You can’t receive treasure from another player character. You can pay for expenses as a group (like ritual costs, bribing for information, paying for passage, etc.), but you can’t receive gold, magic items, rituals, or any other treasure from another character. You can lend another character an item for use for the adventure, but it must return to the owner at the end of play. In addition, you cannot permanently alter another player’s magic item (or other equipment) in any fashion.
The spirit of the rule is that we don't want people giving each other equipment to keep or sell which could result in any character having an unfair abundance of equipment.
Shawn
LFR Global Admin
We assumed that but we weren't 100% sure. Since we were sub level 5 at the time the only way to get them was through bundles.
One other question for you, there is a mod that gives you a bigger potion, one of the level 15 ones, the mod says it's ok for anyone to take the bundle because it's a level 10 item (not true really) but for that particular bundle, will I need to be level 11 to "use" it or can that be consumed at any time. Regular healing potions always fit in the +4 item level range so never brought up the question.
Shawn
LFR Global Admin
You cannot use a magic item more than 4 levels above
your character’s current level. If you choose a magic item
more than 4 levels above your character’s level at the end
of the adventure, you can only use it when your character
is at the item’s level – 4. You can however use
consumables (such as potions) that are more than 4 levels
above your character’s level if you find them in the
adventure.
I would think that means that a level 15 potion of healing, whatever it is called, would be usable on a 1st level PC, even though it would heal enough to bring some of them from dead to fully healthy. ;)
For permanent magic items, the rules as I understand them are that you can use stuff that you find during a mod for the duration of the mod (and only one character can use each item found) in this way, but that you only then keep the item at the end of the adventure if you take it as a bundle (so you can use a magic item without a slot available for the duration of the mod)
If the potion was found and consumed during the adventure, would that require the character to take the 'potion' option for treasure at the end of the adventure, or would it count as having been used during the mod in the same way as the permanent items above?
If the potion was found and consumed during the adventure, would that require the character to take the 'potion' option for treasure at the end of the adventure, or would it count as having been used during the mod in the same way as the permanent items above?
We had the same thing come up on more than one occasion. What we've done so far is that the potion is held by one character for the duration of the adventure. If the potion is still unused at the end, it disappears into bundle-land where it can be selected by any and all, the same way a permanent magic item found mid-module would. If the potion is used during the module, then it's gone - there's nothing to go into bundle-land at the end, so there's no potion bundle to be taken (for anyone) at the end of the module. All that's left is the lettered bundles and more gold - no potion plus gold to be found.
So far it's never actually come up, we've got enough potions floating around that we've always got at least that one left over at the end, but it seems the most logical solution to us. I'd definitely be interested in hearing what the admins have to say, though.
If the potion was found and consumed during the adventure, would that require the character to take the 'potion' option for treasure at the end of the adventure, or would it count as having been used during the mod in the same way as the permanent items above?
To the best of my knowledge, there is no official ruling on this. How I play it is:
Players can use potions found in the adventure if they wish. If they do, they do not need to take that as the bundle. Also, since you actually have to pay for the potion if you take it in a bundle (as opposed to the regular magic items, which you get for free), then you can take the potion/consumable bundle even if the potion/consumable was used during the adventure.
Shawn
LFR Global Admin
So it's cool if when I'm knocked out and have no potion for someone to use theirs on me, and at the end I take one as a bundle and give it back to them.
Sure. The real question is whether you have to do so.
Interpreting the rules to say that you can borrow a magic item from another PC and not have to replace it at the end of a module if you no longer possess the item is problematic, since that would allow you to lend an item to a PC with the intention that he sell the item and keep the gold for himself.
Then again, that is far from the biggest loophole in this section of the rules, and the amount of gold that can be transferred using this method is relatively small, so this is probably not that big of a deal.
Generally, whether to replace potions or trust it all balances out in the end is the sort of discussion you want to have at the beginning of an adventure (perhaps with the group having commonly accepted ground rules), since it can be slightly awkward at the end of a module if everyone is not on the same page.
Keith
The spirit of the rule is that we don't want people giving each other equipment to keep or sell which could result in any character having an unfair abundance of equipment.
Maybe the wording could be changed into something like:
"In addition, you cannot permanently alter another player’s magic item (or other equipment) in any fashion that gives an advantage to either of you that couldn't have been done exactly the same way by using a NPC".
I would love to use my enchant magic item ritual to make weapons for fellow PCs. For them it would be exactly the same as if they had just bought them from an NPC with neither of us saving/earning even a single copper from it. No difference between saying "and please substract X gold from my treasuse because I buy a +x item somewhere" and saying "and please substract X gold from my treasure because I give it to PC Y to create a magic item for me"
Actually I would even lose some money from it because I would brand anything I create with my personal arcane mark (thus losing 10gp per item made) because I like the idea of a lot of magic arms and armor being around which reveal my personal arcane mark upon being inspected with detect magic.