I'm sure this is covered somewhere, but after a accumulating a few hours worth of searching I'm done looking. Please accept my apologies ahead of time.
If that doesn't work for you, the next line says, "Your DM decides if an item he or she places in an adventure is a component item, and you can craft these items as normal." So have the guy running the adventure ok it and you should be fine.
If that doesn't work for you, the next line says, "Your DM decides if an item he or she places in an adventure is a component item, and you can craft these items as normal." So have the guy running the adventure ok it and you should be fine.
Except that, in LFR, DMs aren't allowed to rule on "DM decides" issues like that. Your local DM isn't the person who's placing items in an LFR adventure; that's the responsibility of the writer and the campaign staff.
Except that, in LFR, DMs aren't allowed to rule on "DM decides" issues like that. Your local DM isn't the person who's placing items in an LFR adventure; that's the responsibility of the writer and the campaign staff.
You guys have just summed up both sides of the argument we're having here.
You guys have just summed up both sides of the argument we're having here.
Except that by the CCG, Kenobi65 is correct. Anything that needs to be adjudicated on by the DM is not legal.
Interesting argument or not. See page 2 of the CCG 1.8
Content Never Accessible: There are a few bits of D&D game material that are never considered accessible to players (even if content from the resource is allowed), as it is too difficult to evaluate the content’s use in RPGA campaigns. This includes the following game content:
• Artifacts
• Content that specifies DM adjudication in order to be
used by a character
Your components fall into this category, by very definition.
"Your DM decides if an item he or she places in an adventure is a component item"
a) How can a warforged character obtain component items in LFR?
b) Can characters simply declare that bought/found items are warforged components, or must the items be specifically declared as component items in the adventure?
c)How can a warforged character obtain non-magical components in LFR?
Rules quotes aren't going to work. We've been throwing them back and forth for weeks now, and everybody reads them differently. We're all seasoned players, but our backgrounds have been colored by different things. Imagine Munchkin logic versus programming logic. We need something clear and succinct. Is there a better place to find it? I'll admit that I've been out of the loop since the end of LG, so I'm not even sure how to contact the head of the campaign. Thanks!
Frankly, I've been playing a warforged in LFR since August and I have several attached and embedded components and have never once even had a DM raise an eyebrow let alone complain or try to reject my character, so I don't see what the fuss is. Some people are just too uptight.
It does cost a bit more gold than non-componentized options, but it ends the rules arguments pretty handily.
Since any item can be made a component item at a cost of NOTHING with the enchant magic item ritual (the same as the cost to re-size armor) I don't see what the argument is really...since whether or not the item is a component at the time of find/purchase, it can be made a component at no cost afterward anyway...
Unless the character doesn't have the Ritual Caster feat, in which case they need to shell out for a ritual scroll at the market price. The character also has to be the same level or higher as the ritual.
Unless the character doesn't have the Ritual Caster feat, in which case they need to shell out for a ritual scroll at the market price. The character also has to be the same level or higher as the ritual.
Or just have someone else do it for them...or an NPC if the DM is willing, since availability of NPC's for ritual casting is up to DME...one of the regional admins on here suggested NPC casting at 120% of normal cost...but 120% of 0 is 0...so if the DM is cool with it, you can get as many of your item converted for free. I know I'd let anyone at my tables do it.
Or just have someone else do it for them...
Another player can't do it. The RPGA rules state that a player cannot permanently alter another player's items.
So can you start a new character with them ? I.e my warforged barbarian had 3 torch bearing skulls implanted in his chest.
No. components are magic items. You wouldn't be able to afford them with 100 gp starting gold.
And while you can describe your PCs appearance however you want you can't give it any sort of mechanical advantage.No. components are magic items. You wouldn't be able to afford them with 100 gp starting gold.
Components are not magic items in and of themselves. Magic items can be components, but nothing says you can't have mundane components. And since there is no price difference between a component item and a non-component, there's no reason a character couldn't have all their starting equipment be component items.
I stand corrected. However... there still aren't any torch bearing skulls listed anywhere as equipment.
Torch bearing skulls, RP way of saying three holes in his chest where torches can go, and a metal skull face lock them into place.
From Dragon 364. How is this making up my own equipment ?
Light Source: You can have a slot in your body capable of holding a torch, sunrod, lantern, or other lighting device. Such an attached component provides light while leaving your hands free.
If so, I think that's pretty sad - and would love to see a cert in a module that would give access to a docent somehow.
Light Source: You can have a slot in your body capable of holding a torch, sunrod, lantern, or other lighting device. Such an attached component provides light while leaving your hands free.
Note that the article allows a slot capable of holding a light source, not three.
Note that the article allows a slot capable of holding a light source, not three.
Why would it matter ? 1 torch or 3 torches held by the same person don't do anything differently mechanically. I smell rules lawyering!
Why would it matter ? 1 torch or 3 torches held by the same person don't do anything differently mechanically. I smell rules lawyering!
Well once you allow a single torch slot to be installed three times you open up the ability to install a wand in each arm, three times...and many many other rather naughty things would easily follow.
So what if you have 3 embedded wands? You can't use all 3 at once.
It's probably not worth the money but there are a number of wands in AV that give at-will spells as encounter powers. Being able to have them embedded removes the two minor action cost to draw and sheathe them.
More relevant would be 3 embedded rods, since to some degree their properties can be used at once, creating endless rules arguments over whether they break the game or don't work that way. As the arguments themselves break the game, returning us to the worst of 3.x, we would like to avoid them.
So what if you have 3 embedded wands? You can't use all 3 at once.
well, if all 3 wands had a "Property:" you could still benifit from all 3 of those Properties, and use the enhancement & power from 1 of the 3 wands.
Why would it matter ? 1 torch or 3 torches held by the same person don't do anything differently mechanically. I smell rules lawyering!
As a secondary argument to being able to use too many of other items I'm going to point out a direct advantage to using 3 torches, lanterns, sunrods, or other lighting devices simultaneously. Magical effects on those items. Its that simple, in 3.0/3.5 there were special/magical light sources, even the marginally usefull like the old LG safety torch. This trend for magical lighting devices is no different in 4E, there are already a few wondrous item lighting devices and the list will only get longer as the edition persists:
Lamp of Discerning
Enshrouding Candle
Lantern of Revelation