1: Intro(this one)
2: FullBAB
3: Skill Monkeys
4: Divine Casters
5: Arcane Casters
6: Other Builds
7: Wealth Management
8: Access and Metaorg Management
9: Stat Management
Builds should ideally consist of the classes taken in order, good stat choices, the feats needed, and why the build is functional or better from levels 1-15 - and if it isn't, how to overcome the problems. Given it is likely to take 3-4 years to complete a build, a build which sucks from levels 4-8 isn't a good choice. If the build requires access, explain how to get it in a non-regional way. If there's a real big argument about the validity of an action, please take it to a different thread. Thanks.
Example: The Half-Orc Kill Things Dead:
Barbarian 2/Fighter 8/Occult Slayer 5
Str 20, Dex 12, Con 14, Int 8, Wis 8, Cha 6
1 Barbarian 1: Extra Rage
2 Fighter 1: Power Attack
3 Fighter 2: WF: Greatsword, Improved Initiative
4 Barbarian 2: Str 21
5 Fighter 3
6 Fighter 4: WS: Greatsword, Reckless Rage
7 Occult Slayer 1
8 Occult Slayer 2: Str 22
9 Occult Slayer 3: Melee Weapon Mastery(PHBII)
(etc...)
If you're wondering where the particular legalities of LG are, you can find current downloads here.
Quick primer is here
Specifically version 597 of Living Greyhawk and 2.0 of Deities.
Notes: Fighters are now a lot more viable, with the number of PHB II feats now available.
Tank Builds
MwaO Dwarf Ranger 3/Fighter 2/Deepwarden(RoS) 6/Exotic Weapon Master 1/Pious Templar 4
Karmic Strike Fighters
Various Exotic Weapon Master Uncanny Blow builds
Mobility Builds
MwaO Wood Elf Scout 1/Fighter 2/Barbarian 1/Marshal 1/Wildrunner 10
fghj171983 Monk 12/Pious Templar 3
Archer Builds
Timlagor Ranger 2/Fighter 12
Mounted Builds
Fighter 2/Paladin 12/Hospitaler 1(as build below, but add 3 feats to it)
solbergb Paladin 12
TWF Builds
solbergb Wood Elf Fighter 14/Exotic Weapon Master 1
LachlarlanIII Human Fighter 14/Barbarian 1
MwaO Rogue 4/Swashbuckler 7/Fighter 4
Charisma Builds
Bitznarf Half Elf Hexblade 3/Knight 3/Marshal 2/Monk 2/Outcast Champion 5
Divine 'FullBAB'
Various Cleric 15 builds - emphasis - if you think you can pull it off, the Dwarf builds are best
Starting up a weapon-using Rogue
Unseen Seer the Dip
Scout 4/Fighter 2/Ranger 2/Dervish 7
Rogue 3/Bard 3/Unseen Seer 4/Sublime Chord 1/Arcane Trickster 4
MwaO Human Bard 7/Master Thrower 2/Druid 1/Sublime Chord 1/Fochulan Lyrist 4
MwaO Rogue 3/Fighter 1/Wizard 2/Unseen Seer 8/Spellsword 1
Rogue 4/Fighter 2/Ranger 2/Thief-Acrobat 3/Nightsong Enforcer 4
Rogue 3/Swashbuckler 3/Fighter 2/Champion of Corellon 2/Dervish 5
Rogue 11/Ranger 2/Fighter 2
Bard 9/Marshal 1/Sublime Chord 5
Rogue 15
Rogue 2/Bard 2/Marshal 7/Exemplar 4
Marshal 9/Monk 2/Barbarian 2/Hexblade 2
Note that Sublime Chord and Fochulan Lyrist are very skill intensive prestige classes - you're going to want at least +2 skill points from Int and/or being Human each level. A major reason I haven't exactly spelled out these builds is that Rogues tend to be very dependent on what kind of attack sequence they do.
Cleric 6/Divine Oracle 2/Radiant Servant of Atroa(Travel Domain!) 6/Contemplative 1
Cleric 14/Contemplative 1 grants another domain
Cleric 6/Radiant Servant of Pelor 9 is your optimized healer/undead turner
kjenks Druid 15 Blaster
MwaO Cleric 15 Blaster
jstorrie Druid 15 Summoning/Blaster
kjenks the Seven Dwarfs I mean Druids
Wizard 6/Divine Oracle 3/Loremaster 6 - has evasion and a decent reflex save. If you get the access, Wild Mage works well instead of Loremaster.
Skill friendly casters
Rogue 1/Wizard 4/Unseen Seer 4/Arcane Trickster 6
Scout 1/Beguiler 4/Unseen Seer 10
The advantage of Wizard 6 is that you get to add +1 to all saves - it isn't a bad 'dip'
Divine Tanks
solbergb Barbarian 1/Druid 8/Warshaper 4/Ranger 1/Nature's Warrior 1
Gishes
MwaO Rogue 1/Fighter 1/Sorcerer 1/Monk 2/Unseen Seer 2/Enlightened Fist 8
Fighter 1/Wizard 6/Spellsword 1/Eldritch Knight 7 - relatively straightforward, near full caster/high BAB build with 2 extra feats. Fighter 1/Wizard 6 means you're about equal in feats with a Fighter 2/Wizard 4, but you're only down 2 vs 3 caster levels. Spellsword 1 is very useful for ignoring ASF from shields.
here
What to buy with your first two ARs
Summary:
Casters gain an advantage by burning experience for item feats because there's no real penalty for doing so. You won't be lower level than your peers and you're guaranteed downtime if you want it.
Skills:
Diplomacy
Core Summoning
Prepping for a Living Greyhawk Game
Judging a Living Greyhawk Game
Various Useful Links:
Finding spells
List of Open LG spells
List of Open LG equipment
Well Organized online SRD
What series is that mod in again?
Feats and Prerequisites in Technology Tree form
Post your build on a new thread.
Have people critique it.
After you feel it has been sufficiently critiqued, PM me with a link to the thread.
If I think it is worthwhile, I'll link to it.
Builds, especially flawed or ones that require explanation, should not be posted here. As an example, if your build requires a 17 Dex at 6th level and you use Strength to hit/damage, gloves of dex or levelling dex is probably not a great idea.
Anyone seen some good mounted builds?
This way, all the builds will be in this actual compilation.
Paladin and Faithful Companion:
The idea behind this build is to have a "mounted" build that uses the intelligence of the Paladin Warhorse, allowing the paladin to be in two places at once, much like druid+companion or fight mounted to concentrate force. The idea is to have two durable, moderate damage tanks, one of them size large, in the party. I've played too many games where the cavalry guy is either a size small guy that bad guys go around to get the squishies or he's a big tanklike guy that is never in the way because he does a lot of rideby attacks.
Spend some starting cash on a riding dog. Activate it with handle animal before taking actions of your own in the level 1-2 range (skill focus handle animal to make this automatic isn't a bad feat to have until you retrain it away at L3). Get a warhorse for level 3-4 play but keep the dog for when the terrain doesn't favor the warhorse. Once you have your
"real" mount, sell all the domestic stuff if it's still alive. (the horse may be worth keeping around until your mount is around 16 hr/day or more)
Halflings and gnomes need not apply. Every other race could be used for this build, although halfelf costs a feat and gives nothing back useful to the build and dwarves/halforcs aren't going to get as much out of the cha-based stuff....but con and str are both useful, so it isn't a horrible choice.
If nonhuman, get the intelligence to "10" and move one of the L1 feats to L3. With the new heavy armor available, dex can drop all the way to 10 if you wish to put points elsewhere. Spellcasting is important, you'll want that 14 wisdom, it'll give freedom for a con amulet and still let you get to the top tier Paladin spells. If you have a higher con (enough to give up amulet health and still be a tank) and/or mutt out to a nonspellcasting class that advances mount, you can get by with less wisdom. Below list assumes a human build.
Str 14 Dex 12 Con 14 Int 8 wis 14 cha 14. Skill points to animal handling and ride. After animal handling is +11, put points into other things. Statbumps to cha or strength or even constitution, your choice.
Paladin15 (mutted only to classes that advance the mount, and only if you
consider the class abilities better than the smite and spell progression of
straight paladin. This is a Paladin15 build, but some variants that keep the
same basic idea are out there)
Race optional. Human gives feat, others give attributes.
L1 power attack and possibly (feat)
L3 (feat)
L6 divine might
L9 extra smiting
L12 (feat)
L15 (feat)
open (feats) are probably best spent on offensive feats. This build is pretty durable from
an AC/hitpoint standpoint and has decent saves. While it is your job to interpose AND to damage, the paladin class all by itself gives sufficient defenses, if you support with heavy armor and make an effort to keep up with reasonable AC on the equipment front for both you and your mount.
If the build doesn't have full paladin mount advancement, it is not this build. This char will equip his mount with amulet of mighty fists+1 most likely and with good armor and cloak of resistance. Good mount feats include things like tunnel fighting or power attack/overrun. The paladin can fight mounted, or he and the mount can fight independently. Don't spend your precious feats on mounted combat stuff (that is also some other build).
This build assumes a warhorse base, but other durable mount choices are ok too. A flying mount isn't really necessary or even desirable if it is more fragile than the vanilla warhorse.
http://games.groups.yahoo.com/group/lgchardiscussion/message/18630
Personally I like this one:
STR14/DEX12/CON14/INT12/WIS15/CHA8
Bumps to WIS
1 Druid 1 Mounted Combat, Ride-by Attack
2 Fighter 2 Spirited Charge (and lance proficiency)
3 Druid 2 Power Attack
4 Druid 3
5 Druid 4 (dire bat animal companion)
6 Druid 5 CWI -> Improved Bull Rush at level 9
7 Druid 6
8 Druid 7
9 Druid 8 Shock Trooper
10 Druid 9
11 Druid 10
12 Druid 11 Lion's Pounce (CWI if you have access to Druid 3 - Lion's Pounce (SpC))
13 Druid 12
14 Druid 13
15 Druid 14 Quicken
The stats can be tailor to taste somewhat, I just like skills personally, hence the 12 INT
Scout 4/Fighter 2/Ranger 2/Dervish 7
1: Scout 1: Deadly Defense, Dodge
2: Fighter 1: Combat Expertise
3: Ranger 1: Track, Mobility: Favored Enemy: Undead
4: Fighter 2: WF: Scimitar
5: Scout 2
6: Scout 3: Swift Hunter
7: Dervish 1
8: Scout 4: Improved Skirmish: Favored Enemy Constructs
9: Ranger 2: TWF, ITWF
10: Dervish 2
11: Dervish 3: Spring Attack
12: Dervish 4: Elusive Target
13: Dervish 5
14: Dervish 6
15: Dervish 7: GTWF
Uses 2 scimitars to do 1d6+1d6(Deadly Defense)+4d6(Skirmish)
A variation on this uses a Guisarme + Improved Trip + Combat Acrobat to maintain a pretty good trip chance without downside.
Any chance we can get this skickied?
I'd say 100%
Teach a man to fish and all that.
what is deadly defense? what book is it in?
Remember that unless it says otherwise, the intent is that the access is open. i.e. where it comes from is listed in the LGCS. But Complete Scoundrel.
Remember that unless it says otherwise, the intent is that the access is open. i.e. where it comes from is listed in the LGCS. But Complete Scoundrel.
Without some kind of context, this looks weird Mommy. Unless the LGCS says otherwise, non-PHB feats are NONC. (shh) Some prestige classes are 'open' but have prerequisites, but that doesn't happen with feats, so I'm having trouble parsing out what you could mean by this statement. Just reviewed the thread, and the only thing I see about 'open' is someone referring to feat slots that they haven't assigned feats to yet, and that's not an access issue. Context from the thread leads to an assumption that you're referring to Deadly Defense somehow, but that's not open because of a lack of 'says otherwise'...it's open due to an explicit LGCS reference.
I know you know all that, but only confuses me more. Could you clarify?
I know you know all that, but only confuses me more. Could you clarify?
I think it has to do with every item in the above builds being open (and thus can be looked up in the LGCS) unless otherwise noted.
Without some kind of context, this looks weird Mommy. Unless the LGCS says otherwise, non-PHB feats are NONC. (shh) Some prestige classes are 'open' but have prerequisites, but that doesn't happen with feats, so I'm having trouble parsing out what you could mean by this statement. Just reviewed the thread, and the only thing I see about 'open' is someone referring to feat slots that they haven't assigned feats to yet, and that's not an access issue. Context from the thread leads to an assumption that you're referring to Deadly Defense somehow, but that's not open because of a lack of 'says otherwise'...it's open due to an explicit LGCS reference.
I know you know all that, but only confuses me more. Could you clarify?
Not a problem. One of those things that isn't necessarily obvious.
If the build requires access, explain how to get it in a non-regional way
Basically, if a build requires some sort of access, the poster has to explain how he intends to get it or possibly explain what he intends to do if he doesn't get it. If there's no explanation, it should ideally mean that the access is open. This was one of the main reasons I changed from the 596 version of the compilation - to make it clear that the discussion of a particular build would happen on a thread, not in the compilation itself.
That way, if a poster did put something into a build that wasn't open, presumably there would be commentary about it in the thread itself or the original poster would have said something. Even if that wasn't true, when the poster PM'd me to ask to put their build on it, I look over the build and either PM them back or post on the thread asking about things like that. This avoids the possibility of the commentary getting lost in the Compilation.
The other major reason I changed how the posting to the Compilation works is to make it more clear how people commented about a particular build. As an example, though it isn't in the compilation yet, with my Tank Cleric, I talk about how I'd like to retrain my travel domain via Ruathar and Seeker of the Misty Isle - but I'm okay with Cleric 15 if that doesn't happen. Someone thinking about playing the same build as I do can look over the various comments and make decisions about it - though if I strongly disagree with Drezden about how it plays out, he's got a point of view that is worth listening to, even if it is wrong
Characters only get to play level 1-15 before retiring.
I don't get it... your builds include level 16, but upone reaching level 16 you are retired.
Characters only get to play level 1-15 before retiring.
Some builds are from the original compilation, which are just quick sketch builds. Cleric 6/RSoP 10 as an example. They're hard to truly mess up and 16th level often tends to be when 10 level PrCs finish themselves out naturally.
1 Rogue - Dodge
2 Swashbuckler - Weapon Finesse
3 Rogue - Weapon Focus Longsword
4 Swashbuckler
5 Swashbukler
6 Rogue - Daring Outlaw
7 Fighter - Power Attack
8 Fighter - Combat Expertise
9 Pious Templar - Mounted Combat
10 Champion of CL - Mobility
11 Champion of CL
12 Thief Acrobat - Elusive Target
13 Dervish
14 Dervish
15 Dervish - Telling Blow, Spring Attack
...
Half-Elf
Str 14, Dex 12, Con 14, Int 12, Wis 8, Cha 15 : Bumps to Cha
1: Marshal 1: Minor Aura (Motivate Dexterity), Power Attack
2: Knight 1
3: Hexblade 1: EWP (Dwarven Warpike)
4: Marshal 2: Major Aura (Motivate Attack)
5: Hexblade 2
6: Outcast Champion 1: Close Quarters Fighting
7: Outcast Champion 2
8: Monk 1: Improved Grapple
9: Monk 2: Combat Reflexes, Hold the Line
10: Knight 2
11: Knight 3
12: Hexblade 3: Leadership
13: Outcast Champion 3
14: Outcast Champion 4
15: Outcast Champion 5: Improved Toughness
The last 2 feats are customizable to taste. For me, Leadership is in there because we often don't have a full table up here where I play. Improved Toughness is there because I have a feeling this guy will have something of a glass jaw when it comes to hit points, I should know once I reach level 15 though.
2 alternate stat lines to work with here:
Str 14, Dex 12, Con 14, Int 10, Wis 8, Cha 16 : Bumps to Cha
Stronger in the 1-3 and 8-11 game, weaker in the 4-7 and 12-15 game due to even numbers across the board.
Str 14, Dex 14, Con 14, Int 10, Wis 8, Cha 15 : Bumps to Cha
More AoO focused, if you see yourself taking that many AoOs in a round. You would also be at your max dex bonus for Mithral Fullplate when enlarged, making Delay Potion a better option for one of the latter feats.
I chose the extra Int simply because I like skills. I don't know if I will ever make a character with less than 3 skill points a level.
Not only are you violating the thread rules, but you're posting spoilers to a current mod. Again, you start up a new thread for your build, post in the character section, and after there's been some discussion, pm me.
If I like what you're doing, then I'll post a link to it.
Hokay, here's a build I'm just starting.
i would like to see this fleshed out. Any idea where I can?
Rogue 3/Bard 3/Unseen Seer 4/Sublime Chord 1/Arcane Trickster 4
i would like to see this fleshed out. Any idea where I can?
It isn't really a specific build per say - Rogues need to pick a style of combat that they want to specialize in.
It looks more along the lines of this:
1: Rogue 1
2: Bard 1
3: Bard 2
4: Rogue 2
5: Rogue 3
6-9: Unseen Seer 1-4
10: Bard 3
11: Sublime Chord 1
12-15: Arcane Trickster 1-4
The one big issue they have is that they have 5 stats that would like points and there just isn't enough points to pull that off. I'd go:
Str 10, Dex 14, Con 14, Int 14, Wis 8, Cha 15 without taking into account race.
ok so this is what it looks like now
half-elf
stats:15str,12dex,14con,wis12,8int,14cha
Lv1 (Barbarian) Extra Rage
Lv2(Marshal) skill focus (diplomacy) minor aura (accurate strike)
Lv3 (Marshal) Iron Will major aura attack
Lv4(Fighter) power attack +1 STR
Lv5(Fighter) WF greatsword
Lv6(Outcast Champion)Intimidating Rage
Lv7(Outcast Champion)
Lv8(Holy Liberator)+1 STR
Lv9(Holy Liberator) Improved Critical (Greatsword )
Lv11(Holy Liberator)
Lv12 (Holy Liberator) Armor Specialization full plate
Lv13(Outcast Champion)
Lv14(Outcast Champion)
Lv15(Outcast Champion) Power Critical
This build is about being the best support/fighter you can be awhile leading your team to victory through you auras, spells, and desperate furry power.
heres the Valkyrie/ battle field leader build i have been working on.