Does having a shield count as wearing it?
Opinions?
The deities document says that clerics of Kord cannot wear dragonhide unless they also bear the blood of Kord.
Does having a shield count as wearing it?
Opinions?
I'd say that you're wearing the shield if you're using it.
What if it was animated? (Yes, I know it's a stretch).
Well for all intents and purposes you're still considered to be using the shield as normal right?
I wouldn't just take my word for it by the way as I haven't looked up any rules wordings and I've DMed a grand total of 2 or 3 times but that's my gut reaction.
The deities document says that clerics of Kord cannot wear dragonhide unless they also bear the blood of Kord.
Does having a shield count as wearing it?
Opinions?
I can't think of any reason besides flavor that a cleric of Kord would really need to wear dragonhide anyway...especially shield since there's no mechanical benefit whatsoever...
I can't think of any reason besides flavor that a cleric of Kord would really need to wear dragonhide anyway...especially shield since there's no mechanical benefit whatsoever...
It's possible that the PC has gotten access to something like a +1 Animated Dragonhide Heavy Shield. So, if he really wants an animated shield, and this is his only access, he's out of luck because Kord says "No".
It's possible that the PC has gotten access to something like a +1 Animated Dragonhide Heavy Shield. So, if he really wants an animated shield, and this is his only access, he's out of luck because Kord says "No".
Unless said PC has gained access to "Blood of Kord" feat somewhere. :P
Sampo Haarlaa
Naerie Triad
Gah, codes of conduct are only supposed to hurt Paladins! Not Clerics of Kord.
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Gah, codes of conduct are only supposed to hurt Paladins! Not Clerics of Kord.
Yeah, piety's a b*tch, ain't it? ;)
(... said the cleric of Vatun, who has to always carry a torch -- a real one -- if I want to cast spells...)
Yeah, piety's a b*tch, ain't it? ;)
(... said the cleric of Vatun, who has to always carry a torch -- a real one -- if I want to cast spells...)
I'm just glad to see clerics who aren't radiant servants whenever I see them.
A dwarf in full plate earth glides out of the ground and gives you a hug!
(I am a perrender, clerics NOT of pelor are rare...)
I'm just glad to see clerics who aren't radiant servants whenever I see them.
A dwarf in full plate earth glides out of the ground and gives you a hug!
(I am a perrender, clerics NOT of pelor are rare...)
My Kobold Cleric of Io (Jynx) was once at a table with two clerics of Pelor. Nobody at the table was going for radiant servant.
My Kobold Cleric of Io (Jynx) was once at a table with two clerics of Pelor. Nobody at the table was going for radiant servant.
That just makes them suboptimal generic clerics of pelor, not unique
(This is a joke)
In fact if you want to build a cleric that is in character for Perrenland (human region swarming with undead and evil outsiders) a Human Radiant Servant of Pelor is probably the most typical cleric NPCwise in the region and from a role play point of view a good character choice.
Now a RSoP in Ratik or Greyhawk is another matter !! .. but those are few and far between from my observations. In Ratik I have not even come across many RS of Atroa and do not know of any Ratik native RSoP only RSoP that migrated from perrenland.
(that said ... my greyhawk character is a would be RSoP who believes Clerics with the travel domain are inherently evil and thinks fly should be a proscribed spell but that is beside the point, it was built to be a Perrender and got co-opted into the Greyhawk campaign).
It might be a LITTLE bit harsh to criticise people for building clerics of Pelor in a region where Pelor is probably the major God in the regional metaorg.
Who's criticising? just saying my non pelor cleric likes variety in his theological discussions! At the moment he only meets Pelorite clerics. Not having a go or anything, for the region its in character, as much as being a pholtan is in characcter for the pale.
Just making a comical aside IN character...
As to your greyhawk PC, I just find it funny that she spent several adventures with a celestian cleric, made for good GMing from that perspective...
Who's criticising? just saying my non pelor cleric likes variety in his theological discussions! At the moment he only meets Pelorite clerics. Not having a go or anything, for the region its in character, as much as being a pholtan is in characcter for the pale.
Just making a comical aside IN character...
As to your greyhawk PC, I just find it funny that she spent several adventures with a celestian cleric, made for good GMing from that perspective...
.. and do bear in mind my Joramite Bright Sands cleric has spent a lot of time in perrenland trying to convince the locals that Joramy is not really a cantankerous biatch and is actually just misunderstood.
.. and do bear in mind my Joramite Bright Sands cleric has spent a lot of time in perrenland trying to convince the locals that Joramy is not really a cantankerous biatch and is actually just misunderstood.
Hey Glenn, I know these characters exist, I just never end up on the table with them
Often because two clerics don't ususally get to play with each other at cons where there is more than one table at the same/similar APL
That just makes them suboptimal generic clerics of pelor, not unique
(This is a joke)
Suboptimal generic cleric is an oxymoron. Unless you try really hard to make your character useless.
Suboptimal generic cleric is an oxymoron. Unless you try really hard to make your character useless.
Non-frontline dwarven clerics with shield specialization, dodge, and mobility who try to hit things with a club (not a mace, a club) at APL 6.
Thats a playstyle thing, not a mechanical build thing. What it really comes down to is that so long as you start with 15 wisdom, and bump it every 4 levels, the rest of the build is just gravy.
Even 14 Wisdom is enough, to be honest (although 15 is better). If you gave that non-frontline dwarven cleric's character sheet to a skilled player, it wouldn't matter that he'd wasted all his feats, he'd still be a strong contributor to the party from spells alone. If you keep full caster levels and have decent Wisdom, it really is almost impossible to make a non-contributing cleric build.
(That said, when I say "suboptimal" I mean "not optimized", and that's very easy to do - it doesn't mean they're a bad character, just that they're not as powerful as they could be. My own cleric is a suboptimal cleric, because she worships Joramy and loses access to a number of very powerful mechanical options by virtue of that choice. She's still a perfectly viable PC.)
(That said, when I say "suboptimal" I mean "not optimized", and that's very easy to do - it doesn't mean they're a bad character, just that they're not as powerful as they could be. My own cleric is a suboptimal cleric, because she worships Joramy and loses access to a number of very powerful mechanical options by virtue of that choice. She's still a perfectly viable PC.)
Thats what I mean, Copper gets it.
Suboptimal means that you are trying to do something, bt not as good as it as you could be. (e.g: Cleric of Pelor that is not a radiant servant)
Seemed a shame not to become a radiant servant, it fell into my lap, but I didn't ask for it.
And some of us, actually walk the walk too. We've built the only chapel to Pelor in our entire realm, which wasn't exactly cheap.
The deities document says that clerics of Kord cannot wear dragonhide unless they also bear the blood of Kord.
Does having a shield count as wearing it?
Opinions?
I would consider a non-descendant of Kord that was a cleric of Kord that used an animated dragonhide shield to be blasphemous.
In LG_Deities 2.0, Kord is described as wearing dragonhide gauntlets, not full dragonhide armor.
Considering that clerics of Kord are prohibited from wearing mantles or armor that are dragonhide, I think it logical that they cannot use shields or animated shields that are dragonhide either. I think it is supposed to be a general proscription on dragonhide items.
Who's criticising? just saying my non pelor cleric likes variety in his theological discussions! At the moment he only meets Pelorite clerics. Not having a go or anything, for the region its in character, as much as being a pholtan is in characcter for the pale.
That's one of the reasons I picked Pelor for my Favored Beguiler - when he runs into actual clerics of Pelor, the roleplaying usually gets pretty interesting. And as there are a lot of them...