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#1 dragon2008 Jul 28, 2008 20:48:04	Hey all, Is there a feat or spell path allowing wizards to turn 'touch' spells into 'short' range spells, like Hierophants can? My friend would like his wizard to be able to use Chain on spells like Heroism. Thanks!
#2 ferol_debtor_of_torm Jul 28, 2008 21:26:07	The easiest non-ETV way to do that is to take 3 levels of War Weaver.
#3 kinevon Jul 29, 2008 2:02:11	Hey all, Is there a feat or spell path allowing wizards to turn 'touch' spells into 'short' range spells, like Hierophants can? My friend would like his wizard to be able to use Chain on spells like Heroism. Thanks! War Weaver still requires touching the target of touch spells, which can only be allies, by the way. War Weaver is nonc, so it requires access, too. What you want is probably the metamagic feat Reach Spell from Complete Divine. I believe that this feat is Open.
#4 _metz_ Jul 29, 2008 7:01:23	War Weaver still requires touching the target of touch spells, which can only be allies, by the way. War Weaver is nonc, so it requires access, too. What you want is probably the metamagic feat Reach Spell from Complete Divine. I believe that this feat is Open. reach spell allows you to use touch spells at range. that deosn't mean they now qualify for the chain feat... best bet is Warweaver.
#5 dragon2008 Jul 29, 2008 8:20:06	Thanks everyone! Unfortunately he doesn't have access to War Weaver, so I guess he's out of luck.
#6 maesto Jul 29, 2008 11:03:44	A high-end version of the reach spell feat is the archmage power, which from memory is called the same thing. Note that none of these actually allow you to use chain spell on a touch spell.
#7 dragon2008 Jul 29, 2008 12:32:09	That was the debate, whether anything *would* allow touch spells to be converted to 'short' and thus able to be chained. I'm not sure how useful Chain spell is since most of the really good spells a caster would want to Chain are touch.
#8 maesto Jul 29, 2008 17:36:25	The usual suspects are: Greater Magic Weapon Dispel Magic Delay Death Dismissal Nerveskitter I've seen a few other things chained, but the above are by far the most common. Chained Baleful Polymorph is rather amusing, too
#9 lunarfish Jul 29, 2008 23:20:25	Greater Dispel Magic (most likely off of a rod if it's being done in LG) is also a popular target for Chain Spell. As to Chaining touch spells, I think 5th level war-weaver basically does this (Enlarged Tapestry is the ability, if I remember correctly). Sadly, I don't have HoB on my laptop, and I'm not with my books at the moment, so I cannot be certain.
#10 maesto Jul 30, 2008 0:01:03	Warweaver 5 does indeed let this be done, but only on a certain subset of touch ranged spells.
#11 redfist Jul 30, 2008 17:30:10	Chained Baleful Polymorph was a hoot! Although I think I may have contributed towards bunny overpopulation in Nyrond. :D
#12 koushiro Aug 03, 2008 2:35:40	That was the balancing point for chain spell. You only had a few spells that would be really great to be chained, but the ones that were extremely broken were mostly touch spells and not allowed. And if your a war weaver you wouldn't really need to bother with the whole chain spell thing if you've got your weave going, would you?