Help with character backstory? Is this legal?

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#1

anubis_reynard

Nov 28, 2008 12:11:50
Backstory revised, due to suggestions in the thread.

Rayne had a destiny.

Because of it, she was not slain by her fellows for her inability for physical combat. Instead, she was cast out by the tribe, and was taken up by a passing clergy of Silvanis.

She was taken into the order, and her wrathful tendancies were seen as a fitting match for the darker half of the god's portfolio. She grew quickly, as Gnolls are wont to do, and by her fourth summer, she had taken paladin vows and set off to smite the agents of civilization and unnatural order, with the blessings of both her patrons.


#2

jeffv

Nov 28, 2008 12:14:22
...and how is this character not chaotic evil? (Or evil, at the very least.) Remember that evil characters aren't permitted in LFR.
#3

anubis_reynard

Nov 28, 2008 12:32:49
That would be a problem.

One solution would be to put some temporal space between events, and allow my alignment to have shifted. Another is to have the killing done as an actual posession.

As I said, suggestions are welcome. I have a kewl character picture that I want to use as a portrait.
#4

kinevon

Nov 28, 2008 12:57:43
Equally, isn't Yeenoghu evil? And PCs are forbidden in the rules from worshipping an evil deity...
#5

amysrevenge

Nov 28, 2008 12:57:57
It's also not permitted to worship evil gods, even if you're unaligned.
#6

anubis_reynard

Nov 28, 2008 13:04:43
Well, that is, at least technicaly, not a problem. Unlike Asmodius, Yeenoghu is not a god. So technically, this character is an apostate- worshipping no diety.

I admit, that is twisting things a bit, but hey, it's fun.
#7

kinevon

Nov 28, 2008 13:17:31
Well, technically, if you brought that PC to my table, I wouldn't allow it, even if, technically, Yeenoghu isn't a deity. I think the key is the worshipping of an evil being, not that that being is, necessarily, a deity.
#8

anubis_reynard

Nov 28, 2008 13:23:31
Yea, and I expect to be turned away from a bunch of tables after my "fair warning" speach.

On the other hand, I hear non-strikers are fairly rare, so I should be able to play off being both a tank and a healer, with the promice that I will help my "Pack" of adventurers.

My backup is a more conventional Gnoll Swordmage.
#9

anubis_reynard

Nov 28, 2008 13:40:11
So, with the above caveats, how would people suggest I modify my backstory to be Unaligned friendly and closer to LFR legal?
#10

telvin3d

Nov 28, 2008 13:54:42
I think you are going to run into problem getting tables to play with. After all, people who are also big into roleplay aspects will refuse to play with you for character reasons. It's hard to justify many good characters trusting a worshiper of Yeenoghu.
And the rollplay people will object simply due to the guidelines violation.
#11

sdrowsfognik

Nov 28, 2008 13:57:37
So, with the above caveats, how would people suggest I modify my backstory to be Unaligned friendly and closer to LFR legal?

Well, I am kind of afraid of getting into another rules argument, but here are the relevant rules:

Select a deity for your character, if applicable. See the Forgotten Realms Campaign Guide or Player’s Guide for a list of deities available in the Realms. If you’ve chosen a deity from the Player’s Handbook, listed below is an equivalency chart so that you can convert your character’s choice to the appropriate campaign-specific deity. You may need to alter your character’s alignment slightly to align more properly with the Realms deity. If you have a Channel Divinity feat from the Player’s Handbook, it is a valid character option for the Realms-equivalent deity. The Forgotten Realms Player’s Guide will have Channel Divinity feats for all the Realms deities listed on the chart.

Character alignments must be unaligned, good, or lawful good. In addition, characters may not worship a deity with an alignment of evil or chaotic evil.

Paladins and Deities: As fervent crusaders in their chosen cause, paladins must choose a deity. Paladins choose a specific faith to serve, as well as an alignment. You must choose an alignment identical to the alignment of your patron deity; a paladin of a good deity must be good, a paladin of a lawful good deity must be lawful good, and a paladin of an unaligned deity must be unaligned.

My interpretation of those rules (just my interpretation mind you...) is that it will be impossible to be a Paladin of Yeenoghu in LFR.
#12

anubis_reynard

Nov 28, 2008 14:10:09
With the restriction of an unaligned god that woudn't nessisarally conflict with the concept, I'm starting to look at Silvanus.

"Silvanus is wild and unpredictable, given to tender acts of mercy and wild bouts of savagery."

This would give an interesting dynamic, if Rayne was rescured by the church of Silvanus as an act of mercy, killed a controversal choice of paladin, (political appointment?) and Silvanus allowed her to become a paladin in the dead's place.
#13

sdrowsfognik

Nov 28, 2008 14:23:26
Silvanus might indeed be a good fit. Also, Tempus is worth looking into. Tempus seems to fit conceptually, and the CD Feat for Tempus is probably the second most useful CD Feat out there.
#14

gomeztoo

Nov 28, 2008 14:25:56
I would personally have trouble playing with a character that is a bloodthirsty murderer.
A redeemed charascter, that migth work.
And a creature that becomes a paladin because he murders another one? That wouldn't fly in my game.

Gomez
#15

jeffv

Nov 28, 2008 14:26:37
Figure out what's most important to you in this backstory and build around that. I think the easiest way to do it is to figure the story part out first and then go from there.

That whole backstory would need to be toned down by quite a bit. Reading that backstory as a DM, I can't see you in any non-evil alignment. The fact that you're doing it because you're on a vision quest or whatever doesn't change that - the acts are evil in and of themselves. It's entirely possible to be edgy and dark without being homicidal, and killing a paladin because the voices in your head said so... I dunno.

I think that once you've got that figured out, you can reverse engineer who did it to you. Could be a lot of different things. Silvanus is a decent idea, or Kelemvor... Personally, I wouldn't have too much trouble with you coming up with your own exarch of a major deity, as long as the exarch was reasonably within that deity's pantheon and mechanically you're worshipping that major deity. (For example, my paladin worships Janakil, which is actually a 3.5 character of mine that went epic and completed the Demigod epic destiny in 3.5. Janakil worships Torm, and so in our game became an exarch of Torm. In mechanical terms - for Channel Divinity feats, for instance - my paladin worships Torm, and I'm fully prepared to play it as such if any DM I come across objects.) It's likely that not every DM would be OK with that. YMMV.
#16

anubis_reynard

Nov 28, 2008 14:39:32
Silvanus might indeed be a good fit. Also, Tempus is worth looking into. Tempus seems to fit conceptually, and the CD Feat for Tempus is probably the second most useful CD Feat out there.

Tempus would be... interesting.
"Respect and enforce the law, and honor your traditions."
Considering the "traditions" of gnolls... that might be pushing Lawful good to the limits.

I'm basically tying to keep the flavor of a wild gnoll- Savage and brutal, but loyal to his pack- and still be a playable character.

A gnoll paladin of Silvanus, with a destiny granted by Yeenoghu, would fit with how I want to play my character. The question, then, is to build the backround to support it.
#17

mwao_dup

Nov 28, 2008 14:42:15
So, with the above caveats, how would people suggest I modify my backstory to be Unaligned friendly and closer to LFR legal?

Another option is that your character originally thought that she was a Paladin of Yeenoghu, but it turned out that some exarch of Silvanus interceded.

And before your character started play in LFR, this was made clear to her.
#18

gomeztoo

Nov 28, 2008 14:48:43
Tempus would be... interesting.
"Respect and enforce the law, and honor your traditions."

Tempus is the unaligned god of War. You are thinking of Torm, I guess.

Gomez
#19

anubis_reynard

Nov 28, 2008 14:54:08
Ah. I misread.

Tempus is a possibility, but the question remains- how did a gnoll cub become a paladin?

Silvanus, at least, has the tender mercy aspect, which could have lead to her being adopted, and eventually ordained under her own merits. Not quite as showy as "stealing" paladinhood, but then, that was before I learned about the alignment restrictions.
#20

gomeztoo

Nov 28, 2008 15:08:58
A cub wouldn;t become a paladin, but an adult could as slomng as he was pious and managed to prove himself to the church.
One thing you migth wish to consider: many gnolls in FR (at least those in the Dalelands and environs) worship Malar insteadof Yeenoghu. Malar is an exarch to Silvanus, so it is not a very big leap for an unaligned gnoll to turn his worship there.
I would just forget about Yeenoghu. Worship Silvanus, and consider it your destiny to save the gnoll race by bringing them to worship him before they are destroyed by their own destructive rampage.
#21

jeffv

Nov 28, 2008 15:10:17
Couple of different avenues I could see to get you in with Tempus.

- Tempus-ites find an orphan and "adopt" it to train it for battle, knowing how valuable a fully-grown gnoll could be to whatever they're doing.

- If you've read the Drizzt books, the story of how Wulfgar fell in with the dwarves springs to mind. The child is essentially a spoil of war, someone takes pity on it in battle and raises it as something between an indentured servant and a son.
#22

sdrowsfognik

Nov 28, 2008 15:12:16
Tempus is the unaligned god of Max Damage. You are thinking of Torm, I guess.

Gomez

Fixed that typo for you Gomez. :D
#23

anubis_reynard

Nov 28, 2008 15:18:00
A cub wouldn;t become a paladin, but an adult could as slomng as he was pious and managed to prove himself to the church.
One thing you migth wish to consider: many gnolls in FR (at least those in the Dalelands and environs) worship Malar insteadof Yeenoghu. Malar is an exarch to Silvanus, so it is not a very big leap for an unaligned gnoll to turn his worship there.
I would just forget about Yeenoghu. Worship Silvanus, and consider it your destiny to save the gnoll race by bringing them to worship him before they are destroyed by their own destructive rampage.

Considering "adult" is 3 years old, she'd be found as a cub and be an adult by the time her novitiate is over.

And one of the points of the character, is that there arn't really many conflicts between the doctrine of Silvanus and the commands of Yeenoghu. I see it as roughly on par with a Dwarf worshiping Tenpus or Torm- even as a paladin, they'll still offer some prayers to Moradin, because of what they are.
#24

sdrowsfognik

Nov 28, 2008 15:32:42
Malar is an exarch of Silvanus now? I thought they were arch-enemies. Where did you get that info?
#25

kinevon

Nov 28, 2008 15:55:10
Malar is an exarch of Silvanus now? I thought they were arch-enemies. Where did you get that info?

FRCG page 63, The Deep Wilds
FRCG page 115, Dambrath Lore
#26

anubis_reynard

Nov 28, 2008 15:58:01
I've revised the OP with the newer version of the backstory.
#27

sdrowsfognik

Nov 28, 2008 16:16:25
FRCG page 63, The Deep Wilds
FRCG page 115, Dambrath Lore

Thanks, I just read it. I missed that completely.
#28

sdrowsfognik

Nov 28, 2008 16:19:35
I've revised the OP with the newer version of the backstory.

Yup, Pally of Silvanus is perfectly legal, and as long as she's not too antisocial or "evil-ish" in play, you should get a long fine with most groups you play with. Have fun.
#29

jeffv

Nov 28, 2008 16:24:27
I've revised the OP with the newer version of the backstory.

Looks good to me. Enjoy!
#30

anubis_reynard

Nov 28, 2008 16:29:29
Yup, Pally of Silvanus is perfectly legal, and as long as she's not too antisocial or "evil-ish" in play, you should get a long fine with most groups you play with. Have fun.

Antisocial, no. I am aiming for a "Dark and gleeful" rather than "Dark and brooding."

As for evilish... well, she will naturally tend to be cruel, but the "pack" is off limits. (taunting the LG characters nonwithstanding)
#31

gomeztoo

Nov 29, 2008 5:12:27
Fixed that typo for you Gomez. :D

That wasn't a typo. It is just secret lore not intended for Infidels.

Gomez
#32

koushiro

Nov 29, 2008 5:45:11
Sounds like you put more thought into your character then a lot of people have. Nice picture too.

Hope you enjoy playing the game, thought remember that a back story doesn't really apply to any sort of game mechanics and wouldn't be common knowledge to people.

Just use it as a basis for determining how your character would react to things and don't volunteer anything more then your character would ICly.
#33

anubis_reynard

Nov 30, 2008 16:48:28
So, what region/backround would you suggest for this character?
(I've revised the stats to a STR Paladin with a MP fighter multiclass.)
#34

koushiro

Dec 08, 2008 6:29:38
Well where ever you feel comfortable being presently living. I don't really know. Waterdeep is pretty safe.
#35

Reylance

Dec 08, 2008 15:54:51
From a pure optimization standpoint, being from Aglarond allows you to take Perception as a class skill, which goes well with the race's skill bonus.

And... 3 years old? The Dragon article mentions that gnolls mature quickly, but I'm not sure it's that quickly. (I would like to see if there are other sources for the gnoll life span.)
#36

anubis_reynard

Dec 08, 2008 17:34:14
And... 3 years old? The Dragon article mentions that gnolls mature quickly, but I'm not sure it's that quickly. (I would like to see if there are other sources for the gnoll life span.)

That's 21 in dog years...
I dunno, that's not exactly something set in stone.

EDIT: Trained Skills of Intimidate, Heal, Religion, Athletics, Insight. With racial intimidate and training, I have +7 without anything in CHA. Is there a backround to enhance that furthur?

I see some Scales of War backrounds that look nice (wandering Duelist, in particular) but are they usable in LFR?
#37

Istaran

Dec 09, 2008 16:21:51
Scales of war backgrounds are not LFR legal. Check the CCG, LFR section. Only FRPG regions are legal backgrounds in LFR.