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| #1bgibbonsMar 10, 2010 12:48:03 | As part of a program to give stores an edge over online retailers, stores participating in WOTC programs were allowed to start selling PH3 last Friday, though the release date listed in the product catalog is next Tuesday. The current CCG states that Player's Handbooks are legal for use in the campaign "upon release". I am of the opinion that "upon release" means exactly that, and if WOTC has given stores permission to sell the book, it's released and legal for use in the campaign. I have, however, encountered a player with the opinion that the book is not legal until the release date in the catalog. Since there's a convention coming up this weekend, a definitive answer to give players would be nice. Any campaign staff want to express an opinion? |
| #2Dragon9Mar 10, 2010 16:18:39 | So far I haven't seen anyone disagree with the position you have taken. It's technically official release for those stores, so it should be fully legal. Especially since the legality no longer has a hard date in the CCG like it used to. |
| #3bgibbonsMar 10, 2010 17:13:46 | So far I haven't seen anyone disagree with the position you have taken. It's technically official release for those stores, so it should be fully legal. Especially since the legality no longer has a hard date in the CCG like it used to. I tend to think that's the correct position (but then, I would), especially as the product's full page description lists the release date as simply "March 2010". Beyond that, I tend to have the viewpoint that if I'm going to tell someone they've done something illegal with their character, I want to have it be clear and unequivocal that such is the case. Still, the individual in question has an e-mail from CustServ (and we all know what that's worth) saying it isn't legal in LFR until March 16th, and as he's judging at the con, I wouldn't mind having someone with a title weigh in on the issue. Because, hey, it's always possible I'm wrong. Judging from past discussions, divining the true intentions of the CCG's author is a bit of a tricky proposition. |
| #4Hibiki54Mar 10, 2010 17:55:14 | You buy it, you can use it. Just have it with you if no one else has it. |
| #5Mommy_was_an_OrcMar 10, 2010 19:29:19 | Still, the individual in question has an e-mail from CustServ (and we all know what that's worth) saying it isn't legal in LFR until March 16th, and as he's judging at the con, I wouldn't mind having someone with a title weigh in on the issue. "• Player resources are legal for character options. Each month, Wizards of the Coast releases more D&D game material through print products on sale at your local store or on our website through Dragon and Dungeon magazines. "• The DM cannot specify what rules elements are or are not allowed for characters. This Character Creation Guide determines the legality of player resources for characters, not the DM." I'd point out those two rules. The game material was released through a print product and bought at a local store. It is now a legal player resource by that rule alone. And the 2nd rule is highly relevant as well - it isn't up to the judge to decide what is a legal resource is, it is up to the Character Creation Guide to do that. i.e. is PHB3 listed as a potentially legal resource? Yes, PHBs are legal upon release. Is material in PHB3 explicitly not legal, similar to Dragonmark rules from Eberron? No, all material in PHBs are legal. ------- The judge shouldn't have a leg to stand upon here. If the player has the book with him, that judge can't legally tell the player that he can't use the material. Perhaps the simplest solution is just to simply not allow the judge in question to come near the lower level mods as that makes it much more likely it won't come up. |
| #6Kurald_GalainMar 16, 2010 7:30:39 | Obviously, a book is "released" from the moment it is available in stores. Unless that DM is suggesting (and somehow able to prove) that you obtained your PHB3 by sneaking into WOTC's underground lair and taking it from the trapped megavault guarded by zombie golems, the fact that you have the book with you should be sufficient to convince anyone. |
| #7Dragon9Mar 16, 2010 7:59:15 | Especially since core stores are now allowed to sell at the beginning of the month. Thsi just means some people will get it early and be able to start using it. |
| #8OreMar 17, 2010 6:58:36 |
I think these rules alone have you completely covered. The con I attended this last weekend had PHB3 characters all over the place. Obviously, they were all in the low tiers but they were there. We had one player ask about whether they were legal and the organizer said the book was purchased from a premiere store that was allowed to sell them early so that meant the book was legal to use. |
| #9Joshua_RandallMar 23, 2010 9:46:50 | you obtained your PHB3 by sneaking into WOTC's underground lair and taking it from the trapped megavault guarded by zombie golems *yoink* Thanks for the plot of my next MYRE adventure. |
| #10UthracMar 23, 2010 9:53:02 | Your MYRE should be the new characters sneaking out of the vault . . . |
| #11Dragon9Mar 23, 2010 18:13:31 | By the way... PHB3 is legal now. Still not sure about Warforged though... |
| #12Joe_ShillMar 24, 2010 13:50:21 | By the way... PHB3 is legal now. Still not sure about Warforged though... Wait! They're coming out with Warforged??? |
| #13ThanlisMar 24, 2010 14:10:26 | By the way... PHB3 is legal now. Still not sure about Warforged though... Only for Dark Sun. |
| #14kenobi65Mar 24, 2010 14:45:15 | Slaps all around. Ya buncha maroons! ![]() |
| #15Kurald_GalainMar 31, 2010 6:38:21 | you obtained your PHB3 by sneaking into WOTC's underground lair and taking it from the trapped megavault guarded by zombie golems You're welcome. Please do tell how that turned out ![]() |