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#1
haferka
Apr 08, 2009 20:00:51
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AGLA1-3 The Worst of All Snares
#2
_Mithreinmaethor_
Apr 08, 2009 20:04:13 There are not feats or any other rules to allow them to train in or use them.

I would assume that they could use them as improvised weapons (1d8 dmg and no Proficiency bonus) with no special abilities that the weapon may have.

Of course if this were a home campaign then you would be free to do whatever you wished to do. But its not so the above is most likely the only choice that you will have.
#3
haferka
Apr 08, 2009 21:45:12 Has anyone else spotted other mundane equipment in mods that are non-standard?

I think it would be a really cool Dragon Article for someone to flesh-out items like this.
#4
_Mithreinmaethor_
Apr 08, 2009 21:48:54
Has anyone else spotted other mundane equipment in mods that are non-standard?

I think it would be a really cool Dragon Article for someone to flesh-out items like this.

Sorry, offf topic, but how is College Station? I need to make it back down for Aggiecon again.
#5
haferka
Apr 08, 2009 22:00:13 CS is "less active" for RPGA since LG ended.. always growing.. I think we have a half dozen major building going up on campus.. and they are always building new apartments around town.

You just missed Aggiecon. And since the MSC is being torn down at the end of this summer, (major rebuild.. estimated 3 years before the new building opens), I don't know where we will be having aggiecon next year.. there aren't alot of places around town with the necessary space.
#6
_Mithreinmaethor_
Apr 08, 2009 22:30:19
CS is "less active" for RPGA since LG ended.. always growing.. I think we have a half dozen major building going up on campus.. and they are always building new apartments around town.

You just missed Aggiecon. And since the MSC is being torn down at the end of this summer, (major rebuild.. estimated 3 years before the new building opens), I don't know where we will be having aggiecon next year.. there aren't alot of places around town with the necessary space.

Man that sucks. But at least everything will be nice and shiny and new. I hope that Aggiecon can survive the changes.

I think we only have 1 real hold out after LG died and LFR began. Not so sure we can get him to switch over. He is pretty resistant to change. But we have gained several new players so its all good in the end for us with LFR.
#7
haferka
Apr 08, 2009 22:50:24 If they bring back the "interactive" format for conventions.. instead of the "special".. people will return in droves..
#8
Madfox11
Apr 09, 2009 4:11:42 Well, one thing to keep in mind is that in case of monster mechanics it is not always particular important that the attack powers fit the item used. More often then not the exact item is just fluff. In this particular case, it is best to assume that not only the special side effects are the cause of monster training, but the damage as well.
#9
Dragon9
Apr 09, 2009 8:00:16 Yeah, that's the oddball thing abot 4e... monsters don't really carry equipment. Unless it's listed in their equipment list that is.
#10
haferka
Apr 09, 2009 8:44:03 I agree.. BUT.. I think you could easily create a few crunchy items (Barbed Whip + Feats.. based on the encounter presented in the module..)

I want to know if anyone has spotted any cool monster attacks that could be converted to crunchy material for players.

I think it would be rather cool if we fleshed these rule elements together.. then submitted an article to dragon with the results.
#11
gomeztoo
Apr 09, 2009 9:09:47 Isn't a barbed whip a scourge?
#12
haferka
Apr 09, 2009 10:36:42 sounds like one.. except in this case .. the whip still had reach.. and I don't think a scorge should have reach.
#13
KarmaInferno
Apr 09, 2009 10:51:50
Yeah, that's the oddball thing abot 4e... monsters don't really carry equipment. Unless it's listed in their equipment list that is.

Yah. PCs derive their stats from all the gear, feats, and classes they have.

NPCs just have stats, how they got them is irrelevant.

Big change that a lot of folks still have difficulty wrapping their heads around.

-karma
#14
MarkB
Apr 09, 2009 12:54:07
Yah. PCs derive their stats from all the gear, feats, and classes they have.

NPCs just have stats, how they got them is irrelevant.

Big change that a lot of folks still have difficulty wrapping their heads around.

Which means that it isn't even necessarily the whips doing the 1d8 damage - it's the monsters using them. I'd say the simplest solution is to treat them as normal whips when wielded by a PC.
#15
Alphastream
Apr 09, 2009 14:29:11 If some player wanted to use the barbed whip, I would be tempted to allow them to use it for the mod saying "the whip seems to be poorly built. The binding is coming undone and the barbs seem to be losing their edge. You think it will far apart in about a week..." (and then make it clear you are allowing them the benefit to reward their question, but that they don't get to keep it).
#16
gomeztoo
Apr 09, 2009 16:03:50 That would be fair enough. After all. the main issue isn that you can't take it from the table since you don;t have access to barbed whips.
Note btw that a PC would not be proficent in it, and thus not have an proficiency bonus, so it probably isn't such a great choice.
#17
Alphastream
Apr 10, 2009 13:55:37 If they were proficient in the whip, I would allow that to transfer to the barbed whip. Again, for the mod. I'm a fan of players coming up with stuff. It doesn't happen enough in D&D.
#18
Keithric
Apr 10, 2009 20:32:03 It's not really 'coming up with something', and it doesn't lend itself to verisimilitude to have them randomly able to use an item briefly then not later.

So, as a general rule I don't think it's terribly worthwhile, but if it's consistently fun and doesn't cause issues for your group, whatever.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
#1 haferka Apr 08, 2009 20:00:51	Show AGLA1-3 The Worst of All Snares
#2 _Mithreinmaethor_ Apr 08, 2009 20:04:13	There are not feats or any other rules to allow them to train in or use them. I would assume that they could use them as improvised weapons (1d8 dmg and no Proficiency bonus) with no special abilities that the weapon may have. Of course if this were a home campaign then you would be free to do whatever you wished to do. But its not so the above is most likely the only choice that you will have.
#3 haferka Apr 08, 2009 21:45:12	Has anyone else spotted other mundane equipment in mods that are non-standard? I think it would be a really cool Dragon Article for someone to flesh-out items like this.
#4 _Mithreinmaethor_ Apr 08, 2009 21:48:54	Has anyone else spotted other mundane equipment in mods that are non-standard? I think it would be a really cool Dragon Article for someone to flesh-out items like this. Sorry, offf topic, but how is College Station? I need to make it back down for Aggiecon again.
#5 haferka Apr 08, 2009 22:00:13	CS is "less active" for RPGA since LG ended.. always growing.. I think we have a half dozen major building going up on campus.. and they are always building new apartments around town. You just missed Aggiecon. And since the MSC is being torn down at the end of this summer, (major rebuild.. estimated 3 years before the new building opens), I don't know where we will be having aggiecon next year.. there aren't alot of places around town with the necessary space.
#6 _Mithreinmaethor_ Apr 08, 2009 22:30:19	CS is "less active" for RPGA since LG ended.. always growing.. I think we have a half dozen major building going up on campus.. and they are always building new apartments around town. You just missed Aggiecon. And since the MSC is being torn down at the end of this summer, (major rebuild.. estimated 3 years before the new building opens), I don't know where we will be having aggiecon next year.. there aren't alot of places around town with the necessary space. Man that sucks. But at least everything will be nice and shiny and new. I hope that Aggiecon can survive the changes. I think we only have 1 real hold out after LG died and LFR began. Not so sure we can get him to switch over. He is pretty resistant to change. But we have gained several new players so its all good in the end for us with LFR.
#7 haferka Apr 08, 2009 22:50:24	If they bring back the "interactive" format for conventions.. instead of the "special".. people will return in droves..
#8 Madfox11 Apr 09, 2009 4:11:42	Well, one thing to keep in mind is that in case of monster mechanics it is not always particular important that the attack powers fit the item used. More often then not the exact item is just fluff. In this particular case, it is best to assume that not only the special side effects are the cause of monster training, but the damage as well.
#9 Dragon9 Apr 09, 2009 8:00:16	Yeah, that's the oddball thing abot 4e... monsters don't really carry equipment. Unless it's listed in their equipment list that is.
#10 haferka Apr 09, 2009 8:44:03	I agree.. BUT.. I think you could easily create a few crunchy items (Barbed Whip + Feats.. based on the encounter presented in the module..) I want to know if anyone has spotted any cool monster attacks that could be converted to crunchy material for players. I think it would be rather cool if we fleshed these rule elements together.. then submitted an article to dragon with the results.
#11 gomeztoo Apr 09, 2009 9:09:47	Isn't a barbed whip a scourge?
#12 haferka Apr 09, 2009 10:36:42	sounds like one.. except in this case .. the whip still had reach.. and I don't think a scorge should have reach.
#13 KarmaInferno Apr 09, 2009 10:51:50	Yeah, that's the oddball thing abot 4e... monsters don't really carry equipment. Unless it's listed in their equipment list that is. Yah. PCs derive their stats from all the gear, feats, and classes they have. NPCs just have stats, how they got them is irrelevant. Big change that a lot of folks still have difficulty wrapping their heads around. -karma
#14 MarkB Apr 09, 2009 12:54:07	Yah. PCs derive their stats from all the gear, feats, and classes they have. NPCs just have stats, how they got them is irrelevant. Big change that a lot of folks still have difficulty wrapping their heads around. Which means that it isn't even necessarily the whips doing the 1d8 damage - it's the monsters using them. I'd say the simplest solution is to treat them as normal whips when wielded by a PC.
#15 Alphastream Apr 09, 2009 14:29:11	If some player wanted to use the barbed whip, I would be tempted to allow them to use it for the mod saying "the whip seems to be poorly built. The binding is coming undone and the barbs seem to be losing their edge. You think it will far apart in about a week..." (and then make it clear you are allowing them the benefit to reward their question, but that they don't get to keep it).
#16 gomeztoo Apr 09, 2009 16:03:50	That would be fair enough. After all. the main issue isn that you can't take it from the table since you don;t have access to barbed whips. Note btw that a PC would not be proficent in it, and thus not have an proficiency bonus, so it probably isn't such a great choice.
#17 Alphastream Apr 10, 2009 13:55:37	If they were proficient in the whip, I would allow that to transfer to the barbed whip. Again, for the mod. I'm a fan of players coming up with stuff. It doesn't happen enough in D&D.
#18 Keithric Apr 10, 2009 20:32:03	It's not really 'coming up with something', and it doesn't lend itself to verisimilitude to have them randomly able to use an item briefly then not later. So, as a general rule I don't think it's terribly worthwhile, but if it's consistently fun and doesn't cause issues for your group, whatever.