles around.
Symbol: A Mandolin painted with grape vines.
God Name: Il'tharas
Greater Domain: -
Moderate Domain: Music
Lesser Domain: Joy
Alignment: Unaligned
Physical Appearance: Il'tharas was the fated offspring of a female song dragon who fell in love with a satyr. Il'tharas appears as a medium sized satyr with the scales and head of a dragon. His scales are perfectly mirrored, reflecting all light that shines against them. Il'tharas is never without his pipes and travels the planes making beautiful music; he tries to spread joy to anyone he can reach.
Symbol: A set of pipes wound in grape vines.
sounds good, except we do not really have satyr's in the world
Third person seems to work best so that it is always clearly defined who is who and what they are doing and where.
just a suggestion mind you.
This is my stat block as it stands now
Name: Roan
Greater Domains: N/A
Moderate Domains: trickery , travel
Lesser Domains:forest , black smith
Shared Domains: N/A
Alignment: Unaligned
Physical Appearance: Roan looks like a strikingly handsome satyr
Symbol: a wooden pipe twined with poison ivy
I thought smith craft would be lesser because it is a skill but if you think it is moderate then I will edit to fit I will pick black smith for now
What is the ruling on upgrading a domain can I say make my black smith domain into smith craft with one pp next round or do I need spend two??
What is the ruling on upgrading a domain can I say make my black smith domain into smith craft with one pp next round or do I need spend two??
Domains cannot be upgraded, as such your still claiming a new domain and will have to pay 2pp for smith craft.
Malltricks:
Well smithing covers a huge range of potential domains. It might contain smiths themselves, goldsmithing, silversmithing, etc. Its more of a category of skills than a specific skill itself.
There is no savings for "upgrading" stuff, domains included. The blacksmith domain and the metalworking domain are two separate things; one can't become the other. So yes, you'd need to pay 2 to claim metalworking (or smithing, or smithcraft, depending on how you like to term it). This also means that if you want to upgrade a species you have to spend the PP like you are creating a new species, same with artifacts and so on.
you made beholders and taught them how to enslave people dude...
shadowmade vampires and those epic undead guys whos name escapes me right now...he is evil as well.
Sounds good to me. It will give me a little more time to catch up on what has happened since march and the PP expend timeline on the wiki stopped getting updated.
It never stopped being updated. It just gets updated slowly. Each week, another week seems to be added to it, so we're usually about a month behind.
PP Refresh
5 - Veros, Xa'an, Chactross, Neko, Oravolos, Tsarokga-Noggoth, Xirinet, Eijra, Thans
4 - Shurka, Vymrl, Nocturne, Ythrexle, Frellisk, Mara, The Empress, Drahthor, Runescar, Roan
Oh? What are you planning? If it's of interest to Veors, I'd be willing to help.
Well, as the God of Secrets you should appreciate this.... its a secret :D
Anyways, okay. Just thought I'd ask. If you want help, feel free to approach Veros. He is always interested in helping people out.
Heh, but nothing is secret to the god of secrets. :D.
Anyways, okay. Just thought I'd ask. If you want help, feel free to approach Veros. He is always interested in helping people out.
well at this point im going to be creating more biodiversity, some sea creatures, worms perhaps, im even considering transporting some of chactross' dragons to some of the bigger chambers. If you would like to help creating more life, plant and animal, i would love the help. However, the first rule im gonna give to my sentient species is on the line of "have no other gods before me" and as such i feel hesitant to ask for help when it comes to them.
Yeah, I can't help you with sentient creatures then. If I help with a race, they are definitly going to throw some worship my way. And the "no other god before me" doesn't work well in my opinion, but I can't fault you for going with it.
If you want to create some highly magical non-sentient stuff though, I could probably be convinced to give you a hand.
I have nor interest or time any more to continue with LotC. Therefore I regretably have to say, that this is the end!
At least for me.
Hereby Eijra is dead.
I have nor interest or time any more to continue with LotC. Therefore I regretably have to say, that this is the end!
At least for me.
Hate to see you go; Eijra was a fun and interesting god, and a great contribution to the world. But I fully understand.
Thought: you and shadow are damn sure evil now...
you made beholders and taught them how to enslave people dude...
Well Beholders aren't necessarily evil. Remember, the flavor and fluff of this world can be different than the standard setting. Beholders could technically be lawful good. They aren't, but they could have been.
Is it just slavery that makes them evil? Perhaps perpetual economic servatude would have been more paletable? ;)
Besides, Xa'an's been relatively nice. He's never started a fight, I think he's only ever done one denourish (but I could be wrong), he's been relatively helpful to other gods when the opportunity arises, he's generally tried to make the world inhabitable, etc.
But yeah, I was intending to make an evil god of light. Light gods are generally too goody-goody.
Still! He could be still be considered good! Maybe.
hey are Thundercats go for Il'tharas yet?
I'm sorry, Shino, I wasn't around this last weekend. I'd have said yes, but the reset is in less than a day so now isn't a good time. However, unless Shadow objects, you have permission to start posting after the next reset (which is in, roughly speaking, 25 hours).
Hereby Eijra is dead.
I have nor interest or time any more to continue with LotC. Therefore I regretably have to say, that this is the end!
At least for me.
Might be interesting if someone who new her in character conducted a funeral calling for the Gods to attend. Could also provide a chance for some of the Gods to meet.
You are correct, a single Denourish, aimed at the pillar of light very early on.
Mehcalibur.
These log in problems suck. However, I find refresh 3-5 times usually corrects the issue. Understandable thought.
Shinobicow
Essentially, you wanted in directly before a refresh. And as a general rule of thumb (not set in stone though), I dislike letting new gods in during the short turn (Sat-Tues). As thought said, feel free to start posting tommorrow after the reset. You will have 6 PP at that time.
I will probably though remain in the OOC thread and take a look on the game a little now and then.
Like others said though. Your god was a very good one, my favorite as well. It sucks to see you go, us good guys needed your help!
now its me and shurka fighting back to back needing to cover all the angles of these malicious evil doers. We are woefully outmatched.
Personally if even one more evil god is thrown into the mix I might throw in the towel myself and call this world the devils playground or something.
sad to see you go!n the forces of light are deminished without you! we cannot call forth captain planet anymore!
Aww! now that makes more sense!
sad to see you go!n the forces of light are deminished without you! we cannot call forth captain planet anymore!
So i think our Gods should meet sometime soon, encompassing the duality of creation and destruction he has a lot of regard for the idea of balance....
Hate to see someone leaving, i doubt i can fill you shoes, but the forces of good are getting a new player (if i can roleplay worth a daman) and maybe a few cases of beer and a couple minstrels. Let the battle hymn of the republic begin!
Well, glad to hear i can start posting soon. I live in Japan, so i'm always trying to figure out the time change on this stuff, but i guess the reset starts pretty soon, so i'll hold off for another 12 hours or so and then do my first post.
Hate to see someone leaving, i doubt i can fill you shoes, but the forces of good are getting a new player (if i can roleplay worth a daman) and maybe a few cases of beer and a couple minstrels. Let the battle hymn of the republic begin!
It will be a bit more than 12 hours unfortunately, I believe it is something like 19 hours away. Thought or shadow will post when the reset takes place so you should know.
Ritre: I am not to hard to find. My home is a floating paradise in the center of the world! My God has a multi personality akin to your duality. Being that he encompasses all the states of nature in three easy to recognize forms.
Well...two these days the child is all but dead, especially with the death of Oravalos' sister, but i havent crafted that into our epic tale just yet.
Sweet shinobi! we wil be glad to have you.
Ritre: I am not to hard to find. My home is a floating paradise in the center of the world! My God has a multi personality akin to your duality. Being that he encompasses all the states of nature in three easy to recognize forms.
Well...two these days the child is all but dead, especially with the death of Oravalos' sister, but i havent crafted that into our epic tale just yet.
yes but my god has had no motivation to go to that place yet.
Tahns' use of their assistance is just fluff. I'm not making permanent allies or minions of these angels (at least, not yet), and I'm not changing their way of life or teaching them anything new. It just seemed more dramatic for Tahns to have a crew of angels helping him create his upcoming weapon, even though he doesn't need them, so I described it that way. I'll spend PP to Guide the angels if I want them to fight for me, or do anything else that Tahns (by the rules) couldn't do on his own.
Hopefully, this is okay with the admins.
sad to see you go!n the forces of light are deminished without you! we cannot call forth captain planet anymore!
Nah, the Forces of the Light are right where they wer- oh, you mean the good guys, not the Light ;)
Reset is roughly 17.5 hours away, varying slightly depending on whether Thought and I will both be online at the correct time.
There is a good chance I wont be on until right before the reset. Have a meeting that ends a half hour before hand, but they never end on time and there's always cleanup.
SD, from what you said it sounds fine to me.
Additionally, Camu, that exarch does not work. You cannot combine 5 PP from last turn with 1 from this turn to create a 6 PP exarch. Whatever you created with that 5 PP has to be done before you can add anything from this turn. So it could be a 3 PP exarch, with 2 PP of something else, but it would still require 3 new PP to make it a 6 PP exarch.
then a 3PP exarch fused with a 2PP combat artifact :D
and then pay 3PP to upgrade the exarch to 6PP?
Assume the land changing begins next turn
Eijra will always be remembered. Best of luck with whatever you're doing.
Angels are not divine servants, they are independent mercs. I'm not even sure if there are 500 angels currently in existence, considering there are no more than 15-20 human towns there probably isn't more than 300 in existence.
Now, Angels themselves are created in Riot. There is certainly a small contingent within Riot, but that's teh contingent called upon in rituals and not large enough to be an empire (yet). An angel that dies is replaced within riot (and is probably going to make its way to the prime plane over the course of a century, barring teleportation).
That said, obviously I made them to be used. More can be created in planes beside riot, if you guide them you need a way to have access to them obviously. Now I'm not sure if SD's borrowing falls under the heading of requiring a guide (they ARE a mortal race, independent of divine will beside that of whichever god they serve) or if it's considered entirely fluff. Obviously an admin made no call so it's gone down as the latter.
I'm going to encourage a guide if any god intends to gain a permanent contingent of Angels, they are in fact like any other race. They just never entirely serve more than one god at one time (as opposed to other mortals which will worship any god at any time).
In short: Angels follw the same rules (and courtesies) as any other mortal race. The price payed to have the option of forming an Angelic (or Angel-including) empire. Otherwise they'd be faceless NPCs (like beasts).
Yah, I'm back from my hiatus. Eijra wil be missed.
What I mean by mortal is that they are not divine. They are not subject to their creator's whims any more or less than a Human is. Of course they're excelent guide foder (because they are excellent soldiers).
PP Refresh
6 - Veros
5 - Xa'an, Chactross, Neko, Oravolos, Tsarokga-Noggoth, Xirinet, Thans
4 - Shurka, Vymrl, Nocturne, Ythrexle, Frellisk, Mara, The Empress, Drahthor, Runescar, Roan
Shino, you are good to start posting.
Shadow, Eijra has contracted a rather nasty case of death. Probably doesn't have 5pp, then.
Turn 17 begins now. 4,250 hundred years have elapsed since the beginning of existence.
PP Refresh
6 - Veros
5 - Xa'an, Chactross, Neko, Oravolos, Tsarokga-Noggoth, Xirinet, Eijra, Thans
4 - Shurka, Vymrl, Nocturne, Ythrexle, Frellisk, Mara, The Empress, Drahthor, Runescar, Roan
umm, can we let my post slide or since by the server clock you were two minutes early or did the PP i spent come from this turn?
Any objections?
Though please do add the PP expenditure notes.
Though please do add the PP expenditure notes.
Just did. Not having the 4.0 MM though would a purple worm be a Greater beast and a displacer a lesser? CR12 and CR 4 in 3.5 so i guestimated.
Just did. Not having the 4.0 MM though would a purple worm be a Greater beast and a displacer a lesser? CR12 and CR 4 in 3.5 so i guestimated.
The compendium might be useful for trying to figure out basic information for creatures (such as levels): http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/insider/compendium
Lvl 1 stuff is fully posted, I think, but to see higher stat blocks you need to subscribe (the System Resource Document was too useful, I suppose ;) ).
Purpel Worms come in two varieties, a lvl 16 and a lvl 24 version. So, greater beastie.
Displacer beasts look like they have a heroic and paragon tier instance as well, so they'd be moderate.
Shadow, Eijra has contracted a rather nasty case of death. Probably doesn't have 5pp, then.
So? This is D&D. Death is a revolving door around here. :D
Yeah, it's corrected.
As for Displacers and Purple Worms, displacers would fall under moderate. Purple Worms are, however, greater.
And it appears my clock is a minute or two fast. Still, waiting for the buzzer is a hazardous game. Your post is clocked in at 5, which is the refresh time. I'm not sure where I stand on this one. . . .
So? This is D&D. Death is a revolving door around here. :D
Sounds like a line from Ghost Busters.
"Death is but a revolving door, time but a metronome. I'll be back"
I'm gonna say that counts as last turn. Best not to wait until the buzzer, but it was so close I don't see a good reason why not.
Any objections?
Though please do add the PP expenditure notes.
So? This is D&D. Death is a revolving door around here. :D
Yeah, it's corrected.
As for Displacers and Purple Worms, displacers would fall under moderate. Purple Worms are, however, greater.
And it appears my clock is a minute or two fast. Still, waiting for the buzzer is a hazardous game. Your post is clocked in at 5, which is the refresh time. I'm not sure where I stand on this one. . . .
can i get a final ruling on this real quick then? Because how it is ruled will affect whether i keep the displacer beasts or change it to something else. And all i have to say when it comes to helping my case is this...
well then it looks like im done this turn. My own fault though, i should have been paying closer attention to the clock instead of flipping through the MM.So the first thing Il'tharas wants to do, seeing this realm of overwhelming evil gods, is to make a plane of songs where people become but ethereal melodies and music. Entering the plane causes people to lose corporality, gain the ability to fly through the plane of no gravity.
So, this would be a 4pp, create greater plane action.
The next thing Il'tharas decides is that the plane of music is to quiet and needs to be populated by happy singing peoples. He creates a race of beasts called greater song birds (low level beasts) to fill the plane. They live off the musical nature of the planes energy and sing back to it, renewing the plane.
So this would be a 1pp, spawn lesser beast action.
Let me know if i'm doing this right. I think i spent my 3pp to declare my domains already. Good to be playing with you guys. Sounds like its going to be fun.
The zaratan travel the world singing in the minds of all creature of the things they have seen. My Ae-Sylvani sing to the trees to form and grow them to there needs.
I also now have the spear of sorrow, hehe!, it sings a woeful tale of my sisters demise.
Just a bit of info that can lead you to some interesting places.
BTW, if you want to take any of my creatures I am extremely fine with that.
If I would be permitted to play, I would rather not be ganged up by the players.
I cannot think of anyone we have ganged up on, nor can I think of any reason why we would feel the need too.
Il'tharas is born into the world singing to the planes and sees that the world is overrun by evil. He begins his search for allies to hold away the darkness. But, first, he unfolds his spirit to create a greater plane of music in an alternate dimension.
So the first thing Il'tharas wants to do, seeing this realm of overwhelming evil gods, is to make a plane of songs where people become but ethereal melodies and music. Entering the plane causes people to lose corporality, gain the ability to fly through the plane of no gravity.
So, this would be a 4pp, create greater plane action.
The next thing Il'tharas decides is that the plane of music is to quiet and needs to be populated by happy singing peoples. He creates a race of beasts called greater song birds (low level beasts) to fill the plane. They live off the musical nature of the planes energy and sing back to it, renewing the plane.
So this would be a 1pp, spawn lesser beast action.
Let me know if i'm doing this right. I think i spent my 3pp to declare my domains already. Good to be playing with you guys. Sounds like its going to be fun.
why not go ahead and post an IC version of this is the thread :D
I cannot think of anyone we have ganged up on, nor can I think of any reason why we would feel the need too.
I would be Ahura Amon.. I remember the first one of these.
I would be Ahura Amon.. I remember the first one of these.
I was not involved in the first one of these so i cannot speak for anyone else, but i would not mess with you unless given your god gave me a reason too.
However, he did move them from his demi-plane to the prime plane. That does require a Guide Action, which must be noted in the IC thread.
As for the cookies and joke, its iffy. The cookies are fine, if odd. The joke though . . . that is something that isn't really appropriate, but it's not against the rules. I'm simply saying, the end goal is to create a usable campaign setting. Pepperring it with references like that, even said in passing by a god who is alone, and will neer be over heard by mortals or recorded, seems to move against that goal.
1)The Shattered Lands is temperate forest
2)Humans possess knowledge of carpentry, masonry, metalworking, and architecture
3)Humans tend to build with the landscape, rather than clearcut, agreicultural renovation is however commom (Moving a tree to allow the building of a house without harming the tree, etc)
Some things which might go a bit overlooked, as obviously I tend to only bounce in for afew posts at a ime and it's easy to miss one sentence of description (or a short post of teaching). As well as the Shattered Lands fluff being older than you.
I'm going to encvourage a quick revision of your post before I make any posts, with the following in mind:"
1)The Shattered Lands is temperate forest
2)Humans possess knowledge of carpentry, masonry, metalworking, and architecture
3)Humans tend to build with the landscape, rather than clearcut, agreicultural renovation is however commom (Moving a tree to allow the building of a house without harming the tree, etc)
Some things which might go a bit overlooked, as obviously I tend to only bounce in for afew posts at a ime and it's easy to miss one sentence of description (or a short post of teaching). As well as the Shattered Lands fluff being older than you.
Ok, i had read the shattered lands description when they were originally posted but could not remember it and could not find it when I went back, so i went by what I thought it was. Since it is a temperate forest, i will gladly go back and edit my posts, and im sorry for that.
3)Humans tend to build with the landscape, rather than clearcut, agreicultural renovation is however commom (Moving a tree to allow the building of a house without harming the tree, etc)
Ok i revised the post however this is giving me trouble and If I could please I need some help with it. I envisioned this place as a relatively new settlement, and given the harsh nature of the surrounding land security would most likely be its first concern. That being said, while the humans are more than capable of building a magnificent stone city (thats how I imagine the capital) this new border town would have neither the manpower nor the time in which to construct a stone wall or stone houses. They are technologically well beyond mud huts, and the mud-brick houses (think of adobe brick housing in Arizona) that I originally imagined were not suitable to the forest environment. With wood being the most abundant material I would imagine they would use it to full advantage at first, even though the community might have reservations about so harming the forest. So can anyone think of a way that I can reconcile these two things?
The first step the humans are going to take is to create a "natural" palisade by maneuvering trees into a solid wall, Deadwood and stone is used to reinforce the palisade.
Once complete buildings are constructed, leaving as many trees as possible unharmed but cutting those down they need to work with.
Settlements are created around natural clearings, providing a clear spot for gatherings without needing to damage a large portion of the landscape.
Humans have both Warden and Shaman, as well as Angels of Protection (actually all angels,who "rent" land and resources in exchange for service, in accordance with Xi's command). Note that Angels are not prolific, expect no more than 15-20 in a given settlement (and less in a smaller settlement). Because of their classes and "defense pact" they tend to have fairly effective city guards, necesarry in the Shattered Lands where even the capital city is far from safe (its shadowy corners infested with spiders and other dangerous beasts).
Respect for the land and hippy-esque fanatacism toward kepping it (unrealistically) whole are very different things. Humans have respect, and will work WITH the land rather than cause massive damage to it.
The Shattered Lands themselves are a cross between Forest, Mountain, and Plateau. They are a natural warren of mazes and dead ends, and if you are unfamiliar straying off the few "clear" paths is disastrous. Even between hukman settlements there are fgew well-traveled routes, the preference for the population to moving along water routes and trhrough game trails (as well as Nature training in the majority of the people) mean that roads as we know themdon't develop. Rather only major trade routes (used by outsiders to trade with humans) produce clear roads.
Building with isn't avoiding all damage, it's avoiding unnecessary damage.
The first step the humans are going to take is to create a "natural" palisade by maneuvering trees into a solid wall, Deadwood and stone is used to reinforce the palisade.
Once complete buildings are constructed, leaving as many trees as possible unharmed but cutting those down they need to work with.
Settlements are created around natural clearings, providing a clear spot for gatherings without needing to damage a large portion of the landscape.
Humans have both Warden and Shaman, as well as Angels of Protection (actually all angels,who "rent" land and resources in exchange for service, in accordance with Xi's command). Note that Angels are not prolific, expect no more than 15-20 in a given settlement (and less in a smaller settlement). Because of their classes and "defense pact" they tend to have fairly effective city guards, necesarry in the Shattered Lands where even the capital city is far from safe (its shadowy corners infested with spiders and other dangerous beasts).
Respect for the land and hippy-esque fanatacism toward kepping it (unrealistically) whole are very different things. Humans have respect, and will work WITH the land rather than cause massive damage to it.
The Shattered Lands themselves are a cross between Forest, Mountain, and Plateau. They are a natural warren of mazes and dead ends, and if you are unfamiliar straying off the few "clear" paths is disastrous. Even between hukman settlements there are fgew well-traveled routes, the preference for the population to moving along water routes and trhrough game trails (as well as Nature training in the majority of the people) mean that roads as we know themdon't develop. Rather only major trade routes (used by outsiders to trade with humans) produce clear roads.
Wow this actually helps a heck of a lot, might it be posted on the wiki?
If you wanna copypasts it into the "Shattered Lands" or "Empire: Alexandria" headings sure. If not, it'll be gotten around to as I work out the formatting I wanna use.
And yah: I've given thought to this kind of stuff. I know a little about engineering amd architecture so I work things out before I start posting wantonly (at least when it comes to cities and such).
Yah I've had intentions of getting this kind of stuff on tyhe wiki for a while now.
If you wanna copypasts it into the "Shattered Lands" or "Empire: Alexandria" headings sure. If not, it'll be gotten around to as I work out the formatting I wanna use.
And yah: I've given thought to this kind of stuff. I know a little about engineering amd architecture so I work things out before I start posting wantonly (at least when it comes to cities and such).
Yeah, I tried to edit my post to say that the settlement sat in a clearing and that the palisade incorporated these large trees to try and fit with the architecture some more. Sense the settlement sat in a natural clearing there would not be any trees within the palisade that they would have to build around though, so besides changing the building material to wood and making the temple be constructed of blocks of granite I did not change much. As far as the number of angels, the way I figure it Drahthor saw a few on the palisade, and was surrounded by 5 or 6 in the courtyard, with maybe 4 or 5 more inside the temple for a grand total of lets say 14 for this village, so i hope that's not too drastic a number?
Xi is special :D
Did you read the previous LoC by any chance?
Sounds about right, I responded obviously.
Xi is special :D
Did you read the previous LoC by any chance?
cannot say that i did, i have not been active on these boards for long.
I had just wondered if you had read my LAST god... He was less understanding than Xi (but filled essentially the same niche).
Domain: Spirits
Symbol: A silvery circle against a black background.
Appearance: A whisper in the wind, a fickle ghost-like goddess with long, pitch-black hair. She flickers like a weak candle sometimes clear and visible but other times vague and nearly invisble to the eye.
Alignment: Neutral
I am slightly suprised that I am here once more...but truth to be told I have missed LotC. Even though I have much to do at the moment, I still think I will be able to continue this if I am allowed a new start.
Even if you have a lot to do it's okay. Your posts are always fun to read, so I hope you can enter soon!
Sorry I've been away so long. I got sick again. (Lousy immune system).
Anyway, it's time for a belated "I'm sorry to hear that you're leaving Aldii; I'm glad to see that you're returning, Aldii."
Got to admit, it should be a pleasant surprise.
huh?
ok well I guess so!
on with th show!
SHADOW: I uh..made a reply on top of page 40...and no one replied and everyone left.
I guess Ill press on.
I am slightly suprised that I am here once more...but truth to be told I have missed LotC. Even though I have much to do at the moment, I still think I will be able to continue this if I am allowed a new start.
Turn 18 begins now. 4,500 hundred years have elapsed since the beginning of existence.
PP Refresh
6 - Veros
5 - Xa'an, Chactross, Neko, Oravolos, Tsarokga-Noggoth, Xirinet, Thans, Shurka
4 - Vymrl, Nocturne, Ythrexle, Frellisk, Mara, The Empress, Drahthor, Runescar, Roan, Il'tharas, Zophiah
Aradeia, teaching a populace a new skill is 2 PP, not 1. Please let me know when you have corrected this mistake.
Oh, yeah, sorry, I had meant to do that initially. I changed it now.
Aradeia
1. Do something big that will attact attention. However, the wrong thi scould get you the wrong kind of attention ;)
2. At this point, approaching the correct areas can get your attention. Tahns holy temple in the mountains tends to attract his attention. I imagine approaching the sun would as well. Investigating my workshop might get my attention. Tsaroka-Noggoth is easy to find (just look for the massive fungues in distant orbit). Oravolos usually hangs out on his island in the center of the world.
Two easy method.
1. Do something big that will attact attention. However, the wrong thi scould get you the wrong kind of attention ;)
2. At this point, approaching the correct areas can get your attention. Tahns holy temple in the mountains tends to attract his attention. I imagine approaching the sun would as well. Investigating my workshop might get my attention. Tsaroka-Noggoth is easy to find (just look for the massive fungues in distant orbit). Oravolos usually hangs out on his island in the center of the world.
Warning with entering the Temple of Tahns though, ive done this twice now and in light of his reactions both of those times and the recent mood swing the God has taken entering the Temple might prove unwise...
Name: Siccadan
Domains: Moderate: Language Lesser: Books
Physical Description: A very old man with a long, thin beard. He wears voluminous robes that are deep blue, and trimmed with silver. He carries around a massive tome in which he writes ever word ever spoken, and a few that he has invented himself.
Symbol: A stylized "A" (or the first letter of the worshipper's alphabet).
Nah, the main point is that I want to be sure to have a home base for my character and a "fortress" of some sort for her to retreat to. Where I am completly sure that she will get bonuses to her attack abillity and such things.
On the upside, it is a good move to make a homebase, as I made the plane Combat Neutral. No god gains a combat bonus while within it.
Oh, okay, thank you. Here goes.
Name: Siccadan
Domains: Moderate: Language Lesser: Books
Physical Description: A very old man with a long, thin beard. He wears voluminous robes that are deep blue, and trimmed with silver. He carries around a massive tome in which he writes ever word ever spoken, and a few that he has invented himself.
Symbol: A stylized "A" (or the first letter of the worshipper's alphabet).
Hey Grim,
Unfortunately the weekends an oddly bad time to join, but I'll talk with Shadow and hopefully you'll be cleared to enter on Tuesday's reset. We'll let you know.
Also, speaking of home-bases, does Shurka get a combat bonus in the Feywyld ever since I claimed the Fey domain, or is that neutral now?
I forgot you claimed that domain, too... then again you have 14PP worth of them, so I see why I forgot ;)
Aye, Xa'an has a lot of domains. Hopefully he justifies having most of them, at least.
Saddly enough I had to go check my wikia page because I couldn't figure out what the last 3 were coming from (I had forgotten about Aether).
Aye, Xa'an has a lot of domains. Hopefully he justifies having most of them, at least.
You mind listing them all real quick?
Though, I admit my records are slightly off. I've been very busy trying to reorganize them.
As for Malltrick, that was the reason. Now I've got an excuse to hunt you down and have a talk. . . just as soon as I finish the half-a-dozen other things I'm in the middle of. Ah what I'd give to be in the last LoC, where I could be in mulptiple places at once.
And, we have our first devils.
Then again I guess Roan only knows what eijra knew.
First, no halflings continue to worship you. I negated it in it's entirety.
Second, that silver tree is another gods exarch. You have no busines dictating that it gave you a branch. Even if you did, the tree has only met it's creator and Eijra. It couldn't tell you anything about me if it wanted too.
As for the wikia, unfortunately, my PC refuses to allow me to access the wikia. I cannot update. (stupid ME Desktop)
What do you need to know, I'll fill in the blanks?
and im not sure what all your domains are and what your power total is I am trying to play my god according to those weaker then him and more powerfull and i know your more power full
Secondly i did not dictate that the tree gave me the branch it was fluf so that Roan would have some backround on world history the staff is inpowered by roans promis to the tree not by the tree.
Hey Grim,
Unfortunately the weekends an oddly bad time to join, but I'll talk with Shadow and hopefully you'll be cleared to enter on Tuesday's reset. We'll let you know.
Oh, okay, thank you.
As for the branch, fluff or not, you said the tree gave you a branch. The tree is not a mortal, it is a divine exarch. It is another players to RP and have it act as he wishes. You cannot say that it did something, just becuase your fluff needs it, with that players approval.
Veros
Greater Domains: Aether, Death, Knowledge, Magic, Secrets
Moderate Domains: Undeath
Lesser Domains: N/A
PP per turn - 6
Player: ff6shadow
Symbol: None
Description: A shadowy figure cloaked in this shadowy robes. His every movement leaves wisps of grey mist in it's wake.
Worshippers
Halflings
Doppelgangers
Eladrin
Dwarves
Humans
Sorrowsworn
Humites
Vampires
Succubus
Duska Krak (A nation composed of halflings, dwarves, and doppelgangers)
Loremasters (An organization composed of Dwarves, Doppelgangers, and Eladrin)
Do you need any other information?
Grim Poet, I'll okay you to begin posting tommorrow after the refresh. Seems like ours gods should get along.
Sorry about that, I know Grim OOC, and he used my computer to post something, I guess he forgot to log me out.
Also, it seems I need to start claiming some more domains... I have very little compared to some other players!
So the nation of Duska Krak, which is composed of halflings, dwarves, and doppelgangers, offer you worship. Any halflings which are beyond this nation, (taken elsewhere by a god, or those in Kalafi Krak) do not worship you.
Another similar situation is the case with my loremasters, and Space Dragons Avariels. All Avariels are eladrin, but no Avariel worships me, as I haven't guided them.
I planned to use Zopiah to mainly create new planes of existence, magical artifacts, monsters, beasts and to make the after-life more interesting.
Ritreaude, huh, you're right. Well, the Black Book was created via the divine, so that could justify the writing when the mortal didn't know how. Still, no one can read it...
Written Word does exist. Empress taught the Dasa how.
Tsarok-Hem know glyphs, probably counts for writing aswell
Ok, forgot about these two things. But as a widespread relied upon method of communication or instruction, the vast majority of the mortal races have no idea of its existence.
Good catch.
Looking back at glyphs, it seems you they were more magical and trap in nature, than actualy writing
Aldii may I use your tree like i did or would you like me to edit it?
I will make the fixes for you shadow and thanks for the new stat block can i know what artifacts you have.
Veros's Artifacts
Dimension Bulwark
Greater Artifact
Created Turn 4
Provides Gravity to the world. Provides 1 Mold PP
Azure Aegis
Greater Artifact
Created Turn 4
A physical barrier which seperates air and aether
Leylines
Greater Artifact
Created Turn 6
Provides an access to magical energy for mortal races. Provides Veros with Nourish PP. Provides Xirinet with Spawn PP (Added Turn 10)
Tome of Knowledge
Greater Artifact
Created Turn 13
Provides Guide PP.
Creation Forge
Greater Artifact
Created Turn 15
Provides Creation PP.
Staff of Veros
Greater Artifact
Created Turn 16
Provides Spawn PP
Orb of Visions
Lesser Artifact
Created Turn 18
Can be used to scry distant locations. Can also be used to speak to those being viewed.
Dimension Bulwark
Greater Artifact
Created Turn 4
Provides Gravity to the world. Provides 1 Mold PP
Azure Aegis
Greater Artifact
Created Turn 4
A physical barrier which seperates air and aether
Leylines
Greater Artifact
Created Turn 6
Provides an access to magical energy for mortal races. Provides Veros with Nourish PP. Provides Xirinet with Spawn PP (Added Turn 10)
Tome of Knowledge
Greater Artifact
Created Turn 13
Provides Guide PP.
Creation Forge
Greater Artifact
Created Turn 15
Provides Creation PP.
Staff of Veros
Greater Artifact
Created Turn 16
Provides Spawn PP
Orb of Visions
Lesser Artifact
Created Turn 18
Can be used to scry distant locations. Can also be used to speak to those being viewed.
That will make things easier, Zophia will probably mostly act as a guardian for the After-Life and work to ensure that mortals will at least find peace in the after-life.
-But keep in mind that humites settle around the tree.
if I got the wrong location sorry let me know and I will edit
PP Refresh
6 - Veros
5 - Xa'an, Chactross, Neko, Oravolos, Tsarokga-Noggoth, Xirinet, Thans, Shurka
4 - Vymrl, Nocturne, Ythrexle, Frellisk, Mara, The Empress, Drahthor, Runescar, Roan, Il'tharas, Zophiah
That tree is just a normal tree though.
It can talk though, but as Eijra is dead and it was her Exarch I would probably say that it is dead.
Yeah. He get's to start right after the refresh.
So, does that mean I don't need to wait for a PM? Just checking, I didn't want to misinterpret something.
that sentance sort of got away from me...
rofl
another "?" for shadow or thought how many pp would be shape Genasi there not in the "MM"
whats the rule if I want to ad the Varient later
I know I have a lot of creations that aren't up there, but the wikia is a bit lacking on actual crunch. If you don't want to bother with the wikia, then feel free to post the stuff here and I can transport it over.
As for my artifacts, I'm not statting them because...
Eorna - It's a tree...
FeySpark - Isn't really an artifact. I just put it as one for lack of a better action.
Infinite Glade - It makes water. Not that exciting
Staff of Shurka. Okay... I could make one for this, but so far I don't exactly plan for it to end up in the hands of mortals. It could happen, so I guess I should stat it...
As another note, if anyone can't get on the wiki, I could update pages for you. I can also stat monsters (Or "convert" them from 3.5 to 4e since I play both)
As another note, if anyone can't get on the wiki, I could update pages for you. I can also stat monsters (Or "convert" them from 3.5 to 4e since I play both)
Any chance you would be willing to help me stat out the Racktheran then? They're the spider like creatures that eat the phorus plants and breath flame. If so send me a message and we can get on it :D .
I actually do intend to do some statting for the Dimension Bulwark, as a mortal with the right knowledge can tap into it's power. . .
Anyway... I've been toying with adding some subcategories to the Wiki...
Races
Organizations
I figured we might want to add this kind of stuff to world info so that we have an at-a-glance way to check what exists.
Edit: On the upside, my PC is bing very friendly today, so I took the opportunity to do some updating on my wiki page.
Both of your actions in the IC are a 2 PP Guide Action. Additionally, creating a unique type of wood like that requires 1 PP as well. It's one thing to have a really light wood. It's entirely another to have a wood so light it float.
As a side note, where is the Shattered Lands in relation to, say, Eladrin and other such territory?
Thought, what do you think of my wiki updates to my page? Formatting is a bit rough for me on here, but I think I managed well enough.
Though I may be wrong.
I was going to add Organizatios under world as well as Races as a big repository of what races are in game and their different quirks.
Edit: I removed my incorrect assumption, but the basic premise stands
Aradeia, the Deva are still in stasis, not quite alive. They won't be fully alive until a Nourish is spent to alter the reincarnation mechanic of the Rakshasa to be in line with theirs.
Aradeia, the Deva are still in stasis, not quite alive. They won't be fully alive until a Nourish is spent to alter the reincarnation mechanic of the Rakshasa to be in line with theirs.
Could I keep the post as-is if I just add in a Nourish action?
Aradeia
They are an organization dedicated to the gathering and hording of knowledge. They can be convinced at times to sell small portions of it (the location of a lost village, the name of a long forgotten king) and they are more than willing to serve as advisors, using their knowledge to their advantage, but they almost never give knowledge whol sale to some one else.
They'll tell you the ancient kings name, but not where his kingdom was (you didn't ask). They tell you the lost villages location, but not that it was overrun by undead. They are just very secretive with their information. You get no more than absolutely necessary, and only after you pay their exhorbitant fees.
The only way they would teach whole sale knowledge like that would be if you could teach them something of equal value in return, or enough cash to bankrupt most small nations.
However, the fact that humites have joined the organization means you can have recruited humites, in villages, serving as the village's historian. They mioght write books that nobody in their village can read but them. You can have any humite hero you want to be capoable of reading and writing, as long as he is a member of the Loremasters.
Or you can just reflavor your action, and have them get it from somewhere else. As long as they aren't learning it from the Loremasters, it makes no difference to me. It's just a fluff contradiction right now.
Not that you can't edit it later, but I figure now's the time to decide whether you want to handle the stats yourself. Take a look, the basics of the page are up.
Edit: How do you add subcategoruies to main categories? Organizations and Races should be subcategories of World I think.
Any reason the Constellation backgrounds are so powerful?
PGtF has things like rolling on some skill checks twice, or using Wisdom or Intelligence for starting HP instead of Constitution.
The stars themselves have two bits of things you might wanna know:
1) They have stable constellations, these give a basis for Astronomy.
2) They have shifting stars, these could be tied to Astrology.
Neither of these technically NEED basis as per the rules, so this it ends up just being fluff.
That being said...
The constellations represent the first 13 gods. Exact details for each constellation will be worked out later. Each constellation is tied to a Background, yet to be worked out.
New constellations are added at 1PP each, a Create Artifact effect. Each constellation will allow a background to be added to the constellation list.
Please try to keep backgrounds reasonable and balanced.
Unwanted tampering MAY result in retribution however, so ask before you decide to touch my toys.
Constellation abilities should be in rough equality with FRPG Regional Benefits.
Well, I'd like to make a constellation, but I think it would be a bit out of character if Shurka spontaneously started taking intrest in the Stars which had never drew his attention before.
Actually I have another post which addressed that.
By the way, Mechalibur, what are the humites reaction to the world going dark?
My original post in regards to constellations.
Constellation abilities should be in rough equality with FRPG Regional Benefits.
Okay, thank you, I'll definitely think about making a constellation.
In other news, it seems the doppels secret might finall be out, sincer this is the first time anybody (Wyld's scouts) are getting to see a large quantity of them dying or dead.
Also if the Genasi started trading with people that knew rituals would that mean teaching rituals are 1pp or not. Finally is the map going to make it to wiki?
Also I would like to note that my island is now a earth mote floating over the continent it went over the fungus and is probably over the golden hills.
Fair to note though, malltrick, Veros didn't blow it up, so there is little reason you'd smell Veros in the air. . . unless your thinking of little pieces of him.
And Mechalibur, I saw your latest MS post . . . . unless it predates the explosion, I'm sure the humites are quite aware of the fact that they suddenly have ocean front property.
PP Refresh
6 - Veros
5 - Xa'an, Chactross, Neko, Oravolos, Tsarokga-Noggoth, Xirinet, Thans, Shurka, Vymrl, Drahthor
4 - Nocturne, Ythrexle, Frellisk, Mara, The Empress, Runescar, Roan, Zophiah, Siccadan
An artifact and ritual were powered by mortal magic, so was the explosion.
The PP was just mechanical expense required for the effect.
Right. This is the reason you still need to spend PP for technological advances of a group even though the god didn't directly teach them how to work metal, or something.
Camu, for that guide populace, did you Guide the Tsarok-Aran of the Eladrin? Also, refresh in 13 minutes.
A little bit of both
The guide was on the eladrin towns that also house the undercover Tsarok-Aran.
The Tsarok on earth just get a better grib on the eladrin towns containing there agents.
Maybe it's because the majority of the players are possibly students? And they are occupied with studying for frightning tests?
I'm a student, but I have a good amount of free time... the only test coming up for me is a calculus exam, but I'm not the kind to study much. Good luck on any exams you might have!
Glad to hear we're mostly still alive though. . . though IC I'm a little trapped . . .
Edit: Malltrick, I notice the mention of silk in your posts. I have not seen anything indicating the genasi learned to make silk.
On another note, I hope further posts in your mortal stories will be moved to the Mortal Stories thread. It's fine to kick it off in the IC to get somebodies attention, or to bring it back if it becomes a huge world factor, but beyond that, it's best to keep it in the Mortal Stories thread.
Not so much need saving, as being freed. I sort of trapped myself.
Also, I was just wondering, how do I make a new page for the gnomes? Under which category would they go? It says custom races on the first page, but I'm not sure if that's where it goes. Should I just put it there for now?
Malltrick, unless she specificall called out silk worms, or she contradicts me here, it didn't include them.
Though "proven" isn't something particularly connected to an ability you likely had from birth. Of course not all star backgrounds need to be present from birth.
Also, I was just wondering, how do I make a new page for the gnomes? Under which category would they go? It says custom races on the first page, but I'm not sure if that's where it goes. Should I just put it there for now?
On the front page of the wikia, towards the bottom, there is a box where you can input the title of a new page (it is right below the "helping out" banner and says create a new article). Put in the desired page name there, click the button, then start typing.
While gnomes might not be a homebrew race, they are still custome. They'll have a different background in this setting than in other settings, so that is good to note.
The Beholders are an example of what I had in mind, at least: http://lordsofcreation.wikia.com/wiki/Beholder
Basically say that they are per the Player's Handbook 2 or MM, if there is unique content to them list them there, and give a background.
Very nice, I rather like it.
Though "proven" isn't something particularly connected to an ability you likely had from birth. Of course not all star backgrounds need to be present from birth.
Well, no, it's something that manifests later, I suppose.
I'd help with racial feats for Drahkorn. They aren't statted as a race yet, are they? I could help with that, too. (I've got too much free time :P Just send me a PM with details, if you want.)
so in preparation for my next turn im looking around the wiki trying to find what the PP cost would be to give the Drahkorn some racial abilities, anyone mind helping me out here?
Guide Greater action (2pp). Presuming, at least, you mean things like racial feats.
PP Refresh
6 - Veros, Xirinet, Drahthor
5 - Xa'an, Chactross, Neko, Oravolos, Tsarokga-Noggoth, Thans, Shurka, Vymrl, The Empress
4 - Nocturne, Mara, Runescar, Zophiah, Siccadan
3 - Roan
To note, I think this is the most adjustment awards given out in any single turn. Xirinet, Drahthor, and The Empress all got bonuses (though both Drahthor and the Empress's should have been for last turn and I forgot to nominate you in time).
Ritreaude, are those both heroic level racial feats? If so, its only 1 teach action (a single teach action covers a teir of racial feats).
I am not sure, I play 3.5 not 4.0 so on more technical points like this i could use some coaching.
For breathing fire, about what would the blast range be, and how much damage? Take a look at the Dragonborn in the Compendium: is their breath weapon sort of what you are thinking of?
For the teleporting, how far are we talking about? Take a look at the Eladrin in the Compendium: is there teleporting ability what you are thinking of? If so, I'd say those are both Heroic Tier feats.
Edit: Just for refrence the PP I might spend is teaching the Genasi healing
And what's with Roan only getting 3 PP a turn? I'm not going to argue, but I at least want to know why, so you aren't just picking on him. (Just checking... not trying to accuse anyone of anything.)
Probably level 25 in epic, but lvl1 in heroic and 13(?) in paragon. Make it three feats, with benefits BESIDES just making the power better.
But that is largely just six of one and a half-dozen of the other.
If you intend for them to be a PC race, then Thought is essentially right. One of the abilities can be inborn into them. The other will need to be taught.
On a more mechanical D&D route, you can get your reasonably strong blast of flame in a couple of ways. For 4th edition, a feat alone won't be enugh to get you a strong attack, most of the time. You could create a Drahkorn only, racial multi-class, which would let them swap out class powers for racial powers. You could also just include the breathing flame ability in a racial paragon path. Just a couple of suggestions.
Just wanted to know. thanks.
Honestly, I just checked my records on the Drahkorn. You created them as a paragon level race, so they aren't required to be available to PC's. If you folow that route, you need not spend PP on it at all, just included the powers in their creation.
so under this scenario (the one closest to my original desires) the two abilities would have been included in their creation and I could have go back and edit my post to spend that 2pp on something else? And in this case would that breath weapon still me more limited to the equivalent of the dragonborn's or could it be a more powerful form that does not scale as they level?
What if the portfolio i'm looking at is covered by another god? Can I cut a deal with that god?
so under this scenario (the one closest to my original desires) the two abilities would have been included in their creation and I could have go back and edit my post to spend that 2pp on something else? And in this case would that breath weapon still me more limited to the equivalent of the dragonborn's or could it be a more powerful form that does not scale as they level?
As long as they are not a PC race, they would get statted up as paragon level monsters. You can give them any ability and damage potential as is appropriate to paragon monsters (I undertsand you don't have 4.0, but Mechalibur can help you there. I can as well if you'd like). So yes, your PP expenditures would be unecessary. You can probably stat up 4 paragon varieties of Drahkorn before you'd need to pay PP to add new variations.
The treant's can't be guided for worship, but it is reasonable to have them defend an area. Such a defense would be along the lines of a guard dog. So the area just became hostile to all non-natural creatures. I'm not even sure a camper would be safe, as soon as they cut some wood for a fire.
Does this world have primal classes yet, because I would like for Scri'ptar to introduce them to the world? would that work or are they already in?
Additionally, I suggest making an effort to skim the IC some.
As for Primal classes, yes, all 4 have been introduced.
Edit: Additionally, the Spirit Greater Domain has already been claimed as a starting domain by a god.
What domains are actually picked?
And if it isn't highlighted it shouldn't be claimed. Though there may be some exceptions.
Domains
Knowledge
Light
Fire
Decay
Pain
Nature
Dreams
Divinations
Healing
Oracle
Ice
Water
Darkness
Life
Stars
Aberrations
Pleasure
Art
Wood
Sun
Day
Moon
Retribution
Tyrany
Envy
Greed
Destruction
Utility Magic
Tactics
Trickery
Forest
Language
Books
Manipulation
Lies
Void
Fey
Song
Time
Light
Fire
Decay
Pain
Nature
Dreams
Divinations
Healing
Oracle
Ice
Water
Darkness
Life
Stars
Aberrations
Pleasure
Art
Wood
Sun
Day
Moon
Retribution
Tyrany
Envy
Greed
Destruction
Utility Magic
Tactics
Trickery
Forest
Language
Books
Manipulation
Lies
Void
Fey
Song
Time
I built them as a conduit through which all mortals would be able to access magic of every variety. Racial powers are fine, as they are a direct connection forged by a god, but general classes and magical items tap into magic through the leylines.
Yeah, it seems more as if it belongs in Mortal Stories though.
Which is why I mention there is a bit more, gonna ascend that Drahkorn to be an Exarch.
As for a god, is their a god of dragons? or how about a god of artifice? are either of those covered, or are they free?
None of them are restricted to the Shattered Lands.
Actually we're short on herbivores...
Since Magic is channeled through Ley Lines, is it possible for my god to create a Ley Line in Cororan?
Hmm, im not sure... given that it is your own plane might you be able to allow them to tap into magic while inside of it without having to use any ley lines?
In general, unless you've actually seen something by being there, you are at best aware of it.
I wasn't away Ritreaude was messing with the leylines until I interacted with them.
I am aware of Thought's manifest zone around Skypeak because I was standing in the middle of it when he created it, but I'm not aware of those around Alexandria or Greafang Mountain.
I have next to no idea of anything Camu has done in the fungal fortress in the aether. In fact, I only know Tsaroka-Noggoth's name because it is mortal knnowledge among worshippers, which I can draw on with effort courtesy of the Knowledge domain.
I've made myself aware of all the rules, the expenditures, and a good chunk of the history (first 5 pages or so, and the whole Wiki). Not sure whether or not I'm supposed to choose the starting domain or if whoever makes the god chooses. I'm good either way.
Edit: Oh wow, Iok's profile is still in my sig! Man, been a while.
You have 3 PP to choose domains. Greaters are 3, moderates 2, and lesser 1.
If you don't mind, I think I'll sleep on it. I'll get started tomorrow should you approve.
Heh. Veros is reasonably impressed. Your people are strong and sound. But the hand of only a single god disturbs him. He would have shown more outrage, but he is a guest, afterall, so he restrained it. But I had to comment on it.
Domains, greater: none. that's right, none. Deal with it.
Domains, intermediate: artifice
Domains, lesser: constructs
symbol: small white gear on a larger black gear
form: basically a largish humanoid golem made visibly form clockwork and other mechanical parts.
Sound good?
P.S. do I get 6 pp on my first turn, or is it just 4?
* - These gods seem to have gone idle.
** - She only recently claimed her first greater domain
PP Refresh
6 - Veros
5 - Xa'an, Chactross, Neko, Oravolos, Tsarokga-Noggoth, Thans, Shurka, Vymrl, Xirinet, Drahthor
4 - Nocturne, Mara, Zophiah, Runescar, Siccadan, The Empress, Roan
Awesome! :D I am trying to "curry the favor" of Stan The Man Lee.
Wish me luck guys! "World Builder Stanley" would be appropriate!
General Populace
This brings me to another note. We admins have been considering creating a list of example guides (barring the obvious such as classes), and what sort of benefits they provide. Examples would be Blacksmithing, Armor Smithing, and Weapon Smithing, each of which provide a different set of benefits.
I figured we'd get some general opinion on it, and see what ideas you can provide.
Name: Ka
Greater Domains: Air
Moderate Domains:N/A
Lesser Domains:N/A
Alignment: Unaligned
Physical Appearance:An emaciated humanoid form, thin and very tall. his skin is gray. It seems that he wears a hooded white robe, his arms concealed by folds of cloth coming from the back. It is in fact a living part of Ka. The folds concealing Ka's torso are featherless, boneless wings that emerge from his back. Ka has no legs, it is simply a gathering of mist and cloud below his robe. His face has no noes, a wide mouth with thin lips, and eyes that shine like lightening beneath the hood.
Symbol: Swirling lines issuing downward from a parted mouth
As a reminder, in case you missed it, new turns begin approximately 5PM EST (GMT 9PM) on Saturday and Tuesday.
It's sorta a custom selection of gods, including core gods (Tiamat, Bahamut, Pelor), mythology-inspired gods (Aphrodite and Ares) as well as unique ones I made.
The only major god from LoC is Veros who is almost universally worshipped by spellcasters. As a god of secrets, no one is exactly sure what his alignment is. He has clerics from all alignments. (This is in a 3.5 campaign, so that's pretty much unheard of in other gods)
Eijra, Orvalos, and Xirinet are all nature gods that are worshipped by many primal classes. The three of them usually work together, but sometimes have disputes. (Generally Orvalos just wants to keep the balance, but Eijra thinks certain creatures shouldn't exist at all. Xirinet's motives remain a mystery.) Any primal class likely worships one of these three.
Tsorakga-Noggoth is the classic "cult god," as worship of him is illegal in many kingdoms. He is rapidly gaining control is certain areas, even managing to have his cultists control an important queen with psionics, making worship of him legal.
I took away Vyrml's ice aspect, but he is a god of conquest. Many barbaric nations/tribes worship him as they gain ground taking over their neighbors. However, he is the deity with the most fighting between worshipers who think they alone should be worthy of his glory.
And then there's Mara. She doesn't have as much power as Pelor does, but she is content with that. Very few know of her dual-nature. She is an interesting god, as she has very few worshipers, but decides to send dreams to a few mortals, setting them on varying, and even random quests. No one is exactly sure what purpose she has.
A fairly good line-up, I think.
Hey, I was thinking about taking over the Winter domain so I was wondering: How active is Vyrml?
cant say i even remember when the last time he posted was.
And can I wait to start posting until the tuesday reset?
Vymrl has not posted since turn 18, when he created Frost Monoliths. However, he had PMed me about it. He is extremely busy with real life, and is taking a sabbatical. He said it was likely he would return in the summer. As a matter of courtesy, I'd like to ask that you don't commandeer all his stuff for yourself. INfrining on his stuff (stealing some worshippers, as Mara has done) is all good, but lets try not to annihilate or remove it all. This is the primary reason Duska Krak never tried to force the Frost Giants off of the mainland, their controller wasn't around to defend himself.
Anyways, there isn't anything saying you can't take it, since it wasn't one of my original domains. Still, it probably is something you may want to know (e.g. collaboration or competition).
Seriously?! Why do we even have a wiki?!
so that we can all have something to procrastinate on?
If it bothers you I will withdraw the claim. I was kinda worried whether or not Ka would find an agenda to really play in this game, so a competition of sorts would be fun.
For instance my page should be entirely up-to-date as of last turn. On the other hand Veros is usually a bit behind because ff6's computer is a PoS.
That said, multiple storm gods could introduce some interesting conflict.
That said, multiple storm gods could introduce some interesting conflict.
Really stormy weather :D
That said, multiple storm gods could introduce some interesting conflict.
Well, the two gods with the fey domain haven't even spoken to eachother yet :P
But we'll see what happens!
As Wyld mentioned, my PC is a PoS. I update as I can, but it doesn't happen often. The wiki won't load right for me.
Hey, remember we technically have two gods of magic (though Chactross is idle), and they didn't conflict much.
I wasn't here for any of the previous games, was there a lot of fighting in those?
Mara has storms and Winter/Summer (or generally "seasons"). She has created the "vortex" a giant storm at the southern pole, that acts as a very large (very dangerous) syphon and is the basis for air currents, and other basic weather patterns (including storms). Other than that, I haven't donem via PP, anything else with "storms."
Idealy, I think there should be more conflicts... that might sound a bit... cruel... but I think that someone needs to die or be imprisoned or something. Everything just seems like it's at a stalemate or something.
I wasn't here for any of the previous games, was there a lot of fighting in those?
Meh, not really. This game is a bit interesting, considering that there are so many evil gods you'd think they would fight between themselves. But players seem to shy away from conflict.
But I'm actually working towards Xa'an being imprisoned or killed.
Xi hasn't got any uinderlying personality traits that would really result in him confronting a god.
Looks like Roan has some catching up to do.
You know though, conflict is also made difficult by the way some gods seem to justy hide themselves and their creations in their own private plane, or just as far away from everything else as possible.
....... so yeah havn't i already said this state will not exist for long?
Good read.
And afaik, I had permission (and to keep it kosher, didn't spend a PP on it this time ;) ).
Sorry its been so long, but between finals, finals, learning to hack ZSNES games, finals, working on a longterm art project, finals, finals, and finals, I haven't had much time for LoC. Since my finals have just ended, I am ready to rejoin the game.
It'll take me a day or two to catch up on the last week or two, but I will post as soon as I've read it all.
Just saying hi.
Ritreaude, while you fit under that comment, you weren't quite who I was directing it at. there are several others as well.
Not a problem, SD. Happens to everybody.
Okay, community business.
First things first. The Tuesday reset is becoming a hassle to maintain. Due to my recent aquiring of a D&D group (finally), I am busy during standard reset times. While this still leaves Thought available, he is experiencing time difficulties of his own. It has also been pointed out to me that 5 PM EST on a weekday is a bit rough on the younger crowd. Rather than just dictate, I figure I'll get everybodi's opinion. Would anybody be opposed to pushing Tuesdyas reset back several hours, to 7 or 8 EST?
Second, I mentioned this a week or two ago. Guides have been a big issue. Different guides teaching essentially the same thing under different names. While it's not an actual issue, I thought it might be feasible to produce an example list covering basic guides, much like we have the domain list as an example for domains. Thoughts on this?
Edit: It's only a fluff thin, but voodooguy, there are no satyrs for you to steal the voice from ;)
Edit 2: Just a reminder, MassiveAttack, you'll need to provide us with soem stats for this lycanthrope template you have in mind. It sounds fun, but 4th edition lycans so far have been true breeding. I hope you have something awesome in mind. Unfortunately, stealing away the Eladrin magic is a De-Nourish Action, not a Guide. I'm going to mark it as you having spent the PP to de-nourish, since I'm sure you're planning something that needs that to happen, but until you clarify, I'm going to assume you didn't claim hunting.
(Might be a time to call in the favor Veros promised you. ;) If thats the path you pursue, I'll provide you the PP for the De-Nourish. Just clarify and let me know before the turn ends.Also one other thing i like the note is when i revieuwed the map ff6 made I noticed the fungi were drawn in just one area, while they are actually infesting multiple regions all over the continent, not just one area on the south.
And, Roan failed to clear any fungi at all. He spent no PP to directly harm the fungi. All his post was is fluff. Unless backed by PP, it has no concrete action. He marched to war. He may even be winning. But unless he spends PP to harm the fungus, the damage is negligable.
The same went for all my posts when I blew up Duska Krak. Despite all the death and destruction I posted about, it had no hard effect on the populace at all until I spent PP to remove it from the map.
Fluff will never have a concrete end result like that. All actions, to have any hard effect, must be backed by PP.
I basicly see all the types of fungi (violet, indigo, shrieker and grey) as a bigger group, like demons or dragons in general.
Although the recent few nourish fungi was to the fungi in the south specifically (where the exarch Unggar-Raggnu is terraforming the place)
Also I thought the map was basicly most of the continent, so my bad on that one.
(note the vanguard woods have had a lot of pp put into them at this point as well. not as much as the fungus but all the pp has gone tward destroying the fungus.)
So basicly everywere else on the continent (parts not shown on the map) besides a few regions, just like ff6 said.
(and i know you spend a lot of pp in the woods aswell, but as I have come to understand the rules, if you don't spend pp to make your things do stuff then it doesn't count, like guide the forrest against the fungi, like i did with the fungi towards the forrest
remember that with my invasion, even though the tsarok-hem plus minions at the time were worth 23PP back then (a lot more now) but cause i only spend 5PP on attacking, it only took 5PP to counter it)
That said I don't really care who wins this small fight (small compared to the entire fungal population)
Um clarification do you want me to edit my last post further if you do state what you want and I will work it out.
but i don't really mind
Also are those new creatures a race or beasts?
(also I still need to get a task done for school, so i'll add the text of my IC post after it's finished)
By the way, is refresh on the old time, or a few hours later, like ff6 suggested?
Also... I'm still getting this huge stalemate feeling. Roan and I start working together against the fungus. Then Ka tries to spread it, and The Empress is taking sides with Tsorakga (Although Order seems to be in his favor... I would think it would make more sense to fight against it), and people might keep joining sides until it ends up in one battle where just about nothing is accomplished.
I really don't want that to happen. So I'm just going to say right now: Since no one really seems to want their gods to be in danger, I'm going to start working toward Shurka getting killed/imprisoned, or him trying to make it happen to someone else. Hopefully this will be the start of some gods getting killed or imprisoned to the point where gods are leaving because of something in game, and not because of something out of game. Like a domino effect (although I don't want too many people to go!)
PP Refresh
6 - Veros
5 - Xa'an, Chactross, Neko, Oravolos, Tsarokga-Noggoth, Thans, Shurka, Vymrl, Xirinet, Drahthor
4 - Nocturne, Mara, Zophiah, Runescar, Siccadan, The Empress, Roan, Ka, Kiptar
The mechanics work out slightly differently though. I don't know more than that.
Of course to have a nation you have to guide a populace into it, and non-populace creatures can't be part of nations.
Similarly, Wyld's nation of Alexandria. When he nourishes it, it doesn't nourish humans and angels (it's contituent parts). It nourishes just Alexandria. All Alexandrians worship Wyld. My worshippers only exist among general humans, not Alexandrians.
Xa'an's Silver-Eye-Mining Company, composed of humans. Anything he teaches them is unavailable to general humans. All members of this company worship Xa'an, since he created it.
Space_Dragon's Avariel's. They are a special group within the eladrin. Nothing taught to them applies to general eladrin. In fact, despite us sharing worship from the eladrin, no Avariel worships me. They all worship Tahns.
The Loremasters. They contain humites, doppelgangers, dwarves, and eladrin. They possess written language and alchemy. Yet none of the component races gain those techs. They worship only me, despite having members of 4 different races.
The Frost Giants exists in three different groups. There are frost giants in general. Anything taught to them is available to all of them. Their is the Imperium. ANything taught to them is just available to them. And their is the Golden Horde, the frost giants still in the Golden Hill's region. They are a specific group of frost giants. Again, they can have their own specific teach. No member of the Goledn Horde of Imperium worship Mara, despite her having gyuided some general frost giants into her worship
Their is the new nation I founded last Saturday before the refresh. Composed of halflings and dwarves. It has general access to halfling and dwarf teaches. Anything I specifically teach to just Meribia is unavailable to any other halflings or dwarves. Despite halflings worshipping 4 different gods, and dwarves worshipping two others, all dwarves and halflings of Meribia only worshipe me, until someone else guides some worshippers from it specifically.
A nation/organization if formed of existing people. It is, in large part, a record keeping tool. It also allows for a race in one area to have technologies and abilities not known to the same race in other areas. Only populaces can be considered part of an organization/nation. While the nation can uses teaches from it;s component races, it cannot call of the component's PP strength. Halflings and Dwarves have had a combined total of 26 constructive PP spent on them for various reasons. But if it came to a mechanical destruction, the newly founded nation of Meribia, composed of dwarves and halflings, could be wiped ouot with a 2 PP de-nourish, as that is all that has been spent on it.
In large part, it has developed as a necessity, as people (mostly Wyld and Aldii) have created united nations and such. It makes sense for someone to be able to nourish the armies of a single nation without having to nourish each individual race within the nation. It was a slightly unexpected portion of the game that needed different rules to adress it, due to how I keep the records and determine PP. However, being recognized as a part of a nation or group requires the same distinguishing features as being able to worship a god. I have only in the last few weeks hammered out the exact nature of how it works. I intend to add that information to the wiki, and it will probably be hammered out completely within the next few days. Once doen, I'll ask somebody to upload it.
As for attacking an exarch directly, it depends on your intent. If you want to destroy it, it would require a 3 PP action. If you want your exarch to fight it, it's largely fluff. If you want your exarch to fight and destroy it, it would require the 3 PP. In either situation, it would probably be a good idea to talk sucha thing over with the player in control of the exarch your trying to nuke.
It is bad form to destroy a large RP object without asking nicely though.
Interesting to note that their are now purple worms in the shattered lands as well.
Xi DID make Purple Worms in the Shattered Lands. I haven't been tracking all the individual creature creations (I get a little overwhelmed jugling much more than my stuff) and it only occured to me that you made purple worms AFTER the reset.
As ff6 clarified in almost exactly the same moment, attacking is entirely RP.
Xi DID make Purple Worms in the Shattered Lands. I haven't been tracking all the individual creature creations (I get a little overwhelmed jugling much more than my stuff) and it only occured to me that you made purple worms AFTER the reset.
Oh im not complaining at all, just think that will be interesting the next time Drahthor visits the shattered lands.
Also... I'm still getting this huge stalemate feeling. Roan and I start working together against the fungus. Then Ka tries to spread it, and The Empress is taking sides with Tsorakga (Although Order seems to be in his favor... I would think it would make more sense to fight against it), and people might keep joining sides until it ends up in one battle where just about nothing is accomplished.
I really don't want that to happen. So I'm just going to say right now: Since no one really seems to want their gods to be in danger, I'm going to start working toward Shurka getting killed/imprisoned, or him trying to make it happen to someone else. Hopefully this will be the start of some gods getting killed or imprisoned to the point where gods are leaving because of something in game, and not because of something out of game. Like a domino effect (although I don't want too many people to go!)
I have said before that I really don't mind if Ka gets in the thick of things and suffers a major loss (ex: imprisoned or killed). However, if he is killed I would appreciate if Ka was reanimated into a different god thing.
Edit: Also, I'm having a really hard time trying to understand how to edit the wiki to put in my page
Edit2: Also I made the gray Fungus that I did as beasts under the idea that the shriekers and violet and other varieties were made in the same fashion.
Furthermore what happened to Nocturne because if I can I thought it would be cool if Roan could take over darkness. Then we can have the evil light and order (Xan’an and Thans, The Empress) against the good chaos and dark.
Everybody else...
I'm personally in favot of pushing back the tuesday reset. It'll give people more time between resets to finalize their posts.
I'm also in favor of a standardized set of teaches, this would make determining what a race has a bit easier rather than having to consider what "Random teach #3" is equivalent to.
ekluag, if it gives them stats (you said you weren't stating the opriginal, and I assume this is why), then yes, you'll need to pay sepereately.
Malltrick, two things. First, you can't teach the genasi rituals for 1 PP. A specific non-book ritual is 1 PP, but they have to have general rituals first, which costs 2 and they don't have. And no, your failed trade with humans does not count for cultural diffusion.
Secondly, you have to pay to make your entire earth-mote move, costing the same PP as it took to create (1 I do beleive.)
Next up, general agreement seems to be in place on pushing Tuesdays reset back. Could some one please update the wiki to say that Tuesday resets will be between 7:30 and 8:00 PM EST?
And I'll begin work on a general list of guides, and what they make available.
And I was counting the humites I think they have rituals as the connection
Finally as soon as you tell me which action it is to move something i.e. guide, mold or something else I will be more than happy to make the appropriate pp edit thanks for the quick response shadow
You can move Talamar the same way I moved Duska Krak. A mold action equivalent to creating the earth mote can move it. Pretty sure thats 1 PP for yours.
Wiki updated
HUmites do not have rituals. Vampires learned rituals at 1 PP because they were in contact with both humans anbd the populations of Duska Krak. Additionally, during the PR, they stole information from the loremasters, which was another connection that had rituals. Thus is cost them 1 via diffusion.
You can move Talamar the same way I moved Duska Krak. A mold action equivalent to creating the earth mote can move it. Pretty sure thats 1 PP for yours.
I spent 2 PP on rituals for humites.
I wasn't exactly sure about the rules on rituals were at the time, so my post may be a bit off, but the PP spent is still there.
Also, do I only have to spend 1 PP on a guide if a race I'm trading with knows the tech?
And yes, you do get a discount if trading with people. To my knowledge, your humites are trading with humans right now, correct? Genasi, despite your RP, are no longer available, given there recent vanishing to the elemtnal chaos.
And yes, you do get a discount if trading with people. To my knowledge, your humites are trading with humans right now, correct?
I don't even think they've met yet :P
Genasi, despite your RP, are no longer available, given there recent vanishing to the elemtnal chaos.
People the humites trade with seem to have a nasty habit of vanishing.
I assumed humites and humans would have begun trading by nature of their location. Human and Duska Krak traders literally had to march right through Humite territory. :D
Upside, if you want to resume trade with the dwarves and halflings, the new nation or Meribia is to your east. . . I'm working on some new maps.
Edit: The new continent of Zophia is pretty darn far away from the Imperium. Hope the Frost Giants like long swims.
Duska Krak became it's own group, seperate from the races themselves. Teaching something to Duska Krak did not teach it to it's component races. When it ceased to exist on the outer world, it took serveral unique technolgoies with it, namely proto-democracy and paladins. They no longer exist on the outer world, because only Duska Krak had been guided to have them, and nobody else picked them up. It originally worshipped only Eijra. I had to guide followers from it specifically. I had to guide worship from general halflings and dwarves seperately, and in fact, have few worshippers among the general halfling and dwarf populations
Similarly, Wyld's nation of Alexandria. When he nourishes it, it doesn't nourish humans and angels (it's contituent parts). It nourishes just Alexandria. All Alexandrians worship Wyld. My worshippers only exist among general humans, not Alexandrians.
Xa'an's Silver-Eye-Mining Company, composed of humans. Anything he teaches them is unavailable to general humans. All members of this company worship Xa'an, since he created it.
Space_Dragon's Avariel's. They are a special group within the eladrin. Nothing taught to them applies to general eladrin. In fact, despite us sharing worship from the eladrin, no Avariel worships me. They all worship Tahns.
The Loremasters. They contain humites, doppelgangers, dwarves, and eladrin. They possess written language and alchemy. Yet none of the component races gain those techs. They worship only me, despite having members of 4 different races.
The Frost Giants exists in three different groups. There are frost giants in general. Anything taught to them is available to all of them. Their is the Imperium. ANything taught to them is just available to them. And their is the Golden Horde, the frost giants still in the Golden Hill's region. They are a specific group of frost giants. Again, they can have their own specific teach. No member of the Goledn Horde of Imperium worship Mara, despite her having gyuided some general frost giants into her worship
Their is the new nation I founded last Saturday before the refresh. Composed of halflings and dwarves. It has general access to halfling and dwarf teaches. Anything I specifically teach to just Meribia is unavailable to any other halflings or dwarves. Despite halflings worshipping 4 different gods, and dwarves worshipping two others, all dwarves and halflings of Meribia only worshipe me, until someone else guides some worshippers from it specifically.
A nation/organization if formed of existing people. It is, in large part, a record keeping tool. It also allows for a race in one area to have technologies and abilities not known to the same race in other areas. Only populaces can be considered part of an organization/nation. While the nation can uses teaches from it;s component races, it cannot call of the component's PP strength. Halflings and Dwarves have had a combined total of 26 constructive PP spent on them for various reasons. But if it came to a mechanical destruction, the newly founded nation of Meribia, composed of dwarves and halflings, could be wiped ouot with a 2 PP de-nourish, as that is all that has been spent on it.
In large part, it has developed as a necessity, as people (mostly Wyld and Aldii) have created united nations and such. It makes sense for someone to be able to nourish the armies of a single nation without having to nourish each individual race within the nation. It was a slightly unexpected portion of the game that needed different rules to adress it, due to how I keep the records and determine PP. However, being recognized as a part of a nation or group requires the same distinguishing features as being able to worship a god. I have only in the last few weeks hammered out the exact nature of how it works. I intend to add that information to the wiki, and it will probably be hammered out completely within the next few days. Once doen, I'll ask somebody to upload it.
As an addendum to this. I am assuming that succesor and/or splinter groups/nations maintain the level of knowledge they had at the time of their split/succession.
If this is the case, I think it is critical that each race/faction be up to date on their knowledge.
Aradeia
Malltrick, 1 PP for the rituals will work, since you had trade with the Humites. However, the remaining Genasi are not enough to be considered for trade purposes now, since you move their only city away.
And moving the vegetation would be the same as expanding it. 1 Nourish Land.
Though it's more divided into "rises" than actual sections, since it's PART of the land as opposed to on top of it. Structuraly it rises in multiple tiers with multiple individual "plateaus" comprising the major sections, though it's blurred by a large number of causeways. Note that there are a number of places where you can look out at a vast swath of the city, at all parts of the city. It is a work of art, meant as much to be seen as used.
The uppermost tier would be roughly the same to any other city, at least in layout. The deeper tiers become warrens of pasages, populated by fewer residences and a great number more business-type structures. As you go FURTHER down (to basement level, depending on the plateau the basement is somewhere between the 5th and 7th tier down) humans are almost entirely gone, this would be the underworks, a labyrinthing series of cannals used for drainage and populated by a plethora of beasts.
There are two exceptions to the general layout;
The Great Cathedral is an entire plateau except for its basement level. It has larger internal dimensions than external, excepting the underworks which is tied into the rest of the city (though some argue that the entire underworks is the Cathedral's).
The War Rise is an entire plateau dedicated to military training and development. Non-citizens (excepting Angels, of any creed) are not allowed within due to the danger of the practices conducted. This plateau also houses a gladiatorial ring, meant for realistic combat-training but often attracting spectators.
The Council Hall is seated in the Great Cathedral, humans maintain this is a show of piousness. In actuality it is a matter of practicality, the Great Cathedral being the single most defensible structure within Alexandria as it stands in the heart of the city. Just don't try to tell the humans that, they are as a whole quite devout to Xirinet, and have had a recent upsurge toward Veros as well.
I was meaning to include this into the Wiki the other day when I was updating, it just got lost as I dealt with other more pressing matters. I ho[pe this clarifies the city some.
Edit: I'll copypasta this into the Wiki for the time being.
Well...hmm...I think more or less that it has gotten kinda slow.
Personally I also dislike the fungus threat of Doom! It has gotten kinda old as it has existed for thousands of years and inot actually done any actual harm to the world other then one invasion that had a short and according to me humurous end.
Though there are a lot of new interesting deities that has appeared if nothing else. Even if i miss Xirinet's old Beast/Nature/Death god thingie, that god had personality and style.
The echo was just a joke on my part. :P no need for everybody to start defending themselves over it.
And yes, reset is in roughly 20 minutes
PP Refresh
6 - Veros
5 - Xa'an, Chactross, Neko, Oravolos, Tsarokga-Noggoth, Thans, Shurka, Vymrl, Xirinet, Drahthor
4 - Nocturne, Mara, Zophiah, Runescar, Siccadan, The Empress, Roan, Ka, Kiptar
Personally I also dislike the fungus threat of Doom! It has gotten kinda old as it has existed for thousands of years and inot actually done any actual harm to the world other then one invasion that had a short and according to me humurous end.
Well I wasn't happy with how that invasion ended myself. The way that went is one of the things actually holding me back of trying to do new and interesting stuff.
1) a massive glacier that covers most of the southern pole region (created by me)
2) a large nearly endless Taiga covering whatever lands there are (not originally created by me)
3) animals on the glacier and Taiga (not mine)
4) Frost Giants (mine)
5) Dark Eladrin (new! mine)
Might be a few other minor things. Also, some point before in this threat I believe I asked the question before and you said there wasn't a need to formalize it, or as I understood your answer. If you want the pro forma spending though, I will do it.
There is definitly land down there. I have records of Oravolos adding a foresty, and some polar variety animals. There just isn't much land. I'd say a large scattered archipelago of smallish islands, occupied by what ever has been places down there.
As for a Glacier down south, I definitly have no direct record of glaciers down there. The losest would be the Chillund Archipelago I mentioned, which is islands made of ice from the original glacier, some of which still floats in the inned world.
Thank you everyone; its been a lot of fun. Over the next week I'll try to work up an exit post for Xa'an.
Aradeia
I'm sorry thins have taken a poor turn for you, and for what consolation it's worth, I'm sure everyone here(at least I know it's true for me) feels for you just a little more than if it had happened to anyone else. You've been a wonderful addition to the game as a player and as an Admin, and without your kindness and.. Well.. Thoughtfullness(pun intended), the game never would have made it anywhere at all.
Less than important comment
That said, Mechalibur I don't quite think my exit was one of note or concern, but it was nice to see you count me anyway.
No retaining racial knowledge there MassiveAttack. The difference between an organization and a new race is too much.
Ok, but is it 1 or 2 PP to give them stuff they "knew" before as Eladrin?
For your benefit, here is a list
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Horsemanship, Healing, Stealth, Wizard, Agriculture, Warlord, Blacksmithing, Astronomy, and Warlock
Additionally, you mention the Golden Hills, which don't exist anymore. The Golden Hills were destroyed in a massive ritual explosion. The Golden Horde is within the Vanguard Woods, and perhaps a bit to the north of it. So to get there you are passing through/over a huge fungal penensula, and through a lethal forest.
So I was wondering if it is still possible to join and apply after so many things have already being done?
If it is here is mine:
Name: Hensen Jijou, "The Changer of Ways", the "Innovator",
Domain: Change (aim to include in his future portfolio also Invention\innovation, Liberation\revolution, Philosophy and maybe Chaos)
Physical Appearance: Describing the Changer of Ways is quite an hard feat, he tend to assume many forms mostly depending on the humor of the moment and the people he's interacting with, some times he looks as an Aurora of everchanging colors, other time as a "revolutionary" dressing the garbs and the look that the people he's addressing think belong to innovators, scientists and philosophers and occasionally warlords in their society, or as a weary travelling bard always ready to tell an inspiring tale that can open the mind of the listeners to new possibilities. He can also appear as a many headed hydra or dragon, with each head talking a different language and each scale reflecting shards of alternative universes and possibilities.
Symbol: as the god himself his simbol is far from set in stone, however they always include asimnetry, the most common is a multicolored Hydra whos heads are all different in design, another is a small flickering flame.
Additionally, you mention the Golden Hills, which don't exist anymore. The Golden Hills were destroyed in a massive ritual explosion. The Golden Horde is within the Vanguard Woods, and perhaps a bit to the north of it. So to get there you are passing through/over a huge fungal penensula, and through a lethal forest.
Good thing the humites were driven out!
Also, should I write down what the humites have in the wiki? I think I might end up being confused eventually...
And Nerdzul, Chaos is taken, so you won't be able to get that... (That only applies to greater domains, though. You can have repeats of lesser or moderates.)
And I guess no one has chaos. Never mind. I'm just assuming Malltrik was planning on getting it (which is why he abandoned everything as soon as it was made), and Aradeia created it. I guess it never clicked in my mind that that doesn't necesarily mean they didn't claim that domain.
Nerdzul, it looked okay, keep an eye on the OOC and I'll let you know when your clear to post. Though, I do suggest settling on a holy symbol . . which reminds me I don't have one . . . I need to fix that.
As for the domain of Chaos It's just a project for the future, Change will be my main focus, and eventually I can just happen to ally with gods with the portfolio of Chaos as with any having Strife related domains, Evolution, Mutation or Innovation.
Or maybe if the founder of the elemental chaos agrees I might reside there as a guest occasionally.
As a Symbol the Many headed Hydra will do, with every head of the monster different from the others, it's "material" manifestation will be carved in some kind of reflecting material and shaped so that it produce unnatural reflections.
Btw I really like Lycanthropic Eladrin from Massive (a shapeshifting breed who escaped their original society a being that incarnate the essence of Change will love that), and if Massive agree I'd love to help them prosper as soon as I join (maybe in exchage of a little worship :p).
Finally is there any way to have a "global" vision about the current state of the world? (maybe some page that I have missed at the wiki).
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Nerd
Originally, greater domains were exclusive in that fashion. Also, I have a list of what technolgies every race has, for the purpose of watching for people trying to do things their race isn't capable of, though I admit I do occasionally miss things. If anybody wants to know about any race in particular, feel free to ask.
In that case... I know I gave the humites stoneworking, but do they have woodworking?
What do you mean by global vision? What we plan the world to look like, or what it does look like now?
Btw I really like Lycanthropic Eladrin from Massive (a shapeshifting breed who escaped their original society a being that incarnate the essence of Change will love that), and if Massive agree I'd love to help them prosper as soon as I join (maybe in exchage of a little worship :p).
Largely depends on how you approach them/her. Mara is still in her child form for the time being (she'll grow up eventually, as soon as I can afford it!). If you come to her in a manner as you say, probably would be reasonably amendable.
Largely depends on how you approach them/her. Mara is still in her child form for the time being (she'll grow up eventually, as soon as I can afford it!). If you come to her in a manner as you say, probably would be reasonably amendable.
I hope she will, maybe I'll not have to use the "monster" form to approach her hehe :p...
What if I put some "challenge" (maybe some monsters to hunt-tame or a sphinx that pose some riddle) on the path of your kind and than reward them with some blessing if they succeed like for example sorcery, more variation of form, "ingenuity", taming, or some kind of craft (crafts in the end are the ability to shape \ change the world) ...
With global vision I mean an "overall" situation of the world, most important nations, races, features, level of civilization and so on.
Finally I have a question, is it possible to create an organization, even as a minority like a philosophical circle, composed of many races mostly created by other gods by using some kind of action?
After that can I affect that group with guide power considering them as a single civilization (like having them worship me, another deity, or learn some new tech)?
My idea is to generate a sect that support people who looks for progress and social changes, who inspire would be "scientists", mages and leaders of the various races.
Bye
Nerd
With global vision I mean an "overall" situation of the world, most important nations, races, features, level of civilization and so on.
Finally I have a question, is it possible to create an organization, even as a minority like a philosophical circle, composed of many races mostly created by other gods by using some kind of action?
Well, the races with the most representation would be (in no particular order):
Doppelgangers
Eladrin
Humans
Humites (Made by me!)
Dwarves
Halflings
The less common races are (I hope I mention them all...)
Orcs
Dasa (made by Aradeia - The Empress)
Gnomes
Genasi
Devas
Elves
Shadar-Kai
Warforged
(I'm not sure whether to include giants or not... I'm mostly listing the races meant to be playable.)
You should ask Shadow for more info (I'm not too adept at summaries... I probably don't even know everything that's going on), but there are the races...
As for your organization question... we actually all ready have one! The loremasters are an organization that are comprised of different races, and they... well, are masters of lore. So it's definitely do-able.
As for races, Mechalibur hit most of them, though he missed the most widespread race, doppelgangers, as well as the minotaurs hidden in the depths of the Shattered Lands.
As for the organization question, it is doable, as he mentioned, my Loremasters. Right now they just gathered and horde information, but that could be changing soon.
For other things, I've done some simplistic and basic maps, whic I'll repost.
Then again, they look like everyone else, so... :P
I wonder how the Feywyld is going to turn out. For a long (very long) time, it was only populated by treents, but now with humites and gnomes there might be some conflict in the future. Although the gnomes do seem rather nice, so that might not be too likely. It is pretty bare though... as far as I'm away, there is very little but endless land and plants...
...wait, how are the gnomes and humites getting water? I suppose there could be some rivers or something (*shrug*).
And thanks a lot for the maps Shadow. They're very helpful.
I'll go back and edit. Though, since the Imperium has the Berg Ships, could they fly over the penensula and into the Vangaurd Woods?
And the huge swathed of land could easily be scattered among the islands and glaciers down there. I'm not saying your post was illegal or anything, just giving you a heads up on how things stand because I know you've been out for a while. ;)
Thanks for the thanks on the maps, Mechalibur. I posted them a bit ago, and they mostly got skipped. The only race I can think of off-hand that are unlabelled there are the gnomes, which seem to be between the Humites and Meribia. Also, I hope that having a map to shot off the new continent might get somebody else to show interest in it, or toss some PP at it.
I hope she will, maybe I'll not have to use the "monster" form to approach her hehe :p...
What if I put some "challenge" (maybe some monsters to hunt-tame or a sphinx that pose some riddle) on the path of your kind and than reward them with some blessing if they succeed like for example sorcery, more variation of form, "ingenuity", taming, or some kind of craft (crafts in the end are the ability to shape \ change the world) ...
I encourage the quest method of doing things. It seems to me to be more quintessential DnD in style, and also is a more bottom-up approach that puts the action on mortals and heros rather than the gods.
Domain: Ocean, Sea
Physical Appearance: Quel primarily resembles an amphibious frog-like creature with tentacles coming out of it's forearm and a crustaceous shell on it's torso. It has a violet color and it's skin is always wet, no matter how dry the surrounding enviroment is.
Symbol: A simple jug with water spilling over the sides.
And while not that involved currently and not a playable race I would like the Drahkorn to be thrown into the aforementioned lists. For knew comers they more or less have the appearance of the xenomorphs from the Alien movie series though culturally they are far different.
And the Drakhorn are hardly special. There are over twenty races that didn't make the list, because they are generally not in contact with others, extremely small numbers, or not getting any face time. And not being a playable race on top of all this doesn't help many of them.
Other unlisted populations include
Frost Giants - Starting to get more time now that Angel is around more though.
Chronoptera
Grey Fungus
Ae-Silvani
Fire Archons
Nightwalkers
Tsarok-Hem
Sorrowsworn
Ythran
Losalfar
Rakshasa
Sahuagin
Beholders
Tsarok-Aran
Vampires
War Trolls
Mariliths
Evistros
Nycodemons
Frost Monoliths
Succubus
And those are just the populaces that are overall rarely mentioned that pre-date the Drakhorn. The list was, as he mentioned, important players in the world that were playable races.
Reminder, refresh will be in about 4 and half hours.
First gonna post the text about the things i spend PP on last turn and then make a second post with the stuff for this turn.
Just threw up my "penultimate" post. Hopefully it is interesting, but Xa'an's not quite done yet.
Everything that was on the list is either a race appearing in DnD given playing stats, or a race statted by players (the Dasa and humites).
Aradeia
To Shadow if you need help with anything to keep Lord of Creation up feel free to ask I have some spare time I can use for this.
Btw Thought I'm sorry that you leave (and about your loss), I didn't even know you as community member howhever I have red many of your posts and you look a nice person... Wish you the best.
bye
Nerd
Best of luck is 'bout all I can say.
Hopefully things improve on your end.
Just to clarify: my post isn't meant to be asshattery, but rather to make Xa'an into a target. As I mentioned earlier, I've been working towards getting Xa'an either killed or imprissoned.
Well, taking away the light would, in a turn (hundreds of years to mortals), should be such a thing to kill off everything (but it won't since that's not how the mechanics works).
nevertheless, if you have an idea for how you want to go down, I am willing to join the effort on it.
PP Refresh
6 - Veros
5 - Xa'an, Tsarokga-Noggoth, Shurka, Vymrl, Xirinet, Drahthor
4 - Mara, Zophiah, Runescar, Siccadan, The Empress, Roan, Ka, Kiptar
Nerdzul and Dagothi, you are both free to post. You have 6 PP to spend between now and Saturday afternoon.
Also, Shadow, you asked us to tell you when we got to 2000, well, *points to post number*, I think we passed it.
Aradeia
Thanks Aradeia. I'm not at home at the moment (PC during a break in my game), but I'll get a new thread together later tonight or tommorrow. For now, we'll just keep using the old ones.
:P
Nerdzul and Dagothi, you are both free to post. You have 6 PP to spend between now and Saturday afternoon.
Yey :p
Time to start making a post and deciding what to do with my first 6 points (soo many ideas I'll have to organize them a little).
Think I'll do that tonight or tomorrow at most (Not at home at the moment).
bye
Nerd
bye
Nerd
Nerdzul, you don't need to summarize your actions for the turn in every post. The initial post is enough. Additiojnally, creating and organization is a Nourish Populace Action, and you need to specify the originating race. Each race you wish to incorporate is a new nourish, though the new additionas have to be in come form of contact with the organization.
Nerdzul, you don't need to summarize your actions for the turn in every post. The initial post is enough. Additiojnally, creating and organization is a Nourish Populace Action, and you need to specify the originating race. Each race you wish to incorporate is a new nourish, though the new additionas have to be in come form of contact with the organization.
Oki, got that, I shoul'd have made a single post.
Edited my post to include humans and changed the action to Nourish. May we assume that I added Eladrin too by travelling to their land? (second Nourish).
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Nerd
Keep in mind that the population of Terena (the humite city) has probably only been reduced by about 20%. The beholders were off capturing and enslaving multiple races; not just the humites. It also doesn't help that the Loremasters live close to Terena (as Shadow has all ready demonstrated), since it looks like they don't care much for giants either.
And yes, multiple posts is fine, but you need only list the actions taken in that post.
There is a huge battle going on right now, so there may be a delay if you want someone to ascend you, seeing as many of the gods are a bit busy.
*musing*
Well, I suppose humans will have to wait a bit before they get to play soldier.
Tinwe, post your god, and see what heppens. You may not even need ascended.
ekluag, that would be fine, though it would put them into almost immediate contact with other people, as the eladrin rule from their land all the way through to the Shadar-kai lands.
Aradeia
And I'm fairly sure that's a seperate spawn.
It's pretty sketchy action, but whatever, I'll let it pass with just this comment.
Name: Hammu (called "Lawbringer" or sometimes "The Just")
Domain: Law
Physical Appearance: As a visored suit of plate armor, radiant light emitting from the joints and glaring from the head of his weapon.
Symbol: An open book beneath a silver star.
Meta: My intention is to pick up domains relating to justice, learning and building. I plan to make a home for reflavored dwarves or perhaps goliaths, and give devas some face. Let me know if I need ascended or if I can just come in to being at the next reset. I have this thread (and the other related threads) subscribed now.
RITRUDE:The Frost Giants did not follow the Humites through the Bone Gates. I apologize if I was unclear, but what I ment was that they were seizing possessions on the Upper World
Edit: Additionally, AngeloftheNight, I can't find any record of you claiming justice, in either my records or the thread.
Hmm, I'm not sure if I'm comfortable saying that about half their land is gone... but I don't want to bring the game to a halt, so I'll just roll with it.
Actually, this is kinda good news for me since I wanted the other players to pay more attention to the humites :P
Also, I checked the thread, and it looks like I didn't claim Justice after all. Must have wishful thinking, sorry.
For one, Xa'an had already bought back that portion of the Aether domain: http://forums.gleemax.com/showpost.php?p=18043928&postcount=237
Also continued in post #239 and #248.
For another, Xa'an wasn't dead when the domain was sent to Mara. As one might expect, the departure of the Light domain was the last moment. Veros didn't have full control of the domain at that point.
Of course, there are counter points to that. Veros never finalized the transaction, so he still technically had control over the element. And though the domain went to Mara, Veros acted quickly and could have taken it back even after Xa'an died but before Mara responded.
As I'm not an admin anymore, nor a player, I don't really have a say in the matter. But at the least it is a murky situation.
Shaddow:Yah, I had this idea for a while of Vymrl changing to become a more paladin type deity, Just War and all that. But..., not sure if my RP skills are that good.
GrimPoet, the world isn't covereed in darkness anymore. I fixed that right before the last refresh.
Oh, okay then. Well I never really addressed the darkness, and what happened to the gnomes during that time, so think of it as a belated summary of what happened to them.
Like for example, do i need to pay PP to get the aberation domain?
Also, what happened to all Xa'an's artifacts, are they unclaimed, or were they connected to any specific domains?
- What techs do the eledrin and humans have?
- Can I teach some of them as a discount to the Hydra Society?
- What races have being enslaved by the beholder? (I was planning to free the slaves and turn them into a freeman nation and maybe in the future to assume the liberation domain)
- What kind of action can move a large group of people trough magic (is it still guide even if it rely on some impossible movement, like planeswalking or moving trough the ocean to some unclaimed spot)
- Do dark Eladrin already have the druid class? If they don't I think that can be my gift for them (or we can just do that together me and Mara).
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TO WHOEVER CONTROLS THE DARK ELADRIN
The Imperium is trying to get in contact with them. I know they don't know of them specifically, so they've sent diplomats looking for help from anyone who'll give it. If you want to help, then please respond, if not, then I guess that's going to be some bored diplomats:P
I control the Dark Eladrin. They are on the southern hemisphere's continent, which is a quite a ways away from the Imperium. *If* you get there, you might also find the volcano Frost Giants, which would perhaps be a rather interesting diplomatic event. Anyways, If you think that they would actually *find* the Dark Eladrin then just write it up and I'll respond.
Anyways, they only have two things in their knowledge base: Worshipping Mara, and Astronomy. They do not technically know any classes yet. I'm not sure what the knowledge base is for the Frost Giants, (other than worshipping Mara and Astronomy as well!)
You've got Loremasters tearing into any forces you put near their fortress, while Genasi, Humites, and Doppelgangers attack your front line. Edit: There is also the small manner of the epic beast Roan ordered to start slaughtering the Imperium.
Camu
You do not need to pay for the domains, no.
ekluag
Thoughts artifacts a generally unclaimed, though he did specify where several would go.
Nerdzul
Eladrin have the following: Horsemanship, Healing, Stealth, Wizard, Agriculture, Warlord, Blacksmithing, Astronomy, and Warlock
Humans have: Ritualized prayer, Warden, Carpenty, Masonry, Agriculture, Leatherworking, Architecture, Blacksmithing, Shaman, Rituals, Aristocracy, Silversmithing, Reading/Writing, Cleric, Sorcerer, Shape Wood Ritual
Yes, you do generally qualify for discounted guides, until one or more of these races elects to turn hostile to your society. . . which may or may not happen.
Beholders seem to have som Shadar-kai, humite, and human slaves. Most other races seem to have been left out.
Moving a group of people is a Guide Action
Dark Eladrin have Astronomy.
Massive Attack
Just a heads up, if my understanding is correct, they are not a good ways from the Imperium. The Imperium is located in the deep south as well, as I understood it.
Which reminds me, you asked Ice Giant knowledges: Blacksmithing, Cleric, Swordmage, Wizards, Berg Ships, Clerics again?, Use of adamantite, and Astrology.
However, I think my records may be missing something here. I need to go back and check.
edit: Angel, I',ll send reinforcements to help you on the next turn. Keep in mind though, that I am only helping you because of our races previous alliance (as a person, what was it? I missed it on my read through), but I will abandon if the war goes against you. Yes, fair weather friends, but the warforged are economic trade empire. That's how they roll.
Camu, just a heads up, that guide will have no mechanical effect. Guides have to target a single race, organization, or nation. If your looking at Thought's use of a similar action before, it was a fluff effect he chose to reinforce mechanically. No aberrations suddenly started worhipping him. They simply know his name, and might use it in a curse. "Xa'an damn it" for a cheesy example.
Edit: If your really determined, you may be able to draw them out in the MS thread.
I find I have little to do today besides RP.
I beleive Thought specified where all of his domains would be going (which got negated in one circumstance).
Camu, just a heads up, that guide will have no mechanical effect. Guides have to target a single race, organization, or nation. If your looking at Thought's use of a similar action before, it was a fluff effect he chose to reinforce mechanically. No aberrations suddenly started worhipping him. They simply know his name, and might use it in a curse. "Xa'an damn it" for a cheesy example.
Meh, don't really care, just had to spend it on something. i'll change it to beholders then or one of the other aberrations specifically
Spend one PP on beholders and one PP on the tetradecapods to both get them to worship Tsarokga-Noggoth
(and removed one nourish from the Tsarok)
PP Refresh
6 - Veros
5 - Xirinet, Tsaroka-Noggoth, Shurka, Vymrl, Drahthor, Roan, Mara
4 - Empress, Siccadan, Zophia, Yoglith, Ka, Kiptar, Quel, Hensen Jijou,
Wyld, it looked like in your post you use the great cathedral for 3PP worth of guide actions. How does that work?
I count PP before making my action list, and then assign artifacts. Sometimes it results in some crossed lines. In the end I believe I made the corrections necesarry to make it understandable.
Rest assured that anything past 1PP attributed to the Cathedral is a typo.
Wyld: Okay, I was just checking. I didn't think you'd be cheating or anything :P
Most of my actions are improvised quite heavilly, and often I don't know my expenditures until I begin assigning numbers.
The end result is that I do have certain problems slip through the cracks.
Oh, and this time Humites can ask for Human aid... Since Humans now have a cultural identity to want to protect.
Or I'm just over-analyzing
So theoreticaly the 'first' in each line is closest to getting an up. Assuming everyone is maximizing progression.
All three gods left of me are whippersnappers! *shakes a cane*
No, the Imprium is actually in the Southern hemisphere somewhere. The frost giants left on the original continent were called the Golden Horde.
Uh, honestly I don't know, though I only just created the continent officially last turn.
Can we get a ruling on this as to where the Imperium is (or clarification from Angel?).
Also, Angel, it has come to view that the warforged are no where near the Imperium, army of nation. They are on the new continent. Unless you use a guide specifically for that purpose, there is nno way the Frost Giants could send eimissaries to speak to them. Topping it off, that also means there is no way the warforged can reinforce your armies. If you wish to amend your nourish to apply to your own forces instead of the distant warforged, that would be fine.
What is the PP cost to teach Alchemy to the warforged?
@Shaddow- The Imperium is not the same as the forces on Chillund Archepeligo. The Imperium was created out of the Frozen Horde, which left the Chillund Archepeligo with Berg Ships, when they invaded the Golden Hills. The Volcano Frost Giants became the Imperium, while the Golden Horde remained in the Golden Hills. I assume that they're still all on the same continent.
At least thats what I think happened.
As to the Warforged, I assumed since they helped the Frozen Horde attempt to take the Golden Hills, they would be capable of moving to the same region again fairly quickly. If I'm wrong, I'm happy to switch the Nourish. Also, with a 2PP artifact devoted to destroying walls attacking the Loremaster's keep, how long can they hold out? Also, while the Hammer of Darkness and Archon's Sorrow are not artifact level weapons, the Niflendar Flamborge is, its a 1PP weapon. So all together, that's the Imperium, which I've nourished 6-7 times in the last two turns, the Ice Monoliths, and epic populace, which I've nourished twice in the last three turns, a 1PP artifact infantry weapon, and a 2PP artifact artillery weapon.
So, how barring further nourishes for the Loremaster's, how long do they have?
I don't have time for a real response IC for now, so unfortunately that has to wait. Sorry.
Yah, given Yoglith's, uh...dislike, of change, it seemed appropriate. Do you mind? If you don't like it I won't use it.
@Shaddow- The Imperium is not the same as the forces on Chillund Archepeligo. The Imperium was created out of the Frozen Horde, which left the Chillund Archepeligo with Berg Ships, when they invaded the Golden Hills. The Volcano Frost Giants became the Imperium, while the Golden Horde remained in the Golden Hills. I assume that they're still all on the same continent.
At least thats what I think happened.
As to the Warforged, I assumed since they helped the Frozen Horde attempt to take the Golden Hills, they would be capable of moving to the same region again fairly quickly. If I'm wrong, I'm happy to switch the Nourish. Also, with a 2PP artifact devoted to destroying walls attacking the Loremaster's keep, how long can they hold out? Also, while the Hammer of Darkness and Archon's Sorrow are not artifact level weapons, the Niflendar Flamborge is, its a 1PP weapon. So all together, that's the Imperium, which I've nourished 6-7 times in the last two turns, the Ice Monoliths, and epic populace, which I've nourished twice in the last three turns, a 1PP artifact infantry weapon, and a 2PP artifact artillery weapon.
So, how barring further nourishes for the Loremaster's, how long do they have?
The frost giants that followed Zvagnes's migration I think settled down in a different spot, and in fact are quite distinct from the Volcano. Plus, as a matter of pragmatism it has to be different, since we have been playing them *very* differently, with differently leadership in particular (so if they are the same, we have a very, very big problem).
As to the Warforged, I assumed since they helped the Frozen Horde attempt to take the Golden Hills, they would be capable of moving to the same region again fairly quickly. If I'm wrong, I'm happy to switch the Nourish. Also, with a 2PP artifact devoted to destroying walls attacking the Loremaster's keep, how long can they hold out? Also, while the Hammer of Darkness and Archon's Sorrow are not artifact level weapons, the Niflendar Flamborge is, its a 1PP weapon. So all together, that's the Imperium, which I've nourished 6-7 times in the last two turns, the Ice Monoliths, and epic populace, which I've nourished twice in the last three turns, a 1PP artifact infantry weapon, and a 2PP artifact artillery weapon.
So, how barring further nourishes for the Loremaster's, how long do they have?
Well, after adding an exarch and artifact, they have some time.
First, I need clarification for epic populaces. Does a single nourish affect them as much as it would a heroic race? Because if it does, here is the problem I'm seeing:
Say over the course of 3 turns, a heroic race receives 10 nourish actions, and an epic race also receives 10 nourishes. If they both have an equal population after that, the epic races dominates the heroic race with no problem at all. Say the god of the epic race realizes that, and decides to only spend 3 nourishes on the epic race since that will still make them about equal. After that the epic race had a total of 7 PP spent on them while the heroic race had 12 PP spent of them.
I just don't exactly want people to be exclusively creating epic races due to it being more beneficial to them. I think in this war, one nourish action for one side should be the equivalent of one nourish action for the other side.
It's not more beneficial to make an epic populace over heroic. And both cost you the same amount of PP to get you the same value.
That was a problem with prior LOCs that we specifically tried to design out during the early stages.
I'd go into more detail but I don't remember more, and I doubt shadow changed his mind and wants people to pander to what is most beneficial to them(since I'm no longer an admin, I also don't have the right to give out that information). But rest assured. The PP you spend is what matters, not the level of the action the PP is spent on.
The Warforged are on continent 2. The Imperium Forces are on continent 1. The Imperium homeland is somewhere in the south, especially if they came from the volcano, which has always been in the deep south.
Warforged do not qualify for the reduced Guide costs on ships or swordmages. Nor do they have any possible reason to sail to Continent 1, so you will need a Lesser Guide to send them there to help the Frost Giants . . . who they are not aware of at all.
So, AngelotheNight, if you want to alter your Nourish to the Frost Giants, feel free. Ekluag, you will need to edit your PP expenditures to bring them into proper cost alignment.
Mechalibur, Sina is generally right. In the end, the amount of PP is the deciding factor, not the race itself, but there are a few unrelated factors I take into account.
Swinging back around to why the Giants haven't flattened the Loremasters yet, the loremasters have numerous guides and nourishes well before this fight, and your de-nourishing was negated. On their own, they are on relatively equal footing with the giants, but they've always been semi-spread out, with many members journeying around to find new information. Additionaly, the giants are fighting a hugely multi-front war. They've got Loremasters on their south east, humites on their north east (who can somewhat hold their own, and have a crap load of tech), and humans and angels on their north west (which are also amazingly powerful forces, but thankfully for your sake, not entirely committed to the fight beyond a small army).
On top of all that, doppelgagners are engaging in suicide assassinations on their spellcasters and Drahkorn are raiding them as well.
EDIT: Shadow, you also said you were keeping track of the techs of each race. Could you please list the ones that the humites have, so I can add that to the wiki, so I never have to ask again?
Humite Techs
Healing, Invoker Class, Agriculture, Clerics, Blacksmithing, Rituals, Reading/Writing, Stone Masonry, Avengers, Fighters, Horsemanship, Woodworking, Airships, Alchemy.
Aldii, a note. Using Nourish actually makes more people. If you just want to move a bunch of each race, Guide works better for that.
I realized partway through writing Hammu's intro that his manifestation is pretty similar to Chartross's. If that's an issue for anyone, let me know and he can "grow" a little more. I'll spend PP later, after I RP Hammu into the world a bit.
EDIT: I'm not sure how long you get to keep your 6 starting PP, but you might want to spend it before the reset tomorrow.
I'm co-opting one angel and a few deva. I spent PP for the deva, but not the angel since I don't plan on doing much more with them. Let me know if I'm off-base.
Also, MassiveAttack . . . a very interesting act. . . .
For one.. It tips various balances of power.
Second.. While everyone will agree a swarm of Chronoptera are omens... None of them have quite the same idea of what they're omens of.
Third.. Most of the "punishment" fell on the races less discernibly weakened by time. Which is TOTALLY something Yoglith is NOT okay with. ;)
EDIT: I just noticed Massive Attack and I created two very similar sets of symptoms. I'd not read their post yet before I posted, so I'm rather highly amused.
I have to ask MassiveAttack.. Did you also get your inspiration from a short story? I forget it's name, but in the story there were these flies that if they bit you, you became immortal.. But you also wasted away, as described in my disease.
I'd encourage those with homebrew elements to update the wiki with appropriate information. Keeping the wiki up to date is essential to the long-term goal of Lords of Creation- to have a lot of fun while creating a usable setting. If you don't have time / don't know how, let me know and I'll try to fix things up.
Thought's end was amazing, truly spectacular. Kudos.
Also, what happened to all Xa'an's artifacts, are they unclaimed, or were they connected to any specific domains?
Thanks.
Most the PP producing stuff was connected to a specific domain (the Storehouse and Exarchs; I think I had ignored the Time Vortex but that would really need a time lord to control anywho... I mean, lord of time ;) ), so I sent those along to the respective individuals. Though the other, lesser (and moderate) artifacts (like the book of Azazel) didn't have godly uses, and so weren't addressed.
- What races have being enslaved by the beholder? (I was planning to free the slaves and turn them into a freeman nation and maybe in the future to assume the liberation domain)
A little bit of everyone. It wasn't enough to provide a PP benefit (that is, the action wouldn't have contributed to my base PP if I had stayed around); it was just a flavor action. One could, in theory, find any sentient creature enslaved in Beholder society now, but not large populations of them. A lot of what Xa'an did was done with an eye for adventure hooks.
I was considering doing something up to show the pantheon/earth/races in some kind of drawing... but it looks like the PP expenditure list ends at the end of March... and we are at the end of May... is there anybody in the game who knows how to or is willing to update it?
There might be a big ol' planar/earth map in it for you...
Night I hope you take me up on fighting the fungus could be fun
Mech sorry I didn’t get back in time to have the powwow if Night doesn’t take me up on my offer just let me know what you need for me to do to help the humites get the war over so we can focus on the fungus again.
Malltrick, as the turn has already passed, yes, you lost the point.
EDIT: And since when were the humites the weakest race?!
)Malltrick, there is a paragon dryad, so you need to specify in your post Heroic dryads only, or make it a 2 PP spawn.
I mean after the last nourish I threw at it I expanded it a lot and beefed up its defenses but I was wondering what was your thinking on it
Sina: No it wasn't particularly inspired by anything specific.
PP Refresh
6 - Veros, Xirinet
5 - Tsaroka-Noggoth, Shurka, Vymrl, Drahthor, Roan, Mara
4 - Empress, Siccadan, Yoglith, Zophia, Ka, Kiptar, Quel, Hensen Jijou, Hammu
The PP generated by the artifact can be used once per turn, by the creator of the artifact, or anyone who has control of it. A player can benefit from no more than 4 PP producing artifacts each turn, and only one of any type.
Example: You use an an artifact that produces Nourish PP. Even if you have another artifact that produces Nourish PP, you can't benefit from that type again.
Edit: In other thoughts, I'm wondering who will come and see what I'm up to first.
They're just lucky the current administration is willing to let that slide, even though it's against the spirit and the letter of much of the discussion that went into the PP discussions prior to the initiation of the game. The turns knowingly short but frequent and the refusal of stored PP specifically there to thwart hoarding actions like we see far too many of. ;)
That said. I wholly agree with you. I should post more. And on Fridays and Saturdays I likely will, as those are my days off.
From now on I should be able to post normally (and not just PPexpense right before a reset)
Now gonna add some text to my PP expenditure and work out my next move
And what game effects will the Warforged being on a giant floating island have?
Aradeia
I didn't just mean you, Either Camu. Even Shadow does it. There's no real reason NOT to since it's seemingly allowed now. And I know shadow can't change the wiki to make the appropriate changes to make it show as okay... I was just making an observation I felt was in a similar vein as someone else's. ;)
Aradia, since Shadow's not here to contradict me yet.. My understanding of the current way of things is that.. You cans end Ninyada into the chaos for free as long as the move is essentially mechanically ineffectual? For instance, if it is a fluff.. Whatever it is..? I don't know yet, not caught up. Then it's location is also simply fluff.
If on the other hand you wanted to use it to some effect, for instance, killing a large portion of a population, you would. This is all my conjecture mind you, and shadow might disagree.
I will arrive to Sweden during Monday and will afterwards be able to post as always.
It will be nice to get home though.
Anyway!
I am happy that your back SinaSilver!
You know whats worse than people blowing their PP at the end of the turn and not posting the rest of the time, Massive? People posting just their actions without anything else when the rules clearly state PP cannot be stored.
They're just lucky the current administration is willing to let that slide, even though it's against the spirit and the letter of much of the discussion that went into the PP discussions prior to the initiation of the game. The turns knowingly short but frequent and the refusal of stored PP specifically there to thwart hoarding actions like we see far too many of. ;)
That said. I wholly agree with you. I should post more. And on Fridays and Saturdays I likely will, as those are my days off.
Well when the moderator is the one who started it, everyone presumes it is okay.
You could just assert a rule that you can't spend more than X pp per post or something, but I'd rather not have to see that. The backfilling is also something that bugs me.
Who wants cake? Or.. Something else random.
I actually don't care much for cake.
ekluag, no warforged do not have access to ritual casting. And the warforged being on a giant floating island has no game effect.
Aradeia, moving your demi-plane is free.
Enjoy your trip Aldii.
Yeah malltrick, unicorns have been done.
Sinasilver is right. I've been overly lax in enforcing that rule due to being busy the last month. I was trying to be reasonable, and in the cases where I did it, it was to keep the refresh on time because I was running late. But it's become regular business, after I asked that we keep it to a bare minimum by necessity. So thats it. PP noted without a backing post will be ignored.
Probably this turn, yes. If my conversation with Shurka goes well, Veros will be in better shape soon.
That's starting to look like a big if
No go Aradeia. As they work now, creatures made with Spawn Beast cannot join organizations. Further more, creatures created with Spawn Beast have always been incapable or worshipping gods. So most of your post is illegal.
Darn. Well, can I just delete the post and reuse the PP somewhere else?
Aradeia
Edit: No, no need to expend PP to kill dying future guy.
Aradeia
Secondly, for future reference, and this applies to everybody, the effects of artifacts must to be mentioned at the time of their creation.
I'd like to know where all the other humites are. Some were taken away to Zophar. Are there any important towns or groups there that I should know about? Some are part of the Free Nation. And then there are the ones that went through the Bone Gate. I'd like some more information on that.
Futher more, it's the first action Yoglith has ever taken with Chronoptera, and the first time YOU have ever interacted with Chronoptera in any way.
So, you know strange bugs killed some frost giants. Your motivation for "thwarting" me is invalid.
In fact, Veros has done more with them than Yoglith until now. Maybe you should link them to HIM instead? ;)
Shadow you still didn’t answered what kind of action using the unicorns would be. I would also like to point out that wyld and ritreaude both spawned purple worms. And that massive killed the one unicorn she made (or maybe I read it wrong).
Simple test:
Can a Unicorn worship a god?
Yes? Populace
No? Beast
Either way directing them is a Guide... It's just limited on a beast and not on a populace.
As for the worms... I didn't realize they existed already until after I made them, and I'm not in the habit of retconning.
Nerdzul, I'm going to make a ruling on your Free Nation. Going over posts related to Beholder slaves, your nation can access Shadar-kai, Humites, and Human abilities. Those are the only races that I can find that beholders specifically dealt with and effected.
AngeloftheNight, I believe you are out of PP.
1) Do I qualify for the discounts from Imperium techs?
2) Who else is available to try to trade with, considering that the second continent is out?
Others you could try would be the Humites and the dwarves and halflings of Meribia.
Massive, get your post ready for that PP. I'll be sending it through when I post here shortly.
Angel, your right. I never saw you mention that you editted it out. You still have that PP.
Refresh will be in fourty minutes.
Remember, lycanthropes in the mainland aren't dark eladrin. And they only exist among Humans and Eladrin right now.
I'm sure he'll be happy to link the post when he sees.
Turn 28 begins now. 7,000 hundred years have elapsed since the beginning of existence.
PP Refresh
6 - Veros, Xirinet
5 - Tsaroka-Noggoth, Shurka, Vymrl, Mara, Drahthor, Roan
4 - Empress, Siccadan, Zophia, Yoglith, Ka, Kiptar, Hensen Jijou, Hammu, Quel
At the very least you can use the maps done by shadow as a base, since they cover the shape and layout well enough.
Wdir: Angel I answered your approach in MS.
I'm not doing much tomorrow, so they should be up by late afternoon.
EDIT: If shaddow could link the original maps, that would be great, I can't seem to find them.
As for the continents of Zophia, Ardune within the inner world, and the southern continenr, I can't map them, as there is no way of determining what they look like from what has been posted. For the original continent (really needs named) and Taldar, I could determine their features because I either created them, of they have been heavily described and used.
The other three are
A. Not being used at all.
B. Minimally described
or C. Extremely difficult to map, due to geography that isn't easy to map on a flat plane.(looking at Zophia)
What is the extent of the fungus on the original continent? I understand it's widespread- is it to the extent of "everything that's brownish-green"?
Yep, brown-green is fungus.
Is there any reason why you suggested to redo the shader-kai? Something that I missed?
(There is internet here!)
Your explanation for why you went through the portal was invalid. There was no explanation for your capacity to link the chronoptera to yoglith. So by all accounts you should not be there now threatening Yoglith. And now I have no idea what the hell you're talking about.
S'kre left Yoglith. Yes I was idle, but that's because real life got in the way. So what arrogance, and disrespect are you talking about?
If it's calling you "The egg." well, He's literally not seen your god since you were just a divine egg. So that's the extent of possible recognition. :P
As for stealing the creations of other gods.. Well.. You just saw Veros give it to Yoglith, and otherwise are ungrounded on that too.
And yes. I really do plan to fail to respond IC until you answer to the things I've raised in OOC more than once now. We're supposed to be creating a world with a coherent story devoid of the assumptions that plagued former LOCs. If I have too, I'll simply post around you.
The only person who spent PP on them after you joined was Veros, as I taught them a class one turn.
An I will change the unicorn thing to a guide thanks for the response.
And um Roan is going to be silent tell he is asked to do something or time constraints forces me to post pp
Finally the last map didn’t show the new forest limits I would like to point out that it now surrounds all the green area.
Actually, my impression of you both in this and previous LOCs has been that you are a model player and an excellent admin.
I have to go now but I'll post later with the rest, sorry.
I just don't understand the accusations against yoglith in order to determin his response properly. If they're just.. Random accusations to be warlike, okay then. I'll respond as such. I just assumed you had something you were going for.
The large travel portion of my semester abroad is over and as such I should have reguler access to a computer for quite some time so ill be becoming active again.
That being said, it looks like I missed a lot.
I believe the standard application is posting your god's starting portfolio for Shadow to see.
Not being "epic" isn't bad. Most individuals striving for "Epic" wind up with "Epic Fail". I'd rather watch an interesting, thought out god than the alternative.
I believe the standard application is posting your god's starting portfolio for Shadow to see.
I have done that just now. Thanks for the reminder.
ekluag, odds are, if the warforged ally with the fungus, your making some enemies.
Deep within the realms of the Drahkorn several new advancements occured. First, through experimentation with their own ability to teleport from place to place and extra-dimensional pockets they eventually found that they could create pockets outside of space time and bind them to recently weaved bags. This invention spread quickly, and before long almost every Drahkorn carried one of these bags around its neck in order to be better provisioned for long journeys.
Next, while patrolling a beach a cell of experienced Drahkorn had been ambushed by a pyrohydra that had hidden in the water. Between its ability to breath flames and their own by the time the battle was done the field had been scorched with heat. Strangely, they noted that the sand had seemed to fuse together to make something they called glass. Reporting this back to Xarloth further experimentation was carried out until the Drahkorn had eventually become experts at the creation and manipulation of this material.
Finally, and with the greatest ramifications, after killing a small group of Racktheran a cell began to mix the fluid in the insects rear abdomen with seaweed and the juice of Phorus plants. Strange reactions followed, whether bursting into flames or forming a strange sort of paste. Also reporting this to Xarloth, the Drahkorn took note and thus began their first forays into alchemy.PP2pp Guide: Drahkorn learn how to manipulate magics and their new weaving to create bags of holding.
2pp Guide: Drahkorn learn to make glass
2pp Guide: Drahkorn begin experimenting with chemicals and discover the science of Alchemy.
I was wondering something, is it allowed to play more then one deity?
hey
I was wondering something, is it allowed to play more then one deity?
I would personally be very nervous of this idea, but I am not an admin.
On an unrelated note, while not quite up to date I have done a massive amount of work on Drahthor's wiki recently. Most notably with the artifacts and beasts sections, so swing by and check it out:D .
Just to note, based on the previous LOC: A trial is going to be a reset-long ordeal where no one wants to post because it's just tedious and boring.
Then again, this LOC has been full of tedious, boring non-actions since it's start(I just can't wait for the next time someone blows PP to just make an action never happen instead of, you know.. Role playing, or.. anything). So I guess it fits. If you even manage to find two other gods to participate in your tribunal I'd be absolutely shocked.
Have a good indefinite amount of time folks.
Just to note, based on the previous LOC: A trial is going to be a reset-long ordeal where no one wants to post because it's just tedious and boring.
I wondered if tribunal justice-style stuff had been done before.. I figured it had, but went for it anyway. :P I'd be hoping for a couple quick posts and then a decision. No need to drag things out. I think that trials of the gods would be a great start to some roleplay and intrigue.
I'm going to be going inactive again for a while. I'll return at some other indeterminate time, as per my interest in the games flux.
Just to note, based on the previous LOC: A trial is going to be a reset-long ordeal where no one wants to post because it's just tedious and boring.
Then again, this LOC has been full of tedious, boring non-actions since it's start(I just can't wait for the next time someone blows PP to just make an action never happen instead of, you know.. Role playing, or.. anything). So I guess it fits. If you even manage to find two other gods to participate in your tribunal I'd be absolutely shocked.
Have a good indefinite amount of time folks.
Sinasilver are you ever do anything but ***** and moan? If you think a court case would be tedious and boring then have yogolith do something to make it more interesting instead of just leaving again.
The rest of them are all in the aether, well my plane actually.
So you can only fight fungus, namely grey, indigo and violet fungi and shriekers.
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Also ff6shadow, could you respond to my question, as it will influence my pp expenditure of this turn
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Another thing i wish to adress is the use of de-nourishes. Personally i dislike that type of action a lot. Its totally unconstructive to the game.
This game is supposed to be a campaign setting generator, but it has turned out once again into an turn based strategy game.
Tinwe, you'll need a seperate Guide for each race. So you get just Deva.
Tinwe, you'll need a seperate Guide for each race. So you get just Deva.
I realize that. The other races are fluff for now- see them as a motivation for more of other races to follow in the future (at which point Guide PP will be spent).
To Rit with Love.
First and foremost, I made no direct personal attacks on anyone. That was you. I withdrew from the game, and made an unrelated comment on a matter I thought you might be awares of as you did not participate in the old one. You can have your court. I didn't quit over it, I could care less. I merely offered advice.
Now, moving on, I'm not the only one that thinks this setting is flawed. I am however one of the few that thinks it's flawed that doesn't post what they feel are space-filler to continue to build up their PP in the mean while, just in case the setting ever gets interesting.
No one does anything interesting. And From what talking I've done with the few of you I view compatible with myself, it always comes down to the same handful of reasons. And the main reason no one will continue to post anything interesting. Interest requires conflict. And every time someone tries to create conflict of any kind, their PP winds up wasted because someone else goes "No, it didn't even happen."
You, on the other hand, opted to make an ass of yourself. Which is funny, because it does a better job enforcing the view no good can come of this setting than refuting it. No one can do anything without the mighty Rit's approval it would seem? Do I have your permission to isntead sit and mass-nourish some race just so my PP can go up? Maybe teach it a little technology?
Get over it. Instead of wasting space like I'm sure several of our peers would agree is all they do, I'm.. Gasp. Failing to waste space. It's better for the setting that way, It's better for the game, and being a douche is only going to open a can of worms you clearly did not see coming.
I suggest you learn to pick your battles, as I had too, relax, and understand that if it looks like an observation of previous experience in the game, it probably IS an observation from previous experience in the game. This game is full of people who've been in LOC's for various lengths of time. Camu's been in every last one of them, for instance. I've only been in two. We all knew SD's credentials when he was still with us.
Maybe, just maybe, when the game hemorrhages players regularly you should avoid attacking what few you have hopes of seeing again.
Assuming you get this far into my sblock, you can have a cookie for reading what happens when I really do *****, Rit.
Now, moving on, I'm not the only one that thinks this setting is flawed. I am however one of the few that thinks it's flawed that doesn't post what they feel are space-filler to continue to build up their PP in the mean while, just in case the setting ever gets interesting.
No one does anything interesting. And From what talking I've done with the few of you I view compatible with myself, it always comes down to the same handful of reasons. And the main reason no one will continue to post anything interesting. Interest requires conflict. And every time someone tries to create conflict of any kind, their PP winds up wasted because someone else goes "No, it didn't even happen."
You, on the other hand, opted to make an ass of yourself. Which is funny, because it does a better job enforcing the view no good can come of this setting than refuting it. No one can do anything without the mighty Rit's approval it would seem? Do I have your permission to isntead sit and mass-nourish some race just so my PP can go up? Maybe teach it a little technology?
Get over it. Instead of wasting space like I'm sure several of our peers would agree is all they do, I'm.. Gasp. Failing to waste space. It's better for the setting that way, It's better for the game, and being a douche is only going to open a can of worms you clearly did not see coming.
I suggest you learn to pick your battles, as I had too, relax, and understand that if it looks like an observation of previous experience in the game, it probably IS an observation from previous experience in the game. This game is full of people who've been in LOC's for various lengths of time. Camu's been in every last one of them, for instance. I've only been in two. We all knew SD's credentials when he was still with us.
Maybe, just maybe, when the game hemorrhages players regularly you should avoid attacking what few you have hopes of seeing again.
Assuming you get this far into my sblock, you can have a cookie for reading what happens when I really do *****, Rit.
Sina
Sina I apologize for anything that constituted a personal attack in the previous instance, i agree that conflict is required to make a setting interesting, but I will say combat is not the only kind of conflict that exists. Believe it or not I relish the debate that a trial might bring and the possible removal of one of the strongest gods for even a turn or two could allow strategic moves to be made that would not be possible otherwise, as well as creating some possible long term animosity.
As for the mighty Rit comment, the only possible underpinning I could see for this in the instance when I entered the game of how I dealt with the Tsarok-Hem invasion. I have apologized for that in the past, and even at the time I did not carry out this act because I wanted to erase said event, but because I was annoyed by the invading force seemingly ignoring PP and races actions against them, so I attempted to act in a way that they could not merely say "Our losses were negligible."
Now wasting space, I believe we have vastly different perceptions of what that constitutes. I will freely admit I do not approach this as attempting to create an amazing setting to play with, I gave up on that idea while reading through the threads upon coming across the headache of the reshaping world instance. Instead, I view this as a game and attempt to have fun, with various amounts of success. Thus, while long posts about the Empress' pregnancy or laying the groundwork for a race and its future over a long period of time might seem to be wasting space to you, I enjoy the thought and possibilities they represent.
And as far as hemorrhaging players goes and attempting to retain those I have a hope of seeing again, your original stint as yogolith produced very little to nothing of interest and after returning your leaving again without doing anything interesting. I would be significantly more worried about you leaving had you been a long term involved player.
And as for the cookie
, thank you. It was delicious.
As for the mighty Rit comment, the only possible underpinning I could see for this in the instance when I entered the game of how I dealt with the Tsarok-Hem invasion. I have apologized for that in the past, and even at the time I did not carry out this act because I wanted to erase said event, but because I was annoyed by the invading force seemingly ignoring PP and races actions against them, so I attempted to act in a way that they could not merely say "Our losses were negligible."
Now wasting space, I believe we have vastly different perceptions of what that constitutes. I will freely admit I do not approach this as attempting to create an amazing setting to play with, I gave up on that idea while reading through the threads upon coming across the headache of the reshaping world instance. Instead, I view this as a game and attempt to have fun, with various amounts of success. Thus, while long posts about the Empress' pregnancy or laying the groundwork for a race and its future over a long period of time might seem to be wasting space to you, I enjoy the thought and possibilities they represent.
And as far as hemorrhaging players goes and attempting to retain those I have a hope of seeing again, your original stint as yogolith produced very little to nothing of interest and after returning your leaving again without doing anything interesting. I would be significantly more worried about you leaving had you been a long term involved player.
And as for the cookie
, thank you. It was delicious. Victory, hardly, as I could have continued this for an eternity. I've desided to make my god more interesting again and to do that, some old stuff has to go. And fungal regions that have been covered for millenia, suddenly to stream empty into a giant fungal beast the size of the moon, and none of those attacking, even if they are fully capable, what the hell would they be up to.
That said, Tsarokga-Noggoth wont be gone. But it wont be the same either...
Tinwe, in order to make Beacon a nation/organization, making it viable as a Guide target, you'll need a Guide or Nourish action to form it.
My mistake. I'll amend the IC post shortly. It looks like forming a nation is a 1PP action- does this include a type of government, or does that need to be established with a separate Guide? Also, is a 2PP Guide appropriate for adding a jury-based legal system, or should it be 1PP? Searching the IC thread turns up a lot of examples of 1PP guides for nations.
Super-portals? I wasn't exactly paying attention to stuff.
I'll slap another PP in there in a few. Yardwork at the moment.
PP Refresh
6 - Veros, Xirinet
5 - Tsaroka-Noggoth, Shurka, Vymrl, Mara, Drahthor, Roan
4 - Empress, Siccadan, Zophia, Yoglith, Kiptar, Ka, Quel, Hensen Jijou, Hammu
I actually did have a reason behind Vymrl's accusations. Mainly that you completely ignored his request for help and then failed to return his greeting or even seek him out. If you'd done either one of those things, he'd likely be on your side right now.
I see why you didn't want to be a mod, Sina. You make good points, but you say it in a way that's just asking for an argument.
As for conflict... I'm really trying hard to do this in a way that doesn't seem completely out of character. Attacking Tsarokga-Naggoth is just suicide, and none of the other gods seem like someone that Shurka would attack.
So I'm kinda stuck. Unless someone would just attack Shurka. ;)
And a Mold Land will not make land produce harvests. Mold land is for altering the terrain, or for molding it into shapes. Making it produce plants falls under a Nourish.
The Court "does" nothing. It's just there. At the same time, it's a central feature of the city, was created by Hammu personally (along with Rabi), and I had a spare Create PP from Rabi that I didn't plan to use, so I tossed it in there.
1) Prosecution presents its case and defense gets a rebuttal. Both of these are limited to one post.
2) Prosection gets to address the defenses rebuttal and then defense gets one last chance to make there case.
3) A 24 hour period is given for anyone who wishes to to step forward and speak there peace (no questioning for the sake of not creating a gigantic mess).
4) Tribunal deliberates and comes to a conclusion as to guilty or innocent (not sure if it was decided that a guilty ruling need be a unanimous decision) and a punishment in case of guilty.
Hopefully this will help to give us enough structure to still feel like the real deal, while also not allowing for a gigantic mess that could take a week to sort out. If we go with this setup, and your god wishes to have a say in the trial, make sure you can be present and post on the 24 hour period set aside for witnesses. Besides that this should be interesting.
On an unrelated note if anyone wants to scroll to the bottom of the PP expenditure page on the wiki they will see that ive finished off the month of march and i will move on to working on the month of april before long but id love some help with that
EDIT: Thanks for updating the PP expenditure page!
But yes... A witness should be there to explain.
So who is at the trial? What about witnesses? (Shurka was the only one to see Veros kill Xa'an.) Will all the gods know about it?
Actually if you read one of Mara's posts you will see that she claims to have seen the destruction of Xa'an by Veros from her moons, and I claimed to receive some knowledge of Xa'ans final moments along with the domain of Light without actually having been there and no objection was raised at the time. As such, I do not see this being so much of a "Did Veros kill Xa'an trial" and more of a "Was Veros justified in killing Xa'an?"
I was also personally planning on announcing to all Gods that the trial of Veros was going to take place, and then a time has been set aside for witnesses to come forward and speak their peace. I had imagined this would constitute a lot of character witnesses as to the behavior of Veros and Xa'an in the past.
As I envision the proceedings, specific witnesses would be allowed to speak in the 24-hour period that Ritreaude mentioned following the statements by the accuser and the accused and before the gods sitting in judgment come to a decision.
The two asked to be judges were chosen because Hammu thought them to be either interested, at least in part, in the concept of jutice, or because he thought them be less partial to a particular side than some of the other gods, or both.
He asked The Empress to serve as a judge because of her mastery of the domain of Order and her work in banishing Chaos to its own plane. Drahthor suggested Xirinet as the second in this instance, which Hammu agreed to, knowing that Xirinet and Veros had worked together in the past. If a trial were to happen again, Hammu would again call two judges from among the gods- The Empress would likely be asked again.
Finally, I'll expand on my response to Camu- this isn't an attempt to upset the game, force gods out of the game, or massively change the world. Trials are a very natural course for a god of Law and Justice to wish to pursue, and hopefully they'll create some interesting conflict in the game. I'll try to keep them short and sweet so we don't bog down the IC thread with a full page of legal squabbling.
It doesn't sound like a Create Action then. Create things "do" something. Simple making a building is a mold action.
In that case I'll just remove the expenditure of bonus PP and have my people build it. If a 1PP Mold makes a mountain or a volcano, it's certainly overkill for a single building.
In addition, I'll point out that there are multiple examples of artifacts that don't "do something" besides add flavor (that is, they have no defined game effect). Those include Drahthor's Lake of Fire and Xirinet's Eternal Glade. I see no harm in defining a court building constructed by a god as an artifact in its own right, similar to those examples.
And I've used a Mold for a single building before, specifically the Temple of Veros in eladrin territories.
Artifacts should have some effect, even if it's fluff. Wyld pointed out an interesting one to me, that within the Courthouse, perhaps mortals cannot lie.
The fun part would be what happens if the mortals try to lie...
Veros has never appeared visibly to a mortal. He is always cloaked in invisibility to them.
Be my guest.
The fun part would be what happens if the mortals try to lie...
"...And if I'm lying, may the gods strike me with lightning!"
ZAP!
Have fun!
I think the idea was for mortals to use it most of the time, but empty it out for gods.
Veros has never appeared visibly to a mortal. He is always cloaked in invisibility to them.
Or ass an artifact it is something out of space, producing a different room for each trial held within it. And in that way it exists multiple times in a single place.
Thus making the requirement of emptying it out fairly moot.
Technically Xi has shwn itself to mortals... Though only as a fogbank.
Trial will be interesting, since it lacks a key supporter... *polite cough*. Anyways, I think it doesn't make sense for mortals to be at Veros's trial unless they are an exarch.
I can't find it on the PP expense list, but isn't there an artifact (or two) that has all the world knowledge or something similar?
Trial will be interesting, since it lacks a key supporter... *polite cough*. Anyways, I think it doesn't make sense for mortals to be at Veros's trial unless they are an exarch.
I considered putting forth Mara as Goddess of Retribution for one of the seats however 2 things made me decide against it. 1) I was hoping to try and separate the ideas of justice and the ideas of revenge 2) the twin identities of Mara while interesting, would mean that it was no longer a tribunal but something else, and then would they get 1 vote or 2? I would however love to see Mara at the trial and in the future I am sure she would be one of the judges asked to sit.
Although I can't really see my god showing up :D
I mostly meant the accused and the accusers. Not every god needs to be there.
There is also the small issue of Mara possibly being biased.
You'd think that you wouldn't reveal something in your favor...
Well, looks like Shurka is gonna ignore Mara, so I dunno.
Loremasters have Alchemy, Written Language, and Astronomy as direct holdings. They also have access to the techs of Dwarves, Doppelgangers, Eladrin, Humites, and Humans, through the fact that these are the races that fill the loremasteres ranks.
You'd think that you wouldn't reveal something in your favor...
Well, looks like Shurka is gonna ignore Mara, so I dunno.
Oh crap, I didn't see that. Sorry >_<
It happens. Technically, it doesn't belong on my page, but I doubt anyone would look at Ythrexle's for something related to me. Next time I have a chance to update it, I'll probably add it.
Might I request that in the future you acknowledge him in your posts a bit more often. I know you have used him as a messenger once or twice but why not say what hes doing sometimes when Veros is experimenting with the Succubi or building new continents. It could be as little as saying he stands in the corner gazing ponderously at the works in progress, to do long in depth analysis of his psychological state. Would be interesting while simultaneously reminding the rest of us that he is there.
But I can't see any reason for why my god would so
Though you could have this new female avatar come if nothing else than just to make her presence known?
Might I request that in the future you acknowledge him in your posts a bit more often. I know you have used him as a messenger once or twice but why not say what hes doing sometimes when Veros is experimenting with the Succubi or building new continents. It could be as little as saying he stands in the corner gazing ponderously at the works in progress, to do long in depth analysis of his psychological state. Would be interesting while simultaneously reminding the rest of us that he is there.
Actually, I've been playing with the idea that the more useful she proves herself, the more he'll pay attention to her, and find errands and such for her to do. And she just proved herself prety useful.
I'm probably not going to be around to post for the next day or so. I've sent my ideas/arguments via PM to Mechalibur for him to use as he wishes.
Awww, i figured the Goddess of Retribution would be on my side, guess ive just driven her closer to Veros. Im interested to see what arguments you guys have come up with though.
Refresh is probably going to be late.
PP Refresh
7 - Veros
6 - Xirinet
5 - Tsaroka-Noggoth, Shurka, Vymrl, Mara, Drahthor, Roan
4 - The Empress, Siccadan, Hensen Jijou, Kiptar, Zophia, Yoglith, Hammu,
Psst! I'm not on the list!
Drahthor eated you, you tasted like a cookie.
Aradeia
Get more PP per turn by having a bigger influence on the world. Create more monsters, make more people, get worshippers, claim domains, and forge world-changing artifacts.
EDIT: Did that last line just sound like an advertisment?
Oh, woops, I already answered Shurka. Maybe I shouldn't have?
Aradeia
No worries, we'll roll with it. The Empress is a little crazy anyway.
Aradeia
I was rushed, so it got thrown together. Fixed now.
ekluag, while it is possible, yes, you can trade with the loremasters, they have always been finicky about handing out techs. They view knowledge as something to be recorded and preserved. I've been considering that, since others have wanted to trade with them, and yes, they will trade, but each trade needs to be worked out in MS.
Also, perhaps it's time to pull my surprise :D
Edit
Off-hand, ekluag, how would the warforged be aware of Patren making warforged, since they aren't in contact at the moment. There is no trade or traffic between the two.
Heh. I wonder if Mara will ever know, IC, how close Veros came to coming after her when he was finished with Xa'an. . . .
Kind of pettty no? Veros is a little... overprotective...
Maybe getting a bit bored by the game, I dunno
Kind of pettty no? Veros is a little... overprotective...
Eh, he wasn't in his right mind after attacking Xa'an. He was blaming you for setting Xa'an off, which caused him to over react. He was going to attack you next.
1. Are there any openings remaining?
2. If not, are you guys taking a back-up list?
Depending on the answers to these questions I could send someone a pm for clarifications.
Thanks
RUMPLESTIX
Edit: RUMPLESTIX , we're always taking new players, and I'm the guy to talk to about it.
Hey Rumple! I'll be interested to see what you do here.
Well, I might have something soon if I get it ironed out.
Would you want me to post something here in sblocks or exactly how do you want me to proceed (if at all...
)Domain: Rune Magic (2 pp moderate) Ambition (1 pp specific)
Physical Appearance: Ipsu is a being who came from the great void where it stepped in from outside time. It has an amorphous body with a number of tentacles with three bulbous eyes and a gigantic tooth-filled maw.
Symbol: Three eyes in a trianglular shape or sometimes just a triangle.
Oh? You don't feel that Drahthor was very convincing? Off-hand question, what did you think of Veros's last minute speach?
Id rather not vote on how convincing my own argument was, well let the judges decide. As to your defense, its probably the strongest one available to Veros though its not one Drahthor did not anticipate. He tried to address it in the healing bit with shurka, but what he was more or less trying to say is that Xa'an had a right to administer to his domain and when we became dependent on it without his permission that was our flaw. To Drahthor there is potentially no "talents" more valuable because as Gods we could create a race as dependent on say artwork as human beings are on light, we just dont because we have preconceived notions of what life is supposed to be
I'll post my actions later this afternoon (or tonight).
To Kiptar: I think that the free nation woul'd be interested in trading and cohoperation with the warforged I'll post about that in the In game topic this evening with the other actions.
See you later
Nerd
Nerdzul, that conversation belongs in Mortal Stories, not in the IC.
Oki, thx I'll just post the action in the IC, and wait for ekluag to post something in mortal stories about the incoming warforged.
bye
Nerd
verdict, then obviously everyone knows which way the judges decided- if not, then Hammu will announce the accused to be not guilty without providing a breakdown of each judge's verdict, thereby preserving some semblance of neutrality. Sound good?
Unless someone has an issue, I plan to address this "trial" as well as any future events in Hammu's court as a straight up/down. If there is a unanimous "guilty"
verdict, then obviously everyone knows which way the judges decided- if not, then Hammu will announce the accused to be not guilty without providing a breakdown of each judge's verdict, thereby preserving some semblance of neutrality. Sound good?
fine with me
Now to see how things progress.
The stats for the new god is below-
Name: Torvek
Greater Domains: ---
Moderate Domains: ---
Lesser Domains: Courage, Day, Insight
Alignment: Unaligned
Physical Appearance: He is a Brass Dragon that wields a chakram that gleams as bright as the sun. Hios scales seem as if he is not a living being. His wingspan is just about as long as a Cuoatl, stretched out at full length. His head resembles a Red dragon, and his eyes gleam with the light of the sun. He has a stout poise, and he has the legs of a Lion. His chakram has a strap on his right arm to sheath/ unsheath it- the chakram functions as a shield in this manner.
Symbol: A dark brown circlular background with a brass serpentine in the shape of an "&" symbol. The outer edges of the circle has several points portruding out from it, resembling the Sunshine Chakram. The inner edges has a ring of gold, white, silver and red. The circle seems as if it was painted on top of canvas.
I am new to the LoC, so I may need some help on how to play first (a tutorial, for chance?)... so, yeah.
Ipsur
I'm not leaving his stuff to anyone, because yoglith had no alliance, affiliations, etc. Figure the eyes and hands of yoglith are now rogue... Whomever uses them first in a turn may use them, but i do require that the action alternates from positive to negative and back every turn. No one god may use them twice in a row.
So if Veros uses them to Nourish his eladrin, whomever uses the seven of them next has to use them to denourish something, etc.
RUMPLESTIX , you and Xeadin have two options. You can ask a current player to ascend you, or keep active in the OOC as a reminder too me (particuarly on Tuesday) that you are still interested, and I'll let you enter automatically on the refresh.
So, wait til the refresh (tomorrow?) and we are not automatically beholden to another for a short time.
I will enter on the refresh if it is tomorrow.
1. Do we come in and spend 6 points?
2. If so, can we buy more domains with those points and how do we know the value of a created domain.
I realize that'd be difficult to preserve fun with the beholden thing, but if it was enforced, people might be more eager to lay out 4PP.
+1 :D
On the other hand, the Bulwark is still broken, and there's nothing saying that Time can't be disrupted again... ;)
You start with 6 PP, yes. And you can spend them how you wish. There is a list of suggested domains and their tier on the wiki. If you want an unlisted one, feel free to ask me, either here or in a PM.
Well, I plan on buying it right off the bat so I will list it here: Slavery/Enslavement
How many points?
Also, my instructions on how they're be used wouldn't allow for Drahthor to claim them. No one god may use them twice in a row. ;P
Tinwe, The hands and eyes of Yoglith are a massive Chronoptera swarm, not the actual hands and eyes of the god. And they're not at the well, they're loose in the world, and rogue. So you might want to edit that part of the post.
Ah, I missed that part. Fixed to be Hammu seeing the swarm spread out from the Well of Time towards the world.
Also, my instructions on how they're be used wouldn't allow for Drahthor to claim them. No one god may use them twice in a row. ;P
Sure, but no god knows that IC. Yet.
Kill a god, face the court. If the killer doesn't appear, he gets brought.
Annoy a god, get challenged in court. This could be a "justice-approved" ***-for-tat where the offended party can count on support if the offender escalates after offended exacts retribution.
Lie to the court, go to jail. It's a god's choice (most of the time) whether or not to appear, but once in court, the truth is enforced to the best of the court's ability.
Just in case I'm not making it clear IC: what Hammu is developing is a law-based alternative in which to settle major disputes, not a forum to haggle every de-nourish.
Ritreaude, the Drahkorn do not have rituals. How could the make teleportation circles?
Now to see how things progress.
Did not realize that it was ritualized magic in 4.0, went back and spent the PP to give it to them.
But wow, things seemed to have taken off while I was asleep, guess Im gonna have to catch up.
... Xa'an had a right to administer to his domain and when we became dependent on it without his permission that was our flaw. To Drahthor there is potentially no "talents" more valuable because as Gods we could create a race as dependent on say artwork as human beings are on light, we just dont because we have preconceived notions of what life is supposed to be
That is almost exactly Xa'an's perspective...
And it explains the aberrants he created as well (why should life be all humanoid-ish?).
Guide Populace (greater) 2 PP: the demons are now loyal to Tahns, to the extent that a demon can ever be "loyal" to anyone.
http://forums.gleemax.com/showpost.php?p=18427480&postcount=1219
I have a precedent by Tahns for treating the demons as a unified body, no one raised objections to it and as such i think the 2pp should be more than sufficient to give me just as much control of them as tahns had (though at this point its actually less, they worship and unknown aspect of Drahthor and are unlikely to follow his commands..... for now:evillaugh).
That is almost exactly Xa'an's perspective...
And it explains the aberrants he created as well (why should life be all humanoid-ish?).
I would point out that the Drahkorn are not all humanoid-ish, they do not reproduce sexually, they walk on all fours (most of the time), do not wear clothing, and they rather enjoy broadway theater..... jk about that last one.
Speaking of the Drahkorn, a while back I had spoken to mech i believe about statting them out, but because of some clarification needed as to how 4e races worked and racial abilities it never went through. Would anyone perhaps be interested in helping me out now?
Two, should the admins miss something once, does not make it a precedent that can be used multiple times. It should be pointed out to them so it can be fixed.
Three, I did PM him about that when it occured. Checking my action list, he said to make it just the Nycodemons and Mariliths. It seems he never editted his original post though.
Edit: I'd be happy to give you a hand with it.
As for the post, Ill probably just split it in two and move the second half to after you send it.
And whats this about a light child? Is thought coming back to the LOC?
As for the Light Child, that is an exarch of Vymrl's. I'm not sure what Thought is up to.
If I did not manage to gain an "ascending partner" or Xeadin prefer to come into creation alone I think that the free nation can begin worshiping him.
Btw I have a question, how are the rules to gain new greater domains? Can I try to claim the time domain?
PP Refresh
7 - Veros
6 - Xirinet
5 - Tsaroka-Noggoth, Shurka, Vymrl, Mara, Drahthor, Roan, The Empress
4 - Hensen Jijou, Kiptar, Siccadan, Hammu, Zophia
Xeadin, Torvek is now free to post.
RUMPLESTIX, Ipsur is now free to post.
You both have 6 PP.
Is it possible to purchase a domain beyond our starting ones and if so how much for slavery/enslavement?
I basically have the same question- although I won't ask about the slavery part, because Torvek isn't too much into keeping slaves for himself.
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Torvek Stats:
Name: Torvek
Greater Domains: ---
Moderate Domains: ---
Lesser Domains: Courage, Day, Insight
Alignment: Unaligned
Physical Appearance: He is a Brass Dragon that wields a chakram that gleams as bright as the sun. Hios scales seem as if he is not a living being. His wingspan is just about as long as a Cuoatl, stretched out at full length. His head resembles a Red dragon, and his eyes gleam with the light of the sun. He has a stout poise, and he has the legs of a Lion. His chakram has a strap on his right arm to sheath/ unsheath it- the chakram functions as a shield in this manner.
Symbol: A dark brown circlular background with a brass serpentine in the shape of an "&" symbol. The outer edges of the circle has several points portruding out from it, resembling the Sunshine Chakram. The inner edges has a ring of gold, white, silver and red. The circle seems as if it was painted on top of canvas.
PPs: 6
Name: Torvek
Greater Domains: ---
Moderate Domains: ---
Lesser Domains: Courage, Day, Insight
Alignment: Unaligned
Physical Appearance: He is a Brass Dragon that wields a chakram that gleams as bright as the sun. Hios scales seem as if he is not a living being. His wingspan is just about as long as a Cuoatl, stretched out at full length. His head resembles a Red dragon, and his eyes gleam with the light of the sun. He has a stout poise, and he has the legs of a Lion. His chakram has a strap on his right arm to sheath/ unsheath it- the chakram functions as a shield in this manner.
Symbol: A dark brown circlular background with a brass serpentine in the shape of an "&" symbol. The outer edges of the circle has several points portruding out from it, resembling the Sunshine Chakram. The inner edges has a ring of gold, white, silver and red. The circle seems as if it was painted on top of canvas.
PPs: 6
(Just a Reminder- Torvek is a Gargantuan dragon in Legends of Anorbus, but in the LoC, he starts out as a Huge Dragon, since he is younger in this state)
I'm back, and fairly unhappy at missing so much. It's gonna take me a bit to catch up, but once I do I'll see what I can do IC.
Edit: Glad to know I was missed.
Can I make an intro post for Ipsur and then spend the points in a slightly later post?
Yes, and slavery would be a modertate domain.
You are both free to do intro posts. And you can spend your PP whenever you wish between now and the refresh.
Good to see you back Wyld.
1. You did not spend any PP to guide eladrin from their homeland.
2. The new fluff on the eladrin since the followers of Veros contrasts heavily with your post. The new ruling regime is tolerant of religions, and no such witch hunts would occur to drive them away in the first place.
I forgot to mention this, ff6shadow- I am on a Public Library computer, so I have a limited amount of time on here, so I may have a long period of absence. I only have 2 hours per day on a computer. I do not have Internet access at home (thanks to the enonomy...
).Aradeia, there are two problems with your last post.
1. You did not spend any PP to guide eladrin from their homeland.
2. The new fluff on the eladrin since the followers of Veros contrasts heavily with your post. The new ruling regime is tolerant of religions, and no such witch hunts would occur to drive them away in the first place.
Woops. For the first part, I meant to, but I guess it just slipped my mind when I was writing up the Expenditures.
For the second part I guess I must have missed something. Will change the post.
Aradeia
Woops. For the first part, I meant to, but I guess it just slipped my mind when I was writing up the Expenditures.
For the second part I guess I must have missed something. Will change the post.
Aradeia
Okay, just pointing it out. Due to the trial, I've been unable to make a distinct point of it.
And I'm going to make a comment on something here, regarding quite a bit of us. It does not contribute to world building, which is the goal of this game, to have each god sequester their followers off by themselves.
All of Vymrl's followers live in the deep south.
Most of Mara's followers seem determinede to live on the southern continent.
All of the Empress's followers are suddenly making all due haste for her new continent.
All of Drahthor's followers live in his giant space asteroid.
Almost all of Xirinet's followers live in the Shattered Lands. The only one's that don't are the ones I specifically moved to Taldar, in an effort to keep it diverse.
All of Hensen Jijou's worshippers livein the Bloodtsonte Archipelago.
All of Kiptar's followers live on a floating city boat, though this seems to be changing.
All of Zophia's worshippers are on Zophar.
Look at our continents
Main Continent: Most gods have followers here, because it was the only landmass for a long while.
Taldar: I've got worshippers. So does's Xirinet and Kiptar. Were Oravolos and Chactross still active, they would as well. I specifically brought races from multiple gods here.
Chillund Archipelago: Nothing but Vymrl's followers
Other Southern Continent: All Mara, all the time.
Bloodstone Archipelago: All Hensen Jijou, all the time.
Aradeia's New Continent: Nothing but Empress, all the time. Where is this, by the way?
Zophar: Everything brought to this island was immediately guided to worship Zophia. So it's all Zophia, all the time.
Think we can get some variety among these?
Anyway, working out MS responses. And thanks for the welcome shadow.
I was going through internet-detox... It was horrible. Anyway, I gotta send out humans into other empires I think... At some point. Right now is chillax time while I figure out what's going on.
Expect posts tomorrow afternoon to whatever I need to respond to.
Corroran - Lesser Plane - Runescar - Location unknown
Mechanus - ? - Kiptar - Location unkown, gear world
Riot - Greater Plane - Xirinet - Location unknown, plane of life
Feywyld - Greater Plane - [none] - underneath the world, partly in the dreamscape.
Well of Time - Lesser Plane - [None] - Inner Sphere Sun/Light Storehouse
Place Behind the World - Greater Plane - Oreb Nahash (inactive?) - Dreamscape, underneath the world?
Haldonys - Lesser Plane - Ythrexle (inactive?) - Realm of nightmares, inside the dreamscape
Halcyis - Lesser Plane - Ythrexle (inactive?) - Realm of pleasant dreams, desires. In dreamscape
Unknown - Lesser - Tsarokga-Noggoths - Fungal plane?
Alternate World - Greater Plane - [none] - Mirror image world
The Deep - Lesser Plane - Neko (inactive?) - ocean plane (presumably in the ocean)
Niyanta - Lesser Plane - The Empress - home to Jade Palace (location?)
Workshop - Lesser Plane - Veros - Veros's workshop (location?)
Revnador - Lesser Plane - Shurka - ?? (location?)
Think we can get some variety among these?
I think most people are worried about messing with other peoples' stuff, but I had an idea for something that I was going to do in my new continent, but your very enlightening post made me realize that it would be quite good to do it somewhere else. :D
Would Massive have any objections to new stuff on her continent?
And as for where the Empress' continent is, it is to the west of the main continent, I believe.
Aradeia
Also, Revnador has two places of entry. One on the top of Eorna (which is in Terena), and the other in a secluded part of the Feywyld.
Aradeia: No I don't mind, but I'm more likely going to play with whatever you send.
Okay, thank you.
And that's actually good about the playing with.
Aradeia
Okay, thank you.
And that's actually good about the playing with.
Aradeia
Oh, my one requirement is you give the continent a name. I'm terrible with names!
As for your continent being west of the main one, that is where Nerdzul's Bloodstone Archipelago is, so it would have to be even further west. Worse, this makes it highly unikely that the eladrin could sail there, considering they have absolutely no sailing ability.
As a side note, I do want to say that there is free terrain on my continent. If somebody wants to put some interesting stuff there, go for it.
AngeloftheNight, your folowers do tend to attack those they find.
Mechalibur, no, Veros is not directly responsible for the Order of the White Shield, no. Though it is technically his fault, since it's due to an experiment he hasn't reigned in yet. The Order does include worshippers of Veros and Shurka. And is soly a humite organization right now.
RUMPLSTIX, I'm not at my PC, but I'm going to be updating the maps soon.
RUMPLSTIX, I'm not at my PC, but I'm going to be updating the maps soon.
No comlpaint here, I am aware that when things get big they can be difficult to control. I believe this is especially true if you create something with the intention of it being organic and having a life of its own. I will just try to work my way around til I can get everything digested.
Thanks. The effort is appreciated.
I'll also provide a list of every plane I can recall.
AngeloftheNight, just pointing out that it's pretty hard for the Imperium to use leather pads when learning to ride if they don't have the ability to make leather.
Massive Attack, where is Khusan, and what is it composed of? I don't recall seeing it's creation.
A request for everybody. Could you please list every artifact/exarch you've made, it's purpose and divine effect, and how much PP has been spent on it? I've started to find a few gaps in my artifact/exarch records, and I want to clear them up.
Btw the Free Nation is open to the worship of many gods (but I'd love to know in advance before a guide action or any effect that shift their nature). Ofc It'll be hard for them to worship gods of concept that oppose freedom and change.
To Massive: Finally I have some spare point hehe, is it oke for you if I teach something (like the druid class, can't remember if you already done that) to the Dark Eladrin and have some of them worship Hensen?
To Ekluag:
These are the techs owned by the Free Nations at the moment:
Priest Class, Spellscarred Multiclass (controlling the wild mutation induced by the bloodstones, every Hensen priest have this), Artificer Class, Agriculture, Masonry, Blacksmithing.
(lol I notice now that I forgot to teach them about reading and writing I'll fix that before next reset)
What are the techs of the Warforged?
Btw I plan to have the Free Nation learn Ritual Casting soon (maybe this turn or the next) do the warfoged already have it (in case they don't we can go for some "common research")? .
To Shadow:
How much do you pay to develop ritual casting? Its 2? 1 +1 per ritual (I hope not that will make ritual casting super overpriced hehe), having classes that have ritual casting as a standard ability help somehow?
Can I spend 3 more points on the same artifact to make it produce an extra +1 PP?
I want the Bloodstones to be able to keep molding the land alone, increasing bloodstone contamination, tiberium-like (I'll not do that this reset maybe next).
EDIT: To Shadow, Nice Maps, If I have time for that I'll send you something about the Bloodstone Islands.
Bye
Nerd
At least that's how I understand the rules.
To learn riual casting is 2PP (unless you have ritual casting contacts), to learn non-book rituals is 1PP per group of teaching.
At least that's how I understand the rules.
Ahh oke, so learning the skill comes with all the rituals in the Player Handbook?
Good, while I have many "out of the book ideas" at list this is a good start.
I think that there are a few others, but that is all that I know of.
nerd reading and writing would be a 2pp Guide action, and im not sure if everyone else did this or not but do the free nations know how to refine and process paper?
All the techs that I paied 1 are from races that compose the Free Nations (humite have it for example and human too), fluffwise their new language is in fact an amalgamation of languages used by these races.
And most of the races that have it miss a tech to shape paper (or any kind of support for their written language) and so on so I presume that its included in the price.
All the techs that I paied 1 are from races that compose the Free Nations (humite have it for example and human too), fluffwise their new language is in fact an amalgamation of languages used by these races.
And most of the races that have it miss a tech to shape paper (or any kind of support for their written language) and so on so I presume that its included in the price.
It is not. The races that I havbe tought to read and write do so on stone tabletsm, or for the loremasters thin nsheets of engraved metal. I can't speak for everybody else.
The only paper books in the world are divine artifacts.
Does Alchemy qualify for making an inks? It might be a good start to begin writing books :p (and maybe the god of knowledge can give a little support in that noble mission :p)
Look at our continents
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You forgot Ardune. Xa'an made that continent a while ago and it may well be the only continent on the inner surface of the world. I had South America in mind when creating it.
You can use your exarch, you just can't get any free PP from them until next turn.
Thanks.
You can do, create or destroy whatever you like at any point between refreshes, up to the amount of PP you have. You can also RP as Torvek as much as you like. Just remember that everything you do is fluff until you spend PP on it.
Thank you, Tinwe! :D
I think I will buy a couple of Domains, if that's okay with ff6shadow...
If you're picking up Law, you might want to consult with Hammu. He's easy to find... just look for the glowing self-righteous city on stilts. He'll want to make sure that you're up to his standards.
I guess I'll do that- just after I log off and then log on again!
Cursed Library Computer Time Limit... :raincloud
So, Torvek goes over the the city on stilts to look for Hammu.
He flies.
Torvek looks around to see if there are any commoners around.
Does Torvek see any commoners to talk to?
Oops! Relocating action...
(Some sort of explanation would be nice.)
(If not, let me know...)
note: I had Ipsur place the Hidden Plateau in the 'mountains' of the main continent before seeing an update with a map. I think that might actually put it in the Shattered Lands' which would be basically right in the middle of Xirinet's (sp?) domain. I might have to edit that after choosing a different spot if that is OK.
(If not, let me know...)
It's always possble to create more area on the main continent. Placing stuff in the Shattered Lands is fine, however if you reference the "middle" (I haven't viewed your post) that would be where Alexandria is, which would be a no-go.
It's always possble to create more area on the main continent. Placing stuff in the Shattered Lands is fine, however if you reference the "middle" (I haven't viewed your post) that would be where Alexandria is, which would be a no-go.
Thanks. My post just said in the mountains because it is kind of hard to hide a small (1pp land creation) pateau out in the open. But, that might be a littlee closer to civilization than intended. There is plenty of room. I will think of something real soon, edit it in and place an update in the OOC for everyone to see.
Alright, explanation time. Mara is going to go to every plane and ask the resident God roughly the same as she asked Veros--can she modify it--"fix it"--just a little. If you wish to have an interaction, introduction, etc that is great (she hasn't exactly talked to many). However, I need to actually do the action before the turn change Saturday so keep that in mind. A "no" necessarily won't stop her, but silence will be presumed as consent.
Well my god will be against your actions. (surprise surprise ;) )
If i understand correctly Mara wishes to make the universe more stable by giving all planes a fixed point.
The idea behind my demiplane is the ability to move around.
Also, my god is against the whole stable universe thing.
But would love to have some IC interaction on this topic.
Now.. It's my 5am.. I meant to sleep ages ago.. But instead I updated everything. Goodnight, and enjoy the game.
On a unrelated note I just posted a massive post in the IC thread if anyone wants to have some light reading.
Even though this is a dnd forum, Lords of Creation is not a dnd game. They are both roleplaying games with a rule set that is agreed upon and everyone only plays one being, but that is where the similarities end.
In DND one all powerful DM is in control of all the NPC's and in charge of the universe to make sure the players act in a rational and non-game-killing way. In LOC, we depend on the creativity and the good sense of the players to create the world around them and to not do anything that could break the game for anyone else. We do have FF6Shadow as an Admin, though hes only there to judge on the legality of some of the actions taken and to keep us up to date on things like how much power each god has (he actually does far more than this but this is just simplifying)
So, your last post consisted of:
"Hammu? Hammu! Grrr... where is he?"
Torvek looks around to see if there are any commoners around.
Does Torvek see any commoners to talk to?
which would be perfectly acceptable in DnD with a DM arbitrating the results of all you actions. However, in the LOC this should be handled more along the lines of:
Stepping through the fabric of space and time the God Torvek emerged into Beacon, the city of Justice. He found himself before the vast structure known as the Court of the Magistrates, and quickly scanned the area around him. "Hammu? Hammu?" questioned the God as he searched for his query. After not being able to spot him in his immediate vicinity he let out a growl "Grrrrr Where is he?" Stepping towards the nearest mortal in the meantime...
You could then go on to orchestrate the conversation between yourself and the mortal however you wanted it. Though in general between mortals of another race or a race/people you have no control of, if the conversation is likely to have long lasting results, let the other god RP their people.
Has this helped at all?
bye
Nerd
I wanted to place the "Hidden Plateau" in a mountain range on the main continent. However, the closest thing to a range that I see is the Shattered Lands and I wouldn't have actually put the 'Hidden Plateau" in an area with that much populace...
Would it be possible to edit my action of creating the "Hidden Plateau" (in the middle of an inhabited area...) out and instead spend the point to "nourish land" in the area to the east of the elves on the north coast of the main continent?
If not, I guess I will just be stuck with it.
But, that is ok. Sorry about all the trouble and question asking. (Did I read somewhere that in this game asking permission is better than asking forgivenness?)
RUMPLESTIX
It's a Mold Land, not a nourish, but go for it. This one time, I'm letting you do it because you were brand new, and I hadn't updated the maps in over a month.
I actually meant to change from mold to nourish, but that would be asking to much so forget that I was thinking of such a thing.
The hidden plateau will be on the north coast of the main continent east of the elves.Ipsur looked down upon the world and chose the spot which would at least temporarily become its home. It was a nexxus of power lines within the uninhabited badlands of the great continent which was located on the north coast, east of the elves. The god reached down and fashioned a plateau high above the ocean and stepped into the world for the first time. Ipsur chose a shadowy form with a great number of tentacles and a massive maw. There were three visible eyes and many more which would appear and disappear within the dark form. Voices, screams, and other noises would always create a hideous drone around the god and thus it would communicate with telepathy if it did not want a mortal's sanity to be collapsed by weight.
You just came the hell out of nowhere... I have no idea if there are any commoners where you are... wherever that is. Or what race of commoners you are even looking for.
(Some sort of explanation would be nice.)
I'm back!
I'm looking for any city- dwellers to direct Torvek to Hammu.
xeadin, just taking a shot in the dark here based upon how you posted but...
Even though this is a dnd forum, Lords of Creation is not a dnd game. They are both roleplaying games with a rule set that is agreed upon and everyone only plays one being, but that is where the similarities end.
In DND one all powerful DM is in control of all the NPC's and in charge of the universe to make sure the players act in a rational and non-game-killing way. In LOC, we depend on the creativity and the good sense of the players to create the world around them and to not do anything that could break the game for anyone else. We do have FF6Shadow as an Admin, though hes only there to judge on the legality of some of the actions taken and to keep us up to date on things like how much power each god has (he actually does far more than this but this is just simplifying)
So, your last post consisted of:Bla, Bla, Bla...
which would be perfectly acceptable in DnD with a DM arbitrating the results of all you actions. However, in the LOC this should be handled more along the lines of:
Stepping through the fabric of space and time the God Torvek emerged into Beacon, the city of Justice. He found himself before the vast structure known as the Court of the Magistrates, and quickly scanned the area around him. "Hammu? Hammu?" questioned the God as he searched for his query. After not being able to spot him in his immediate vicinity he let out a growl "Grrrrr Where is he?" Stepping towards the nearest mortal in the meantime...
You could then go on to orchestrate the conversation between yourself and the mortal however you wanted it. Though in general between mortals of another race or a race/people you have no control of, if the conversation is likely to have long lasting results, let the other god RP their people.
Has this helped at all?
Yes- this has helped- however- I don't have reference for any of the cities for that matter. Does someone have that reference available for me?
As for cities, I'm not sure about how many have been named. There's the human city of Alexandria (also has angels), the humite city of Terena. And then I also remember Freedomguard which has members of the Free Nation.
The thing is, it doesn't make any sense for a god to be asking commoners for information. If you want, you can just find any god you're looking for without having to ask.
As for cities, I'm not sure about how many have been named. There's the human city of Alexandria (also has angels), the humite city of Terena. And then I also remember Freedomguard which has members of the Free Nation.
That city that I am in is one that houses Hammu. Does he not have any cohorts or followers, or something?
EDIT: Checked the wiki, it has Deva, Humans, Eladrin, and a few Angels I think.
Oh, right, I think that's called Beacon. I forget exactly who's in it... you'll have to ask Tinwe.
EDIT: Checked the wiki, it has Deva, Humans, Eladrin, and a few Angels I think.
Thanks, Mechalibur. That'll help.
Does Hammu live in Beacon?
Also, you now have an artifact in your plane that belongs to 4 different gods . . .
The Temporal Harmonizer cannot current function no matter what repairs are made. According to the entry on the wiki, I made it to be fueled by the fires of Chactross' inferno. That means when his inferno became the sun, the temporal harmonizer ceased to run.
Second, It's purpose was to standardize the flow of time as it exited the well of time(the source of all time in creation, as was the undisputed fluff for the length of it's existence). Since Veros has moved it, it also does not function. It's double broken.
Yay for the RP opportunities still present!
And on that note sina, I didn't destroy the pillar and its still connected the the prime plane of existence, just surrounded by this new plane, so would that cause the temporal harmonizer to cease to function?
So, what determines how many powerpoints (above and beyond 4) that one gets in a turn? (Not counting exarchs/artifacts)
In a word? Everything.
Every action you take is catalogued and used in a formula, which only ff6shadow knows completely at this time, to determine your PP each turn. Your PP is also affected by your worshippers.
Admin awards also reward good RP.
PP producing artifacts/exarchs therefore increase the rate at which you will reach the next PP mark, however powergaming can and will result in a reduction in your PP.
Thanks guys, one last question. Where is The Free Nation? (shattered Lands?)
It isn't in the shattered lands as far as I know. Not a clue.
So Warforged and Free nation begun trading (and the warforged even built a colony in the Bloodstone Islands).
Btw the Free Nation is open to the worship of many gods (but I'd love to know in advance before a guide action or any effect that shift their nature). Ofc It'll be hard for them to worship gods of concept that oppose freedom and change.
I am going to assume they are in the Bloodstone Islands. I believe that Ipsur may wish to speak with Hensen...
edit ninja'd. Thanks ff6shadow
I just saw that Nerdzul won't be back for a few days after having Ipsur try to contact Hensen. Silly me. Reformulate immediate plans. Did I see something about Saturday resets?
I love writing for them because they have such a formal structure... While managing to be utter barbarians.
Saturday and Tuesday. You can edit your post and do something else if you want.
Thanks. I will probably just edit the OOC sblock and let it hang for the future.
Veros I realize that 4 different Gods have a claim to the artifact at the center of my domain, but how many of those Gods are actually active? And I haven't really done anything to the pillar, just built a plane around it.
And on that note sina, I didn't destroy the pillar and its still connected the the prime plane of existence, just surrounded by this new plane, so would that cause the temporal harmonizer to cease to function?
Oh, it wasn't you. It was Chactross who moved it originally I believe. Anyway. When the harmonizer was built, the opening to the well of time was IMMEDIATELY under the pillar of fire, so I had it as the fuel source that powered the harmonizer(I was originally going to claim Mechanics/Technology as a domain, but that was later abandoned as I was beat to it and wasn't one to "steal" a domain). When Chactross had it moved to become the sun, the harmonizer was separated from it's power source... So honestly time has been wonky for... I think 4000 or so game-years.
So the reason the Harmonzier can't function is because it's without power. It's stuff that should have been addressed forever ago, but happened after my first exit of the game and so was over looked because I wasn't here to note it. After the Pillar of fire was moved, Xa'an's Store house was placed over the opening to the well of time. But the well of time has never been moved.
Also, It's no longer at the source of time anymore, Veros moved it so it can no longer collect/measure the out-put of time in even doses.. Thusly, the double broken. But I don't think it's a BAD thing. I think it provides interesting RP chances. And it was all detailed on the Wiki even back then, so the only reason it was overlooked was because it was over looked. I wasn't here to know better, and no one thought to mention it when the pillar was moved. No harm done. The gods not noticing until now seems perfectly logical to me, as it seems largely below their radar to me.
Am I to understand the Imperium is expanding onto my continent? if so, they would meet someone immediately. (there is a settlement on the eastern peninsula)
Well, the humites are going there by airship from the main continent, so who will they meet first?
To Massive: I hope that the part regarding the dark eladrin is ok for you (if its not let me know).
See you in a couple of days.
Bye
Nerd
@ Nerdzul
About this:
Ipsur has many forms. The form he would be introduced as would be as an ambitious statesman rather than the slave wielding aberration. The guide/teach 'worship a particular aspect of Ipsur' was going to have the fluff of instilling them with ambition. The turn after I was planning to 'nourish' them under the fluff of the ambition reaping rewards. Is this ok?
Perhaps somewhere down the line they could learn that they were both worshipping one aspect of Ipsur while simultaneously fighting against another aspect of it. Deities are cool like that.
As of now, I have no plan to move slavery into the Free Nation. If I ever decided to it would be many turns down the road and I would still clear it with you first (since it seems that not doing so may be part of allowing me to do this now) and would expect it to cause some sort of divine conflict. So, it would only be if it would make the world more cool and, of course, with your permission.
So, if you wish, just keep the url to this post somewhere and you can access it in the future.
About this:
Rumple, I'm oke with Ipsur being worshiped in the free nations, but I think that ambition (not being a real "tech advance" but a state of mind, might also be seen as a nourish focused on increasing the rate of new invention and lust for more social influence), also mind that since you also represent slavery it might be hard from the free nation people to accept you (their ancestor were ex slaves after all), since they'redeveloping a better way to write rune magic can also apply quite well to them :p
Ipsur has many forms. The form he would be introduced as would be as an ambitious statesman rather than the slave wielding aberration. The guide/teach 'worship a particular aspect of Ipsur' was going to have the fluff of instilling them with ambition. The turn after I was planning to 'nourish' them under the fluff of the ambition reaping rewards. Is this ok?
Perhaps somewhere down the line they could learn that they were both worshipping one aspect of Ipsur while simultaneously fighting against another aspect of it. Deities are cool like that.
As of now, I have no plan to move slavery into the Free Nation. If I ever decided to it would be many turns down the road and I would still clear it with you first (since it seems that not doing so may be part of allowing me to do this now) and would expect it to cause some sort of divine conflict. So, it would only be if it would make the world more cool and, of course, with your permission.
So, if you wish, just keep the url to this post somewhere and you can access it in the future.
Oke, got time for a quick post than got to go off again. Sorry for the fact that the IC one is a little unpolished and with 2 OCC parts.
To Massive: I hope that the part regarding the dark eladrin is ok for you (if its not let me know).
See you in a couple of days.
Bye
Nerd
It's fine, but teaching them to worship you would be a 2 pp action, since they don't have contact with anyone who already worships you.
It's fine, but teaching them to worship you would be a 2 pp action, since they don't have contact with anyone who already worships you.
I asking about this because it makes no sense to me.
from post 364
1PP - Guide Populace (Lesser): They worship The Great Father Oravalos.
This is the first spot I found of anyone guiding a group to be worshipped.
It cost 1pp.
Why would it cost 2pp to teach someone to worship a god because they had not previously met someone who worshipped that god?
I saw nothing in the rules stating that?
And yes. It never takes more than 1 PP to garner worship from agroup.
MassiveAttack, I think you missed it when I asked this question a ways back. I've got a note in my records about a guide stating Khusan, but I can't find anywhere that such an organization or nation was created. Can you clarify?
And yes. It never takes more than 1 PP to garner worship from agroup.
Yes, I spent 1 PP to formalize the nation of "Khusan" - that being the volcano frost giants.
Camu, fungal grafts are going to require a Greater Guide, not a Lesser .
Fixed: traded with an additional nourish population
Also, whats the purpose of that weather plane again?
It is not. The races that I havbe tought to read and write do so on stone tabletsm, or for the loremasters thin nsheets of engraved metal. I can't speak for everybody else.
The only paper books in the world are divine artifacts.
Hmm. I hadn't realized that the Loremasters used metal sheets. My apologies for inadvertently completely plagiarizing that idea... and here I thought I was original. Beacon has now developed Paper, but is still quite limited in the Things That Write on Paper techs.
Fixed: traded with an additional nourish population
Also, whats the purpose of that weather plane again?
asfaik, it creates weather patterns.
Hammu has made the first use of the Hands and Eyes of Yoglith (the sentient Chronoptera swarm) as a Nourish Land to grow vegetation all along the northern coast of the old continent (replacing the waste left by the fungus). As specified by Sina, the next use must be a de-nourish.
Hmm. I hadn't realized that the Loremasters used metal sheets. My apologies for inadvertently completely plagiarizing that idea... and here I thought I was original. Beacon has now developed Paper, but is still quite limited in the Things That Write on Paper techs.
Humans write on thin sheets of leather... Would the correct term be 'vellum' or am I thinking in the wrong place again...
I never put a lot of thought into just how much tech it takes to actually write... Pigment+Stick+Flat Object=good
My comment about techs for Things that Write on Paper was mostly in jest, although I do think Beacon might make an art of calligraphy at some point. ;)
Nice work with the River, Massive. Cool idea. One thing though- is the Temporal Harmonizer still in Veros's Workshop, or did Mara move it back to the Well of Time?
Hammu has made the first use of the Hands and Eyes of Yoglith (the sentient Chronoptera swarm) as a Nourish Land to grow vegetation all along the northern coast of the old continent (replacing the waste left by the fungus). As specified by Sina, the next use must be a de-nourish.
Veros removed the harmonizer?! ugh. Wel if so fixing shouldn't be too bad I guess.
EDIT: fixed with approval from Shadow.
I would suggest it brush by the single chunk of land within the plane, running along side of it for a short moment.
What?
You deleted Vyrml from the Land of Mist...
That "knowledge" should have been carry-over from the old pre-imperium frost giants.
Also, Far realms= farscape. misnamed will fix.
Ah. That is one case where it isn't true. Technically, the Land of Mists only worships you. There might be frost giant worshippers of Vymrl within the area fluff-wise, but mechanically, they only worship you. An odd corner case of how the organization formulas and rules meld into everything else.
Well what about the other techs, such as Cleric? Do they get that free when they split off or do I need to pay for it, because I never did?
EDIT: fixed plane purchase
Name: Jormundrasil
Domain: Unity
Physical Appearance: Jormundrasil is a single massive tree. It is capable of spreading itself into entire forests, and it can manipulate any part of itself, and can bud off humanoid representations of itself made of wood, but it's original form can never move.
Symbol: A tree with it's roots curled around a sphere
I suggest you give the rules some skimming as a refresher: http://lordsofcreation.wikia.com/wiki/Basic_Rules
Edit: Is there a point when Jormundrasil can't exist on a solely material plane?
PP Refresh
7 - Veros
6 - Xirinet
5 - Tsaroka-Noggoth, Shurka, Vymrl, Mara, The Empress, Drahthor
4 - Hensen Jijou, Kiptar, Hammu, Ipsur, Torvek.
Lord Mephistopheles, Jormundrasil is now free to beign posting. You have 6 PP.
An example of this would be the FR pantheon where Selune is Sehanine Moonbow (althought their displayed aspects may be slightly different) and Sune is Hanali Celanil (sp?)
Basically, I was wondering (as long as I kept 'Ipsur' listed in parenthesis during all the relevant posts) would it be possible to introduce Ipsur to the Free Nation under a different name?
As I mentioned in a different OOCpost this has the potential for them (the Free Nation) later discovering that thry would be simulataneously venrating one aspect of a god while battling against another aspect of the same god. But, if I used the same name in each instance it would seem hard to pull off.
Once again, sorry for a million questions and thanks for the responses.
Rumplestix: Well, The Empress has a new name from the Hags, and Tsarokga-Noggoth seems to have an alter ego, and Mara is really two different gods, so I really don't think there's a problem with that.
(Keep in mind I'm not a mod though, so what I say isn't always right)
No, there is no problem with having an alternate name your worshipped under. Make sure to mention it under your wiki. Veros is largely worshipped as a god of Knowledge and Magic. I've never pointed out his other two domains to his followers.
Thanks once again. I will probably make a post sometime today and then start playing with the wiki tonight.
Hey massive, are the weather and fungal plane attached to the sky river?
Weather - no. Fungal plane, no idea where is it? I think that if you want them included they can be. It's up to you (I didn't default them in since you expressed reservations in the OOC without going into it IC like others).
From your IC post:
There was the buzzing of incests.
@Rumple:
From your IC post:
If that had taken place in the outer realm it would have fit with the rest of the post. I was tempted to leave it anyway.
Which continent are you talking about Lord_Mephistopheles?
The big unnamed one that's "teeming with life"
Lord Mephistopheles, the creation of a forest is a Nourish Land action, not mold land.
Massive Attack, are you intending for the Five Clans to become five distinct nations rule wise, or fluff wise?
3 pp Ascend Exarch: The Haggis (shape)
Just curious, but did you mean to name an exarch after a sheep's stomach stuffed with its own heart/liver/lungs?
So, since it would be a nourish action that means I have 2 PP left instead of 1, right?
Also, if your thinking of the one on the top, middle, then damn, you just dropped a giant tree and forest in the middle of the most heavily populated area of the world. . . could you cut that continent out in paint, and draw a rough outline of your forest?
Edit: Also, Thought, since you seem to be around. What was the name of your coninent in the inner world? I'm going to be using it soon, so I needed to know.
I sort of assumed the middle one was the oldest, since it seemed the one with the most living stuff on it.
Edit: Also, Thought, since you seem to be around. What was the name of your coninent in the inner world? I'm going to be using it soon, so I needed to know.
Continents name is Ardune
While it is the oldest forested area, I just don't see a tree getting that big and old in those particualr forsts before somebody cuts it down and uses it for firewood.
In fact, the only uninhabited forests that have been around for more than a few turns would be those on Taldar, the eastern most continent. Some of the northern ones near the warforged should theoretically be uninhabbitted (prime example would be the one inside the mountain range.
And yes, Tinwe, that is true. I neglected to change that when I redid the maps.
Just curious, but did you mean to name an exarch after a sheep's stomach stuffed with its own heart/liver/lungs?
Yes. Yes, I did.
Edit: Also, Thought, since you seem to be around. What was the name of your coninent in the inner world? I'm going to be using it soon, so I needed to know.
Ardune
There would be some theoretically massive trees in the Shattered Lands.
That sounds like it could work.
That sounds like it could work.
Also a culture which treats trees with respect. If you wanna base Jormundrassil thee it has quite the mystique.
Humans tend to MOVE the trees in their way, actually using them to build the outer bulwarks of their towns. Chopping down trees only occurs when they cannot be moved and would most certainly not be a truly ancient tree. Of course de-limbing trees is quite common as a method of shaping their growth and aesthetics.
Generally humans buuld WITH the land and not against it. Of course they do use trees in construction, however they prefer dying trees when they can (even the Shattered Lands doesn't guarantee a healthy life... no matter how much power Xi may invest in it) and when they can't the trees they cut down would be carefully chosen as to require as little destruction as possible. And of course they do cut down trees when they develop their agricultural terraces, though they then plant new trees (fruit trees).
It's really a token of respect to their creator...
Anyway, fine explanation. Much better than my reason for existence (just 'cuz).
I think this is the architectural description Wyld was talking about, though there is some more on page 53 of this thread so you might just want to read through our discussion there for a better idea of how the Humans interact with the land.
I'm all for talking about humans, I find that I have a much better time answering questions (and then copypasta'ing them into the wiki) than I do simply talking.
Camu, which of the Tsarok were you hitting with that Teach and Nourish? Tsarok-Hem or Tsaroka-Aran?
PP Refresh
7 - Veros
6 - Xirinet, Tsaroka-Noggoth
5 - Shurka, Vymrl, Mara, The Empress, Drahthor
4 - Hensen Jijou, Kiptar, Hammu, Ipsur, Jormundrasil, Torvek.
/sigh
Unfortunately not. I've got a leaking brake line on my car, so both of my games got canceled. So I had nothing better to do but sit here and get it prepared on time for a change.
/sadface
I was kinda counting on the delay this week. Been out of town and traveling.
Fire has been done.
Really? I'm sad, I thought I was the first one to do Archons. I was going to make them all, do the whole united elements thing. Whose the guy who has them?
I just did pretty much that (said that while talking with one god, my dude sent some of his mind to wander around gathering general information about the world, and found the Fire Archons, who he ushered gently into the fold...)
Eh, it can wait till after I finish talking. Just hold off on that I guess
If you need multiple conversations, then get through one and move on to the next. I made an artifact for the express purpose of being able to see somewhere I wasn't. I'm not the only god with such an artifact.
Hehe that woul'd be possible if Game time = real time... the 250 years are compressed in few days, and since people have no compatible times usually replies are slow (we're playing by forum) and its hard to finish even a single conversation fast enough.
Edit: Would it be possible for someone to make a wiki page for Jormundrasil for me? For some reason, I can't register to the wiki, no matter what username I try and use it tells me I haven't used a valid one.
There are 6 active gods and 6 inactive gods that Veros has never met. He has had no reason to notice them, and no reason to simply go loking for them or their creations. And they have done nothing that would actively cause them to come to my attention. For all intents and purposes, I don't know they exist.
Had Drahthor not called the trial, I could have gone another 6-7 turns before I ever even know Hammu existed.
That can be true sometimes, I know. At the same time, we gloss over somethings our gods might or might no do, and we are permitted to make things happen without being personally present. I can teach a race something and cause a new beast to spawn while having a conversation with somebody else, as long as I can explain the teaching as the people discovering it on their own, and a reason the beast comes into existance.
I agree with that, so why not being able of multiple conversation at the same time (while actually they can be even years of game time a part from each other).
EDIT: anyway I'll edit my post so that they vision I send will be only messages, without requiring answers or any direct interaction from the ones receving it. Will it be ok?
I believe the rule was intended to prevent some IC knowledge inconsistencies.
In Jormundrasil's case just establish that you have one manifestation. Xi for example is usually roughly aware of what's going on involving its followers, but needs to divert attention to view something outside of its power-base.
*shrug*
There's a fine line between something understandable and something that's just taking advantage of OOC knowledge.
And I was brooking on the idea that Fire Archons would be something Jormundrasil would know when it hears them, since it made Earth Archons, and unity is it's thing (I.E. Archons are all alike in some basic ways, it's mind touches all Archons and connects with them, so the massed minds of Fire Archons would resonate in his mind, drawing him to focus his attention on something he finds familiar)
If you mean I need something like a body that can move around, I could probably just uproot a tree and have it scuttle around on it's roots or something, serving as Jormundrasils eyes (well, it and the Archons it makes, since Jormundrasil is connected to all their minds, which won't be the case of other mortal followers it may gain, just stuff like Archons and maybe Elementals)
I don't beleive any god is aware that Veros holds dominion over Undeath, and very few would know of Death (likely just Xirinet and Shurka). He only introduces himself as master of Knowledge and Magic, and on some older occasions, Secrets. Few or his worshippers are aware of secrets (Mostly doppelgangers and loremasters), and his worshippers are entriely unaware of death and undeath aspect, so the world lacks a god actively worshipped for a death aspect right now . . . something I may be changing soon.
Will creating something that allow such a knowledge be possible? (even if I'd not like to do that as I'll use an action in game to fix the problem of OOC info)
Also how much do we know about the nature of the world and its people? Since many were created in continents that were far from gods personal domains I guess that we shoul'd be ignorant about their action.
Will we be forced to make tours of the world every age or so in order to get in touch with the event of the world? Or to make artifacts with the pourpose
of learning about the action of the others (so in the end almost every god will need a special trinket like this since its hard to live and interact outside your small creation without knowing anything)?
Anyway I'm tired now, will log again tomorrow.
Good Night
Nerd
Tsaroka-Noggoth's planet carying fungus away way was so visible you'd have to be blind not to know about it.
As for myself, I'm unaware of the Bloodmyst Archipelago and Aradaeia's new continent (whose name escapes me). And I was unaware of the southern continent until just recently, when I set up something to discover they exist (specifically, I set a tracer into my creation forge that triggered when mara borrowed it, which made me aware of all of her followers while she was using it. Using that knowledge, I am now aware they exist). Veros still has no idea where the Imperium comes from. Technically, if I wanted to, I could claim to know where they are from the Knowledge domain, which entitles me to all mortal knowledge, and the Secrets domain, which entitles me to all mortal secrets. Honestly, I'd rather have my god unaware of stuff, so he can be suprised, or caught in the dark about something.
Nerdzul, Hensen Jijou is actually entitled to quite a bit of infor about a few gods, given the nature of your primary worship base. You would be somewhat aware of their previous worship (Shurka, Xirinet, Veros, Tahns, among others) and the lors of the beholders they were freed from (previously Xa'an, now Tsaroka-Noggoth). But yeah, domain knowledge is a strictly OOC thing until we make it otherwise.
Edit: To be fair, besides the Fire Archons, I've made Jormundrasil pretty oblivious to the world around him. The only way he knew the world was hollow was by sticking his roots into it and finding that there was something on the other side (and then making a forest from his roots on Ardune)
Since I didn't know the level of "awareness" of a god I think Hensen will feel like a blind man, after discovering the existence of other gods in his first few days, when he created Hydra Society for example (that is not a discarded idea, as soon as I finished to shape the free nations, and I'm almost happy with the current state I'll turn my focus again on them) or at least after the trial, in order to fix this issue he would look for a way to increase his knowledge of the gods.
Before posting something that my sound OP or power playing anyway I'll preview it on the OOC section, so I can change or just abandon the idea if needed.
Twisting Lenses
This item has being created by the Wondermaker as a gift for his master, after discovering his plan of forming a Pantheon, as most of its creation it has a subtle flaw, but the god of Change still accepted it. The Lenses are actually twin Bloodstone orbs, since they're made of pure divine Blood they are susceptible to divine energy. The orbs are capable of detecting divine interference over the world. While they can't track mortal action they allow Hensen to sense when the power of a god effect the world and how even if the knowledge of the specific action is quite vague, and the lenses are not capable of discerning any action that a god is making even a small effort to hide. Any direct expenditure of divine power with enough magnitude is detected by the lenses, it includes also powerful (epic level or more) divine rituals. Finally The Lenses allow Hensen to discern the role of the gods in the great scheme of things, pointing out their connection with pure aspects of creation, even this information is inaccurate however and only point the general aspects and don't give any specific information about the nature of the divinity, to use this powers the Lenses need to be near to the examined god and they produce strange kailedoscopic lights when used for this purpose.
A mortal can use the Twisting Lenses too, but they require the mortal full concentration and the use of powerful ritual magic. In a mortal hand the Lenses act as a magic implement and also allow the user to track the use of any power with the divine keyword in a 20 square radius.
This item has being created by the Wondermaker as a gift for his master, after discovering his plan of forming a Pantheon, as most of its creation it has a subtle flaw, but the god of Change still accepted it. The Lenses are actually twin Bloodstone orbs, since they're made of pure divine Blood they are susceptible to divine energy. The orbs are capable of detecting divine interference over the world. While they can't track mortal action they allow Hensen to sense when the power of a god effect the world and how even if the knowledge of the specific action is quite vague, and the lenses are not capable of discerning any action that a god is making even a small effort to hide. Any direct expenditure of divine power with enough magnitude is detected by the lenses, it includes also powerful (epic level or more) divine rituals. Finally The Lenses allow Hensen to discern the role of the gods in the great scheme of things, pointing out their connection with pure aspects of creation, even this information is inaccurate however and only point the general aspects and don't give any specific information about the nature of the divinity, to use this powers the Lenses need to be near to the examined god and they produce strange kailedoscopic lights when used for this purpose.
A mortal can use the Twisting Lenses too, but they require the mortal full concentration and the use of powerful ritual magic. In a mortal hand the Lenses act as a magic implement and also allow the user to track the use of any power with the divine keyword in a 20 square radius.
Also Nerd, I have used an exarch as a messenger in the past and I think its actually a semi-regular occurrence.
And your right, Nerdzul. As a god of change, it's prefectly valid for you to notice many large scale changes in the world.
As for those lenses, I'd say no. It would make you aware of almost every action taken, and reveals domains. Domains are specifically OOC knowledge until a god chooses to make them otherwise, and an artifact should not bypass that.
Enjoy your trip, Ritreaude.
@ff6, Alright, sorry about that. I'll change it now.
To Shadow, Oki, so it was a good idea to ask in advance :p
Mind however that the wording of the artifact is focused on the fact that actions that just happens, like civilizations learning new stuff or new races evolving without direct divine intervention, that recently constitute the majority of divine actions, will be out of sight from the artifact.
What if I fix the lenses to be limited to that (or even to just 2+ pp expenditures that represent stronger alterations), and loose the "domain guess" power?
Since i will probably miss one, if not two turns, can I set what I want to use my pp for while I'm gone?
So ive managed to catch the PP expenditure page up to April 11th on the wiki, its become a bit of a personal challenge for me to get it up to date...
He good luck with that mate ;)
The continent west of the Imperium is another continent entirely (created by Mara), and is where the Thallid already live.
So we are far more oblivious to the nature of the world than I believed, I have chosen the gods to contact mostly based on their domains and roles, seeking gods owning domains directly linked to innovation and strife, but I'd not be able to know about them having met only a few in person (even if maybe I have heard about them from their followers while making my pilgrimange at the beginning of my game).
I don't remember where I read this (probably Deities and Demigods), but I remember an interesting idea. A god had knowledge of anything that happened that related to their domain. For example, Shurka would know about anyone beeing healed at any time, or if any mortal is seeing the future. Most gods just ignore this information, unless they're trying to find something specific.
It's not like this world has to work the same, but it's an idea...
First off, impressive, impressive storytelling! I just finally managed to get through all 70 pages of it... and I'm eying the 'mortal stories' thread with a mix of both excitment and trepidation, although it looks like it is much shorter (phew)
Anyways, I'd like to join you all. I'm thinking of a god of Mischief and Stories, unless there's a bigger gap in the pantheon that you can think of for me to fill.
Would you call Mischief and Stories Moderate or Small domains? (and does Stories trample on Siccadan's domain of Language?)
mmm Michief it looks like another interesting god hehe :p
Bye
Nerd
To Rumple: I think that we have decided to move the gods meeting on Sunday, due to off game reasons, while in game time it does not change much in real time it does, so if you want to make more actions before going there I think you can (also next reset, and the beginning of next age will be on saturday).
Bye
Nerd
So, the meeting will be on Sunday but still in the current age, not the next?
Btw while waiting maybe you can post Codex actions in the Free Nations, I have some idea for future developments there after the "gift of ambition" but before posting them I'll have to wait for you to introduce it hehe.
EDIT: btw sorry if I confused you (I posted my message to you at the very beginning of this age, after Shadow reset post).
Name: Nixis
Domain(s): Mischief, Storytelling and Bards(all Lesser)
Physical Appearance: A swirl of letters and symbols. Forms into a likeness of a face when it wishes to speak face-to-face with another.
Symbol: A book opened to an illustration of a book.
I refigured the post where I stated that Ipsur was waiting on everyone.
It can be found here: refigured post
Had to take care of Finals before I could come back.
So, how's everyone on the LoC been doing?
Same goes for Stories.
Bards haven't been created yet, right?
If I remember well Veros also give his "double" artifacts away for use to other gods to help them so having 2 stuff that produce the same kind of points is not useless.
While creating stats for them remember that the majority of the Free Nation population (and their offsprings) is mechanically spellscarred (even if fluffwise they don't call that spellscar).
It is some kind of wild mutation, in Forgotten Realms can be controlled (and used to access a special multiclass only class) using a talent. I was thinking of giving it for free to the Free Nations (replacing the humans bonus talent with it).
EDIT: All I see is Student of the Plague. It doesn't say what the novice, adept, or master multiclass feats actually do.
If you want to take a look at the powers check "spellscarred" (if they are in the comprendium all powers from the class have that attribute).
EDIT: btw if you want we can keep going a little with the mortal part of the forum (I'll be on for 30-40 more min)
As for having them land, unless it's some where in your vicinity, it should probably be a guide.
Name: Azor'Chapien
Moderate Domain: Honor
Lesser Domain: Knights
Physical Appearance: Azor'Chapien appears as a translucent knight in full body armor.
Symbol: A sword on top of a blue shield with golden fleur-de-lis on the shield and on the hilt of the sword.:D
Now, if only I knew how to begin in the IC thread...
You wait for me to give you the okay to start. Which may be tommorrow night.
Alright, then I'll be waiting!:D
So, I'm going to try something else. Beginning 24 hours before each reset (thats roughly 12:30 GMT (7:30 EST) on Tuesdays, 10 PM GMT (5PM EST) on Saturdays), I will take PMs from the players. Within each PM, you can choose 1 player that you believe should recieve and admin award. Additionaly, you can select one player you beleive should get a PP penalty. For both of these, please give your reasons. Should enough players agree on the same players, one way or the other, and I agree with the reasoning on it, the award or penalty will be added to the next reset.
Any objections, comments that agree, or suggestions?
And I'm a bit confused on what you meant on your landing thing... but I'm guessing you mean "if they're going to land, they should probably land near and talk to a guide")
Any objections, comments that agree, or suggestions?
Maybe you should call it something other than the admin award then. Sounds like a great idea though.
Hey Nerdzul- just so I'm clear, the Wondermaker was proposing trading a few worshippers in Beacon and the Free Nations, right?
Sure (and inviting you to the pantheon meeting).
After I have finished with the humite in mortal stories the explorers fleet will get to Beacon for that.
EDIT:
About the admin award it is a nice idea to re-introduce them, but this way aren't they going to become popularity contests?
What was the purpose of them when Loc begun? How much is going to be "enough" for the bonuses\maluses?
What if we introduce new administrators instead?
Hate to double post, but something I want to bring up. Since the loss of the other admins, Admin Awards became defunct, since there was no longer three of us to decide who got them or not, and I didn't want to appear biased.
So, I'm going to try something else. Beginning 24 hours before each reset (thats roughly 12:30 GMT (7:30 EST) on Tuesdays, 10 PM GMT (5PM EST) on Saturdays), I will take PMs from the players. Within each PM, you can choose 1 player that you believe should recieve and admin award. Additionaly, you can select one player you beleive should get a PP penalty. For both of these, please give your reasons. Should enough players agree on the same players, one way or the other, and I agree with the reasoning on it, the award or penalty will be added to the next reset.
Any objections, comments that agree, or suggestions?
I suggest such a system should be reduced to say, every five turns. Having a high frequence means people will likely forget or send 1 PM then never again, etc.
Also, you may find lack of input anyways, and I would be fine if they are just Admin given, say in different categories (most creative, most active, whatnot).
Also, you may find lack of input anyways, and I would be fine if they are just Admin given, say in different categories (most creative, most active, whatnot).
I totally agree.
I was wondering if I could join this game? It looks like a lot of fun, and I have a great idea for a goddess. Or is it too late to join?
As for the modifiers, I could just hand them out, but I didn't want to appear biased. Nobodies worried about that?
Name: Persephone
Greater Domain: Good
Alignment: Unaligned
Physical Appearance: Persephone appears as a little girl, about seven or eight, wearing a dress in a light, summery color, like blue, or pink. She appears as a different little girl each time, with different color hair, dress, etc. She is always very sweet, and very adorable, and carries around a basket full of flowers.
Symbol: A brightly colored flower. Any flower is fine, and in fact, most priests will use actual flowers, whether flowers they grew themselves, or flowers they find by the roadside.
Then again, I'm not an admin, so this is really just a suggestion.
I was trying to go for something that sounded like a flower name. How about Sessilee instead? I know its an actual name, but I sort of like it when gods are disarmingly human.
I suggest such a system should be reduced to say, every five turns. Having a high frequence means people will likely forget or send 1 PM then never again, etc.
Also, you may find lack of input anyways, and I would be fine if they are just Admin given, say in different categories (most creative, most active, whatnot).
I agree with Massive and would leave it as it is now.
Okay then, here goes!
Name: Persephone
Greater Domain: Good
Alignment: Unaligned
Physical Appearance: Persephone appears as a little girl, about seven or eight, wearing a dress in a light, summery color, like blue, or pink. She appears as a different little girl each time, with different color hair, dress, etc. She is always very sweet, and very adorable, and carries around a basket full of flowers.
Symbol: A brightly colored flower. Any flower is fine, and in fact, most priests will use actual flowers, whether flowers they grew themselves, or flowers they find by the roadside.
This makes me think of the first sequence of the game Sacrifice, "Meet the Gods"
Har be a link, if it's ok (I'll remove it if not) - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1AFOkCcW6U
Okay then.
I was trying to go for something that sounded like a flower name. How about Sessilee instead? I know its an actual name, but I sort of like it when gods are disarmingly human.
I think that sounds really good. And flowery!
Camu, you haven't answered my question from earlier. In your PP expenditures last turn, who did you give aether ships to, the Tsarok-hem or the Tsaroka-Aran?
That would be the tsarok-hem.
Also how much does it cost to form a group, like say, all dark planet residents or something
I'm kinda like a moth in that respect.
*must stare at shiny*
*zap*
I think that sounds really good. And flowery!
Okay, thank you!
Also, I had a question. I know gods are supposed to start unaligned, but I was wondering if there was an exception to that rule if you had a domain that corresponded to an alignment? Like, should my goddess actually start out as good?
Oh, and I think ff6shadow asked people wanting in to remind him at 5:00, so consider this the reminder.
Camu, it takes a single nourish action to form the initial organization, then one additional for ever additional race to be added. Fair warning though, that should such a group get involved in something (like a war, for example) only PP spent on that group has any bearing.
Edit: Refresh will be up shortly, after I catch up. Late day at work.
PP Refresh
7 - Veros
6 - Xirinet, Tsaroka-Noggoth, Shurka, Vymrl
5 - Mara, The Empress, Drahthor
4 - Hensen Jijou, Kiptar, Hammu, Ipsur, Jormundrasil, Torvek.
Live-Laugh-Love, Sessilee is now free to post. You have 6 PP.
Chapien , Azor'Chapien is free to post. You have 6 PP.
Camu, if you make them into an organization or nation, for the purposes of that nation, yes, their previous PP will no effect on that nation (with the exception of teaches, which do carry over.). The PP still exist, as members of those species that are not part of the organization or nation, but for the purposes of that group, they must start over, yes.
Name: Nixis
Domain(s): Mischief, Storytelling and Bards(all Lesser)
Physical Appearance: A swirl of letters and symbols. Forms into a likeness of a face when it wishes to speak face-to-face with another.
Symbol: A book opened to an illustration of a book.
Second Chapien, you may have created the feudalism domain but as of yet the knight class has not been created, no nation or people practice feudalism, and as such your last action of causing scattered knights to worship Azor would have absolutely no affect. A better use would probably be to either teach a specific race the knight class (2pp) or teach a race the concept of feudalism (also 2pp) or just guide a race or a nation to worship you (1pp).
Second Chapien, you may have created the feudalism domain but as of yet the knight class has not been created, no nation or people practice feudalism, and as such your last action of causing scattered knights to worship Azor would have absolutely no affect. A better use would probably be to either teach a specific race the knight class (2pp) or teach a race the concept of feudalism (also 2pp) or just guide a race or a nation to worship you (1pp).
Good point.
Sorry, I'm still new:embarrass
Also, influence isn't a valid action. I think you mean a guide action. It still costs the same PP though. I think we have a list of the actions you can take on the wiki.
Ya, I know that... Again, sorry... here I go editing again!
Ya, I know that... Again, sorry... here I go editing again!
Np, no need to apologize. It might help if you go back and read some of the IC thread (not necessarily all of it, that might be a big commitment) so you can get the idea of how things work.
Chapien while the new edit is a lot better, you cannot just say scattered peoples. If you wish you could teach it to one nation, and the various races within that nation would learn it (Eladrin Nation, Terena, Alexandria, Free Nation, etc). Or you could teach it to a single race (eladrin, elves (this might be good as they are not getting much attention at the moment), humans, shadar-kai, dwarves, halflings, etc.) You cannot just say you teach scattered peoples.
Ya... i don't really know the countries, but again, I shall fix this.
Now, to go birth a god!
Now, to go birth a god!
Lord knows I've said that before. :embarrass
. That and hes been working out a little lately, you know how it is.And Topheh thanks for the willigness to help update the Expenditures page, ive been chipping away at it slowly for awhile now. Ill go ahead and jump to may but between classes and traveling (Budapest was awesome by the way) you will most likely finish april before I finish May, at which point just go ahead and start with June and well probably catch up that last month together.
In the back of the monster manual, the Immortal Origin clearly calls out that immortal origin creatures do not age or die of natural causes. Elementals do not have a similat clause, so I would say they do, in fact, die of old age.
4th edition monster manuals are not fluffy enough I think... maybe they are not immortal but how long is their life span?
4th edition monster manuals are not fluffy enough I think... maybe they are not immortal but how long is their life span?
birth - "till adventurers find them"
In the back of the monster manual, the Immortal Origin clearly calls out that immortal origin creatures do not age or die of natural causes. Elementals do not have a similat clause, so I would say they do, in fact, die of old age.
All it says is that they're native to the Elemental Chaos or the Abyss, and are strongly tied to elemental energies or substances. You're right, it doesn't mention that they don't die of old age, but it doesn't say they don't, and the whole "native to the elemental chaos or abyss" part doesn't apply. Archons in the classic are either all left over from the war of the primordials and the gods, or someone is making new ones, and there's no evidence of that. Besides, just because they aren't immortal in the "classic" 4e setting, doesn't mean they can't be in this setting.
If they were going to be immortal in this world, it would have had to be stated upon creation. Much like Wyld stated that angels were not divine servants by default when he created them.
And no, you cannot retroactively make them immortal.
And why not? It's purely an RP effect. Archons have a finite number, they can't reproduce. They have to be created by Jormundrasil.
Further, they would never only have a single copy of something, nor keep all copies in the same library. For informative purposes, they use thin engraved sheets of metal most of the time, stone in others. When something takes multiple sheets, the sheets are stacked together, but not bound in any way that would make them an actual book. Obvsiously, such a system can get disorderly wityh even 1 lazy librarian or reader, but it's what they've got to work with right now.
*Sits down to think about how to recreate his formative tale*
Oh, and question while I'm at it. I assume I can't use my new Exarch's guide PP this turn, right?
Also, do I need to teach invoker class to half-humites? Or do they already know it?
Correct. And the only people I think have paper is are the citizens of Beacon.
The Eladrin use metal sheets right? Or is that just the lore masters.
And I've made a decision on moving an entire race into an organization. It costs 1 Guide for every three Nourishes of People you need to move over. Obviously, I doubt anybody has records on how many times a populace has been nourished, but I do, so if you need to know, just ask.
hehe yes that's the philosophy of 4th edition (and its not bad imho they are quite functional now) but I still loved old editions fluffy part about monsters.
Aye; I loved to read the 3x and get inspiration for adventures. With 4e, I might as well be reading tax laws for all the inspiration it gives.
Undead are not living creatures, so they can't die of natural causes.
Your own logic is against you there. To play devil's advocate:
If undead couldn't die of natural causes, it would have been mentioned in the books, because the fact that they specifically note that the immortal type is immortal shows that they were thinking about such things. If Elemental Creatures aren't immortal for the reason you gave, then Undead Creatures aren't immortal for the same reason.
The eladrin would be likely be users of the metal sheets as well. I don't see Eladrin lugging around stone tablets.
And I've made a decision on moving an entire race into an organization. It costs 1 Guide for every three Nourishes of People you need to move over. Obviously, I doubt anybody has records on how many times a populace has been nourished, but I do, so if you need to know, just ask.
Ok, can you give the details for my races, so I can fill in the X & Y of my previous post
Grey Fungus have 10 PP of noruishes. You'll need 4 guides to incorporate them all. Tsarok-Hem have 19 Nourishes, requiring 7 Guides. Tsarok-Aran have 3 nourtishs, requiring 1 guide.
I have been changing my activity schedule lately and now have less time to post. I have also found that simultaneously with less time to spend on the computer I have less desire to spend on the computer the time that I do have available.
To properly perform the rp threads and such I would end up spending far more time than I wish to on this. Probably more than I wish if I even half do it.
So, I am dropping out of this game.
Note: One of three that I am dropping out of.
My apologies to those involved if this causes any inconveniences.
RUMPLESTIX
Anyway, I have taken the liberty to make a description of Torvek's home.
Torvek's home:
The Dragon Temple- home to the legendary Dragons of Legend. Several floating structures are seen hovering near the temple itself. The temple glows an iredenscent golden color against the rising sun. A sculptured dragon rests atop the temple- a guardian staring at the golden sun, overlooking all of the floating structures. A granite walkway, lined with sillouhette statues, ends at a great oak door. On the other side, numerous hallways and passageways sprout about like roots from a tree. The largest hallway ends at yet another oak door. Inside is a great audience chamber with gigantic chandeliers that hang from the cieling. 8 large pedestals overlook the center of the chamberhall. Brilliant light floods the entire chamber, as if there was no cieling.
The outside of the temple is carved with perfectly shaped symbols and runes in the Draconic script. A long pilar sticks out the bottom of the floating structure and spews out magical lightning- the magic that keeps the temple and all of the structures afloat. Below, the city of Heradi, lies like a blanket of Ivory, and the mossy green of the Argone Forest spans outward toward the expanse of the Great Plains. The countryside of Anorbus- the home of the Dragons of Legend.
Just a notice here.
I have been changing my activity schedule lately and now have less time to post. I have also found that simultaneously with less time to spend on the computer I have less desire to spend on the computer the time that I do have available.
To properly perform the rp threads and such I would end up spending far more time than I wish to on this. Probably more than I wish if I even half do it.
So, I am dropping out of this game.
Note: One of three that I am dropping out of.
My apologies to those involved if this causes any inconveniences.
RUMPLESTIX
You're leaving? Awww... but I was just getting started...
None of that gets to exist until you create it though.
What do you mean?
That means that everytime there is a reset, I have to pay that much PP just to keep the place intact?
You make it once and only once. Though for some gods (Xirinet is an example) there is a "Home Base" on the prime plane from which they yend to base their operations.
"Home Base" is a plane or demiplane.
You make it once and only once. Though for some gods (Xirinet is an example) there is a "Home Base" on the prime plane from which they yend to base their operations.
Well, in that case, I will create the place described in the last post for 3 PP. :D
Or should I do it for 4 PP? Which would be best?
You could do it all as a Create Plane (Lesser) (2 PP). This essentially places it within a demi-plane, not on the surface of the world. Within your demi-plane, things pretty much conform to your will. Note that it will be uninhabited though
I can handle that. It shall be placed amongst the Astral Sea as one of the Divine Planes. 2 PP.
Name of new Demi- Plane: Xeronet (Plane of Sunshine)
I like how the Astral Sea fits in with Torvek. It fits his personality quite well.
We don't have an astral sea. But you could make it anywhere really. Just keep in mind it has no effect until you post the PP expenditure in the IC thread.
I saw in the Basic Rules the Astral Sea...
Is there a page that shows all of the current planes and demi- planes so that I can see where to place Xeronet? I would appreciate that.
We have the Prime Plane.
Greater Planes include:
Another World: Assumed to be Shadowfell like.
Chaos - The elemental chaos
Farscape - Realm of the dead. A misty plane where spirits slowly move towards obvlivion
Outer Realms - Essentially the far realms.
It's basically the Feywild... just... spelled differently...
5PP-Create Plane, Greater: Tamurung, The Bound Plane (The extra PP represents the lack of access via the Skyway River.)
And Feywyld? Bah. Now I have to change every time I mention it in the game history :D
Camu
Grey Fungus have 10 PP of noruishes. You'll need 4 guides to incorporate them all. Tsarok-Hem have 19 Nourishes, requiring 7 Guides. Tsarok-Aran have 3 nourtishs, requiring 1 guide.
Ok, that makes 14 guides in total.
Action from last turn:
(nourish populace (Thallid) XPP+1PP from Spore chambers)
(guide populaces YPP + 1PP from Nugorroth: Tsarok-Hem, Tsarok-Aran and grey fungi are grouped together to become one faction under "The Link". Do the unintelligent species also have to be placed in the faction, like the Narrok and the non sentient minion fungi of the grey fungus?)
( X + Y = 6PP. The X and Y will be defined when my OOC question is awnsered )
So if for my last turn I make X=0 and Y=6, the I'm already halfway, basicly placing all Tsarok-Hem in the organisation and then simply add the other 2 this turn.
On another note, would you please stop assuming my priests are lying to you? ;)
1. Thank you Camu for mentioning here the specifics of that post.
2. Could everybody give me a listing of their artifacts and exarchs, and what there effects are?
and here you go:
Artifacts:
Embryonic Shell (combat +1)
Dermal armor (combat +1)
Spore Chambers (nourish +1PP)
Black Breath of Decay (combat +1)
Fungal plane also has been merged with the 4 seed artifacts, allowing it to provide the following:
+1PP for Imprison
+1PP for Create
+1PP for Spawn
+1 combat bonus
Exarchs:
Nuggoroth (+1PP for guide populace)
Unggar-Raggnu (+1PP for mold land and +1 combat)
Nanurri, the white fungus (+1PP for Shape)
Nibiru (+1PP for mold land): Used to be of Xa'an
Aether Ripples (+1 PP Guide)
Bloodstone (+1 PP Nourish)
Bloodways (2 PP artifact, it can create short lived portals to any place)
The Compass of Shifting Routes (1 PP artifact A gift to a pirate captain from the Wondermaker, the Compass is capable of showing the way to the thing that the user desire most, however it does not find what is really needed and usually it brings more harm than benefits).
Arcane Focuser (Hanvis Machine) (2 PP it creates a lot of bloodstone tainted residuum, it is the key for Boodstone Techonlogy)
Exarchs
Wondermaker, The (+1 Create PP)
Everything is on my wiki page Hensen Jijou
Cloak of Madness: +1 combat
Gates of Bone: +1 combat
Eye of Restraint: +1 combat and +1 Nourish
Storehouse of Light: Nourish PP
Ziggurat of Drahthor: Spawn PP
Bloodlight: +1 combat
Lake of Fire: A single PP artifact that acts as a beacon to the souls of those who worship Drahthor to be reborn on its shores.
Exarchs:
The Herald: 1pp Guide Actions
None
Exarchs:
Convincer: 1pp guide
Zatty (coming next turn, but I figured I'd put it in now): 1 pp nourish
Eorna (6 PP artifact - guide and nourish)
Staff of Shurka - +1 combat
Feyspark - +1 combat
Infinite Glade - 1PP artifact, so does nothing
Temporal Eye - 1PP
Exarchs
Annolum - shape
Selya - +1 combat
What is the LoC: Mortal Stories thread about? Just curious...
The Code: +1PP Guide
Hammer of Law: +1 combat
The Court of the Magistrate (minor): Mortals within cannot lie
The Provost's Halls (minor): Mortals within cannot lie
Exarchs:
Rabi the Smith: +1 Create
ff6shadow-
What is the LoC: Mortal Stories thread about? Just curious...
You can post about anything the mortals are doing. Each person usually controls the races they make, or mortals in organizations they made. Also in the IC thread, you actually need to show how much PP you spent. So at the end of your post do something like this:
2 PP (Create Plane) - Created Xeronet.
You can post about anything the mortals are doing. Each person usually controls the races they make, or mortals in organizations they made. Also in the IC thread, you actually need to show how much PP you spent. So at the end of your post do something like this:
2 PP (Create Plane) - Created Xeronet.
So, the Mortal Stories coinside with the In Character LoC Thread? Basically the Mortal Stories tells the mortal beings (or the Exarches) point of view. Sounds like a lot of multi- tasking, but a lot of fun! :D
Also, thanks for the tip. ;)
Should Hammu be feeling just a tad insulted right now, or did you miss his words to the gods at the Palace of Xa'an?
@Ritreaude
Should Hammu be feeling just a tad insulted right now, or did you miss his words to the gods at the Palace of Xa'an?
I think i missed it, let me go back and check again real quick.
Yeah, I apologize I did not see it the first time around, I edited the post to address Hammu as well.
The In Character thread can be found here. This is where you post what yourgod is doing and such.
Mortal Stories is a thread of material with no game bearing at all. It's pure RP, using the setting itself.
The In Character thread can be found here. This is where you post what your god is doing and such.
Hmmm... so the Mortal Stories can be the point of view from virtually ANYBODY that you can think of? I like that! :D
First, you can write from the point of view of anybody, and create legends and history for the setting.
Second, none of this ancillary material clogs up the actual IC thread. Which means players with limited time need only view the actual god related posts, only needing to deal with MS if they have the time or wish to.
The only rule I would have regarding the Mortal Stories thread is that you do not post as your god directly, nor are exarchs truly appropriate there either.
Right. The advantage of Mortal Stories is twofold.
First, you can write from the point of view of anybody, and create legends and history for the setting.
Second, none of this ancillary material clogs up the actual IC thread. Which means players with limited time need only view the actual god related posts, only needing to deal with MS if they have the time or wish to.
The only rule I would have regarding the Mortal Stories thread is that you do not post as your god directly, nor are exarchs truly appropriate there either.
I get it now. The thread has to do with those that are on the material worlds. Gotcha! ;)
Mehcalibur, you've already used a Guide Artifact this turn (0+1PP (Eona) - Half-Humites learn the Invoker class), so you cannot benefit from another artifact offering Guide PP.
Not a very good artifact to give me then, since I all ready have guide and nourish. And rarely use spawn :P
Actually, he listed it under his PP expenditure, so couldn't I use it anyway?
PP Refresh
7 - Veros
6 - Xirinet, Tsaroka-Noggoth, Shurka, The Empress, Vymrl, Mara,
5 - Drahthor, Hensen Jijou
4 - Kiptar, Hammu, Ipsur, Jormundrasil, Azor-Chapien, Sessilee, Nixis, Torvek
Award
Mara has been given a PP award this turn.
Marock nodded knowingly. "I know why your here. Teeg, Veros bless him, knows that I always kept a copy of every record. I imagine he sent you here for them, right?"
The youth nodded slightly.
Marock laughed slightly, and then was briefly interrupted by a coughing fit. Once he caught his breath again, he continued. "Return to the church, acolyte. Tell his most honored holiness Teeg, that I don't have the records he seeks. I sold them to a loremaster nearly a century ago in exchange for the knowledge of how to cure my wife's wasting disease. He'll have to barter with them if he wants copies."
Just to be clear, my description of the fire at the temple was illustrative, not definitive. In my action I said, and emphasized "All" copies were destroyed. All copies, wherever they were, and in whoever's possession were destroyed (including the Marans').
Anyways, I need a clarification. Which dwarves did I get to worship Mara. I though they were all in one place, so I would like to shore that up as tho which ones are and aren't, if that's the case.
Just to be clear, my description of the fire at the temple was illustrative, not definitive. In my action I said, and emphasized "All" copies were destroyed. All copies, wherever they were, and in whoever's possession were destroyed (including the Marans').
Anyways, I need a clarification. Which dwarves did I get to worship Mara. I though they were all in one place, so I would like to shore that up as tho which ones are and aren't, if that's the case.
You got dwarves in general. Which tend to live anywhere up until now. They haven't had a homeland in a long time.
And yes, you tried to destroy all copies. And I used 1 PP to say that there were another set that you missed.
Artifacts
Hellrime Codex-Source of Magic (Prevents magic from being revoked through a 1PP action)
Flesh-Pools of Asem- 1PP spawn
Niflendar Flamborge- +1 Combat
Anomolaic Bindings- 1PP Imprison
Malrime Ballista- 2PP mortal combat
Ex-Temporal Shell- Allows Vymrl and gods of his choice to pass through, otherwise it takes 2PP to destroy and pass through.
Exarchs
Argus- 1PP Imprison
Light Child-1PP Nourish
S'kre- 1PP Combat
Anyways, In your hypothetical case, I think you ncould probably get away with a 1 PP Guide - something like "explore the world and report on races." Maybe.
Artifacts:
Atakhari (1 PP Nourish)
The Heart (1 PP Mold, Portal to Chaos)
Land Spike (1 PP Create, +2 Combat)
Leilaka (1 PP Shape Populace)
The Rain (1 PP Spawn)
Envious Glass (Scry from Reflective Surface)
Pool of Mists (View things far away)
Exarchs:
Priya (1 PP Guide)
Tsul'Kalu (+2 Combat)
Aradeia
Chapien that should be fine and come on camu, I personally find this just a little bit funny.
Alright, thanks.
My action has been directly negated four times now. I thought it was considered "rude" to negate other people's actions?
Isn't burning every single copy of every single record for a people considered somewhat... not nice?
Okay Massive, I'm going to do something that he pretty much has to respond to, so he may be out of PP by the time you burn them again. :P
Oh good, so we can continue this next turn too.
So the standoff will continue.
Topheh, were you talking about Shurka, because Terena (The city) isn't an island.
Ya, he was speaking of me. I got lonely
Is the game history absolutely accurate in that the sahaugin are meant to hate anything created by the Empress and Drahthor?
Originally yes, however after thousands of years without attention and the death of a god I figured whatever, plus im not even sure what the mechanical implications of that action would be.
There hasn't been a good explanation as to why they need to continue to exist.
It's a defining nature of my priesthood. They keep exacting records of everything and anything they encounter and/or do on a day to day basis, priding themselves on preserving the knowledge of events. A long standing temple of Veros will have records running back through the centuries to it's founding, and be able to tell you ever last tithe and contribution it has recieved and how it was spent. Every last priest who gave a sermon in the temple. The exact texts of those sermons. A full report of the damage dealt by a small fire in the kitchen during the summer, down to the number of wooden bowls lost to it and how much it required to replace them. To simply have the records of an extremely important event in the history of the largest and oldest Veros temple wiped out for no apparent reason, doesn't make any sense.
Looks like Massive and Shadow are finding more creative ways to condradict each other :P
I always though of Shurka as talking like... well, nothing. He doesn't have a mouth. When he talks people know what he just said even though he didn't say anything. Does that make any sense?
I'd imagine Veros talks like the typical old sage.
Well, since Mara is sort of the Matron of revolution, I'm thinking of playing on it.
should be interesting, I did take some fluffy precautions against this so we will see how it pans out.
But the game history page is now up to date, or at least up to date as I see it. Please go take a look and modify it... I kept what I thought was important and a bit of extra fluff for fun, but I'm sure there are important things that I missed (for instance, I just realized that I dont think I ever mentioned the Patren... but I really dont want to go back and fix that
)Anyways, if you want a quick refresher as to whats happened in the world, go take a look. I think you guys have made a really cool place.
http://lordsofcreation.wikia.com/wiki/Game_History
I always spent it.
So if I want to send envoys to both the Imperium and Drathor asteroid from the free nations do I need to spend 2 guide PP?
From last Ritreaude post it looked like it was free (in that case I wasted 2 actions hehe)
It's a defining nature of my priesthood. They keep exacting records of everything and anything they encounter and/or do on a day to day basis, priding themselves on preserving the knowledge of events. A long standing temple of Veros will have records running back through the centuries to it's founding, and be able to tell you ever last tithe and contribution it has recieved and how it was spent. Every last priest who gave a sermon in the temple. The exact texts of those sermons. A full report of the damage dealt by a small fire in the kitchen during the summer, down to the number of wooden bowls lost to it and how much it required to replace them. To simply have the records of an extremely important event in the history of the largest and oldest Veros temple wiped out for no apparent reason, doesn't make any sense.
But the general historical methodology of the priests is not a sufficient reason to override the specific event circumstance being done by Mara/priests of Mara. Unless the priests of Veros make infinite copies of every record at all times as standard policy, something you have not stated, nor would it even be sensible to, then it would be possible that records could be lost or destroyed. Therefore, there is no particular reason why I should be being countermanded. And there are, in fact, specific reasons, which I indicated or implied, as to why those records were (trying to be) destroyed.
So while the Drahkorn are capable of making weapons, they normally use these to outfit the sahaugins with.
You know what would make the MOST sense? if the two of you talked it out, decided on a course of action, and wound up doing something universally more interesting than the whole records back an forth nonsense in the first place.
But the game history page is now up to date, or at least up to date as I see it. Please go take a look and modify it... I kept what I thought was important and a bit of extra fluff for fun, but I'm sure there are important things that I missed (for instance, I just realized that I dont think I ever mentioned the Patren... but I really dont want to go back and fix that
Anyways, if you want a quick refresher as to whats happened in the world, go take a look. I think you guys have made a really cool place.
http://lordsofcreation.wikia.com/wiki/Game_History
You, my good sir, are a scholar and a gentleman. Seriously, that was an impressive undertaking and you deserve mad props for completing it.
Just thought I'd make a small comment to Massive and Shadow:
You know what would make the MOST sense? if the two of you talked it out, decided on a course of action, and wound up doing something universally more interesting than the whole records back an forth nonsense in the first place.
Makes sense, although I do see this all as very amusing...
And Topheh: THANK YOU SO MUCH. Really, we needed someone to do that for a long time. You are awesome.
And Chapien, from one newbie to another, I think you're doing great. We've just gotta play catch up.
Aradeia
In all honosty, the hardest part in this is waiting for the next person to post... I suck at paitience (and spelling).
Well, I'm on now :P
Yay! No more wait!
Boo! Massive time difference!
Oh, and quick question. If I want to make a paragon path for a class, is that 2PP guide as well?
Yeah, Germany and L.A.'ll do that.
Good thing I'm moving back to San Fransisco next month...
Also, being out of PP can suck... I have made a race that doesn't worship me...
Just thought I'd make a small comment to Massive and Shadow:
You know what would make the MOST sense? if the two of you talked it out, decided on a course of action, and wound up doing something universally more interesting than the whole records back an forth nonsense in the first place.
Sometimes that's just not going to happen.
Anyways, to avoid this in the future I propose a new rule: something I think of as the "Double Negation Rule." If an original action is directly negated and then directly re-instated, it cannot be negated again.
(This rule would not apply to indirect means around a negation/action.)
(This rule would not apply to indirect means around a negation/action.)
Such as making the records an artifact?
I do like the restriction, though... the nourish/denourish of the fungi got pretty old too. I don't think that kind of back and forth really adds anything to the game.
hehe. I should have claimed them first and turned them into mischief-makers.
Thank god I can claim 'em day after tomarrow...
For some reason, I think the stories are going to have a mischievious stream... Please, leave my people intact:D
Yeah, Germany and L.A.'ll do that.
Oh, and quick question. If I want to make a paragon path for a class, is that 2PP guide as well?
That's what I did.
Such as making the records an artifact?
I do like the restriction, though... the nourish/denourish of the fungi got pretty old too. I don't think that kind of back and forth really adds anything to the game.
Right but to clarify, denourishes/nourishes going back and forth as the result of the normal course of war wouldn't be a direct negation under that rule.
. I PMed ff6shadow about joining and he said to post my gods bio here, so here we go:Name: Chroma
Domain: Chaos
Physical Appearance: Chroma appears as a multicoloured and every shifting being of light, assuming numerous forms so quickly that when you blink once he may be a prismatic dragon, and if you blink again he could be the multi-coloured silhouette of an elf. His only constant feature is that all of his forms have a single large eye. When dealing with others, Chroma attempts to stay in the more static form of a giant, but will often devolve back to shifting if he gets excited or angry.
Symbol: An eyeball in the centre of a rainbow spiral.
I really look forward to getting involved.
Thanks Mechalibur, you're actually the one I wanted to ask
Massive, I agree... wartime is something else.
And yay, new folk! I'm tired of being the baby of the gods.
Alright, I need a concise history of Duskpeak/the Dwarves (and halflings, vampires, what not when applicable), please. I can't piece the story together from the wiki (and links to actions) of what happened after the explosion. Also, do they know sailing yet?
That is a complicated one.
Essentially, the halflings lived in the golden hills, followed soon after by the dwarves.
About the same time as the dwarves came to the golden hills, the eladrin grew up to their northwest. During this time, doppelgangerts infiltrated all three races.
The dwarves and halflings, both being worshippers of Eijra began to work together, with dwarves as the leader, though eladrin began to take control of some halflings as well. As a counter to this, the dwarves formed the Kigdom of Duska Krak, taking total control over the Golden Hills, and standing against the eladrin. This resulted in one battle, but little else other than hostilities.
Then came the frost giant war. Followed by the Tsarok invasion. At this point, halflings and dwarves both left the world for the feywyld, and the doppelgangers claimed their territory, keeping up the guise of halflings and dwarves.
Several centuries passed, and the dwarves and halflings returned, but were split. Half returned to Duska Krak, rejoining the ancient nation, though now unknowingly under their doppelganger leaders. The other half became the nation of Kraka Kalafi (which I am frequently mistyping as Kalafi Krak).
As for Kraka Kalafi, it has pretty much lived an idylic life on it's islands, with little contact with outsiders, since it's inception. For their inception, they only worshipper Ejra, losing all access to divine magic when she perished. Veros recently reminded them of the long forgotten worship of him, and restored their divine magic.
Duska Krak, after the return, drove humites out of the Golden Hills into the north. In the only battle that resulted from this, a small force of dwarves and doppels, lead by a doppel wizard were slaughtered by humites and treants. Veros experimentally returned them to life as vampires. Unable to control the bloodlust from their initial birth, they slaughtered the humite village almost to the man, before fleeing to the north, seeking a dwarven stronghold long abanadoned after it's fall to frost giants at the end of the war (I beleive the frost giants that brought this fortress low became the worshippers of Mara). A few centuries after the exile of the humites, normal relations resumed between them and Duska Krak.
Duska Krak remained a fairly normal place for a while, until the vampire lord Drevan finally decided to have his revenge on the nation that had ordered him into battle underprepared and outmanned. In a week of brutal slaughter, he and his vampire hordes brought the ancient nation low, and he eventually reach Duska Krak's capital of Celeros where he activated a ritual which would have destroyed Duska Krak entirely.
Veros, having come to see what was going on, pulled Duska Krak and all of it's dead and dying citizens out of existence, returning them several years later to a floating continent in the inner world, where they were placed under a Spell of Preservation (which I think I forgot to ever describe).
There were still a scattering of dwarves and halflings living across the continent that were not caught in the destruction, and Drevan also survived by some means.
Drevan is currently perpetrating some unknown schemes in humite territory, and seems to be working with the frost giants as well.
The dwarves and halflings eventually formed a new nation, Meribia, from within the ruins of Duskpeak, rebuilding above and beyond it's ancient glory. Despite having sent out traders several times, they only have trade with the warforged, and limited at that.
Vampires exist among the humites, humans, dwarves, and halflings.
As for shipbuilding, those living within Kraka Kalafi do know how to build ships. Their envoys to the humites have been ignored as well though. ;) They also have explorers searching east, which I haven't addressed.
Other Minor Facts: Dwarves of Duska Krak were, in fact, the first loremasters, but halflings have never entered the organization.
Duska Krak was also the first paladins, something which vanished after it's death for something like 250 years.
Also, I need to dig up my writing on the Spell of Preservation, since I've used it twice.
Ugh. You MUST be kidding me.
http://forums.gleemax.com/showpost.php?p=18467811&postcount=1399 is what the links to the posts look like. I kinda, sorta assumed, that all that would change is the &postcount=**** part, and the p=18... is the pointer to the thread. Err... No. So, yeah. I dont know how many, but a LOT of those links are broken. I'll work on fixing them.
Edit: Its fixed.
And Veros, that sounds right by my recollection as well. Duska Krak sorta stops being mentioned after it reappears under the preservation spell (which no, there is no explanation of).
If it's not too much trouble, could someone direct me to a page in the IC thread that has a basic description of The Chaos and/or it's inhabitants, features etc? I read the history, but it didn't really go into the specifics.
http://forums.gleemax.com/showpost.php?p=18559629&postcount=1565 is the initial creation.
http://forums.gleemax.com/showpost.php?p=18574131&postcount=1591 is where Roan explores the Chaos... a bit more description here...
http://forums.gleemax.com/showpost.php?p=18590117&postcount=1605 is, as far as I know, the only time something is created in the Chaos.
http://forums.gleemax.com/showpost.php?p=18610890&postcount=1629 ah, I was wrong. Roan creates something as well...
After these posts, Xa'an plunges the world into darkness and Roan, at least, mostly forgets about the Chaos. The Empress has spent a lot of time recently in her palace in the Chaos, but I think that (might) be coming to an end now. Aradeia, anything I'm forgetting about recent events in the Chaos?
. Read a bit more around that area of the thread.. and I have another question, if that's alright. If Roan is inactive, does that mean that the Genasi in The Chaos have been godless and ignored for... around 1500 years?Chapien: I need to get some sleep. Go bring us somewhere fun. Or honorable, if you'd like :P
Chapien: I need to get some sleep. Go bring us somewhere fun. Or honorable, if you'd like :P
Alright, we're gonna see that talking tree god... I forgot the name
Roan is still grnating his people's prayers. He's just not actively doing anything else.
Alright, we're gonna see that talking tree god... I forgot the name
I remembered the name! Well, actually I looked it up on the IC thread, but that's irrelevant. We're going to see Jormundrasil. After all, he IS seeking other divines (gods for all yous who don't know what a divine is).
Aradeia
So Aradeia, how many of the 7 deadly sins does the Empress have now?
All of them! Mwahaha!
But seriously, yes, she does have them all.
I think its all of them. Aradeia, should I start referring to Naya and Samvala separatly in the plot summary, or are they both still 'The Empress'?
Actually, Naya is just the Empress' hallucination, I haven't really fleshed this out too much yet, but no one else can see her. Samvala is just the hallucination's name for the Empress. You can still refer to her as the Empress, though.
Also, the Palace is just aimlessly floating in the Chaos, I guess I didn't really make that clear.
Aradeia
Several centuries passed, and the dwarves and halflings returned, but were split. Half returned to Duska Krak, rejoining the ancient nation, though now unknowingly under their doppelganger leaders. The other half became the nation of Kraka Kalafi (which I am frequently mistyping as Kalafi Krak).
a) do you have the tech summary for Kraka Kalafi?
c) Kraka is the islands correct? Where are they in relation to (notably the bloodmyst archipelago)
d) what is the status of infiltrators in Kraka Kalafi (i.e. dopplegangers and Vampires)? I understand they exist in Meribia, but considering the history of Karak Kalafi, im not sure there was an action to put them there.
As for Kraka Kalafi, it has pretty much lived an idylic life on it's islands, with little contact with outsiders, since it's inception. For their inception, they only worshipper Ejra, losing all access to divine magic when she perished. Veros recently reminded them of the long forgotten worship of him, and restored their divine magic.
You noted in a answer to me before that dwarves pretty much everywhere have Marans. Does this count as well for Kraka Kalafi?
Unable to control the bloodlust from their initial birth, they slaughtered the humite village almost to the man, before fleeing to the north, seeking a dwarven stronghold long abanadoned after it's fall to frost giants at the end of the war (I beleive the frost giants that brought this fortress low became the worshippers of Mara).
Is there still vampires at this fortress? If so is it alright if I do something with this fortress (if i decide so)?
Thanks.
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Kraka Kalafi is located east of the continent, between the main and Taldar, aproximately halfway. This places it on the opposite side of the main continent from the Bloodmyst Archipelago. It currently has no infiltrators what so ever, and has only just made contact with the outside world, namely Meribia.
General dwarves has Maran worshippers, yes. However, Kalafi Krak was culled from the personal worshippers of Eijra. All races living on the islands worshipped her alone until her death. I ignited worship of Veros there several turns back, with the intention of bringing them back into the world, but haven't had the opportunity yet.
Therewould eb few vampires at the forest. After the vampire attack, most vampires were destroyed. The fortress is now revived as a the city of Duskpeak, capital of Meribia. So it has been reoccupied for ten turns or so.
Not a problem.
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You might want to go back and change that guide to teach Drahkorn to worship Shurka and change it to Xanthor's Sahaugin citizens instead.
The reason this is, is because the Drahkorn do not reproduce sexually, in fact the only way Drahkorn are born is when the souls of Drahthor's worshipers are reborn as Drahkorn on the banks of the lake of fire. That, and the theocratic beurocracy is not likely to take kindly to the chosen people of Drahthor worshiping another god. Now, the Drahkorn have very long lifespans (500-750 years usually) and as such it will be possible to maintain a population of Drahkorn in exile (likely they will just move them to Terena) for 2 or 3 turns, but there will be no way to replenish the numbers.
Also, Xeadin, note that the palace of Xa'an is not just next to some star but is in fact the sun. It is nearly a quarter the size of the planet, and the pillar of fire is located at its center.
I think that if I go with this "plan" Kalafi is not going to work, that means I might start doing stuff with Meribia.
...Probably not.
Well it's kind of hard to keep everything straight. I thought for a while that they were slaves.
Lol, if we had been speaking in person you would have seen a glint in my eye as I said that last bit.
Technically the Sahaugin are not slaves, they are lesser citizens. They mostly live in homes built for them by the Drahkorn at the shallow edges of the sea by Xanthor. The homes are of an inferior quality to the grand architecture of the Drahkorn, more or less huts, but given that the sahaugin themselves lack the technology to build them it is an improvement. The exception to this would be Obsidian temples scattered about dedicated to the worship of Drahthor.
As far as their position within society, there is no official law stating where a sahaugin can and cannot go, however in general they know that they are not welcome in many parts of the city. It is not an uncommon sight to see groups of them walking around in the sections of the city closer to the ocean, often carrying deliveries of fish/seaweed/eel to the Drahkorn or returning with weapons/clothing/armor/noth/etc. While the Drahkorn are likely to treat them with a degree of arrogance, they are not openly hostile to the little fish men.
Within their own area of the city, the sahaugin are semi-autonomous and in exchange for quotas of the above substances the Drahkorn supply them with the other mentioned above substances. A hierarchy of the strongest still remains from the days under Ix (and all the strongest are addicted to Noth and thus unlikely to do anything that would threaten the supply from the Drahkorn) with druids also possessing a special place of reverence. The stronger Sahaugin might often be brutal in their methods to maintain dominance and extract the supply quotas from the lesser members of their race, but the Drahkorn themselves do not enslave them.
I'm not sure exactly where it is going to go. Something like... Dwarves, or some of them, getting (wow that's blocked?) *angry*, more militant politically. If you want to know the basis, the post wherin they start worshiping Mara gives some hints.
Xeadin, you're supposed to post OOC stuff in the OOC thread.
Sorry- I was running out of time on the last computer and needed to switch.
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That's okay, but then it's not really necesary to tell us if it's only going to be for a while. We can wait ;)
True.
It gets annoying though when no one responds for a long time, so I thought I would give some people a little 'heads- up,' you know?
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Lol, I'd like to know who was fighting their wars. Better watch out or the'll heal you and and sing Spice Girls!
Lol, I'd like to know who was fighting their wars. Better watch out or the'll heal you and and sing Spice Girls!
The horror.
And I need to check the back records. I'm pretty sure I gave them Fighter somwhere along the way.
. Also, I'm pretty sure they haven't been, but just double checking: slaad haven't been made yet have they?Essentially, a spell of preservation has the following effects on a populace until broken.
1. The populace cannot be taught new things
2. The populace cannot be guided into worship, but does not provide any worship benefits either.
3. The populace will not learn new things on there own.
4. The populace will not provide discounted costs on a teach.
As for the Astral Sea, it resonates with the power of gods, calling them home. It is combat neutral to all gods, and all gods and their exarchs have the ability to freely mold the land within it. You may move your demi-planes there as well. A demi-plane moved to the Astral Sea temporarily loses it's connection to the Skyway River (until it leaves the Astral Sea), but it also loses it's combat bonus while there. Essentially, no place within the Astra Sea is capable of having a combat bonus attached to it.
All though not a feature of the plane, I would ask that there be a general policy of abstaining from combat there.
Anyway, how much would it cost to spawn all age groups of a certain dragon type, such as Iron?
How does battle work and what determines your actions?
So ive got to say Xeadin, I did not see that faint coming at all. In fact, I literally laughed out loud when I read it.
Hmmm...
Well, he fainted because of his memories. His memories are like poison to him, because of a hated enemy that he knew all too well.
Corelloth is an evil Dragon Lord that would like to see the downfall of the great overgods that keep the Material Plane and the other planes in check. She is described as a Black Dragon with voilet scales instead of black. It is to show her menace and to show her love for Darkness.
It is obviously a T-800 sent back in time to either save or kill John Conner depending on which movie this is :D
...... does anyone else here a cricket signaling the death of my joke?As to your question, Xeadin, a god's combat bonus is his base PP per round, -plus any modifiers for artifacts or exarchsd he may have. It costs 1 PP to initiate an attack. Another god can aid you by using 1 PP to give you a +2 bonus.
Mechalibur, Introduced what?
mech, in response to your recent post in the Mortal thread, have you not seen the terminator movies?
It is obviously a T-800 sent back in time to either save or kill John Conner depending on which movie this is :D
Nice reference.Anyway, I PMed you back on what's going on in Torvek's head of his. It should help explain a few things.
INdeed I do hear some crickets.
As to your question, Xeadin, a god's combat bonus is his base PP per round, -plus any modifiers for artifacts or exarchsd he may have. It costs 1 PP to initiate an attack. Another god can aid you by using 1 PP to give you a +2 bonus.
Mechalibur, Introduced what?
So, my base PP for combat bonus would be my 4PP every reset, correct?
Also, what modifiers for artifacts and/ or exarches? The PP costs, or what?
An artifact to provide +1 combat costs 2 PP. An exarch can provide either a combat bonus ot PP, depending on the choice made when it was created.
I see. So, if I wanted an artifact that granted a +2 bonus, then I would have to pay 4PP to do so? Sounds about right to me.
So, if I create an artifact with a +1 combat bonus, is it possible to pay and extra 2PP to upgrade the weapon's combat bonus, or do I have to pay the full 4PP for the +2 bonus AFTER I have created the artifact, not as I'm creating it?
Ah, that. Yeah, I know. Veros isn't feeling to well. Not having his domain working properly is messing with him. He literally ignored what you said about them.
Upgrade for 2.
Ah, that. Yeah, I know. Veros isn't feeling to well. Not having his domain working properly is messing with him. He literally ignored what you said about them.
Okay, I'm good now. Thanks! :D
Also, Azor-Chapien did just give them a bit of divine attention last turn, teaching the Fuedalism, and the Knight class (which I'd like to see. Could be interesting in 4th.).
Massive, just noting something. I don't think any race has actually met with the elves to trade with them, They are isolationist, simply becuase they've never travelled out, and nobody has gone looking.
Also, Azor-Chapien did just give them a bit of divine attention last turn, teaching the Fuedalism, and the Knight class (which I'd like to see. Could be interesting in 4th.).
Just wait till I have enough PP to give divine attention to the Azorans! The world shall be mine on a silver platter! Mwhaha!
P.S. I do not know why I am in a humorous mood today.
No mechanical issue, MassiveAttack. Just pointing it out as unecessary in case you wanted to spend that point elsewhere.
Additionally, yes, clearly refresh is running late. I've been working a lot of extra hours this week, so I let my records slip. Need to catch them up before I can refresh properly.
Oh my... I'm thinking of the powers right now... *shudders*
Nixis will spend 2pp to teach the humites the psychoanalyzer class...
Oh my... I'm thinking of the powers right now... *shudders*
The power over bad Austrian accents perhaps? And maybe they must consume heroin to use their most powerful abilities!
Nixis will spend 2pp to teach the humites the psychoanalyzer class...
Oh my... I'm thinking of the powers right now... *shudders*
Do it... We need some psychoanalysts to help Huimans get in touch with their more... gentle... side.
"Why do you WANT to kill people?"
"Why? Because I get loot from it!"
"But what about the ramifications o-"
"Ramifications? I'm a mercenary. I get PAYED to not have ramifications."
"OK, from the top. Why do you..."
I just realized how nightmarish society must be in DnD worlds...
No, I was thinking something like this.
Level 17 Daily Power: Oedipalize.
Wis vs Will
Hit: Target is dazed (save ends) as he thinks about how he really does just desire his mother and how his actions have truly killed the memory of his father. He also takes 4d8 + 8 psychic damage.
Miss: half damage plus dazed till end of next turn.
Oh God... I think I have to do this :D
Edit: And Wyld... you're right. quite nightmarish.
Huh. Thats actually an interesting idea. *files away the addictive-substance class for future ideas*
No, I was thinking something like this.
Level 17 Daily Power: Oedipalize.
Wis vs Will
Hit: Target is dazed (save ends) as he thinks about how he really does just desire his mother and how his actions have truly killed the memory of his father. He also takes 4d8 + 8 psychic damage.
Miss: half damage plus dazed till end of next turn.
Oh God... I think I have to do this :D
This is rather hilarious.
And Currently the Bronze Pantheon consists of Hensen, Hammu, The Empress, Vymrl, and Drahthor.
This is rather hilarious.
And Currently the Bronze Pantheon consists of Hensen, Hammu, The Empress, Vymrl, and Drahthor.
Is that why Drahthor got very upset at Torvek- he didn't want to lose his spot in the Bronze Pantheon to the low- life dragon? Oh...
I'm scared of Drahthor now... Well, Ritreaude, it seems you have an Austria obsession today.
In the middle of reading a bismarck biography for an independent studies course, might have something to do with it.
Is that why Drahthor got very upset at Torvek- he didn't want to lose his spot in the Bronze Pantheon to the low- life dragon? Oh...
And Im really not sure what to make of this statement.... think ill just call it trolling.
And Im really not sure what to make of this statement.... think ill just call it trolling.
No- I'm really scared of your character in the LoC. The way that Drahthor acted to my character- I thought that I would have to create a new character after that!
No- I'm really scared of your character in the LoC. The way that Drahthor acted to my character- I thought that I would have to create a new character after that!
Well his first domain is destruction, though the counterbalance from the creation domain and the effect of the eye of restraint means you shouldn't have to worry about him physically attacking your God.
That is, unless something happens to shift that balance, ill point out the eye already has a few cracks in it.
Here's a list...
War Trolls (not based on the monster)
Ae-Silvani
Ythran
Losalfar
Drahkorn
Tsarok-Hem
Dark Eladrin
Dasa
Loha
Ancients (sound like intelligent treants)
Thallids
Azorans
Bloodborn
the Sinners
Now admittedly... Some of them may NEED a special race-block when it comes to PC's. But how many aren't simply a 'default' race or creauture from the MM with a new skin?
How many of these could just be a subsect of a core race? We have a guide action for a reason. 1PP forms a new 'group' with it's own connection to you. Even better... The group retains the base knowledge of its constituent parts. How much time does THAT save? Obviously what's done cannot be undone (easily at least) but seriously...
At this point we have enough BASE races that making more beyond those already supplied in core DnD material is superfluous. It's complication in a game involving a LARGE number of variables and lots of people. I have trouble remeber MY stuff at times, and yet I'm expected to keep more than a basic idea of what other's have got?
1PP is all it takes. No need to spend 4 on a greater populace; just spend 1 and get a few humans, or eladrin, or whatever you like. Refluff, repurpose, make it your own without needing to create yet MORE stat-blocks which need to be filled out.
I'm sure if we were all REALLY nice we could get an admin to consolidate some stuff to lessen the homebrew-heavy nature of PC races in LoC.
Only reason I made ancients were to populate the plane I made though. I realize I probably just should have moved the treents.
A lot of those races aren't meant to be PC races though. Sort of like demons and devils. They are intelligent, but they aren't meant for playing.
He is really loving life now.
pfff- yeah right...Now he has to deal with gods that think he's going stir- ride crazy!
You forgot humites :P
Only reason I made ancients were to populate the plane I made though. I realize I probably just should have moved the treents.
A lot of those races aren't meant to be PC races though. Sort of like demons and devils. They are intelligent, but they aren't meant for playing.
Indeed I DID miss Humites. My major nooyance is in the ones I can't really make a distinction between being meant as PC or not.
I'd just like fewer 'special PC races' and more 'subsect of PC race'. Blindly adding new races into the game (especially for a new god) is tedious to manage. In my last 4 MS conversations it has been introduction after introduction. It's been "What are you? Oh? I'm a..."
Obviously races like Dark Eladrin, Humites, Thallids, Azorans, and Bloodborn are meant to be playable. What I have trouble understanding is which are REALLY deserving of being seperate from an already established race. Well... umites and Thallids obviously hadnothing to draw upon but that's beside the point.
Indeed I DID miss Humites. My major nooyance is in the ones I can't really make a distinction between being meant as PC or not.
I'd just like fewer 'special PC races' and more 'subsect of PC race'. Blindly adding new races into the game (especially for a new god) is tedious to manage. In my last 4 MS conversations it has been introduction after introduction. It's been "What are you? Oh? I'm a..."
Obviously races like Dark Eladrin, Humites, Thallids, Azorans, and Bloodborn are meant to be playable. What I have trouble understanding is which are REALLY deserving of being seperate from an already established race. Well... umites and Thallids obviously hadnothing to draw upon but that's beside the point.
I agree. I actually made the Azorans the way they are so that no one would have to stat them. Just treat them as weird looking humans.:D
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7 - Veros
6 - Xirinet, Tsaroka-Noggoth, Shurka, The Empress, Vymrl
5 - Mara, Drahthor, Hensen Jijou
4 - Kiptar, Hammu, Jormundrasil, Azor-Chapien, Sessilee, Nixis, Torvek
AnubisDread, as soon as you post your gods stat block in the OOC, you may begin posting. You will have 6 PP.
Obviously some things may not go too well IC (a god trying to mess with the Stars, or trying to incite a civil war in Alexandria). However if you want to Guide something to be used by you it's all open.
Want a piece of the Shattered Lands? No problem.
As a matter of tact it is good to approach me to double-checkif you intend to play with something that is a longstanding project of mine. But guiding Angels, Humans, or what have you is fine.
I mean I CREATED THE NEW UNDERDARK, and NOBODY is doing anything cool with it yet. Seriously... How does it get ignored?
Which reminds me... I need more stuff in it.
(minor thing, I know :P)
If that was the case, why not just use humans? Since the moment he created them, Wyld said he was fine with people taking humans, and doing other stuff with them.
The end result of me being over-creative and playing too much Spore. Don't ask what Spore has to do with this, please.
Massive Attack
You were 5+1. It was my fault, as I forgot how we had kept awards seperate from the base scores previously. I'm not retconning your expenditure out. It will stay in.
The end result of me being over-creative and playing too much Spore. Don't ask what Spore has to do with this, please.
I love spore. I just had to say it.
I want the creepy&cute pack to make insectile monstrosities.
I love spore. I just had to say it.
I want the creepy&cute pack to make insectile monstrosities.
Spore is awesome. I already have creepy&cute, can't wait till I get galactic adventures.
Now, back to LoC!
I mean I CREATED THE NEW UNDERDARK, and NOBODY is doing anything cool with it yet. Seriously... How does it get ignored?
Which reminds me... I need more stuff in it.
Hey, I'm working on it!
There's a Rakshasa "justice" nation there now...
Hey, I'm working on it!
There's a Rakshasa "justice" nation there now...
Oh, well I forgot about that. Kinda was swamped due to my multiple 'breaks' from posting.
At least there's SOMETHING to counterbalance the proliferation of Ettercaps and Oozes...
And... I am thinking of actually creating a class like what we were talking about earlier, but I want a more fantasy name than 'Psychoanalyst'... any ideas?
Hey Nerdzul, fixed the links to you in the wiki (sorry about that)
And... I am thinking of actually creating a class like what we were talking about earlier, but I want a more fantasy name than 'Psychoanalyst'... any ideas?
Mindshaper? Telepath?
Think I'll post something tomorrow (both in mortal and in character).
I'll keep the "non wound Hensen" fluff of my weapon (I don't think that any other god will have it anyway, so it might never be the source of any problem).
Underdark has already being created? Hehe I had missed that... I need to put something there :P
To Tophet, no problem.
Good Night people.
AnubisDread, as soon as you post your gods stat block in the OOC, you may begin posting. You will have 6 PP.
Excellent :D . Just one thing though, I thought I already did put my gods stats in the OOC? Unless I missed something I had to put down for him.
dont worry, same thing happened to me. Just repost it and go Name: Chroma
Greater Domains: Chaos
Physical Appearance: Chroma appears as a multicoloured and every shifting being of light, assuming numerous forms so quickly that when you blink once he may be a prismatic dragon, and if you blink again he could be the multi-coloured silhouette of an elf. His only constant feature is that all of his forms have a single large eye. When dealing with others, Chroma attempts to stay in the more static form of a giant, but will often devolve back to shifting if he gets excited or angry.
Symbol: An eyeball in the centre of a rainbow spiral.
And i can spend 1 PP using my Exarch right? Also, would teaching the Azorans feudalism cost 1 or 2 PP?
Oh, god, the humites are high now
The real question is did the humites have any trading agreements with the gnomes? Because the way they are described here i think gnomes on noth would be hysterical.
And you can't use your Exarch's PP until the turn after you create it. I think Feudalism would be 2pp, but I'll wait for Shadow to confirm that.
And my gnomes are in danger of getting high? I'll guide them right into downtown Terena just to see it!
And my gnomes are in danger of getting high? I'll guide them right into downtown Terena just to see it!
Suddenly names like tweak, jitters, and addict start making their way into gnomish society.
Also, we're almost over 3,000 posts in here... we should probably start a new thread.
Also, we're almost over 3,000 posts in here... we should probably start a new thread.
Is their a post limit in threads or something?
Also, are their any 'evil' gods at the moment, or are we all just unaligned?
Evil is subjective. I'm sure more than one person thinks the Empress has evil tendencies. (Having all 7 deadly sins as domains is a pretty big sign.) Thans died trying to control a lot of demons. And Xa'an acted pretty foolishly, although I don't think he was trying to be evil.
In fact, there were some complaints before that there were too many evil gods and not enough good ones.
I'm not sure if Shurka is good or unaligned. But I don't really think it matters that much, so I don't worry about it too much. I was thinking lawful neutral ish (yeah, yeah, it's not an alignment anymore.), but then I remembered how much he hated organizations and the court.
No, it just puts a lot of stress on the forums I heard.
Evil is subjective. I'm sure more than one person thinks the Empress has evil tendencies. (Having all 7 deadly sins as domains is a pretty big sign.) Thans died trying to control a lot of demons. And Xa'an acted pretty foolishly, although I don't think he was trying to be evil.
In fact, there were some complaints before that there were too many evil gods and not enough good ones.
I'm not sure if Shurka is good or unaligned. But I don't really think it matters that much, so I don't worry about it too much. I was thinking lawful neutral ish (yeah, yeah, it's not an alignment anymore.), but then I remembered how much he hated organizations and the court.
Alright. So there aren't any insane chaotic evil gods trying to destroy the world using insane cultists.
I think most of the Gods that have been around for a while have done things that others might consider evil... but in terms of blatant evil and reveling in evil... not so much.
Oh, and Chapien, what sort of Exarch is your King?
Well, there's Tsarokga-Noggoth, but I dont think he's really the evil-cultist type... more the 'overwhelm the world with swarms of monsters at some unknown future time' type. Although there were those Tsarok-Aran in the Eladrin cities... thats something.
I think most of the Gods that have been around for a while have done things that others might consider evil... but in terms of blatant evil and reveling in evil... not so much.
Oh, and Chapien, what sort of Exarch is your King?
Hm... I wasn't aware I had to say a type. I couldn't find any info on types of the Wiki page... please elaborate.
Create, Mold, Shape, Nourish, Guide/Teach, Spawn, Imprison are the options
Well, each exarch gives you a bonus (I guess it doesnt *have* to, but... to not would be a little silly) to combat or a PP in one keyword. So my Exarchs give me 1PP in nourish and guide actions (Chukwa is nourish, Convincer is guide).
Create, Mold, Shape, Nourish, Guide/Teach, Spawn, Imprison are the options
Ah. In that case, my exarch is guide/teach.
Defense Coalition won't really let them go into Terena, though.
That's devatable. It's the Free Nation the Defense Coalition has a problem with ;)
Actually, considering gnomes are within walking distance, there biggest argument is moot. Additionally, gnomes don't have the same aura of strength as one would get from people who sailed around a fricking continent just to reach you, and can teleport people from there homeland to yours.
might be a good thing then that the Drahkorn brought the humites to them, Defense Coalition must be eying them rather suspiciously.
Definitly. The Defense Coalition is unlikely to have anything to do with the Drahkorn, or anything even remotely linked to them. Your merchants are likely always shadowed by guards/
Ill point out the difficulty of following a people who are very proficient hunters whose favored mode of travel is instant teleportation.
Oh, and who keep their supplies and goods in bags of holding that make it impossible to determine what they are carrying on their person at any given time.
Ardeia (sorry if spelt wrong)- are the Sinners in Azora as well?
No, for now, they are just on the original continent, about south of the Shattered Lands. I don't really know where Azora is, though.
They haven't really spread out yet, though, so they might meet the Azorans in the future.
Aradeia
No, for now, they are just on the original continent, about south of the Shattered Lands. I don't really know where Azora is, though.
They haven't really spread out yet, though, so they might meet the Azorans in the future.
Aradeia
Alright. So no Inqusition yet *foreshadowing!*
Azora is somewhere off the west coast of the continent, though this is subject to change as I am yet to decide an exact location.
the inquisition, look out sin
........
If there is an inquisition in this game I demand that they have a musical song and dance number.... OR ELSE!
the inquisition, lets begin
the inquisition, look out sin
Hey, that rhymes!
Hey, that rhymes!
...... it was a reference to this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5McSEU48Y8
I think I might be able to create a Greater Plane of Existence- :D
Or should I wait till I get more PPs?
I still need to craft a weapon for Torvek- and I have the perfect idea to craft him.
It it doesn't fell as though it should be as important as those, it probably is just a lesser plane.
Greater PLanes are ideally fundamental things of existance. On the level of the Astral Sea, Elemental Chaos, Shadowfell, and Feywild.
It it doesn't fell as though it should be as important as those, it probably is just a lesser plane.
I did create a lesser plane of existence.
How much does it cost to create an Exarch? I probably need both figures for creating Lesser and Greater Exarches.
Exarchs are a flat 3 PP.
for both lesser and greater? I guess Exarch comes in a "One Size- Fits All" package, eh? :D
What's the purpose of Exarches anyhow? Do they help give your god clues and tips, or do they just roam around your plane and worship your god?
They either add +1 to combat, or provide PP. They also provide a secondary autonomous RP outlet for the player. Your exarch can go somewhere else, spend your PP, and even actively work against your god, but is still subservient to you,
So the exarches provide a number of uses, even working against your god? Sounds like a load of trouble when that happens.
I don't have enough PP to spend to create an Exarch, because I already spent 2PP on creating an artifact (a weapon) for Torvek.
Question: Do I have to pay the 2pp after every reset to keep the artifact with me, or is it permanent?
No. Artifacts are permanent,. And you control your exarch, so you get to decide what it does and doesn't do.
Cool beans, ff6shadow. Thanks! :D
If I do get to create an Exarch...
Are there limitations on what the Exarch looks like, or are there no limits?
And how many Exarches can we create?
(I'm very sorry that I'm blasting you with all of these questions, ff6shadow- I just need some clarifications, that's all.)
Hammu has the Law domain.
Xeadin, none of that MS post makes sense. None of those places actually exist.
What do you mean? What places are available, then?
This is what PP is for. We create stuff with it. We can't just say whatever places we want exist; we make them in the IC thread by spending PP. Otherwise this game would just be one big chaotic mess.
Spending PP applies to the LoC: Mortal Stories as well? Why didn't anybody tell me that beforehand???
Spending PP applies to the LoC: Mortal Stories as well? Why didn't anybody tell me that beforehand???
Because it's the same world, and we figured that would be fairly obvious to figure out?
Because it's the same world, and we figured that would be fairly obvious to figure out?
Well, if it does cost PP to create a mortal world, then how much does it cost?
Also, Iron Dragons are an epic populace, ekluag. Dragons are a populace, and the oldest Iron dragon is epic, making that a 4 PP Shape Populace action.
Xeadin, the stuff you want to work with in Mortal Stories still has to exist first. Nobody could use a a tielfing in Mortal Stories, because Tiefdlings don't exist yet.
Nobody could use a a tielfing in Mortal Stories, because Tiefdlings don't exist yet.
:lightbulbMust wait to claim the domain. Oh well.
Still, what about the Question on incorporating exarchs and artifacts from different gods into the planned prison?
Anubis, I'd like to ask that you don't. I've got a long running story line that is getting ready to produce tieflings. Most likely this turn, at that.
You can get an artifact or eacrh to provide +2 create PP per turn, but you could still only use 1 PP of it, as per the artifact/exarch rules.
Also, Iron Dragons are an epic populace, ekluag. Dragons are a populace, and the oldest Iron dragon is epic, making that a 4 PP Shape Populace action.
Xeadin, the stuff you want to work with in Mortal Stories still has to exist first. Nobody could use a a tielfing in Mortal Stories, because Tiefdlings don't exist yet.
So, I can only use 1 of the 2pps that the Exarch or the Artifact provides?
I get it now! If I were to use both pps, then the Artifact and/ or Exarch would cease to exist, because the pps are the driving forces to keeping the creation intact. Without them, the object no longer has a force to keep them together, so they fall apart in the absence of the pps.
Now I know why this is called the Lords of Creation! Doi...!
And how do I make it so that it exists in the Mortal Stories if I don't know how much PP to spend?
Say you have an exarch csoting 3 PP. He grants 1 Create PP each turn. You also have an artifact that grants 1 Create PP each turn. The trules prohibit using more than 1 of any one type of PP provider for each type of PP each turn. So you can use the artifact or the exarch, but not both.
If you spend 3 PP to enhance the exarch, having it grant 1 Create PP each turn. It now grants 1 create PP and 1 create PP. You can still onlyu use one exarc/artifact supplied Create PP per turn.
Have you read the rules section of the wiki? I highly suggest it.
Anubis, I'd like to ask that you don't. I've got a long running story line that is getting ready to produce tieflings. Most likely this turn, at that.
Oh of course, I certainly wouldn't want to swoop in and ruin a perfectly good story line
.No, you have the wrong idea on the PP thing.
Say you have an exarch csoting 3 PP. He grants 1 Create PP each turn. You also have an artifact that grants 1 Create PP each turn. The trules prohibit using more than 1 of any one type of PP provider for each type of PP each turn. So you can use the artifact or the exarch, but not both.
If you spend 3 PP to enhance the exarch, having it grant 1 Create PP each turn. It now grants 1 create PP and 1 create PP. You can still onlyu use one exarc/artifact supplied Create PP per turn.
Have you read the rules section of the wiki? I highly suggest it.
Oh! Oops... :D I missed that interpretation!
It makes sense to me now. I'm good on that note.
Were he to spend 4 artifact PP prior to the creation of a plane, the river would not function.
If you combine 2 imprison artifacts into one structure, it still requires two gods to maintain it.
I have 2pp left to spend, so combined with the 1pp- it would make out to be 3pp to create an Exarch. Is that possible?
Also:
"That is one bright star. I wonder what place that is?"
Riot. As is every other star :P
Only 3 PP artifacts grant PP, and only a specific type chosen at their creation. Fruther, Exarch is an action call Ascend Exarch. Ascend is noty a type of PP artifacts or exarchs is capable of.
I'd say so, if you had the artifact since the start of this turn and it generated Create PP.
Also:
Riot. As is every other star :P
Create PP? Is that the Artifact's special ability? And what do you mean by "Turn?" Is every post a separate turn?
And was that other comment to me, or to somebody else?
Create PP? Is that the Artifact's special ability? And what do you mean by "Turn?" Is every post a separate turn?
The first post in the OOC has a link to the wiki. Click on the link to the basic rules from there, read them, then if you have any more questions check around the wiki. There are seperate links to specific rules on artifacts and exarchs I believe.
And yes that other comment was to you, though your god probably wouldn't know about it: every star is a gateway to the plane of Riot, which filters down life energy to the world below.
By my records, your only artifact is your weapon, which is a combat artifact correct?
Only 3 PP artifacts grant PP, and only a specific type chosen at their creation. Fruther, Exarch is an action call Ascend Exarch. Ascend is noty a type of PP artifacts or exarchs is capable of.
Ah! So, I won't be able to create an Exarch then...
Well, I guess I'll have to wait until the next Refresh, huh?
Yeah, that makes a lot more sense.
ekulag, maybe you might want to bring up something with the Bronze Pantheon about each god creating a part of the prison (if thats not already your plan
)Xeadin
The rules are here: http://lordsofcreation.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Rules I think you'll find them quite helpful in answering your questions.
Edit: *sigh* you people post quickly :P
Torvek wants to take control of the Day Domain. how do I make it so that the Day Domain has been taken on the Wiki?
I suse the old Wikitext which means I just tag it with and it creates a link. I then save, clkick the link, and start then page.
Lovely. ;)
But yep, you have one messed up country there.
Nope, definitly not doppelganger problems. They don't bite.
Your does hehe, since many of them are vampires too... (if I remember well at least).
Uff It might be easier for me to help Vyrmil burn the nation to the ground after all hehe...
Hey, Wyld, have you continued the mortal stories thing with the Archons? I checked but I didn't see anything like that.
Oh, right. Sorry about that with my multiple disconnects recentyly as far as playing the game goes that kinda fell behind.
You can assume the Archoins met up and learned about Alexandria.
. Though to be fair everything but the Ithillids and Rakshasha was him...EDIT: Ardune on the other hand seems to be lacking a fair bit more. Are there a lot of posts dealing with Ardune that don't have the word "Ardune" in them, or is the entire land nothing but jungle, a root forest, grazing beasts, owlbears, and Minotaurs?
Anubis: The warforged no longer live in the Underdark. They all moved to the surface quite a while, they all moved to the surface.
Anyway, since Ardune seems to be a little lacking compared to the main continent on the outer world, I'm going to go ahead and add some things there
. If anyone had any objections to that speak up, and I'll either not post, or if I have posted edit.Anubis, compared the the main continent, most of the world is under-populated.
The Bloodmyst Archipelago only has people of the Free Nation and plants. It has no critters at all that I know of.
The continent west of it, I beleive only has plants, eladrin, Dasa (whatever the hell they are),m and green dragons.
Way down south, we have the Imperium Archipelago, which has frost giants and two odd creature that I have no idea what they are.
Wesy of the IMperium is the southern continent, which has frost giants, howling hags, shifts, and dark eladrin.
Taldar, east of the main continent, has minotaurs, elves, humans, and shadar-kai. . . and I think dire rats and tigers.
Ardune has minotuars, as well as a bunch of wildlife that I beleive Thought placed there when he created it. Heck, the Aether beyond the Aegis has more wild-life than most of our continents.
.I created the gnolls on Ardune, I checked the IC thread and didn't see any mention of them, so I hope they haven't been covered... and yes I realize that technically there aren't anything but grazing animals on Ardune, but it fit the narratice, they don't have any mechanical effect, and I'm going to make them next cycle :embarrass
...Dasa (whatever the hell they are)...
They're basically, in essence, short people with green skin and four arms. I've been trying to update the wiki about them, but it's been giving me a hard time. I tried adding Loha a little while back, and just as soon as I'd finished, it deleted all I'd written.
Aradeia
If I give a guide/teach exarch a combat artifact, would that guide/teach exarch be able to use that artifact and help me in combat and generate PP?
But you actually never claimed the domain yet. You need to spend 2 PP to gain a moderate domain before it's actually taken.
I think that Day is a Lesser Domain.
So, I only need to spend 1pp to claim it.That reminds me- I didn't take a look at Torvek's stats lately. I should do so! :D
Torvek's Stats
Name: Torvek
Greater Domains: ---
Moderate Domains: ---
Lesser Domains: Courage, Day, Insight
Artifacts: Sunshine Chakram (Lesser Artifact)
Alignment: Unaligned
Physical Appearance: He is a Brass Dragon that wields a chakram that gleams as bright as the sun. Hios scales seem as if he is not a living being. His wingspan is just about as long as a Cuoatl, stretched out at full length. His head resembles a Red dragon, and his eyes gleam with the light of the sun. He has a stout poise, and he has the legs of a Lion. His chakram has a strap on his right arm to sheath/ unsheath it- the chakram functions as a shield in this manner.
Symbol: A dark brown circlular background with a brass serpentine in the shape of an "&" symbol. The outer edges of the circle has several points portruding out from it, resembling the Sunshine Chakram. The inner edges has a ring of gold, white, silver and red. The circle seems as if it was painted on top of canvas.
PPs: 2
Name: Torvek
Greater Domains: ---
Moderate Domains: ---
Lesser Domains: Courage, Day, Insight
Artifacts: Sunshine Chakram (Lesser Artifact)
Alignment: Unaligned
Physical Appearance: He is a Brass Dragon that wields a chakram that gleams as bright as the sun. Hios scales seem as if he is not a living being. His wingspan is just about as long as a Cuoatl, stretched out at full length. His head resembles a Red dragon, and his eyes gleam with the light of the sun. He has a stout poise, and he has the legs of a Lion. His chakram has a strap on his right arm to sheath/ unsheath it- the chakram functions as a shield in this manner.
Symbol: A dark brown circlular background with a brass serpentine in the shape of an "&" symbol. The outer edges of the circle has several points portruding out from it, resembling the Sunshine Chakram. The inner edges has a ring of gold, white, silver and red. The circle seems as if it was painted on top of canvas.
PPs: 2
Wow- where is everyone?Tomorrow will be another story, though... :evillaugh
It'll pick up later. Usually starts to pick up in the next 45 minutes or so.
I guess I got here earlier than I thought...:D because I won't be on this computer in the next 45 minutes.
Cursed Library Computer Time Limit... :raincloud
I think that Day is a Lesser Domain.
That reminds me- I didn't take a look at Torvek's stats lately. I should do so! :D
I didn't say day, did I? You were talking about the sun domain. I think that's two PP that you never spent.
1) What counts as 'cultural contact' for discounts to learning?
2) Shadow, for the Astral Sea... am I right in assuming that what one god makes, another can just as easily unmake? (so secure things should be located somewhere off-Sea?)
To Anubis, I like the idea of another god posting that Hensen have found them (also telling what I can know about the new god so I can introduce to him properly), and I'd be interested in meeting the god of chaos :p afteer all Change and Chaos are not so far from each other.
I've been waiting for him to meet an exarch for a long time, just to have him steal their power for his own ascension.
Anyway I just worked on the illusion stuff becose I disliked god moding without any chance of reaction in mortal stories, so I guess that we should just decide together the final otucome of their fight before making new posts.
At this point, the exarch should probably win. Yorick isn't an exarch until he get's home from your post.
You didn't make him an exarch until this turn either though, and he didn't know the circumstances leading up to the post, so there's always the edit button.
Anyway I hope that you will find my solution elegant enough.
To Anubis, Mecha and Shadow: I'll have to leave for the night (2:30 Am now and I have to wake up early tomorrow)
To the members of the Bronze Pantheon, should I make a wiki page for it tomorrow?
Ah well, complaining gets me nowhere I suppose. Just have to do one thing at a time. (More parenthesis!)
They will be even more focused on achieving that, expecially after the presumed murder of their Ambassador and his entourage. Also we can presume that the Defense Coalition might like to have some help in both defense and identifying the ones who caused the explosion.
I think that Hensen will need to meet Shurka one day or another.
PP Use
1 PP [+1 Eorna, +1 from Mara] - Nourish Populace x3 - The Defense Coalition (only nourished in numbers, not power.]
0 PP [+1 Eorna, +1 from Mara] - Guide Populace x2 - Humites learn Speak with Dead, and Raise Dead.
If I remember well "ritual casting" include any ritual in the player's handbook already.
Hensen don't know much about Shurka, but since it is worshiphend in the Free Nation and in Terena (after all he was following his future exarch actions) he might have some info about the god of healing. Or maybe I can just send my new exarch after yours (when he is finished bringing back the people he "saved" from the Grand Distortion).
My memory's a little mixed up right now.
I didn't say day, did I? You were talking about the sun domain. I think that's two PP that you never spent.
Sun is a Greater Domain.
It's worth 3pp.
Sheesh- Don't you know your domains?
No it isn't. You can check the wiki if you want.
Oh... doi! I was thinking about the Light Domain!
Cursed Brainfarts... :raincloud
I hope it proves illuminating into just how serious Humans (and by extension Alexandria) are on pushing the boundaries. Poor, poor, world... Poor, poor me now I have to stat-up a Paragon Phase Spider...
Seriously going to be scary in combat.
The PP expenditures page is starting to get out of hand. Should we divide up the expenditures some how, like by month?
Personally I have preference for dividing based on action type. I know it's supposed to be a 'history' but that would make it very easy to search up what has been done where.
Dividing by type might work as well...
Refresh will most likely run late tonight.
Hah. Figures. And I got back at normal time for once too.
Well looks like Shadow and Wyld both have my PP left to spend, but they can keep them.
Torvek has this neat idea that Xirinet could have the ability to mimick the form's attacks (if Xirinet could do that).
I will be back tomorrow, with plans to create my first Exarch! :D
I'm pretty sure any god could do that though, without even assuming the things form: if the gods can create dragons, I'm sure they could replicate it's breath without even expending PP.
Well... Usually what a god can do is limited to who they are. For instance... Just because I can LOOK like Torvek (including weapon and whatnot) doesn't mean that I'mas strong as him.
On the most basic level a god can doi anything that makes sense for their domains. Xi can duplicate a god's form, and even duplicate soe of their abilities as far as visuals go. However Xi's attak isn't Torvek's. It operates on different principles, being bound into Xi's connection to primal life-force rather thabn Torvek's own connections.
That and Xi would prefer to use the mutability of its own form to fight rather than rip off the newling.
Also, Shadow: Maybe you should have someone to post the resets and stuff if you can't make it. (PM the person the details or whatever). Of course, most people can wait patiently enough, so it's not that crucial or anything.
And instead of getting my 2 D&D games today, I got one, then went and saw the new Transformers movie. Anyways, I'm catching up, then refresh will be up soon.
Edit: Nerdzul, your creation of the Grand Distortion is invalid. As of that post, you had already used the Wondermaker to enhance the Bloodstones, used your Guide and Nourish artifact, and spent 5 of your PP (3 to ascend Yorik, 2 on the bloodstones. That action will not be recorded and did not occur.
Edit: Mechalibur, Nerdzul is right,you've already taught the humites how to raise the dead.
Edit: Ritreaude, the former eladrin kingdom is not a valid target, as it was never officially an organization, would be defunct anyway, and was composed ot two races. You'll need to specify a race, or target the nation as it stands now, called Sivera
Edit:Tinwe, the riding and domestication of animals is a 2 PP guide. Your action of teaching the Argent Guard is invalid.
Edit:Tinwe, the riding and domestication of animals is a 2 PP guide. Your action of teaching the Argent Guard is invalid.
I've already taught Beacon Riding before this turn. Do I really need to spend 2 PP to tell them to go ahead and ride a different type of critter?
This is part of the reason prepping for reset takes me time. Every god's actions complicate the method I use to determine PP and only truly dead gods are ever removed.
PP Refresh
7 - Veros
6 - Xirinet, Tsaroka-Noggoth, Shurka, The Empress, Vymrl, Mara
5 - Oravolos, Chactross, Drahthor, Hensen Jijou, Roan, Neko, Kiptar
4 - Hammu, Nocturne, Siccadan, Ythrexle, Jormundrasil, Zophia, Ipsur, Frellisk, Ka, Runescar, Azor-Chapien, Quel, Nixis, Chroma, Void, Sessilee, Cygnus, Oreb Nahash, Torvek
. Out of curiosity, how is PP actually doled out? Is it based on number of worshippers, or how much they spread their domains, or what have you?Anyways, nobody but me knows exactly how PP is determined. Suffice it to saw, most actions weigh into it to some degree, though actions on non-prime planes are ignored.
I really don't think that's very important though. Your attack is your attack, and how your god fights should really just be left to the imagination. Although it would be embarassing losing to an image of yourself.
Also, Shadow: Maybe you should have someone to post the resets and stuff if you can't make it. (PM the person the details or whatever). Of course, most people can wait patiently enough, so it's not that crucial or anything.
The humiliation factor is one of the reasons I have yet to make Xi actually corporeal.
Losing to a swarm of insects will also be a suitably humiliating defeat that I reserve for when somebody manages to really tick Xi off.
The humiliation factor is one of the reasons I have yet to make Xi actually corporeal.
Losing to a swarm of insects will also be a suitably humiliating defeat that I reserve for when somebody manages to really tick Xi off.
Try loosing to a rainbow swirl who's pretty much a child ;)
And Shadow, thanks for that. Now I know I'm the 37th God
Edit: Nerdzul, your creation of the Grand Distortion is invalid. As of that post, you had already used the Wondermaker to enhance the Bloodstones, used your Guide and Nourish artifact, and spent 5 of your PP (3 to ascend Yorik, 2 on the bloodstones. That action will not be recorded and did not occur.
Lol I also spent like 2 more points to nourish\teach the Free Nation (paper and just nourish)... I think I have spent all my points already before I created the Great Distortion (for some reason I belived that the reset was already up hehe)
I'll edit my post and move it after the reset (lol... )
EDIT: Done Moved by last post hehe.
Anyway, I have a question too, but it's a little more.. academic. Just been nagging me is all.The world is comprised of an inner and outer crust right, with the Underdark between them. Whether the Underdark is connected to both crusts, or just the outer world and the inner world has yet to recive it's own Underdark is debatable (and if someone could clarify that I'd appreciate it ;) ), but either way, it's clear that in each case gravity works in reverse depending on which crust your on. So, if someone were to burrow through the ground half way to the other crust, or wander through the underdark and go deep enough down they start going up the other side... what would happen? Would they meet an impentrable barrier of some kind? Would the conflicting up and down forces mean they just stay in the same place forever, or are even destroyed?
Probably won't come up anytime soon, but the question popped up in my head and I can't drop it for some reason
Only the surface has an underdark, and only in the vicinity of the first continent. The inner world has no underdark, If you were to burrow from one side to the other, and fortunate enough to find a section of the Dimension Bulwark that was solid, instead of magma, you would begin to experience erratic shifts in gravity. The Bulwark creates gravity, and much of the Bulwark is liquid. As it shifts around, gravity within it would shift as well. You you could be standing on the fdloor one minute, then falling towards the cieling the next as gravity slowly shifts with the magma surrounding the section of rock you are within. In short, travelling through the rock sections of the blwark is pretty darn dangerous, with erratic gravity shifts, and no access to magic.
Which might be something an epic level (40) party might try, hm...
But, just to be clear on this point, it is possible. Say if you had +63 to Acrobatics and Athletics, immunity to fire, natural fly speed (hover), none of which were obtained magically, and no worries about how long it took, one could cross the Dimension Bulwark?
Which might be something an epic level (40) party might try, hm...
Epic maxes at 30 in 4th, but yes, the Bulwark could be crossed. Wouldn't even need all of that. I'd say normal people could make the crossing, assuming a tunnel were burrowed through. While the bulwark is mostly liquid rock, there are cedrtain to be areas where it is mostly solid. Were one to burrow a tunnel through thse solid areas, it would be feasible to walk from the outer surface to the inner surface. You'd just have to watch out for gravity shifts . . probably by using a series of ropes and handholds built into the tunnels.
Further, at the polar openings, getting across is just a matter of being able to make a 600 mile or so trip through the freezing artic wastes without the benefit of magic.
Back to business.
So. We need a burrow speed, and the ability to cope with gravitational shifts, as fire resist in case you blunder into a lava bit.
OR
As much cold resist as possible (off the bat, I can get 35 at 21st)(immunity would be preferable though), a pretty good endurance check, and ways to get food or go without it.
All without magic.
Like I said before, this could be a fun challenge for some epic, or even late paragon level players. Especially the no magic bit.
Oh, can you use teleportation and divination rituals to view the other side, where magic works? And then get there?
Sorry about this, but I rather like the idea of all this.
Don't much need a burrow speed either. Ordinary tunneling could work if you were determined enough.
That was my intention when I first made the Bulwark, that geting across it could be a good challenge for powerful parties. Doubly so now that two ancient cultures thought destroyed are perfectly preserved in the inner world.
Unfortunately, people got hung up on the anti-magic effect early on, thinking it was far more expansive than it was.
The other two are odd and difficult to reach, as both are on floating islands just outside the Azure Aegis in the aether.
Duska Krak exists on one, as well as a bunch of Tahns worshipping eladrin who continue to recieve divine magic in Tahns name, courtesy of Veros.
Hmm...
Ideas-
2pp- Upgrade Chakram to Greater Artifact
(Use 1pp from Create PP)
3pp- Create Exarch
-or-
1pp- Upgrade Chackram to Moderate Artifact
3pp- Create Exarch
Which would be better?
Is is possible to have my 1pp from the Create PP power of my artifact (after I upgrade it) to create an Exarch, or is that not legal?
Also, excuse my ignorance, but how does a a god who's primary manifestation is a dragon use a chakram anyway?
As far as I can tell it's not legal, I don't think you can use artifact PP until the recharge after it's made.
Also, excuse my ignorance, but how does a a god who's primary manifestation is a dragon use a chakram anyway?
Well, the chakram has to be sized and crafted well enough for him to use it. After all, dragons can stand on either 2 or all 4 feet.
Also, the chakram comes with its own sleeve so that he can take it out and put it back in with ease. The sleeve is located on his arm, so the chakram can function as a make- shift shield (if need be). :D
If you created it this reset you can't use it until the next one (saturday)
Oh, poo!
Well, I guess I'll have to make it a Moderate Artifact, so that I CAN create an Exarch. :D
"Create" is also not a valid keyword towards ascending an exarch.
What is valid then? Ascend?
)Yep, but you can't make artifacts or exarchs to provide ascend PP
Fair enough...
Yes, but ascend is not a valid keyword for an artifact (if you ascend an exarch, you're doing it with your PP alone
I agree. If you're creating an Artifact, then it is an Object- not a living thing.
Further, upgrading your Chakram to produce PP is a 3 PP action. You cannot simply spend 1 to turn a 2 PP artifact into a PP producer, you have to create the effect from scratch. So your 1 PP expenditure upgrading your CHakram has not actual effect, besides making it harder to destroy.
Now after a long period of moving across the ocean, getting an apartment, hooking up with my university and so forth I finally have some free time.
And also I am hereforth a proud citizen of the kingdom of Sweden. Just so you know
Due to the obvious time differences my posts will probably not be as frequent as they once were but I will do my best.Can two artifacts with the same keyword be combined into one? For example, say I had a staff with +1 combat, +1 mold, and an orb with +1 mold, +1 spawn. Could I combine the two to have a single +1 combat, +2 mold, +1 spawn artifact? How much PP would something like that cost?
Anywho, welcome back, Aldii.
Okay, well, I'm ready to get rid of those vampires. Don't want them causing trouble when the giants invade. Again.
To mecha, what if I send my nex exarch (Yorik) to look for yours before you begin fighting the vampires? Is there any way for him to find Selya?
You know, just a question...
And also, I didn't have an idea how international this game is:D
And if you want them to know horse riding, You should teach it to them first, with a 2 pp guide action, unless they have connection with someone who already knows how to horse ride, in which case it is 1 pp.
That´s something of a suprise...I had no idea that so many players were foreigners I thought I was the only one.
Well, I am actually American and I just live in Germany atm... but I'm moving back to the US later this month.
http://lordsofcreation.wikia.com/wiki/PPtable
Edit: Okay, solved part of the Exarch/Artifact problem. Now it just messes up if your artifact provides create PP... which is progress, I guess. There's also a problem with some of the dates... I think it was when I switched to adding the year in addition to the month and the year. Sorting by date is also a mess... it thinks it is text.
What would you be using for the knight class, since 4e doesn't have one? Warlord? Fighter?
And if you want them to know horse riding, You should teach it to them first, with a 2 pp guide action, unless they have connection with someone who already knows how to horse ride, in which case it is 1 pp.
Yes, It will likely just be warlord or something similar. Or I'll make it. Or get someone else to make it. Most likely the first or the last one.
And, also. Azora is an entire new island... but, the Azorans have had made no contact with the outside world other then the gnomes, and even then they were just a small group who are still (?) located in Azora. Aren't they a bit... unencountered for being an entire new race living on a large island just off the coast?
Ekluag, we are not in the Workshop. Further, even if we were, I specifically blocked the Skyway River from allowing people into the workshop. Such a block can't force a god to stay out, but you would definitly notice it, and wouldn't be able to find anything in the shifting maze of passages.
If your going to use Warlord for the knight class, please specify it as teaching warlord.
Ekluag, we are not in the Workshop. Further, even if we were, I specifically blocked the Skyway River from allowing people into the workshop. Such a block can't force a god to stay out, but you would definitly notice it, and wouldn't be able to find anything in the shifting maze of passages.
If I chose knight class, do I have to write up the class?
IF your going to teach a non-standard class, yes, it would be preferable to have the custom class you want to use. Otherwise, it's not a class, it's just fluff.
Alright.
Also, I find races easier to create. Thus, I have changed my mind and WILL make a write up for the Azorens. I will post it to the wiki when it is completed.
Members include Drahthor, The Empress, Hammu, Vymrl, Hensen Jijou, and likely Kiptar soon.
They are right, Ascending an Exarch requires general PP, as Ascend PP cannot be gained from artifacts.
Further, upgrading your Chakram to produce PP is a 3 PP action. You cannot simply spend 1 to turn a 2 PP artifact into a PP producer, you have to create the effect from scratch. So your 1 PP expenditure upgrading your CHakram has not actual effect, besides making it harder to destroy.
Oh... oops... :D
Well, It's just a Moderate Artifact then and nothing else, right?
Is nobody online right now?
I feel lonely...
Also, I have to ask: why bronze?
I would say so in response to your earlier question, unless you wanted to spend 3pp to turn it into a +1 combat, +1 PP artifact.. or just 2pp to turn it ihnto a +2 combat artifact.
Also, I have to ask: why bronze?
Well, I had only 1pp left to spend, and I thought that a cumulative pp value of 3 would make it a Moderate Artifact with Create PP. I guess not...
Also, Why Bronze? Isn't it a little too awkward to ask that question?
Well, to explain:
Torvek is a Bronze Dragon, so his scales can reflect light. He is interested to acquiring the Domain of Light or the Domain of the Sun. Also, the brighter the source of light is, the more brighter his scales shine. In addition, his attacks become more powerful, and he can unleash a devestating powerful attack- The Azora Solar Beam.
Why is he a Bronze Dragon? Well, his mother was a Bronze Dragon, who had her loyalty to Bahamut, the Platinum Dragon. That is why Torvek searches for all good Domains- because of the influence that Bahamut had made upon him.
Plus, I like Bronze Dragons. :D
I meant why is it called the Bronze pantheon, but thanks for the info
Oh... oops... :D
Think carefully though. Terena is probably the most messed up city in the game right now. Probably not the best time to get involved. You can still do whatever, though. Just don't be alarmed if we start seeing gnome-pires.
What sort of fortress? A boring mortal fortress would probably be a guide population. A spiffy mortal fortress could be an artifact, and a godly fortress would probably be a create plane. Or I guess If you're making their fortress yourself, it *could* be a mold land or something.
Alright. I don't think it would be create plane, as inside the fortress is a portal to another plane. See, I want the home of Azor'Chapien to be like this: there is a small castle town on the ledge outside of the fortress, a massive fortress on the peak, a portal which leads to a demiplane with another castle town (where the portal leads) and an even grander fortress, where Azor'Chapien will make his residence. That's UBER DEFENSES!!!:D
But a lot of PP...
btw, I will be gone from Sunday to Saturday, so everyone is aware.
Im new here and this looks like a fun game can I join?
And yes. Veros has a soft spot for Eijra. He'll get back to that, while his mind works it over, but she comes first.
If you edit your post to find us in the right place, I'm going to edit mine to shield us from you, as that is what would have happened.
EDIT: Done
Greater Domains: Symmetry
Moderate Domains:
Lesser Domains:
Alignment: Unaligned
Physical Appearance: The perfect symmetrical creature, a golden man bathed in light.
Symbol: The Perfect Circle. A Ring of Black on a red background.
I would like to point out that the godking buissnes stems from his own twisted selfimportence and egoistic nature.
Generaly he is an arrogant snob who would like to become the One God of the whole world. It will be hard but still, Aim for the stars!
Is there a Map of the world? I would like to know if there is a great desert somewhere. I need it for my introduction post.
From Sunday until Saturday I will be unable to post, due to the fact I will be in Switzerland taking in the great outdoors (camping). Feel free to interact with my creations (just don´t kill them!). I will try to come up with an IC reason and post it in the IC thread tommarrow.
I can manage that- Torvek is good with other Exarches. He won't attack without reason!
I just realized- Torvek is a Brass Dragon, NOT a Bronze Dragon...
Cursed Brainfarts... :raincloud :raincloud :raincloud
Is there a Domain called Symmetry?
ff6shadow-
Is there a Domain called Symmetry?
Xeadin you do realise that the domains listed on the wiki are just examples? Only one of my domains (honor) is one of the listed ones, otherwise you are free to come up with domains.
Name: Incarnations End, The Great One, Blessed, Perfect one, Godking
Greater Domains: Symmetry
Moderate Domains:
Lesser Domains:
Alignment: Unaligned
Physical Appearance: The perfect symmetrical creature, a golden man bathed in light.
Symbol: The Perfect Circle. A Ring of Black on a red background.
I would like to point out that the godking buissnes stems from his own twisted selfimportence and egoistic nature.
Generaly he is an arrogant snob who would like to become the One God of the whole world. It will be hard but still, Aim for the stars!
Is there a Map of the world? I would like to know if there is a great desert somewhere. I need it for my introduction post.
You know that just for 2 or 3pp you can create your own Demi- Plane in any of the greater planes of existence.
I can look up some of those planes for you so that you can get started.
I'd recommend creating a Lesser Plane, for a start.
Xeadin you do realise that the domains listed on the wiki are just examples? Only one of my domains (honor) is one of the listed ones, otherwise you are free to come up with domains.
Oh... well, in that case... :D
Does it cost the same amount of pp to create a Domain that corresponds with Lesser, Moderate, and Greater? Or does it cost a little more?
You know that just for 2 or 3pp you can create your own Demi- Plane in any of the greater planes of existence.
I can look up some of those planes for you so that you can get started.
I'd recommend creating a Lesser Plane, for a start.
I did know that but thank you anyway!
The reason that I want a desert is so that I have somewhere to establish a Kingdom for my followers. My plan is to take the elves(since nobody ever did anything with them, or so it seems anyhow) and give them a holy quest to find the promised land where they shall build the great temple of the Great One.
Here is a list of some of the Greater Planes of Existence.
Greater Planes include:
Another World - Assumed to be Shadowfell like.
Chaos - The elemental chaos
Farscape - Realm of the dead. A misty plane where spirits slowly move towards obvlivion
Outer Realms - Essentially the far realms.
Feywyld
Note: Your plane must be tied somehow to the Skyway River, or else you will have to pay a bonus +1pp to creating your Demi- Plane.
I did know that but thank you anyway!
The reason that I want a desert is so that I have somewhere to establish a Kingdom for my followers. My plan is to take the elves(since nobody ever did anything with them, or so it seems anyhow) and give them a holy quest to find the promised land where they shall build the great temple of the Great One.
EDIT:
To note, every god starts off with 3pp worth of domains. This might be one Greater domain or several Lesser domains. Those listed on the Wikia are only suggested domains; feel free to come up with your own.
this if from the first page of this tread.just so you know
I did know that but thank you anyway!
The reason that I want a desert is so that I have somewhere to establish a Kingdom for my followers. My plan is to take the elves(since nobody ever did anything with them, or so it seems anyhow) and give them a holy quest to find the promised land where they shall build the great temple of the Great One.
You have to approve that with ff6shadow first before you can do that.
IncarnationsEnd, you are not okay to begin posting yet. I'll most likely allow you in tommorrow. One other note. There are several people with interest in elves. Myself, MassiveAttack, and Chapien have all effected them recently.
MassiveAttack, the fortress in the mountains is inhabitted. The city of Meribia is built ontop of it. Additionaly, their is no mold populace action. Mold is only used in relation to terrain. It would be a nourish action. Additionally, your other nourish (Drawves, mostly in Meribia but also elswhere) needs to target dwarves or Meribia. You cannot effect both with the same PP.
A Refresh is basically a jump in time, and it restores your PP count to your full limit. You will start out with 6pp to spend on creating a Lesser (or Greater Domain), and some other things if you'd like. After Tuesday's Refresh, you will go down to an initial 4pp (according to ff6shadow). From then on, you are allowed to create whatever it is that you wish.
Keep in mind that you must create things that are within the legal limits. Anything that is not listed or things that are not commonplace should be run by ff6shadow. He is the main Admin for the LoC.
If you have any questions, contact me (Xeadin) or ff6shadow by posting on this thread (The OOC thread), or PM us (Private Messages).
OOC stands for Out Of Character; IC stands for In Character. just a helpful reference... :D
Any domains not listed in the examples list should be run by me, to determine what their value is.
sorry I did not realize that.
There are several people with interest in elves. Myself, MassiveAttack, and Chapien have all effected them recently.
Would it be alright if my God sent out the Holy Quest to some elves of all kingdoms, with a nourish action? The way I see it is that he calls for elves with the potential to be perfect(symmetrical).
Is this ok?
I'll see you tomorrow then
I'm not trying to hog the spotlight, Chapien- you know that.
Just a joke, friend:D
Hoe to see you all soon, or tomorrow! :D
Chapien- we will resume our session when I come back. Is that okay?
I have to log out right now...
Hoe to see you all soon, or tomorrow! :D
Chapien- we will resume our session when I come back. Is that okay?
Fine, that is fine! But, just do it before Sunday German time... else I'll already be on my way for a week.
) but can only gods go to the Astral Sea, or can their exarchs be sent as well?Yes, exarchs can go there as well. Heck, mortals can if they try hard enough. . . though Eijra is in the prime plane right nowl, no the Astral Sea.
I hate it when I miss key information... modifying post...
Heh, technically, since Azora is in the sea south of Terena, she is high in the sky above it. Your not travelling far.
Wow, I didn't know that... so, I guess Azor'Chapien is just lazy or somethin', teleporting to somewhere just above him...
With an echoing crack, a wave of reddish black shadows burst from a point before Shurka as Veros returned to the astral sea. His eyes flared red as he looked at him, growling, "You said you knew something, Shurka. What was it?"
He entered through a direct, temporary portal. And know nothing can get in to look and see if he is there. I set myself into a nice trap.
And in case it wasn't clear, Veros is no longer a god. Drevan is the god now, with all the power and benefits that entails.
(mind also that I have already sensed the vampire and was interested in his action from the time he faced my exarch).
Same questio for the resurrection of the goddess.
The fall of Veros, no, as it occured my demi-plane.
I'm back! :D
Don't worry I'll not interfere in any destructive way.
Also, I don't recall you mentioning you were watching him in the IC.
Now, if you were to seek him out now, you'd certainly notice something happened, even if you weren't sure what . . . assuming he wanted to be found. He still has that blasted staff of ruin, which makes it difficult for gods to find him . . or even for knowledge to now he exists. ;)
guess I'll go back to sleep good night.
Did Topheh create Babble? What's it like (Brief description)?
Uh, you realize that neither Babble or Azora are planes, right? They both exist in the prime world.
The Prime World? You mean the world in the Mortal Stories?
How does that make sense?
I'm confused now...Anyway here is my draft of the Bloodmyst map from the wiki.
Btw I remembered that long ago you were talking about making a new topic for LoC since we are getting too high in post count, are we going to do that or just stick with this one?
I was talking about a new topic, and I found that my numbers were off. It's not necessary right now.
I'll try to find some time for map updates soon.
To shadow ah oki ;) good that we can keep this post (its easier to go with everything only in one place.
... And Happy 4th of July!!! :D
Incarnation's End: It would be a guide populous action, not a nourish, but yes, that would be a way to get some elves to travel across the world to a desert and become yours.
Xeadin: No, I didn't make Babble, Siccadan did, but I can give you a brief description. Babble is a village (now a fairly decent-sized town) set in the woods to the west of the humites on the map. The gnomes in general make their homes out of wood. Here's Siccadan's original description:
"Gnomish architecture was built around nature, instead of bending it to its will. Tree houses were common, and in some sections of gnomish lands, entire villages were comprised of tree houses. In sections that were devoid of trees, huts were used, and in some cases, gnomes lived in hollowed out hills. Gnomish culture was varied and widespread, as gnomes who embodied similar words tended to group together. It was such that the village of Adjective was home to gnomes who were named after words of the more descriptive kind, while the village of Rush was home to gnomes who embodied short and to the point words like Run or Mad."
In the center of town is a fey circle leading to the Feywyld.
And now to read the IC and catch up!
Oh, by the way, I'm traveling this week so I really wont be on all that much. Should still be able to interact, but... dont come expecting prolonged IC conversations
Edit: Xeadin, Azora's not a star. You were probably seeing Chukwa. Azora's an island. Looks like Chapien got us to the right place in the end, though. Chukwa is only large enough to be considered a lonely island floating in space
Oh, and the Library isn't cut off, per say... people still travel through it, they just cant get to the books from the skyway river. As a god, you don't have to go through the river, though
And the way into mechanus is just... scary, not *actually* deadly. . He doesn't intend to do anything about it though, so probably doesn't matter either way...Also, hope it was alright to have the Motes of Change be a species instead of an individual without a nourish action. It makes sense, since usually when someone spends spawn PP it creates a whole species, but again will gladly edit if it's a no go.
Though I am slightly saddend that the ancient "Zeusish" Veros has been replace with an irritating Vampire...well maybe Drevan has something more to him then doom and destruction..
After all, for example, Shurka is a divinity that represent oracles and divinations.
Also what is going to happen to his exarchs and creatures, will they automatically accept a new master (I guess you can decide that, but I find hard to believe that they'll follow the one who killed their lord and creator), even the ones that orginally belonged to other gods and have being left as inerritance to him?
Yes they are a new specie of beasts, they just grow in number after Hensen invested divine power in them I guess.
Btw I did not know that Azora was so near to the main contient, so I guess I can send some Free Nation mercant fleet toward it (next turn I'm out of points now) and begin some nice interaction.
Yes, it will be funnier of course if there is some kind of interaction between them and some other people.
Btw I did not know that Azora was so near to the main contient, so I guess I can send some Free Nation mercant fleet toward it (next turn I'm out of points now) and begin some nice interaction.
Right, though I suppose it depends as to where the Free Nation is, seeing as Azora is off the west coast and near Terena (or however that is spelt).
I have some questions regarding my introduction post.
Is it ok if my god is created out of the death of Veros? just for the fluff, no hidden reason. The way I think it happened is that the death of the overgod caused ripples in the hearts and minds of all races in the eintire world, freeing up belief and some of the released power then gathered and formed a new god.
Is it ok if I create a desert in the top left corner of the main continet or shall I raise my own continet?
otherwise I think I have everythingelse figured out so to speak.
As for the effects regarding the swap, Drevan has inheritted Veros's divine spark, with everything connected to it. So he is unconciously continuing to supply Veros's worshippers with access to divine power. If he realizes this, he can stop it with a guide action, or use a guide action to tell them who their new god is. Until then, mortals assume Veros is still around by default.
Aldii, nothing says the change is permanent. It is possible to get Veros back. On the other hand, I wouldn't excpet too much besides doom and gloom. He's an insane vampire wizard after all.
Veros is not dead, simply trapped in a time bubble, inside a demi-plane. And it shouldn't have been noticeable. The change took place on a demi-plane, not within the prime world. At most, their might be an oddm sense of forboding, but nobody should be picking up that Veros has vanished. There is a reason I did it on a demi-plane, and not in the prime world. AnubisDreadhad a good post. He felt something was wrong, but had absolutely no idea what it might be.
As for the effects regarding the swap, Drevan has inheritted Veros's divine spark, with everything connected to it. So he is unconciously continuing to supply Veros's worshippers with access to divine power. If he realizes this, he can stop it with a guide action, or use a guide action to tell them who their new god is. Until then, mortals assume Veros is still around by default.
Aldii, nothing says the change is permanent. It is possible to get Veros back. On the other hand, I wouldn't excpet too much besides doom and gloom. He's an insane vampire wizard after all.
Sigh... time to hit that damn edit button again...
Well it sort of feels like we're powerless to do anything since this is all one big secret from the rest of us...
I must agree.
Also, my post has been edited.
have I got green light about posting or do I need to wait?
I'll be going on vacation for 3 weeks starting this sunday, so I won't be able to post anything during that time.
I would prefer it if nothing associated with Tsarokga-Noggoth gets used or altered, since I won't be able to react on it.
Name: Starl
Domain: Rodents
Physical Appearance: Starl tends to take the form of his most beloved creations, the Skreet, a race of small, humanoid ratmen (There's a first turn creation action...). More specifically, he is depicted in paintings by them as a taller (6 foot-ish), 7 tailed Skreet.
Symbol: A coiled rat's tail, where the stub meets the tip. Starl is at the beginning and the end for his Skreet followers...
ok, thats cool I didn't see that.
Wow. Looks like I missed a lot while traveling today!
Incarnation's End: It would be a guide populous action, not a nourish, but yes, that would be a way to get some elves to travel across the world to a desert and become yours.
Xeadin: No, I didn't make Babble, Siccadan did, but I can give you a brief description. Babble is a village (now a fairly decent-sized town) set in the woods to the west of the humites on the map. The gnomes in general make their homes out of wood. Here's Siccadan's original description:
"Gnomish architecture was built around nature, instead of bending it to its will. Tree houses were common, and in some sections of gnomish lands, entire villages were comprised of tree houses. In sections that were devoid of trees, huts were used, and in some cases, gnomes lived in hollowed out hills. Gnomish culture was varied and widespread, as gnomes who embodied similar words tended to group together. It was such that the village of Adjective was home to gnomes who were named after words of the more descriptive kind, while the village of Rush was home to gnomes who embodied short and to the point words like Run or Mad."
In the center of town is a fey circle leading to the Feywyld.
And now to read the IC and catch up!
Oh, by the way, I'm traveling this week so I really wont be on all that much. Should still be able to interact, but... dont come expecting prolonged IC conversations
Edit: Xeadin, Azora's not a star. You were probably seeing Chukwa. Azora's an island. Looks like Chapien got us to the right place in the end, though. Chukwa is only large enough to be considered a lonely island floating in space
Oh, and the Library isn't cut off, per say... people still travel through it, they just cant get to the books from the skyway river. As a god, you don't have to go through the river, though
Thanks, Topheh. ;)
What plane did you create, though? Just curious...
Torvek likes to explore new places. :D
So, we still have access to the Library- it's just that the books can't be taken? How does that work?
Well, if you're still accepting players, I'd love to have a go...
Name: Starl
Domain: Rodents
Physical Appearance: Starl tends to take the form of his most beloved creations, the Skreet, a race of small, humanoid ratmen (There's a first turn creation action...). More specifically, he is depicted in paintings by them as a taller (6 foot-ish), 7 tailed Skreet.
Symbol: A coiled rat's tail, where the stub meets the tip. Starl is at the beginning and the end for his Skreet followers...
We welcome you to the Lords of Creation, friend.
Down to business:
- You don't have any followers until you create them (it is always important that you look at the wiki, or to get a hold of ff6shadow).
- You are not cleared to post on the IC thread yet, until the next refresh (which will be occuring sometime today). After that, you will be cleared to post on the IC thread
- After the refresh, you will be starting with 6pp to spend on the most important things first (creating your plane, creating an Artifact or ascending an Exarch, or whatnot). After Tuesday's refresh, you will go down to 4pp (according to ff6shadow).
These are to help you better understand how the LoC works. If you have any further questions, please contact anyone on the OOC thread, or PM ff6shadow. Someone is bound to help you out, so no worries. :D
We're always expecting more people to join us.
Enjoy! :D
gotta run, but the plane was the library. and its mortals that have an issue getting into the library without permission... Gods, as a rule, can go anywhere they want unless theres something specifically keeping them from it (for instance, Vymrl has an artifact that specifically blocks other Gods)... mine doesnt do that.
So, the Gods have access to the books (unless there's a specific effect that prevents them from doing so)?
Poor Vymrl... :D
Maybe he shouldn't be doing too much Swashbucling, eh? ;)
so... How will my god come into existance?
You can have your god come in at any way that you see fit. If it is a specific event that requires some specific place, you should run that by ff6shadow.
In the meantime, the LoC is 100% Improv! ;) You can have a creative entrance of your choice.
... and Happy 4TH OF JULY!!! :D
Chapien-
Good luck in Switzerland. ;)
Topheh-
Best wishes on your travels. :D
Chapien how do you like CC3? I borrowed it from a friend a few years back and never managed to get the hang of it. Then again, I wanted dungeon maps... for world-maps I could see it working quite nicely.
Ekluag, as I mentioned, those were still the same maps as last time. I simply reposted them as they had fallen back 20 pages.
IncarnationsEnd, you'll determine how you are born, once your okayed to post.
Chapien, yes, I made them in MSpaint. My PC is excessively limited in capability. If you'd like to assemble something in CC3, feel free.
PP Refresh
7 - Veros
6 - Xirinet, Tsaroka-Noggoth, The Empress, Shurka, Vymrl, Mara
5 - Drahthor, Hensen Jijou, Eijra, Kiptar
4 - Hammu, Jormundrasil, Nixis, Azor-Chapien, Chroma, Torvek
Eventually we can just use AutoRealm (that is free if I remember well and has really low requirements) as a mapping software.
The Storehouse of Light saps it's power to provide light to the inner world.
. I was originally going put the Rainbow Veil as a sort of coloured filter on the Storehouse of Light, but this way seems to work better all things considered. Sorry if changing the colour of the sky is a little.. much ^_^;...I swear there is a Mr T emote yet no sweat drop
Greater Domains: Symmetry
Moderate Domains:
Lesser Domains:
Alignment: Unaligned
Physical Appearance: The perfect symmetrical creature, a golden man bathed in light. He is dressed in a cape and cowl that in the eye of the beholder appears to be black and white at the same time. He has six arms, the first hand clasped in a tight fist of rage and the next open in an offering of protection. One is holding a open book and the corresponding one a burning parchment. the last pair is bound by black barbed chains which prohibit movement. Theise hands hold in them a shining key. The object in the chained hands is a mystery, prehaps the biggest in existance. But The Great one will never tell any living soul, god or man of the secret of the key.
For a secret which is only known to you is the most powerful secret of all.
Symbol: The Perfect Circle. Ring of Black with a tilted square in the middle on a red background.
reposting as per shadows instructions(PMing).
hopefully I shall be approved tomorrow and begin posting.
Cheers!
Assume Azor'Chapien just follows Eijra... then have the vampire imprison him or something. I'll be back Saturday.
did I miss a meeting or something? The treads are unusually dead or is it just me?
It'll pick up again later today or monday.As for why we've slowed down, I blame it on 4th of July, and we've got what, three or four people out on vacation and what not?
There are four of us here though. You two, and it seems Aldii is online.
By the way, IncarnationsEnd, you are free to post. You have 6 PP.
ff6shadow frikken sweet
by the way, shall I ad a page to the wiki concerning my god? Ive been trying to figure out how to edit the wiki by reading the help page but U still can't figure it out.Edit: Incarnation's End is up here:
http://lordsofcreation.wikia.com/wiki/IncarnationsEnd
Just hit edit to add whatever else you need.
And Zophia is up too... although I or someone will need to go back and fill in a few of the more relevant areas... such as Zophar
Gotta run now, though.thanx topheh!
did I spend my PP correctly?
I've got a moment. I'll get a page up for both of you. I'm gonna hold off on updating the story and the PP page until I get back from the in-laws, though... takes a little too much time than I honestly have
Edit: Incarnation's End is up here:
http://lordsofcreation.wikia.com/wiki/IncarnationsEnd
Just hit edit to add whatever else you need.
And Zophia is up too... although I or someone will need to go back and fill in a few of the more relevant areas... such as Zophar
Just curious-
Is it the page that describes our gods? Because I never got around to making a page for Torvek.
Do the Warforged exist yet? Because I'm thinking about creating a large, 4- legged Warforged Guardian to guard Torvek's home temple. :D
Also, can I spend the remaining 1pp to upgrade the weapon to a Greater Artifact? If it's a Greater Artifact, does it have a +2 combat bonus, or do I have to spend extra pp to make it a +2 combat bonus weapon?
Also, warforged have been around for some time, and have their own culture I believe, though the details of which are a little hazey to me...
Didn't we already go through this? To make a greater artifact, you need to spend 3pp, regardless of whether you're making it out of a moderate or lesser or not.
Also, warforged have been around for some time, and have their own culture I believe, though the details of which are a little hazey to me...
That was to make it have Create PP, AnubisDread.
Giving an existing artifact an extra combat bonus is a 2 pp action I think (like creating a new one).
Welcome IncarnationEnd nice to have another new guy here ;)
Nice intro post (but I have no idea if everything is correct, I think you'll have to ask shadow for that).
That was to make it have Create PP, AnubisDread.
Well the same is true of any PP though... unless you did just intend to give it a +2 combat bonus, in which case it wouldn't be a Greater Artifact but two Moderate artifacts in one and would cost 2PP.
See, the Wiki doesn't tell me that! (Or maybe I haven't been looking in the right area...)
So, basically giving a weapon +1pp to make it a Greater Artifact from a Moderate Artifact makes it a lot harder to destroy.
See, the Wiki doesn't tell me that! (Or maybe I haven't been looking in the right area...)
No, adding +1pp to a Moderate Artifact makes it a Moderate Artifact and a Lesser Artifact (that has no effect, it's the sort of artifact like the Hand of Vecna that's only intended for mortal use) in one, not a Greater Artifact. Greater Artifacts provide PP. And I believe it does say somewhere to decreated somethihng you need to expendm PP equal to it's worth...
I will start activley interacting with other gods tomorrow.
No, adding +1pp to a Moderate Artifact makes it a Moderate Artifact and a Lesser Artifact (that has no effect, it's the sort of artifact like the Hand of Vecna that's only intended for mortal use) in one, not a Greater Artifact. Greater Artifacts provide PP. And I believe it does say somewhere to decreated somethihng you need to expendm PP equal to it's worth...
Two artifacts in one? Wha...?
I guess I'll just create the Warforged Guardian and nothing else...
However, the Lesser Artifact side doesn't really help you out that much on providing a better Combat Bonus...
... Or does it?
I was simply wondering if i used the correct actions for what i did
I will start activley interacting with other gods tomorrow.
Well, let's see. You look mostly good, but there's a couple things-
The elves had traveled for many months, They knew not why but something was calling nay demanding their presence. They traveled west over the shattered lands.
This bit of fluff is wrong- the Shattered Lands are to the east of the elves, so they would not pass through them on their way to the western sea. No biggy though.
they found a way and made a most magnificent temple, compleatly out of glass.
If ff6shadow is a stickler, this is a problem for you. I'm pretty sure (forum search is on the fritz so I can't check) that Elves know neither glassworking nor architecture, so they would likely find building a temple out of glass to be a difficult task.
2PP - Guide Populace (Greater), to make the elves start a culture.
1 PP (Nourish or Guide) is all that is necessary to form a nation iirc.
I'll just have to wait until the next Refresh to upgrade my weapon.
Yep, no way the elves could build a glass temple. They don't have architecture or glass making. And it's 1 PP, guide or nourish, to start a nation. A 2 PP mold land could effect half the continent. I doubt that was your intention.
Btw I was thinking, will anyone be interested in starting a little play by post (maybe just a single quest) in the world we are making?
That sounds good to me, my only concern is that the world changes so fast that sticking to one era will be hard, since it'll so tempting to include more modern things people have done since we started ;)
OKay, there is one thing. Spending 1 PP onto an existing artifact can reinforce it. The 1 PP has no effect besides making the artifact harder to destroy. The Sunshine Chakram, for example, is a 3 PP artifact for destruction purposes, but it's still a moderate +1 combat artifact.
Yep, no way the elves could build a glass temple. They don't have architecture or glass making. And it's 1 PP, guide or nourish, to start a nation. A 2 PP mold land could effect half the continent. I doubt that was your intention.
Understood. ;)
That sounds good to me, my only concern is that the world changes so fast that sticking to one era will be hard, since it'll so tempting to include more modern things people have done since we started
We can make it like it is for mortal stories (settled in a time that is not 100% continous with the game history), so we can hava a flexible setting.
Also we will need a lot of decision making before starting the first adventure, like when and where to play it, who's going to play and who's going to DM, what theme of the world we would like to use and so on.
EDIT: we can also make "short stories" so we can stay consistent with every story but use different time setting for different adventures.
And I'd be game for a... err... game. With each refresh being 250 years and the PP page up to date, it would be fairly easy to just say 'okay, we're gonna be working in *this* refresh... anything posted afterwards is unusable' or the like.
I should get working on my therapist class :P
And no, Xeadin, you never made a page for Torvek. In fact: here are a list of gods who haven't made a page for themselves:
Torvek, Ka, Ipsur, Azor'Chapien, Sessilee.
Ka and Ipsur are semi-defunct, so I guess I can tackle those myself later.
Running out of time... gotta log out.
Topheh- shall we resume our session when I return tomorrow?
The Divine Blockade pevents entry into the Demiplane of Time, from it's entrance or the Skyway River. The entrance to the Demiplane of Time is within the Storehouse, but the Storehouse is not within the demiplane.
I would think that, if it was blocking the Skyway river entirely, you would need to spend the PP to also modify the river itself--it has already had 6-7 PP spent on it, in plane, artifact, and land form. If you are just blocking access from the skyway River, I don't think that is a problem, but I think you would need to spend more to do the former.
But really, all I care about is if it is blocking entirely or just access.
So it still prevents all access. The skyway river moves through it normally, you just can't see in or enter it.
On the other hand, I don't expect it to survive long, at the rate things are going.
And no, Xeadin, you never made a page for Torvek. In fact: here are a list of gods who haven't made a page for themselves:
Torvek, Ka, Ipsur, Azor'Chapien, Sessilee.
Active, Inactive, Resigned, Active, Looking Inactive
1PP - Guide Populace, to call the elves to the desert
1PP - Mold Land, to create the desert
1PP - Nourish Populace, to make the elves start a culture.
1PP- Guide Populace, to make them discover glassworking
is this correct? if yes then I will edit it.
The reason for the elves to travel across the shattered land is beacause Blessed only called out to elves who lived far away. If they had their forest only a month or so away then they would be tempted to abandon the whole enterprise.
by the way? how do you measure the power and influence of cultures? do you count the amount of PP spent on them or do you have some other system?
Umm, I think it's vaguely the PP you spend, though I think it's also determined by outside influences... in a nutshell though I'd say their power isn't really measured persay, it's a little more.. loose than that in my experiences anyway.
As for the Shattered Lands, the only elves that could walk to where you want them are the ones just to the north east. The other elves are across the ocean, on a continent that has no races with sailing or shipbuilding. So unless you conjured them across the ocean, they couldn't just walk to your desert.
ill edit the PP too.
What kind of place - idea - or age you find interesting enough for that?
Who woul'd be willing to play?
I'd love to play (or dm eventually but I never done a Play by post), I like a lot of stuff in LoC world, from Terena's complex politics (vampires, dopples, the White Shield and Free Nations, for example we can play the White Shield fall).
To the Dark Eladrin Escape from their homeland and creation of their new "nation", or the strage things that happened within the Empress realms, or the war between the continent and the Imperium. A tale of pirates in the Free Nation, a disturbing Wondermaker story.
The founding of Azora, or the new desert elves, a travel trough the core of the world. The fall of the dwarves and halflings.
These are just a few exaples that jumped into my mind now, but there are hundred possible cool moment in the history of LoC world.
EDIT: I'll post my actions soon (tomorrow I don't think I'll be able to log), I think that the post will be a little unpolished.
Hope everything is alright and in line.
(Yes, I didn't create a plane. He'll be living with his people on the mortal Plane purely for a while, I rather like the idea of ascending a God... especially one of a rather low stature, through a series of deeds over a long period of time... Is that OK? :/)
EDIT: Was also wondering if I could possibly get a profile on the wikia when it isn't too much trouble. Am working on a profile for PC Skreet as I speak.
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ON an entirely different note, there is one problem with your post. The world doesn't truly have a north pole. There is a giant hole in that area leading into the inner world, about 1500 miles in diameter on the outside, and 1000 on the inside. At their narrowest, the polar openings are 800 mile in diameter.
Next up, not creating a plane isn't an issue. Very few gods have a plane in their first few turns, and there is no requirement to have one. Veros didn't create his first plane, the Workshop, until fifteen turns in.
On the play-by-post, I've never DMed a play-by-post, though I could give it a try.
I read up on the Wiki, the idea was to build the tunnels around as 'branches' from the hole that consitutes the north pole, so to speak, though if that would not be possible, I understand.
What do you mean by branches?
The pole hole is a 'vertical' hole downwards From which sprouts a tunnel of the Midland of Starl and the Skreet...
So.. the Pole Hole is similar to a trunk, almost, and the Skreet live in 'branches' off it.
Or... how Rats and voles burrow into the banks of rivers or cliffsides.
Also, Xaedin, is your exarch PP producing or combat?
Combat.
Honestly, are there 2 types of Exarches?
Sorry. I told him that he wasn't cleared to post until the next refresh, though- isn't that how it works? Or do you have the schedule?
I thought that I would help you out a little- carry some of that weight off of you.
ff6shadow-
Sorry. I told him that he wasn't cleared to post until the next refresh, though- isn't that how it works? Or do you have the schedule?
I thought that I would help you out a little- carry some of that weight off of you.
Not trying to be harsh here man, but until you have a firm grasp of the rules and flow of the game the best thing you can do is direct people to either the search function or the wiki and then sit tight for someone else to answer specific questions.
Usually the next refresh, but at times people have had to wait. In his case, he only had 1 domain, a lesser. Unless the player specifically wishes to start with less domains than permitted, I'm not going to let them do it on accident
Ah. So, if they don't have 3pp worth of domains (unless they have a good reason why they don't), then they aren't cleared to post in the IC thread.
Gotcha! ;)
I, too, have no familiarity with play-by-post, but I'd be willing to try and figure it out.
hehe, playing DnD all day, actually.
I, too, have no familiarity with play-by-post, but I'd be willing to try and figure it out.
Nice. I like playing D&D, too. :D
I'm ready whenever you are- but I only have a limited time, before I have to log off. 15 minutes!
I honestly did not expect that to happen! How are you able to do that?
(Grrr- I hate Double/ Triple posting! Ah well... What are you gonna do about it? It occurs...
)2 PP - Eijra
2 PP - Nixis
2 PP - Hensen
Since you guys are so close. Otherwise, see you when I'm feeling better.
(Also Play-by-post sounds neat. I'd give it a go)
I actually do have some little experience in a play by post, I'm actually playing an elf paladin in a play by post game at the moment. My DMing skills and knowledge of the world are still a bit lacking on both accounts I believe ^_^;;
I'll have to read through the Mortal Stories thread more thoroughly because, I have to admit, I'm way behind on that, just to sort of get a better idea of how the different races are portrayed in this world.
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And some of my cultures aren't talking to anybody else's stuff (read minotaurs, anything on Taldar), and I'm not really up to giant posts describing them just for that purpose.
Yeah I really need to write some more details on the gnolls... been meaning to do a Mortal Stories post that goes more into detail about the Way of the Hunt, Way of Slaughter split
(And, the angle I'm going with them is less pestilence and disease rats, as per Skaven-esque archetypes, and more... surprisingly cultured, docile, but a bit wierd and ugly)
The trip to the center would be a decent adventure, though it would be mostly survival and fighting, since there isn't much in the way of civilization once you enter one of the polar openings, and the underdark doesn't reach through yet.
Then there comes the next problem, that we'd have to come up with a set of ruls that we could all agree onh for anti-magic. Because any trip into the inner world passes right through it.
. That is true... at the polar opening there's going to be the Skreet soon, and maybe some other Underdark denizens like the mindflayers, but unless some Kruthik borrowed in deep and migrated a long way from the Bloodstone Mountains there's not much Underground stuff you can face in the Innerworld.. and even above ground there are only two intelligent races you can interact with that you don't have to fly to. Well three, if you count the different gnoll hordes as seperate cultures..
As for anti-magic, I have a rule set I've used,nbut it is best for a short time, not something I'd want to play under long term. Essentially, only at-will powers can be used. Not true anti-magic, since at-will spells still work and it effects arcane, but it's fair to everybody.
This would, in turn, disadvantage Martial players too. If ranged arrows were blown off-course, and close-combat characters felt weaker due to the frost numbing their bones...
Perhaps -1 dice to all attacks, or a penalty to hit?
Post sent.
this could be really intresting
by the way. what is the pp cost to change an already existing species?
I do like to back up the background with crunch sometimes...
ff6shadow-
Post sent.
this could be really intresting
by the way. what is the pp cost to change an already existing species?
Modify it how?
Anyway, going to the underworld sounds cool, what races are we allowed to play? And what books, I guess?
For dm-ing in the play by post I suggest that we do some kind of rotation among interested playrs (for example, player 1 run the first quest, player 2 the second and so on), and to start with non connected quests (maybe even with different characters) so we can "test" more part of the world and concepts.
I like the idea of the inner world exploration by the way (even if there will be some complexity in working out the mechanics I think).
to Mecha, wish you to get better asap ;) not sick in over one year hehe lucky mate ;) I usually get flu every christmass for some reason (maybe I'm the Grinch hehe).
Edit to anubis: nice fluffing post about the gnoll, maybe put a link on it to the wiki (or make a page about the schism and copy the post there), so it will be more accessible after 10 or more posts on mortal stories.
to Mecha, wish you to get better asap ;) not sick in over one year hehe lucky mate ;) I usually get flu every christmass for some reason (maybe I'm the Grinch hehe).
I don't get sick often, but when I do, it usually really sucks. Like when I couldn't speak and I had an oral report in English class. (Which actually worked out pretty well since I got excused from it!)
I'm getting better though. I was just thinking for PbP we'll need a reason for multiple races being together. Also, I gave mechanics for mutations for half-humites on the wiki. You might want to have that apply to humans and humites as well (Take away a human's defense bonus, or a humite's faster healing surge for the bonuses.)
Keep in mind we can also choose Star backgrounds (check The Stars in the wiki... I think.)
Bleh, I'm going back to sleep.
I don't get sick often, but when I do, it usually really sucks. Like when I couldn't speak and I had an oral report in English class. (Which actually worked out pretty well since I got excused from it!)
I'm getting better though. I was just thinking for PbP we'll need a reason for multiple races being together. Also, I gave mechanics for mutations for half-humites on the wiki. You might want to have that apply to humans and humites as well (Take away a human's defense bonus, or a humite's faster healing surge for the bonuses.)
Keep in mind we can also choose Star backgrounds (check The Stars in the wiki... I think.)
Bleh, I'm going back to sleep.
Yah I've been lazy about the star backgrounds... Mostly for lack of people giving input from the first thirteen.
ff6shadow-
When will today's Reset occur?
Also, please don't clog up the OOC with triple posts.
Another hour and ten minutes, minimum.
Also, please don't clog up the OOC with triple posts.
Grrr...
Well, I guess I can just take up the time needed to create some monsters for the Magi Chronicles RPG (an RPG that I created), before I come back to the computers.
Also- sorry. I'm just getting a little bored of not seeing a post from you guys. I would like to see some action with the LoC. :embarrass
Gotta log off soon. I will relogin in about 1 hour! :D
You know, there is also another continent just to the east of Kalafi Krak. I didn't know if you knew that Taldar was so close.
Edit to anubis: nice fluffing post about the gnoll, maybe put a link on it to the wiki (or make a page about the schism and copy the post there), so it will be more accessible after 10 or more posts on mortal stories.
Good idea, I've been meaning to put something under the gnoll section of the wiki anyway..
Also, excellent move making the rakshasha come to Ardune, it's about somebody else showed some interest in it ;)
Gotta log off soon. See you all tomorrow!
Turn 39 begins now. 9750 years have elapsed since the beginning of existence.
PP Refresh
7 - Veros
6 - Xirinet, Tsaroka-Noggoth, The Empress, Shurka, Vymrl, Mara
5 - Drahthor, Hensen Jijou, Eijra, Kiptar, Hammu
4 - Jormundrasil, Nixis, Azor-Chapien, Chroma, Torvek
XiahouXu , please repost your gods stat block. Once you do, you are free to begin posting.
Obvious implications would be the Free Nation can’t get to Terena by sea, nor meet with the Azorans now.
Well the free nation keep access to Terena trough the bloodways, and they have met the Azorans before they were moved (my post was before yours) so yes they can get there by seas the first time than they'll have to figure out another way...
Btw Welcome Back Angel how are you doing?
Gief a post in mortal about Imperium ambassadors in the Free Nation.
I'd be interested to play in a PbP game, I'd offer to DM except that I'm already running a game IRL. If you decide to involve the Imperium or the South at all, I'd be happy to write up fluff.
Anyways, Shadow that Plane should cost 3 PP though right? I didn't see any one else make a plane before you so the Skyway River penalty would count.
hehe wow 1500 words post incoming ;)?
Eijra in front of Drevan. This ought to be fun.
You met them, yes. But now you'll have to find them again.
Something else to bring up later, but I'm late and need to run to my game. Might check in periodically.
And why +1 combat while there? would not it count as his realm and gief +2 instead?
hehe wow 1500 words post incoming ;)?
Because it's an artifact, and not a plane.
to mecha: yes now I know that... it was a plane when I checked the forum before posting my comment...
Good Night people.
Must... find out... what happens. Oh well, I'll just take my medicine now. That should kill 3 minutes :P
What Shurka saw was definitely not anything that he expected. Eijra, the Fey goddess was bowing to... Drevan, that abomination!
"No... Murderer..."
"Murderer!"
I was under the impression no-one knew who'd imprisoned him because it occured on a demi-plane?
Name: Starl
Domain: Rodents, Music
Physical Appearance: Starl tends to take the form of his most beloved creations, the Skreet, a race of small, humanoid ratmen (There's a first turn creation action...). More specifically, he is depicted in paintings by them as a taller (6 foot-ish), 7 tailed Skreet.
Symbol: A coiled rat's tail, where the stub meets the tip. Starl is at the beginning and the end for his Skreet followers...
We're gonna need 4 successful attacks in order to imprison Drevan :\Mara is trying to extract Drevan from the situation and hide him for the turn. I'm not sure that's mehanically possible though. Mara is not supposed to be attacking anyone.
If this is not possible, then disregard.
You ninja'd me too, as I had just posted having lost the fight. Had to do a rush edit. Very unexpected. . . . I didn't see anybody coming to give me a hand.
I have 10, and I'm getting three aids. That's 16 vs 15. I'm still winning
Um...
Everything was going according to plan, too . . . .
The edit button giveth, the edit button taketh away.
anyway... 2 extra combat artifact coming from nowere seems a little strange imho, finally I don't know exactly the intention of massive but his aid bonus was to spirit him away not to help him fighting (wich is different)...
EDIT: finally Hensen is not using illusions as a way to attack Drevan, but to hide the fact that he was channeling power in Shurka (that does not change anything mechanically but the fluff of the post should be changed).
As for the artifacts, they didn't come from nowhere. I made very sure to note that I took Yoglith's remains, and then that there were around when the battle was brewing. People just forgot that his Chronoptera Hives, fused with his own body, were actual combat artifacts.
Then he stepped out, noting that he was now within the Storehouse of Light, an ancient and almost defunct artifact. Two skeletons lay upon the cold ground, their flesh long rotted away.
He raised the Staff of Veros, and the two bodies rose to life once more, their skeletal forms awaiting his command. "Much easier now." he mused as he turned back to the gateway.
He tapped the staff of ruin ever so slightly, calling two his two seketal minions. "Those who live in glass houses, should not through stones, should they, healer?" The skeletal remains of the twin Yogliths appearing at his command, standing at attention near him.
Btw if I remember well before dying Yorglith made so that no one could permanently claim any of his artifacts right?
Nobody is rushing to claim Zophia's artifacts. Same goes for Tahns's. And nobody rushed after Yoglith's either. They've been sitting there for what now, a month now?
Basically, all I want to see under your post is:
2 PP - Claim Artifact - Chronophrena Hive (or whatever it's called)
anyway the point of Mecha I think is that if it is free to "steal" dead god artifacts, without spendina anything, that will be an incentive for a race to claim them (ofc you will have to know that they are dead and that will make even stronger domains that allow such knowledge).
Anyway got to go off for a few hours see you later ppl ;)
Edit: upps mecha already posted everything... I guess I'm too sloooowwww
Anyway since it'll be hard to make a rule after the situation happened and I think that it was clever from Drevan to gain these items stealthly (maybe spending the points after this post so that we can balance the things out a little, but still considering that he had them during the fight).
And we can set that from now claiming artifacts from dead god is not free (Imho even inheritance should have a price for the sake of balance) if everyone is oke ofc...
I'd love to have refluffed the part where the are used against Hensen (since he was not attacking in person after all).
I just dont' see why you're so opposed to spending 2PP for +1 combat like the rest of us.
I'm not opposed. It's not necessary. The rules don't prohibit the taking of artifacts that no longer have an owner.
I mean, I don't see why getting them for free makes any sense at all.
It also doesn't help that you're the only admin for this entire game and it feels like you're just saying that because it gives you an advantage. I don't want to say you are, but it's kind of hard not to. I'd stop arguing if two admins told me, but the fact that it's being controlled by a single person makes it harder for me to respect your autority. Sorry.
Okay. As soon as all of my ongoing plans and stories are wrapped up, I'll remove Veros from the game.
I agree that it is sometimes frustrating playing a game where only one player knows all the rules, but I'd very much rather see another person step up into an admin role to give the balance of two admins, then to lose another old, established and interesting god from the world.
Btw Veros was a great god and with his Zeusesque attitude he was "distant" enough from the action of the other gods that there were no problem in him being stronger, while this new incarnation is super involved and that makes "conflicts" easier....
Also since we have this problem with free inheritance\claim of artifacts and so on why don't we set a rule now to settle any future question?
Also, should we take the gnoll emissaries to the raksasha to Mortal Stories? Or did you just want to work out a quick summary of any arrangement they come to?
Okay. As soon as all of my ongoing plans and stories are wrapped up, I'll remove Veros from the game.
I am not sure what you mean by "remove," but can you hold off on this? The weak, but noticeable signs that Veros least is alive is part of the reason Mara did what she did, so it's somewhat integral to the conversation with Draven, in so far as I can use it for some interesting dynamics.
Also, I want to make sure I have a clear understanding of Draven's motivations for taking out Veros. I get the impression some of is at least "hates bad father" syndrome, aka familial revenge, etc.
I almost feel we should map out the interaction on IM, to make it go smoothly.
Nerdzul, I'm not famliliar with the acronym "imba". What did you mean? I think Chapien is away. As for Drevan being more active, and thus conflict prone, it was very intended. I had no thoughts that he might stick around like this for more than a three-four turns, though Mara might extend that slightly.
AnubisDread, definitly take the gnolls to Mortal Stories.
The big sticking point more admins is that they would largely fall into mediating in game disputes. Even Sinasilver and Thought didn't know all the details in regards to the PP formula, which has worked mostly as I anticipated it would as the game has progressed (there have been a few sticking points, particuarly in regards to organizations and some special races (vampires and lycanthrops), where I didn't anticipate how to handle them).
Anybody who could handle not knowing that aspect, let me know if your interested.
(I knew I should have just left it there before driving for most of the day!)
Edit: Well, this might have better story implications, and I wouldn't want to force too many extra edits. Maybe we'll just have to hunt you down again... its not that we dont know who to look for now.
Edit #2: And Shadow, don't pull Veros out of the game. I mean, I doubt its a coincidence that the one person who knows the PP formula has the most PP(:P), but beyond that I haven't seen anything too surprizing or bias-ful... I think a lot would be helped by a better rules section on the wiki (I'll work on this when I get home... [Xeadin, you can thank me later]), and perhaps a better accounting of each God's combat abilities on the wiki... this morning when I was thinking I was supporting both Shurka and Eijra, I spent a while hunting through the wiki for the bonus Eijra had (my first clue that perhaps she wasn't attacking on her own), but couldn't find anything. Once I get the PP expenditures page fully sortable (still missing a month, I'll work on converting that next week too), it should get easier for those of us who are interested to figure out who has what.
And a suggestion for the 'claiming artifacts/Exarchs'... to me, it seems perfectly valid to pick up a discarded artifact... an intelligent exarch... I'm a little more hesitant about that going for free. Either way, even if its free, I think a note of:
0 PP (Claim artifact): Chronoptera Hive
would do a lot, because then it would make it onto the PP expenditures page.
Edit #3 (Sigh): Chapien's gone till sunday... I think he's camping.
See ya
In regards to Exarchs: Exarchs are an RP outlet, the oinly time I feel these are appropriate to be claimed is when they're passed on at a god's death. Or when a god has been inactive for an extended length of time. However I feel a minor guide action is appropriate for exerting your will on an Exarch.
In regards to both: Exachs and Artifacts are both intelligent. They both have agendas. Just because they're taking orders from a new guy doesn't mean that they'll LIKE it. Neithger artifacts nor exarchs should function (or take part in) a battle contrary to their creators basic natur when used by anyone other than their creator. Of course that's open to interperetation, but it's USUALLY simple to determine what the nature of a god entails.
In regards to a ne Admin: I'm all for it. We need more people in charge.
Anyways, I'm back! :D
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EDIT: Corelloth's HERE!
I had created her just seconds before I had to go on Tuesday.
Is anyone interested in knowing more about Corelloth? I'll be happy to supply the information.
Quick comment on Mortal Stories for Tinwe and ff6shadow: is this conversation occuring before the gnolls charged into the fray and began biting into the minotaurs, or did you forget that detail?
I did skip over that detail. Sorry.
If it makes you feel better, it's unlikely that Fang's Rakshasa would ally with anyone who paints blood spatters on themselves.
If it had been someone from Beacon who'd seen the minotaurs when they were in the Shattered Lands...I did skip over that detail. Sorry.
If it makes you feel better, it's unlikely that Fang's Rakshasa would ally with anyone who paints blood spatters on themselves.
Not a problem, I tend to make my posts long, some details are bound to be skimmed over ;) . Shame your rakshasa couldn't be a little more accepting of canabalistic savages though :P
Next, your second create is entirely invalid. Lesser Artifacts affect a limited area. Teleporting anywhere int ehw rodl or planes is not a limited area. By the rules, a 3 PP artifact is needed just to teleport across a continent, since only greater artifacts can cover entire continents. With something like teleportation, I'm more inclined to be lax, but it's is still well above and beyond a 1 PP effect, making your second action invalid.
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Anyway, this is your last turn to enjoy Noth, Topheh. The humites are starting to clear it all out.
Anyways, traveling till sunday. See everyone then!
I love this city.
Ah yes, just what Terena needs: An underground gnomish crime syndicate.
I love this city.
I wish more people would fight in MY creations... It would add some spice.
And Bah. To have one more PP. Shadow's actions have created a lovely setup for the formation of the syndicate
Back to the road (place we stopped for lunch had the internet, so I stopped in).
You did exactly what I was planning to do with those Dragons.
hehe, you missed plenty! You might want to add something to your post dealing with the fact that drevan moved your island halfway across the world.
HOLY- I'm watching my language.
Curse you, skim reading! What page was that on?
Ah, look for one of shadow's posts... 2 pages back? Its when Drevan creates the grey wastes.
Yea, I found it. Damn you, Drevan! I gots a blade to sharpen!
Oh, don't worry... I imagine next turn there will be quite the showdown if you want to use that blade.
Time to test the god of honor's combat skills. Next turn, that is. As in tomorrow.
Oh well. Here goes. More posting to come. And I won't have missed a turn!!What dragons were sent into the gray wastes?
Thank you, ff6shadow.
You did exactly what I was planning to do with those Dragons.
You were? I didn't think Eijra would ever have a hand in creating undead.
Yea, I found it. Damn you, Drevan! I gots a blade to sharpen!
Really? Remember, he moved you. He could have just sunk the island. That was my first plan, but I decided since you weren't around, I'd just move it.
I wish more people would fight in MY creations... It would add some spice.
Because your never around? :P
Really? Remember, he moved you. He could have just sunk the island. That was my first plan, but I decided since you weren't around, I'd just move it.
Ah, but Azor'Chapien doesn't know that.
How much PP does Drevan receive each turn? The same as Veros?
Oh, don't worry... I imagine next turn there will be quite the showdown if you want to use that blade.
:D
Maasive, that was an excellent post, but you still didn't answer Shurka's question :P
Question: What happened to Ritreaude? Haven't we decided to have a second moderator after all? If I remember well most of us was oke with that idea, any volunteer?
Finally what about the play by post? Are we going to start it or we just dropped the idea?
And Humite ships are non-magical, crafted from a special wood, which the free nation does not have.
Neither of those techs apply. Your ships are something new, small, apparently agile, and armed with cannons.
Yes, admin volunteers should PM me.
And in my humble opinion admin volunteers should post on the public forum... so that anyone can see that and eventually approve \ not approve the candidate.
As for that, I already have several volunteers.
PP Refresh
7 - Veros
6 - Xirinet, Tsaroka-Noggoth, The Empress, Vymrl, Shurka, Mara
5 - Hensen Jijou, Eijra, Kiptar, Drahthor, Hammu
4 - Nixis, Jormundrasil, Azor-Chapien, Skreet, Chroma, Torvek, Incarnation's End
Btw about the admin I'll volunteer if no one does.
If you have several wich is good you should post their names to make the thing public and let us express our opinions pls ;)
And yes, they don't trust the strangers, from half-way around the world. Who have half-breeds and mutations. And made a large group fo their elders simple vanish.
Anubis, I knew you were looking to do that. Since the power source for Infernal warlocks is my exarch, I figured I'd give you a hand with it. ;)
Another note: The Orb of Visions can't find Drevan. It is a 1 PP artifact. It cannot overpower the Staff of Ruin's hiding capability to find him, even if it was designed to peirce anti-scrying protections and such, which it's not.
I didn't realize the Staff of Ruin could be used that way. I thought it was just a combat artifact...
5 PP to completely annihlate something I was RPing towards . . .
Anyway after all Shurka created Terena and the Humites and you kept deciding about their politics, no one else influenced the destiny of another god creation that much (well Vyrml will soon enough with the Imperium invasion I think, but that will be different after all, and I predict that it'll be successfull this time since the continent powers are not united against the Imperium).
Btw I think that in OOC we can share with the others any long term plans we might have so we can cooperate to create a better story instead of fighting against each other (expecially if in the long term the plans will make the world more interesting), for example knowing how you want the vampire god thing to progress (or eventually finish) can help us to react with a "positive" attitude so that you can focus on your plan instead of having to negate\fight other gods actions.
There goes 12 turns of RP and PP down the pipes.
I'm usually willing to tell someone who asks what I'm planning.
Btw I think that in OOC we can share with the others any long term plans we might have so we can cooperate to create a better story instead of fighting against each other (expecially if in the long term the plans will make the world more interesting), for example knowing how you want the vampire god thing to progress (or eventually finish) can help us to react with a "positive" attitude so that you can focus on your plan instead of having to negate\fight other gods actions.
Uh, this. If I know what the plan is, I wouldn't have contradicted an action that I thought would put Terena in the hands of giant control.
Edit: Xaedin, how many exarchs do you need?
. This would have been avoided if he knew what you were working towards, but if you did offer to tell him and he didn't really ask then it's fault on both sides..Xaedin, how many exarchs do you need?
As many as I need. :P Both Corelloth and Dolestre play a major role to Torvek's life.
Also, you spelled my name wrong, Mechalibur!
Btw the Free Nations can't help Terenas directly in the war (due to the Bronze Pantheon pact and mutual defense agreement with the giants) and will work with the Imperium in case of a possible defeat of the Bronze Pantheon involved faction (Hensen will force them to do so even if some might not like the idea) so trading and becoming friendly with them will not be a real problem for that your idea.
I will share my plans too, my objective was to eventually offer asylum to Terenan Humite within Bloodmyst (and nominally under Free nation hegemony but due to the peculiar nature of my country pretty much free to do as they want) creating a win - win scenario (the Imperium conquer the land and win the war, but most of the Humites keep their freedom).
Hehe Xeadin wants to create a complex story for his god I guess, with a lot of characters popping from his original world,
By the way Xeading, I think that you can make some non combat giving them a flavor of large magical powers :p. Or you can make some just heroes and fluff (so that you save some points and get more actions :p). Btw Free Nation can worship a god that embodies courage, but maybe not "goodness" since they are ready to do anything to achieve their purposes and Hensens will have nothing against your faith and gifts spreading there.
To Shadow: Nah not really, the Defense coalition is still in place (only they are more open minded and can accept the Free Nation help eventually).
Btw the Free Nations can't help Terenas directly in the war (due to the Bronze Pantheon pact and mutual defense agreement with the giants) and will work with the Imperium in case of a possible defeat of the Bronze Pantheon involved faction (Hensen will force them to do so even if some might not like the idea) so trading and becoming friendly with them will not be a real problem for that your idea.
I will share my plans too, my objective was to eventually offer asylum to Terenan Humite within Bloodmyst (and nominally under Free nation hegemony but due to the peculiar nature of my country pretty much free to do as they want) creating a win - win scenario (the Imperium conquer the land and win the war, but most of the Humites keep their freedom).
Hehe Xeadin wants to create a complex story for his god I guess, with a lot of characters popping from his original world,
By the way Xeading, I think that you can make some non combat giving them a flavor of large magical powers :p. Or you can make some just heroes and fluff (so that you save some points and get more actions :p). Btw Free Nation can worship a god that embodies courage, but maybe not "goodness" since they are ready to do anything to achieve their purposes and Hensens will have nothing against his faith and gifts spreading there.
Make them heroes? How do you do that?
Besides, Corelloth is not a hero- she's a villian! Dolestre is a hero; Hondala is just Torvek's guide; Terascul is Torvek's guardian at his temple.They tolerated other races because some trade was beneficial, but trading with blood traitors was unthinkable. Mechalibur has replaced them with something else entirely.
Heroes are fluff characters, they does not give any benefit to the god that controls them however they can be used for role playing, Corelloth is a villain so it is a good idea to have she as at exarch level imho (and maybe have some exarch power that allow her to reshape the world toward her goals, maybe artifact creation or mold land).
Edit: I think that your last action shall cost some Pp to guide them away (anyway trust me, you can still do a lot with it I see no real reason of abandoning the plan, expecially after you shared it with us :p)
Well, by you making the Defense Coalition in the first place, Terena became something that it wasn't. I wouldn't have gone so far as to make a democracy if I just had trade with the Free Nation to begin with.
Anyway, it is a little late here and even if tomorrow is sunday I guess I should get some rest, I almost finished to stat Living Illusions on the wiki, tomorrow I'll complete it and maybe also stat Beasts of Lies (and motes of Change Swarm)...ahh soo much work to do :p
Good Night ppl ;)
. I used the 2PP to teach all gnolls, not just gnolls of slaughter, but I'm going to make a pure fluff post to describe how the gnolls of the hunt learn the class later on... if I'd have included both in one post, would have probably passed the word limit, I really need to be less wordy :PRegardless, I deleted that post since it seems if I don't, you're just going to make everything difficult for me.
I don't care about Humite Tech discount (already got most of them anyway :p), I care about Terenas destiny, come on mate, it is one of your best creations and is finally free of outside influence, If it can help I'll also grant as much support as you want (none if you prefer that Hensen stays out).
I shared my idea so that you might know it and eventually say no if you prefer me not to do that.
Ironically, when I think back, Terena was best when it was just ruled by an elder. If anything, that's despotism, since only the best invoker got to become the Elder. And it was sorta a Theocracy as well. It's funny how much better Terena was when it was ruled by strength and not politics.
Anyway, I think that you are free to do as you like with them (another reason that I asked around to share long term plans is so that we don't fight too much among each other and let everyone go with their designs in the direction they want).
I've been acting so glum, lately. I'm sure I'll find a way to get Terena in the right direction.
Refresher course on many of these. When ever someone dies, their souls break into pieces, becoming what is known as pyre flies. These souls seek out the Farscape, where they reunite and go into their afterlife. Sometimes, sould get lost, remain in the mortal realm. The stronger of these, particuarly when the whol soul fails to find the Farscape, becomes ghosts (something I have yet to create). Weaker souls simply remain pyre flies, which can be a beautiful phenomena. Theb Farscape hjas this phenomena occuring constantly. However, they are hazardous when they congregate in large numbers on the mortal plane, becoming pyrefly swarms. Swarms that get big enough become the other varieties of pyre creatures presented below.
Whelks
Whelks are considered the most unusual of creatures, highly sought after for experiments into their ability to absorb energy, and processing it into another variety. Unfortunately for those who seek to study them, whelks are amazingly strong, and dislike being captive. Additionally, while their shells are dense and hard, they do on occasions abandon the shell, using their slick and flexible body to escape. Whelks look like giant snails
The most notable aspect of a whelk is its energy absorbing property. When struck by certain types of attacks, lightning being the most well known, the creature actually absorbs the attack, using the energy to heal itself as well as recharge it's own energy producing organs.
Whelks are considered the most unusual of creatures, highly sought after for experiments into their ability to absorb energy, and processing it into another variety. Unfortunately for those who seek to study them, whelks are amazingly strong, and dislike being captive. Additionally, while their shells are dense and hard, they do on occasions abandon the shell, using their slick and flexible body to escape. Whelks look like giant snails
The most notable aspect of a whelk is its energy absorbing property. When struck by certain types of attacks, lightning being the most well known, the creature actually absorbs the attack, using the energy to heal itself as well as recharge it's own energy producing organs.
Btw how do you do that kind of formatting (I know I could have just quoted it but I'm laaazyyyy).
I guess that it is time to go to sleep for real this time hehe. Good Night ;)
It does give a bit on insight into the critters that Veros has been spawning. . . and I think my minotaur is better designed than wizards, even if my racial is a bit weak. At least the features can be used by anybody, not just weapon wielders.
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It would be appreciated. I've been doing it in bits and pieces, and only now getting around to formatting it for the boards.
It does give a bit on insight into the critters that Veros has been spawning. . . and I think my minotaur is better designed than wizards, even if my racial is a bit weak. At least the features can be used by anybody, not just weapon wielders.
That's why they changed their stats in an article. They're trying to avoid oversized.
Formatting like that is simple. The formatting was created for Magic the Gathering, actually.
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Anybody else want a good reason to teach warlocks?
*ducks from Mechalibur's thrown shoe*
Okay, okay... Alexandria it is. I'll let Xirinet have some fun.
Finally back from my trip. I'll work on getting the story and PP page up to date again tomorrow. And Xeadin... you still looking for me?
And I'm quite certain my measly demiplane is not the most prominent plane on the river, but thats minor
Edit: Update complete. Xeadin and others who are having trouble with the rules pages on the wiki... what can I work on fleshing out?
Btw welcome back Chapien, I'll start a mortal story about the Free Nations expedition to Azora soon (I have guided them there some time ago but I preferred not to post anything before you got back here).
Cool, cool. I hate time difference. Thank god I'm moving back to California Wednesday.:D
I have been working on stating this worlds Warforged, which are different from the normal warforged, in case anyone has noticed that. Languished a while, but I will get back to that.
Not much, mostly skirmishes between Drevan and everyone else.
So many pretty Ideas down the drain.
perks up
So how much PP would it be to change them to what I was stating them to?
here are the first 3 Living Illusions
Heh, I suggest teaching the third one :D
I guess I already taught the humites music, so they might as well become bards.
*grumble*
Nobody cares about badgers.
They'll know rogue by the end of the turn, if you're interested.
Just chiming in on the absurdity of having ONLY domesticated badgers. GrimPoet had some funny ideas.Going back to Devran storyline I think that some of us should look around for Veros (but Hensen does not know him enough to do that), so maybe he can help us with dealing with the vampire god :P
Totally unrelated question do we have any nation that use money? Or every trade is done trough barter at the moment?
And in my humble opinion that action does not really erase the Defense Coalition, it just give them a more open mind (wich after all is a good thing even for ffshadow plan).
(And yes, please, if we RP it out in Mortal Stories everybody needs to think they're crazy. You were visited by the apparition of a 7 tailed humanoid rat playing the lute. riiiiiiiight....)
Shadow is there something that would hinder my god from finding Drevan? An artifact or something? Otherwise I would like to set up a scene where our gods have a quiet talk.
Ahem!
http://lordsofcreation.wikia.com/wiki/PPtable
The Karak-Rik Guild/Meribia setup is pretty much done. I did this with the specific intention of creating a dynamic environment for players and DMs in an actual game (even though I could have gone further). I have purposefully set it up so that no side is really winning against the other, and the Karak-Rik is all shades of gray, with lots of intrigue and subterfuge and twisting machinations. For DMs, Dorbal is meant to be a character on the edge of paranoia delusions, someone who could easily be a good guy, or turn into a BBEG. I may return to him, but I think it is better for the environment to let him go, even if I'd like to run with him further. Anyways, I'd respectfually ask that this environment be left without major changes.
Now, that means I can turn to something new and right now I have no ideas. So if anyone would like joint project with Mara, I'm game.
I've gone over the rules and have an idea for a god, so if I can start then I'll post it Here.
Name:Honissia
Domain:Assassination, Planning
Alignment: Unaligned
Physical Appearance:Honissia appears most commonly as a Humite garbed in Black robes with overlaping leather armor. His choosen weapon is a punching dagger that is concealed just beyond the end of his sleeves.
Symbol:A hawk swooping down onto its pray, which seems to be a heart.
IncarnationsEnd, I will post the start of the elf-warforged meeting in MC in a minute.
I'm interested in joining, I'm going over the rules and reading the history even as I type this.
I've gone over the rules and have an idea for a god, so if I can start then I'll post it Here.
Name:Honissia
Domain:Assassination (moderate I think)
Alignment: Unaligned
Physical Appearance:Honissia appears most commonly as a Humite garbed in Black robes with overlaping leather armor. His choosen weapon is a punching dagger that is concealed just beyond the end of his sleeves.
Symbol:A hawk swooping down onto its pray, which seems to be a heart.
Hmm, assassination could be a lesser domain, but I'm not sure. Whatever it is, you get a total of 3PP worth of domains, so you can another domain.
Here it is incase anyone can't access the wiki. I'm not sure if it's too weak, or too powerful, so any comments would be appreciated.
Golden One
Passive Abilities
Recovery Action (11th level) - When a Golden One spends an action point to take another action, he and all other allies within 5 squares recover hit points equal to the Golden One's wisdom score.
Uncanny Vitality (11th level) - Whenever a Golden One succeeds on a saving throw, all of his defenses increase by 2 until the end of his next turn, and he gets a +2 bonus on all further saves until the end of the encounter.
Piercing Light (16th level) - Invoker spells with the Radiant keyword have a critical range from 19 to 20 for Golden Ones
Powers
11th level Encounter Power: Healer's Flame
You send a bolt of golden flame forward to burn you opponent. He screams in pain from the intense heat, while your allies near the flame feel invigorated and inspired.
Encounter * Divine, Fire, Healing, Implement
Standard Action Ranged 10
Primary Target: One creature within range
Attack: Wisdom vs. Reflex
Hit: 2d10 + Wisdom modifier Fire damage and ongoing 5 fire damage (save ends).
Effect: All allies within 2 spaces of the target gain a +2 bonus to attack rolls and a +2 bonus to all defenses until the end of your next turn.
12th level Utility Power: Magnificent Glow
The glow that normally surrounds you shines more brilliant than usual. You and your allies are unnaffected by the bright light, but your enemies have to cover their eyes from its radiance.
Daily * Divine
Minor Action Close Burst 3
Effect: All enemies who enter the burst take a -2 penalty to attack rolls, and a -1 penalty to AC and Reflex saves until the end of the encounter.
20th level Daily Power: Aspect of Shurka
You summon a likeness of the Lord Shurka who appears from the ground behind you. In one hand, the aspect has a large staff while in the other there is an orb of coalescing light.
Daily * Divine, Implement, Radiant, Summoning
Minor Action Ranged 10
Effect: You summon an Medium aspect of Shurka in an unoccupied space within range. The aspect has a fly (hover) speed of 10. The aspect has a +4 bonus to AC and will and a +2 bonus to fortitude and reflex. Any ally that is within one space of the aspect (including the aspect itself) at the start of your turn recovers HP equal to your wisdom modifier. You can give the aspect the following commands.
Minor Action: Ranged 10; targets two creatures; Wisdome vs. Reflex; 1d8 + Wisdom modifier radiant damage.
Opportunity Attack: Melee 1; targets one creature; 1d8 + Wisdom modifier radiant damage and the target takes ongoing 5 radiant damage (save ends).
Recovery Action (11th level) - When a Golden One spends an action point to take another action, he and all other allies within 5 squares recover hit points equal to the Golden One's wisdom score.
Uncanny Vitality (11th level) - Whenever a Golden One succeeds on a saving throw, all of his defenses increase by 2 until the end of his next turn, and he gets a +2 bonus on all further saves until the end of the encounter.
Piercing Light (16th level) - Invoker spells with the Radiant keyword have a critical range from 19 to 20 for Golden Ones
Powers
11th level Encounter Power: Healer's Flame
You send a bolt of golden flame forward to burn you opponent. He screams in pain from the intense heat, while your allies near the flame feel invigorated and inspired.
Encounter * Divine, Fire, Healing, Implement
Standard Action Ranged 10
Primary Target: One creature within range
Attack: Wisdom vs. Reflex
Hit: 2d10 + Wisdom modifier Fire damage and ongoing 5 fire damage (save ends).
Effect: All allies within 2 spaces of the target gain a +2 bonus to attack rolls and a +2 bonus to all defenses until the end of your next turn.
12th level Utility Power: Magnificent Glow
The glow that normally surrounds you shines more brilliant than usual. You and your allies are unnaffected by the bright light, but your enemies have to cover their eyes from its radiance.
Daily * Divine
Minor Action Close Burst 3
Effect: All enemies who enter the burst take a -2 penalty to attack rolls, and a -1 penalty to AC and Reflex saves until the end of the encounter.
20th level Daily Power: Aspect of Shurka
You summon a likeness of the Lord Shurka who appears from the ground behind you. In one hand, the aspect has a large staff while in the other there is an orb of coalescing light.
Daily * Divine, Implement, Radiant, Summoning
Minor Action Ranged 10
Effect: You summon an Medium aspect of Shurka in an unoccupied space within range. The aspect has a fly (hover) speed of 10. The aspect has a +4 bonus to AC and will and a +2 bonus to fortitude and reflex. Any ally that is within one space of the aspect (including the aspect itself) at the start of your turn recovers HP equal to your wisdom modifier. You can give the aspect the following commands.
Minor Action: Ranged 10; targets two creatures; Wisdome vs. Reflex; 1d8 + Wisdom modifier radiant damage.
Opportunity Attack: Melee 1; targets one creature; 1d8 + Wisdom modifier radiant damage and the target takes ongoing 5 radiant damage (save ends).
Finally finished the Golden One paragon path. I can't believe how long it took me just to finish the powers.
Here it is incase anyone can't access the wiki. I'm not sure if it's too weak, or too powerful, so any comments would be appreciated.
Here goes:
Recovery Action
Looks fine
Uncanny Vitality
The bonuses should be typed
Piercing Light
Looks fine
Powers
11th level Encounter Power: Healer's Flame
Looks fine
12th level Utility Power: Magnificent Glow
Effect: All enemies who enter the burst take a -2 penalty to attack rolls, and a -1 penalty to AC and Reflex saves until the end of the encounter.
No "save ends"? Does the effect end if they move out of the burst? 4e has no "reflex save"- perhaps you meant reflex defense?
20th level Daily Power: Aspect of Shurka
I like it! Invokers need another angel. :P
I also like the angelic Divine Bolts.
Recovery Action
Looks fine
Uncanny Vitality
The bonuses should be typed
Piercing Light
Looks fine
Powers
11th level Encounter Power: Healer's Flame
Looks fine
12th level Utility Power: Magnificent Glow
Effect: All enemies who enter the burst take a -2 penalty to attack rolls, and a -1 penalty to AC and Reflex saves until the end of the encounter.
No "save ends"? Does the effect end if they move out of the burst? 4e has no "reflex save"- perhaps you meant reflex defense?
20th level Daily Power: Aspect of Shurka
I like it! Invokers need another angel. :P
I also like the angelic Divine Bolts.
Two things I noticed:
Uncanny vitality seems perhaps a little over-powered. Maybe +2 to all defenses till the end of the next turn and +2 to saving throws till the end of the encounter?
And Magnificent Glow... how long is that thing going to last? Till end of your next turn, till end of encounter... (i.e., do you envision this as a zone traveling around with you?)
Beyond that, it looks great (and now I feel inspired to make a paragon path of my own.)
You're right about making Uncanny Vitality typed. Otherwise the save bonuses would keep stacking until you have a huge bonus on them
My wife is playing an invoker and we just got to paragon and she hasn't liked her options so far. You might get your first play-test this weekend, Mechalibur.
Edit: Err... I can't read, it would seem. You already had Uncanny Vitality as end of next turn/rest of encounter and I must have just skimmed over the end of next turn part. Silly me.
On the subject of money: Humans, and Alexandrians in general, are likely to trade in raw goods such as silver and jewels. When you live in a country that has nearly immortal servants everywhere you get some leeway in the barter system.
On the subject of Admins: I'm openly game for halping out.
On the subject of everything else: WOOT for people doing interesting stuff!
Hmm... I wonder how the angels respond to Noth...
I think technically they can't take it. They don't eat or breathe so I'm not sue if they can ingest it.
I'm not sure what mechanically represents it... I don;t have my MM nearby.
To Chapien: Do we want to keep going on with the mortal stories?
Ya, I just posted a new reply. Sorry, I haven't had a computer with Internet so I couldn't post
Good point. Somehow I dont think we've got the tech for injectable drugs yet :P
Now devils... they have mouths.
How am I going to be brought in?
You could always just, you know, give an angel a mouth just to see what happens. OR make the drug into a powder so that they breath it in.(Do angels breath in 4e? for that matter did they in 3.0/3.5? I think yes, but I haven't actually paid attention to the bodily functions of the angels or demons I've come accross.)
Although I'm starting to get curious as to what it actually does to the halfings when they ingest it.
I have no clue if Angels can breath...
I think that Angels are made out of pure energy of a particular element...In 3.5, the angels looked more Humanlike, but they completely changed that in 4e- they made them the exarches for the gods. I know for a fact that Devils have mouths, but Angels- they're very strange...
Hold it- Does Kyton and Gelgulon have a mouth?
[EDIT:] Topheh- I like your character's reaction to Torvek and Dolestre in the Library!
Dolestre is Torvek's sister and another one of the survivors of the Apocalypse.
Thus they need to be afflicted by an injectable version, however I'd probably rule it as a Poison (a foreign substance with negative effects is usually a poison) and I think Angels as a whole are usually given poison immunity.
It WOULD make sense that angels wouldn't be able to take drugs... they're kind of the phisical incarnation of purity, after all.
Angels are cutthroat mercenary immortals that will sell their services to the highest bidder. Not that anyone ever wants to use them, since tehy have their OWN people to work for them.
4e is a wonderful edition.
Edit: What kind of drug Is noth? Humans have a fondness for Flicker due to the ample supplies of its raw constituent in their homeland. In general Alexandrians favor +Wis and so tend to be fairly well protected from Will-based drugs. Actually that delicious human defense bonus makes them particularly resilient compared to other races. Not that noth would be ineffective. In a nation where your average citizen is a well trained soldier recreational drugs are fairly common.
So powder it, and throw it in their face. It would be an attack, and they wouldn't be immune. That is how we get an angel on Noth.
Tinwe, I didn't see any new PMs. Did I miss one?
Mechablibur, I think that +2 to saves from Uncanny Vitality should be a typed bonus, so you can't endlessly stack them.
Any reason Piercing Light only works for Invoker powers?
Magnificent Glow should probably only apply while they are in the burst, or apply a save ends consition.
Graxith, I'm going to shoot you a PM here shortly about something.
And Flicker? You already have a drug of choice? Hmm... I must look this up.
(As Noth is Ritreaude's drug originally, I'll let him make the final determination as to the type of drug it really is)
Edit: Shadow... I think you might have just created the Circle's new most favoritest way to gain new customers... assault with an addictive substance.
Ya, I just posted a new reply. Sorry, I haven't had a computer with Internet so I couldn't post
Hehe no problem :p I was out too after your post so you got a late reply... :p
Good one, Topheh...Generally illusory magic is seeped into the Shattered Lands pretty deep (aided perhaps by the everpresent fog). Flickerfish produce an illusory enzyme which can cause hallucinations, and when rendered into Flicker it is highly addictive. shadow has the stats for it somewhere I think. Thus humans either consume Flickerfish (whether as a food or as an intoxicant, bones are a favored reagent though when they just want the magic) or consume flicker (which is produced by Doppels I think).
Their will defense makes short term addiction rare, but they are ALL effectively addicted to the effects in Alexandria (the nation). Basically humans are what happens when you mix mad scientist, violent soldier, and hippy together. And I don;t get enough of a chance to show it off.
Mechablibur, I think that +2 to saves from Uncanny Vitality should be a typed bonus, so you can't endlessly stack them.
Any reason Piercing Light only works for Invoker powers?
Magnificent Glow should probably only apply while they are in the burst, or apply a save ends consition.
1. Already fixed that
2. Erm, no, I forgot about multiclass - will fix.
3. I'll fix my wording
Golden One (With Changes)
DescriptionShurka never reveals himself to mortals, but decides to speak with a few of his most devout followers in their dreams. After hearing his voice, a Golden One gains a golden aura that surrounds them. They attempt to spread worship of Shurka, as well as follow his goals. Many Golden Ones attempt to find Revnador, the plane of Shurka. None so far have succeeded.
Passive Abilities
Recovery Action (11th level) - When a Golden One spends an action point to take another action, he and all other allies within 5 squares recover hit points equal to the Golden One's wisdom score.
Uncanny Vitality (11th level) - Whenever a Golden One succeeds on a saving throw, he receives a +2 power bonus to all defenses until the end of his next turn, and he gets a +2 power bonus on all further saves until the end of the encounter.
Piercing Light (16th level) - Attack powers with the Radiant keyword have a critical range from 19 to 20 for Golden Ones.
Powers
11th level Encounter Power: Healer's Flame
You send a bolt of golden flame forward to burn you opponent. He screams in pain from the intense heat, while your allies near the flame feel invigorated and inspired.
Encounter * Divine, Fire, Healing, Implement
Standard Action Ranged 10
Primary Target: One creature within range
Attack: Wisdom vs. Reflex
Hit: 2d10 + Wisdom modifier Fire damage and ongoing 5 fire damage (save ends).
Effect: All allies within 2 spaces of the target gain a +2 bonus to attack rolls and a +2 bonus to all defenses until the end of your next turn.
12th level Utility Power: Magnificent Glow
The glow that normally surrounds you shines more brilliant than usual. You and your allies are unnaffected by the bright light, but your enemies have to cover their eyes from its radiance.
Daily * Divine
Minor Action Close Burst 3
Effect: All enemies who enter the burst take a -2 penalty to attack rolls, and a -1 penalty to AC and Reflex defense until the end of the encounter while in the burst.
20th level Daily Power: Aspect of Shurka
You summon a likeness of the Lord Shurka who appears from the ground behind you. In one hand, the aspect has a large staff while in the other there is an orb of coalescing light.
Daily * Divine, Implement, Radiant, Summoning
Minor Action Ranged 10
Effect: You summon an Medium aspect of Shurka in an unoccupied space within range. The aspect has a fly (hover) speed of 10. The aspect has a +4 bonus to AC and will and a +2 bonus to fortitude and reflex. Any ally that is within one space of the aspect (including the aspect itself) at the start of your turn recovers HP equal to your wisdom modifier. You can give the aspect the following commands.
Minor Action: Ranged 10; targets two creatures; Wisdome vs. Reflex; 1d8 + Wisdom modifier radiant damage.
Opportunity Attack: Melee 1; targets one creature; 1d8 + Wisdom modifier radiant damage and the target takes ongoing 5 radiant damage (save ends).
DescriptionShurka never reveals himself to mortals, but decides to speak with a few of his most devout followers in their dreams. After hearing his voice, a Golden One gains a golden aura that surrounds them. They attempt to spread worship of Shurka, as well as follow his goals. Many Golden Ones attempt to find Revnador, the plane of Shurka. None so far have succeeded.
Passive Abilities
Recovery Action (11th level) - When a Golden One spends an action point to take another action, he and all other allies within 5 squares recover hit points equal to the Golden One's wisdom score.
Uncanny Vitality (11th level) - Whenever a Golden One succeeds on a saving throw, he receives a +2 power bonus to all defenses until the end of his next turn, and he gets a +2 power bonus on all further saves until the end of the encounter.
Piercing Light (16th level) - Attack powers with the Radiant keyword have a critical range from 19 to 20 for Golden Ones.
Powers
11th level Encounter Power: Healer's Flame
You send a bolt of golden flame forward to burn you opponent. He screams in pain from the intense heat, while your allies near the flame feel invigorated and inspired.
Encounter * Divine, Fire, Healing, Implement
Standard Action Ranged 10
Primary Target: One creature within range
Attack: Wisdom vs. Reflex
Hit: 2d10 + Wisdom modifier Fire damage and ongoing 5 fire damage (save ends).
Effect: All allies within 2 spaces of the target gain a +2 bonus to attack rolls and a +2 bonus to all defenses until the end of your next turn.
12th level Utility Power: Magnificent Glow
The glow that normally surrounds you shines more brilliant than usual. You and your allies are unnaffected by the bright light, but your enemies have to cover their eyes from its radiance.
Daily * Divine
Minor Action Close Burst 3
Effect: All enemies who enter the burst take a -2 penalty to attack rolls, and a -1 penalty to AC and Reflex defense until the end of the encounter while in the burst.
20th level Daily Power: Aspect of Shurka
You summon a likeness of the Lord Shurka who appears from the ground behind you. In one hand, the aspect has a large staff while in the other there is an orb of coalescing light.
Daily * Divine, Implement, Radiant, Summoning
Minor Action Ranged 10
Effect: You summon an Medium aspect of Shurka in an unoccupied space within range. The aspect has a fly (hover) speed of 10. The aspect has a +4 bonus to AC and will and a +2 bonus to fortitude and reflex. Any ally that is within one space of the aspect (including the aspect itself) at the start of your turn recovers HP equal to your wisdom modifier. You can give the aspect the following commands.
Minor Action: Ranged 10; targets two creatures; Wisdome vs. Reflex; 1d8 + Wisdom modifier radiant damage.
Opportunity Attack: Melee 1; targets one creature; 1d8 + Wisdom modifier radiant damage and the target takes ongoing 5 radiant damage (save ends).
As for Flicker, yes, a doppel produced drug derived from fish native to the Shattered Lands. Had a big mortal story leading up to it's creation, involving a mad doppel wizard. Should be noted that it far more potent than simply eating the fish.
Maybe the gnomes just think the humans are susceptible? Just wait until the humans start experimenting...
*evil laughter*
Aradeia: You realize putting an exarch of fear in the land most RESISTANT (or rather inured) to fear may not be the most tactically effective way to feed it?
Aldii: You wanna double-check the star-sign in the wiki for your goddess?
Anything I'm missing?
Oh this might go downhill... but right now they're getting the royal treatment as humans figure things out.
Now to decide on a derivative...
I'm fairly interested in where I go from here too!
1 PP - Mold Land (Lesser) - The bloodstone vegetation, bloodstones, andthe glass temple in the desert are destroyed by determined eladrin and shadar-kai warriors from Sivera
Well if a mold land is enough to destroy more than one mold + guides and nourishes I guess I'll just sink the main continent and destroy all life on it... and it'll be only 3 points hehe...
Beside we still know nothing about new moderators (I'll ask at least once every reset just in case we forget about that) and as I told before it should be chosen by the community combined... so gief names pls :p
PP Refresh
7 - Veros
6 - Xirinet, Tsaroka-Noggoth, The Empress, Vymrl, Shurka, Mara
5 - Hensen Jijou, Kiptar, Eijra, Drahthor, Hammu
4 - Nixis, Jormundrasil, Azor-Chapien, Skreet, Chroma, Incarnation's End, Torvek
Admin Award
I'm granting Massive Attack an admin award this turn, for setting up a situation with no resolution, which makes for a very interesting area to game in. So, 1 extra PP for Mara this turn.
The mold was to remove the bloodstones. And only the bloodstones in the desert itself, not the ones in the Underdark.
The temple was neither guided into creation nor molded. It was fluff. I included it, as it would be removed as well.
The rest of what I think about this last action I'll PM to you.
Time to go for me, See you tomorrow.
Topheh's been a huge help since he got in on this, I mean he took up the PP expenditures page. How cool is that.
If anyone deserves admin-ship it's him.
Opinions on lengthening or shortening turns?
The time frames are used to make the inclusion of new landmasses and gods much easier. Working in chunks of time that are roughly equivalent to 2 average lifetimes it makes it much easier to ignore particular mortals and focus on followers as a whole.
Reducing time-frames to Century jumps would change exactly how much? Besides giving a few extra turns of possible named-ness to longer-lived races it wouldn't accomplish much.
Though the pro is that it would make wars considerably "shorter". But I like the feel of wars going on for centuries (or millenia) at a time. It means Adventurers ALWAYS have something to do.
I don't really see what makes century-turns any better than the current structure. And if it ain't broke... Well normally I just break it...
One thing though. Would you mind cleaning up the punctuation and grammar a little? It's a bit difficult to read.
And Massive/Mechalibur? Whatever that is you're making... I'm looking forward to it. Good suspense *nods*
This is possibly the last turn that Shurka will be alive. I have one PP left, and I think I know what I'm spending it on.
Hmm... Mechalibur, did my gnomes go with you too, or is this a 'humite-only-club' sort of thing? (fine either way)
Every gnome in Terena without a death wish escaped. They are not required to fight with the humites or anything.
EDIT: I've got a good idea for a new god. I think it's time a god dies for reasons other than real life issues.
I'll give you a hint about what my plans are for this turn:
This is possibly the last turn that Shurka will be alive. I have one PP left, and I think I know what I'm spending it on.
Well I will assume your part of the artifact will go to your successor automatically, unless you'd rather have it go to someone else (you can PM me if so).
And Topheh: Every PP helps :D
It's not that I want to restart. But I think that some of the gods should die eventually.Of course there's the chance Shurka won't die. Shurka probably will though.
As for the humites' location...
They're in the Feywyld. Gnomes and humites can already use the portals, but any other races need to spend 2 PP to use them. Also the portals are kind of small. Humorously enough, giants don't fit (an advantage to being small). Of course, appropriate actions can be taken to change that.
Could rapidly devolve into an all out war, with hurt feelings on both sides. . . .
Sounds awesome.
I wonder if I should post Shurka's plan today. I probably should before Angel posts again.
THe one's I've rescued are free to leave at any time... speak to them in their dreams or something and take some of them back down to the planet to train. I'd be grumpy if you tried to train assassins on my safe haven, though :P
Eventually maybe. It'd be rude to take them without asking though. Also in character Honassia would like to know a little bit more about what he can and can't do. He may feel like he could do anything but he doesn't want to test another God at the moment. He's also still playing. It's taking him a little while to get used to it. I suppose I could just let him wait it out until he could get more power but meddeling is much more fun.
P.S. not even if they were holy assassins? ;)
Hmm... thats a level 29 power if I ever heard of one. Killed by Kindness. Something only the best assassins to ever walk to earth could ever do.
And Massive, this PP-guzzling artifact-of-doom had better not be a doomsday device, or Nixis will have... words.
Ugh. That was sorta a pun... I... ugh.
Everybody want a reset button nobody wants to hit it though.
I take off at 3PM and arrive at 3PM.... strange time differences...
Very true. Once gods get into it though, Vymrl might come to the defense of his creations, which could have the entire Bronze Pantheon getting into it.
Could rapidly devolve into an all out war, with hurt feelings on both sides. . . .
Sounds awesome.
Hensen foreseen the possibility of a gods war when he worked to create the Bronze Pantheon and apparently his prophecy might actually come true.
To Mecha: I have sent you by pm a few considerations ;)
...and btw I'd love to partecipate in divine ascension if you want (asking nothing in exchange for that)
I was also thinking, what happens if some of us lend enough divine power to Veros to re-ascend him (I might contribute with that or even pay 100% of it, and again for free)?
(Is that allowed as a lesser guide populace action, by the way? I thought, considering how it wasn't a large action and affected a very small, if widely spread population, it'd be lesser....)
I think that most of them went to the divine blockade
I was also thinking, what happens if some of us lend enough divine power to Veros to re-ascend him (I might contribute with that or even pay 100% of it, and again for free)?
We'd need a new player, as he would be a new god with new domains and we're not permitted to have two gods.
I'm up for reducing the number of years betweem each turn too (250 years needed to start diplomatic relations or to fight a war maybe are a little too much) this way we can also have a more "detailed" calendar :p
I guess that 100 might be ok to begin with (but still a little too much if we focus more on inter racial development and politics).
What have we decided to do with the play-by post? Dropping the idea after all?
As for the play-by-post, everybody just stopped mentioning it. I have no idea.
About the Play By Post maybe if someone begin thinking about an adventure (/poke shadow) we can start doing something I remember that there were a lot of entusiast folks around here, including me
.AnubisDread, teaching leatherworking is a 2 PP guide. And arrows would likely fall under woodworking and/or carpentry, another 2 PP guide.
:headexplo Quite poking me! ;)
hehe :P
To Angel, Hensen will fight with Vymrl should he feel that the god of war can loose the battle, but for now I'll save energies (in case we manage to free Veros this reset).
I thought that I was blocked off there for a few minutes, because I couldn't view the Forums Index from the main screen for a while.
I solved it by clicking the Refresh Button. :D See, Refresh Buttons aren't so bad when you use them at the right moment.
This would come with a big drawback though in that we'd all [everybody active that is. If a god is sleeping I'm not going to wake them up.] have to agree on when to do it. That means a lot more communication OOC about what we're planing in general. [not really exactly what we plan to do but what it will effect the most.] As a plus though it will make the events seem flow in a time span that makes at least a little more sense.
Ohhh...Now...I wonder exactly what it would take to great a total war scenario...[Our races can act on their own right? Say a leader was killed and they find evidence that it was a certain race/empire after the killing so they decide it's time to create my bone sla....dead bodies and capture cities.]
As best I can tell, the nations of Asilia and Patren were born on turn 25. (about 4,000 years ago.)
Patren began making warforged onj turn 29. (3,000 years ago) Two hundred and fifty years later, they had their first encounter with another race, the independant warforged. There were several raids, before contact was broken, and the two have never spoken again since.
Asilia attack Patren on turn 30 (2,750 years ago). The attack was an unprovoked attempt to steal the secrets of warforged, as well as the deserts that the Patren had forcibly made fertile with magic.
For two-hundred and fifty years, the war was essentially a number of raids and skirmishes each year, with only one or two dedicated campaigns. These almost always turned into stale-mates, but both sides grew in power.
Afterwards, the organized forces of Patren continually pushed back the Asilians, slaughtering them whole sale, claiming land like their was no end.
Seven hundred and fifty years into the war, with the Asilians on the brink of defeat, Gorion, lord of the Nine, whispers secret knowledge to the Asilians, and the first infernal warlocks were born. Backed by warlocks, and some devil soldiers, the battle lines stabilized.
As Asilis pushed the Patren back, the minotuars and elves of Taldar, both on opposite sides of the continent formed into their own respective nations (Menosa and Sylvena) out or worry for the two sides growing power.
By turn 37 (I think) the loremasters infiltrated and stole the Tome of Knowledge from the Patren, weakening them. Furhter, as the Patren tried to recover it, they angered Menos (minotaurs), placing themselves in the position of fighting a two-front war.
By turn 39 (500 years ago), the Asilians, cautious against their ancient enemy, had finally driven the Patren back the the core of their homeland. Only their unnecessary caution kept them from achieving victory in that age.
At the end of turn 40 (250 years ago), the Asilians launched their final battle, laying waste to Patren. In a last desperate effort, the archmages of Patren unleashed a horrible spell from deep within the Arcane Wellspring that warped and twisted the Asilians, turning them into tieflings. As a backlash, the wellspring killed every living creature in the capital city, Patren, Asilian, and Devil alike.
So the world has had a millenia long war. Just under 3 millenia, to be exact. ;)
hmm...when gods get into it there's really no stopping what's going to happen. Either one side wins or they're forced into an uneasy peace that last only until one side figures out that the other one has a single copper piece about the size of a hair and then it start again. The cycle repeats until one race is destroyed. And from the looks of it thoose secrets they were looking for aren't gained all the time.
Back to the question though. Can races act on their own without the will of the gods to guide them? [I know that what happens would be what the controllers of the race wanted them to do but all this spending PP on guiding them into wars doesn't seem entirely needed. If one side attacks the other should respond without guidance right?]
Yeah, we've had necromancers in the past... so the magic definitely exists.
AnubisDread, teaching leatherworking is a 2 PP guide. And arrows would likely fall under woodworking and/or carpentry, another 2 PP guide.
*sigh* Thought 1 PP seemed to easy, really should have checked to see how much it'd be first
. Still, seems that 2PP to teach the gnolls only one extremely specific art of woodworking/carpentry is a little odd when you could spend the same PP to teach a race everything from bows, to tables, to works or art etc..People have paid for carpentry as well as shipbuilding.
Okay, on another topic I'm starting a campaign, since I've seen what you guys can do and like what has happened so far [for the most part] I'd like your input.
I'm planning a campaign that takes place on a world that so far as the players know is only populated by [Goblin or Orc] and [Kobolds or Troglodytes.]
I'm not going to railroad the player into doing anything but their goal is to take their place in the society they want. [If the people are split on who they actually want to play as then there will be 'heroes' on both sides leaving room for PvP Combat in the future.] If they have a certain class then I might direct them a little toward a goal I think should be the minimum for their class.
This is all going on in a general war against the other race. All of the tribes [gobos or orcs] are only tied together by their hatred for the reptilian [kobolds or trogs] and are constantly plagued by skirmishes with each other.
The Kobolds/trogs are not really into the war as much the gobos/orcs so even though they are more united they still can't win the war.
The goal for both is to set up a leadership and develop the communities to the point that one race alone resides on the island. The players will work their way through the ranks [doing various tasks and performing attacks/raid all along the way] in order to gain rank and respect.
I'll have more after that if the PCs want to continue but for now that's how It's going to be. I would like it to be 4th edition but if I have to [which it's looking like based on the monster manual] then it'll be 3.5
Any input or ideas? Or maybe just a slap in the face because it's a bad idea?
1. PvP is ALWAYS a bad idea. Don't let some PC's go on one side and the others the other, just make everyone go over onto the same side depending on what the majority want.
2. Why Orcs/gobs and kobolds/trogs? I don't have anything against them, but they lack racial feats, proper stats, and in the case of trogs even a write up. Personally I'd make it something like elves/eladrin and dwarves/humans or something, but that's just me... actually, I'd make it more like elves/eladrin/gnomes/shifters/- basically getting every PC race into there somehow so players aren't shoe-horned into any particular race. But that's just me ;)
Aside from that, looks fun
Since nobody else really wants to take it up, Id give the PbP a shot, but I must warn you, I've never DMed a PbP before. Heck, I've only played in one or two.
Who is interested, and what are your preferences?
I'm interested in PbP. As a player (I have a lot of details with this world mixed up, so I probably shouldn't DM). We pretty much have to use 4e since that's the system our world uses.
As for a PbP, I'm still interested, though I don't really have a preference, at leas a non-biased one ;)
I didn't realize Aldii was completely out of PP . . . probably a good thing for the devils.
As for preferences, I meant things like location, time, campaign type, and so on . . . . .
On another note, should I move this to another thread now, or is everybody fine with it being discussed here for now?
As for the races they're some of the races that have been generically put in as enemies. there are others I could choose but thoose were the easiest I saw to pair up. I was thinking about Gnolls but I couldn't find anything to pair them with. Also I want it to be a semi primative setting. Low magic too so I've been picking races that don't have very many spellcasters.
Looking on it now I could make it humans vs. somebody, maybe elves..or eladrin. But I'm going to do that only if I can't find something that looks primal also.
This for now is just cleaning up the idea shadow, I'm about to post it up. I'd be interested in either DMing or Playing depending on who wants to do what.
I prefer allowing players to do what they want to do. I'm making it only two races for two reasons. Becuase it cuts down the time before we can actually start the campaig, and it's just an island, there's a whole other part of the world that will come later when I'm back in the game. After the island I'll either let the players change characters or keep their old ones if they want to move on.
Also Shadow, what do you mean by prefferences. And I'm going to try to draw people in over the next week. Sorry to give you guys a deadline if you wanted to add your own little touch to the campaign [I have all sorts of tribes/regions with people to name and characterize and would allow any of you to put your little touch on one of them.]. This way I still have some summer left to get through all the rough parts of the campaign.
Right, and 4th edition is my system of preference right now anyways.
I didn't realize Aldii was completely out of PP . . . probably a good thing for the devils.
It's her plane though, she can just bottle the invasion or stymie it without even having to spend anything.
Hm, I didn't expect all of the Tribunal players to be away or what not. Anyways, I guess it's time to make the donuts, i mean artifact which will take Mara out for the turn...
do we have a map?
*tries to think of a creative way to use his exarch's PP... but fails.*
The boards have a censor, so anything outside of the ToS will end up sensored anyway. As for as the game is concerned, as long as you stay within the ToS, there is no problem with it.
Options are
Succubi
Imp
Legion Devil
War Devil
Pit Fiend (least numerous and poison resistant)
And thanks to Wyld for giving me the idea with his poor faceless angels.
And hmph to a type of devil. (goes to change that): Legion devils it is.
Quick question, though... for what sort of war-ish related actions is a guide needed? Because I've seen things needing a guide sometimes and othertimes not.
Just to let you know, Torvek is a Brass Dragon with a disclike weapon on his right arm in his holder. He is fighting an evil dragon goddess named Corelloth, who is bent on domination and destruction.
Oh thanks didn't know that. It was meant for Topheh though. He is the one with the Gnomes after all.
And welcome back to the states, Chapien!
Massive... how exactly does that blade (doomsday weapon. I knew it.) work? So it gives +0 bonus to combat, but -6 to the opponent? Why not just the bonus? (is it just for semi-fluff reasons, I guess is my question)
Beyond that... its an impressive, impressive thing and I will now avoid making you angry ever. *nods*
I believe topheh that may be becuase it's stated in the wikia that the artifacts can only grant a +1 combat advantage.
Interestign question..what happens to a god if via the use of that sword his combat score is negative?
Topheh, I will clean up that language to be more precise but that's the gist. The wielder gets no bonus, instead the target loses up to 6 combat power.
Heck, no god can benefit from this artifact fully, due to the 4 combat artifact limit.
Further, as for the de-create, I'll need to know which god they are keyed to at all times, as it effects what other artifacts the owner can use. Additionally on this effect, it cannot forcibly drain generic PP from the god it is keyed to. The keyed god will need to post permitting it. Further, a 1 PP artifact, the guard, is not strong enough to double the cost to repair something.
Overall, this thing is one massive rules tangle.
Maybe we can break up the sword? have a 'piece' for attack and one for defense.
And welcome back to the states, Chapien!
Thanks... gotta beat jet lag... falling... asleep... zzZZzz...
1. Why not? I made an ancillary artifact to provide the means, and it fits the description of how it works. It's not any different then giving your staff of ruin the mechanical effect of hiding from the orb even though you didn't pay for that ability. Actually, it is, as I actually paid for it.
2. Meh. I'll refund 3 PP to Nixis and 1 to myself. You might also police others, since someone has a +7 artifact out there.
3. There is a simple fix, the "possessor" simply consents to it such that individual use permission is not needed.
4. I can drop this I suppose.
Combat artifacts are bonuses, not penalties. Working it that way is simply an unecessary complication.
ANYWAYS, I think that it is not unreasonable for an exception to the general rule to be made for this artifact. At least, I ask for one.
Think of it this way-
Take a +2 Axiomatic Longsword as an Example. It benefits to anyone that is Chaotic- aligned, but does not benefit to those that are Lawful- aligned.
See how it works?
It might not be a good idea on the LoC, but it does kind of make sense.
Once an exception has been made once, there is no reason not to make it again. I'm not going to go down that slippery slope.
The Staff of Ruin's primary effect was hiding. It's the entire reason that the vampire wasn't hunted down and killed by Veros way back when he destroyed Duska Krak. The comat feature was added later.
Once an exception has been made once, there is no reason not to make it again. I'm not going to go down that slippery slope.
Under that logic, you only paid 1 PP for a combat artifact and you have a 3 PP artifact you only paid 2 PP for. You have to pay 2 PP for the combat bonus, that is the rule and you did not. You are trying to have that first PP count for two artifact effects, and that is a violation of the rules, period.
I have no idea on the latter, and really is not something that should be a goal of players.
The Staff of Ruin is a 3 PP artifact. The hiding facet had 1 PP spent on it, and the combat facet had 2 PP.
On the subject of PP, PP can be boosted by followers, but that isn't the only way. Almost any action can lead you towards a PP boost. I have a complicated formula worked out for it.
Well if that is the case you are right and I was wrong. I apologize.
EDIT: I have also refunded Nixis's PP back to him.
also, does this mean that my desert is gone?
Just logged back on and that is one huge artifact. I like how you get around the only 1 pp per turn bit by giving it to two separate gods. You will still need to get an additional +1 decreate in order to totally destroy the staff of ruin. I would be willing to help with that, but I would need 1 pp to do it since I have a free pp and then a Create one. Just a thought.
And what are you going to do with it after we kick Drevans a**?
IncarnationsEnds, yes, he survived, but no, the area is still desert. I havn't nourished to return plant life yet.
Hm, I didn't expect all of the Tribunal players to be away or what not.
Hammu had actually come to see Winter in the IC thread. He'll be there a while if Mara still wants to chat.
About the PbP I'll be interested (hehe it would be a shame otherwise since I poked shadow so much :p) in playing and eventually dm-ing in the future.
Here are a few considerations from me (written while off-line)
Just a point about Shurka death
I was thinking about the average alignment of our gods and I concluded that most are evil or neutral (and some time cruel), while this world lack good gods, we had Veros (that was not strictly good but he mostly acted to protect creation and he always sided against evil gods), we have\had Shurka, that is definitely good and Mara maybe… The others tend to be neutral, evil, or focused on their personal stories enough to be out of divine conflicts.
There is a really strong unbalance in favor of darkness and while there is no problem with that I think that a bastion of light like Shurka is not bad for the world.
Also in order to begin a war the Bronze Pantheon needs enemies. :p
I would also find quite nice the idea of two opposing pantheon (dichotomy good vs evil while it is a super cliché it also makes good stories).
Also a little thought about divine war, are after all the purpose of LoC is creating stuff while the war might be interesting it usually focus on more destructive aspect and happen to ruin a lot of concept that have required work to be made and that might have being quite good in the end. A few example of the current war, mind that they are all purely justified action and are good “in character” and I’m not saying that the acted wrongly or criticizing them in any way: Ejira sinking the empire archipelago, destroyed an important part of the world, Shurka suicide by fighting a stronger god (that is also backed by many brothers) and depopulating Terena (removed a nice playground from the game).
Can't we find a less destructive solution?
For example having gods interact less directly with divine wrath might work (like instead of killing the opposing faction we nourish our own and after a while the strongest faction win), since conquest will not destroy anything.
Are you really preparing to forge an empire? If so how can I help?
Chapien-
Are you really preparing to forge an empire? If so how can I help?
Well, actually, in a way yes. Azora was originally where the Grey Lands are now. Think of it as a Crusade: Azor'Chapien seeks to invade the Grey Lands. Additionally, he might be interested in aiding Shurka (er... what's left of him...).
So, really what you're doing is reclaiming land that was lost. Is there anything that is going to be standing in your way?
Obviously the undead are going to be a problem... and Drevan will likely not like the idea of Azor'Chapien claiming the Grey Lands. Also, I'll do a massive Nourish Land later maybe to make the Grey Lands into a more habitable place so the Azorans can expand.
But seriously, messing with time is more than we should try to handle. the two Veros things was pushing it, but as we see how Eija is reacting? Now that's not fun at all.
I for one think time should be left well enough alone. playing with it just messes things up. For instance, the thing about the future where Shurka is dead? Who knows whether we are on that path or not. With time, there are two many variables and to many choices. Everything makes a difference.
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Wanted to get that off my back. Sorry.
That said, I'll be sad to see Shurka go if he ends up going. With Mara holding that sword of doom... who knows what will happen.
Chapien, I think technically the grey lands is an artifact, so you'd have to decreate it.
And Graxith... you've got a vampire god that might have something to say about that... of course, I'm not sure how long Drevan will be alive to protest. (again, eying that scary sword...)
ahh very good. I think our interests may be one in this one. I would like control over at least a good portion of the undead [in case you handn't noticed Honassia is rather fond of them] and you would like to take the grey lands back [or for the first time..or something]. It'll be an interesting Event.
It would, which is exactly why I am doing it. When it gets started, Azor'Chapien will likely invite other races and gods to join in his Crusade. Gnome bards killing undead would be awesome to watch (nudges Topheh).
As for alignment, in the old system Azor'Chapien is definitely Lawful Neutral. He stands only for the preservation of civilization, and if he had to wipe out an entire species to preserve civilization, he would.
And my gnomish bards might take up the call... although they're a little busy at the moment dealing with some devils...
Oh, and Graxith... I may have misspoken in my post... Azor and I are roughly the same age (started the same turn)
You'll also have my assassins, and maybe a few lich [depending on when you plan on taking this land back.]
A little off topic, do you think the god of bards would be angry if a couple liches took up the call in their own special little way?
To Topeht, apparently you got my point perfectly :p
I might turn Hensen into a less evil god (refocusing him more on freedom and innovation versus the current theme of warping mutations and madness), but he will hardly turn into a champion of good :p
And gief Shurka alive hehe ;) There is no point in being evil if there is no good guy around...
Hmm... lawful neutral. Its a good thing our gods got off on the right foot, otherwise I'd be a massive thorn in your side :P
And my gnomish bards might take up the call... although they're a little busy at the moment dealing with some devils...
Oh, and Graxith... I may have misspoken in my post... Azor and I are roughly the same age (started the same turn)
Yes, with Nixis and Azor things could of gone either way. They went for the best, I think. Now we have peasants worshiping Nixis left and right in Azora... oh well...
Me and Nixis started on the same turn, but technically Azor'Chapien came first. Another thing one might want to note about Azor, the Code he spreads came into being at the same time as Azor, Azor did NOT create the Code. He IS the Code, in a way.
And yeah, I thought that might be what the fluff was about, but, you know... just saying
Has everybody bothered to teach their races tactics yet? If not then I recomend it [and the concept of total war is very useful against most living races.]
*Gets some popcorn*
Anyway, my next god will definitely lean good on the alignment spectrum, and will join any orginizations against the Bronze Pantheon. I'm definitely not done with this game yet.
Anyway, my next god will definitely lean good on the alignment spectrum, and will join any orginizations against the Bronze Pantheon. I'm definitely not done with this game yet.
I think Azor'Chapien will likely oppose the Bronze Pantheon... your next god could join the Offensive... just sayin'...
And to be honest while a war between the pantheon and other gods might be interesting I'd prefer to focus more on world building than in shattering it, so why don't we make war be between mortals (as I suggested before) and left direct divine influence out?
To Chapien... hehe apparently I keep sending diplomatic envoys to people that belong to gods that will be my enemies hehe I think that the Free Nation allignement is too different than the one of their god at the moment... :p
Hehe, good ;) Gief more good guys, and /sad that Shurka leaves (if Vymrl decide to kill him)...
And to be honest while a war between the pantheon and other gods might be interesting I'd prefer to focus more on world building than in shattering it, so why don't we make war be between mortals (as I suggested before) and left direct divine influence out?
World shattering is fun! /pout
But... I agree... the invasion of the Grey Lands Azor'Chapien plans will mostly be headed by mortals, and he only plans to interfere completely if Drevan himself comes into battle.
World shattering is fun!
Hehe ::evillaugh
Gief replies on mortals btw slacker :p
Thoose two turns will give me a little time to prepare then. I rather like war amoung mortals, it's just near the end gods tend to get protective of their play things and rush to their defense.
as for alignment, everything that Honassia has done so far was to get what he wanted. Down the road he'll probably turn a little more evil, but it wont turn up until after he's sure that he can get away with it and not be smashed by one of thoose gnomish demon swatters.
Has everybody bothered to teach their races tactics yet? If not then I recomend it [and the concept of total war is very useful against most living races.]
The humites know warfare tactics. The giants may have a similar technology.
Beside I Hensen discovers that I think I'll have to remind it to Vymrl becouse after all they stolen the "spoils of war"..
Finally it is just a curiosity how does the demons know that the humites moved into the Feywild and should not guide them to attack also require guide action?
1PP - Guide Populace (Lesser): Influence an intelligent population to worship you. Also, direct divine orders, such as starting wars or forcing peace.
I think that the Free Nation have tattics (but I'm not 100% sure... better check my last few posts hehe).
EDIT: yes they does
But a good point... time to modify that last post so I have some PP left, just in case. At least the humites will survive in exile.
I'm thinking about combining all of the Domains that Torvek has, and making a Greater Domain out of Courage, Day, and Insight.
Would that be legal? I still have 4pp to spend.
Torvek's Stats
Name: Torvek
Greater Domains: -Radiance- (Does not exist yet)
Moderate Domains: ---
Lesser Domains: <<Courage, Day, Insight>>
Artifacts: Sunshine Chakram (Moderate Artifact) +5 Combat Bonus
Alignment: Unaligned
Physical Appearance: He is a Brass Dragon that wields a chakram that gleams as bright as the sun. Hios scales seem as if he is not a living being. His wingspan is just about as long as a Cuoatl, stretched out at full length. His head resembles a Red dragon, and his eyes gleam with the light of the sun. He has a stout poise, and he has the legs of a Lion. His chakram has a strap on his right arm to sheath/ unsheath it- the chakram functions as a shield in this manner.
Symbol: A dark brown circlular background with a brass serpentine in the shape of an "&" symbol. The outer edges of the circle has several points portruding out from it, resembling the Sunshine Chakram. The inner edges has a ring of gold, white, silver and red. The circle seems as if it was painted on top of canvas.
PPs: 4 (1)
Exarches: Hondala (Guide), Terascul (Defender), Corelloth (Villian), Dolestre (Ally)
Greater Domains: -Radiance- (Does not exist yet)
Moderate Domains: ---
Lesser Domains: <<Courage, Day, Insight>>
Artifacts: Sunshine Chakram (Moderate Artifact) +5 Combat Bonus
Alignment: Unaligned
Physical Appearance: He is a Brass Dragon that wields a chakram that gleams as bright as the sun. Hios scales seem as if he is not a living being. His wingspan is just about as long as a Cuoatl, stretched out at full length. His head resembles a Red dragon, and his eyes gleam with the light of the sun. He has a stout poise, and he has the legs of a Lion. His chakram has a strap on his right arm to sheath/ unsheath it- the chakram functions as a shield in this manner.
Symbol: A dark brown circlular background with a brass serpentine in the shape of an "&" symbol. The outer edges of the circle has several points portruding out from it, resembling the Sunshine Chakram. The inner edges has a ring of gold, white, silver and red. The circle seems as if it was painted on top of canvas.
PPs: 4 (1)
Exarches: Hondala (Guide), Terascul (Defender), Corelloth (Villian), Dolestre (Ally)
Yeah, I tried to ask a similar question yesterday, but didn't get a reply. It seems odd that 5 different types of devils can invade without using PP (And if the answer is 'the gate lets them', then I'm going to have a LOT of fun with my own controllable gate in the future[0 PP needed to assassinate leaders of nations? That could be fun!]), but my attempt to fight them off not only requires PP, but requires PP for each individual type.
But a good point... time to modify that last post so I have some PP left, just in case. At least the humites will survive in exile.
Argh I missed this post before I replied so I'm double posting again...
I totally agree with you btw :p
Finally who control the feywild? I guess that the god who does will feel what is going to happen (and if I remember well the owner have access to almost unlimited power there so he can just teach the devils a lesson...).
The Free Nation faction led by Yorik will for sure help the humites against the demons (and they have access to the feywild due to the fact that they include humites and half humites) but since they are not omniscent nor is Hensen (and his attention is focused elsewere even if he could have used his power to locate them somewho) they can't do much...
Maybe a post that let them gain some hint about where the humite went might be nice :p /poke Mecha or Topheh
Nop, domains allow limited knowledge of things related to them, but they don't give any bonus (even if I guess that a god of Art will make much better paintings than one of war for example).
So, I can't create a Greater Domain with what Torvek has? Darn...
I am going to suggest just a slight change for consideration though [Say a one PP cost reduction for things directly relating to that topic and only that topic] that means you still have to pay for the big things, but it's a little easier for you becuase it's part of your Domain. [the 1 pp things aren't very hard to do and usually don't have very large reprocuassion.] This could even go so far as not allowing the reduction when it involves races specifically [as in, you can effect a creature type as a whole, but not an individual race, or even just leave races out of it all together.
Then again, that might complicate things a little to much.
And Nerdzul, I agree entirely about needing to type faster (sigh).
Right now, either Eijra or Shurka are the 'rightful owners' as it were, of the Feywyld... not sure how the dead-->live Eijra plays into it. And good point with the poking! (goes back to his post and makes another edit)
Sadly, Graxith, while I agree in principle with your idea, I think it would complicate things a lot, and contribute to some bizzare situations... eg: Xirinet is god of Life, so any spawn action would be -1 PP, so he could then spawn an infinite number of creatures in a single turn and we'd be up to our ears in frogs or something. Or Vymrl, being god of war, could attack other gods for 0 PP... it also would get ugly in determining boundaries... I'm the god of language at the moment... but civilizations need language to communicate, so do I get discounts on that front? So, great idea, but I think the implementation in a fair way in a forum-game would be a nightmare.
Realized that when I posted this Topheh. I like the game as it is and it would be a little to overused without some sort of control.
You already have all of it without any expenditure :p Btw isn't time for Torvek to show us some glimpses of his old world and recreate something? I'm curious... beside after I stop wasting time and efforts in fighting gods (I wish I was more peaceful) I'd like to have some more interaction with your characters they look interesting ;p
More interaction with my characters, eh? Hmmm... That gives me an idea...
Also, about his world- it was 'destroyed' by the Apocalypse that Corelloth unleashed. Her plan is to annihalate the existence of all gods by recreating the same Apocalypse upon a plane. Which plane she is targeting- we have no idea...
Topheh- that's why Torvek wants to create the Observatory- to keep track of where Corelloth is going, and to search for clues to see which plane she will be targeting for her master plan.
Corelloth is an Evil, EVIL dragon with cruel intentions. Combat may be necessary to drive her off for a while...
While the world was destroyed Torvek has divine powers here, so he might be able to restore part of it ;)
True, but the only thing that Torvek cannot restore is his family... They were caught within the Apocalypse, and Dolestre never saw them in any time period. That is why Torvek had presumed his family dead...
I think we need a way to determin who wins a war. So far the wars have gone well, but a point system or something that is unbiased would be a little bit better then trying to Roleplay all the wars out. [[talking about just between mortals, no god involvement other then to start and make peace if it comes to that.] that way if we get to a time when we get two gods who both want their races to win the war tehy don't just escalate until the gods have to get involved again or both races will be wiped out.
And shoud last a few turns to allow for some twists to happen.
Maybe some other god can help him with that (not Hensen ofc) someone with the domain of time maybe...
Maybe, but so much has changed for Torvek and Dolestre that the only thing they have left to do is to avenge their parents' death.
And yeah, the war system is a little bizzare... I mean, I guess a mechanistic way for it to work is that each group has a series of nourishes, and you denourish them until one side capitulates or runs out of nourishes and is destroyed. In practice, that never really happens.
I mean, technically, if the Humites are all in the feywyld, they have a ton more nourishes than the devils and should be easily defeating them, but that certainly does not appear to be the case. In the end, its all handwavey.Edit: Nerdzul, I think that makes a lot of sense. Have it be something similar to the god-battle dynamic: Base Nourishes + techs (this would need some talking about how to work them in) + artifacts and Exarchs committed. vs the other sides... with the loser losing a certain fraction of their Nourishes (either permanant or temporary) each turn until they fall below, say 50% and are considered to have lost the war.
And yes it should work like that, however I think that a war between civs should be able of progressinve even with the gods not spending points on it.
The lich is completely devoted to knowledge, but the other researchers might be a little suspicious [by now the lich have done what they wanted to get what they wanted and aren't generally trusted]. He'd aalso need a place to keep his soul in there and thoose two things could make a couple interesting things in the library for the mortal stories [if you want of course].
And yes, some way to let wars happen naturally... the gods can step in to change things, but it shouldn't' be required. It will take some work to create something, though... because you're right... humites are a 2pp populace, and the devils are anything from 2 through 4 PP populace, and obviously without adjustments that 2pp is going to be crushed by the 4pp.
I think that the cost of the race is included in the number of nourishes to consider the strenght of the nation.
(for example a 2 PP race with 10 nourishes will have 12, vs a 4 PP race with 0 they will own).
I don't know if that'd be the best way to go about it. It'd work, but in some casses races that are less inclined at combat will be getting a bigger bonus then thoose that are meant to fight [just going of racial traits, not development by the gods.]
Chapien, are you TRYING to kill me? Eijra's with Drevan RIGHT NOW! :P
I pay no attention. I'm stupid, obviously. Just... don't find her then or something.
And I chose to go to Shurka because he is under attack.
Edit: So I dont double post... heading off for a few hours. Assume Nixis is travelling to Terena in this time...
And it was up in ten minutes like I said
Ekluag, that is the point. Xa'an and Yoglith (Sina and Thought) put forth that multiple timelines exist parallel to each other. The time line the second Veros came from will never occur. In that time line, Tsaroka-Noggoth killed Roan and Shurka, and proceeded to one by one take out any god that opposed it. (most of them). As for Eijra, she could have just as easily reappeared in the feywild or been resurrected for 4 PP. I figured the pulling her through time was more interesting.
Chapien, just to make a point, your island is on the far side of the world. Something to consider. That is some long sailing. Come to think of it, I need to teach the elves near you sailing to we can interact.
Quick point on the Bard domain, Eijra doesn't have it. Fey and Song, but not Bard.
Not demons people, devils. As for their being no guide involved, devils are subservient to the Nine, one of which is an exarch, as well as being creatures of the immortal subtype. Immortals (mostly angels) are the servants of gods, unless the god specifically states as much (see Wyld's angels, who he made independent, and not divine servants.) So devils are essentially Veros's private army. The penalty is that they never, ever count for PP purposes. All the PP I spent to create devils, and any I spend on them in the future, is essentially wasted. The only reason to spend PP on them would be to make them stronger in a perceived conflict.
As for mortal conflicts, they are covered in large part by fluff. If the two sides cannot reach a conclusion, administration will step in, weigh the features of both sides, and decide a winner. A progression, if not based on PP, should be decided in concert with the other involved gods. As always, remember we are here to create an interesting world, not to win or lose. If an admin is deciding (due to two gods unwilling to decide together), the base cost, total nourishes (and de-nourishes), guides, artifacts involved, and exarchs involved are all taken into consideration. Additionally, we do consider those artifacts purpose, the exarchs purpose (non-combat is worth less than combat, obviously), as well as the nature of the races guides. A race with nothing but, say, carpentry, agriculture, democracy, ship-wrights, cartography, navigation, and paper is going to get next to nothing out of it's guides and has a crap selection of weaponry to fight with anyway, where as a race with fighter, black smithing, weapon smithing, armor smithing, woodworking, leather working, wizard, ritual casting, and range is sitting good and has lots of combat potential. Remember though, this only plays into effect if I (or other admins when we get some) have to decide the outcome. If two players can come to an agreement, it can end however they'd like it to.
A domain is largely fluff. The primary mechanical benefit that might come out of it is that acting completely within your domains can make you look better for an admin award, and if two gods repeatedly oppose each other on something (say those records), the one with the relevant domain will be declared the victor by the admins, and tell both to stop. It didn't come up then, as there were no other admins to invoke it, and I won't invoke it on my own behalf. And you can sometimes get limited information related to your domain.
Xeadin, I don't really think Radiance is a greater domain. More of a moderate in my eyes, though if anybody else wishes to chime opinions, feel free.
Eijra is in control of the Feywild. I don't recall her specifying somebody to inherit it.
Nerdzul, you should know where they went. Defense Coalition traitors informed the giants, who would certainly inform their allies. Considering Free Nation humites have the knowledge and size necessary to open the gates.
Graxith, a discount was suggested in the rules discount, but we decided against it as we would have had to basically prohibit greater domains entirely, and limit a huge amount of moderate domains to get anything resembling a balanced system. And we made a conscious decision that LoC gods were not the omniscient (even within their domains) type of gods. We are closer to super powerful mortals with the ability to reshape reality.
well I created the Bloodstone spikes + artifact (and soon I was to spawn creatures there) last turn to create a new adventuring site, but it got molded away...
About gods agreement on the final outcome of the war I totally agree (and about admin mediations too, but that will reinforce the need of more than one imho since our admin is involved in many conflicts).
Did not know about free actions for divine servants (guess that if one day I'll have enough points to spawn my own that I keep sending away in the future it will be a benefit).
Also, I like that last action Shadow, not only have you used her, but now you've broken her [if I guess what she'll do correctly that is.]
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So we're something like Superdopplegangers on steriods.
In a completely unrelated note, I just realized that my poor Driders, who are supposed to be the curators of the Library... dont... know how to read... I should remedy that.
Edit: Graxith, why do you think I had Nixis run away? I fear the same thing is about to happen.
I like Angels being like everyone else myself...
And Xi is MOST DEFINITELY less than good. Even if it has mostly constructive intentions. I was wondering if I was getting that across well enough, and you guys confirmed that I did. Useful to know my writing is serving its purpose.
I did not know about that rule btw (most of us did not play at the last edition of LoC) is it somewere on the wiki?
Btw is the old thread somewere still accessible? I was curious to take a look at it, gief link
EDIT: Anyway, good night time to go for me ;)
In Character
Out of Character
Pantheon
The pantheon thread was later replaced with a wikia found here
Wiki
Similar to ours, this one was often out of date, and is missing quite a bit.
I do notice that we made 93 pages in that one . . . and we also ended quite aburptly. But there they are. The maps for that one are still availab,e with the final world map near the end of the OOC thread.
I've noticed that since I've joined there's been a spike in debate over game mechanics. Now, is this becuase of all the questions being asked by the new player [i.e. me] or was this all just building up for a while?
However there has been some rules discussion for weeks. Not to mention some unprecedented happenings.
It was born out of the propensity for gods to just create creature categories, and therefore run out of new creature material, in the last LoC. Plus it helps to reduce generic-ness in the world.
btw: Fun fact, but Kiptar hasn't used a Mold action yet. Just thought of that.
This isn't a good question, but how long are we going to do this? Do we have an end date, or will we just stop when everyone agrees too?
Actually... I'm considering the rules for a "Build a City" instead of "Build a World" because then it could be droped into ANY adventure instead of having to have the campaign take place centered around it.
Another reason is starting over brings in new blood that we wouldn't get just keeping going. Some people see all thoose posts, and that there are already a bunch of different gods, and they decide that they either don't want to read that much or there's to many players.
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How do you think that would work? Say we are government officials directing things? or keep the god thing just make it a joint city?
Since this is a creative\narrative thread after all (and not only a game) I think that flexibility in rules is not a bad thing so even if the admins have to improvise some time I don't see any real problem as long as they are fair ofc.
Also I think we should finalize our campaign world a little more (adding fluff and some adventure seeds, that can be also used outside of it hehe).
Finally I guess we should refocus again in creating stuff instead of fighting (while a little war and conflict might be funny, like a proper invasion of the continent by the imperium, with only mortal fighting, new inventions coming out during the war, adventure seeds, war strategies, shifting alliancese and so on, the Terema-Imperium war was not satisfying this time imho) while direct fighting between players and obvious divine influence in mortal affair should be reduced (yes I was involved in 100% of the fights during the last month so maybe I'm not the best person to suggest this change hehe...)
As for the possibility to be included in any adventure mind that anything that we add might be used as a source of inspiration after all (like history of nations, new creature, classes, heroes and villains and so on) so while the whole world will hardly fit in a campaign, its shard easily will...
mmm I think I'll have to post a few more stat blocks and more fluff for my stuff (to be judged for balance and stolen if found interesting).
Beginning the Play by post can also be a nice way to have the setting tested and the players more involved (/poke shadow again). We have made the world now it is time to "get dirty" and begin testing it a little ;)
I was even thinking of designing a custom mini magic set for this LoC (we have tons of things that can be turned into cards after all).
Build a city... mmmm I think that LoC is a little more Epic (I like it much more) however I guess that players who started the original thread would become bored of it and maybe will want to try something new... Anyway I guess we can thing about that far in the future when this story end.
I have red some of the old LoC btw and it looked imba hehe (even if I still have to read much).
I think I remember that too Topheh.
The experience is what leads me to my current style. Rather than pick sides my god and my creations are in neutral territory (though with some obvious leanings). It allows me to choose where to stand and leaves me some objectivity.
Any of you who may be reading the last LoC will be able to see the tone and interaction between players. It isn't too hard to fgure out where things began to break down.
The Reason why I made Radiance a Greater domain is because I'm combining 3 Lesser domains together. Is that how it works, or do I have to obtain one more Lesser domain to do so?
After all, I do have 1pp leftover... :D
They sit in a city where you can find almost ANYTHING for the right price. A city where power is everything, and morality takes a backseat to purpose.
I wouldn't call Alexandria corrupt, but neither would I say pure. It's a city where you can see angels telling stories to children, or battles between shapeshifting soldiers in the street. Where drugs are traded as freely as silver and gold. The most powerful in the city hold places on the council, though the only 'permanent' aristocracy are the lines which trace themselves directly to Alexandria herself.
Here the Circle sits, searching for a way into the restricted quarters and they miss one option to consider...
Talking to the Council of the Sundered Crown.
They've made themselves a home, or at the least a base of operations. This is a city where you can hire anyone to kill another person (though it's preferred that you fill out the paperwork... or at least request a trial). There's almost nothing that you CAN'T do, and so there's little the Circle could do that the authorities would take offence.
And they've apparently frgotten the single directive all humans follow: Perfection at any cost, power for any price.
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Xeadin: That isn't really how domains work... The 'level' of a domain only determines priority. A greater domain has the least priority because it encompasses the most, where lesser domains have more priority as they become more and more focused. You can't really 'combine' domains into something new, or rather there's no benefit to it.
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Chapien: While Exarchs are frowned upon in MS, if they are functioing entirely as powerful mortals it's different than direct deific intervention. For instance the Exarch Gorion is too powerful for a MS post, however an exarch that is an exarch entirely thru mortal agencies has a bit more leeway.
If I were to say... Exarch a powerful priest... That priest grants GUIDE power because of prestige, and is nigh immortal because they are an Epic level NPC. That's quite different from my (hypothetical) exarch who is an incarnation of deific will and can shape new creatures from nothing.
I guess I could make Radiance a Lesser or Moderate domain. I don't have a problem...
The 'Radiance' domain encompasses the lesser domains. It doesn't REPLACE them. I'd talk to Shadow about the rank, but Moderate may be appropriate overall.
Think of it this way... the 'Life' domain I possess encompasses all forms of life, but that doesn't mean I can't claim more focused forms of my preference (thus far Xi has shown a preference for Insects, though I don't know if it would be appropriate for Xi to claim that domain).
In your last post you are claiming 'Radiance' as an extension and encompassment of your lesser domains. Radiance is an expression of the lesser domains while remaining something unique in itself (otherwise it wouldn't truly be a domain in its own right).
You're building up, rather than extending down so-to-speak. Mechanically you're absolutely fine. However you're just a little mixed up as to what domains actually are in the OOC sense. I'd take a quick look through the Domain rules, and make sure you can fully explain the identity of your new domain and how it can be something unique unto itself (and what Greater domain it may fall under, if any, should Shadow think it appropriate as a Moderate).
Xeadin, we aren't in the Gray Wastes yet. I'm with Shurka at the moment and Nixis ran away when he saw Eijra with Drevan. Though, if you can find us, you are welcome to help:D
Sounds good. Where is Azor' exactly?
Sounds good. Where is Azor' exactly?
Actually... I'm not sure... its wherever Shurka is being attacked... I just said I was going to Shurka and I was there... you might have to dig through the posts.
And why are Hensen and Vyrml attacking Shurka?
The Imperium? What for?
And why are Hensen and Vyrml attacking Shurka?
Eijra went insane and is burning and earthquaking the Imperium. Shurka has made enemies with the Bronze Pantheon. Vryml and Hensen are both members of the Bronze Pantheon.
Or something like that...
Shurka has made enemies with the Bronze Pantheon. Vryml and Hensen are both members of the Bronze Pantheon.
Or something like that...
More like Vyrml has a bit of a grudge against Humites, and Shurka personally upset his most recent invasion of Humite lands. Vryml called for help from the Bronze Pantheon, but so far only Hensen has come to aid him.
More like Vyrml has a bit of a grudge against Humites, and Shurka personally upset his most recent invasion of Humite lands. Vryml called for help from the Bronze Pantheon, but so far only Hensen has come to aid him.
Yep. That's why I said 'or something like that'.
So what should I do- Find Azor'Chapien, or help Shurka?
I'm with Shurka, I just arrived there yesterday. Azor'Chapien doesn't know whats going on, but he intends to help Shurka. They're in the same place, its just Azor' just arrived there.
I'm with Shurka, I just arrived there yesterday. Azor'Chapien doesn't know whats going on, but he intends to help Shurka. They're in the same place, its just Azor' just arrived there.
Well, maybe we can both help Shurka... :D
Well, maybe we can both help Shurka... :D
Thats what I was thinking, and maybe you can help in Azor'Chapien's little crusade...
Thats what I was thinking, and maybe you can help in Azor'Chapien's little crusade...
Chapien-
Sure.
Tinwe-
Dolestre is not a mortal...
Tinwe-
Dolestre is not a mortal...
I realize that, which begs the question of why she hasn't made her way inside?
I realize that, which begs the question of why she hasn't made her way inside?
She will- she just won't be making much noise so that she doesn't disturb anyone.
Exactly what I'd set out to inlist him to do. Xeadin, that evil dragon of yours, perhapes a little encounter with Honassia? [just a little fluff]
Sure- I must log off though...
See you all soon! :D
Angel, you should probably wait until the end of the turn before imprisoning Shurka. It's looks like Azor'Chapien was just about to help.
Oh, right :P
Angel, you should probably wait until the end of the turn before imprisoning Shurka. It's looks like Azor'Chapien was just about to help.
I was about to help
Maybe that should force the gods to a stalemate...
And maybe Mecha can keep Shurka after all...
Btw Chapien are going on with the mortal stories?
It's why I wanted to give the most powerful combat artifact in the game to him. :D
You still need to spend a PP on an aid action for it to count.
Darn... I'm outta PP!
Beside I'm saving my points to try to help Veros but I think that since during this reset we will hardly be able to do that I guess I'll just begin spending them (got 4 untyped + 1 mold, +1 create + 1 nourish left to be spent...)
Gah, I don't know. I think I get to choose what happens to my artifacts. What do you think, Shadow?
If nothing else, we can have a daring rescue attempt in a little while.
And Wyld... yes, that would be a lovely idea for the Circle, but the gnomes (read myself) are new to Alexandria, and don't know all the ins and outs yet... but now that they (I) know about it...
Edit: Let me double-check... with giving and getting back the PP from Mara, I might have miscounted somewhere.
Edit #2: Nope. Well, lets see what happens when Torvek returns.
Let me guess, Topheh. No PP left?
Well do you want to be saved or not?!
I can spend it if necessary.
That PP was refunded.
Or Hammu\Ekluag\The Empress can show up and respect the Pantheon agreement and help Vymrl and Hensen win...
It would actually be very interesting, especially with the very impressive way that Vymrl has set up his prison plane... I'm imagining a set of epic-level mortal adventures there...
And Mechalibur, yeah... I spent it.
Or Hammu\Ekluag\The Empress can show up and respect the Pantheon agreement and help Vymrl and Hensen win...
You mean Kiptar?
Anyway I'll stay for 30 min or so than go to sleep (and tomorrow morning I'll complete my actions for the turn if nothing else happens)...
To Angel, if we win or the fight is a draw I'll spend an action to defend the Imperium giants from any action of Shurka, so that they might be free to do as they like with the land (and maybe focus on the feywild with the help of Free Nation forces after the gods have stopped to directly fight their people battles).
Hm . . . . anyway I can get involved that would make sense . . . .
After all Devran is away at the moment...
Nerdzul, I never said I'd have Drevan get involved. . . . I do have other tools at my disposal.
After all everything now can be determined by a single god like Topeth last point, refounded by Mara, or by any of the Pantheon members and that is quite interesting in my humble opinion...
To Mecha: I think you can't after the beginning of the fight... but I'm happy that you decided to fight to keep Shurka alive
*checks again*
1 PP (exarch)
okay... 3PP to mara (-3 PP back from mara later)
*1 PP denourish
1 PP (artifact)
*1 PP Guide Circle
*1 PP Guide Circle
*1 PP Nourish Circle
1 PP Nourish (exarch).
Nope... unless I have 5 PP and can't read, I'm still out
But that would have been exciting. Too bad I can't just go back and take back one of those guides... but that'd sorta be cheating.
It what?
*checks again*
1 PP (exarch)
okay... 3PP to mara (-3 PP back from mara later)
*1 PP denourish
1 PP (artifact)
*1 PP Guide Circle
*1 PP Guide Circle
*1 PP Nourish Circle
1 PP Nourish (exarch).
Nope... unless I have 5 PP and can't read, I'm still out
But that would have been exciting. Too bad I can't just go back and take back one of those guides... but that'd sorta be cheating.
Circle was in parenthesis for one of the guides which made it look like the circle provided the PP. My bad.
Circle was in parenthesis for one of the guides which made it look like the circle provided the PP. My bad.
That brings up something I've been thinking about.
Instead of using an actual artifact [say a golden sword that makes it so that you can shot flames out you...you get the drift] can you use a populace? Say in the way that normal D&D gods do? For example, they still count as an artifact, but you don't have to bother with them falling into the wrong hands? [although conversion might be an issue there.
And after that one can you 'train yourself' and have it count as a combat artifact? IT's not really all that important, but some things would work better for character concepts, would it be possible?
In case me and Vymrl win anyway she will not be killed (since its my points that break the tie).
Anyway since I can't stay logged for much and I'm not sure if I'll be able to relog before the reset (damned forum crush I got a lot of time before). I'll make an unpolished post about my actions (clean up will come this evening).
Tinwe - I believe your demiplane is subject to the Skyway River's effects.
I thought you used the Skyway River's Create PP this turn to make the sword?
Additionally, see how the forums have been on and off today, I will be pushing the reset back a few hours, to give everybody some extra time to work things out. If it continues to be bad, I may even push it off until tommorrow.
On second thought, my plan for the plane would function nicely with the Skyway River. I'll just add it in.
Scardy cat :P
Nerdzul, I'm going to need clarification on the purpose of that Aegis of Lies.
The Aegis of Lies protect the invasion forces from direct divine action that cost no PP (like shurka attacking them) any effect that cost points or action taken purely by mortals is not affected it also has some other (mortal only) protection powers.
As to killing Shurka, I only went for it because I thought Mech indicated he was okay with it. If he's not, I'll have Vymrl try to extract some penalty, likely an artifact or domain, the let him go. The only way he'd go for a trial is from the Bronze Pantheon. Vymrl's already indicated that he believes that the Pantheon has more power than the Court, so he'd likely be unwilling to go along with a trial, not unwilling enough to start a fight, however.
Shurka did that, but Mara has given him the +4 artifact sword, bringing him back to 10.
Refresh is in aout 50 minutes.
Anyway time to go for me, Good night ;)
I'm just about finished, but I didn't want to rush you guys after the boards went all fracking haywire this morning.
Refresh in two minutes.
PP Refresh
8 - Veros
7 -
6 - Xirinet, The Empress, Vymrl, Shurka, Mara
5 - Hensen Jijou, Eijra, Kiptar, Hammu
4 - Nixis, Azor-Chapien, Chroma, Starl, Honissia, Incarnation's End, Torvek
Shurka did lose last round, right?
Secondly, can we get Drevan? Please? Pretty please?
btw, How many of us would it take to kill him? Much less find him?
Mind that I have nothing against the admin having more power as long as he is super partes and dont' use such extra power to negate action of other people or interefere in their work...
Btw we stopped talkin again about the second mod, Shall we just have a vote for the second admin? starting let's say tomorrow with every candidate proposing himself and than everyone voting for one candidate?
But what is going to happen to that power if we free Veros? After all the prayers of most of Drevan followers are directed toward Veros and not him...
In all this chaos, its rather nice to feel one is going unnoticed, especially when playing a rodentine God. ^_^
I'm envious of you :P
Anyway I'm curious about what the skavenish skreet are going to do :p
Vymrl came in on turn 2, but Angel had a long absence.
Eijra on turn 4, but she technically died at one point, also resulting in a long absence.
The only other 2 early gods that remain are Shurka and Xirinet. Wyld has missed several turns, and Shurka's people are under attack so very often anymore.
As for more admins, I'm giving until Tuesday for anymore volunteers.
Ekluag, I do have to wonder why you want Drevan destroyed. Others I can make sense of, but not your reason.
Less Skaven-esque, more Ratty from Wind in the Willows. We're the nice, polite rat people. Skreet will probably be neutral-good.
XiahouXu: I was planning on having the warforged do an expedition to the north, to the big anti-magic hole in the world to get to the inner world. That is where the Skreet are, right? So they would meet?
Well I think Xeadin (spelled correctly) meant to spent a PP for an aid action, since he had one left. He might not have realized one needs to spend that. That would make it 12 v 12...
Gah, I don't know. I think I get to choose what happens to my artifacts. What do you think, Shadow?
Huh... I did not know that, Mechalibur.
Graxith-
If you want to battle Corelloth, you can.
Be careful, though- she is pretty powerful...
Of course, I didn't anticipate anyone and every one deciding to go after him either. Shurka and Eijra, I expected. Not so much anyone else.
Anyways, I'm just waiting on Hammu's response now, since Drevan is showing some interest in the court system of the gods ;)
I wasn't going to fight her, just talk to distract her and then make a quick retreat.
Huh?
In all honesty, I have no entirely sure. I jumped into this one blind, other than creating the Gray Wastes. So I'm making it up as I go along. :P
Of course, I didn't anticipate anyone and every one deciding to go after him either. Shurka and Eijra, I expected. Not so much anyone else.
Anyways, I'm just waiting on Hammu's response now, since Drevan is showing some interest in the court system of the gods ;)
Well, Azor'Chapien opposes Drevan due to the fact he moved Azora halfway across the world. You should of seen that one coming;)
Also, Azor'Chapien is still trieing to put an Offensive together to oppose Drevan.
Graxith-
If you want to battle Corelloth, you can.
Be careful, though- she is pretty powerful...
Err... not according to the rules she isnt... Graxith could, technically, throw her across the room without a second thought
Err... not according to the rules she isnt... Graxith could, technically, throw her across the room without a second thought
Time to go to sleep, good night ppl (I know that it is night in my country and not in yours but still... :p)
Also, I find it hilarious that I'm immediately being blamed for Eijra's insanity. Not bothered by it, but I definitly find it funny.
Sorry- I'm not flaming you, obviously- It's Torvek that has a serious problem with Corelloth. If she is planning to destroy the god's work, then he will try everything in his power to stop her from doing so- this time. He was unsuccessful when she destroyed his homeworld, since he was weaker...
He is wanting revenge against Corelloth, and is willing to finish her off- once and for all.
Mechalibur-
Don't underestimate Corelloth's powers...
True, but is anyone 100% positive that is what he's done? :D
Also, I find it hilarious that I'm immediately being blamed for Eijra's insanity. Not bothered by it, but I definitly find it funny.
Hey, you're a vampire who stole another god's powers. The gods will naturally blame you first, just for an excuse to kill you.
Whatever. I complain too much. Yeah, let's kill Drevan.
Whatever. I complain too much. Yeah, let's kill Drevan.
Thought no one would say it so flat-out!:D
This ought to be fun...
In fact, Honassia would be glad to send assassins out to discretly kill off the offending parties mortal figureheads [people who actually make a difference cost more]. That being said he'd also take up that offer from any god or mortal that came in if the price was right.
I have a feeling that this will get him into trouble sometimes. Truth be told though I was planning on that happening.
Xeadin, I think your artifact is over the limit?
What?
The only way to make it a Greater Artifact with a +2 Combat Bonus is to spend 2pp.
Angel, your guide doesn't make much sense, since there are no humites remaining around Terena . . . they all fled.
Xeadin, adding 2 PP to an artifact only increases it's combat bonus by 1. This action will make your Chakram a +3 cvombat artifact, not +6.
Catching up on some records real quick.
Angel, your guide doesn't make much sense, since there are no humites remaining around Terena . . . they all fled.
Xeadin, adding 2 PP to an artifact only increases it's combat bonus by 1. This action will make your Chakram a +3 cvombat artifact, not +6.
What?
I had not increased the combat bonus, because you guys had disagreed with me, so I did it now with the 4pp that I had.
Also, the +6 is the TOTAL Combat Bonus (4pp + 2)
Mechalibur, I laughed really hard at the end of your post.
As to why Vymrl hates Drevan, its the idea that a mortal could assume a god's power. If you remember, the fluff around S'kre says he was imprisoned in ice and bound to Vymrl's will to prevent just such an occurrence.
Edit: He said humites. That would be all of them.
And things are really heating up on the god conflict score.. well it was inevitable factoring in the whole vampire stealing the oldest gods divine spark thing :embarrass
Also, having a mere exarch "checking" on Hammu at this particular juncture is likely to get her crushed if she starts anything, personal backstory or no.
Massive, Winter's behavior in Beacon reminds me strongly of an ill-advised romantic entanglement I had a few years back. :P
I'm writing a long post now, but the forums are still in and out for me. I'll try to post tonight and not keep Draeven waiting. :D
Xeadin, your posts have Dolastre both at the Storehouse of Light and at Beacon. Which is it?
Also, having a mere exarch "checking" on Hammu at this particular juncture is likely to get her crushed if she starts anything, personal backstory or no.
She's at Beacon. What made you think that she was at the Storehouse of Light? I've never even heard of it...
Corelloth will try to persuade Hammu that she is doing nothing that would 'harm' anyone. Dolestre is trying to deliver the message that Corelloth is trying to destroy one of the Planes of Existence.
She's at Beacon. What made you think that she was at the Storehouse of Light? I've never even heard of it...
Well, there's this post...
Dolestre sees the bubble and refrains from getting close. "Traps are never a good thing. I'm no mortal, but I do not like traps..."
She finally gathers up her courage. "While I'm here, I have an urgent message to give to you all. This may not be as good as it seems, but I need to tell you all about something that is going to happen if we don't act quickly."
Well, there's this post...
Well, I thought that this was at the Court of the Magistrate... I guess I miscalculated...
Cursed Not Having a Computer at Home... :raincloud
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Gotta log out soon... See you all tomorrow! :D
Mech, you should post this
Oh great, so I don't get as much PP because every other creature on the world wants to kill the humites. Lovely. I try to avoid this happening by them being open and friendly, but that doesn't seem to matter at all. Or because Shurka doesn't really care that much about followers as other gods. I don't want to break character for more PP.
Whatever. I complain too much. Yeah, let's kill Drevan.
in the Best Lines Ever II thread. I found it hilarious. :D
A few questions about the "immortal servant" rule:
1. Is it mandatory for all "immortal" subtype creature to have it?
2. What are the advantages\disadvantages for that?
Since I have some spare point if we are waiting another turn to take over Drevan i think It is time for me to spawn my demon-like creatures.
Oh great, so I don't get as much PP because every other creature on the world wants to kill the humites. Lovely. I try to avoid this happening by them being open and friendly, but that doesn't seem to matter at all. Or because Shurka doesn't really care that much about followers as other gods. I don't want to break character for more PP.
Whatever. I complain too much. Yeah, let's kill Drevan.
Hehe, I don't dislike them :p nor I want to kill them (the only direct action I have taken toward Terena is a nourish after all) and the Free Nation invasion was quite soft... beside soon the Free Nations will leave the war as Hensen have shaped new minions to aid Vymrl in his conquest.
Glad that in the end you decided to keep Shurka btw :P
Rules, Corelloth is an Exarch, and can be taken down with 3 pp, I think. Alternately you can take that power away from her, as she is her exarch. Now I'm all for the RP situation you came up with, but how can we get it in the rules? I'd rather not make special exemptions just for this problem.
Mech, you should post this
in the Best Lines Ever II thread. I found it hilarious. :D
Did I forget to mention that Torvek has absolutely NO CONTROL over Corelloth?
That means that she is all on her own. Also, she can't die like normal Exarches. If she did, then that would be one weak boss... By the rules, she is an exarch, and is therefore quite swattable by any of us. If you'd like us to treat her differently, you should take that up with Shadow. One idea I could think of is that the two of you are 'one' God, sort of like how Mara is Summer and Winter Mara. I know that story-wise, this is not at all similar to how Torvek and Correloth get along. However, we're all playing this game together, and we are each given the same starting components and must adhere to the same rules... one of which is that we play ONE God, not a whole Pantheon, which is why I think that a solution like the one outlined above would probably be your best bet (Shadow, what do you think?).
But Creating a foe that is scheming to destroy us, and 'can't die like normal exarchs' is, in my opinion, breaking the rules. Please remember that we're all playing in this game and we all are constrained by the same set of rules, and creating things that lie beyond those rules or bend them without talking about it here diminishes the ability for all of us to have a good time.
All that said... I really like the characters you've created, Xeadin, and I think the story you're telling has a lot of promise, and I look forward to interacting with and snarling at Correloth in the future. Mechanically, though, we need to figure out a way to fit your characters into the framework that is the game.
Xeadin, you don't get to make up rules :P
By the rules, she is an exarch, and is therefore quite swattable by any of us. If you'd like us to treat her differently, you should take that up with Shadow. One idea I could think of is that the two of you are 'one' God, sort of like how Mara is Summer and Winter Mara. I know that story-wise, this is not at all similar to how Torvek and Correloth get along. However, we're all playing this game together, and we are each given the same starting components and must adhere to the same rules... one of which is that we play ONE God, not a whole Pantheon, which is why I think that a solution like the one outlined above would probably be your best bet (Shadow, what do you think?).
But Creating a foe that has is scheming to destroy us, and 'can't die like normal exarchs' is, in my opinion, breaking the rules. Please remember that we're all playing in this game and we all are constrained by the same set of rules, and creating things that lie beyond those rules or bend them without talking about it here diminishes the ability for all of us to have a good time.
All that said... I really like the characters you've created, Xeadin, and I think the story you're telling has a lot of promise, and I look forward to interacting with and snarling at Correloth in the future. Mechanically, though, we need to figure out a way to fit your characters into the framework that is the game.
Yeah- we need someway to work that out. I think that idea may work. I just need to make sure that Corelloth still acts as the same villian that she is now, because that would go against my morals if she doesn't. Also, Dolestre is a Hero as well, so... hmmm...
Topheh- that idea may work! :D
Hmm... although we run into issues if we attack and imprison Correloth, as by the rules that means you dont get to use PP. But thats a) in the future, and b) above my pay grade for sure *nods*
Btw wanna keep going on mortal stories?
lol a few hours off and I missed the fun (and it was not that hard to free Veros apparently).
A few questions about the "immortal servant" rule:
1. Is it mandatory for all "immortal" subtype creature to have it?
2. What are the advantages\disadvantages for that?
Since I have some spare point if we are waiting another turn to take over Drevan i think It is time for me to spawn my demon-like creatures.
Different creatures have different properties. The "Immortal Servants" rule acts to give a god a personal army in a way. So I'll answer those separately.
1: Not all Immortal creatures are Divine Servants. Angels for example are explicitly NOT and thus require guides and function exactly as any mortal race. Not all Immortals are Divine Servants, not all divine Servants are Immortals.
2: Divine servants IIRC require no Guides to order around, however in return they do not "count" for your influence. This means that they do not affect PP growth, thus making them similar to an "Exarch Populace", though without the ability to participate in Divine combat.
That of course leaves a third question...
3: Is it possible to create a conglomerate Exarch composed of a group of Immortal Servants? Who else wants the "Army of the nine Hells" to be an Exarch taking part in Divine Combat? or maybe j7ust a Mold/Nourish Exarch that's used exclusively to break things...
1PP Create Artifact: The rubble falls in ordered fashion into the space vacated by the Courts. The Marshal's Refuge shields Beacon from destruction- it must be neutralized before Denourish can affect Beacon's populace.
Is this valid? It seems to violate previous precedent rulings, but I'm not sure.
Is this valid? It seems to violate previous precedent rulings, but I'm not sure.
I personally don't know if it's valid, But I would be willing to Roleplay it like that if I ever have any reason to denourish them.
Edit: Shadow, you seem to have a gift for knowing exactly what to say, htat must be very handy. I don't mind if you join, but it's Topheh's library and I'm just a guest, so it's up to him.
Wyld has the Divine Servant thing mostly down. However, Divine Servants must have the immortal sub-type, though not all immortals are divine servants.
As for the idea of exarching a group of people, as posited in Wyld's point 3, yes, that is a viable concept. (I believe we had an exarch like that in the last game, a group of warriors damned by the War god Eckral, to fight until they regained their honor. It's composition was always changing, but it's effects remained the same.)
And for those who are wondering, yes, gNoth serves a purpose. I still remember the discussion we had on addictive-substance requiring classes and my psychiatrist class (paragon path for Psion, I've decided). Assuming I dont need my PP for dramatics next turn, expect them to appear
Also, I find it hilarious that I'm immediately being blamed for Eijra's insanity. Not bothered by it, but I definitly find it funny.
Sorry- I'm not flaming you, obviously- It's Torvek that has a serious problem with Corelloth. If she is planning to destroy the god's work, then he will try everything in his power to stop her from doing so- this time. He was unsuccessful when she destroyed his homeworld, since he was weaker...
He is wanting revenge against Corelloth, and is willing to finish her off- once and for all.
Mechalibur-
Don't underestimate Corelloth's powers...
True, but is anyone 100% positive that is what he's done? :D
Also, I find it hilarious that I'm immediately being blamed for Eijra's insanity. Not bothered by it, but I definitly find it funny.
Hey, you're a vampire who stole another god's powers. The gods will naturally blame you first, just for an excuse to kill you.
Whatever. I complain too much. Yeah, let's kill Drevan.
Whatever. I complain too much. Yeah, let's kill Drevan.
Thought no one would say it so flat-out!:D
This ought to be fun...
In fact, Honassia would be glad to send assassins out to discretly kill off the offending parties mortal figureheads [people who actually make a difference cost more]. That being said he'd also take up that offer from any god or mortal that came in if the price was right.
I have a feeling that this will get him into trouble sometimes. Truth be told though I was planning on that happening.
Xeadin, I think your artifact is over the limit?
What?
The only way to make it a Greater Artifact with a +2 Combat Bonus is to spend 2pp.
Angel, your guide doesn't make much sense, since there are no humites remaining around Terena . . . they all fled.
Xeadin, adding 2 PP to an artifact only increases it's combat bonus by 1. This action will make your Chakram a +3 cvombat artifact, not +6.
Catching up on some records real quick.
Angel, your guide doesn't make much sense, since there are no humites remaining around Terena . . . they all fled.
Xeadin, adding 2 PP to an artifact only increases it's combat bonus by 1. This action will make your Chakram a +3 cvombat artifact, not +6.
What?
I had not increased the combat bonus, because you guys had disagreed with me, so I did it now with the 4pp that I had.
Also, the +6 is the TOTAL Combat Bonus (4pp + 2)
Mechalibur, I laughed really hard at the end of your post.
As to why Vymrl hates Drevan, its the idea that a mortal could assume a god's power. If you remember, the fluff around S'kre says he was imprisoned in ice and bound to Vymrl's will to prevent just such an occurrence.
Edit: He said humites. That would be all of them.
And things are really heating up on the god conflict score.. well it was inevitable factoring in the whole vampire stealing the oldest gods divine spark thing :embarrass
Also, having a mere exarch "checking" on Hammu at this particular juncture is likely to get her crushed if she starts anything, personal backstory or no.
Massive, Winter's behavior in Beacon reminds me strongly of an ill-advised romantic entanglement I had a few years back. :P
I'm writing a long post now, but the forums are still in and out for me. I'll try to post tonight and not keep Draeven waiting. :D
Xeadin, your posts have Dolastre both at the Storehouse of Light and at Beacon. Which is it?
Also, having a mere exarch "checking" on Hammu at this particular juncture is likely to get her crushed if she starts anything, personal backstory or no.
She's at Beacon. What made you think that she was at the Storehouse of Light? I've never even heard of it...
Corelloth will try to persuade Hammu that she is doing nothing that would 'harm' anyone. Dolestre is trying to deliver the message that Corelloth is trying to destroy one of the Planes of Existence.
She's at Beacon. What made you think that she was at the Storehouse of Light? I've never even heard of it...
Well, there's this post...
Dolestre sees the bubble and refrains from getting close. "Traps are never a good thing. I'm no mortal, but I do not like traps..."
She finally gathers up her courage. "While I'm here, I have an urgent message to give to you all. This may not be as good as it seems, but I need to tell you all about something that is going to happen if we don't act quickly."
Well, there's this post...
Well, I thought that this was at the Court of the Magistrate... I guess I miscalculated...
Cursed Not Having a Computer at Home... :raincloud
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Gotta log out soon... See you all tomorrow! :D
Mech, you should post this
Oh great, so I don't get as much PP because every other creature on the world wants to kill the humites. Lovely. I try to avoid this happening by them being open and friendly, but that doesn't seem to matter at all. Or because Shurka doesn't really care that much about followers as other gods. I don't want to break character for more PP.
Whatever. I complain too much. Yeah, let's kill Drevan.
in the Best Lines Ever II thread. I found it hilarious. :D
A few questions about the "immortal servant" rule:
1. Is it mandatory for all "immortal" subtype creature to have it?
2. What are the advantages\disadvantages for that?
Since I have some spare point if we are waiting another turn to take over Drevan i think It is time for me to spawn my demon-like creatures.
Oh great, so I don't get as much PP because every other creature on the world wants to kill the humites. Lovely. I try to avoid this happening by them being open and friendly, but that doesn't seem to matter at all. Or because Shurka doesn't really care that much about followers as other gods. I don't want to break character for more PP.
Whatever. I complain too much. Yeah, let's kill Drevan.
Hehe, I don't dislike them :p nor I want to kill them (the only direct action I have taken toward Terena is a nourish after all) and the Free Nation invasion was quite soft... beside soon the Free Nations will leave the war as Hensen have shaped new minions to aid Vymrl in his conquest.
Glad that in the end you decided to keep Shurka btw :P
Rules, Corelloth is an Exarch, and can be taken down with 3 pp, I think. Alternately you can take that power away from her, as she is her exarch. Now I'm all for the RP situation you came up with, but how can we get it in the rules? I'd rather not make special exemptions just for this problem.
Mech, you should post this
in the Best Lines Ever II thread. I found it hilarious. :D
Did I forget to mention that Torvek has absolutely NO CONTROL over Corelloth?
That means that she is all on her own. Also, she can't die like normal Exarches. If she did, then that would be one weak boss... By the rules, she is an exarch, and is therefore quite swattable by any of us. If you'd like us to treat her differently, you should take that up with Shadow. One idea I could think of is that the two of you are 'one' God, sort of like how Mara is Summer and Winter Mara. I know that story-wise, this is not at all similar to how Torvek and Correloth get along. However, we're all playing this game together, and we are each given the same starting components and must adhere to the same rules... one of which is that we play ONE God, not a whole Pantheon, which is why I think that a solution like the one outlined above would probably be your best bet (Shadow, what do you think?).
But Creating a foe that is scheming to destroy us, and 'can't die like normal exarchs' is, in my opinion, breaking the rules. Please remember that we're all playing in this game and we all are constrained by the same set of rules, and creating things that lie beyond those rules or bend them without talking about it here diminishes the ability for all of us to have a good time.
All that said... I really like the characters you've created, Xeadin, and I think the story you're telling has a lot of promise, and I look forward to interacting with and snarling at Correloth in the future. Mechanically, though, we need to figure out a way to fit your characters into the framework that is the game.
Xeadin, you don't get to make up rules :P
By the rules, she is an exarch, and is therefore quite swattable by any of us. If you'd like us to treat her differently, you should take that up with Shadow. One idea I could think of is that the two of you are 'one' God, sort of like how Mara is Summer and Winter Mara. I know that story-wise, this is not at all similar to how Torvek and Correloth get along. However, we're all playing this game together, and we are each given the same starting components and must adhere to the same rules... one of which is that we play ONE God, not a whole Pantheon, which is why I think that a solution like the one outlined above would probably be your best bet (Shadow, what do you think?).
But Creating a foe that has is scheming to destroy us, and 'can't die like normal exarchs' is, in my opinion, breaking the rules. Please remember that we're all playing in this game and we all are constrained by the same set of rules, and creating things that lie beyond those rules or bend them without talking about it here diminishes the ability for all of us to have a good time.
All that said... I really like the characters you've created, Xeadin, and I think the story you're telling has a lot of promise, and I look forward to interacting with and snarling at Correloth in the future. Mechanically, though, we need to figure out a way to fit your characters into the framework that is the game.
Yeah- we need someway to work that out. I think that idea may work. I just need to make sure that Corelloth still acts as the same villian that she is now, because that would go against my morals if she doesn't. Also, Dolestre is a Hero as well, so... hmmm...
Topheh- that idea may work! :D
Hmm... although we run into issues if we attack and imprison Correloth, as by the rules that means you dont get to use PP. But thats a) in the future, and b) above my pay grade for sure *nods*
Btw wanna keep going on mortal stories?
lol a few hours off and I missed the fun (and it was not that hard to free Veros apparently).
A few questions about the "immortal servant" rule:
1. Is it mandatory for all "immortal" subtype creature to have it?
2. What are the advantages\disadvantages for that?
Since I have some spare point if we are waiting another turn to take over Drevan i think It is time for me to spawn my demon-like creatures.
Different creatures have different properties. The "Immortal Servants" rule acts to give a god a personal army in a way. So I'll answer those separately.
1: Not all Immortal creatures are Divine Servants. Angels for example are explicitly NOT and thus require guides and function exactly as any mortal race. Not all Immortals are Divine Servants, not all divine Servants are Immortals.
2: Divine servants IIRC require no Guides to order around, however in return they do not "count" for your influence. This means that they do not affect PP growth, thus making them similar to an "Exarch Populace", though without the ability to participate in Divine combat.
That of course leaves a third question...
3: Is it possible to create a conglomerate Exarch composed of a group of Immortal Servants? Who else wants the "Army of the nine Hells" to be an Exarch taking part in Divine Combat? or maybe j7ust a Mold/Nourish Exarch that's used exclusively to break things...
1PP Create Artifact: The rubble falls in ordered fashion into the space vacated by the Courts. The Marshal's Refuge shields Beacon from destruction- it must be neutralized before Denourish can affect Beacon's populace.
Is this valid? It seems to violate previous precedent rulings, but I'm not sure.
Is this valid? It seems to violate previous precedent rulings, but I'm not sure.
I personally don't know if it's valid, But I would be willing to Roleplay it like that if I ever have any reason to denourish them.
Edit: Shadow, you seem to have a gift for knowing exactly what to say, htat must be very handy. I don't mind if you join, but it's Topheh's library and I'm just a guest, so it's up to him.
Wyld has the Divine Servant thing mostly down. However, Divine Servants must have the immortal sub-type, though not all immortals are divine servants.
As for the idea of exarching a group of people, as posited in Wyld's point 3, yes, that is a viable concept. (I believe we had an exarch like that in the last game, a group of warriors damned by the War god Eckral, to fight until they regained their honor. It's composition was always changing, but it's effects remained the same.)
And for those who are wondering, yes, gNoth serves a purpose. I still remember the discussion we had on addictive-substance requiring classes and my psychiatrist class (paragon path for Psion, I've decided). Assuming I dont need my PP for dramatics next turn, expect them to appear
No, I don't think it's valid. In order for an artifact to stop an action, it has to be potent enough to counter the action itself (ie. a PP producing artifact).
I disagree. Mechalibur did a similar thing in this post, using Nourishes instead of an artifact, but fluffed as a shield that would negate the next denourish.
The difference between what mechalibur did (and what I want to do) and what you're talking about with a PP producing artifact is that the PP artifact would counter 1 denourish every turn. My artifact would have to be removed before denourishing, but it only works once. It is mechanically similar to a 1PP version of Mechalibur's "shield", apart from requiring Decreate PP to remove instead of Denourish.
Edit: I'm going to go into my proccess a little more.
Doing it as a nourish, on a mechanical point of view, literally makes the race stronger against de-nourishes and such in the future, where as an artifact must be tracked seperately, and it's not the way artifacts work. Artifacts provide immediate benefits, and stronger ones provide combat or PP. A PP artifact can be made to negate actions, simply by using it as such. Outside of that function, artifacts don't negate godly actions. So technically, AngeloftheNight's Shroud of Veros doesn't work either.
The nourish defense literally makes the people stronger, so they can be said to be strong enough to simply shrug off and ignore the next de-nourish. It's simply for me tyo record, and a snap to organize and use.
I'll edit my post.
http://jubal.westnet.com/hyperdiscordia/library_of_babel.html
Its a concept thats stuck with me for a long time and I'm sorta excited to create a version of it.
Its not 'infinite' per say (one COULD walk from top to bottom, although that would be a very long trip), but it will expand to contain the books it needs to. One of the reasons why I created a constantly updating index, so there are no troubles with the constantly shifting shelves
Question: How do we get to that demi- plane?
It might be challenging...
...or was that Drahthor?
But, if you insist... I might take that risk. Even though Hammu can kill Torvek in one hit...
Speaking of which, whiles I'm thinking about it, this one is up to the general populace, to get opinions. Clearly, Xeadin's concept requires that Corelloth be a viable threat, even to a god. As an exarch, this is not truly possible, unless we all want to play along.
How does everyone feel about making Torvek and Corelloth twin sides of the same coin, in a similar manner to Winter and Summer Mara. What effects one of them will affect the other, and so forth.
As a personal note, I think it would lead to an amusing story, since Torvek would have to destroy himself to destroy Corelloth. I'm abstaining my own preference for now.
Drahthor was the one who had a problem with Torvek . . .
Speaking of which, whiles I'm thinking about it, this one is up to the general populace, to get opinions. Clearly, Xeadin's concept requires that Corelloth be a viable threat, even to a god. As an exarch, this is not truly possible, unless we all want to play along.
How does everyone feel about making Torvek and Corelloth twin sides of the same coin, in a similar manner to Winter and Summer Mara. What effects one of them will affect the other, and so forth.
As a personal note, I think it would lead to an amusing story, since Torvek would have to destroy himself to destroy Corelloth. I'm abstaining my own preference for now.
Um... Destroy... my... character...? Why?
I honestly did not expect that...
Ugghh... Why did Drahthor have to hate Torvek?
RITREAUDE- YOU KNOW
WELL THAT TORVEK WAS TOO WEAK!!!And I'll need to find a way to get in touch with one of the two gods (the Bronze Pantheon is quite low in number recently hehe).
Um... Destroy... my... character...? Why?
I honestly did not expect that...
Ugghh... Why did Drahthor have to hate Torvek?
He hated you because you wanted the Sun domain, to take credit for his Sun. . . . of course, his Sun was unecessary, since the old one worked perfectly well . . . somebody should have mentioned that to him.
In order for Corelloth to be a viable threat, able to fight other gods and win, she has to be an actual god, not just an exarch. The only way for her to be a god while you continue to play Torvek would be if you were both two halves of the same god (consider that dragon god Io, who was split to become Bahamut and Tiamat. The same kind of deal). Both would share the same PP pool, but it would make her capable of actually engaging in divine combat and winning.
However, it carries the downside of being the same god. If someone attacks and imprisons one of them (Torvek or Corelloth), then the other one is imprisoned as well, unable to spend PP. At attack on the followers of one, weakens the other. And they are eternally matched, neighter able to gain the upper hand (barring combat artifacts, which could alter the fight. Of course, any fight between your own god and his other half would be pure fluff, and you could dictate how you wish.)
Otherwise, Corelloth is simply not capable of being the threat you envision her to be, and is simply an exarch. Were some one to try and fight her (technically possible) she has a combat bonus of 1, meaning even a newborn god can defeat her. Even if she gathers four combat artifacts, she can be beaten by most gods single handedly (even Torvek).
If Torvek was the Exarch- He would be no match for her...
If Corelloth was the Exarch, then that wouldn't be a fair fight...
I want to even out the playing field... but I guess it's not possible... GRRRRR!!!
I'm starting to hate myself now...
There would be a certain beauty to it... Gods thrown from another reality, tied together in battle until one kills the other who find that attacks from other gods weaken both of them, due to their linked nature.
Ahh so many interesting things to get involved with and so small amount of time for doing that :p
Anyway some new stuff (that I'll soon post on the wiki)
Free Nations City States
Notable City States
Due to the insular nature of the Free Nation almost every city state is a port, or control minor ports nearby. The City States have the power to choose their own form of government and enjoy a large freedom in regulation however for common matters they usually follow the lead of the Eldest Council of Freedomguard.
Freedomguard, the first city built by the Free Nations, created on a group of bloodstone pillars on the place where they landed on Bloodmyst after their escape from the clutches of the Beholders, it is now the de facto capital of the nation. Freedomguard control the other city states by a combination of military, economical and religious superiority. It is the seat of the Eldest Council, the ruling body of the Priesthood of Change, that is also the governing power of Freedomguard. It hosts the Hanvis Machine that allows the production of Bloodstone Technology and the Bloodways.
Freedomguard is an impressive city most of its structures are carved into massive red stone pillars that emerge directly from the seas and are connected by a series of bridges or small boats that navigate the sea between the pillars. The best artificers of the Free Nation keep providing new wonders for the city state and its vast workshops and forges produce a never ending stream of goods.
One of the central feature of Fredoomguard is the Palace of the People the hart of Free Nations’ government, seat of the Eldest Council and main barrack of the Bloodguard, it occupy a cluster of pillars that form a majestic combination of natural towers, water is channeled through the structure to create small rivers and then falling to the sea. The palace is full of wonders and works of art, crafted by the best artists from the known world.
The city is surrounded by a defensive ring of towers called the Crown of Fangs, equipped with burst cannons and other wicked bloodstone weapons.
Novost, is the accursed place where an unnamed alchemist created the drug known as the Elixir of Sin and where the first artificial bloodborn was given life. Novost is ruled by its powerful army and use his military power to intimidate lesser city and secretly fund pirates to sabotage merchants of other fleets. It is commanded by a Lord General nominated for life and able to choose his successor, in the last millennia he was always chosen within the same family, the Nograv Kos house, however most of them were quite skilled military leaders and expert fighters as the whole family is subjected to an harsh training starting when they are really young. Novost is built on the shores of one of the external islands of the Archipelago, not far by the “bridge” that connect Bloodmyst with the western continent. It was carved in the cliff of a mountain originally, but it has outgrown it and is now surrounded by thousands of stone structures. Novost architecture is based on the principle of utility over appearance and to achieve defensive purposes. Its core is built like a fortress city, able to sustain a prolonged siege and extending deep within the mountain. Its soldier keep constant training for future wars and most of its economy is focused on increasing the efficiency of the army and of the “trading” and “escort” fleets.
Its main source of income, a part from oceanic trade with the Warforged and Beacon, is the production within its laboratories of vast amount of Bloodgift, while the secret has being stolen by agents from foreign city states this powerful alchemical drug production is still located here.
Novost is the only city state that possess an army composed fully of artificial Bloodborn, recruitment for joining it is extremely selective an training is almost deadly, but after a few years a recruit is granted access to the unholy procedure that allow the transformation of a mortal into one of the Bloodborn, a process whose success is far from certain and can determine the death of the patient.
Toraga is a quite unconventional city that is capable of prospering only due to the live and let live attitude of the Free Nation and, someone speculate, some kind of hidden agreement between them and Freedomguard. While its name of Toraga is well known it is most commonly called Pirates Heaven or Scumtown by the other inhabitants of the Free Nations.
It is the capital of smugglers, pirates, killers, disgraced, one of the major trading center for stolen goods and illegal items, full of cheap tavern and brothels every crime known to mankind is committed there, except for slavery that is considered a terrible sin in the Free Nations, even for pirates. It is built in a swampy area of the archipelago, it is quite hard for unskilled captains to get there and by land it is even harder. The pirates have filled the local sea with traps that increase the complexity of navigation, only Toraga captains know the safe ways to it. With the introduction of flying vessels weakening the city natural defense its “governors” the 7 Pirate Lords offered a fortune to pirates that are skilled or crazy enough to bring them the Dragon Class Ships and managed to some for themselves, becoming even more dangerous and creating a “sky patrol” to protect Toraga from the marine incursions. Due to their pact with unseen members of Freedomguard government they always manage to discover any attempt to purge the city in time before the marine strike and is capable of stopping them.
Due to the low quality of local building materials and the effect of the swamp the city is slowly sinking in the sea and since organized public work does not exist there nothing have being done for now to prevent that from happening, the pirates merely build new structure over the sunken ones or do fast, but not long lasting, reparation to the remaining structures.
A large Besasts of Lies’ pack operate in the swamps nearby and the pirates and adventurers that visit the city are often challenged to bring one of the beasts colorful hides as a proof of their skills, some time with (usually false) promise of a rich reward. This hunts rarely succeed the usual outcome is the death of the would be hunters and a quick drink in their honor at a local inn.
Vassen is a city state ruled by “Trade Princes”, the richest merchant in town, the government is actually semi “representative” because the Prince title can be gained by votes from the city inhabitants, however it is a tradition there that the “princes” usually pay for their votes, offering favors, jobs, or occasionally cash, people that are not played by someone usually just choose not to vote. Corruption run rampant in Vassen as the Princes use their political power to increase personal wealth and influence, however the peculiar inheritance system of the Free Nation, make so that the title of prince is rarely held by the same family for much and that usually these lords are quite skilled men or women and manage to increase the city wealth while working on their own.
After the introduction of currency within the Free Nations Trade Lord Wulfric, the leader of the princes, managed to obtain from Freedomguard a special authorization to create coins so Free Nation shields are made only in Vassen and in the capital. The palace of coin is a fortress well protected by a chosen Bloodborn guard as a massive amount of precious metals and coins is stored there.
Vassen is located in a natural port in the southern part of the archipelago, the city have grown around it in a quite chaotic way, as most district expand when their Trade Prince patron is rich and then fall in despair when his coffers run dries. Many architectural styles are represented in Vassen and the presence of foreigner is only inferior to Freedomguard. One of the most important feature of the city is the Major Market, that constitute the core of the town and is not under the influence of any Trade Lord, but operated with funds from the city coffers, it is considered a sign of prestige to donate the money to favor the development of the Major Market so it its marketplaces are usually well cared and the district is rich of buildings that are true marvels of architecture.
A part from Bloodguard that protect the coinage of Free Nations’ shields Vassen have no permanent military or militia, but the Trade Prince command vast personal forces of mercenary and trusted servants that are used to provide some sort of security. Many of the princes used these personal “armies” as a way to increase their control over the city, however they rarely resort to violence. The city also has a large number of artificers and a production of Bloodstone Weaponry especially personal weapons and guns that are almost considered works of art in the other cities.
Nitha is an isolated monastery city, its inhabitants did not want to be involved in Free Nations politics and so founded a small community within an island far from Freedomguard, they are occasionally visited by small commercial vessels that bring them the goods that they can’t produce by themselves and new recruits that want to join them. The monastery city is located on a large pure bloodstone vein harvested by the monks that have become quite rich by selling and refining it. The pure bloodstone is used to produce a less intrusive and addictive variation of the Elixir of Sin that is used by the monks to achieve a better communion with their god. The city is built on the top of a large mountain and is accessible only by a small passage that lead to the sea or by air, after an assault by a group of pirates that attempted to conquer the monastery for themselves it is protected by a cluster of burst cannon and a group of monks trained in the art of war.
The monastery is built in stone, structured like a large fortress within its wall live a large community, it host many temples within it, as the Free Nation have a total freedom in religion, while the one of Hensen is the largest the city has many worshipers of other gods, primarily Shurka and Kiptar.
The monastery itself is a place where free thinking is encouraged and produces many of the greatest philosophers and scientists in the Free Nation, the monks are able to teach techniques that open the mind of those who practice it, increasing creativity and personal potential. Some of the monks are part of the Hydra Society and they enjoy a friendly relation with the organization that keep one of its main center of power within the monastery city.
Unknown to the rest of the world, and to most of the monks a group of Unshaped reside within the bloodstone mining complex, there they research twisted magic that will, one day, allow them freedom of movement in creation and occasionally posses the pilgrims and monks in order to spread their own influence in the Free Nations.
Notable City States
Due to the insular nature of the Free Nation almost every city state is a port, or control minor ports nearby. The City States have the power to choose their own form of government and enjoy a large freedom in regulation however for common matters they usually follow the lead of the Eldest Council of Freedomguard.
Freedomguard, the first city built by the Free Nations, created on a group of bloodstone pillars on the place where they landed on Bloodmyst after their escape from the clutches of the Beholders, it is now the de facto capital of the nation. Freedomguard control the other city states by a combination of military, economical and religious superiority. It is the seat of the Eldest Council, the ruling body of the Priesthood of Change, that is also the governing power of Freedomguard. It hosts the Hanvis Machine that allows the production of Bloodstone Technology and the Bloodways.
Freedomguard is an impressive city most of its structures are carved into massive red stone pillars that emerge directly from the seas and are connected by a series of bridges or small boats that navigate the sea between the pillars. The best artificers of the Free Nation keep providing new wonders for the city state and its vast workshops and forges produce a never ending stream of goods.
One of the central feature of Fredoomguard is the Palace of the People the hart of Free Nations’ government, seat of the Eldest Council and main barrack of the Bloodguard, it occupy a cluster of pillars that form a majestic combination of natural towers, water is channeled through the structure to create small rivers and then falling to the sea. The palace is full of wonders and works of art, crafted by the best artists from the known world.
The city is surrounded by a defensive ring of towers called the Crown of Fangs, equipped with burst cannons and other wicked bloodstone weapons.
Novost, is the accursed place where an unnamed alchemist created the drug known as the Elixir of Sin and where the first artificial bloodborn was given life. Novost is ruled by its powerful army and use his military power to intimidate lesser city and secretly fund pirates to sabotage merchants of other fleets. It is commanded by a Lord General nominated for life and able to choose his successor, in the last millennia he was always chosen within the same family, the Nograv Kos house, however most of them were quite skilled military leaders and expert fighters as the whole family is subjected to an harsh training starting when they are really young. Novost is built on the shores of one of the external islands of the Archipelago, not far by the “bridge” that connect Bloodmyst with the western continent. It was carved in the cliff of a mountain originally, but it has outgrown it and is now surrounded by thousands of stone structures. Novost architecture is based on the principle of utility over appearance and to achieve defensive purposes. Its core is built like a fortress city, able to sustain a prolonged siege and extending deep within the mountain. Its soldier keep constant training for future wars and most of its economy is focused on increasing the efficiency of the army and of the “trading” and “escort” fleets.
Its main source of income, a part from oceanic trade with the Warforged and Beacon, is the production within its laboratories of vast amount of Bloodgift, while the secret has being stolen by agents from foreign city states this powerful alchemical drug production is still located here.
Novost is the only city state that possess an army composed fully of artificial Bloodborn, recruitment for joining it is extremely selective an training is almost deadly, but after a few years a recruit is granted access to the unholy procedure that allow the transformation of a mortal into one of the Bloodborn, a process whose success is far from certain and can determine the death of the patient.
Toraga is a quite unconventional city that is capable of prospering only due to the live and let live attitude of the Free Nation and, someone speculate, some kind of hidden agreement between them and Freedomguard. While its name of Toraga is well known it is most commonly called Pirates Heaven or Scumtown by the other inhabitants of the Free Nations.
It is the capital of smugglers, pirates, killers, disgraced, one of the major trading center for stolen goods and illegal items, full of cheap tavern and brothels every crime known to mankind is committed there, except for slavery that is considered a terrible sin in the Free Nations, even for pirates. It is built in a swampy area of the archipelago, it is quite hard for unskilled captains to get there and by land it is even harder. The pirates have filled the local sea with traps that increase the complexity of navigation, only Toraga captains know the safe ways to it. With the introduction of flying vessels weakening the city natural defense its “governors” the 7 Pirate Lords offered a fortune to pirates that are skilled or crazy enough to bring them the Dragon Class Ships and managed to some for themselves, becoming even more dangerous and creating a “sky patrol” to protect Toraga from the marine incursions. Due to their pact with unseen members of Freedomguard government they always manage to discover any attempt to purge the city in time before the marine strike and is capable of stopping them.
Due to the low quality of local building materials and the effect of the swamp the city is slowly sinking in the sea and since organized public work does not exist there nothing have being done for now to prevent that from happening, the pirates merely build new structure over the sunken ones or do fast, but not long lasting, reparation to the remaining structures.
A large Besasts of Lies’ pack operate in the swamps nearby and the pirates and adventurers that visit the city are often challenged to bring one of the beasts colorful hides as a proof of their skills, some time with (usually false) promise of a rich reward. This hunts rarely succeed the usual outcome is the death of the would be hunters and a quick drink in their honor at a local inn.
Vassen is a city state ruled by “Trade Princes”, the richest merchant in town, the government is actually semi “representative” because the Prince title can be gained by votes from the city inhabitants, however it is a tradition there that the “princes” usually pay for their votes, offering favors, jobs, or occasionally cash, people that are not played by someone usually just choose not to vote. Corruption run rampant in Vassen as the Princes use their political power to increase personal wealth and influence, however the peculiar inheritance system of the Free Nation, make so that the title of prince is rarely held by the same family for much and that usually these lords are quite skilled men or women and manage to increase the city wealth while working on their own.
After the introduction of currency within the Free Nations Trade Lord Wulfric, the leader of the princes, managed to obtain from Freedomguard a special authorization to create coins so Free Nation shields are made only in Vassen and in the capital. The palace of coin is a fortress well protected by a chosen Bloodborn guard as a massive amount of precious metals and coins is stored there.
Vassen is located in a natural port in the southern part of the archipelago, the city have grown around it in a quite chaotic way, as most district expand when their Trade Prince patron is rich and then fall in despair when his coffers run dries. Many architectural styles are represented in Vassen and the presence of foreigner is only inferior to Freedomguard. One of the most important feature of the city is the Major Market, that constitute the core of the town and is not under the influence of any Trade Lord, but operated with funds from the city coffers, it is considered a sign of prestige to donate the money to favor the development of the Major Market so it its marketplaces are usually well cared and the district is rich of buildings that are true marvels of architecture.
A part from Bloodguard that protect the coinage of Free Nations’ shields Vassen have no permanent military or militia, but the Trade Prince command vast personal forces of mercenary and trusted servants that are used to provide some sort of security. Many of the princes used these personal “armies” as a way to increase their control over the city, however they rarely resort to violence. The city also has a large number of artificers and a production of Bloodstone Weaponry especially personal weapons and guns that are almost considered works of art in the other cities.
Nitha is an isolated monastery city, its inhabitants did not want to be involved in Free Nations politics and so founded a small community within an island far from Freedomguard, they are occasionally visited by small commercial vessels that bring them the goods that they can’t produce by themselves and new recruits that want to join them. The monastery city is located on a large pure bloodstone vein harvested by the monks that have become quite rich by selling and refining it. The pure bloodstone is used to produce a less intrusive and addictive variation of the Elixir of Sin that is used by the monks to achieve a better communion with their god. The city is built on the top of a large mountain and is accessible only by a small passage that lead to the sea or by air, after an assault by a group of pirates that attempted to conquer the monastery for themselves it is protected by a cluster of burst cannon and a group of monks trained in the art of war.
The monastery is built in stone, structured like a large fortress within its wall live a large community, it host many temples within it, as the Free Nation have a total freedom in religion, while the one of Hensen is the largest the city has many worshipers of other gods, primarily Shurka and Kiptar.
The monastery itself is a place where free thinking is encouraged and produces many of the greatest philosophers and scientists in the Free Nation, the monks are able to teach techniques that open the mind of those who practice it, increasing creativity and personal potential. Some of the monks are part of the Hydra Society and they enjoy a friendly relation with the organization that keep one of its main center of power within the monastery city.
Unknown to the rest of the world, and to most of the monks a group of Unshaped reside within the bloodstone mining complex, there they research twisted magic that will, one day, allow them freedom of movement in creation and occasionally posses the pilgrims and monks in order to spread their own influence in the Free Nations.
... since I can't do anything else... Grrrr!Totally fluff. the mechanics are there to make imprisonment "work". But if you are a double-god which you intend to be in separate mindsets... Well willingly "imprisoning" yourself doesn't stop you from using PP. Only if someone actually is using the action.
Not that anyone has given that possibility a thought. I mean... EVERYTHING has to be mechanical, right?
:P
But yes, when it comes to the 'endgame' as it were, there we can bend things to fit the situation... its just important that everything building up to that makes 'sense'. (I would have no problem killing Correloth and letting Torvek survive, or vice versa!)
Tinwe, you need to control the courtroom and the pacing, or you guys will all get bogged down in this multi-directional arguing.
If you make Tovek the Exarch, he will be impotent against Correlleth. She can just crush him like a grape.
Making her a second god would require you to either run two gods or find someone who would play her the way you want her to go (not likely).
Twin god problem sounds like the most workable solution to the problem to me.
I find that idea quite poetic hehe ;)
Ahh so many interesting things to get involved with and so small amount of time for doing that :p
Anyway some new stuff (that I'll soon post on the wiki)Free Nations City States
Notable City States
Due to the insular nature of the Free Nation almost every city state is a port, or control minor ports nearby. The City States have the power to choose their own form of government and enjoy a large freedom in regulation however for common matters they usually follow the lead of the Eldest Council of Freedomguard.
Freedomguard, the first city built by the Free Nations, created on a group of bloodstone pillars on the place where they landed on Bloodmyst after their escape from the clutches of the Beholders, it is now the de facto capital of the nation. Freedomguard control the other city states by a combination of military, economical and religious superiority. It is the seat of the Eldest Council, the ruling body of the Priesthood of Change, that is also the governing power of Freedomguard. It hosts the Hanvis Machine that allows the production of Bloodstone Technology and the Bloodways.
Freedomguard is an impressive city most of its structures are carved into massive red stone pillars that emerge directly from the seas and are connected by a series of bridges or small boats that navigate the sea between the pillars. The best artificers of the Free Nation keep providing new wonders for the city state and its vast workshops and forges produce a never ending stream of goods.
One of the central feature of Fredoomguard is the Palace of the People the hart of Free Nations’ government, seat of the Eldest Council and main barrack of the Bloodguard, it occupy a cluster of pillars that form a majestic combination of natural towers, water is channeled through the structure to create small rivers and then falling to the sea. The palace is full of wonders and works of art, crafted by the best artists from the known world.
The city is surrounded by a defensive ring of towers called the Crown of Fangs, equipped with burst cannons and other wicked bloodstone weapons.
Novost, is the accursed place where an unnamed alchemist created the drug known as the Elixir of Sin and where the first artificial bloodborn was given life. Novost is ruled by its powerful army and use his military power to intimidate lesser city and secretly fund pirates to sabotage merchants of other fleets. It is commanded by a Lord General nominated for life and able to choose his successor, in the last millennia he was always chosen within the same family, the Nograv Kos house, however most of them were quite skilled military leaders and expert fighters as the whole family is subjected to an harsh training starting when they are really young. Novost is built on the shores of one of the external islands of the Archipelago, not far by the “bridge” that connect Bloodmyst with the western continent. It was carved in the cliff of a mountain originally, but it has outgrown it and is now surrounded by thousands of stone structures. Novost architecture is based on the principle of utility over appearance and to achieve defensive purposes. Its core is built like a fortress city, able to sustain a prolonged siege and extending deep within the mountain. Its soldier keep constant training for future wars and most of its economy is focused on increasing the efficiency of the army and of the “trading” and “escort” fleets.
Its main source of income, a part from oceanic trade with the Warforged and Beacon, is the production within its laboratories of vast amount of Bloodgift, while the secret has being stolen by agents from foreign city states this powerful alchemical drug production is still located here.
Novost is the only city state that possess an army composed fully of artificial Bloodborn, recruitment for joining it is extremely selective an training is almost deadly, but after a few years a recruit is granted access to the unholy procedure that allow the transformation of a mortal into one of the Bloodborn, a process whose success is far from certain and can determine the death of the patient.
Toraga is a quite unconventional city that is capable of prospering only due to the live and let live attitude of the Free Nation and, someone speculate, some kind of hidden agreement between them and Freedomguard. While its name of Toraga is well known it is most commonly called Pirates Heaven or Scumtown by the other inhabitants of the Free Nations.
It is the capital of smugglers, pirates, killers, disgraced, one of the major trading center for stolen goods and illegal items, full of cheap tavern and brothels every crime known to mankind is committed there, except for slavery that is considered a terrible sin in the Free Nations, even for pirates. It is built in a swampy area of the archipelago, it is quite hard for unskilled captains to get there and by land it is even harder. The pirates have filled the local sea with traps that increase the complexity of navigation, only Toraga captains know the safe ways to it. With the introduction of flying vessels weakening the city natural defense its “governors” the 7 Pirate Lords offered a fortune to pirates that are skilled or crazy enough to bring them the Dragon Class Ships and managed to some for themselves, becoming even more dangerous and creating a “sky patrol” to protect Toraga from the marine incursions. Due to their pact with unseen members of Freedomguard government they always manage to discover any attempt to purge the city in time before the marine strike and is capable of stopping them.
Due to the low quality of local building materials and the effect of the swamp the city is slowly sinking in the sea and since organized public work does not exist there nothing have being done for now to prevent that from happening, the pirates merely build new structure over the sunken ones or do fast, but not long lasting, reparation to the remaining structures.
A large Besasts of Lies’ pack operate in the swamps nearby and the pirates and adventurers that visit the city are often challenged to bring one of the beasts colorful hides as a proof of their skills, some time with (usually false) promise of a rich reward. This hunts rarely succeed the usual outcome is the death of the would be hunters and a quick drink in their honor at a local inn.
Vassen is a city state ruled by “Trade Princes”, the richest merchant in town, the government is actually semi “representative” because the Prince title can be gained by votes from the city inhabitants, however it is a tradition there that the “princes” usually pay for their votes, offering favors, jobs, or occasionally cash, people that are not played by someone usually just choose not to vote. Corruption run rampant in Vassen as the Princes use their political power to increase personal wealth and influence, however the peculiar inheritance system of the Free Nation, make so that the title of prince is rarely held by the same family for much and that usually these lords are quite skilled men or women and manage to increase the city wealth while working on their own.
After the introduction of currency within the Free Nations Trade Lord Wulfric, the leader of the princes, managed to obtain from Freedomguard a special authorization to create coins so Free Nation shields are made only in Vassen and in the capital. The palace of coin is a fortress well protected by a chosen Bloodborn guard as a massive amount of precious metals and coins is stored there.
Vassen is located in a natural port in the southern part of the archipelago, the city have grown around it in a quite chaotic way, as most district expand when their Trade Prince patron is rich and then fall in despair when his coffers run dries. Many architectural styles are represented in Vassen and the presence of foreigner is only inferior to Freedomguard. One of the most important feature of the city is the Major Market, that constitute the core of the town and is not under the influence of any Trade Lord, but operated with funds from the city coffers, it is considered a sign of prestige to donate the money to favor the development of the Major Market so it its marketplaces are usually well cared and the district is rich of buildings that are true marvels of architecture.
A part from Bloodguard that protect the coinage of Free Nations’ shields Vassen have no permanent military or militia, but the Trade Prince command vast personal forces of mercenary and trusted servants that are used to provide some sort of security. Many of the princes used these personal “armies” as a way to increase their control over the city, however they rarely resort to violence. The city also has a large number of artificers and a production of Bloodstone Weaponry especially personal weapons and guns that are almost considered works of art in the other cities.
Nitha is an isolated monastery city, its inhabitants did not want to be involved in Free Nations politics and so founded a small community within an island far from Freedomguard, they are occasionally visited by small commercial vessels that bring them the goods that they can’t produce by themselves and new recruits that want to join them. The monastery city is located on a large pure bloodstone vein harvested by the monks that have become quite rich by selling and refining it. The pure bloodstone is used to produce a less intrusive and addictive variation of the Elixir of Sin that is used by the monks to achieve a better communion with their god. The city is built on the top of a large mountain and is accessible only by a small passage that lead to the sea or by air, after an assault by a group of pirates that attempted to conquer the monastery for themselves it is protected by a cluster of burst cannon and a group of monks trained in the art of war.
The monastery is built in stone, structured like a large fortress within its wall live a large community, it host many temples within it, as the Free Nation have a total freedom in religion, while the one of Hensen is the largest the city has many worshipers of other gods, primarily Shurka and Kiptar.
The monastery itself is a place where free thinking is encouraged and produces many of the greatest philosophers and scientists in the Free Nation, the monks are able to teach techniques that open the mind of those who practice it, increasing creativity and personal potential. Some of the monks are part of the Hydra Society and they enjoy a friendly relation with the organization that keep one of its main center of power within the monastery city.
Unknown to the rest of the world, and to most of the monks a group of Unshaped reside within the bloodstone mining complex, there they research twisted magic that will, one day, allow them freedom of movement in creation and occasionally posses the pilgrims and monks in order to spread their own influence in the Free Nations.
But go Humites in the FeyWyld!So I'll be happy to have the assassin guild as a guest (as long as the problem they cause is limited ofc), and maybe some of my agents might get interested into the special services that the assassins provide :p
Edit: Basing it the Free Nation does sound like a good idea, though.
I'll put in some fluff that they're based there in a second. [and all your officials would need to do is contact the local guild 'Speaker'. He sets up the assassinations and serves as a fall guy if the guild needs it [for a hefty sum of course].
Edit: A question Nerdzul, would you preffer FreedomGuard or Novost? I don't want to 'create' a city right now when there's one that have already been established as powerhouses. Just asking to see which would fit your plans better [or if you'd rather have it in a different one]
...That just gave me an idea.
"It looks like we're almost done here, so we should be able to help. Although it does amuse me that so many people are willing to help when the giants' main target isn't even present. Tell me about your idea."
To Mecha: Hehe gief your idea first (I'm quite curious) before Yorik come out with mine... :p
(and gief assassin guild in the Free Nations Graxt :p)
I know mmo-rpgs have influenced my language too much.
Meribia has plenty of assassins of it's own (Karak-Rik targetting doppels and vampires, doppels and vampires returning the favor).
And while the Loremasters tend to generall be helpful, they have no problem with assassins either.
And the Free Nation is a decent place as well.
And Mechalibur, the Devils pulled back a while ago. They wanted to cause some havock and destruction. Then they pulled back. So you syould probably redirect those PP.
Edit: There damage was largely superficial. The intent was to put the humites on edge, remind them that their enemies could reach them, and burn some of the feywild.
Also, humite loremasters did send messengers to the Terenan forces about the primary assault on the outside.
And I'd say their keen to help because they don't want a neighbor who just proved perfectly willing to conqueor an area to stick around.
The Unshaped and the Possessed Ones
The Unshaped are powerful immortals, or at least really long lived as no one has ever died for now, once unlucky visitors of the Grand Distortion they were deprived of their shape by Hensen and the Wondermaker that turned them into the protean horrors that they are today.
The Unshaped in their natural form appear as large bluish translucent oozes, that keep shifting and moving following chaotic patterns, they can choose to assume any shape that they desire but are unable to maintain a fixed form for more than a few seconds, a thing that greatly frustrate them, they are also capable of limited alteration of reality, that become nearly godlike in nature within the Grand Distortion. Most of the Unshaped are totally mad, but quite capable of appearing sane to the observer if they want, their mind was warped by the process of “unshaping” but keep some memories of their original life, they are wicked and cruel creatures, envious of other beings that have a fixed form, but at the same time proud of their ability to become whatever they want, albeit briefly. Most of the Unshaped develop a natural hunger for power and a desire to subvert any society and come at their top, they also lust for knowledge. Some, if not every, unshaped hate their master, but are unconsciously forced to serve him.
Creation is hostile for these creatures that can exist there only for few moments before static reality overcome them and they are forced to go back to the safety of the Grand Distortion and even these few moments are extremely painful to the Unshaped. In order to interact with the world they have developed a way to posses other creatures taking control of their bodies and minds, accessing their memories and knowledge the limit of this power is unknown and apparently the host does not need to be corporeal. The host is aware of anything done while possessed and has access to a limited share of the creature knowledge even after he left the body, for this reason the Unshaped tend to kill or at least keep imprisoned their ex-hosts when they leave.
The Unshaped are usually allied to each other with the strongest is in charge and the other following its lead, however they fight for power is quite common and they constantly scheme against each other. Their current leader, Jarek once an Humite and an important officer of the White Shield and the first of the Unshaped, control the whole race using a mix of intimidation and wise management of informations, as he is the one who have discovered the way to possess mortal and hold the power to banish the unshaped back to the Grand Distortion, the demon lord Nurgle also oversee the unshaped for Hensen and has a personal guard of these horrors to do his biddings.
Currently they are infiltrating the Free Nations military command, following Jarek personal ambition of ruling Terena after he was forced out of power when Drevan apparently killed him, he hate both the Free Nations and the Humites but he does not dare to do anything about the first due to his fear of Hensen retribution.
A group of fey dragons has also come under control of the Unshaped and has formed an alliance with the Imperium, apparently the bond between the dragons and the unshaped are producing unexpected result and soon enough a new breed of the majestic reptiles might be seen in creation.
Within the monastery of Nitha a group of unshaped has made many interesting discoveries, first that they manifest, albeit briefly, when near to high concentrations of pure bloodstone, or that powerful ritual magic, that can only be performed by mortals, can keep them stable for longer periods, and that if the merge with a willing host they are able to channel more of their power and are capable of minor reality alterations (Coming soon, as a warlock path linked to the unshaped possessed)
A part for Jerek controlled group there are other unshaped in creation, one is rumored to be hidden within a cursed place known as the Hungry forest, feeding on the viciously warped circle of consumption of the place to remain stable.
Their ability in warping reality is some time used to produce horrific creatures to act as servants. Occasionally these creatures develop as independent races that while usually under the influence of their creators they have nothing in common with them (The first Example will come soon with the possessed fey dragons creating Dragoborn as soldiers as soon as I have the points)
The Unshaped finally managed to discover a way to walk the world for longer periods of time when a skilled artificer was tricked into providing them with a special armor that isolate the creature from static reality. While encased within the armor they lose their shapeshifting powers but are able to walk the earth until the protection is destroyed, channeling their supernatural powers in terrifying ways. (This is also a future project)
The Unshaped are powerful immortals, or at least really long lived as no one has ever died for now, once unlucky visitors of the Grand Distortion they were deprived of their shape by Hensen and the Wondermaker that turned them into the protean horrors that they are today.
The Unshaped in their natural form appear as large bluish translucent oozes, that keep shifting and moving following chaotic patterns, they can choose to assume any shape that they desire but are unable to maintain a fixed form for more than a few seconds, a thing that greatly frustrate them, they are also capable of limited alteration of reality, that become nearly godlike in nature within the Grand Distortion. Most of the Unshaped are totally mad, but quite capable of appearing sane to the observer if they want, their mind was warped by the process of “unshaping” but keep some memories of their original life, they are wicked and cruel creatures, envious of other beings that have a fixed form, but at the same time proud of their ability to become whatever they want, albeit briefly. Most of the Unshaped develop a natural hunger for power and a desire to subvert any society and come at their top, they also lust for knowledge. Some, if not every, unshaped hate their master, but are unconsciously forced to serve him.
Creation is hostile for these creatures that can exist there only for few moments before static reality overcome them and they are forced to go back to the safety of the Grand Distortion and even these few moments are extremely painful to the Unshaped. In order to interact with the world they have developed a way to posses other creatures taking control of their bodies and minds, accessing their memories and knowledge the limit of this power is unknown and apparently the host does not need to be corporeal. The host is aware of anything done while possessed and has access to a limited share of the creature knowledge even after he left the body, for this reason the Unshaped tend to kill or at least keep imprisoned their ex-hosts when they leave.
The Unshaped are usually allied to each other with the strongest is in charge and the other following its lead, however they fight for power is quite common and they constantly scheme against each other. Their current leader, Jarek once an Humite and an important officer of the White Shield and the first of the Unshaped, control the whole race using a mix of intimidation and wise management of informations, as he is the one who have discovered the way to possess mortal and hold the power to banish the unshaped back to the Grand Distortion, the demon lord Nurgle also oversee the unshaped for Hensen and has a personal guard of these horrors to do his biddings.
Currently they are infiltrating the Free Nations military command, following Jarek personal ambition of ruling Terena after he was forced out of power when Drevan apparently killed him, he hate both the Free Nations and the Humites but he does not dare to do anything about the first due to his fear of Hensen retribution.
A group of fey dragons has also come under control of the Unshaped and has formed an alliance with the Imperium, apparently the bond between the dragons and the unshaped are producing unexpected result and soon enough a new breed of the majestic reptiles might be seen in creation.
Within the monastery of Nitha a group of unshaped has made many interesting discoveries, first that they manifest, albeit briefly, when near to high concentrations of pure bloodstone, or that powerful ritual magic, that can only be performed by mortals, can keep them stable for longer periods, and that if the merge with a willing host they are able to channel more of their power and are capable of minor reality alterations (Coming soon, as a warlock path linked to the unshaped possessed)
A part for Jerek controlled group there are other unshaped in creation, one is rumored to be hidden within a cursed place known as the Hungry forest, feeding on the viciously warped circle of consumption of the place to remain stable.
Their ability in warping reality is some time used to produce horrific creatures to act as servants. Occasionally these creatures develop as independent races that while usually under the influence of their creators they have nothing in common with them (The first Example will come soon with the possessed fey dragons creating Dragoborn as soldiers as soon as I have the points)
The Unshaped finally managed to discover a way to walk the world for longer periods of time when a skilled artificer was tricked into providing them with a special armor that isolate the creature from static reality. While encased within the armor they lose their shapeshifting powers but are able to walk the earth until the protection is destroyed, channeling their supernatural powers in terrifying ways. (This is also a future project)
Good grief, the Iron State Warforged are trading with Meribia?
Since when?[/total and complete surprise]
If you had plans for the guild head, they travel a lot, they're the ones that will get called in if there's a problem in one of the cities, and each is given a different territory to handle so feel free to set anything up.
wait a minute...It has dwarfs and haflings right?
I remember them now...
Also how isolationists nations suddenly begun to cohoperate as they have always being best friends?
Can I ask a clear overview of how the politics work on the main continent becouse I'm getting quite confused hehe...
Arieda, The Empress' presence is desired at the Courts for a couple of trials. :P
Just out of curiosity when does so many continetal nation that totally ignored the original Imperium-Humite war become so involved in the fight?
Also how isolationists nations suddenly begun to cohoperate as they have always being best friends?
Can I ask a clear overview of how the politics work on the main continent becouse I'm getting quite confused hehe...
When I get confused about things like this, I always like to refer to my edition of Metagamus Maximus for hints and tips.
Just out of curiosity when does so many continetal nation that totally ignored the original Imperium-Humite war become so involved in the fight?
Also how isolationists nations suddenly begun to cohoperate as they have always being best friends?
Can I ask a clear overview of how the politics work on the main continent becouse I'm getting quite confused hehe...
Alexandria sees conquerors. That and I hadn't the time to make a big war post during the original invasion.
For the rest... *shrug* They're Shadow's responsibility.
Anyway with the more "militarist" gods of the pantheon off for holidays (Camu and Rit) I think that there will be no chance for the Imperium\Unshaped invasion to be successful if they have to fight against the whole world. I guess that we have chosen a bad timing :P
I guess that we have chosen a bad timing :P
And that's all part of planning. However, there are certain times that you can't really justify postponing wars.
Tophep, I have an additictive drug that I need to finalize stats on, but once I do, I'll PM you.
The primary reason that they jumped in is the loremasters. They have people in every nation on the continent, escepting the Iron State, which is only because I've been lazy. With a little political pressure, talking to old friends, and the right lie (or truth, as necessary), the Loremasters can influence just about anything on the continent. There most limited locations were the Defense Coalition and Alexandria, which had reasons of it's own to jump in.
That is largely the reason I keep their leaders bogged down in political in-fighting. That way I don't have to decide where they are applying their pressure at the time.
Actually Tinwe, I forgot about your emissaries . . . could you link me to the last post. Sorry :embarrass
Nerdzul, I noticed you mentioned Dragonborn. I figured your Unshaped would favor dragonspawn before they came to dragonborn.
Yes nice idea about that shadow :p
I was thinking about having the Dragonborn fit the "noble fighter" archetipe, with a dark origin but having an extra step of "currupted" creatures in the middle of the evolution might be nice. Anyone willing to invest a few points in that with me?
And I was thinking that maybe I can involve Torvek dark half Corelloth in spawning these kind of creatures if Xeadin agrees ofc.
To Graxis: hehe we could have post poned it I think (damn I was not fast enough in suggesting that to Angel hehe) but after all there were no in game reason for waiting (Camu and Rit absence was due to real life not LoC stuff).
Any suggestion?
Also, 1 PP to contact the Shifters, not 2, so you have 1 PP left.
Well if I split the post up into two posts, i could have nourished then split, I was just being efficient. But if its still a technicality, uh... forget it. I imagine turn is getting up iminently since you just did your last-second dump.
That last nourish is fine. Just saying for future reference that severing for Guide is also going to sever for Nourish.
Guide at 2 PP is almost exclusively for teaching. Almost anything else is 1.
So you have 1 PP left to burn, and about twenty minutes to do it, so go for it.
Edit: Thanks Tinwe, I'll get on that.
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8 - Veros
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6 - Xirinet, The Empress, Vymrl, Mara, Shurka
5 - Hensen Jijou, Kiptar, Eijra, Hammu, Nixis
4 - Azor-Chapien, Chroma, Starl, Honissia, Incarnation's End, Torvek
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Ex-loremasters ould be sought after as advisers, as they have often seen more of the world than most people, or at least have read and studied detailed reports of them.
And they are everywhere on the continent, save the Iron State and the elves and have holdings and members on three other continents as well.
Edit: It goes even further. Any worshipper of Veros is even more likely to place his faith in the words of a Loremaster, which Veros's church recognizes as a sister orgaization with a similar, if more specific, purpose. Both Merbia and Silvera are ruled by the absolute law of a set of people, rather than any democratic fashion. There word is law, and the nation goes where they say it goes. In Meribia, both leaders are worshippers of Veros. In Silvera, of the council of nine, five of the are worshippers of Veros. The loremasters are therefore able to wield an immense amount of clout within these two nations.
Also, as to your previous question, if you grow tireed of your current god, you let me know you intend to quit playing him. He goes to sleep, and if you'd like, you start another one.
It'll be finalized when we no longer have any interesting players. Why do you ask?
Also, as to your previous question, if you grow tireed of your current god, you let me know you intend to quit playing him. He goes to sleep, and if you'd like, you start another one.
Ya, I'd like to experiment with another god. As for why I ask, I'm just curious as to when we start again so I can start from the beggining and become a powerful god and rule the world! Er, I mean... no reason.
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In Silvera, of the council of nine, five of the are worshippers of Veros. The loremasters are therefore able to wield an immense amount of clout within these two nations.
You don't even want to know how close I was to having the Marans overthrow the Verosans at the blatant power grab. Needless to say they are watching.
Also, what action is that involving Ssabrec? Wuithout knowing what kind of action that is, I can't record it.
On the Loremasters, I'm assuming they come out of their Keep sometime, like to tell nations to go kill the Imperium. :P
Yes, but seriously, what sort of domain would it be?
Lesser, of course.
...Except in any fantasy RPG where 50% of the population is an orphan.
Wait...
(Yes, it's lesser)
Also, has anyone seen Arieda/The Empress lately?
And wow... I totally spaced that reset was today. Yay for wasted PP.
Has anybody stepped up to run this PbP game?
Shadow will run it I think (and we have already some players interested in joining, including me :p)
Anyone think that I could somehow play both sides at the same time?
And what is Advanced architecture anyway?
Yeah, they're mostly wild magic sorcerors, can you tell? ^_^; Over the next few hundred years the second and third 'out of the field' Skreet might learn Wizardly and more structured arcane ways (Least, its a possible PC avenue now.)
Mehcnically, people can't spend healing surges, but fluff-wise, normal settlements are impossible, due to an insane mortality rate that dying from minor injuries invokes.
From the looks of it nothing short of putting enough assassins to make up have of each army and then telling them to kill the other half of the armies would work. But, there just isn't enough assassins for that, and they'd have to have a very good cover. Or you could just start an earthquake that splits the land in two right in between the two armies. Not only would that result in a lot of deaths on both sides but it'd also put a large barrier in between the forces. This could of course be crossed in ships, but it's not really a good idea to drop a small group of people right in front of an opposing army in plain sight. Even if you do have a large fleet of 'airships'. Creates a lot of choke points and isn't really possible unless the people you drop are [high level] heroes who can hold a spot until reinforcements come. Those would also have to be heroes just to hold it until the next wave, and so on. I for one am not against a god saying enough to his mortals.
Of course, some gods would be very angry at you for splitting the land mass like that, but if they don't listen to reason then you lose at least one of your trading partners and the other is weakened greatly.
Since I need to compensate for the Doppleganger superiority in weakening the invastion forces hehe...
What if we work out a serie of well placed killings in order to weaken the grasp of the loremasters in the contienent powers, or even to generate hate between the warring nations?
Anyway the Free Nation will soon widraw its forces and attempt a diplomatic solution (but the Unahsped will not)...
Then we could actually give it a proper name.
That might be a nice idea, however I think it will just get undone without lasting even a single reset hehe...
That's one of the reasons I just didn't go and do it.
There aren't clear delineated battle lines. The Free Nation and Imperium forces are surrounded on all sides. Simply splitting the continent doesn't fix anything.
Also the Free Nations power might not be that much but the Imperium is preparing from war by ages has super advanced military techs and its culture is pretty much born for war..., so it should be able to crush many of the intervening nations that have never fought even a small battle among each other...
Edit: I hope not but it doesn't look like it's going to end soon.
Format will be the same as last time: accusation > rebuttal > response > final defense > open forum to all gods for 24 hours > verdict.
The verdict on Vryml's accusation against Drevan will not be pronounced until Drevan's accusation against Shurka, Hensen and Nixis is settled as well.
Now- I'm thinking I'll run both "trials" at the same time, just so we don't waste days of time waiting for the first to finish up before repeating the process over again. If there are objections, I'll modify Hammu's post.
And it lets me get them up to Diaspora for my evil experiments far away from prying eyes.Did I say that aloud?
Oops.
I only protest that I am suddenly a defendant instead of merely a witness, but beyond that, sounds good to me.
...and by "Nixis", I meant "Eijra". Yeah.
Yeah, that doesn't seem fighterish at all...
I don't lnow if that was sarcasm or not. Enlighten me.
Graxith, that is sort of what I was thinking with the knightly challenge.
Oh, and Tinwe, you didn't answer my question from before.
I don't lnow if that was sarcasm or not. Enlighten me.
Oh, and Tinwe, you didn't answer my question from before.
It was a little sarcastic, but don't take it in a bad way. It's just that if I tailor-made a "tank" class, it'd have +str/+con ability mods and +endurance/+perception. :D
As far as the trial- you're welcome to add your comments after the back-and-forth of the main parties. Hammu will call for additional witnesses at that point.
When would people like me to chime in as a witness?
As far as I know, it protects him. Nothing has been said about hiding him.
Well being on a god domain cloud divine knowledge if I remember well (like Veros prison).
I'll have a short speach at the process too..
Also I have a few plans for the future, since I don't want them to be undone the second after I post it I'll make a preview here before doing it on the main forum.
The Vail of Void
The Veil of Void
When the Unshaped Lords discovered that the Loremaster could divine their presence, they decided to focus their power to prevent further interference, for this reason in the heart of the Grand Distortion they created a powerful spell. The purpose was to make them even more divided from static reality, making any magic that deal with it blind to their presence, using Hensen power they also managed to forge a veil of illusion, that will foil divination, making so that the presence of the Unshaped, or the possessed one, is hidden, but does not reveal as void to arcane or divine magic.
LoC Powers: the Veil of Void makes the Unshaped and the Possessed one immune of divination effects, including the ones coming from artifact that are not exclusively designed to detect them (including the Loremaster Keep or the Orb of Visions), for any form of divination the pure Unshaped are invisible, while the Possessed one are detected as their host, the moment of possession is also clouded by magic so that divination does not see anything strange.
The concept of the Veil is based on the Staff of Ruin (that hidden Dreven action from gods like Veros and any divination artifact used by the other gods). In order to extend its power to the Possessed one I’ll also use a guide to link them with the Veil.
The Veil is represented by a single blue orb covered by a black veil and it is stored within the Castle of Endless possibilities, removing it does not stop the ward against divination from the Unshaped, but the mortal wielding it begin to benefit from the same protection. Being located in my own plane the existence of the veil itself is hidden from the gods.
The Veil of Void
When the Unshaped Lords discovered that the Loremaster could divine their presence, they decided to focus their power to prevent further interference, for this reason in the heart of the Grand Distortion they created a powerful spell. The purpose was to make them even more divided from static reality, making any magic that deal with it blind to their presence, using Hensen power they also managed to forge a veil of illusion, that will foil divination, making so that the presence of the Unshaped, or the possessed one, is hidden, but does not reveal as void to arcane or divine magic.
LoC Powers: the Veil of Void makes the Unshaped and the Possessed one immune of divination effects, including the ones coming from artifact that are not exclusively designed to detect them (including the Loremaster Keep or the Orb of Visions), for any form of divination the pure Unshaped are invisible, while the Possessed one are detected as their host, the moment of possession is also clouded by magic so that divination does not see anything strange.
The concept of the Veil is based on the Staff of Ruin (that hidden Dreven action from gods like Veros and any divination artifact used by the other gods). In order to extend its power to the Possessed one I’ll also use a guide to link them with the Veil.
The Veil is represented by a single blue orb covered by a black veil and it is stored within the Castle of Endless possibilities, removing it does not stop the ward against divination from the Unshaped, but the mortal wielding it begin to benefit from the same protection. Being located in my own plane the existence of the veil itself is hidden from the gods.
And it was a good idea Tinwe, since Kiptar either wasn't around or wasn't involved in both of those events.
And a note, your Veil, just like the Staff of Ruin, will not work against artifacts more powerful that it (ie, costing more PP).
Btw how are you going to interfere? By making the possession or loremaster takeover fail (in that case just tell me I'll avoid wasting my action) or in some other way?
Mind that if it succeed (that I presume will not) there will be no way to tell the Possessed from real loremaster (and they will not act openly or defy any comand for the highest ranks of the order, but manipulate things from the darkness to achieve their goals...
2 pp: Guide populace(Greater)(City of Gears): Warforged learn about economics.
1 pp: Nourish Populace(Gears): Warforged grow stronger.
3 pp: 3*Guide Populace(Lesser): Iron, Adamite, and Gold dragons officially join the Iron State, and are counted under it.
I have already guided the warforged to gain economics (as a gift from the Free Nations to their trade partners) in this post: http://forums.gleemax.com/showpost.php?p=19014253&postcount=2535
Shadow can you post some math about the techs and nourishes of the nations involved in the war (excluding the humites thate are in the feywild), just for us to have some idea about how things are going.
Btw something told by Shurka might help a lot, or it will be again Me + Vymrl sustaining something alone I think...
Yes in the end the Court will be useless (it will just help Drevan) Xirinet is one of the judges and that closes any discussion I think since the decision must be unanymous and his vote will be enough even if the other judges can be convinced...
I predict at least one judge will vote innocent for both cases. Then we can do whatever we want.
Let's just say that Vryml had a better case before Veros was rescued. Good luck convincing Xirinet now.
Ekluag, as a judge you basically wait for Hammu to conclude the trial and call for a verdict, then PM me your verdict and a punishment if you vote guilty.
Ahh I'm so happy when actions turn to be totally useless wastes of time... bah...
To Mecha: That will happen surely for Drevan case, I'm not sure about the other one to be honest... but still I agree with you.
Accusation (1 post)
Defense (1 post)
Response (1 post)
Rebuttal (1 post)
Witnesses (24-hour free for all)
Verdict (via PM, announced by Hammu)
Shurka doesn't understand the point of the court. He thinks it's getting in the way.
Perhaps Shurka will end up realizing that the ability of the court to "get in the way" is exploitable, much in the same way as Drevan did. :D
Ideally, the structure of a trial goes like this:
Accusation (1 post)
Defense (1 post)
Response (1 post)
Rebuttal (1 post)
Witnesses (24-hour free for all)
Verdict (via PM, announced by Hammu)
Perhaps Shurka will end up realizing that the ability of the court to "get in the way" is exploitable, much in the same way as Drevan did. :D
Well the court is exploitable (much like in real life in my country hehe), to slow down things, that all... there are not enough laws telling what is a crime and what is not...
Since only direct killing of a god is punished, that's why I tried to have drainining the spark and turning someone mortal assimilated to the killing, but rejecting that idea just close the discussion... The Court has no other law, so no more chances of punishment...
Topheh: Thankyou, I have my debate team to thank, and my parents for making me read more classical literature. Not arrogant enough to say that what I wrote there comes anywhere close of course, just that reading authors like Steinbeck and Milton showed me what I should aim for.
Since only direct killing of a god is punished, that's why I tried to have drainining the spark and turning someone mortal assimilated to the killing, but rejecting that idea just close the discussion... The Court has no other law, so no more chances of punishment...
Not true. Direct killing of a god is the only case that the Court will pursue on its own. It is the only crime that the Court will always judge. Anything else is fair game if other gods want to pursue it, even things like Azor'Chapien's complaint about his island (though OOC, I'd prefer not to have a trial each and every reset over 2PP worth of Mold Land :P), and the possibility of punishment does still exist for lesser "crimes".
"There is no law against that"
And if a Court want to be consistent with its own decision, it should stay loyal to that principle...
Also Imho we should have some rule that just remove the possibility to negate people actions... I find frustrating when I do something that one line (without even fluff) in the PP sblock can just cancel without consequences...
EDIT (to Tinwe) Nah, Xirinet has other reasons for supporting Drevan and beside the vampire could have just told that Veros was imprisoned somewere and could have used him to prove that he had not committed the kill, so liberating Veros actually was just a useless action... since he is too confused to help apparently...
Ahh I'm so happy when actions turn to be totally useless wastes of time... bah...
To Mecha: That will happen surely for Drevan case, I'm not sure about the other one to be honest... but still I agree with you.
So? I do worthless actions all the time. What did making wisps accomplish? Nothing! I don't mind my PP being wasted as much as other people, so just be glad I was the one who spent the PP on that
If I do worthless action by choice I see no problem...
I have teached currency to the Free Nation and to its friends for what? Just because I liked money to be diffused... I created beasts of lies and living illusions, or the the twisting shard and a lot of other stuff that does not to give me any advantage, but I don't call that wasting as it add things to the world.
I talking about action that does nothing at all... like molds that got demolded the same turn, guides that don't really guide anything, protection that don't protect sending an army that can only loose and so on... That is wasting time...
To Tinwe: I missunderstood how the court work anyway, I guess that my own speach has no meaning as it was aimed to made Drevan actions punishable by the exsisting laws, but apparently it was not needed... my bad...
I would contend that causing a god not to be a god anymore counts as murder of that god, but hey, we'll see.
Topheh: Thankyou, I have my debate team to thank, and my parents for making me read more classical literature. Not arrogant enough to say that what I wrote there comes anywhere close of course, just that reading authors like Steinbeck and Milton showed me what I should aim for.
It was a decently formulated and well-written argument. But in terms of substance, it was probably your second best argument to makel. And you should have followed up with several other arguments (policy/precadent; lesser crimes included, etc).
If I remember well the last decision about Veros innocence was caused by a simple fact:
"There is no law against that"
And if a Court want to be consistent with its own decision, it should stay loyal to that principle...
No, the decision of Veros' innocence boiled down to "there was no law against that". As in, Veros killed Xa'an before Law gained a divine consciousness. At the time, Hammu alluded to the idea that it was the very lawlessness of Veros' act that birthed Hammu into the creation.
If there is none the judgement will only be based on personal opinion of the judges (and that will make the whole thing less binding... I'd be like one day we woke up and decide that Hammu Xirinet and Kiptar decide...)
Same apply to attacking a god (without killing him), is there a law against divine attacks?
http://forums.gleemax.com/showpost.php?p=18949271&postcount=3263
Thanks, Topheh:D
hmm...now that I've basically got a network of spies that are willing to kill to keep themselves secret...what should I do with it?
I'm scared
I'd just like to apologize for making mechanical things and not backing them up on the wiki immediately :embarrass . I'll try and work it all out and alter the wiki for next time I post
Nothing wrong with that. Took me over a week to finally add the Golden One prestige class.
Also:
1 Guide PP from Beryl - Genasi form a cast based system based on manifestation: fire is soldier and guards, earth are labourers, blue are merchants and beaurocrats, wind are scouts, messengers and hunters, and storm are judges and nobles. Priests remain priests and can be of any manifestation
That seems very... orderly. I thought Chroma liked Chaos
Wyld, I think I'm going to have to put off any further significant developments on the Circle/Alexandria for another turn... I want to get another idea down before I forget it.
And thats a fun idea for the genasi
Remind, what's the action if any to get a beast-type to follow a new God. I know guides are not applicable to beasts... I figure a nourish?
You'll find Azora now in the bottom right corner of the second map . . . and I haven't added your new island yet. Still a few other things missing (I didn't mark Beacon for some reason, but it's north of the Shattered Lands) and Loremaster Keep is at southern base of Skypeak. And yes, Sivera has that much territory under it's purview.
And if the trial doesn't end before Sunday Morning (here on the east coast), I won't be able to vote. Just realized that, but I will be gone all week. So someone should be a backup judge just in case.
Funny you ask about maps, Chapien, since I've spent three days with updated ones that I couldn't get image shack to upload. They've finally went through now.
You'll find Azora now in the bottom right corner of the second map . . . and I haven't added your new island yet. Still a few other things missing (I didn't mark Beacon for some reason, but it's north of the Shattered Lands) and Loremaster Keep is at southern base of Skypeak. And yes, Syvera has that much territory under it's purview.
And yes, ugly gray would be the Gray Wastes.
I am curious as to what I should start them out with....most likely smuggling, I want some conflict between them and the Gnomes of the circle [although not a very large one it could escalate, or they could make a new business partner]. For now they're going to focus on getting their place in society secure to the point that without divine intervention [and even with it in some cases] they wont have to break down completely and go into hiding. And none of this owuld've been possible if somebody hadn't invented currency [It'd be rare to find an assassin that wanted exactly what you had to barter with].
Anyway, posting a new version of the Free Nations map
Can you post the Free Nations too (I have stopped upgrading my own record about them some time ago and I think I'm missing something).
Topheh: You no doubt copypasta'd your post fromnotepad or something similar. I just figured I might as well point out to you that unless you copied it from a maximized window notepad's formatting screws with posts. You might want to go through and fix the formatting in your last post.
Anyway they will abandom the fight this turn (after learning about Alexandria reply since there will be no point in leaving with one country still at war with you)
Also, I show at least one action where you nourished the land of the free nation, which doesn't count directly towards the nation itself.
Also, I show at least one action where you nourished the land of the free nation, which doesn't count directly towards the nation itself.
Wich one?
If I nourish something that is part of the nation it does not apply to the whole? (even if that part is totally integrated).
How many nourishes do the Bloodborn have?
Time to go for a few hours see you later :P
Also, on your maps ff6shadow, what does the brown represent? I'm assuming it's mountains... am I correct?
Took me forever to realize what was screwing up the format actually.
Wow
Alright, I'm gonna get back to work on that map...
Also, on your maps ff6shadow, what does the brown represent? I'm assuming it's mountains... am I correct?
Brown is mountain IIRC. In the shattered lands it's more like crags.
Yes Chapien, brown is mountain.
Edit: RUSH RUSH RUSH RUSH RUSH!!!!
(Looks good so far
)The shade of color used for the area you've done so far is actually for denoting wasteland, left when Tsaroka-Noggoth withdrew her fungus.
The mountain color or the green? Cause the green is the default color, while the gray is the default mountain color (titled: Mountain Light).
The shade of color used for the area you've done so far is actually for denoting wasteland, left when Tsaroka-Noggoth withdrew her fungus.
Argh! I understand what you're saying now.... the problem is, erasing in CC3 is really, really hard...
And in the what... thousands of years since the Tsarok left, nobody's tried to clean up the damage? Hmph. I might have to do something about that.
And come to think of it, no, no one has tried to fix much of is, although the Defense Coalition is trying in the south.
I Thought all the fungus was removed for the dark planet. Also, Tsaroka did definitely at least take a female form in regards to the Thallids.
Yes, but Tsaroka specifically said that the ravage of the fungus had depleted the earth of pretty much everything worth taking.
Hammu did use the Hands and Eyes of Yoglith to Nourish Land and cause vegetation to regrow along the north coastline.
Speaking of whcih... I'm surprised that no one has used the Hands yet in the war for a free Denourish...
Name: Riulenna Toshonk
Domain: Protection, Precious metals(minor)
Physical Appearance: A beautiful woman made out of pure diamond, with. Adamantine bracers covering her wrists. Her armor is also made of adamantine, with glowing blue wards covering it. Her hair is in two pigtails, the right made of gold and the left of sliver. The head hair(or the part sans pigtails) is made of steel.
Symbol: A blue diamond on an adamantine tower shelid
Anyway, if it isn't too much trouble, could someone give me a tech list for the Genasi? I don't want to end up teaching them something they already know... all I know that they know is the Sorceror class and rituals ^_^;
Aww shucks. I had plans for those Zatarans next turn. I'll have to come up with something else I'll try to get in something later tonite, and possibly tomorrow. I'll be back on a decent PC Monday.
I'm catching up for the refresh now, and Graxith, I just now saw your post at the beginning of the turn. It has some problems in the expenditures.
Create? So your city is an artifact? If so, what is it called?
1 PP Guide: Independant undead start to worship Honissia
What independant undead? You'll need to specify what type of undead your guiding.
And assassins isn't a valid guide target either. Humite assassins, human assassins, but just covering all races in general is too much for a 1 PP guide.
For example, '2 PP: doppelgangers master kung fu' will not be recorded. Please include the type of action, the cost, and the general effect.
Personally, I'd love to have a more consistent format for the PP expenditures.I've been trying to create a program to automatically grab the data from the posts and put it into table and wiki-ready format, but... I'm finding that basically impossible with our varied styles. I dont mean: "You must have two spaces between the number of PP you are spending and the word "PP"", but something along the lines of:
Template:
# of PP / If Exarch/Artifact Used / Type of Action / Description of Action.
Its a lot less of an issue now. Some people at the start of the game were really twisting about the format, but... some sort of template like that would make my job much easier
How much pp would it take to guide them like that then? Becuase they are a specific group, who number less then any [or at least almost any] of the actual races.
Edit: almost forgot, I meant warforged not undead. If there's not any left then I'll just erase that too.
I'm not entirely sure what you mean by the city.
As for how to guide them like that, there isn't really any method for it. You'd have to pull assassins from each race seperately. This is largely because of how the tech guiding rules got altered mid game, to allow discounted teaches, something I still regret us doing.
Tophep, there is already a race that knows kung fu . . . technically. I did teach minotaurs the monk class a good long while back. So minotaur martial artists about. :D
Edit: Also, that's an extremely roundabout way to do it. I'm kinda regreting taking this domain now.
Directly from my description of the general parameters of our world
The polar openings are 1500 miles diameter on the outer surface, but slightly smaller on the inner surface, about 1000 miles. At their narrowest point, the polar openings are just under 800 miles wide. The curvature is shallow enough that someone walking would never notice the difference, though someone flying high enough would.
I would imagine your Zaratan is well, well under 800 miles in circumfrance :D
*does random looking to see how big that would be*
Yeah. California is 163,000 square miles
Hehe. AnubisDread, you might have some visitors. Now that Massive took away the Zaratans that I was planning to spread to next turn, I need somewhere new to put my poor overcrowded Children.
AnubisDread, could please give me an alternate name for your unstable genasi. Much like ekluag's altering of his warforged's stats, I'll need an alternate name to list yours under.
Hmm, I've just been calling them Ardunian Genasi, will that do? If not I'll have to think of something...
And sounds good to me Topeh, the more the merrier
. Still have a long way to go before Ardune is anywhere near the main continent in terms of races, creatures etc :PHmm, I've just been calling them Ardunian Genasi, will that do? If not I'll have to think of something...
And sounds good to me Topeh, the more the merrier
Perhaps Chaos Genasi?
Just because it's setting-neutral.
And I hope your Zaratan packs a mean punch to get through the Azure Aegis. That skyshield is pretty tough. From my records:
The Aegis is an invisible barrier. Each 5ft section has 200 HP, and regenerates 20 HP per turn. If a section is destroyed, a vortex typically forms, as the air within is suddenly forced through the opening, pulling nearby things out. A destroyed section will be completely regenerate after 1 minute as long as an adjacent section remains.
Of course, your zaratan can see the other inner world sites as well. For anyone else who enters the area, there are two floating continents just outside the Aegis, though they have their own Aegis. Duska Krak's civilization remains intact on a floating continent, as does the ancient eladrin cultures, including it's worship of Tahns (maintained by Veros in memory of the fallen god.)
Nerdzul: I am not sure why the Free Nation would know of the Dark Eladrin, if they were discovered it would be by blind luck. That is to say, if you found the continent you would not know the DE are there initially. So, I request you start with a "landing on the new land" MS post and I can go from there, and please describe the composition and physical description and all that, the more I can work off of.
They have no idea about the dark eladrin existance, I just pointed at them in the post because I did not know the name of the contienent where they were living. They just went on an exploring mission and the Compass (think about Jack Sparrow one), brought them there.
I find the idea of foreign traders in the middle of a war between clans quite interesting (and the Free Nations don't have any prejucice against lycans, for now at least).
To Shadow: speaking about techs I was thinking that maybe we should semplify the system (to have civilization that have just a bunch of the techs used in a medieval world with this method we need like 20 tech or so...) hehe for exaple now currency is used in only 4 or 5 countries, most of the world write on stone tablets (no paper, papyrus or scroll) and so on...
Maybe for the next time we can make "packs" of techs, like for example "Stone Age Techs" (that grant fire, stone crafting and so on...), than a bronze age (agriculture, bronze, architecture, writing)... What do you think about that idea? Keeping classes and unique techs (weird steampunk stuff, magic, special combat tricks, hight fantasy techs), and classess to follow the normal system.
Hmm... The Vorpal Cascade is still floating about, right? In broken-up form, but it never got, you know, smashed into the planet or anything, right?
PP Refresh
8 - Veros
7 -
6 - Xirinet, The Empress, Vymrl, Mara, Shurka
5 - Hensen Jijou, Kiptar, Eijra, Hammu, Nixis
4 - Chroma, Azor-Chapien, Starl, Honissia, Incarnation's End, Torvek
Ekluag, without supporting text, those PP expenditures will be ignored. Also, to remind you, this world doesn't have space. Beyond the air is the Azure Aegis, a solid barrier between air within and the aether beyond.
Turn 44 begins now. 11,000 years have elapsed since the beginning of existence.
PP Refresh
8 - Veros
7 -
6 - Xirinet, The Empress, Vymrl, Mara, Shurka
5 - Hensen Jijou, Kiptar, Eijra, Hammu, Nixis
4 - Chroma, Azor-Chapien, Starl, Honissia, Incarnation's End, Torvek
Hey, I think you missed this post:
Name: Riulenna Toshonk
Domain: Protection, Precious metals(minor)
Physical Appearance: A beautiful woman made out of pure diamond, with. Adamantine bracers covering her wrists. Her armor is also made of adamantine, with glowing blue wards covering it. Her hair is in two pigtails, the right made of gold and the left of sliver. The head hair(or the part sans pigtails) is made of steel.
Symbol: A blue diamond on an adamantine tower shelid
Made by RedDaffodil.
Northwestern Taldar, you say? Well then, you have a lot of company. Menosa, Patren, and Loremasters . . . .
And, unless I am mistaken, Azora isn't to far from Taldar (though far from Northwestern Taldar...)
The far northwest is free, though the desert is controlled by the remains of Patren. The land you picked isn't taken, you just have plenty of neighbors.
Going to specify were in the OP now.
Graxith, I doubt they'd get into much trouble in the original location. They have plenty of neighbors, but noen of them are particuarly hostile.
They naturally would, yes. But they don't have a clue where you are.
That's what divine guidance is for;)
Well, I guess there is always a first time...
hmm...now to go scouting for the original guides. And what're the main races of the Free Nation? I guess I'm going to have to do this the hard way. :raincloud
Free Nations has 3 main races: Humans, Humites and Bloodborn.
Got a question, can i have a quick recoup about the nature of Silvera, Meribia the main feture of their people, who created them, who is worshiphed there and so on?
Here is the first stat block for Beast of Lies, gief some comment :p
Free Nations has 3 main races: Humans, Humites and Bloodborn.
Picked the humans for now. The Humites are next. Then the giants.[although I think the giants may not have such a big audience.]
Very subtle there, very subtle.
Indeed.
So, will you? :D
Also, it seems no one is posting today...
Yeah, today appears to be a very dead day. In my imagination, I see everybody standing around waiting for Drevan to step out of the court so they can take him apart peice by peice, but in reality, people are probably just busy.
Except for me. I'm waiting for Drevan to leave the court.
Or for someone to guide someone to the Azorans so I can stop being bored.
Got a question, can i have a quick recoup about the nature of Silvera, Meribia the main feture of their people, who created them, who is worshiphed there and so on?
Meanwhile if you are soo bored can you spare some time to illuminate me on Meribia and Silvera?
I want to post some actions there but I don't want to be inconsistent with the nature of these nations.
Oh, you really are? To take him down?
Not alone. I can't take Drevan alone. But if anyone else comes on... then yes.
And Nerdzul, I really don't know anything about Meribia or Silvera...
As for the other, I've got two with unfortunately similar names. Do you mean Sivera, or Sylvena?
Also, I don't think he's going to leave, at least not in the immediate future.
I'll get something together for Meribia, but do you care to specify exactly what you want to know?
As for the other, I've got two with unfortunately similar names. Do you mean Sivera, or Sylvena?
Anything that you might find interesting to tell (but expecially who is worshiphed there, the power groups, the culture of the people, races and so on).
The one that is on the main contienent and is making war with the giants...
Also, I don't think he's going to leave, at least not in the immediate future.
Great. Now what am I going to do?
Great. Now what am I going to do?
Most likely? Sit around outside/in the court until you get bored and go home. Drevan is only going to leave when he knows that he has a way around all of your planned attacks. And even then he'll have a couple back up plans [actually I think they're thrown together on the spot but the way his character is played he always knows something to fall back on] He really has no reason to leave the courts right now. He can manage his people from it and until the judges kick him out he has sanctuary from the rest of you.
Meribia
Composed primarily of dwarfs and halflings, with doppelgangers, lycans, and vampires compsing a very small percentage of the populace. Of the gods, only Veros has any large amount of worship there, though there is a small worshipping populace for Eijra, and several groups that worship Mara.
Power centers
The Red Court - Mara worshipping vampires
Karak-Rik Guild - Mara worshipping merchants. Seeking to eliminate vampires and doppelgangers
Loremasters - A major enclaves, highly repsected by the locals.
Meribian Government - An odd form of government divided by race. Every 10 years, all members of one of the primary races (halflings or dwarves) elect one of their own to serve as Magnate for a 20 year term. If a magnate retires or dies suddenly, an emergency election is held to elect somebody else to finish his term. The two magnates serve as a two man dictatorship ruling the nation. If the magnates are divided on a decision, and no compromise can be reached, the leader of the Loremaster enclave in meribia is given the deciding vote.
Sivera
Composed primarily of eladrins and shadar-kai, with doppelgangers, lycans, and vampires compsing a very small percentage of the populace. Worship includes Veros in the empire direct, and Mara, The Empress, Drahthor, and Chactross (shadar-kai only) in the provinces and such. Sivera was a state with an odd duality from it's eldest times. In the time of Tahns, Eladrin controlled most of the power, with the shadar-kai held as a second tier citizenship. Since the fall of Tahns priesthood, the nation has opened and equalized both races, but eladrin still control much of the power.
Power centers
Loremasters - Several major enclaves, highly repsected by the locals.
Temple of Veros - A temple dedicated to Veros, raised by his own hand from the depths of the earth. The temple hiolds a great deal of sway in day to day life in Sivera
Sivera Government - Sivera is a theocracy. Ruled by a council, the council members are chosen by the accepted religions within Sivera. Currently, the council is a nine member body, consisting of five chosen by the church of Veros, and 2 each of the Maran church and the Empress's church. The council has been devating accepting the worship of Drahthor and opening council seats for them as well, but nothing has come of the idea yet.
Anything else important to you I missed?
Thx about the info shadow I'll post something about Meribia or Silvera tomorrow... :P
He shrugged. "They'll be mine as long as they'll be mine. I couldn't care either way."
"And I do suspect that he'll be alive as lng as I need him alive, which should be plenty."OOCHe has a good estimated guess where he is at. He knows who took him, he knows he isn't on the mortal plane, and he knows that Vymrl has a nice heavily secured plane. Not hard to guess where he is. As he is aware of what Veros wants, though not for the reason he thinks . . .
Anyways, yes, I've been saying from day one that Knowledge is not omniscience. No god is omniscient, though Veros, and by association Drevan, are probably closest to it, but still quite far away from it. There is something else going on. ;)
And I did note that Drevan was aware that he had been taken. He thought a comment about it directly afterwards. Something about all according to plan. Additionally, it took place in a plane controlled by me, specifically evading traps I had placed, involving a mortal.
Latane - Western Palm of the continent. Contact with the Shifters, Volcano Giants. At war with Shifters; active trade with Khusan
Tarana - Eastern Prong or "finger" has contanct with Volcano Giants and contact with Free Nation (at least for now).
Mar - Eastern Palm - Contact with Frost Giants and active trade with them.
Silan - Middle Prong - Contact with Frost Giants, trade is not as active as it goes through the other more southern nations.
Huilon - Westernmost prong. Same.
THe continent is generally referred to as Ymo (pronounced "ee-mo"). I have may used this word with the FG, but i don't remember! In any event that is where it would have come from.
It has no gravity. So your water won't quite stick to it. Further, due to the aether currents, your air won't stick to it either.
It wasn't a problem with Chukwa, since being an exarch is enough to allow him to produce gravity to hold things down and together if he wants, but it is a problem on a random asteroid.
This is a magical world. Objects don't have their own gravity. :D
I'm packing up my stuff at home to prepare to move on out of that tiny apartment- and move into a REAL HOME! :D
Whoops! sorry I haven't been online for quite a while...
I'm packing up my stuff at home to prepare to move on out of that tiny apartment- and moving into a REAL HOME! :D
Gratz!
I don't envy having to pack up though. I've done more than my fair share of that myself. Never fun.
Gratz!
I don't envy having to pack up though. I've done more than my fair share of that myself. Never fun.
Eh- It's different for everyone. For me- It's a BRAND SPANKIN' New Beginning! :D
Anyway, since a mold doesn't work for gravity just slap down a 1PP artifact.
Or say "I do cool voodoo magic and create a divine spell... It's a nourish"
Though I dunno if "gravity" is a nourish exactly...
I just had a nice mold land artifact I just made though. Artifact it is.Gotta log off- Hope to see you all soon!
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However we will also be pleased to have more productive relations with Meribia and Silvera, as I have told my nations wealth comes from trade, not war, and I think that, after a proper time to settle our differences, we might have much to gain in sharing the strenght of our cultures trough commerce with these glorious continental powers."
"The arrangements shall be made. Cease fire and begin withdrawal within two days, or the agreement will be null and void."
Well, maybe we got some misunderstanding here, anyway as the Free Nations does not have much to gain from trading with them in term of techs (but I like the fluff of them trading with pretty much the whole world) we can just drop that and I'll refluff the worship to be caused by something else.
((I apologize for not being able to post much recently. I give my PP to Hensen for this turn))
Wow a lot of things to do in this reset, I guess I'll have to post a lot tomorrow morning. Thx and Gief an active Mecha :p
Still, I'll allow the faux paus...
On another note, I'm not sure that its okay for you to just ignore a 2PP mold land. Thats enough to destroy the Loremaster's land or Silveria and Meribia. Rather than do that, as you've done in the past, I tried to make it a constructive part of the game. Yet somehow the Meribians can tunnel hundreds of feet below earth, and the Silverians can teleport through hundreds of feet of stone so that it has no effect. If that's the way you want it to be, then this game will degenerate into players dropping moons on each other's races. Or, the Imperium could use their flying ships to destroy to capital of Meribia, since apparently the fact that the Imperium has had 5PP nourishes in the last turn alone doesn't effect the game at all.
But, I'm not going to clutter up the OOC thread with the rest of this argument, I'm happy to PM you about it.
Evidence says, ghouls are a populace.
Angel
My PM box has been very busy recently. I probably missed it. If you could resend them, I'll give them a shot.
Ah yes, I've been forgetting to mention that. To you guys as well as the new admins. Assuming the volunteering still stands, Wyld Mutation and Tophep are the new admins, pending their PM to confirm they are still interested.
Just no... the new admin will be chosen by the community, by a vote or something like that, so even if I'll be for Tophet and maybe Wyld too I'd like that we choose them not you if possible :p
What's the point of having someone to "counterbalance" a single (and much involved) player decisions if it is someone of his choice without even a chance to say something from us?
To Anubis if you want I can contribute to the ghoul creation (mecha will actually hehe).
100 Heavily armed soldiers isn't a diplomatic mission, it's an invasion.
Still, I'll allow the faux paus...
Hehe war with half of the continent ended not long before the expedition was formed and they are going to an unknown continent on the far side of the world, having no idea about who are they going to find...
Even if, as usual, they have the best intetions this time it will be a little harder to demonstrate :p
I just want to clarify something about my posting habits. I'm ALWAYS on. I'm always available for OOC or PM discussion when needed.
I choose to keep my profile minimal. It's a direct counteraction to my usually zealous activity in the previous LoC.
In all honesty my IC activity isn't likely to pick up. I've got college coming up and a massively overtaxing workload. On the other hand that won't affect my OOC activity. OOC I'm available 6 days out of 7.
Do not make the mistake of assuming I'm not around. I just have a preference for 'less speaky, more crunchy'.
So If you want I'll just step back on that action, but please try to see our motivations.
Also about the admin I see that Angel agree with me, any other?
Why do you think I didn't want it this time around?
Even if I did keep him around, he's still a god. How would everybody else respond if Veros started meddling wholescale within their domains?
Veros had issues some other gods, and how they administered their domains, but you didn't see him stepping in and changing how things worked.
And this temporary is quite long and there is no sign for us to know about that (in game at least).
Anyway in how much time are we going to have the reset? So that I can prepare a proper post with the remaining actions?
Ah btw if you have to cancel\alter any of my actions in the mortal realm (meribia\silvera) can you do that asap so that I can eventually react pre-reset?
For the new admin I have nothing against massive or topeth, but I'd want a vote for setting the new ones (as I told a lot of times), and apprently I'm not the only one...
(To Shadow: later tonight I'll send you a PM about a few things regarding the game, got no time now as I have to drop my connection)
See you later
Anyway np, I have deleted that post (but maybe we should refound some of Vymrl\Drevan point on the other too, as 3 is a little high amount to be wasted)
Well, *that* was fast. And here I wanted to say goodbye to Drevan.
Out of Topic I want Hensen to assume for himself power over magic this turn, fluffing it as more wyld and uncontrolled magic, while Veros one is based on study and self control, Hensen one is called by focusing emotions and letting it control the user.
Is it oke for you?
(If I remember well there was some other god that had a similar domain but he become inactive).
And no, it's not okay. We have a god with that type of domain, even if he is inactive. Further, having just regained his powers, Veros isn't likely to look favorably on anyone stepping on his toes so to speak.
Btw if I remember well there is no rule in taking someone else domain without even telling him (you took Time after Angel following sinasilver abandon of the game)
Btw I'm too lazy to check the old OOC thread, is there any old player here that can tell me why it ended?
A faction of the players was against the Admin. The Admin wasn't particularly getting along with the players. Generally the situation was FUBAR.
There was just a lot of bickering. A lot of metagaming. And a lot of poor players.
The last LoC ended because of inter-player conflict.
A faction of the players was against the Admin. The Admin wasn't particularly getting along with the players. Generally the situation was FUBAR.
There was just a lot of bickering. A lot of metagaming. And a lot of poor players.
Lack of interest. Everything got effectivly locked down between Matthew_Swift, playing Khavus, ff6, and Locke_Kant, playing Ra-Ver Alec. New players effectivly had no option but to create new land, and even that was likely to get them crushed by some god, or just be boring, since they're off by themselves.
Thx,
To Shadow: depends on what they does, I usually like things that add stuff or interact with my creations but gief more info first :p
Also I have decided that I'll definitely step out of the contient war to angel: and maybe it is better if we all do as conflict is ruining the "world making" concept of the game, or maybe we should find enemies that we can defeat, gief the Imperium and the god of conquest actually conquering something.
I have seen again that my action in Meribia\Silvera has little effect but that's oke this time the bad guys tend to loose in fantasy world after all hehe and the Unshaped definitely are bad guys, even if I think it would be nicer if, for example, some daring adventurers party found a way trough the teleport blockade after some kind of super hard mission, or some hero manage to defeat the possessed one that was creating the disorder in Meribia, that would sound more "D&D-ish" as fluff for the solved problems, maybe even adding some new named character to the world history. I know I'm never happy hehe...
I personally think that a land under occupation concept with lots of brush fire skirmishes could be cool, but clearly others disagree. If the course of the conflict doesn't change radically in the next couple of turns, I'll probably pull out. I'm not really sure how to write the Imperium from there though, as so far their focus has been retaking the Humite Lands. Deprived of this aim by an effectivly invincible alliance, they're kind of derectionless.
*shrug*
You're outnumbered is all. Plus the Imperium seems to be classical "bad guy."
Diplomaticaly retaking it might have had a different outcome. Just something bothersome about a nation like the Imperium on your backdoor, especially to Alexandria. Of course it's in THEIR interest to maintain an eternal war, since they're mercenaries and mercenaries don;t get paid without something to kill.
Actually, yeah that is a good comparison. I'll create the artifact, and send it there way, and I'll let you choose a city for it to land in. One that got to see the falling lights from the destruction of the Gossamer Sorrow.
Oki, if you want you can fluff a new city too (as long as it is part of the federation that compose the Free Nations I have nothing against that).
To Angel: the course of the war will not change unless something really unexpected happens (will it be possible for the Imerium or the Unshaped to "hire" the Alexandrian forces to fight for them for example?)
The Bronze Pantheon gods have stopped playing (or are inactive), so you should not expect extra help...
Beside will you ppl be oke if the Imperium, for example, turn its attention to Zophia (or some waker nation on the other contient) and manage to conquer some more land (an evil empire is not that scary if it always loose its wars hehe).
If you want angel the possessed dragon ambassador might try to convince the senate toward this option (allowing a semi honorable retreat).
Alexandria itself is committed, the mercenaries care a bit less of course.
Now I'm not sure how that would play out, and you would need quite the backing to manage anything (money makes the world go 'round).
Anyway I think we should be able to decide if it is possible in a turn or so (before angel decide if he should move the imperium away).
It's entirely possible the 'war' becomes something that just smolders continuously. Of course that requires everyone to agree.
Now it could be a retreat from Humite lands, but there's plenty of wasteland to be conquered, and the result would be that the Giants and the not-Giants could be in near continual war.
Which would make Alexandria happy as it's guilds sell their swords and services to anyone and everyone.
Ahh, well Alexandria trades in raw materials more than anything else. They don't use actual currency.
Oki, (maybe I'll introduce them to the arcane knowledge of currency if you agree :p) and if I remember well the Imperium itself is quite rich on resources (as its land was nourished many times with various materials by Angel).
Oki, (maybe I'll introduce them to the arcane knowledge of currency if you agree :p) and if I remember well the Imperium itself is quite rich on resources (as its land was nourished many times with various materials by Angel).
Alexandria actually had a standing trade agreement with the Imperium IIRC. And technically by the laws of Alexandria Imperium traders are still quite allowed into the Trade Quarter.
Whether they want to be there or not is the question, since they would have to be subjected to disarmamant and an armed guard (for their protection of course). And there's the matter of the war itself, the Imperium may not be OK with maintaining both trade and war. And of course certain trade goods are forbidden to traders from a nation with which Alexandria is warring.
(OOT, we should talk a little more about the new admins when we have more time)
PP Refresh
8 - Veros
7 -
6 - Xirinet, Vymrl, The Empress, Mara, Shurka, Hensen Jijou,
5 - Kiptar, Eijra, Hammu, Nixis
4 - Chroma, Azor-Chapien, Starl, Honissia, Torvek
Admin Awards
By unaminous decision, Chroma has 1 additional PP to spend this turn
As for the claiming of domains... I dont see why you couldn't, myself... I mean, I took Siccadan's Language domain without any problem, and we have several people involved in the bards, so if its a matter of duplication, theres no issue... unless we want to invalidate a TON of things
Now, Veros getting grumpy that people have hands in 'his' honeyjars, thats something else, but thats like Torvek trying to get the Sun domain... he still *could* have... there just would have been very unhappy people.And Siccadan actually claimed language after Neko.
Brings me to a point I've been meaning to bring up. Several gods over the course of the game have joined, then either not posted at all, or posted once or twice. Would anyone have an issue with retconning those gods out of existance. In each case they added little to nothing to the world.
Contenders include the following: Sessilee (Live-Laugh-Love), Ka (Voodooguy), Quel (Dagothi), The Void (Ganryu)
And yeah, I'm cool with retconning.
On another note... anyone have a line at the top of the page asking you to contact customer service? I dont want to deal with them if its something everyone is seeing.
I had to check, because there was a good chance I might have simply been overlooking it.
Duskpeak and Celeron are older still, but were not inhabitted during the full length of their existance.
Also, can you repost your god's name and domains?
Nobody. You were permitted to simply begin posting. . . last turn actually. Since you didn't seem to have noticed, you can begin this turn. You have 6 PP to spend.
Also, can you repost your god's name and domains?
Sure!
Name: Riulenna Toshonk
Domain: Protection, Precious metals(minor)
Physical Appearance: A beautiful woman made out of pure diamond, with. Adamantine bracers covering her wrists. Her armor is also made of adamantine, with glowing blue wards covering it. Her hair is in two pigtails, the right made of gold and the left of sliver. The head hair(or the part sans pigtails) is made of steel.
Symbol: A blue diamond on an adamantine tower shelid
Also I want to make Axiomatic Dragons in my next turns. What race do they go under?
As to your question...
Un-Edit: It depends. Are Axiomatic Dragons a single type of dragons, or, like metallic dragons, are they an entire class of dragon? Because if the former, then its going to be one 4 PP shape populace action. If its a class, then each type (gold, silver, etc...) is going to be an individual 4PP action. Expensive, yes... but these are DRAGONS we're talking about
And Chroma, why in the world havent I, the god of mischief, run into you, the god who loves to play? I am incoming. *nods*
Err... do you mind some extra chaos on Ardune? I might be smashing something into it in the next few rounds...
Yes, each type of dragon is it's own 4 PP populace.
I was thinkin of adding a few "adventure sites" to the world, these ones are based on things and places that I have made, gief opinions :p
The Hungry Forest
Once a lush forest, vibrating with life force this place have being corrupted by something in past ages and have become an hellish monument to the most brutal aspects of life, here everything is reduced to the most basic necessities, to breed and to eat, to devour or to be devoured.
At a first glance it might look like a normal area of the forest, maybe a little overgrown, even the plants here are locked in a struggle for survival, the trees keep getting taller and taller, with their branches trying to steal the light from the other plants and suffocating each other, forming a natural roof that pretty much block natural sunlight in the forest. Other vegetation have developed a parasitic nature, growing on the trunks and draining the life of the trees, killing them slowly, or devouring small creatures enticed by a pleasant perfume or the promise of an easy meal.
Due to the nature of the forest starvation is the main, and usually only, concern for its inhabitants, as it induce some kind of super accelerated metabolism that force living beings into a feeding frenzy, altering their diet so that the sustenance is gained only by feeding on still living preys. The place primal power turn even the more gentle beast into a starving aggressive predator, using the extra energy gained from the excessive feeding to produce claws, horns fangs or poisonous glands to better assault other prays. Living beings in the forest often live a quite intense and fast existence as they are busy hunting other creatures until they find something that devour them.
The forest effects are even amplified when they touch the minds of sentient creatures, that suffer from a strange disease that turn them into ravenous, starving monsters, there is no long term protection against this effect and even rituals designed to prevent affliction usually only allow a brief rest before the curse hit again.
The defiled nature of the place is totally hostile toward any form of civilization or magic, that tend to fail and decay extremely fast. Metal rust in a few hours, preceded by artificial materials and even gold is corrupted by that place, the last items to be destroyed are the ones produced by living creatures, but they still don’t last more than a day, magic of every form tend more and more to fail as the victim in transformed into a predator by the forest.
Escaping the Hungry forest restore the creatures to their original form, even if it usually require some time, up to a few weeks, and allow items to revert to the state they was before being introduced to that place. However while entering the forest is quite easy, running away is not as the very land is hungry and will not let its pray escape. The trees and the land bend around the borders of the forest and force the would be runaway to cut their ways trough a think forest, while the hungry and aggressive creatures are drawn to the place and cooperate to kill the victim, the curse also increase its effect, making surviving without eating other living creatures harder and harder with the passing minutes. If the creature decides to renounce to his purpose of running away this effect stop and he will “only” have to face the traditional dangers of the forest.
The only way to defeat the Hungry forest is to vanquish the evil being that it’s the source of the place corruption, quite an hard task since the beast is an unshaped horror of great age and power.
After a while the beast will come to look for harder prays (as player characters for example) scaring them but never fighting to the death, often appearing when the prisoners are fighting some other creatures and than going away. But in the end if they prove to be worthy prays it will begin to directly chase them and finally try a frontal assault for the kill. If the creature is defeated the ones who consumed its flesh are granted a brief time of immunity to the effect of the hungry forest and are allowed to escape, for now, haunted forever by the things that the hunger has forced them to do. Some time also, after almost exterminating a group of people it will allow a few of them to drink its blood and escape, the reasons of these actions are unknown but it is speculated that it does that to spread tales about the places and draw harder opponents and preys.
This kind of victory against the beast however, will not really stop it, as the creature is possessing the very forest and will just rebuilt a monstrous form and begin hunting again. The only way to totally defeat it is to find the heart of the forest and kill the Unshaped in its true form an act that will be hard even for epic heroes.
Legends and Lore,
The origin of the forest is unknown, someone tell about the fall of a fiery stone from the sky, that brought corruption to the place, other of a curse by an ancient fae prince against the former inhabitants of that place, but every legend about the place mention the hunger and the dark hunter that play with its victims and then kill even the most skilled warrior.
A story told that once an entire army fallen victim to the forest, as their general did not believe the tales about it and hoped to cut the enemy lines by passing trough that accursed place, only a few soldiers survived and they were found by the enemy army broken in bodies and mind near the forest limits, telling tales of unspeakable horror and fear.
Tales about werebeasts are also common in the communities that call the land near to the hungry forest their home, as some time the mutated creatures of the forest managed to escape for a brief time to wreak havoc in the countryside.
Adventure Hooks.
The Shortcut.
While in an hurry to reach an objective of another mission the heroes are forced to pass through the forest and become entangled in its corruption and fear.
The Nameless Beast.
When a community near to the forest becomes haunted by the massacre of cattle and unlucky people by an unknown horrific beast the inhabitants ask to the heroes to hunt for the monster in the hungry forest, they will soon be turned from hunters to preys.
The Lost Son
The son of a local nobleman or of a character friend decided that he wanted an adventure, went hunting in the forest and vanished, the heroes are tasked to recover him from the place but soon find out that he has become the new host of the Beast.
The Cleansing
A powerful king or fae creature ask the heroes to break the corruption of the hungry forest, or maybe one of them that has lost a friend to the place wants to end the Beast existence for good, an epic battle in the depths of the forest is about to begin.
Once a lush forest, vibrating with life force this place have being corrupted by something in past ages and have become an hellish monument to the most brutal aspects of life, here everything is reduced to the most basic necessities, to breed and to eat, to devour or to be devoured.
At a first glance it might look like a normal area of the forest, maybe a little overgrown, even the plants here are locked in a struggle for survival, the trees keep getting taller and taller, with their branches trying to steal the light from the other plants and suffocating each other, forming a natural roof that pretty much block natural sunlight in the forest. Other vegetation have developed a parasitic nature, growing on the trunks and draining the life of the trees, killing them slowly, or devouring small creatures enticed by a pleasant perfume or the promise of an easy meal.
Due to the nature of the forest starvation is the main, and usually only, concern for its inhabitants, as it induce some kind of super accelerated metabolism that force living beings into a feeding frenzy, altering their diet so that the sustenance is gained only by feeding on still living preys. The place primal power turn even the more gentle beast into a starving aggressive predator, using the extra energy gained from the excessive feeding to produce claws, horns fangs or poisonous glands to better assault other prays. Living beings in the forest often live a quite intense and fast existence as they are busy hunting other creatures until they find something that devour them.
The forest effects are even amplified when they touch the minds of sentient creatures, that suffer from a strange disease that turn them into ravenous, starving monsters, there is no long term protection against this effect and even rituals designed to prevent affliction usually only allow a brief rest before the curse hit again.
The defiled nature of the place is totally hostile toward any form of civilization or magic, that tend to fail and decay extremely fast. Metal rust in a few hours, preceded by artificial materials and even gold is corrupted by that place, the last items to be destroyed are the ones produced by living creatures, but they still don’t last more than a day, magic of every form tend more and more to fail as the victim in transformed into a predator by the forest.
Escaping the Hungry forest restore the creatures to their original form, even if it usually require some time, up to a few weeks, and allow items to revert to the state they was before being introduced to that place. However while entering the forest is quite easy, running away is not as the very land is hungry and will not let its pray escape. The trees and the land bend around the borders of the forest and force the would be runaway to cut their ways trough a think forest, while the hungry and aggressive creatures are drawn to the place and cooperate to kill the victim, the curse also increase its effect, making surviving without eating other living creatures harder and harder with the passing minutes. If the creature decides to renounce to his purpose of running away this effect stop and he will “only” have to face the traditional dangers of the forest.
The only way to defeat the Hungry forest is to vanquish the evil being that it’s the source of the place corruption, quite an hard task since the beast is an unshaped horror of great age and power.
After a while the beast will come to look for harder prays (as player characters for example) scaring them but never fighting to the death, often appearing when the prisoners are fighting some other creatures and than going away. But in the end if they prove to be worthy prays it will begin to directly chase them and finally try a frontal assault for the kill. If the creature is defeated the ones who consumed its flesh are granted a brief time of immunity to the effect of the hungry forest and are allowed to escape, for now, haunted forever by the things that the hunger has forced them to do. Some time also, after almost exterminating a group of people it will allow a few of them to drink its blood and escape, the reasons of these actions are unknown but it is speculated that it does that to spread tales about the places and draw harder opponents and preys.
This kind of victory against the beast however, will not really stop it, as the creature is possessing the very forest and will just rebuilt a monstrous form and begin hunting again. The only way to totally defeat it is to find the heart of the forest and kill the Unshaped in its true form an act that will be hard even for epic heroes.
Legends and Lore,
The origin of the forest is unknown, someone tell about the fall of a fiery stone from the sky, that brought corruption to the place, other of a curse by an ancient fae prince against the former inhabitants of that place, but every legend about the place mention the hunger and the dark hunter that play with its victims and then kill even the most skilled warrior.
A story told that once an entire army fallen victim to the forest, as their general did not believe the tales about it and hoped to cut the enemy lines by passing trough that accursed place, only a few soldiers survived and they were found by the enemy army broken in bodies and mind near the forest limits, telling tales of unspeakable horror and fear.
Tales about werebeasts are also common in the communities that call the land near to the hungry forest their home, as some time the mutated creatures of the forest managed to escape for a brief time to wreak havoc in the countryside.
Adventure Hooks.
The Shortcut.
While in an hurry to reach an objective of another mission the heroes are forced to pass through the forest and become entangled in its corruption and fear.
The Nameless Beast.
When a community near to the forest becomes haunted by the massacre of cattle and unlucky people by an unknown horrific beast the inhabitants ask to the heroes to hunt for the monster in the hungry forest, they will soon be turned from hunters to preys.
The Lost Son
The son of a local nobleman or of a character friend decided that he wanted an adventure, went hunting in the forest and vanished, the heroes are tasked to recover him from the place but soon find out that he has become the new host of the Beast.
The Cleansing
A powerful king or fae creature ask the heroes to break the corruption of the hungry forest, or maybe one of them that has lost a friend to the place wants to end the Beast existence for good, an epic battle in the depths of the forest is about to begin.
As for those examples, they're both flavourful and seem like good sites
Adding some adventure sites to the world might not be a bad idea actually. Most sites (like abandoned keeps, forests ripe with wolves etc) probably occur naturally and don't require any real thought put into them, but no reason we can't spend a mould PP evey now and again to make the odd Tomb of Horrors... except winnable :P
As for those examples, they're both flavourful and seem like good sites
Blasphemy... What's wrong with you? Unwinnable is a tradition!
2. Graxith, you made an error in your post (silly rules, I know), but you can't spend the PP from an exarch the turn you make it... gotta wait. Summoning Sickness
1. Angel, you've just creeped me out. And, well... Terena's gonna be a very spooky adventure site from now on, that I'm sure of.
2. Graxith, you made an error in your post (silly rules, I know), but you can't spend the PP from an exarch the turn you make it... gotta wait. Summoning Sickness
Eh, wasn't sure, hazard guessed, thanks Topheh
How much PP does it cost to create a world for the Mortal Stories? (In general, hw much PP does it take to Mold Land for mortals?)
Also, how do I make a group of people to live in the land?
heroic (example: humans) - 2 PP
paragon (example: drows) - 3 PP
Epic (example: Dragons): - 4 PP
Check this page http://lordsofcreation.wikia.com/wiki/Power_points for more details on how to spend points in creating stuff.
If you're just asking how you start RPing in Mortal stories, there's no PP required, just start RPing as a mortal, and thats it. If your mortal gets a special artifact, or casts a huge, world altering spell, you need to spend the relevant PP in the IC thread to let them do that, but... to start? no cost at all.
If you're asking how to create a race, Nerdzul has it exactly right.
If you're asking how to create some land... then Nerdzul has it right again. 1-3 PP, where 1 is an island and 3 is, well, quite a huge amount of land.
If you're asking how to create a separate plane, thats 2 or 4 PP, depending on whether its a minor demi-plane (like my Library) or a major plane (like the Chaos).
And if you're asking how many PPs it takes for a mortal to create some land? Mortals don't have PP, so its a moot question.
Edit: And yes, a whole world would be rather expensive. Many Dozens of PP got sunk into the world we have now, including around ten just to get the oceans going.
And yeah, the wiki is everybody's friend. If anyone wants more clarification on a page of the wiki, let me know.
Beacon is north of the Shattered Lands and Loremaster Keep is at southern base of Skypeak. And yes, Sivera has that much territory under it's purview.
Imperium
Alexandria
Iron States
Gargoyle Creation (technically no other nation can create more)
Noth
Madness
Life's Bane (specialty poison)
Wizards
Jewelcrafting
And I'm not sure what else. I think that covers most of it though.
Anyway time for me to log off, got to wake up soon tomorrow and it is getting a little late here.
Good night.
Humans:
Warden
Druid
Shaman
Barbarian
Sorceror
Warlock
Ranger
Silversmithing
Blacksmithing
Leatherworking
Rituals
Alchemy
Angels:
Black/Weapon/Armorsmithing
An a seperate note, Veros hasn't left. He's still there.
Anyway, it's important for our plans, so I'll wait until Nerdzul is on again before I make any edits and go on regardless... if worse comes to worse I'll just wait a cycle before making them worship Chroma and dip into his PP
And yes, this is sort of a time skip since it has to be done this cycle... which might make it a little difficult to keep track of I admit ^_^;
For the moment, leave the action in, and we'll assume he helped you with it, burning one of his artifact usages. If he decides he didn't want to do it that way, you can edit in a normal PP later.
Ironworking
Mythril-working
Adamantine working
Eldac Riding
Myrw (flying worms) riding
siege tactics
formation fighting
court system
Wizard
Swordsage
Berg-ships
Fighter
@Tophep, Yah, I don't usually go for needlessly gory, but I felt that recently the Imperium have become to anti-septic and modern. In the Medival ages terrible atrocities were committed, so I felt the, morbid, urge to add one. As to all the use of molten metal, actually got that from an incident when the Spanish were conquering South America under the "econimada" (mis-spelled) system. Some of their Incan slaves revolted and poured molten gold down the throats of their Spanish masters.
I hate to double post, but didn't Azor'Chapien and Veros already meet at one point? When I tried to get the elves to worship me?
Yeah, I remember that now. Must be Veros's age getting to his memory. Then again, it was a very short meeting, and you did just up and leave.
True.
EDIT: Do I have a turn to guide some of them back into the worship of Drakthor?
To players of Bronze Pantheon gods, since I think that Ritreaude left the game and we have some inactivity by most of the members I think I'll "proclaim myself" regent and begin some new recruitment is it ok for you?
To Anubis and Shadow: I'll help with the creation, not just give the artifact, so it will count in my max uses of artifacts this turn and anubis will be able to use both artifacts is it oke for you?
Drahthor created a pretty specific artifact set up to insure that his people would work that way, as well as working it out with the gods of death and spirits.
Azor'Chapien cocked his head and asked, "The inner world? I've never heard of such a thing before..."OOCYes, bring it up to MS, Nerdzul.
You might want to change the reality fracture to a teleport 2, as the dragon, being large, is a 2x2 creature, and teleport 1 will end up with him still in his, err... wake.
And I really like your flavor text for it, especially the part about each having its own weakness, and I immediately thought of something like a random vulnerable 5 (Like variable resistance, but instead just completely random). I gather that lore/flavor-wise it might be something more specific (like enjoying turkish delight, lets say), but it would add an interesting twist mechanically.
Angel, Just so I have this right, the Imperium is retreating and returning whats left of Terena to the Humites, correct?
And a question of my own. What happens to an air creature exposed to aether? I know breathing is going to be a problem, but do we need to worry about, you know... death from pressure differences and the like?
Mmm, yes hehe I should increase the teleport to 2 hehe.
Do you think that the creature is balanced?
With dragon is easy after I make the first age category the other can be just do some levelling and add a few flavorful ability and they will all be ready.
After I finish the creature entry maybe I'll make some mechanical effect for their weaknesses.
It is applied on an hit with the tail, all the other stuff should be an effect.
Maybe I can reduce that to a fixed number (like 3 or so) or change it to just hit characters who end their turn in the area or move in it (so that if you move away you can avoid the damages)
We should find a way to have some playtesting hehe...
(same for my other stuff, living illusions and beasts of lies)
Nerdzul, a quick question. What is the purpose and mission statement of the Bronze Pantheon? Is it a bunch of neutral--> evil gods, or is it open to anyone? (i.e. should I keep going on my idea to create an opposing pantheon of good --> neutral gods?)
I think that would work. Or you could expand the warp-tail action and have the tail attack teleport the hapless victims away, leaving a vortex of unstable reality in their wake. Having the breath weapon deal the damage as an effect is fine, by my book, as is the self-teleport's action.
Nerdzul, a quick question. What is the purpose and mission statement of the Bronze Pantheon? Is it a bunch of neutral--> evil gods, or is it open to anyone? (i.e. should I keep going on my idea to create an opposing pantheon of good --> neutral gods?)
Nixis, if you want to form another Pantheon, I would join.
And I think I'll scrap the idea of an "evil pantheon" as dealing with conflict is quite hard both for players and admins.
So the Pantheon will become open to anyone I think (Nixis too if he is interested).
here is the last version of the Warp Dragon.
I think that Hensen will try to recruit new gods into the Bronze Pantheon (and I was thinking of Azor Chapien too), after all a god of knights does not fit that bad with War and Justice (vymrl and Hammu).
And I think I'll scrap the idea of an "evil pantheon" as dealing with conflict is quite hard both for players and admins.
So the Pantheon will become open to anyone I think (Nixis too if he is interested).
here is the last version of the Warp Dragon.
*shelves idea for a future time*
Anyway It's really time to go to sleep for me, less than 5h before I have to wake up, see you tomorrow ppl ;)
I mean, what? no I didnt. check the post again. :p
Off for a bit, making dinner and whatnot.
Even then, they didn't provide access to the aether, instead providing access to the frost giants most ancient home, what remains of it at least.
AngeloftheNight, bas news. You seem to have forgotten, but the Twin Zephyrs got destroyed long ago, by Oravolos.
Even then, they didn't provide access to the aether, instead providing access to the frost giants most ancient home, what remains of it at least.
Well I think that we can find a way to remake them (and to alter their power so that they earn the ability to allow travel trough the Aether)...
Not saying they couldn't be rebuilt, just pointing out that they are broken.
And I'm enjoying the game of 'follow the bouncing donated PP'
And Anubis, don't forget the extra PP you have this turn... you still have 1 left.
Drahthor nodded towards young Hensen, "I am in agreement that the God who rules guides or creates the race in question should be venerated as the head of the Pantheon, and will be more than willing to extend this to the sahaugin and even my new lolsalfar servants. However, the very life cycle of the Drahkorn is tied intrinsically to their worship of me, as such I cannot spread the pantheons faith to my first children. But that is all incidental, for I agree with the basics of the plan put forward so far."
I'll do after next reset (when I'll have angel points + mine to spend)
Btw do you know why Ritreaude left?
I have not decided what it does mechanincally (maybe some path for the priest class or a custom one for warlocks)...
Edit: Scratch that, make it 10.
Turn 46 begins now. 11,500 years have elapsed since the beginning of existence.
PP Refresh
8 - Veros
7 -
6 - Xirinet, Vymrl, The Empress, Shurka, Mara, Hensen Jijou,
5 - Kiptar, Eijra, Nixis, Hammu,
4 - Chroma, Azor-Chapien, Starl, Honissia, Torvek
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Chroma has 1 additional PP to spend this turn
Chapien has 1 additional PP to spend this turn
Chapien has 1 additional PP to spend this turn
But I can see why you won it
Don't look the gift horse in the mouth?
But I can see why you won it
Oh?
And I've been playing around with the new Monster Creator and its REALLY easy to make creatures with them.
Chapien, you do good RP :P
I'm touched. Really touched
(those are happy tears).Mecha, do you want me to hold off on bringing the gnome/humites back to Terena?
Edit: Tryed the Monster Creator. It's very... buggy.
And I'll hold off till I get back or you are ready for it.
And I'm off! See everybody wednesday.
With the Drahkorn life cycle disrupted, there population is going to slowly be reduced.
Second, AngeloftheNight, Mindflayers have already been created, so your Shape is not valid.
I'm aware I am backlogged a bit on a couple things. *coughs*.
Angel: Thanks
It just kinda came to me that all that raw creepiness shouldn't go to waste with a 'and then they came in and restored the place to how it was, and the Mournelord died.' Although now I think I'm going down a road of having a rather more creepy Exarch than I think Nixis would sterotypically have... this should be fun.On that note:
If people are interested, I have an adventure brewing in my head... I can't commit to DMing a whole campaign PbP, but I'll run people through Buried Terena if there is any desire. Probably Late Heroic/Early Paragon.
Angel: Thanks It just kinda came to me that all that raw creepiness shouldn't go to waste with a 'and then they came in and restored the place to how it was, and the Mournelord died.' Although now I think I'm going down a road of having a rather more creepy Exarch than I think Nixis would sterotypically have... this should be fun.
That's exactly the kind of action that I appreciate ;)
Nerdzul: Are you going to want to have an MS discussion with specific points regarding the guilds or is this more general?
As you prefer.
To Chapien: I'm back if you want we can go on in mortal stories.
Especially in MS.
It is a pleasure for me to play that ms game with Chapien :P
I find MS quite more pleasing when the outcome is agreed so useless conflict is avoided, the point of this one is not the dragon taking over a portion of Azora but an hero defeating him in the end (our world lack any classic legens about knights and dragons hehe).
To Agnel: goodbye mate :P
I should try that monster maker software too, I have to stats a lot of creatures yet :p
It is a pleasure for me to play that ms game with Chapien :P
*shrugs* It wouldn't be possible without people to RP with.
Chapien, I wa sjust going over the world map . . . it's not possible for the Azorans to sail to Terena. Also, your castle is going to cause trouble. . . as your either building it in the Gray Wastes, or building it in Meribian territory.
I'll fix that.
It'd be longer, but they could negotiate through Defnes Coalition lands followed by Sivera.
Or they can march directly through the Gray Wastes, though that would doubtlessly inflict heavy casualties.
Honestly Chapien, a quick mortal affair with Meribia and you can get free passage there. They have no reason to have any problems with the Azorans.
Anyway, I just had an idea! We could start a LoC Facebook group.
I'm probably the only teenager in the world without one
Sorry, don't have a Facebook account.
I'm probably the only teenager in the world without one
Actually you've got other no-facebook company.
Couple things that I want to get straightened out here.
1): I saw the reposted maps, but shadow, you keep forgetting that the warforged are on the northwest peninsula of the main continent, north of the main continent. I have said this before, and gotten no response.
2): Whatever happened to my entry into the Bronze Pantheon? It hasn't been mentioned in a while, or is this because almost none of the members have played in a while?
Heya Ekluag welcome back.
About the Bronze Pantheon we had some player that became inactive, namely Ritreaude (so Drathor can't admit any new members) and the Empress.
Hensen have proclaimed himsefl regent of Drathor and begun expanding the Bronze Pantheon recently, I was waiting for you to be back so that you could join officially.
No Facebook either, never saw the point.
Can I get somebody to use his PP to get more members of the guild and get the other assassins of the different races worshiping honissia? [I've got the Humites in the guild and the Humans both in the guild and worshiping] The warforged are fine for now so really all I want is expansion of the guild.
;(
On an LoC not (it was a slow day), two things.
1. You'll need to alter the race itself as well to accept not Drahthor souls.
2. Ekluag, how are warforged punching through the Azure Aegis to get into the aether. To my knowledge, none of the mortal races have anything potent enough to do it reliably and on a regular basis (Imperium excluded).
"I have many, my lord"
"Finding your people was quite lucky for us, what we want first is knowledge of this continent and its inhabitants and I think that you, and your people will be able to tell us much about its wonders."
"We also seek for new allies there and a place where we can establish a small colony, to begin trading with you if you are interested"
"Our artisans are capable of producing a lot of products that will help your people life" Told ambassador Yoven.
"And maybe weapons for your armies should you ever need some..." Added lady Zhara.
The kings smile wilted some, and he leaned back in his chair, "So the lady is an expert on my military now is she?"
"No matter." The King said, his disposition changing to more open again, and he looked back at Yozen. "So my ambassador tells me you are aware of other nations in the world. Tell me about them."OOC
While this probably would have been chatted about on the journey, what I am looking for is an IC description talk of what nations/races you have contact trade with, particularly looking for the Eladrin/Loremasters, but generally anything. The way you word this is somewhat important and is why I want to have you write it out. The more descriptive you are, the better for me
Also, you should know that there are no Terenan's in Terena yet. . . currently being rebuilt and protected under the allied army. The Terenan's haven't come back from the feywild. At least not that I saw posted anywhere.
I made them as a fluff object, and also because the fluff for giving the warforged paladin class was easier with them. Never got to post it, but oh well.
Hmm, how far are we from this world´s completion?
We go until everyone stops.
Pretty much anyway.
As long as there's a decent contingent to keep playing around the game continues.
Ekluag, could you link me to the original gear gate post? Or at least tell me how much the original cost?
A reminder, that artifacts do have semi-ranges. A 1 PP artifact is a localized effect. A 2 PP artifact is a much larger effect, similar in size to the Gray Wastes (though the Gray Wastes are a smaller then they could have been), and 3 PP artifacts can have continent wide effects. These are not hard rules on effect size, and I'm a lax with this rule of thumb when it comes to teleportation and gateway effect (since they don't actually effect the area they cover), but they still serve as general guidlines. Also, a 2 PP artifact + a 1 PP artifact does not equal a 3 PP artifact in effect.
On a non-rules related note, I don't think it's appropriate to place that kind of travel in mortal hands as part of building the world anyways. Your intended goal sounds like it is effectively going to let the Iron State go anywhere and everywhere, ignoring intervening terrain, without any real difficultuies.
Feel free to ignore this post. I'm testing a couple of things.
Honestly Chapien, I didn't really think anyone would ignore it. I figured I'd get questioned sooner.
Can you please link to the post to that effect, Nerdzul? I never saw it or I would have said something. You can't give away PP you don't have yet, so you won't be able to use his PP for this coming turn.
Honestly Chapien, I didn't really think anyone would ignore it. I figured I'd get questioned sooner.
Honestly since It can't be done I'll not waste my time in looking for that post... bah...
1, It's a nourish to add metals to land.
2. No Bulwark this turn. It was a one turn deal.
3. If the reset was to get posted, your post would be ignored. Just a heads up. Better to ask me to delay then post and hope you make it in time.
And I did not realize that :embarrass . I should be done pretty soon, mind delaying until then if I take a little longer than expected? ^_^;
Knightmares=AWESOME!
Yay for more adventure in Azora!
And we both added metal to Ardune this turn. Fair to note, yes, skeletons were done, though I left out the Tomb Guardians when I did it.
And sorry about underestimating the time until the reset, the forum times display times different to my time zone, so when I logged in and saw a post saying that it was going to reset in three hours with a time I couldn't work out what it was compared to now with tonnes of PP left unspent I kind of panicked :embarrass
The loremasters, no longer co-coordinating the defense of the continent, turned their attention back to their task. Slowly but surely, their enclaves spread into Menosa in the west and Zophar to the north. With this expansion, minotaurs began to join the ranks and the organization prospered.
Veros called out again. “Mara!? Where are you?”
PP Expenditures
1 PP (Artifact) - Guide Populace (Lesser) - Loremasters begin sending expeditions to Zophar
Well I was thinking that the Imperium should try to conquer Zophar (so at least once in the history of the servants of the god of Conquest they will actually conquer something... amazing uh?)
However I guess that the almighty loremaster (that at the moment can freely rule the planet without any real competitor I think) will send again the whole world against them should they try? Or me and Angel can go freely for that?
Tinwe, with the Well friendly with minotaurs, you qualify for a discount there.
Yeah, I didn't see your post until after I made mine. Great minds think alike, huh?
A reminder, that artifacts do have semi-ranges. A 1 PP artifact is a localized effect. A 2 PP artifact is a much larger effect, similar in size to the Gray Wastes (though the Gray Wastes are a smaller then they could have been), and 3 PP artifacts can have continent wide effects. These are not hard rules on effect size, and I'm a lax with this rule of thumb when it comes to teleportation and gateway effect (since they don't actually effect the area they cover), but they still serve as general guidlines. Also, a 2 PP artifact + a 1 PP artifact does not equal a 3 PP artifact in effect.
Eorna is a 6PP artifact. I wanted it to be the focus for all healing, so if it's destroyed, mortals can't heal anymore (without making a new focus). Is that okay, or is it a no-no since it's world-wide rather than continent-wide.
Also, I have an idea what those tests were for...
Okay, so the three states are fluff, and the core is still under the nation of Terena for the pupose of PP?
As for Eorna being the focus of healing, that is an odd one. I guess it would be effectively investing Eorna with the healing domain. In effect, if Shurka were to die, healing continues because Eorna exists. If Eorna dies, healing ceases, even though Shurka still remains as the god of healing. It's a fluff action, which you should post IC as doing.
Edit:Ardune's Genasi have been cut off as an nation due to their unique nature. They have no trade with anyone right now.
Also, Mechalibur, envoys from Meribia, Sivera, and theLoremasters have been seeking Terena's leaders. Can we get that going in MS?
MassiveAttack, Veros is looking for Mara.
I haven't been looking at the MS thread. If anything there concerns me, mentioning it here (or via PM) is a good idea.
mmm I think I should pay an IC visit to Mara and Shurka too, one day...
And also send a new Free Nation envoy to the new Terena (if they are still interested in trading relations).
Soo many things to do hehe..
To Shadow: I'd appreciate if you reply to the question in my last post (so that I don't waste actions on that). Also can you post the Drahkorn techs and nourishes (so that I have some idea about what to teach them).
To Chapien and Massive: I have replied to both in mortal stories.
Silvena is a group of elves on Taldar.
The names are similar and I frequently get them mixed up when typing.
PP Refresh
8 - Veros
7 -
6 - Xirinet, Vymrl, The Empress, Shurka, Mara, Hensen Jijou,
5 - Kiptar, Eijra, Nixis, Hammu, Chroma
4 - Azor-Chapien, Starl, Honissia, Torvek
Sorry for the delay. My grandmother is now home from the hospital, and she came along to pick up ordered subs. . . decided to go grocery shopping.
While I'm already posting, five PP per turn? Sweet :D
Like those Zaratans...
Hmm...
Any action you make in the game will result in you eventually going up in PP production points. Only Shadow knows the exact formula and he keeps it safe in a giant lockbox.
*end party line*
But obviously different things effect the equation in more relevant ways, and I suspect, like Anubis, that having large nations worship you is good... so... get a lot of large nations worshiping you, at least in part.
Probably now that you're part of the Pantheon, you'll see things pick up shortly. I can't imagine you're *too* far away.
*gives party line*
Any action you make in the game will result in you eventually going up in PP production points. Only Shadow knows the exact formula and he keeps it safe in a giant lockbox.
*end party line*
But obviously different things effect the equation in more relevant ways, and I suspect, like Anubis, that having large nations worship you is good... so... get a lot of large nations worshiping you, at least in part.
Probably now that you're part of the Pantheon, you'll see things pick up shortly. I can't imagine you're *too* far away.
Beside we should peek at that lockbox some time ...
I have the impression that the Pantheon does not give any benefit (and if I know shadow well probably it is disadvantage in term of PP hehe...)
Btw I was thinking to expand the Panetheon faith to the whole continent, however since I have spent like 8 points to bring it to the drakhons last two turns (2 pp guide, 3 create and 3 shape populace) I don't feel like spending all my points on that, any god of the Pantheon willing to contribute? :p
To Massive: I like the idea of Tobacco hehe maybe we should work out some "exportation", with the Free Nations forming a "Western India Company"-like guild to begin distribution in the continent hehe...
Anyway I think I'll do a quick reply to Massive in mortal stories and than go offline, bb ppl ;) see you tomorrow...
Also, I hope I got the details on scoruge dragons right (no hind legs, no wings, embodiment of things that afflict mortals), I don't really have any experience on them and I couldn't find much info on them online...
At least I hope not.
I'm still a bit annoyed that not one god has 7PP a turn. I mean, I understand that none of the other gods have the same PP a turn as Veros, but when it's off by two, I think that's a bit odd.
Considering that there are only a few gods even approaching Veros expenditures in PP over the course of the game I'm not particularly surprised.
I mean... How many of the originals are left at this point? All the oldest (plating) gods are at 6 IIRC.
Hmm... this may pose us a problem... how can I approach in indignation we can't talk? The Ae-sylvani can't breathe air, right?
I thought the Ae-Silvani can breath air and not aether, hence why the valin trees suck it up, and why they need those spherical ships to fly around.
I've been here since... what, turn 3? I'm just not sure what exactly I'm supposed to do, or if any actions I take aren't helping my PP gain at all, while every action Veros takes could be. The problem is I have no idea how to get closer, and I'm starting to think Veros' PP a turn will exponentially increase until he's three, or maybe even four, PP away from the next closest god.
Bekieve me; it won't exponentially increase. Unless EVERYONE in the 6 slot begins giving Veros' all their PP each turn he's only ever going to be 1 or 2 points ahead of everyone. Or, you know, people stop spending their PP.
To Chapien; I was thinking, why not include a Knightmare in the tournament? If you want you can make a post about it and than we can go on with other stuff in the mortal stories :p
Well, I've got settled into my new house... and now we've got internet at home! Now I don't have to walk to the frickin' Library everyday to acess the Forums now! Hoorah!!! :D
The house is great, and I do love the neighborhood!
The only problem: My current school situation. I'm just a few blocks from another school (Shorecrest), and I want to finish at Bothell High. My dad wants me to go to Shorecrest- if they have a Drafting class. Any suggestions? ...or is that not appropriate?
Next week: Starting sometime tomorrow I'll be in vacation mode, and most likely away from any computers. Because of that the next two resets I'll be inactive. I thought I should give a heads-up.
Xeadin: Gratz on home internet. I've moved around a lot, and I have to say. It's always better to stay in the scholl you've been in whenever possible.
Next week: Starting sometime tomorrow I'll be in vacation mode, and most likely away from any computers. Because of that the next two resets I'll be inactive. I thought I should give a heads-up.
Thanks, Wyld.
Wow... I missed alot since I've last been on here... What's happening with everyone on the IC Thread?
While I'm gone... I told ff6 that he's OK to handle any Alexandria-related narratives that need to be handled while I'm gone. He IS one of the gods that's officially worshipped by the nation.
Well, I've figured out that High Schools don't offer Drafting as a High School course program- BUT, it is offered as a NEVAC course. Now I don't know which school to attend...
Well, nighty night everyone. I'm off to go to Fort Camby with my [step] grandparents this weekend.
To Wild: have a nice holiday
TO Shadow: Wow it is lovable to be ignore by you both in MS and in OOC.
Can I ask you again the techs and nourishe of the Drahkorn and expect a reply?
5 nourishes
Techs are... lengthy:
literacy
sorceror
paladin
warlord
agriculture
stoneworking
weaving
bags of holding
glasswork
alchemy
advanced math/physics
metallurgy
advanced architecture
ritual casting
weaponsmithing
leather-working
Plus anything thats happened in the last two weeks, and anything that didn't explicitly mention the Drahkor.
On that note, I apologize for falling behind on the expenditures and storyline... life's been busy. I'll try and catch up this coming week.
I'll dig around in MS and see if I can find what I missed.
Feel free to restart it, but it should go in the play by post boards located here:
http://forums.gleemax.com/forumdisplay.php?f=808