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Extent Spell and spell duration

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#1
hasdrubal
May 27, 2008 10:53:40 The duration of Mass Lesser Vigor cast by my 5th-level cleric is 15 rounds. How is it affected by a Rod of Extend:
- 15*2 = 30 rounds durations?
- 25 rounds as this is the maximum duration of a Mass Lesser Vigor?
#2
ranielk
May 27, 2008 10:57:49
The duration of Mass Lesser Vigor cast by my 5th-level cleric is 15 rounds. How is it affected by a Rod of Extend:
- 15*2 = 30 rounds durations?
- 25 rounds as this is the maximum duration of a Mass Lesser Vigor?

You are only limited by the spell itself. It will be 30 rounds because Extend Spell gives you double the duration.
#3
KarmaInferno
May 27, 2008 11:26:12 Unfortunately, from the D&D FAQ:
The vigor series of spells (found in Complete Divine) raise an interesting question. Does the built-in maximum duration of each spell limitation override the effect of the Extend Spell feat?
Yes. Extend Spell still increases the spell’s duration, but only up to the spell’s listed maximum duration. Use either the normal maximum duration or the doubled duration, whichever is less. If a 7th-level druid used Extend Spell on her vigor spell, the duration could not increase beyond 25 rounds.

Basically, because the spell specifically states in it's description that the healing only lasts 25 rounds maximum, extending the spell beyond that has no effect.

Yes, I do find this FAQ ruling to be kind of silly. But there it is.

-karma
#4
hasdrubal
May 27, 2008 13:45:17 That's kind of what I was expecting. Still useful though.
#5
ranielk
May 28, 2008 11:44:33
Unfortunately, from the D&D FAQ:

Basically, because the spell specifically states in it's description that the healing only lasts 25 rounds maximum, extending the spell beyond that has no effect.

Yes, I do find this FAQ ruling to be kind of silly. But there it is.

-karma

Really? Now that is just downright foolish. After all, Extend spell only cares that the spell has a duration measured longer than instantaneous. Why the Vigor spells' built in durations would shut things down does seem counterintuitive. Now, I could see something like the Heart of (Element) spells having that affect. You could Extend the overall spell, but if you activate it's special ability (like say the Featherfall effect of Heart of Air) the spell would end after Casterlevel Rounds when the Featherfall effect ended.
#6
timlagor
May 28, 2008 12:12:07 Vigor spells have two entries relevant to duration.

1) Duration: 1/round per level
2) text in the spell descrption to the effect of "this spell lasts a maximum of X rounds".

Extend spell doubles (1) but does nothing to (2). That's the logic and may well have been the intent of the writers as well (or not). The FAQ actually has a reasonable interpretation of the rules in this case.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
#1 hasdrubal May 27, 2008 10:53:40	The duration of Mass Lesser Vigor cast by my 5th-level cleric is 15 rounds. How is it affected by a Rod of Extend: - 15*2 = 30 rounds durations? - 25 rounds as this is the maximum duration of a Mass Lesser Vigor?
#2 ranielk May 27, 2008 10:57:49	The duration of Mass Lesser Vigor cast by my 5th-level cleric is 15 rounds. How is it affected by a Rod of Extend: - 15*2 = 30 rounds durations? - 25 rounds as this is the maximum duration of a Mass Lesser Vigor? You are only limited by the spell itself. It will be 30 rounds because Extend Spell gives you double the duration.
#3 KarmaInferno May 27, 2008 11:26:12	Unfortunately, from the D&D FAQ: The vigor series of spells (found in Complete Divine) raise an interesting question. Does the built-in maximum duration of each spell limitation override the effect of the Extend Spell feat? Yes. Extend Spell still increases the spell’s duration, but only up to the spell’s listed maximum duration. Use either the normal maximum duration or the doubled duration, whichever is less. If a 7th-level druid used Extend Spell on her vigor spell, the duration could not increase beyond 25 rounds. Basically, because the spell specifically states in it's description that the healing only lasts 25 rounds maximum, extending the spell beyond that has no effect. Yes, I do find this FAQ ruling to be kind of silly. But there it is. -karma
#4 hasdrubal May 27, 2008 13:45:17	That's kind of what I was expecting. Still useful though.
#5 ranielk May 28, 2008 11:44:33	Unfortunately, from the D&D FAQ: Basically, because the spell specifically states in it's description that the healing only lasts 25 rounds maximum, extending the spell beyond that has no effect. Yes, I do find this FAQ ruling to be kind of silly. But there it is. -karma Really? Now that is just downright foolish. After all, Extend spell only cares that the spell has a duration measured longer than instantaneous. Why the Vigor spells' built in durations would shut things down does seem counterintuitive. Now, I could see something like the Heart of (Element) spells having that affect. You could Extend the overall spell, but if you activate it's special ability (like say the Featherfall effect of Heart of Air) the spell would end after Casterlevel Rounds when the Featherfall effect ended.
#6 timlagor May 28, 2008 12:12:07	Vigor spells have two entries relevant to duration. 1) Duration: 1/round per level 2) text in the spell descrption to the effect of "this spell lasts a maximum of X rounds". Extend spell doubles (1) but does nothing to (2). That's the logic and may well have been the intent of the writers as well (or not). The FAQ actually has a reasonable interpretation of the rules in this case.