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#1
michaeltlh
Jun 04, 2009 10:03:59 Okay, so I'm trying to figure something out...

Set-up:
Windsoul Genasi Swordmage using Lightning Lure... has the Arcane Familiar feat and has chosen an Arcane Eyeball...

Relevant portions of powers:
Lightning Lure
At-Will Arcane, Implement, Lightning
Standard Action Ranged 3
Target: One creature
Attack: Intelligence vs. Fortitude
Hit: 1d6 + Intelligence modifier lightning damage, and you pull the target to the nearest unoccupied space adjacent to you.
Increase damage to 2d6 + Intelligence modifier at 21st level.
Special: If you cannot pull the target to an adjacent square, this power fails and deals no damage.

Arcane Eye
Speed fly 6 (hover)
Active Benefits: Once per encounter, you can determine range, line of sight, and line of effect for one ranged arcane implement attack from the eye, and you ignore concealment (but not total concealment) for that attack.

So here's my question...
I move little Squinty up 6 squares and voila! there's a goblin barely hiding inside a bush! Can I use Squinty's square as the origin point for my lightning lure, and if I do, does it pull him to Squinty or back to me, 6 squares away?
#2
chainlink
Jun 04, 2009 10:13:35 You could certainly activate Lightning Lure through the familiar.

It seems to me that it would still pull the goblin adjacent to you, since the familiar's power doesn't make it "you". You're still the one attacking, even if it comes from out of the familiar.
#3
DeathMutantLives
Jun 04, 2009 10:21:10 I would rule it that you represents the caster of the effect which, in this case, is your familiar serving as a proxy for yourself so the Lightning Lure would pull an enemy towards your familiar.
#4
Bigfluffylemon
Jun 04, 2009 10:23:33 There's a rules Q&A forum for these posts.

http://forums.gleemax.com/forumdisplay.php?f=868
#5
michaeltlh
Jun 04, 2009 11:14:01
There's a rules Q&A forum for these posts.

http://forums.gleemax.com/forumdisplay.php?f=868

Thanks! I'll go ask it there, then.
#6
chainlink
Jun 04, 2009 13:02:30
I would rule it that you represents the caster of the effect which, in this case, is your familiar serving as a proxy for yourself so the Lightning Lure would pull an enemy towards your familiar.

Even though the effect seems to be coming from the familiar, it's not casting the spell. The PC is the caster.

If a Warlock cast Vampiric Embrace through his Arcane Eye familiar, the PC would be the one to gain temp HP, even though the effect seems to have come from the Eye.

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#1 michaeltlh Jun 04, 2009 10:03:59	Okay, so I'm trying to figure something out... Set-up: Windsoul Genasi Swordmage using Lightning Lure... has the Arcane Familiar feat and has chosen an Arcane Eyeball... Relevant portions of powers: Lightning Lure At-Will Arcane, Implement, Lightning Standard Action Ranged 3 Target: One creature Attack: Intelligence vs. Fortitude Hit: 1d6 + Intelligence modifier lightning damage, and you pull the target to the nearest unoccupied space adjacent to you. Increase damage to 2d6 + Intelligence modifier at 21st level. Special: If you cannot pull the target to an adjacent square, this power fails and deals no damage. Arcane Eye Speed fly 6 (hover) Active Benefits: Once per encounter, you can determine range, line of sight, and line of effect for one ranged arcane implement attack from the eye, and you ignore concealment (but not total concealment) for that attack. So here's my question... I move little Squinty up 6 squares and voila! there's a goblin barely hiding inside a bush! Can I use Squinty's square as the origin point for my lightning lure, and if I do, does it pull him to Squinty or back to me, 6 squares away?
#2 chainlink Jun 04, 2009 10:13:35	You could certainly activate Lightning Lure through the familiar. It seems to me that it would still pull the goblin adjacent to you, since the familiar's power doesn't make it "you". You're still the one attacking, even if it comes from out of the familiar.
#3 DeathMutantLives Jun 04, 2009 10:21:10	I would rule it that you represents the caster of the effect which, in this case, is your familiar serving as a proxy for yourself so the Lightning Lure would pull an enemy towards your familiar.
#4 Bigfluffylemon Jun 04, 2009 10:23:33	There's a rules Q&A forum for these posts. http://forums.gleemax.com/forumdisplay.php?f=868
#5 michaeltlh Jun 04, 2009 11:14:01	There's a rules Q&A forum for these posts. http://forums.gleemax.com/forumdisplay.php?f=868 Thanks! I'll go ask it there, then.
#6 chainlink Jun 04, 2009 13:02:30	I would rule it that you represents the caster of the effect which, in this case, is your familiar serving as a proxy for yourself so the Lightning Lure would pull an enemy towards your familiar. Even though the effect seems to be coming from the familiar, it's not casting the spell. The PC is the caster. If a Warlock cast Vampiric Embrace through his Arcane Eye familiar, the PC would be the one to gain temp HP, even though the effect seems to have come from the Eye.