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#1 Cyber-Dave May 27, 2009 12:42:56	Title says it all...
#2 Cpt_Micha May 27, 2009 13:02:15	I can safely tell you that WW2 subs quarters were barely fit to be called broom closets from what I remember of the one I walked about in. Not for the claustrophobic by any means.
#3 backstabbist May 27, 2009 13:11:25	cue up the Das Boot dvd or the Das BonJovi Boot dvd (U-571)
#4 penchant May 27, 2009 16:47:19	I visited the USS Lexington parked in Corpus Christi bay. The Lexingtion was a WWII aircraft carrier that has been turned into a Museum. Its not just the tight walls and low ceilings. Its the fact that waterpiping and electrical lines are everywhere. All doorways must be ducked through. All stairs are the extra steep ones that you can slide down with your feet. The most spacious areas are the ones you mostly don't want to be in, like the sickbay or the room where the anchor chains are pulled up in. From what I understand there are three times as many people in there than a civilian would expect there to be. This is because everything is run on 3 8-hour shifts. There are 3 people for every job, space and activity. You aren't sleeping in, because there is already someone else heading for your bunk. When they call "All hands" the extra people go to emergency stations like firefighting, water control or whatever is needed. You've heard, "There are no secrets on board a ship." Its because there is no such thing as privacy.
#5 rustam1 May 27, 2009 22:22:52	How about a kinda of virtual tour of the USS Slater DE-766 with "to scale" deckplans | Flying Bridge | Bridge | Superstructure | Main Deck | 1st Platform | 2nd Platform | Hold | there are great pictures too.
#6 Cyber-Dave May 27, 2009 23:28:29	How much more spacious would such vessels have to be to feel a little more roomy? For example, if all the hallways/rooms were twice as big, would that be a bit more decent? What about 4 times as big? I am just looking for an educated guesstimate.
#7 rustam1 May 28, 2009 21:17:35	Star Trek comes to mind...remember how roomy Enterprize seemed. passageways were like ~3 meters wide. --------------------- also I've found a site that has some great info on the insides of a LST. info: The Design: On 4 November 1941, John C. Neidermair, a designer with the Bureau of Ships, submitted his first drawing of the LST. Mr. Neidermair had a long and illustrious career with the Bureau of Ships, having a part in the design of over 8,000 ships. It was to be 280 feet long and 45.4 feet wide. After consideration and calculations for buoyancy, stability, and payload requirements, the final drawings resulted in a 328-foot length, a 50-foot beam, a flat-bottom, a sloping keel, giving a 7-1/2-foot maximum draft (forward), and a 14-foot maximum draft (aft), with about a 16-foot freeboard. The tank deck dimensions were 230-feet long, 30-feet wide, and 12-feet high. John Neidermair insisted upon 3/8” plating for the hull (shell plating), rather than the planned original 1/4”, and the plating under the bow was 1” thick. The firm of Gibbs and Cox, New York, completed the actual design details, and became the contractor charged with the procurement of materials/equipment, and they selected the Dravo Corporation as the first contractor.
#8 Cyber-Dave May 28, 2009 22:16:15	Would that be about twice as big? Four times as big?
#9 rustam1 May 28, 2009 22:40:07	Would that be about twice as big? Four times as big? call it twice as big
#10 para_gunner May 30, 2009 0:07:30	the problem with building a battleship bigger is WEIGHT - to enclose a volume double the size - requires 183% of the plating that the previous volume did [ thats BARE minimum - not including any additional streghtening ] and when you are adding armour belt to a battleship - the weight goes up drastically this reduces top speed - vital for a battleship , so you fit bigger engines - that require larger fuel bunkers - that tale up more room and weight thus driving down topspeed again and dont even think about specifying thinner armour - because then any 8" gun heavy cruiser becomes a serious threat to you warships squeeze the crew spaces - because any other measure detracts from the 3 prime atributes - speed , firepower , protection