Here are the rules of the game.
The Rules
Gods use Power Points (PP) to influence the world. Every week of real time, each player gains a number of PP proportionate to his god's power and level of influence; gods with many great works and armies of worshippers will gain PP faster, as will those who conduct great roleplaying and help influence the world. Your weekly PP starts at 4, and-if you've been playing well-can be as high as 9. PP is assigned by the game's admins.
You can spend PP to conduct various actions. Some example divine actions, and their corresponding PP costs, are as follows:
Shape Land (minor) (1 PP): Glykllivar smote her spear into the ocean floor, causing a volcano to erupt from the spot. The lava flowed and then hardened, creating an island.
Nourish Land (1 PP): Wherever Artheyan's tears of grief fell upon the land, grasses and shrubs sprang up, bringing new life to this formerly barren land.
Nourish Populace (1 PP): The prayers of the villagers were answered that year; their newly planted fields flourished beyond measure. Their population and wealth began to increase, allowing them to expand northward and colonize new lands.
Teach Populace (1 AP): The Sage appeared to the elven shamans in their dreams, teaching them the making of certain artifacts. When they awoke, they began scribing their magic on parchment, to make spellbooks and scrolls; the first Wizards had appeared.
Shape Land (Moderate) (2 PP): Kur-ah strode along the center of the world, magma dripping from his body. Where it hardened, mountains formed, creating a new chain of hills and cliffs going across the continent.
Create Beasts (2 PP): From her divine realm, Artheyan looked down upon the wild horses that dwelt in her green fields. She raised her hand skyward, and several of the horses darted upward, using their new, feathery wings to fly.
Guide Populace (2 PP): Morintu sent his exarch to preach to the primitive humans. Soon, these people were worshippers of Morintu, and sent armies to the nearby elven lands to conquer them in his name.
Shape Land (Major) (3 PP): Amon decreed that a new continent would appear...and so it did.
or
Meanwhile, Kyrinian stole a handful of fire from Kur-ah's volcano, throwing it into the sky to create the sun.
Create Concept (3 PP): Lexius drew a complex diagram across the map, using preexisting landmarks like islands and rivers as part of his immense sigil. As he completed the diagram, power pulsed through the bones of the world, and arcane magic was unleashed freely for anyone to use.
Create Populace (3 PP): When Britmara bathed herself in the cool lake, her power and wisdom took form amid the water. When she left the pool, so too did a newborn race; the werewolves.
Create Exarch (3 PP): Morintu took the mortal Icoscol into the sky, and allowed him to overlook the mortal world from above. "This can all be yours, someday."
Create Artifact (3 PP): Kakavindus sat down in his dark palace, and began creating an ebony mask. He poured all of his cunning, malice, and lust for power into the artifact, imbuing it with terrible powers. This artifact could be used by gods and mortals alike to achieve awful things.
Create Plane (4 PP): Ooulzoth took one of his aberrant beasts and made it grow to a colossal size. The creature was now big enough to house entire armies within its body, and Ooulzoth built his palace within its stomach.
Create Avatar (4 PP): There was a flash of eldritch lightning, and a silvery, iridescent figure walked the mortal world.
Create God (4 PP): Glykllivar and Kyrinian were married. Not long after, the goddess Celeste was born.
Whenever you spend PP, you must be very specific about what you are doing. Artifacts must have their powers listed, races must have an origin point, etc. Also, you can't hoard PP; every week, you lose any leftover PPs you have and start anew. Also, keep in mind that you can share PP with another god for a big, joint project; creating a plane is much easier when each god only spends 2 PP, as long as the two are willing to share their creation.
Sometimes, gods will fight. The Attack God action costs 1 PP; you can't spend extra PP to increase the power of your attack. The victor is decided by comparing the Combat Bonus of the two gods.
-Your base combat bonus is equal to your base PP for the week. For instance, if you received 6 PP this turn, your god has a starting combat bonus of +6.
-You can have up to eight exarchs or artifacts aiding you in battle at a time (for a maximum bonus of +8). You can create as many artifacts or exarchs as you like, but you can only use eight of them at once in combat. Keep in mind that only artifacts SPECIFICALLY designed to be weapons can grant you this bonus.
-Fighting within a plane you created grants a +2 Divine Realm bonus.
-If gods fight as a team, they add their bonuses together into a single number.
Note that you may NOT kill another player's god unless that player gives you his or her permission OOC beforehand. If you defeat a god whose player isn't willing to give him up, than that god is subdued without being killed.
Gods use Power Points (PP) to influence the world. Every week of real time, each player gains a number of PP proportionate to his god's power and level of influence; gods with many great works and armies of worshippers will gain PP faster, as will those who conduct great roleplaying and help influence the world. Your weekly PP starts at 4, and-if you've been playing well-can be as high as 9. PP is assigned by the game's admins.
You can spend PP to conduct various actions. Some example divine actions, and their corresponding PP costs, are as follows:
Shape Land (minor) (1 PP): Glykllivar smote her spear into the ocean floor, causing a volcano to erupt from the spot. The lava flowed and then hardened, creating an island.
Nourish Land (1 PP): Wherever Artheyan's tears of grief fell upon the land, grasses and shrubs sprang up, bringing new life to this formerly barren land.
Nourish Populace (1 PP): The prayers of the villagers were answered that year; their newly planted fields flourished beyond measure. Their population and wealth began to increase, allowing them to expand northward and colonize new lands.
Teach Populace (1 AP): The Sage appeared to the elven shamans in their dreams, teaching them the making of certain artifacts. When they awoke, they began scribing their magic on parchment, to make spellbooks and scrolls; the first Wizards had appeared.
Shape Land (Moderate) (2 PP): Kur-ah strode along the center of the world, magma dripping from his body. Where it hardened, mountains formed, creating a new chain of hills and cliffs going across the continent.
Create Beasts (2 PP): From her divine realm, Artheyan looked down upon the wild horses that dwelt in her green fields. She raised her hand skyward, and several of the horses darted upward, using their new, feathery wings to fly.
Guide Populace (2 PP): Morintu sent his exarch to preach to the primitive humans. Soon, these people were worshippers of Morintu, and sent armies to the nearby elven lands to conquer them in his name.
Shape Land (Major) (3 PP): Amon decreed that a new continent would appear...and so it did.
or
Meanwhile, Kyrinian stole a handful of fire from Kur-ah's volcano, throwing it into the sky to create the sun.
Create Concept (3 PP): Lexius drew a complex diagram across the map, using preexisting landmarks like islands and rivers as part of his immense sigil. As he completed the diagram, power pulsed through the bones of the world, and arcane magic was unleashed freely for anyone to use.
Create Populace (3 PP): When Britmara bathed herself in the cool lake, her power and wisdom took form amid the water. When she left the pool, so too did a newborn race; the werewolves.
Create Exarch (3 PP): Morintu took the mortal Icoscol into the sky, and allowed him to overlook the mortal world from above. "This can all be yours, someday."
Create Artifact (3 PP): Kakavindus sat down in his dark palace, and began creating an ebony mask. He poured all of his cunning, malice, and lust for power into the artifact, imbuing it with terrible powers. This artifact could be used by gods and mortals alike to achieve awful things.
Create Plane (4 PP): Ooulzoth took one of his aberrant beasts and made it grow to a colossal size. The creature was now big enough to house entire armies within its body, and Ooulzoth built his palace within its stomach.
Create Avatar (4 PP): There was a flash of eldritch lightning, and a silvery, iridescent figure walked the mortal world.
Create God (4 PP): Glykllivar and Kyrinian were married. Not long after, the goddess Celeste was born.
Whenever you spend PP, you must be very specific about what you are doing. Artifacts must have their powers listed, races must have an origin point, etc. Also, you can't hoard PP; every week, you lose any leftover PPs you have and start anew. Also, keep in mind that you can share PP with another god for a big, joint project; creating a plane is much easier when each god only spends 2 PP, as long as the two are willing to share their creation.
Sometimes, gods will fight. The Attack God action costs 1 PP; you can't spend extra PP to increase the power of your attack. The victor is decided by comparing the Combat Bonus of the two gods.
-Your base combat bonus is equal to your base PP for the week. For instance, if you received 6 PP this turn, your god has a starting combat bonus of +6.
-You can have up to eight exarchs or artifacts aiding you in battle at a time (for a maximum bonus of +8). You can create as many artifacts or exarchs as you like, but you can only use eight of them at once in combat. Keep in mind that only artifacts SPECIFICALLY designed to be weapons can grant you this bonus.
-Fighting within a plane you created grants a +2 Divine Realm bonus.
-If gods fight as a team, they add their bonuses together into a single number.
Note that you may NOT kill another player's god unless that player gives you his or her permission OOC beforehand. If you defeat a god whose player isn't willing to give him up, than that god is subdued without being killed.
Water and Air
Unaligned
Agrilnost is a many headed being that rides on the water as a mist. When angered, he breaks upon his foes like the ocean with teeth like the frozen wind. Each head is shaped like a dragons head filled with a huge gaping maw and hundreds of teeth. His body is like a great big stormcloud, hiding crackling lightning in the folds.
Agrilnost's symbol is a blue diamond with a dozen or so tendrils that seem to writhe as one looks at it.
Applicants welcome.
Domain:Ocean, Aberrations, Knowledge, Arcane/Magic.
Alignment:Unaligned
Physical Appearance:When he chooses to, Ueborroth manifests as an undulating, oozelike mass, many miles to a side. Since his primary site of manifestation is in his oceans, this is no problem. Many thousands of eyes and tentacles dot his enormous hulking form, and often two or more combine to form larger ones for whatever purpose necessary, before splitting into many hundreds more. When size is a limitation, Ueborroth manifests as a squidlike terror, a floating mass of tentacles, or an enormous eye - but no matter his form, two features remain prolific - tentacles and eyes.
Symbol: The symbol of Ueborroth is a cyan rune in the shape of an oval within a circle, joined by three lines between them (spaced equally apart). When drawn stylistically, most choose to depict the outer circle as composed of tentacles.
Domain: Earth
Alignment: Unaligned
Physical Appearance: A gigantic, burrowing animal, usually an earthworm or ankheg, with skin flecked with stone and minerals.
Symbol: A perfect, black sphere.
Domain: Beasts, the Cycle, Death, Shapeshifters
Alignment: Unaligned
Physical Appearance: Manifests as a hulking werebeast, Accompanied by a hushed awe as the natural world pays homage. Possesses an aura of fear, the feeling of inevitable death at the hands of the hunter.
Symbol: A blood red crescent moon, upon which is inscribed the phrase "All is prey" in primordial runes.
Notes: Thrael'kriss is a god of the hunt. A god of death as part of the natural cycle. He has particular affinity for shapeshifters, and shows preference for creatures capable of multiple expressions of themselves.
Domain: Darkness, Necromancy, Diseases
Alignment: Unaligned
Physical Appearance: A sickly pale wormlike creature, shrouded in darkness
Symbol: A pale spiraling worm on black background
Thanks!
I'm actually liking the direction this one is taking. Where as the first Lords of creation was stereotypical "I'm making deities: They're all humanoidish" and such, and the second one was "We're all hideous monsters with nigh indecipherable anatomies" this one seems at the same time more mythical and more understandable.
Also, I can see the beginning of interesting deific relations starting.
Those old incarnations seem a little stereotypical for my tastes.
Domain: Sun, Inventive, Machinery, Dreams, Music, Law, Time.
Alignment: Good.
Physical Appearance: A big spark of white and orange light.
Symbol: Two orange question marks surrounding a white exclamation mark.
Could've used you a while ago. :D
Welcome.
And so the God of Light finally shows up.
Could've used you a while ago. :D
Welcome.
Well, "he said, let there be light...
and there was light.
He said let there be sound...
There was sound.
Let there be drums...
There was drums.
Let there be guitar...
There was guitar.
Let there be rock." (Taken from "Let there be rock", AC/DC.)
So, it's about time there is sound, as there is light! :P
The pantheon is looking really interesting. I wonder how any gods that rule over emotions will look like?
BTW, I have to take my hat off for the new bullette. Not only is it a new spin on an old monster (I have a spin for a race myself), but it is also very well designed. It deserves a standing ovation.
I'd say a god of a non-physical concept should be....
surreal.
surreal.
Or sublime.
I'd say that gods of abstract concepts like emotions should probably be the more humanlike ones.
It's not over yet. though. I have a plan for the rest of my PP, after everyone else reacts to the appearance of the "new kid" and the creation of the Kahani-esque moon.
Additionally, there's something I wish to know. What is the difference between an Avatar and an Exarch? Is an independent creation of a god (that is, one that is unique, has great power, and is a servant of a god, yet possesses free will and may do what it pleases) an Avatar, or an Exarch?
I've a little question. Considering an Exarch grants a bonus to godly combat, wouldn't an Avatar grant one too? Seems strange, since both are personifications of godly power.
No. An avatar is literally a fragment of the god's own power. Having the avatar with you doesn't help, because its still just you (only divided into two pieces). There's no advantage or disadvantage to having your avatar with you while you fight, because you can access that amount of power anyway.
Additionally, there's something I wish to know. What is the difference between an Avatar and an Exarch? Is an independent creation of a god (that is, one that is unique, has great power, and is a servant of a god, yet possesses free will and may do what it pleases) an Avatar, or an Exarch?
What you described is an Exarch. An exarch is a free willed, epic level being that acts as an intermediary between a god and the mortal world. For instance, Dorsaine the Ghoul King from the MM is an exarch of Orcus. Some exarchs are worshipped as minor gods in their own right (for instance, according to the MM, an exarch of Bane named Megublyet is worshipped by the goblinoids). Some exarchs were created the way they are. Others were once mortals who have been blessed and chosen by their patron god and elevated to semidivine status.
An avatar, on the other hand, is literally a divine sock puppet. You create avatars by splitting them off of yourself, control them directly and completely, see and hear through them, and can reabsorb them at will. Avatars and exarchs are usually around the same level, but are very different kinds of beings (an avatar isn't really a being at all, so much as a remote-controlled appendage).
Or sublime.
I'd say that gods of abstract concepts like emotions should probably be the more humanlike ones.
Or sublemon.
Sorry. >_>;
Well, it's good to have more PP. Obviously more creativity is required on my part if I want to cover the land in my sickly spawn before anyone can stop me ;).
Oh, and I really liked those spires, Wyld. Already thinking of putting light-emitting things like that in my own campaign world.
Edit: Oh, I was also going to ask about your latest (?) post as well, Wyld. Did you create death in answer to my fish? You seemed okay with the abberant Chuul, but not my fish/plankton? Hehe.
You offended Thael'kriss' sensibilities. At least the chuul have strength (and are worthy prey for the Bulettes).
Notice I replaced them with more predatory and dangerous bottom-feeders. That aside: I have some minor changes to the spires in an upcoming post. Hopefully you like the changes when I get to them.
Hope you don't mind my jumping onto the death thing. Just wanted to expand his portfolio to reflect his predatory nature. Your fish made excelent fodder for that expansion.
Edit: And if I ever find out how Wyld made that sort of table for the bullettes, I'll post Kraid's stats.
You can qoute me and copy the required thing into a text file if you like.
Or I can put him together if you give me his stats.
I believe it may be a good thing to edit Kraid into your Portfolio Post. This way it's really easy to track who's exarch and avatar is who's.
Hey delfedd or Space_Dragon... What would the point cost be to imbue something with a portion of your consciousness without actually creating anything?
Erendor, what exactly are these "aberrations" you made?
To answer your question, Wyld: if you're bestowing magical properties on an object, its 3 PP for Create Artifact.
And for, now, Erendor hasn't made any aberrations. He's only created the concept.
Armisael, you rename that construct RIGHT NOW, or I'll be sending a plasma-breathing dragon named Ridley to destroy it.
Erendor, what exactly are these "aberrations" you made?
To answer your question, Wyld: if you're bestowing magical properties on an object, its 3 PP for Create Artifact.
Well, I just had Ueberroth come up with the concept of aberrations in response to Wyld. So far, the only 'aberrations' have been his Chuul (which I suppose in this setting are more of a 'nautral' thing, seeing as how they're not supposed to be mutated crab things but something that Ueberroth came up with on his own...aside from that, I think Wyld was talking about the fish and plankton I made with Nourish Land - they were really weird tentacley-slimy alien fish things.
Oh and Wyld, nice work with the Primordial Bullete thing (which I just noticed). Those are crazy powerful and scary.
Sorry about getting up in arms about Kraid...I wonder if that's also what the game designers named that boss after? However, there's another issue I just noticed. Exarchs are supposed to be level 22-28 or so, whereas gods are in the low thirties. We can change that in this campaign, but if so then EVERYONE is going to have to be more powerful than I had assumed. Do we want to do that? Shall we put it to a vote?
If there were already weird fish and chuuls, what exactly did you bring into being by creating that concept?
Sorry about getting up in arms about Kraid...I wonder if that's also what the game designers named that boss after? However, there's another issue I just noticed. Exarchs are supposed to be level 22-28 or so, whereas gods are in the low thirties. We can change that in this campaign, but if so then EVERYONE is going to have to be more powerful than I had assumed. Do we want to do that? Shall we put it to a vote?
No problem about the name thing. It's just something that I found interesting, that's all.
About the Exarchs thing, that's actually mistaken. The exarchs you mention are those of demons. If I remember correctly, Moradin, for example, is a level 38 creature, and that's his avatar, not the real deal. Thus, we're more or less on the right level, about five or six less, if we assume that, as the first gods, we're more powerful than the gods that will spring up later.
And now that I think of it...it wouldn't be so strange that everyone ends a bit more powerful than normal. I've got a concept for a race that is also stronger than the normal ones (though I don't think it'll be playable), and it seems like everyone is building from the top down.
About creating from the top down: you'll notice that many of the epic monsters in the MM are primordial in origin, hailing from the early days of creation. We're doing it right. A race that's more powerful than most is also fine; after all, mind flayers fit that description, and they have always been core.
And now that I think of it...it wouldn't be so strange that everyone ends a bit more powerful than normal. I've got a concept for a race that is also stronger than the normal ones (though I don't think it'll be playable), and it seems like everyone is building from the top down.
Hey, I made some fish!
They just got killed by the thousands, is all. It seems that working top-down is going to be the order of the day unless you want your weaker races obliterated in this crab-eat-worm world!
Not telling what it is though.
What would altering the nature of the crystals be worth? Giving them life so-to -speak?
2 PP I guess?
Well, when I get some more PP I'm goung to create something new.
Not telling what it is though.
What would altering the nature of the crystals be worth? Giving them life so-to -speak?
2 PP I guess?
If they are going to be simple, non-statted plants and animals, 1 PP. If they are going to be stattable creatures, 2 PP. If they're to be sentient, 3.
Well, when I get some more PP I'm goung to create something new.
Not telling what it is though.
What would altering the nature of the crystals be worth? Giving them life so-to -speak?
2 PP I guess?
Ice archons! Or crystal archons. Probably 3, as you'd make a new race. Unless they're non-sapient, in which case they'd be beasts and cost 2 PP.
I've got two options next shot, I'm insure what to do.
If I get 6 PP (for continuing to be awesome) I'll do both.
Hint: One of my options will be as-yet unique. As in it wasn't done in 4e yet.
You could always reflavor them, but that's just my suggestion.
Maybe I'll put up spoilers when I've statted them out.
Out of curiosity, how much PP would a normal magical item cost? Not an artifact, just a simple one use item that would teleport my vassal to me once the trigger kicks in.
Nothing. That's a trivial action for a god.
although i might change the name to shadow plants, instead of dark plants
does creating plants count as a nourish populous, and thus 1PP)
does creating plants count as a nourish populous, and thus 1PP?
Yes.
Perhaps Myxiniron's domain would be better named "Shadow." Since it is a power source in itself, it would fit right?
And when do we get to see Agrilnost's Primordial Hydras? They can't be stronger than my bulettes can they?
plus it sounds cooler
@Armisael: The proper way to describe"Inventive" should probably be "Invention." Much smoother as part of conversation.
Just somethoughts that come into my head. Though you're right... Darkness is WAY cooler. :D
Curse my skimming...
Well they'll prove delicious to my Bulettes at the very least.
*picturing bulettes diving in and out of the ground attacking the Hydras*
Week ends in like three days right? (Having resets on sunday would be ideal, with extra PP granted during the week should we run out.)
I dislike seeing my posts take up threequarters of a page. Makes me feel li8ke a hog.
Finally, the gladiatorial matches can serve as an impetus for character development. Watching them can inspire various gods to create something new...or cause disagreements between gods to grow hotter.
Space Dragon, I sent you a PM yesterday about joining. Would it be possible, or are you full up?
Sorry if I'm being impatient. :D
Hi guys!
Space Dragon, I sent you a PM yesterday about joining. Would it be possible, or are you full up?
Sorry if I'm being impatient. :D
You and the other applicants will be notified as soon as there is an opening. There should be at least one or two more in this turn, so I'll get back to you within the week.
Little question: Would an artifact that can create things from nothing be powerful enough to count for a Shape Land Moderate and the creation of a new creature?
Um...what exactly are you planning to do?
A Machine factory capable of creating a great variety of mechanical and manufactured items (Even realistic trees and plants! Or shrubberies, if we need Monty Python.) and creating the concept of machinery while I'm at it. Being powered by divine magic, I'm thinking it wouldn't require materials...at least for now.
Sure, but you still have to spend PP for all the things you make with it. I think a decent, metagame benefit to having the machine would be one extra PP per turn that can only be used on creating things.
Never considered meta-game benefits before...
Now it'll seem like I'm stealing ideas...
*shakes head in... well not quite sure how to describe it...*
We were working on polar-opposite creations: One that is unnatural, the other natural.
In the fight the Primordial Bulette has the upper hand against just about everything. The only creature that stands half a chance is the Elder Worm.
My Bulette can move in and out of combat at-will. Jumping in from multiple squares away before disappearing into the solid earth. Rinse and repeat.
I just thought I'd point out the tactical advantage. While my creatures special effects are nullified by size his major tactical abilities make combat a cake walk. Which is why he's apex predator. (I chose a bulette for a reason...)
... We really are well matched...
Heh, it pays to think of combat in advance. Fly 15 up, unload, have fun. 'Course, if you burrow, I'm screwed, but the ground pound could fix that, with appropriate timing.
On another note, I think that space dragon is busy at school (But don't quote me on that). I hope people continue posting... unless everyone is done spending AP for this round.
War, though, sounds possible. And there's also magic, emotions, luck, and others as possible portfolios.
... just sayin'
The world's a mighty uniform place at the moment: perhaps a god of heat and a god of cold, siblings to light and dark if you will. that way the ecosystems may grow more diverse and more gods means more posts, more PP, and more creation. *solemn nod*
I like my jungle.
You can't have seasons without differing temperatures. Without seasons your critters would breed like rabbits... perfect if your hunters, and jungle can keep up with the little animals... otherwise the circle will be broken.
You can have your pick of the two, Mathew. I'll PM the waiting list for the other.
sounds kinda like the goddess Kali, or for this world, the goddess (androgynous for now) Khadesh.
Name: Khadesh
Domain: Heat, Cold, Balance
Alignment: unaligned
Physical Appearance: Khadesh has ivory skin with ebony wings. Her left arm is ice, her right fire.
Symbol: A spiral of red and blue
So the lack of posts getting ridiculous eh?
Well choose heat from which to be born.
Maybe at the Vents?
New one: Lightning strikes, and creates a fire, which gains consciousness.
Name: Pravus
Domain: Cold, Law
Alignment: Unalined(this is required for starting, correct?)
Appearance: A shapeless mass of bitter cold and frost, with a blue-black icey orb at it's heart(for now).
Symbol: A glacier
Do they belong in the Compendium?
If there's still an opening I'll take cold? If not I'll remove the following after being so told.
Name: Pravus
Domain: Cold
Alignment: Unalined(this is required for starting, correct?)
Appearance: A shapeless mass of bitter cold and frost(for now).
Symbol: A glacier
If no one from the waiting list gets back to me by tommorow, you're in.
Also, is Khadesh male or female? I'm asking because being able to use words related to gender would be really helpful for the quality of the writing.
ff6shadow- Air? Magic? Revelry?
Name: Lemerge
Domain: Battle
Alignment: Unaligned
Physical Appearance: A hollow suit of black and red plate armor. The eye slits have yellow orbs of light peering out of them.
Symbol: A sword and axe crossed
Magic sounds fun but I'm not sure there is a place for it yet. If there is a place though, I want it.
Another note: I think it could be helpful to note which portfolios are taken and who has them. I've got a list here. SPace Dragon, if you want to either link to it os just copy in into your original post and update it, feel free.
Portfolio List
Aberrations - Ueborroth
Air - Agrilnost
Beasts - Thrael'kriss
Cold - Pravus (assuming he got it)
Darkness - Myxiniron
Death - Thrael'kriss
Earth - Ongor
Heat - Khadesh
Invention - Adahan
Ocean - Ueborroth
Sun - Adahan
Water - Agrilnost
Air - Agrilnost
Beasts - Thrael'kriss
Cold - Pravus (assuming he got it)
Darkness - Myxiniron
Death - Thrael'kriss
Earth - Ongor
Heat - Khadesh
Invention - Adahan
Ocean - Ueborroth
Sun - Adahan
Water - Agrilnost
Aberrations - Ueborroth
Air - Agrilnost
Beasts - Thrael'kriss
Cold - Pravus
Darkness - Myxiniron
Death - Thrael'kriss
Earth - Ongor
Heat - Khadesh
Invention - Adahan
Ocean - Ueborroth
Sun - Adahan
Machinery - Adahan
Afterlife - Ongor
Decay - Ongor
Water - Agrilnost
No cost.
Only the Firstborn (Agrilnosts children) had a cost associated, though that cost was paid by Agrilnost.
shape land -1
Create concept -3
1 pp remaining?
Others don't update quite as much.
'Course they aren' OCD about it.
Anyway... If defeated you're subdued and not killed. I don't know the mechanical aspects of this.
Considering Thrael'kriss likes your children... I suppose having a god of death on your side won't hurt right? You'll have to convince him that you're worth saving though.
You're good for the setting, we won't kill you. You've still got more demons to create, no?
Thrael'kriss will love you for it...
Every once in a while I scare myself...
(I happen to agree that Khadesh is made of win... I also believe her to be Epic)
I saw that you created a plane back when you first passed judgement on Khadesh. Shall we dump chaos where it belongs?
My lycanthropes can be whatever the environment requires. They aren't the usual lycanthropes. Different "species" can interbreed, and produce children of either lineage.
Lycanthropy is now a hereditary gift. And one that can produce fearsome creatures.
Weresharks are hereby in.
My lycanthropes can be whatever the environment requires. They aren't the usual lycanthropes. Different "species" can interbreed, and produce children of either lineage.
Lycanthropy is now a hereditary gift. And one that can produce fearsome creatures.
Actually, I was about to suggest that to you myself, since you said you were having trouble with fluff. Great minds think alike.
For those of you who don't seehow they do that... Nature is a thing of chaos. Order causes stagnation. Creatures of chaos disrupt the order and maintain the cycle.
Anything Thrael'kriss creates is inherently bound to chaos. And the most powerful beings of chaos have a certain... Kinship with Thrael'kriss.
Especially creatures of death or primal power. (Tarrasque, Balor etc.)
Humanoid, capable of assuming both a "human" form and a beastial likeness.
Though for the time being they don't have a human form. (There is no reason for them to have it.)
They can be made from just about any beastial creature. (In fact they can be made from any... The restrictions are due to balance reasons.)
The basic Lycanthropes from the current MM are Werewolves. Extrapolate that out to include every beast in existence. All of these are a single race. A hereditary gift, from their creator god.
As a playable race they invlud a lot of customization. And each base creature brings new tactics to the table.
In short... they are Humanoids which are a hybrid of animal features and human features. And can "increase" the prevalence of either set of futures between a 50-50 split to a 100-0 split.
Basically the classic D&D werecreatures. (Just more unified.)
The first Lycanthropes are and always will be the truest of Thrael'kriss touch upon the world. They are indeed made in his image.
I also have little to taech them with my final 2 PP.
If we get past this trial.
I'm hoping I can step in as a God of conflict.
Also, there probably should be a god of those things or y'know, the world'll fall apart.
I can easily imagine the ocean god taking over water.
Most of Thrael's creations are big.
Anyway... Great time for a god of conflict ya think?
"Oh, a storm is threatning
My very life today
If I dont get some shelter
Oh yeah, Im gonna fade away
War, children, its just a shot away
Its just a shot away
War, children, its just a shot away
Its just a shot away
Ooh, see the fire is sweepin
Our very street today
Burns like a red coal carpet
Mad bull lost its way
War, children, its just a shot away
Its just a shot away
War, children, its just a shot away
Its just a shot away"
The race Adahan is going to create is now going to have some...interesting uses. Bwa. Ha. Ha. Ha. Ha!
From his point of vies it was Agrilnost that was commiting attrocities.
He's setting it aside for now, though. There's something to be done, and it needs a ton of shared PP.
Did Agrilnost have any left over power? I can usurp that maybe...
Well he did die...
((A note to those of you reading this... I do not support the killing and looting of your parental figures...
Unless they happen to be zombies.))
I set up AIM, screen name's Wyld Mutation
Other than that...
Why you gotta try to attack me ongor? (I'd already moved anyway...)
Also, we've created too much stuff on this planet to let it all just get destroyed. If no one else wants to save it, I'll spend the 4 PP myself.
Hmmm...we'd end up with two, rival worlds then. That might...that might actually be an interesting setting.
Huh. Either way, I'm happy.
To invest a current god with the power to retain the Plane.
I don't know what concept it would need to be, but its a compromise Thrael'kriss would prefer.
Though a world of dualities would be interesting...
He who controlled it would have absolute power. Assuming they took the time to learn it.
ultimate evil needs to take the time to conceive the inconceivable. If not perhaps Adahan should inherit the sky, ueberroth keeps the sea. He could bind it to him, it IS his element. effectively we have the sky falling on our heads: We need Atlas.
watch careful kids, that's how babies are made.
This is actually pretty intense: A marriage of shadow and earth to maintain the sky. This calls for some serious atmospheric phenomena... Only the Gods man. This is why I love this thread.
Thrael'kriss liklely won't like insects... Unless they can take care of themselves...
Who's gonna play Mothra's part?
Name Ator
Domain Conflict
Unaligned
Ator's symbol is a decapitated image of Agrilnost curled into a spiral.
Ator is bipedal, hairless, and blue skinned. His eyes are pupilless and his tongue is blood red.
As the newborn? Or as a creation born from our fight?
There's a difference, however either way I doubt it'll hurt anything.
You're a game admin aren't you?
Anyway... He gonna harbor some hatred for Thrael'kriss or is he gonna be a blank slate?
But the earth is no-man's land. The crystals are now imbued with my power, yet they belong to Thrael'Kriss.
And the earth now has a name, to boot!
Name: Aell
Domain: Air
Unaligned
Aell's symbol is a dark blue whirlwind on a light blue background.
Aell himself prefers to be incorporeal, merely a voice within the air. When he takes on a corporeal form, he is, as his symbol indicates, a whirlwind of some sort, sometimes no higher than a few feet, but other times a giant tornado towering from the earth and to the end of the sky itself.
Ley lines.
In the original lords of creation, they where just there. Didn't really do much.
But these are literally holding the world together. Without Ley Lines the world will literally fall apart, become a gas giant once again.
Also, Armisael; the world was already saved. The leylines are nice and all, I just don't really get the motivation.
Say that newborn god dies? What happens? the world starts to fall apart again.
The leylines will be helpful given that possibility.
That and they add something new to the world.
Drakir, you were supposed to wait for my PM before posting in the OOC. I was going to give you the air god position anyway, so you can still have it, but follow the rules from now on.
Also, Armisael; the world was already saved. The leylines are nice and all, I just don't really get the motivation.
I see, didn't know that, it was a while since I read the rules. I'll go back and review them right away ;)
Btw, is it ok to start posting IC?
You want me to post it here? Or shall I put it into my portfolio post?
Or Both?
Wyld, do your lycanthrope writeup on the Monster Compendium thread.
How does Ongor feel about fire-sister at the moment Space Dragon?
Can she make amends or would this end with more crushing?
In response to your question, Ongor doesn't actually hate Khadesh. He just saw her carelessly release a balrog (wantonly destructive creature) into the earth, so he decided she was a threat. Combined with the fact that he had already been sent to capture her, this compelled him to act violently.
Currently, Ongor considers Khadesh to be unstable and untrustworthy, but he'd rather not fight her if he doesn't have to. Prove to him that you aren't insane, and things can get better.
The jungle breed still pay strict homage to Thrael'kriss. Not to mention the way they act and think is an echo of Thrael'kriss...
I like your phoenix BTW. Very nice, a cycle unto itself.
and Ongor is seeming to forget that Thrael'kriss held the world's end at bay by sheer force of will.
Had Thrael'kriss gone without acting you may not have had time...
Of course the game couldn't end... So take from that what you will.
The jungle breed are the ones that I spent that PP on. The cave dwellers are culled from the jungle ones, and the jungle tribes bring their sacrifices to the earth titans every year.
Now, you can easily say that not ALL of the jungle tribes accepted Ongor's myth. I didn't mean to imply that. However, a very substantial percentage of them do. Yay sectarian conflict!
Domain: Water, Weather, Life, Lightning, Air
Alignment: Unaligned
Physical Appearance: A wave from which a head an arms can emerge.
Symbol: A deep blue drop of water on a golden background.
Keep in mind that, unlike the air god, your birth was an accidental result of the recent cataclysm. Thus, the other gods won't know about or be expecting you.
Got any plans?
We should find a cartographer to work on a map...
Though there were some side effects of the cataclysm.
Lakes have formed, thunderheads appear in the sky... There are some islands.
Though most of it is fairly inmcomplete... Just make sthe world a little more believable.
Also, it's bound to attract a little attention when a burst of water flows inland and creates a new path.
Except Ueberroth.
And likely least accepting of the "original" gods.
The outsider gods are mostly embodiments of nature, creations that are connected in at least a small way to the cycle. (Khadesh is Fire, you are the Ocean, )
Whereas the original gods are largely apart from the cycle. (Myxirinon corrupts the cycle, Adahan disregards it, Ongor is, well, Ongor)
If you describe the "originals" as Primordials and the "outsiders" as gods via the DnD mythos presented in the book you'll see that Thrael'kriss has more in common with the gods.
Anyway... Even if you razed the entire coastaljungle to make room for your marina thael'kriss would be largely unmoved. Life moves on, The Cycle continues.
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Side not... Why are thrael'kriss children such objects of attention by the other gods? They seem to be getting in trouble wherever they go...
Hell, Ator started a civil war... Though that's something Thrael'kriss should thank him for. Weeding out the weak and all... (Yes you're sowing of conflict is to Thrael'kriss liking Ator. It is simply part of the Cycle in his eyes.)
What is so enrapturing about a few little beast men.
Granted they are the only humanoid race currently... And they are monstrous shapeshifters... And they are primtive, murderous, ravenous, beasts...
OIC!!
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If you guys would like to create your own races that would be cool. And it would be a nice catalyst... The dwarves, stout and hardy, fighting off Lycanthropes...
The stuff of legends...
Accepting myself, though I suppose that's a consequence of my creation. The Cycle incarnated can hardly be unnatural right?
(Adahan disregards it)
OBJECTION!
Adahan doesn't disregard the cycle. In fact, he's planning what you could easily describe as an invasion of all of its fronts, sans plants. It's just that things keep popping up that sap my PP away.
Will need at least two weeks to do it, though. And that's assuming I get a truckload of PP and nothing that demands PP happens.
Just trying to get a better view of the land, which he just doesn't quite understand the reason for. It just appears to be a waste of space to him now, although the creatures and plants are amusing.
Though should you mess it up you'll have a very angry death God on your hands.
If you intend on replacing nature you'll get some resistance. I think I can recruit both Khadesh and Tzu'misel. (Maybe I can get the water god... Though that might cause some friction...)
As for the weather... A little death never hurt anyone.
(Yes that's a joke.)
BTW: Who were the "greater powers" you sensed?
And also: It can be assumed that when not actively engaged in anything Thrael'kriss is dissociated within the collective consciousness of the Cycle. Attempting to escape his notice is pretty impossible unless you're somewhere the Cycle cannot reach. Just a little fluffy tid-bit.
This has been nagging at me for an hour or so...
Is the Cycle a concept or a constant? Is it both? Thrael'kriss is the personification of the cycle. It reflects him, while he reflects it.
A bit of a Paradox I suppose. But the thought jhas been nagging at me. Should I "create" the concept? Or is it assumed as part of my sphere for it is what I personify.
What do you guys think? I have a concept to create, though that can wait and I have no other plans for my PP, should I solidify the Cycle as "mine" (though I doubt any others would be interested in it)?
And Ator is up to something...
Looks like Ator is trying to create a new breed actually. walled up in the city... This could be the catalyst I've been waiting for.
Bravo for formenting civil war... Thrael'kriss could care less about the freaks of nature that got stuck with an herbivore body anyway.
Thrael'kriss cannot create a concept without entering a state of distress. Where other gods it is contemplation, for him it is lashing out.
You read how Thrael'kriss became the death god?
My next concept is Shapeshifters. I just need some way to produce it.
Anyone have a clear synopsis of events? I can't quite grasp what happened, apart from fire-god getting hated, creator-god getting deaded, and then the world almost exploded but it's okay now?
Oh, and ff6shadow - Ueberroth is going to EAT you. ;)
((Maybe not actually, but he's not too happy about what you've gone and done here.))
We have a newborn on the way. A sky god I believe.
There are now Lycanthropes, see my portfolio for details.
Ley Lines now cross the planet, and the Crystakl Spires are a massive artifact.
Myxirinon has claimed Undeath as part of her domain I believe...
Hades has been created...
Mostly we've now got four factions...
You
Me-Khadesh
Adahan
Ongor-Myxirinon
With the following three unplaced
Tzu'misel-Ice God-Sky God
I think that covers the basics...
Oh and I'm on the "bad list" of most of my siblings.
I figured you wouldn't be happy. Part of the reason I exposed my self so quickly. Never hurts to make allies when you start life with creature who proably not be happy about your existance right below you.
Wyld, she created the first undead, but she hasn't actually claimed the concept yet.
Ice titons roam the world
the world was called Galara by Adahan. Dunno if it stuck, but I've been using it.
wait... was that a burn against fire? lol
Considring the first to find you is the Death God and the Demon Goddess...
Well those are some nice allies, since death-boy has pretty much full reign across the world. (Yay for the Crystal Spires!!) And Demon-girl has rebirth as part of her sphere...
Not bad allies to have. Thrael'kriss was rather predisposed to liking you. Mostly because he gets bored with the same weather every day.
That and you can help him get abetter hold on the deep...
Yeah, they are some good allies. But getting a better hold on the deep? Not so sure, Ueberroth scares me a bit, IC. He was there before me, so he probably knows the deep better than I.
(Edit): Not to mention he has as much combiond PP as all three of us at the moment.
I figured you wouldn't be happy. Part of the reason I exposed my self so quickly. Never hurts to make allies when you start life with creature who proably not be happy about your existance right below you.
lol, kind of a secondary joke really: I introduced Khadesh to the world by screaming out of a volcano and into the ocean: I guess it's appropriate water version 2.0 should be more calm about entering the world... but still, a nurse would be necessary for a baby god, no?
Believe me, Water will be opposing quite a bit in a few posts I'm sure. At the moment, Khadesh feels sympathy for your godling: read the fine print. Water and fire never rub well...
As a newborn one of Thrael'kriss first actions was to destroy much of Ueberroth's children, a fit of rage which earned him the death domain.
Thrael'kriss is probably as dangerous, if not more dangerous, than Ueberroth.
He's played a part in many of the "big things" to shake the cosmos of this world.
The Crystal Spires (both incarnations)
The Cycle
The Cataclysm (Agrilnost's death)
He won the battle royale (though I think that was more through stubbornness on my part... Though I maintain that it would have ended with the bullete winning by RAW anyway...)
He covered the world in his perfect hunting ground.
Created the first sentient race. (well... humanoid anyway)
Mostly he just wakes up and goes about committing acts of win every turn. And he's epic. A giant monstrous beat? What's scarier?
BTW: PP is dumped between turns so he's only got 4. True I've only got three, but I have an arifact too. and a race. Can't forget my precious lycanthropes.
Was what a burn against fire?
Yeah, they are some good allies. But getting a better hold on the deep? Not so sure, Ueberroth scares me a bit, IC. He was there before me, so he probably knows the deep better than I.
(Edit): Not to mention he has as much combiond PP as all three of us at the moment.
There's a point about the PP I was meaning to ask Space_Dragon or Delfedd about. By my calculations, I had 9PP when I made the aboleths, and should now have 10 due to the 4 more...but I don't know if it carries over or is just replaced. I wrote my description of the aboleth birth as though Ueberroth did have '9pp' and was absolutely swollen with it, but I'm not sure if that's how it goes...or if PP is just discarded upon a new 'round'. So...10 or 4?
Now, just to make sure this is clear, as mine and delfedd's posts seem a bit confusing in retrospect:
Ongor and Thrael'kriss both told their own versions of the story of Agrilnost's death to the lycanthropes. Ator (delfedd's new god of conflict) then came to the lycans, caused them to divide into two factions (carnivores who follow thrael'kriss' story, and herbivores/cave dwellers who believe Ongor's) and convinced the former to attack the later. Ongor responded by teaching his lycans to make metal weapons.
Though before I implement it...
Should I create the "Cycle" concept or is it just kind of a "given" for me?
There's a point about the PP I was meaning to ask Space_Dragon or Delfedd about. By my calculations, I had 9PP when I made the aboleths, and should now have 10 due to the 4 more...but I don't know if it carries over or is just replaced. I wrote my description of the aboleth birth as though Ueberroth did have '9pp' and was absolutely swollen with it, but I'm not sure if that's how it goes...or if PP is just discarded upon a new 'round'. So...10 or 4?
Its not carried over. You have 4 pp.
That said, however, delfedd and I were talking about amending that rule, so that you can save PP for one turn after you receive it. What do you guys think?
EDIT: for Wyld-you've spent plenty of PP building up the cycle in various ways, so you don't need to Create Concept at this point.
And yeah, PP resets each time.
I'm just glad it's getting interesting. When I first posted, it seemed like everybody went offline and I was going to have to wait until tommorrow.
and fire needs water for rebirth: I burn the forest, you water it and bring it back. I may need to give up rebirth soon and return to destruction, but I need a reason to create my next favorite monster...
oh wait PP isn't stocked so easily. I think it should be for at least one turn: slow and steady should beat burn outs like me, right?
Mostly because so much of the world is my doing. (whether on purpose or through accident.)
You give your followers weapons? I have weapons to grant my followers. (Besides the teachings they have already gained.)
My next concept is going to hopefully shake the foundations of the world.
Mostly because so much of the world is my doing. (whether on purpose or through accident.)
You give your followers weapons? I have weapons to grant my followers. (Besides the teachings they have already gained.)
I hope my next concept (appearing in roughly 5 seconds) will be earth-shaking too. And after that, I really must be off to class.
One thing I want to mention is that I should have confronted cold before water. Woops... the sleeping frost will thaw soon.
Now the world is basically evolution on hyperdrive... Things that should take eons compressed into moments.
Of course some thing are affected more than others, but by and large it makes the world more interesting.
Geological landmarks are now the only thing that can be trusted. The world wil close paths, rearrange them.
If you were willing to help me imbue such a power into the waters it could be done.
Then again... I did just rewrite the fabric of the world...
Not bad for the least "intelligent" god 'eh?
I just like the straightforwardness, lies and secrets aren't my style.
While nobody knows what Thrael'kriss will do they at least know what will set him off. And they at least know that he doesn't necessarilly meant to do it either.
He just is.
He reacted, without thinking as usual, and this is the result.
Nobody said it won;t slow down. But in truth it basically means that the forest you're walkig through can eat you.
Or thaty deer you're chasing? It might try to chase you.
For his own creations it isn't really a problem...
He used his own weapon. And while we have some serious conflict going on it only serves to stop the taint that Ueberroth is spreading, and the taint that the Forsaken are spreading (The Lycanthropes with steel. Thrael'kriss didn't like the steel).
Edit:You forget that the cycle is tied to Thrael'kriss. So aberrations are out of it. Only his own creations are affected.
He gave nature a weapon. that's all it is. Slowed down it might be a bit easier to handle. And if approached with that suggestion Thrael'kriss would join in. He really did react with instinct.
The part you have to remember is that as connected as he is to the cycle he alol but controls it. At least on a subconscious level.
wait... wyld mutation is mutating wildly hahahaha!!!
I have a love of shapeshifters and mutants. Can you tell?
Thrael'kriss has noticed, I want to see what Ongor and Ator do before he fixes it though.
(I have too much obsession with Epic for my own good...)
I'm out. Hopefully Delfedd ad Space Dragon geth there course up before I do. Othwise I'm just going to type it up.
Suffice it to say it'll involve a hell of a lot of pain.
If I'm correct, there's The Sea, A huge jungle dotted with crystals, a massive mountain range that creates areas of rain shadow, the giant mountain/arena/meeting place, and an inland river system that connects to the mountains. There's also the Underdark, the Moon/Dream Sequencer, and the realm of the Dead God Agrilnost. Have I missed anything? Are there any specifics about the geographical relationships between these elements, or are they pretty fluid?
Edit:You forget that the cycle is tied to Thrael'kriss. So aberrations are out of it. Only his own creations are affected.
I'm wondering how this would affect the deep-touched. Obviously they won't always be able to infect the creatures they hunt, but if they infect one of these shapechanging ones, would they be able to shapechange? Would they be locked into whatever form it was infected as? Interesting.
I personally would love a world map.
PS: Out of curiosity, does anybody have PP left?
My next post should make things more ordered again.
Thrael'kriss is made to process that information, can you guys do the same?
I mean we may all be gods, but there are differences among even gods. Limits.
Not to mention the fact that most of the cycle was created by Thrael'kriss. Will it take kindly to a new master?
Theses are question I ask myself when I consider your next moves.
Can a god of the earth and decay handle the seming chaos and destruction of Thrael'kriss' Cycle?
But I think Thrael'kriss should retain the cycle. Getting it from him will be a fairly big problem in the first place. Especially since he's just as likely to take it back.
The problem here is how he doesn't think ahead... Anyone have a fix for that?
We could always kill Ueberroth. Those abominations of his are what pushed Thrael'kriss over the deep end in the first place.
And it is true that the cycle is more than conflict. It is rebirth, death, life.
And even the if it were split between the gods which embody those concepts there is still the problem of whether they can see the pattern. The underlying flow.
Without Ueberroth the cycle would remain perfect even at this speed, it's the abominations skewing it to one side.
Thrael'kriss has already begun to undo the damage anyway. Pain just pushed him over the edge there. He's fixing it. I'm one post away from fixing it anyway...
Well I'm pretty biased...
But I think Thrael'kriss should retain the cycle. Getting it from him will be a fairly big problem in the first place. Especially since he's just as likely to take it back.
The problem here is how he doesn't think ahead... Anyone have a fix for that?
We could always kill Ueberroth. Those abominations of his are what pushed Thrael'kriss over the deep end in the first place.
And it is true that the cycle is more than conflict. It is rebirth, death, life.
And even the if it were split between the gods which embody those concepts there is still the problem of whether they can see the pattern. The underlying flow.
Without Ueberroth the cycle would remain perfect even at this speed, it's the abominations skewing it to one side.
Thrael'kriss has already begun to undo the damage anyway. Pain just pushed him over the edge there. He's fixing it. I'm one post away from fixing it anyway...
Hey, I'm pretty biased towards Ueberroth :P.
I don't think you have to die, anyway, if you're 'fixing' it. Don't forget that the abberations aren't the only whack things, the shadow god is making undead all over, and sun god is making constructs.
Also, I don't think Mixinrion has the PP to create a race. We haven't recharged yet, and didn't Mixinrion use 3PP to help create the new air god?
Those are apart from the cycle. They do not live or die. They simply are.
Whereas Aberrations are within the cycle.
I have an analogy...
The aberrations are a pooison in Thrael'kriss veins.
The creations of the other gods are a fire burning in the distance.
Which is more immediate? Which is more dangerous?
Edit: Some of the more uncontrolled destruction is by Khadesh. I mostly just started a chain reaction. The larger swaths of detruction are poutside influence.
The cycle is still orchestrated, it's just imbalanced, that's happens when you've got a god in massive amounts of pain and rage.
What would happen if Ongor was pushed? Would the world not tremble?
Edit2: You're right this is pushing it though. I have issues with self-control. It's just so boring when gods are all mundane. thrael'kriss is pretty much the opposite of mundane.
He sees the flaw, he is death, and no amount of his power will grant him the domain of life.
It is pretty much not in him. He needs a balancing force. A colleague to help maintain his sanity.
Though it does man a second god locked into the cycle. Preferably one to work with him. The Order to his Chaos. The Sanity to his Madness.
Hell it could even be the Beauty to his Beast.
A second in the Cycle will create a balance of power, Thus preventing the corruption of the cycle.
Because absolute power corrupts absolutely.
so I used my last 3PP from last turn on the new god
then I used 3 of the 4 PP i got from yesterday on the avolakias
I don't think it would be fair if some would loose unspend PP because extra PP is given, cause some run out PP fast while busy with an event.
I've spend the old PP for the god only 26 minutes after the new PP was given. That's in the same day, even the same half hour.
Okay, well.. Now it's only 2pp left. ;P
And yeah, somebody has to hold Wyld in check. First kill his father, then damn near kill cycle as well.
And by my count, there are a grand total of 5 PP scattered about. Ueberroth holds 1, Khadesh holds 1, Aell, holds 1, and Pravus holds 2. I may have missed an expenditure or 2 though. So I doubt we'll see anything interesting pop up until the next refresh
Are we both wrong? Or did the air god come from your previous supply just like Camu.
On the other hand, he did show me the cycle, so I have seen what it takes.
He's not exactly evil.
He just possesses my own love of epic-ness. And I apologize for my tendency to explode. I really don't mean to cause massive problems.
Thrael'kriss is now looking for a balancing force. He even sent out a request at the end of my last IC (canon) post.
As dangerous as he is he only really gets ticked when something unnatural accosts him.
We could imbue bith Tzu'misel and Khadesh with aspects of the cycle. Between the three of us things should be balanced. tranquility, impulse, and abandon. Works for me.
You don't necessarilly need to be as connected as Thrael'kriss, he is the embodiment of the cycle so he's kinda hardwired. If Tzu'misel serves to leash in Thrael'kriss' temper it would work fine.
It isn't like Thrael'kriss meant to produce that last calamity. He fixed it when he realized what was happening.
And finally...
Agrilnost forced his hand. Thrael'kriss did what he had to to protect Khadesh. It's not his fault that Agrilnost resorted to deadly force! If he has listened he would have survived.
Death Thrael'kriss may be, but he is far from evil.
Thrael'kriss is very physical, and you happen to be trhe least physical god so far. (at least as I see it.)
Red Green and blue... colors PERFECT for a totem pole
or pocket monsters... wait, this may not be wise.
Edit: It also makes sense to me, giving us life, death, and rebirth. As soon as I recharge, I'm in for it.
That leaves me with mercy and justice, then.
Edit: Oh, and Dreams and music. But these two are completely unrelated to the ones above.
As well as tie you into the cycle.
Thrael'kriss knows he needs something to stop him from losing control. The moment I have PP again we can do this.
It just has to be worked out in game.
Edit: Ongor seems to be gaining himself some followers... Thgat's all well and good I suppose. Though dissenters like that will have to be cut loose from Thrael'kriss' gifts. (He's already done it to the ones taught to use steel weapons...)
I have plans of actually.. Moving.. Soon. So once Khadesh finishes speaking to Pravus maybe we can trigger more activity by finding/speaking-to others.
As for the other 4 pp I'm not sure where to throw them. We'll just have to wait and see what strikes Khadesh' fancy. I think I may make halflings soon...
I'm all for giving Tzu'misel "Birth" (or something like that) as a concept, if both he and Thrael'kriss pitch in one PP for the concept. It works for fluff, and is economically pleasing.
As for the other 4 pp I'm not sure where to throw them. We'll just have to wait and see what strikes Khadesh' fancy. I think I may make halflings soon...
Maybe it's me, but big K practically SCREAMS "Firesoul Genasi".
And with the connection I'll add the final bindings for Khadesh.
Between the three of us the cycle would be smoother.
Finally... If Khadesh makes a single type of genasi would "adding" a manifestation count as another full race? Or could it be a teach populace thing?
When I get hired it'll actually be my first job. I've been putting it off due to the aforementioned lack of a liscense (I'm alnmost 18, but haven't had a reason to get a liscense as I live in the middle of nowhere.)
I'd say it wen fairly well.
Thrael'kriss is the Guardian of the Cycle. In its entirety. (It should actually be listed in his portfolio. We concluded that the cycle was made so much by Thrael'kriss that it's just an inherent part of him I believe.)
By binding himself to the Cycle he has effectively subjected himself to Thrael'kriss. And the connection does not necessarily go both ways.
You have claimed hold of the Dreamwild (for lack of a batter term), which is an aspect of the Cycle. While Thrael'kriss has little interest in fantasies (he's a predator not a schemer) that does not mean he has any less control over that aspect than any other. (Save the aspect of death, but that is a direct extension of his sphere.) He may have relatively less control than you, but that control is still greater than any other god.
Any god bound to the Cycle is "opened" to Thrael'kriss. Anything which is part of the Cycle is.
thrael'kriss does not have enough interest in fantasies to disput your claim, but there are ramifications to having your consciousness attached to the cycle.
Oh, uh... haha... I guess Khadesh overlooked your wave? eheh
Thoughts?
Also I think the trinity is going to be an inherent part of the completion and part of the forging of the final concept.
I don't think it quite needs to be a concept of its own. More of a "final piece of the puzzle" thing.
PS:
MatthewSwift,
Did you have the opportunity to consider my proposal?
PPS:
Sorry, I'm impatient and know it could easily be overlooked.
Cold is literally the absence of heat. Khadesh is the god of heat... I'd like to suggest a kind of.. Duality, as it were.. Maybe we'd have to "create concept" or the like.. But.. Twin/shared spark is kind of the basic idea. Not necessairly on the mental level, but.. Maybe a link of the "expressed" nature, such as when Khadesh is hurt a similar wound would appear on pravus.
No sharing of spheres of influence or anything.
SO no sharing spheres mate, looks like we're fire and ice ;]
Thrael'kriss is inherently connected to every aspect of the Cycle. He can touch life, rebirth, death, dreams, and just about anything else that is attached to the cycle.
Adahan: He isn't part of the binding. He can touch all parts of the cycle, however he has fairly "little" power outside of dreams.
Khadesh: As part of the Binding she has more power than Adahan when reaching outside of her sphere (due to her connection to Thrael'kriss) and has great power in things dealing with her own sphere. Has partyicular affinity for creatures which follow a cycle of rebirth or fire.
Tz'misel: Same deal as Khadesh. He also enjoys slightly enhanced power when creating outside his own sphere.
I just thought I'd finalize "power level." I think it's fairly fair, giving the "progenitor" the highest "strength" across the board, while the others have great strength in what they are meant to do.
As progenitor of the cycle I figure it's my decision how the relative power levels pan out, as they have little in-game effect. Just show the particualr affinities of each god.
Such for taste, eh? And we are fire and ice, yes. Thanks for the consideration anyway.
@sinasilver: Ongor is Space_Dragon. You post a call for his attention and he should reply tomorrow, possibly sooner.
Thank you all for your assistance.
Though killing a god of death would be pretty ironic...
Regardless. I just let loose a new predator to help my Lycanthropes survive against that traitorous sect that worships Ongor and Ator.
It's gettin to be that time gents... I'll leave Khadesh to her changes, and new race! ;)
And the race seems a tad stacked... is the bonus feat justified?
And Weresquid...
Note to self: Ban Weresquid from being created.
(For those who haven't noticed... There's a guide to creating Lycanthropes in my portfolio post. vAs well as some minimal side-effect fluff.)
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Which means they can be pretty much anywhere.
Damn. I thought I was managing the first non-aberration sentient aquatic creature. Oh well.
Pravus only needed to use create beast. Create Populace is reserved for sentient beings capable of worshipping you (I believe). And Frost Worms aren't sentient.
You did create the first exclusively non-aberrant aquatic race.
Edit: Populace creates races which can be PC races usually. If it isn't playable it's probably a beast. Unless it worships you. And only a sentient being can do that.
You're not saying I made an aquatic race, right..?
Nah, Sinsilver, he was talking to me. And create Beast is 2PP
Only a fraction of Lycathropes are aquatic. therefore they aren't really an aquatic race. Just capable of being aquatic.
I also beefed up the stats for the Lycanthrope racial creation rules in the first post of the creature compendium. And the Aventi have made it to the top post as well.
Will we have any info on the custom titans forthcoming? (This is at Space Dragon)
and I'm sorry if I get cobnfusing. My mind jumps between people and I don't usually pay much attention to cohesiveness. (Or listing names)
However in most campaigns thay'll be balanced well enough.
What do you think of my Lycanthropes?
Hmmm...
Yet another creature I glossed over...
*sigh* I need to go through the MM again.
Edit: OIC! Under giants are they... Someone needs to clarify what different creature "types" are...
I object to that aquatic elf statement though.
Shift ignore difficult terrain...
Feels like an elf to me.
Though they are very different in other respects.
Where do you think my Lycanthropes are OP? Or maybe you think that they just are Powerful?
The end result should be a charactyer that can become a beast and use the beasts attacks instead of utilizing their own class abilities if need be.
Werebear Wizard FTW!!
I'll get to work making it "modular" without breaking it.
I figure:
Soldier: Pack tactics
Skirmisher: "Mobility" (Something to be mobile... Additional point of speed? This almost wants pack tactics...)
Brute: "Brutality" (something involving intimidate I think)
Controller: (Needs something which evokes a leader feel)
Artillery: (This one is hard...)
It's just fairly hard to decide on most of them.
And then there will be breed specific feats... And that reminds me I need to post a Martial Arts feat for my Lycanthropes...
So the shifter will have to learn to ambush or trap them to bring a fight to them.
Soldier: +1 racial AC
Skirmisher: Pack tactics...)
Brute: +2 damage to bloodied enemies
Controller: an adjacent ally gains +1 to saving throw
Artillery: +1 speed, to allow them to get in an attack.
I don't know. the Last two are tough.
My Lycanthropes (they aren't actually Shifters) are natural Rangers. Not to mention the fact that they have more than one "breed" in any given tribe.
A Skirmisher breed will be able to ambush most prey effectively. Including your Aventi.
I have some more things to teach them (which will result in some new feats for them) and some balance to work on in the basic mechanics to differentiate breeds.
As well as posting up their full fluff if I ever get it into a coherent paragraph.
Note also that as per the PhB rules... A chase (to capture a fleeing opponent) is actually a skill challenge. This is to prevent the elves from getting away every time. And the natural bonuses of the Lycanthropes will give them a mimal edge.
Of course there is always just, you know, diplomatic relations. That need not be soon, it suits the Lycanthropes to be a "monstrous" race for a little while that has to work to be accepted by others. They're very like Thrael'kriss in that respect. (Thrael'kriss with his general aura of predatory hunger and destruction is fairly intimidating. Even though he's a protectotr at heart. Kinda like Richard in the Sword of Truth series...)
Edit: I'm getting some sleep while I can. It's 3am in maine right now.
And as for the skill challenge, well, Athletics and Endurance should be pretty good in a chase.
And I'll eventually teach them a few things, but I'm going to give it a little time.
And that series is pretty good. Although Thrael'kriss is a hell of a lot more intimidating.
I like my big hulking beast god of death. and you can't even see him coming because he can look like anything. and so can his favorite subjects.
So everybody cowers in their boots. Hoping that he isn't mad. Even the other god's get a little intimidated when he shows up.
That might be his penchant for flipping out and killing whatever interferes with him.
I couldn't resist musing on my god's awesome might. Now for some seep.
Poison. The Sandman only needs a little door to enter your head...:evillaugh
Take the brunt of the cycle and survive it without him to protect you.
Even gods learn to steer clear of pain. All the paion of existence, not fun.
And trying to enter his mind while he's awake will just evoke a retaliation.
Controlling Thrael'kriss is like trying tyo stop an avalanche.
((Seems very like Thrael'kriss. Too bad Thrael'kriss has taken to locking himself into the otherwhere of the cycle...))
Was that aimed at Pravus, or did I miss something? OOC comments in the IC place confuse me sometimes, sorry. He could well be.. I want him to be very nieve for now. I'd rather have him grow and change as a character. :P
At least from me. I include them as musings sometimes to explain how something works.
But if you read through, I leave many comments when things are going slow.
Also if you read through... Pravus is asking the same questions as Thrael'kriss did at his birth.
Great minds and all that.
It should probably make Adahan a little mad at him I think.
I love being me. I get to hear people from anywhere I like.
There's obviously confusion coming from Pravus. He really thinks he's talking to Ongor.
Thrael'kriss picked up on that. (He's just kind of floating in the Cycle... He's bored and has nothing to do other than that.)
And then he laughed. Because he finds such things humorous.
I in reality know the difference.. but it seemed more amusing to me to have him get confused.
More seriously, yes, gods can trick each other. I think that using our divine power to mask our presence should work unless the other god is using HIS power to discern disguises.
Thrael'kriss can tell what's his xreation and not.
If delfedd had become something not related to Thrael'kriss he'd succeed.
Also, Ator is a creation of Thrael'kriss.
Does Thrael'Kriss have 'em? No. Hence, he's fooled. After all, I think that if he's not paying particular attention to the werebear, a godly disguise should work.
That in itself is a safeguard.
The more important point was that he's still actually dissociated into the cycle and therefore not physically existent. a prayer would have been effective. Semantics yes... But I had a prepared response I needed to get down, and noticed delfedd's post after I'd started writing it.
And Ator is a by-product of thrael'kriss actions. That's different from a creation.
And Thrael'kriss may not be exactly smart. He's very perceptive. He's ahunter, he needs to know what things are, how things are going to go.
Passive Perception and Insight +50.
You are Thrael'kriss. You are the embodiment of death and destruction.
Your presence makes the Tarrasque cower in fear...
And a NPC Commoner lvl1 just walked up to you and tried to start a conversation like it was nothing.
What is the check DC to realize that this mortal is in fact... Not mortal?
I never said he knows whpo you are I said he won't believe the diguise. It is simply too ludicrous.
He doesn't have magic "I can't be tricked" goggles (not yet at least). the situation is just too out there for me to come up with a real response to short of eating you. Or maybe just erasing you.
If he had come up and fell to his knees worshipping, then it would have been a workable disguise.
Not god mode. Simple ludicrous-ness.
Thank you.
I don't want to seeem a jerk.
Does Thrael'kriss seem like the kind of god his people want in their live all the time?
Also, something interesting has happened. Let's see if I'm fit to take the position of god of balance and justice (and mercy, which is why I didn't just kill 'em all).
And some beasts to serve as permanent guardians.
Besides the Gargoyles anyway.
Did you guys forget I made those guys as allies to my faithful? I need to make a PC version...
It'll have to be non-flying...
I repeat, damn. It'd be so much easier to just nuke their minds, but no, I HAVE to play a good god.
They're mortals so short of divine intervention it doesn't cost me anything.
Thrael'kriss isn't "good" for a reason. He's too dangerous. and he enjoys killing things a bit more than is healthy.
though in his defense he's a death god.
BTW: Who has been updating their portfolios regularly?
But nah, that wouldn't be a good idea. Adahan's whole schtick is that he's trying to avoid things that will lead to an escalation. And nuking a race would cause just that. That's why I had to rack my brains to find a nonviolent solution.
'Course, if someone REALLY f**** up, I'm ready to send an army of Anaxim down for some serious punishment, along with an exarch designed for combat only. Good doesn't mean stupid, and I mightn't have death as part of the portfolio, but I sure got BFG's. :P
Oh, wait, they were already bite-sized!!
Thrael'kriss is inevitable. Which makes it so much better when he shows the part of him that is a creator, the part of him that truly loves his children.
Hmmm... I have some aberrations to kill.
You looking for GodMode? ;)
I'll find counters against your arguments.
Because I AM going to use Chantage, mwahahaha (and males will get the ability too).
And if that don't work...well, there's a reason I have max speed + MP switch as a backup plan.
And yeah, that falls under Rebirth, which would be Khadesh' territorey, and it'll be (at least) 3 on our side.
Reraise is rebirth, por rather being brought back...
Which is either undeath or life. I'm saying life.
It could be said to be an aspect of death (preventing it) but hey I'm not going to mince too many words.
Also, if you have two units with Chantage and one is hidden, you can't lose.
the natural extension of Thrael'kriss rage.
Oblivion
the complete destruction. Removal from existence.
And I claim it. If anyone tries to beat me to it they'll be on the recieving end of a very mad Death God. (Which has the same applications strangely enough...)
And a eath god older than evryone but Ueberroth and Ongor.
With more followers, and more power.
Well, excepot for Armisael. He just wants to be in GodMode and beat us all.
Stupid minkey!! (For no reason whatsoever...)
More Dakka.
I can create a quasar, and, being the god of light, harness it. Now, imagine all that energy loaded in to the Dream Sequencer. Now, imagine I transform it into...well whatever I want, there's too many overkills. The result is more or less the same as the Locate City trick on a larger scale.
Though you can't do oblivion. You control death as part of the cycle, AKA from predator to prey, not all death.
Edit: 'Course, nothing like this would ever get used. This is all like a Cold War. The first to fire loses.
It doesn't need to be linked to the cycle.
And I handle death so I can just say "No" and you can't kill anything. I basically tell you your plan won't work because I refuse to accept any deaths.
I win because you can't enact oblivion without being able to kill/destroy them.
I love this kind of stuff.
Heh, there mightn't be death, but then there's the problem of dealing with useless, insane, tormented vegetables.
Just stop.
Seriously. We get it. You're god is so badass and cool and can wipe all the other gods.
MatthewSwift's definitely right though. It's supposed to be playable.
It's all part of the plan. :P j/k
Though if you wish us to stop I will.
Until I forget in like 3 days anyway.
delfedd do you want Thrael'kriss gone?
Or is it just Ator?
I hope Ator knows what he's doing.
Oh and MatthewSwift: I'll see if I can come up with the power Thrael'kriss grants his clerics... and the qualities he looks for.
You should certainly keep the cycle, but I think conflict might have just scored death...
thrael'kriss won't hand it over unless conflict actually does battle.
Waiting is not a battle. It is a cop-out.
And that aside I'll eat Conflict before long.
It's 2am. I'm dealing with this on 4 hourse of sleep I got 24 hours ago.
Thrael'kriss won't concede. Simple as that.
No matter what you guys are going to say. Cheating is not winning.
He didn't want me to have an immortal creature (IE the bulette from the last battle) because that would ruin the storyline he has.
Thrael'kriss is totally eating him.
I promise you though, I'm using this tale in my current campaign. (except with summoners instead of gods... the gods are sleeping)
"All war is deception."
Sun Tzu
;) g'nite y'all.
Also
"Try killing even one of my creatures, and I'll attempt to kill one of yours."
I'm done.
I'll keep the Creature Compendium updated so you guys can use it.
PS: I have an artifact you don't IIRC. I get +1 attack.
While that was a clever trick on Ator's part, and I will rule in delfedd's favor about the landshark's mortality, Thrael'kriss doesn't have to follow the rules. You agreed to give him death if your creature lost? Well, tough beans, maybe you lied. There's no in-game consequences for that other than Ator getting mad at you, which I'm sure you don't care about.
I forgot to do that. Make a river Styx or something to swear on.
In any case, there's a retraction offer.
This is about perfectly cinematic speeches being ignored.
Thrael'kriss outright saying he could not have the domain and being ignored.
Let me put it this way.
Imagine your me.
You have just spent twenty minutes typing up a world changing event.
There are two possible ways the rest of the game can take it. You give them the choice.
They can:
1) Say "Cool, a world where things can change at any moment? Unique? Unpredictable? Aesome!"
Or
2) "OMG! Another calamity! Nothing will survive!"
You have at least three gods utterly opposing you. attempting to control or destroy your creations.
You know something? If Delfedd had PM'd me and said "I need to win this as part of my story arc" I would have been fine.
I made a prefectly cinematic thing, in preperation for a fight.
It is within Thrael'kriss power to have creatures which don't die.
I don't care about losing.
I hate being railroaded. Basically Delfedd said "Nope, your counter to my riddle can't be done because I want this to pan out my way."
And then I returned with "I am not bound to give you my power for this. You did not win. Time won."
And he goes "Too bad so sad, you have no say."
That is what's ******* ******* me off.
Had Delfedd either PM'd me, or beat nme fair and square I wouldn't be ******.
Last night it was literally 2:30 AM when I was writing that. In a totally ***** mood.
But the feeling of basically being told "My story arc is more important that your perfectly logical counter" still stands.
I spent 3 hours earlier yesterday tryiong to get a point accross. I finally managed it by saying "Look at it from my point of view."
Maybe looking at it from my point of view will make you understand why I'm frustrated, andgry and generally wanting to break something.
Now: I have an artifact, I could beat Ator in combat and take back my my sphere assuming we had equal PP. So obviously that isn't the problem.
Ator basically said "I know I can't beat you. So I'll just trick you."
Which both In Charactyer oand Out of Character really ticks me off. It isn't about a disagreement. It's about basically being gipped oiut of an amazing fight sequence, because as I said "Too bad, so sad. You can't do anything because we're in my story."
I fix every cataclysme I cause. I spent three pagescreating an unneeded "check" against Thrael'kriss because every tijme I do something epic and cool it turns into a cataclysm or "isn't allowed" because someone thinks it will ruin their fun or something.
I give a way out of my actions. I don't say "Oh no, this is what happens."
Now in the interest of sanity I was stubborn at the battle royale. But really? It was the highest level creature, with RAW tactics that make it almost impossible to touch 1v1 or even 1v2 or 1v3, and had the blessing of the death god. In any favle it would have one and it was a chance to solidify my creatures as top of the food chain.
I was screwed out of a cool fight and then told "No your opinion isn't valid."
Antyone else think they'd want to play a game after that?
And yeah, a constantly shifting environ isn't what we call playable. It's more suited for an abyssal environment.
See, your thing is fighting. My god knows that he can't win a fight against Thrael'kriss. Even my strongest creation can't defeat yours in a one on one fight. So I tricked you.
Again, if you don't want to give up death, I can delete that post.
Also, the thing is you can't just go in and retcon the mortality of the bulette.
In short; you haven't been screwed, Delfedd has no more power over the game world than you do. Stop whining.
I just want people to read and think about my posts and not think "Nope doesn't fit my image."
It's a collaborative effort. You want the bulette to die? It's going to take longer than three months. But if you want it to die it will.
Thrael'kriss said you did not win in his eyes, and therefore do not deserve the domain.
It isn't really about the domain anyway. It is really just about me getting stepped on. And my contributions.
The agreement ws that if you won. Now Thrael'kriss views it that there was no battle, only waiting, and therefore no god won.
Even if I had won, in a fair battle, I wouldn't have taken your sphere. Thrael'kriss would have just said "Keep you puny sphere. I have grander things to do." And that would be that.
An environment that changes would have been interesting. It doesn;'t need to be chaoic about it. Maybe the landscape only changes evry hundred years or so? Just because the entirety was changing moment to moment doesn't mean all at once. Just something.
My problem is in being ignored. Or haviong my creations and actions either become calamities or adapted to another's purpose. I understand that most of the environment is resultant from me.
But what about Ueberroth's slimy things in the underdark? What about Adahan's moon? Ongor's underdark?
They get ignored because all the gods on "my side" want to creat and perpetuate the cycle. Whereas the "other side" is against me and wants to pretty much drive me into the ground.
There are a few neutral parties Myxirinon is one of them. And Pravus. But largely all of the attention of the gods is focused at the surface, and aimed against me.
I feel as though I have a big bullseye on me and people are trying to get as many shots in as they can. And it is frustrating. Having most of my followers wiped out or converted. Having the aberrations ignored by all but me. Undead. Constructs.
And on top of that my counter arguments being ignored. Would you like to be in my position? Do you want to be the beast god? Have everyone in the universe constantly vying against you? I have 2 allies, neither of which are as focused on my "enemies" as my "enemies" are focused on me. So I'm alone, and I have to write a story arc so that people will take my actions as anything besides a calamity. So I'm running on empty, all my creations get stolen so I don't even have a populace to lord over. And my creatiins were mortal mes!
Would you guys be all like "Oh that's OK. I didn't care anyway. Any plans I had are ruined because I was trying to apeases the greater populace, so I'll just start from scratch."
You know what? I basically said that. And then I have to deal with trickery and being utterly ignored. Oh yeah. Oh, I'm a happy camper.
You want to know how I want to respond to your post?
Thrael'kriss response
"As Ator moved away pain blossomed in his consciousness. Death tearing him apart from the inside out.
He screamed as the power drained away. His price for refusing to heed the death god.
You have not won. Nor could you have won. You have allowed tricks to do your work for you. You are weak, you will not have death.
He screamed as the power drained away. His price for refusing to heed the death god.
You have not won. Nor could you have won. You have allowed tricks to do your work for you. You are weak, you will not have death.
You killed a huge number of Ueberroth's creations for not fitting your image of the cycle.
You killed Agrilnost, who Ongor looked up to.
You basically took over the surface world.
Your god has made a lot of enemies. For sensible, in-game reasons. Don't try to say you didn't see it coming. Thrael'kriss is an impulsive god, and many of his decisions have gotten other gods ticked off at him. You painted that bullseye on yourself.
I'm not saying there's anything wrong with how you're playing your god. Far from it, I like Thrael'kriss quite a bit. In character, however, Ongor hates him for killing his father and wants to see him dead. Its all about roleplaying.
I still think you're getting the rough end of it, though.
I don't really mind. But I am one god against three. Two if you count Adahan's sometimes help.
I don't mind the bullseye. I just dislike being railroaded for someone's story line.
I've made enemies for my impulsiveness. I've also amost single-handedly created a world for them. A world filled with worshippers, sacrifices.
I mean really? Agrilnost died for failing to heed the good of the Cycle. I can live with the enemies that made me.
I can't deal with people people saying "Nope, mine."
Yah I intend to break Thrael'kriss word. I did anyway. Last night I was ****** and I'm trying to impress upon you why.
I'm also in about three seconds going to turn your Titans to mush with a thought, and send the Undead to Hades as well. A god killing a bunch of things shouldn't be too hard.
Now that said: How much PP does everyone have? There was no announcement for refills that I can see.
1) No one ('Cept Ongor) is trying to bring you down.
2) The reason everyone ignores the "threats" is simple: None of them have yet done something bad. The aberrations are intelligent creatures. They have free will. Unless they start doing something evil (Like the giants did. Notice how I reacted quickly to the threat when they overstepped their boundaries?), there's no reason to go against them.
The constructs are, for now, nonexistent, and later on will (for the most part, some of them will be sapient too) be tools, nothing more.
As for the undead, there's only one reason, at least for me, for which I'm not just blasting them with lasers, and it's that I don't have any realistic reason to know about them. I'm in a void, am too inexperienced in manipulating the ley lines to focus on a specific place for now, and they can't be tracked through them as they don't dream and aren't part of the cycle. Once Adahan returns, things are likely to change, but to act now would be pure metagame.
3) If you didn't want the werewolves taken from you, you should have said they have your teachings ingrained in their minds. Notice how I had to spend PP to brainwash the giants and titans and avoid conflict. Had you said that they are, indeed, mortal yous, I'm sure everyone would have agreed that, at the very minimum, 3 PP would need to be spent to turn PART of them away from you due to how their essence makes subversion difficult. No one can read your mind. If you don't express how X shouldn't be so easy and offer a possible solution, you can't expect someone else to do so.
Edit: As for PP, I think everyone is dried out or close to it.
3) If you didn't want the werewolves taken from you, you should have said they have your teachings ingrained in their minds. Notice how I had to spend PP to brainwash the giants and titans and avoid conflict. Had you said that they are, indeed, mortal yous, I'm sure everyone would have agreed that, at the very minimum, 3 PP would need to be spent to turn PART of them away from you due to how their essence makes subversion difficult. No one can read your mind. If you don't express how X shouldn't be so easy and offer a possible solution, you can't expect someone else to do so.
I'd like to address 3 on a personal issue - just because I've taken for granted that abberations wouldn't be part of the 'underworld' thing or be able to be turned to undead, purely because their alien physiology and more importantly minds just doesn't mesh with it. They don't have 'souls' to make into ghosts/etc, and their minds, even after dying, wouldn't be receptive to necromantic revival.
In the same sort of thing, I couldn't see the Deep-touched trying to convert undead (at least, succesfully), although maybe aboleths would try to enslave them.
I'm also in about three seconds going to turn your Titans to mush with a thought, and send the Undead to Hades as well. A god killing a bunch of things shouldn't be too hard.
Now that said: How much PP does everyone have? There was no announcement for refills that I can see.
Keep in mind that you will need an avatar in order to directly destroy armies of mortals, unless you use Shape Land or something to crush them.
New PP will be handed out this afternoon.
Keep in mind that you will need an avatar in order to directly destroy armies of mortals, unless you use Shape Land or something to crush them.
New PP will be handed out this afternoon.
I have three PP left, give me a minute!!
(I have lost so much PP because I've been forgotten like that (albeit due to my own absence)
)It's not really that they were taken from me. I can get them back.
It's just all the focused fire. My domain is basically being inundated and I'm pretty much alone against it.
I don't mind what's happening. I was up at 3AM I was mad because 1) No fight. 2) Ignoring Thrael'kriss flat out saying no.
It gets under your skin when you've had no sleep for 24 hours.
I do the best I can against the armies invading me, but since I have to go off and find something to "fix" the cycle I'm pretty tapped out.
And Armisael: Point 1) is wrong on yours. It's Ongor Myxirinon and Ator together.
Now I intend, when I have some PP, to ingrain teachings so that I get some back, and make it clear that the ones I take back are mine.
As for that army: Can I just sic some bulettes on it? If not I'll jist create an exarch and an army. Their name shall be...
The Right Hand of Death.
the undead that exist ingame at the moment are corpses animated by binding a shadow to them.
with this mechanic, i assume it is possible to even create an aboleth or deep touched zombie/skeleton
The result may be a bit catastrophic. An exarch would be much safer is all.
We need to finalize level ranges for our avatars. Level 45? Maybe?
It might seem like I've been whining, but I haven't. I was trying to communicate frustration. I'll still join in, and Ator is about to feel very pained.
is there anything those spires can't do? Because there very much the awnser for everything from you
They cannot kill the giants. Unless I use actual power through them.
They do produce power. Which is raw life force basically. So either the Undad are attracted to them or tehy are destroyed. and since the Spires are indestructible for all intents and purposes...
Mostly I use them for cinematic purposes. they are connected to me through their creation and I use them to project my will.
So coe up with something and I'll tell you if I can do that with the Spires Alone.
Because Thrael'kris doesn't speak usually I use the spires to illustrate a point.
The list of things they do:
1) Produce Power (Primal)
2) Produce Light
3) Produce Sound (A hum)
4) Serve as a conduit for power (Thrael'kriss' own)
5) Reinforce the natural cycle near them
Number 1 and 5 are anathema to undead. All of the effects are the ones I instilled in them at their creation.
Beyond that they are a connection to the cycle for mortals that know how to utilize them.
They in themselves are not enough to stop your army, but they can slow it down. Basically I'm using a cinematic aid to show that I know what's happening. It has no real mechanical effect. Your Undead are still advancing, some are just not doing so well.
I assume that does not step on anybody's toes? The Crystals, because of their connection to Thrael'kriss often have a reaction to his mood. Humming or glowing more forcefully, producing strange effects on the Cycle, etc. Unless I actually spend strength and do something you can usually assume it's just for show. Or to get a point accross.
I could say "Thrael'kriss appeared and started teariong through the army" and if I didn't spend anything I'm not going to win (at least not right there).
You want to know what they can't do?
They do not bring back the dead (on their own at least)
They do not kill any living creature (on their own at least)
They do not cause any harm to gods (not any mechanically relevant harm)
Basically anything they do has no mechanical relevance unless I psend the power to make it relevant. Story aid, and a way of underscoring Thrael'kriss moods and such.
Relax, you're army's fine.
I'd say that counts as an Attack God 0 with +1 from an artifact. The spires can't hurt living beings, but hitting undead seems believable.
They are his weapon.
But outside of being used to create really cool imagery, they have little mechanical effect. Unless I pay for it.
so, just checking
Also, the spires aren't a combat artifact. You can't gain a bonus for zapping.
If you notice you are razing a forest... Without spending PP. No mechanical relevance, so I responded with something mechanically irrelevant.
Relax and enjoy the cinematic. The Undead getting close to the spires are being inundated with life-energy and it has a consequence. Nobody said the whole army was getting destroyed, nobody said they were zapping.
They are simply doing something they were meant to do. Reinforce the cycle.
Now if I spend power the artifact will of course ba able to do whatever I feel like uysing it to do. It is a font of power, how that power is utilized is up to me. Right now I just boosted the output.
Later maybe I'll use them to just start really zapping things.
Unless an artifact that serves as a font for primal energy is incapable of putting that energy to use for me? I mean if you want to pay it that way...
The artifact is an artifact that produces power. Primal power. Under most circumstances that just kinda sits there, but is there any reason I wouldn't be able to use it to aid me? Considering I don't make any attempt to say that it aids me in any other way?
Now if we could all stop splitting hairs? Relax, if something has no mechanical relevance pretend it doesn't exist.
And the death of thousands of mortals has a bit of relevance.
However, this isn't divine combat. This is a mortal war with divine encouragement. The spires being able to weaken undead who get too close is reasonable. Destroying them is a little heavy handed, but still within the limits of acceptability.
At any rate, it doesn't matter at this point, because Ongor smashed most of them.
I like your reaction though.
now the avolakais just are even stronger in raising undead
Well the Crystals produce power. My argument for using them in combat is that I can use ther powerr o aid me.
It doesn't really matter yet anyway, since our gods aren't fighting in person.
I like your reaction though.
Thanks.
And you are welcome. You pointed out quite the flaw in the effects of the Spires.
that power can be harnessed.
This reminds me...
Remember the Quasar plan I mentioned a few posts back? The one with the link to More Dakka?
It seems more and more tempting the more time passes. I wonder what actions would that consist of?
The current system for divine combat is a little too costly in terms of PP. Instead, perhaps it would be better to adopt the following system:
1. Your base PP for the turn is your beginning combat bonus. For instance, if you started this turn with 5 PP, your base combat bonus is +5 until the next time PP is given out.
2. Attack God costs a flat rate of 1 PP.
3. Exarchs, Artifacts, and Divine Realms give the same bonuses as before.
We'll put this to a vote. What do you guys think?
Also:
I'll create a short guide to the Crystal Spires ( I figure I never did manage to create a clear purpose as to how they fubnctiuon for their controller) as well as the relevant Artifact item to them.
I never did get around to that, they are an artifact, and so I suppose I should have written up the stats. It's not that I didn't intend on it, I just wasn't sure as to what a mortal would gain from haviung a shard of one of the Crystals.
I'm not against a new system, but I think resource management and strategy SHOULD factor in it.
wish there was a way to roll off diific combat... in front of everyone. Is there a random number function on these forums or something?
a d6 would be enough...
Or an unbiased third party with a pair of d6...
Only while I work out the kinks.
He's a skirmisher, similar to bulettes, and I'll have to tone down some of Orcus'attacks, and instead make a multiple attack chain.
Just think of him like letting Thrael'kriss loose on the poor little army. Well...
That's more than he is. But you get the idea.
Also, I find it amusing that Ongor multiplied his earth elemental to block my forces. I had no intention of sending my people. I was just providing a defense and Ueberroth's upward movement. I've got to think of something useful to do.
Also, I find it amusing that Ongor multiplied his earth elemental to block my forces. I had no intention of sending my people. I was just providing a defense and Ueberroth's upward movement. I've got to think of something useful to do.
Really? I totally misunderstood your post, then. Hang on, let me edit accordingly.
Edit: fixed.
And there are plenty of things to do about it. Run away, call in an ally, etcetera.
Regardless, I'm going to be away for roughly a day again :|
They produce power. the run-off can be utilized by mortals.
However a God that controls the Crystals can utilize the vast energies of the crystals. different gods utilize ity in different ways, and the crystals can be affected by gods besides the one that controls them.
For Thrael'kriss the Crystals function like steroids, mixed with crack. Granting him power to wield in combat.
However were another god to claim the Crystals (they would likely have to take them by force, and I would prefer to OK it out of game) they might utilize the power differently.
NMore than just swords are useful in combat. Armor would give you an edge. A powerful magical effect could help you.
So while the Crystals are not combat weapons they are not useless in combat. They give Thrael'kriss greater strength and stamina, quicker reflexes. Adrenaline, steroids, and crack mixed into a paste and directly injected into the heart. Good stuff.
(I made it very clear that they produce power which camn be harnessed when I made them, it's logical that a god can harness a greater amount of the power than mortals, and that the controller harnesses still greater.)
If several gods attack a deity, there combat bonusses stack right? (like in the old LoC, or not?)
That way we know which god actually won and all that.
Whereas the one must activate an attack god against both of them.
My reasoning? The proposed rules change for combat makes it all but impossible for the third deity to survive if the combat is resolved any other way.
You then treat each individual attack god pair as individual battles. And spend PP on each action independently.
Otherwise 1v2 the one always loses unless he has a signifigant number of bonuses.
Also, the spires don't give you a combat bonus because they're not a weapon or armor. If you had spent PP on a series of spires that affect the whole world all the time, and a separate Artifact for say a medallion that increases your adrenaline, then that'd work.
I lack the patience.
Though: What mechanical effect (measurable) have the spires on the game?
First off, That's the kind of thing you write down when you make the artifact. Not 7 pages later.
The Spires bolster all non-aberrant creatures. Mostly because the "laws" for abberant creatures are different from normal. so Myxirinon's creations will be "helped" as well as any other creations. Except Constructs (sorry Adahan).
Though in all seriousness my Spires do sustain the world in their own fashion...
The Crystal Spires worked to inundate the world with enrgy. Seeking to heal the wounds inflicted from Thrael'kriss loss of control.
I need somebody to help balance out the cycle. Wresting it from Thrael''kriss isn't really enough since he has such a connection to the world through the Crystal Spires.))
The Crystal Spires glowed with power. The raw strength of which anathema to the undead among the giants.
((I figure the Spires are anathema in the first place, Thrael'kriss is using them as a weapon. Distilled life-force driving the strength from the undead.))
There you go. A full list of everything that the spires can do.
The thing is whenever the spires do something (even relatively mechanically effectiv) I end up having to explain them all over again. On top of citing a reason they aren't requiring PP (mostly because it is entirely fluff).
Which is why I asked for a measurable effect. The overall effect of the spires is hard to produce an exact stat-0spread for, whereas individual chunks that would normal be used by mortals are much easier (IE: Individual shards which are artifacts to mortals but not necesarrily helpful to gods, which I do intend to give stats for as "minor artifacts" created by the "major" artifact).
My quetion is "How do you measure what the Spires do?" (I did write down what they do, I simply lacked anyway to measure them. A rundown on what the spires are is in my portfolio IIRC.)
So can you answer that question? What In-Game effect do they have and how would you measure it?
An don't spout back my explanations. I am completely aware of what is explained, I simply want to know how to measure the effects.
Since as I created them I would of course prefer somethiing beyond the scope of what other may deem fair. I was going with the combat bonus because it's fair by the rules, the remainder of explanation has little impact beyond interesting fluff-bits on the game. Unless I spend something to make it an impact. At which point it is Thrael'kriss doing the work and the Spires are simply a medium used to flavorfully express the results.
Note: I'm actually attempting to stat-out the spires and their "lesser" version the shards (which are what mortals would use in ways). It is simply beyond my scope of balance and such to produce something mechanically believable which represents the power of the Spires as they are not an artifact in the traditional sense, and therefore I have nothing upo whic to base thie stats. Do you understand my difficulty here?
Edit: Looks like I never placed the full explanation in my Portfolio, which means it's in the siddebar of one of my posts, I'll hunt it down and perform some clarification on it I suppose.
Also, the spires are not an artifact in the traditional sense. Ergo, you don't gain combat bonuses.
The in game effect is that they effectively control the world. Isn't that enough?
Anyway... As for the bulettes.
Two points:
Specific creation... Formed from the bulette Thrael'kriss had previously blessed.
"Primoridal" is conventionally attached to an elemental creature. When I did the stats for the bulettes I just did copy/paste and made a few word and number changes. I usually don't pay much attention to the creature line, so I never realized that under convention they should be elementals, like the Primordial Hydras.
In fact until about a week ago I didn't even have the right name in the attacks.
Stupid Jedi.
Though I don't think thrael'kriss would go that route. More like using it to blow holes in people (not gods just people)... well they are power reservoirs.
Maybe they claim my forest as my own place? I spent 3 PP on them, and while they do "cover" the world they are mainly focused at the heart of my claim. Giving me a bonus (not as much as a planar bonus) when in my forest.
It's just a thought.
Edit: I just really like blowing things up. It's invigorating.
Or something to that effect. Some are damaged but there's a whole forest of them still. And whatever they have touched outside of the forest by now.
On the other hand: I'm not in the forest so if they did give a "proximity bonus" it wouldn't matter.
I was simply making a sugestion to illustrate a mechanical effect, as was Armisael.
Also, I have a question for MathewSwift. What did you mean about the heroes being on your side? Neither side has any mortal hero characters, to the best of my understanding. And even if your side did have the "heros," that wouldn't mean anything in terms of the procedings. Ancient legends of heroes dying in battle are a must-have for any world.
And aside from that. I like the feeling that your latest post gives of Thrael'kriss being so Bad*** that other gods are actually afraid of him.
It helps me to stay calm and not have him eat you.
Ongor isn't SURE if he's afraid of Thrael'kriss or not. Even if he is, its not a fear of Thrael'kriss in person. Its a fear of what he represents; wildness, irrationality, uncontrollability. Ongor is NOT afraid for his life. You aren't any more powerful than him on an individual basis (except getting a +1 from your exarch, which is a very recent development and one easily countered). I'll edit my IC post so it is no longer misleading.
Honest to god, you need to stop ranting and raving about how badass Thrael'kriss supposedly is. I have nothing against you doing so in character, but stop douching up the OOC.
And there is oe god that is (at least seems to be) afraid of him.
My pint was aimed more that he actually has a presence.
I will try to make sure I post the purityy if the statement instead of why I find it amusing.
I see where this land struggle was going now! We have "nations" under the gods arising from the tribes of Thrael'kriss...
Thrael'kriss' chosen
my Nomadic Cindersworn
Myxinirons Necrocracy
The "Thudskull" Mountain giants
The warriors of Ator (it will be interesting to see what happens in his lands)
The Frost titans of Pravus' Continent
The Dragons
... I wants a map so I can create the first desert around the volcano Khadesh was born. I'll start sketching, but my skills with a tablet are rude at best. I'll give it a shot unless someone has a better option.
After the fall of Agrilnost and creation of the Spires the major feature of the world was a forest (studded with Spires) that covered the majority of the surface.
We have at least one mountain-range, and ocean, lakes, rivers...
Now a portion of forest (enough for a country) was destroyed by this war thing and made into an undead... Haven? Paradise? I don't know.
The question is on orientation.
Also the largest Spire (massive as it was the first and has continued to grow) is in Thrael'kriss most hallowed ground, the seat of his "domain" some miles inward from the shore. It should have remained untouched by the fight I think.
And you can create some deserts, and everything on the other side of the mountains should probably be plains instead of Jungle, the spires would probably remain though much less in abundance than in the jungle, to keep things organic.
The mountains would have evergreen forests, a few crystals (as a creation of Ongor the moiuntains are fairly resistant to the crystal's incursion).
Anything I'm missing from teh surface world?
I see where this land struggle was going now! We have "nations" under the gods arising from the tribes of Thrael'kriss...
Thrael'kriss' chosen
my Nomadic Cindersworn
Myxinirons Necrocracy
The "Thudskull" Mountain giants
The warriors of Ator (it will be interesting to see what happens in his lands)
The Frost titans of Pravus' Continent
The Dragons
You're forgetting my soon-to-enter-the-game Sidahri Oneiromancers and Bards. :P
The rest does indeed need maps, but as IC I don't touch there I can't make musch of a claim in how it looks.
BTW: I have a plan that I'll be enacting, one which for once won't cause a cataclysm or a war. Hopefully.
It's actually pretty refreshing. For once it isn't "I'm a sun god, so I'm absolutely unquestionably good!"
Instead you've got "I'm a sun god. I want the best for the world, but I'm willing to do things of questionable morality to do so."
It gives you more character.
Unfortunately I'm pretty generic: "Me hulking beast. Me Kill!!"
Edit: Well most of the time... He's been growing up.
You're forgetting my soon-to-enter-the-game Sidahri Oneiromancers and Bards. :P
Right...my mind reading abilities seem to be slipping ;)
so far I have a real light overview of a single earthen continent that covers about half of the surface of the world (There should be islands, but we haven't focused on them) As well as an ice continent (I was fairly generous with it). Since North South East West make little difference at the moment (I have not accounted for weather orientation or any fun stuff like that too much). I have two main mountain ranges, and two major volcanos (Khadesh' cradle, and the Balor' home). I have the rivers of Tzu'misel, and the necrotic woods of Myxiniron. I have a small patch of plains thus far neglected (A result of the giants push from "the western heights") and spires everywhere, but only the ones in the forests truly all that active. The massive chrystal spire in the heart of the Hunter's Jungle... Hell, gimme a sec to convert it and post the rough draft.
Speaking of God's growing up, I think this is kinda the early teens for most of our dieties... Who wants to make some godlings? Is anyone on the waiting list?
Evilgod: I'll consume thy souls, puny beings!
People: HELP!
Me: *releases 10 elevated to the 40th power Watts converted to force*.
Evilgod: *is reduced to a fine red mist*.
People: Yippie! We're safe!
Me:
That, or the other thing I do: Constantly keep acquiring concepts that fit the Grand Plan, thus giving me more avenues of experimentation.
Right...my mind reading abilities seem to be slipping ;)
so far I have a real light overview of a single earthen continent that covers about half of the surface of the world (There should be islands, but we haven't focused on them) As well as an ice continent (I was fairly generous with it). Since North South East West make little difference at the moment (I have not accounted for weather orientation or any fun stuff like that too much). I have two main mountain ranges, and two major volcanos (Khadesh' cradle, and the Balor' home). I have the rivers of Tzu'misel, and the necrotic woods of Myxiniron. I have a small patch of plains thus far neglected (A result of the giants push from "the western heights") and spires everywhere, but only the ones in the forests truly all that active. The massive chrystal spire in the heart of the Hunter's Jungle... Hell, gimme a sec to convert it and post the rough draft.
Don't forget that there's the equivalent of a massive web enveloping the planet, AKA the ley lines.
As for this...
Speaking of God's growing up, I think this is kinda the early teens for most of our dieties... Who wants to make some godlings? Is anyone on the waiting list?
I was planning to make a god of war once I've my race going.
Also, tsk, tsk. Teenagers shouldn't be doing the deed yet! :P
http://krymsonkyng.deviantart.com/art/Galara-Map-1-98501303
did you also include the arena?
Also, I don't think Slaaneshi cultists can calm followers of Khorne down. Rather, I'd follow demonic tradition and create Manes to keep them entertained.
ah, got it. Ley lines = world fluff. They ascend from the spires across the continent... good or no?
Doh. I mean after.. I only have 1pp right now. :P
I see where this land struggle was going now! We have "nations" under the gods arising from the tribes of Thrael'kriss...
Thrael'kriss' chosen
my Nomadic Cindersworn
Myxinirons Necrocracy
The "Thudskull" Mountain giants
The warriors of Ator (it will be interesting to see what happens in his lands)
The Frost titans of Pravus' Continent
The Dragons
Unless this is only land nations (or only nations part of the 'cycle'?), don't forget the aboleths. They're the smartest species on the entire planet, and their cities dot the ocean floor and their control extends up into the underdark (and more recently, the shores and rivers).
Matthew, for your map, I assumed the Ice Continent was on the north side of the map. My new chain of islands is about twice the length of the smaller mountain chain to the southwest of the mainland. And it is composed of a simgle large island surround be numerous smaller ones.
Thrael'kriss - 2
Khadesh - 4
Adahan - 2
Pravus - 1
Aell - 4
Has anybody even seen or heard from the air god since his first post?
3 posts, 2 on the 15th, 1 on the 16th.
The 16th was the in character, post 329. He spawned Chromatic dragons and hasn't posted since.
I can't wait to have some new PP. Between my new concept and the ideas I've got in my head, Adahan'll awe your pants off.
A) 3 PP for the concept of dreams.
B) 3 PP for the concept of music.
C) 3 PP for the Dream Sequencer.
D) 3 PP to create the Sidahri.
12 PP in all. But finally, it is done.
(New PP: Ongor 6, Myxiniron 6, Thrael'kriss 5, Tsu'misel 5, Ator 5, everyone else 4
By the way, there's a reason Ongor and Myxiniron have more than everyone else, and it isn't favoritism. Let's see who can figure it out.)
I'm willing to assume it has to do with number of spheres and populaces guided for worship. :P
PS: We really need an easier place to find the domains and descriptions etc. of the gods than having to dig through all the pages we have.
That would make things simpler, and give a place to talk about concepts and preference in worshippers.
As for the portfolio thing, it's easier to simply list concepts, races, and monsters in the post that has the template of our god. It's what I've been doing.
Also, I'm 95% sure that PP is solely determined by the number of populations under your control, which explains the PP listings pretty well. I'd prefer the calculation to take spheres of influence and other creations into account, but that's still good. It just means that the best strategy is to rush and create five races, to get 9 PP for the rest of your career until someone else catches up, then keep making races so that you have the most of 'em by a large margin.
I'd say that, unless you get some members of the race, you'd have to teach it again, at least for now, since there's pretty much no contact between the races.
As for the portfolio thing, it's easier to simply list concepts, races, and monsters in the post that has the template of our god. It's what I've been doing.
Also, I'm 95% sure that PP is solely determined by the number of populations under your control, which explains the PP listings pretty well. I'd prefer the calculation to take spheres of influence and other creations into account, but that's still good. It just means that the best strategy is to rush and create five races, to get 9 PP for the rest of your career until someone else catches up, then keep making races so that you have the most of 'em by a large margin.
I don't think it's populations, or my PP would have gone up and not down.
Also, for some reason, this is incredibly reminiscent of Black and White. When do we get our Creatures? :P
And as far as Pravus' tyrannical frosty fist is concerned:
Khadesh sez FREEEEEEEEEEEDOM!
and chaos >:]
Can the punishment be crushing beneath a painfully slow-moving glacier? With magic to sustain you through the agony until you are vfinally popped as it moves over your head? (Taking roughly a century.)
aaand I'm done.
I am the frost element, no? I didn't think I'd garner so much attention for that. ;P
aw hell. Not cool
Prometheus better not be repeated though I may deserve it after that last post. Meet your inner demons mortals!
So... There won't be any repeated Prometheus. Even though I do have plans to remedy his frailty. :P
PS: How the rules say to gain PP:
-SNIP-
Gods use Power Points (PP) to influence the world. Every week of real time, each player gains a number of PP proportionate to his god's power and level of influence; gods with many great works and armies of worshippers will gain PP faster, as will those who conduct great roleplaying and help influence the world. Your weekly PP starts at 4, and-if you've been playing well-can be as high as 9. PP is assigned by the game's admins.
-SNIP-
PPS: Since I'm sure people will be asking soon... I have 1 pp left.
Do races know how to build rudimentary homes and tools, how to hunt, etc? Or is it something that has to be teached? If it's necessary, does it all come in one package, something like "basic civilization 101", or does it all have to be done individually?
But cultural diffusion should carry stuff across the planet well enough.
Hey: Would Khadesh have preferred Azer to Efreets? I wasn't sure when I made it, but asking thye question won't hurt.
What do you guys think?
Dragons should be an amalgamation of every god. CHROMATIC as in across the spectrum. I'm in.
Scourge dragons have "Thrael'Kriss" written all over them, for example, and chromatics could easily be used by Pravus and Khadesh.
Catastrophic dragons, meanwhile, could be good for Ongor.
Planar dragons don't seem fitting for anybody, and, while I guess I could take metallics, it doesn't quite fit, though.
But yah: Dargons should be "specialized"
BTW: Never seen Scourge Dragons... You got an explanation?
You mean treally written on them? Or is this figurative?
But yah: Dargons should be "specialized"
BTW: Never seen Scourge Dragons... You got an explanation?
Scourge dragons are basically corporeal forces of nature. Earthquakes, floods, etc. Extremely bestial, not refined like their metallic and chromatic brethren.
We need some, a lot of them...
Hmmm... First I need the stats though...
This calls for calling in some favors!!
From the information given in the MM though, I (mostly) agree with Armisael's assessment. I would divide the dragon types by deity as follows:
Chromatic: Ongor and Ator.
Metallic: Adahan.
Catastrophic: Thrael'kris, Khadesh, and Pravus.
Scourge: Ueberroth and Myxiniron.
Planar: any god that makes a plane should get a breed of these.
In the MM, catastrophic dragons are described as embodying natural disasters, and being the least intelligent and most animalistic of all dragons. Two examples are the Typhoon Dragon and the Earthquake Dragon, both of which will hopefully appear in an upcoming supplement.
I mainly ask because it would near quadruple the creatures I could create within my domains.. 4ed's a little lacking in ice, and I'm not really comfortable enough yet with 4ed to stat creatures for myself.
And aye, I know the feeling. I have 1 PP left, but, but I don't think there's anything I can do that furthers my goals with that one. :P
Ice and law aren't particularly conducive to "Here are fields of grain!" after all. ;P
I think the Arcane concept should go to.. I can't remember their names.. The one with knowledge domain, and the sneaky one(Since arcane by definition is secrets). It would just be befitting their current domains.
Matthew Swift, Are you planning on updating the map with my new islands?
Ok, back to physics
Edit: Oh, and ff6, I'm going to write it up as you supplying these 'wizards' with the ability to take advantage of 'natural' divine power, but once I get the magic flowing for everyone you could freely change them to using it?
Edit2: Posted. Maybe we should have the first post edited to include systems that need to be understood by everyone, so we don't have to traipse through the OOC and IC threads to find the information (also useful for people who want to use the world, in the end). Also, if anyone can think of any important power sources (Artifacts and Monuments) that I missed, please remind me. I'm calling Artifacts things that have a mechanical effect or that players could conceivably use (like those detailed in the DMG), and Monuments things like the Ley Lines, the Crystal Spires...etc.
Magic
Magic, the Arcane. In the world of Galena, it is a source of great power...and great confusion. Created by a God, but apart from the Gods; seperate from divinity, but powered by it; manifested by an aberration, but fashioned in a system.
Power Source:
Magic is powered by the world and the universe itself. Powerful and monumentous parts of the world (and especially god-created things) are inherently strong sources of magic. While an artifact or monument might be used as a focus for arcane rituals or powerful spells, it also powers the entire Arcane system, giving power to all users indiscriminantly. In addition, every part of the world contributes some small part to the overall Arcane power - the water in the oceans, the fire in the earth, the light of the stars - the atoms that fill the air. Everything created by gods (read: everything) is tied to the Arcane and powers it. Smaller, weaker things may not provide much, but even the lowliest rock is of some addition.
The most powerful of the Arcane power sources are the Artifacts and the Monuments. Created by gods and naturally things of great power and importance otherwise, they are highly energising power sources to the Arcane in their own right. The most important sources are as follows:
Artifacts:
The Dream Sequencer
The Heart of Ueberroth.
Monuments:
The Crystal Spires
The Pact Stars
The Pit of Souls
The Ley Lines
Connection to the Gods:
Most gods do not have any innate relation to the Arcane. Their powers lie in the divine, and the Arcane is of no use to them. Their intrinsic power suprasses any they would acquire attemping to exploit the Arcane. Ueberroth, however, is an exception in his connection to the Arcane. Due to his part in bringing it about, he remains tied to the cycle. A deliberate act on his part, he has a knowledge of all creatures that use the Arcane, and what they use it for. Underlying motives and thoughts are not known - merely the knowledge that 'an Aventi is casting fireball in this area'.
Magic, the Arcane. In the world of Galena, it is a source of great power...and great confusion. Created by a God, but apart from the Gods; seperate from divinity, but powered by it; manifested by an aberration, but fashioned in a system.
Power Source:
Magic is powered by the world and the universe itself. Powerful and monumentous parts of the world (and especially god-created things) are inherently strong sources of magic. While an artifact or monument might be used as a focus for arcane rituals or powerful spells, it also powers the entire Arcane system, giving power to all users indiscriminantly. In addition, every part of the world contributes some small part to the overall Arcane power - the water in the oceans, the fire in the earth, the light of the stars - the atoms that fill the air. Everything created by gods (read: everything) is tied to the Arcane and powers it. Smaller, weaker things may not provide much, but even the lowliest rock is of some addition.
The most powerful of the Arcane power sources are the Artifacts and the Monuments. Created by gods and naturally things of great power and importance otherwise, they are highly energising power sources to the Arcane in their own right. The most important sources are as follows:
Artifacts:
The Dream Sequencer
The Heart of Ueberroth.
Monuments:
The Crystal Spires
The Pact Stars
The Pit of Souls
The Ley Lines
Connection to the Gods:
Most gods do not have any innate relation to the Arcane. Their powers lie in the divine, and the Arcane is of no use to them. Their intrinsic power suprasses any they would acquire attemping to exploit the Arcane. Ueberroth, however, is an exception in his connection to the Arcane. Due to his part in bringing it about, he remains tied to the cycle. A deliberate act on his part, he has a knowledge of all creatures that use the Arcane, and what they use it for. Underlying motives and thoughts are not known - merely the knowledge that 'an Aventi is casting fireball in this area'.
And I've always veiwed arcane as tapping into the energy of the world. If I was supplying them power they would just be clerics. The only world I've ever seen magic tied to a god to be used was Forgotten Realms. I just showed my people how to do it.
Ah, damn it. I was building up to that concept. Well that sucks.
And I've always veiwed arcane as tapping into the energy of the world. If I was supplying them power they would just be clerics. The only world I've ever seen magic tied to a god to be used was Forgotten Realms. I just showed my people how to do it.
Well, I described it badly in OOC. in IC, I thought it would be more like you teaching them how to use the bits of power the gods leave behind when they do things.
And I don't know how 'tied' it is to Ueberroth, more he brought it about and has a connection to it - it's not dependent on him for remaining.
And after that's done the Crystal Spires will likely lose their connection to the Arcane, since their creator has chosen his own source for them to provide.
I created that new ritual in hopes of creating some new opportunities for mortal roleplaying. In particular, there's a mortal hero (a salamander) who I was hoping to bring in with this. If you could make some openings for him, I'd appreciate it. Of course, races who hate metallurgy (like Thrael'kriss' lycans) won't be doing this, but that's fine.
Also, it bears mentioning that these salamanders are not as evil as those described in the Monster Manual. They might be creations of an evil god, but salamander society at this point in time is mostly unaligned.
On the other hand there are two things I'm going to do next turn.
And I'll throw a third out if I have enough PP.
DAMMIT! You beat me to it! And I was already prepared to add my second exarch to the game. Ah, well, no use crying over spilt milk. I'll just have to crank up the badassery a few notches. Now, to decide if my Gilgamesh needs an Enkidu...
I beat you to what? Making salamanders?
Also, keep in mind that not all mortal heroes need to be exarchs. Some will be (and some will become so after proving themselves as mortals and reaching epic levels), but mortal RP is not limited to exarchs.
Maybe you could give an overview of exactly what we are allowed to do without the expenditure of PP besides chatting?
It will be interesting to have champions begin to rise and fall now that the classes are *mostly* covered. I may drop rogue next (it's their way: Think gypsie Cleric, Monks. I really need to stat a race to reflect their Charismatic wanderer type focus...). The cindersworn will definitely be taking advantage of the Salamander pact.
Also with the introduction of magic, I have a feeling the residuum trade may begin to start soon...
and off to Engineering >,<
edit: wait, quick note: Are the Cindersworn allowed this ritual or has cultural diffusion been denied to them?
I'm sorry if these new rules are taking people by surprise. Thing is, people often want to do things that aren't specified in the starting rules, at which times I make up new ones to accommodate them. If there's something you want to do that isn't in the rules, tell me, and I will remedy the omission.
Now, as for heroes. In addition to your god and exarchs, you can roleplay mortal characters from any race that exists in the world (as long as the creator of said race gives you permission). Mortal heroes may or may not worship your god; indeed, it is sometimes fun to play a mortal who OPPOSES your deity. Mortal heroes flesh out the world on the micro level, founding cities, conquering their mortal enemies, inventing new spells and magic items, and doing other things of a similar scale. Heroes can range from first to thirtieth level, and perform deeds proportionate to their power. In some cases, an epic level hero can achieve semidivine status, becoming an exarch (which costs the usual 3 PP).
Mortal heroes are expected to die, so no baawing when that happens. That said, it is in bad form to kill another player's hero without their permission, so work it out OOC when possible.
Finally, to answer a different question, the cindersworn can summon salamanders using the ritual. Why wouldn't they be able to?
I beat you to what? Making salamanders?
Also, keep in mind that not all mortal heroes need to be exarchs. Some will be (and some will become so after proving themselves as mortals and reaching epic levels), but mortal RP is not limited to exarchs.
Making a hero.
But yeah, what I'm thinking of calls for a exarch. It's a pretty big thing, needs a whole new power source, creates a foil, and more. A simply mortal hero doesn't really cut it for what I'm thinking of.
Anyway, I've decided to make any OOC comments I need to on the IC thread into spoiler boxes. Remember to take a look as they explain any important lore pieces I couldn't really get accross in my posts. That and they save space when I need to make a long-winded comment about anything.
Now the classes to date:
Lycanthropes (Thrael'kriss): Monk, Ranger, Sorceror, Fury Sorceror, Warlock (Infernal, Possibly Star, Possibly Primal)
Lycanthropes (Others): Monk, Ranger, Sorceror, Warlock (Infernal, Star), Cleric
Aventi: Paladin, Wizard, Cleric
Avolakai: Wizard, Warlock (Star, Dark?), Cleric, Ranger?, Monk? (Assuming they were assimilated)
Rahkshasa: Monk, Ranger, Sorceror, Warlock (Infernal, Star), Cleric
Sihdari: Bard, Wizard?
Aboleths: Wizard, Warlock (Star, Dark?)
Did I get anything wrong? I'm assuming the Sihdari have "no chance" for diffusion due to isolation, and that most non-lycanthrope races have had little dealings with my progenitor Lycanthropes. While other things can't diffuse under "normal" circumstances.
I wasn't sure just how much diffusion had occured so I just listed the confirmed and logical points.
Cindersworn.
Can you guys please explain what these creatures are, exactly?
As far as there stats go, I haven't had the time to think them too far through. They would have a boost to Charisma and Dexterity, and something based on the inner daemon concept. Favor monk, cleric, sorcerer, and whatever other classes they can learn from.
They travel the world over acting as clerics, messengers, and nonpartison messengers between conflicting races, because of their knowledge of the divine: They were the first clerics, and continue to pray to the gods (plural. play with them if you'd like, so long as they produce change they're very maleable)
Their moral code is very family based, but loose enough to let any one of them wander off. If there is social diffusion they are the usual suspects. So far, no rogues have arisen among them, but that may soon change after my next post...
Lancer huh? Musta missed that one.
Hmm...looking at what's happening, it seems I'll have to postpone my plans once again (le sigh). At the very least it's only partial, as I was going to engineer a massive infiltration anyway.
Remember: Trust no one! Keep your laser handy!
Or maybe "I don't recognize you... You don't smell right."
Or you could just have a ridiculously high insight or perception score. Like +50 1/2.
Unfortunately for my Lycanthropes they don't have lasers. Will blasts of super-heated plasma work?
You realize the Lycanthropes would say "Yah you can join up" even withot the whole shapeshifting thing right? They need allies.
And doesn't an Exarch cost 3? Or are you saving it up?
Basically, I've 2 PP saved for an exarch, one for my anti-god nuke, 1 PP spent on teaching the bard class and martial classes to the Sidahri, and one last PP spent on teaching them how to be masters of disguise.
What do they do? how do they work?
In fact, I'd like to know that about all the made up classes. What kind of class they are (controler, striker, defender, leader).
Basically, I want to know how they work beforehand so we don't have the problem with the artifacts.
Oneiromancers have no defined role. They take the shape of monsters and that defines which stats they need and what their role is.
Oniric Manipulators, finally, are controllers. None of their powers (or very few) deal damage, however. They control through pure debuffing.
Fury Sorcerors are in my sig. Sorcerors are going to be whatever they get released by WotC as. Just treat them as Fury Sorcerors with Wizard powers for now. Things can be altered as they go forward.
Sorceror I believe has been confirmed so there's no real reason to create a full stat spread.
Lancers are in my sig as well (they're also in ff6's, they are his creation.)
Monks are in my sig. (Once again another persons.)
Anything else?
Also, I've checked the blue mage, but it's not what I'm thinking of. As I see it, Oneiromancers literally get the powers a monster has, with their encounter powers letting them take the shape of a standard monster of certain roles, their dailies letting them become elites of a certain type, their utilities granting them movement types, resistances, etc, and their at-wills...I'll think something about those.
Jaden the oneiromancer is exploring a cavern when suddenly, he is attacked by a horde of salamanders.
Acting quickly, he uses one of his dailies to assume the dreamshape of a stone archon and creates a wall. Then, he strikes the salamanders with earth spikes until they bring down the wall. When they do, he changes into a flying monster (Any monster, we'll go with an atropal), and activates one of his utility powers to gain the ability fly up, getting out of reach. From that advantageous position, he saps the life out of the salamanders, until one of them, a powerful necromancer, attempts to drain him to death. Reacting quickly, he assumes the Atropal resistance to necrotic damage and, having destroyed most of the salamanders, changes into an angel of valor to finish the remaining ones off.
PS: That example assumes an upper-epic oneiromancer against paragon level mooks. Usually, they won't be able to do something so awesome.
If I had to stat what you just described it'd be a monster, not a class.
I'm actually much more worried about the oniric manipulator than the oneiromancer. Creating a class that does debuffs and debuffs only yet remains both competitive and balanced is incredibly hard. It's like making a toned down SoS wizard.
Also, the oniric manipulator sounds like a feylock/wizard combination.
As for the manipulator, as I said, he literally doesn't deal damage. That's outright impossible under the current rules.
Don't worry, though it'll be balanced. I'll post a preliminary version of the oneiromancer soon, so that everyone will be able to PEACH it.
I suppose there are three ways to go here...
I map out the body but have no expenditure.
I could be docked one PP next turn and offer it now.
Or I can wait until next turn and spend a PP then.
The second and third look most appealing to me. That and I wasn't really planning on doing anything IC until next turn unless somebody forced my hand. Or responded to the Lycanthrope's ambassadors.
I'll perform the instillment and note that it's costing me a point next turn.
Now to decide how to do this...
*begins thinking a second time*
*notes that installing the second processor has proven useful*
*notes that the third processor is also useful*
I'll post up right now.
Sacrifice. Basically, the humorous version of our little game with a wizard that puts 3.5's finest to shame as the protagonist.
For some reason, I feel as if I'm a bizarre mix of Persephone and Pyro, down to being self-righteous. :P
Strange how alot of the good stuff tends to happen when I'm away for a decent amount of time. I'll have something to add later, but I'm heading to sleep now.
Aye. I missed a couple days, and now.. Wow.
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If my "bitter cold" nourish gets in anyones way, I'd not fight at all if you were to encroach on it's bounds. It's a rather huge area to affect for just 1pp as is.
I'm not expanding as fast as I'd hoped. Then again, I'm a bit more isolationist than I originally planned, and it allowed me a different, more interesting god than I had planned.
And so long as there is still something alive.
Off topic: Does anyone els think being sick sucks?
Does anyone else think Adahan is way to smug for his own good?
I can never tell the different demon-devil creatures apart though.
one of the pit lords is a would be Azrael... I can turn the angels into demons instead (that makes me smile wiiide) but I was going to bring the race to the forefront next PP. I want Bael to start the blood war, Khadesh sides with the devils but is betrayed and destroyed.
bad plan?
The demon-devil parallels in 4.0 are astounding. just check the monster manual: There is a comparable critter for each.
I like that plan.
Might be better to introduce them as demons and reshape them.
It makes them more interesting characters. Makles them more than mindless monsters.
Anyway. I'm interested in how this will play out.
I mean, in core D&D, the demons are ancient primordials, and devils are fallen angels. The demons are specifically designed to look less humanoid. If they're made by the same deity, then that deity had better die, the factions split.
I mean, honestly, why wouldn't you just unmake them?
How big is it in the sky? is there normal air on there? How high up is it?
D'you need anything else?
It was made by a god who loves invention. So maybe there are machines which keep the atmosphere in place. Or maybe Divine Magic.
Stop and think about the setting right nexty to this one, Nifflas.
How do the Islands stay floating? How the hell can someone grow a city on their head/back/whatever. It's handwaved.
If Adahan says there is an atmosphere that can support life then it just is. It's a giant chunk of metal. Maybe it's a super dense mass.
Also, the nuke is now operative. And it has seen use already...
A) Both. I'm hitting them both at once. If I have to pick, though, I'll go for the moon. I believe there's a precedent in attacking a god through his creations in the way you weakened Thrael'Kriss' spires, though.
B) I'm creating just one new exarch, but that means I now have two, since I still have Kraid.
Also, thanks to both of you for giving me an opportunity to create Sorrowsworn.
Either way: Consider the dragons made. So Ator can go aheadand release them or whatever.
And are there any hard rules on how to treat someone's personal plane? Since some of us have begun to build them up it might be something good to know.
And if I get free shape lands...
Also: I'll work on the name as well as any attached lore. Suffice it to say anything Thrael'kriss dislikes is pretty much barred.
My Lycanthorpes finally have a home!!
Edit: You didn't cover whether the creation of dragons was factored into my PP gained this turn or not.
And how do other gods interact?
The same as usual, except they probably shouldn't try to attack you.
And if I get free shape lands...
Only WITHIN the plane itself. As in, you can reshape the plane at will.
Also: I'll work on the name as well as any attached lore. Suffice it to say anything Thrael'kriss dislikes is pretty much barred.
Naturally.
Edit: You didn't cover whether the creation of dragons was factored into my PP gained this turn or not.
HAve 3 PP been spent? If so, they're in.
And I of course understood it was only within Sha'thrina. Which also means that attacking the plane would be pretty much impossible for mortals (or immortals) to do without divine help.
You lost me on your response to my dragon question...
I promised 1PP this turn during last turn, and I was wondering if you pulled it out before handing out PP or if I had to do it manually. Stuff like that tends to escape me a little.
My first question is:
If a race has multiple manifestations (Genasi for example) but is created with only a limited number what is the cost to awaken a new manifestation?
Example: I created the lycanthropes with a complete set of varieties. They are all a part of a single race and culture. However if I had left out Brutes in their manifestations what would be the cost to "add" it. (Note: I am still working on trying to balance them as a PC race. They work fine as monsters for now, and are only a little ahead of the curve as PCs. They are complete in game I just haven't finished them out of game.)
... Alternatively what would be the cost to make a new color dragon. If they are all variations on a single theme (they are all dragons) and simply different varieties ios it still a create Populace for each variety?
Question 2:
When a race has multiple variants what is the limit of mechanical difference between each variant when creating it?
Example: The Drow are all elves, but not all Elves are Drow. Can a single Create Popluace create the both of them? Or are tehy worthy of mutliple creations? Or possible created by changing the manifestations of the original (as per my above question)?
These are questions meant for clarification and streamlining.
I figure if a race has multiple expressed manifestations (or a class for that matter, as in the case of my Battle Sorceror and its connecton to the upcoming Sorceror) it should only cost a single action to create any number of those manfestations that you are interested in creating. (So you could create each variation of Genasi all at ionce or seperately.) Or if things are closely related (Monks come with Martial Arts feats etc).
Whereas multiple things with a connected origin are a little more vague as to whether they are related enough to be done in one action. Though the more powerful actions (creation of new planes and gods) have a bit more leeway as to the side effects of their actions (If I were to create the "Madness" concept I don't think altering an existing creature to reflect the concept, or even creating a template, would be outside of what I get to do with the action. True that's a bit of a stretch if you release somethiung really big, but I don't think that just gaining the concept precludes a "little bonus," And if a god creates an artifact they shouldn't have to spend 1PP to teach any of their faithful how to harness the artifact it should be part of creating the artifact. On the other hand if tehy create ther faithful they shouldn't have to spend the points to teach them to use the artifact unless they left it out of creation. Within reasonm of course. Certain aryifacts I can see needing to be taught to use, but it could include teaching them a new profession etc.)
This isn't powergaming, or "I'm awesome this is the way it should be" it is just a request for some clarification on the rules. And largely my examples have been followed. Even by people other than me. Creationg the new continent populated it with basic geolpogical things (trees, tundra etc) creating the moon had an effect beyond just a new moon (old moon destroyd, mithril on Galara).
*shrug* Just wondering what the limits for an action are. Obviously using Create Beasts cannot make sapient beings. And Shape Land cannot make beasts. But what about the ambiguous parts? How many races with a common theme can be made in one go? How many different sub-species? I've established it at 5. Though those are side-effects of the major feature of my race, but when is it too much? Would 100 different varieties of Genasi be to much?
I've just had some thoughts I was musing about. I really need the answers to questions 1&2 though.
Agrilnost created the storm titans for 3 PP, all the other titans where 2 PP.
Sounds OK to me. Discount for having available materials I guess?
What about such minor alterations as manifestations? I mean creating the original titans and then following that with new beeds it makes sense to spen 2. However goving Genasi that aren't firesoul access to that aspect of their stats is that still 2 PP.
(I make very subtle distinctions, and therefore I always ask for as much clarification as I can get.)
I'd think that Sha'thrina would bother Ongor, Ator, Adahan, and Pravus for the simple reason that by its very nature they could never control it. they could never conquer it. No matter how many of its people they brought under their sway, no matter how much land they controlled, there would still be more.
I'd assume I'm within my rights keeping the Rahkshasa out, and even if they came in Sha'thrina would fight back. Thrael'kriss can reshape the plane at will and could simply trap an invading force for eternity within a tomb of stone. Assuming they got lucky and didn't end up in an infinite desert. Yes there is one. Or maybe two... Actually I think there's enough room that there could be an infinite number of infinite deserts.
The very nature of Sha'thrina makes it impossible to conquered.
You see even gods are finite. That's why the6y can fight. why they can die. Thrael'kriss only as one thing in regards to Sha'thrina that most of the other gods don't. He's part of the Cycle, and so he can understand the plane in ways only the other two from the Trinity can. (Adahan is tapping into a different portion of the cycle.)
Even assuming immortals attempted to conquer the plane: No matter how much they conquered there would be more. and the more they try to control the harder the plane fights back. Until finally there is a stalemate. And slowly the conquerers realize that there is no winning this battle. There is only endless bloodshed, endless wars. And so their spirit sinks into despair, their confidence wanes.
And the plane retakes what was lolst.
This is just some musings I had. Some thought on what it means for the plane to be truly infinite. And Sha'thrina is truly infinite. Its incomprehensible to mortals, and even gods have trouble understanding, but it is.
Thanks for reading my thoughts, I won't say no to comments.
I like how Ongor and Myxiniron made a Shadowfel analogue (Novirm), and Thrael'kriss made a Feywild one (Shathinra).
Ongor could spend a thousand eterniteis and still have not conquered Thrael'kriss new home.
Which would seem to me to be annoying at the least for Ongor to know it was there. He may have no interest in it, but to know his brother has such a place couldn't be entirely ignored.
I know I'd find it at the least annoying if I were in Ongor's place.
the duality of the gods creations is a point of interest for me as well. But Thrael;kriss must keep growing and changing, it's a part of nature so he has yet to do everythng I have in store for him.
Ator might find the move he's going to make soon enough to be interesting.
The true master of the Jungle is one who controls the jungle on Galara. The power comes from a stolen piece of nature from there.
The self sustaining ability is the fact that it can survive without Thrael'kriss or the towers.
Sword controls Galara's Jungle.
And it now NEEDS the Spires and/or Thrael'kriss.
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Sword seems fine, That jungle is no longer Thrael'kriss' own.
And it already needs the Spires anyway. That much life needs something to keep it going.
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Thank you for clarification.
Can you imagine anything that big existing without outside help?
I write confusingly sometimes, the way I think makes remarks completely inconnected so...
Well I understod what your were saying perfectly.
Name: Tygleris
Domain: Moon
Alignment: Neutral
Physical Appearance: Born from the former mind of Agrilnost, Tygleris sprouted from one of the ten remaining skulls. From the bottom of the skull, a blast of purple lightning shoots out, and is compressed by a humanoid exoskeleton of wind. He carries the other nine skulls of his former corpse, bound together on a chain.
Symbol: A spiral with nine orbs, that grow larger, the further towards the outside of the spiral they are. The smallest is a perfect circle, but as they get larger they take on more of the form of a skull. The largest orb that makes up the end of the spiral is fully distinguishable as a skull.
Delfedd already approved this application.
So you'll want a different domain.
Unless ff6 wants to share.
In any case, I would like to be the moon(s).
That said, great to have you. We REALLY need more players right now. Pick an unclaimed domain, and you're in.
What's the polan for Khadesh BTW? She gonna get killed? Or is she gonna be reborn from the ashes?
I suppose I'll have to find a new piece of the Trinity if that happens...
As for the extra PP, I'll give you a hint; you can secretly spend PP to make hidden artifacts as long as you PM me and let me know.
Naaaaaaaaaaah. I need more people for an invasion.
PS: Division of PP logic was as follows: Khadesh got a sphere, Adahan will be getting law..
Thrael'Kriss and Tzu'misel cared about the battle, get PP.
Ator amuses the hell out of me.
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Any other PP.. just.. Go down the line alphabetically? If everyone who didn't get a sphere got one PP to a beast/populace out of me that would rock, but it doesn't seem plausible. ;P
As for Bael, it's up to the gods. not sure who my next god will be. Luck? Love? Some other human aspect? As soon as Khadesh fades away a bit, the cindersworn will become human: no longer primordial man, they have nothing left. They're the most broad and basic of people, adapting themselves to whatever god they praise.
thoughts on the plan?
Although I do want to chain Bael up. Not sure anyone else is for that though.
Edit: Khadesh could be reborn as something new... She is a goddess of rebirth... Technically if she was healed she would be new... Hmmm... Just possibilities. Fire and Ice are cool domaions, especially when combined into one.
Your fiery passion with Pravus's cold, collected nature.
Letting Bael live doesn't sound like a plan, though. He's too berserky to be our Asmodeus. I kinda doubt imprisonment would make him chill out.
And if we make him swear an oath and he breaks it...
Vestige. Traped in a far-realm star... SCREAMS "Vestige"
But we gotta wait for Matthew to get back before Bael goes forward at all.
Bael will take on Chaos, and become a godling, but he'll be chained and set in the fire at the center of the elemental chaos, to be constantly destroyed and reborn.
Any takers on that course of action? Khadesh will essential become the goddess of neutral: Balance. as well as fire and ice. dunno if I can live up to Pravus' cinematic descriptions (I really liked how he used cold for something more interesting than an ice cube), but It'd be interesting to try.
Law, Justice, Mercy...
None of those have anything to do with Balance. And I'd say Adahan is a bit too focused on overpowering the opposition (Doomsday weapon?) to care much about balance.
But that's my own personal thought.
Thrael'kriss cares about balance himself, but he is too prone to moments of perfect clarity or inconcievable madness to be able to pull it off.
Balance is not simply balance. A TRUE balance, to exist, needs equality. Equality, if it isn't naturally existent, needs to be created. To create equality, one needs to provide Justice. And Justice cannot truly be itself if it isn't tempered with Mercy.
Does that make sense?
As for overpowering the opposition...that's more of a "now LISTEN, you git, or I'll nuke you until you do!" thing. A tool for negotiation, or for handling out the appropriate punishment. I'm not going to use it willy-nilly, only when it's really needed.
See Law exists to keep things theoretically equal. Or in simple truth, to control the masses and keep things from getting out of hand.
It isn't actualy connected to balance.
See balance is something like "the balance of power" Law in its most basic nature demands that power be distributed unequal. Someone has basolute power.
Or in another example: Evil vs Good. Balance would ask that the power of neither be greater than the other. However Mercy is in itself a "Good" concept. The idea of showing mercy is altruistic.
Laws in themselves are meant to stop evil things from hapeining (thou shalt not murder etc.) whih goes against balance.
In Thrael'kriss mind balance would be everything moving as one. Everything functioning without a hitch. Of course his sight and thoughts are colored by the concept of Cycles. Whereas Adahan does not have that framework.
there are very many definitions of balance. Law may be in one definition, but it isn't in others.
Other than that, I agree.
Justice is a belief in that your actions are OK, whereas it doesn't always promote balance.
Instance: Powerful Sorceror kills peasant family. Justice pulls through and creates a hero who kills the Sorceror. Was balance achieved? Briefly, before being taked with the death of the Sorceror.
The amount of good that came from teh evil act far outweighs the act itself. Thus balance was not achieved on a global scale. (That and an eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind.)
Actually, the way I see it, since X number of good lives were taken by the sorceror, when compared to a single life, there's more overall evil. YMMV, of course, but I say Justice is something of a mitigating factor: Reducing the consequences of the acts of those that are more likely to create imbalance, thus restoring balance instead of breaking it.
Evil has no limit.
Good limits itself.
Evil will do anything because it has no morals. (Even lawful evil)
Whereas good reigns itself in and adheres to ethics.
So in my example it is quite likely that evil did come out ahead but within the given circumstances of the particular system evil was eradicated. In the ovrall system balance was not held. Much easier to simply have a race thatsubconsciously polices and balances itself (My Lycanthropes do that, it's complicated but in effect they do.)
Remember that justice is inherently limited.
Edit: Note that Thrael'kriss himself prefers systems over actions. The whole over the part.
Law asks obedience, which in itself disrupts overall balance. Justice asks sacrifice, which can alter balance. (Because of action X something Y occured which was not supposed to happen.)
Know what I think is funny? Khadesh psche really started going downhill a bit after she was welcomed fully into the Trinity... Maybe she got a little too much of Thrael'kriss fury?
Domain: Heat, Cold, Balance, Rebirth
Alignment: unaligned
Physical Appearance: Khadesh has ivory skin with ebony wings. Her left arm is ice, her right fire.
Symbol: A spiral of red and blue
Haha.. Now I feel like I made more impact by dying than I ever planned to playing. :P
PS: Don't you still get part of the cycle you had?
This does create a problem on my record sheet where I keep track of things though. Now I have two Khadeshs listed.
I still have to fix my entry to reflect my current portfolio...
Is there still a waiting list? How active is everyone's schedule on this thread?
Is there a summary post of the current state of things in the Lord of Creation project?
Quick question:
Is there still a waiting list? How active is everyone's schedule on this thread?
Is the a summary post of the current state of things in the Lord of Creation project?
I don't know on the waiting list personally. They seem to be mostly active between 0800-1200 pacific, and again 1800-2200 pacific. There are always oddballs. I was one of those oddballs.. But yes. Basically before and after work/school.
As for a summary... I don't think there's ever been one no.. But maybe someone will produce one now that you mentioned. I'm not sure it was ever thought of.
She keeps rebirth but Bael has it as well.
I can show up at any time of day.
As for a waiting list: If you're fairly active and we have an opening talk to Space Dragon or Delfedd. They'll probably OK you.
I think I'm going to grab at Fate, Destiny, and Luck. I believe I can do a lot with that. I could also write myself in as a result of the current conflict with the creation of the nine hells. A force that is guiding both Chaotic and lawful energies to an unforeseen future?
Domain: Fate, Prophecy
Alignment: Neutral
Physical Appearance: Black cloak with hood housing a white energy form.
Symbol: Circle half Black and half White.
Prophecies
Concerning a mortal's Fate tied to Ator
Beware the Ender of Reincarnation. A powerful Sword yet to be Forged meant to be wielded against those who die but live again. This Sword will be Forged in response to a Feud! A result of which is a war of Conflict. In the midst of this conflict there will rise a Knight most powerful among the Reincarnate. The Knight's enemies will greet him with open arms unknowingly inviting the Predator into their homes. When the Graceful Ones sleep the Knight will strike, taking the Sword that Ends the Cycle.
The Knight's people will cheer his bravery and power. Yet they who cheer will soon be begging for the mercy of the Dread Knight, as the Sword is turned against Them. The Knight no longer the same will then become the Tyrant gathering the Tribes of the Reincarnate under one Banner. Few will oppose him and only once will they be able for the Knight turned Tyrant shall hold power supreme over all of his Kind!
Beware the Ender of Reincarnation. A powerful Sword yet to be Forged meant to be wielded against those who die but live again. This Sword will be Forged in response to a Feud! A result of which is a war of Conflict. In the midst of this conflict there will rise a Knight most powerful among the Reincarnate. The Knight's enemies will greet him with open arms unknowingly inviting the Predator into their homes. When the Graceful Ones sleep the Knight will strike, taking the Sword that Ends the Cycle.
The Knight's people will cheer his bravery and power. Yet they who cheer will soon be begging for the mercy of the Dread Knight, as the Sword is turned against Them. The Knight no longer the same will then become the Tyrant gathering the Tribes of the Reincarnate under one Banner. Few will oppose him and only once will they be able for the Knight turned Tyrant shall hold power supreme over all of his Kind!
Also should I just jump in and introduce myself on the IC?
It is amazing that you have been able to keep this going this long.
This is my first time logging in in quite a few months. I thought i'd check on LOC.
So I propose a "Pantheon Thread" for LoC. Basically all the gods sorted by faction, and age within the faction.
Including Exarchs, Avatars, Planes, and Races which follow them. I'm willing to work on it, however I wanted to run it by you guys first.
Also: Khavus Rein doesn't want to be part of the Trinity? Balance can be as much a part of the Cycle as Rebirth. I figure I should ask, cause if so I have to find a new third god for the Trinity. If not Thrael'kriss will not oppose. You are who you are. That and if you would rather be "re-initiated" than simply keep that particular chunk of who you are through the rebirth Thrael'kriss can simply approach you.
So three choices for Khavus:
1: Lose the Cycle altogether with no wish to regain it.
2: Lose the Cycle and regain it. (I'd figure it's floating so it shouldn't cost anything. It's more a connection than a full concept.)
3: Keep the Cycle.
I await replies.
Also what is this Trinity set up that you have going? Depending on how events unfold my new god being a god of Fate may be able to step in as Fate ties into the Cycle concept.
Also how exactly should I make artifacts in a power level perspective?
There are basically three levels of artifacts out there:
A) Standard artifacts. The Sword of Ultimate PWNage, etc.
B) Godly artifacts. My Dream Sequencer, for example (actually, I think the Sequencer is one of a kind, since the Spires just look pretty). They provide a small bonus to some godly action.
C) Supreme Artifacts, which require a bit more than that. The Last Straw is a superpowered artifacts that gives me a +2/+3 to Attack God actions, and had to be created via Create Plane. I'm also planning on creating another similar artifact soon, though it won't be a plane. Rather, it'll be something like a really, really strong version of A.
I would also like to create the tools of Fate in my own eyes so can I save my PP towards those specific artifacts?
Once I create an Artifact for my god of Fate to use can I give those artifacts to Heroes to guide them according to Fate's will? This would be in the game sense of artifacts being fleeting and giving guidance. Could I make these artifacts of Fate able to return to me at a whim so that should I be attacked I could recall my Spear of Destiny for the fight? I would very much like to be able to put such plot devices into the campaign setting.
And yes, you could feed a hero an artifact, and prepare a "recall" property.
Also, though I'm not sure of it, if you make a set of artifacts with a theme, you SHOULD be able to make them all with a single dose of 3 PP, S'long as they're not godly or supreme artifacts.
Do Exarchs gain domains or do we treat them like demi-gods?
If you want to make godly artifacts, though, you're gonna have to shell the PP for each one individually.
3: Keep the Cycle.
She's getting back in touch with her portion of the cycle by walking aongst the mortals at the moment. Expect some hero to run into her sometime in the near future. Not sure who or when, I don't have a plan for her like I did for Khadesh, this will be interesting.
No comments on creating a Pantheon Thread?
I definitely want that pantheon thread started.
Concerning my nickname I'm fine with whatever name you want but I would probably find Jester amusing as well.
Oh and let me know if you find the cryptic talk annoying as I can probably change it up as needed.
Agrilnost
Water and Air
And your inheritance of his domain due to the vacuum left by the conflict started by Thrael'kriss.
But yeah, it's fun to deal with the riddles a bit.
Yeah, I've got it now. Although it took a good long time for me to decide to claim air. Originally there was going to be a seperate air god.
But yeah, it's fun to deal with the riddles a bit.
Aye. I was going to claim it once too, but thought we were getting a new air god. Plus I'm not sure how Pravus would have stayed out of peoples way when he was in the winds. I already knew if I got it, he was going to make flying a real pain in the butt to achieve.
But.. I think I'm happiest reading, honestly. :P
Camu and Delfedd are kinda gone. SD, though, can take full credit for that.
hey, I'm not gone, I still posted last week.
School has just kept me busy this week
I've just been awful busy learning about Alaska.
Who is controlling Bael's personality? I don't want to take charge of another person's character. Especially if Bael is still claimed by matthew as I was planning on meeting Khadesh as well.
He only got Chaos from Khadesh. Thrael'kriss hasn't lost any domains recently.
Right now I'm waiting for some more information before I post in character. I need to know how to treat Bael. I honestly thought Ator was going to pick Khadesh first.
Matt still has final arbiter on him though I'd think. But so long as you don't change who he is nobody will get mad.
Grats on learning about alaska Delfedd. While you were gone we made a new world order.
Anyway... So Locke, ff6, and Matt vote yes?
Any word from the Admins?
Bael is an NPC minor god... really he shouldn't take too much RP, he just kinda rages 24/7. If you have an alternate destiny in mind go for it.
Once that happens I will need a little bit of input, after I make the first post I'll need input as to where each of you guys consider yourself amongst the factions. As well as short little personality blurbs, preferences in your folowers, Arifacts you claim etc.
Also: Are we assuming that there is a complete collection of Natural Beasts? (Wolves, Bears, Insects, Spiders, Fish, Sharks etc.) If not Thrael'kriss is going to make 'em in one shot. Sans Dinos of course.
I figure we should official it so that it can be used as a campaign world without any DM errata. That and Thrael'kriss has 2 Domains related to those types of creatures so 1 creation should be able to cover it if we aren't simply assuming they're there. They aren't exactly complicated.
Name: Myxiniron
Domain: Darkness, Necromancy, Diseases
Alignment: Unaligned
Physical Appearance: A sickly pale wormlike creature, shrouded in darkness
Symbol: A pale spiraling worm on black background
gimme a bit longer, I'll think of something.
At least until I gain control over Time and create my super artifact to get out by never entering the mind in the first place.
Not literal balance, spiritual balance.
I was going to have Thrael'kriss give you the name "Serenity" if that's the route you took. Humans would be a good creation because they are the most varied and balanced of any race. So you could focus on adaptability as well.
Though I say go for the spiritual peace path. Serenity is a cool name.
And I think there's a "weekly cut-off" where they just say new turn.
to teh noobs: lol, are you havin some funs?:D
FF6 what classes do your avanti have? Asking for Roleplaying reasons.
Well, I have a growing collection of souls which I have decided that I really don't like. Or I shouldn't. Brigands, thieves, Lawyers.
I liiiiiike where this is going. Well done DelfeddAnd also, I finally explained why devils always tell the truth. They're not just "really lawful."
Because honestly I've always liked that trope.
With my domain being Fate could I spend 1 PP to nourish a populace giving 85% of them immunity from this Exarch's disease? I would be thinking along the lines of Fate willing these beings safety. What do you think?
It maade me smile.
Anyway: Nice way to make devils truthful. I wonder what would happen if I managed to get one lying...
And as for the nourish populous thing? For a limited population, definitely would work.
My initial post just summerised it's capabilities for future use, but everyone seems of the impression it went to work and kill all immediatly
Thrael'kriss wants reassurance that it won't intrude upon his domain, as Ongor had promised him (no oath though) that the gods would not take a personal hand in wars unless asked by their followers. An exarch killing creatures on Sha'thrina Thrael'kriss sees as an attack upon his home.
And on that note, the sun god is about to have broken a pact.
Kha'Ver-Alev noticed the "diturbance in fate"
And after that it just kinda "got out"
A bit of an accident started by me I guess.
I almost didn't realize it at first. But then Wyld mentioned an attack by the many on his plane. This made me realize that the avolakia where attacked by Adahan's exarch in the same way, unasked for by any mortal.
I was going to mention the rakshasas as well, but then i realized that the Aventi probably prayed for that.
The last question about a PP expenditure to save a percentage of the population was more of a way for me to make myself known to the mortals of the population. This way I get a belief base going. I also wanted to see if I had the option available should an outbreak occur. Hence me asking some questions.
Armisael described the Thrillseeker as a free agent. I think he meant that as in "adahan does not direct him" so I don't know if that qualifies as exemption.
I'd say that the Thrillseeker is so different from Adahan that this particular instance isn't worthy of locking him up. Maybe penance for creating such a thing?
See the oaths that were taken is that we would not command our faithful into war. Loophole says that if we didn't make the command then it isn't our fault.
also notice the Thrillseeker is doing this for revenge. He was created with the death of a Sidahri so this could be seen as the faithful acting of their own accord.
I suppose that makes sense.
Thanks for correcting me.
EDIT: Although now I'm not so sure. It was irresponsible to grant the power to that creature, and the stars are all about technicallities. If he hadn't made Thrillseeker an exarch, then it would be fine. But, since he didn't keep his creation under control, he looses out.
An oath can only be broken if it is believed to be. And the belief should be based upon what the oath was about. Thrael'kriss could possibly take a forgotten city on Galara into the wilds without breaking the oath because it is no longer settled and thus no it is once again part of the wild anyway.
The stars see the facts of the matter.
The exarch was previously a Sidahri, who after his ascension is taking revenge. The question is: does that mean the oath was broken? Or is it that the faithful made the decisiomn to go to war?
Adahan gave no directions, the exarch was acting independently. Does that mean the oath was broken?
Just some philosophical things.
And I wouldn't call a settlement of necromancers defenseless.
I would love to introduce the Divine Oracle Paragon Path to a populace as it is in my theme and would greatly help in spreading the mortals awareness of a God of Fate.
Any help is appreciated!
When the Sidahri first entered the world as spies, Darian, who is now the Sleepwalker, descended with his comrades. Things went bad for them. Really. His comrades were devoured by an Umbral Blot (Which wasn't created by anyone. For the purpose of a good story, let's say it came out of nowhere after one of the cataclysms, becoming a small bit of a power vacuum that gained sentience.), which knocked him out and housed itself within him, though he didn't know that.
When Darian woke up, he was (understandably) freaked out by what had just happened. So, he flew back to Tyrael to find some way to bring his buddies back. However, by the time he reached the place, the small moon had crashed with the big one and the Sidahri had been evacuated to the Last Straw. And Adahan was really ****** off and activated the weapon properties of the quasar, sending a big ol' wave o' DOOOOOOOOOOM to the moon. Darian, not knowing what was coming, got caught up inside the blast, but due to the action of the blot inside him, managed to channel part of the power that was behind the wave of destruction and saved himself, becoming the Sleepwalker in the process. He's currently a free agent, but I've plans for Adahan to recruit him later on.
However, at the same time, the blot went rogue. Using Adahan's godly power and taking a piece of Darian's mind with it, it created the persona that is the Thrillseeker. Then, it 'ported down to the earth and started wreaking havoc underground. Basically, the Thrillseeker and the Sleepwalker are tied to Adahan the same way plants are, AKA indirectly. They do not work for him, and the former is, in fact, uncontrollable, a loose cannon of godly power.
Does that clear things up? The Sleepwalker is supposed to be an exarch like Kraid is. The Thrillseeker is more like the old Chaotic Neutral alignment (I'm talking about the Slaadlike CN, BTW). He might kiss a puppy, or he might **** it, which is more or less what he's doing right now.
PS: Whoa...for some reason I feel as if I'm a comic book writer talking about Doombots. :P
All races have Clerics so long as they interact with Cindersworn. Which means my Lycanthropes wouldn't have them (I think I gave them druids though...) but most other races would.
You could go with Teach Populace (Fate) and connect DO to them through that as well as making certain otherr teachings (a Channel Divinity power). Clerics are kinda wierd in that they need a connected idea to be really complete.
Paladin, Cleric, Lancer, Wizard, and Warlord. It is debatable it any warlock pact has been transfered, and I know don't have fighters.
Also, exactly who has agreed to the Pact Stars anyway? I didn't.
Also, has anybody else developed a Channel Divinity for their clerics? Or am I alone in that?
The only ones who are apparently under oath are Me, Adahan and Bael. The others never ctually swore anything IIRC.
*shrug*
There are ways to end a pact. For instance, if another god declared war on me I'd say that my oath becomes void. As I swore not to attack them, but since they attacked me unprovoked any promises made would be nullified.
Strange that the one who made the stars didn't swear anything.
Tricky Ator.
Does this mean a player could create a second god to control as well? Does this mean the players gets two PP allotments one for the original and one for the new god? I just need a little clarity on this.
Another Question I have concerns the way Combat works I remember reading that you would be changing the rules and I want to be aware of how the system works now.
True, it does encourage massive investment. Although that does consume resources.
:DLocke Kant: Plans are very fun, I agree. Especially ones that involve widespread destruction. Or revenge. Preferably both at once.
The first Create Populace was Thrael'kriss. From there Ongor recieved his (second?) followers. The Rahkshasa were modified from Lycanthropes...
I got a little chuckle, Thrael'kriss was the first o bring sentient life into the world if my understanding of the difference between the creation powers is correct.
That makes me kinda happy...
When we get a pantheon thread going I would like everyone to post their portfolios there so we can quickly look at the current events of the gods. This way we will also notice any new prophecies, artifacts, world events, and various other things that need to be cataloged for a proper world and planar map to be made.
I think that would help us get some new players as well.
This way we can post summary myths explaining the events up to now.
Should make everything easier for the noobies like myself understand everything.
Especially the simple stuff like what the world is called.
It was my idea, so it's only fair that I set it up. Cursory templating will be easy enough, minor interactions are going to be the pain.
Let me see if I can find the post.
At least that's his claim.
I actually am about ready for some sleep. Tomorrow morning I will put together a basic pantheon, and from there I will make it more complex.
Post 841
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Turning to the next Ra'Ver-Alec waves his left hand transforming the angel into a pure Ivory Angel. Find the one known as Khadesh and inform them that Ra'Ver-Alec seeks council.
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Ator's going to try and bring the law to bear on him because of the actions of his rogue exarch(s) as soon as he stops rattling around in my goddess' noggin.
Ator isn't trying, it's happened.
Gah, can't hold on too tired. See all of you in the morning!
Just don't expectr me to do much with it today. I'm enjoying my 18th birthday with a geek-fest.
Video games and LoC for all!!
Go wild... um no pun intended...;)
Having the Pantheon thread is going to be great since we will have all the races and planes organized into one place. Not too mention the fact that we will have all artifacts and exarchs listed. That reminds me I'm going to go post my portfolio there so it's easier to find!
My next step is organizing by faction. I reserved a couple spaces in case I had anything that needed to go there. Probably Artifact ionformation and similar stuff.
Will everyone be listing their races that they created in their new portfolios in the Pantheon thread?
I'm going to get my mail and some lunch while I brainstorm on your prophecy. Expect it within the hour or so.
I'm fine if you want to disallow those rituals, I just want to make sure for future plans.
What happens when 2 gods attack 1? Do you add bonuses and PP from both gods against the one god?
Oh, wait. Yeah, I DO have a +5...theoretically. When push comes to shove, though, I can't cash in on any bonus right now, because The Sleepwalker's a free agent, Kraid is far away from me, and in the dreamscape, the Straw means jack.
The trick to the bonuses is, you have to roleplay them. If you can't convincingly explain WHY you'd get that bonus, you don't get it, simply. Thus, I don't get the Sleepwalker's bonus until I recruit him to my side, and I haven't used Kraid's bonus in a looooong while.
6 or 7?
I dont know what it is, but I have had an undefinable "lust" for some LoC since i had to drop out of the last one (and the one before that, OMG, what the hell?)
Me
Delfedd
Space Dragon
ff6
Matthew
Locke
Camu
erendor
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8 actually.
We had 10 but Sinasilver dropped out after Pravus's death.
Wyld forgot Armisael.
We had 10 but Sinasilver dropped out after Pravus's death.
Sinasilver killed Pravus to drop out, for the record.
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Maybe:D
...probably three distributions.
No, wait. I think I'll actually be able to get out by the time the next distribution rolls in, and open up a new arc too.
Now that I think of it, yeah, it seems like I'll get out once the new PP rolls in. It will make a lot more sense that way.
Could you give us a sneak peek on the arc, maybe a few arc words if you don't want to tell what'll happen?
Armisiel on the other hand hasn't given us much to go on besides him contemplating taking the time domain to perform a dues ex machina.
Remember the Thrillseeker? The guy who's currently sucking the souls out of everything that's close to it to recover its health? And how it is a dark foil to the Sleepwalker?
Well, I'm considering expanding that to provoke a drastic change in Adahan's mind. If you've been paying attention, he was once a goody two-shoes, but after Agrilnost's death, he's become progressively crazier and more willing to punish and use violence.
The idea is to have that reach its climax...and invade. Two things are key to this: The control over time, and the arc words I've mentioned, Rainbow in the Dark. I'm not explaining what that means, yet, because it'll spoil the whole thing, but suffice is to say that everyone's going to have a really crazy Knight Templar at their gates soon.
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Maybe... I think...
:angelhide
Following that your next Exarch will be: PICASSO!
But if you give me a bit it'll slip out of mind.
SUCCESS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
... Shake that magic 8 ball again. I'm betting it comes up with the same as earlier. Getting me to act on said impulse would be difficult for previously mentioned reasons.
Ember's Edge can teleport it's wielder across any distance (except interplanar) to whatever "target" it is thrown at.
Sur Rim can attack a god.
Put both spears together and you have a god seaking missile with +2 attack. The kids aint entirely off track in the power of the weapons. If we go +1 for every 10 levels a PC has against a god and they could very well slay Bael (though it would do them no good in the long run) or an exarch without too much trouble (assuming they live past level one )
See all of you in the morning!
P.S.- The kid has a mean DM and was forced to roll those stats!
Thrillseeker is definitely in the dreamworld. The stars tried to draw adahan and the offender into the dreamworld... I think i included that in my post.
All in due time. You'll see what happens when the punishment is enacted. I guarantee it'll be an interesting spin on the punishment. :evil
As far as I can tell, the Last Straw isn't actually an artifact. It's a plane. Which does not give a bonus to attack at all. Soo yeah.
Fine. But damn, that retroactively changes history. I can't destroy the moon, The Sleepwalker and the Thrillseeker no longer exist, Rakshasas do not have dreamcatchers...ouch.
So...I think we need to start again from scratch. The arc in which there was a meteor rain never happened.
I sign the pact...with two conditions.
First, instead of simply being trapped inside a star should I break the deal, my body will remain inside the sun, and my consciousness will be trapped in the dreamscape.
Second. I shall not take any sides, nor shall I pledge my allegiance in times of war to any god. In exchange for that, I shall be free to intervene in any conflict that should arise to balance the scales, joining the weaker side. Will you accept that?
Thrael'kriss looked at Ator.
What will you swear in turn?
Shrugging massive shoulders Thrael'kriss went on.
I will make promises, but I will not speak for my children.
I will not promise anything about the wilds which are mine. Those places untouched by civilization are mine, however I will not try to reclaim those places claimed by other gods. I expect courtesy in kind.
Will that satisfy you?
If I break these words, Thrael'kriss' dislike of words evident in his tone, I will be stripped of my form and locked within the Spires. At least from there I can ensure the balance does not become disrupted.
Those are the words spoken by the gods who made pacts. It can be considered that Adahan agreed also to certain things said by the othr gods. However I'm going to pointy out that Thrael'kriss made specific mantion that he swore the words in that single post.
So he should be free to meddle in mortal affairs so long as it is not an attempt to reclaim civilized lands, as he never swore oaths that he would not.
(Thrael'kriss did not swear Ongor's deal on the stars, he simply accepted it on faith. He later made a pact to appease Ator.)
It'd be more like if Ator used a sword that he made without spending PP (Just flavor) to slaughter every single aventi. Then someone called me out on it saying "Hey, you didn't make an artifact." While correct, it misses the point. Ator could do that stuff anyway, and he didn't need a +1 bonus to do it.
Correct. However, any attempt at meddling with civilized races could easily be seen as an attempt to win back the forest. Especially by the stars, which don't truely understand the facts of what's going on.
This is why Thrillseeker, a divinely powered being who is not under the direct command of a god, is trapped in the dreamworld. The stars attempted to draw in the offender and his master for attacking civilized settlements (underground), believing that they would attempt to build a forest on the destroyed lands.
Current goings-on:
If tyhe stars are artifacts they have some level of intelligence, if they have intelligence they can reason. If they can reason they can connect the dots and differentiate between things. That doesn't mean they can't screw up.
But they should be able to tell the difference between something happening with no intent and something with intent.
I'm not going to try to argue either way, that's you guys problem. I'm just saying what I think.
And the star's aren't artifacts, they're concepts.
Though yes you are right I thought they were artifacts, mistake on my part.
But something leading to another thing indirectly, with no plan in mind, simply just happening to fill the void, is a pretty weak case in court.
Let me put it this way: Using that logic (that something could lead to something else) then the very fact that Thrael'kriss exists could result in the xpansion of the forest and therefore his existence is grounds for imprisonment.
What id Ongor commanded his followers to leave their cities? That could possibly result in a forest growing (through no intervention of any god, just natural process).
And here I go arguing... Still, I'm at least trying to make arguments that make sense...
And yes, that would happen if Ongor did that. However, he didn't sign the pact.
You know, you're right, perhaps thrael'kriss should be imprisoned as well?
Thrael'kriss has no intention of expanding his forest. He has an infinite world with an infinite Cycle to keep him happy. Compared to the Galara is absolutely boring.
But at this point I'd think people can see that there needs to be some kind of system to make sure what the stars do is fair. A completely OOC system.
Leaving it up to one person to decide whether something is right or not is a dictatorship.
He said he would take no action and therefore they can't unless he takes an action against the civilized lands.
Anyway...
A questuon about stacking spent costs.
The Spires were orignally a shape land action, which later Thrael'kriss invested with power.
So my question: Does that count as stacking the costs? I made the chain of actions before it was revealed that costs stacked, so I ask whether it is fair to consider them worth 4PP.
Arguably they had the ley lines applied to them, but I consider those seperate things that could be harmed. Though in the interest of keeping them as a safeguard the case could be made that the cost of the Spires and the Ley Lines are a single cost. (Adahan anchored the lines to the spires).
The ones on Galara could be destroyed pretty easily (mortals can break them for god's sake) but permanently destroying them would be a pain anyway.
Now, annihilation begins. Just wait and see...
Shouldn't you pay PP if you bring him back?
You went back in time.
You changed something.
Paradox.
Locke: Thing is, there was a paradox, just not a time paradox. The paradox wasn't that Adahan pushed his past self out of Khadesh's mind, that just created a bunch of parallel universes. The REAL paradox was that he returned to time carrying a state (Oathbreaker) that conflicted with the state he was in at that time (Not an oathbreaker). When those states conflicted, they created a...malfunction, for lack of a better world, in the universe. To eliminate the malfunction, the universe erased it's cause (the present Adahan), shunting him into the void.
If that doesn't make sense, I'll post a better explanation.
true + false = false
or is it
true or false = true?
I propose Adahan just went null, back to the future style,
And caused a compile time error in the world. Way to go. Lucky Agrilnost knew how to properly implement exceptions. :D
About that, there's an explanation. Remember how time is comprised of still frames, which are organized one after the other? Well, should someone move "to the sides" instead of moving forward and backwards, they enter parallel versions of the universe, created by different choices (In other words, a different still frame, capturing the same instant of a different version of the universe). In other words, the universe acts as a gigantic Schrödinger's cat, who has maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaany more states than "alive" and "dead" (including "aroused by peanut butter"), with a single state being the original universe.
What happened when Adahan went back was that a few new universes were created, one where he DIDN'T time travel, one where he did and averted imprisonment, one where he traveled but couldn't avert imprisonment, etc.
Over that, however, there was something else that happened (WARNING: The following is mixing real life physics with magic. Consequently, it's going to be pretty complex). Imagine a computer. As you know, comps operate through a binary system, of ones and zeros, representing the lack or presence of electricity. Now, what would happen if a computer was a one or a zero at the same time (Different from what was presented above in that this would be like the cat being both alive AND dead when the box is opened)? The machine would shut down, most likely. That's what happened to the original universe. When there was a one and a zero at the same time (That is, Adahan had broken the oath yet he hadn't), the universe took steps to eliminate the error. To do that, it simply kicked the CAUSE of the error out. Thus, the current Adahan is now trapped inside the void of nothingness.
lol
he got recycle binned.
Agrilnost = windows. (Ueberroth = Apple.)
You can have the two gods sharing the same PP pool, or you can have the thing that makes sense which is that future you went to an alternate present, which means that we'll never see him again, except as a plot device in the far distant future.
I'm simply of the opinion that present adahan inventor of time travel switched places effectively with his past self. My thought process on this would be that you went to an alternate universe when you tried to stop yourself. Universe see's two Adahan's when only one should exist. You interfere there causing the universe to shunt alternate Past Adahan to where you left. You(future/present Adahan) are trapped in alternate past. This could be a way for the universes to balance the equation.
So I see the situation as Past Adahan is now present adahan.
Therefore, the time concept isn't around yet.
Adahan has escaped the pact stars by severing himself from the timeline earlier on and then reentering. There is still one version of Adahan trapped in the stars, and another one free to roam. Star-trapped Adahan is now an NPC. Free Adahan-from-the-past is Armisael's character.
Everyone agree?
Camu: Last time I checked the post, you left the 'seeker almost dead. I used that, and left him sucking the life out of everything around him to recover.
If that doesn't make sense, I'll post a better explanation.
.....
Then, it spread to the Avolakia capital Myxina and from there lashed to the Thrillseeker, infecting it with it's deadly form.
Creating billions of tiny cuts within, every organ became liquified, almost instantly killing the Thrillseeker.
What part of killing killing don't you get?
But okay, makes more sense now. Sorry.
I have to find something suitably insane for him to do...
An endless horde of Lycanthropes will soon be aiding the Aventi anyway... Immortality is all well and good, but deadly hunters that know nothing of mercy are just as nice to have on your side.
Godly Effect
+1 PP per turn towards Populace related tasks
Mortal Effect
Empower and cheapened rituals
Anchors the floating city against having it's suspending magic removed.
Immune to mortal inflicted damage.
I've been trying to decide what a restriction would be on a PP generating artifact for thrael'kriss woul be. I'm going to be altering the Spires to gain such an effect (and ancillary effects as well, nothing big) if it gives you any idea.
He made the death star. Hard to decide exactly what that is inthe first place.
That doesn't house people of any kind, and it is pretty widespread for ancient magics or direct magics from the gods are immune to mortal meddling.
What part of killing killing don't you get?
The "almost" RIGHT before the bolded part. Never underestimate lightning reflexes. And, if there's a problem with that, then the 'Seeker's dead and will resurrect. Okay?
Now, on the subject of time travel, here's what I want to say:
A) Do NOT worry about the parallel universes. Seriously. I'm not planning to incorporate them until a lot has passed, so you shouldn't think about them either. As I see it, most of the confusion comes from thinking about the alternate universes. Don't do it. The rule is that history continues, that's it.
B) Adahan is imprisoned by the star's curse, but the curse malfunctioned. Thus, instead of being placed inside a pact star and in the dreamscape (Something which I prepared because I was a sneaky bastard and had twenty different ways to free myself from that as soon as I got caught), he got thrown out of normal time and space, along with the Thrillseeker, just like it was intended. This was done because I realized it'd be boring as hell if I just used my plans, and would basically raise a gigantic finger at everyone's metaphorical face. I wanted something more interesting, and thus I've been trying to convince everyone to just follow the Rule of Cool, the Bellisarios' Maxim and MST3K mantra all the time. Needless to say, I have failed miserably, even when quantum physics support my explanation, which I find bizarre.
[Unwinding]Jeeze, people, is it so hard to just follow me and accept that a new awesome arc is going to come out of this? I'm not trying to become the Supreme Overlord of everything, I'm just trying to craft an awesome story with the help of my peers!
Seriously, do as this and this says:
"So what if the construction of the pyramids didn't really overlap with the existence of the woolly mammoth? Can you honestly say you don't want to see a herd of crazed mammoths stampeding down the ramps of a pyramid in progress?"
Don't examine this too closely.
[/Unwinding]
C) When something would change history, it simply creates a bunch of alternate universes that each represent a different possibility.
D) Having two versions of one unique creature in a single universe DIDN'T screw things up, that makes no sense. What DID screw it was that I created a "L0G1C 3RR0R!" with the pact stars and the universe sent me to its recycle bin and cleaned it, capiche?
Any more questions?
Bcause that would make him the first thing to use Calculus in DnD.
There's a catch, though. Because you are playing as the free Adahan (who is from before the imprisonment), you never got the Time domain. That is still possessed by the version of you that is trapped in the stars. Here's an interesting complication; if you can somehow break into the stars, you can recover the domain. However, someone else might do it first...
For those who don't get how.
Freedom to do as he wishes. In other words:
Death comes for you no matter how well you hide. No matter how many things you protect yourself with. Nothing can stop Death.
He doesn't like being balked, and now he's got a way through. Doesn't mean he'll be able to help you but company's always nice.
Edit: When I said "I give it up", I meant, I give up trying to go with this and the creation of the new arc. Too many obstacles. Guess I'm going to just have to be a cheap bastard.
I want to check if this is appropriate as an artifact?
Godly Effect
+1 PP per turn towards Populace related tasks
Mortal Effect
Empower and cheapened rituals
Anchors the floating city against having it's suspending magic removed.
Immune to mortal inflicted damage.
*cough*Rip Off*cough*
Heh I just made that artifact yesterday.
He should just think to see if anyone is willing to help him out.
True only Ator at this point really knows Thrael'kriss freed himself from the Star's influence (he could still make oaths upon them I suppose... 3PP counteracts the stars entirely since they are 3PP IIUC... too much thinking). But he culd ask for help and realize Thrael'kriss could give that help.
And Locke Kant's comment IC: I like it. Not the being forgotten part. So long as Sha'thrina exists I won't be forgotten (maybe on Galara... if you consider the Lycanthropes visiting there not part of Galara) but the whole "speaking through actions" thing.
Of course Thrael'kriss spends more time trying to explain himself than most of the other gods.
Which is why I'm going to request an unrestricted bonus when I make mine (well... unrestricted in certan ways)
What exactly do you want with that new artifact to do?
For me? A +1 AG bonus for now, a +2 as soon as I get my next turn, by expending one more PP on it.
where is the other pp being spent?
Adahan's gone bonkers, and has a crapton of contingency plans prepared if someone attacks him. He's going to become good again, by way of the artifact he just made, but it's going to take some time. I say it actually makes sense: He's been caged inside another mind, isolated from the world, he discovers his children have been mutilated into a pale shadow of what they were...how would Tsu'misel react if suddenly, the Empyreans and Aventi were changed into Lokathah and Swordwings?
Edit: I DID say I was looking for another option and that my original plan would basically be a big FU to everyone, didn't I? THIS is why I tried to avoid it. Too ruthless.
he had 5 PP to start the turn.
3 PP for artifact that gives + 1 PP per turn for Attack God.
2 PP invested in create artifact weapon.
No bonuses for combat from artifact yet.
Edit- Do you not need to spend 3 PP to escape the Pact like Thrael'kriss did?
So uh... NO I'm not going crazy because you couldn't just poof out without causing some damage, unless you cause damage.
Hey guys, I've got a lot of catching up to do, bbs
Escaping the pact however should still require PP investment right?
You can't spend PP, and especially not to let yourself out.
Nothing about not being able to use my powers, though, so I used that as a way to get out. The alternative was mass possession.
Which then brings to question just how a battle like that would go if it were two on one. Considering I'm standing right beside her the last time I posted as Tsu'misel, I'd come to her aid immediately.
How? You'd need to enter the dreamscape, and FIND Adahan, because he's everywhere in there. He didn't just exit the head into the waking world.
by math:
he had 5 PP to start the turn.
3 PP for artifact that gives + 1 PP per turn for Attack God.
2 PP invested in create artifact weapon.
No bonuses for combat from artifact yet.
Edit- Do you not need to spend 3 PP to escape the Pact like Thrael'kriss did?
Again could you explain this set up on your artifact though? The way you describe it has it being simply a +1 PP for Attack God per turn. No bonuses yet?
Edit: As Wyld pointed out, the dreamscape is an adjunct to the cycle. While it's hardly an expressed portion of my portfolio, I do have some power over the cycle, and thus, in theory, some access to the dreamscape.
How? You'd need to enter the dreamscape, and FIND Adahan, because he's everywhere in there. He didn't just exit the head into the waking world.
So did you escape or not, finding this all a bit confusing
Could you clarify it a bit
There is an issue with his artifact that I'm trying to figure out.
Edit- His defense is that were he attacked he would retreat to the dream realm where he can't be followed.
Again could you explain this set up on your artifact though? The way you describe it has it being simply a +1 PP for Attack God per turn. No bonuses yet?
I just spent ALL of the five PP on the weapon. I didn't make two artifacts, I made one and infused it with enormous power.
If it's an adjunct to the Cycle Thrael'kriss can follow (and they have previously met in that realm. and he has described it as the dreaming psrt of the Cycle, To which thrael'kriss gives little thought of course), however it isn't technically a plane. It's a planar representation of a concept (similar to how Thrael'kriss can retreat into the Cycle and only Tzu'misel and Khadesh/Khavus can contact him there... Adahan can do that as well technically speaking). Thus no combat bonus while there.
True. What I was talking about was more about the fact that, if Tsu'Misel wanted to attack Adahan, he'd have it tough because not only would he need to enter the Dreamscape, but he'd also need to FIND Adahan, as his presence permeates all of the dreamscape.
I just spent ALL of the five PP on the weapon. I didn't make two artifacts, I made one and infused it with enormous power.
I've been told you can't do that.
Also, the "kill anything" thing isn't possible in 4e. I mean unless it only works on minions. Then it's cool
The Medusa's gaze can technicaly kill anhthing... If they fail saving throws (thrice in a row) as can Mummy Rot (or was it the ghoul one...).
However flat save-or-die is out.
Edit: To a full-fledged god anything short of another divine being is a minion. ;)
Which is why you have to ask before you take something guarded by another god or exarch.
What that means is, a normal weapon cannot harm a god. Even most artifacts wouldn't be able to do it. This can, however. Think of the Godsbane sword from FR, but give it cool ass powers, and that's what you get. It didn't mean "this has a cheap 'you die' power".
Edit: In other words, what ff6 said.
As for mortals killing gods... Why do you need anything special? A powerful mortal is almost a god anyway (Demi-god? How much more obvious do you get?).
Anyway: I'v got an idea for the pantheon thread... But I'll post it there.
In a normal setting, with normal gods, what you say is correct. Here, however, gods are INFINITELY more powerful than in other places. Even the weakest of us could wipe Pelor, Moradin, and Bahamut together without breaking a sweat. One of our avatars would have the power of the god of another setting.
What a normal mortal could kill is an avatar. However, give them this weapon, and suddenly, they have a fighting chance against the real deal. Godly attacks wouldn't affect them (This was something that I mentioned when I spoke with Delfedd and he suggested I use a mortal for what I had in mind: If I tried to threaten gods with a mortal, Tsu'Misel could just send a super thunderstorm, Myxiniron could use The Many, Ator could just say "die", etc. Basically, we've got too many ways to easily kill mortals to make one a threat normally), forcing the gods to actually get off their duffs and fight.
Haha.. Good thing Armisael didn't get Sur Rime when I died.. Or he'd have two of those attack god artifacts.. Or have potentially just made it more powerful. :P
Y'know, When I first envisioned it, RitD didn't have that bonus.
But then, I had to change the plans and realized I was up against someone with more base PP than me, and well...I had to equalize things. And it just kinda grew from there.
Except it didn't equal it out. He on his home plane, giving him a +1. I hadn't considered where he was or I might have had second thoughts about intervening. But I guess it does show lack of decision making from Tsu'misel's second burst or real anger.
+ 2 bonus on his home plane.
Edit: Checked it, yeah. Bad idea.
I think that once a mortal fights a god, they can't do anything to directly to the mortal anymore.
Locke: hmm...guess what's coming up next is not going to be liked by fate either.
Thrael'kriss can't actually attack, part of the reason he hasn't.
Want a power loan Wyld?
I might also suggest that attacking him is a really, really bad idea. Killing him will have really disastrous consequences on the world, courtesy of another gun.
Or was my post completely ignored?
It would be unfair as Thrael'kriss would have to take a side.
And his code of honor prevents him from joining anyway. he can exact his price later.
Which means Thrael'kriss can't join in. Stupid fair fighting death god of wild beasts, shapeshifters, freedom, rage...
Why does he have a code of honor again? He's like the distilled essence of destruction and fury.
I guess there has to be balance somewhere...
The gang's all here :D
Sha'thrina is a happy place.
Well...
OK so it did get a little burnt... Fixed now though.
That's quite funny, really. You'd think it'd be Khavus who'd play like that, but it turns out YOU are the Proud Warrior Race Guy (At ff6's bequest, I'm not linking to tvtropes).
Khavus has a hole in her psyche. A little bit of Khadesh is coming through (since that's where the entry wound was, why not make it the exit as well?)
Also, fitting quote: "strike me down now, and I shall become more powerful than you could possibly imagine!"
Adahan is out of PP for the turn and I highly doubt you could end the world by yourself in your current state. Trust me there are enough of us to counter whatever you throw at the world.
Don't tempt me. :P
Out of curiosity, how much PP does everyone have in total?
I'm out, but all I need is a gift of one as my last post explains.
Then, I assume there's not enough to counter 23 PP?
Trust me, I DO have access to that 23 PP. And, at the very least, 8 PP would immediately go boom.
Now, bump that up to eleven.
So yeah, I DO have 23 PP at my disposal.
It would still be meaningless.
This is aside from the current battle:
I was going to alter the Spires next turn to produce an additional PP each turn (for use with creation).
Do racial alteration effects hold true accross the board. I'm looking for some way to squeeze an effective 6 PP out of next turn.
If thrael'kriss were to sap his material creations alone:
Spires: 3
Plane: 4
Gift: 3
So there's 10.
Thazin'kriss: 3
13 so far...
And I'm ignoring his race (total investment somewhere around 10... and that would pretty much screw all of creation, not that the Spires being destroyed wouldn't be cataclysmic forma fluff sense) as well as al his concepts.
And Thrael'kriss making an attack action in conjunction with the "Freedom" concept is a total 4PP worth of power. Overriding your sword or whatever thing is allowing you to stay moving. As you don't have anything with you worth more than 3.
He wants to find a loophole.
Law, Light, Invention, Constructs, Dreams...
I see nothing beyond Light that could be construed as required to keep the world working. Moreover there are already things in place that will continue to keep the world working regardless of the sun.
(The spires existed before the sun as the first source of light for basic creatures. Then they became artifacts capable of maintaing a Jungle on a dead world. Anyway... We've got a life-god so it wouldn't matter as life would by definition continue.)
I don't condone nixing Adahan. However getting some restraint would be good.
But don't look at the domains only. Look at my creations. All of my PP expenditures. Specifically, start thinking of the worst they could do.
PS: As for the life-god thing...well, taking all you guys out IS one of the things all those 23 PP will cause. When I said four-fold, I was only talking about what could happen to the earth. :P
All Thrael'kriss really has todo is make the efort to bind you.
The control of the Concept of Freedom trumps anything you can do if he wishes to deny you yours. The only thing that could allow you out would be "Escape" or something siomilar as a concept.
One: The idea of cutting off escape has occured to Thrael'kriss before and once done he can't forget the process. (He used the same form of fighting against Ator.)
Two: If you spend the power to directly enforce your will on a situation you gain control of it. IE I spend the point to attack you I use the Concept of Freedom to deny you yours. The moment I focused upon the situation I could control it.
I repeat if I act against you I can deny you freedom.
All I need is PP to spend.
Or if you try to wanted to say... kill everyone again, it wouldn't work.
Which you'll do sometime.
Air existed in the gap between Agrilnost having it and me having it. Same goes for lightning. Earth existed before Ongor, though not long.
Even more, Agrilnost couldn't had had the idea to seperate earth, wind, and water it he couldn't be inventive. Same goes foe deciding to create both Ongor and Thrael'kriss. Arcane Magic existed before Ueberroth claimed Arcane Magic as a concept.
To exert full control over your concept is going to cost P_P anyway, which you have none of.
lol.
I use weird constructions because I think that way.
Edit: And my god isn't all that prone to using big words... Well he isn't suposed to be at least.
This entire thing is a pride fight?!?!?
*tears up*
I'm so proud.
In this both Tzu'misel and Khavus may have word, as they are part of the Cycle themselves.
Consider this invitation to speak with me.
I'll say here that I have made some updates to the Pantheon, and I'd like you guys' opinions.
Edit: Of course, as soon as I post that, he comes back and drops two new posts.
Bah, he's logged off. I would have liked to have this resolved.
Edit: Of course, as soon as I post that, he comes back and drops two new posts.
Who? Delfedd?
For now you just need to ask ad we'll offer what information you need.
I actually have a list in my head, it's only missing some of the weirder things.
Sun should go to Khavus and dreams to Ongor.
<---snip--->
Suddenly, he exploded. In a burst of rage, he emitted a wave of blinding bright red light that reached the bowels of the earth. His shout resounded, and everyone could hear him.
NO! I AM NOT OKAY! MY FATHER HAS JUST BEEN SLAIN, MY BROTHERS ARE SELFISH BASTARDS, AND I...I...I don't know what to do! He said as he broke down, sobbing. He remained this way for a while, but when he finally composed himself, he had changed. His "voice" had a harder edge, he had a purpose, his light shone brighter.
I'm alright now, Kraid. As ironic as it may sound, I have seen the light.
My brothers, they cannot be trusted. They just do what they want to fulfill their desires, with no regards to what will happen afterwards. If they are not restrained, they will one day destroy everything in one of their skirmishes.
Until now, I have simply observed, content to learn new things. Now, I shall be more active. I shall not simply watch, I shall remain vigilant, ready to intervene between the gods. Whatever plans they scheme, I shall thrwart them. Whatever changes they bring, I shall supervise. You and me, Kraid, will be the balancing force between the gods.
((I think I'll need to add "meddlesome kid" to my portfolio. :P
More seriously, this represents a change in my alter ego's behaviour. Now, he's still curious and interested in learning, but not if it means letting the other gods do what they want. He doesn't regard the other gods as colleagues and friends anymore, but rather he thinks of them as natural forces. He's going to try and stop anything the other gods plan to do that could cause a great imbalance or destruction. He's grown up, in a way.))
Adahan's first impulse was to reject Thral'Kriss' explanation, to chase him away now that he was powerless and to retain the high ground. But it would be wrong, and he knew it. It would only provide a meager revenge, and then leave him feeling even worse. It left him drained, and exhausted, but he uttered these words:
...I understand, brother. I hope you'll understand too, however, if I tell you I shall not let something like this ever happen again.
I must let you know something else. I thank you for your quick action. You have bought us more time, and while this world is doomed, we may yet save our creatures...and ourselves.
<---snip--->
But of course!
With a burst of insight, Adahan knew what to do. Taking the light from the sun, he directed a mighty beam to the Dream Sequencer. The artifact empowered the light, to the point that even he couldn't see through it. Then, he turned the dream sequencer, and released the light. It tore through the earth...
...crossed the lowest layers...
...and hit the crystal spires. The light expanded through the web they formed, tightening the earth around it, and forming pulsing lines of light. Then, it repulsed the sky, keeping them apart. The push forced Adahan backwards, sending him through the nether, far away from home. From the depths of space he sent a message.
...It is done, my brothers and sisters. My light will keep the world bound through Thrael'Kriss' crystals. It has formed lines that surround the earth...ley lines, that is their name.
The crystals now hold our world together. Watch over them, for if they fall, there will truly be nothing that will save our world from devastation.
Our world...incidentally, we must name it. I think it's name should be Galara, "That which holds together". What do you think of it?
Adahan was growing weak. He was tired, and needed to sleep...the void that surrounded him should be a comfortable bed.
I shall be gone for a while. Kraid will represent me until I return. Now, if you'll excuse me, I need to sleep...
((Create Plane, 3 PP + 1 from the Dream Sequencer.
I hope that wasn't what you were thinking about. Now, there is something that holds the world together. I wonder how that will work along with the new god?))
Finally. One of the zones had been penetrated. Adahan started investigating the mind. He could sense change, determination...
Fire. He gasped.
Khadesh! He was entering the mind of the goddess of the flames!
Not yet fully over with the rage he had experienced before Galara unraveled, he felt a momentary urge to snuff her life. It would be so easy to wipe her mind and leave her like plant, less than even the smallest animal...
He repressed the thought. Everyone deserved a second chance. Just in case, however, he planted a detector, an undetectable part of himself that would inform him about the goddess' thoughts.
Exploring the mind, he soon came upon the nightmares. He absorbed them, and memorized them. They could come in handy, should he ever have to confront Khadesh.
His analysis completed, Adahan withdrew, taking the information about the nightmares and leaving the detector behind. There were other minds to crack open.
The first contact had been established. Good. The Spark had questions, questions Adahan hadn't hear any of the other gods ask. Better answer him. There was no telling what a confused god could do.
Ah. So you have met Khadesh? Interesting. She's brash, and has a penchant for destruction. Perhaps that is the reason you didn't like her.
But yes, there are other gods that roam the earth. There is my brother Thrael'Kriss, keeper of the Cycle; Ongor, the great worm; Ueberroth, one of the masters of the oceans; Myxiniron, mistress of darkness and my involuntary adversary; There are also two others gods, or Sparks, of which I don't know much, except that one of them is the master of the sky, and the other one controls conflict.
Those are the other gods. They are impulsive, and the clash of their desires has already led to a great disaster. Because of this, I have made it my duty to watch over them, to be prepared to intervene should a conflict between gods erupt, he explained.
I am curious. Over what part of the world do you have power? What is it you control?
...Disturbance. Suddenly, Adahan felt mild discomfort. He could still hear the whispers, only that their tone was now one of fear, of pain. He wondered what was happening.
He concentrated on the creatures of the cycle. Soon, the cause of his discomfort became clear: giants were destroying everything they came across.
Had he had a mouth, Adahan would have smiled. Now it was time to start to play his part as a balancing factor. He sent a message to Thrael'Kriss:
Brother, your creations are under attack. I dislike this, and wanted to ask something of you: if the giants' acts anger you like they anger me, let me attempt to defuse the situation first.
Then, he started working. How could he stop the giants? It would be all too easy to simply erase their minds, but that wouldn't solve anything. No, he had to try something different...
As the giants rampaged through the jungle, they suddenly stopped. Their pitiful mental defenses falling before Adahan's assault, he was quick to rewrite their minds. From earth they had been born, and from earth they would live. No more would animals be subject to their tyranny.
Just in case, Adahan also modified the mind of the titans. He filled them with fear, a paralyzing indecision. That should keep them from doing something like this again.
The giants hadn't stopped. While Adahan had managed to instill fear into the titans, their underlings were now more ferocious than ever. It was time to do something more drastic.
Concentrating on the part of his consciousness that observed the real world, the Sun-God searched for the part of himself that had free will. Soon, he had found Kraid. Then, he spoke:
Kraid.
The construct looked around, evidently surprised yet pleased to hear his master's voice.
Master! At last! You have returned!
Not yet, my friend. Not yet. But we'll discuss that later. There's something I need you to do. Look at the earth. Do you see the giants spreading thrugh the jungle?
Yes. I do.
Good. Find them and annihilate them.
The construct flinched, taken aback by the order he had received.
Why? What have they done?
They are rampaging through the jungle, killing every creature they see. There is no reason other than their bloodlust for that. Thus, they must be punished for their deeds.
The construct nodded.
Very well, Master. I'll do as you say.
And with that, he took off and headed towards the earth.
Satisfied, Adahan then contacted Thrael'Kriss.
Brother. It seems my attempt at pacifying the giants has failed. In fact, they have become worse. I have decided that, if they cannot live in peace, they won't live at all. Will you help me push them back to their homes and give them a punishment they won't forget?
((Attack God, 0 PP. +1 for having the help of my exarch.))
The great construct momentarily stopped his carnage to look at the angel. When he spoke, his voice was completely emotionless.
Neither my Master nor I have anything against you and your kin. I have only come down to stop the giants of the earth-god whose cruelty is damaging innocent creatures.
If you wish to join the cycle, my master has the power to do it. However, he shall not tolerate the use of force or the clashes between gods.
You say you want to join the cycle. Join me in it's defense, then!
...Stop.
...Stop.
...Stop.
Stop.
All of you. You have lost your direction, and forgotten the reason for this battle.
Adahan sent a stronger mental message to Ongor, while the other gods could listen to the echos.
Ongor. Your giants went wild. They invaded Thrael'Kriss' domain, slaughtering his subjects for no good reason. They were punished, as they should have been for their vile, violent, senseless act.
Thrael'Kriss. We have succeeded in what we intended. The giants have been stopped, and so have been Myxiniron's antilives.
Ator. What you say has a ring of truth. Thrael'Kriss is extremely ruthless with his children. We are, however, in no position to criticize him. Unless he invades our domains or his own subjects ask us for help, we have no reason to intervene.
And now, listen to me, all of you. It was from a skirmish similar to this one that Galara unraveled and our father was slain. I shall not allow your insecurities and pettiness to doom our world. I am content to live and let live, but if none of you can control your egos, he said as he sent his feelings (cold, dangerous determination) to the other gods, and live together, then none of you shall live, at all. I would sooner be the cause of the death of all my brothers and sisters than let them lead more and more worlds into destruction.
Do not believe this to be an exaggeration. I have the power to do what I say.
And now, all of you, return to your domains. This battle is over.
They were punished, as they should have been for their vile, violent, senseless act. this one sticks out...
No. You are supposed to leave everyone alone and just concentrate on your projects.
Much as I helped Thrael'Kriss now, I might be by your side tomorrow. I'm simply opposed to anyone who tries to enforce their will upon the other gods.
<---SNIP--->
But that matters not. Thrael'Kriss has offered to sign the peace. If you still wish for him to pay over the death of Agrilnost, who acted rashly, you may summon the gods and put him to trial. I was there, and know that Thrael'Kriss just defended the weak, the innocent, but the other gods shall decide if that was indeed what happened and what his punishment should be, if it satisfies you.
Now, what will it be, Ongor? Will you sign the peace and help me conduct the trial, or will you insist on war?
<---SNIP--->
Very well. Then, I sign the pact, and shall oppose those who break it.
<---SNIP--->
<---SNIP--->
In the Sidahri senate, the men and women who governed the fate of the Sidahri race were discussing the creation of new schools when a bright light waltzed into the room.
Children, I wish to speak with you.
Yes, lord? What is it you want?
I have been watching Galara, the land Tyrael orbits around. The children of the other gods have discovered many things, and destroyed many others. I wish to learn more about them. Could you please gather a few thousand men? I have a task for them.
A few days later, the Sun-God found himself addressing the expeditionary force, comprised of some of the best elements of society. While they hailed from many different backgrounds, all of them shared one thing in common: all of them were master shapeshifters. That was key to the plan, that all of them could act just like the creatures whose shape they assumed.
Children, have you ever thought of the earth? Of those who make their homes there, of the many strange lands you could see?
A "yes" could be heard.
Today, you'll meet them, face to face. Today...you'll travel to the earth. You shall assume the shape of the races you meet, and shall enter their society. You'll learn as much as you can from them, and will keep a watchful eye. And, if one of the other races threatens the world...you'll act, and from the shadows, you'll strike.
You now belong to a select group, children. You are my Watchmen, who oversee the events of the world from behind a mask.
Now, prepare yourselves. I shall transport you to the earth.
Instantly, great beams of light erupted from the moon. They fell on the earth, sometimes piercing the world to reach it's depths, always falling on the other races' centers of power. Lines could be seen falling from the moon, using the beams as a transport.
Meanwhile, the Sidahri quietly snuck into the world, using the distraction to land on lands where no creature lived. Then, they scattered, joining the races they would spy.
<---SNIP--->
Again. They never learned, did they? Chaos and devastation, tearing through the world. With a sigh, Adahan descended to the earth, wanting to speak with his brother and his sister.
Thrael'Kriss, what have you done? Again, you've had a hand in the death of a god. I understand your rage, but please, do not act so recklessly once again. You remember the cataclysm, right? Well, your actions led to it, and I don't think I'll feel like keeping the world bound again if history repeats itself. In fact, as I see what you and my other siblings do, I feel more and more tempted to just snuff the world and any gods that live on it and start again.
Think of this. Ator defeated you, but did so fairly, in a way. He didn't even use his divine powers, just his wits and sense of opportunity. He won. You should just have accepted that and focused on how to triumph over him.
His reptiles, for instance, are another story. They are a plague, and consequently, they shall be exterminated.
Across the world, the anaxim suddenly grew fur. Having scanned the primitive minds of the reptiles, Adahan had found out about their hatred of all things furry. How surprised would they be when the sheep turned out to be a wolf!
Soon, the reptiles numbers had been thinned, annihilated by the mechanical peacekeepers.
I must now leave to talk with Khadesh, brother. Meditate about my words. I have nothing against you, but your actions shall not be tolerated.
Entering the goddess' volcano, he spoke towards the green flame.
Khadesh, your fury is out of control. Incinerating another god? I can accept that, even approve of it given the circumstances. But taking his children, burning them to a crisp, and then perverting their souls, turning them into vile mockeries of their previous glory? No. That is unacceptable. I shall warn you once.
Give the angels' souls back.
I have no patience for this displays of brutality. You are change and revolution, that is true, but you are also destruction. And you shall learn to control your impulses, or you won't even have them at all.
I have control over your mind, remember. Your fears, your dreams, your hopes...I know about them. I can crush them, twist them, and break them in half. Remember that, firechild.
And with that, he left.
<---SNIP--->
I'm going to stop now. I think I have enough reference material for the trial. Everyone should feel free to use these.
I had to add this one:
You ask me why I do not act. Haven't you thought of the reason? I detest violence. I tire of seeing my siblings act like children, taking what they want and never giving anything back. However, I do not wish to eliminate them. I believe that they can still learn. So far, I have been proven wrong, but there is still hope. Only when I'm completely sure that none of you are capable of learning how to live together will I flick the switch.
This one too because of the linking themes:
Again. Another god dead, this time through suicide. It seemed like a cycle, short periods of peace followed by destruction and the death of another sibling.
Or perhaps not. Leaving the Straw, Adahan used his blinding speed to search the world. Soon, he found what he was looking for, a small orb of ice, encasing a piece of Pravus. Hesitatingly, he picked up, thinking of what to do with it when he returned to the Straw.
He didn't need to worry about that. As soon as he touched it, the orb shattered, the ice piercing him as the precious content entered his psyche. He closed his eyes, not willing to know what had happened to him just yet.
When he opened his eyes, things had changed. Just like it had happened when he took control of the dreamscape, he could see another layer of the world. In it, everything was colorless, every creature a shade of it's real self. Some of them, particularly the younger creatures, were of a bright white color, but most of them were a dull, blackish grey. Just concentrating on each creature, Adahan knew what it had done earlier in its life, its motives and the consequences of its actions. He also knew how to measure them, and the reward or punishment they should ultimately receive for their actions.
Then, he felt a slight tug. Turning to face towards the place he was being pulled towards, he saw Khadesh, battered and bloody, surrounded by demons, each of them a jet black figure. In the middle of them stood the archdemon Bael, no longer a color, but rather a deep void in the middle of space.
Adahan shuddered. It's crimes were so great his very existence was an affront to the world. He had to be eliminated, quickly. But how? He was far away from the Straw, and could not command it from land.
As he pondered how to exact the punishment, he realized something: he was more powerful than ever before. He could feel divine might dripping from him, a force into which he could tap more directly than ever. Suddenly, he knew what to do.
DIE, FIEND.
As Bael gloated, his offer was cut short. Where he had previously been, there was nothing. He had disappeared. Meanwhile, the demons were being exterminated by an invisible ricocheting arrow. Before they could scatter, a quarter of them had fallen.
Adahan entered the volcano, prepared to finish the despicable creatures off, when he saw Khadesh. Through his new eyes, she was also a deep black. However, in the middle of the darkness, there was a small white sparkle. Curious, the Sun God approached the goddess of the flames, and touched her.
Instantly, he was transported into a chaos, a maelstrom of confusion. He knew where he was, as soon as he saw one of his Father's hydras: Khadesh's mind. He had entered this place before, had seen the fears of the Everflame. Reaching out, he spoke to her:
You are in pain, close to unraveling, my sister. But I can heal those wounds, and ease your mind of suffering, if you face judgement for your crimes. Will you let me erase the pain?
((Having obtained control over Law, Adahan can now oversee the actions of other creatures and judge them. Along with that, he has discovered a way to tap into the power of the Straw from a distance, utilizing his new sphere for that.
PS: No idea about the action to take to erase Bael. Any ideas on the price to pay?))
Just in case:
No, my brother, this fiend must not be allowed to live. He was punished once, and sought revenge...and almost achieved it. He must be eliminated, and not even the memory of his existence must remain, lest he destroy the universe with his madness, Adahan said, intensifying his attack on the demon.
Think of it. His machinations have already caused the death of one of us, and incredible pain to another one. Do you want to leave him alive to plot against us all?
((Rule 1 of everything: Never let something you do come back to bite you in the ass. This has a crapton of potential for that, so let's make sure it doesn't happen.))
Last nail for the coffin I think:
<---SNIP--->
*If this modifer seems strange, remember that RitD houses part of Adahan's personality, and that includes who he WAS, not just who he IS. Because of this, RitD still think like Adahan did when he was young, seeking to do good in the world.
Name:Eckral
Domain:Strategy,Intellectualism
Alignment:Unaligned
Physical Appearance:A Half Man,Half fox in the armor of a samurai.
Symbol:A yin yang with a sword on it.
Im not sure what else i should have,maybe i should jump into the IN CHARACTER forums and start from there.
That said, you're in.
Oh i have another question.I really dont know how to make an entrance.Im looking at the last few posts and i have no idea of the landscaping.I really have no big physical element to control so i cant make a pond in the middle of the mountains.Really all i have is armor,and a sword,and smarts.Could i just put like i awoke under a tree somewhere?
I thought of a way to form,it would be elegant and peaceful.
Really just a breeze blew past some lotus trees and the blossoms formed me.I like that a lot.But i just don't want to jump into it if theres some kind of batter going on.Really i don't think there is.
The map, courtesy of MatthewSwift.
PS: I guess Khadesh and I should have not done our thing so soon.. Had Pravus stayed my next concept was going to be "Judgement"... I was just going to turn him into Judge Dredd basically.. But still. Oh well. ;P
Well i posted my entrance,but i can only do things in my domain right?
Ill have to tell what i observe right?
Heh, I find this to be a funny trend: Gods have a great conflict and a new god shows up.
I see it humorous as well,but what im about to do in the in character thread is going to make me known.
Thank you for the welcome.
What i did is now done.
:invasion:
Exoldrin,or something along those lines.
Hymphonyte.
I dont know,i will have to think of one.
Regardless of how Adahan was shackled there is still the case of the charges being pressed against him from Ra'Ver-Alec. You don't get to cop out by pushing the blame to someone else. If anything this would just make Thrillseeker another being to be placed on trial. Right now your case is weak and irritating in that Adahan is refusing to take responsibility for his own actions.
No one else made Adahan do what he did.
Im sure it is,ill just go and check it out.
I wouldnt want any other god to pick on such a new guy,and really im sure ill be fine.It dosent seem ive cause any disruptions already.I guess making an island wont cause a god to be disrupted.
It's a classic defense, and has always stood in court. It's not only the guy who enacted the crime who should be punished, but also the guy who instigated it.
Surely, if we had discovered that you had been trapped by a creation or yours that you were unaware of, at least I would have attempted to free you, on your promise to eliminate the rogue.
Do not forget the fact that Adahan was a resident within Khavus head/dreamscape. Given that Adahan found a way to communicate with Khavus in this form the negligence falls upon Adahan.
Adahan could have asked that Khavus talk to the other gods pertaining to your current predicament. In this manner you would have been able to investigate the matter. Upon investigation you would have talked with Ator sorting out what happened with the Pact Stars. Additionally when you first agreed to the pact you knew the terms of your imprisonment and should of thus been aware in the smallest that the pact had somehow been broken.
Not to be forgotten is the detail where once you were out of Khavus head you were able to communicate yet again with your own creations. This was yet another chance for Adahan to talk to Ator about the Pact Stars and the apparent broken oath.
As evidenced by the current situation everything points back to Adahan and his negligence, not Ator.
To tell the truth, I had at least half a dozen ways to pull out ready. Problem is, most of them required PP, so they were out.
Also, on the subject of the trial, this is what the defense will do: Plead temporary insanity, present the attenuating facts, and accept the responsibility on it.
Before that point you were trying to talk with Khavus rationally in an attempt to help the new goddess with achieving balance.
You used metagame knowledge to initiate a conflict that made no sense according to Adahan's previous actions...
Wrong your defense fails in this manner due to the fact that you agreed to the pact. In addition, Adahan was still responsible for the creation of Thrillseeker.
Do not forget the fact that Adahan was a resident within Khavus head/dreamscape. Given that Adahan found a way to communicate with Khavus in this form the negligence falls upon Adahan.
Adahan could have asked that Khavus talk to the other gods pertaining to your current predicament. In this manner you would have been able to investigate the matter. Upon investigation you would have talked with Ator sorting out what happened with the Pact Stars. Additionally when you first agreed to the pact you knew the terms of your imprisonment and should of thus been aware in the smallest that the pact had somehow been broken.
Not to be forgotten is the detail where once you were out of Khavus head you were able to communicate yet again with your own creations. This was yet another chance for Adahan to talk to Ator about the Pact Stars and the apparent broken oath.
As evidenced by the current situation everything points back to Adahan and his negligence, not Ator.
This all goes back: How could he KNOW? Did Adahan have any REASON to suspect that?
No. Thus, negligence.
Think of it, honestly: Could Adahan, without metagaming, have learnt about the thrillseeker and the broken oath, being completely incommunicado from the outside world? No.
You were not commpletely incomunicado with the outside world. You were able to speak to Khavus, who was speaking to both me and Locke. Considering you wer able to listen in, you could have asked us to try and discover what was trapping you, or perhaps had fate check your thread to find out. Matthew did give you free reign to spek through Khavus. You were able to communicate.
My point right here! This ties back to my previous post! You could have communicated and we all know it. Thus Adahan is negligent for not even trying to communicate. You even said you were trapped and did not understand. You could have talked to others. Reasoning would be to ask Why?
I mean that's how Adahan started this game right? Asking Why? What is thought? All of that ties into Adahan's personality and you ignored that part of Adahan! You flat out chose to ignore that part of his personality. Therefore he is negligent in not acting in a more peaceful manner.
Hell did you even try to have him figure it out?
Instead...
the difference between the Atrocities I've committed versus you is that I tend not to have anyone on my side willing to help.
You had the god of Fate right there. Screw being imrisoned just ask him to get you out.
My point right here! This ties back to my previous post! You could have communicated and we all know it. Thus Adahan is negligent for not even trying to communicate. You even said you were trapped and did not understand. You could have talked to others. Reasoning would be to ask Why?
I mean that's how Adahan started this game right? Asking Why? What is thought? All of that ties into Adahan's personality and you ignored that part of Adahan! You flat out chose to ignore that part of his personality. Therefore he is negligent in not acting in a more peaceful manner.
Hell did you even try to have him figure it out?
But he didn't even KNOW! He DIDN'T know he was trapped! Hell, d'you think I'd have done it this way if I had found a way to slip this knowledge into the game? NO! I had many, MANY other ways to get out ready! I could have used everyone's minds as a collective springboard, used light to power a ram to bring the barrier down, and more! But I COULDN'T. Frikkin'. DO IT IC!
You could very well have spoken to the present gods and asked for aid.
Instead you used force.
Again I point to the point when Adahan had left Khavus mind and he encountered the barrier. You were aware of a barrier at that point and you were able to communicate with your creations. Why didn't Adahan ask, "Why?" at that point. It is given that if you can communicate with your creations than you can communicate with the gods.
Where was the why that is so evident in Adahan's nature?
Yes, I knew that. But I didn't know about the OTHER barriers. THOSE are the ones I'm talking about.
Honestly, do you think there was a way for me to know about those? If the others gods didn't even know about them, how could I have learned about them, eh?
You would have learned the other barriers when Ra'Ver told you your position.
All Adahan had to do was investigate the situation. You placed those barriers yourself in your post. You created the situation. You were the one who got carried away and did not think all of the possibilities through.
Delfedd told you that Adahan would be able to get free through Role Playing.
So the point remains that you ignored Adahan's inquisitive nature in favor of this conflict. That is metagaming as well.
Had I sensed a more powerful barrier, or something, yeah, asking would have made sense. But I didn't, so it didn't fit, at all.
GOD OF FATE
Right in front of you no less.
All you had to ask was:
"I appear to be trapped, can you aid me in freedom?"
POOF
You know the problems facing your escape, and you escape. Both at once in one shot.
You can't ask about hurdles you don't know but you can ask about what you do know.
Why?
ahem:
GOD OF FATE
Right in front of you no less.
All you had to ask was:
"I appear to be trapped, can you aid me in freedom?"
POOF
You know the problems facing your escape, and you escape. Both at once in one shot.
You can't ask about hurdles you don't know but you can ask about what you do know.
Really? How? Asking him "hey, can you tell fate that I'm no longer trapped?"?
Ra'Ver can't do that, as far as I know. At least, that's what he's said.
Locke: Because I DID know. I was inside Khadesh's mind, and when it changed into Khavus', part of it vanished. Because I was STILL bound to that, yet couldn't sever the ties, I was trapped.
Heck, it didn't take me long to ask for a prophecy, and I'm not even in a difficult situation.
That kind of tactics fit Ongor and Thral'kriss much more than Adahan.
If you had been in my place, HOW would you have pulled out? Considering that attempts at circumventing being trapped in the first and finding a way to avoid the barriers were both shot down simultaneously (AKA, Time travel), was there ANYTHING else that could be done other than breaking a portion of Khavus mental barriers, big or small, and walking out?
What I said in a previous post was that we, me being included in the we, may not be able to understand the prophecy given.
And had you asked the god of fate why you were trapped on both occasions I could have traced your thread back to the pact star. That in turn would have led back to Ator. There we could have resolved the situation.
Also, a question directed to everyone:
If you had been in my place, HOW would you have pulled out? Considering that attempts at circumventing being trapped in the first and finding a way to avoid the barriers were both shot down simultaneously (AKA, Time travel), was there ANYTHING else that could be done other than breaking a portion of Khavus mental barriers, big or small, and walking out?
Yes. You could have role played your way out by teaching Khavus to master her balance between being the god of both heat and cold.
My description would have been along the lines of:
Khavus focused on her too conflicting aspects alternating between the two taking them to their extremes. One moment Khavus is an icy impregnable force of will. The next moment she was a fiery chaos burning all within sight.
"Good Khavus! You are learning to master yourself. Now turn inward and focus on your conscious state. Feel me residing within your conscious." said Adahan.
"Now imagine yourself a free burning chaos of fire on the inside. Pure passion and freedom unbound and free to venture wherever you wish at a thoughts whim."
Adahan felt Khavus mind expand and loosen around him a sense of freedom in his confined quarters.
"Excellent! Now I need you to reflect inward on your conscious self. Ease your fiery nature and bring it under control. Focus now on your icy nature, solidify your thoughts into pure logic and become a calm and tranquil surface."
Now Adahan felt claustrophobic as the mental barriers held him tightly in place. He felt as though he was an ancient beast trapped within a glacier.
"You are doing great Khavus. Now we will attempt to expunge myself from your conscious. Focus inward now on me. Imagine myself as a small star within the vast space of your mind. In your mind the icy walls surrounding the star don't melt, your will is to strong for that."
Adahan felt the mental link between Khavus and himself growing stronger.
"Now retain the ice around the small star. You are the ice and the star is me. I now need you to call upon your fiery nature and focus it upon me. Feed the star life with your fiery nature. Feel the star begin to pulse within the icy prison. Now feed the star the full extreme of your fiery nature. All of your fiery passion and freedom unbridled."
"See the star within your icy domain pulse with your fiery nature. Feel the ice around the star melt. Will that water to reform into ice pushing the star away. Watch as the star slides through the ice echoing your fiery nature. See the star reaching the edges of the icy domain. There at the edges is another space endless in it's expanse. Slide the star to that space. Allow the star to float away as you withdraw the fiery nature you gave it. Solidify the exit with the water, back into the impregnable wall. Imagine the star floating away from your mind free of the ice and fire; free to roam the space..."
Alas Adahan felt Khavus mental barriers release him. He was free at last to return home...
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I would have gone for that and would have rolled with the second barrier by exploring my options.
Also, a question directed to everyone:
If you had been in my place, HOW would you have pulled out? Considering that attempts at circumventing being trapped in the first and finding a way to avoid the barriers were both shot down simultaneously (AKA, Time travel), was there ANYTHING else that could be done other than breaking a portion of Khavus mental barriers, big or small, and walking out?
I would have had fun with the situation. "Oh snap! I'm stuck!!! OK, how do I get out? I'm in the mind of a GOD. Things in the minds of GODS tend to become reality... Khavus could
a) dream me back into reality (or at least the dream plane).
b) Spend pp to RE-create god.
c) get help.
you suggested nothing. So I assumed you had more than the back to the future contingency. Then you blew a hole in my head FLCL style.
I tried getting you out in fun. I thought you had some sort of plan OOC for being my head. Otherwise using the power of a GOD, which basically means doing anything you damn well please (with a few limits) to get out of your predicament.
TWICE.
Other than that, I gotta say Conflict's doing a bang up job. Trouble maker deals with devils in blue...
Heat, Cold, and Balance from Khavus and Dream from Adahan.
If needed you could add a fifth which is Rebirth by having Adahan go supernova as the star in the space. The space being the metaphorical outside. When you go nova you become reborn through Khavus' rebirth ability in Galara. Here you could:
A) Remain as Adahan
or
B) Transform Adahan into his son from the Rebirth of Khavus' Domain.
I would have had fun with the situation. "Oh snap! I'm stuck!!! OK, how do I get out? I'm in the mind of a GOD. Things in the minds of GODS tend to become reality... Khavus could
a) dream me back into reality (or at least the dream plane).
b) Spend pp to RE-create god.
c) get help.
you suggested nothing. So I assumed you had more than the back to the future contingency. Then you blew a hole in my head FLCL style.
I tried getting you out in fun. I thought you had some sort of plan OOC for being my head. Otherwise using the power of a GOD, which basically means doing anything you damn well please (with a few limits) to get out of your predicament.
TWICE.
Other than that, I gotta say Conflict's doing a bang up job. Trouble maker deals with devils in blue...
Also:
I did. Two plans, in fact. Sadly, the higher ups vetoed them one after the other, fearing I'd use it for something I hadn't even thought of. The backup plans also crashed, because they'd result in yet another paradox. So I was left with a plan I made up hundreds of posts ago, and which I had come to dislike because it was cheaper than breathing. And well, this was the result.
Edit- My explanation has nothing to do with the physicality of heat and cold.
So, I go out...but I can't go out, because I'm cursed. What happens? It's the same thing I wanted when I time traveled, a one and a zero at the same time. And I have this gut feeling the answer would have been "no, that can't happen".
This was what I was talking about in the previous post when I mentioned a paradox.
So, I go out...but I can't go out, because I'm cursed. What happens? It's the same thing I wanted when I time traveled, a one and a zero at the same time. And I have this gut feeling the answer would have been "no, that can't happen".
In that case then you can expand on my metaphor add in the rebirth domain and make Adahan anew as a different god.
That new reborn Adahan would not be tied to the damn pact star.
You are trying to over complicate this.
From there you'd have to have found another step.
Conveniently the god of freedom is perfectly capable of going through the dreamworld.
But you went for the "Hulk Smash" approach.
Thrael'kriss may have done that if he really needed to in your position, but then Khavus is an ally... So he would have done it as a last resort.
Why would it not work? You would be reborn into the world a new god.
Edit- But mine doesn't create a paradox.
Believe me, I understand the frustration. Because this is exactly what my original plan was all about! I'm just reskinning and repeating the arguments others presented.
He wants his plans to unfold in the right direction without hitch. That's the problem.
Now I like my plans to go in the "right" direction, but if my plans aren't all that well recieved I let it get fixed into something that everyone agrees with.
Armisael just wants his plans to be left as he wishes them to be.
That works only when you don't have to keep the dynamics of a group reation effort functioning properly.
In other words: His plan wasn't recieved the way he wanted and he's now fighting back.
Note: Do not apply logic to a forum game. It only creates problems.
My method shows Adahan being reborn into Galara as a new god. The old adahan doesn't exist any more, he is gone. He was reborn.
Reborn as a new god.
Question?
*shrug*
He wants his plans to unfold in the right direction without hitch. That's the problem.
Now I like my plans to go in the "right" direction, but if my plans aren't all that well recieved I let it get fixed into something that everyone agrees with.
Armisael just wants his plans to be left as he wishes them to be.
That works only when you don't have to keep the dynamics of a group reation effort functioning properly.
In other words: His plan wasn't recieved the way he wanted and he's now fighting back.
Note: Do not apply logic to a forum game. It only creates problems.
Nah, that's not the case. If I had wanted it that way, the split personality would have researched a "die" spell and would have been done with it. What I wanted was for the beginning of a new arc, which didn't involve any other gods, to go off without a hitch. Apparently, nobody liked it, even though I offered to draft an OOC contract explaining what I could and couldn't do with everyone's help, though I knew and expected that everyone would try to stop the split personality and was okay with that, and though I explicitly offered to drop the sticky parts of time traveling that would make me hilariously overpowered and never mention them again for the sake of a good story.
Look at my damn metaphor please!
My method shows Adahan being reborn into Galara as a new god. The old adahan doesn't exist any more, he is gone. He was reborn.
Reborn as a new god.
Question?
What happens in the intermezzo before the old one dies and the new one is reborn? What happens to his memories? Does he remember his plans? Does he even HAVE power over the things the old version did? Wouldn't that trigger the dead man's switch I prepped on my artifacts and plane?
Yeah. That's where the problem is. :P
I'm sorry but you are a god, you could quite literally will your memories and personality into the new god you wanted to play.
You can pass your domains onto the reborn god as Khadesh did with Khavus.
You can do whatever you want with the planes and artifacts as they belonged to you.
You could imprint a part of you onto the new god so that your plane and domains recognize the new god as Adahan.
You can do dozens of things to explain what you want to do with your character just use your imagination and some logic.
I was just doing exactly what everyone else did to my idea. Apparently, one loophole is accepted better than another one. :P
Do you get why I was feeling quite vicious when I had to revert to Plan "ha-ha, I added a glaring loophole to the contract, suckers!"? I was extremely angry, because a good idea had been screwed even when I had declared myself willing to accept any limitations that they wanted to impose on me, and I had no desire to go back to a really underhanded and boring plotwise plan (Seriously, get out as soon as I'm trapped? How boring and idiotic could it get? What was I smoking when I planned that? ANYTHING was better than that. Anything.).
I understand your reasoning behind what you did. My irritation stemmed from the fact that your actions were influenced by metagame (the people rejecting your strategy) as the adahan everyone knew up to that point acts very differently than an impulsive god like Thrael'kriss. It felt very much out of character is all.
If you cannot exit, but you exit, you DO cause a paradox.
Believe me, I understand the frustration. Because this is exactly what my original plan was all about! I'm just reskinning and repeating the arguments others presented.
What I wanted was for the beginning of a new arc, which didn't involve any other gods, to go off without a hitch. Apparently, nobody liked it, even though I offered to draft an OOC contract explaining what I could and couldn't do with everyone's help, though I knew and expected that everyone would try to stop the split personality and was okay with that, and though I explicitly offered to drop the sticky parts of time traveling that would make me hilariously overpowered and never mention them again for the sake of a good story.
You're the only one saying you couldn't escape. You're the one who landed yourself in the situation. You settled on (knowingly) ticking off every other god in an attempt to start a new arc that included only your god (because THAT makes sense) instead of finding some other way to take control of time.
As it is your list of domains is sketch at best. Throw on time and see if it makes any more sense. I'm up for forcing you to give up sun, turning you into the moon god. To me THAT makes sense since you've got so much productive emphasis on sleep... The sun is just a weapon to Adahan. All you've done with it is try and make god nukes. *shrugs* Khavus would be a warmer sun goddess. Ra'ver Alec or Ongor would make a more lawful Law god.
Your creations really shine in the leather and velvet world of midnight metal. This trial could give you the sort of freedom you're going to need to utilize the sleepwalker and the thrillseeker. Otherwise, you might as well dream on.
Are you basically saying that you are holding him until Delfedd gets back?
When everyone who wants to comes to the trial, it will begin.
We'll leave it at that because I don't feel like talking about the details anymore.
I understand your reasoning behind what you did. My irritation stemmed from the fact that your actions were influenced by metagame (the people rejecting your strategy) as the adahan everyone knew up to that point acts very differently than an impulsive god like Thrael'kriss. It felt very much out of character is all.
Agreed. While that HONESTLY was more or less the original plan, I admit I was feeling particularly destructive when I went back to post, and it impaired my writing skills.
You're the only one saying you couldn't escape. You're the one who landed yourself in the situation. You settled on (knowingly) ticking off every other god in an attempt to start a new arc that included only your god (because THAT makes sense) instead of finding some other way to take control of time.
As it is your list of domains is sketch at best. Throw on time and see if it makes any more sense. I'm up for forcing you to give up sun, turning you into the moon god. To me THAT makes sense since you've got so much productive emphasis on sleep... The sun is just a weapon to Adahan. All you've done with it is try and make god nukes. *shrugs* Khavus would be a warmer sun goddess. Ra'ver Alec or Ongor would make a more lawful Law god.
Your creations really shine in the leather and velvet world of midnight metal. This trial could give you the sort of freedom you're going to need to utilize the sleepwalker and the thrillseeker. Otherwise, you might as well dream on.
Paragraph 1: ...eh? I wasn't actually planning on a new arc when I posted. That idea had been scrapped, and replaced with a cocktail of the original plan, made ages ago, plus a big dose of anger.
Paragraph 2: The bizarre list of domains was half intentional (half because, while I had an idea about that, I really can't control what ideas for domains spring up). The combination of very diverse fields has often led to new, unintended discoveries. Check out Isaac Asimov's "The dead past" for a good explanation of that. Basically, I went with the idea of light and reflections. Light hits one thing, BAM, it bounces of and illuminates something else, and that continues until everything is illuminated.
I disagree on Law, though. I consider it a very, very nice change of pace to have a god of Law who isn't a blind idiot that insists on following it even when it would be stupid to do so, one who actually looks at Law as something that can constantly be improved, and to do that, you need to find ways to break it. That would be like saying that Adahan would have to be like Pelor just because he has power over light.
Paragraph 3: I hadn't considered that. That makes a bizarre sort of sense, when I think of it. After all, the first monster I ever created for D&D was a creature that drew power off the moon. I'll have to think about this.
Novrim is that your plane?
Yes, it is. He made it with Myxiniron.
Your version and take on the Law domain leans more towards a vigilante view.
Wyld, I was hoping for the sorrowsworn to work with the lycanthropes in hunting down the ghosts in Shathinra, making for a rather epic adventure that leads to reconciliation between a few of our creations. I was expecting you to RP as the lycan warlock.
Could you please go back and edit that post?
I can make requisite changes.
I'll take a minute to brainstorm and change the post. Hold on.
I probably should have asked you about this OOC beforehand, but yeah.
I'll usually default to god-talk if I'm approached in anyway by servants of another god.
Just a quick heads-up as to how to ensure you get proper responses from me.
Thanks Space Dragon. I've been thinking. Maybe, about a half hour before each refresh, their should be a warning post here in the OOC. Gives people a chance to avoid that. I've been waiting for this arc to be over to create that, but since we had a chance before the trial, I decided to go ahead and do it.
Approved.
So the Ark gonna be some kind of super-weapon?
So:
Powerful Artifact.
Massive army of Lycanthropes.
Even with help from Ongor the rahkshasa may have some trouble.
Especially if Thrael'kriss is beseeched to aid the armies.
Also, a quick note about the Sorrowsworn. They believe they are doing good, but in reality Novirm isn't that great of a place. If other gods want to challenge Ongor's monopoly over the dead, now would be the time.
Space Dragon
Not around or not, I was planning on sending envoys to the Salamanders. I might be able to make a better offer than the Rakshasa's
The Lycanthropes wouldn't approach salamanders for the simple reason that the salamanders have nothing that they could ant.
On the other hand... Vast mountains of unused ore lie upon Sha'thrina. Which the salamanders would go wild for if they found out about.
I don't know...
Kendra? I mean she follows the Tenets, and will soon be serving as ambassador anyway.
Thus Cindersworn are out.
Which leaves elves. Elves would know the value of steel, and unlike Lycanthropes they will use weapons of a sort. (Ironwood weapons.)
Thus they would be great to work with outside races.
Wouldn't be right to pull it off without Delfedd around.
While Ator may not mind attacking a defenseless opponent some of us do. ;)
when you hand out PP is that total including the PP generated from artifacts?
If so Tzu'misel deserves one additional point, as he created an artifact which generates additional power last turn.
And I intend on creating an artifact to produce PP for myself.
If you could manage to hold off on the war effort for a while, that'd be awesome. I'm having a really stressful week and every waking hour is filled with work. I'm taking some time to catch up, when I discovered that you guys decided not to attack me. That made me feel good.
Makes my sneak attacks against your power bases work even better than.
:P
Thanks, and cya
But I can't promise I won't make some effort to undermine your supporters. :evillaugh
Humans are up.
Should be fun.
No more colored text.
Period.
Please correct me if I'm wrong because I feel very confused.
(70 miles/1 hour)*(5280 feet/1 mile)*(1 square/5 feet)*(1 hour/60 minutes)* (1 minute/60 seconds)*(6 seconds/1 round)*(1 round/2 move action)=
61.6 squares/1 move action?????
Did I mess something up? Because no race or monster in DnD has ever had a 61 square move speed.
Domain: Creation/Forge
Alignment: Neutral
Physical Appearance: A six armed insect-like biped.
Symbol: A hammer and anvil
You did make me start thinking about it, honestly. Thanks for that.
I think it should be fun. This god just sort of beat me over the head with himself, as opposed to Pravus, who I was struggling to make a character out of the entire time.
Dear gods yes! Someone with dwarfy ways in a position of dwarfish ways! huzzah, Sinasilver returns!
Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!?!
Dear gods yes! Someone with dwarfy ways in a position of dwarfish ways! huzzah, Sinasilver returns!
Aaaaye. I do appear to be a parallel of Moradin. But I don't plan on being too obsurdly parallel to him once I start getting some of my planned domains etc. Thanks for the warm welcome. ;)
Matthew and Shadow,
Did ya'll miss this post:
The Shadar-Kai, Kris Avandric, made his way along the river taking in the new landscape. He knew this place was a dangerous realm filled with fighting from the races of the other gods. Yet Kris didn't worry, he was a fervent believer in Fate. He knew he would die as Ra'Ver-Alec had taught them according to Fate. This is why he did not fear what would happen to him. He was a child of Fate and would accept what Fate gave him.
Filled with his confidence in Fate he made his way further down the great river then stopped suddenly on a most unusual sight. There before him were two humans carrying an Aventi to the waters against the Aventi's will.
What the...
That's when he noticed an Empyrean of to the side looking at him. The Empyrean called the two humans attention to Kris.
Oops... Well I might as well say hi, that is what I am here for.
As Kris finished the thought he made his way to the others making it clear that they could see him.
The others saw a pale gray skinned humanoid approach them. The being looked to be a male with long gray hair braided and pulled back. They noticed that his face had several tattoos of Runes in a language they did not know. As they followed the pattern of the tattoos they saw the various piercings covering his face. That's when they noticed the black orbs that were his eyes, they appeared to have no end to them. As if his eyes had glimpsed into the eternal void and saw something the others could not. He was of a physical build and lightly clothed in loose fitting gray and black garments. No weapon was in sight on his person.
Or is my attempt at a mortal just not worth your notice? ;)
Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!?!
Pravus (and Sinasilver) always felt like icy dwarves. (It's a bit of a stretch to turn titans into dwarves, but they were reclusive, highly structured and he lived under ice)
Sinasilver says "Aye" all the time.
The dude takes up the forge as his first domain.
He's got the dwarf style all over him.
I'll be a son of a midget if there aren't going to be little azers or dwarflings or something scurrying around before you know it (With or without his help)
Cindersworn still exist wherever the breeze didn't touch them. There are sure to be some underdark people ready to evolve into dwarves and such. Cindersworn + Salamander = Azer. It's simple fantasy biology my friend.
A gift to a fellow fire god? That's a story arc for another time though...
Fellow firegod, eh? Is that what you consider the forge?
Psst.
Look up at my other post too.
Kris, Cal, Rian, G (gonna be Cal's nickname for the Aventi, A little party bonding is about to happen. Promise Rian will remain as respectful as possible), and Miren
This is going to be an entertaining arc.
Alright, they actually put it a lot nicer than that, but it's true. I didn't make white dragons and really should have. Not that I'm sure Khavus is actually fond enough of the memory of pravus paining her as Khadesh to do that, but still. :P
Though the choice of god probably won't get along well with Thrael'kriss, being a god of the forge and all that.
That aside, I'm interested in how you give him life.
Once your in you'll be put into the Pantheon.
So I figure you'll want to gat in some storyline about Ashmahni.
Though know that I think of it, the interaction still might not be possible. I've been thinking about what Matthew said about moonlight fitting Adahan better and...well, it makes sense. A LOT of sense. Depending on how the trial goes, I might use it to retool Adahan into something different...very, VERY, VERY, VERY different (And I'm sticking to it. Creator Breakdown is NEVER an excuse for screwing a perfectly good character). It's the least I could do for him after what I did. Basically, the base would remain (The relation to inventive, dreams, and music, etc.), but everything else (including appearance) would be rebuilt almost from scratch.
So, I let TvTropes do it for me. Not pretty, but it works. :P
Sina, I have a proposition for you. I'll PM you in the next few hours.
Didn't he veto that Balthazaar be a salamander? I mean, there's a lot to work with with the Creation domain. He could be a classic Hephaestus, a mad scientist, a more heroic guy who is something like a Gadgeteer Genius...you name it.
Though know that I think of it, the interaction still might not be possible. I've been thinking about what Matthew said about moonlight fitting Adahan better and...well, it makes sense. A LOT of sense. Depending on how the trial goes, I might use it to retool Adahan into something different...very, VERY, VERY, VERY different (And I'm sticking to it. Creator Breakdown is NEVER an excuse for screwing a perfectly good character). It's the least I could do for him after what I did. Basically, the base would remain (The relation to inventive, dreams, and music, etc.), but everything else (including appearance) would be rebuilt almost from scratch.
You know. I went to the site searching everywhere! But I think I found Adahan! ;)
That's perfect, honestly.
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/LordErrorProne
As for being wrongly genre savvy...Adahan isn't savvy at all. At least, not yet. That'll change, though. Can you say, "I think I'll need a football team"? It'll probably backfire horribly and exterminate us all, but hey, it'll be a really funny ending to the gods. :P
What IS coming back is going to make Deadpool look tame.
Oh and matthew I'm having Kris wait to respond until Delfedd's character speaks. That and we're in the middle of the trial so I don't want to interrupt the flow.
I'm all for waiting until after Adahan's lync- I mean trial, for the adventurers.
I have a feeling the "pretty" metal will be ending soon...
Either way I'm sure Adahan will be Here to Stay (Korn)
ok, last post for the night, I'm staring down the barrel of a 6 hour programming binge.
Gah! That trope wiki's addicting!
I'm all for waiting until after Adahan's lync- I mean trial, for the adventurers.
I have a feeling the "pretty" metal will be ending soon...
Either way I'm sure Adahan will be Here to Stay (Korn)
ok, last post for the night, I'm staring down the barrel of a 6 hour programming binge.
sounds fun good luck.
But yeah, Adahan's never gonna give you up. He's never gonna let you down.
Just to give you some tantalizing tips, though, this is a comparison about how each version sees itself:
Current Adahan:
This. (Best link I could find that contained The Hellion.)
New Adahan:
This, This, and this (Okay, that last one wasn't for real...mostly. It's just that the new version is openly narcissistic, and feels good about that.)
PS: Yeah, I AM aiming for such OTTness. "Did somebody order A LARGE HAM?". :P
Objective Achieved!
*Stormtrooper voice*
Domain: Air
Alignment: Unaligned
Physical Appearance: An almost completely transparent 6 armed humanoid torso on a long serpentine tail.
Symbol: A stylized spiraling cyclone seen from above inside a larger, perfect black circle.
So sinasliver may come into the game as Ongor since Ongor's original son posted like once as the air god.
By the way how do you like Ator's job of defending Adahan? ;)
I must say I'm pleasantly surprised.
And Sinasliver huh? I do like slivers.. Mmm... Zeerg--eer.. Slivers.
BTW, for Sina's eyes only:
Sacrifice, quite possibly the best humorous strategy game ever. And "The Gods Themselves", as they look when we're not playing them.
EVERY god we've made, with no exception, apes some element from those, though not intentionally. They're just too all-encompassing and awesome. I mean, I can clearly see parts of Adahan in Persephone, Stratos, and Pyro, and I'm not even trying to do it!
Let's see....
Stratos. Definitely. I mean, Ice? Check. Theoretically lawful? Check. Is going to get the Air realm? Check. You just need a Xanatos Gambit, a balloon with a face, and a desire for knowledge and "civilization", and you're him.
PS: For fun, here's how every god correlates to the sacrifice guys, IMO:
Thrael'Kriss: Persephone, Charnel (No humour, though. He takes the uptightness from Miss P.). Oh so close to Charnel.
Ongor: Decay screams "Charnel", though again no humour (not deliberate, at least. But imagining ole Mr. Worm doing paperwork sure is funny), and the "Earth" side and wormness makes him a shoe-in for James.
Ra'ver Alec: Stratos (He's behind the prophecy!), Stratos, Stratos (and Mithras). Needs moar Xanatos, though.
Ator: God of strife? That's Charnel, ol' boy. He even shares the humour and the "Death/Murder" side!
Tsu'Misel: Shares the good boy personality with James, the domains with Stratos, and the focus on life with Persephone.
Khavus: A mix of Pyro, Stratos, and Persephone. Kinda hard to pin, though.
Myxiniron: For some reason, I think of Persephone. The Charnel side, though, is pretty obvious.
Adahan: Has big sun-powered weapons and high tech? Pyro. Has a bizarre pseudomoralistic crusade? Persephone. Has curiosity and interest in unraveling mysteries? Stratos. The new version will be pretty much impossible to pin, though, as it's really too anthropomorphic and chaotic to share much with the gods, aside from the humour.
I was planning to wait until after your trial to have Defluo show himself by the way. Nasty business that, but I concluded if I was going to do it now was the time. Plus this way if i'm lucky I'll get a lot of confused looks. ;P
Armisael is referencing a tv trope called a Xanatos gambit. This is where a villian makes several layers of plans manipulating everyone to get a desired outcome. An example is Light from Death Note the anime.
I don't think the so called Xanatos Gambit would have been Pravus' style at all. He was pretty direct.
I could see how Armisael would like to see a Xanatos Gambit unfold from the god of fate and prophecy.
Back in The Nineties, there was an awesome show named Gargoyles, by Greg Weisman. You might have seen it. In it, the charming and brilliant villain-later-hero David Xanatos appeared. This businessman, whose charm and sense of honor became synonymous with the classy, clever villain, had a knack for getting ahead of his enemies even when they were victorious. Later on, the guys at TvTropes named this The Xanatos Gambit, where, wether the villain's surface plan succeeds or fails, the gambiteer pulls out ahead.
There's also the similar Batman Gambit, where the user, confident in his abilities, only plans for the success. Usually, it either works, or fails...spectacularly.
History lesson over.
Stratos was picked because of his similarities to Pravus, the main difference being that Stratus was a cowardly, cheating lying dog, who managed to fool everyone else with a fake prophecy.
Name: Lazarus, The Waking Dreamer
Domain: Aberrations (I know I'm sortof infringing on The Other's territory here, but he hasn't posted recently so....)
Appearance: Tall, elegant, pale humanoid, but totally hairless, with long tentacles with leechlike mouths on the ends instead of fingers.
Goals: Spreading the power of Abberations and Abberant Magics and Cults. It will also create Mindbenders and Illusionists.
Symbol: A black circle with a circular mouth at the center.
I think Mixiniron just became my new best friend! :D
I definitely do not want to upset that god now. Freaking 12 in combat with all exarchs. Didn't now the end of the world was coming so soon! ;)
This will be funny to see play out with the other gods. I wonder how many of them will metagame and how many will play the game straight. Anyways I want to say thanks to you for doing this because now we have a real interesting arc coming up.
Edit- Let the arm's race begin!
well i just like exarchs more then death ray artifacts ;)
and having myxiniron spawn 4 children at once is a nice extra
I just hate it because my god hasn't had as much time as yours to stockpile ;) .
You officially earned the nickname of "Shadow Rabbit Momma". And they say I'm too focused on having a big combat bonus! :P
Don't get me wrong I love the power play. This fits perfectly with evil overlord plans. What makes this a little bad is the potential cold war effect where all of the gods start stockpiling artifacts/exarchs. This is opening a lot of potential storytelling and unfortunately(or fortunately depending how you view it) the god wars that every pantheon has.
I just hate it because my god hasn't had as much time as yours to stockpile ;) .
Don't worry about that. The most dangerous attack that's going to come is a joybuzzer.
have an event planned with them soon enough (next post probably)
Hmm...
Good thing I'm switching to a blue counterattacks deck with a few white fatties inside.
PS: Yes, I got hooked to magic. Surprising after I used such an analogy, huh?
I'm Fate. I'm using a 5 color control deck utilizing all of the best spells in magic. That's right, I'm the Quick N Toast deck.
I've got Greater Morphling.
*shrug*
I suppose I need to set myself up some exarchs.
*begins considerations*
I'll concede you're infinitely more peaceful than me, for example, though.
If you hadn't noticed Thrael'kriss doesn't tend to use his Exarch in fights, and he took some coaxing to use an outside weapon (the Gift).
I'm not worried about a power-play. I'm just considering what happens if something goes wrong.
Of course three of us, one of you. So that will even the odds.
I've got Greater Morphling.
My real magic deck is mono-black, and considered the devil by most of my friends Because I use pestilence heavily, with weakens etc. to keep their monsters small/dead until I can corrupt them to imbalance the HP so I win. I lovingly call it "The plague". But someone beat me to that concept here. ;P
Or my Green-Blue Hybrid deck... Which is widely regarded as too good to be true.
But that has more to do with my grasp of rules and my luckiness.
I played from Ice Age until Invasion, roughly. After that, they started changing stuff on me all over the place and it wasn't worth trying to keep up.
Which makes matches much more fun. Especially when at least one of you have a deck that's more than just aggro. (The two things I hate are flying and shadow, they take a lot of the options away. I suppose any evasion ability besides trample makes the game less fun for me...)
Shadow just tends to no be intergrated enough to actually work. There isn;t enough defenses without having shadow yourself, packing burn, or just being ablt to out race.
I'm not so sure the interactivity makes it more fun, as it frustrates all of my friends and I(because it literally makes no sense in the blocking examples, for one). But yes. Each to their own, I suppose.
I'm good with rul, so I'm pretty good with dealing with things. I was the first one to understand Planeswalkers among my friends, I have the best understanding of the stack, and the best understanding of turn structure and speed.
It gives me an unfair advantage. Thus I enjoy Magic because I can outplay anyone in my group.
He's attacking me with a 1/1? Is there something that he could do to make that a problem for me?
Instead of
1/1? Who cares.
It makes bluffing that much more effective now. I can understand wanting the rules back the way they were on some levels. But with every option they open up that's an option on both sides.
He's putting Giant Growth? well I ping him. He's dead.
or
He's going for protection? *shrug* Colorchange.
It isn't a 1 way street you know.
Question: If you eliminate an artifact you had previously created, can you spend the PP used on it on something else?
More along the lines of what Exarchs are capable of doing to mortals is what I worry about.
Well i think Armisael already stated how powerfull an exarch can be to mortals, when he let the thrillseeker nuke the avolakia city.
And then the thrillseeker would technically be only a half-exarch, since it was created with the same PP as the dreamwalker
Nobody complained then
As for the exarchs, she has mostly stayed in her section of the continent anyway. He major neighbors are Rakshasa as well, which are most likely capable of defending themselves.
Edit: As for Adahan showing what exarhcs can do to mortals, I think he went fairly overboard on it. Considered how powerful the avolakia's seem to be, though we don't have stats, they probably shouldn't have been annihilated that easily
Well i think Armisael already stated how powerfull an exarch can be to mortals, when he let the thrillseeker nuke the avolakia city.
And then the thrillseeker would technically be only a half-exarch, since it was created with the same PP as the dreamwalker
Nobody complained then
I don't believe I was here at the time... I can't remember for sure, I do remember reading it in the IC thread when I was becoming familiar with LoC. I didn't like that play either.
Besides I like this development because you are fleshing out Myxiniron. If you do have the exarchs act in a certain manner then we will at least have an arc that is exciting and makes more sense then insanity. :P
i'll start posting about the atropals tomorrow
I only noticed it becuase I was cycling back to check if such a rule existed because I was considered introducing a Rakshasa hero.
I included the quote in the sblock below
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You can set PP aside for major projects, yes. But you have to say what you're putting it toward ahead of time (which sort of action), and you can't retrieve it after the fact. For instance, you cannot put aside PP for Create Plane, and then instead use it to Guide Populace next turn because you feel like it. Once its invested, its invested.
I'm sorry if these new rules are taking people by surprise. Thing is, people often want to do things that aren't specified in the starting rules, at which times I make up new ones to accommodate them. If there's something you want to do that isn't in the rules, tell me, and I will remedy the omission.
Now, as for heroes. In addition to your god and exarchs, you can roleplay mortal characters from any race that exists in the world (as long as the creator of said race gives you permission). Mortal heroes may or may not worship your god; indeed, it is sometimes fun to play a mortal who OPPOSES your deity. Mortal heroes flesh out the world on the micro level, founding cities, conquering their mortal enemies, inventing new spells and magic items, and doing other things of a similar scale. Heroes can range from first to thirtieth level, and perform deeds proportionate to their power. In some cases, an epic level hero can achieve semidivine status, becoming an exarch (which costs the usual 3 PP).
Mortal heroes are expected to die, so no baawing when that happens. That said, it is in bad form to kill another player's hero without their permission, so work it out OOC when possible.
Finally, to answer a different question, the cindersworn can summon salamanders using the ritual. Why wouldn't they be able to?
Could you do an edit on the OOC thread first post showing updated rules for easy access?
All of them until nothing remained.
Yeah. Just FYI.
You're a nothing god right now.
BTW, Angel of the Night. What are your mind flayers feeding on? And are you going to do anything with the aboleth who have been sitting around doing nothing for centuries?
Adahan
Yeah. Just FYI.
You're a nothing god right now.
Really? Then, why did you explicitly say you were taking out certain domains, but didn't mention Inventive and Machines? That's why I was thinking I had those remaining.
Sinasilver would you be okay with me sinking the continent that Pravus created? I'm thinking it would make a great Aboleth homeland in addition to adding an awesome Atlantis-like storyline to the world.
Space Dragon, did you actually give Pravus, a dead god, 5 PP?
Edit: So... is that a go ahead?
On that note: Is adahan going towards becoming the god of games? Armisael, you should know about the Lee family curse if you're going to try making The Crow into a god.
Edit: I guess I should have told you to consult Matthew. He is Pravus's inheritor.
Hey hey hey! Hands off the titans! you've already got death and what not, no sinking MY domain. I inherrit it from Pravus sucka ;)
On that note: Is adahan going towards becoming the god of games? Armisael, you should know about the Lee family curse if you're going to try making The Crow into a god.
God of Games? Oh, no, god forbid. That's only part of the portfolio. No, Trickery is the order of the day. It encompasses:
A) Genre Savviness. You'll see how later.
B) Deceit.
C) Unexpected actions. DYNAMIC ENTRY!
D) Pranks.
All of that makes this new "Adahan" (he'll go by that name, even if it's not him) quite a fun loving sort. He loves playing pranks and generally acting a bit like Spiderman, but he'll accept it when he's outthought.
I also have plans to regain my previous domains...peacefully. Maybe via an exchange, as they suit his glammy, panache-filled style.
PS: Also, STOP READING MY MIND! I changed it from the original draft, but while I have never seen that movie, the original version was extremely similar to it.
Space Dragon, did you actually give Pravus, a dead god, 5 PP?
Khavus. I meant Khavus.
And yes, Adahan, since you haven't used those domains in so damn long, no one remembered they were yours. They are now your only domains, so I suggest you use them.
Eeeeeexcellent!
*Mr. Burns voice*
If you use colored text, your post never happened. If a post contains colored text, IGNORE IT until it is fixed.
I'm such an idiot. Forgot to write my acquisition of trickery down. I got it when The Player entered the scene. Stupid me and my big schemes. Need to get back to the basics.
This is always my problem. I try to do too many things, and SOMETHING always ends up slipping (Which reminds me...must create Anaxim write up).
Your welcome to try when you get stronger. But I guess we're sort of allies for the moment.
Also, the line about "a machine ticking far away" is a bit puzzling. Did you build some sort of mechanical phylactery for yourself? If so, feel free to disregard the previous paragraph. Could you please link to the post where you built it, though?
....Yeah, pretty confusing, I'll admit. For some reason, my writing skills descended to a fraction of their normal level yesterday. I apologize for that.
If you're referring to a different machine, please explain which one it is.
Basically, the robotic bodies are powerless. Inside them, the Player's power is greatly diminished, which I'll represent by using PP on my next turn to build a real body. The advantage they have is that they work like Tsu'Misel's clouds, for example. They're there as a means for me to be in more than one place at a time, and nothing more.
Also, isn't the dream sequencer still in Ator's possession?
Uh-huh. Well, the problem is that you don't have a MAIN body at the moment. If Tsu'Misel was killed, he couldn't just say he's still alive in cloud form. That's retarded. It makes the Attack God action completely meaningless.
Also, isn't the dream sequencer still in Ator's possession?
Which is correct. The Attack God action forces me to spend PP to make myself a new real body. Do you consider that meaningless?
Why don't you have a main body? you didn't make any preparations like that.
You're options now are: 1. Fight Ongor, 2. Convince Ongor not to kill you, 3. Call for help from another god, or 4. Run away, injured, from Novirm.
Those are the four things you can do in this situation. You can't do anything else.
Can you spend PP in this alternate form? I bet you can. If so, why not just stay in your body for then?
Why don't you have a main body? you didn't make any preparations like that.
I can't. The only thing I'll be able to do within secondary bodies is spend the PP necessary to regenerate myself.
Yes, actually, I do. You didn't clear this with the admins before assuming Attack God to work this way, you didn't ask about artificial bodies when you okay'd the Dream Sequencer, and you're ignoring the fact that Ator has the dream sequencer.
When I made the Dream Sequencer, we agreed that it granted 1 PP per turn which could be used with every Create X action, except Create God. I consider that making a minor artifact (not even something like Ember's edge, more like making an ornate warforged), such as a mechanical body, is well within the jurisdiction of the sequencer, considering I've made a freakin' PLANE with it.
As for it being under Ator's power, remember it was lent. Far as I know, he never spent PP to actually acquire rights over it. Thus, I still have power over it.
You can't do that without clearing it beforehand.
Now, you WILL choose one of the options given above, or I'm going to have to ask you to leave the game.
Thank you for complying.
What posts must be discontinued so that everything makes sense?
Okay. Now, the question is...
What posts must be discontinued so that everything makes sense?
The ones that use the dream sequencer.
Also, after I recover the Dream Sequencer, I AM going to make robotic bodies. But that's purely for fluff, and to create the interaction necessary to start building a reputation as a trickster god, not to dodge attacks. Is that okay?
From everything I have gathered you have made Adahan disappear from the game. Replaced him with this "the Player". If this is a new godling then I am going to treat him as a separate being from Adahan.
I'm not responding until I get a response.
Edit- Ok so The Players escaped and is talking to Ra'Ver-Alec. I'm treating the Player as a new god as that is how he has been played.
A) Yes, I'm out of Novirm and at your Astral Fortress.
B) No, Adahan hasn't disappeared. He's swapped places with The Player, that's all. He will return, in due time, though changed, for sure.
C) Corollary to the above: Having swapped places, The Player is now the wielder and receptacle of the divine might Adahan had, while the Sun-God pulls the strings...sort of. The closest thing I can think of is possession, but it isn't exactly that.
The fact that he's pretty much free to do hwatever he wants is the next step.
But I need a mechanism...
*shrug*
What do you guys think?
I figured as much and thus will have Ra'Ver-Alec treat you as a godling with no right to claim Adahan's old domains.
Domains? Oh, please. You must have missed the post where I said I would exchange domains when I wanted them back. I'm coming for RitD, and I think I'll be able to amass the evidence necessary to prove ownership.
But it was probably erased when I used the Straw as a death star. I don't think a cloud could get away quick enough to dodge a giant beam o' doom and stuff.
My computer's decided to die on me, so I won't be on today. I may possibly be unavailable tomorrow as well.
what happened to Uberoth. Is someone still playing as him
anyone know?
So yeah, I think I'll play it safe and get them the hell out of dodge.
With any kind of decency, the angels will stay out of it. This is a mortal war.
Speaking of the mountain it needs a name along with the continent.
Anyways, it sure has been a slow day.
It hasn't been updated, so it's missing the Aventi archipelage and Eckral's islands.
maybe a second one could be made which has marks for most important sites and cities
Normally last night I would have procrastinated until the last second to avoid doing my paper on alaska. I would have read all the exciting new posts, thought of clever ways around your escapades, played tricks on everyone before dashingly leaving the scene of the crime with my hands clean.
However, I can't seem to muster up the stamina to read through the posts anymore, for one very simple reason.
The player.
And it's not because he's trying to be me and failing at it. No, space dragon and Camu know that that amuses me and ends up with me eating the failed god invariably. However, the player just seems like a character that is so out there that it is going to be literally impossible for me to continue playing if that character continues to exist.
Therefore, today i've resolved to read through the posts, try to respond to them as best I can, murder the player and try to fix the setting so that I can actually play again. Barring that, I'll try to wrap everything up, because honestly... Self insertion into a game is the thing that I like the least.
Plus, this is the beginning of a period of using cleverer forums resources. I've realized that, if I'm going to be a trickster, I better start actually being sneaky when I'm not bursting through the front door.
Reading his stuff gives me the impression of a dorky cartoon villian (stupid and annoying)
It's made worse by the fact that you ignore EVERYONE'S post and simply post as if this was your own private game. You try to be me down to the very description of you trying to leave Novrim was EXACTLY the same as my escape from Thrael'kriss. You are a horrible role player and you should feel horrible about it, because you are ruining an excellent roleplaying experience for a great number of people.
Besides, there's an important distinction (two, actually. One's being good, the other one is explained below), one through which you'll see the Player act VERY different from Ator, and it is
Show
That the Player has real sense of humor and inventive, unlike Ator, who is still bound by genre constraints. He wouldn't ever think of, for example, assasinating someone sneakily via poisonous soap bubbles, or empowering a battallion of soldiers by staging a mass orgy to bind them through a special emotion (including pain, which disperses among everyone) link.
Ator's good, make no mistake about it. However, he'll never come up with truly wacky or extremely elaborate plans, because that's not how he works, who he is.
Ator's good, make no mistake about it. However, he'll never come up with truly wacky or extremely elaborate plans, because that's not how he works, who he is.
I like the references... They made me smile.
Poisoned soap bubbles? That's just completely out of the character of the entire game! As for elaborate plans, are you completely stupid, or do you just not read anyone elses posts but your own?
As for Loki, Loki was actually a smart god. He didn't intentionally tick off the entire pantheon. He simply got caught.
As for ignoring the players posts, that's what i've been trying to do, but Armisael refuses to play off in his own little alternate world where a three year old couldn't figure out his "extremely elaborate plans." He continues to play in our world, the world of people who are not completely stupid and have worked extremely hard to get working and create a fun storyline for everyone.
You are a pestilence on this forum.
Before Delfedd comes and accuses me of being an idiot for suggesting the poisonous soap bubbles plan, he should take a look at The Scarlet Circle. It's a brilliant (serious) murder novel, where it is demonstrated, with real life facts, how such a murder works, presenting one of the most intelligent villains I've ever seen.
I tried to give you an opportunity to change your method and role playing by offering you a simple explanation as the player being a schizophrenic personality. Anything but the piece of crap you're flinging now. Honestly, I miss ****ed up Adahan because I could at least deal with that randomness. But this cartoon crap is pathetic and irritating.
You've given the other people on the forums the hiccups when it comes to posting. You ignore other players trying to do whatever the hell you feel like. And I think I speak for everyone when I say I am sick and tired of you doing what Sinasilver calls twinking.
Twinking by the way is where you are declaring outcomes for other players. That's not how the game is set up. You use the OOC to run ideas by other people and let them know what you are trying to do. Then you post in a manner that leaves the post open ended. This allows for more flavor to develop and avoids the nasty arguments that entail from you ignoring the rules of the game.
And would it kill you to NOT meta-game every second of the game? Seriously, you are driving people crazy with your antics. We've said this before, this game is not a tv trope. So stop posting to the site all the time!
Space Dragon even warned you about posting links in the IC thread. If you want to describe your god as moulting divine energy in the form of feathers then ****ing describe it.
Why can't you try and develop depth and personality for your character? Why do you have to be so pathetic that you rely on falling back on those damn tv tropes all of the time!?!
I do apologize for my language but I feel this may get my point across to you better.
EXACTLY!
Poisoned soap bubbles? That's just completely out of the character of the entire game! As for elaborate plans, are you completely stupid, or do you just not read anyone elses posts but your own?
As for Loki, Loki was actually a smart god. He didn't intentionally tick off the entire pantheon. He simply got caught.
As for ignoring the players posts, that's what i've been trying to do, but Armisael refuses to play off in his own little alternate world where a three year old couldn't figure out his "extremely elaborate plans." He continues to play in our world, the world of people who are not completely stupid and have worked extremely hard to get working and create a fun storyline for everyone.
You are a pestilence on this forum.
I knew you were going to say this. See my previous post.
You see? You're too predictable. I could guess what your idea was going to be as soon as I wrote that post. Meanwhile, NOBODY expects the kind of things I can prepare.
I knew you were going to say this. See my previous post.
You see? You're too predictable. I could guess what your idea was going to be as soon as I wrote that post. Meanwhile, NOBODY expects the kind of things I can prepare.
And I knew you would use a rebuttal along the lines of someone else's work. This is the **** we are sick and tired of. All you seem capable of is mimicking other peoples works. There is no originality or flare in your work.
It's simply hollow.
This is a first for a Lords of Creation game where this has every happened. Because it's the first Lords of Creation game where it's been necissary. We've had copycat gods, we've had gods that attempt to meddle in everything, we've had godmoding gods, we've had gods that made half man half unicorns. But we've never had one as bad as you.
Armisael, you're banned.
Look, just because I take an idea doesn't mean I'm copying something. Now, if I'd use the soap bubbles from inside an air duct, to kill someone who is resting at their room, now THAT would be copying. Taking a concept and giving it a new spin is not copying.
The difference? You know what Ator might be thinking because he makes sense.
Whereas you make no attempt to produce a sensical series of events, and make every attempt to determine what the other players do. Which is fairly irritating.
Only because everything you post is non-seqitur.
The difference? You know what Ator might be thinking because he makes sense.
Whereas you make no attempt to produce a sensical series of events, and make every attempt to determine what the other players do. Which is fairly irritating.
Actually, it does make sense. Want me to explain how my train of thought works?
You come up with stuff that makes no sense, or you fall back onto the tropes site.
Either way it's usually about as inspired as your average saturday morningt cartoon.
Though admittedly some of those are pretty inspired. But the best isn't average.
Who gives presents and isn't jolly?
working them out a bit more, since they have barely done anything to this point
And personally, I found the Player an amusing read.
The Glass Tower can be a parallel to the great Cathedral, but it is very different. It's an amalgamation of the Inner Daemon, Fire and Ice domains. Inside folks can see what the are really made of. Call it the ultimate looking glass. So... anyone want to step through? :D
and wth is "power source"? just a general pp farm? Whatever it is, It's the last testament to the once great Adahan. Such Hubris... The idea of a god of games was pretty cool though. If it made sense for Khavus I'd take it. *cough cough* Eckral *cough*.
"... Brother Bitter
And his brother Ember."
Anyway.. Check your PMs in a minute Matthew.
Wyld, you should totally start up the beast production machine again. You seem to have stopped spawnin' them after the were's. We're woefully low!
I suspect that Delfedd was destroying Adahan's power source, rationalizing his disappearance in-game. Delfedd, care to verify?
damn whippersnappers, don't know how to run a proper lords of creation! Look back at Amon, and Kur-ah. We didn't like em, so we MURDERED 'em! Simple I says, and clean too.
but then again kur-ah didn't quote megadeth and amon was delusional. not sure what armisael's excuses are (I confess I haven't been following this since Shardworlds pretty much slid down the drain)
what I am saying is you should just kill him and take his stuff.
Good times.
That and the glass tower + the adventurers should keep me pretty busy for awhile...
Manevolent is now a word.
Dieties are ok with canabalism, ritual sacrifice and inbreeding. Louis Armstrong singing "What a wonderful world" comes to mind...
I'll get right on spitting out some beasts, I have little else to do this turn.
Any requests?
Gnolls are a possibility.
Sahuagin were athought of mine.
Green and Black Dragons would be a possibility too.
If I'm permitted to use the point grated by the newest change to the crystals I'll do both dragons and alter another race (As that chjange would have happened "last turn").
Or I'll release a beast. Owlbears? Or Panthers?
Create Beasts: Natural Beasts
Officially releasing any creature with (just) those tags onto the world. Thrael'kriss has enough rlated domains that that can be considered one action as far as my opinion goes.
lol
Oh well. Time for crowd control.
Also, since this is a general pp-maker (a very powerful artifact, since it gives PP that can be used for ANY action), you'll need to keep it on Galara, making it vulnerable to disruption. All comparable devices made to date (including yours, and ongor/myxiniron's) have had this achillies heel, and I believe it is fair.
Basically, put the dead Adahan in your mountain prison, and all will be well.
I know, Defluo is emo. I'm sorry.. I'm working on it, but there's a reason to the rhyme as it were, and this is going to take some doing.
On the bright side... He's at least not trying to rule the world? ;P
Delfedd, we agreed that the first air god's one post was noncanon. Why are you suddenly changing your mind?
Because this way he has an almost legitimate excuse for his actions.
:D
Ummm
Four hours sleep the previous night I suppose?
If you want me to change it, I will do so.
I see.
Ummm
Four hours sleep the previous night I suppose?
If you want me to change it, I will do so.
I'd say it would be better if you changed it, for simplicity's sake. Its not like Ator's argument about them not actually being related was a very strong one anyway.
The original one is just Lords of Creation. it's on the old boards.
5:30-9:30pm tonight I do security for basket ball.
5pm-1am tomorrow I do security for a metallica concert.
At 9am-5pm Sunday I have a class to get better certified for security.
And From 10pm tonight until 8am they want to add an overnight position to my list of work for the week.
2PP)) Create Beasts: Natural Beasts (Anything with just those 2 tags. This saves an exorbitant amount of PP and makes the world "fill out")
2PP)) Alter Populace: Red Dragons-> Green Dragons
1 +1 PP)) Alter Populace: Were-sharks-> Sahuagin
(Alter Populace is a creation with a discount)
In other words... IF I miss the end of tur I'm earmarking my PP.
Ator is the embodiment of murder.
Thrael'kriss is the first to commit murder.
Ator exists because of that murder.
But how do mortals see it? Killers pray to Ator... but do they also pray to Thrael'kriss? Do they know that the first murderer is Thrael'kriss? At least a few know.
Ator blesses the blades... But did Thrael'kriss truly create the concept? Without Thrael'kriss there would be no Ator, and without Ator the concept of murder would be without a god to champion it.
A question I wonder about in my spare time.
Other questions...
What are the sins of the gods? The children of agrilnost in particular show a very big connection to the deadly sins.
(Sloth, Pride, Wrath, Gluttony, Lust, Envy, Greed)
Thrael'kriss: Wrath, Wrath, Wrath again...
Adahan: Pride, Pride, More Pride...
Myxirinon: Sloth (Not to be mean, just that she's very passive)
Ongor: Pride, Possibly Wrath, Lust (for power, he likes it and will go to any length) is another possibility
Ator: Wrath (fitting considering how he was created and by whom), Glutony is a possibilty (his penchant for creating an excess of conflict)
*shrug*
Envy could be a motivator if you look through the right lens. It's just a thought I had.
Broadous - leader of the burning nine
David - youngest member f the burning nine
Sera - pretty young member of Clan Swift, cousin of Joseph
Joseph - now dead guard of Matthew Swift
Lilly Feuge - New Matron of Clan Feuge, and potential furry.
"Pyro.. Hot.. Ow."
(apparently 20 foot pillars of fire etc. are excruciatingly hot.. And not worth telling us they're using. when behind our backs we suddenly hear "FWOOOOM!" and the room feels 200 degrees hotter.)
"... Ew.. Diseased water!"
(One of the guitarists has a penchant for throwing his water into the crowd. Guess what hit me? several times?)
"... God... I don't know where his hands have been.. But I know he handles sticks all day.."
(The drummer put his hand on my head and leaned on me to hand stuff to the crowd.)
"White trash is fun to eject."
(Lots of the above jumped the barricade. I got to remove them.)
There are very few such monsters that have been explicitly created (we have were-wolves but no wolves, barring those of the winter variety) and so I wanted to make them all one-shot since it would be an exorbitant amount of PP to make them individually.
If you guys don't voice an objection to me doing that it's going to b my next action.
@AngeloftheNight: Only the admins no the formula if there even is one. They haven't divulged the formula for purposes involving hidden PP usage.
I just want to point that out.
As to my method of taking the artifact, I was working off of the presumption that any god could take another's artifact, but would then have to face retaliation from that god. I now realize that I probably should have PM'd Delfdedd with my idea first.
Also, I should probably explain Lazarus's earlier destruction of a Dwarven patrol. I was trying to lay the groundwork for the dwarf that I drove mad to be my first Exarch. Not randomly destroy your people.
Allow me to explain the Astral Fortress and such. Ator has a mount Everest type mountain. Inside the mountain is his secret lair known only to Ator and Defluo as far as I am aware. This mountain is also home to the dwarves that Ator and myself made. The peak of the mountain gives access to the Astral Sea. Hence the peak having the Astral Fortress built upon it to act as a Gateway. The Fortress is at the border of Galara and the Astral Sea and is manned by both dwarves and Marut. Ator's Throne room is somewhere within the Astral Sea.
The Dream Sequencer had been borrowed before with Adahan's/Kraid's permission, OOC basically. Armisael was doing a lot of stupid things like ignoring posts and dictating other players actions resulting in him being banned. Ator retrieved the artifact I think when this occurred. Artifacts that are directly tied to a god as a power source generator for a specific task such as 1 PP generated for population powers; tend to require some discussion in the OOC before acting.
I think all of this is right and helpful. Have fun with your mad Dwarf Exarch. :D
So far the only witnesses that I can recall to Ator's action and confession of turning him into a power source are Khavus and Tsu'misel.
And the claiming for 3 was based on a P)M to Space Dragon, so yeah, it'll need to be 3.
The worshipers of Ator view Thrael'kriss as a monster. Kind of like how the worshipers of Zeus would view Chronos.
I had to change my plans due to the Avatar thing. So now we've got another avatar running around... Once I retrieve my books I'll stat him up.
I will post a cursory set of data later tonite or tomorrow on the compendium.
The Creature Compendium will recieve an update at about the same time. The Pantheon will have an update a little after that.
IF I already had an Avatar I'd just send him in. Distance is meaningless to gods anyway. Especially Thrael'kriss I suppose, considering he tends to teleport anywhere he feels like.
Thazin'kriss looks like me because he's my "son" but he's just an exarch.
I promise too lead us into a world of prosperity!
Alright, the prosperity thing is just a joke, But I'm usually less busy than them, and I'm too lazy to bias, and really 8 people could be a lot for just 2 people to have to track.
Vote for Sinasilver! I have home cookin'!
These type of things to help out the game are useful. If such a thing does occur then whoever the third person is would need to get into contact with SD and Delf over a set schedule. Be that the schedule could be a weekly or twice a week set-up.
Another thing to consider is a thread solely for the purpose of recording PP expenditure. This would work by having the Admins or helper post new PP distribution for the set day in the IC, OOC, and pp tracking threads.
So the post would indicate PP available to all and the players. The players would post PP expenditures there leaving their total PP left at the end of their post. This allows for a quick and simple way of the admins being able to keep track of everyone's PP expenditure. Just make sure that only PP uses are recorded in that thread. This way we avoid flooding the thread with a bunch of messages to read through.
The OOC would be the default thread to ask questions about events in other threads.
Is there a more concise version of the story/setting?
If so, where would I find such a thing, and also, why doesn't the first post get edited to link to it?
Something like: "2 PP stored for Project "whatever" see Delfedd/Admin"
They can code it and have one of the Admins aware of it but should still record the expenditure. This way the thread would still work appropriately.
The first page doesn't seem to address this, and a 52 page OOC thread is a bit much to read before asking this:
Is there a more concise version of the story/setting?
If so, where would I find such a thing, and also, why doesn't the first post get edited to link to it?
Are you asking for a summary of the events in the IC/story so far? If so there isn't one yet.
What's sad, is I actually dislike the whole "Secret" aspect of the game.. and I'm defending it..
All the thread would do is allow metagame knowledge that people doing things in secret were still doing things though. Only the admins have to worry about expenditures of the players. ;P
What's sad, is I actually dislike the whole "Secret" aspect of the game.. and I'm defending it..
All I'm saying is if we do have a third person giving out the PP then a thread to record it would be great.
On the other hand, without a complete summary a DM could use as a campaign setting, this game can hardly achieve its stated goal of forming a unique and fully fleshed out campaign setting.
Look around for the LOC Pantheon Thread.
The Creatue Compendium thread should also be floating around, providing stats for most of the homebrewed creatures.
However, we should compile a summary eventually to achieve the gioal as stated.
Well, welcome Lokathor. Here's a very rough summary of the earliest posts. I'll hopefully have a more polished and complete version up sometime tomorrow.
The Lords of Creation
In the beginning, nothingness was all. Then Agrilnost, the divine father, appeared, created from plausibility. Agrilnost created existence, and the first Elder God. Ongor, Lord of Earth, and King of Souls. But Creation drew the attention of an evil, and so the second Elder God appeared. Ueberroth, a great tentacle covered horror, appeared. Then Thrael-Kriss, Lord of Death, The Destroyer, and Master of the Cycle, was born. The creation of the Elder Gods was almost finished, Adahan, the Fallen One, came into existence. Adahan created a sun, and Thrael-Kriss brought from Primordial Bulletes, Death Incarnate. Ongor created fearsome Purple Worms, and Ueberroth brought forth Chulls, Aboleths, and numerous species of alien fish. With this, creation ended.
Fall of Agrilnost
The world could not remain at peace, and soon, Thrael-Kriss struck the first blow. He created fish to prey upon the creations of Ueberroth, and so became the Lord of Death. Ongor then, angry at the death of his Purple Worms at the claws of Thrael-Kriss’s Primordial Bulletts created decay, and so became the King of Souls, trapping the spirits of the dead in the center of the earth. Then a new diety appeared, Myroxian, the Queen of Darkness, Lady of Undeath. She brought for Oozing Shadows, creatures born from tortured souls. Agrilnost, envious of his children’s creations, unleashed Hydras upon the world. Then, like a spark to a powder keg, Khadesh, Lady of Fire and Queen of Daemons was born. Agrilnost, furious, lashed out at the newborn god. Khadesh fled, escaping Agrilnost deep within the earth. In retaliation, she twisted Agrilnost’s Hydras, turning them into the first Daemons, the greatest among these, was Bael. Horrified by the creation of the Daemons, Ongor captured Khadesh and turned her over to Agrilnost. As Agrilnost attempted to murder Khadesh, Thrael-Kriss arrived. Furious at the interference of his offspring, Agrilnost promised to deal with Thrael-Kriss latter. He then fell upon Khadesh. In a rage, Thrael-Kriss struck out at Agrilnost, and slew the deity. Ongor condemned the action, and swore retribution, Adahan begged for peace, and Thrael-Kriss was unrepentent.
The Re-forming of the World
With the death of Agrilnost, nothing existed to hold sky and water apart. Without his power, the world threatened to collapse. Ongor and Myroxian created a child, Deflou, who immediately vanished, while Adahan created Ley Lines, connected to all life on the world, now called Galara, to hold sky and earth apart. With the immediate crysis averted, the gods returned to infighting. Two factions formed, The Deep Lords, consisting of Ongor, Myroxian, and Ueberroth, and the Duality, consisting of Khadesh and Thrael-Kriss. Adahan maintained a much despised position as a peacemaker.
oops
Oops?
Ator born from Agrilnosts' body was born and proceded to trick Thrael'Kris in a bid for the domain of death. Thrael'kris who only understood and respected might, not contemptuous tricks refused to give up death. So Ator eventually took it.
Things ran smoothly until Khadesh touched upon the elder rage of Agrilnost in the form of a shard, and burned out. It should be mentioned that upon her creation Khadesh had a parallel twin in Pravus the ice lord, and founder of law. As khadesh spiraled further and further into madness (creating the elemental chaos from a portion of reality constantly "burning" into its basest elements) Bael began to rise in power.
In a bid for godhood Bael convinced Pravus that Khadesh' chaos would destroy/taint the world. Khadesh came looking for Bael and Pravus sacrificed himself to destroy the first Khadesh by giving her the domain of cold. Having the domain of rebirth, she waved between existance and void for awhile before Tsu'Misel and Thrael'kris removed the domain of chaos from her system and gave it to the imprisoned Bael. Khadesh became Khavus Rein, goddess of fire and ice.
Enter the age of Mortals.
We're in a war. The age of mortals is pretty violent.
And the Aventi didn't exactly get ticked off. They simply hadn't developed the idea of territory. They started colonizing the mainland, and the Rakshasa decided to drive us out. By coincidence, a king had united the Aventi for the first time. Outraged at the attack on Aventi settlements, he mobilized to war, enlisting the lycanthropes to there aid.
As for Adahan, by tocking off everybody, AngleoftheNight means killed every living thing for a few second to break his way out of a prison, then tryingf to force them all back to life again. He managed to **** of death, life, and the cycle all at once.
Adahan stepped too far out of bounds. He got crushed into divine paste.
I'm going to point out that the Aventi have the Ark, and the Lycanthropes are being backed up by the Avatar of Thrael'kriss and Thazin'kriss. They also have unwavering loyalty to Thrael'kriss and the Trinity, as well as the Three (mortal Sorcerors, 2 Fury Sorcerors and a Sorceror). They also have near-limitless numbers and fight without rest, as they simply roll their forces in and out of shift.
Which is something no other army is capable of doing at this point in time.
It is outdated thiough. It is missing a small island chain a short distance off the north west, a large island chain to the south west, and a small island between the frozen continent and the mainland.
By the way, the map is Matthews. I forgot to mention that.
My custom campaign world map
Edit: I had img-tagged it in.. But.. it was too big. So a linkie instead. When the world gets stable, if you guys want I'll do something like that though.
Space_Dragon hasn't gotten back to me yet... Maybe I'll have to wait until the next PP grant to join.
So I have a new operating system on it, and it's gonna take a while to get it back to what I had.
But my computer's back!!
*Invites you to join in the celebration*
I'll try and be on. New post soon.
With the Rakshassa critically weak, the Illithids prepared for the final push. As the sun went dark, they struck. The Illithid Psions brought forth Astral Horrors, constructs formed from the ectoplasm of the Astral Sea, and shattered the minds of thousands of Rakshassa. ...
So did you make another creation? The Astral Horrors?
`Name: Malbrig
`Domain: Plants
`Alignment: Unaligned
`Physical Appearance: Malbrig's form is a sleek humanoid shape formed from many dark green vines (usually 25ft tall, but can resize like other gods). Small golden vines form fractal tattoo-like patterns over his body. Each leg ends with a toe-less foot (as through he were always wearing shoes or boots), and each arm tapers out into a single tentacle. When he needs to manipulate an object, his arms seperate into dozens or even hundreds of individual vines, to form as many fingers as are required for the task (highly dexterous). Instead of eyes, he has a single black visor-like shape across where the eyes of a humanoid would be. He has no mouth, and "speaks" by simply vibrating his entire body to form sound.
`Symbol: A vertical line (usually green) with two smaller lines that branch off at the midpoint of the primary line, at a 45 degree angle to each side. More elaborate patterns can also be used based off of this basic shape.
Loke_Kant- No, Astral Horrors are the Astral Constructs from 3.5 Expanded Psionics Handbook. They're created and sustained by the Psion. They don't have any effect besides flavor, or I would have spent points on them. Though, creating creatures like those might not be a bad idea...
He used as much pp as it takes to create a god. I figure that's enough to restrain one (destroy god would be broken). Plus you're in his plane so he has the advantage in combat...
I tried to warn you (sort of), but then when has messing with a demon lord in his own hell ever been a good idea? :D
Bael should have the advantage in combat unless you've got a trump or some help coming. Until then, you should be just as trapped as he is. An aquatic god in hell...
That is a possability... but it will take a bit of PP. Don't know the calculations for it, but I'm sure it will be ruled. meanwhile It's dinner time. for me. Not Bael. yet :D
Mathew, are you playing two gods? If so, did Delfedd approve this, because I sure don't remember doing so.
If anything he's a demigod. I'll fix it if you disapprove, he'll let Lazarus go, no worse for wear, but with demons.
Either way, Lazarus goes free next turn and *hopefully* Bael returns to being an npg.
wyld_mutation
As if you guys couldn't guess.
Also, I may have a player for Bael entering the game soon, rectifying the situation for good. Updates pending.
If that's the case I spent 1 pp on Bael for "restrain god" as an attack action. The 4 pp on restrain god was unnecesary. but fun.
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I'm usually online, but not aways at the computer, so sometimes I'll get back to you later.
It would just kinda cement him as a loose cannon.
(I did say the chains fell away... Remember it's 2AM so I migt not be at my smartest.)
Lokathor when do we get to see your god's creation?
Well, I asked Space_Dragon, but he hasn't PM'd me back yet. He gave me the go-ahead on plant control, but didn't say if I should join in right now with PP, without PP, or wait until the next PP cycle starts.
Oh, and should you want to see what I based Malbrig's appearance description off of: http://starmen.net/mother2/images/official/clay_starman.png
Good entrance regardless.
Also, Question: I can store my last PP as research towards my next Create Populace, right? It'll take a form or two to get the "medium sized humanoid plant" thing right.
Just weren't artifacts yet.
Anyone got any ideas what I should do this turn?
Space_Dragon, if Ongor could be troubled to take notice of a new spark, my smaller creatures will probably be subterranean ones.
Also, I may have a player for Bael entering the game soon, rectifying the situation for good. Updates pending.
If that doesn't pan out, I'd be quite happy to fill the role (I think the concept I pm'ed you about would be more interesting, but I'm quite happy to do what's needed).
... seems like people who post here and send you a request are more likely to be admitted to this wonderful game, so I thought I'd try that approach too. Side note, it's a truly beautiful story, you've all done amazing work.
We enjoy hearing feedback. Especially of the positive nature.
Somehow, I think I may have missed your PM. Sorry about that.
Anyway, you're welcome to join.
But alas, it is late so I won’t be able to do anything tonight. Instead, I’ll just post some deity information. That way if anyone has concerns or sees a potential conflict of design (like with Defluo's original version, way back when), I’ll know ahead of time and can address them before posting IC.
Name: Gadabout (also known as the Wanderer)
Domain: Travel
Alignment: Neutral
Appearance: A simple human-looking man with no obviously divine features; at least, none discernable at first glance. He wears a traveling cloak coated with the dust of the open road, a broad-brimmed hat pulled low, and well-worn knee-high boots. The wind is always at his back. Upon closer inspection, one will notice that he never stands still; he is always walking. He will walk in circles or pace if he must, but he never stops moving.
Symbol: A disc depicting a road disappearing over the horizon.
Just to be clear, first impressions are deceiving; he only looks human at first glance. Scratch the surface (metaphorically) and he should fit in quite nicely with the non-humans-only pantheon that is going on.
Though... founding the halflings primarily out of bandits will do nothing to help their reputation as thieves.
name:soneillon, the queen of succubi
domain:demons
alignment:none
physical appearance:an attractive human woman with red eyes,fangs, a long forked tail, and large bat wings that cover her like a cloak.
symbol:none
power points:4 per week
Masked Assassin
Give him a couple of days. He can be a bit slow to respond to PM's at times. And you still have to wait here for the okay to post IC.
And assassin, you'll defintely need a holy symbol.
Current Rules
``1 PP:
Shape Land (Minor): make an island, mountain, something of that size.
Nourish Land: improve the quality of a region
Nourish Populace: improve a civ in some way
Teach Populace: grant a civ a tech
``2 PP:
Shape Land (Moderate): make an entire mountain range
Create Beasts: make non-intelligent life
Guide Populace: direct an entire civ to take an action
Alter Populace: create a creature from a similar creature
``3 PP:
Shape Land (Major): make an entirely new continent
Create Concept: gain a new domain
Create Populace: make a new intelligent species
Create Exarch: creates a minion; can only attack other gods
Create Artifact: makes a powerful tool
``4 PP:
Create Plane: make a home dimension
Create Avatar: make a form to interact with the mortal world directly
Create God: make a whole new god
````Combat:
Spend 1 pp to attack, your strength is equal to the PP you started the turn with plus bonuses. Higher wins, tie is a standoff.
You have a weapon Artifact: +1/each
You fight along side your Exarch: +1/each
Battle in your home plane: +2
Shape Land (Minor): make an island, mountain, something of that size.
Nourish Land: improve the quality of a region
Nourish Populace: improve a civ in some way
Teach Populace: grant a civ a tech
``2 PP:
Shape Land (Moderate): make an entire mountain range
Create Beasts: make non-intelligent life
Guide Populace: direct an entire civ to take an action
Alter Populace: create a creature from a similar creature
``3 PP:
Shape Land (Major): make an entirely new continent
Create Concept: gain a new domain
Create Populace: make a new intelligent species
Create Exarch: creates a minion; can only attack other gods
Create Artifact: makes a powerful tool
``4 PP:
Create Plane: make a home dimension
Create Avatar: make a form to interact with the mortal world directly
Create God: make a whole new god
````Combat:
Spend 1 pp to attack, your strength is equal to the PP you started the turn with plus bonuses. Higher wins, tie is a standoff.
You have a weapon Artifact: +1/each
You fight along side your Exarch: +1/each
Battle in your home plane: +2
(just a thought)
I captured Kraid for a reason. Just wanted to put that out there. You'll see him again, but... different.
And thank you, Lokathor. That little chart will be much more effective than searching through the IC thread to find examples of other people using similar powers.
Assassin, if you want to be the god of demons, be Bael. Otherwise, pick something else.
What do you all think?and Angel... did you really mean Miren? He's way south and in a whole other arc at the moment (trying to find Cal... I hope). I suggest you try someone else. Perhaps Gabriel?
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Thought, I don't think there are a lot of named mortal places, but I can give your mine.
Allassia
The archipelago that is home of the Aventi nation
Elenda
The largest city in Allassia. It has been named the capital of the Aventi nation.
Alaron
The first floating city. Home of the Great Cathedral
Nopatria
The second floating city.
Barring a major upheaval before next round I'm storing 2PP toward Create Exarch.
We both keep records of PP given and spent throughout the turn, so if nothing else it would make sense to qualify one of us to distribute identical PP to last turn if SD and Delf are too busy.
Though even without power to burn, the gods can still get into all sorts of shenanigans. Giving their priests wedgies, appearing in dreams to mortals, falling to earth in a shower of yellow rain to impregnate a mortal woman...
Speaking of Zeus, there's really been a surprising lack of hanky-panky for a mythology.
Fair to note though, Lokathor, MathewSwift has said that humans are open game for anybody to use.
Does anyone know of a freeware program that can help generate a map for us? We are in dire need of updating it as the world has undergone major changes since the last map.
Autorealm. It's a bit awkard at first but it works.
You just gotta dream 'em up. there are so many Lycanthropes that even a relatively negligible number of dissidents are a rather large population.
However the un-bonded cannot use the Spires for travel. Nor do they have Sorcerors, or the Ritual of Natural Enchantment.
And anyway I wouldn't ask you about the numbers of your followers. Relax I'm saying that there are as many Lycanthropes as you need them to be.
Most of the time they're only a token presence on Galara. The war just has a lot.
(Note: the majority of Galaran Lycanthropes have rejected the tenets and therefore are not mine)
On another note, would anyone be interested in me signing up for a Wikia wiki? We could organize the information a lot better, specifically concerning the many Mortals who have story lines going all over. Adding information to the wiki would be as simple as updating your own god page when you create a concept/species/city/etc under your control, or copying the part of your post concerning a mortal's adventure into that page of the wiki. Other people who have spare time can apply formatting and such to make it look nice as necessary.
Elder God who has a domain that includes all mortals ever? He's dripping with overpowered.
Now now, there's no need to say things like that. It's likely best things remain constructive in here, for the good of the whole game.
On another note, would anyone be interested in me signing up for a Wikia wiki? We could organize the information a lot better, specifically concerning the many Mortals who have story lines going all over. Adding information to the wiki would be as simple as updating your own god page when you create a concept/species/city/etc under your control, or copying the part of your post concerning a mortal's adventure into that page of the wiki. Other people who have spare time can apply formatting and such to make it look nice as necessary.
.. I already voted yes on this, but I hate to only partially quote. So I'll make it publicly known. ;)
I spent 4PP to make the plane which allows them to have such numbers.
That aside: We have the forces of 3 gods against the forces of 1. The battles pretty skewed in our favor.
and ff6 has done most of the main "contributing to the cause"
All Ator need do is spen 1PP to fight them off. Unless I say... Spen a PP to counter it. Oh and Ongor threw in a de-nourish for us.
I'm good at OP, however if Ator said it was something he thought was a problem I'd oblige.
Edit: Anyone have any idea as to the final power level of the crystals? either 6, 7, or 10 depending on the interperetation.
That is the mainland that I am working on for now. I need everyone to tell me where there islands and such are located.
Newest version:
http://s397.photobucket.com/albums/pp53/lockenkant/?action=view¤t=Galara4.jpg
Also, the northern continent feels too far away.
I'm going to need to make different versions that don't need a lot of detail to better represent the distance. I've also figured out how to color and layer the images together.
These are still rough drafts technically.
Don't freak out, but i made another exarch. :P
This one is different though.
Never played FF7 but I've always pictured Thrael'kriss as a green version of Red XIII... with teeth, and hackles. Ok, random outburst time complete. Back to homework.
You're not missing too much.. But thanks to you now I'm going to picture T'K that way too... As punishment.. I condemn you too... DEATH BY SNOO-SNOO(with T'K)! ;P
PS: They're trying to make Bael a real, played god. Binding him might not help you any if that's the case.
well, he is a great necromancer to begin with, and avolakias feed on living dead so in a way, he can
Makes quite a bit of sense when you put it that way.
I'm just not a big fan of artifacts, and since exarchs and artifacts boh cost 3pp i don't think it's game breaking if an exarch has another ability.
And I guess we roll through alot sometimes.
I'll be back at some point.
Example the Threads of Fate provides a named +1 bonus PP for populace powers. This would not be included. Powersource artifacts that draw from gods and such are already included.
7 PP- Tsu'Misel
6 PP- Ongor ; Myxiniron ; Thrael'Kriss ; Khavus
5 PP- Ra'Ver-Alec ; Lazarus ; Ator
4 PP- Malbrig/The Legion ; Gadabout ; Defluo ; Eckral
Any questions just ask.
Phrased another way, what would be the most surefire bet to push myself into the 5PP/week group?
So, this "Alter Populace" action takes only 2 pp, compared to "Create Populace" for 3pp. What are the differences?
Particularly, if humans are open for everyone to use, can I make Myconds by altering Humans like was done with the Halflings? And if I do, is there some down side compared to using the full 3pp form?
You can only alter within reason. Half-lings are "human" enough for it to be a simple alteration. Whereas if the "base" were something like elves or lycanthropes it wouldn't fly.
Alter is creating a believable derivative (an additional dragon color), whereas create will create something from nothing.
I don't see Myconids as something that can be created from humans.
That's just me.
Lokathir what are Myconds I don't see them in the Monster Manual. The alter race option tends to be making a small change in another race to form a new one. Usually you have one prime race that has dominant features then someone comes along and makes a minor alteration to the race.
So depending on what you want to do you may be able to use humans and alter them.
Edit- Matthew I would say that since bael is bound for now he gets 1 less pp for determining combat power. When a new god comes along that god will take over bael and gets to start at the standard 4 PP. However much PP you want to lend him for use in combat is entirely up to you for story telling purposes.
Oh, and the wikia request got approved, so we actually have a wiki now (horay!).
That being said, does anyone have input on a desired organization structure? I want to pick at least a vague notion of how to keep things sorted before we all just go to town.
My initial thought was to have 4 main categories:
`Gods and Exarchs
`Artifacts
`Creatures
`Mortal NPCs
The creatures pages would be the race and monster writeups. The mortal npcs would probably end up being the most commonly edited. As I said before, each person would be responsible for updating their own page as they gain concepts, add creatures, etc.
The Main trouble is organizing the mortal story arcs in some way. Thoughts?
If we list each arc seperately as an overview it should work well enough.
http://galara.wikia.com/wiki/Galara_Wiki
Also as a side note: Saturday will be update time for the Pantheon. Get what you have to say out there!
Unless you think it's really important that gods and exarchs have seperate categories, which we can do too.
Bael too.
Unless they get really behind, we should probably just make people keep their own pages updated. There's already enough to do with trying to get the old story arcs in and such.
Don't forget that we can include pictures too now. Don't use stuff that's copy written by others unless it's an open license, but you can draw out your own holy symbol in paint and things. When you add the image, if you put something like it'll show up right aligned and text will wrap around it so it looks a lot better. The image upload link is on the sidebar.
Name: Gadabout
Domain: Travel, History
Alignment: Neutral
Appearance: A simple human-looking man with no obviously divine features; at least, none discernable at first glance. He wears a traveling cloak coated with the dust of the open road, a broad-brimmed hat pulled low, and well-worn knee-high boots. The wind is always at his back. Upon closer inspection, one will notice that he never stands still; he is always walking. He will walk in circles or pace if he must, but he never stops moving.
Symbol: A disc depicting a road disappearing over the horizon.
Now that everyone is in, they can manage their own from here. I just didn't want a bunch of blanks, or unlisted gods.
And the Exarch sub category should be recognized. Mm.. Simulated meta tags.
I guess we'd need power/feat/ritual space too. We can make some links leading to that under "mortally stuff" once we add some. I think we just mostly have rituals and divine feats at the moment.
I'll see what I can do about that wiki this weekend. I'll be lucky to post tomorrow... 'nite all
Locke (or def or Space_Dragon), I updated the Power Points page to describe a lot about how you can spend power points and such. Please inspect it carefully for any errors. Particularly, I'm fuzzy on the difference between an Exarch and an Avatar, and I think it show in my description of them.
Having clear rules is also important to gaining new players.
Edit: Also, everyone should keep not only their literal domains in their deity pages, but also a list of all the concepts that you've created and that you control, if that could be done.
If there's some kind of larger document on the rules and setup of this kind of a game I'd be most interested in seeing it. I did a web search at one point and I know there's a board game, but I don't know how many of those have been ported into this DnD format we're using.
I'd love to run this kind of game in my local neighborhood. We have 7 or 8 people who show up at least once a week for gaming events, and I think it could work very well as a thing to jot down stories for while waiting for other people to show up.
WHat he's saying is that most of the domains that are viable for crating a god around have been taken. There isn't much in the way for growth and new players, unless new players start claiming very niche and minor domains.
I think I may find myself taking up Vengeance as a domain soon enough... If I let this quest for retribution eat at me for this whole PP cycle. We've got a number of cool domain combinations you don't see often in this pantheon.
Based on your comment ff6, I added that two linked things can be a single "teach" action in the wiki's description of power points.
Or as it's a widespread Lycanthrope thing (in this instance) does it belong in Races?
I'm leaning toward "mortals" as otrher grousp have different cultural affinity (the un-bonded would more likely side with Ator, etc)
I suppose I'll have to work it out then.
But that's just an assumption, I intend to try to do my stuff myself.
Just a heads up.
What do you think of my newest bit of story?
Not 2 + 2 for an exarch.
"2, +2 Towards an exarch"
Reads closer to what I meant.
Clearer? I really should pay closer attention to punctuation.
9/10 otherwise.
CrazedBanana, I don't think it's too late to jump in. There is a god slot already open in the lord of Demons, Bael. Or there could be another soon enough. It's all up to the admins whether or not you're in though. In the mean time I suggest you read up on the wiki or wade through the history ;) happy gaming.
-Your base combat bonus is equal to your base PP for the week. For instance, if you received 6 PP this turn, your god has a starting combat bonus of +6.
-The Attack God action costs 1 PP; you can't spend extra PP to increase the power of your attack.
-You can have up to eight exarchs or artifacts aiding you in battle at a time (for a maximum bonus of +8). You can create as many artifacts or exarchs as you like, but you can only use eight of them at once in combat.
-Fighting within a plane you created grants a +2 Divine Realm bonus, as before.
For example, let's say Thrael'kriss attacks Lazarus. Thrael'kriss has received 7PP this week, so his base combat bonus is +7. He has three exarchs and one weapon-artifact, granting him an additional +4. Thus, his total attack value is 11. If he can trick Lazarus into fighting him within Sha'thinra, that number rises to 13 (+2 Divine Realm bonus). If this number is higher than Lazarus' number, Thrael'kriss wins.
I am now adding this update to the OP.
- Two gods defending or attacking together add their combat bonuses together.
example- God A has a 5 bonus. God B has a 7 bonus. God C has a 10 bonus.
If God A and B defend our attack together their bonus together is 12. If C is the god they are attacking it would be A and B's 12 vs C's 10. C would lose in this example.
For two gods to attack together they both must spend 1 PP as per normal for the attack god action.
There are a few major mortal specific domains that need claiming, but they're mostly abstract and hard to impliment (Like a few of the latest gods: War, Travel, Secrets...) Luck, Love and a few others may round us into a bone-o-fied pantheon.
So everyone know Ra'Ver-Alec has dibs on luck ;).
So I've read through most of the posts, and don't fully understand what is going on. ANYHOO, if I were to join this little group I think my god would be as follows.
Name:Ruskem
Domain: Harvest, love, wine
Appearance: A young man with a rough beard and the legs of a goat.
Icon: A heart with two stalks of grain crossed in front.
So if anyone wants to send me a private message on what exactly is going on, please do so, and if not, scream in my face telling me how I'm an annoying idiot and send me on my way.
Lokathor: Do you really want to go toe to toe with me? Because under the new combat rules I automatically win next turn, no matter what you do. I'm happy not to attack you, but your not really giving me any choice. If you continue to interfere with Matthew, I'll start eradicating races. Or I could just defeat you in combat. But whatever, I don't want to waste PP that way.
Bannanas- there should be a summary a couple pages back.
Anyway, the rules for the game are on the first OOC page, its pretty simple. The basis of the game is that your a God, and you gain power based on a formula that the Admins won't tell us (probably a good thing). You recieve PP once a week, and can spend it on a variety of powers. Those powers are detailed on page one of the OOC. I'll find the summary and post it.
For the story, have you actually read all 50+ (or is it 60+ now?) pages of the IC thread? I'm impressed you were able to do so so quickly. Anywho, I think some people were talking about making a summary sometime soon. The Wikia has the basic up until around pg 40 I think (the first mortal war).
As my character's the god of history now, I suppose I'll probably try to put something together if no one else does (but of course, like all histories, it will probably be biased).
The Lords of Creation
In the beginning, nothingness was all. Then Agrilnost, the divine father, appeared, created from plausibility. Agrilnost created existence, and the first Elder God. Ongor, Lord of Earth, and King of Souls. But Creation drew the attention of an evil, and so the second Elder God appeared. Ueberroth, a great tentacle covered horror, appeared. Then Thrael-Kriss, Lord of Death, The Destroyer, and Master of the Cycle, was born. The creation of the Elder Gods was almost finished, Adahan, the Fallen One, came into existence. Adahan created a sun, and Thrael-Kriss brought from Primordial Bulletes, Death Incarnate. Ongor created fearsome Purple Worms, and Ueberroth brought forth Chulls, Aboleths, and numerous species of alien fish. With this, creation ended.
Fall of Agrilnost
The world could not remain at peace, and soon, Thrael-Kriss struck the first blow. He created fish to prey upon the creations of Ueberroth, and so became the Lord of Death. Ongor then, angry at the death of his Purple Worms at the claws of Thrael-Kriss’s Primordial Bulletts created decay, and so became the King of Souls, trapping the spirits of the dead in the center of the earth. Then a new diety appeared, Myroxian, the Queen of Darkness, Lady of Undeath. She brought for Oozing Shadows, creatures born from tortured souls. Agrilnost, envious of his children’s creations, unleashed Hydras upon the world. Then, like a spark to a powder keg, Khadesh, Lady of Fire and Queen of Daemons was born. Agrilnost, furious, lashed out at the newborn god. Khadesh fled, escaping Agrilnost deep within the earth. In retaliation, she twisted Agrilnost’s Hydras, turning them into the first Daemons, the greatest among these, was Bael. Horrified by the creation of the Daemons, Ongor captured Khadesh and turned her over to Agrilnost. As Agrilnost attempted to murder Khadesh, Thrael-Kriss arrived. Furious at the interference of his offspring, Agrilnost promised to deal with Thrael-Kriss latter. He then fell upon Khadesh. In a rage, Thrael-Kriss struck out at Agrilnost, and slew the deity. Ongor condemned the action, and swore retribution, Adahan begged for peace, and Thrael-Kriss was unrepentent.
The Re-forming of the World
With the death of Agrilnost, nothing existed to hold sky and water apart. Without his power, the world threatened to collapse. Ongor and Myroxian created a child, Deflou, who immediately vanished, while Adahan created Ley Lines, connected to all life on the world, now called Galara, to hold sky and earth apart. With the immediate crysis averted, the gods returned to infighting. Two factions formed, The Deep Lords, consisting of Ongor, Myroxian, and Ueberroth, and the Duality, consisting of Khadesh and Thrael-Kriss. Adahan maintained a much despised position as a peacemaker.
After the duality was formed Tsu Misel arrived forming the third part of the gods governing the mortal trinity: Creation/recreation, sustenance, distruction, all under the watchful eye of Thrael'kris.
Ator born from Agrilnosts' body was born and proceded to trick Thrael'Kris in a bid for the domain of death. Thrael'kris who only understood and respected might, not contemptuous tricks refused to give up death. So Ator eventually took it.
Things ran smoothly until Khadesh touched upon the elder rage of Agrilnost in the form of a shard, and burned out. It should be mentioned that upon her creation Khadesh had a parallel twin in Pravus the ice lord, and founder of law. As khadesh spiraled further and further into madness (creating the elemental chaos from a portion of reality constantly "burning" into its basest elements) Bael began to rise in power.
In a bid for godhood Bael convinced Pravus that Khadesh' chaos would destroy/taint the world. Khadesh came looking for Bael and Pravus sacrificed himself to destroy the first Khadesh by giving her the domain of cold. Having the domain of rebirth, she waved between existence and void for awhile before Tsu'Misel and Thrael'kris removed the domain of chaos from her system and gave it to the imprisoned Bael. Khadesh became Khavus Rein, goddess of fire and ice.
Enter the age of Mortals.
In the Age of Mortals, an alliance consisting of Lazarus, god of Aberrations, Tzu-Misel, god of water, Thrael-Kriss, god of Beasts, and forces from Ra-Ver-Alec and Ongor attacked the Rakshassa. The Rakshassa were devastated, and the Rakshassan War came to a successful conclusion for the alliance. Ra-Ver-Alec moved his race of Shadar-Kai into the world, and Malbrig, the god of plants was born. Malbrig immediately picked a fight with Lazarus, who is currently trying to kill him and all of his creations.
As some of you may remember, the old 3.5 boards played host to the single, greatest forum game ever devised: Lords of Creation. In this play by post activity, the players play the role of gods, creating a world and interacting with other gods with cataclysmic (for the mortals, anyway) results. The end product of Lords of Creation is a playable campaign world, complete with geography, races, history, and a rocking pantheon. Best of all, the history of a Lords of Creation setting is totally organic; every ancient war, long dead race, and primordial event has actually been played through, not just made up.
Here are the rules of the game.
The Rules
Gods use Power Points (PP) to influence the world. Every week of real time, each player gains a number of PP proportionate to his god's power and level of influence; gods with many great works and armies of worshippers will gain PP faster, as will those who conduct great roleplaying and help influence the world. Your weekly PP starts at 4, and-if you've been playing well-can be as high as 9. PP is assigned by the game's admins.
You can spend PP to conduct various actions. Some example divine actions, and their corresponding PP costs, are as follows:
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Shape Land (minor) (1 PP): Glykllivar smote her spear into the ocean floor, causing a volcano to erupt from the spot. The lava flowed and then hardened, creating an island.
Nourish Land (1 PP): Wherever Artheyan's tears of grief fell upon the land, grasses and shrubs sprang up, bringing new life to this formerly barren land.
Nourish Populace (1 PP): The prayers of the villagers were answered that year; their newly planted fields flourished beyond measure. Their population and wealth began to increase, allowing them to expand northward and colonize new lands.
Teach Populace (1 AP): The Sage appeared to the elven shamans in their dreams, teaching them the making of certain artifacts. When they awoke, they began scribing their magic on parchment, to make spellbooks and scrolls; the first Wizards had appeared.
Shape Land (Moderate) (2 PP): Kur-ah strode along the center of the world, magma dripping from his body. Where it hardened, mountains formed, creating a new chain of hills and cliffs going across the continent.
Create Beasts (2 PP): From her divine realm, Artheyan looked down upon the wild horses that dwelt in her green fields. She raised her hand skyward, and several of the horses darted upward, using their new, feathery wings to fly.
Guide Populace (2 PP): Morintu sent his exarch to preach to the primitive humans. Soon, these people were worshippers of Morintu, and sent armies to the nearby elven lands to conquer them in his name.
Shape Land (Major) (3 PP): Amon decreed that a new continent would appear...and so it did.
or
Meanwhile, Kyrinian stole a handful of fire from Kur-ah's volcano, throwing it into the sky to create the sun.
Create Concept (3 PP): Lexius drew a complex diagram across the map, using preexisting landmarks like islands and rivers as part of his immense sigil. As he completed the diagram, power pulsed through the bones of the world, and arcane magic was unleashed freely for anyone to use.
Create Populace (3 PP): When Britmara bathed herself in the cool lake, her power and wisdom took form amid the water. When she left the pool, so too did a newborn race; the werewolves.
Create Exarch (3 PP): Morintu took the mortal Icoscol into the sky, and allowed him to overlook the mortal world from above. "This can all be yours, someday."
Create Artifact (3 PP): Kakavindus sat down in his dark palace, and began creating an ebony mask. He poured all of his cunning, malice, and lust for power into the artifact, imbuing it with terrible powers. This artifact could be used by gods and mortals alike to achieve awful things.
Create Plane (4 PP): Ooulzoth took one of his aberrant beasts and made it grow to a colossal size. The creature was now big enough to house entire armies within its body, and Ooulzoth built his palace within its stomach.
Create Avatar (4 PP): There was a flash of eldritch lightning, and a silvery, iridescent figure walked the mortal world.
Create God (4 PP): Glykllivar and Kyrinian were married. Not long after, the goddess Celeste was born.
Whenever you spend PP, you must be very specific about what you are doing. Artifacts must have their powers listed, races must have an origin point, etc. Also, you can't hoard PP; every week, you lose any leftover PPs you have and start anew. Also, keep in mind that you can share PP with another god for a big, joint project; creating a plane is much easier when each god only spends 2 PP, as long as the two are willing to share their creation.
Sometimes, gods will fight. The Attack God action costs 1 PP; you can't spend extra PP to increase the power of your attack. The victor is decided by comparing the Combat Bonus of the two gods.
-Your base combat bonus is equal to your base PP for the week. For instance, if you received 6 PP this turn, your god has a starting combat bonus of +6.
-You can have up to eight exarchs or artifacts aiding you in battle at a time (for a maximum bonus of +8). You can create as many artifacts or exarchs as you like, but you can only use eight of them at once in combat. Keep in mind that only artifacts SPECIFICALLY designed to be weapons can grant you this bonus.
-Fighting within a plane you created grants a +2 Divine Realm bonus.
-If gods fight as a team, they add their bonuses together into a single number.
Note that you may NOT kill another player's god unless that player gives you his or her permission OOC beforehand. If you defeat a god whose player isn't willing to give him up, than that god is subdued without being killed.
Shape Land (minor) (1 PP): Glykllivar smote her spear into the ocean floor, causing a volcano to erupt from the spot. The lava flowed and then hardened, creating an island.
Nourish Land (1 PP): Wherever Artheyan's tears of grief fell upon the land, grasses and shrubs sprang up, bringing new life to this formerly barren land.
Nourish Populace (1 PP): The prayers of the villagers were answered that year; their newly planted fields flourished beyond measure. Their population and wealth began to increase, allowing them to expand northward and colonize new lands.
Teach Populace (1 AP): The Sage appeared to the elven shamans in their dreams, teaching them the making of certain artifacts. When they awoke, they began scribing their magic on parchment, to make spellbooks and scrolls; the first Wizards had appeared.
Shape Land (Moderate) (2 PP): Kur-ah strode along the center of the world, magma dripping from his body. Where it hardened, mountains formed, creating a new chain of hills and cliffs going across the continent.
Create Beasts (2 PP): From her divine realm, Artheyan looked down upon the wild horses that dwelt in her green fields. She raised her hand skyward, and several of the horses darted upward, using their new, feathery wings to fly.
Guide Populace (2 PP): Morintu sent his exarch to preach to the primitive humans. Soon, these people were worshippers of Morintu, and sent armies to the nearby elven lands to conquer them in his name.
Shape Land (Major) (3 PP): Amon decreed that a new continent would appear...and so it did.
or
Meanwhile, Kyrinian stole a handful of fire from Kur-ah's volcano, throwing it into the sky to create the sun.
Create Concept (3 PP): Lexius drew a complex diagram across the map, using preexisting landmarks like islands and rivers as part of his immense sigil. As he completed the diagram, power pulsed through the bones of the world, and arcane magic was unleashed freely for anyone to use.
Create Populace (3 PP): When Britmara bathed herself in the cool lake, her power and wisdom took form amid the water. When she left the pool, so too did a newborn race; the werewolves.
Create Exarch (3 PP): Morintu took the mortal Icoscol into the sky, and allowed him to overlook the mortal world from above. "This can all be yours, someday."
Create Artifact (3 PP): Kakavindus sat down in his dark palace, and began creating an ebony mask. He poured all of his cunning, malice, and lust for power into the artifact, imbuing it with terrible powers. This artifact could be used by gods and mortals alike to achieve awful things.
Create Plane (4 PP): Ooulzoth took one of his aberrant beasts and made it grow to a colossal size. The creature was now big enough to house entire armies within its body, and Ooulzoth built his palace within its stomach.
Create Avatar (4 PP): There was a flash of eldritch lightning, and a silvery, iridescent figure walked the mortal world.
Create God (4 PP): Glykllivar and Kyrinian were married. Not long after, the goddess Celeste was born.
Whenever you spend PP, you must be very specific about what you are doing. Artifacts must have their powers listed, races must have an origin point, etc. Also, you can't hoard PP; every week, you lose any leftover PPs you have and start anew. Also, keep in mind that you can share PP with another god for a big, joint project; creating a plane is much easier when each god only spends 2 PP, as long as the two are willing to share their creation.
Sometimes, gods will fight. The Attack God action costs 1 PP; you can't spend extra PP to increase the power of your attack. The victor is decided by comparing the Combat Bonus of the two gods.
-Your base combat bonus is equal to your base PP for the week. For instance, if you received 6 PP this turn, your god has a starting combat bonus of +6.
-You can have up to eight exarchs or artifacts aiding you in battle at a time (for a maximum bonus of +8). You can create as many artifacts or exarchs as you like, but you can only use eight of them at once in combat. Keep in mind that only artifacts SPECIFICALLY designed to be weapons can grant you this bonus.
-Fighting within a plane you created grants a +2 Divine Realm bonus.
-If gods fight as a team, they add their bonuses together into a single number.
Note that you may NOT kill another player's god unless that player gives you his or her permission OOC beforehand. If you defeat a god whose player isn't willing to give him up, than that god is subdued without being killed.
just wanted to make that clear in case I gave that impression.
You're a 5pp god who is concerned about a single mortal being hunted by a 4pp god and the followers of a 7 pp god. Under the new combat rules, if a single other god acts in my defense our combined power would beat you. Seeing as I'm fairly friendly with Tzu, and not actually opposed to anyone but you, I'm confident that you'll have to step off your soap box and be realistic about the situation. You PM'd me the reason why you wanted this one back yourself and I've agreed to not block that goal of yours (assist you even), but this mortal is going down.
As I've said before on the In Character thread, if you get to him first then that changes the ball game, but until you send some mortals to protect him, then I don't think you can attack my forces (unless you have an Avatar, which I admit I that might not have noticed). As I asked and as Sinasilver confirmed, Exarchs and Gods cannot attack mortals directly according to the rules of the game, which is why I sent a flight of dragons after him instead of showing up personally. If gods and exarchs could attack mortals, Matthew would have been dead the instant I knew where he was.
Alternately, you could attempt to convince the mortals already at the camp to defend Matthew. This is not all together impossible and would be quite a trouble for me, since some of the ones already there are quite strong (Lv20+), and I've only got 22x Lv11 dragons and 1x Lv18 dragon.
Also, there are no Guardians at the camp yet anyways, so your lines about them being crushed to death are out of continuity.
I may be a militant zealot, but I'm still polite and reasonable on any other subject.
Also, I've read up to page 34 of the IC thread, at 30 posts a page. I stopped there and I'll read more when I get some more spare time (maybe this weekend). Other than that, I've just been following since my introduction. So yes, I have not seen your introduction. For that matter I didn't see the death of sun-boy, though I hear it was quite grand.
Edit: I noticed that you're still out to get the Myconids. Maybe we aren't so much friends as I thought.
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It took me a few weeks to read the entire thread. I admire your perseverance.
Okay, it seems that my precedents have been over ruled. I assumed that you had read the entire IC thread, but in retrospect that seems to be an incorrect assumption. I'm concerned about Matthew because he houses the Heart of Ueberroth, one of my Artifacts. He was part of a fairly intricate scheme to aquire Ember's Edge and Sur Rim, some of the most powerful objects in the game. I'll delete my post, and for this and other reasons, Matthew will be devested of the Heart of Ueberroth and returned to MatthewSwift's control. Also, players tend to be wary of involving themselves in other player's IC disputes. I apologize if I've come accross as arrogant OOC, I wasn't trying to.
I don't think Fate or Khavus Rein are going to let any mortals besides the ones meant to receive to get to Ember and Sur. You know that little prophecy where two specific mortals are said to get Ember and Sur ;).
This is the original explanation of an exarch. By the man SD himself.
No. An avatar is literally a fragment of the god's own power. Having the avatar with you doesn't help, because its still just you (only divided into two pieces). There's no advantage or disadvantage to having your avatar with you while you fight, because you can access that amount of power anyway.
What you described is an Exarch. An exarch is a free willed, epic level being that acts as an intermediary between a god and the mortal world. For instance, Dorsaine the Ghoul King from the MM is an exarch of Orcus. Some exarchs are worshipped as minor gods in their own right (for instance, according to the MM, an exarch of Bane named Megublyet is worshipped by the goblinoids). Some exarchs were created the way they are. Others were once mortals who have been blessed and chosen by their patron god and elevated to semidivine status.
An avatar, on the other hand, is literally a divine sock puppet. You create avatars by splitting them off of yourself, control them directly and completely, see and hear through them, and can reabsorb them at will. Avatars and exarchs are usually around the same level, but are very different kinds of beings (an avatar isn't really a being at all, so much as a remote-controlled appendage).
Now I don't know if he later changed it or not... However by the original rules Exarchs interact with mortals.
Otherwise a whole story-arc is invalidated (Adahan's trial) and Camu's most recent innovation (one which I intend to duplicate) is neutered.
Which post removed the ability of exarchs to participate in mortal meddling?
HUMOR
In other news, everyone whose ever been in two places at once apparently owes PP, and every mortal slain by Ator's avatar is seemingly still alive since gods cannot fight with mortals and avatars are just a second body for a god.
/Humor
Oh well. I'm not an admin, and wasn't expecting to be quoted when asked how I understood it to work, so I feel no regret.
That is the best humor I've seen in a while. I simply found teh original rules, and I never heard any actual change. I may have missed it but from where I stand that ruling is still alive and well.
I recall Kraid being banned from attacking a Raka army, and then Ongor instead made an avatar to destroy the Lycan army that Kraid was backing up.
Well a god can attack mortals pretty easilly:
Shape Land a city into a volcano (raining molten destruction on them).
Or De-Nourish (SD has precedent) and take out a chunk of their armies.
By the definition of 4e both Exarchs and Avatars interact with mortals. Now in-game the rules might be tweaked a little. But if we do that it makes giving stats to Exarchs meaningless (or rather paradoxical, something which never interacts doesn't have stats and the stats are there for interacting with mortals).
Kraid could have been "prevented" for outside reasons, however I'll see if I can find the actual post.
(right. You can drop boulders or make volcanoes under the mortal armies, but that costs PP. Exarchs are fine, though; Kraid can attack other mortals without you needing to spend any PP. That's kind of what he's for)
Once again reaffirming Exarchs can attack mortals...
A quick work through and I couldn't find a change in the rule.
*shrug*
SD, you got a voice here? You'd know where you changed the rule better than I.
Angel please note that any time a God directly tries to command any percent of a populace, that is considered a guide populace action. So all the times you've been having Lazarus appear in the minds or dreams of mortals to give them any guidance or advice should have been the guide populace action. The small exception to this rule tends to be a god's divine servants like the angels or marut. Normally I would ok your actions with the aboleths but they are not your original devine creation. You took them over guiding them to worship you. This combine with your illithids and recent actions is what allowed you to get to the 5 PP level. You had been doing some decent character development and had been involved with the world.
Role playing small actions like sending the first of your creation or your divine servants to do a small task is acceptable with out spending PP. Telling one race to commit xenocide requires 2 PP to guide them.
I'll be fair in my rulings so all of you just need to ask me the questions. When you want to try and role play an action that normally has a cost run it by me first.
#434 says that you have to create an avatar to attack mortals.
Later, in #440 SD said that Exarchs can attack mortals.
Later, Ongor's avatar rather soundly smashed down two exarchs at once during its creation scene (#455), which would be an advantage to an avatar.
Sooo... yeah. Oh, also, you can't attack avatars with Attack God, and it never really was said what does attack avatars.
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So Locke, is my directing Guardians and Dragons to go after Matthew Swift in the green since I made them myself for this kind of express purpose? (hunting down those that harm plants that is).
I want everyone to note that the role playing is the exception. I will not always allow it so you do need to run those actions by me first. Small stuff like fetching things I can let slide with role playing. Actually commanding by god for death or war that does not currently involve the mortals will always require PP expenditure.
Ah ha, found it, and the rulings are opposed:
#434 says that you have to create an avatar to attack mortals.
Later, in #440 SD said that Exarchs can attack mortals.
Later, Ongor's avatar rather soundly smashed down two exarchs at once during its creation scene (#455), which would be an advantage to an avatar.
Sooo... yeah. Oh, also, you can't attack avatars with Attack God, and it never really was said what does attack avatars.
I knew I wasn't crazy!
Exarchs are physical entities, but are spiritually powerful enough to effect gods as well (they can aid their masters in battle, providing a +1 combat bonus per exarch). Exarchs usually live in the Divine Realms of their masters, but can travel to the mortal world easily.
Avatars are a fragment of a god's power given form. Avatars are more powerful than exarchs, but having one doesn't increase your powerbase (since creating an avatar is just dividing yourself into pieces, rather than building anything new). Avatars can only exist within the mortal world, as they are literally a mortal extension of a god.
Gods are immaterial beings. They cannot manifest in the mortal world except by creating avatars. Thus, a god cannot attack an avatar, as the two could never face each other directly (as avatars are bound to the mortal world). Gods can freely attack any creature on the same plane as themselves, mortal, god, or exarch. Exarchs and mortals cannot be directly attacked by a god while they are in the mortal world (that's what avatars are for). Note that gods can make themselves felt in various ways in the mortal world without avatars (for instance, Malbrig can speak through and animate any plant on Galara, even if his true form is an immaterial spirit-entity), but doing anything big requires PP expenditure.
Mortals are squishy and taste good with ketchup.
Thazin'kriss is usually with my mortals...
Not cool. Oh well.
I think that Fate + Luck are two things which need to be kept apart.
No getting a monopoly on how things work, ya' understand?
*he says as he idly considers how to dominate the world*
Humor is a wonderful thing right?
I am the king of making Monopoly Money!!
Anyway... It does feel better to me if Fate and Luck aren't connected. They don't really feel like concepts that get along to me.
*shrug*
But that's one opinion.
So, the way you have worded it will prevent you from using the spires for nourish actions when your exarchs use their power for you. If however on the same turn you use the spires for a creation power then you can also use the Three to guide your populace.
I know this doesn't make a lot of sense to you but this is for game balance reasons. This is to keep the game from degenerating into a PP production game. I would much rather prefer you rework your artifact or your exarch to fit with the PP bonus limit for this game.
Any questions or confusion just ask me.
Edit: You're not on yahoo? *expletives*
Thought, you're cracking me up. Your request was perfectly clear, but then you used the obscure word "Psychopomp".
Sorry. Psychopomp is just so fun to say, though
question:: in post 1698, Lazarus claims to have taken back the heart of Ueberroth. however, later in 1989 Khavus claims to have the heart of ueberroth.
http://forums.gleemax.com/showpost.php?p=17250152&postcount=1968
http://forums.gleemax.com/showpost.php?p=17251848&postcount=1989
Because this would greatly modify malbrig's perspective and opinion of lazarus depending on if he really did or didn't take back his artifact and effectively abandon Matthew, I'd appreciate the matter cleared up a bit before responding to that story arc.
That seems to be the simplest way to handle that.
EDIT: Oh, and I forgot another change to Black Dragons compared to the Monster Manual version. Galara black dragons are Unaligned. That's more of a fluff part though. They should probably have swampwalk and forestwalk too, but oh well.
That made me laugh.
Ginsberg, being the smallest of all of them, spoke loudest to make himself heard. Thus formed the phrase, "Loud as a Ginsberg".
Also, the names of those first 55 Myconids to intrepidly set out into the world:
Show
Alok
Amnyt
Azri
Beyw
Bmikr
Carl
Cecnox
Crnig
Csymzycd
Cyhtny
Davcre
Dolro
Duuvnyt
Elrad
Gfankeh
Ginsberg
Gulik
Gultar
Gybcmu
Hemeg
Hikik
Jigib
Kapslo
Kehcpank
Kimdyn
Kimeg
Kwergin
Lynm
Nageg
Nagmeh
Nilik
Nywsyam
Omdar
Oynes
Piaz
Plugh
Qwerth
Razmael
Regeg
Rekik
Reklin
Sandra
Shruk
Sisryq
Smaljast
Tefshi
Toofrad
Tumnu
Wryh
Xfandr
Yarim
Ylteh
Ymug
Ywne
Zekep
Amnyt
Azri
Beyw
Bmikr
Carl
Cecnox
Crnig
Csymzycd
Cyhtny
Davcre
Dolro
Duuvnyt
Elrad
Gfankeh
Ginsberg
Gulik
Gultar
Gybcmu
Hemeg
Hikik
Jigib
Kapslo
Kehcpank
Kimdyn
Kimeg
Kwergin
Lynm
Nageg
Nagmeh
Nilik
Nywsyam
Omdar
Oynes
Piaz
Plugh
Qwerth
Razmael
Regeg
Rekik
Reklin
Sandra
Shruk
Sisryq
Smaljast
Tefshi
Toofrad
Tumnu
Wryh
Xfandr
Yarim
Ylteh
Ymug
Ywne
Zekep
dear gods that was hilarious.
I think I just found a quote for my sig.
Your last post is acceptable without PP because you are attacking a scouting force of 55 myconids and a shambling defender. You can order that. You can also do something monumentally stupid like attacking the Myconids in the Underdark which is Ongors territory with your Exarch. That's what Exarchs are for.
However, I think you should have thought your actions through on this as Thrael'kriss can kick your butt. Considering the nature origin of Malbrig and his creations, Thrael'kriss might be a little upset. Just saying, you should probably think these things through.
This should be interesting to see unfold.
Maybe he'd be too slimy...
Just to let everyone know there will be a refresh around 10 pm Central time tonight on this day, Sunday! :D
Spend em or lose em!
Lokathor- Just wanna say, I love your introductions, I'm sortof sad that the nature of our gods demands that we fight.
As to eating me, remember to use sticky rice, otherwise your sushi will fall apart, and we wouldn't want that. :P
I like that.
Spend it wisely.
You ordered an attack, whether that cost you anything or not does not change that you did it.
IE: Adahan's escape from Khavus' mind.
But seriously man, Angel, an aboleth mage is like a Lv17 normal monster. Even though the Guardians don't have a fully finalized stat block and such (since I'm still working out how I want their powers to go), the preview example is a Lv25 Elite Soldier. You can't just smash them up that easily. These guys are the plant version of the GreatOne's land sharks. Just for future notice.
Edit: Matt, you put somewhere on the page and it includes it in the category. You can see the difference now.
Little plants make good salad!!
Disclaimer: I show no favoritism, everything will at one point be served as my breakfast.
Except snails.
Hmmm....
I almost want to make Astral stalkers.... But they're Immortals...
I'm considering whether their propensity for hunting makes them something Thrael'kriss would make. They may be immortal, but immortal servants aren't a bad thing.
lol
Just because they originate in the astral sea.
You aren't a hunter. They don't really seem to fit your MO.
It sounds like a joint project to me.
It's the nuclear warfare of mythology.
However, the soonest way to make it a campaign setting similar enough to Core 4e to not buck too many assumptions is to get everyone their own plane and then lock the material world out of being directly influenced by us crazy gods. And that probably won't happen soon.
((Locke, I'm curious. There are several gods that Malbrig doesn't know about, to my count. As the god of fate, are you unaware of these others?))
He mentioned that I don't know about 2 more. That's you and Defluo. There are others yes, but their players haven't been around in various amounts of time, so they don't really count.
Edit: Damn, forgot Goblin boy. Off by 1 errors! I blame 0 based indexing.
The Wander way is a wonderful thing.
Mostly because I can't think of any of my Lycanthropes using roads at all.
Not that haven't used roads, just that they don't make paths. They tend to leave their environment intact. Thus I wouldn't imagine that the Wanderway extends too far into Lycan holdings (if at all).
My Lycans anyway.
*apologizes at Locke for not being clear enough for him*
Depending on your reasons for your PP and involvement could determine a bump on the PP scale or a loss of PP. I appreciate everyone working with me for the PP distribution. Thanks!
Which post Matthew?
Edit: oh, if you mean 2092, that was to Defluo.
(I got this pp refresh at 5:30 AM)
Still need a name for the new plane, or i could just call it the feydark
only, i wasn't sure to use a shape land/ nourish populous, or just make the tower into a giant artifact that would produce the same effect
Shadowlands is always a good choice, pretty neutral. Though a bit similar to Shadowrun.
Shai'tan would be cool, if you know where ti's from of course.
As mentioned on the IC thread the WanderWay has a few benefits:
WanderWay
It grants a +1 to either guide populace or nourish populace per turn.
It grants mortals a +1 to speed when moving along it.
Over the course of hundreds of years, it spreads technology from one civilization to another.
The nature of the road was hard to represent IC, so allow me to give a few more details. I tended for it to be both physical and metaphysical. The road is a living thing that feeds off of the energy produced by people traveling. The more people that travel a road, the more the WanderWay flourishes in that area (and subsequently, if a road becomes ill-used, the WanderWay suffers). The black-road is just the physical manifestation of the artifact; only the roads with the heaviest travel take that form. However, I did intend for the WanderWay to include any and all paths that connect to those roads. Lesser traveled roads retain their more natural appearance (dirt, cobblestone, brick, whatever) but they do appear as if they are well maintained. Ruts and potholes are smoothed out, brick roads become even (and if any bricks are missing, they regrow).
Unless people think it would be overpowered, I'd like for both the metaphysical and the physical forms to grant the mortal bonuses.
It might help to think of the WanderWay like a creeping vine that spreads out from where Gadabout created it. It overtakes and replaces existing roads, but all such roads must be connected to WanderWay. Unless something special happens, like a ritual, it won’t appear on any islands (flying or otherwise). It doesn't create new roads either, but if mortal create new roads connecting to it, it can expand down that road.
It grants a +1 to either guide populace or nourish populace per turn.
It grants mortals a +1 to speed when moving along it.
Over the course of hundreds of years, it spreads technology from one civilization to another.
The nature of the road was hard to represent IC, so allow me to give a few more details. I tended for it to be both physical and metaphysical. The road is a living thing that feeds off of the energy produced by people traveling. The more people that travel a road, the more the WanderWay flourishes in that area (and subsequently, if a road becomes ill-used, the WanderWay suffers). The black-road is just the physical manifestation of the artifact; only the roads with the heaviest travel take that form. However, I did intend for the WanderWay to include any and all paths that connect to those roads. Lesser traveled roads retain their more natural appearance (dirt, cobblestone, brick, whatever) but they do appear as if they are well maintained. Ruts and potholes are smoothed out, brick roads become even (and if any bricks are missing, they regrow).
Unless people think it would be overpowered, I'd like for both the metaphysical and the physical forms to grant the mortal bonuses.
It might help to think of the WanderWay like a creeping vine that spreads out from where Gadabout created it. It overtakes and replaces existing roads, but all such roads must be connected to WanderWay. Unless something special happens, like a ritual, it won’t appear on any islands (flying or otherwise). It doesn't create new roads either, but if mortal create new roads connecting to it, it can expand down that road.
Though to be fair, it is really just a mangled version of Satan.
And as for the Wanderway: If it's meant to promote interaction then it makes little difference to my followers. They use the Spires for travel if they need to get somewhere. Thus there aren't any real trails for it to follow. Except where the unenlightened cut there way in. A solid tapestry crossed by no more than a few game trails if at all.
They happen to have the most efficient form of travel there is. More time to go hunting bulettes and aberrations.
Keep telling yourself that. ;)
the astral sea is sooo toast.
answer
dump oil on it. :D
They happen to have the most efficient form of travel there is. More time to go hunting bulettes and aberrations.
And how to they get to and from the spires, I wonders? ;)
But I'm fine with that. No roads to speak of in your territory means no WanderWay to speak of either.
EDIT: I updated the Wikia, adding a category (and user pages) for players so we can easily see who controls what gods, mortals, races, planes, artifacts, etc. However, not all the players have a wikia account that I could find, so only about 5 of us have pages. I filled in some information that I could recall off the top of my head (what gods you control, any mortals I can keep straight, races, etc) but I'm sure it is all incomplete (well, except for my own info).
Camu, I'm gonna swipe back all those undead plants you keep trying to make one of these days. Umbralsysthesis is perfectly fine and I <3 you for that idea, but undead plants are a a perversion of plant life just as much as undead animals are a perversion of animal life. Consider yourself "on notice". I don't have a big board like Colbert does, but I can get one if you like.
You should be able to suppress his attack (and the pact) the main thing was to show you had made it.
How does this work?
OH SNAP!!! well played sir. well played.
Moreover, how do you decide combat for another player? You're as bad as Armisael, Angel.
Still... Bael shouldn't have been aced so easily. Kind of a shame really. to one shot a character of his background: The first creature Khavus ever created... The rules say I can say whether he's dead or not. I say he's not just another power source to be collected by an aspiring godling. I want a rich campaign world by the time this is done, not one where less developed characters erase main villains. Kill Bael, no more infernal pacts. warp the elemental chaos No more Demonic host. I hate that. You'll be seeing more of Bael.
Sinasilver- I resent the comment about Armisael, I was going off of Space Dragons ruling that Bael had to draw off of Khavus's PP pool. The assumption I made here was that Bael had no power of his own, that he wasn't a full god. I also assumed that any god can warp any others plane, they had just be ready to deal with the consequences. I was using the same precedent as set with ff6's and your claiming of the concepts of Ueberroth. Also, as to my dictating the outcome, how about MatthewSwift's dictating the burning of me to a crisp by the fire. You didn't complain then.
MatthewSwift- I did not distroy Bael, I left him with one domain and demons, as would be consistent for a new player. I figuered that it was unfair for a new player to start with a Plane, two domains, AND a race.
Everyone Else- Wyld Mutation and I had been PMing back and forth about locking me away in a far realm like place, this was me facillitating that. I intended to create a plane in which I could be bound, and to divest myself of PP so that I wouldn't have to do something like use Shape Land against mortals.
...but uh.... you're trying to lock yourself away?
He never presumed to take your domains for his attack god action either. Which is good. Because if he'd actually attacked you he'd have decimated you. but he didn't. He didn't even use his attack god action normally.
As you said, he uses Khavus's PP pool. Meaning: He uses Khavus' PP pool. So how do you get a "I can slay him! HEHEHEHE!" out of that? And obviously you failed to discuss with Matthew before you decided to destroy his stuff as well. Which, if you were even half as up on the rulings as you claim you'd know was required. And this isn't the first time you've twinked. Just the first time I've felt it was grievous enough to draw YOUR attention to it. Would you prefer I PMed you every time you did something I felt was of poor quality? I don't have the time in the day. But I will say you and I can take our differences to PM instead of cluttering the OOC thread with it.
I'm cool with you either creating or destroying a plane for 4 pp but I'd rather you didn't do both. twisting it your way just seems like it would require more than that... or not. As far as balance goes. I guess if it would be your prison... are you sure you want to share it with demon and efreet? (two races. Perhaps he isn't the best candidate for a new god...)
This means you have a bit of rebirth ;) and Bael has a bit of mortality. but we're out the elemental chaos... it's now the brain sucker den... yeesh.
Matthew, I'll be happy to edit my post in the way that you asked.
General, I'm trying to trap myself in, because Wyld and I discussed what was going to happen for my aggression against The Legion. We came to the decision that I would be locked away, on some Far Realm-like plane. In retrospect, I should have posted OOC before doing this. I apologize. I realize that this seems to happen with some regularity to me. In the future, I will try to post OOC to ensure that everyone is ok with any major actions I take. As my last IC post has generated some... furor :P, I'd appreciate if everyone took my action as one hold until we get it sorted out.
...but uh.... you're trying to lock yourself away?
Actually, I'm hoping to get Gadabout trapped by the Star Pact at some point. There are a lot of roleplaying opportunities when one is trapped and unable to do anything.
see how i worked the word "path" into the downfall plan of the god of travel? I crack me up.
EDIT: Actually, I wasn't planning on betraying Ongor. At least, not intentionally. I can imagine a few circumstances coming up where Gadabout would have broken his promise, but I hadn't been planning for them. It was just one of those activities I thought might fit Gadabout well. But perhaps I need to branch him out from his road-fetish.
EDIT AGAIN: You crack me up too, Lokathor.
Lazarus screamed as Bael's fire ripped through him, now, there would be retribution. Strands of his power ripped through the Nine Hells, twisting them into a realm of Insanity, a realm at the very edge of existence, a Far Realm.
There Bael, you are free from your prison, now, I shall have my vengence.
Lazarus struck out at Bael, his tentacles rippling as they latched onto godlike flesh, sucking power forth. Bael staggered, his fire dimming. Lazarus plunged his tentacles deeper, into the core of Bael's tortured being, and tore out his Spark.
Die Bael, I shall finish what others were to foolish to.
Bael's spark pulsed in Lazarus's tentacles, Lazarus bound the Spark in the fabric of his plane, all of it that was Bael was gone, it merely held divine potential now. Then, Lazarus extended his tentacles again, touching the shard of Agrilnost and the Concept of Rebirth, and began to feed.
((1 PP- Attack God 4 PP Create Plane))
Angel you really need to run things by both admins and others players in the OOC beforehand.
Now for some administrative ruling. First off a plane in this game is considered to be the will of a god made manifest. Normally anyone can spend PP of equal amount to destroy an equal object in the game. However, destroying a god's will is not a simple task. First you need to break that god, in other words defeat them in combat so that they are helpless. Thus I will rule that you cannot destroy the elemental chaos realm.
Second, because Matthew Swift is having to pay for role playing purposes with his own PP. Bael is considered to have Khavus combat modifier at the beginning of the week. Thus Bael has a combat modifier of 6. Lazarus combat modifier is 5.
Third, Bael is bound by an artifact to the nine hells/chaos plane. Thus he gets the planar bonus for defense making his combat modifier 8. Lazarus would lose with his 5 combat modifier.
Fourth, as was mentioned sense matthew swift is having to control Bael and he is a god then you need to clear such things ahead of time with the controlling player.
Fifth, ALL players need to leave their posts open for a counter, as there is always something that can be done. The exception to this would be if the players work out a deal ahead of time in the OOC. Failing to ask an admin if you can even do what you did, you should have at least posted in a way like this: Lazarus edged his way to the Elemental Chaos and attempted to impose his will on the plane. Focusing his will he tried to twist and corrupt the plane to bend to his will. At this point someone could come along and tell you that the action succeeds or what not.
Obviously had you known all of this information you would have gone about things differently. So I will rule as an admin and say that you need to edit this post and replace it with ((game ruling required edit)). You still get your full 5 PP to work with for this turn and can post a different approach if you like. Please try harder in the future to work out such things ahead of time with the admins and the players involved. One simple PM to me can work out a lot of issues ahead of time.
EDIT: I was going to add planes to the Wikia, but I'm having trouble finding the names of them.
So far I have:
Astral Sea - Created by Ra'Ver Alec and Ator. Home plane to the Shadar-Kai
Novrim - Created by Ongor and Mxyzptlk out of the souls of the dead.
??? - Created by Thrael'kriss so that his people might have a realm in which to live unadulterated by the machinations of other gods.
??? - Created by Thrael'kriss as a land of the dead for his people's spirits.
??? - Created by Myxirinon as a garden of darkness.
??? - Created by Agrilnost in the early days of Galara. A world-wide palace.
Last Straw - Created by Adahan to house his people.
Elemental Chaos (maybe soon the Far Realm) - Created by Kadesh, taken over by Bael and turned into a writhing prison of not-order.
Can anyone help me fill in the names (and any details you'd like me to add to the wikia about them)?
The second is the Shadowrun
I would say you should simply have it give a PP for Populace actions.
Locke, I also put the Astral Sea up if you want to take a look.
I'll wait on the others till I get more feedback.
Anyone plan on taking over the Rahkshasa then?
I was referring to taking the position of racial patron since Ator is no longer an actual god.
Not that they got much love before, I just think a race should get a bone every once in a while.
Unless that race is mine, then it gets a boost every turn. ;)
Perhaps a Rhakshasa mage should realize that Agrilnost's Palace seems like a good refuge...
That would make for an interesting story as they would need to somehow learn about the palace and then acquire passage there, most likely through the Astral Sea.
EDIT: Side note, so that I am clear, the cannonical events are that Lazarus never attacked Bael, never absorbed his powers, and never turned the Elemental Chaos/Abyss into the Far Realm? I want to be sure before I change my character's responses.
Hate to double post, but I thought of something, Locke. Two pages ago, you suggested that we send you a PM about how much PP that we thought we deserved. I was thinking, maybe we should include in that PM how much we think eerybody else deserves as well.
If you have the time to include those then please do with a description of why you think they deserve that PP.
City= polis
Time= Chrono
Good hunting, guys.
2 ELDER GODS REMAIN
/cackle
I'll miss Ongor's hatred of T'k. Not to mention the guy who engineers that masterful piece of work.
Happy hunting yourself.
The Spires are first made as a land feature on Galara. 2PP
The Crystal Spires become an artifact containing the Primal Power influencing slow growth. A single living network. 3 PP
The Ley Lines is a Plane directly working with the Spires to hold their shape. No Spires simply means the ley lines will sink into Galara in a more loose Pattern. 4 PP for a Plane influenced by the Spires.
Ongor gets bored and destroys the natural land formation of the Spires on Galara. 2 PP to shape land moderate, this negates T'Ks first 2 PP which was also a shape land moderate.
T'K makes the Plane Sha'Thrina with only 3 PP lacking 1 PP for some reason. T'K also spends 1 PP to teach his populace "Planar Travel"
T'K spends 1 PP to shape land minor for his spires in his plane while fighting Ator. This 1 PP will be used as the filler for his plane creation which he was short on.
Alter Artifact: Crystal Spires 3PP they now produce 1PP a turn for use on Creation or Nourishment involving nature.
So the Crystal Spires will be considered a 6 PP artifact. They are considered one living network existing in both Sha'Thrina and Galara.
They do not provide free travel in between Planes and locations anymore. T'K never spent 3 PP to make the Spires that way. However, his crystal spires provide a Primal Power source. So the teach populace 1 PP for "Planar Travel" is going to be a series of rituals just like the Portal rituals. In this case though any spire can be used as a circle like the Portal rituals. This means travel in between Sha'Thrina and Galara takes time and residium.
Now, I will allow T'K to declare one single main entrance on Galara where anyone, mortal or immortal, can enter into Sha'Thrina. This can be a Primary Spire or a land location. An example would be like the Astral Fortress sitting on top of one of the largest mountains in Galara. That example has the land location of the peak of the mountain being guarded by the Astral Fortress, a main entrance into the Astral Sea.
This means that each plane should have one primary mortal entrance on Galara. Other entrances will require rituals opening portals/gates or journey through other planes.
I believe I have covered everything concerning the Crystal Spires that has been asked. Any questions? Just ask and I will answer them.
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Reminder I have only received PMs from some of you concerning what you think you deserve for PP and what you think others deserve. Remember I am looking for your reasons and the races you have on Galara. If I get no responses I will use my own judgment based off of what I have observed.
Edit-
T'K has altered the artifact again making it a 9 PP artifact now.
http://www.carlcritchlow.com/Resources/sivos.jpg
Like that... but maybe a bit more "leafy".
i'll try to respond to conversations during the week though
Is.
EPIC.
I'm still reading, but, once I'm done, I will want in.
What concepts and portfolios are avaliable/haven't been created yet?
Creativity, Moon, Protection, Love, Civilization, Strength, Wisdom, Machinery
There are a few open gods.
An elder god, Ongor, recently had his player bow out. PM Locke_Kant and Space_Dragon for information on that.
The lord of demons, Bael, has been needing a player for a while. PM Locke_Kant and MatthewSwift for that.
Additionally, a new godling is waiting to be born, needing a player. For details on that, you would want to PM Locke_Kant, ff6shadow, and MathewSwift
It should be noted that Locke_Kant is the only currently active administrator. Any and all new entries must pass through him for the moment, regardless of who else you contact.
I'm preparing the refresh right now so be ready for that.
Feel free to suggest domains, and I'll maintain a list of possibilities as well.
... So I can assume Magic has been taken?
Aye. You can find a list of the gods and their domains in the pantheon thread, if that would help you: http://forums.gleemax.com/showthread.php?t=1101564
Some of it is slightly outdated (Defluo has more domains, mostly damage types, Alec has time, and I think Ongor has law as well. I don't think anyone's reclaimed Adahan's domains, and even some of other people's domains they might give up if you PM them).
The cruel fact of the matter is... I can't remember what I wanted to talk to you about any more. Instead, in classic Civilization II fashion, I insist that you withdraw your troops at once. I guess.
seriously, the avolakias are there longer then your god exist
I do not remember if Divine has been claimed.
That leaves some still open I suppose.
also: ff6 is my proxy when I'm not available to take actions during big events, as such he can do anything I would do concerning T'k including but not limited to:
Attacking
Defending
Speaking
Illustrating actions (Thoughts, and such)
And certain actions I have approved him to take or that he knows I have plans to do (Creating new races connected to the event, offering PP as part of the event (think the chaining of Bael), etc.)
This is to keep events involving T'k running smoothly. I usually have explained extensive plans with ff6, so due to my current... distance... as I aid in working on my house I feel that T'k needs someone to make sure my plans don't fall apart and ff6 is the best candidate.
I have no intention of leaving the game, I just know that I don't have as much time online as I usually do as most nights I've collapsed long before you guys begin in earnest, and forcing a tory event to go on hold or get bent in a way that it shouldn't because I'm not here with ready answers is a bit unfair.
seriously, the avolakias are there longer then your god exist
Apparently my friend you've never played Civ II. The AIs never did care who was where when, they'd just come in and settle their own cities between your cities and think that everything was their territory. Not too bright those AIs.
But yeah, if you don't mind, we can just leave that IC story bit there for now and pick it back up once I have some sort of message for Myx. Consider it an Embassy if you will.
Thought: Don't feel bad about spending it all fast man, I'm down to 1pp. Not that anyone is gonna actaully remember to ask me to attack Lazarus with them..... but oh well.
Commerce makes the world go round; Deific commerce makes the world.
Name: Lukan (Loo-Khan)
Domain: Love (soon to be music,strength, and , if no one claims it this round, protection as well)
Alignment: Unaligned
Physical Appearance: He appears as either a young man or woman, depending on his mood. In his purest aspect, he is genderless, although beautiful to both sexes. There is a black, necrotic spot above his heart, though, representing the darker aspects of love and the evil it can cause. Lukan usually keeps it covered in a simple white tunic, but the spot spreads when he is distressed, eventually opening a hole where his heart should be. When he calms down, his flesh repairs itself. His hair and general features change with each new glance at him (He goes by him as a matter of course, not due to an actual gender choice. He acts more male than female, and thus refers to himself as such.)
Symbol: A large golden heart with the silhouette of a longsword pointed down in the middle of it.
Hey all, would anyone care if I stole Adahan from Ator's throne room?
Water Defluo looked out the window of the Cathedral, noticing dragonborn passing through the courtyard, he smiled gently, rocking the godling in his arms, and looked down at them, "... One day I'll guard your first creation with mine, little godling."
was the last place the godling was mentioned.
Happy gaming. If you have any questions just PM me or Locke.
... surely I'm not the only one who wants to yell out, MORTAL KOMBAT! ?
That is to say he's acting on impulse.
AngeloftheNight Adahan is no longer there he is gone already.
We've also got a Wiki man, http://galara.wikia.com/wiki/Galara_Wiki , So go put up your info on a page there. Fill in as much as you like, each person is kinda using their own format for info on their god's page beyond the basic stuff.
And Angel... you just had to go and make aberrant plants, eh?
(I'm not being lazy, I'm just unsure of how a god of love should be born.)
For a more abstract concept, it's kinda sketchy. I'd say you could ask some of the other folks on IM, but it looks like none of them are on right now. Most of us use the Yahoo IM network, some of us have AIM. If you're interested in that kind of thing.
And you're already born I think... but my understanding is that right now you're effectively a raw divine spark with no purpose. So, perhaps you reach out and touch some loving thing that imprints upon you, giving you supreme control over all matters of Love.
I could be wrong about your current state though, FF6 and MatthewSwift would be the folks to ask about that.
... Mortal Kombat, you know, because Lukan sounds like Liu Kang and... ah, never mind.
If you are the child of Tzu'misel and Khavus, then Sinasilver/Defluo might be able to help you. You exist and just need to "claim" (for free, to my understanding) your first domain (love). Given that Defluo seems dedicated to giving you the love he never had, that might be something for you to latch onto.
... Mortal Kombat, you know, because Lukan sounds like Liu Kang and... ah, never mind.
I like the idea... I think I'll go with that.
Also, I got the joke. Didn't think about it before I made it, but eh. I was trying to keep the name from sounding harsh.
I got in a streetfight with a letter K once. I won, but he managed to give me a black eye.
I got in a streetfight with a letter K once. I won, but he managed to give me a black eye.
I think U mean he gave U A black I. ;)
ff6- you have the wheel. If Khavus, or her creations come under attack respond with full force. Everything.
Shinikama- You're born and under the care of the one careful Defluo I can think of at the moment. Love can come from him or you can go out into the world and find some to claim. You're the story teller for your god :D show us some stories...
Funkachicken- Bael's yours on the condition that you don't make your great escape until I get back... It's a big event for Khavus and I can't exactly miss it. So please feel free to bolster your demonic armies and such, humans have their first demon hunter: We'll see how they fair when the gods go to war :D
Eckral- Sorry man I wish we could have got the RP to a pause point.
I'll stop by every now and then but I probably won't be posting anything over the next week. By the time I get back Clan Feuge should be reaching the Northern Alliance, Cal and Miren should be at the great Cathedral, Rian, Kris and Matthew should just be arriving at Vade with the Feuges... If the world's not on fire things should explode soon after that.
Happy Thanksgiving all!
But, did Matthew okay you to take on Bael? He was supposed to send me a PM if he did.
I missed that part of the post.
Side note: Can you really create an entire class of beings (devils) with a single create populace?
You can usually just edit a post instead of triple posting.
I like the idea... I think I'll go with that.
Yeah, thoughts idea seems to be pretty good.
And, yeah, funk. Feel free to edit your posts next time if nobody else has posted yet. We've got a big enough thread already.:D
EDIT: ...at least I thought so.
Funk, you'd need to spend some PP to attack a race you've never seen.
2 things.
1, i've been watching the world from my prison for a long time so i would probaly no about them. Though again if some more people object i'll change it to another race.
2, it's not really an attack more like i focused most of the imps soul harvesting on them. (more a setup for latter pp expenditure)
Also to ff6, would devils give me pp like a normal race because of their soul harvesting.
THere is that. I should have mentioned it. You'll need to give your imps time to explore the world and gather somew recon first.
sorry didn't see that while typing my reply. should i edit it and just say i sent them to harvest souls in all directions.
At least you don't need to get some goon to find the 4 red pages to spring you out. That'd take forever.
Additionally, as I think aboout it, you can't really send them out. It is a prison plane. It was designed to imprison Bael and his minions. The best way to get your people out of their would be to teach a populace to summon devils. But I'll give a pass on that since their are infernal warlocks out there, and they may be capable of summoning them.
As for devils granting PP, I don't beleive they will at all, but you'll need to discuss that with Locke. He's got PP covered for the moment.
It's rough being stuck in a prison plane.
I agree. But if i was out i'd probaly start destroying everything.
e best way to get your people out of their would be to teach a populace to summon devils. But I'll give a pass on that since their are infernal warlocks out there, and they may be capable of summoning them.
so can i send the imps out or not. i'm a little confused.
But yeah, you're one of the smaller group of folks who can destroy everything and not really suffer for it.
Edit: oh yeah man, and don't forget that you can edit posts instead of double posting.
edit: okay thanks for reminding me.
Edit: how will i judge how much the devils learn for me.
As a side note, you do have Efreet and daemons in your plane. For info on daemons, you'll have to talk to Matthew to know exactly what the deal is with them.
You should also explain exactly how you are calling for Thrael'kriss and Myxinrion. Are you sending an emissary, or simply screaming out, hoping they answer?
Edit: Removed the Prison Plane information
For info on daemons, you'll have to talk to Matthew to know exactly what the deal is with them.
Untill he returns from his thanksgiving break can just assume they cover all the demons in the MM.
Edit:I'm really just sending out a divine summons. It's a lot like using that 3.X spell that let you whisper a message on the wind and then whoever you sent it to would hear it.
Edit:Also thanks Lokathor for the response on my info question.
Also, I don't think any of those 3 are online right now.
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anyone have any pp left
It'd be kinda cooler if the game was updated twice a week, but about half of us can't post that often. Mostly because a college semester is coming to a close so people with high credit counts need to focus lots on school.
Maybe we could get 2/week updates during part of December if everyone is free.
And my numbers on PP right now:
Myxinrion - 6
Thrael'kriss - 2
Khavus Rein - 6
Ra'Ver-Alec - 4
Defluo - 2
Gadabout - 1
Lukan - 4
Personally, I've got 4 left.
Side Note: Guess those efreet aren't giving you PP for sure now.
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only problem is that it takes pp to make races and takes races to make pp
Edit: though maybe orcs would work better for this.
Also, you are aware of all 3 of your domains right?
And Defluo answred you.
ANyways, I'm pretty sure I'm out for the night.
Yeah, I think most of the gods are gathered at the Astral Sea seeking judgment upon Adahan for his recent actions.
Heh, I find this to be a funny trend: Gods have a great conflict and a new god shows up.
It's happening again to a lesser extent... This time Bael and Tzu, with Lukan being the new guy.
4 for Create Plane (3 from this turn, 1 from last)
2 for guide populace (1 from this turn, 1 from wanderway)
Luckily as the god of travels I would presume I'm also the god of fleeing in the face of danger ... um... I mean, the god of advancing to the rear.
I'm actually out by my last count. Which means I've gotr a few days of waiting to get through.
And screaming impotently at the little annoyances who seem to think they're so special.
*sigh*
oh well.
No biggie, this 3 way conversation died down fairly quickly.
Wonderlust King; Gadabout probably isn't so much a gypsy, but you know, a plant can dream.
edit: i think fate entered my prison once but i can't remember. anybody know.
edit: i'm probaly gonna manipulate her instead. but if bael or the balor killed her and took the knife would it count as his artifact (+1 to attack). just wondering
ALso, I went through and redid my counts
Myxinrion - 6
Khavus - 6
Ra'Ver-Alec - 5
Defluo - 2
Lukan - 4
EDIT: oddly enough, the imp didn't wait for Merrium to tell him anything.
...the eating comes later. ;)
Nothing important.
funk, I've got the final definition of what you can and cannot do from your prison listed here now.
You Can
Send minions out into the worldSend your exarchs into the world.
Through your Exarch, spend PP to Teach/Guide/Nourish races
Spend PP to make new races, though they would be within your prison
Create exarchs, though not through your minions. You can exarch your minions though.
Create Beasts, through your Exarch or within your prison
Create Concept
Create an artifact
Through your Exarch, spend PP to Teach/Guide/Nourish races
Spend PP to make new races, though they would be within your prison
Create exarchs, though not through your minions. You can exarch your minions though.
Create Beasts, through your Exarch or within your prison
Create Concept
Create an artifact
edit: lucky him
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I mean, meet.
Ator's Knife can not be found or taken by any other god. Gadabout's halflings get to use it for role playing purposes mainly. Ator set the knife up so that it is always moving from mortal to mortal. Fate is insuring that happens, so no meta gaming jump in stealing artifacts and such.
Edit- Devil's need to have PP spent on each one of them. You can't spend 3 PP and claim all the devils in the monster manual are made. You will need to alter each one.
EDIT: Well make that "super double hippopotamus secret official," then ;)
Edit
And it's official enough. Locke can over rule me, but unless he does, I'm as official as anything.
(i'll be off for a while.)
edit: what is happening?
edit: i think it's gonna explode.
edit:super double hippopotamus secret force "go"
edit: anyone want to help me come up with Bael's symbol. So far what i've come up with is a chained phoenix. the chains would be have barbed hooks and such that stuck into it's wings holding it in place.
edit: anyone online.
Please refrain from using emoticons inside the IC thread.
I believe this was touched on before, but we have new members so I will touch on it again. As this is a story and we are creating a campaign setting, I require proper English punctuation, capitalization, and grammar.
i should always be I. This is a forum not a chat room. You can take the extra minute to proof read what you have typed.
In case some people don't know: Know and knew are related to knowledge and information. Now is for action and location like now is the time. No means no, not know.
Bold text should only be used for tagging gods' names and god speech.
Use commas to indicate information, like this, inside of your posts.
Double parentheses (()) like that are for indicating OOC comments. I would prefer all OOC comments to be made in the OOC thread except when concerning PP.
Please do not Double Post. Edit your posts to reflect changes. Inform other players if they miss your edit. Double to quadruple posting eats up a lot of space on the forum pushing the pages up even higher then they really need to be.
Any more questions and you should just ask.
edit: who's Xen. Is it the g-dling Deflue was taking care of.
As for Fate having ever entered Bael's Plane/prison? No, I do not think Fate has ever been there directly. I do recall that I had sent some of Ator's Angels to call for a meeting with Ator while he was in the plane. I will check my previous posts to find out.
I generally find it easier to follow things if it is obvious to whom the story switches at a glance.
Also I checked back on previous posts and Ra'Ver-Alec has been in the Prison plane of Bael's before.
Edit: i'm gonna be gone till 8. have fun.
As seen here.
For instance, in this case Bael chose to meet with Poison/air defluo.. Air's submissive, and so Poison is dominant... And so Bael's meeting with one of Defluo's single most unpleasant personalities.
Edit: continued fluff on daemon/devil death:
The whole reincarnation process is controlled by Bael. Because of this when a minion dies he can demote them (or even not reincarnate them) if they performed unsatisfactorily or displeased him him in any way.
Edit: Thinking about creating concept recycling:D
i'm out for the night
Have fun with the concept that I inadvertently spawned.
Short answer: Yes, but neither of us is aware of it.
It creates no drain on Lukan, though, because it effectively increases the amount of love (or heartbreak) in the world, adding to Lukan's power.
Anywho, just a thought.
READ AS: What can I make it do for me?
lol.
Maybe attack T'K.
That won't end in disaster.
Edit- Nevermind I remember now. Just gotta remember Mortal Combat! Lukan right?
But it'd be easy, because "This world is made of love and peace"
Plus, I transform into the god of Hate.
But yeah, you could sure blow up most of the common mortals.
You could try that but then I would be compelled to create the philosophical logic of stoicism to counter act love. ;)
You better hurry. Gadabout's musings in Thrael'Kriss's plane may lead him to philosophy someday.
With not being able to follow the posts since my last post this sunday, I'm now 9 pages behind...
Gonna take some time to catch up on that
I got 1 behind, and it's was killing me not being able to read it. My PS3 at home had difficulty with this site, so I have to do this from work.
I'm going to catch up, but no guarantees on much more than that.
And Locke was working on the map last I checked.
Edit: also the reason Balors don't usually leave the plane is that they already rule a large portion of the abyss/elemantal chaos and have almost everything they wish for provided. Another reason they don't send out large numbers of troops into the world is that so weakened they would lose their kingdom as another demon lord attacked. Ibza was able to leave because in return he was promised his realm would be under Bael's personal protection.
The Roman Praetorian Guard was composed of, on average, something like 3rd level human fighters.
No, I wouldn't guess you can direct around a thousand balors for no PP. That's just my guess.
Conversely they do not "count" when determining PP in a turn. IIRC
I'd personally guess 300 is the limit on free Balor directing, for all kinds of Sparta reasons. I guess Locke or FF6 has to decide.
Group of 100 => Centurion
EDIT: but apparently they got reformed into being just 80 men to a Century. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centurion
EDIT2: Because I'm thinking about it... even just 100 Balors could kill an exarch with ease, and they could kill an avatar fairly easily as well.
Of course Lycans tend to move in bands of 10-20. Otherwise it's hordes of 500-1000. Something about not understanding that their are other possibilities...
I'd encourage an honor-guard of 100. 100 Balors is the rough equivalent to an army of 10,000 lvl3 Fighters.
In your defense Funk: Bael, being an ascended Balor himself, is more related to Demons than anything else, regardless of their creature designation. I use Guradians for my "Angels", and they're technically a plant.
...though since plant is now a keyword and not a creature type, maybe their type is "Immortal [plant]".
edit: everyone okay with that.
It is entirely possible for pieces of Melian to be inaccessible to any but the bonded. Rooms without doors or windows and such. Any of the Bonded would instinctively know the complete layout of the city. Not in such a way as being able to draw a map, rather they would know how to get anywhere they needed to and would be unable to be lost. Assuming they don't simply teleport where they want to be.
Note that in the long run there are likely to be few roads between any cities such as Melian as they are in themselves a nexus through which the Bonded can carry passengers.
It would be awesome.
"then just make sure your side wins. History favors the victor. For a time, at least."
ooooooooh zing.
(Funk, I've got a question for you. How can you justify knowing that it is a godling talking to you, or that your concept has been stolen? Please answer in the OOC))
Sorry complete mistake on my part. Thanks for catching it. i'll change it.
Edit: sorry i've been gone a while. also Angeloftheknight what post should i respond to, i think i missed it.
And you'll find Angel's post here.
Edit: did we get pp while i was gone.
Very well. But I must warn you that your making a mistake.
The Balor then left to find the leader of teh Elves.
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When Bael saw the changed balor he asked
Which god has changed you so and sent you to meet me.
(The fallen one is one of your Exarchs right.)
your should be you're for you are.
teh should be the.
Edit: so Locke Kant did we get are new pp while i was gone.
ff6: I think it's fair to say that unless a god is specifically trying to hide who they are (like Ator did once or twice with Thael) then other gods will automatically recognize each other.
Edit: to clarify, i was metagame thinking.
Edit: How late is late cause i have school tomorrow.
You can find out about it all on your own though, as soon as you try to make scrying yourself and fail, once PP is handed out that is.
And it was mostly the scrying thing. But, given how Defluo manifested, knowing who he was is a bit iffy as well. He manifested as a crap load of floating eyes.
Lokathor thanks for the idea on how to realize scrying was taken. (IC of course)
ff6: I think it's fair to say that unless a god is specifically trying to hide who they are (like Ator did once or twice with Thael) then other gods will automatically recognize each other.
To an extent; a god should have a way of knowing about the other god. Gadabout's never meet Lukan and Lukan's new, so I'd expect neither to know the other (at best, we might recognize each other as gods). Alec's never met Gadabout either, though I expect his control over Fate (and thus, his familiarity with the threads of Fate) would give him some idea of who he is. Defluo is the god of knowledge and secrets, so he would totally know who Gadabout is (and he knows more about Gadabout than anyone else, I'd wager). However, Gadabout's never formally met him so that knowledge doesn't work both ways.
I did mean that one god will recognize another that they already know, despite the shape or form they should happen to pick unless it's explicitly a disguise.
Gods who have never met each other obviously won't know each other, but as you say they'll probably know the other is a divine creature. I, for example, have yet to meet Lukhan or that goblin guy, and I've yet to formally meet Myx. I know that she exists somewhere from her manipulations of plants, but I guess I wouldn't know she's a "she".
If you are trying to disguise yourself, it would be good to specify as such, but not necessary in every case. Defluo's eye trick was obviously a disguise.
And Tzu can pass for Tzu'misel with no difficulty at all. Same goes for the other. I was relying upon that for everything he's did before Malbrig and Gadabout revealed the truth.
Artifacts are fun.
..And all I wanted wikipedia to tell me about was trowels...
Please excuse the Wall o' Text that I made. I didn't realize it was that long. Good thing I bold the actual actions when I take them.
As in "Why are you looking up Trowels?!"
They are your basic Half-Elves, albeit they may or may not be Bonded. Unlike other bonded races they are not born to the bond. They can choose whether to take it up.
Only a union between to Bonded individuals can produce a naturally bonded child. And I'm going with the base stance that Humans are not bonded.
Starting around post 2463 we talked about it. Gadabout, Thael, and Malbrig, that is.
As to where he is... i dunno, just pick anywhere on Galara.
Water Defluo continued to cling to the orb before it for several moment, bending his will into it, "You must rise... The world needs you now. You must rise. I will deliver your message to mother.. But rise."
Who's in the orb.
Seriously man, read the thread.
Give each post a quick read. The extra-long things by Wyld and FF6 are mostly mortal stuff you can skim past. Everything else you should pay attention to so that you're up to date.
Anyway... I kinda feel bad for that imp...
Hmmm...
I'd say that's a worse fate than any of the other imps will ever face.
No go AngeloftheNight! You crack the coffin open and find nothing. Agrilnost's remains are not their, simply a monument.
Boy that has to suck angelofthenight. I feel for you.
oh it's one paragraph.
True. I'm guilty of ripping things off myself, so I suppose I shouldn't point fingers.
Boy that has to suck angelofthenight. I feel for you.
Next he's going to use.... your skeleton instead Bael! Muhahahahaha~
Though to spoil things, not too much longer. ;)
But like I said, they've forgotten to not pet bears.
Incidentally, do Gnolls exist yet?
Edit: since the same thing that happened to Ueberroth is happening to Ongor does that mean we can claim his concepts?
Counter edit: Naw, I think Locke will just play for him if it comes up. I guess if you had the stuff you could use attack god to steal his domains, but it's not free, or easy. Everyone else would probably jump to his defense.
Though I can't really imagine Bael as an earth god. Maybe decay. And Lazarus strikes me as more of an underworld kinda guy.
Well nor were the lycans, elves, empys, anventi, myconids, goblins, big goblins, fuzzy goblins, salamanders, shadar-kai, dwarves, drow, Illithid, aboleth, or rakas.
Yeah but those were all made individually. Example create populous-drow-3pp. What I'm saying is since no one spent pp to specifically make them then they don't exist.
Yeah but those were all made individually. Example create populous-drow-3pp. What I'm saying is since no one spent pp to specifically make them then they don't exist.
I get that bit. Maybe I should rephrase the question: Were they ever made by anyone at any point in our 2250+ post saga? Until recently, for example, I'd forgotten entirely that any of the goblinoids existed, because they don't really do much off of their little home continent.
Also, on the subject of Ongor and all, since Earth is his prime domain, that one would probably be hardest of all to wrest from his control.
edit in response to counter edit:
Counter edit: Naw, I think Locke will just play for him if it comes up. I guess if you had the stuff you could use attack god to steal his domains, but it's not free, or easy. Everyone else would probably jump to his defense.
That reminds me, if you attack a god and win can you then spend pp to claim one of their concepts. It's happened at least twice that i can remember (both to Thrael) but i was wondering whether that was planned out in advance through pming
Then again, they say that government is a thing that does small things poorly, but also does big things poorly too, so that could backfire as well.
Gnolls have not been created, but I know that Eckral intends to soon.
We are waiting for someone to show an interest in playing him.
AHHHHHHHHH
Anyone who wanted to play Ongor, should PM Space Dragon.
Counter edit: Naw, I think Locke will just play for him if it comes up. I guess if you had the stuff you could use attack god to steal his domains, but it's not free, or easy.
That reminds me, if you attack a god and win can you then spend pp to claim one of their concepts. It's happened at least twice that i can remember (both to Thrael) but i was wondering whether that was planned out in advance through pming
As to abberations, angel is a cool guy, you can probably work something out. He'd probably give you partial control (like Defluo handing out partial control of secrets) if you went after him.
Fire, Air, Water, Cold, Knowledge, Freedom
He can only claim sole access to Acid, Force, Poison, Secrets, Scrying
That was advance planning between via PM. Atacking a god does not let you steal a domain unless they have agreed.
Thanks
Though... Gadabout has two faces, four arms, and four legs. He is kinda an abberant thingy already.
Besides, strange combinations makes people interested in the story behind why it ended up that way.
Now I need him to respond. I want to know what he wants.
Tzu narrowed his eyes, and looked at Bael, "It seems you've got a trick up your sleeve after all. When did you find time to bring a mortal into your service?"
ff6 since he's obviously trying to hide it shouldn't you at least have to use some pp to find out he is and Exarch.
Edit: i want to clear this up before answering your post asking about him.
Had I not had secrets and knowledge, just one or the other, I wouldn't have been able to notice.
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((the Imps not dead, merely trapped, seemed fiting for all the bad situations your imps get into))
(ha!)
Had I not had secrets and knowledge, just one or the other, I wouldn't have been able to notice.
If you want to build an artifact that specifically blocks or counters a domain then you need to have great experience with said domain. Either you need to have owned the domain at one point or you need to get a god with that domain to help you create the artifact.
So for blocking secrets you would need defluo or tzu.
Sorry Thought, I didn't notice, I'll respond now.:P
Actually, Gadabout's sealed his mind against your messages. He was rather put off at being ignored twice. Lazarus will have to come in person for him to hear. Shows that he means he is serious about actually talking this time.
And as long as Lazarus has worshippers on Galara near the WanderWay, they probably know of Sigil, so I'd assume he would as well. It is a Galara version of Switzerland.
The halfling exarch is yours, but you're out to kill him? why?
Come to think of it though, I don't think I can spare the PP really.
While I would appreciate any help you are willing to offer, if worse comes to worse I am quite willing to put all the power into it myself. Actually, if I hadn't noticed you were on I would have just had Gadabout act without waiting further. As mentioned, there is a deadline Gadabout is working against.
EDIT: The halfling claimed he was infected somehow. I don't know the specifics, but then again as a god and all you don't really need to, you just will the results you want to happen and it mostly works out. The artifact comment is just OOC explanation.
An admirable goal.
On the other hand... You never had the myconids respond to the treetop city.
And I have to make some decisions as to what's going on at the Crystal City.
I guess my god's pretty tame as far domains go compared to the rest of you guys... Robot-Sun-Dream is definitely more interesting than Beasts-Death-Abstract representation of nature,
Beasts-Death-Abstract generally just seems like he wants to be left alone. I half-expect him to start yelling at the new gods to get off his lawn.
Speaking of new gods, does anyone know if Lukan is still active?
But you know.... like I said to FF6, in a society where reincarnation is a definite fact of life, is it really so okay to prolong the life of some well beyond the natural length? It's impressive that a place can be made from trees and all, but how often do forest fires come through and clear everything out? That's an important part of the process.
Unless you mean some other treetop city. That is, I tried to get to the new city you were making (which I think is the crystal city), but ff6 commandeered the story and apparently they're talking to his elf because they wandered through this current city before they can get to the city you were describing.
How long do most trees live? You have to consider the possibility that some trees are going to live a ridiculous length of time without experiencing a fire. And of course isn't there a tree comprised of a giant network that's 1000 years old? I read something like that once...
Quick Wikipedia look around: Sequoia Sempervirens (aka California Redwood) can live for 2200 years. They only get 8m wide. The trees being described in the tree city are ~23m wide. Another kind of Redwood, the Sierra Redwood, has record diameters in the 17m area. Both of these trees are very long lived and slow growing. The fast growing trees are the most susceptible to ice and wind damage, and they tend to die off sooner. Most trees seem to have more like a 100-300 year life span.
Not that much of what Earth has to say on the subject has a major impact on a world full of sentient trees who feed on an energy field of "growyness" generated by a magical living crystal network.
I dunno, the myconids are just gonna see more of the city before they comment. And they'll probably want to speak with a city official.
Largest tree is of course the giant sequoia pine. Many of those live around 1000 years as well, but both species are very limited; sequoias, for example, aren't found outside a handful of patches along the west coast of the united states.
As for a giant network... I dunno, I haven't heard of anything like that outside of science fiction.
Specifically, Shadow explained to me why that was highly unlikely. For example: there is only one airship in existence. Sort of hard to steal two more than actually exist. And that airship was a bit preoccupied with a state funeral. While Orta might be willing to kill off random peoples, angering Tzu'misel by disgracing a favored mortal... nah, that'd be daft.
Hmm... things have been quiet. I hope I didn't kill it.
And also, my Myconids did "respond" in post #2709, but their response is to simply wait around and see where the elf wants them to go before they comment any more. So, if there was some sort of more official elf that they were to meet with (seeing as they're effectively the Bishops of the plant church) or if there was something specific that they were supposed to see, it would be an appropriate time to introduce such things.
My guess is that he can't actually break out on his own. That is, if it's a 6pp artifact holding him and he's sitting at 5.
Soon friend, but not now.
Edit: about a turn. Laying the ground work now by isolating the gods.
and other things...
>.>! <..>!
There was new PP last sunday, on schedule. Just find the post where FF6 reserved your PP and see if it's before or after that post.
/bad joke
My guess is that he can't actually break out on his own. That is, if it's a 6pp artifact holding him and he's sitting at 5.
Wait, wasn't the artifact binding Bael only 3pp?
EDIT: Oh, Locke, sorry for not being able to get Gadabout to go meet Alec yet. I swear, as soon as I can manage to extract Gadabout from the brewing fight in Sigil, he'll seek you out.
Next time we go to Mordor, Orta just can't come.
Outside the cathedral right? And she does wish to speak with me IIRC.
Lokathor, just remember, all of this is Delfedd's fault. If Ator hadn't sent his knife to Halflings and if it hadn't been said what would happen, none of this would have come about. I just hope I did Ator proud
Yeah, Merrium was a little squick. Luckily she's dead.
And that little soul might be the start of the Tieflings. Might not be. But I try to introduce concepts early for use later, so it all looks vaguely planned.
Anyways, yeah. Just didn't expect to have that imagery in my head today. And her death doesn't mean much. This is a fantasy world. She can come back as need be.
And I have so been waiting for a good time to use those smileys
Hmmm... I think I need to make a sig involving the second one...
Heck, she was probably gnawing on him she was at it.
Well such an ordeal can be exhausting. One does have to keep one's strength up.
But who would want to bring Merrium back? Orta at least has a cult working for him.
Side note: Locke, I suppose this means that the First Knife is either inside the Cathedral, or in Alec's possession.
Thought, did yoou exarch Saira? Or simply guide her to wander for a good long time. I can't recall.
Well such an ordeal can be exhausting. One does have to keep one's strength up.
But who would want to bring Merrium back? Orta at least has a cult working for him.
Side note: Locke, I suppose this means that the First Knife is either inside the Cathedral, or in Alec's possession.
Saira has Ator's knife now. You did exactly what the knife does when passing on. Now Saira is cursed by the artifact unless she throws it away. She may not be aware that she has it yet.
And no, Shadow, Saira's still a mortal, and I have no plans on making her an exarch. At least not while she still lives, and maybe not even afterwards. She was just cursed to ceaselessly travel around the world, but something stronger than that brought her back to the Cathedral in time to kill Orta. It is strange, almost like someone was directing the strings of fate... or maybe it was just the result of an exarch walking the world. Who knows.
This dagger was the first dagger to be made. It was taken by Ator and made into a tool of his will. It seeks to cause conflict between mortals.
The Dagger of Ator is a +5 Lifedrinking Dagger with the following properties and powers.
Enhancement attack rolls and Damage rolls
Critical +5d6
Property This weapon deals an additional 4d6 damage with combat advantage.
Property This weapon is treated as a heavy blade or a light blade.
Property You can speak supernal as if you where a deity.
Property (Encounter) Arcane You may use Infuriating Elusiveness (Warlock 16)
Property (Daily) Standard action you shift 4 squares, make a basic melee attack against your opponent. If you hit, you teleport the target up to five squares.
Goals of the Dagger of Ator
-Cause conflict between all the races.
-Spread worship of Ator over all the world
-Be wielded by a great warrior
Roleplaying the Dagger of Ator
The dagger jumps to the hand of whoever wields it in any delicate situation. The dagger whispers ideas into the minds of those who wield it, showing them what wonderful things will come if the wielder would only strike down the target of the daggers wrath, usually a head politician or such like.
Concordance
Owner Gains a Level +1d10
Owner is a Fighter +2
Owner is a Rogue +2
Owner causes a great conflict +2
Owner defeats an enemy three or more levels higher than he is (max 1/day) +1
Owner causes stability/does not take an opportunity to cause conflict -1
In the prescence of a more powerful warrior for more than eight hours (Max 1/day) -2
Pleased 16-20
"Ator guides my hand, and in my footsteps conflict grows."
The daggers enhancement bonus increases to +6
Critical +6d6
Property the dagger deals 6d6 with combat advantage.
Power Daily Aura 6 you and all your allies are considered to have combat advantage against all enemies within thie Aura until the begining of your next turn.
Satisfied 12-15
"Quail Thrazn'kriss, for the blade which wounded your father comes to claim you!"
Property Daily Minor action: make a Charisma attack against will. You may switch places with an enemy within 10 squares Until the next round, this enemy looks like you and you are invisible until the end of your next turn.
Normal 5-11
I can feel the dagger's power
Unsatisfied 1-4
I feel the eye of Ator Upon me, and it frightens me.
Special you get a -2 penalty on all attacks which are not sneak attacks.
Displeased 0 or less
The dagger! It burns my hands, and yet I must use it.
Special Once per day when you miss a sneak attack, the dagger may slip and hit an adjacent ally. If there are no adjacent allies, you slip and stab yourself.
Moving on
"Just an ogre? Pfft. Prepare to feel the wrath of... Uh oh"
The dagger decides that it's had enough. The wielder of the is not providing enough conflict. However, rather than simply tell it's wielder that it wishes to leave, the dagger instead uses it's abilty to switch places with a foe to switch with any sort of knife. The previous wielder must make a perception check (DC 45) to notice the change immediately, and even then he will not know where the dagger is actually located.
In addition, if the former wielder has gained land and property, he is the first on the daggers hit list. If the player does his research, he will find that many of the people that the dagger demanded that he kill where previous wielders of the dagger, or descendants thereof..
The last part tells you everything you need to know about Saira just getting screwed over.
EDIT: Maybe a suicide mission to undo what Orta did.
As for the ramifications, I suppose that would really be up to Thrael (if he even notices the knife).
Gives him personality.
Apparently though I'm not supposed to be there in the first place or something. And the real trouble with all this "good god plus bizarro god" stuff is that both sides count as an 8pp creature, so they both win combats almost instantly.
Anyways, I guess my attention is not on the proceedings for this event.
Even Lycanthropes run out when faced by enough opposition.
Well considering Mr. 8pp-This-Turn gave Bael an ultimatum to either leave Galara and return to hell of his own free will or be bound there again, that might be a moot question.
Meanie:P i hadn't got there yet. Also thrael'kriss unlike your nearly unlimited numbers my level 27 balors are unlimited. Or would i need to use nourish populace. I assume i don't because the abyss has always been infinite.
As far as infinite-ness... It can be assumed that while there could be infinite numbers there is also the consideration of space and winnin/losing sides. Balors are neither exarch nor avatar. Thus they're likely on the "losing" side beingf held in check (if not pushed back). Infinite is well and good but the concept hjas little hold among immortals that do not tire and so don't "wear out".
In other words you've got a force with more backing that's meeting your army on the field.
And I'd have to say... There has GOT to be a hierarchy. Balors are NOT common as far as demons go. They're the movers and shakers. They aren't simple infantry. I mean getting 100 Balors together seems like something that is going to only happen very rarely.
And yeah, 2nd vote for even 100 balors in one place being a rare rare sight.
Balors IIRC are higher-ups. Big guys that are fairly rare. That's why they're epic and not heroic. Hard to find, hard to kill.
Note: I have a personal rule... If there is a ten level difference in creatures I simply treat the lower-level creature a s aminion. Damage is an abstraction based partially on the assumption that the combatants are of fairly equal power. Stat-block says that a Dire-bear is pretty close damage wise to a Red Dragon. That isn't true at all. The bear is a snack. Maybe a little bit of a problem but a snack still.
Edit: while fairly rare that would because their spread across an infinate plane.
Not if I used guide populace.
Edit: While fairly rare, that would be because they're spread across an infinite plane.
Fixed.
Unless you canthink of a reason you would just so happen to have *arbitrarily large number" Balors all together ready for your invasion. Mortals can get away with larger spontaneous gatherings because they have large numbers togfether anyway, but immortals who are direct servants of gods (IE Demons, Devils, Angels, etc) don't usually have such gatherings. OK Maybe 4e Angels but only because they are soldiers not goody-two-shoes heralds.
This is a spontaneous invasion AFAIK not something that was planned (IC dialogue) within the hells. Demons and Devils would invade en-masse sans-Guide but not with staggering numbers of high-power beings. Those guys are leaders and tacticians not infantry.
Little real meaning in the IC sense. But it's good to decide on what's probable and possible.
Edit: lol at Locke's response... I do try to edit my own writing but I think stuff slips through anyway.
Has to do with the Conservation of Ninjutsu effect: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ConservationOfNinjutsu
There you go Matt's original designation supercedes MM entry.
Any thoughts on that subject?
A chunk of Spire commandeered by another god is basically just a living diamond. T'k's about the only one that can keep a chunk still connected to the rest after it's been altered.
Did Ongor or anyone ever make Adamantine?
And my Spires are VERY shatter resistant just like any artifact.
...wonder what that does to the resurrection market of Galara.
I'll probably go with moonstone. I'm interested in grabbing some moon power to have control over my own source of light, this would be an okay start.
Considering you've got to be pretty strong to damage one of the Spires I doubt it has much of a real impact. Only Aldin or the Three have any real way to work with the Spires anyway. And none of the Bonded would dare damage a spire... Nor most any mortal (or elemental) race for that matter.
Anyway... The Spires will make perfect fodder for Crystalforged (the setting-specific Warforged... Which I so totally should make).
And since the robot god is gone... No constructs.
I'd sasy "several centuries" would work. Then again... You're a god. If you want Mithtril you make Mithril. True you're new-blood so you might not realize that, but you still *could*. IfT'k needs material he just makes it. The Gift is made from... Well it *looks* like emerald and ruby but it's actually just his will made manifest. The Spires are Crystal made on-the-spot.
I guess that's the difference between tghe elder gods and the new-bloods. The Elder Gods simply make what they want. The New-Bloods are much more likely to work with what's there, they have less faith in themselves I guess.
Gadabout, being an abstract concept, has had some more adventuresome creations.
Hmmm... Crystalborn I think I'll call them for the setting... Though I suppose they should by rights be completely divorced form the Spires to truly be warforged...Rrrggg...
I should release Adahan to serve me...
The Trowel should probably apply the bonus for "Shape" effects not create. Other than Create Plane.
He okay'd the create PP bonus on a shovely tool, though he did call it weird. I don't mind it being too weird though. I don't actually know if "shape land" or "alter populace" counts as things you can spend a "create" PP source on or not.
I can't imagine myself wanting to use Shape Land much.
Oh, right, and making Artifacts/Exarchs, that's another important create action. With Bael released, I can see combat being important soon enough.
My Spires cover almost every nation, my followers walk freely anywhere they wish.
Who needs fame when you have unquestioning loyalty?
/selfadulation
*shrug*
Hmmm... If I raise a continent what should it be? It would have to be prisine of course...
That would fit my MO.
FYI- I'm happy that I don't follow Thrael'kriss' religion as it sounds like a brainwashing cult.
:DThey are still creations that tended to modify what was there. I don't really think he created anything "new" in the sense of making something from nothing.
That's because I'm lazy. Creating something totally unique is time intensive, especially since I'm still learning the monster creation rules. But I suppose I should at least try...
I mean he is announcing that he wants to attack the god(dess) that just gave him an ultimatum! In front of the god(dess) where there are to of his/her exarchs and at least two ally gods!?!?!?!
I was thinking of playing devil's advocate and helping Bael remain free for awhile. But now I think Bael is just too stupid to warrant my intervention.
More like hippy-cult. Freedom for all man...
T'k va;ues personal advancement. And individuality if you can believe it. It just seems like a brainwashing cult from the outside. He asks less than most gods, he just happewns to have a tool that very nearly does brainwash his followers. The Bond is a wonderful thing... Maybe I should make it a feat available to PC's... or a background...
The Rahkshasa have been shown something they've never seen before, absolute freedom. That's why they seem brainwashed.
If you had a god say to you "Follow these simple commandments and you'll get everything you have ever dreamed of" do yuou think you wouldn't be a zealot?
Zealots not brainwashed cultists. Militant warriors not soft yuppies.
Edit: I concur with Locke... And Khavus has every one of her allies ready to defend her. You realize that means your not gonna have much fn right?
Tzu'misel apprently just got healed. Tzu is a little off-balance. Ra'Ver is around here somewhere and Gadabout is waiting on Khavus I believe.
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I'm sorry to hear that Sina. I hgope you get some more free time as Defluo is an interesting guy to have around.
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Anyone else notice thge Love-god made an entrance then disappeared pretty quick? Wonder why...
Gods can pay attention to as many things at once as their players can keep straight in their head. The only limits are limits that players place on themselves.
For example, Gadabout can usually only be in 4 place in once because he likes to talk in person, and he can only split himself twice down into monopods.
Malbrig can only be in 7 places at once, because after that he runs out of letters.
Defluo can split himself into, at most, one part for every element he has.
These are all self-imposed limits.
Limits are bad, m'kay?
Edit: since it hasn't been responed to yet I edited the post where I ask the Dreamer for aid.
If it makes you feel any better, evil Tzu was able to come through for you on that one.
Well Lycanthropes would leave them alone for sure... Metal is taboo for them. Of course you intend Elves to take care of them...
I have a feeling "gold leaf" is going to have a new meaning...
... Leaves as currency among the Elves...
MUST FIND HITCHHIKER'S GUIDE
And I'll catch up here shortly. Just got hime from work.
Limits are bad, m'kay?
Not when the player can't keep track of 600 conversations.
Gadabout only being in 4 places at once, and liking to talk to people face to face, is mostly so things don't get out of control for me. I don't know how Shadow does it, but I can't keep track of those many different story lines all at once. Especially when they are all involving the same character.
Limits are good, m'kay?
Side note: Well, gargoyals seem to be rough stone creatures, as described in the MM (well, as the picture shows). What I have in mind in a bit more... refined, as it were. More like a walking Renaissance statue. Since I'm assuming gargoyals aren't usually polished marble, I think the descriptor still fits.
Why was I imprisoned without trial? What do you know of me, or my motivations? Not to mention, no date was ever given for my release.
Fixed! :D
See Also: Huck Finn.
Spelling any word longer than 6 letters is a real hit or miss affair for me. I'm happy Firefox has a builtin spellchecker.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apositive
It's a technical explanation, but long story short: "Guilty of what" is its own phrase, and the "exactly" bit modifies it, so you can seperate that off with a comma. In this case though, for reasons I can't recall, you don't have to.
They both share the same PP pool, and so they share combat bonus as well. However, I've asked Locke to confirm.
Even with Lazarus, you can't hold your own. Heck, even with Tzu you couldn't effect an escape. Tzu would cancel out Lucia (I think that is the name of the new god), but Thrael and Khavus would have you beat.
And if was really needed, other gods would join the fight too.
Tis best to run away and live to fight another day.
Which jewels?
It's not like your trapped there now. The chains are gone, and unless somebody restores them, your free to come and go. This entire fight seems pointless from your side of the table.
I'm sure us players can be patient enough for you to get back PP on Sunday before demanding that this situation be resolved.
If he wants both, it'll cost 4 PP.
Edit: Well, here I come!
(I removed this picture, as I have a better one later on.)
Also anyone want to give me the last pp I need to do it or do I need to wait till the new pp is given.
t is a barren, alien place, a land of darkness and flames; the Pit is a giant crater into the earth, as if seeking to burrow away from the ever-present, oppressive miasma of the Lethe Clouds. These yellowish-purple clouds are vaporised water from the river Lethe, carried up the Pit by the wind convections of the Morningstar's passage, and they still retain the potent memory-sapping properties of that water. There are no stars here, no moon, not even a sun- the Morningstar is a great orb of mystical flames generated by arcanotech devices in Pandemonium.
The native life here is strange and vile to mortal sensibilities, and fresh water is a thing of precious rarity. Mortals can survive in Hell, but it is neither easy nor pleasant, for the most part.
Hell is divided into the Nine Circles, nine bands of settled terrain based around the Pit itself. The first and ninth circles are on level ground- the rim around the crater and the crater's floor respectively. The other seven circles are on the crater's walls- some quirk of gravity orientates it, bar in a 15 mile wide circle directly centered on Pandemonium, so that "down" is towards the steeply sloped walls of the crater. The Circles are, in numerical order from First to Ninth; Emptiness, Tempest, Tears, Toil, Slaughter, Industry, Delight, Malebolge and Pandemonium.
Also, Lazarus, when did your illithinds and abolehts find time to capture Kraken?
He brought the mithril raining down as a nourish. The eastern sea is covered with it.
Another note, none of Orta's army remains. They were killed to the man in Alaron.
Also, it was a small force, maybe 200-300ish in total (aided, admittedly, by a few dragon and several titans/giants, and a bunk of captured undead that were as likely to attack them as Empyreans). 75ish might have survived the first battle, most of those surrendered, but then demons were running amock. There isn't enough left to be called "an army."
EDIT: And what Shadow said too.
This was a force never meant to survive. Too bad they didn't know it before hand.
But it isn't like such a force is hard to gather. It just takes some RPing and time.
EDIT: Locke, "WanderWay Gates" is a bit of a mouthful. Might I suggest it get shortened? WanderGates or WayGates or some such.
Also Defluo isn't gone he still exists.
Edit: You missed my post Lazarus. I think healing falls into divine. Since no arcane healers have been taught on Galara, and even if they had, they couldn't restore blindness, lameness, and other major disabilities with a little rain.
Edit; Welcome to the show, Wyld.
On the far side of Galara, vast cities of Illithids and Aboleths rose. With easy access to Mithril, forges rang day in and day out. Fires burned within magically maintained pockets of air. Skum and Thralls tended the flames and wrought the Mithril into blades. The weapons and armor then were sent to Aboleth mages who enchanted the weapons and armor with strange magics.
Angel I need you to teach the illithids how to work the mythral first. This goes for everyone. Making a rare metal resource available to mortals is a shape land minor 1 PP action. The mortals still need to be taught how to work with special materials which is a 1 PP teach action. You also need to note that making these things take time. You can't say hey there's the resource and then now all of our people have it.
Yah, that shopkeeper may just get eaten by an Illithid. He's modeled off of all the annoying prophets I've ever read about. Or I could be a **** and exarch him. :P
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I got somebody to photoshop the picutre i posted earlier. Here is the new version
If only so that T'k has someone as ruthless as him to identify with.
((Except when surrounded by a great number of loving friendly people? Assuming they're feeding off of love and all that. Anyway... Good place to put them, the Lycans will ignore them and the Elves will give them only cursory notice. Do they reproduce?))
Yes, they can be planted in other places. Like I mentioned a bit, they're all fairly similar to cherry trees, including that they give off seeds. Except the gold tree of course, which has to be an apple tree, for all kinds of Greek, Trojan, and "Kallisti" reasons.
Of course metals Taboo for Lycans... but Elves might find some use for them.
I'd say they're safe.
They'd have to be an Exarch.
I expect they'll still cause quite a stir though. That's part of the point after all.
Gettig past Lycans, Elves and legion members?
They'd have to be an Exarch.
Nah, they'd just have to be resourceful. There is a place in the universe that connects all possible physical locations, after all. Technically, if someone wanted to, they could build a 182 room mansion on galara with no connecting doors, windows, or hallways and just use portals to and from Sigil to get around the place...
Actually, I might have a mortal create something like that.
Anywho, point being, if such an individual could get to Sigil and find the right gate, they could pop out into the grove, take whatever they have a chance to grab, and return (assuming they have time for the return ritual). Problem would be finding the right gate. Famous places might have comparitively easy to find gates, but random obscure locations... meh, not so much. That would be very limited divine knowledge, probably, unless by dumb luck someone stumbled upon the right gate (but that is a 1 in a very large number chance).
Also, on other matters, If that farmer was suffering a bad crop he was probably at least a bit of jerk in the first place.
Farming aint easy. Which is why they've made several video games out of it.
Though, on that topic, can one make multiple artifacts that give the same bonus? For example, the WanderWay gives +1pp to Populous actions (teach, guide, and nourish). Could Gadabout make an additiona +1 PPP to Populous actions artifact (or perhaps a +1pp to just teach, or just guide, etc)?
EDIT: Lokathor, nice story by and by
First, your artifact can't be used this turn. Artifacts that provide PP take 1 turn to start working. I do like the descriptiveness of it though. Sounds like a lot of fun.
Second, you need to give some time before dropping your new race, and having them all grown up. At least a post or so.
Third, in order to teach them to summon extraplanar creatures, it's going to take a Teach action, costing 1 PP.
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Is Zaburra a new mortal of yours? Just wondering since I've got the leaders of those nations he's trying to contact.
In case you missed is, Tzu is standing in your plane still.
Yes Zaburra is the son of the Clan leader.
He is?
Whats he want?And he wants the same thing he always wants. To be an ally.
Edit: We already are.
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Finally I can finish my work, Bael summoned the power he had been storing and used it to create a room for his experiments on living creatures.
((Create Artifact: The Room, 2pp stored + 1pp this turn: The Room is an artifact which looks like a cross between a mad scientists lab and a torture chamber. It grants 1pp towards creation.))
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Now I finally have a use for that poor soul...
Then, taking the soul of the half-demon he split into several pieces and placed them into all the woman of a large and prosperous human clan, impregnating them. The largest piece was given to the wife of the tribe's leader, Zaburra.
((Alter Populace, 2pp: Humans to Tieflings))
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And next turn (or sooner if you get the PP from someone) you can try this:
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When the Tieflings became fully grown, Bael came with a message.
I am Bael your creator, and your god. Thus, you shall worship me. As long as you do so I shall insure your prosperity, but betray me and I will destroy you.
Then he taught them how to summon creatures from other planes of existence and bind them to their will. Armed with this knowledge they began to spread taking over other nearby clans.
((Guide Populace, 2pp: Tieflings worship Bael))
((Teach Populace, 1pp: Tieflings can summon demons to fight in their armies))
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The expasion was going well but Zaburra knew that the much larger empires would destroy him if he did not find any allies. He had envoys sent to all the major empires in the hopes of forging an alliance.
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Dreamer, I will grant you access to my new artifact, but in return I require that you help me make a new demon soon. ((He's asking if, when required, you'll give him 1 pp to create a race with physic powers))
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Claim Concept: "Standardized Formatting", 3pp
I had forgot the rule about waiting a turn on an artifact until I checked it with Locke two rounds ago.
EDIT: Lokathor, nice story by and by
Ah yes. It'll be hard to try and top myself tomorrow. I don't think I can. Maybe one of you can give me another great idea for a story subject.
Just to be clear, FOTL doesn't view Pride as inherently a vice or a virtue. Like most things, they treat it as a natural part of life that both help and hinder depending on how you use it. Should it matter or anything.
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Funk, The major differences are such:
I am Bael your creator, and your god. Thus, you shall worship me. As long as you do so I shall insure your prosperity, but betray me and I will destroy you.
The expasion was going well but Zaburra knew that the much larger empires would destroy him if he did not find any allies. He had envoys sent to all the major empires in the hopes of forging an alliance.
Edit: I'll be gone from around 6:10 to 8:00
Edit: agh!!! I always run out of pp way to fast.
Though I'd hope Lucis gets coal :P
... wait, is Lucis emo?
2) If she's such a tart, why are you the one sending strange thoughts about goddess smiles into the minds of illithids, ne?
But I like the idea of Lucis' first follower being an infatuated illithid.
Apparently, this Illithid is insane, beleiving in a god that doesn't really exist.
Edit: (I can't believe I'm actuall posting this, but . . . meh.))
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Since everybody is suddenly into grammar . . .
Thought, the proper way to make a proper noun possessive is: Lucis's.
Since everybody is suddenly into grammar . . .
Thought, the proper way to make a proper noun possessive is: Lucis's.
Edit: who's Valea?
When there's a plural ( trees ) that's also posessive ( trees' ) then the apostrophe goes after the pluralizing s, and doesn't add a second s.
Edit: For ayone wondering, I'm not that much of an ass for grammar. I just remembered having that image uploaded, so I figured I'd use it as a joke.
I've only got 61 of them.
Edit: Got a question for you Funk? Where is your little tiefling deal taking place on the old map?
Edit: don't know yet. Where are all the other empires living.
For the genitive case of "Lucis," an apostrophe s ('s) would indeed be correct but in the case of the original word ending in an s (which already implies a genitive case) it can be shortened to a simple apostrophe, similar to the plural possessive. While many manuals of style recommend apostrophe s, they also state (or should, if they are worth the paper they are printed on) that both are correct.
As for that fork, fair warning, but it is packed full of lycan worshippers of Ongor.
Edit: besides I already started conquering them.
Just becuase they have no god doesn't mean they are defenseless, funk.
Additionally, I've got some expansion plans in that area as well.
Vade is in the heart of the coalition, World's Dawn is on the Easternmost point that has mountains between it and the deadwood, Axel is a trade center with the second strongest wall in the world just below the mountains below the deadwood. Ellay has been relocated somewhere to the Southwest, to the south of where Eckral's raids are occuring. Humans have been breeding lke rabbits, so their caravans dot the landscape (avoiding opposition if necessary, of course).
The astral fortress is in the world's spine just above the middle.
The elven leadership is having issues right now, and the Federation is gearing for war, so they wouldn't be taking messengers right now.
1) The vertical mountains are the world spine, but what are the, for lack of a better name, "Tri-Mountains" to be called? "Tritans" seems somehow off.
2) Matt, here's a rough preview of the city locations, I need you to confirm that they're all correct at some point when you can view the image
The leader of one of the largest lycathrobe tribes came to meet Zaburra. " Zaburra I, Albus leader of my tribe, would like to surrender, in return for joining without a fight I ask that my tribe keeps it's land. We will send you soldiers when needed and pay any taxes but I ask that we will otherwise be left alone.
Funk that edit you did requires a PP expenditure of 2 to guide populace. I don't care if they belonged to Ongor or T'K but there is no way I am letting you just say that they surrender to a fledgling race like the tieflings.
:coolcthulRemember that if you've got 100-200 young Tieflings, then if a group is much bigger than 30 members they start to be a significant match for the Tieflings, because they know all the perfect places to wait in ambush, having lived there for far longer.
Unless a god does something to help like the artifact that made the crystal spires or several nourishes that results in the tree city.
If I were to guess Funk's reasoning I'd say: Although it is no bigger than a village or town, because it is the only Tiefling settlement in existence, it's being given the title "City" sooner than another settlement would be.
I'd call it fair to add, at most, 30 guys with no effort.
That is what Orta did, essentially. Though he was relying on some good diplomacy and bluff checks.
Happy chance.Cities:
http://s397.photobucket.com/albums/pp53/lockenkant/?action=view¤t=Agrilia1-1.jpg
Territory:
http://s397.photobucket.com/albums/pp53/lockenkant/?action=view¤t=AgriliaTerritory-1.jpg
I asked Lokathor to add them to the wiki.
The only sure way to increases a population is straight out Nourish them. You could also call on slightly increased numbers each turn, though wars and such bring population down rapidly
http://forums.gleemax.com/showpost.php?p=17401227&postcount=3090
Recall that the Tieflings see 5 guys that look something like this:
http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/galara/images/f/f7/Myconid.png
but also with equipment and stuff.
And then one bug guy three times their height who looks like this
http://www.carlcritchlow.com/Resources/sivos.jpg
Should it help paint a picture in your head.
Edit:ff6 how were the efreet rewarded.
A "destroy populous: Aventi" for example would seem beyond any god's power, even Tzu/Lucis
And the map is now on the page for the main continent: http://galara.wikia.com/wiki/Agrilia
If you click on the images, you can see slightly larger versions, and if you click again you can see the full sized version. Sometimes the wiki is unaccessible for me, but FF6 never reports problems. If you can't access it, usually it comes back within 20 to 30 minutes. If you were trying to submit edits to a page, just hit back, copy the text you wanted to submit to notepad or something, and try again in a bit.
And for that matter, you should update your page to contain all your info http://galara.wikia.com/wiki/Bael
Be sure to proofread throughly, it's not a speed contest
Everyone should, as always, feel free to fill in as much information as they can about different subjects. If a section gets too big you can make a new page and have the old page just link to that.
http://galara.wikia.com/wiki/Malbrig
I don't expect others to go that far, but you can if you like. It'd be helpful if you record in your talk page all your PP expenditures. You get to your talk page by going to your page, then along the top instead of clicking "edit" you click "discussion", then edit that page.
So far I've got:
Regeg looked at the rock. It seemed ominious from here, to go up and speak before so many. The agreement had been made though, so he had to try.
Edit: why is no one responding to Zaburra's envoys.
:P
Remember that more inter-wiki links is often better than less, but each page you link to should be linked to probably only once or twice on the same page.
For example, the first time you use another god's name (like when you talk about Khavus in your background) you can have that be a link to their page.
Angel: Zabbura is his head Tiefling.
Edit:Updated my page.
Lokathor: Thanks
for example:
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Zaburra's envoy was escorted to the shore by two Thralls.
There, 20 Skum and an Aboleth emerged from the water. The Skum silently surround the envoy, and escorted him until he was knee-deep in water. The Aboleth then stretched out a slime covered tentacle, and placed a circlet of mythril on the envoy's head. The Skum pulled the envoy beneath the waves, and the circlet allowed him to breathe.
He traveled for weeks, clinging to the back of a Skum. At one point they were attacked by a few Saughahin, but they were easily beaten back.
After almost a month they entered warmer waters, filled with brilliant fish. Awe filled the envoy as they sank deeper. Reefs of coral surrounded them, bright colors giving way to grays. The light dimmed. Finally, all light vanished into the inky darkness.
A tiny light ahead. It swelled and grew, finally showing itself to be a titanic city. A city of crystal, mythril, coral, and sunken ships. The group quickly swam towards the central structure, a massive spire of crystal shot through with strands of mythril.
Slipping through a magical barrier, they arrived in an air filled chamber. Standing before the envoy was an Illithid, clothed in spiked mythril armor. The Illithid spoke.
"Why have you come, demonling, and what do you seek?"
Could you have one of those and then block it off to just completely block teleporting and planar travel within an area?
Perhaps the Shadar-Kai won't be entirely ignored after all.
I'm moving up in the world!
So if someone from Sigil tried to travel to Savera or Aedai then their opening planar portal/path would be at the Gate instead of Savera or Aedai.
Like I said, perhaps the Shadar-Kai won't be entirely ignored after all.
rofl
funk, I've got an issue. You have no way of knowing I told somebody about scrying. I checked. I was in another gods plain, and he had chosen to veil us from sight.
I don't know you did it but I tried making it IC and couldn't. Then Bael being angry jumped to the conclusion that you told someone.
Well, on the upside, most major nations have gotten your envoys now.
Never expected I'd be able to avert a war. "Look ma! I'm a real world power!"
Guess there goes my claim to the God of the Abstract
((you gonna make a myconid bible?)):P
"And lo, the lord Malbrig didst spaketh to them, saying 'dudes, don't be jerks.' And the peoples didst heareth the words, taking them to heart and pondering long over the many meanings."
((you gonna make a myconid bible?)):P
The Book of Tales is an important work in the Legion body of teachings.
I myself personally favor collections of parables and sayings over narrative style works. In the case of The Christian Bible, it's so big they've got all kinds of formats to pick from. Even non-judeo-christians or non-religious people identify strongly with the writing style that earlier biblical translations used, so if you write things similar to that style they stand out a bit more in people's head.
I think I'll avoid listing out all the long family lines myself, but maybe that's just me.
And planning to respond to the rest, or blowing it all off?
Malbrig looked out at them as they made a racket. Many other Tieflings were watching the Myconids at this point. Well, they do look a bit like Bael... but if they're trying to be fiends, that's good enough for me.
I'm back sorry i've been gone my computer has spyware and it's causing problems. Also I find Lockethor's typo hillarious because they are trying to be fiends.
You've only met Poison Defluo Funk. How do you know I have multiple personalities?
And planning to respond to the rest, or blowing it all off?
You've been in different forms before and they all act differently. Also I thought I responded. Which are you talking about.
The tielfing envoy was brought before Gonin in chains. "What manner of creature are you? And for what reason would you dare to tresspass into Galinia, territory of the Bleeding Shield clan, supreme rulers of the the goblinoid nation!?"
"I come before you to deliver a message from the coalition." The tiefling then pulls out a scroll and reads from it. "I, Rindel lord of the coalition due declare that you and your species are an abomination brought into this world from the union of hyenas and hippo's. Because you are so repugnant I declare war on your entire species in the hopes of eradicating the stain on the world that is you." The tiefling stood waiting for an answer.
All I know is, I, at least, said "oh snap".
Though... hmm, they're a third imp, a third halfling, and a third human, it seems like. Very interesting indeed.
Impressive. The Tieflings are already more of a considerations for the powerful people of the world than the Halflings.
Though... hmm, they're a third imp, a third halfling, and a third human, it seems like. Very interesting indeed.
Well you have been roleplaying the halflings this whole time and you have only really been introduced to empyreans and the humans I think. Not once did they ever petition the Terra-Kai for alliances, trades (which they have a lot of now), or simple introductions. All I have to go off of are scouting reports and rumors ;).
Funk, just to be clear with you OOC: The only reason FF6 hasn't already responded to your exarch being sent out is because I asked him not to. I'm still convinced that I can convince the Tieflings to stand down and find a peaceful solution to their plight in the universe. Plainly put, if you try to stall the Myconid negotiations to stretch out post count and then claim that Ibza was able to take over things because many posts happened, you'll raise the ire of not one but at least two players.
Angel, you can try and get an audience with them but how do you propose to do such a thing? The Empire is far away from the Illithid controlled territory and the small area controlled on Agrilia is surrounded by the Allassians, Federation, and Elves. Perhaps you will be able to negotiate safe passage through one of those nations. Next point would be how are you making them aware of the Empire and why are they just now trying to get in contact?
You've been in different forms before and they all act differently. Also I thought I responded. Which are you talking about.
You've only interacted with Poison though.
And to everything else in that statement besides the part about planning. If bael wants to blow off my offer to let him rent scrying and the ring that's fine. I just wanna know so I can respond.
Besides, Halflings shouldn't have any firm empire. They're children of the road and aught not settle down.
Reminder:
http://galara.wikia.com/wiki/Special:WantedPages
That page lists all the pages in the wiki that the wiki has links to but no text for. Things like racial pages and nation pages. If you've got some free time it's much appreciated if you could look around the list for something that you know a lot about or something that you made yourself and fill in some info for that page.
Funk, just to be clear with you OOC: The only reason FF6 hasn't already responded to your exarch being sent out is because I asked him not to. I'm still convinced that I can convince the Tieflings to stand down and find a peaceful solution to their plight in the universe. Plainly put, if you try to stall the Myconid negotiations to stretch out post count and then claim that Ibza was able to take over things because many posts happened, you'll raise the ire of not one but at least two players.
Are your Myconids going to tell the Tieflings to call Ibza back soon? Because otherwise I will win and I can't stop that.
2) No.... trust me on this one, you won't.
The offer to send Tieflings to the new Myconid nation is basically an offer for you to hand over some Tieflings for me to control and let grow in my territory (something like 50 to 100). If your batch should somehow be destroyed then I can help you start another elsewhere (probably on a new continent).
As to Sigil, we're attempting to solve that problem. Only Lazarus has been there in the first place, and it's not assured that he would either know or remember that it has paths everywhere, or that he would think to use it as a hub to get into TK's world.
Edit: post 3113 on page 105
http://forums.gleemax.com/showpost.php?p=17402369&postcount=3113
Also, sending tieflings to live in other places doesn't make the tiefling empire grow, but it does ensure the tiefling race as a whole against complete destruction.
Just so I'm not springing that on anyone who goes after the tieflings later.
Did I forget anyone?
Though, it is possible to seal a place against Sigil. Coreg did that with the floating islands (though I suspect another exarch or god could still break through). And generally accessing another plane isn't easy if the god doesn't want you there. As long as Thrael'Kriss and Alec willed there planes not to be easily accessed, it would take some doing for a god to get there from Sigil.
But fleeing to Sigil would be another matter. Its open to anyone and everyone.
And if Tzu is attacked within TK's plane, he can't flee the combat until it's resolved, not even to Sigil.
first-myconids.txt
01) ``Gulik Tribe (Vade)
Dolro the Obvious (tag-along)
Elrad the Curious (smart guy)
Gulik the Leader (leader)
Lynm the Kind (the chick)
Qwerth the Wise (lancer)
Jast the Guardian (big guy)
02) ``Kwergin Tribe (Dragon's Talon)
*Kimdyn
*Kwergin
Rekik
Tumnu
*Xfandr
03) ``Kapslo Tribe (south point)
Cecnox
Kapslo the Clever
Nagmeh
Nilik the Musical
Smaljast
04) ``Piaz Tribe (river center)
Beyw
Hemeg
*Nywsyam
Piaz the Quick
Tefshi
05) ``Kehcpank Tribe (tieflings)
Csymzycd ? (lancer)
Duuvnyt the Seeker (smart guy)
Hikik ? (the chick)
Kehcpank the One Who Tried To Pet A Bear (leader)
*Ylteh ? (big guy)
06) ``Ginsberg Tribe (World's Dawn)
Ginsberg the Loud
Kimeg the One At The Back
Sisryq
Toofrad
*Wryh
07) ``Gultar Tribe (Tree City Liliranea)
Carl the Diligent (recorder)
Cyhtny the Diplomatic (speaker)
Gultar the Calm (leader)
Razmael the Sure of Himself (guardian)
Regeg the Quiet (guardian)
08) ``Reklin Tribe (Axel)
Bmikr
Davcre
Gybcmu
Oynes the Jumpy
Reklin the Bold
09) ``Ymug Tribe (Center East)
Alok ? (big guy)
Plugh the Prophet (the chick)
*Sandra ? (lancer)
Ymug the Confident (leader)
Zekep the Engineer (smart guy)
10) ``Jigib Tribe (Crystal City Melian)
Amnyt the Entertaining
Crnig the Adaptive
Gfankeh the Spiritual Expert
Jigib the Quick Learner (leader)
Shruk the Inquisitive
11) ``Azri Tribe (River's End)
*Azri
Nageg
Omdar the Bored
Yarim
*Ywne
01) ``Gulik Tribe (Vade)
Dolro the Obvious (tag-along)
Elrad the Curious (smart guy)
Gulik the Leader (leader)
Lynm the Kind (the chick)
Qwerth the Wise (lancer)
Jast the Guardian (big guy)
02) ``Kwergin Tribe (Dragon's Talon)
*Kimdyn
*Kwergin
Rekik
Tumnu
*Xfandr
03) ``Kapslo Tribe (south point)
Cecnox
Kapslo the Clever
Nagmeh
Nilik the Musical
Smaljast
04) ``Piaz Tribe (river center)
Beyw
Hemeg
*Nywsyam
Piaz the Quick
Tefshi
05) ``Kehcpank Tribe (tieflings)
Csymzycd ? (lancer)
Duuvnyt the Seeker (smart guy)
Hikik ? (the chick)
Kehcpank the One Who Tried To Pet A Bear (leader)
*Ylteh ? (big guy)
06) ``Ginsberg Tribe (World's Dawn)
Ginsberg the Loud
Kimeg the One At The Back
Sisryq
Toofrad
*Wryh
07) ``Gultar Tribe (Tree City Liliranea)
Carl the Diligent (recorder)
Cyhtny the Diplomatic (speaker)
Gultar the Calm (leader)
Razmael the Sure of Himself (guardian)
Regeg the Quiet (guardian)
08) ``Reklin Tribe (Axel)
Bmikr
Davcre
Gybcmu
Oynes the Jumpy
Reklin the Bold
09) ``Ymug Tribe (Center East)
Alok ? (big guy)
Plugh the Prophet (the chick)
*Sandra ? (lancer)
Ymug the Confident (leader)
Zekep the Engineer (smart guy)
10) ``Jigib Tribe (Crystal City Melian)
Amnyt the Entertaining
Crnig the Adaptive
Gfankeh the Spiritual Expert
Jigib the Quick Learner (leader)
Shruk the Inquisitive
11) ``Azri Tribe (River's End)
*Azri
Nageg
Omdar the Bored
Yarim
*Ywne
Kim-da'yn
Kwer-gin
Yel-teh
San-dra
Az-ri
With Xfandr, Nywsyam, Wryh, and Ywne you have a minor point, though I know how I'd say them:
Za-fan-der
N-wi-sa-yam
Wy-rh (similar to Wier and Whir, but more H at the end)
Wyne (like the end of Gwynne)
EDIT:
And since I'm bored, here's an initial population count of Yamala broken down by species:
30 Tieflings
17 Lycans
12 Elves
4 Halflings
14 Humans
220 Myconids
The offer to send Tieflings to the new Myconid nation is basically an offer for you to hand over some Tieflings for me to control and let grow in my territory (something like 50 to 100). If your batch should somehow be destroyed then I can help you start another elsewhere (probably on a new continent).
*cough cough* Brave New World on Pravus' Lost *cough cough*
Using layers makes it much much easier to edit the image. I can, for example, toggle off all the names of everything and export that version, without harming the master copy at all. I can also turn off cities and have a purely geographic map, or i could turn off the forest/grassland/swamps and then fill in a territory map. I could have a layer just to visualize the general location of spires.
Long story short, I was placing and naming things and I discovered that quite a few things that mortals really would name simply as they go about their life are entirely lacking in names. Players with mortrals closer to these things get first pick so that the names hopefully match the style of names that that race uses.
EDIT: Sina, I think I've said this before, but Defluo's a great god and a lot of fun. I really like your treatment of his different aspects and personality.
To be more direct: the labels are all river names. I assume that the river valleys are just named after the rivers that go through them though.
1-PP for Lokathor.
Since he posted only a few times and has ignored my PM's attempting to contact him as to his intentions, I'm declaring Shinikama's god abandoned. if somebody else would like to step in as the godling, feel free to PM me about the position.
Additionally, if anyone else would like to join the game at all, feel free to PM me.
Let's be sure to fill in that wiki folks!
If you don't know how to use wiki formatting, post what you want in the OOC thread and tell me what page it should go under, and I can put it up with formatting in my spare time.
Looks like I've got quite the chunk to read.
The water in the gate bulged outward, shot through with strange blues and greens. A glimmer of bronze appeared, like a flash of quicksilver, then vanished.
Villager: "Stargate?"
O'Neill: "Yeah... big round thing, has a circle inside of it, spins around, lights light up, big noise, then light shoots out the front and it kinda goes... kawoosh. Never heard of it?"
But seriously Angel, nourishes or not, you can't just have 100k troops of any level wander around for free. You probably can't even have 100k troops being directed around for just 2pp. 100k is a boatload of troops man.
Stargate: Actually I've never seen the show. Please don't revoke my nerd credentials. :P
But on the issue of numbers, I mean, we've been using much smaller numbers in general, and there's the Conservation of Ninjutsu to consider as well.
WW1 numbers were high because everyone had relatively bad guns. If your illithids have sharp sticks they can have 100k guys. If they're all paragon level and decked out in Mithril (which actually doesn't have a very good game effect in 4e I might add) then that's way too many guys to direct around for 0pp. I nourished the area for 1 and FF6 and I mostly agreed that ~5-10 Guardians along with it was fair, so I gave him 6.
.........then again, if this is leading up to the... event we discussed, then I withdraw all complaints and instead will quickly direct all my black dragons to counter what is clearly a gross misuse of metal by mortals.
Don't forget that the illithids are being attacked from two sides. You'll need to say something about that our watch the sahuagin forces overwhelm your western sea borders.
Battle of Tours: 20,000-30,000 on the Frankish side, 80,000ish on the Caliphate side (and about 1,500 and 12,000 casualties, respectively)
Battle of Agincourt: 5,900 English, 20,000-30,000 French (and 112 and 7,000-10,000 killed, respectively).
A large empire might be able to field 100,000+ troops. Maybe. But I think generally armies would be a bit smaller.
If you want battles in fantasy WW1 may actually be a better source to look at as far as tech, but with reduced numbers and generals willing to try something new. So... WW2 with swords and magic. Really there is little comparison between Locke's rogue squadron or the Empyrean Air Ships to any modern tech outside of the navy. Think Sky Navy and you're close.
Fantastic combat is wierd...
I'm going to earmark my remaining PP assuming I dson't use them tonite.
1PP For an attack
1PP For a Nourish Populace
That should cover my bases.
After the 20th I should be back to a fairly consistent schedule.
You'll see as soon as we get PP.
Also, I just lost the game. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Game_(mind_game) for those who don't know.
To everyone else- I gotta go now, I'll get to your objections in the morning.
Battle of Agincourt had a lot more to do with luck than pwnage. The English set themselves in the right place and the French literally impaled themselves on British pikes. That battle was a Strategic nightmare, but a tactical miracle.
I don't know if I'd call that luck. The English Longbows rained pointy death down on the French from quite a distance while the French crossbowmen failed to even reach the English line. While that didn't win the battle right there, the fact that the French knights were able to drown in a few inches of standing water after being knocked off their horses by the English archers is no small matter either.
Every time I saw that in a movie or anime, I thought to myself, "No way it works like that, bows hold their shape when you release the arrow, they'd stay being curved towards the archer," but no, that is how it works in Japan. Crazy Japan.
Also note that you flat out cannot describe a sequence of destroying an epic level creature in under 6 seconds flat without some sort of explanation as to how. Those type of actions cost PP.
Onto the war on the northern front. The sahuagin have two exarchs and an artifact powering their forces along with adamantium and enchantments as well. You also said yourself that a large portion of your army is skum and what not. At the best of situation for the illithid forces you could hope for a stalemate. Right now I would think the Sahuagin have the advantage as the two exarchs provide more opportunities to attack the lone exarch in your forces. The northern force also has something like 12 krakens assisting them that are epic level.
So far for the western front you have given nothing to indicate any sort of defense besides that post where you claim to somehow obliterate the epic level forces there. Fix this and be warned that if this continues then you will be docked PP in the future.
I'm actually kinda scared, I NEVER fall this far behind.
Anyway... I'll miss Malbrig... Well T'k will miss him. Not much difference there. He was helpful at lightening the mood.
Considering how much I have to read... I'm going to be doing it in shifts. I'm on Yahoo today if anyone needs to speak.
Edit: Sina... You should create a shorthand for the Defluos so that you don't have to write them ALL out every time.
Lokathor- I'll miss you, Malbrig was an awesome god.
Name: Kalosh
Domain: Corruption
Alignment: Evil
Physical Appearance: A tattered and stained robe filled with a noxious, cloying yellow gas.
Symbol: A smear of yellow across a solid black field.
First an address to the LoC Wiki:
Lords of Creation: Galara Wiki
This can provide you with general information that will help you to get acquainted with the story thus far.
Be sure to use proper grammar and no internet slang or usage please. Also remember that this is a storytelling atmosphere in the forums. Thus post are to be open ended when involving other gods or when another god could act. For example don't flat out dictate the outcome of a conflict. You should say something along the lines of swinging with all his might he aimed for a killing blow. Most things are to be handled ahead of time in the OOC especially if a disagreement occurs.
The Admins are myself and Shadow. Should you have any questions ask us. You are a godling starting in the world and as such you are allotted 4 PP upon your creation. As your influence and investment into Galara grows so too will your power points per week.
Edit- Also note that starting alignment for all new gods is unaligned until actions have proven so. Though for your domain that shouldn't take too long. ;)
Welcome to the Lords of Creation, Mindshred. I approve your god but bear in mind that corruption should stick more to the mental aspect than the physical aspect of decay. This is because another god already claimed the decay domain.
Duly noted.
Be sure to use proper grammar and no internet slang or usage please. Also remember that this is a storytelling atmosphere in the forums. Thus post are to be open ended when involving other gods or when another god could act. For example don't flat out dictate the outcome of a conflict. You should say something along the lines of swinging with all his might he aimed for a killing blow. Most things are to be handled ahead of time in the OOC especially if a disagreement occurs.
The Admins are myself and Shadow. Should you have any questions ask us. You are a godling starting in the world and as such you are allotted 4 PP upon your creation. As your influence and investment into Galara grows so too will your power points per week.
Edit- Also note that starting alignment for all new gods is unaligned until actions have proven so. Though for your domain that shouldn't take too long. ;)
Sounds good! I'm looking forward to playing.
Congratulations on being the first god to unnerve Poison Defluo, Kalosh.
And curse you for me having to work on new plans... I'd wouldn't want to step on the new guys toes so soon with my old ones.
PS: I'll likely PM from time to time with ideas while we're interacting, since I've no other means to reach you. You've been warned. ;P
Yay me. I was the first one to meet the new god. Maybe it's because he was quite the parrot, but I think he reminds poison of himself... And he doesn't know how he feels about that.
Congratulations on being the first god to unnerve Poison Defluo, Kalosh.
Huzzah!
It was amusing watching the two interact. :D
PS: I'll likely PM from time to time with ideas while we're interacting, since I've no other means to reach you. You've been warned. ;P
Sounds like plan!
As a side note, I'll add a "god page" to the Wiki for you soon. Be sure to visit and make any changes you wish. And take a look at the locations section of the wiki, if you need an idea of what is where.
*learns how to use wikia*
+1PP for Teach Actions to each of the following gods: Gadabout, Tzu'misel, Ra'Ver-Alec, and Khavus Rein. Other gods (like Thrael'Kriss, Bael, etc) have the possibility of gaining access to this bonus, but that requires that the WanderWay grows into their areas and the cultures there use it. To note, this PP can only be used for cultures along the WanderWay. To provide an example, the Shadar-Kai on Galara could benefit from it, but not the Shadar Kai in the Astral Sea (assuming there are still some there... I'm not sure).
+1pp to Populous Actions (for Gadabout only)
+1 square movement for Mortals
Information Sharing: The WanderWay helps spread information. After a significant portion of time, "teach" actions applied to one people group along the WanderWay will spread to other cultures for free.
For those curious, here is the admin-approved specs of the new and improved WanderWay (new ability first, old abilities second)
+1PP for Teach Actions to each of the following gods: Gadabout, Tzu'misel, Ra'Ver-Alec, and Khavus Rein. Other gods (like Thrael'Kriss, Bael, etc) have the possibility of gaining access to this bonus, but that requires that the WanderWay grows into their areas and the cultures there use it. To note, this PP can only be used for cultures along the WanderWay. To provide an example, the Shadar-Kai on Galara could benefit from it, but not the Shadar Kai in the Astral Sea (assuming there are still some there... I'm not sure).
+1pp to Populous Actions (for Gadabout only)
+1 square movement for Mortals
Information Sharing: The WanderWay helps spread information. After a significant portion of time, "teach" actions applied to one people group along the WanderWay will spread to other cultures for free.
I also want to point out any teach action that uses the wanderway is subject to cultural diffusion through the wanderway.
Edit: Tzu what do you mean the tieflings can't get through the siege. They have 100k allies from the dreamer, six shambling guards, demon summoning techniques which because demons don't die they can just re-summon them and an exarxch.
Visa-versa, if a road becomes abandoned, the WanderWay there will die out.
I hadn't given too much thought to who would officially say if the WanderWay has grown enough in an area to grant a god access. I suppose that would either be an admin or myself.
And each god who has access to the wanderway gets +1 pp to teach actions per turn (remember, it takes a turn for an artifact to start producing, so the soonest anyone can use it is Sunday night). So next monday Khavus could use it, then Gadabout on Wednesday, and ol Tzu/Lucis could use it on Christmas. And so on. One of the reasons why it is only a Teach action, rather than a general Populous action; it puts a lot of PP out there, but limits it a little.
Level 7 Lurker
Tiny immortal humanoid (devil) XP 600
Initiative +12 Senses Perception +12; darkvision
HP 63; Bloodied 31
AC 20; Fortitude 17, Reflex 20, Will 19
Resist 15 fire
Speed 4, fly 7 (hover)
m Razor (standard; at-will)
+12 vs. AC; 1d4 + 5 damage.
m Tail Sting (standard; at-will) ✦ Poison
+12 vs. AC; 1d8 + 5 damage, and the imp makes a secondary attack against the same target. Secondary Attack: +10 vs. Fortitude; the target takes ongoing 5 poison damage and is slowed (save ends both). First Failed Saving Throw: The target is immobilized instead of slowed (save ends). Second Failed Saving Throw: The target falls asleep for 1 hour or until woken. Poison damage from this attack does not wake a sleeping creature.
Vanish (standard; at-will) ✦ Illusion
The imp becomes invisible until the end of its next turn or until it attacks.
Quick Escape (immediate reaction, when first bloodied; encounter)
The imp uses vanish as an immediate reaction.
Bleed the Helpless
When the assassin imp attacks a sleeping or helpless target, its razor attack deals +2d6 damage and ongoing 5 damage (save ends).
Alignment Evil Languages Common, Supernal
Skills Bluff +9, Perception +12, Stealth +13
Str 12 (+4) Dex 20 (+8) Wis 18 (+7)
Con 15 (+5) Int 14 (+5) Cha 12 (+4)
Assassin Imp Murder Lord Level 13 Lurker
Tiny immortal humanoid (devil) XP 1,600
Initiative +16 Senses Perception +16; darkvision
HP 102 Bloodied 51
AC 26; Fortitude 24, Reflex 26, Will 25
Resist 20 fire
Speed 4, fly 7 (hover)
m Razor (standard; at-will)
+18 vs. AC; 2d4 + 6 damage.
M Tail Sting (standard; at-will) ✦ Poison
+18 vs. AC; 1d8 + 6 damage, and the imp makes a secondary attack against the same target. Secondary Attack: +10 vs. Fortitude; ongoing 10 poison damage, and the target is slowed (save ends both). First Failed Saving Throw: The target is immobilized instead of slowed (save ends). Second Failed Saving Throw: The target falls asleep for 1 hour or until woken. Poison damage from this attack does not wake a sleeping creature.
Cut and Run (free; at-will) ✦ Teleport
When the imp attacks from invisibility and hits, it can teleport 6 squares as a free action.
Fade Away (standard; at-will) ✦ Illusion
The imp becomes invisible, and it gains the insubstantial and phasing qualities until the end of its next turn or until it attacks.
Quick Escape (immediate reaction, when first bloodied; encounter)
The imp uses fade away.
Bleed the Helpless
When the assassin imp attacks a sleeping or helpless target, its razor attack deals +2d6 damage and ongoing 10 damage (save ends).
Alignment Evil Languages Common, Supernal
Skills Bluff +13, Perception +16, Stealth +17
Str 15 (+8) Dex 23 (+12) Wis 21 (+11)
Con 18 (+10) Int 15 (+8) Cha 15 (+8)
Do we need to spend pp to get the wander way to grow or to we just say it does? also can only one person use it per turn.
Edit: Tzu what do you mean the tieflings can't get through the siege. They have 100k allies from the dreamer, six shambling guards, demon summoning techniques which because demons don't die they can just re-summon them and an exarxch.
Let me handle those one at a time
100k allies - First, check his post. Post 3284. He sent 100 illithids, not 100 thousand. Though I missed the Mad Dwarf being sent. However, none of this matters, becuase Locke stated that he had to teach the rituals to craft gates. So you have 0 Illithids and no mad dwarf.
Six Shambling Guardians - These were given by Malbrig as long as you maintained peace. My efreet were talking with you when you attacked. Seeing as how this violates the tiefling agreement with the myconids, I doubt you'll have any help from the guardians. However, should Locke of Lokathor say otherwise, I admit they are a factor, but 6 epic creatures vs. a large war party of roughly equivalent creatures does not break a seige.
Summoning Demons takes time and, as rituals, components and/or residuum. Both will become rarer and rarer for your people while the siege holds. Second, Seeing as how the Bearded Devils are pathetically weak compared to the efreet that are attacking, they serve as a minor deterent at best. However, I took them into account by not simply overrunning your walls, laying siege instead.
As for Ibiza, you had him hide among the tieflings working on a gate that doesn't exist or, if it does exist, doesn't function yet. Until you have him flare back up and start attacking the efreet again, he is negligable as he hides among them. However, knowing he exists is a part of why I can't simply declare victory. Between knowing he is there, and you having a slightly stronger defense than before (bearded devils) I've no right to conquer without effort. But you are losing right now.
On an unrelatred note, your imps are going to fail horribly at the assassinating efreet leaders. There is no way they can kill the efreet leaders. At best, they might be able to take down the ill, the young, and the eldery, and that would be a stretch.
However, I do like them and may use them in my own campaign. An interesting creature.
Edit: I spoke with Lokathor. He said that I'm right, the Guardians will not aid you since you instigated the attack while the efreet were meeting with you.
More importantly, people who don't know how to get wikia to work for them can still send me text that I'll give markup to and put in the wiki for them. The "price" for this service is that I will take the time to explain to you what I did each time so that you might learn for yourself. I'm probably also still going to be working on the map for at least a while.
Edit: the summoning I taught wasn't just daemon summoning it was summoning in general. You can summon creatures native to the plane your on but they must be willing. Also the efreet, which types did you make?
As for the summoning, it is clearly a ritual unless you are teaching it as a class. If it's a class, it doesn't do them any good. If it's a ritual, it's residuum and components based.
If your trying to give them the ability to summon stuff for free, it is beyond a simple Teach Action.
As for being able to summon anything, fine. The efreet are still strong enough to hold their own against almost anything you could summon.
As a ritual, summoning more powerful stuff would be more expensive, meaning you can summon less.
If it's a class, then more powerful summons would be high level, something the tieflings are not.
If it's something else, you need to explain it so it can be properly gauged in game.
The point is, a single Teach Action is not going to let you hold of something so much more powerful than the tieflings
The gate may or may not exist. Angelofthenight has not stated whether he still intends to teach the necessary knowledge to make it work or not. As such, until he makes a decision, it remains being built, but not activated.
Either way, your last order to your exarch was not defend your people. It was to guard something in the middle of town. If you want him to defend the people, all you have to do is post it. Do so, and I'm sure he can try and break the seige.
As for the demand, that is all it was. I had not made any attempt to enforce it, and it is simply chalked up to the efreet not being familiar with diplomacy. Had you tried to talked, you could have likely got better results. You were not defending from an attack, because I hadn't initiated the attack.
How do you suggest a level 13 creature is going to kill an epic creature, who no doubt has guards?
Finally, how are you sending half your population to the frozen northern land? Your city is surrouned and under siege.
Funk, as a fair warning, Orta's not too happy about being tricked ;)
The classically evil concepts tend to set him off. Then again there are a few "good" concepts that can set him off as well.
Also, ff6, when I read "Flamelord Jarack" I at first thought you'd written "Candle Jack", but then I realized that you couldn't have possibly written that or els-
Mindshred, sorry Gadabout hasn't been able to interact with your god yet. Just wanted to let you know that I'm not trying to ignore you; Kalosh hasn't made ... ... His? Her? Its? ... presence known enough in the world for him to recognize you as a new god.
No problem! Kalosh is still keeping a bit of a low profile, so it's to be expected.
He? She? It? They? You's? Y'all? etc
Out of curiosity, how should one refer to Kalosh?
He? She? It? They? You's? Y'all? etc
Any of the above would work.
Finally, how are you sending half your population to the frozen northern land? Your city is surrouned and under siege.
I meant to say i had Ibza send them.
I didn't make any type of efreet, TK did. Every type exists
When'd he do that?
As for the summoning, it is clearly a ritual unless you are teaching it as a class. If it's a class, it doesn't do them any good. If it's a ritual, it's residuum and components based.
It's a ritual but has no set cost, to summon something you sacrifice something the more valuable (to you) the sacrifice the more powerful the summon. Example: Really poor person with nothing but a house, he sacrifices it he could summon something really powerful but if a rich person does the same he will summon something less powerful because he has more stuff. Also even if it only has sentimental value it still counts. For instance a picture of your dead wife who you loved very much is valuable.
How do you suggest a level 13 creature is going to kill an epic creature, who no doubt has guards?
Hopefully while he sleeps.:D Also this is the best one so he'd be an elite or something.
Funk, seriously, just use shape land (minor) to break off your piece of land and float it 20 miles out to sea. Boom, no more siege. It'd mess up my map, but ah well.
I don't have any pp left. Also since Angel used the room first I withdrew my post about the bearded devils. I posted before because I thought 2 gods could use it in the same turn.
It was a VERY long time ago.
You can just search Create Populace in the IC. They're in there somewhere. They were a gift to Khadesh.
http://forums.gleemax.com/showpost.php?p=16901386&postcount=519
Basically, Space Dragon and Delfedd allows 3 PP - Create Efreet to do them all. Same for Angels.
After Locke took over, he changed it so that you have to create each type of the creature individually.
I don't have any pp left. Also since Angel used the room first I withdrew my post about the bearded devils. I posted before because I thought 2 gods could use it in the same turn.
If you didn't make bearded devils, you should have ended up with some PP when that action was undone. Where did that go? It only take 1pp to Shape Minor.
Goblinoids required separate alterations after the first due to being fundamentally different in certain aspects. Once created though they get their class templates as indicated in the MM. As a race they still need to be taught the player classes to utilize them, such as fighters and clerics.
Devils and Demons are so completely diverse that they have several differences and pages in the MM. Altering a previous Demon or Devil is taking the essence of what being a demon or devil is and altering it into a new form.
As for the rituals of summoning you still need some residiuum to open/part the planar boundaries. Just because you summon the creature does not mean it will listen to you. Sometimes there is an additional cost like the one Funk mentioned where the summoner must give up something dear to them.
As for the rituals of summoning you still need some residiuum to open/part the planar boundaries. Just because you summon the creature does not mean it will listen to you. Sometimes there is an additional cost like the one Funk mentioned where the summoner must give up something dear to them.
Do you need residiuum or could the power of the sacrifice be what opens and binds the summoned creature?
If you didn't make bearded devils, you should have ended up with some PP when that action was undone. Where did that go? It only take 1pp to Shape Minor.
I used it to make assasin imps.
Since Tzu'misel didn't exist when it was created, I couldn't say that outright, but it is true.
As a bit of a head's up, I have no idea how much time I'll have over the next two weeks for the game. I'll try to at least keep up with anyone directly interacting with Gadabout, halflings, or one of my mortals (and thus, I'll be continuing any interactions that are currently ongoing) but reacting to other stuff is more questionable, especially if the game really gets hopping during this time.
Hope everyone has a good winter vacation and Happy ChrisHanaKawanzaFestivuWinterSolstice.
I need to find a suitably bloody thing to unleash on the poor unsuspecting mortals.
Fortunately I'm impartial... So Sha'thrina will get a new killer same as Galara.
Any ideas as to what to unleash?
Recompense! I oh you know such thing. That soul was part imp and belonged as much to me as it did to you.
I think you meant: "I owe you no such thing."
Not that I'm saying "no tarrasque" I'm just wondering what other possibilities there are. DnD Godzilla is great, but there have got to be other possibilities.
Anyway... Mriswith.
I suppose non-aberrant Swordwings may do it... Other ideas?
Bael then went to investigate a new divined.I am Bael lord of chaos. Who are you.
(Kalosh when will you respond?)
Just as an FYI, if I miss something like this, it's probably because I didn't realize that I was the one being spoken to. Between all the mortal stuff going on, inferring who is being spoken to is sometimes difficult without proper names.
On a more inquisitive note: Isn't Bael all locked up in his own plane? Can he still bop down to the mortal realms to say hello?
Bael managed to free himself a turn or two ago. Lucis forced him back in, but he's not sealed in any way now.
Ahh, okay.
Was the new continent dropped on the Illithids?
Yes. Yes it was.
yes.
Argentum Oculus is a satellite.
The moon is earth's Satellite.
Saturn has 48 confirmed and named Satellites, and 60 total.
Moons = Satellites. Thank you. :P
OK I just want to kill some more stuff. Is that so wrong?
and (In keeping with the childish spirit of the holidays:) It's a fishy!
Happy Festivus all, if I don't return...
If it's really that big we have some tidal waves to avert... and some continent to drain...
Yeah, really. >.>
Cause of all the reading i had to catch up, plus all the schoolwork i had, i lost interest to continue posting for the last 2-3 weeks.
However I'm fine now, and want to continue back from where i left. i'm just gonna start posting and find out ingame what happened while myxiniron was gone, rather then first read everything that happened.
The only thing i assume is that everything Myxiniron made is more or less still there
If not, let me know ;)
I'm still vaguely following along IC (mostly just watching to see how PP is spent), and I'm posting in OOC on occasion as is currently obvious.
Oh, and you have as much access as you care to have with the following domains (a parting gift I gave to everyone): Agriculture, Metal, Tranquility.
ANd yeah, pretty direct hit. I doubt all three scourges remain intact. Not to mention any significant number of Scylla.
For reference... You're empire got flattened by a continent and that continent subsequently inhabited and nourished. But you can fight it out with ff6.
Edit- Just to make a ruling right now the sahuagin and kraken army forces are too far away to block the illithids attacking the new continent. The illithids will literally swarm that continent on the outside before any other army can get there. The central areas of the new continent will be able to hold out/hide until the sahuagin and kraken arrive. The nourishes have been for fertility in that continent which will provide the illithids with plenty of slaves if they do what the goblins and efreet do.
To be clear on what happened with the illithids and the continent. Their central empire has been destroyed with damage inflicted to the scourges. This means the scourges are operating without supply lines or reinforcements. The continent so far has no defenders so they are sitting ducks to the illithids. Based on the placement of the continent on the map I am also ruling that the Deep still exists but is heavily damaged with most if not all of the populations dead. This means that the western portion of the illithid empire is still there. They are just a bit battered and devastated from the dropping of a continent right near them.
Even the mightiest kraken or dragon, and the largest of airships would have extreme difficulty making it through without being obliterated.
The effect begins about 5 miles from the shore and exgtends for probably 20-25 miles beyond that point. In order to stop the effect, the orb power source must be removed from the pinnacle of the tower.
Also, this is an example of why you shouldn't take over reaching posts, Angel. Sure, your guys can head towards the continent, but others get a chance to respond, especially when my god is literally floating in the sky above the area. A few might be able to make it through the artifact, but no large amounts.
Locke, if you'd rather maintain the schedule, I'm perfectly capable of refreshing tommorrow night. No need to rush it.
So it isn't all up (as opposed to other artifacts).
Anyways, I started a slightly unplanned 3.5 game today. That is, I planned to start it, but not to be woken up suddenly with the explanation "Brett said you're running DnD today, what books can we use to make our characters?". I mention this all because I ended up using our setting as the setting for the game. ((Books: Magic Item Compendium, Expanded Psi Handbook, Warlock (but nothing else from CA), Tome of Battle, Player's handbook))
They were a group of humans in a town moderately east of Axel, towards Yamala. Matt, you might be interested to know that it happened such that they went to one of your temples when they needed healing. I, of course, fully described the large main room that was more than half filled with fire, and the equally large basement that was more than half filled with ice and snow (with kids throwing snowballs!). Who would have guessed that the temples of Khavus make a fine profit selling iced tequila? Though, mostly it just covers the costs of having a room filled with fire all the time.
I was able to use a diverse selection of low level stat blocks (kobolds, lizardfolk, zombies, etc) in the same series of fights by simply adapting them to be a few different kinds of lycans (bear and boar mostly) and mixing in some humans and elves. When they asked about what languages people spoke in the region I was able to quickly name Common, Elf, Undead, Aventi, and Illithid off the top of my head. I was also able to explain why Dwarf and Orc were both cultures that were far away and unlikely to be languages in high demand. It took me a minute or two to remember the Emperyians though. I should maybe add that, despite FF6 explaining it to me a few times, I still was only able to really say "fish people; like zora" and "bird people" when questioned about the new races. Other than that I was able to really come off as an expert on the whole thing. Try it out with your friends.
More to come on tuesday when I run next. Any adventure ideas from you folks? Assuming that the game is set in the slight future (maybe 10 years); when the elf nation has managed to calm down and rebuild a bit after that whole kracken thing... blew over.
If I come up with any ideas for an adventure, I'll let you know. There is the Cult of Orta that is getting uppity in the land and it has the intent of resurrecting their "demi-god" who cares and loves for mortals
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Maybe that would be useful.
Remember that there are plenty of un-bonded Lycans that are running loose. And their culture says you're all fair prey. Not only that but they may be un-bonded for a... fondness... for riches and murder.
Empyreans could be the bird-folk from Races of the Wild. Aventi could be Sea-elves.
Additionally... Fury Sorcerors could be either Warmages or the Battle Sorceror variant from Unearthed Arcana (possibly stacked with Metamagig Specialist). If your players are interested in them.
Yes. Kalosh has 4 PP.
Huzzah! Just what I needed to go rooting around in the minds of some mortals.
Assuming other deities don't mess around with the humans (these ones really didn't seem to be doing a whole lot), the chaos along the eastern coast should continue for awhile.
I really don't have a final 'victor' in mind for the humans, but anyone wanting to describe a possible human rising to power is more than welcome to do so. Otherwise I'll take care of it a bit further down the road.
Longer description of what went on
So the 3.5 excursion is because I was working with my friend Greg. The plan, as I told it to Greg, was "We can fix 3.5, I know we can!"; The result is currently termed Chimera, because we'll be grafting and reworking all kinds of game mechanics. As we were going it came up that the main change for PC classes was to give out more "encounter" and "at-will" type abilities, along with a way to recover your encounter powers (here renamed to just "limited" powers, since you regularly get them more than once per encounter). I've another friend who never played much 3e named Brett (went from 2e to 4e). He said that power recovery seemed too complicated to him, compared to 4e's version of power management. I pointed to Tome of Battle's rockingness but he said he'd never used it. I took it upon myself to fix that, because I knew no one else would. Thus, this campaign was born.
That explanation out of the way, here's the player list, all level 1:
Jason: Human Fighter (Some kind of Polearm and Improved Trip thing).
Jade: Human Kineticist.
Brett: Human Warblade (Bastard Sword and Shield).
Greg: Human Crusader (I think Longsword+Shield).
``Charlie: Human Wilder
``William: Human Warlock (Arcane Spear type)
((The ones with marks are the ones who didn't play last time but will probably join on tuesday))
Lacking an actual healer, I decided that they'd heal up to half+1hp all on their own after a fight, at about 1hp/minute. It's like having an NPC Dragon Shaman with a much slower Aura of Vigor, so it's fair. The story explanation is that they're "heroes" and all so the spires focus their naturally fast heroy healing into being extra fast.
So, the players showed up with a bottle of spiced rum. Often enough, about half our players are drunk. I don't really do "serious stuff", they don't really do serious (at least while drunk), and so it works out. I sat and hmmed a bit once everyone was ready, "Brett didn't tell me we were playing today... so let me think of something.." and we were all quiet for a moment. Using LoC seemed like a natural thing to do, so I placed them in Axel... then decided that they were a bit east of Axel, in a moderately far off municipality. "I dunno, what do you guys do? You're probably in a city of some kind."
The following conversation snippets are all approximations based on what I can recall.
Jade looked at the bottle of spiced rum on the table, "Is there a bar selling illegal spiced rum? We could probably make money if we stole that."
Brett: Yeah, probably some kind of underground thing
Me: Okay, how do you want to go about it?
Jason: We should probably go to a bar.
Jade: Yeah, a shady bar.
Brett: We'll go to The Manhole
Jason: I am not going to a bar named The Manhole.
Me: Sure you are. It's an underground bar. Literally. It's in the sewers, that's where the name comes from.
They went inside, offered to buy some, watched people going in and out. On the day the rum was supposed to be delivered, the kineticist had his psicrystal follow the deliverers back through the sewer to the actual rum house. They went and attacked, making their way in the front door. They killed the Lizardfolk "bear lycans", and then the zombie "boar lycans" with kobold "elf" backup. The crusader was downed and he was only back up to "half minus 3" hitpoints before a Dretch (who was portrayed as being an actual dretch) came out. After a failed charge it clawed the psion twice for 11 total damage (psion had 13hp). However, right after that in a quite dramatic moment, the warblade moved to flank the dretch and hit it for 15, halving its 20hp in a single blow (after the dr5). The dretch turned to full attack him:
Me: So what's your AC brett?
Brett: With punishing stance on it's only 16.
Me: And he's at +4 to hit, you might be boned.
Brett: I've got 3hp, I'm totally safe.
Me: *roll, roll, roll* ...Well brett... I don't believe it...
Brett: I did!?
Me: Yeah, you did; he missed all 3 times, you've managed to dodge everything.
We all thought it was cool. The dretch went down after a bit more, but by then the long corridor to the next area was filled with 6 archer guys so they retreated.
They went to the temple of Khavus to get healed quickly and came back to have another go at it. When they started spending PP again we all just decided that a day had passed instead of just an hour, and so the defenders became "elite elves" (AC18, 11hp, and +4/1d8 bows). Highlights include a crit againt the psion for a whopping 7 damage, followed immediately by the other elf shooting the crusader for a normal hit that did 7 damage. In the end, they killed 1 out of 3 in the elf group before the elves manged to knock out the Psion and retreat. The warblade was also at 1hp by that time so the PCs retreated as well.
The night ended with them back at the temple of Khavus, but one of the downed elves had a wand that I made into a CLW wand (10 charge), so they didn't have to pay for healing the 2nd time. They figured they might give up on going after the spiced rum, but they weren't sure.
So the 3.5 excursion is because I was working with my friend Greg. The plan, as I told it to Greg, was "We can fix 3.5, I know we can!"; The result is currently termed Chimera, because we'll be grafting and reworking all kinds of game mechanics. As we were going it came up that the main change for PC classes was to give out more "encounter" and "at-will" type abilities, along with a way to recover your encounter powers (here renamed to just "limited" powers, since you regularly get them more than once per encounter). I've another friend who never played much 3e named Brett (went from 2e to 4e). He said that power recovery seemed too complicated to him, compared to 4e's version of power management. I pointed to Tome of Battle's rockingness but he said he'd never used it. I took it upon myself to fix that, because I knew no one else would. Thus, this campaign was born.
That explanation out of the way, here's the player list, all level 1:
Jason: Human Fighter (Some kind of Polearm and Improved Trip thing).
Jade: Human Kineticist.
Brett: Human Warblade (Bastard Sword and Shield).
Greg: Human Crusader (I think Longsword+Shield).
``Charlie: Human Wilder
``William: Human Warlock (Arcane Spear type)
((The ones with marks are the ones who didn't play last time but will probably join on tuesday))
Lacking an actual healer, I decided that they'd heal up to half+1hp all on their own after a fight, at about 1hp/minute. It's like having an NPC Dragon Shaman with a much slower Aura of Vigor, so it's fair. The story explanation is that they're "heroes" and all so the spires focus their naturally fast heroy healing into being extra fast.
So, the players showed up with a bottle of spiced rum. Often enough, about half our players are drunk. I don't really do "serious stuff", they don't really do serious (at least while drunk), and so it works out. I sat and hmmed a bit once everyone was ready, "Brett didn't tell me we were playing today... so let me think of something.." and we were all quiet for a moment. Using LoC seemed like a natural thing to do, so I placed them in Axel... then decided that they were a bit east of Axel, in a moderately far off municipality. "I dunno, what do you guys do? You're probably in a city of some kind."
The following conversation snippets are all approximations based on what I can recall.
Jade looked at the bottle of spiced rum on the table, "Is there a bar selling illegal spiced rum? We could probably make money if we stole that."
Brett: Yeah, probably some kind of underground thing
Me: Okay, how do you want to go about it?
Jason: We should probably go to a bar.
Jade: Yeah, a shady bar.
Brett: We'll go to The Manhole
Jason: I am not going to a bar named The Manhole.
Me: Sure you are. It's an underground bar. Literally. It's in the sewers, that's where the name comes from.
They went inside, offered to buy some, watched people going in and out. On the day the rum was supposed to be delivered, the kineticist had his psicrystal follow the deliverers back through the sewer to the actual rum house. They went and attacked, making their way in the front door. They killed the Lizardfolk "bear lycans", and then the zombie "boar lycans" with kobold "elf" backup. The crusader was downed and he was only back up to "half minus 3" hitpoints before a Dretch (who was portrayed as being an actual dretch) came out. After a failed charge it clawed the psion twice for 11 total damage (psion had 13hp). However, right after that in a quite dramatic moment, the warblade moved to flank the dretch and hit it for 15, halving its 20hp in a single blow (after the dr5). The dretch turned to full attack him:
Me: So what's your AC brett?
Brett: With punishing stance on it's only 16.
Me: And he's at +4 to hit, you might be boned.
Brett: I've got 3hp, I'm totally safe.
Me: *roll, roll, roll* ...Well brett... I don't believe it...
Brett: I did!?
Me: Yeah, you did; he missed all 3 times, you've managed to dodge everything.
We all thought it was cool. The dretch went down after a bit more, but by then the long corridor to the next area was filled with 6 archer guys so they retreated.
They went to the temple of Khavus to get healed quickly and came back to have another go at it. When they started spending PP again we all just decided that a day had passed instead of just an hour, and so the defenders became "elite elves" (AC18, 11hp, and +4/1d8 bows). Highlights include a crit againt the psion for a whopping 7 damage, followed immediately by the other elf shooting the crusader for a normal hit that did 7 damage. In the end, they killed 1 out of 3 in the elf group before the elves manged to knock out the Psion and retreat. The warblade was also at 1hp by that time so the PCs retreated as well.
The night ended with them back at the temple of Khavus, but one of the downed elves had a wand that I made into a CLW wand (10 charge), so they didn't have to pay for healing the 2nd time. They figured they might give up on going after the spiced rum, but they weren't sure.
That might give them a shock!!
But sieriously, keep posting updates, I'm interested in hearing how this setting plays.
Pretty much asking anywhere will get you a response at some point.
Some people pst their idea as a precursor ro being accepted... I'm not admin, so I can't really say yes or no. If you want to ask if there's room go ahead, or you can just sit back and relax, ff6 should be oin later tonite with yay or nay.
Here's my god (well, GodS I guess technically, but they counts as one god soo..)
Name: Bosque and Borl
Domain: Strength
Alignment: Unaligned
Physical Appearance: Bosque and Borl appear as large powerful beings of any race, but they favor appearing as large physically powerful creatures. They often appear as Bugbears, Orcs, Hobgoblins, Trolls, or Giants.
Symbol: Two large animals locked in combat, one black and one white. Often it will be Boars or other such powerful creatures, but Deer or Rams are not unheard of.
Edit: So do I start off with PP, or should I just wait until the weekly PP allotment time? Also, should someone create my god, or does he just spring into being?
Edit2: And is creating a sort of "subrace" like Giants from Titans, does it still count as a standard "Create Populous" action?
Your god simply springs into existance. Turning a titan into a giant, for example, is an Alter Populace, costing 2 PP.
http://galara.wikia.com/wiki/Galara_Wiki
We do not have minotaurs.
We have a small local underdark, under the main continent, but not a world spanning one.
All non-Magical Natural Beasts
There's an Underdark, no minotaurs
Lycans, Elves, Half-Elves, Shifters, Sahuagin, Titans, Aventi (Custom), Empyreans (Custom), Efreet, Various demons and devils, Tieflings, Halflings, Bugbears, Goblins, Kitsune (Custom)
Hmmm... What else...
Upps... Well, I think I like my own origin story as it is though :p
Anyways, any time you have a question as to if something exists or not, feel free to ask. I'm sure somebody will answer shortly.
I'd like to open Halflings up to everyone. Feel free to use them as you see fit
OK... Maybe not... But maybe later when I have more PP floating unmarked.
Edit: Can our gods just walk around on the world, or are we barred from that?
Edit: Can our gods just walk around on the world, or are we barred from that?
You should be okay with wandering the world, as far as I can tell.
GoblinNation really needed an avatar to affect the battle in any meaningful way.
*ahem*
New Maps Everyone!
These maps approximate how the world looked about 5 seconds before the continent was dropped. They are primarily for historical purposes, or perhaps you might be struck with the urge to run a game set during "pre-drop" Galara.
Overworld (I think you've all seen everything marked before, colors are just touched up a bit)
Overworld, sans coastline (you might like it)
Here is a batch of deity influence maps:
Eckral, Gadabout, Khavus, Lazarus, Malbrig, Myx, Raver, Thael, Tzu
The first draft of these was created based off of Locke's maps and in consultation with ff6. The 2nd draft which you're seeing here has some modifications as I felt fit to match the few extra events which happened between when I talked with ff6 about territories and when he dropped the continent. They have not been "cleared" with Locke or anything like that and are not to be considered super official documents.
4pp gods didn't get their own maps:
Bael: Your mortal influence was equal to the area of Malbrig's influence around the Tiefling city. Also, If you could give me the name of that Tiefling city, that'd be grand.
Corruption: You had no influence pre-drop. Also, I'm not clear on where your brand new cult was made. Might I suggest the far western coast near Ellay?
Strength: You weren't around before the continent drop anyways. When you make new guys be sure to
Speaking of which, I'm not sure the new continent has been given a name. Sometime soon enough I'll be working on expanding the entire map so that the one "continent level" map has both continents on it (a mega-map, if you will).
Again, I'm vaguely watching the IC thread, but I mostly just scan to see what people are spending PP on. If a city gets knocked over or something else about the map changes please post about it here. I do read the OOC posts completely.
Mephistopheles: Don't worry about the land sharks... They can't fly. Just give the trolls and ogres wings and they'll be completely safe.
[Corruption: You had no influence pre-drop. Also, I'm not clear on where your brand new cult was made. Might I suggest the far western coast near Ellay?
My influence has been entirely along the eastern coast of the first continent, up to and including World's Dawn.
Anyway... Want me to rebuke him? *toothy grin*
Just pointing something out. There aren't any goblinoids in those mountains :D. They are on the far side of the continent. Not a big deal or anything, just pointing it out.
Edit: Thought, the wanderway's teach property is functional now, right?
I went to get some DM notes for running in Galara and discovered that we all have quite a bit of work to do. I was diligent with recording all my LOC stuff on my page, and I still didn't include the kinds of things that are helpful to a DM trying to run a game. We've got a great story, but the notes are well summarized for trying to get a feel for how to run a game with.
Also, for purposes of playing in a weekly DnD game you need a fairly stable setting. To accomplish this, I'm forking my own game into an offshoot Galara that won't keep up with new IC progress. This fork of Galara is formed between posts 3306 and 3307, then gets 10 years tacked onto it. I'm interested in writing a suitably cool story for how things shift around. That is, in this version, Lucis died and so never made the continent. Nothing too long, I expect the final result might be 5 typed pages long or so, once you account for the fact that it'll involve a fair bit of dialog, which always uses up vertical space.
So, I'd like some input from folks both for help on writing up both a cool mini story and also for, in general, how their followers might act (or even just people of the races you've created might act). Use things like TvTropes to sum up concepts if you like.
Below is my current note set on how I expect the arc to play out.
Shattered Galara
Opening Scorecard::
`Gadabout + Raver + Khavus are "Team Neutral", but perhaps recall that this is part of what ****** people off about Adahan in the first place. That personality type can cause as much trouble as it prevents.
`Lazarus, Bael, and Tzu are each out for themselves, but kinda pretending to help each other. Tzu is doing more pretending than the other two.
`Malbrig wants the mortals to last and to bring back his friend Tzu'Misel
`Thael is mostly unconcerned, but interested in honor
`Defluo is a lone-wolf type and I don't expect him to care about this part of the plot.
`Ongor, Myx, and Ueberroth are all permanently sleeping.
>Malbrig and Thael just failed to pull off a surprise attack. Malbrig became impatient and talked to Khavus and made the fire apples.
>While talking, he noticed the shiny new shield Khavus had, and learned that it could block a fight between Tzu and Lucis. This, along with new knowledge of Tzu'Misel being alive in some form gives him the idea to get Khavus, Thael, himself, and possibly Gadabout and Raver to work together to rejoin and rebalance the two factions before they destroy everything.
> ~~Many things here; this is the part that needs filling in~~
>A battle battered Malbrig stumbles to the Home Spot, tosses his trowel off to Gadabout, and dies.
Final Scorecard::
`Ongor, Myx, Ueberroth: Alive, but still sleeping.
`Malbrig, Lucis, Tzu: Dead and gone for sure.
`Gadabout, Khavus: Alive for sure.
`Bael, Raver, Thael, Lazarus, Eckral, Defluo: These can all go either way.
Opening Scorecard::
`Gadabout + Raver + Khavus are "Team Neutral", but perhaps recall that this is part of what ****** people off about Adahan in the first place. That personality type can cause as much trouble as it prevents.
`Lazarus, Bael, and Tzu are each out for themselves, but kinda pretending to help each other. Tzu is doing more pretending than the other two.
`Malbrig wants the mortals to last and to bring back his friend Tzu'Misel
`Thael is mostly unconcerned, but interested in honor
`Defluo is a lone-wolf type and I don't expect him to care about this part of the plot.
`Ongor, Myx, and Ueberroth are all permanently sleeping.
>Malbrig and Thael just failed to pull off a surprise attack. Malbrig became impatient and talked to Khavus and made the fire apples.
>While talking, he noticed the shiny new shield Khavus had, and learned that it could block a fight between Tzu and Lucis. This, along with new knowledge of Tzu'Misel being alive in some form gives him the idea to get Khavus, Thael, himself, and possibly Gadabout and Raver to work together to rejoin and rebalance the two factions before they destroy everything.
> ~~Many things here; this is the part that needs filling in~~
>A battle battered Malbrig stumbles to the Home Spot, tosses his trowel off to Gadabout, and dies.
Final Scorecard::
`Ongor, Myx, Ueberroth: Alive, but still sleeping.
`Malbrig, Lucis, Tzu: Dead and gone for sure.
`Gadabout, Khavus: Alive for sure.
`Bael, Raver, Thael, Lazarus, Eckral, Defluo: These can all go either way.
In this case, you acted as though you have an Avatar, interactng directly. Had you simply guided the mortal leaders to hold the rivalry, it would be a Guide Populace.
I'm going to remind GoblinNation of this as well, since he posted personally killing a few illithids. Though his interaction was relatively meaningless, it is still something to be avoided.
Yeah, wandering is fine. Interacting with mortals on a large scale requires an avatar or a Guide Populace.
GoblinNation really needed an avatar to affect the battle in any meaningful way.
I had conferred from this that my god could do lesser things like maybe ruling a small tribe, without the need to spend PP or make an avatar, but doing big things, like ruling a nation or swaying the minds of a large group or of important leaders, would require PP.
This is a really tough line to deal with. Honestly, all of us have over steped the bounds at least once or twice. It's all about the numbers of mortals affect by your actions.
I'm not trying to come down on you, just pointing out to be very careful with the overreaching effect of what yoou do. With "Even as more of the cruel races inhabiting the mountains flocked to their banners", this little clan rivalry is not just drawing on their own population, but those of every race nearby. And rather than being mortal invoked, it was divine provoked.
Edit: And the actual CONFLICT was more mortal provoked by the mortals(as in, the brothers got into an argument, and the clansmen started to dislike one another and fight) The brothers didn't tell them to fight, their arguing just made their followers angry at the other guy's followers. Of course, that might be the same thing in the end.
And I named the big gulf thingy by the great wall "The Sea of Eden."
Shadow, aye, the WanderWays teach function should be up and running for everyone mentioned. That means that the following gods get a free 1PP teach action to use along the wanderway (sorry, the new continent isn't effected yet):
Gadabout
Ra'Ver-Alec
Tzu'Misel
Khavus
and I think that is it, currently. My memory sucks. Most of TK's followers don't use it, which is why he doesn't have access (yet; the Rakshasa might earn it for him if they make use of it). Eckral's well on his way (his trade with the Efreets is just the sort that would help the WanderWay expand). Even though Gadabout doesn't like Bael right now, if the Tieflings expand he'd gain access. Myxiniron needs to be active for her to even be considered. The new gods are, well, new and don't have many people to use it. If I forgot someone, let me know.
Lokathor, as a side note, Gadabout's closer to Neutral Good than True Neutral. It wont surprise me if at times he opposes Team Neutral (he tried to warn Ra'Ver-Alec of this when he "joined" but... meh). He's also somewhat passive agressive to most other gods, so it is unlikely he'll pull an adahan (but if it gets him sealed in the Star Pact, he might go a tad crazy ;) ).
But yes! I dunno, our group has never been too fond of the small races in the first place (other than kobolds).
DMing time: Looks like Warblade, Crusader, Wilder, and Fighter showed up today.
The Exarch I just made is Tiamat. It's a Populace PP exarch, and is assumed lose in the world at the beginning of the next reset. Do as you will.
Though, what is the divine egg then?
I'm figuring It's going to wind up a PP producer for populace powers. Specifically the altering of dragons. Tiamat will claim it when she ventures into the world and it, coupled with her own PP production will give her enough PP to "explain" any new dragon creatures wizards produces after LOC draws to a close etc. Or I may just ask that it be Retconned out.
At any rate. If any of you feel like dragging Defluo out of obscurity, I figure same deal as Ongor. Post as him for yourself, I just request you remember that at the time every part of him but moon is absorbed within Poison and Dominated. Moon escaped because it was too far away to hear the call to rejoin. My Wiki entry explains all the personalities. PM me with questions.
For the record: FF6 owned part of the Moon domain because he gave me the PP I used to steal it from him. So it's not scavenging me if he creates a moon and takes up mantle of the domain. Defluo would not, and should not share any domains that are not shared already. He was getting paranoid that he was unimportant to the world over how much sharing he was doing already.
Anyways, we ended up not playing DnD. Not enough people showed up (only 3 PCs), so we did other stuff instead.
...I tell ya, back in my day, ya needed an avatar just to get the chance to walk 30 miles up a hill in 40 below freezing snow to talk to a single mortal...
*ahem*
New Maps Everyone!
These maps approximate how the world looked about 5 seconds before the continent was dropped. They are primarily for historical purposes, or perhaps you might be struck with the urge to run a game set during "pre-drop" Galara.
Overworld (I think you've all seen everything marked before, colors are just touched up a bit)
Overworld, sans coastline (you might like it)
Here is a batch of deity influence maps:
Eckral, Gadabout, Khavus, Lazarus, Malbrig, Myx, Raver, Thael, Tzu
The first draft of these was created based off of Locke's maps and in consultation with ff6. The 2nd draft which you're seeing here has some modifications as I felt fit to match the few extra events which happened between when I talked with ff6 about territories and when he dropped the continent. They have not been "cleared" with Locke or anything like that and are not to be considered super official documents.
4pp gods didn't get their own maps:
Bael: Your mortal influence was equal to the area of Malbrig's influence around the Tiefling city. Also, If you could give me the name of that Tiefling city, that'd be grand.
Corruption: You had no influence pre-drop. Also, I'm not clear on where your brand new cult was made. Might I suggest the far western coast near Ellay?
Strength: You weren't around before the continent drop anyways. When you make new guys be sure to
Speaking of which, I'm not sure the new continent has been given a name. Sometime soon enough I'll be working on expanding the entire map so that the one "continent level" map has both continents on it (a mega-map, if you will).
Again, I'm vaguely watching the IC thread, but I mostly just scan to see what people are spending PP on. If a city gets knocked over or something else about the map changes please post about it here. I do read the OOC posts completely.
Mephistopheles: Don't worry about the land sharks... They can't fly. Just give the trolls and ogres wings and they'll be completely safe.
nice update for the maps
This is why the gods create Avatars. Avatars are physical shells that house the divine essence of a god. This shell allows the god to interact with mortals without having to restrain his essence from destroying them. For this reason many gods use PP to communicate with mortals through visions or dreams to let their will be known. When you have a physical shell communication simply becomes easier.
Anyway I should be back to a regular schedule this sunday/monday. After then my vacation will be done and I will be back home with a reliable internet connection.
Oddly, i'm not entirely joking.
Remaining PP
Thrael'kriss - 6
Khavus Rein - 6
Eckral - 4
Lazarus - 1
Bael - 4
And Thought, you'll need to run that Shape Land artifact by Locke. I'm not sure he is allowing artifacts to produce PP for that purpose.
A reminder to everybody, burn your PP, we've got a refresh tonight, about 13 hours from now.
Funk, sorry, I didn't realize you were gone on vacation. Gadabout got a bit... uppity at your lack of a response and thus he created the Aasimar to counter the Tieflings.
Edit: You're right, it hasn't. That explains it.
Anyways, I'll be refreshing in about 2 hours, at 8PM Central Time.
And blarg, its hard work getting to 6 pp. Someday... someday...
Dang.
It is very much an avatar, however. Just a tad bit more sane.
Righty-o. A lot of people (myself included) have been confused on the distinction between the two, so I wanted to be sure incase he and Remiel meet.
No problem, I can see where the confusion might have been.
If there is one... Well, consider my mistake a point of evidence for why they should be in the Wiki. :P
Also, here's the monster rules for Worgs, it's mostly the same as the MM but for some small changes:
Worg
Level 9 Brute
Senses Perception: +9: Darkvision
Initiative: 7 Exp: 400
HP: 120; Bloodied: 60
AC: 20 Fortitude: 20 Reflex: 18 Will: 18
Bite: (Standard, at-will)
+12 vs AC; 2d6+5 damage, and ongoing 5 damage (save ends)
Attack bonus vs. AC: +12
Attack bonus vs. other defenses: +10
Alignment: Chaotic Evil Language: Goblinoid
Skills: Stealth +12
Action points: 1
Str: 21 (+9) Dex: 17 (+7) Wis: 10 (+4)
Con: 20 (+9) Int: 10 (+4) Cha: 16 (+7)
I'm not too sure how a race without opposable thumbs would fair as a PC race. I never paid much attention to supplements; are there any other PC races out there like that?
There was a 3rd party supplement released for 3rd edition that had PC dolphin and shark races for player to use (it was an underwater-based setting). It's certainly possible in 3rd, if a bit awkward when it comes to magic gear, but I'm not sure how 4th edition works so I can't comment on that.
And they've also gotten more Nourishes than your Worgs.
As for the weapon problem, I'd suggest a racial abilty allowing them mto use collar that can be enchanted with weapon abilities. These collars apply the magic to their natural weapons.
As for my new exarch, it is composed of multiple beings, each one a worshipper of Eckral, bound to his service for their failure. Each must serve until they prove themselves in battle with honor and courage.
And it's hardly a big numbers thing, it was like maybe 40 total goblins. I didn't think it would be a big deal, it's not as though they conquered a nation or anything, it was a camp, and not even a WAR camp necessarily.
Edit: Wait, so because a Worg pack wins a SMALL battle with a relatively SMALL number of goblins (what would amount to an average sized tribe) you make an Exarch...
Is your god going to get personally involved every time one of your commanders loses to someone else?
Edit2: So this is not a completely negative post, here be the rules for Worgs as a player race that I have so far:
Worg
Racial Traits
Average Height: 4'6"-5'2"
Average Weight: 220-310lb
Ability Scores: +2 Strength, +2 Constitution
Speed: 7 Squares
Vision Darkvision
Languages: Goblin (Wolf/Worg communication)
Skill Bonuses: +2 Stealth, +2 Endurance
Lethal Weapon: +1 to attack rolls and damage with unarmed and natural weapon attacks every 2 levels (1,3,5,7 etc.)
Natural Weapons: Worgs gain a 1d6 Bite attack, and a 2d4 claw attack (alternatively 2 1d4 claw attacks) this changes to 2d6 and 4d4 at 11th level, and 3d6 and 6d4 at 21st level
Magical Beast: Worgs are magical creatures, and can take magical effects from weapons and trinkets into their own bodies, if items can not otherwise be worn.
I've been planning an exarch for a while since then, and this was the first opportunity.
Edit: And that really sucks for those goblins to keep coming back. Does it apply as they're being digested? Because they're food.
Edit2: And how does my Worg PC race look? I was thinking the natural attacks would cover the power that some races get. I was thinking, maybe +2 Str and +2 Dex would be better than +2 Str and +2 Con.
While it is good to let the other side have at least a chance to respond, personally I wouldn't say that PP expenditure or nourishes should be needed for that.
Though to note, Goblin, that lone mortal was able to fair well against an entire band of goblins because he had divine help. Not PP, but Alec was using his domain to nudge things along. Sort of like if there was a duel, Eckral could (probably) grant the advantage to one individual over another, or Gadabout could (probably) make someone's travel more difficult or easier, or Tzu'misel could (probably) make a wizard's spell more powerful or not, etc.
2. That... doesn't make any sense. It basically just means, since they can't use a +1 sword, they just get +1 to their natural attacks instead. Replacing it with a racial power makes no sense: You're essentially saying "instead of letting them use magical weapons, just give them a power to make up for not being able to us them"... ?
Lethal Weapon is going to be granting a +15 bonus to attacks and damage by level 29. It's a bit overkill.
The Magical Beast letting them take weapon proterties is probably good enough.
If your trying to replicate having a magical weapon all the time, bonuses are best placed at 2, 7, 12, 17, 22, 27 and adding a proficiency bonus (probably 2) to the natural weapons.
And Goblin was irritated that he didn't get a chance to respond at all. He felt that it was just a walk up and "I'm taking a band of goblins."
Locke and Matt were using their domains to nudge the results, but at the same time, GoblinNation never straight out posted "The golins slave party surrounded Peter the Wolf, beat him unconcious, and took him prisoner." either. He could have, and no doubt there would have been complaints.
Edit: Happy New Years to you as well, Camu.
Not quite to the secret society level of things, they just aren't overt and advertising their beliefs in the open streets anymore.
Also, happy new year!
Hmm, well the racial proficiency with natural weapons makes more sense, the magical beast thing is only meant so that in the place of something that couldn't be worn/used by a Worg because it has no hands, it would essentially gain the ability to replicate it's properties AS IF it was using the item.
Maybe word it so that the Worg has to devour the magical item to absorb it's magical essence (and thus use it 'normally')?
Worg
Racial Traits
Average Height: 4'6"-5'2"
Average Weight: 220-310lb
Ability Scores: +2 Strength, +2 Constitution
Speed: 7 Squares
Vision Darkvision
Languages: Goblin (Wolf/Worg communication)
Skill Bonuses: +2 Stealth, +2 Endurance
Lethal Weapon: +1 to attack rolls and damage with unarmed and natural weapon attacks, and a +2 proficiency to unarmed and natural weapons
Natural Weapons: Worgs gain a 1d6 Bite attack, and a 2d4 claw attack (alternatively 2 1d4 claw attacks) this changes to 2d6 and 4d4 at 11th level, and 3d6 and 6d4 at 21st level
Magical Beast: Worgs, being magical creatures, can take on the magic of an item. They do so by transferring the magic to a proxy item, like a collar or a ring. The proxy item will be worth the same and will perform the same function as the magical item, and the original item is destroyed.
He doesn't like to let other gods respond because clearly doesn't want his playthings broken. So maybe he should avoid doing what he doesn't want done to him. Unless he likes the idea of encouraging someone to blast him off the map.
If I hadn't quit I would have by now on principle.
Edit:
In response to the Worg, I think the scaling damages on the natural attacks are broken. They're still going to be entering classes, presumably. And a Worg Fighter with a 7W power is going to be biting for 21d6, or clawing for 42d4. Before the ultimate +8 to damage. resulting from magic items and lethal weapon, not to mention all of their stats.
If you really want people doing worgs, Between lethal weapon and natural weapons you're basically building a non-magical weapon. So give them like... Bite 1d8, and claws 1d6(They're canine-like, so claws are less useful on them than their bite), and make Lethal Weapon a +2 to hit with unarmed, and if you really want the +1 to attack and damage rolls... It needs to be a separate ability with a condition. Like "Bloodied" or, or when hit based on the similar powers on player races. To barrow from the wolves, Give them +1 to hit and damage when a foe is prone.
Anyway, what that spells out is Bite is a +2 1d8 weapon, and the claws are a +2 1d6 weapon. Magical Beast covers the scaling issue, so it's not a concern.
Note: Players that want to play animals in my experience are looking for an over-powered ability originally designed to make the animal stand against 4 PCs at a time. Don't fall for their requests when they want to add things.
Hah. Eckral should just post crushing the Wargs since BB can't be bothered to spend PP on combat actions or let people respond in the favor of their races despite having been told after his first one he needed to.
He doesn't like to let other gods respond because clearly doesn't want his playthings broken. So maybe he should avoid doing what he doesn't want done to him. Unless he likes the idea of encouraging someone to blast him off the map.
If I hadn't quit I would have by now on principle.
No, the problem is that it seems there is some difficulty differentiating scale. I made a small skirmish, a SMALL SKIRMISH, between two groups of about 50 guys, and in the skirmish, most on each side lived. I didn't think people would get so worked up about up to like 20 goblins dying, out of the how many thousands there must be, would be a big deal.
I'm avoiding the WAR, because I can take maybe 20 Wolves, or like 5-10 worgs getting killed, fine, wolves and worgs die all the time, but a WAR is different. I wouldn't have acted it all out without letting someone RP if I'd attacked a major encampment or something, I didn't think I had to let someone else have a chance to RP every single time there was a fight!
So no, I don't mind SOME of my Worgs and Wolves dying from maybe a skirmish every once and awhile, Worgs and Wolves die all the time, and a small skirmish is pretty much all fluff, it's not going to have any real mechanical effect, I mind when people try to war with my newly created race, that at this point should be varied packs in the forest attacking a scouting party here or there.
If Gob wants to post a skirmish where some worgs and wolves die every once and awhile for fluff, go right on ahead, I could care less, I mind when someone tries to systematically kill most of my new race however, since it's a BIG difference. You're basically comparing, in terms of severity, a small skirmish force, to an army on army combat. They aren't the same.
No, the problem is that it seems there is some difficulty differentiating scale. I made a small skirmish, a SMALL SKIRMISH, between two groups of about 50 guys, and in the skirmish, most on each side lived. I didn't think people would get so worked up about up to like 20 goblins dying, out of the how many thousands there must be, would be a big deal.
I'm avoiding the WAR, because I can take maybe 20 Wolves, or like 5-10 worgs getting killed, fine, wolves and worgs die all the time, but a WAR is different. I wouldn't have acted it all out without letting someone RP if I'd attacked a major encampment or something, I didn't think I had to let someone else have a chance to RP every single time there was a fight!
So no, I don't mind SOME of my Worgs and Wolves dying from maybe a skirmish every once and awhile, Worgs and Wolves die all the time, and a small skirmish is pretty much all fluff, it's not going to have any real mechanical effect, I mind when people try to war with my newly created race, that at this point should be varied packs in the forest attacking a scouting party here or there.
If Gob wants to post a skirmish where some worgs and wolves die every once and awhile for fluff, go right on ahead, I could care less, I mind when someone tries to systematically kill most of my new race however, since it's a BIG difference. You're basically comparing, in terms of severity, a small skirmish force, to an army on army combat. They aren't the same.
No. The problem is you failed to listen when you were told that for you to instigate a battle some sort of PP must be spent. The most probable candidate being guide populace. Last time people jumped on you about it was also "insignificantly small" according to you.
Giving you the benefit of the doubt that you're an intelligent, but busy person, I'll provide the statements by both admins saying so:
FF6Shadow's statement
Locke_Kant's statement
What you're seeing here is that interacting with the world costs PP, and that messing with things that cost someone else PP costs PP.
Last time a war between two clans totalling, you said around a hundred each, meaning presumably a couple dozen combatants each, losing a dozen a year(and both sides controlled by you) should be free as well. And again, if you just click those links above, you find you were told otherwise.
So if you can't kill a dozen people a year for free, what makes you think you can kill 20 all at once? Also, half why you're drawing attention is because you can't have the fight without spending PP in the first place.
And before you think I'm singling you out, I've had this discussion with Lazarus. Drawn admin attention to such things countless times, etc. I've even jumped on Admin's over it. And none of the times was I ever the one whose previous expenditures were devalued. If Eckral actually did it to you, I'd jump all over him as well. But you get the point. Fluff can't mess with Crunch. Your fluff can't mess with someone ELSE'S crunch. You can make an Avatar and do what you've been doing, or you can guide each time you want to do something and deal with it. Either way, according to the admins you have PP to spend.
Edit: And I know I'm harsh. I get told every time I jump on someone. But no one but who I jump on disagrees with what I have to say. For the record, I prefer to be called "An ******* using his powers for good."
Some things never change.
But that's not what they said, both of those times were over a time when MY GOD got personally involved. These are DIFFERENT SITUATIONS. The reason I was told I couldn't do that, is because MY GOD got PERSONALLY INVOLVED for no AP. I was not told that for ANY kind of fighting I had to spend PP. I was told that for MY GOD to get PERSONALLY INVOLVED he had to have an Exarch or an Avatar. That is NOT the same as saying I need to spend PP to do ANYTHING involving fighting. Furthermore, how does having any fighting at all require PP? How is it, that to show a battle between a worg pack, and a goblin pack, belligerent and warlike creatures both, and mortals OUTSIDE the direct control of my god, MY GOD has to spend his own power to directly interfere with the actions of his mortals? Are all mortals actions driven directly by the gods? Can mortals do nothing without the gods having to spend power for them to do it? I could understand if I tried to make war with someone without spending PP, that's a big change, that's getting a whole lot of people together and getting them to do something. What it's NOT is anyone at all fighting.
For one, goblins aren't being made belligerent and warlike in this world, if you'd read the thread you'd know that. Second, it's because YOU AS A PERSON are still affecting the world. Why do you think you can interact for free when no one else can?
You also claimed the last fight was mortals starting it. And Locke still told you it cost PP after you made that statement, but you would be exempted the once.
Mephisto is in the right on this one guys. Mortals fight and die all the time, and new ones are born. Saying "you can't write about that if you don't spend PP" is stupid. That is what the rules say and all, but that's why the rules themselves are stupid.
Some things never change.
You've been through this before sir. The rules say it, and it's there for a reason. It's called making things fair for everyone. You've just always favored yourself over others.
And you're right. Mortals fight and die constantly. But this isn't the mortal game. That's what D&D is for. This is a game of gods. You're building a setting, not playing D&D. So in short, no, Mortals shouldn't be acting outside of the influence of a god, and you SHOULD be spending PP on everything. Because to be blunt, anything less than a gods will should be completely under the radar. It shouldn't even be here. To claim otherwise is essentially saying, "But I don't want to have to pay for what I want to do."
Saying you, as a player of the game, can do things outside the framework of the game is stupid.
You should at least discuss it with Admins and see about changing the rules of the game, instead of acting outside of them on your own authority and making everyone's life more difficult. Then again, Lokathor admits to be far too impulsive to engage in such matters.
PS: Malbrig, your god left the world. How are you spending PP? Particularly 5 of it. The precedent set is new gods even by old players get 4. ;)
For one, goblins aren't being made belligerent and warlike in this world, if you'd read the thread you'd know that. Second, it's because YOU AS A PERSON are still affecting the world. Why do you think you can interact for free when no one else can?
You also claimed the last fight was mortals starting it. And Locke still told you it cost PP after you made that statement, but you would be exempted the once.
I did read a good bit of it, and I saw that goblins were made by the God of War, and that they have fought, recently even, in wars. This lead me to believe that goblins, being created by the god of war and having fought a number of them, would be warlike.
The thing is here, you're trying to make this personal, like I think I should have a privilege no one else does. Well stop it, you're wrong and all you do by trying to prove your point that way is make yourself look belligerent. I think that doing small things between mortals should not cost PP for ANYONE. Not for me, not for Goblin, not for Shadow, not for Angel of the Night, not for anyone.
Secondly, I believed, logically, that it still stemmed from the fact that my god got personally involved, which would involve PP, since PP is the representative power of a god, my god would need to spend HIS power to interact with mortals. That is something I understand and sought to correct, by not involving my god unless I had the PP to make an exarch or an avatar, or to guide populous, I.E. to perform a PP action.
You've been through this before sir. The rules say it, and it's there for a reason. It's called making things fair for everyone. You've just always favored yourself over others.
And you're right. Mortals fight and die constantly. But this isn't the mortal game. That's what D&D is for. This is a game of gods. You're building a setting, not playing D&D. So in short, no, Mortals shouldn't be acting outside of the influence of a god, and you SHOULD be spending PP on everything. Because to be blunt, anything less than a gods will should be completely under the radar. It shouldn't even be here. To claim otherwise is essentially saying, "But I don't want to have to pay for what I want to do."
Saying you, as a player of the game, can do things outside the framework of the game is stupid.
You seem to have a fixation with the business of rules that is just stubborn. People are allowed to think rules don't make sense, and if others agree with them, and the mods agree with them, they should be changed, because sometimes rules don't always make sense.
If no one had to pay PP for small things that did not directly involve the gods, then it WOULD be fair, because it would be the same for everyone. One problem you seem to have is you think that somehow, someway, mortals don't shape a world just as much as gods do. That is so incorrect as to be laughable. It's true, gods play a major role in the shaping of a world, but once a multitude of mortals are present, as they are, one must take THEIR actions into account, as well as the gods. We are not over deities that the actions of mortals are below our notice, quite the opposite, as deities of a power level between demi and greater, the actions of mortals shape us as much as our actions shape them. Mortals acting outside the direct influence of a god can change the shape and the history of a setting, and therefore effect the gods, just as much as the gods themselves. Lords of Creation is about building a setting, and a setting involves everything, from beasts to the greatest of gods. It makes no sense to try and limit things only to the perspectives of the gods themselves. One should be able to speak of the actions of their gods' followers just as easily.
Are you aware that you made personal attacks in that previous post? I'm done with you. I'm sure you'll soon enough find yourself under far more scrutiny from people who would do harm to your place in the game rather than debate with you the reasons people's attention has been drawn to you. In the form of angered players and admins penalizing you. Have a nice life.
Oh I get it. It's alright for you to be a jerk and to call people stupid since you don't play any more, but when someone says YOU'RE being stupid, it's a personal attack, and you're allowed to take the higher ground? Well I sure hope you like it up there on your high horse, since apparently noone is allowed to respond to you in the same way you respond to them.
As far as saying the word stupid in that one post, I was merely repeated the language of the post I was responding to.
You however, seem to take everything personally instead of in the light it was intended. I hope you enjoy your sense of victory. I did what you wanted after all. I gave up. So why fight that as well?
Now, if you'd like to continue this we can move it to PM's for the benefit of the rest of the games participants.
I never called anyone anything, sir. I take that back, I called you a busy person. I apologize. You might not be a busy person, I don't know. But if I were going to resort to name calling and personal attacks, they would not be veiled. I lack the subtly for that, as I'm sure everyone would happily attest to.
As far as saying the word stupid in that one post, I was merely repeated the language of the post I was responding to.
You however, seem to take everything personally instead of in the light it was intended. I hope you enjoy your sense of victory. I did what you wanted after all. I gave up. So why fight that as well?
Now, if you'd like to continue this we can move it to PM's for the benefit of the rest of the games participants.
You said "saying you, as a player, can do things outside the framework of the game is stupid" and you implied I, and Lokathor, were doing so, so you were implying we were being stupid. I implied that you, by stubbornly sticking to the rules and not considering that the rules might not make sense, you were BEING stupid. I said the same thing you did, I just said it more bluntly, and even so it's no more a direct personal attack than yours. I never said you WERE stupid, I said you were BEING stupid. Apparently, despite your claims of being so harsh and being an ******* to people, you can't take personal criticism.
I don't take everything personally, I take the implication that I'm being stupid, and that I'm selfishly ignoring other people because I just want to benefit myself, personally. I don't like it when people assume I'm being selfish just because I don't see the sense in a rule. I didn't want to make you just give up, I wanted to prove that I'm right using logic. Apparently you answer logic with accusations and personal insults.
But the entire rule structure is what's fundamentally in the wrong. At first, everything but talking to a god costs PP, then we're allowed to talk out what mortals do. So either, as you say, we can't ever have mortal stories without PP being spent because everything they do has an effect on something (which I wouldn't mind myself; mortal stories clog up the thread), or mortals can take actions on the "personal" scale without PP being spent (which is about what we have now, you just can't talk about some subjects, which is a stupid middle ground to sit on). As you say, I'm often an impulsive person that would rather abolish rules found to be problematic than continue to work within them. And now, a line in bold, just cause I felt like copying your style:
Saying that the game's rules are immutable and set in stone and can never be changed when a flaw is discovered and poked at is just as stupid as a player saying that they can break the rules.
You could consider this to be my official petition to the admins for such a change if you like. Who know? Maybe I'm just being impetuous and devil's advocatey. I like it when other people tell me what I'm doing or how I'm feeling when I myself don't even know.
PS: Now watch as I cleverly ignore your last question so as to make the others figure it out on their own. Back to reading pokemon manga!
God interacting with mortals requires PP somewhere along the line (an avatar, an exarch, a guide populace action, etc).
Gods interacting with their own domains (on a small scale) does not require PP (large scale permanent effects really need an artifact... indeed, permanent effects in general probably need an artifact).
Mortals interacting with mortals does not require PP (but the effects should not be dramatic, nor should mortals just be used as a puppet for the god's will).
But that is beside the point. Really it is. All that is little more than a red herring.
Meph, Sina, I think original arose from a perceived disregard for (or an unawareness of) proper etiquette. While it would be allowed for Meph to control a group of wargs that automatically kill some goblins, that is bad form. GoblinNation should have been given a chance to influence the skirmish a bit. It isn't necessary, but it is polite. If an exarch or artifact had been present, I'd say that would have been enough to dictate the outcome, and even as it is it wasn't a big deal. But it wasn't good etiquette.
Additionally, it is bad form to take control of a race that you didn't create (and this goes a little more beyond mere manners and into the realm of rules). As I read it, you were claiming a portion of goblins and if no one had objected, you would have played in the future as if the wargs and at least some goblins were aligned. However, you would need GoblinNations permission for that, or at the least a guide populace. Merely defeating goblins by fiat is acceptable (though as mentioned, a little rude), but incorporating them into the foundations of a warg/goblin nation without their player's consent is stretching good manners and bending the rules.
To note, both Halflings and Humans are open to everyone, however, though even in those cases you should still follow the presidents for the race as established previously in the game.
You can still create heroes out of any race (to my knowledge) but changing the racial/social/political landscape like that without player permission and without PP expenditure is what left a bad taste, I think.
So that is really what everything boils down to: a smidgen too little consideration for other people and a potentially important assimilation of a portion of a race without going through the proper channels.
It is a very fine line, admittedly, and one that is quite understandable that someone might miss or confuse.
Glad to see you again man.
For example, say there are two cities. These cities have slowly been developing a rivalry for whatever reason through mortal play. Possibly over land rights. Raids begin to happen on trade routes. This causes escalation of the situation. Soon all out war happens due to mortals having a rivalry. This would be good and acceptable role playing.
Now say there are two cities. No real role playing has been going on. Suddenly a player makes a mortal and starts a conflict out of the blue. In one post there is war with no real reasoning behind it besides the 'mortal' having one. This is poor role playing and frowned upon. Such things are not acceptable and will require PP.
Keep in mind that these examples are simply guidelines. They are a general idea of how the role playing works. I will always call players on trying to abuse this system. Shallow role playing to avoid PP expenditure is unacceptable.
Now to be clear and to make a ruling. Meph was perfectly fine in his mortal role playing. However, Thought is correct in that the last part of Meph's post was inconsiderate. Meph dictated the outcome of a situation with another race that made first contact. First Contact is a major event for when races encounter each other. Such a thing is deserving of the other player's attention, even if the attention will result in the mortals dying instead of joining. The last part really should have been left open and as has been pointed out that is what is getting to people.
So, for a while, I've been working on converting a 3.5 magic system. Its from the Dark Sun setting, if anyone knows what that is. Anyway, here's a rough draft of it.
Spore-Bending
Feats:
Sons of Uerrekor
-At a rate of 1 day per hit dice of affected creature, a Chosen of Lazarus may reshape an unwilling subject into any form of the same size category. A proper spore-bending facility must be used. The effect is permanent. No powers beyond the physical are gained by the creature in its new form.
Hands of Ueberroth
-Uses up spores equal to 1/2 the items price, can only create simple tools. Time required=?
Flesh of Ueberroth
-Supply half the items value in spores, succeed at a craft: structure check. If you fail, the spores are still used up, as you have created a ruined structure.
DC:15 Simple-Wall, Bookcase
DC:20 Moderate- Catapult, Shed
DC:25 Complex- House, Warehouse
DC:30- Advanced- Palace
After I get your opinions on this, I'll get grafting rules up. Spores would be roughly equivalent to essentia. Thanks to all the people at Athas.org who updated this wonderful system to 3.5.
Time is a strange thing in LOC when no one cares to define it, which we never did. I like to think that each turn is at least a decade, if not more.
Especially with the nations reacting to "current events".
Same goes for Tzu, with a single excpetion. He has introduced his own rites to the efreet, and no others.
The two of them continue to grant prayers to mortals in the name of Tzu'misel right now. They see no reason to inform mortals that their is a division or a split.
Locke: I was judging that since the first Saughahin attack. I sortof assumed that time was fairly mutable, as in time for nations, time for gods, and time for mortals being separate things.
Thus I will began posting a year date with each Power Points refresh. These will help to give everyone a general time frame to work within. This also means that after a certain point normal mortals cannot become involved with global events. Those mortals can however finish their storylines within their given time frame.
A result of this is that everyone's normal mortals will have a "stage" time of about 1-2 months depending on time progression and their race.
On the note of nourishes, these are divine intervention forcing growth at a rapid rate. So developments can occur within shorter time frames. I do agree though that time needs to be passing for most of the nourishes to make sense. Thus the new time will be posted with the refreshes.
Any comments, or objections are welcome for discussion on this subject.
That said, I'm glad I mentioned that the prime myconids are ageless, which saves me from having to think up new names.
What makes me so special? I vote I be stricken from memory until the other people to disappear receive proper grievance.
What makes Defluo so special is he was a fun god. And you didn't give him a resolution. He isn't dead, but he isn't around, either. A mystery.
I think attempting to attach a time scale to things this late in the game is a bit of a mistake...
Not really. The games been going since... september? So far mortals can live about half as long as the game's been going. Once everything gets on track, the mortal play shouldn't be too difficult to manage, but it might help mortal stories to get wrapped up in a reasonable amount of time (have those mortals ever found Sur Rime and Ember's Edge?) Though, I suppose if things get bad enough, we could also just finish up the game, take a bit of a break, and start again fresh. At this point we have seven gods that have died/vanished, a mass of history that new players have to overcome, perhaps a bit of player burnout (or maybe it is just the holidays), and rules that need a bit of a polishing. While there is still a lot of good working beind done, I'm not above a strategic advance to the rear either ;)
Biblical ages on heroes of legend doesn't bother me at all.
I agree mortal play should be limited, but I like to get my mortals mixed up in diific affairs quite a bit. The growth and decline of nations depend upon the actions of their citizens, and in a world where heroes have names instead of simple professions (though classes do sort of create creations "firemen" and "police") I think that having stories about heroic mortals is a great thing. I've tried to make colorful characters the bards will remember in "ages" to come.
Trouble is I think I've tried a bit too hard. I want to get that Sur Rime and Ember's Edge arc finished but it should be noted that the mortals involved (including beckah) will become exarchs.
I think a few mortals are exempt from time. depends on how willing fate is to impose his domain. Think of time as something more fuzzy. Seasons come and go, but really nothing so far has a set *date*.
I like the idea of dates givin at refreshes.Gives us better organization, like chapters. Cal and Rian will be finished shortly.
I'll PM any mortal things I can think of.
FF6, out of curiosity, how is the Shadow domain different than ol' Myxiniron's Darkness domain?
Lycans have an elven lifespan, and my "major movers" are an exarch set.
Makes things easy as I don't have to come up with new names...
I'm Ewan- one of the players in the original LoC campaign. I played Arteheyne, and later, Britmara.
The new thread looks cool.
Good to hear from you :D
Yeah, we're 4e. Our stuff isn't quite organized for use as a setting yet, but we hope to get there.
Cool. My stuff is even less organized, I'm certain. Maybe I should begin posting some of it on these boards? It isn't designed for 4E, but D&D is D&D, after all. I'd post it on Dragonsfoot, as well, naturally.
Anywho, if you're interested in our stuff, you can get some quick, dirty, and incomplete info from our wiki: http://galara.wikia.com/wiki/Galara_Wiki
Hey, great to hear from an old timer. Yeah, a lot of people have tried to find the old, original LoC stuff but to my knowledge, the best anyone's come up with was Shardsworld (the one before this one, so... the second? third?).
Anywho, if you're interested in our stuff, you can get some quick, dirty, and incomplete info from our wiki: http://galara.wikia.com/wiki/Galara_Wiki
I've only been able to locate the second LoC thread IC, not all the background stuff the players wrote. Too bad; we had maps, notes,etc.
Good idea, making a wiki. I'll check it out. Thanks.
I'm not really sure as to her status.
She's just a mortal as far as I know.
Also our records show that some of the new gods may not have spent their PP. Since it is the holidays and some of you are just returning to school I will provide you with another thirty minutes to post your spent PP before it is gone.
She's just a mortal as far as I know.
Okay, awesome.
Careful though! The roses are an avatar.
I would never harm a rose.
So it does help for you to send a PM to me every week detailing what you think your PP should be. Information like nourishes, races, and influence your god has determines PP along with good role playing.
Ah, I thought that was jus a one-time thing to help you establish a baseline. Did you still want people to also guess at what other players should get too?
:D
I like to hear peoples thoughts about the game and the players.
Please go and make sure the info is correct, update it for any missing information, and in general try to keep it up to date.
Same goes to everyone.
Eckral, Khavus, Myxiniron, Thrael'Kriss, and even Tzu'misel all have rather pathetic god pages.
Course, so do a lot of the inactive gods, but that is besides the point.
The wiki is a terribly useful thing for trying to figure out what random characters are, what artifacts do, if a domain is taken or not, where places are (seriously, we have maps and brief descriptions of cities and everything), potential god actions, Power Point distributions, etc.
Remember, only you can help us make a useful resource for DMing this fantastic world we are making.
Well... Maybe tonite since I'm utterly imcapable of sleeping recently.
Out at sea Gadabout contemplated how to address the tyrant who ruled without divine authority.
Technically I am ruling with divine authority.
What with being divine and all. ;)
Sort of like how Remiel just now came to realize that the Tattered King must be mad. Because the Madness domain wasn't a total give away. ;)
The Monopod of Gadabout saw a shape appear before it. It was the form of Lazarus.
Why are you in my domain, Gadabout? Do you seek me?
Out of curiosity, which monopod would this be? One is on Agrilia, the other is far out in the ocean, well out of sight of land and indeed, probably out into ocean that hasn't seen gameplay.
Then there is the other half of Gadabout near Ra'Ver-Alec and Khavus.
As a side note, I'm glad you like Remiel. She's quite fun to write for.
And Thought, you said something about Gadabout going near Ueberroth's body, I think he means that. I recall that being recently enoughish.
that reminds me I need a word with Myxy...
Also seems like I made Myxiniron a bit of a loner atm, especially since the other old gods left (ongor, ator)
I'm a bit lost with what to do with Myxiniron right now. All kinds of events are going and game is now full of mortals and exarchs i hardly know of, so hard to step in.
The mortals and exarchs are a bit of a question mark for me as well, if that's any consolation.
And of course there is "Tzu", the not-nice half of Tzu'misel (he doesn't seem exactly evil). His shadow domain seems like it might step on Myxiniron's toes a bit, with her darkness domain, so she could always have words with him (either forming a partnership or creating a nemisis).
A handful of Halflings (Gadabout's mortals) have been trading tentatively with the Drow at the western edge of the deadlands. If you want to make the undead a player in world politics, you might be able to start gathering political influence through them (if such a thing even interests you).
Myxiniron might also give special attention to Ongor's old domains/creations; not so much to take over them, but to take care of them until SD returns to someone else takes him over.
You could always create Vecna and draw on some of the old mythos about him to help create a bit of a character arc.
A mortal of mine/Exarch of Bael (yeah, it was a bit convoluted) captured a number of undead beasties that he released on an Emyprean city. Most of them were destoryed, but you could start up a new enclave of darkness near the western mountains (called the World Spine mountains now, I think). Or you could always try to punish Bael for this infrigement, or hunt down the morta/exarch (he was killed and his spirit has escaped from Novrim). His name was Orta, by and by.
And of course the undead could benefit from a bit of diaspora in general. As things stand, PCs in our world would really only encounter the undead if they travel to the Deadlands. Makes it a bit difficult for including undead in low level adventures.
Side note: Defluo created an exarch, Tiamat, that as his mother Myxiniron might take interest in.
It is incomplete, but I'll try to start adding redirect pages so you can just type in mortal/exarch names and be taken to a page that would give at least a little info.
i'll also try to add some stuff about my god on the wikia, but i'm not entirely sure how to post stuff on a wikia
Really? I must have missed that...
I thought that might be the case, hence why I mentioned it. here's the post: http://forums.gleemax.com/showpost.php?p=17569204&postcount=3626
Thanks!
I have edited in a response to the Blackguards.
I liked the Troll-Blackguard interaction there.
((Teach Populous: Aasimar - Divine Right of Kings, 1PP))
Man, this has caused and continues to cause so many problems... I thought you were Ator for a second.
And the belief that rulers were appointed by (or really were) the gods has a long and proud historical tradition.
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and by pround I mean shameful ;)
It is very amusing though.
And have you noticed the patterns between the generations of gods? I think I might make a post with some of the patterns I see.
Edit: Camu, are you taking up the mantle of the underworld-god?
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and yes, that comparison does make Ueberroth out to be female. And it implies that TK is Kronos. But don't start eating your children.
Now... As for actions speaking not words? Look at the difference in actions and creations between Ueberroth and Agrilnost... actions are speaking to T'k and saying something.
Now as for the generations...
Generation one came from the Beyond, both gods are largely unknmowable by mortals and have little true development or history.
Generation two is the remainder of the Elder Gods, as well as Lazarus. All of these gods share one unifying trait: They have inhuman forms. They also share some personality traits: Insanity, Megalomania, Arrogance (even compared to other gods). The exception here is Myxy, though she instead has a certain connection to death and corruption (shared by many of the other gods of this generation.)
Then we have the NewlingsTM whoi have a major prefeence for Human forms (or near-human, IE Mortal-like) save Tzu'misel (IIRC). These gods also are less prone to extremism and general arrogance. At least in comparison to the elder gods.
I know it's pretty broad, but I don't feel like breaking gods down one by one to study them. However we do have a few corner-cases:
Defluo: Is obviously insane, and shares most of his traits with elder gods.
Bael: Very much like the elder gods.
Myxy: She apparently has a bit more in common with the Newlings than any of the elder gods.
Note that I have a rather wide definition of insanity, amd the major component I refer to is thus; A capacity for hatred and a lack of compassion. This trait is shared by all elder gods save Myxy who lacks apparent hatred. However the trait is lacking in the newlings (though they do tend to lack compassion in certain respects).
Edit: Yes my chuildren eat each other. And T'k IS a hunter and has no objection to eating any of his less intellectual creations. What do you thing he does when he's bored?
Also, Lazarus is pretty humanish. Actually, he strikes me as a bit of a Myrddraal. Also, Ra'Ver-Alec doesn't have too much of a human form, and Kalosh even less.
Though I do find it very interesting that the trend has been more humanish as the game progresses. First Ongor changed his appearance from a pure worm to that of a wormy man-thing. Then TK started walking around as an elf. Even Tzu'misels turned into three humanoid thingies. In that regard, Myx is the only one to remain true to her origins.
I usually picture Lazarus as akin to an Illithid.
Yes things have shifted a little. Actually T'k's form is a tribute to Ator (as is the addition of Rahkshasa to his followers). He may not have liked him, but he did respect him.
Kalosh's Avatar is humanoid. And Ra'ver Wears a cloak and mask. The others are almost universally based on a mortal race.
I figure Camu has no real need to look human, T'k is proving something (he still would prefer a beast-form... It's just easier to get respect when he isn't the size of a mac-truck in comparison to wh he's talking to).
Besides, the joint invasion is still a possibility. Just becuase we're dueling one on one, doesn't mean we can't work together more.
Also, the continent is pure hax.
All of which allowed them to survive the cataclysm.
Actually, that was why Tzu was pursuing the war against the illithids. He had a inkling that Lucis was planning something for the illithids, thanks to Secrets and Knowledge. So he drew them out of their homeland, engaged thier armies in battle, and encouraged them to grow stronger.
All of which allowed them to survive the cataclysm.
A likely excuse ;)!
And that was the reason. Yes, I think that far ahead sometimes.
What is that a skull from, Lord Mephistopheles?
And that was the reason. Yes, I think that far ahead sometimes.
All I was saying is that is a likely excuse. :D
Mindshred, do you mean Alaric, the Aasimar king in Silenia?
Yep, that's the one.
Yep, that's the one.
Aasimar are not humans. I think that is why he is wondering if you got your facts straight.
They've far more in common with humans than any of the various elven subraces, which are still considered to be elves. So I guess I'm not really sure why a race that's 99% human isn't considered to be a human race.
Still, I've gone back and changed to post for less confusions.
I miss the old tiefling btw...
At least, not that I'm aware of.
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:D
Landmine kinda exploded on Kalosh there.
I told Tsu that'd I help him against Lucis.
Besides, Lucis is getting it way worse than I am, by my counting.
That means you Thought! ;P
Everyone happy now? Good.
I wonder if they'll be as obviously Aasimar as tieflings now are. I mean tieflings all have big horns and tails. Before they were less obvious. Faceless Aasimar?
Good question. I think WotC are renaming the Aasimar to something else (Devas?), so these creatures might be a bit freer to be different than the books.
I really should put some work into getting the stats of the race up and a basic physical description. They'll definately be more obviously Aasimar, to follow the tiefling pattern...
EDIT: Sina, a very nice final act.
Also, thanks for adding stuff, Camu.
The only undead that are moving out of the deadlands are the newly created Larva.
3 groups of larva exist at this point.
Larva are tiny undead, but can be dangerous as they fight in large numbers. What is worse is that they can multiply by converting dead matter into more of them. This can both be freshly slain victims or corpses dug up out of a cemetary.
Each group is accompanied by one of Myxinirons children (the atropal exarchs), although they don't interfere with anything happening to the group they follow.
No, Meph, I didn't realize they all stayed underground. Ah well, I'll just remove the part about the destroyed villages and Tobin will have been imagining he has encountered Wargs and signs of their passing.
EDIT: Physical description is up. Just need racial feats now, but I have a few in mind.
Oh come on Kalosh, you didn't even hear that conversation.
Knowledge Domain!
Doesn't make you magically know everything.
It gives me access to every little bit of Knowledge that mortals know.
So it kinda does, yes.
2, even if I accepted your terms, both people talking are exarchs, so quit it.
In the previous 2 LoC's we had similar cases of knowledge domain abuse.
The knowledge domain doesn't make you omnipotent. There is for example the secret domain ingame, so this would counter certain knowledge to be optained.
I believe a good limit for the knowledge domain is to restrict it to written lore or things happened in the past (history)
General knowledge, written lore, and things in the past sound good.
Something that is almost purely a mental conversation, particuarly between two exarchs, is abuse of the knowledge domain.
Ugh, not this again.
In the previous 2 LoC's we had similar cases of knowledge domain abuse.
The knowledge domain doesn't make you omnipotent. There is for example the secret domain ingame, so this would counter certain knowledge to be optained.
I believe a good limit for the knowledge domain is to restrict it to written lore or things happened in the past (history)
I guess I don't see the difference between the Knowledge Domain giving you an effective wikipedia on world events and, say, the Plant Domain giving complete control over Plants, the Healing Domain allowing for ultimate healing powers, or the Fate Domain giving control over...well, everything.
Restricting it to written lore or things that happened in the past steps all over the History Domain, and makes the two mostly identical.
2, even if I accepted your terms, both people talking are exarchs, so quit it.
And the expedition involving how many mortals and three skyships wasn't brought to the attention of any mortals at all?
But yeah, you'd know that there was an expedition, you'd know it had 3 ships of mostly elves and some smaller groups of others. You'd even know that there was a huge calamity and two ships went down, with the third crashing soon after. You would not know about a strange plan that an exarch had involving the collection of elf corpses.
You would not know about a strange plan that an exarch had involving the collection of elf corpses.
I mostly just wanted some elf corpses for something I was going to do next turn. I had planned to use Aasimar, but I was told that I couldn't do anything with them because they were 'too new' and completely incorruptible.
But whatever. My domains have been undercut for awhile now, so I'm just going to bow out and call it good.
No problem on the elf thing now that I see your explanation. Just looked like a nasty grudge is all.
So i guess i'll add them as cities.
I PMed him apologizing and trying to explain my reasoning. Hopefully he'll listen and change his mind. Kalosh is a great god and it would be a shame to loose him/her/it.
EDIT: I see Treants have been made. Guess I was too slow; sorry Lokathor, maybe next time?
:'(
Not at all. I'd be happy to trade PM's with you on the details of joining.
Yes!Now I gotta be a really confused god because in both threats there's just so much too read that I simply won't be able to do it.
So I wanna play, is there anything else I need to know about the rules besides what already is on the original post?
Such as:
Name:
Domain:
Alignment: Unaligned
Physical Description:
Symbol:
Also, it is nice if you post some basic info here, so other players know what is what.
Such as:
Name:
Domain:
Alignment: Unaligned
Physical Description:
Symbol:
Yeah, just give me a minute to see what is already out there so I don't end up as a copycat
Name: Zadriel, the ruler and guardian of Paradise
Domain: Salvation, afterlife, rebirth, paradise
Alignment: Lawful Good
Physical Description: Zadriel can take the form of any humanoid but his true form is that of a four-armed creature, with blue fire for hair, the lower body of a giant snake, and with big multicolored wings
Symbol: an angel.
1) After-life and Rebirth are taken (Onger and Khavus/Bael, respectively)
2) New gods generally start with one domain
3) everyone starts as Unaligned (you have to RP your way to other alignments)
To note, this isn't to say one way or the other if that god is acceptable; that is an admin decission.
This has just been a Public Service Announcement.
A few things to note:
1) After-life and Rebirth are taken (Onger and Khavus/Bael, respectively)
2) New gods generally start with one domain
3) everyone starts as Unaligned (you have to RP your way to other alignments)
To note, this isn't to say one way or the other if that god is acceptable; that is an admin decission.
This has just been a Public Service Announcement.
Ohh, that's really helpful. Thanks.
So only one domain? Well, that makes things actually easier.
I think I'll post somehting tomorrow.
Name: Zadriel
Domain: Protection
Alignment: Unaligned
Physical Description: Zadriel can take the form of any humanoid but his true form is that of a four-armed creature, with blue fire for hair, the lower body of a giant snake, and with big multicolored wings
Symbol: an angel.
Is that one ok?
A lot of gods just sort of appear in way one or another. For example, Ra'Ver-Alec was sent into the world by chaos and order (as it were), totally a fluff introduction but one that implies he was sent with a mission. Malbrig was the collective conciousness of all plants in the world, and they sort of reached critical mass to become sentient. Thus he sort of represented the collective interests of green things. Gadabout on the other hand came into being because the gods kept doing something and eventually imparted their divine-ness onto that action (specifically, travel); he doesn't really have a mission in the world or an invested interest in some physical thing, except promoting movement. To note, you do not need to spend PP to create yourself.
Other gods are created by, well, other gods. Thrael'Kriss is the only remaining god who came about like this, but Ongor was created too, as was Defluo and Adahan (I think... agrilnost never really created Adahan, but he created the sun and Adahan just sort of appeared). We have a god-child that Tzu'misel and Khavus created ages ago that is waiting for someone to take it over. You'd choose your own domain but sort of be their child. Or you could post an idea for another god to create you and see if the player is willing to spend the PP to do so.
Yeah, could you tell me more or less what has been said about this child?
If he was abandoned or is he in the arms of his mother or what?
where he went, nobody knows... your call how he should react.
The child has had (I think) two players already. both bailed. We were taking care of him until he disappeared. Then Tzu'Misel fell apart, Khavus fell asleep and the godling fell away.
where he went, nobody knows... your call how he should react.
Ok
Do you want to take him over?
The godling is still where he always was, safe and secure within the Great Cathedral.
Do you want to take him over?
How long has he been there, how is that cathedral, who is taking care of him and where is that cathedral?
And yes, I wanna take over him.
The Great Cathedral is on the floating city of Alaron in the Worldspine Moountains.
Go for it. You're free to post and have 4 PP.
Andro, something to note: PP are generally distributed every Sunday around 8pm Pacific time. Unspent PP doesn't carry over (unless it has specifically been allocated to an action, such as I want to create a plane but only have 2PP, I can in-game tag that 2pp as going towards a create plane action).
Also, according to Lockenkant, the Knowledge Domain gives access to all mortal knowledge.
To be sure everyone is clear; it looks like the Knowledge Domain specifically does not include knowledge held by gods, avatars, or exacrhs, correct?
Additionally, would the Secret Domain be able to counteract the Knowledge Domain on mortals if it was specifically stated as such? For example, say ol Tzu creates an artifact that keeps the existence of a new city a secret; would the Knowledge Domain not know of that city then?
Since she's running the entire afterlife by herself atm.
Maybe they can finally meet other gods then? ;)
"I bet I can lift the world longer than you can!"
"Please I'm way stronger, I could bench press three worlds at the same time"
"Pfft, just three? I bet I could bench press the UNIVERSE!"
"... Yea right... I still bet I could lift the world longer than you!"
"Nuh-uh"
"Yuh-huh"
Ad nauseum.
"Fine then, we'll SEE who can lift the world longer!"
"Fine!"
Edit: Is Hludwig the one following Tobin, or is that a totally different scenario?
Hludwig (or Ludwig if you want to be all modern about it) is an Aasimar exploring Silenia. Specifically, they are outside Eladrin forests right now.
Side note: Primordial Bulettes and Kraid have been added to the wiki. Wyld, if you have a chance it would be nice if you could fill in the following information for the Bulettes: Description, Lore, and Tactics (and any Fluff you think is important).
Anyone desire that I come up with the same information for Kraid?
To be sure everyone is clear; it looks like the Knowledge Domain specifically does not include knowledge held by gods, avatars, or exacrhs, correct?
That is my understanding, yes.
Additionally, would the Secret Domain be able to counteract the Knowledge Domain on mortals if it was specifically stated as such? For example, say ol Tzu creates an artifact that keeps the existence of a new city a secret; would the Knowledge Domain not know of that city then?
I'm unsure as to the interaction of those two domains. If Tzu were to create an artifact simply to keep a city (and everything within) a secret, I would say that would keep it off of the Knowledge radar. Sort of like a cloaking device.
So long as said city didn't interact with other mortals not covered by the device, at least. I'd think that would give away that there was a secret city out there somewhere.
I don't mind if you want to. Might want to try PMing Armisael though. He may be willing to give you a hand
Not so much that I want to, but if other people want the info there I'm willing to come up with some stuff for it.
Feel free to ask me about the Religion of Ra'Ver-Alec either in character or out of character should any mortals in Ellay need it for Role Playing.[/sblock]
Actually, would you mind PMing me a bit of information or posting it here? That would be good to add to the wiki.
Camu, I'll leave the Oozing Shadows to you to fill in the info.
Remember Kraid got turned into the Mad Dwarf.
Yup, it is noted on his page I believe. Feel free to stat up the Mad Dwarf though
Still, a DM might want to have him still around in a game, so it seems proper to post that info.
To note, Primordial Aboleths and Oozing Shadows are up in the wiki. Errender's not here, so anyone want to add a description and fluff?
Camu, I'll leave the Oozing Shadows to you to fill in the info.
Will do
I shall also put the stats i made for the ulgurstasta on the wikia
The first Halfling City, actually, so after several nourishes to the race and such I'd expect it could field a bit of an army (though no fighters or warlords, those are Crafton halflings only... and no Paladins, those are Seven Mountains halflings only).
Where else might monasteries be?
EDIT: As a side note, does anyone know who created the "Lone Island", what it is for, if anyone lives there, etc. I see it on the map but I don't recall anything about it.
I imagine the emperyians would have them. The elves would have a kind of monastary. Probably Axel humans who wander north a bit into the edge of the Talons.
If, by Lone Island, you mean that one in the northern sea, that would be a creation of Eckral's. Nothing lives there at the moment.
Yup, that's the one. Thanks.
The plants that cause trouble to the invaders are being controlled fromafar by either dryads or mosslords.
The undead skirmishers can be both small groups of normal skeletons, zombies and or ghouls, but can also be undead beasts, like the animated corpse of a bulette or dead purple worm.
A rather cool artifact too.
But this is something else, a little change never hurts
Also, since it was just brought to my attention that you can only have 2 PP sources, one for nourish and one for create, i addapt the following
Grave Lord will be for 'create PP' (makes better sense then the nourish actually from this point)
The Necro forges will be the 'nourish PP'
It approaches, eyes them, and opens its mouth to speak.
"Halt intrud-blyyyaar," Deadforged dropped from its mouth.
"Sorry about that. Now, as I was saying, blyyyyarrrg," another drops.
"Halt intruders, or blyyyyaaagk," another drops out.
"Uh, something I ate totally does not agree with me... bllyaaaaraaaragck," three more drop out.
but I already have an exarch who uses vomiting as a weapon (archis, the atropal of disease)
As such, I'd recommend everyone try to add a page for their own domains. If not, no worries, I'll get to it eventually, but then it will be slanted in how I perceive the domain.
These pages contain a brief note of who owns the domain, what the domain entails, who might worship a god in this function, and where aplicable what a god can and cannot do with that domain.
Example: History - the history domain grants a knowledge of the past. But not all of the past; specifically, it has to be events that were observed by someone, it has to be of a degree of importance, and that knowledge will be biased.
(these earchs don't give you +1 in divine combat though)
One possible way is to turn it in a kind of artifact/exarch hybrid, something like an intelligent artifact.
I wanted to exarch an artifact at one point. It would have been allowed, but wasn't well recieved when I discussed it. It is a fun idea though. I hope you find a use for it. You tend to do rather interesting things.
I'd wanted to have defluo exarch Sur Rime and Ember's Edge.. And make a couple more elemental spears to exarch.
In retrospect, it could have been that I wanted to exarch not only "legacy" items of others, but ones rather weaved into the world that caused the poor reception.
I wanted to keep it nice battle, without using my exarchs, but if you start using yuor own exarch as the only respons to what i throw against you, I will use my own, and they are plenty.
Sorry
Edit: He's not like some guy that will kill everyone in a mile radius of himself. Hell, when he kills a titan or something he does it in pretty much the same way he killed the giant he made the club out of (which is to say, he didn't just bash it's face in because he could)
Maybe you should have, you know, had them WARN him. Like "If you continue to fight this WILL BECOME a divine battle" not just "oop, he used his exarch ONCE to kill a few raids and defend a magic chest. I guess I'll respond by killing him instantly"
Edit: I mean honestly, he's done about as much as two ettins could have. I have a lot more than two ettins. Would that help you, if it was just two giants instead of one big ogre? Because seriously, He's hardly single-handedly swinging the fight in their favor. He's smashing some stuff.
Edit: And you'll notice I DIDN'T use him as my only freaking response. I used him as ONE response. One response among a number of other responses.
The way I understand it, an exarch is a divine investment in a conflict: Since he represents and is a champion of his god(s).
So long as only mortals are involved no rational god will want a piece of the action. Really, mortals come and go but exarchs are a challenge to the other god. like saying "I've invested power points in this conflict. I'm calling your people out." It's like an atomic bomb of sorts. A diific bomb.
Edit: I mean honestly, he's done about as much as two ettins could have. I have a lot more than two ettins. Would that help you, if it was just two giants instead of one big ogre? Because seriously, He's hardly single-handedly swinging the fight in their favor. He's smashing some stuff.
Ettins are only around lvl 10-12, sorrowsworn are 25+, so i think he does a way lot more then a couple of ettins.
That said, the fact remains he is an exarch, the representation of your god to guide your people to go to war against Myxinirons followers.
This has taken long enough for her, so she sends her own representatives to end the conflict against her followers.
And again, maybe instead of instantly reacting to ONE Exarch smashing a couple raids and defending a chest as if my god just spat in yours' face, you could have said "if you don't cut that the hell out, this is going to become more than just a war"
Edit: And that's not how you worded your "complaint". You acted like, that by sending in my avatar to help defend the forces moving back, I somehow destroyed half of your army.
An AVATAR is more like a deific atom bomb. An exarch is like a deific general. It's saying "my god has an interest in this conflict". It's not like saying "I'm going to utterly destroy a huge chunk of your forces", that would be an avatar. An exarch is less so.
And again, maybe instead of instantly reacting to ONE Exarch smashing a couple raids and defending a chest as if my god just spat in yours' face, you could have said "if you don't cut that the hell out, this is going to become more than just a war"
The difference always frustrates me, but you've got a good point there. Deific MOAB then.
The grave lord had warned you to return before you entered the deadlands.
You ignored him.
Now, Myxiniron is done with warnings.
You see in the first one your goddess is allowing the conflict to continue, but she doesn't want divine interference, and so I suggested a way you could have removed that interference without overreacting. After that suggestion, you come at me with an explanation that I can't fight against you... PERIOD, because your goddess doesn't like it.
Ignoring any previous points I made it comes down to this.
You started to use your exarch in battle, letting him do his fair share of the killing. (doesn't really matter if it's for retreating or not)
The use of divine power in against her followers (even if it was in defence after the battle started to get worse for your own), Myxiniron wouldn't tolerate this.
Thus she sends her own exarchs (not seeing the point of warning you) to end it.
As for the ogres not leaving what they have taken, if the ogres don't leave deadland borders, the exarchs will take care of them.
And i was refering to the lands you invaded from the point after you first spoke to the grave lord.
Edit: plus, sending the Many after the ogres can be seen as divine punishment.
For the deadlands and the underrealm below are in fact holy ground in the eyes of Myxinirons followers. It's where they were born and created, and even more, in the underrealm below the deadlands is the very place where Myxiniron was born.
So actually, Myxiniron nor her followers see any reason to tolerate there existance near there lands any further.
How goes that expression, don't poke a lion....
Anyway, goodnight
And look at it like this. If you try and strong arm me into doing nothing with your three exarchs, I'm going to focus on getting avatars and exarchs so that you won't be able to to do that, and I'll try and get other gods to help, and then you'll try and get more and blah blah blah, it will turn into a divine cold war, where everyone spends their PP on exarchs so they have the most. Nobody wants that. don't be obstinate. My guys are going back to the border of the mountains, you get to be happy because you strong-armed me out of your territory (which is still annoying. All the gods more powerful than mine have more exarchs/avatars, which means my people would never be able to fight anyone. None of this would have happened if you'd just said "hey, could you not use your exarch, it's a little unfair and if you use him, I'll have to use mine, and you'll lose by default") And I get to be happy because my army is camped on the border.
You made one of the great tactical blunders. The first is never fight a land war in asia. The second, only slightly lesser know, is never get in a fight with a sicillian when death is on the line. And the third is never invade the deadlands. Literally, everywhere else is easier.
And yea, the Ogres got a nourish, and then the invaders got a nourish.
Edit: And that's something else that annoys me. It's the DEADLANDS. I honestly didn't expect to stroll in and take, I didn't expect that I would necessarily win, or even DO ALL THAT WELL. And yet, for all the fact that his armies outmatched mine by so much, and he's sending level 25+ guys at me all the time, I send ONE level 30+ to help kill a couple of his raids, and suddenly I crossed the line, suddenly my army which barely has anything stronger than a level 12 Ettin is worthy of the attention of three exarchs. I mean... SERIOUSLY? I'M the one who went overboard?
On another note, I picked out some theme music for my places, links in the wiki. I haven't done South Point yet though.
Your troops were denied food. Supply lines were cut. Unlike the orcs, you claimed the ogres relied partially on what they would find in the deadlands, but this wouldn’t be better.
Eating the flesh of the undead, even after boiling would still result in sickness. Many disease organisms are able to survive the high temperatures, by forming cysts, and become active once inside a host again, or because they are heat resistent, like thermofyles. These traits could easily been given to other disease forms, as it is the trade of the cancer mages.
Also, they were denied sleep and warmth, as the deadlands have a cold harsh climat and the constant wailing of the cloakers.
Soldiers deprived from good food, warmth and rest would quickly loose fighting spirit. It is how that Napoleon was defeated in russia.
Darkness formed yet another barrier. All your troops relied on light sources. Orcs and the swordwings have low light vision, but in the total darkness of the deadlands that doesn’t help. I asked ff6shadow for specifics about his soldiers. The swordwings turned out to be immortals, but besides that they were just like in the MM, so even quite powerfull, without proper vision, these troops could be outmaneuverd or ignored.
In the main combat, my forces would outmatch yours both in numbers and in power. Now at this point I still imagined Gorgor would still fill the role of a commander, not participating himself in actual fights. So even provoked by divine influence, it would still be a battle between mortals.
I see exarchs as divine agents of the gods. As long as they don’t interfere with mortals of other gods, then that is fine. Let them be leaders or guides for there people. Let them inspire there people to go to war. That is just the same as giving a mortal a vision (this is what Arturu would be).
However. When an exarch takes direct actions against mortal followers of another god, that would be the same as your god taking actions agaisnt them.
Now for the difference between exarch or avatar.
As said before, an exarch is a divine agent to act in the mortal world in that gods name. They are individuals, but there actions are of concequence to there owner.
An avatar, is that god, or part of that god, taking physical actions into the world by himself.
So that said, the use of your exarch against my troops wouldn’t have changed the outcome of the battle much, but the fact he started participating changed an important fact about the war.
Now, divine forces were taking direct actions to try and change the outcome of the battle. (guiding troops is one thing, actively joining them in battle is another) It doesn’t really matter if it was only in defence.
The avolakias and undead would have beaten the invaders anyway, but now, they would have to pay a lot more mortal resources to counter the divine interference. Without looking at actual lvls, an exarch is a being of immense power, both in fighting but also in presense.
It was of your divine actions with Gorgor, and thus, an action from Bosque and Brol, that would influence the actions or lives of her followers, that justified Myxinirons actions to send her own divine agents to stop it.
Hope this clarifies.
(side note: Myxiniron send 6 exarchs, (7 since The Many counts as 2). Not sure about the Grave Lord himself, since he is a PP exarch, but since this isn't a deitic battle, but just a fight between exarchs)
There are the DeepTouched halflings under Silenia (a very small band at this point, lacking any nourishes). Then there are the Tieflings in the north of Agrilia and south of Pravus' Lost; but to my knowledge, there aren't any DeepTouched Tieflings yet. Which group are you referring to?
As Wargs don't have a way to get to Silenia (remember, the underdark isn't a world-spanning one yet; it was created way back on pg 1 or 2 and SD specifically said it only spanned a few hundred miles), I'm thinking this is either the non-DeepTouched Tieflings on Pravus's Lost or Argilia. But I want to be sure before responding (of course, until Funk returns, if he does, I suppose anyone can use his Tieflings on Agrilia).
Also, I've got a stock of Tieflings that folks can maybe use if they ask nicely.
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Mephisto, I've made the same mistake as you before. A good thing to remember is to ensure that you have more exarchs and combat artifacts than the followers of the god your attacking. Though you may not have to use them, it tends to keep things even.
Also, the Deadlands are the worst possible place to attack. If you really want to launch a war this early, I suggest allying with the Goblins against the humans. Or, attacking the Efreet. Though, you'll have to nourish a little first.
Why?
I already made vampires so i hardly see any point in making another of basicly the same thing.
I flavored vampires differently, to have something else then the cliché bat & wolf vampire.
Another issue. Control over other undead would fall under necromancy and that is something Myxiniron would denie any of your followers, after the current events.
And it's not necessarily necromancy, so long as they aren't using magic to control them. Undead don't always follow the will of other undead because they're using necromancy (indeed many undead seen leading other undead don't use necromancy, it's just that undead hate the living but would still follow more powerful undead)
Also, necromancy is a kind of magic. It doesn't really seem like the kind of thing you can deny all of a gods followers, especially if those followers are already UNDEAD. I mean, a god of light can't deny other people light, or a god of psionics deny other peoples their minds.
Also, you should respect the way things were created before you joined the game.
And that makes no sense, what am I "not respecting"?
Necromancy is the 'art' to bind these shadow minions to the corpse.
This was done by Myxiniron to make a shadow cycle of 'true life'. It is also the way Myxiniron came into being, namley a dark shadow entitiy taking the corpse of a purple worm as it hosts morphing it into her current form.
The shadows become the puppet masters of this new body. Since all shadows awnser to Myxiniron, she has the ability to deny people control over them.
This info can be found in my first posts when i first created it.
Edit: here's the link to said post. http://forums.gleemax.com/showpost.php?p=16833238&postcount=197
My vampires are actually a disease, the only exception, and don't work as the 'shadow puppet' undead. But they are more like 'living undead', similar to warforged being 'living constructs'
When people die, there soul will go to Novirm, unless a specific god made a special bargain with Ongor or Myxiniron.
I don't know about you, but I don't see the point of having hundreds of different systems for undead.
Either way, control of othr undead is out of the question.
Edit: Also, despite being corpses, I'm probably just going to make the Vorgoulf into aberrations.
@Camu
Lighten up a little bit Camu. The thread is obscenly long at this point, and Mephisto has already said he didn't read the whole thing. He did read the wiki, and I looked, and necromancy isn't there.
He can't be expected to know the things that differ from standered 4E if no one posts them on the Wiki. Try to be a little less confrontational about things, we don't want to drive all the new players off!
Seeing as I don't want to constrict people's flavor and fluff, especially given the amazing stuff you can come up with, I am going to adjust my ruling.
Hence forth the new ruling is that any player can use up to two named PP generating artifacts that do not share the same type keyword.
Simply translates as I have 3 named PP generators. Say one for teach, one for populace, and one for create. I can only use two of those any given turn. Let's say I use the teach and populace artifact. This means I cannot use my create PP generated that turn.
This way a player can have fun and make various tools for jobs that fits into their flavor.
A result of this ruling is another ruling, each player can only use one global artifact PP generator a turn. Currently players are using the Wanderway as a teach PP global generator. If the library has 3 PP to augment it into a global artifact then it too will provide a teach PP or other indicated use.
This means that global artifacts need to have a clause for being accessed. The wanderway's clause right now is promoting trade and travel between nations.
Just like in 4.0 same named bonuses do not stack. So if you have 2 PP generators that name specific bonuses then tap into a global artifact PP generator that shares a named bonus from your previous two. Then you cannot use the global PP generator.
Example would be Kalosh using his library teach PP then gaining access to the wanderway teach PP. He can't use them both because they are the same named bonus.
One last thing I want to make available to the players as an option. Instead of modifying an existing PP generator to make a global PP generator. You can instead make a general global artifact that has whatever requirement you want. This global generator can then have one of your other PP generators plugged into it, plugged in the sense of a universal adapter so to speak.
For a global artifact to actually be a global artifact, besides spending the PP, it must be accessible by two other gods who meet the requirement. If it does not then the artifact cannot function properly.
I am sure some of you are scratching your heads thinking how does this make any sense at all. My best example to you would be pointing to enchanted items in 4.0. Some of these items have Daily Powers that you can use. However you can only use one once per day at heroic tier, two at paragon, and three at epic. This is in place because the items are drawing on your inner essence. To go beyond that limit would destroy you.
In this same vein think of your artifacts similar to highly refined items with divine enchantments and workings. You have your own essence representing your power through PP. These artifacts stretch your essence a little bit further for you. Using more than two of these artifacts would drain too much of your essence and cripple you. The exception being a global artifact that is used by multiple gods. By using a little bit of essence from each god it leaves just enough of you behind while still producing the extra effect for you.
This helps to explain the flavor of gods becoming drained, tired, and weak once they have expended all of their PP. These new rules should also encourage more team projects while opening up more opportunities for players to develop their own flare for artifacts and such. I hope this makes sense to everyone.
As always I leave the door open for people to ask me questions and to comment about this new change. Do you like this new change or would you prefer the old method?
It would be cool if folks could bold out the names of the characters affected by their posts. That way players who don't have time (or will) to sift through the five pages average that pop up every turn can got to the posts that affect them and their characters.
It makes the world a less time consuming place.
~End public service announcement~
Gadabout currently has access to 3ish artifacts that give him PP. The Trowel of Malbrig, and the WanderWay (since it gives both a general populous PP and a specific Teach PP to gadabout). I could use those artifacts to teach and to create, but then I wouldn't be able to get the benefit of the general populous PP, is that correct?
Or would the Teach PP, being a global effect, not count towards the "local" artifact max?
(or i misinterpreted it myself)
Been looking at the maps on the wikia recently. Does anyone else feel that the continents we have so far are kinda small compared to a real world.
Agrilia isn't much bigger then England.
I suppose we could make continents one at a time or make this another grand scale "point of light" kind of thing.
Or just assume there is land elsewhere.
Also
Been looking at the maps on the wikia recently. Does anyone else feel that the continents we have so far are kinda small compared to a real world.
Agrilia isn't much bigger then England.
There is that. But my real note was that even assuming Agrilia was continent sized, the others were only the size of a large island when you compared them. I guess they all need blown up, not just the ones not the mainland. I don't know whose doing the maps right now. But I hope they look! ;P
Lokathor was working on one, but I don't know how far he got. I'm working on one as well, but I suck at making maps (though I am considering using CIV4 to create a map instead). Actually, I'm pretty bad at distances too.
But rest assured, at least one person looked.
@Locke
Thanks
I am going to start statting out all my exarchs plus all the other homebrew monsters I made.
Also, I'm sorry to see you go Matt. Hope you get more free time soon.
Quite simply, their gates are a mortal effort, created through mortal magic. They can't break through the Stormwall to enter Silenia. The Orb of Storms within Mirage Tower specifically prohibits mortal magic from allowing entrance or exit to the continent.
The wall is stopping anyone from going through the wall, but what about over the wall?
Presumably its high enough to stop anyone from teleporting in through the side, but from above?
Was just wondering if we shouldn't add the game rules on the wikia, since the rules have been changing since the beginning of the game, like maximum exarchs, max artifacts, max pp from artifacts/exarchs, how long you can store pp etc...
Just a thought.
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Was just wondering if we shouldn't add the game rules on the wikia, since the rules have been changing since the beginning of the game, like maximum exarchs, max artifacts, max pp from artifacts/exarchs, how long you can store pp etc...
Just a thought.
I have been updating the wiki every now and then in the various spots where the rules relate to the given situation.
Though Matthew is not an active god anymore he specified that he would be maintaining control of all of his human cities through nourishes and guidance. Your actions at ellay also necessitate a 2 PP guide action. You also fail to take into account the elves, and Terra-Kai soldiers and citizens in Ellay. Not to mention that Ellay is still in a time of conflict with both the Kitsune and the Goblins. Your scenario does not make any sense in those contexts. Remember though Matthew is no longer the major presence there are at least two other players who would have a response to your actions in Ellay.
Capturing a Triloch, they began injecting it with air, adding spores whenever the skin became to thin. After three days, they had an Lochship. Then, they prayed to Lazarus to bless their work, he obliged.
Just as a note, Trilochs are incorporeal. I don't mind having one of them fiddled with, I just thought I'd make the note.
Also, the Tattered King has left the building (with said building in tow). He's no longer with the rest of the gods at the gathering.
@Locke Kant, alright, can I count the Nourish as the first part of the Guide?
I could use some details on Matt and Mindshred's new continents.
Feel free to do up Kalosh's continent. The only things of real note would be the city of Dolor near the center. Sort of a split between forests and plains, maybe some small hills near a coast.
Though... for some reason, I want to go play the old school Final Fantasy games now ;)
If he made it heavily pixelated, and made of little cubes.. You'd want to play 1, specifically. ;)
Much appreciated
Anyway, see you next sunday.
1PP from Trowel stored for Create Exarch
1PP from WanderWay stored for Teach action (specifically, Heroic Level racial feats)
1PP from WanderWay stored for Nourish action (specifically aimed at the Aasimari)
2PP stored for Nourish action (specifically aimed at the northern Tieflings)
2PP stored for create exarch action.
On the next subject, there isn't likely an "ancient tunnel to the kitsune islands. They were made well after Ongor's underdark. Unless Eckral purposly connected them, I don't see any tunnels from there leading to the kitsune islands without some PP.
First good job working on the map.
Second, my weekend got packed up alot thanks to family events and the super bowl. Hence why the refresh is late.
I'll be catching up shortly and posting the refresh sometime this morning.
Also, a lot of other creatures have been added to the wiki over the last two weeks. Have a look, if you want
As you said, the Orb thingy prevents travel from lesser artifacts. But the WanderWay is a 6pp artifact, so it would still work, yes? And the WanderWay is a gate to Sigil (sometimes, mostly just as the focus of the right rituals). So it would seem that travel from Silenia to Sigil would still be possible. As the WW is absent in Sigil, return travel wouldn't be possible.
Would you concur with such thoughts?
I wouldn't worry though. I'm working on something that is going to remove those protections anyway.
As a note, your Sidhari on Silenia are entitled to a trip out again, if they want to return home.
But even beyond that, you'd really need a guide action to get many people to listen to a crazy voice in their head.
But even beyond that, you'd really need a guide action to get many people to listen to a crazy voice in their head.
I didn't want to force the issue. Didn't really work out so well the last time I tried that, 'member?
But in a world where the gods are this active, I find it hard to believe that they'd write off simultaneous direct contact with a god as more than a 'crazy voice.'
Gotta love how every civilized race turns down eternal life with a half-hearted 'meh' and a shrug of their shoulders.
To be fair the Terra-Kai believe in Ra'Ver-Alec and are fatalists as a result. For them the temptation of immortality is not nearly as strong for the others. This is mainly due to them not having a fear of death.
To be fair the Terra-Kai believe in Ra'Ver-Alec and are fatalists as a result. For them the temptation of immortality is not nearly as strong for the others. This is mainly due to them not having a fear of death.
To be doubly fair, such information regarding the Terra-Kai is already in the MM. Just replace "Raven Queen" with "Ra'Ver-Alec" and you're good to go.
EDIT: Shadow, I was wondering if Swordwings would be showing up, since last time an orc lost an eye they did. However, I am curious, how did they get to Silenia in any degree of numbers? If I recall, travel to there from any plane has been blocked.
I was asking because there are other immortal creatures that haven't had any screen time in too long.
This makes the game a bit boring for me, especially as the admin. Thus I have the dreaded burn out of playing and managing a game. A result of this is that I am going to bow out of the game. Now this means everyone can let this LoC come to a close, or Shadow can continue on as the Admin, posting refreshes, and making rulings.
I plan on spending the rest of my 7 PP 1 populace PP and 1 teach PP in my next post. I do plan on waiting a little bit to see everyone's response. This may also mean that there may not be a refresh tonight.
With this PP reset, I was able to finish up everything I really wanted to get done, so I'll be mostly withdrawing from the game as well. I'll still be trying to get the wikia up to date with various bits of info, and finish stating up various creations that I've been too lazy to do yet.
Thanks, everyone, for a great game and wonderful inspiration. Its been fun.
On one last issue, if the game keeps going on for a while, you can assume that the WanderWay alternates between giving a nourish to the Aasimari and Halflings. The rest of Gadabout's powers can be assumed to be directed at adding fluff movement to the world (creating currents, jetstreams, etc).
~Thought
Additionally, Goblin's having computer problems. I'll check with him today, and if he can't respond by tonight, yes, you can lay siege to their capital.
It's a giant, open ended war. You're all free to take your sides and do your deeds. I'd prefer the war was open-ended. That is to say, that DM's get to decide for themselves how the wars ultimately turned out.
And while it doesn't matter, I'd like to remind Eckral my forces do have some order.. namely.. The majority of my forces(By Number) Are dragonborn which you blessed long ago... SO HAH! ;P
Of course.. They're fighting honorably.. Probably not killing innocents and all that.. But that's where Dragons, Elementals, and the avatar come in.
And.. Darn you Locke. I thought you were gone, otherwise I would have waged my DM-Decision war on your Shadar-Kai instead of the elves, so that they'd actually be involved in a conflict.
I'm going to make my final post tomorrow