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Currently the Admins (and their gods) of the game are:
Name of God: Tziyoti
Starting Domain: Water
Physical Appearance: An old man seemingly made out of coral with hair of fine seaweed. Water constantly flows from the pores of his skin, slightly flooding the surrounding area wherever he goes.
Symbol: A wave
Titles: The Wave that Speaks, The Roaring Tide, The Shouting Waters.
Personality/Core Concept: Take the Old Man of the Sea, throw in a good streak of indifference and a love of fine meats and you have my God.
Starting Domain: Cold/Ice
Physical Appearance: Old as time itself, skin blue as the sky, eyes white as snow, hair covered in frost, his steps makes the earth die, his body blocks out the sun..larger then life itself. The god of Ice takes the form of an enormous humanoid, larger then the very mountains.
Symbol: A disc of ice
Titles: The sleeping one, The eternal God, The first giant
Concept: A father for Gianthood, Monsters and cruel, bitter things to stalk the darker places of the world.
Starting Domain: Earth
Physical Appearance: a wingless obsidian dragon, with gemstone eyes, barely visible veins of magma and precious metals and a long white and golden beard, that rests on an immense pile of treasures and gold, or an obsidian titan, with a peaceful expression, finely dressed and carrying a large hammer.
Symbol: a coin, with a dragon on one side and an hammer on the other.
Titles: The Living Stone, The Wealthy One, The Greedy One, The Relentless Beast, The Architect of Worlds, the Shaper.
Concept: a god of stones, moutains and what lies under the surface of the earth (both riches and dangers), a peaceful being, but terrifyng when irate, sometime a mix of Hades non death aspects and Hephaestus.
Name of God: Ebel
Starting Domain: Elemental (see below for explanation of this unusual domain)
Physical Appearance: Ebel's physical appearance is largely dependent on the environment that surrounds her. In barren lands, for example, she might take on the appearance of a famine-wracked humanoid with hollow eyes. In coastal waters she might appear as a school of fish. Etc.
Symbol: None
Titles: Great Mother
Personality/Core Concept: I'll be playing a starting god who's entire purpose is really just to ascend other gods. By week 2 or 3 she'll fade from existence. That being said, while she's around, she will be a motherly figure, attempting to nurture the other gods and the world, although she has no reserve about physically punishing those who step out of line.
Name of God: Emar
Starting Domain: Life
Physical Appearance: A middle aged or old man, bearded and moustached. He usually appears dressed in the robes of a philosopher or monk. He also has another form - a confusing, dimension-warping amalgamation of every mortal life form that exists or could potentially exist - but this true form is rarely seen.
Symbol: A bird´s egg against a green background.
Titles: the Observer, the Gardener, the Enabler of Life.
Concept: He´s basically a natural philosopher who causes life to appear and diversify just by the act of studying it. Not sure if I can think of an analogue from real world mythology. A dispassionate god, more concerned about the welfare of life as a whole than any individual life form.
Starting Domain: Wind
Physical Appearance: She has no form but the quick western wind, the bright sirocco that gales from the north, the spirited gusts that whip the sands. And when circumstance calls for form, she marshals the ice crystals and the water vapour and manufactures a body of whitest cirrus. But when a darker wind blows, her clouds become stormy, pregnant with rain and crackling with lightning.
Symbol: A spiral shape with three tails.
Titles: Bad Wind
Personality/Core Concept: She is the wind that brings bad fortune. The mortal races curse her passing for it brings floods and plague and famine in its wake. Disasters of all sorts are attributed to this fell goddess. She is not an actively destructive god, but rather passively so. I t is her creed that all that is must some day come to a close. Rarely, however, does she do more than ease things along in their course, pushing or pulling where she feels things are going too slow or too fast. Her work is disastrous, yes, but necessary, and she never ends anything before its time. Everything has a course, and it is her duty to uphold that.
Starting Domain: Fire
Physical Appearance: A billowing, flowing creature, dripping with living flames. It is vaguely kite-shaped, has a "head" (though there is no physical differentiation upon it) at the top of the body, and two "sleeves" of fire that end in sharp claws. It is wholly wrought from fire.
Starting Domain: The Depths
Physical Appearance: Located in the deepest region of the sea, a gaping maw leading to nowhere, with a giant lidless eye in the center. It is surrounded by hundreds of small tentacles, each covered with hundreds of smaller eyes. Eight large tentacles are placed symmetrical around the ridge of the maw, seemingly grasping at random. The eye constantly tears black ink, bringing the darkness to the deep...
Symbol: A lidless eye, surounded by eight tentacles
Titles: The Kraken, The Deep Dweller, The Eight
Personality/Core Concept: C’thruul possesses a fragmented conscience, broken into eight slivers. It serves as the nexus for eight individual demigods, each serving as one of it's 'arms' and which will show up one by one in time.
Name of God: The Crawling Thunder. This god's true name was written in the book of a world, but certainly not this one.
Starting Domain: Storms/Weather
Physical Appearance: A serpentine raincloud with thunderbolts constantly stabbing into the earth
Symbol: A thundercloud with chains rather than lightningbolts
Titles: , The Chained Cloud, The Iron-Hearted Storm
Personality/Core Concept: I want to play with the idea of the Gate with this god. Some of you've probably already realized what this character is based on. For those who haven't, this god's machinations eventually destroyed an entire world. The Crawling Thunder is the shell of that god, a fraction of it's former power with only a fragment of it's memories.
I hate it when I think of something and then lose it an hour later.Name of God: Erainull
Starting Domain: Civilization
Physical Appearance: A hawk-like being with a deep blue robe, and a leather-bound book in one of her hands.
Symbol: An eye situated on top of an infinity symbol-- backed by a golden leather t-shape with feathers on the bottom and top. A blue orb rests on the left and a ruby gem rests on the right.
Titles: The Provider; Rathian Incarnate; The Celestial Sun
Personality/Core Concept: Eranull is the spirit of the mortal lands-- her breath gives knowledge, her thoughts bring settlements together, her anger ignites war. She is the very definition of civilization-- bringing culture and religion to new heights. Her care for the mortal world does not trump her allegiances to the divine realm of the gods, as her calm and collective mood exemplifies her beauty and tolerance-- she is, however, bleak in some regards.
Starting Domain: Death
Physical Appearance: A mindflayer with a pair of raven wings wearing dark clothes suitable for funeral wear.
Symbol: A small light on a field of black, with tentacles coming in from every direction to grasp it. What this means differs by how they feel about the Silent One... some say it's the Silent One caressing and caring for a soul in death, other say the Silent One's tentacles are attempting to consume it.
Titles: The Silent One, The Sovereign Of Souls, The Thief Of Breath, The Name That Must Not Be Spoken
Personality/Core Concept:
"Gather around children, I wish to tell you something. Now, you know me as a teller of tales, but let me say it here and now... this is NOT some story for you to enjoy, or to dream of, or even to speak of except when warning others like I am you now. No, this is a warning... few speak of it, because no-one wants to think of it. But if I don't tell you, no-one will, and if I don't... I don't even want to think about what might become of you if I don't.
"Tell me kids, have any of you known anyone who's died? You can put your hands down children, I'm sure you all have. Now tell me something else... you've all heard of the god of fire, and the god of life, and even the god of darkness. When was the last time your parents spoke of the god of death? Ah, see no-one raised their hands that time... do you know why that is? It's because the other gods are... well, not all are good mine, but all of them have a sense of responsibility to their domains. The god of fire doesn't want the world to burn, and actually tends to fires. The god of life doesn't want there to not be death, and he sure as hell isn't going to stop caring about the spread of life! The god of death though... if he was fire, the world would burn. If he were life, we would be choked under the sheer mass of living things that would come forth from his ambitions. As it is, he's the god of death, and needless to say, he likes to spread it. But that's not all... he doesn't want death. He wants souls.
"They call him The Silent One. Don't say the name! The last thing we want to do is draw his attention. He's the god in charge of death, and the souls of the dead for that matter. Many will tell you that he's not a bad god, and that it's simply that he's been given a bad name for the work he does... mad fools or ignorant louts the lot of them. The Thief Of Breath is more vile and despicable than the god of evil himself, curse his name. He relishes in twisting his own power to form undead to gather more lives for him to take, and delights in tempting mortals with promises of power, immortality or other silly things in exchange for their immortal souls. And every soul he gathers makes him stronger, more powerful. He schemes inside his schemes, plotting plots within plots within plots to further his own goals. Not even the gods are exempt for his machinations, The Thief Of Breath attempting to play them and mortals alike as chess pieces in his grand game against... who knows? Perhaps he's mad, playing a game with no opponent. Perhaps he's playing for nothing else but to get better than anyone else who might one day take a seat. Or perhaps he's playing against the whole world.
"What's that child? Why do they call him The Name That Must Not Be Spoken? Well it's certainly not because he doesn't speak... by all accounts, he's vocal, and loves to speak of his grand plans when none can stop him or speak silver tongued lies when it serves his purposes. And it's not even because those who speak his name, or truest title rather draw his attention. And you never want Death to look at you, even for an instant... no, it is because of none of these things. When The Name That Must Not Be Spoken wants a life... no-one hears him. No-one sees him. No-one even senses him. He just... does it. And the only tale he tells of his presence is the silence of the old man dead on his bed, silence as the stranger in the alleyway slowly bleeds to death, silence as the battle ends and only hundreds upon hundreds of dead soldiers remain on the field... he leaves no mark, no trace, no tell of his presence or the extent of his schemes, but mark my words... when silence falls, HE is responsible.
"Now remember children... remember, even though you will wish to blight this from your mind and recall it never again. Tell this to your own children one day, or to the villages children like I am now. For even though knowing of such an evil, such a darkness, especially entwined on the very death we must all face one day... not knowing even as he seeks to embrace us all in his darkness is far, far worse."
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Okay, got a little carried away on the concept I guess 
Little bit . Sorry for not posting on the city for a while either, keep meaning to catch up and making a new family since my current one just... doesn't interest me, but keep putting it off heh ^_^;
Also, I don't think it counts as Itja-Rek unless you replacec 'to make him stronger' with 'because he's a cleptomaniac'
........That is quite shiny, isn't it?
I got approved!
Name of God: Tsavor
Starting Domain: Disease/Destruction
Physical Appearance: Tsavor looks (and smells) quite similar to a troglodyte. A 10-foot-tall red troglodyte.
Symbol: A badly cracked skull.
Titles: The Plague King, The Reaver, The Lord of Bones.
Personality/Core Concept: Tsavor's greatest joy is watching things squirm as they die. He is violent and utterly sadisic. Tsavor has a horrible temper and is prone to torturing those who displease him.
While I'm posting, I'd like to ask that no one else create troglodytes. The basically embody both the disease and destruction and I'd really like them to by Tsavor's primary worshippers.
Hey so we've got a reasonable amount of gods, can we like... have an IC thread?
I think we're going to wait until a little after New Year's.
Starting Domain: Sun
Physical Description: A glowing female humanoid with four arms.
Symbol: The sun with a knife going through.
Titles: The Sustainer, The Suffering Maiden, The Tormentor
Personality/Core Concept: Tsoriena very pain focused deity. She believes that suffering ultimately results in greater strength and wisdom. The sun's life sustaining rays are the result of her endless anguish, and its more dangerous rays come from moments of intense agony. Her followers tend to form large numbers of sects, all focused on some form of sacrifice for the greater good, with very little centralization, alternatively cooperating and fighting with each other. The Suffering Maiden doesn't care how the injury is inflicted, as long as it is. She cares greatly for the world's mortals, and occasionaly harms them only because she thinks it is for the best.
Anubis and Abo, your gods strike me at once so if you're interested in being ascended, drop me a line.
Starting Domain: Magic
Physical Description: He appears to be a very old man of whatever race the viewer happens to be. Gods see him as a blank slate race (think doppleganger and changelings real form).
Titles: The Mage Lord, the Eternal Researcher
Personality/Core Concept: He desires two diferent things. One is the continuing spread and use of magic, without inhibition, or restraint. The other is the freedom to continually run experiments on reality, and those within it. Because if you don't understand the reality you live in, how are you going to be able to work with it?
In case anyone was wondering, since Ebel's primary purpose is to create other gods, she was given 9 PP to start with so that she'd be able to ascend more than just one god.
Generally, it sounds like a lot of people are in favor of focusing on just one continent for now: after the first continent is raised, it is asked that anyone who wants to raise another discuss it here first (islands and the sort, however, are free game, I think)
And the stupid back button eats my post. Now to repost a slightly more mediocre version of the first....
Rackenfracken...
Starting Domain: Moon/Night
Physical Description: A tall dark-skinned elf, or will be seen sometimes as a running wolf
Symbol: A crescent moon
Titles: The hunting moon, The lovers light, Rogue Light, Silver wisp and whatever else people may want to call their night during their activities.
Personality/Core Concept:Many things happen at night, both good and bad. Rogues, ply their trades under the cover of darkness, lovers have their trysts under the light of the moon, hunters hunt their prey under both. Whatever the motive may be, for good or for evil there will always be the watcher. Shedding his silvery light upon all when he's watching, taking it away when he's not. While a mostly peaceful god, he's not naive. He sees what goes on under the cover of night.
I'll work on this concept more later as I watch what plays out, and I get more ideas.
No worries. I'll wait
IC thread has been created. Ara, Nerdzul, you are good to go. You both have 4pp. (to note, if it looks like things are going too slow this first week due to a PP bottleneck, we might have an early reset)
In case anyone was wondering, since Ebel's primary purpose is to create other gods, she was given 9 PP to start with so that she'd be able to ascend more than just one god.
Generally, it sounds like a lot of people are in favor of focusing on just one continent for now: after the first continent is raised, it is asked that anyone who wants to raise another discuss it here first (islands and the sort, however, are free game, I think)
I was thinking... expecially since we don't have many "creator" gods what if Ebel also give life to the sentient races (humans maybe, elves?) so that they are not direct spwans of a specific gods?
IMO.
anyway I'm a little busy now but I'll post in ic in 15-30 min :p
This isn't to say that this IS how they look like, just my own vision of them.
Nerdzul, alas, I'm not sure Ebel will be around long enough to do that, but again, if other people are on board, I am game.
Starting Domain: Beast/ Aberrations
Physical Appearance: A humanoid torso of spasming purple flesh, propelling itself on a serpentine lower body of clear "stone" with black veins pumping some vile fluid through it. The spaces between its many ribs open like vents exuding a abominable clear mucus flickering with a light of its own that seems to float and flow without care of physics. Its fore-limbs are long and thin, ending in three long black chitinous fingers. Its "head" sits atop a long neck of the twitching purple flesh with a black external spine. The external spine continues into the middle of the back where it spirals into a calciferous mass pock marked with small whistling holes which draw in air. The head itself is a solid hunk of bone with a thin vertical chasm bisecting it, strange energies of a countless number of hues arc across the space. Altogether he is the the size of a small mountain.
Symbol:A maze in the shape of a vertical line.
Titles: The Strange Seed. The Horrible Maker. The Herald Crawling.
Personality/Core Concept: He is a spark fallen from the gate which freed itself from potentiality mindlessly. There is a purpose this god follows towards an inevitable end that was forced upon it by something greater. What was to be a simple god, or maybe a spark to return to the oblivion is broken by a foul and unimaginable thing. He operates half by instinct, half by thought, and completely with complete certainty. His speech is broken like his essence, making unintentional riddles out of honest words.
Well finally! Been waiting forever to get in on this.
Glad to hear you're eager to join LoC.
Nontheless...about the world...so everything is dark right now? No light at all?
Aldii, yes, there is technically no light at all. Though, technically, there isn't darkness either.
To note, Nerdzul, a single mold-greater action wouldn't be enough to create an entire world. Technically, there isn't a specific PP action that would cover that. Right now the world is sort of like a trifle or a layer-cake (that is, flat, not spherical). This can certainly be changed, as it is just fluff, and depending on how it is done might not even need PP spent (usually it is free to change fluff). However, any attempt to change the shape of the entire world/universe requires OOC discussion.
Additionally, now that we have the first continent, creating new continents should probably have at least a little OOC discussion too (so that we don't get several underpopulated, uninteresting landmasses).
I'd have loved to shape it (being the earth god after all... shaping earth I mean...) and also I prefer traditional shaped worlds anyway... as you wish :p
To whit, I could probably make the argument for when magic (me!) get's ascended, which I think should be after life. Or, that's what would make sense to me. It would fit with how I think I'm going to "set" magic up in this world.
Gah! Please, don't ascend too quickly. I know a lot of people are excited, but moderation is key.
Good job on the continent!
It looks quite beautiful!
As for "traditional worldshapes" adding to the usability, that is possibile but my point was that on the scale that it seems we want to be working there isn't a mechanical difference between sphere and flat. What there is a difference of is in implied size. As long as flat has boundaries, people seem to have a much easier time imagining that it only comprises a continent and a bit of ocean. But a sphere and people start thinking planet-sized. But again, this is my preference as a player, not admin fiat. What do other people think?
EDIT: Also, thanks Aldii
* Shudders *
Eternal worlds...
But yes. Having boundaries set at the start of a game seems like a good way to go-- at least in theory. Players can then expand on that when they are ready to do so.
First, I created a draft of this first continent. It is just in black and white for now since there aren't any mountains or life.
Nerdzul, the "law" to respherize the world is that it has to be discussed in OOC. Currently the shape of the world is relying on the discussion that occured in this thread: community.wizards.com/lordsofcreation/go...
In particular, Eyes of Argus seemed to sum it up nicely in this post: community.wizards.com/lordsofcreation/go...
But links to other threads aside, a problem with a sphere-world is that it is far too much space, in my opinion. That is, the only time that a sphere-world and flat-world would be different is when we are dealing with planetary size-scales. That invites for expansion so that no single area actually gets well developed. But this paragraph is me speaking as a player, not as an admin. The shape of the world can be changed, but we need to know why it should be changed, what does such a change add to the world?
Pardon my saying so, but the bolded above statement is complete and utter rubbish. Limiting oneself to one particular design or another simply because a small subset of players "decided" something would be best goes against what I understand LoC to be -- that of a fluid, dynamic setting. Size is ultimately relative. I can guarantee you that you could run into "far too much space" whatever your setting, even if you restricted yourself to something innately small, like a house.
There seems to be much push for a democracy, guiding and attempting to avoid stepping on toes or ideas, but to me that takes a great deal of fun out of the game -- if one already has an idea of what things will be like in the end, why bother with the middle at all? Skip to the end and be done with it.
This is especially baffling to me, as there has been, in the past, suggest that the admins to do more to encourage change and conflict.
I appear to connect to the chat, however the chat window will not come up, and I don't know how to force it to.
Veok: The Mibbit server reset itself two days ago for some unknown reason. I'm not sure what is happening, but I do believe that the admins are working on it...
Speaking as one who has at least twice now done something rather large without discussing it prior, I do not believe the fallout afterwards was really worth what I ended up taking away myself. I apparently hurt a lot of feelings, and just a small amount of discussion beforehand could have prevented that in both cases. We have tried gratuitous change and conflict. Democracy needs to be the next thing we try.
Yes, but not *everything* must be decided by democracy, and it is unproductive to assume that to be the case; of the players currently interested in playing the game, how many actually requested the disc-shaped world? A round world? Refrained from (or failed to) give an opinion entirely?
What I'm getting at -- there appears to be a play at doing things democratically, but thus far they have been less democratic in actual implementation. All I'm asking is don't call it a democracy or assume that something is desired by others without their express opinion.
Edit: Veok. 1) Restart your computer. 2) We had a forum thread. It was open to people giving their opinions and ideas for how the world should work. If people had opinions, they should post them there. No, this isn't a democracy. Its an advisory council for the players who are currently playing and shaping the world. Their opinions, quite frankly, matter more than yours or mine at this point as they have the PP to do something about it. When we join, we will be on similar footing and can change things as we wish to... thats how the game works. The fact that we're even discussing how the world should work is a massive improvement over past games.
Well that's... different.
For example, technically I could change the world so it resembles the gender-dimorphic organ of the human male. But you know, some people might not want to have the world shaped that way. By discussing it in OOC, hopefully I would be able to convince people of the merits of such a thing. Or other people might be able to point out problems that I haven't forseen. Or after seeing that everyone hates the idea I might reconsider. It is even possible for un-democratic actions to occur: despite all the OOC discussion, I might go ahead with the action. At which point the matter gets put in Admin hands to see if it was jerkish of me to do so.
Edit: Veok. 1) Restart your computer. 2) We had a forum thread. It was open to people giving their opinions and ideas for how the world should work. If people had opinions, they should post them there. No, this isn't a democracy. Its an advisory council for the players who are currently playing and shaping the world. Their opinions, quite frankly, matter more than yours or mine at this point as they have the PP to do something about it. When we join, we will be on similar footing and can change things as we wish to... thats how the game works. The fact that we're even discussing how the world should work is a massive improvement over past games.
Toph -- the world discussion showed up in the "name" thread. That's at minimum unintuitive.
And I agree with you. Your opinions and mine are equivalent on this matter.
Btw is my support in ascending the next god still needed? What element are we going to ascend first? Shall I fluff my "gift of power" in some way vaguely related with that element? Don't know, fire to reduce the embrace of ice for example?
Btw what do I have to do to "press the air around the world in a thick atmosphere, imprisoning it around the world somehow", you want Velt to carry some sort of conflict with the Ara goddess, I have nothing against that (even if it's not samething I really care nor I'm interested about), but I really have no idea about how to retailate against something so aethereal as air, that btw spent absolutely nothing to meddle with my god sphere of influence, while I'm at 1/4 to craft something I have no say in shaping at all and will soon be 0/4 as I'll gladly contribute to a new ascension.
Veok, it isn't so much that this is intended as a democracy as a check and balance. We are saying that it IS possible to change the entire world. But by asking that it gets discussed OOC, we are trying to ensure that if something dramatic gets done, it gets done with good cause and doesn't pull the carpet out from other people's feet.
my bad I guess as I thought that being asked IC to do something justified me somehow to do that... (also considering that my choice of form was quite conservative :p) anyway again my bad...
Btw is my support in ascending the next god still needed? What element are we going to ascend first? Shall I fluff my "gift of power" in some way vaguely related with that element? Don't know, fire to reduce the embrace of ice for example?
"Alas, there is still much work to do. Things seem to be slowing down. Will you two help me create gods to help add motion to the world? Beings of fire and ice?"
Yes. Thought indicated Fire.
Perhaps reshaping the world could be a long term goal for Velt? As noted, right now my main objection is that a sphere gets people thinking globally, rather than locally. After a month or so, when there are a few well developed continents, that concerns would be reduced substantially. Of course, Other people might have good objections even then.
As for Velt having animosity against Dajjal (which even if people like my suggested retcons could still exist), there are a variety of ways to express that. For now, Velt might be pissed at Ebel as well (for being an ineffective parent and not punishing Dajjal for the infringement) and refuse to help ascend another god. Or, Velt might be pissed at Dajjal and so he helps create a fire goddess to counter the ice goddess. With later, after gods have worshippers, Velt's worshippers would hate Dajjal's worshippers. Perhaps eventually Velt will help create a storm god as a sort of pretender to the throne of airy power. But at the end of the day, these are just ideas. If you aren't interested in such an animosity, then there it no reason to force it. Though, to note, having an animosity with another god is one way of increasing base PP.
That aside, if you want to still help ascending a new god, that would be great, though of course you are under no obligation to say yes.
Okay, I dont even have a remotely plausible excuse for that one.
Random side note: It doesn't change anything, but since my ascension post for you was really lame, I tried to spruce it up a bit.
Yes, Ice Goddess. You see... that is, I... uh...
Okay, I dont even have a remotely plausible excuse for that one.
Random side note: It doesn't change anything, but since my ascension post for you was really lame, I tried to spruce it up a bit.
Confusion is a pretty useful excuse : )
Nontheless, I have an idea about a future action that would probably be of great consequence to the world, is it alright to discuss such things here?
Hey all, the world is shaping up to be something interesting. Compliments and criticisms time, whoo!
- Ara, your goddess is well written as usual; very childlike and tantrum-y right now. Fun stuff. The whole stealing of the newly formed dirtglob was a little hasty though, but I suppose a good counterpoint would be that Nerz shaped the world without discussing so it should be just as easy to re(un)shape. So the saying goes, "That which can be asserted without proof can be just as easily dismissed." I know I don't have to remind you, but if you want to do something sudden like that in the future mention it in the OoC prior. People tend to get upset when you play with their toys without asking.
- Nerz, your earth-dragon god reminds me of one I made in an old campaign setting. I like the idea though, and your english is improving. I know I'm beating a dead horse here but we had talked about the worldshape, but as Veok pointed out it was in a different thread. I'm sorry that no one made it more apparent, don't take the resulting discussions personally.
- Aldii that was a nice opening post, very fitting the image of your god. Forgive me if this is a little harsh, but I really hope Od'Vidr isn't going to just up and vanish in the way a lot of your past gods have. Be gone for a long while and then randomly come back, if at all. You're one of the core four, if you do poof I hope the abrupt disappearances don't throw things into a state of flux in the future.
- Thought, Ebel is just cool. I love the way she "births" the fourfold gods using parts of herself, and the way she regains those parts in an elemental manifestation is great imagery. She seems a little distant though, sure she refers to the fledglings as her children but aside from that not very motherly. Her internal remarks about Dajjal and her forcing Velt's egg open, which kind of shocked me. What if he had been born prematurely or malformed? That's just bad parenting. But then again, maybe that's the feeling you're trying to go for. I can't read minds.
Okay, now that I've probably ticked you guys off let me say that you're all very creative and fun people. The way things have gone so far has been a lot of fun to read and I'm looking forward to how existence develops in the future. Veok should be arriving soon, bringing a fire deity and that should be awesome as well. Limitless unused potential still lurks just inside the Gate waiting for the right person to turn the key and manifest it. Here's to a good starting momentum!
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EDIT: Veok! Fiery fire is fiery. Your personality is as vehement and indignant as the most perfect atheists' argument. But Ara's retort is the counterpoint, defining yourself as not being affiliated with X still makes that X an essential part of your definition. Good first posts though, really tasty stuff. Oh, and Thought? I take back what I said about the "not motherly" business. Ebel is acting like a proper british mother now. Stiff upper lip and all that, wot? Good show, lad and lasses! Good show indeed!
Would anyone mind if I create an ice wall around the world, the height of mountains and with the thickness of glaciers. One that would stop things from falling of from our world? And also as a breeding ground for future creation of the Ice god?
As a general side note, having talked to the other admins, we desided that oceans sort of exist. That is, it is always hard to convince people to spend enough PP to actually make a world's worth of water, instead of trying we're just giving up on that account and saying that right now there's a bit of water around the continent (falling off into the chaotic elements). As new continents are created, oceanic waters are created along side so we don't have to worry about that. Are there any objections to such?
Moondoggy, thanks. I do hope at least a few of the gods develop mother issues.
Edit: Why are we calling the action "begat?" I think it's "beget."
Side note: EyesOfArgus, the poster formerly known as Space_Dragon, you are free to self-ascend (of, if you would prefer, let us know and we'll get some gods together to ascend you).
Starting Domain: TravelPhysical Appearance: An indistinct being of a nondescript race dressed in flowing robes that never stop moving. Small strands of light drift from the edges of the robes, fading away within a few inches.
Symbol: A sphere within a diamond with runes carved around the center. Typically, the holy symbol is made from a variety of typs of wood and inlade with turqiose and jade, with a bright opal set in the very center.
Titles: The Traveller, The Guide, The Seeker of the Horizon.
Personality/Core Concept: A being born from motion, motion of mortals, motion of gods, motion of energy. Always moving, never stopping, eager and slightly impatient, but enjoys being helpful. Always move. Always move forward. Never stop. When One stops, One ceases to exist. For this reason, move.
At the very least, there will be a final burst of energy next week (mostly just setting things up for if/when I reenter the game; if I do, I will be trying to have a mortal absorb her divine essence to ascend to godhood). But if someone has a better idea for how she can die, or something they'd like to use her for, let me know and she can shamble around for a bit.
Tireas
(TIE-ree-us)
Also, I had an idea for Ebel, but it would have to wait a long time.
Stealing her corpse to make divine weaponry out of her bones.
A reminder, I would prefer to come out of the gate. If you could not ascend me, that'd be super. Thanks in advance.
Name: Sephus
Titles: The Green Man, The Wicker Beast
Domain: Savagery
Symbol: A vine encircling a violet.
Appearance: There are two forms of Sephus, aspects if you will. One, The Green Man, is built of thick vines and leaves, visible as nothing more than a sudden intensifying of the light, sound, smells and sensations of the environment. Animals and people will become more focused, forgetting wounds or tiredness, focusing on singular goals, food, drink and pleasure. Though violence is not directly caused, it often ensues as everything reacts with heightened aggression to perceived threats. To gods, Sephus seems to be a constantly shifting menagerie of beasts and humanoids made from twisting vines and huge, purple flowers.
The second aspect accents entirely the brutality of those who worship Sephus. The Wicker Beast manifests only in time of war or great threat, but then it is fearsome to behold. A crudely shaped man of wicker with granite chips for eyes and humanoid thigh-bones for teeth, the Wicker Beast is a fearsome sight behold. It's arrival whips up the followers of Sephus into a homicidal frenzy, creating a horde of maddened, insane warriors that dismember and mutilate all who stand before him.
Darkness is never far from the always churning surface of Savagery, and Sephus embodies that constant crimson risk.
Which I suppose means you want the war domain?
Which I've mentioned before, both in this OOC thread, on the chat, and in a PM to the moderators.
Which I suppose means you want the war domain?
Which I've mentioned before, both in this OOC thread, on the chat, and in a PM to the moderators.
Not in this thread ;)
Now I'm just colorful!
Colors
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It's subtle, but not black!
Pretty sure this one wasn't on your list!
Easier to tell the difference when I contrast the lines!
I call it... Snorlax.
I forgot abut HTML...
DOMAIN: Concept/nature
GOD OF: Curiousity, adventure, and cats
APPEARANCE: shifts between a tabi cat with one red eye and one green eye, a gnome who has green hair and white robes with a spellbook and a bone made dagger attached to his belt along with several pouches and empty vials, and a wyvern that is the size of a dire wolf with red and black tinted skin and two tails
SYMBOL: A locked chest in a cats eye
PERSONALITY: Childlike in wonder and curiousity, likes to play pranks, and do things just to see what happens, he is chaotic but good hearted and kind.
his teachings are as follows - if there is a door open it, if there is a secret learn it, if there is an adventure find it, if there is a lever pull it, because what ever happens is a new experence.
TITLES: the childish, discoveries prince, the lock opener
FOLLOWERS: gnomes, halflings, cats, wizards, rouges, and clerics of course
Starting Domain: Knowledge
Physical Appearance: Elshomaën is just as likely to appear as an old man as he is a child, though with the same long, gray hair in either depiction. He wears red and black robes, and his eyes are covered with a headband that may be either color. He is invariably carrying a set of scrolls and may have a gnarled cane. He may also appear as an osprey.
Symbol: The black silhouette of his upright cane with an osprey perched atop it inside of a red pentagon.
Titles: The Blind Sage, The Sightless Watcher, The Revealer
Concept: The Logos; Thoth; patron of science, reason and theology. He is an ally of any who promote the spread of knowledge, the flourishing of sapient life and the light of civilization. He is thus opposed to secrecy and mysticism, wanton destruction and savagery -- but not necessarily war. He hates bias, hubris, ideas preconceived without true study, meaningless ritual and maudlin sentimentality.
I'm only going to have internet every other week for the next three months. No way around it. That means that my options are either:
1. Have my god only be active half of the time, or
2. Not join the game until after this period has ended.
I'm leaning toward 2.
If that means I have to give up my Life domain and be something less primal and more minor later on, then that's fine. I'm sorry for all the trouble, but there's nothing I could have done about this. I'll be watching the game and commenting occasionally in the OOC, but I won't join the game until at least April. If someone else wants Life, go for it.
I'd be willing to take up the role of Life. That means that I would probably either have to:
- Switch Civilization for Life and have someone else take Civilization, or...
- Have both, though I would have to provide a good reason if I were to do so.
In an admin's case, it would lean towards 1. In a player's sense, it could go either direction. Any comments?
[edit] Toph's ruling. Number 1
In that case, here's a re-fluffed Erainull. Civilization is free for anyone who wants it
Name of God: Erainull
Starting Domain: Life
Physical Appearance: A hawk-like being with a deep blue robe, and a leather-bound book in one of her hands.
Symbol: An eye situated on top of an infinity symbol-- backed by a golden leather t-shape with feathers on the bottom and top. A blue orb rests on the left and a ruby gem rests on the right.
Titles: The Provider; Rathian Incarnate; The Celestial Sun
Personality/Core Concept: Eranull is the spirit of the mortal lands-- her breath gives new life, her passion grants those she trusts a new calling in life, her anger ignites war and chaos. She is the very definition of Life itself, as she is referred to as the Provider in some aspects. Her care for the mortal world does not trump her allegiances to the divine realm of the gods, as her calm and collective mood exemplifies her beauty and tolerance-- she is, however, bleak in some regards.
Underground, I am a little confused on your domains/"god of" bit. Is it that you want to be a god of nature (like Pan) who happens to be curious, or is it that you want to be a god that actively promotes curiosity (in which case, how does nature fit in)?
Welcome, UndergroundPlayer, MightyManrock! We're extacting that you're interested in the game.
Extacting is clearly Thought-speech for being both excited and esctatic at the same time.
But not sure if darkness is already taken (I did notice Joran taking Dark/Moon, but does that cover darkness or not?
Night/Moon would be a more fitting combo)
Welcome, UndergroundPlayer, MightyManrock! We're extacting that you're interested in the game.
Underground, I am a little confused on your domains/"god of" bit. Is it that you want to be a god of nature (like Pan) who happens to be curious, or is it that you want to be a god that actively promotes curiosity (in which case, how does nature fit in)?
main domain is concept of curiousity and adventure but much like how the raven queen(goddess of death) touches into another gods claim with ravens mine might be allowed to do the same with cats(nature)
If Joran is good with it, I'm fine with you switching to the Night/Darkness domain, Camu.
Underground, I think I understand now. To note, gods enter the game with just one domain, but you can claim more once in (with the appropriate action).
Technically it's Thoughtish, not Thought-speak, but Veok has the right of it.
If Joran is good with it, I'm fine with you switching to the Night/Darkness domain, Camu.
Underground, I think I understand now. To note, gods enter the game with just one domain, but you can claim more once in (with the appropriate action).
figured see if cats would fly do to there curious nature
Mmm I like the idea of the colored theme, I'll have to choose one later
nah np, lets say I came when she told that... Our gods are not super friendly I guess so a little bickering does not hurt much.
So, how do we want to have this whole thingy look? Enscone it in a demi-plane, or have Gods dwelling on the mortal plane, as it were?
Or not.
Additionally, if you are looking for a guardian of the gate, might I suggest something along the lines of Ebel's ghost? Two disembodied phantasmal hands, eyes, and a heart might be a fun monster (non sentient, of course).
Also, fun idea with the mountain. I could support that.
Starting Domain: Life/ Aberrations
Physical Appearance: A humanoid torso of spasming purple flesh, propelling itself on a serpentine lower body of clear "stone" with black veins pumping some vile fluid through it. The spaces between its many ribs open like vents exuding a abominable clear mucus flickering with a light of its own that seems to float and flow without care of physics. Its fore-limbs are long and thin, ending in three long black chitinous fingers. Its "head" sits atop a long neck of the twitching purple flesh with a black external spine. The external spine continues into the middle of the back where it spirals into a calciferous mass pock marked with small whistling holes which draw in air. The head itself is a solid hunk of bone with a thin vertical chasm bisecting it, strange energies of a countless number of hues arc across the space. Altogether he is the the size of a small mountain.
Symbol:A maze in the shape of a vertical line.
Titles: The Strange Seed. The Horrible Maker.
Personality/Core Concept: He is from the howling chaos beyond the established lands of the gods. One of the first primals, the strange elements and symbolizes the proliferation of odd, animate things similar to each other only in their selfish quest for expansion and survival. There is however, nothing selfish about Jzaquiht. The god of life does not feel alive. Being a god means being immortal, having few threats to your existence, not really needing to spawn. Jzaquiht is exploring his domain, looking for himself somewhere in his creations.
Looks good, Arythmia, although... not sure I want ot talk with you much with an appearace like that!
*shudders*
And speaking of Life, the reasons behind why I was so attached to it was because:
1) Life takes serious responsibility to handle
2) It made somewhat more sense to my god than the other domain
3) I had no idea that Arythmia used to be a part of LoC (I wasn't here for Shardworlds)
With that said, I will be taking back Civilizations (to my original Erainull)
EDIT: Side note, I really like that intro, Arythmia.
In which case "demi-plane" is a total misnomer. Demi-planes are sort of an archaic holdover from 3.X; 4e simplified the "standard" cosmology immensely.
Archaic? Take that back!
I think that's an ingenious idea, to be honest
Edit: X knows what's up.
In a more serious question... do we want a mortal stories thread this time around? I am leaning towards no.
Do it in the group forums if you must then; C&A doesn't need it.
I thought by this point, we've become invisible to the rest of them and have been given free reign.
Er... let me explain the metaphor:
LAYERS!
( <---- ice wall ( <---- edge of continent gate, embedded in center of continent () ) )
I just want to get the gate out of the sky and into the ground -- I figure a 2 mold is sufficient for that -- guardians, exclusion (creating an Oubliette, etc.) and all can come later... or not at all as case may be.
Eeep...
Immediately.
Sorry Toph, it's probably for the best.
And besides, if anyone tries to get into too much finicky detail, they should be able to do what floats their proverbial boats. The rest of us can just exercise our right to "tl;dr"
I actually liked it to, though I admitted I skimmed over it a bit... a little summary in the PP section with like 'spawn X, which are metal carapaced tubes, Y, which are weird leech things that that merge together to make young sort of like Yeerk, Z, which are look a likes of my god... shouldn't have started at X, um Z+1 which is sort of odd mutated axe headed mantis things and something else I can't remember right now' would have done wonders to keep it all together. And yes, I am horrible with names.
I am a little concerned that if life is this twisted there'll be nothing for TSO to corrupt though . Though certainly not complaining about having such an awesome god of life.
That said, I think a summary would be lovely
Nice job!
Thoughts? Other Ideas? Crumpets?
I didn't mind it, but Xeadin had already used the default reaction, so I was left with knee-jerk. :D
As the week nears its end our thoughts turn to which gods will ascend next week. And in particular, how they will ascend. All the elementals were body parts, which people seemed to like, and it has been suggested that each "bucket" should have their own way of being ascended, sort of like that. Going forward, the two clearly possibly themes (if people like the idea) would be either that all Primal gods be horrendously hideous aberrations (giving them a cohesion), or that they all come from the vague elemental cloud that is currently beyond the IceWall (with the possibility that the cloud gets used up in the process).
Thoughts? Other Ideas? Crumpets?
Hey! I'm not a horrendously hideous aberration! Just cause Ary is...is...........Whatever he is, doesn't mean we all will be!
Titanish manybe, but not all aberrishI like the appearance from the elemental cloud though. That might work.
Oh, and crumpet please! With some tea!
Also like the idea of the elemental cloud
Oh, Xeadin. We were supposed to be abberant? I think we all missed the boat there...
Oh, Xeadin. We were supposed to be abberant? I think we all missed the boat there...
What I meant by 'aberrant' is an unusual shape and form-- not aberrations themselves.
Unusual is good. It is... thought-provoking, as one would say
I'm just saying that as the order of ascension goes down the list through each bucket, the appearance of the gods would become more substantially uniform (not exactly like each other, but physical appearances start to become more like what one could see in the mortal realm).
And the thing about self-ascension-- I am for self-ascension, but I think that there should be an initial PP penalty when that happens, like say gods would start out with 2 or 3 PP on their first week when self-ascended. It takes a lot out of the world just to form a new deity.
And I'm all for the elemental cloud as well.
Though I do love that you have effectively locked Isura out of the gate. Bwahahaha
Nerdzul, aye, as long as PP is allocated to a specific action then it can carry over to another week.
Erm... yes...
So, if I 'pretend' that I did this tomorrow and allocated my remaining 2 PP towards that, could I do that without having to delete and repost?
And... how did I lock out Isura?
As for Isura, at least as it is presented, if you tell her the passphrase she wont hear that you said "Ebel" and it seems like she wont be able to say the name either (since she blocked her from her memory).
But more generally, do people want demiplanes and regular planes to be different actions? Should one or the other not require PP investment?
And I have a plan regarding Ebel. It's going to need cooperation from others though, so we'll see how it goes.
But more generally, do people want demiplanes and regular planes to be different actions? Should one or the other not require PP investment?
Personally, I think demiplanes and greater planes should be different actions, as it has been in the past.
Maybe the demiplanes could be a part of the cantrip action, since they can be altered by anyone pretty much.
OR: I'm kind of thinking about demiplanes as being personal sandboxes for perfecting creations that one would like to make. For instance, if someone wanted to make an artifact or populace, or something to that effect, they could go to their own demiplane and make cantrip versions of their creations to make different effects and configurations until they get it right, much like a master plan-- their own notebook, so-to-speak.
That's just my idea.
THe more I see it, honestly, the more 'demiplane' and 'holy site' seem synonymous in my head, especially now that we've done away with the +2 bonus to combat for being in a demiplane, etc, etc. So, yeah. Lets scrap it.
Actaully, on that note, I think I'm going to change my action... that thing is going to be a 3PP forge, not a 4 PP plane.
And, bonus. Isura is no longer locked out.
At any rate -- why do you post the reset notification in the IC thread. I mean, I can see why it's *useful* there, but at the same time, it seems to just clutter the IC thread needlessly. We've got this wonderful OOC thread for our use over here, why not use it for this as well?
I... do it for my own benefit, honestly. When I'm doing PP expenditures, checking on player participation or updating the game history, having a post of an easily recognizable format helps to determine when, exactly, each week ends or begins.
Also, we've done it that way ever since I started playing so... *shrugs* I don't really think that 1 extraneous post a week in the IC 'clutters' it all that badly, after all.
1) In order to get extra PP, you will need to register and post under an official account. While it might be possible to track down an 'annonymous contributor', doing so on large scales is wholly untenable. As such, unless you are logged in, you won't be counted.
2) Wiki-upkeep entails one of the following:
a) If you have made many changes to the world recently, updating the wiki to be in line with those changes will count.
b) If you have not made changes, working on keeping other parts of the wiki up to date will also count. Possible options are (PP expenditure [requires separate account]), Game History, Proofreading, helping out another god who is weeks behind on upkeep, etc, etc.
So, for instance, this week Thought and I would have gotten extra PP as well as Veok. Nerdzul and Aldii would have gotten none, as they posted annoymously (foreign IPs are always the easiest to figure out).
It *should* be feasable for every player that wants extra PP to get extra PP.
yes... I forgot to log in hehe...
anyway I was thinking to create some kind of underworld (maybe not continent sized) next week, will it be ok? (and a forge that makes titans to be Velt home within the gate temple).
Can people who are waiting to join the game update the wiki and get extra power points for their god when they join the game?
I would think they should -- though there should be some common sense involved: give the creators a chance to create new articles for things they create, at least.
But yes. Give people at least till the end of the week to update their own wiki-ness... that would kinda suck to get ninja'd, especially by someone who isn't even playing yet :D
More importantly, new week means more gods are on the block for entering the game. Specifically, Death, Darkness, and Curiosity (those being Anubis, Camu, and Underground, respectively). You are not yet free to enter the game, but it seemed good to provide a list of those that it looks like the world could use sooner rather than later so that those players who are in can weigh in as to if they'd like to ascend you. For example, I think Toph had said he wanted to try to ascend Camu.
If you have a good reason why you should self ascend, of course, let us know.
Consider Color Constancy: Colors are a constructed property; it doesn't matter what color anything is, what matters is whether we can distinguish one color from another. It could be that the color you perceive to be "purple" is interpreted the same way my brain views "orange". But the thing is, I would know that color as "purple" as well, so even if we interpreted the same object as separate hues. Because our individual perceptions of any one color is constant, the actual color is irrelevant -- we glean the same visual information from it regardless.
Just because Isura can see something doesn't mean she is under any pains to acknowledge that she saw it.
Huh, you know, if no-one wants to make the Ebel Ghoust (tm) a guardian or something of the like, it could be a good excuse to raise a god of death: to help guide the lost soul to some form of peace. Or enslave it to do their bidding, you know, either way >.>
I won't go and say it's an excuse to self ascend though
Second, I think you might be imagining the artifact to be more powerful than I intended it to be. To use your example, you are convinced that I am a Chihuahua. Fair enough. Every time I enter the room, you see a Chihuahua enter the room. But, if someone other than me entered the room, why would you automatically assume that they are a Chihuahua? That is the sort of affect I was imagining for the artifact; it effects the perceptions, but it doesn’t force knowledge. In this example, it would alter how I am perceived just enough that you wouldn’t perceive me as me, and therefore you wouldn’t perceive “me” (not being perceived as me) as a Chihuahua (unless, of course, you perceive all people as Chihuahuas). At the end of the day, the artifact mostly is just affecting the owner.
Does that seem more acceptable?
I have no problems with your artifact -- just that you're misusing the label of "Excision".
Also, am I getting in next week or something?
How is curiosity a primal rather than a conceptual?
Also, am I getting in next week or something?
i have no clue aside from cats
How is curiosity a primal rather than a conceptual?
Also, am I getting in next week or something?
Allow me to answer that with a quote!
1) Players who are new to Lords of Creation will be allowed to jump the line (how much of a jump has to be determined on an individual basis)
Which is to say, objectively, it probably isn't. However, all domains and buckets and the sort are open to negotiation. In this case there was an admin negotiating for the entry of curiosity in order to try to get a new player into the game sooner rather than later.
As for when you'll be able to enter, I'm not entirely sure. Weather, right? I'd think that there'd be at least one more week of Primals before Naturals, but as noted above, that is open to negotiation. Hmm... actually, allow me to return to that in a different post...
Underground, to note, "cats" aren't exactly what we mean by primal. Things like light and darkness, life and death, are fundamental concepts of the world. Cats could fit one definition of primal, but not really the one we have in mind. Curiosity, however, seems to be able to fit because we have life and death, the two great mysteries of the universe. Where does the life that Life embodies come from? What is the meaning of life? Where does it go when it dies? Is death the last great adventure? Basically, I argued for curiosity to be a Primal based on a supposed curious relationship between the truth behind life and death. It's sort of a go-between, as it were. Does that work for you?
This isn't to say that it was wrong for Aldii and Veok to ascend Wizdude; just that is blindsided us. We generally had the idea of two gods ascending each week, with three being the "well, people are eager to join and two is a slow number" option. Now we have four. It is in no way the end of the world, but it is easier to arrange things ahead of time than to try to figure out where to go from here.
Speaking of which, Camu, Anubis, Underground, do one of you mind waiting until next week to enter the game? Don't feel like you have to volunteer, mind: we said that you could enter this week (as long as some of the active players ascend you), so we wont reneg on that.
Wizdude, question: Is your god's starting domain the Sun or Light? Reason being is that since Joran was willing to split the Moon/Night from the Darkness domain, we might say that the Moon and Sun are "Naturals" rather than "Primals" and go ahead and open that bucket up.
As a side note, as has been noted there was a theme for the enter of Elementals and we had talked about a theme for the Primals (which I think people liked, or at least were indifferent on). If you are the Sun, think about a theme for the Naturals (this goes not just for Wizdude but for everyone).
Oh well! No rush though.
i do like the explination for the bump should i change the domain to fit it?
My apologies, though I did mention it a couple of days ago in the chat and thought that it had gotten approved.
As a side note, as has been noted there was a theme for the enter of Elementals and we had talked about a theme for the Primals (which I think people liked, or at least were indifferent on). If you are the Sun, think about a theme for the Naturals (this goes not just for Wizdude but for everyone).
As much as I'd like to, I won't speak as a representative of the Conceptuals bucket, but I'll speak as my own self would.
One idea I have for the conceptual ascension is having each god ascended as a mere 'concept' of a given domain of a god currently ascended.
Conceptuals Idea
For instance, in my god's view, she would be ascended as a 'concept' of a mortal's idea for forming civilizations within an organized society, when one exists. In essence, Erainull could be the catalyst of forming civilizations, as would Angel's god could be a catalyst in forming savage factions within mortal society.
Speaking of conceptuals, has anyone taken the Knowledge or Afterlife domains?
Knowledge would be me. I detailed my god here.
I like your idea. I was actually kind of thinking it would be interesting if my god ascended when mortal races start to form the concept of systematically searching for knowledge and learning for its own sake, which I would understand as coming about after Curiosity. I could also see my god's ascension before, concurrent with or after Civilization all being justifiable. In any case, I'm fine with being ascended later on; no rush here. ;)
Time does seem reasonable.
Underground, if you want to wait for knowledge that is good with us. Thanks.
Xeadin, I'm not sure I understand what you're proposing. Could you rephrase?
Welcome back, Massive. Though I have a question for you and Toph: what would you envision a god of time doing? That is, we might expect a god of knowledge to gather and promote knowledge, a god of plants to create and nourish plants, a god of water to create aquatic beings, etc. But what would a god of time do that is particularly... time-y?
No apologies are necessary; again, it isn't that you two did anything wrong, it just caught us by surprise. Anywho, thanks.
Underground, if you want to wait for knowledge that is good with us. Thanks.
Xeadin, I'm not sure I understand what you're proposing. Could you rephrase?
Welcome back, Massive. Though I have a question for you and Toph: what would you envision a god of time doing? That is, we might expect a god of knowledge to gather and promote knowledge, a god of plants to create and nourish plants, a god of water to create aquatic beings, etc. But what would a god of time do that is particularly... time-y?
It just seems logical that they come about right around the same time you cant realy have oen with out the other
Welcome back, Massive. Though I have a question for you and Toph: what would you envision a god of time doing? But what would a god of time do that is particularly... time-y?
Good question. I was noticing the gap, not the feasibility.
Chronos was a crazy old man who liked to eat his own children... Anyways, off the top of my head, probably things like prophesy and such, but I did that domain last game I was in. Xeadin, I'm not sure I understand what you're proposing. Could you rephrase?
Basically, the conceptuals would be formed as a mortal's concept to change the world to how they see fit, like the mortals form a concept of civilization or (more simply) knowledge-- something to that affect that will bring about the existence of a god to represent that concept. I think it might be similar to Angel's idea, now that I think about it...
After all, it was just an idea ;)
What if we made conceptuals really mortal gods, that is created and sustained by mortal prayer and need, as opposed to more "Universe says" creation of the other gods. As such, none of us would be ascended from other gods; we would all self ascend.
Yeah, I think Angel's idea is a little similar to mine.
Sorry for delay, been very busy lately. Anyway, I'd gladly put off ascending if it's necessary, whatever's best for the plot really. It might take a while to really work out life has to end, after all.
EDIT: Actually, Arythmia, I was going to make a god like that if I got Travel (on the basis of hey, time travel is a sort of travel.) But I dreq death, so now I have to do fun deathy stuff instead. Oh well :P. Oh, this might be a little premature, but would anyone complain if I ended up making it that literally every living things corpse came back as an undead of one form or another?
Sorry for delay, been very busy lately. Anyway, I'd gladly put off ascending if it's necessary, whatever's best for the plot really. It might take a while to really work out life has to end, after all.
EDIT: Actually, Arythmia, I was going to make a god like that if I got Travel (on the basis of hey, time travel is a sort of travel.) But I dreq death, so now I have to do fun deathy stuff instead. Oh well :P. Oh, this might be a little premature, but would anyone complain if I ended up making it that literally every living things corpse came back as an undead of one form or another?
I am glad we're on the same wave-length. I get the feeling we're either going to be the best of allies or the worst of enemies in this game.
Also, the whole everything undead: Hmmmmmm. Too much visible undeath cheapens it for me. I always liked it when the heroes went "Oh crap it's real!". That said, a massive atmosphere of restless souls sounds awesome if only the spiritually inclined could sense them, and in turn be sensed.
I am glad we're on the same wave-length. I get the feeling we're either going to be the best of allies or the worst of enemies in this game.
Also, the whole everything undead: Hmmmmmm. Too much visible undeath cheapens it for me. I always liked it when the heroes went "Oh crap it's real!". That said, a massive atmosphere of restless souls sounds awesome if only the spiritually inclined could sense them, and in turn be sensed.
Most likely the worse of enemies, but that makes it more fun ;)
As for the whole undead thing, I was sort of going for a 'people burn their dead so they don't rise as zombies, but even then they come back as incorporeal undead half the time, constant war against death just to survive' sort of vibe, but that IS a bit much really... I was planning to have the afterlife pretty much just be a giant soul recycling factory in the sky in the form of an aurora, and for that same aurora to resurrect corpses as undead, but it might be better to save the constant ressurecting for a few places that are sort of 'unhallowed ground' and mostly have the aurora be a power source for necromancers and the like... hm...
At the first sight of a living thing wandering into the sky-bound horror they descend upon it in a hungry tornado of life-sapping terror.
Uggghhh.
I really don't get how a super hero who's vulnerable to the color yellow could seem so confident in defeating evil. What if bank robbers just started wearing yellow suits?
As for the whole soul thing, I was thinking more like the aurora borealis, and more FFX firefly looking souls more than screaming things, but... that image is pretty damn awesome. Remind me to make that happen in at least one place one time
I really don't get how a super hero who's vulnerable to the color yellow could seem so confident in defeating evil. What if bank robbers just started wearing yellow suits?
As for the whole soul thing, I was thinking more like the aurora borealis, and more FFX firefly looking souls more than screaming things, but... that image is pretty damn awesome. Remind me to make that happen in at least one place one time
Dunno. Toph's post made me think of it. It may help that I've been on a justice league binge lately.
As for when you'll be able to enter, I'm not entirely sure. Weather, right? I'd think that there'd be at least one more week of Primals before Naturals, but as noted above, that is open to negotiation. Hmm... actually, allow me to return to that in a different post...
I'd prefer "storms," but weather's just as good.
Wouldn't soul management tend to be more under the auspices of the afterlife god?
I'd think Death would also more or less cover the Afrerlife, in the same way as Air covers wind despite it being the result of thermal movements of the sun, and how Earth is responsible for diamonds and the like despite them being different to rocks and dirt both on the physical and molecular level.
Name of God: Marsten
Starting Domain: Magic
Physical Appearance: He will initially appear as a Beholder-esque figure, without the eyestalks. One large round blob, and a large eye in the middle. He can manifest hand-appendages when needed.
Symbol: An eye, with waves emanating from the bottom of it downward.
Titles: None yet.
Personality/Core Concept: He is inherently curious about the universe, and how it works. As such, he will run experiments involving anything and everything, for the simple reason that he wants to figure out how it works. The closer he knows the world around him, the better he can manipulate it. Others might call him evil, or crazy, or a menace for the things he does, but he knows that if it's in the name of Science, Magic, or Alchemy (pick one), it's worth any cost. A true mad scientist/mage/alchemist.
If so, that would also allow people to switch to a Light domain, though in all fairness with Fire and the Sun that might be a bit repetative, so a good reason would be needed.
To do things a little differently this time, I would like to ask everyone the question of for next week what domains should enter? Keeping in mind that if there are no objections, we could consider the natural bucket open too. I think we'll be aiming for just two entries next week. If possible, let us know why you think those domains should enter as well.
For conceptuals it sounds like we have an entry theme: mortals essentially ascending the gods. What do other players think about having an entire group that is self-ascended? Bad, good, indifferent? If I might make a suggestion (one that I haven't run by the other admins, so hopefully they don't kill me), what if when it comes time for a specific Conceptual to enter the respective player RPs a few posts first, representing mortals beginning to pay special attention to a concept before it really solidifies as a god. Cantrips could be used, but PP access would be limited until the ascension proper. Or failing that, an existing god could imbue a concept with extra power (thus that god wouldn't self ascend, but also wouldn't have to RP their way to ascension).
Alas, we still don't have one for Naturals. What do other naturals think? Or is this just an idea that people don't really care for and are too polite to say "Thought, that thought sucks"?
EDIT: Just talked with Wiz and he's just light, but if someone wants the sun it could be claimed (and in the Natural bucket, if necessary)
Love the game so far and all the ideas bouncing around, so I'll definitely be paying attention either way after all this Spring Festival business.
Name of God: Uwafe
Starting Domain: Time
Physical Appearance: At the start, Uwafe would not have much physical presence, only the sense that there is a distortion in reality when in contact with his essence.
Titles: None currently
Personality/Core Concept: A little bit unstable--'chaotic' even--he is similar to fire in that regard but does not take an elemental aspect. Has a tendency to get too focused on an idea, like an "arrow" moving towards its mark.
Play Concept: I have some ideas of what he will do in the beginning, particularly so that he is not the same "order" type as before. After that I'll see where it goes of course. For ascending, possibly makes sense for either fire, death or both to ascend as a natural result.
. I would like to thank Aradeia for giving The Silent One such a welcome that establishes his motives and personality so firmly ;)back I have to be off for a few days, and for some reason I could not log at the wizard community on my company laptop... there was some scripting error (maybe som explorer bug? now I'm on my PC and using firefox it works good)
It has to do with trying to access favorites, I believe; I get the same script error when I try to open the forums directly, but if I go to the WotC main site and then click on the "DnD Forums" link, it works fine.
It has to do with trying to access favorites, I believe; I get the same script error when I try to open the forums directly, but if I go to the WotC main site and then click on the "DnD Forums" link, it works fine.
The exact same thing has been happening to me. I can even open up the WotC main site and then use the same bookmark I always use and it'll suddenly work. Weird...
Also, Toe, since Veok provided a PP, that means you get one back. And thus have 1 PP left.
A few updates:
For Wikia Upkeep, we talked and it would also count if one creates a history for the game, maps, or goes through the older games and improves upon them (creating Shardworld material, updating the links for LightVoid, etc).
For the beget action, one can gain the discount by merely getting another player to help you with the birthing of a god or exarch, this doesn't have to be another god persay. Thus, if Toph had a titan mortal that he was RPing and Camu wanted his god to ascend an exarch, his god could "interact" with the titan and then he would only need to spend 2PP.
*eyes Nerdzul*
Or, yes, people missed that memo.
<.<
>.>
On the other hand, I'm making it a habit of hitting gods who annoy me, so maybe you should watch those mutters. :P
But we'll humor it anyways. Perhaps it is magic-fire
Well that explains the slowdown.
Should still be able to get on here and there.Oh, and V: Edited my post to have a response, if you wish to reply to that.
((PS: I had to reread your post 4 times before I realized you were referring to the first two sentences...))
and remember, its Amun, not Amoon. Short u. difference. slight, but its there.
I was afraid of something like this -- not your fault; I should have been more proactive and tried to contact you earlier.
a) Keep your section of the wiki up-to-date if you have been making things during the week
or
b) Help out with other upkeep activities for the wiki, such as fixing bad links, updating the game history (so far, nobody's touched this), updating the PP expenditures, etc, etc.
or
c) Both.
What I said in my post last week at this time, in other words ;)
I wasn't here for Shardworlds or The City, but I'll be more than happy to help out some
My reasoning for thinking it possible was that the cantrip was coming specifically from a divine artifact which is still in the game. So I guess it is a question of how much power and influence we want to attribute to artifacts. These are often semi-sentient things, so it seems plausible that they could continue to act after the creating god has died. And it seems plausible that whatever effects they had when the god was alive would continue to exist. But there we hit a sticky spot as to if the earthquake or chains that I cantripped are beyond that limit.
Since the green fire scarf was cantripped twice while Ebel was still alive (therefore this action didn't create anything new, though I suppose giving it a new form might be excessive), it seems that the earthquake is the more objectionable of the two.
Does the above seem correct and reasonable? If so, I would like to ask what other peole think on the matter.
I can see that objection, V.
My reasoning for thinking it possible was that the cantrip was coming specifically from a divine artifact which is still in the game.
Aye, and were the artifact anywhere nearby, I would object less to it. Kardrak is nowhere near the Sea of Dajj. In my opinion? The earthquake is fine. The chains are not.
If you seek to argue that location is irrelevant because the scarf cantrip is specifically targeting Isura, I would argue you are meta-gaming, because the artifact has no knowledge of what's happening elsewhere, or indeed, what may have happened in the intervening time.
First, in other news:
Weekly Ascensions
Since we only had one real ascension last week, we might try to increase things this go around. The domains on the docket this week are: war, travel, and storms/weather, which translates into Mecha, Shadow, and Archaevist. Mecha and Shadow have already talked about inter-twinning their gods, so Shadow, please work with players already in game to see about getting ascended. Mecha, you are good to self-ascend when the criteria we talked about are met in game. Archaevist, would you mind talking with Shadow and Mecha to figure out a good time for you to self-ascend. I suspect the moment when Mecha's god ascends would likewise be a good moment for you to ascend, thereby interconnecting these series of events, but that isn't required, of course. Mostly just want to make sure that each of you get a moment to have the spotlight on you when you enter.
Since we only had one real ascension last week, we might try to increase things this go around. The domains on the docket this week are: war, travel, and storms/weather, which translates into Mecha, Shadow, and Archaevist. Mecha and Shadow have already talked about inter-twinning their gods, so Shadow, please work with players already in game to see about getting ascended. Mecha, you are good to self-ascend when the criteria we talked about are met in game. Archaevist, would you mind talking with Shadow and Mecha to figure out a good time for you to self-ascend. I suspect the moment when Mecha's god ascends would likewise be a good moment for you to ascend, thereby interconnecting these series of events, but that isn't required, of course. Mostly just want to make sure that each of you get a moment to have the spotlight on you when you enter.
Specifically, Ebel was generally aware of what her eyes were seeing (hence why she knew that Isura had blocked her), what her hands are doing, and what her heart is feeling. [sic] With this in mind, currently Ebel's arm, eye, heart, and body are present all together.
Reread my entry into the game then. Ebel may have sacrificed her eye to ascend Isura, but Isura is not made of a piece of Ebel like Velt, Dajjal, Od'Vidr, and Tsiyoti.
Though even if these connections might be valid if Ebel was still alive, perhaps they are too much for a semi-sentient artifact? As noted above, this wouldn't be the first time I created something a little too powerful, so if it needs to be knocked down a notch, I am happy to do so. Or, really, if you just don't like the interaction and feel that it subtracts from the game or your god or the sort, I am happy to change it.
You have yet to expand the artifact to the wiki as you intended, so this is all we know about the heartstone:
3PP Forge Artifact: the Heartstone - A semi-sentient artifact suitable for heroic and paragon-level play. I’m working on a full write up for the Wikia, but as relevant for this game: its powers focus on the unseen being seen. This covers a host of normal D&D situations but for LoC it notably enables a mortal to perceive and interact with divine beings, and it circumvents excision. If held by a god, it would allow them to interact with mortals as well, but those mortals will perceive the god as an ordinary member of their species and they would forget the encounter within a few hours; this isn’t a replacement for an avatar.
Nothing in there indicates that some bit of Ebel still resides in the stone. Nothing in the cantrips you used relates to "the unseen becoming seen" either.
The fire-chain cantrip should not be allowed for the same reason we do not allow gods to be in two places at once: The artifact is with Kardak, and it should not be omniscient or able to act over vast distances as you demonstrated it to be.
Hmm... that gives me an idea...
The Universe Before Time
Problem there is that your entry has inaccuracies, so I had thought that it was written from Isura's point of view, and therefore not a representation of in-game fact. If I had known you had intended it as fact I would have addressed this issue before.
Players are largely free to define their god as they want to be, so that is fine stance to have (it does mess with established history a bit, but I think it only messes with parts that only I care about, so no loss there). However, this touches upon a larger issue that should be addressed:
Namely, technically speaking, Isura is not "the latest in a long line of primal elemental manifestations of fire." There is no official stance as to how the universe was before the game began. Which means that Isura is free to claim that she is the latest in a long line, but that doesn't make it true. Neither does it make it untrue. It is just "unofficial." Which means that it is just as valid for Ebel to say that she created Isura ex nihilo as it is for Isura to say that she is just the latest in a fire-dynasty.
This is important because currently we have two gods (and an exarch) who style themselves as having existed before time, with at least one more god along those lines in the pipeline. Everyone is free to imagine time before the universe however they want, but that cannot infringe on how other people imagine it.
Now mind you, I am not saying this to you specifically, Veok, but rather players in general in case this comes up again, as seems likely.
Reread my entry into the game then. Ebel may have sacrificed her eye to ascend Isura, but Isura is not made of a piece of Ebel like Velt, Dajjal, Od'Vidr, and Tsiyoti.
Problem there is that your entry has inaccuracies, so I had thought that it was written from Isura's point of view, and therefore not a representation of in-game fact. If I had known you had intended it as fact I would have addressed this issue before.
Players are largely free to define their god as they want to be, so that is fine stance to have (it does mess with established history a bit, but I think it only messes with parts that only I care about, so no loss there). However, this touches upon a larger issue that should be addressed:
Namely, technically speaking, Isura is not "the latest in a long line of primal elemental manifestations of fire." There is no official stance as to how the universe was before the game began. Which means that Isura is free to claim that she is the latest in a long line, but that doesn't make it true. Neither does it make it untrue. It is just "unofficial." Which means that it is just as valid for Ebel to say that she created Isura ex nihilo as it is for Isura to say that she is just the latest in a fire-dynasty.
This is important because currently we have two gods (and an exarch) who style themselves as having existed before time, with at least one more god along those lines in the pipeline. Everyone is free to imagine time before the universe however they want, but that cannot infringe on how other people imagine it.
Now mind you, I am not saying this to you specifically, Veok, but rather players in general in case this comes up again, as seems likely.
Everyone is free to imagine time before the universe however they want, but that cannot infringe on how other people imagine it.
Yes. This has always been my stance. Though I would use 'beyond' instead of 'before', for a more all-encompassing rhetoric. Past existence, in this case, need not be "merely" temporal (See Nerdzul's god in the playtest, or Toph and Wizdude's god in WorldWarp)
Lets get busy! creating that is! :P
Nice moon
so, as the count stands its about 6 to 1 give or take. I wonder if I'll finish my moon before you all get anywhere near going on the planet below?
Cheater :P
For the admins: I've thought of something that could be tacked onto artifacts (as a way to add fluff) both to generated and cantrip'd artifacts.
Artifact Addition
We all know that at their creation, artifacts cannot be used beyond their initial boundaries unless they'd be modified with a cantrip or actual PP, but I think that I want to introduce a little twist to this, without bending the rules so much.
I was thinking that an artifact 'could' in fact act outside of its boundaries a little bit, but not without some sort of consequence when that occurs.
For instance, in the event that a cantrip artifact were stretched beyond its limits without being modified, it could simply lie dormant for a while or it could disappear or break as a reaction to divine pressure built onto it.
In the event that an artifact created by PP were to be stretched beyond its limits without being modified, it could have even more and/ or drastic consequences (depending on how far one stretches it). For example, if someone were to simply use an artifact to change a part of the world and that the artifact could not normally do that, it would probably denourish (or Harm) the landscape instead or could simply modify a tiny bit of land, or it could just do nothing and become inactive until the next reset. If someone were to use the artifact and use it to affect a larger area without a proper modification, it could Harm the area as a whole, blow up or shatter, become permanently dormant after the action, or undo its last action or effect.
So many other consequences could happen depending on how far one takes an unmodified or improperly chosen artifact.
I was thinking that an artifact 'could' in fact act outside of its boundaries a little bit, but not without some sort of consequence when that occurs.
For instance, in the event that a cantrip artifact were stretched beyond its limits without being modified, it could simply lie dormant for a while or it could disappear or break as a reaction to divine pressure built onto it.
In the event that an artifact created by PP were to be stretched beyond its limits without being modified, it could have even more and/ or drastic consequences (depending on how far one stretches it). For example, if someone were to simply use an artifact to change a part of the world and that the artifact could not normally do that, it would probably denourish (or Harm) the landscape instead or could simply modify a tiny bit of land, or it could just do nothing and become inactive until the next reset. If someone were to use the artifact and use it to affect a larger area without a proper modification, it could Harm the area as a whole, blow up or shatter, become permanently dormant after the action, or undo its last action or effect.
So many other consequences could happen depending on how far one takes an unmodified or improperly chosen artifact.
And Toph, I'm only working with what you all gave me! At least for right now that is.....
Looks like you got a world to build!
Anywho, without further ado:
GoE's game history
To note, Nerdzul, teaching mortals about the gods and getting them to worship them sounds like a Command action.
ok btw haven't aradeia done the same thing, telling whispering the gods name to her tarnished for free... my bad I just got confused I'm sorry
The Moon - Tsiyoti
Dark Lands - The Silent One
Jzakai - Jzaquith
Promethia - Jzaquith
What's that, veok? You don't want to get on the wiki to look? Well, tough luck, here's a link to the page in question so you slackers have no excuse! : loc-central.wikia.com/wiki/GoE:_Game_His...
It is bound to come soon though.
Titans, Naga, Tarnish, Jzquait, and The Fallen.
I think V meant the Jzakai, but that seems pretty accurate.
Just so I'm sure: The remaining players waiting to ascend are:
Angel
Tinwe
Massive
Xeadin
Aboleth
Underground
Manrock (Gone in China till End of February)
Archaevist (cleared to start anytime)
EoA (Without reliable internets until april)
If I haven't mentioned you, please holler.
Really? The shadowfell again? I feel like you've done this already. :P
It's your own fault, I was going to make a Final Fantasy 7esque life stream type deal, but then your goddess made suggestions of how that reincarnation wasn't cruel enough. So now it's a reincarnation with a few centuries stop over in the blighted wastelands of purgatory
Because we can.
So if a Lord of Creation has a beef with this system, who do they complain to?
Do you mean if your god doesn't want spirits to go to the shadowfell? If it is an incharacter beef, then ingame is good, but it certainly is good to mention any alternate ideas you might have here as well.
Angel, gonna say probably this coming week or, at the very latest, the week after that. First two buckets are completely finished, We've only got a smattering of bucket 3, and bucket 4 we'll dip into partially next week and drain it dry the week after, assuming we keep our current pace of 3 gods/week.
Just so I'm sure: The remaining players waiting to ascend are:
Angel
Tinwe
Massive
Xeadin
Aboleth
Underground
Manrock (Gone in China till End of February)
Archaevist (cleared to start anytime)
EoA (Without reliable internets until april)
If I haven't mentioned you, please holler.
I think the order in this post is Toph's plan.
As a suggestion: If we don't hear anything from Tinwe and/ or Massive by the end of the week or at least right before the next reset, consider me as a candidate for either self-ascension or to be ascended. Don't want any blank spots hanging around at the end of the week, do ya? ;)
Who is actually watching this thread? Angel is, You obviously are, Xeadin, I've seen Massive here in the past week...
Tinwe, Underground, Aboleth, you still around? Post something if you are!
No worries.
Oh, and a quick reminder before I hit the sack-- a few more pages have been added but not filled out in the wiki: Tarnish, Lunar Sea, Shadowfell, Naga, and Cloud Rays. Pages were created for wiki upkeep. ;)
Make sure the pages don't already exist, Xeadin! :P *deletes your naga page* I've PM'd Topheh about joining and taking the Afterlife domain and he referred me here. I'm ready to start whenever I'm needed and since I'm not new to LoC I'll presumably be taking the back of the queue. Anubisdread, if you have the time you can PM me so we can get organised about the ascension.
Ascensions for the week!
Angel
Xeadin
Massive (if you've got a good idea, roll with it!)
I'll leave it to all of you to determine your self/directed ascension plans.
One thought I had is that we have a duality (civilization/savagery) being ascended this week, so it would be cool if the two of you perhaps arose from one common entity that split in two. Given the nature of Isura and mine's conversation, and with Eku right there, we could fairly easily arrange for your actual ascension using PP over the next few days. (If you are dead-set on self-ascending... well, so be it).
Massive, I think it depends on how you are concieving your God. I trust you to come to a good decision
Should we go with that or do you want to do an individual self-ascension? Either way I am okay with, as I am coming up with ascension ideas for both ;)Small nation of... what?
A small nation of Tarnish and Jzakai as a response to a chase from a group of Fallen. The existence of civilization comes in the form of a survival tactics as they stumble themselves upon one of Jzaquiht's ecosystems and they have to use whatever is currently available for them-- resources, as they are.
I also have another idea to bring about civilization if me and angel did ascend together, but it is something for me to know which action would be most appropriate.
I did review the wiki, and I think the Command action would be appropriate, but just wanted to make sure that I don't use the wrong action.
Yeah, you want command.
now, just awaiting a reply from Angel...
But
until then...
... 
... And the cycle continues
... ... And the cycle continues
Then again, the lack of food is starting to drive me nuts...
[edit] Well, I ain't gettin' any younger just sittin' here
As a reminder, using different colored fonts for your god's/exarch's speech is fine, but keep the colors readable.
As I wager I'm using the most different colors, was there a specific color that particularly irked you?
If anyone wants a mortal to use one of Tireas' weapon artifacts, there's no need to ask me. In fact, I encourage people to have mortals find them. So 'hint, hint' if you ever make a powerful mortal figure
Also, congrats everyone on the IC thread overtaking the OOC thread.
I could just put something superfluous here.
As for this week's ascensions, first three people to post here get to ascend.
@Xeadin -- "Pinnacle of Evolution" is an oxymoron.
Uhh... what?Xeadin, if by 'settlement' you mean 'current site of very unpleasant carnage and death' then... you are in the right place! Otherwise... yeah, we're not exactly doing the peaceful coexistence thing right about now.
Didn't know what the landscape looked like at its current scale, so yes. That is what I meant ;)
And this is also one reason why I would like to have at least a map to refer back to easily, because I dislike guessing where everything is and having to put something in the wrong place is something I'd like to avoid as much as possible
@Xeadin -- "Pinnacle of Evolution" is an oxymoron.
"Pinnacle of Evolution" implies that there is an 'end' to evolution -- a plateau upon which no further evolution will occur.
This is false.
Evolution is a response to environmental pressures. Without environmental pressures, there is no incentive to evolve. It is impossible for something to be "more evolved" or "less evolved" than something else (complexity comes close, but evolution does not always involve an increase in complexity). Hence, "pinnacle of evolution" is altogether meaningless.
"Top of the food chain" or "Apex Predator" probably works better to convey the meaning you were intending (though are likely not the best choice given the context).
Related note: Is it just me, or is this brand of LoC particularly science-y in flavour?
That said... yes, map. Good. When my life isn't quite so insane, and when thought gives me admin access to the wiki (reminding you again, thoughterston!), I'll work to put up some maps.
And... Veok... thats not intentional at all. Not. At. All.
Side note, it makes perfect sense to be attacked when one horribly horribly offends the cultural customes of other individuals. There should be unfortunately clashes of culture.
Yeah, yeah. Jazakai-lover. Take their side on this! Nagas Rule! :P
Only because there are, as of yet, neither badgers nor mushrooms.
He's the Time-lord ;)
If I had known you were assuming more naga and tarnished, then we could have had more fun Yeah, sorry, I had thought that the groups were large, but looking back I see that was a false assumption on my part.
EDIT: Apparently I shalln't eliminate said Naga, so never mind. I'm apparently "special" today.
I think I still owe Ara a post as well...
I've attempted to contact Aldii but, with no response, I must assume she has no plans of returning. As such, we would like to offer up the Ice Domain and/or Od'Vidr for new players to take control of. If you are interested, please PM me so we can work out the details.
In other news, here is a list of all the new pages that have been made, thanks in part to the Wiki Upkeep system
Sea Serpents (Monster) Topheh
Jzin (Plane) Arythmia
Kebens (Race) Angelofthenight
Sephus (God) AngeloftheNight
Gods can live without that, no?
Although, Camu, when I said Forge, I meant more Forge Domain rather than Forge Artifact, but I suppose how you've done it works as well.
I don't know, something like that. I'm not that hip to drag culture, I suppose.
Well i didn't exactly kill him, just stole a chunk of his heart....
Gods can live without that, no?
It's more of the 'altering her character without her consent' I take offense to. Given her absence, it's a moot point to be sure, but if she were to return and make an issue of it, I'd want to take her side.
You spelled "Tireas" wrong
Also, what action creates a pantheon for gods? The same action for forging avatars?
As for creating a godly pantheon... I think that just kinda... happens. If anything, it would be a 'domain' or sorts that all the gods adopt.
Uhh... what just happened to the mibbit chat? I can't seem to get on...Probably another one of their server breakdowns or something, but... that sucks.
[edit] Yep. Another server breakdown. Managed to get back on, so whatever happened was
In case anyone was wondering.
Hey, uh... veok? Aren't you gonna post your Embrin/ Titan conquerers their reaction? Because the Rathians are starting to outnumber your raiding party... :/
I have been too busy with real life to write a decent reply, lately. You'll just have to wait a bit longer, I'm afraid.
Also: Mecha. What have-th I wrought with you? O.o
And Veok. The plural of fish is FISHIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (exclamation marks required)
Sort of like how you keep spelling 'Niganati' as 'Naginati'?
touché
Just been waiting to execute them...Secondly, the titans have already left, and thirdly, the new force of Embrin (the group with Vantric) aren't anywhere near the city. They're approaching it, but they're still far away -- unless you intended for Bartholameau to venture, alone, into the midst of this new army?
@angelofthenight: Spawn is 2pp, not 1
yeah, its been a little funky. Go to www.mibbit.com/chat That... seems to work.
Well, it ain't doin' nothin' fer meh.
EDIT: Tag veok.
Veok, I believe you missed my response.
No, I didn't miss it, I'm still trying to decide how to respond to it.
Slow week apparently...But that's all good and done now, so yay for next week being less slow? :D
Hmm... I might have an idea...Been waiting for a motivator
[edit] Phew... that took a lot of guts to do...
I'll be more active next week when I'm not dealing with students 24/7, I promise.
This way its not just one post per person each week just with PP expenses.
Humans
Orcs
Want me to create the Nation pages for you?
Camu... its worth considering. Lets talk about it.
Hey, so I don't know how to add letter catagories to the artifact page. If someone could explain that to me it'd be great.
You mean this page?
That may have accounted for some of the silence...
Come join the fun here!Hey, so I don't know how to add letter catagories to the artifact page. If someone could explain that to me it'd be great.
You mean this page?
Yeah but how do I add an artifact page so that it goes under the proper letter?
Also, is there... erm... any particular reason your keben envoy exploded?
EDIT:
Oh, it might be nice if people knew what I had in mind:
Name: Pamora (pronounced pah-mor-ah)
Domain: Love
Gender: Dubious
Appearance: Pamora's gender shifts depending on what seems most useful in a given situation to shkler. Features common between shkler two genders is that shkle has four arms and no legs, the bottom half of shkler body dissipating into an aromatic haze. Additionally, shkler skin is stony and stylized: shkle appears humanoid but seems to be more of an abstraction of what a humanoid might look like, rather than a specific being. As a male, his skin is blue, he is tall and lanky, with a pronounce brow, no nose, and teal grassy-tuffs for hair. As a female, she is short, portly, chubby and rosy cheeks, and a flowerfall for hair.
Symbol: Filigree thorny vines, which produce a vague heart shape.
Personality/Core Concept: The shard of Ebel's spirit sealed within the Heartstone attempted to take over a mortal. The mortal's own spirit was sufficient to prevent itself from being dominated, but the two essences mixed and produced a new being with only hazy memories (more of emotional impulses, really) of its past lives. It is love not so much in terms of the emotion or sex, but rather the generative spirit that love often embodies. Pamora embodies sensual love, but also the love of friends, the love of companions, the love of things and deeds and so on, and so forth. To note, Pamora isn't Ebel: shkle is meant to be a new character, with Ebel merely providing the divine essence to turn a mortal into a god.
Name: Pamora (pronounced pah-mor-ah)
Domain: Love
Gender: Dubious
Appearance: Pamora's gender shifts depending on what seems most useful in a given situation to zer. Features common between zer two genders is that zie has four arms and no legs, the bottom half of zer body dissipating into an aromatic haze. Additionally, zer skin is stony and stylized: zie appears humanoid but seems to be more of an abstraction of what a humanoid might look like, rather than a specific being. As a male, his skin is blue, he is tall and lanky, with a pronounced brow, no nose, and teal grassy-tufts for hair. As a female, she is short, portly, chubby and rosy cheeks, and a flowerfall for hair.
Symbol: Filigree thorny vines, which produce a vague heart shape.
Personality/Core Concept: The shard of Ebel's spirit sealed within the Heartstone attempted to take over a mortal. The mortal's own spirit was sufficient to prevent itself from being dominated, but the two essences mixed and produced a new being with only hazy memories (more of emotional impulses, really) of its past lives. It is love not so much in terms of the emotion or sex, but rather the generative spirit that love often embodies. Pamora embodies sensual love, but also the love of friends, the love of companions, the love of things and deeds and so on, and so forth. To note, Pamora isn't Ebel: zer is meant to be a new character, with Ebel merely providing the divine essence to turn a mortal into a god.
Okay. That's readable. My brain made it to "shlker" and began to smoke and stutter. Now substituted, I can read it safely. >.<
Ah, but then the Futurama reference is totally lost.
As much as I love Futurama, I love what remains of my sanity more. Something about verbal humor is lost in the textify-ing of it.
-Thought
Your posts are doing that thing again where I'm unable to post after them, or view anything after them.
Veok, its fairly obvious you are planning some form of apocolypse. Care to provide some details?
It'll be slow going though, because of the way Ourogandr works, it costs a hefty amount of PP to "eat" anything. And I'm going to stay away from "popular" areas like the Garden for the present.
So, are we starting the end already?
Define 'measely'mea·sly/ˈmēzlē/
Adjective: Contemptibly small or few
Before I forget. I'm out of town from Thursday to Sunday. I imagine having internet access for the trip, but I'm quite certain I will not be anywhere near my computer saturday night and sunday morning. We'll have the reset at midnight EST on the Sat/Sun threshold, and I'll post an update when I get home that evening. Or maybe monday, depending on jetlag
Isura called out to the Phoenixes, and like long-lost children returning home, they came to her. Entire swaths of the sky darkened as bird upon bird awoke, got its bearings, and shot off towards the goddess of Fire.
My action supplements those that remain. These are specifically very "near earth" stars, just on the edge of the normal atmosphere. They are also less long-lasting than the others.
I would also like to point out that, despite all evidence, fluff is all that really matters in the end. When the setting notes are written devotedly, I am sure, they are going to say "And then Isura called all the stars to herself, wiping the night sky blank," and not "But not really, because she didn't spend any PP on it."
The only thing that "PP must be used to remove a PP action," means is that to remove an effect permanently, one must spend PP. One can still remove something and for all intents and purposes have it gone, but someone else can come along and reinstate them for free. PP is merely spent on developing the concept of something in the Lords of Creation world. Whether they spend all the time in the world is a matter generally left up to the creator.
And as a simple matter of curiosity, people have been saying the stars are gone for quite a few days now, quite a bit before Thought mentioned his own stars. I merely wonder why you didn't correct them when they brought it up.
Perhaps they'll fall in love and burn each other out in a pyre of self-renewing energy!Just want to make sure you're going after the people you think you're going after (if you're going after the artifacts). The Tarnished don't have a weapon anymore, although you might have missed it... the Embrin took it in about three sentances a couple days ago!
The Naga, though. They've got one. Or you could go after the other two the Embrin have
Second, you said Ourogandr was heading to the white wall. Thus, the location clause would have been activated. Since apparently you did not mean to say that Ourogandr was heading to the white wall, could you please clarify where s/he is, in fact, heading?
Thanks
And Joran, does this mean that perhaps you will finally venture forth? I was comin to meet you, but a large fire dragon got in my way!
2) From my reading of it, the stars were only present around the land-continent of the world. As I understand it, the White-Wall is some distance beyond that, which would be out of the stars 'jurisdiction'.
That seems fairly clear to me: anything that would damage the world but occurs "naturally" doesn't trigger the stars, while anything that would damage the world but is "unnatural" does. What about it seems vague to you? I am quite happy to add more specificity. It seems that the most unclear thing would be what classifies as "damage," since, as you noted, removing things isn't the same as destroying them. However, as Joran noted, removing the sun is damaging life on the moon, so "removing" things, particularly on a large scale, can damage.
As for their area, again the description: they prevent malicious material things from crossing between the world below and the up-and-out.
There are two areas that the stars are in-between. The world and the up-and-out (a euphemism for space, but perhaps it isn't as common as I thought?). Anything that isn't in space is in the world, and vice versa. Harmful things thus are blocked from coming to non-space from space, and vice versa.
And yes, it would appear I have a vastly different view of the current cosmology of the world than you.
As for intent, while the exact situation could modify it, your posposed situation actually seems quite clear as well. In the description I gave the example of two asteroids hitting earth, just replace the word asteroid with "fragment of Tireas' shield": if a fragment of Tireas' shield is specifically hurled towards the world in order to destroy it or large portions of it, the artifact reacts. But if a fragment of Tireas' shield happens to fall, through no intent of anyone, then the stars don't react.
Edit: Oh, as for where these stars (the stars-minor, if you will) are, I meant to say that they are, essentially, wherever one might think stars are. This being the wide-expanse of space, not a limited portion of it.
I'm currently in the process of reading the wiki; is it up-to-date enough for me to get a good idea of what's going on in the world, or do I need to read through all fifty-some pages of the IC thread?
Anyway, I'd like to join the game at the soonest convenience. The god I would like to play would arrive through the Gate (being a god, the giant snake guardian should let him through, or am I misunderstanding?). Should I post his writup here?
The wiki is just about updated enough, but I must go make a few adjustments-- since I just created a massive sinkhole underneath a nation...
Anyway, welcome back Argus.
As for when you start, officially, you can begin posting immediately, as technically you've already been cleared to post, but for now I would say just post his write-up, and the official go-ahead for you to begin posting should come with the reset later tonight.
As for the Gate thing, I do believe that would be all right, unless Mecha, who created said snake guardian, has any objections.
Name of God: Baern
Starting Domain: Strife
Physical Appearance: A tall, thin man wearing a nondescript black, brown, or gray cloak. Sometimes he appears to have no eyes; other times, he has fangs instead of teeth. There's always something wrong with his face.
Symbol: A howling wolf's head
Titles: The Maker of Misery, The Last of the Yugoloths, He Who Never Smiles, the Dark Interloper.
Personality/Core Concept: Baern is pure evil. Literally. He uses evil to make babies. A darkly philosophical being, Baern understands his nature in entirely intellectual terms, and sees the corruption of mortal beings as a simple fact of life for himself. The more evil he causes, the more yugoloth children he can create, his ultimate goal being to repopulate his dead race.
Baern was an exarch from the original Lords of Creation setting. The idea here is that he fled Creation after the events of that game, and wandered through the cosmos until finding his way through the Gates of Eternity and deciding to set up shop. His millennia of wandering the space between worlds have made him more powerful, so he is now a fully fledged god.
That would be my doing. I just checked into the wiki again to see if I was still logged in. There wasn't any problems, so I'm not sure if it recorded the edits right or some other weird thing...
Anyway, just thought I'd let you know ;)
[edit] Okay, just went in to edit another artifact I meant to update. Apparently, the wiki is glitzing out on my profile-- only showing that I am logged in on the Home page, but telling me to log in on the other pages...
Must be some sort of technical difficulty or something, because that is very unusual... Welcome back, Argus!
I changed Baern's description to make him less about war in particular and more about general strife. Hopefully that doesn't step on the war god's toes as much.
Now, I'm looking at the wiki, but information seems to be limited. All it says about elves is that they were created by Amun and live on the moon. Humans and gnolls have nothing at all Camu tells me that the naga have had a war, but I can't find anything about it. Which pages of the thread should I read to learn more about these races?
Humans and gnolls, I can't recall. I don't think there is really anything about them.
Anyways on that note, Orcs, Humans, recently introduced devas and Elves live upon the moon. Naga, and pretty much every other race live on the main world. The moon is more or less your forest type setting, while the lower world as I see it seems more closer in style to that of dark-sun. And that's it in a nutshell if I'm not mistaken. That's my opinion of it of course.
As for events, wars, and other goodies like that, you'll have to read the myraid of pages that there are. I dont think a history has been done yet, although it will be in the future.
oh, as an edit: Humans do have a mini-civil war going on among them with a naturalist movement attempting to bring down the civilizations that were brought up. They are lead by an exarch. Look to angelofthenight's posts for those.
The Naga "War," if I recall correctly, was between them and the Embrin, mostly, with other races brought in as monsters of the week sort of things. I think it started around post 380 and you'd be looking for posts specifically from Toph and Veok. It happened in a place called Naganati. The end result was that 5 embrin became body-guard-like-soldiers for the naga.
Humans and gnolls, I can't recall. I don't think there is really anything about them.
This is wrong. I can't expand on this right this moment because I need to dash off to class, but this isn't the situation at all. I'll elaborate when I return.
There was no war, per say... and I'm not sure how that got added to the wiki.
There was a tense standoff of sorts for quite a while between a band of Embrin and the Naga that eventually resulted in the Embrin leader demanding/requesting/suggesting (so hard to tell with those Embrin!
) the fealty of the Naga people. The Naga had recieved a prophesy of sorts that the Red-Skinned (Embrin) would lead them to glory, but began to get cold feet when the realized just how fractious the Embrin peoples were, and that Valerius (the leader of the Embrin band), would not offer them some of the concessions they wished in return for their vassalage. In the end, they sent Valerius off to gain more assurances from the other Embrin and gain the concessions they wished for. As Valerius left, the Naga were beset by a horde of Fallen, and five Embrin broke off and in a dramatic show of glory and wonder drove off the horde and were welcomed as heroes into Niganati. There, they were asked to become the war-leaders of the Naga people.Anything else to add, Veok?
From what I understand from the last few posts, some of the naga are starting to resent the Embrin. This seems like the kind of situation I might want to aggravate, as Baern likes it when people are mean to each other. Mind if I encourage some naga to get violent?
*Works that finding of corpse into his next post*
I think I might spent a PP to retroactively add a few more Embrin to Niganati... the fact that killing one of them means that 20% of the Embrin in Niganati have been slain seems... foolish
Well, this should be exciting!
I think I might spent a PP to retroactively add a few more Embrin to Niganati... the fact that killing one of them means that 20% of the Embrin in Niganati have been slain seems... foolish
My post to thought regarding the old Embrin already implied that Embrin unaligned with Ephriam's direct group have migrated to Naginati. (Otherwise, how the hell did an old and wizened Embrin get there to argue theology in the first place? :P)
Maybe you guys just age really fast. Or are time travellers. Or... have progeria?
By the way, are we archiving historical events on the wiki as well?
I assumed more Embrin had been slowly migrating, due to pilgrimage and such. It seems unlikely that a group of naga would be that hostile about the embrin being around if there were really only five of them.
Actually, the reverse could well be true. The five apparently are fancy-to-do's in the government. People have a tendency to grow distrustful ofa minority in power.
Don't know if you saw it Toph, but the Juggernaut requested a meeting with the Embrin leader. If you're not responding, it's fine, I just didn't see a post relating to it.
That's because the leader of the Embrin was currently engaged with Toph's principal naga. That situation should be resolving shortly.
A few things I noticed as I was going over PP that I didn't catch last week because I was out of town.
Angel: An Embrin is currently weilding Vantric. Unless you found and killed him... which I'm sure Veok would likely have something to say about (
) you... can't have it!Xeadin: You are, of course, free to spend your PP on this if you want, but ever since WorldWarp we've decided that classes don't have to be specifically taught. I've noted it in my expenditures that Iganti Meadows trains EXCELLENT wizards now. Let me know if you want to change that.
Angel: Just saw you did the same for Sylvanion.
Shadow: Don't push it with the PP storage. I'll let you do it this time, but the principle behind it is that you store up your leftover PP for something the next week, not just blanket transfer an entire week's worth of PP to another week!
Ah well, 5 PP still isn't too bad.
Joram, if I could ask a favor, could you make it so that your lycans turn into some other animal besides wolves? Wolves have only just been created in this world, and they're evil; seems an odd choice, and on a more selfish note I was really wanting to make werewolves myself this turn. If you're really attached to the concept though, I won't push it.
A small minority of Embrin live within Niganati acting as teachers and military instructors, and, in times of strife, generals, lieutenants, etc. (Similar to the German officers hired by the Japanese pre WWI). There is no "Embrin empire" at all.
Remember that the moon and the lower world are not currently linked in any way except that the moon is smaller by a small bit and is above the world. There currently is no means for anything except us godly beings to cross the distance, although I am attempting to work on that. The elves are having fits of bad luck with them currently connected to the garden right by the Gate. Which kinda works out for its guardian, but not so much for the elves. They'll get it right eventually, they just need some guidance.
Remember, until someone opens a pathway or bridge between the two, the races of the moon and the races of the world have not, and has no way of mixing yet.
Strife, war, passions, etc... on the moon are a by product of their respective gods existing, as the only other god besides me that has actually been there and knows what is actually there is Erainull.
Also on one last note, while lycan does specifically mean wolves and in this case werewolves, Lycanthropy is a fairly broad term in the dnd sense.
any further objections?
Toph, I'm finally venturing forth!
A certain god and his ire's seem to have irked my god. Maybe if you come and bring Tireas along, he might finally get a workout?
Hmm...
actually....
I could have sworn that some time ago, I read a series of posts about the Embrin having an empire and considering conquering the naga, but deciding not to. And now there's an army approaching Naginata...isn't that an embrin army?
As for the army approaching Naganati, I think those are Angel's forces, so not-embrin. Though I could be wrong.
Okay folks. Niganati. Not Naganiti, not Naganati, not Naginata. :P
The Embrin are... powerhungry, but its an individual power-hunger. It seems to be their driving desire to find their own little fiefdoms with a band of lesser embrin and other races beneath them. Technically, it might be possible for some great Embrin leader to unite the others beneath him, but... that is certainly not the case yet, although I *do* think that that might be where Veok is going with recent developments.
That said, yes. Army that is approching the Naga is comprised of Keben and one fairly ornery avatar of myself. Veok's other Embrin army is logically moving towards Niganati as well, as that is where the next artifact is. Its exact location, though... is unclear.
Also, Re: Embrin.
Once again, Toph has the right of it. They have a capital city which is distant, desolate, and neutral, so they feel compelled to venture out into the world to conquer a kingdom for themselves. Their primary competition at this point is with each other as the only other races aboveground (Rathians, Naga) stick to their single city, or have never banded into a nation at all (titans, gnolls).
Just so I had a chance to yell at people for messing it up in the future! Several years back I wrote a program for a DnD game that took into account how linguistic drift would affect written speech. The PCs were finding all these old things written in perfect english, just drifted away using various parameters (yay internet and my wife's linguistics books!) based on how much time had passed. History checks would give people a partial or complete conversion of the text, usually resulting in something that was readable after a litle bit of puzzling it out. My wife, being a linguistics buff, loved it
In a few turns, I would like to make Vampires. If no one objects, I have a really cool twist on them I'd like to try out.
My impression was that there were a few "supernatural" environments (which is to say, natural but alien) on the world itself, but that it was mostly barren.
Right, but the ecosystems that do exist are all crazy and elemental. And since you introduced rain, many of the formerly-barren areas are now grasslands full of killer wolves.
My personal thought is that the world is about 50/50 normal stuff and unique stuff. I'd prefer not to think of the non-described areas as barren rock... to me, at least, they're just nondescript regions of the world that have their own features... that we haven't defined yet.
I'm back... from a few days of bewildermentSo...any species from the moon or the world would probably suffocate and die if they tried to go to the other place!
Hmm.....that should make for some interesting side stories!
Oh, on one last note, Xeadin, your other games are calling you!
I think Steam crashed under Portal 2.
Okay. I posted in the Lords of Creation 3 thread thinking that was the current one, because I stumbled across it. I played way back in Lords of Creation 2 (I think. I just thought of it as Shard Worlds.) I'm interested in playing again if there's space.
Hey, it would be great to have you. As Veok said, just post a stat block for your god and you are most the way joined. To note, you might want to take a look over what gods already exist in game: loc-central.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Gods...
As a side note, the numbering on some of the LoCs is a bit messed up. LoC 3 is the 5th incarnation of the games on the wizard forums. The current game, Gates of Eternity, is the 7th. In order, they go: (1) Creation, (2) Shardsworld, (3) Galara, (4) Aetheric Realms/LoC2, (5) Lightvoid/LoC3, (5.5) Playtest, (6) WorldWarp, (7) Gates of Eternity
Just click on gods and it should take you there. But if that doesn't work, just go ahead and post your concept and we'll let you know if there is already someone with a very similar god. That doesn't bar you from having that god, but we might ask you collaborate with the other individual if so.
Name of God: Dloz
Starting Domain: Chaos
Physical Appearance: When at rest Dloz appears as a rip in reality that shimmers with different colored lights. If he does choose to take a form it rarely will last for more than a few seconds. Usually he'll take the form of a nearby person or animal that he thinks is interesting and will experiment with 'improving' the entity.
Symbol: Multi-colored Spiral
Titles: The Catalyst, The Unsleep, The Unthinkable
Personality/Core Concept: Dloz seeks to alter reality. As a young god, he resembles a child in the fact that he doesn't really think of others. He feels that the world is his plaything and wants to do with it what he wants. This includes randomly mutating life forms, which sometimes kills mortals. He also experiments with disabling certain laws of physics if he thinks it will be enjoyable.
Let's give a little bit of time for the other admins to weigh in before making things official, however.
In any case, welcome to LoC, I think you'll fit right it.
On a side note. Apologies for not posting much this week. I blame a certain game starring a sarcastic AI.
In less pleasant news, the next two and a half weeks (until the 11th) are going to be very busy for me, so I'm probably not going to be too active in game. I'll still respond if you say hi, but don't expect any long posts or the like.
Edit: Are the rules any different from the ones for Shard World?
Another Edit: Okay. I'm just too excited so I'm going to post in game even though I haven't finished reading the thread so far. lol
Well, I'm sure we would have had a lot more interesting results if Jzaquiht had stuck around. As it is... the earlier environments are supernatural, and they have set the tone for the entire world, in that the world is actually a Nitrogen-Arsenic system, instead of a Carbon-Oxygen system like Earth. Ultimately, that means about nothing for the game proper, just makes us... unique
My personal thought is that the world is about 50/50 normal stuff and unique stuff. I'd prefer not to think of the non-described areas as barren rock... to me, at least, they're just nondescript regions of the world that have their own features... that we haven't defined yet.
........... you know, all those times I asked about the environment of the world, this is the sort of thing I would have liked to have known. As is, I've been operating under the normal system. :P
So my guess is, we've got a weird mix. Meaning some places could be really lethal to unprepared explorers.
I'm going to read through what has happened in the game before I actually post. Also, are the rules posted on here at all? For some reason the Wiki site for the game won't load.
Edit: Are the rules any different from the ones for Shard World?
Another Edit: Okay. I'm just too excited so I'm going to post in game even though I haven't finished reading the thread so far. lol
I think that is totally valid. After all, it isn't like your character would know the complete history.
As for the rules, nah, they are fairly different. I, unfortunately, don't have much time right now, but here are the action rules copied and pasted from the wikia. Hopefully the format isn't too funky:
Rules
Brief List of Actions
Edit Action Descriptions
Brief List of Actions
The following list provides a brief summary of the various actions.
- 0PP Cantrip - This action can produce a variety of low-level effects.
- 1PP Nourish - This action causes the target to thrive and prosper.
- 1PP Command - This causes the target to perform, adopt, or discover a particular type of behavior.
- 1PP Mold (Minor) - This creates or modifies a small amount of land, water, or similar substance.
- 2PP Harm - The opposite of the Nourish action, this brings calamity to the target.
- 2PP Spawn - This creates a creature that could present a threat to a PC.
- 2PP Mold (Moderate) - This creates or modifies a moderate amount of land, water, or similar substance.
- 3PP Beget - This creates a being of divine origin, usually an exarch or god, and rarely a mortal hero. The cost for this action is reduced by 1 if the cost is shared between two gods.
- 3PP Forge - This creates some inanimate object of divine nature (aka, an artifact) that is capable of influencing mortals and the world in general. Additionally, this creates a concept or grants a god particular control over an aspect of the world.
- 4PP Shape - This creates a race of intelligent beings.
- 4PP Craft - This creates an avatar or plane of existence.
- 4PP Mold (Greater) - This creates or modifies a large amount of land, water, or similar substance.
- XPP Alter - This modifies an existing thing and turns it into something else.
Edit Action DescriptionsThe following provides in-depth information regarding each action.
Edit Cantrip - 0 PP
Cantrips are a variety of low-level actions that do not cost actual PP. These are either minor or temporary actions. Generally, anything that is less powerful than a regular action could potentially be a cantrip.
A god might create a babbling brook, or a few rabbits, etc. These are permanent affects, but anything that is created for free can also be destroyed for free.
Alternately a god's presence might cause crops to thrive, resulting in a nourish for the area. Or they might cause a stone pillar to arise so that they can survey the land. As soon as the god leaves, however, the effects also leave and the area returns to normal.
Edit Nourish - 1 PP
This action causes the target of the action to thrive and prosper. Targets can include creatures, land, nations, etc.
When land is created it is barren, devoid of life, and lacking general resources. The nourish adds ecosystems to that land. It may also add resources that are not part of the general ecosystem but which may benefit mortals (such as ore, gems, etc).
Likewise, usually when a population is created, only a handful of creatures are present. The nourish action might cause them to reproduce, have plenty of food, accumulate wealth, etc.
Edit Examples
Thor, lord of Thunder, went to war against the frost giants. With his hammer, Mjolnir, he slew countless foes and their shattered bodies fell to earth as snow. As the bodies decayed and the snow melted, the land was renewed and would provide bounty for those living on it.
When Hermes killed Argos of the Many Eyes he plucked out each and hide them in the earth. In time men found them and called them gems, for they were like stones and of great beauty.
Edit Other Considerations
A nourish doesn't have a set effect. That is, nourishing a populace wont cause it to gain a certain number of citizens, nor can two nations be directly compared by the number of nourishes they have. Generally a single nourish wont cause a hamlet to suddenly become a metropolis, but the specifics are usually left up to individual players.
Edit Command - 1 PP
This instructors the target in a matter of divine will. While the target of this action is usually a sentient creatures, such gnomes or humans, non-sentient creatures and even inanimate objects can be affected by this.
When the first sentient population is created in the world they know very little, just enough to survive in the wild: they are effectively a hunter-gatherer society. The gods use this action develop the cultures of the mortals they create.
Gods may also directly communicate their will to mortals through this action, causing them to migrate, go to war, or sue for peace. This can also be used to cause a race or nation to become well known for a particular skills.
When animals or monsters are commanded, they can adopt migratory patterns or specific yet simple behaviors.
When inanimate objects are commanded, could set up natural laws of the universe, or it could force the objects to act contrary to their assumed behavior. For example, a waterfall might be commanded to flow upwards.
Edit Examples
In early times mortals did not know how to create or use fire; this was a tool of the gods. Yet Prometheus, one of the gods, took pity on those below and stole fire to give to them.
Aule crafted the dwarf lords in ages long since passed, yet he gave them to Eru who put them to sleep until the time for his children came. When at last the elves woke, and then in turn the dwarves, Aule instructed them in many things, including the Valar who created Middle Earth and resided in the undying lands.
The Israelites fled Egypt and slavery, but the armies of Pharaoh pursued them. Then, the Israelites came to the Sea of Reeds and there they could go no further. The power of God blew down and instructed the sea to part so that they Israelites might cross on dry ground.
Edit Other Considerations
While it isn't necessary to spend PP to teach every basic technology to a culture, it is frown upon if a player create a race and assumes they are already at the same technological and sociological level as other races in the game.
Technologies or the sort that might not be present in a normal setting (airships, for example) should be specifically noted in the Wikia. Likewise with homebrewn classes.
Edit Mold (Minor) - 1 PP
The Mold action serves to create or alter existing landforms. This can raise a mountain out of a continent, cause an island to rise from the ocean floor. Land is the target of this action.
When the game begins, there is nothing in existence. The first gods must create the world itself. They use this action to create valleys, bays, mountains, volcanoes, etc.
Edit Examples
Poseidon became angry and he struck the island. That which he had raised from the depths of the ocean return to the depths. The mountain he raised became a valley and it was swallowed in water.
Morgoth fled from the undying lands and returned to his broken fortress. Above the gates he errected a mountain, the Iron Hill.
Edit Other Considerations
To note, causing land fall on top of a nation in order to destroy it requires both a Harm action and a Mold action.
Edit Harm - 2 PP
This action causes calamity to befall an area. It will cause fire to rain from the sky, disease to sweep through a population, floods to cover the land, drought to destroy crops in the field, etc. The targets of this action are the same as the targets for the Nourish action.
Edit Examples
Apollo heard the lament of Chryses, his priest, and he rained down a pestilence upon the Greeks with his arrows of disease. The Greeks became sick and could not move from where they happened to lie.
And God became angry with the Egyptians and caused the waters of the Nile to turn to blood, and throughout all of Egypt, so that the land stank with decay.
Edit Spawn - 2 PP
This action produces creatures and monsters; anything that is not a sentient race but can still offer a combat challenge to a group of adventurers falls into this category. This action does not have a target but rather a product.
The gods not only create the land but the inhabitants of the land as well. Not all of the inhabitants are creatures one would desire to run into.
Mundane creatures, such as rabbits or ants, are created via the nourish action.
Edit Examples
Athena became angry at Poseidon and Medusa for defiling her temple. She struck Medusa with a curse, causing her beauty to fade away. Her form became twisted, like that of a snake, and her hair fell out, being replaced by a writing mane of serpents. She was so foul that any who looked upon her might be turned to stone.
Edit Other Considerations
The difference between a creature produced by this action and one produced by the nourish action is the things general threat level. Any creature, no matter how mystical and fantastical it might be, that is not a threat to an adventurer is produced via the Nourish Action. Anything that could be a threat is a Spawn Action, unless the creature is a sentient race, in which case it is the Shape Action.
Edit Mold (Moderate) - 2 PP
A more powerful version of the Mold (Lesser) action. This too serves to create or alter existing landforms. This can raise a mountain range out of a continent, cause an archipelago to rise from the ocean floor. Land is the target of this action.
Edit Beget - 3 PP
A divine being creates another being of divine origin, either as an equal or as a servant.
Edit Examples
Odin went into Jord and in time the Giantess gave birth to Thor, who is called the Thunderer. He was counted as mighty among the gods.
Zeus disguised himself as Amphitryon and lay with Alcmene. In time she gave birth to Hercules, a hero of great renown.
Venus and Mars come together in passion and from their congress was born Cupid, who came to serve his mother and spread love of beauty throughout the world.
Edit Other Considerations
This action has two primary purposes. One is to create a new, fully independent god, which allows a new player to begin participating in the campaign creating process. This is not the only way for a new god to enter the game, however. Please see the Domain Rules page for more information.
The other purpose is to create a divine servant that is under the control of the creator god/participant (these beings are called Exarchs). An Exarch provides additional roleplaying opportunities and they can interact with Mortals more easily than the gods themselves.
Mortal heroes might also fall into this category, though they needn't necessarily be created this way.
A bonus is granted to this action if the cost of it is shared by two gods. Specifically, the cost of the action is reduced from 3PP to 2PP (thus, 1PP for each participating god). A single god performing the begat action must spend the full 3PP.
Edit Forge - 3 PP
A god creates an inanimate object of divine or metaphysical nature out of nothing. This may be an artifact that influences the world and serves the god's purposes or it might be a domain such as Water or Travel that becomes fundamental to the universe.
Edit Examples
Working day and night for countless years, the god Hephaestus forged a mighty chariot that could withstand the heat of the sun and the arduous climb of the sky. This he gave to Helios, who drives the chariot daily, so that the earth might have light.
Edit Other Considerations
This action creates divine artifacts, such as the Hand and Eye of Vecna or the Axe of Dwarven Lords, which can be used to direct mortals, combat other gods, or effect the world in general. When an artifact is created its effects on the world/those who hold it should be clearly established, although a formal stat-block is not required. Please see the Artifacts and Exarchs rule page for more information.
This action can also create a new Domain or formalize one and add it to the creating god's portfolio, if the god has an open slot.
Edit Mold (Greater) - 4 PP
A most powerful version of this act, the Mold Greater action allows a god to create or alter landforms on the scale of continents or oceans.
Edit Examples
Fox looked across the endless sea and desired a dry place to rest. And so he caused there to be dry ground on which he could sleep.
Edit Other Considerations
When oceans are created, it is assumed that they are created with an ocean floor as well. There is no need to create land for the ocean to sit atop. Of course, if so defined at the time of creation, a god can just create an ocean's worth of water without the associated ocean floor.
Additionally, both continents and oceans are utterly featureless and devoid of life and resources.
Edit Shape - 4 PP
This action creates a sentient race of creatures; they are apart from the dumb beasts of the field. They are capable of understanding the gods and mastering the world around them.
Edit Examples
Odin and his brothers came across a log and from that they fashioned a woman and a man. These two went out and produced all the people that now live today.
Edit Other Considerations
This action creates a sparsely distributed populace in a single location. Races may be a single nation, or they may have several nations, or they may be part of other nations but have no centralized authority themselves. Players should attempt to develop a race's culture through RPing and the command/nourish actions.
Edit Craft - 4 PP
This action creates an Avatar, a mix of divine and mundane matter that a god can use to interact with the world more effectively. Alternately, this can create an additional plane of existence.
Edit Examples
In the beginning there was Ginnungagap, a great expanse between frigid Niflheim and burning Muspelheim. Odin and his brothers slew the Giant, Ymir, and from his body created the world that is. So was formed Midgard, the world of men, and Alfheim too, where the light-folk reside. Asgard and Jotunheim, also, were made, and other worlds too.
Edit Other Considerations
An avatar is a physical manifestation of a god that can more-readily interact with mortals. With this a god no longer needs to interact with the material world through the medium of exarchs or other servants. However, this also allows mortals the possibility of attacking or capturing that god. Please see the Avatar page for more information.
This action can create additional planes of existence, such as the Feywild or Sigil. While the creating god may establish a general theme for the plane at the time of creation (such as making the Feywild a haven for wildlife and fey creatures, or in making the Plane of Fire full of heat and fire), the actual features of the plane must be established using Actions and PP.
Important: Once a plane has been created, any and all gods are entitled to help shape it if they so choose, though any and all gods should ideally support the pre-established theme.
Edit Alter - X PP
The Alter action is unique in that it does not do anything by itself. Rather, it allows a god to change one thing into something else. A god may use this action to turn Elves into Eladrin, stones into Dwarves, or human into apes. It can also modify Artifacts and Exarchs.
The PP cost for this action is determined by what the final product of the action is. The cost is the full PP expenditure as the resulting object if it had been made with any other action. For example, turning stones into Dwarves would cost 3PP, as it costs 3PP to Shape a populace. To turn humans into dire apes would require 2PP, the same as if the Dire Apes were Spawned independently.
Edit Other Considerations
This action is primarily for fluff purposes; elves and eladrin are not related unless one was created from the other using this action.
Camu, Spawns are now a flat 2 PP. I'll let it slide this time around, but just reminding you
Argus, on a purely personal request, if you're affecting two different groups with two uses of the same command, can you list them on separate lines? I caught it this time, but I might not be so... awake... in the future!
Shadow, I again voice my displeasure at you saving up all that PP from last week
Veok, Shapes are 4 PP, but you had an extra PP, so I just fixed it for you. Also, nice pulling from DF. I'll be sure to send a few bits of bitumous coal your way.
Are the forums running really slow and odd for other people, or is it just me? Its taking about 45 seconds to open up a page.
Time_Lord, to be fair, I'm not sure a butterfly would much care which way gravity was going... air is air whether its going up or down
Now... landing... thats a different matter!I'm not sure if this is really kosher game etiquette, but I was hoping to create dragons in this game. Eventually Dloz is going to alter the wyrm he created to become the first dragons.
Time_Lord, to be fair, I'm not sure a butterfly would much care which way gravity was going... air is air whether its going up or down
I suppose so. I figured that part of flight is dependent on there being an up and a down. Messing those up would probably disorient the butterflies.
I just find it amusing that my god is spending his time playing with butterflies. lol
But only Chromatic Dragons. This invasion by Angel has put them on the backburner now. They live in the Sea of Daj. They're made on 3/26, if you want to find the post.
Hey! *I* made some dragons!
But only Chromatic Dragons. This invasion by Angel has put them on the backburner now. They live in the Sea of Daj. They're made on 3/26, if you want to find the post.
Okay. I figured no one had made dragons because I didn't find them in the wiki. I'm not sure if the dragons I imagined are different then Chromatic ones.
The PP expenditures page (link on front page of wiki) is up to date... the wiki proper... isn't, sadly.
I can't get on that site again, but I'll figure something out. Could I share what my idea for my dragons was going to be to check that I'm not stepping on anyone's toes?
Edit: The dragons' society would be controlled by oracles that attempt to predict the actions their god (Dloz) is going to take.
Sounds good, and no, I dont think anyone has
Is the "sounds good" about the dragons or the crabs?
Well to be fair, the norm on the world itself was never really set. That is, we have a few alternate-gas producing ecosystems, but they cover only a small portion of the world. The other ecosystems that have been established appear more real-world; while what sort of gas exchange they work with hasn't been stated, I'd assume the same as one would expect. That is, it seems reasonable to say that the world has at least some regions that are predominately oxygen-carbon.
To the best of my knowledge, no one has touched anything inregards to ecosystems since the Arsenic / whatever happened. Ergo, it can either be assumed that everything since has followed in conforming to it, or everything that has happened since that didn't specifically mention it defaulted to an oxy/carbon.
I think the latter makes for less-interesting world-building, don't you?
Third one I've made
This would probably be a predominately oxygen based world, with outposts of arsenic producing places (although with enough oxygen getting in that one wont suffocate within just a few moments, but aresnic poisoning would be a major concern). Does anyone have any objections?
TimeLord, to that end I was going to see about taking the Life domain. However, you had said you were interested in it as well. Would you be willing to share the domain?
Shadow, to note, I wasn't saying that the world was primarily oxygen based, just that it makes sense for normal plants to produce gasses normally, so that one could assume (but didn't need to) that the world was oxygen based.
EDIT:
Topheh: Did you notice that there are gnomes that are being brought to see the rulers of Niganati?
Camu: I am a little confused as to where your creatures are moving to. The "western sea" is still mostly surrounded by the continent (it is where the dark watery spot on the maps are). Are your creatures moving there, or into the ocean that surrounds the continent?
Argus: Just thought I'd point out that the Embrins you have near Dragon's head peninsula have a gnomish army heading their way.
Topheh: Did you notice that there are gnomes that are being brought to see the rulers of Niganati?
Did *you* notice that Niganati is currently being Sieged by Angel's Kebens?
Before I go back an edit those posts, are there any actual plans for the siege? The kebens marched on Niganati about a month ago, but little has happened in those regards since.
And yes... I wonder where Angel has gotten off to.
As for the Arsenic/Oxygen debate... to me the debate comes down to... do we want to make random places on the world off limits, and deal with the fact that all of these gasses aren't exactly going to be hanging around where they are produced and will eventually lead to a sort of brakish environment that will likely be poisonous for everyone involved. OR do we want to have a mystical other world where you need a special magic to breathe, but the rest of the world is perfectly fine, but brave adventurers of both worlds sometimes go exploring, bringing back strange and exotic delicacies from beyond the poison-air?
I like the latter
Camu: I am a little confused as to where your creatures are moving to. The "western sea" is still mostly surrounded by the continent (it is where the dark watery spot on the maps are). Are your creatures moving there, or into the ocean that surrounds the continent?
Well just the seas west of the continent, including the "western sea" (if that makes sense
)The embrins' trump card, I was thinking, is going to be a new and very deadly strain of Tirbana coming into being (swordwings). Is that too overpowering? If so, do you think letting your gnomes be subjugated would make their history more colorful, or do you think I should drop the swordwings and let the gnomes beat off the attackers? In the latter case, I'd like there to be SOME lasting consequence at least...
I am good if you want swordwings, although as it stands the gnomes wont be easy to conquer. I could be wrong, but I think they have the only formally trained military in the world, so in an actual fight they'd win unless there were impressive disadvantages of numbers. In a defensive war, they live mostly behind strong walls and I don't think siege tech has actually been invented yet, so they'd be a tough nut to crack.
Of course, the gnomes live in two different geographic regions, so if you want to actually conquer one (the dragon's head area seems to be where you are aiming), that could still work, I'd just ask that both areas not be conquered.
TimeLord, to that end I was going to see about taking the Life domain. However, you had said you were interested in it as well. Would you be willing to share the domain?
That's fine. I'm not that interested in that domain anymore. I'm actually now striving towards getting the Disease domain. I thought viruses would be something Dloz would enjoy using since they can alter life at the genetic level.
Edit: I'm TimePal on the game's Wiki.
The psurlons are the ones with the pod-people infiltration powers. Tirbanas are more like Alien. The Embrin have been using the tirbanas to sabatoge gnome agriculture by letting them hunt gnome farmers and villagers, and now they're using the newborn tirbanas (including swordwings) to supplement their own forces.
Ah, sorry. Got them mixed up. Still, if you want to take over some gnomish lands, that could still work well. The gnomes win a "victory," find sick gnomes who have been infested by tirbana young (since it looks like they repoduce by young infesting the brains of others). Take them into the city for treatment, then a few days later tirbanas/swordswings burst out and attack the city from the inside. Gets around the problem of taking a fortified position.
Unless they then raze the city, they'd have a nice stronghold to prevent further gnomish armies from outsing them, creating a nation for them to be at constant warfare with.
Thoughts?
I'll post tomorrow morning, I swear.
So... I'm going to be running a Play-by-Chat DnD session through some parts of GoE. I think we've done a great job this time around in our descriptions of places, and I'm eager to run through it.
So we'll say tomorrow at 1 PM EST in the chat, we'll have some fun. Level 5 characters with 1 level 7, 1 level 6 and 1 level 5 piece of magical equiptment for funsies. If a lot of people show up, we'll have fun... if only a few show up, we'll still have fun
There are a few in this thread, Time_Lord.
Great. Thanks.
We has maps!
Is the brown blob in the center the Garden of the Gods?
Edit: Apparently the map doesn't want to show up in the quote...
Its my plan now that I've finished my qualifying exam to update the map appropriately. Expect that soon.
Also, delaying the game tomorrow till 1 PM PST. Have some stuff in the morning to take care of.
This way, they can be completed at roughly the same turn
Shadow, where are these gnoll raids happening, out of curiosity? Also, did you mean to say that the gnome's reactions to the gnoll raids were insufficient, rather than that they ignored them? The gnomes established patrols to prevent attacks on the caravans and there are berserkers who dispense vigilantie justice
Time_lord, to note, creating a mountain/island would actually just be a mold minor action (1PP). A mold moderate would be for creating a mountain range or archepeligo would be a moderate action (2PP).
I wasn't sure. The rules are kind of vague on raising a mountain from the ocean, so I was being cautious. I'll go fix that. Thanks.
Why the hell would you make Eos trip like that? From my perspective, it's an incredibly cheap shot at the character for no apparant reason.
EDIT: And it is deleted now.
The irony of Timelord's last two posts is not lost on me.
If you're talking about the whole change thing that Dloz keeps talking about, I meant that for Dloz's dragons. For awhile I was planning that they would be a sort of menace for the world, since they're mindless predators. But now I'm planning to do the virus thing instead. That should be starting soon on a side note.
Edit: I was thinking of having Dloz's virus have a 25% fatality rate. If that's too much let me know and I'll edit my post where Dloz creates the virus.
The disconnect here was that it was not readily obvious (to me, anyway) that the gnomes were behind it. The way I understood it, it was sourceless clumsiness, which is why I thought it a cheap shot.
Ah, sorry about that. It made perfect sense to me, but then, I was in on what I was trying to do. The only real hint I had in the text itself was the gnomes smirking, and the vagueness as to the cause of the trip, so in reflection, it would have been odder if you had noticed that. Very sorry. Anywho, I will endeavor to be clearer about gnomish maltrickery in the future
How It's Spread: The leaking-stop is spread either by a plague wasp's sting or by blood*.
Incubation Time: 4 Hours
Stage 1 Symptoms: headache, fever
Stage 2 Symptoms (4 hours after incubation): vomiting, lesions
Stage 3 Symptoms (4 hours after stage 2 symptoms): bleeding through skin
Stage 4 Symptoms (4 hours after stage 3 symptoms): death
Fatality Rate: 25% (I can change this though if it's too high.)
* - Or whatever equivalent bodily fluid the creature has.
The irony of Timelord's last two posts is not lost on me.
If you're talking about the whole change thing that Dloz keeps talking about, I meant that for Dloz's dragons. For awhile I was planning that they would be a sort of menace for the world, since they're mindless predators. But now I'm planning to do the virus thing instead. That should be starting soon on a side note.
Edit: I was thinking of having Dloz's virus have a 25% fatality rate. If that's too much let me know and I'll edit my post where Dloz creates the virus.
Nah, I was specifically referring to Dloz's attitude towards Change and a Catalyst. It is nearly the same thing my goddess was talking about in week 1.
So, TL, what you're saying is that the disease goes from a perfectly healthy human to dead in 12 hours? Thats... scary. How spreadable is it? At what stage is it too late for survival? is it that 1/4 are suceptible?
See... You just threw a disease model at me and now I'm being a nerd and trying to figure out its dynamics. LOOK WHAT YOU HAVE DONE!
You gonna Excise him now too? :P
So, TL, what you're saying is that the disease goes from a perfectly healthy human to dead in 12 hours? Thats... scary. How spreadable is it? At what stage is it too late for survival? is it that 1/4 are suceptible?
See... You just threw a disease model at me and now I'm being a nerd and trying to figure out its dynamics. LOOK WHAT YOU HAVE DONE!
Not only is he a nerd, he's a *biologist* nerd. You opened both of Pandora's boxes.
You gonna Excise him now too? :P
So, TL, what you're saying is that the disease goes from a perfectly healthy human to dead in 12 hours? Thats... scary. How spreadable is it? At what stage is it too late for survival? is it that 1/4 are suceptible?
See... You just threw a disease model at me and now I'm being a nerd and trying to figure out its dynamics. LOOK WHAT YOU HAVE DONE!
It only spreads through the infected patient's blood, so as long as a person doesn't touch the blood they can't get it. But in addition to coming into contact with the blood it has to get into their blood stream. Unless a plague wasp stings them, that's the only other way of getting it. That way is guaranteed to infect a person, because Dloz created the wasps for that purpose. Their stings inject a venom that's essentially a concentrated sample of the virus.
A patient could get to stage three symptoms and survive. It's just 25% of those that get infected die. Hope that helps.
Nah, I was specifically referring to Dloz's attitude towards Change and a Catalyst. It is nearly the same thing my goddess was talking about in week 1.
Yeah. Actually I didn't think of that until now. It's more coincidence than anything else. lol
Okay. Fantasy world. Cut it out, Toph!
*takes one pandora's box and jams it over the other box*
Okay. That should contain it.
Oh, sure. Its just that in real life, diseases with fast turnover...-
Don't spread quickly? Yeah... But usually they don't have winged crustaceans spreading the disease.
1. Is it okay for me to roleplay a gnome village for the whole plague thing?
2. The gnomes aren't on the moon, right? (I would check the wiki, but for some reason it doesn't like me all the time.)
1) there are two main populations of gnomes, who are separated by the western sea. The majority of them are in the west, across the sea, but there are some near the river of sand/sea of daj.
2) I'm flavoring gnomes as being tricksters, yes, but also as being greatly concerned with details and order.
Not that you have to necessarily include any of that information, I just thought it might be useful.
And yes, there are no gnomes on the moon.
...
But, I hear that there is a jadoon platoon on the moon :P
Of course. There are just two things you might want to keep in mind:
1) there are two main populations of gnomes, who are separated by the western sea. The majority of them are in the west, across the sea, but there are some near the river of sand/sea of daj.
2) I'm flavoring gnomes as being tricksters, yes, but also as being greatly concerned with details and order.
Not that you have to necessarily include any of that information, I just thought it might be useful.
And yes, there are no gnomes on the moon.
...
But, I hear that there is a jadoon platoon on the moon :P
First, do they have a hospital? :P
I'm not going to roleplay the gnomes too much. Just enough to give the impression that Dloz's plague has begun to spread amongst the mortals.
The gnomes? Not yet.
The Jadoon Platoon on the Moon? They might.
The gnomes? Not yet.
I meant the jadoon. lol
TimeLord, it was originally named Glasglaw, although I have become partial to Glisglaw
TimeLord, it was originally named Glasglaw, although I have become partial to Glisglaw
Okay. Thanks. I'll edit my posts so they use that instead what I've been using. I have another question. Would it be okay if I hit the caravan of gnomes in the Sea of Daj with a swarm of plague wasps? I'm trying to show that this plague is spreading across the world and I'm kind of grasping at straws on how to do that. Ideally I would like to involve other players in the whole plague thing too.
If you really wanted to, I would be fine if you even hit one of the cities with a harm action because of the plague. Gives me stuff to react to ;)
Of course, feel free.
If you really wanted to, I would be fine if you even hit one of the cities with a harm action because of the plague. Gives me stuff to react to ;)
Do I have to do another one? The last harm action was a general attack on the mortals. I'm just trying to roleplay the plague now.
Yeah, I'm done.
I wasn't responding to that 2-month old post. Responding implies that said 2-month old post gave any sort of room for responding. It didn't, so I didn't feel the need to address the issue until I felt it necessary.
I don't--
Okay, then.
To reiterate, they fled the city to avoid being tried and found guilty (correctly) of murder.
I think Thought's post made it clear that most of the Ashborn remain as murderous as before, but perhaps some of them have had a change of heart ever since being stripped of their Embrin-ness and thrown out of the city to wander the desert for however long its been. If some real-life muderers feel remorse and wish to make amends, why not fantastical murderers?
Command wars! The Nourish wars of GoE!
But yes, they weren't brought back for atonement. They were brought back for murder. Not only do the gnomes get them back into Niganati, they also help them do what they like best, murdering. Thanks for making them assassins, by the way: I was heading in that direction myself.
Who they were to be murdering was to include Naga, Gnomes, and Embrin.
Also, to note, you keep misrepresenting the gnomes. I stated when they were created, and several times since, that they are meticulous.
Yes, this is turning into command wars: to note, however, I am generally not trying to negate your actions but rather to spin them. I refrained from saying that the Ashborn didn't run amok, for example, and instead used that as a diversion for a different and separate action. Although, since you directly negated that action, I couldn't get away without negating a portion of yours, though I tried to keep it to a minimum and leave most of it intact.
However, there is a reason for this: as long as you keep misrepresenting the gnomes, I have to try to take your misrepresentation and spin it so that the flavor of the gnomes remains intact. You are quite welcome to oppose the gnomes, but please do so in a manner that is consistent with the flavor of the gnomes and of the Embrin. Which is to say, as long as the Embrin try to out-deceive the gnomes based on the gnomes being shoddy and hasty in their actions, that is going to fail. Especially when this is done with no real justification (why does illusion magic not work right in Niganati? Seems strange since magic is Pamora's, not Isura's, domain and the Embrin undertook no action to do this).
Edit: And, of course, if you feel that in some way my interpretations of established Embrin flavor is off the mark as well, please let me know and I'll try to correct it.
Veok, there is no reason to assume that the Ashborn are antisocial. While before any actions were taken there may not have been any reason for the Ashborn to work with anyone, there also were no reasons for them to not work with anyone. They were given reason to work with the Gnomes by being smuggled back in. Their unwillingness to work with them is an odder occurrence, but one that has now been dealt with.
If I am misrepresenting the gnomes, it is only because you are also misrepresenting the Embrin as well; It's not a matter of unwillingness to work with them, it's an unwillingness to work under them. You seem to continuously cast the Embrin as a race of bumblers not intelligent enough to keep up with the gnomes.
But yes, they weren't brought back for atonement. They were brought back for murder. Not only do the gnomes get them back into Niganati, they also help them do what they like best, murdering. Thanks for making them assassins, by the way: I was heading in that direction myself.
Who they were to be murdering was to include Naga, Gnomes, and Embrin.
Right, but don't forget that Angel originally formed the Fire Brigade as a band of xenophobic Embrin, in reponse to the xenophobic naga. From my perspective, you're treating the Ashborn as murderers who like to murder, not murderers with an agenda -- securing Embrin dominance of Niganati by any means possible.
Also, to note, you keep misrepresenting the gnomes. I stated when they were created, and several times since, that they are meticulous.
Just because they're meticulous doesn't make them infallible. The way I've read the character of the gnome race on the whole is that of confidence. They know they can succeed, and so they go out of their way to make sure they will succeed.
However, your primary point is well taken. I will attempt to bring more meticulity to gnomes in future points
Yes, this is turning into command wars: to note, however, I am generally not trying to negate your actions but rather to spin them. I refrained from saying that the Ashborn didn't run amok, for example, and instead used that as a diversion for a different and separate action. Although, since you directly negated that action, I couldn't get away without negating a portion of yours, though I tried to keep it to a minimum and leave most of it intact.
The problem here, Thought, is that with your spinning, even though it is a separate action, it completely undermines the intent of my action in the first place. I still have not heard any compelling evidence or reason for the xenophobic fire brigade turned Ashborn to support anyone in Niganati. Likewise, my action to imply that the gnome's plan became flawed due to their reliance on illusion was turned into "all part of the plan" when you exempted the gnomes from the difficulties with illusion magic.
I feel like every action I take regarding Niganati is either pushed through, or brushed away as "all part of the plan", and as a player, that is extremely frustrating to me. You even did this with the army Toph and I were routing.
However, there is a reason for this: as long as you keep misrepresenting the gnomes, I have to try to take your misrepresentation and spin it so that the flavor of the gnomes remains intact. You are quite welcome to oppose the gnomes, but please do so in a manner that is consistent with the flavor of the gnomes and of the Embrin. Which is to say, as long as the Embrin try to out-deceive the gnomes based on the gnomes being shoddy and hasty in their actions, that is going to fail. Especially when this is done with no real justification (why does illusion magic not work right in Niganati? Seems strange since magic is Pamora's, not Isura's, domain and the Embrin undertook no action to do this).
As I alluded to before, I'm taking these actions precisely because I feel the Embrin are being misrepresented as well. It's not that the gnomes aren't meticulous, it's the fact that they are trying to use the Embrin at all. As long as the gnomes try to turn the Ashborn against the Embrin based on the Embrin having mördlust and carrying petty grievances, they're going to fail.
Regarding magic, it's not that magic itself is altered, but that Isura herself is within the city, seeking to create as much strife as possible (and the local populace becoming aware of an unmentioned government cover-up of the Salamanders definitely qualifies). Isura has personally invested into the city -- remember, her Avatar was within the caverns not too long ago -- and wants to see the Queen succeed at her coup. The gnomes have allied themselves with the Pharaoh, which puts them at odds with the Queen and Isura herself, very much so directly.
From my perspective, the gnomes showed up in Niganati, negated the visible effects of the Salamander curse. When I made an effort to alter the curse so that the gnomes were less successful at covering it up, the gnomes suddenly had illusions that were "immune" to Isura's will, and those that were failing were intentional. When the Naga/Embrin forces soundly split the Keben host in two, victory was insured... except when the Keben came back, with the Jzakai, and made the battle a less decisive victory. When the gnomes recruited the exiled Ashborn, the Ashborn proved less-than-perfect spies, relishing the chance to slay Naga exclusively... except that rebellion wasn't real either, and the real spies were utterly loyal to their gnome masters (which would never happen for cultural reasons -- and if you say it did, then you are misrepresenting the Embrin.
Admittedly, this is more interesting than a nourish war, but I still feel like I'm beating my head against the wall with you, Thought.
What Gnomish victory over the Keben are you referring to?
Again, I feel it's a cheap shot to directly counter a statement made by one of my characters (Eos) by implying her intelligence is low. There's a spellcaster in the room with her? Really? A report regarding 50 Embrin spellcasters had just been read? Really?
You're retroactively changing events to cast Eos in a bad light... again.
Penultimately, there's more to being a leader than simply being able to best others in single combat.
And also, you keep mentioning that the Ashborn were exiled by the rest of the Embrin.
You are mistaken, as per the original post creating them:
community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/758...
Regardless, lets try and get back to having (more) fun here. I mean, I'm giving you guys my prized nation to rip into four parts here (Pharoah (and followers) and Gnomes, Queen (and followers) and Embrin, Salamanders and their Cult, and the Cult of Meterology, which will eventually become Medusas.) Lets keep working towards that... we're doing a great, and very interesting job so far!
In summary: Lets assume our leaders are competent, our mages are spell-worthy, the Keben are gone (I really don't want to RP both fleeing from Niganati AND fighting through a waiting Keben horde. If Angel returns, I welcome him to bring them back, just... four groups and three races is more than enough for us to handle without adding another one or two!) and tensions are flaring. We can badmouth the 'imbicilic Eos' to the Pharoah and the 'Boorheaded lout of a King' to Eos
Incidentally, when the Queen goes to talk to the Pharoah is when all of this is going to hit the fan, so... lets drag it out a little bit longer and then I'll do the post that sends everything splintering. I still need a little bit of time to get the Cult flavored properly... if people want to help me drive the Salamanders to them, that would be ideal.
Edit: Oh, and the Gnomish victory happened a while back when they broke a supply line through the Keben horde and secured it from future incursions about a week and a half to two weeks ago.
Oh right. Itropi's going mad, too. Lets see how much more insanity we can bring to this thing :P
Oh right. Itropi's going mad, too. Lets see how much more insanity we can bring to this thing :P
I have an idea!
Regarding Eos and Embrin Magic Users
Regarding spellcasters, there are two bits of information that seem to be contended here. The first is the general reaction of the servants and guards to Eos' statement, and the second is the report of the number of Embrin spellcasters. To address the former first:
Eos stated that she knows of no Embrin spellcasters. There was just a trial that showed that there are Embrin spellcasters. Since as of yet no evidence has been given that there was deception, there is no reason for the servants or guards to discount that trial. Thus, Eos' statement is an odd one. Either she is saying that she wasn't aware of these seeming-Embrin who were spellcasters, or she denies that they were spellcasters but she currently lacks any justification (indeed, why does she even think the gnomes are behind it? What cause does she have?). Therefore, in the eyes of any reasonable individual, she either was ignorant of these "Embrin" (and since they were not actually Embrin, indeed she was) or she is denying the seeming reality of the situation (that these "Embrin" were magic users, which since proof of it was given, denies what the facts appear to be).
The second point, that of the report, may just be the result of me misunderstanding the situation. I agree, Toph, that Veok has been very consistent in that the Embrin have little magical talent. However, perhaps I should have been understanding this to mean that they actually have no magical talent? That there is not a single Embrin spellcaster? I had assumed that there were magic users, but just very very few and even those weren't very good. There is a second aspect of the report that might be objected to, that of its number: I had thought that 50 would be quite small for the Embrin in Niganati, barely enough to show that they were capable of magic use rather than just more trickery, but perhaps this is more significant to the population levels than I thought?
I am happy to remove the report from my post -- it was just to serve to underline the oddity of Eos' statement, which remains without it. However, there is still the question of if there are any Embrin magic users at all. I had thought that there was, but is seems that this is incorrect?
Regarding spellcasters, there are two bits of information that seem to be contended here. The first is the general reaction of the servants and guards to Eos' statement, and the second is the report of the number of Embrin spellcasters. To address the former first:
Eos stated that she knows of no Embrin spellcasters. There was just a trial that showed that there are Embrin spellcasters. Since as of yet no evidence has been given that there was deception, there is no reason for the servants or guards to discount that trial. Thus, Eos' statement is an odd one. Either she is saying that she wasn't aware of these seeming-Embrin who were spellcasters, or she denies that they were spellcasters but she currently lacks any justification (indeed, why does she even think the gnomes are behind it? What cause does she have?). Therefore, in the eyes of any reasonable individual, she either was ignorant of these "Embrin" (and since they were not actually Embrin, indeed she was) or she is denying the seeming reality of the situation (that these "Embrin" were magic users, which since proof of it was given, denies what the facts appear to be).
The second point, that of the report, may just be the result of me misunderstanding the situation. I agree, Toph, that Veok has been very consistent in that the Embrin have little magical talent. However, perhaps I should have been understanding this to mean that they actually have no magical talent? That there is not a single Embrin spellcaster? I had assumed that there were magic users, but just very very few and even those weren't very good. There is a second aspect of the report that might be objected to, that of its number: I had thought that 50 would be quite small for the Embrin in Niganati, barely enough to show that they were capable of magic use rather than just more trickery, but perhaps this is more significant to the population levels than I thought?
I am happy to remove the report from my post -- it was just to serve to underline the oddity of Eos' statement, which remains without it. However, there is still the question of if there are any Embrin magic users at all. I had thought that there was, but is seems that this is incorrect?
Re: The Deception Becoming Discovered
- That's what I was trying to do when I indicated when I said, and I quote: "llusion magic within the walls of Niganati becomes unpredictable at best" That was open invitation for the deceptive spells to fail, revealing the ruse for what it is. The attribution that the incidents occured more often near open fire or light was a subtle implication that Isura herself was behind it. Your response, however, was:
So no longer is the deception going to fail unexpectedly, as per my intent, but rather, the failing of the illusions happened on the gnomes terms. Suddenly, there was no gradiant of failure: the gnomes were effortlessly getting their way despite the hurdle Isura had placed in front of them. How did I not give you a chance for them to succeed at all?
Nowhere in there do I outright state that the gnomish illusions fail. Unpredictable? Yes. Fail? No.
Upon a second reading of this paragraph, it occurs that the intent of the last sentences may have been misunderstood. "Tryin, and failing utterly" does not refer to the illusion spells at all, but rather attempting to keep the public from learning about the Salamanders that now walk among them (which Toph is building up separately with his "Cult of the Salamander").
Only those whose loyalty was so dubious were given the shoddy enchantments and allowed to be exposed. When they were easily discovered... well, again, it distracted the populous from the real trick. The gnomes were, admittedly, befuddled about the sudden shift in illusionary magic within Niganati, but whatever caused it could not match illusions produced by prayers to the god of magic, Pamora."
So no longer is the deception going to fail unexpectedly, as per my intent, but rather, the failing of the illusions happened on the gnomes terms. Suddenly, there was no gradiant of failure: the gnomes were effortlessly getting their way despite the hurdle Isura had placed in front of them. How did I not give you a chance for them to succeed at all?
For their part, the gnome's illusion magics were only marginally effective. Never mind the fact that some of the Pharaoh's servants liked their new form, and refused to let the gnomes cloak them at all, within a few days it readily became apparent that illusion magic in Niganati behaved... oddly. It seemed to sputter, and flicker unsteadily, regardless of how much energy the gnomish casters poured into it, and this effect was more clearly apparent then either the gnomes or the Pharaoh wished. Between the protestors who refused to submit to illusions, and the tempestuous nature of the veiling spells themselves, it was glaringly obvious that the Pharaoh was trying to downplay the existence of the Salamanders. Trying, and failing utterly. The populace began to whisper, though nothing was ever directly mentioned to the Pharaoh.
Nowhere in there do I outright state that the gnomish illusions fail. Unpredictable? Yes. Fail? No.
Upon a second reading of this paragraph, it occurs that the intent of the last sentences may have been misunderstood. "Tryin, and failing utterly" does not refer to the illusion spells at all, but rather attempting to keep the public from learning about the Salamanders that now walk among them (which Toph is building up separately with his "Cult of the Salamander").
Anywho, assuming that there is no way the gnomes can have a lasting alliance with the Ashborn, might I suggest that the association remains for about a week, during which time an up-and-coming Ashborn gathers enough power to legitimately take command from the gnomes?
As for the trial, might I suggest some avenues for the Embrin to investigate so as to try to actually uncover something? The gnomes appeared as Embrin for the trial (and performed magic as such). Specifically, they appeared in the form that they crafted after REAL Embrin, so that the bodies could be used later. While it was clear that the gnome-Embrin appeared as Emrbin, and that they performed magic, but while it is possible that they could behave like Embrin, it is far less likely that they'd be able to behave like Bob the Embrin (that is, individual Embrin who are known on a personal level by others). Additionally, there is that troubling business about the items that the gnomes were wearing during the trial that granted the illusion but which were absent from the bodies themselves. Of course, one might wonder in general what would happen if an Ashborn's item was stolen or lost in an accident.
Generally, regarding the rest, it seems we've both said our pieces. However, there were three points that seemed to need special attention:
Eos has enough circumstantial evidence to convince her that something is very, very wrong with the politics of the city, and her hunch lies solely on the gnomes.
Ah, sorry. Eos said it with such force I thought you were saying she knew, rather than thought.
I found this sentence humorous. Our races, then, are more similar than you perhaps realize.
Actually, that wasn't entirely unintentional. That is, I don't mean for the Gnomes to be Embrin version 2.0, but I added their organizational flavor in part because the most wide spread population at the time, the Embrin, were chaotic. The other part was that it seemed like we needed a race specifically trying to create a full civilization. Planting fields, creating cities, exploring, sailing, that sort of thing.
We get it. [s]The gnomes are the smartest beings in existence.
Mighgt I suggest that if you want the intelligence of the Embrin to be respected, show their intelligence a little respect yourself? I think your note about divine intervention is quite poignant here. There have been two cases now of deception that the Embrin only discovered through divine intervention. It seems not even you trust them to figure things out on their own.
downplay the existence of the Salamanders. Trying, and failing utterly.
Mighgt I suggest that if you want the intelligence of the Embrin to be respected, show their intelligence a little respect yourself? I think your note about divine intervention is quite poiniant here. There have been two cases now of deception that the Embrin only discovered through divine intervention. It seems not even you trust them to figure things out on their own.
Mighgt I suggest that if you want the intelligence of the Embrin to be respected, show their intelligence a little respect yourself? I think your note about divine intervention is quite poiniant here. There have been two cases now of deception that the Embrin only discovered through divine intervention. It seems not even you trust them to figure things out on their own.
downplay the existence of the Salamanders. Trying, and failing utterly.
Mighgt I suggest that if you want the intelligence of the Embrin to be respected, show their intelligence a little respect yourself? I think your note about divine intervention is quite poiniant here. There have been two cases now of deception that the Embrin only discovered through divine intervention. It seems not even you trust them to figure things out on their own.
Mighgt I suggest that if you want the intelligence of the Embrin to be respected, show their intelligence a little respect yourself? I think your note about divine intervention is quite poiniant here. There have been two cases now of deception that the Embrin only discovered through divine intervention. It seems not even you trust them to figure things out on their own.
downplay the existence of the Salamanders. Trying, and failing utterly.
I'd like to get a list of favorite LoC memories from people. Maybe 5 to 10 things... and I'd prefer if half of them (at least) were things you, personally had done.
I've been asking in the chat, but I realize that a lot of people don't go on there:
Toph liked: The Reaper (WW), The Bahenet (WW), Terena (AR), Casaka (LV), Children of the Aether (AR). Thats five. For ten, add... The Library(AR), The Rods of Yew and Obsidian (LV), the leadup to the Warp, particularly me and Ara sending across messenger souls(WW), oh... what was their name. The race with the multiple personalities. (LV). Itja-Rek as a whole.
22:44 Thought For Five: The WanderWay, the Halflings of Galara (namely the three kinds of halflings, with their traveling/floating cities), Despair, Titan's Glacier, and probably the general concept of aether (though not every part of its actual implementation)
22:48 Thought For ten, add Gadabout, the Aasimari of Galara, the Forest of Flesh, early Harkon, and the Drahken (with the Mazunti coming in 11th, but only because they lacked a well defined culture)
2:08 Mechalibur 5. Dobbits (WW), 4. Stars (LV), 3. Eorna(AR), 2. Arms of Tireas (GoE), 1. Humites (AR)
22:18 ff6shadow x) Creating an exarch to embody all of my domains
22:19 ff6shadow x) Terena, and events surrounding it not involved in nourish wars
22:19 ff6shadow x) Gadabout and the Wanderway
22:19 ff6shadow x) Galara interactions between orcs and aasimar's (particuarly orcs in general, in that one)
22:20 ff6shadow x) The hollow nature of one world even if it was never fully utilized
22:20 ff6shadow x) Nixis's library
What were yours?
I think the take-away from all this is that you are opposed to the Ashborn ever associating with the Gnomes, is that correct? Is that because of what it might say about the Embrin, or you have plans for the Ashborn?
Not at all; I say once again, all I wish is for some valid reason for the Ashborn to be loyal to the gnomes. Beating them in single combat doesn't cut it by itself in my book.
We get it. [s]The gnomes are the smartest beings in existence.
Mighgt I suggest that if you want the intelligence of the Embrin to be respected, show their intelligence a little respect yourself? I think your note about divine intervention is quite poignant here. There have been two cases now of deception that the Embrin only discovered through divine intervention. It seems not even you trust them to figure things out on their own.
Please forgive the sarcasm (which the [s] tags were meant to denote). It does me no service.
That aside, I have tried! It's not that the Embrin were too ineffectual to discover those behind the Fire Brigade, but that the Fire Brigade was that good at hiding it in the first place.
And again, more recently, where my post talked of the Ashborn learning from the gnomes to better themselves, then using those very skills against them (which you then subverted as being 'all part of the plan') Attempting to use your enemy's strength against them is one of the most common hallmarks of intellect, is it not?
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Let's see.
I liked The Light Fantastic, the Sculptor / Silent One interaction, the concept of Syreene|Sonnet (on the whole, that affair was soured by the dwindling of my time spent on the game such that Syreene became the dominant personality by far. But I digress), the ending of Lightvoid, and the Warped Court.
downplay the existence of the Salamanders. Trying, and failing utterly.
Mighgt I suggest that if you want the intelligence of the Embrin to be respected, show their intelligence a little respect yourself? I think your note about divine intervention is quite poiniant here. There have been two cases now of deception that the Embrin only discovered through divine intervention. It seems not even you trust them to figure things out on their own.
Mighgt I suggest that if you want the intelligence of the Embrin to be respected, show their intelligence a little respect yourself? I think your note about divine intervention is quite poiniant here. There have been two cases now of deception that the Embrin only discovered through divine intervention. It seems not even you trust them to figure things out on their own.
downplay the existence of the Salamanders. Trying, and failing utterly.
Mighgt I suggest that if you want the intelligence of the Embrin to be respected, show their intelligence a little respect yourself? I think your note about divine intervention is quite poiniant here. There have been two cases now of deception that the Embrin only discovered through divine intervention. It seems not even you trust them to figure things out on their own.
Mighgt I suggest that if you want the intelligence of the Embrin to be respected, show their intelligence a little respect yourself? I think your note about divine intervention is quite poiniant here. There have been two cases now of deception that the Embrin only discovered through divine intervention. It seems not even you trust them to figure things out on their own.
downplay the existence of the Salamanders. Trying, and failing utterly.
Not at all; I say once again, all I wish is for some valid reason for the Ashborn to be loyal to the gnomes. Beating them in single combat doesn't cut it by itself in my book.
The assasings guild had been lead to think that:
their ultimate goal is rooting out the evil elements among the Gnomes, Embrin, and Naga that undermine the welfare of the Embrin themselves.
Indeed, the Twins first presented the idea of using the Ashborn to the Pharaoh in terms of coopting the Ashborn interests for their own purposes. The gnomes were aiming for ideological unity from the beginning. Since after that you had said that the Embrin (and presumably Ashborn) would never follow an unknown commander, and the gnomes were already establishing themselves as leaders, combat seemed the only qualifier that they hadn't already met.
One of the reasons I suggested the Ashborn would work for the Gnomes, at least for a while, in my last OOC post is that those are the conditions that they were recruited and brought into Niganati. They can then discover that the gnomes have been persecting a specfic point of view, not an objective truth.
Please forgive the sarcasm (which the [s] tags were meant to denote). It does me no service.
Not at all: I have been playing the gnomes as being smarter than the Embrin. Sarcasm or not, there is a grain of truth in it. Though, as indicated, this isn't without reason.
Of course, feel free.
If you really wanted to, I would be fine if you even hit one of the cities with a harm action because of the plague. Gives me stuff to react to ;)
Okay. I'm really thick. I just realized what you meant.
I'm am going to hit Glisglaw with some swarms of plague wasps. I'm not going to pay for another harm action though since I view this as a part of the first general harm action I did. If people disagree, I'll try and come up with something to deal with that. lol
Edit: One of these days I'll start working on Dloz getting the Disease domain, but I'll wait until he's really embraced that. At the moment he's mostly throwing a temper tantrum of sort with the leaking-stop.
Against the wasps that failed to wound them in the first place
Veok, technically I changed the wasps so they aren't so ineffective. I made their stingers strong enough to punch through diamonds, unless that isn't strong enough to hurt the Tarnished. Or that the Tarnished are immortal. I'll admit I don't know much about them.
So I suppose the best the wasps can hope for is to chip off parts of the Clean, which they'll love to no end I am sure.
To my understanding, it isn't that the Tarnish are covered in diamond, but rather that they ARE diamond (and metal, and whatever else). There isn't anything soft and squishy for the wasps to punch through to.
So I suppose the best the wasps can hope for is to chip off parts of the Clean, which they'll love to no end I am sure.
That's unfortunate, but I guess it'll give Dloz something to do to help him earn the Disease domain. Perhaps a gemstone-eating bacterium? (laughs like a super villain)
I'm not sure how much of your action is possible. Toph quarantined the azers / salamanders in his last post.
EDIT: Topheh, if it is useful, I had not intended to indicate that even an Embrin was the one with the knife, much less that this was a gnome in disguise. Davar's faction was behind starting the riots and directing them, but I had actually been shying away from that since it would be a repeat trick. However, if you wanted it to be that way, that is fine. I just thought I should clear that up incase you were under the impression I had meant it that way.
I was hoping during the outbreak of Glisgaw that Dloz would get himself a gnome servant. I was sort of thinking a Spawn sort of set up where a gnome would promise to serve Dloz in exchange to save a lover, family, or etc.
Gnomes are tiny. There. I said it.
Could always be a different knife, a Gnome that jumped really high, or a gnome riding on the shoulders of another gnome :P
@Time_Lord
That almost sounds like an exarch. A spawn wouldn't fit, since you aren't creating a race of monsters. Though just having a mortal "hero" gnome be Dloz's follower wouldn't require any action persay (maybe a cantrip at most). But if you wanted that gnome to actually be able to see Dloz in god-not-just-avatar form, then that would definitely be an exarch.
@Toph
Could always be a different knife, a Gnome that jumped really high, or a gnome riding on the shoulders of another gnome :P
@Time_Lord
That almost sounds like an exarch. A spawn wouldn't fit, since you aren't creating a race of monsters. Though just having a mortal "hero" gnome be Dloz's follower wouldn't require any action persay (maybe a cantrip at most). But if you wanted that gnome to actually be able to see Dloz in god-not-just-avatar form, then that would definitely be an exarch.
When I said Spawn I meant the superhero. So it would be a blessed mortal hero who is granted a very tiny bit of Dloz's power. He would be a mortal general for Dloz's armies in the future. That mortal would be beneath an exarch in power.
Edit: So I guess the hero would be an "epic" level hero.
Another Edit: Here's a link about Spawn if people want to get super clear idea of what I mean. lol en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spawn_%28comics%29
Name of God: Msatnaph
Starting Domain: Undeath or Fungi
Physical Appearance: Appears as a male elf, but when he becomes angry the elf's flesh begins to rot away. He wears a white robe of silk. When he becomes angry the robe begins to become stained and threadbare also.
Symbol: Skull with Mushrooms Growing on It
Titles: The Life-Giver, The Almighty Spore
Personality/Core Concept: Msatnaph is a megalomaniac. He seeks to gain power by any means necessary, but usually in an aggressavie manner. He also is very two-faced.
Also, to be clearer, the Cult is small... far smaller than the number of Salamanders and Azers... or at least that is how I envisioned it.
Also, while I agree that there would certainly be some confusion and worry, there are many soldiers bodyguards and, above all else, Itropi there. I appreciate your desire to have your Avatar appear, but... too much cowering! :P
Regardless, good to have them on the move... They are, of course, needed in the next phase of things... which gets posted tonight.
And how exciting! New God! Lets have you go with Fungi, as Shadow's planning on claiming undeath this turn. Feel free to start posting after the reset!
Not the best Caretakers, Veok? They more or less worship the Salamanders... the Azers less so, I guess... but still
"I'm scared. I woke up today a different color than I was yesterday. What is happening to me?"
"I worship the ground you walk on!"
"..."
"..."
Worship != good caretakers. ;)
You may... have a point.
~Niganati, Pharoah's Chambers~
It was about one AM, and the screams were beginning to die down as the unprotected were either slain or fled the city. So it was with some surprise that the Pharoah looked up to spot a strange figure, with burnished blonde hair, standing before him.
"How did you get in here? Its impossible!" He cried.
This might seem a wee bit egotistical, but this isn't Dloz, correct?
(Given that your other options are:Avatar: hello, good sir!
Fallen: FHOAIDADHI!H!!!!! *Chomp*
Avatar: Ouch.
Fallen: *Explodes*
and
Avatar: Hello, good sir!
Naga and Embrin struggling to flee the city: What? Get out of the way! *shoves*
Avatar: ?????
) :D
It would be your avatar, yes. You sent someone into the middle of, effectively, a charnel house, and having you wander into the Pharoah's chambers seemed the least implausible of all the various potential scenarios for a good conversation
Avatar: hello, good sir!
Fallen: FHOAIDADHI!H!!!!! *Chomp*
Avatar: Ouch.
Fallen: *Explodes*
and
Avatar: Hello, good sir!
Naga and Embrin struggling to flee the city: What? Get out of the way! *shoves*
Avatar: ?????
) :D
Good point.
Thought, I'm not sure its going to be quite that easy ;) I sank like... 5 PP into those fallen over the course of several weeks. Prepare for A pitched fight! bwhahahaahaah! ;)
Or something like that. Anyways, post coming soon.
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you commanded most the Fallen to leave Niganati and fight the undead outside. :P
Well... regardless, I have thwarted your Deus ex Gnomica for now, Thought! Bwahahaahaha!
But in all seriousness, I would ask that people attempt to spin this in a way so that the prophesies from my dearest orbs, the last prophesies they are going to make that will make any sense as now they are going far from one another, actually are somewhat being fulfilled ;)
Beyond that, lets have a ball.
I had to go searching for that prophecy, so here it is for general reference:
orbings
It cannot be stopped, for the trapped are soon to be loosed from the earth. On a broken throne, the Butcher sits and laughs.
But He, the one of Red, will still bring Peace. Wait for him.
Next to it, written on the Rock of Laments was the following:
Heaven has a darkened face as the horizon swarms with death! A caravan of the cursed, chasing her across the waves.
But He, the one of Red, will still bring Shelter. Wait for Him.
And also the Orb of Order:
You have waited for a sign, and it has been given to you. The red-skinned, among you now. While the storm rages within and without, you will hide in the place where the Gods cried.
But He, the one of Red, will still bring Unity. Wait for Him.
And finally, the Stone of Rejoicing:
But for some, favored children of Gods, this shall pass them over, and they shall be transformed: A halo of snakes awaits! They shall leave home, for they will be shunned by all, but they shall find their way.
But He, the one of Red, will still bring you Home. Wait for Him.
It cannot be stopped, for the trapped are soon to be loosed from the earth. On a broken throne, the Butcher sits and laughs.
But He, the one of Red, will still bring Peace. Wait for him.
Next to it, written on the Rock of Laments was the following:
Heaven has a darkened face as the horizon swarms with death! A caravan of the cursed, chasing her across the waves.
But He, the one of Red, will still bring Shelter. Wait for Him.
And also the Orb of Order:
You have waited for a sign, and it has been given to you. The red-skinned, among you now. While the storm rages within and without, you will hide in the place where the Gods cried.
But He, the one of Red, will still bring Unity. Wait for Him.
And finally, the Stone of Rejoicing:
But for some, favored children of Gods, this shall pass them over, and they shall be transformed: A halo of snakes awaits! They shall leave home, for they will be shunned by all, but they shall find their way.
But He, the one of Red, will still bring you Home. Wait for Him.
I guess what I'm hoping for is that these states will continue until 'the one in red' appears for all of them.
That said, the Pharoah's throne could be a chair in a cell, if people mockingly call it that
Spirit of the law, not... literality ;) Well, Wishing everyone a good weekend. I'm off for a weekend away, and won't be back till sunday or so. Thought, Ara, can one of you handle the reset?
As for reset, I'll see about doing that.
1) Has anyone made pigs in the game?
2) Does anything resembling alchemy exist in the game also?
Pigs fall under the critter clause. If you want to make a ton of pigs go ahead, but I think they basically fall under nourish-critters.
as for alchemy... not really, but yet in a far fetched way it does. If you want a race to learn it though, I think thats a guide action.
that is all.
*crawls back under rock*
*lifts up the rock*
Come out from underneath there. YOu should stop by ore often. Or visit chat occasioally :P
*crawls out from under rock*
Pigs fall under the critter clause. If you want to make a ton of pigs go ahead, but I think they basically fall under nourish-critters.
as for alchemy... not really, but yet in a far fetched way it does. If you want a race to learn it though, I think thats a guide action.
that is all.
*crawls back under rock*
I was sort of wanting to go for the domain, so I was asking in a sort of subtle way.
Practically, I think most people just assume that the world can support life, so they includes whatever they think that requires.
Thus while there are "pigs" in game, these are schrodinger's pigs. That is, they exist for people who handwave such practicallities, but they also do not exist for people who do not so handwave.
So the short answer is, sure, go ahead and make pigs! They don't actually exist yet.
As for alchemy, nope. Nothing has been done with that either.
As for alchemy, nope. Nothing has been done with that either.
Great! If no one objects, I call that. I think it fits with the writing thing.
And yeah, Joran! I tagged you like... a month and a half ago!
I sent an email on it to Thought about a month ago, but I do like reading and keeping up with whats going on.
For the Embrin, the same reason that there are Embrin in any army: community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/758...
Dloz is offering Lucca the same deal that he's offering the Pharaoh.
For Valerius, according to the Pharaoh, he was the one behind the suppression of the riots: community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/758...
For the Embrin, the same reason that there are Embrin in any army: community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/758...
Ah. Then you are probably over-estimating the amount of Embrin in Niganati and not already a part of the Queen's army. Embrin wouldn't switch armies just because a newer, cooler, army showed up (but you would rally the "unemployed" Embrin, as it were).
Side note, there wasn't a good point in my post to include this, but just as a Naga is in controll of the left wing of the army, an Embrin's in control of the right wing (with a Gnome in control of the center wing). I haven't had a chance to develop this yet, but basically the military structure is being based off the Mongols.
EDIT: Also, I reread a few of my last posts and I realized that they have been really dense and opaque. Sorry to all about that, I'll try to be less rambling.
Veok, I last had Valerius heading with the Queen and Eos to the east towards the eastern savannahs.
Righty o. Though, I thought that was why there was no unified Embrin nation in the first place: armies kept splintering as they tried to find a better opportunity for becoming a leader.
Side note, there wasn't a good point in my post to include this, but just as a Naga is in controll of the left wing of the army, an Embrin's in control of the right wing (with a Gnome in control of the center wing). I haven't had a chance to develop this yet, but basically the military structure is being based off the Mongols.
EDIT: Also, I reread a few of my last posts and I realized that they have been really dense and opaque. Sorry to all about that, I'll try to be less rambling.
Well the other problem with your post is that it seems to imply that because the gnomes earned the respect of a few Embrin, the arrived army from gnomish lands with Embrin in their army.
I'm still quite fuzzy in general as to why the gnomish army showed up, and who's involved with it.
The gnomish core of the army is essentially the same as the group who first established the fortress. The Gnome side of it started as a mercenary force and it was funded by merchants who were essentially paying to keep their shipments safe. Davar, being one of the wealthier Gnomes, was a large supporter, but they weren't answerable to him and aren't associated with his faction. Indeed, they aren't associated with any Gnomish city. They are a largely independent entity.
Post is happening... now. SIGNIFICANTLY longer post happening... when I wake up, for I am sleepy!
Dloz technically made a spring of the stuff right in the pharaoh's throne room when he first created chaosplasm. So yeah...
On other news, my computer access this coming week will be spotty. Perfect time to show those gnomes what-for ;)
Shadow requested a little more time for a post, so Reset will be tomorrow afternoonish
I've been shopping around for a PbP game, and this one strikes me as intriguing. I'm having technical issues sending PMs at the moment, but I'll write one when I can get the issue cleared up.
Name of God: Lucius
Starting Domain: Ambition (if this doesn't work something related to political maneuvering (even tangentially) is preferable)
Physical Appearance: Lucius appears as a slender and regal, though somewhat androgynous man of whichever race he feels most suitable at the moment. He is most often garbed in a blue and yellow toga wrapped over a white tunic and sporting a laurel resting on his brow, but is known to adorn himself in the traditional aristocratic garb of whichever race he has assumed the form of. While always dressing finely, Lucius abhors gaudiness, preferring circlets to crowns, and wearing gem-inlaid jewelry only when it would be absolutely expected of the ruling class of whichever culture's garb he is emulating.
Symbol: A white "I" shape, representing a marble column.
Titles: The Motivator, Lord of Compromise, The Deal Maker
Personality/Core Concept: Lucius believes in order, and he wants to be the one to bring it. Despite his great pride he is not a malicious individual and takes great care to avoid making a hypocrite of himself by conducting himself honestly. This is not to say that he does not resort to underhandedness (which he does often), but rather that he is careful not to step on any toes or betray anyone's trust as he does so. If Lucius views something or someone as obstructing his goals he will maneuver himself to oppose them, but he will do so openly after severing any ties he may have previously established with them. While The Motivator loves nothing more than to have things his way, he realizes the value of critical thought and knows that it is often best to give a little ground to avoid making unnecessary waves. Change can be hard to accept all at once, and Lucius is nothing if not patient.
Personality in Brief: Well-meaning schemer.
Important Announcement
It is time to end this iteration of Lords of Creation. Posting has slowed to a trickle and many of our players, myself included, feel that it is time to draw this LoC to a close and prepare and start the next one, allowing both new and old players the opportunity to be integral parts of the story from the beginning as well as opening up the game to fresh ideas. That said, the game will be ending on Sunday, July 10th, which means the last reset will occur two weeks from today. Between now and then, I will be providing everyone, even the inactive player's PP levels. Put your plans in order, lay out your cards for plot hooks for people who actually want to use this setting (I will be one of them), and hold onto your hats!
Edit: If one was to turn a non-sentient species into a sentient race, what action would they take? Is that a nourish or shape?
Another Edit: I was intending to take Dloz in a different way, but that was before the announcement. I'm planning to have him go insane and go on a rampage. In his mind he's preventing the world from falling into stagnation. That's the most simple way to put it without giving away any surprises.
Edit: If one was to turn a non-sentient species into a sentient race, what action would they take? Is that a nourish or shape?
That would be an alter action, with a 4pp expenditure cost (same as a shape action)
Msatnaph didn't leave with Dloz. You can still duke it out with him.
Dloz just left to start doing his caluclations.@ Thought
Thanks.
And hopefully, yes... we can get Ebel, or at least some aspect of Ebel, to make a return from beyond the dead and bring this whole thing full-cycle by the time we reach the end.
Arythmia, I'm kinda annoyed with you!!!!!!! I was looking forward to more of your absolutely insane and brilliant ecosystems and you just VANISHED. Tsk. Tsk. Tsk.
Well, your mountainous form is bound in chains and under the thrall of Pamora, who is Thought's new God. so... uh... there's that.
I had to create a special being that allowed creatures from sulfur-arsenic world to live in a normal oxygen world as somebody made the moon booooooring. I had all sorts of fun stuff planned out about how the pour souls would die of arsenic deficiency, but Joran vanished and nobody else cares about the moon
And... yeah. Game is ending soon. Glad to see you back! We're gonna start a new game quickly as it is summer and people have plenty of free time.
From me:
Veok, sorry about not discussing destroying the 'No-Ebel' artifact. I had gathered from our discussion last week that you were done with this LoC, otherwise I would have included you in the conversation that was had about it. That said, perhaps you could have discussed with us when you swallowed the sun
From the Admins:
PP saved several weeks ago can't be used if another reset has passed. The point of PP storage was to allow players to not lose a spare PP here or there, not to allow them to amass large quantities of PP over the course of several weeks. We've stopped several people in the past from doing this, and now, Veok, it is your turn
Finally, it is unclear what you are doing in Niganati, and regardless, you need to say something IC about it. Since you last posted, the Cult of the Salamander has left Niganati entirely, the tunnels are divided up between factions already and the 'largest cavern' in Niganati is currently the home base of the Fallen Overlords and their still forbidible horde of Fallen. It is unclear what "the cinders and embers of Niganati" are supposed to mean in this case, and while it is of course allowable for you to upend all the order that has been imposed on Niganati, you are going to have to do better than just tossing it into your PP expenditures as if it were nothing.
I'll sign up for the next one, I've got some ideas branching off of my last few posts that I'd like to see in words.
This post is broken up into two segments. One from me, and one from the 'Admins'
PP saved several weeks ago can't be used if another reset has passed. The point of PP storage was to allow players to not lose a spare PP here or there, not to allow them to amass large quantities of PP over the course of several weeks. We've stopped several people in the past from doing this, and now, Veok, it is your turn
Fair enough. It's not an issue of cost, so there's no problem.
Finally, it is unclear what you are doing in Niganati, and regardless, you need to say something IC about it. Since you last posted, the Cult of the Salamander has left Niganati entirely, the tunnels are divided up between factions already and the 'largest cavern' in Niganati is currently the home base of the Fallen Overlords and their still forbidible horde of Fallen. It is unclear what "the cinders and embers of Niganati" are supposed to mean in this case, and while it is of course allowable for you to upend all the order that has been imposed on Niganati, you are going to have to do better than just tossing it into your PP expenditures as if it were nothing.
Several weeks ago, Ourogandr left the Temple of Flowing Waters with a posse of Salamanders and Azer. It now occurs to me that they are not the cult of the salamander, so that's simply a classification error.
As to Niganati - I was under the impression that it had been left to die (effectively) with all players moving out of it. Could you point me at a post or two that talks about the Fallen Overlords? I seem to have missed those.
As for the Overlords... I sadly haven't had the time to flesh them out as much as I would have liked, which likely explains why you managed to miss the post... let me see here...
community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/758...
Basically they're organizing the feral Fallen into something a little more... organized (most original wordchoice ever, there.) And yes, I'm going in a very... Dragon Age direction with them. Because originality is lacking in my head at the moment.
As for the rest, Thought's posts would be the place to go to see the re-organization of Niganati. To note: The Pharoah and his supporters never left, and are now wandering around with special talismans that repel the Fallen from them, so it wasn't ever *really* accurate to say the place was fully deserted, either
To be honest, I had forgotten about the Salvators entirely; I wans't aware of the Fallen Overlords (their creation was nestled in with the rest of your PP actions, and easily missable, as you alluded to).
Well, the entire previous page of the IC thread is littered with posts describing post-death Niganati and all the various occupying forces doing their darndest to take various pieces of Nignati as their own so... take you pick.
Thank you for that derrogatory and utterly unhelpful comment.
I don't see how it was unhelpful. You made a post concerning a takeover of Niganati when recently there has been much discussion on that front in the IC, and then when Toph attempted to steer you in the right direction, you asked where there were posts that contradicted you. As I said, and then as Toph politely added on, a large portion of the recent posts, including most notably those by Thought, have been detailing the recent goings on at Niganati, which are most certainly not restricted to people merely "moving on". In future, just try to read the IC thread. I would also avoid taking everything that I say as negative rather than as positive. My intention was never derrogatory.
To me, "a large portion of the recent posts" means something very different than "the last post on the subject was 2 weeks ago".
Vague comments about "the entire previous page" of the IC thread being relevant which, when double-checked, still yield nothing relevant, is not helpful.
Thought's last post was response #826 and while it is happening at Niganati, it has nothing whatsoever to do with the state of populations within Niganati. Before that, Thought responded at #819 and #808 (and again, they have nothing to do with the situation at hand). It is only with Toph's post at #806 (which he himself linked) that events become relevant, and likewise the last time Thought touched on the issue was response #803 .
Given that my latest response is #836, two weeks and thirty responses removed, do you see why I find your statement of
Well, the entire previous page of the IC thread is littered with posts describing post-death Niganati and all the various occupying forces doing their darndest to take various pieces of Nignati as their own so... take you pick.
disingenuous?
Mmmkay, this is going nowhere good. I think you've both made your points and this is going to get unpleasant unless we nip it in the bud. Soooo.... everybody listen to the music and sway in time. Kumbayah is next on, as I recall.
In more newsful news, tomorrow evening (hopefully), we'll be having a talk in the chat about both the end of this game and the future of LoC in general. We're thinking we might want to move forums (not far, just the Homebrew forums of this website) to pick up more people, and in general are interested in your ideas of what to do next. So yes. Tomorrow... we'll say... 9ish-10ish PM EST or so?
I am looking for some form of (preferably) online means of creating overland maps for future LoCs. We've muddled with Campaign Cartographer and Paint in the past, but those require one person to deal with the entire mess, which is less than ideal. Anybody have anything they've stumbled on in the past? I would think that there'd be something... somewhere...
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I am looking for some form of (preferably) online means of creating overland maps for future LoCs. We've muddled with Campaign Cartographer and Paint in the past, but those require one person to deal with the entire mess, which is less than ideal. Anybody have anything they've stumbled on in the past? I would think that there'd be something... somewhere...
What are you looking for in a map maker? Just some way to model terrain? Or do you want to be able to add terrain features, labels, etc.
EDIT: I don't know what those post citations are supposed to prove. They happened after the Niganati death, and thus pertain to the current situations. If you had put as much effort into reading the IC thread, and these posts in particular, before posting as you did in attempting to make me look like an idiot, we wouldn't have had this whole difficulty. It doesn't matter that they happened two weeks ago, the point is that they happened after Niganati "died", and so they have bearing on the issue, and you should have read them before tossing them aside and adding a takeover to your post as an afterthought.
EDIT: I don't know what those post citations are supposed to prove. They happened after the Niganati death, and thus pertain to the current situations. If you had put as much effort into reading the IC thread, and these posts in particular, before posting as you did in attempting to make me look like an idiot, we wouldn't have had this whole difficulty. It doesn't matter that they happened two weeks ago, the point is that they happened after Niganati "died", and so they have bearing on the issue, and you should have read them before tossing them aside and adding a takeover to your post as an afterthought.
I'm not trying to make you look like an idiot.
I had a problem, asked for help in finding it, and you responded "go read the IC thread again". That was not helpful, and I perceived it as insulting to boot because of the implication that I don't care enough to read the IC thread.
You're right about our page counts being different (my last page is page 42, so I've got about half as many posts as you). I am sorry for appearing to jump down your throat.
Ara. Be the better person and LET. IT. GO.
Veok. Be the better person and LET. IT. GO.
You're not going to get anywhere and its not going to help either of you or the game as a whole to keep harranguing at one another back and forth here. Ara, if you don't feel strongly enough about the issue, WHY IN THE NAME OF VEROS do you keep replying?
See... this is what you get when Topheh stays up late making a map and wakes up all grumpy-bear. *raaaaawwwrr!*
Edit: Rawr is the sound a cat makes. ROOOAAAAARRRR is more appropriate.
I am looking for some form of (preferably) online means of creating overland maps for future LoCs. We've muddled with Campaign Cartographer and Paint in the past, but those require one person to deal with the entire mess, which is less than ideal. Anybody have anything they've stumbled on in the past? I would think that there'd be something... somewhere...
What are you looking for in a map maker? Just some way to model terrain? Or do you want to be able to add terrain features, labels, etc.
Ideally something as close to the map I put up as possible. One idea that I'm hoping to implement in the future to deal with our perennial issues of 'where is everything' and 'Everything seems to exist in a vacuum' is to actually have a "living" map that is updated regularly with peoples and places. I'm even tempted to say that if you spend the PP but don't put it on the map, it doesn't count and you lose the PP... but I'm sure I can be convinced away from that position.
Obviously, if this is going to work, We're gonna need some sort of online tool to keep track of all of this. Maplib works... sorta... for keeping track of populaces, but its not wholly ideal, nor can it place new terrain features. Push comes to shove, I'm getting faster and faster with CC, so we might be able to get things working better/faster with some sort of weekly updated Maplib map that people would then mark that week's changes onto with pushpins and I would then modify the map and post a new one with the reset.
So that is my hope... but I've poked around myself and have come up empty. Hopefully *you* know of something far superior!
Also: Any major features that I missed on that map? I haven't updated the PP expenditures in about two weeks, so nothing from those weeks has been included. Also... had a hard time including things either underground or unorganized
(Triple posts are awesome, but only if they are on different topics)
Also: Any major features that I missed on that map? I haven't updated the PP expenditures in about two weeks, so nothing from those weeks has been included. Also... had a hard time including things either underground or unorganized
Pretty sure some features have moved around since the last map (like TSO's volcano; didn't it used to be in the east?), but to the best of my knowledge nothing is outright missing.
Oh, I suppose the Moon is missing (and everything upon it).
I was going to suggest using the Civ V map editor to cartographize things, though that has obvious possible problems like scale, sameness (though compared to CC, it might look better anyway) an inability to label things directly (nothing a few minutes in Paint can't fix!) and hexes (which may rub some folks the wrong way).
I think things are mostly good with the map, at least from what I can see. The only thing I would point out is that the Tarnished cities are in the wrong spot. They're supposed to be on and around that little peninsula slightly to the West of where they are now. Apart from that, it looks wonderful.
Otherwise, looks nice.
And... I honestly have no idea what the Moon looks like. Joran, you still around?
I'm posting this link here because I've noticed we don't generally check the group as often as we should.
If I remember right, elven settlements are on the left hand side of the ocean, orc are northern side, and human/whatever else are on the eastern side of the ocean. All with great mystical spires even.
In the center of the ocean lays a small island that houses the temple of the gods. Which no one used. I swear I could have lit the thing up like Vegas and no one would have come!
I think next LOC we need to have some one make a forest and fuzzy little bear like beings!
Lets see here.
Mecha! Anubis! I summon thee!
First, as we discussed, to take another god's domain you would need to create an artifact, rather than claiming the domain.
Second, you would really should actually be near that god in order to take their domain (when I asked, you said you hadn't traveled to the Shadowfell, but that is where the Silent One is). As it is, this is getting fairly close to breaking the omni-nots (gods are not omnipresent, omniscient, nor omnipotent).
Third, currently the Silent One doesn't have a domain to take: you had said that Isura didn't remove the chains but rather severed their connection to the leash, but that means that the chains are still on him and still transmitting, just that nothing is receiving. Thus, those chains would really need to be removed or destroyed first so that there is a domain for your new artifact to take.
And finally, Pamora already cut off your access of viewing through Mulfrost, so there are no psychic tendrils for Isura to view the Silent One through.
Veok, there are four (fairly minor) issues with your post.
First, as we discussed, to take another god's domain you would need to create an artifact, rather than claiming the domain.
Quoting from the rules on the wiki: "Domains are not exclusive; more than one god may have the same domain." Since The Silent One has only the one domain, I don't think it's fair to say that it was taken completely -- there would be nothing left for Anubis to come back to. Since the PP cost for an artifact is the same, I have no problem making a Macguffin, though I disagree with the necessity from a design perspective.
Second, you would really should actually be near that god in order to take their domain (when I asked, you said you hadn't traveled to the Shadowfell, but that is where the Silent One is). As it is, this is getting fairly close to breaking the omni-nots (gods are not omnipresent, omniscient, nor omnipotent).
Third, currently the Silent One doesn't have a domain to take: you had said that Isura didn't remove the chains but rather severed their connection to the leash, but that means that the chains are still on him and still transmitting, just that nothing is receiving. Thus, those chains would really need to be removed or destroyed first so that there is a domain for your new artifact to take.
And finally, Pamora already cut off your access of viewing through Mulfrost, so there are no psychic tendrils for Isura to view the Silent One through.
As I see it, Isura is basically posessing Mulfrost currently, which means that she is only where the artifact is (and not omnipresent). However, Isura had already found The Silent One through the artifact (and it was that finding that triggered Pamora to restrict access in the first place). Pamora may have turned off the Neon Signage pointing to The Silent One, but since Isura already took the exit, it was irrelevant.
On an unrelated note, I think I have to ask you to perhaps reword your latest cantrip. As described, the 'fires' of both Phoneix and Embrin are the results of biological processess. In the act of snuffing the flame, you would actually be causing greivous harm (which is both beyond the scope of a cantrip and probably not what you intended in the first place).
Quoting from the rules on the wiki: "Domains are not exclusive; more than one god may have the same domain."
To quote from the rules just two sentences beyond that point: "It is not usually allowed for another god to re-create a domain that is already in existence, but exceptions are possible if discussed in the OOC thread first." This was discussed on mibbit instead, and at the time it was said that you'd need to create an artifact. Since you didn't object then, I was a bit surprised to see your action in game. Do you have a particular reason for wanting to create a new domain (which, technically, would still leave the Silent One with his own version of it, even if it was allowed)? Do you have a particular objection to creating an artifact instead?
As I see it, Isura is basically posessing Mulfrost currently, which means that she is only where the artifact is (and not omnipresent). However, Isura had already found The Silent One through the artifact (and it was that finding that triggered Pamora to restrict access in the first place). Pamora may have turned off the Neon Signage pointing to The Silent One, but since Isura already took the exit, it was irrelevant.
The objection was more towards your description. Yeah, you know where the Silent One is, but Mulfrost isn't telling you that. And, since you said you hadn't gone to the Silent One, you can't use Mulfrost to go there (not that you can't go there, just that Mulfrost isn't taking you). But since on mibbit you said that you are now there, this really is just a flavor issue. As for possessing the artifact, even if you were, Pamora basically kicked you out of it before the description that I am objecting too (she is in possession of the controlling portion of the artifact). But again, this is just a flavor issue.
On an unrelated note, I think I have to ask you to perhaps reword your latest cantrip. As described, the 'fires' of both Phoneix and Embrin are the results of biological processess. In the act of snuffing the flame, you would actually be causing greivous harm (which is both beyond the scope of a cantrip and probably not what you intended in the first place).
For the cantrip, think of it like stopping someone's heart. The heart beating is a result of biological processes, stopping it would cause great harm. But, stopping it just for a moment, after which it resumes, well that can be unpleasant, but it doesn't cause harm enough to be beyond a cantrip. The purpose was to get Isura's attention, after all.
Do you have a particular reason for wanting to create a new domain (which, technically, would still leave the Silent One with his own version of it, even if it was allowed)? Do you have a particular objection to creating an artifact instead?
Only insofar as that it'd be an artifact for the sake of creating an artifact. It's not like creating an artifact instead of a domain changes the PP expenditure.
A noble reason, to be sure, but I would object that this would be creating an artifact for the sake of creating an artifact. For example, if I had done as you did, then both Tireas and the Silent One's domains would be beyond your grasp. Presumably, Isura wouldn't know be aware of the Silent One (or of Pamora's general gathering of domains) if it wasn't for Mulfrost. So, it seems given the present situation that artifacts for taking domains are actually quite interesting for the current gameplay.
It's an issue of, "I spent the PP to acquire the domain." "Okay, it doesn't count unless you make that PP an artifact."
Unlike some other gods, I'm not dragging off pieces of their body or literally binding them. It's recreating the domain via empathy, not sharing the domain in the literal sense. I'm not taking his domain from him, I'm reverse engineering it.
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To quote from the rules just two sentences beyond that point: "It is not usually allowed for another god to re-create a domain that is already in existence, but exceptions are possible if discussed in the OOC thread first." This was discussed on mibbit instead, and at the time it was said that you'd need to create an artifact. Since you didn't object then, I was a bit surprised to see your action in game
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To quote from the rules just two sentences beyond that point: "It is not usually allowed for another god to re-create a domain that is already in existence, but exceptions are possible if discussed in the OOC thread first." This was discussed on mibbit instead, and at the time it was said that you'd need to create an artifact. Since you didn't object then, I was a bit surprised to see your action in game
All I asked was "what difference does it make?" As I was not privvy to the rule-making, I am simply trying to understand why things are how they are.
Second, Toph, to be fair, V could ask the same thing of us. As should be no surprise to anyone, I like figuring out how things work within a particular framework, and following that framework when it has been established. Though my original objection, since creating the domain was against the established framework. Doesn't mean that such a course of action is impossible.
And third, Veok, the difference is in the present situation. By making it an artifact, the original god can get it back if they waken, other gods can steal it, etc. By actually recreating the domain, well, none of that is possible. One provides a wide variety of possible interactions with other players, while the other is more of a declaration of your own intended actions. Additionally, this is how things have traditionally been done in this version of LoC. And even more additionally, you could have objected when it was originally said that you should have made an artifact. However, considering that it seems quite unlikely that anything will come of an artifact you make in the time remaining, it is a moot point. I still don't really see why you want to go this way, but I don't have a really compelling reason beyond what has already been said to say no, so sure, go ahead and stick with your domain.
If you and Thought have come to another agreement or if I am mistaken, then ignore me
Veok, I'll leave Thought to correct me, but I don't think its quite that easy. One of the things that Thought put into Mulfrost was that it had to be removed by 'another'. As you removed it from Tireas only to put it on yourself, the same rules apply and you're not going to be rid of it quite *that* quickly.
If you and Thought have come to another agreement or if I am mistaken, then ignore me
Isura never put the artifact on. She grabbed hold of it and pulled in a (vain) attempt to get Pamora's attention. I used the description of wrapping the chain once around her arm to get a proper grip (like one would do in real life if one were trying to pull a chain) but there was no PP action (cantrip or otherwise) involved with Isura wearing the artifact, by either myself or Thought.
Isura wound the, now free-floating, chain about her arm.
No action of any kind is required to use an artifact or put one on. To be fair, usually the god has to be incapacitated in order for the chain to be put on them, but Isura put it on herself, willingly. I indicated in a previous post that Pamora now had the fire domain. We talked about this very thing yesterday on mibbit. If you don't want to be bound, it is fairly easy to get off, but you have to have another god remove it. For now, it stays and Pamora has one of your domains.
Using a harm action to get rid of a cantrip? That is a bit like weeding with napalm. You have me curious, now, Veok: what is Isura's motivation? Why was destroying the eye so important to her that she felt she needed to expend so much power to destroy it?
I figured that if I had tried to destroy it with a cantrip, you would have found another cantrip to supersede mine. Isura has no desire for Pamora to have benefited from her subjugation of a Fire domain.
Here is what I propose. Death. Lots of it, culminating in what is more or less a return, godwise, to the state at the start of the game. We begin.
1. Dloz finishes collecting Ebel's body parts from those who are still asleep/dead (Akuru and Dajjal)
2. Isura, I hope, somehow meets her end, preferably in some way that provides an element of Ebel to Dloz (I understand, Veok, that this runs counter to Isura's motivations throughout the game, but I think it would be... nice). Regardless, death.
3. Arvad is about to explode the Godmountain in an attempt to kill Pamora. This will bothseriously injure both Pamora and myself, and destabilize the Gate.
4. Dloz kills Tsiyoti and harvests the last body part, the Blood of Ebel.
5. Dloz and Pamora struggle, and one by one the body parts and the Silent One (who is the Spirit of Ebel) tumble into the Gate. Finally, Pamora and Dloz fall in as well. A deafening Boom echoes across Creation as the Gate fluxuates wildly with all the added divine energy.
6. The Gate fluxuates and then suddenly closes and vanishes, leaving Ebel Reborn floating in the Void. She opens her eyes: "Hello Children."
7. SCENE!
What do people think? Suitibly dramatic, no?
Or you could get all metaphysical and assume she's talking to herself, her own body, showing that her children always were and forever will be, a part of her, in both the physical and spiritual sense.
Or, you know, you could be boring and do what Toe said, your choice. ;)
Yeah, I figured that you were using PP so that you left no if, ands, or buts about it, but that seemed more of a metagame reason than Isura's reason. Anywho, was just curious
Well, the other reason is that I have a different plan for Ebel's eye, which I am about to go enact. So there's that.
PP Expenditure
-2 PP Harm:Isura guarantees that Pamora's Ash Eye and Fire Essence Cantrip is swallowed whole into Dajjal's wake, irrevocably and absolutely destroyed.
PP Expenditure
-3 PP: (re)Forge Artifact: Left Eye of Ebel - The Left Eye of Ebel, sacrificed into the gate so very long ago to incarnate Isura, is dredged up by Dwarven Machines. A little battered, perhaps, but mostly none the worse for wear.
One of these posts contradicts the other.
On a different topic, given Shadow's post, this seems to be a good point for Pamora's exit. However, as part of her death, I'd like to create a second fire domain, albiet, all things considered, temporarily. Would there be any objection to this?
Thank you.
For the ease of all, here are links to the two edited posts:
community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/758...
community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/758...
To summarize, there are two main differences: In the first post, Arusi kills the taint along with the Light, and in the second post she is asking Dloz about rounding up all the gods (to shove them into the gate or otherwise eliminate them). I did try to structure the revisions so that there should be no need for other people to revise their posts in turn (though Toph, your posts are the closest to that, sorry. I think they can still work, but I will leave that up to you).
Veok, I will try to be more flexible myself in the future (I shouldn't have tried to push the issue in game). However, I would like to point out that you agreed to Isura being the aberrant thing that took Arusi's place (if you hadn't agreed, Arusi would have never entered the game). My intent for the storyline was clear from this. Much of Arusi's short time in the world was based on that premise. You then switched a fundamental aspect of her plot unilaterally. While this plotline does use your characters, such a fundamental change was not yours to make.
Whee, tripple post.
Veok, I will try to be more flexible myself in the future (I shouldn't have tried to push the issue in game). However, I would like to point out that you agreed to Isura being the aberrant thing that took Arusi's place (if you hadn't agreed, Arusi would have never entered the game). My intent for the storyline was clear from this. Much of Arusi's short time in the world was based on that premise. You then switched a fundamental aspect of her plot unilaterally. While this plotline does use your characters, such a fundamental change was not yours to make.
Toph, this is why I brought it up in the OOC thread. I suspected there were some crossed wires in communication, and Thought's opinion of events confirms it.
I agreed it would be interesting if there was a fire god trapped in the gate. I didn't realize that also meant agreeing that Isura is an aberration that is the root of all that is evil and bad. If I had known that was 'part of the bargain', as it were, I wouldn't have condoned the idea in the first place. This is why I was so happy when I realized I could use The Light Fantastic to scapegoat the death of the universe -- I'm sorry I didn't make myself more clear, and that I didn't question Arusi's fervor before now.
Honestly, after Time Lord's post, I was content to let things be -- there wasn't a need to rush off and edit things back (and I hope you still have your original posts somewhere!). If any retcon were to ever happen in any future instance of anything, I hope things would be discussed between all parties. I know you meant well, but perhaps this messes with something Time Lord or myself have planned (in addition to Toph and yourself).
Don't chide yourself for being stubborn in this instance; there's no problem with stubborn players as long as everyone is willing to talk things out in person (either in a chat, or OOC, as in this thread).
While there may have been crossed wires, your original post fairly strongly sends a message not of 'Just checking how you feel about things so we can try to resolve our differences in a mutually acceptable manner' but 'I am immensely frustrated that you are not doing things my way.' I read it this way because of the bolded Please the Thank You at the bottom and the generally curt nature of your sentances as well as what you had said in mibbit immediately before posting it. Ultimately, both sentiments are fully acceptable things to post in an OOC thread. God knows I've posted some highly... erm... forceful things in the past (and Xeadin, I do apologize again).
However, I am growing increasingly annoyed with your habit of brushing away other peoples legitimate opinions beause we're somehow not 'getting the point'. Based on your post, I offered my opinion, namely that, as in multiple cases in the past, meta-game knowledge aquired by the player (in this case that Isura was free of all culpability and 'taintedness') doesn't necessarially transfer to the character, and definitely should not instantly change the entire persona and motivation of the character. We've had significant problems with this in the past (The biggest being in LightVoid when Shadow siezed upon a loophole in someone else's post as a way to destroy Yrie without actually involving his God (a move generally considered as NOT COOL) and players, knowing that Shadow had been involved in the destruction, kept attacking Shadow's God, who, In the Game, had nothing to do with it.) It was a general statement of good LoC gameplay that I felt could use reiterating based on yoru post: Meta-knowledge should be kept separate from IC-knowledge.
Regardless of the point I was trying to make, it frustrates me when your response to my point is to quote someone else and tell me that *they* got it and *they* were the reason you had posted your point initially (particularly when your claim in this instance is so very transparently false). No response at all (which would have been fully acceptable to me) is better than what you wrote, which to me reads as you telling me that my opinions aren't valid. I'm not sure if you're even aware that you are doing it... in fact, I suspect that you thought that you were doing a good thing by acknowledging that I had posted a reply... but I felt the need to share with you how it was making me feel. If possible, could you watch out for that in the future?
Veok, you're in luck. The last artifact is not in Hearth... its... well... somewhere in the world, wherever Itropi is after leaving Hearth
Isn't he? *goes back to reread the IC thread*.
Last post on the subject I could find was this: community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/758...
which seems to imply Itropi is in Hearth -- hence my confusion.
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