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#1 servingwench Aug 29, 2009 9:04:19	Hoping upper members of the RPGA read this and have a say. In Living City, I had a character that was a fun loving, story telling, bard like gnome, that used a crowbar for a weapon.  In LC, we where able to buy stuff from Aruora's catalog, which had the crowbar stated as a club. In reviving Bobder Odbala, Nilly Witgag(any one in the north east would have know him).   I would like approval on using a crowbar, crowbar looking club, as a weapon, not as an improvised weapon, possible even stated and certed, I liked adding enchantments on that crowbar.
#2 smerwin29 Aug 29, 2009 10:42:03	In general, campaign staff are not going to get involved with approving individual character quirks.  If it can be done through the rules, go for it.  You can have your club look like anything you want, as long as it conforms to the rules.  A crowbar was introduced into 4e in a Dragon article, and it costs 2 gp.  So just pay 3gp (1 for the club and 2 for the crowbar), and have fun with your crowbar-shaped club. Flavor things like this are great and we encourage this.  When it gets problematic is when people start attempting to cheese the rules.  "But my crowbar club is +1, so I should get that additional +1 to break down the door."  Just don't and save DMs the headache.  :-) Have fun!
#3 darthalias Aug 29, 2009 17:23:27	And don't use a shield or anything else in your off hand.  Because nobody else can do that and carry a crowbar and a weapon at the same time.  Well, maybe with a light shield, but you couldn't use it as a crowbar without dropping your weapon or shield (assuming the DM even let's you use it as a crowbar one-handed, which I wouldn't). Just sayin'
#4 Vamroc Aug 29, 2009 22:15:30	Hoping upper members of the RPGA read this and have a say. In Living City, I had a character that was a fun loving, story telling, bard like gnome, that used a crowbar for a weapon.  In LC, we where able to buy stuff from Aruora's catalog, which had the crowbar stated as a club. In reviving Bobder Odbala, Nilly Witgag(any one in the north east would have know him).   I would like approval on using a crowbar, crowbar looking club, as a weapon, not as an improvised weapon, possible even stated and certed, I liked adding enchantments on that crowbar.   Sorry a crow bar is a simple improvised weapon like a screw driver.
#5 Kurald_Galain Sep 01, 2009 4:33:27	I would like approval on using a crowbar, crowbar looking club, as a weapon, not as an improvised weapon, possible even stated and certed, I liked adding enchantments on that crowbar. Yeah, that's just fluff. Give your character a regular club (including whatever pluses or enchantments you can afford) and say that it looks like a crowbar. That's about as likely to get you into trouble as claiming that your elf character has a beard.
#6 CarlT Sep 01, 2009 5:17:54	First:  As several have noted - I see no reason why you can't just wield a club that just happens to look like a crowbar.  What matters from a rules standpoint are the stats of the weapon, not the fluff. Just keep in mind that, regardless of its shape, it is a club and don't try to pry anything open with it (and don't try to pass it off as anything other than a weapon when dealing with NPCs). And I see no reason why you couldn't just keep a second crowbar in your backpack for those times you really needed a crowbar.   But if you want to keep the small minority who value adherence to trivial issues (and ignoring the intended customizeability of 4E), there is another option. Pick up a "Belt of the Brawler".  This item (level 3, waist) allows you to make improvised attacks as if you were armed with a club. Carl
#7 Crodocile Sep 01, 2009 13:06:17	It may not fit your character, but a Ruthless Ruffian Rogue weilding a crowbar as a mace or club would be sweet.
#8 sithobi1 Sep 02, 2009 1:47:20	I would like approval on using a crowbar, crowbar looking club, as a weapon, not as an improvised weapon, possible even stated and certed, I liked adding enchantments on that crowbar. Yeah, that's just fluff. Give your character a regular club (including whatever pluses or enchantments you can afford) and say that it looks like a crowbar. That's about as likely to get you into trouble as claiming that your elf character has a beard. Elves with beards? The rules clearly do not allow for the existence of this "beard", and previous lore as established from 1st edition up until now support that "beards" are not something that elves may have. Now, some people may not consider this a roleplaying game, but as a true ROLEplayer and not a ROLLplayer, I would have to say that elves may not have beards. If you were at my table, I'd tell you to either shave your elf, or find a different table. :P