Please explain why you are so fond of your particular firearm selection. What advantages does it convey that others lack? What particular niche would it fill?
Also, please, no magic, and keep it to d20 modern.
An example:
AAT-21 Heavy (7.62 mm Machine Gun), (Weapons Locker, 160)
This General-Purpose Machine Gun deals 2d12 damage. Unlike most machine guns, however, it is large sized. This means that it can be fired normally from the hip without having to spend a move action to set up a bipod. Also, it does not require exotic firearms proficiency, as it is not a heavy machine gun. One must keep in mind that this uses linked ammunition, and that any link of 50 rounds or over requires two people to operate. This is easily sidestepped, though. Feed it with links of 40, and when you are down to 5 rounds, attach another link. Combining two links is normally a move action, but can be done as a free action with the Quick Reload feat. This weapon also benefits most from the Burst Fire feat and high-explosive ammunition. Remember that, though you may not be able to buy entire links of explosive ammunition, a link can be constructed by hand using boxed ammo in 10 minutes. Just take an hour out of your day and you'll be set for a while. 5d12 damage anyone?
This particular choice of weapon allows a player to deal large amounts of damage without sacrificing mobility. It is a superior weapons solution to those not worried about keeping a low profile.
Alright, thats mine, anyone else care to share?
Hey all, as the title suggests this is a thread where you can post your favorite Firearm/Firearm Combo. Any firearm from the Core Rulebook, Urban Arcana, and Weapons Locker is fair game, except the 5-7. I do not want this to turn into a rules/balance debate, so please refrain. This thread is made to be fun and informative.
Please explain why you are so fond of your particular firearm selection. What advantages does it convey that others lack? What particular niche would it fill?
Also, please, no magic, and keep it to d20 modern.
An example:
AAT-21 Heavy (7.62 mm Machine Gun), (Weapons Locker, 160)
This General-Purpose Machine Gun deals 2d12 damage. Unlike most machine guns, however, it is large sized. This means that it can be fired normally from the hip without having to spend a move action to set up a bipod. Also, it does not require exotic firearms proficiency, as it is not a heavy machine gun. One must keep in mind that this uses linked ammunition, and that any link of 50 rounds or over requires two people to operate. This is easily sidestepped, though. Feed it with links of 40, and when you are down to 5 rounds, attach another link. Combining two links is normally a move action, but can be done as a free action with the Quick Reload feat. This weapon also benefits most from the Burst Fire feat and high-explosive ammunition. Remember that, though you may not be able to buy entire links of explosive ammunition, a link can be constructed by hand using boxed ammo in 10 minutes. Just take an hour out of your day and you'll be set for a while. 5d12 damage anyone?
This particular choice of weapon allows a player to deal large amounts of damage without sacrificing mobility. It is a superior weapons solution to those not worried about keeping a low profile.
Alright, thats mine, anyone else care to share?
Wait, a 7.62 doing 2d12? That's gotta be a misprint. 7.62 should only do 2d10 not 2d12.
take that combined with an HK MP7 as a back up/cqb weapon an you've got a very dangerous and flexible package offering range mobility and even stealth.
to sumerise 7.62 2d10 sniper rifle that becomes an assault rifle at the flick of a switch with a 4.6mm 2d6 machine pistol with some serious armour penetration
MP7
HK G3
Smart guys need a gun too, so I went oldschool... the classics never go out of style.
Western guy has a Winchester '73 (36") in 44-40 & Peacemaker in 44-40
Why carry 2 kinds of ammo, just shoot both guns from one bandolier & box of spares. Plenty enough power and range from the extra long rifle... not a buffalo gun by any means, but does a fine job of making a pistolero know just how far out of pistol range this rifle shoots. We use 2d8 for both guns, the FanRevolver DoubleTap rule, and custom houserules for quickdraw showdowns.
My munchkin-twink has a TWF brace of 45-70 4"derringers
cause even I sometimes just wanna go silly abusing rules with tiny 2d10 guns. Lots of running around & mario bro action
Wait, a 7.62 doing 2d12? That's gotta be a misprint. 7.62 should only do 2d10 not 2d12.
There are two versions of this machine gun, one that does 2d10, and one that does 2d12. Both are sized large. Doesn't look like a misprint to me.
With an HK USP Tactical backup:
:P
My munchkin-twink has a TWF brace of 45-70 4"derringers cause even I sometimes just wanna go silly abusing rules with tiny 2d10 guns. Lots of running around & mario bro action
Could you cite a page number for this gun?
On a side note, there have been a few people who just post a picture of a gun and say that it looks cool. Please, if you are going to post your favorite d20 modern firearms combination, at least give a short commentary, perhaps with some stats? Thanks.
These are the two main mass-production variants of the FG-42 paratroop rifle. The top is the earlier 'E' version, used in Otto Skorzeny's raid to free Mussolini, and found most frequently in Italy (though there were only about 2,000 total units produced).
The bottom is the 'G' variant, a redesign by Rheinmetall to reduce manufacturing time and cost, and to increase reliability and performance. The receiver was changed from a high-quality machined steel forging to a mid-grade carbon steel stamping, the bipod was altered to fold at the front instead of the rear, the stamped metal stock was replaced with wood, a different scope and mount were used, an improved muzzle brake was developed, the pistol grip was redesigned for better ergonomics and a magazine well cover was developed to prevent the ingress of foreign matter. The cyclic rate was also reduced in an effort to improve controllability. Approximately 5,000 units were produced, and were most often found on the Western front.
The FG-42 'G' has the following stats:
German 7.92mm Battle Rifle
Caliber: 7.92x57mm schwere Spitzegeschoss (a.k.a. 8mm Mauser)
Damage: 2d10
Critical: 20x2
Range Increment: 90'
Magazine: 20 Box
RoF: S,A
Restriction: Res (+2)
Purchase DC: 32 (Legally registered examples are very rare, and can go for as much as $80,000 on the open market)
Special: The FG-42 'G' comes with a folding bipod, integral bayonet and standard telescopic sight.
Advantages: Lots of firepower in a compact package...fully automatic.
Completely legal...in the 1920's
100 rounds...very rare to run out of ammunition. Rapid Reload for those times when you DO run out.
Need far shot (to compensate for the short range) and advanced firearms proficiency. Rapid shot helps, also, for that true hail of silver. Mine also has +1 distance...
And the biggest advantage...available in the mid 1920's.
My other favorite: 16"/50. When it absolutely, positively has to be turned into a crater. Needs exotic weapoin proficiency.
And for a more eccentric character, a .60 calliber double barreled black powder flintlock with 21st century high explosive armor piercing ammunition.
We have played that the 16" HC(13) shell does a standard 4d8 damage,
when it falls off a rack & squishes a guy. It does insanely more when armed, fired, & detonated. ;)
So do you play that if a mk7 16" HC(13) is 200d6,
will it be 200d6 +1d6 for Doubletap?
And does it still get just RI+10 & +2damage for the 16" Hollowpoint Boattail?
Does Glaser make safety slugs in 16" for home defense?
But come on, if we smoothebore it, would it be a 00000000000000Guage or will be go ahead and start using negative numbers for guage nomenclature?
But come on, if we smoothbore it, would it be a 00000000000000Guage or will be go ahead and start using negative numbers for gauge nomenclature?
It would be a .0025 gage shotgun. At the same proportions as a 12ga firing 00 buckshot, you would load it with 24-pounder cannon balls.
Wow.
FYI, Gauge for firearms is the number of lead balls of a given diameter that weighs one pound. IE, it takes 12 18mm lead balls to be 1lb.
. Lets see, you get something like 200 pellets in birdshot, right? That would still be each shot greater than half a pound, right? I don't know how many balls of 00 buck are in a 12-gauge.now we use the bigger stuff with 12 pellets... or more
look at the math this way:
how many pound per ball does it take to have 200 balls add up to 1900lb 16" projectile. The fun way would be to load it with 2000 m67frags.
what is worse, having a m67grag go off right next to you, or getting hit in the chest with an undetonated m67frag at 2500fps ?
just dont stat it under d20 Future Mecha rules,
or the muzzle fireball will reach past 2 nerfy RI's, and it will have just a 25' burst
nice, very traditional. I like to see folks take the classics or go with character style more than minmax grabbing the broken guns for the munchies
Oldschool 12ga was 9 pellets
now we use the bigger stuff with 12 pellets... or more
look at the math this way:
how many pound per ball does it take to have 200 balls add up to 1900lb 16" projectile. The fun way would be to load it with 2000 m67frags.
what is worse, having a m67grag go off right next to you, or getting hit in the chest with an undetonated m67frag at 2500fps ?
just dont stat it under d20 Future Mecha rules,
or the muzzle fireball will reach past 2 nerfy RI's, and it will have just a 25' burst
Hmm... Can I have about a 10' by 8' by 1' of tank armor between the grenade and me?
For style, I like the Winchester 92 and mare's leg my western-themed 1930s pulp hero has, the GM and I agreed to pretend the .44-40 is identical to the .444 marlin. At level 11 or so, I run out of ammo really fast though. With the improved far shot feat from sniper, I get 180 foot range increments with the '92, and 60' with the mare's leg. The 21 MAS save for my attacks would also help, if I could just get my doubletaps to start doing decent damage.
my G3 is a cold war euro classic surely that counts.granted the mp7 is a crazy 4.7 joby but it is awsome, ignores most body armour and has a good recoil profile
that is a military set though so my civi set would be a custom 1911 with compensators, bored chambers and all other crazy gun lingo to boot and an
m4, i have a real soft spot for a tasty m4 with a RIS for grip and a red dot sight
my euro civi set of weapons would be 2 over under shotguns that i'd saw down and i'd take rapid reload
I like your last choice as well. It's a pity that shot guns get so gimped in d20.
so far i seem the only pro european weapon guy
granted the mp7 is a crazy 4.7 joby but it is awsome, ignores most body armour and has a good recoil profile
that is a military set though so my civi set would be a custom 1911 with compensators, bored chambers and all other crazy gun lingo to boot and an
m4, i have a real soft spot for a tasty m4 with a RIS for grip and a red dot sight
my euro civi set of weapons would be 2 over under shotguns that i'd saw down and i'd take rapid reload
Cause that freakadelic Walther P38 Uber-Gadget-System is the cat's meow
Why have a combination of guns, when your 1 gun is a combination of mission application gadgets, Pistol, Carbine, SMG, Sniper... that was one workhorse of a P38
Just gadget in an underslung Derringer rack (5 Derringers mounted in-line), and you're good to go.
Well, it's no sillier than a shotgun that shoots cannonballs.
My next campaign involved MGLs loaded with frag grenades, silver frag grenades. This was after a small wolf problem (Exit 23), and they decided that grenades would be the easiest way to take care of any problem. I had to escalate with magic combined with gadgets. It was a harms race, and as we all know, nobody really wins a harms race.
For my next mercenary/special agent/wild card character, I'm going to go fairly robust. For the primary weapon, I'm going with an FN SCAR, with an USAS-12 and an MGL as backup primaries. For the sidearm, twin 1911s, with twin M9s and twin Mk 23 USSOCOM as backups. Then, as a tactical weapon, an XM500 AMR. All would be carried in Aluminum Travel Cases, with the specific weapon chosen at mission start. Also, extra magazine would be a must, some with special loads (though those would usually be kept in the travel cases). The SCAR is the USSOCOM M16/M4/M14/Mk. 29 replacement. The USAS-12 is an Auto-fire capable shotgun. The MGL is a six-shot rotary 40mm grenade launcher in use by the Marines in Iraq. The 1911 is the standard in sidearms. The M9 is the standard issue US military sidearm. The Mk. 23 USSOCOM, is well, the USSOCOM sidearm. The XM500 is a bullpup derivative of the M82/M107 AMR, and is lighter, shorter, and only slightly less accurate. A Mastercraft +3 Mesh Vest would be essential.
I Also carry around exta Shotgun shells to make Knee poppers and gut busters :D.
so far i seem the only pro european weapon guy
granted the mp7 is a crazy 4.7 joby but it is awsome, ignores most body armour and has a good recoil profile
that is a military set though so my civi set would be a custom 1911 with compensators, bored chambers and all other crazy gun lingo to boot and an
m4, i have a real soft spot for a tasty m4 with a RIS for grip and a red dot sight
my euro civi set of weapons would be 2 over under shotguns that i'd saw down and i'd take rapid reload
The FG-42, Minimi, USP tactical, and L85 are all european guns mentioned.
For crowd control, what would you guys propose? Are shotguns (ingame) good versus crowds? Wouldn't a G3 be better at that (still ingame)? A grenade launcher with gas grenades is of course preferable..
Per the official rules, shotguns are next to worthless.
And what do you mean by 'crowd control'? Riot police generally use less-lethal weapons against civic disturbances. They don't start spraying 7.62x51mm rounds into the crowd. That's 'crowd destruction', not 'crowd control'.
For real crowd control, you want to use area-effect less-lethal munitions, like tear gas or pepper gas. Then you throw in hundreds of guys in body armor with shields and batons.
what about the Microwave Emitter humvee system that simmers the crowd?
For a bunch of years the FAL (7.62 s/a rifle) was getting passed out to low budget armies like potato chips at a party. Where did all of them go?
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what about the Microwave Emitter humvee system that simmers the crowd?
For a bunch of years the FAL (7.62 s/a rifle) was getting passed out to low budget armies like potato chips at a party. Where did all of them go?
I've got 'em... ;)
And about the G3 Crowd Control, I was thinking of rubber balls, of course..
Cause you hose the crowd down with a supersoaker full of A-1 sauce, and they really dont want to be anywhere near the dogs.
I liked the idea of using the same ammunition for all their firearms, plus it gave me a logical reason to keep the damage to 2d6.
:evillaugh That would be "motivational".Are Pit Bulls & SuperSoakers in WL?
Cause you hose the crowd down with a supersoaker full of A-1 sauce, and they really dont want to be anywhere near the dogs.
Last campaign my default “mook” was outfitted with a MP5 and a Glock 17.
that has got to be the most expensive henchman on the plannet.
Did you give them nike shoes & iPhones too?
For the cost of equipping that one guy, we could get a bunch of surplus rusty SKS & .38 special for a whole squad of mooks. Think like a villian, we dont have 401k & Dental for our $10000toys mooks, we have the unwashed masses that "Will Mook For Food". Legions are not expensive, unless you try to go crazy outfitting them. The villians dont get that equipment back when the mook dies.
Hecklers & Nikes?
You get just as killing & running from a walmart knock off set of shoes, and paying for the label HK is just silly when you could pick up 3 or 4 used guns or Blemishes from the outlet stores.
I would think the action jamming is more of a problem with construction than with design, neither the AR-18 nor the G36 have that kind of problem that I have heard of.
I hope that in a couple years, I can still get my hands on one of those Sterling AR-18 semi-autos, I hear those are better than the ones Armalite makes these days.
that has got to be the most expensive henchman on the plannet.
“Mook” can be a relative term, but thanks for the condescension.
One added note to one of my favorites. The Tommy Gun uses the same ammo as the M1911 Colt .45...
Incidently, how much explosive damage could you reasonably get from a .60 HE round, over and above the bullet damage? the character has access to cutting edge 2007 technology, and plenty of money.
I just got a little dazed by the cost of things,
I drive past the store where Ramen is 8 per dollar to get to the store where its 9 per dollar.... yes, I am really that cheap.
Irish-
that is a tough one to put real number to, how much 'HP' does an active fragmenting bullet do is very subjective.
But the numbers we do have say
4d6 for an entire pound of good explosives
and we know the whole projectile will be 1/8 to 1/10 pound
so if the slug was sitting net to us on the table & detonated, maybe 1d4?
But that has no take on how a HollowPoint is more damaging than a ball slug.
We also need to look at what you have done, if anything, to fix the 50BMG soe we can see what the scales of damage are in your campaign.
Sorry Kord
Irish-
that is a tough one to put real number to, how much 'HP' does an active fragmenting bullet do is very subjective.
But the numbers we do have say
4d6 for an entire pound of good explosives
and we know the whole projectile will be 1/8 to 1/10 pound
so if the slug was sitting net to us on the table & detonated, maybe 1d4?
But that has no take on how a HollowPoint is more damaging than a ball slug.
We also need to look at what you have done, if anything, to fix the 50BMG soe we can see what the scales of damage are in your campaign.
I haven't changed the damage scale, though so far, no one's run into anything more dangerous than a Great War vintage machine gun...and that, fired at their plane.
The explosive round isn't carrying a lot of explosive, but on a hit, it's exploding inside its target.
For a Yakuza hitman, I was inspired by countless mid-90's action flicks. Dual chrome Colt M1911's. Better guns are on the market, but the .45 is just classic and cool.
And IC, if the guy is smaller, the grip on a 1911 might fit him better than a big double-stacker.
And yes, the 1911 does look awesome. There is just something about even the parkerized finish bog-standard version.
Wait... Javelin? I am going to assume you mean a handgun, not the anti-tank launcher.
The Javilina was AMTs 10 MM longslide IIRC.
Come'on some groupy love for this modern hand canon....
Hand Cannon
50BMG Thunder Pistol
For a sidearm, I'd go with lots of ammo. B92F for example.
as for the 92f i think its good but its gotta be the tactical master the military version of the 92f its sweet
For crowd control, what would you guys propose? Are shotguns (ingame) good versus crowds? Wouldn't a G3 be better at that (still ingame)? A grenade launcher with gas grenades is of course preferable..
Depened on how "controled" you want the crowd.
M2HB stops it..animate dead makes it nicely controled. (My favorite gun leaves it in pieces too small to animate)
Didnt the FAL come in some majorly long barrel versions?
I think it was standard with 24 or something like that, but yeah, there are shorter versions, DSA sells some. I think that Kel-Tec's new bullpup has up to 31 or 32 inch barrels, for a 7.62, now that is a long barrel. Quigley's sharps had 34. Of course, the bullpup construction will make it noticeably less length.
I still get fumed when I think about them calling the current M16 variant by a new M-number.
That is not a new rifle!
The m4 is just the M16b1
And nice one about the M2HB + Animate Dead combo! :D
M4 should just be M16B, and whatever B versions they make, like M16B1 or M16B2. If this type doesnt rate the B, what are they holding B for?
M4 is just a set of ar15/m16 options & accessories. Choose a trigger group, barrel length & profile, stocks, the Flattop option... add a few rails... you want Forward Assist with that? Just 79 cents more
Just as putting a bulpup stock on a Ruger 10-22 doesnt make it a different gun. Nor does it become a different gun if you put a 24" Bull barrel with P-rails & thumbhole adjustable cheek stock on your 10-22. And it is still a 10-22 if you convert it to fullauto & slap a verticle front grip, folding stock, & rails all over it
So what changes a gun to be a different one in your opinion? Caliber? Reciever? Operation?
You pretty much can say "Start with a Flattop, and make these slight changes." I mean, they mangled up the M16 upper for the foward assist, what M4 changes to the m16 frame come close to that amount of bashing. Especially to the lower, where we have seen trigger guts and pins come & go.
but yeah i agree wi stabbist on this one
to be fair i thought the m4 was identical in every way to m16
They are extremely similar. The only non-obvious change would be that I think the gas tube is a little wider. Since the barrel is shorter, the gas vent is closer to the chamber, meaning it taps higher pressure gas. A wider gas tube would keep the gas the same pressure where it enters the action.
It also uses a different mount for the M203, but that is trivial.
So what changes a gun to be a different one in your opinion? Caliber? Receiver? Operation?
Good question.
Naming conventions are pretty arbitrary anyway. If H&K make the M16, the M4 probably would have been the M16C. If FN made the M16 the M4 would be the M16 Para.
I think the M4 is the M4 because it is considered a "Carbine", as a distinction from a "Rifle". Arbitrary, I know.
I would have named weapons based on the receiver. Receiver X is weapon Y, regardless of barrel or stock configuration.
...the m16 has been tweaked and worked on for a good 20 to 30 years crazy, when did it come in? late 1960's wasn't it with the awful short straight mag that jammed like a mother
I doubt the magazine had as much to do with it as did the soldiers being told they didn't have to clean the things.
Also, the original design had a chrome plated barrel and chamber. Chrome plating helps keep the gunpowder residue from sticking to the barrel and chamber, and I think it also lets the round slide in and out better. All in all, it's a good thing for reliability. It was vetoed late in development as an unnecessary expense.
Lots of life insurance policies were cashed in to keep from paying 50 bucks extra per rifle, and 5 bucks per cleaning kit.
But the name doesnt have to require a number change, take the P47d Razorback, or all the Hawk names given to the P40 versions
Actually, pretty sure that counts as a ticket to jail, these days. Is a 10/22 still a 10/22 if you put two of them side by side and make a hand-cranked machine-gun-ish thing?
So what changes a gun to be a different one in your opinion? Caliber? Reciever? Operation?
Manually cranked automatics are legal IIRC. At least they are for .22 short in Mississippi, I used to work with someone that has one.
I am GMing a separate game at the moment. I recently employed a villain against my PCs who was packing a Mechem NTW-20, with which he harassed the PCs from a great distance. When the PCs located his position, hey closed in and found themselves up against dual OTs-22 submachine guns.
Manually cranked automatics are legal IIRC. At least they are for .22 short in Mississippi, I used to work with someone that has one.
Yeah, manual cranks and ones with multiple trigger positions work, I was saying that making a 10/22 automatic without having to manually operate the trigger (or what serves for one) every shot would be a ticket to jail.
edit: And belly, I don't think the mags were a problem, they are still using similar ones IIRC, just not as standard issue. Dunno what they did, but I guess the M16 is more reliable than it used to be, still has really tight tolerances though.
chromed parts would leed to much less friction and wear also possibly slight increase in muzzel velocity maybe? i'd guess so based on my vague memories of physics
8 inch Colt Anaconda; Weapons Locker, page 19.
First of all, its an 8 inch anaconda... thats pretty funny. Second, its a very large pistol, which does make it more intimidating then some smaller guns. Because of the barrel being 8 inches instead of the regular 4 inches, the gun's range increment is 50 feet, so if it comes down to the side arm, you can rest assured your in better range then your opponent. Also, it is high quality, giving a +1 to accuracy. This is all for the price of PDC 17, the same price as the 4 inch Colt Anaconda.
As for accopmanying long arm, im not sure
The problems with the original issue of the M16 arose from shortcuts and misinformation. The barrels and chambers were not chromed, the powder was changed to a cheaper, dirtier version, and the grunts weren't properly instructed in how and when to clean the weapons. The M16A1 pretty well fixed all that.
Oh, and don't forget the improved feed ramps on the M4. That really helped reliability.
The Javilina was AMTs 10 MM longslide IIRC.
OK. It's not necessarily a long slide.
http://glossover.co.uk/amt/Javelina/
I use the black one.
..with these rounds or AP
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IL-liPFY5-I&NR=1
..and this side arm..
He's an old school kind of guy.
For my current character, i am enjoying a DSA SA58 OSW assault rifle. I like this rifle because of the 2d10 damage, but also because it looks menacing, and a little on the professional side. I am also sporting a OTs-33 Pernach. I like the 27 box magazine because it looks intimidating.
I am GMing a separate game at the moment. I recently employed a villain against my PCs who was packing a Mechem NTW-20, with which he harassed the PCs from a great distance. When the PCs located his position, hey closed in and found themselves up against dual OTs-22 submachine guns.
It never hurts to stick one of these under your M16!
Are they re-stocked M14s?
I haven't seen master keys lately either. I have seen infantry guys using chopped down 12ga shotguns as high speed lockpicks. I don't know if they drop it at the door, or carry it into the room, but it is considered an entry tool, not a weapon.
XM26 bolt operated 5 shot 12 gauge shoti
looks pretty crazy there is limited numbers in service, i still think a pistol grip and semi auto would make all the difference but hey
this is what i mean wi the pistol grip thing even if the shoti mags doubled as it or something cause as is that things gonna be a pig to hold
that would be revaloutionary
ya mean them crazy looking things posted by bitter thorn i thought they were custom GIAT FAMAS's but they'd been heavilly re worked as the even the 2 in the pic were different.
They can't be modded FAMASs. The picture shows a gas tap underneath the barrel (like the M14) and the FAMAS doesn't have a gas tap at all.
ya mean them crazy looking things posted by bitter thorn i thought they were custom GIAT FAMAS's but they'd been heavilly re worked as the even the 2 in the pic were different.
I think those are modified Steyr AUGs wrapped in sheet metal. The FAMAS has a much different profile with a gigantic and awkward carry handle that doubles as iron sights. on top.
FAMAS:
http://world.guns.ru/assault/as21-e.htm
Steyr AUG:
http://world.guns.ru/assault/as20-e.htm
M14 Rifle
(Sorry, don't have a place to host the pic.)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FN_SCAR
I'd love to know if they have a decently smooth trigger IRL.;)
BTW, picture trail is about $20 a year for unlimited bandwidth IIRC.
Ignore the bullpup stock for now. That part is easy to mod. Look real close at the barrel. It has the same gas regulator as an M14.
M14 Rifle
(Sorry, don't have a place to host the pic.)
Go from deer season to rioter season by changing the 10-round mag for a 100-round C-Mag...
[Edit] Just checked prices on Betaco's website.
Ummm, nevermind. 20-round mags will be fine...I would have figgured instead of changing mag size,
just switch from .308 softpoints to 7.62AP and drop 3 or 4 rioters per shot
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I would have figgured instead of changing mag size,
just switch from .308 softpoints to 7.62AP and drop 3 or 4 rioters per shot
I'd rather stop one than wound 3-4. AP ammo = little holes.
On a related tangent, has anyone heard of 7.62x51 ammo softloaded to be closer to the 7.62x39mm range? If you make the rounds just powerful enough to reliably operate the action, wouldn't the weapon be easier to control in close encounters of the badguy kind?
I wonder, are those flexible rod bullpups or sliding plate bullpups? I heard the sliding plate ones have a better trigger pull, Singaporean military uses it in the SAR-21. The soldiers had been complaining about the long trigger pull in the original SAR-21, when they were used to M16 triggers.
HK G11
That's all I want to say.
Yes, the d20 Modern shotgun rules suck but I am a big fan of the visual.
a lot of people get mad at the damages of things like the .50 BMG, but i think shotguns are the real injustice. that's why in my games i modify the damages, increasing them by one die. after all, a 12-gauge shell within 30 ft will do as much damage as a 7.62 mm NATO round, and a 10-gauge within 30 ft will annihilate someone about as effectively as a .50 BMG.
as for my favorites? i know they're cheap and old-school, but i can never resist an Avtomat Kalishnikov Model 1947 (AK-47 for those who don't know) or it's variants. slap on a GL-25 grenade launcher and pack a CZ-75 for backup. i'll f*** up someone's s***.
...I think shotguns are the real injustice. that's why in my games i modify the damages, increasing them by one die.
If you really want to model buckshot, treat 12ga as 9, 2d4-1 attacks, and 10ga as 9 2d4 attacks. Roll 9d20s to hit, and give it a range inc like a .22 pistol.
But who has time for all that?
Great for damage + mobility and with two-weapon fighting plus double tap you can deal some serious damage
sorry no stats my friend has my book right now.
I would figure a decently apt person could put a quad or quint plenum TankBrake on the m14 muzzle to drop felt recoil a ton. Just overbore the hole in the first 3 to allow the last 2 to get some decent exhaust gas lovin.
Seems to me like shoving a tank muzzle brake is going to be somewhat awkward, what with it being made for a projectile roughly 15x the diameter.
Seems to me like shoving a tank muzzle brake is going to be somewhat awkward, what with it being made for a projectile roughly 15x the diameter.
It's a style of brake, not necessarily one designed for an actual tank.
That is why you need the Bipod,
to support the 350lb 76mm pipe "Tee" fitting off a tank muzzle
cause you obviously couldnt use the 360lb rifle very well without a bipod, that would be silly
maybe not the 125mm that might be a bit silly but a nice 105mm cannon surely theres a hole in the hunting and recreation market for that :P
We are talking some serious long range markmanship with this equipment.
Forget lobbing Sharps buffalo guns or Barret 50 for long range contests, roll up with a 57mm nylon tip boattail for the long shots.
And I dont care what those Ban idiots say,
you dont rob liquor stores or hold up folks on the subway with a 57mm carriage gun.
Well, not without making it a shorty 57mm Folding Carriage Carbine
.... with a bipod of course ;)
I dont have the DVD, what was the gun OJ Simpson had in Naked Gun? On the roof he pulled a pistol & started adding accessories, and came out with a giant 40mm AA Turret or something silly like that
Well, not without making it a shorty 57mm Folding Carriage Carbine
.... with a bipod of course ;)
Just imagine the tactical light you could put on a "shorty 57mm Folding Carriage Carbine".
Bright enough to boil water! Folks will show up to your shooting range, park downrange and ask when the movie starts.
Where _can_ you get 4" scope rings anyway?
:D
a lot of people get mad at the damages of things like the .50 BMG, but i think shotguns are the real injustice. that's why in my games i modify the damages, increasing them by one die. after all, a 12-gauge shell within 30 ft will do as much damage as a 7.62 mm NATO round, and a 10-gauge within 30 ft will annihilate someone about as effectively as a .50 BMG.
as for my favorites? i know they're cheap and old-school, but i can never resist an Avtomat Kalishnikov Model 1947 (AK-47 for those who don't know) or it's variants. slap on a GL-25 grenade launcher and pack a CZ-75 for backup. i'll f*** up someone's s***.
Nodaisho-
That is why you need the Bipod,
to support the 350lb 76mm pipe "Tee" fitting off a tank muzzle
cause you obviously couldnt use the 360lb rifle very well without a bipod, that would be silly
18 strength: 16 attribute points. Helix warrior: 4 levels. Sleight of hand: 23 ranks. Being able to conceal a 360 pound weapon and fire it off-hand: Priceless.
I don't know why, but like the Beretta 93R with the folding stock and 20-round clip. So i decided to take my 93R and pair it with a none other than a trusty, old machete.
I had a set where the 20rnd SW mags could be used to replace both the compact 12rnd sw469 & fullsize 15rnd sw5906.... meaning I would have (1) 12rnd in a gun, (1) 15rnd in a gun, & (2x twin) 20rnd spares that feed either gun.
Why does that guy have 2 shorty pistol mags?
Lets be real, after you blast thru an entire double collumn mag with your pistol, there is really no need to restrict the mag capacity of the reload. The stealth phase is over, and if you need more than that first mag, you probably need all you can get.
And if you're packing a G-17 and G-26 at the same time, keep a 10-rounder in the 26 and a 17-rounder in the 17, and carry 32-rounders for spares for both weapons. You might as well.
Well, I guess one round per magazine isn't time you are likely to have trouble sparing if your GM allows you to do stuff with your hands while running, but you never know.
Sure, the Tommy's heavier'n'ell and inaccurate as all get out past the third or fourth round, but why not use the same ammo for both your longarm and your sidearm?
ya never gonna go wrong wi a 1911 in my book or one of its offspring
why not use the same ammo for both your longarm and your sidearm?
When you want to hit something more than 100 yards away? ;)
Fair 'nough, fair 'nough. That's why you make friends with Mr. Sniper any time that you're going to be outside an urban area...
Ok, that is extreme, but there are plenty of decent brush carbines that pop a 44mag out to 150-200m for use against mooks. Heck, they have steel rams at 200 for pistol competition with heavy 44mags
to be honest the same ammo isn't that great especially as most of the time you'll be lossing out to more dedicated types of weapons & ammo. sure you mite have a bit more ammo but if ya opponent is hitting you from 300m an you can't hit till 200m ammo's a mute point.
edit: And, for those people really not worried about recoil in their matching-ammo weapons, get a .500 S&W carbine, I don't have any numbers, but I would guess about 8+1 shots, maybe 9+1 with a 20". I heard they push about 2200 FPS out of the carbine, about how long of an effective range would that have?
That makes me wonder, has anyone made a .460 carbine? The pistol at least would also be capable of using .45LC and .460, and I would guess it is possible to make the carbine take those as well, since there are .22 leverguns that take short, long, and LR.
I'm running a d20 campaign, and I have a group of bad-guys, paramilitary commandos, and I wanted to know what types of firearms they should have. For the standard Sidearm I gave them all HK USPs (They seem like good guns because of their modular design and their easy-to-upgrade construction.) Question is, what HK assault rifle would this paramilitary group use (since most groups stick with one weapons manufacturer, I figured this group would use HK assault riffles too.) Any suggestions on an effective, cheap, and good HK assault rifle?
Closest I could think would be G3s, because they aren't used much anymore, they tend to be used in third world armies from what I know. Possibly HK33s or HK53s, which are like G3s in 5.56, but like I said, HK don't do cheap.
Cheap and HK tend to not go together.
Closest I could think would be G3s, because they aren't used much anymore, they tend to be used in third world armies from what I know. Possibly HK33s or HK53s, which are like G3s in 5.56, but like I said, HK don't do cheap.
You are right, you are right, what I MEANT to say was "Do not suggest the G11." I know it is an awesome gun, but it is impossible to find, ridiculously expensive, and you'd have to make your own ammo (which would be far more expensive than normal ammo.)
Let me rephrase: In layman's terms, what are the differences between the HKG3, G33e, G41e, and G36? I don't want to have my low level PCs go up against 2d10 assault rifles, so would there be any non-game reason to chose the smaller G33e or G36 over the larger, deadler G3?
Let me rephrase: In layman's terms, what are the differences between the HKG3, G33e, G41e, and G36? I don't want to have my low level PCs go up against 2d10 assault rifles, so would there be any non-game reason to chose the smaller G33e or G36 over the larger, deadler G3?
The G3 is the old standard, heavy, accurate, durable and (for HK) relatively cheap. There are millions of them around, and they last a long time. Hard to beat, but rather heavy for long patrols and a little long for close-quarter work.
The HK33 is basically a G3 scaled down to take the 5.56mm NATO cartridge. It was HK's first attempt to enter the small-caliber assault rifle market, and by all accounts was a decent gun, but too expensive compared to the AR-15 series. It's not often encountered today, but would make sense for a unit of mercs who had to buy stuff off the secondary market.
The G41 was HK's attempt to rectify some of the HK33's shortcomings. It included a forward bolt assist (similar to the AR-15) and a magazine well designed for NATO STANAG (STANdards AGreement) magazines (i.e. AR-15/M16 mags). Again, it was too expensive for most countries to adopt, and I don't think it ever hit mass production. This one would be pretty much impossible to field for a whole unit.
The G-36 is the latest rifle from HK. It's cheaper to make than the old roller-locked guns, and lighter weight. It's not as durable though, and small parts breakage is more common. However, it'd be harder for an unauthorized group to acquire, as they just aren't as common as the older G3 and HK33 models.
So, basically, you have three viable options:
1. The unit is poorly funded and/or deals with a lot of mid- to long-range fights, thus leading it to equip its forces with surplus G3s.
2. The unit is poorly or adequately funded and either needs only mid-range capability or has an easier time acquiring 5.56mm ammo than 7.62mm, thus leading it to equip its forces with surplus HK33s
3. The unit is well funded and well connected, with the ability to acquire newly-produced weapons. Such a unit may very well choose the G-36, though this would be far more likely with a European unit rather than an American unit, whose members would be more familiar with the AR-15/M16/M4 series of weapons.
On a side note, what do people feel about this group feel about my paramilitary nutjobs using the USP as a universal firearm? And are any of the HK longarms mentioned here easier to modify (or more durable) than others, so that I could stick with this HK versatility paradigm?
but there have been bottle openers on some guns.
I REALLY, REALLY hope your are kidding.
The only thing MORE scary than Guns+Beer is Guns that CAN OPEN BEER.
Well, the Israeli soldiers were using their magazines as bottle openers, which hurt the feeding, so the Galil has a bottle opener on it, so they don't damage the magazines.
For anyone who doubts this (as I did) I present the following as proof:
The Galil ARM also features a folding detachable bipods and a carrying handle. The bipod base incorporates a bottle opener and a wire cutter.
Also . . . there is a picture
I don't . . . I don't . . . I don't know what to say.
I don't . . . I don't . . . I don't know what to say.
I do, "pass me a cold one."
How do you say that over there though?
תן לי בירה.
At least, according to the English-to-Hebrew Website that I found.
I REALLY, REALLY hope your are kidding.
The only thing MORE scary than Guns+Beer is Guns that CAN OPEN BEER.
Leaving aside the Galil Arms bipod/bottle opener combo (that reminds me, somehow, of the Davion tankers who had to use a freshly-emptied Cheops beer can for a track-tension calibration tool in the Battletech universe...dunno why...), wouldn't pretty much any gun be able to open a beer? I mean, it might not be drinkable if the beer was in a bottle (glass does, well, bad things to your digestive tract), but it sure would give new meaning to "shotgunning" a can of beer...:P
The new HK45 is now on the market. Supposedly it corrects a lot of the ergonomic issues of the old USP, though at this point it only has a heinous double-action trigger.
You could also use the S&W M&P45, which is a pretty nice gun for a pretty nice price. Even with the cost of having someone like Bowie Tactical Custom do a trigger job and reliability package, the whole thing will come in under $800 or so. I'd own one if I had the money to spend on yet another .45 ;)
Leaving aside the Galil Arms bipod/bottle opener combo (that reminds me, somehow, of the Davion tankers who had to use a freshly-emptied Cheops beer can for a track-tension calibration tool in the Battletech universe...dunno why...), wouldn't pretty much any gun be able to open a beer? I mean, it might not be drinkable if the beer was in a bottle (glass does, well, bad things to your digestive tract), but it sure would give new meaning to "shotgunning" a can of beer...:P
Hmm... Possibly a pistol could open one, probably with the exposed hammer (make sure the chamber is empty, you don't want any accidents). But I would say that the best way would be a knife, everyone should have one, jam the tip through the bottle top. After all, you should be drinking something strong enough to clean off and polish a knife blade.
Davion tankers 
Leaving aside the Galil Arms bipod/bottle opener combo (that reminds me, somehow, of the Davion tankers who had to use a freshly-emptied Cheops beer can for a track-tension calibration tool in the Battletech universe...dunno why...), wouldn't pretty much any gun be able to open a beer? I mean, it might not be drinkable if the beer was in a bottle (glass does, well, bad things to your digestive tract), but it sure would give new meaning to "shotgunning" a can of beer...:P
Someone might have a deal on Austrian military surplus in the future.
Hey guys, I'm not a crazy gun guy, I don't know too much about them, so I thought I'd ask here for help.
I'm running a d20 campaign, and I have a group of bad-guys, paramilitary commandos, and I wanted to know what types of firearms they should have. For the standard Sidearm I gave them all HK USPs (They seem like good guns because of their modular design and their easy-to-upgrade construction.) Question is, what HK assault rifle would this paramilitary group use (since most groups stick with one weapons manufacturer, I figured this group would use HK assault riffles too.) Any suggestions on an effective, cheap, and good HK assault rifle?
This is what one of my PCs is using in our game.
I use the black one.
..with these rounds or AP
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IL-liPFY5-I&NR=1
..and this side arm..
He's an old school kind of guy.
i'm often in the field with a bottle of bud i want to open! notOr to defeat DragonArmor scales, use the bottle opener to pop off a few disks prior to stabbing the guy
the british army bayonet has a bottle opener on it. makes us laugh
Yeah, I think the Brits saw the wisdom in the Galil's bipod, but realized using the bayonet would be less awkward than using the rifle. Anything like that in the US kit? Or do they just have to use their knife blade to pry the caps off?
I just used the bottle opener I keep on my keychain next to the p38.... well, actually, I still have them on my keychain & use one or the other 10 or more times a week.
Its not a Firearm Combo,
but the keychain bottle opener & p38 is a tough pair to beat.
well i have a slight fondness for the FN F2000 with underslung 40mm grenade launcher and scope. but that is largely just becuse I like the look of it but for non battle field roles (read covert missions) I like the MP-5SD3 basically a silenced version of the MP5 with an extended barrel (thanks to the silencer) and modified to mount an underslung grenade launcher (for when things get messy).
but when distance is needed I like the good old barrett XM500 bullpup .50cal sniper rifle (with good scopes of course)
and for close combat a good old colt 1911 (there's something about that gun I just love) or failing that a GZ G2000 9mm pistol with a laser sight and modified with to take a low power scope (for those prescise head shots at range)
If you like the 1911, you'd probably like its steroid progeny:
LAR Grizzly, based on 45wmag
LAR Grizzly Pic
1400fps for a regular 45 230gr ball slug, also available 50AE later models
1400fps for a regular 45 230gr ball slug, also available 50AE later models
Well, back before Fun in the Sun One,
ha ha reminds me of afganistan :D , the tora bora caves we're nicknamed "the caves of death" by you yanks, you love that kinda s***t.
we called them "tora bora tompkinson" which is a reference to an "it" girl famous for getting drunk being stupidly rich and sleeping with anyone with half a buck to rub together.
army humor is the best :D
crack on!
Well, back before Fun in the Sun One,
I just used the bottle opener I keep on my keychain next to the p38.... well, actually, I still have them on my keychain & use one or the other 10 or more times a week.
Its not a Firearm Combo,
but the keychain bottle opener & p38 is a tough pair to beat.
Quit eyeballin' my keys. Thats my Linus blanket.;)
Past
Tommy gun with Colt1911 or Trantor for back up
Modern era
ZM-LR 300 assult rifle or FN P90 (With more appropraite damage value)
and for back up the Springfield FBI 1911 or a .45 Megastar
Future
Charge Pistol and Gyrojet rifle
If we expand the pool of available weapons then I would like to add to the future catagory the H&K .45 SOCOM II+ pistol from Mongoose publishing's Soldier's Companion for the Armageddon:2089 d20.
all you new guys need to post your picks
However, it's bonus on burst fire and mastercraft bonus is too good to be beat, add a huge (50 round) clip to the mixture, and you can do ridiculous damage every turn. Throw in High Explosive WP rounds from urban arcana and you have a Munchkin Cannon-- eventually, my peaceful charismatic hero became a bloodthirsty maniac because I was just looking for excuses to roll all that dice and hit MAS on every BBEG and genetic monster and such.
Good times.
Another really, really, really cool one: we had this character with a massive penalty to DEX and no BAB, and wasn't proficient in anything. The whole party got together to figure out how he could help in combat, and we came up with this: a pair of sawn-off shot guns dual wielded with those Dragon rounds from the weapons locker. All the penalties to hit in the world don't matter when its a reflex DC. Basically, we had a twin flamethrower-wielding 'combat' accountant. It was cool.
One of the PCs in the Eberron game I'm running has a Minigun with a modified Quiver of Anariel as the "magazine" (The Quiver of Anariel was a magic item from one of the Drist books, I think, that produced infinite arrows that lasted one round). The half-giant of course does not need any other firearm (though he does have a pretty nasty deep crystal scimitar). And yes, I realize that Eberron normally doesn't have firearms, but I ran my PCs through the Mask of Diamond Tears adventure from Dungeon, and well, I've always wanted to mow down a bunch of PCs with a minigun (nearly killed the bard too).
Well, my current d20M game my character has an M14 he uses almost exclusively (3d10 double tap FTW), though he's got an M1911A1 for when he runs out of 7.62mm rounds.
I love M14s, and M1911A1s, you've got good taste. :P
One of the PCs in the Eberron game I'm running has a Minigun with a modified Quiver of Anariel as the "magazine" (The Quiver of Anariel was a magic item from one of the Drist books, I think, that produced infinite arrows that lasted one round).
We call those "John Woo magazines" in Modern.
Like a pistol grip McHydra70-X "275" RocketPistol pod? (1hand Huge)
ripple2 for DTap 1.5x effect
ripple5 for burstfire 2x effect
or ripple7 to shoot 7 (10lb bombs) as 'pellets' for a shotgun effect
That makes a nice pistol to offset the firepower of the
Mc79 breakaction 120mm smoothbore McRifle (2hand Huge)
using just the museum ammo from the abrams, its still a spicy meatball
with pl6 and pl7 120mm active munitions, its pretty darn killy
both of course are using just pl5 current tech, more PLs will yeild more killful versions
If you are looking for a McCarbine,
Bofors McCarbine, 40mmx310 autocannon with a shoulder stock fitted
range increment is NOT just 40'.... ...I'm looking at you Warpath
A lot of people have been talking about the FN SCAR, and I was wondering if anyone has the D20 stats for them?
I'd treat it exactly like every other 5.56mm (SCAR-L) or 7.62x51mm (SCAR-H) assault rifle in terms of damage, range, critical, size, magazine capacity, rate of fire, restriction, etc. The only real difference is that it is easily modifiable into a number of configurations, mainly by changing barrel lengths. Oh, and I'm sure FN is charging a princely sum for them.
I play in a game that doesn't allow it's players to just run around strapped with weapons, so I go with stuff that's easy to conceal.
A Glock 30, it's a compact Glock that fires the 45 caliber round. It grants a +2 bonus to conceal.
Damage 2d6, Critical 20, Range 30', ROF S, Mag 10 box, Size/Weight Small/2 lbs, P.DC 17(Lic.+1)
And I use a concealed push knife in my belt. +4 to conceal, can not be quick drawn.
Damage 1d4, Critical 20 x3, Size/Weight Tiny/.5lbs, P.DC 5 (–)
When I do get out in the wild and can just walk around with a weapon in the open I take my scoped Ruger Mini-14, with a composite stock that makes it lighter(Ultra modern firearms pg 110)
Damage 2d8, Critical 20, Range 90', ROF S, Mag 10 box, Size/Weight Large/5 lbs, P.DC 17 (Lic. +1)
If I could I think I'd just run around with a pair of Mac-10's instead. But I've only seen automatic weapons in the game twice, a midified tec-9, and an unreliable AK-47, stupid gang bangers having cool guns but not taking care of them.
...this is a thread where you can post your favorite Firearm/Firearm Combo.
Compact flamethrower with dual integrated flare guns.
For a non-combat character (once I played an accountant), weapons that target reflex saves can be used without proficiency and no problem. My favourite is dual-wielding Reutech Protecta shotguns (Weapons Locker 154) loaded with dragon rounds (5x20 ft line of 2d6 fire in each hand? Lovely.) No attack roll is needed, so piling up the penalties (-4 nonproficiency, -6/-10 from two-weapon fighting) doesn't matter. Sure, it jams on a 1, but you can't have everything.