Playtest Classes

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#1

22_Over_7

Dec 14, 2008 13:34:54
So I tried an Orc Barbarian, but I was hoping to be the Thaneborn-type (because STR/CON dependency leads to spectacularly low Defenses). When Player's Handbook II comes out, will I be allowed to change the class feature, or am I stuck with Rageblood? It seems to me that for Playtest classes, you ought to be allowed to do a complete rebuild.
#2

_Mithreinmaethor_

Dec 14, 2008 13:56:27
It depends upon how they append the CCG when the book is in print. They did allow something similar for the Swordmage. Have to keep the same stats and race but could change other features of the class. It is possible that they will do this for the playtest classes. But no guarantee's
#3

22_Over_7

Dec 14, 2008 14:08:16
I'm sorry, but I don't see that in my copy of the CCG (1.7). Can you point it out to me?
#4

_Mithreinmaethor_

Dec 14, 2008 14:19:24
CCG v1.7 - Page 2

Playtest Classes: If you chose a class that was released as a playtest in Dragon Magazine, when the class is published in a later rulebook, you can retrain out any feats, powers, or skills – not just one of your choice.

I see that you were looking for Class Features. And it does not state that it can be changed. Sorry
#5

Dragon9

Dec 14, 2008 23:42:29
Changing class features is a no-no. It's something that needs to be weighed when adopting a class early like that.
#6

qstor

Dec 15, 2008 10:21:19
Has anyone made a Bard? It seems like most of the abilities aren't fleshed out like Majestic Word and Multiclass Versatility. I was thinking about it but reading it over it doesn't seem complete.

Mike
#7

kenobi65

Dec 15, 2008 10:47:37
Has anyone made a Bard? It seems like most of the abilities aren't fleshed out like Majestic Word and Multiclass Versatility. I was thinking about it but reading it over it doesn't seem complete.

I've seen a couple of bards; they're actually fairly effective.

There's an errata for Majestic Word; it had appeared correctly in the original publication of the article, but, when the "full issue" was published, there was a typo, collapsing Majestic Word and Words of Friendship into one "power". The errata restores Majestic Word to its expected, "heal twice an encounter" ability, but removes Word of Friendship entirely from the article.
#8

22_Over_7

Dec 15, 2008 11:47:33
I see that you were looking for Class Features. And it does not state that it can be changed. Sorry

I was afraid of that. Thanks.
#9

qstor

Dec 15, 2008 13:26:08
Kenobi, do you know where the errata is? Does it explain the multiclass feats "power"

thanks

Mike
#10

kenobi65

Dec 15, 2008 14:18:36
Kenobi, do you know where the errata is? Does it explain the multiclass feats "power"

Errata for Majestic Word is here:
http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/4news/20081209

No, it doesn't explain the multiclass thing. As I read the Dragon article, what that means is that a bard is allowed to "multiclass" (i.e., take a basic multiclass feat) more than once. But, hey, I could be mistaken.
#11

_Mithreinmaethor_

Dec 15, 2008 14:31:18
Thanks for the errata. I would hope that they would not only publish that but also go back and correct the full pdf writeup and then repost it. Then all future downloads of it would have the errata in it. Just an idea
#12

Dragon9

Dec 15, 2008 15:45:13
It would be nice... but they have been resistant to update the PDFs in the face of obvious errors on more than one occasion. i think they are ocnsidering it like any other print product. One and done. Anythign wrong? Throw it in an errata article.
#13

qstor

Dec 15, 2008 17:34:39
I think there were at least two other abilities that were left out, the multiclass feature and another for the bard. I guess they're wanting people to wait for the 4e PHBII.

Mike
#14

Dragon9

Dec 15, 2008 22:36:35
I believe that the previews are really meant to just whet our appetites for the book they're beign released rather than a full fleged playable offering. Take the Invoker for example. It's a pretty full fledged offering, but the rules for summoning aren't there so Angel of Fire, the daily prayer, ends up being useless.
#15

gomeztoo

Dec 16, 2008 4:27:52
The multiclass ability is very obvious: You can multiclass in more than one class. It fits with the 'know a bit of everything' idea of the bard.
#16

qstor

Dec 16, 2008 21:40:36
The multiclass ability is very obvious: You can multiclass in more than one class. It fits with the 'know a bit of everything' idea of the bard.

So it just allows the PC to take more than one multiclass feat?

thanks Kenobi btw for posting the errata

Mike
#17

kenobi65

Dec 16, 2008 22:07:46
So it just allows the PC to take more than one multiclass feat?

As I noted upthread, that's how I interpret it, too.

thanks Kenobi btw for posting the errata

You're welcome!
#18

qstor

Dec 21, 2008 11:02:22
The multiclass ability is very obvious: You can multiclass in more than one class. It fits with the 'know a bit of everything' idea of the bard.

What about rituals? Just take 2 Arcane rituals from the 4e PHB for a starting bard?

Mike
#19

Dragon9

Dec 21, 2008 14:13:38
No, you only get one. This was mentioned somewhere else by one of the higher ups. Basically since there are no Bard rituals printed yet, you can't take one. It's one of the drawbacks to playing a playtest/preview class. Once the book is released you can then take the ritual you are suppsed to have.
#20

jeffv

Dec 22, 2008 10:47:34
No, you only get one. This was mentioned somewhere else by one of the higher ups. Basically since there are no Bard rituals printed yet, you can't take one. It's one of the drawbacks to playing a playtest/preview class. Once the book is released you can then take the ritual you are suppsed to have.

Can you? Adding a bard ritual after the fact is essentially doing a retrain, and the playtest class retraining rules only allow retraining of feats, skills, and powers - not rituals. I was under the impression that if you're playing a playtest bard, that particular ritual slot would be forever empty on your character but that you'd be free to find / purchase bard rituals as normal once the book's released.

(If I'm wrong please correct me... I'm sure my bard would like to magically sprout a new ritual for free a few months from now.)
#21

Dragon9

Dec 22, 2008 11:43:27
Can you? Adding a bard ritual after the fact is essentially doing a retrain, and the playtest class retraining rules only allow retraining of feats, skills, and powers - not rituals. I was under the impression that if you're playing a playtest bard, that particular ritual slot would be forever empty on your character but that you'd be free to find / purchase bard rituals as normal once the book's released.

(If I'm wrong please correct me... I'm sure my bard would like to magically sprout a new ritual for free a few months from now.)

From the mouth of Mr. Tulach from this thread:

The answer is yes, you can use the bard when the issue is compiled. If there's an element mentioned in the class that cannot be referenced at the moment, they do not gain that element until such time as the element is released. For example, there's mention made of bard rituals, but none given in the column. This means that a 1st-level bard will be short one ritual, since they cannot select bard rituals with the material they have on-hand.

Maybe you're readin git differently then I do, but it seems ot me that once the book is released, you get that Bard ritual that you should have had. (You get the class features you didn't have rules for, so why not the ritual?)
#22

jeffv

Dec 22, 2008 11:48:09
I see what you're saying there, and reading it again I think I agree with you... still a bit ambiguous to me, though. (The first part of that implies that you'll get the missing class features when they're released, and it sounds like he's using rituals as an example of that. However, he also specifically says that a bard will just be short one ritual...) Ah well. You're probably right. My brain's just interpreting that in the way I expected it to work and I never tried to think of it any other way.
#23

tyweise

Dec 24, 2008 12:31:04
So, just to be 'That Guy', could you decide to make a Thaneborn barbarian now, with the Thaneborn class build option being an "element mentioned in the class that cannot be referenced at the moment"? :D
#24

Dragon9

Dec 25, 2008 1:19:12
lol... no.