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#1 atanakar Aug 09, 2009 6:54:34	Lattest catalogue from WotC : http://www.enworld.org/forum/general-rpg-discussion/259944-details-wizards-coast-2010-spring-catalog.html D&D and Star Wars Saga only until April.
#2 jenrock Aug 09, 2009 8:31:24	While dissappointing, this doesn't come off as a surprise. Thanks for posting though.
#3 finalascent Aug 11, 2009 13:28:33	I recall reading (or hearing on a podcast?) somewhere that the d20 Modern revamp won't be seen until late 2010 or in 2011. They have stated that it's going to happen, so all that's needed is patience. They have a lot on their plate at the moment. Once Star Wars has run its course with all the books they can print without losing money (the saturation point), then d20 Modern is sure to follow it up in short order.
#4 TheRealOrion Aug 11, 2009 13:31:10	They also claimed there would be no 4e and that there would be a superhero supplement to d20M. At this point, I see no reason to trust what they say they'll be doing a year or two down the road. I don't say that to accuse them of being liars, but simply to point out that they're not very good at predicting what they will and won't be capable of accomplishing.
#5 finalascent Aug 11, 2009 13:43:11	For anyone to say there "won't" be something is a little different than saying there "will" be something. Success of a product line, the demands of the fans, and market saturation are what dictate product. D&D 3.5 was suffering from inability to attract a larger market share and market saturation for its current target audience, as well as dissatisfaction with the unchecked rule of power gamers; the simple fact is that the game needed improvement, and it has been the recent philosophy of Wizards that D&D will continue to change and grow as new advancements in RPG gaming are revealed. For d20 Modern there is significant support for the d20 Modern line, with other companies still producing d20 Modern products, as well as the hard-core fan base demonstrated on the net, and they are still working kinks out of fulfilling fan requests. Star Wars: Saga was a step short of the goal and D&D 4e shot a little too far past it, so d20 Modern will undoubtedly seek to find the sharper balance that has been developed by the Star Wars designers and fans. Rodney is currently in charge of d20 Modern development oversight, as I understand it, and he has a lot of ideas on blending and improving on the SW:Saga and D&D 4e rules. Plus, d20 Modern is more generic, which means they pretty much have to produce it if they want the market share that is waiting for an advancement in the generic market.
#6 Cyber-Dave Aug 11, 2009 23:20:48	Rodney is currently in charge of d20 Modern development oversight, as I understand it, and he has a lot of ideas on blending and improving on the SW:Saga and D&D 4e rules. Sorry, what? Do you have a citation and source for that information? As far as I know, Rodney hasn't said anything about d20 Modern in a long time, and he isn't involved in anything to do with d20 Modern one way or another. He is currently the lead designer on the Star Wars Saga product line (which is probably one of the reasons why that product line is so damn amazing, and feels so much like d20 Modern 2.0).
#7 finalascent Aug 12, 2009 10:09:30	My bad on the in charge of development part. I think I confused some of his statements about d20 Modern. I thought he was in charge of d20 Modern, but reviewing the creds, I see I must be getting Star Wars on the brain. I wish I knew where to find all the links, but I don't. Last I heard, d20 Modern revamp was planned, but currently on the back burner while SW:Saga gets established. The date I had seen/heard was some time in late 2010 or in 2011. That I will stick by, unless some new announcement changes it.
#8 dbay Aug 12, 2009 23:56:42	TBPH, I can't really imagine them actually releasing a modern 2. d20 mod seemed sort of second string in importance. I have a conspiracy theory that the poll at the top of the threads is just there to keep the d20 modders complacent, believing that one day there will be an update.... mwahahahaha! Too much? maybe. Could you imagine a 4e modern? "i use my at-will power to cap that guy, giving you +1 to hit for the turn." "thanks! I use that +1 and my at-will power to add my CON score to damage with my colt 1911" "so you're what, digesting his defence?" "and how!" I find this thought very amusing. I can't see how at-wills could really work in modern, and I certainly can't imagine dailies. Our hero, Col mustard breaks into the evil overlord's lair. The overlord only has one minion, SuperMook. Col Mustard shoots SuperMook in the head, using his daily power Headshot Kill, taking him out on the first round of combat. The Evil Overlord stares at Col Mustard in terror, and realizes that mortality is staring back. However, Col Mustard arbitrarily cannot use Headshot Kill again because it was 1/day... so now must settle for adding his WIS to damage or whatever his at-will allows. long story short, overlord wins again. EDIT: I'm not criticizing 4e and not trying to start an edition war- i just don't think it could work for modern.
#9 TheRealOrion Aug 13, 2009 1:07:08	I'm not suggesting it, but it could work for a superhero system. Just sayin'.
#10 finalascent Aug 13, 2009 14:48:53	I find this thought very amusing. I can't see how at-wills could really work in modern, and I certainly can't imagine dailies. Who said there would be at-wills? Just because they mix 4e in a little doesn't mean they're going to toss everything in. I think they will do what is best for d20 Modern and not try to force it into the 4e mold. They will certainly borrow elements from 4e, but I don't think it will be a 4e clone, or else what's the point in creating a separate game? You might as well create Modern supplements based on 4e instead of a Modern core rulebook. And as you suggest, I don't think that would be very well received for Modern. AD&D has always been about making your characters into gods. Modern seems to be about survival in the face of eminent danger, in the sense that you have a very strong chance of not making it. Cinematic actions and power versus very mortal characters. Really, what's the point to a horror adventure in which no one dies? What's the point to a bughunter campaign if solders aren't getting their heads bit off? It's only in Modern that I ever see the suggestion pop up to have more than 1 backup character handy. So I seriously doubt whether the things that make you survive practically immortally are going to show up in any revamp of d20 Modern. There's no money in it.
#11 narukagami Aug 13, 2009 15:26:24	I'll believe it when I see it. Wizards never made any promises, I honestly have no idea where you're getting this from. The only time its ever even come up was in a "podcast" (I'll be honest, I hate that word) as an offhand comment of something that they might maybe do if the feel like it.
#12 trappedslider Aug 13, 2009 15:37:38	I'll believe it when I see it. Wizards never made any promises, I honestly have no idea where you're getting this from. The only time its ever even come up was in a "podcast" (I'll be honest, I hate that word) as an offhand comment of something that they might maybe do if the feel like it. It was a video cast during a D&D game day, I got the host (gamer radio zero) to ask Chris,i wish i could find the link to it...
#13 narukagami Aug 13, 2009 15:38:32	Thats right, it was a video. Either way, it still wasn't any kind of promise. Just a huge maybe.
#14 finalascent Aug 13, 2009 15:46:57	It wasn't just in a podcast (I saw it too). It was also in a product announcement, in which they mentioned future projects, one of them including d20 Modern.
#15 trappedslider Aug 13, 2009 15:58:56	found it Gamer Radio Zer0 19: DnD Game Day but no video:weep I'm sitll looking for the video version
#16 atanakar Aug 15, 2009 7:11:58	TO THE BE READ BY ALL : http://forums.gleemax.com/announcement.php?f=46 Cross your fingers... See you on the other side Major Tom.
#17 narukagami Aug 15, 2009 8:08:05	Bye Bye Modern forum. When it comes to anything programming related Wizards has proven itself time and again to be nothing more than EXTREMELY incompetent. There is little doubt in my mind all these new "features" will be buggy to the point of just not being usable, half the forum accounts will disappear (AGAIN), and they'll "accidentally" kill half the boards. Which will all just happen to be the old edition boards.
#18 finalascent Aug 15, 2009 11:13:56	I would imagine that they are moving to a purchased program. The fact that they have to migrate everything and that they didn't have a testing period for it, or even fanfare as given for the failed Gleemax, suggests a fully functioning pre-programmed suite. I doubt they will forget d20 Modern, but we'll see about that.
#19 atanakar Aug 15, 2009 12:58:52	I concur. Just the fact that the announcement is also posted at the TOP of this forum tells me they are still thinking of us. Oh also. Did you see GI Joe co-produced by Hasbro? Modern 2.0 Material right there. They are «manufacturing conscent*» for a new generation of players... LOL *Wiki : Noam Chomsky
#20 narukagami Aug 15, 2009 13:28:09	Just the fact that the announcement is also posted at the TOP of this forum tells me they are still thinking of us. No it doesn't, it automatically gets posted on the top of every board.
#21 dbay Aug 15, 2009 13:32:59	Okay guys: If they do drop the d20 mod forum in the black ether of the internet, then we relocate to the D&Dinsider forum until they bring it back. Imagine, if you will, the thread topics: -dndi glitch plz help by whoneedscapitalletters -Need Suggestions Please by punctuationisgreat00 -Apple Mac Users by silly mac-user84 -Where you can shove your 5-7 and how hard to do so by angrypeople -ALL-NEW Nuclear powered shotgun slugs by backstabbist makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside... *reminisces back to his communist revolutionary days*
#22 narukagami Aug 15, 2009 13:38:31	I don't know if some of you guys were around for it, or if some of you guys who were even remember, but back when that fool Gamer_Zero was screwing up the forums we had to fight tooth and nail to keep the Modern board from also getting deleted. It was a tense time.
#23 TheRealOrion Aug 15, 2009 14:27:12	Perhaps this is, once again, a good time to move to another forum? A lot of people, myself included, migrated to Brilliant Gameologists, but I found it wasn't the forum for me (I'm not an optimiser and that site is dedicated to optimising). Is there a pre-existing site that we could just move to? Does anyone have the tech skills to build one some place?
#24 Ragitsu Aug 15, 2009 15:23:32	Does anyone have the tech skills to build one some place? I don't think the mod(s) there would be as strict as the ones here. Say what you will, but at least on Wizard's forums people are much more polite than on most others. Plus, it's easier to get new posters here, as what interested customers remain will more easily find this site.
#25 TheRealOrion Aug 15, 2009 15:33:11	The presence or absence of swearing has little to do with politeness. It's perfectly possibly to troll like a mofo while not swearing. Besides, when's the last time a mod actually intervened around here? My point is, I'm happy to stay here, but if "here" doesn't exist any more, I want somewhere else to go. Posting here really helps me design games and rules.
#26 Ragitsu Aug 15, 2009 15:36:08	The presence or absence of swearing has little to do with politeness. It's perfectly possibly to troll like a mofo while not swearing. Huh? No one mentioned swearing.
#27 trappedslider Aug 15, 2009 17:24:31	I'll send in a question to calriefy this mess,but it may not get answered for a week or two dependong on hows in the office... EDIT: IT should be noted that its NOT repete NOT a reorginzation,simply a migration
#28 TheRealOrion Aug 15, 2009 21:16:15	Huh? No one mentioned swearing. Sorry, you're totally right. I think I jumped to that conclusion because I perceive an absence of actual moderating on this forum and the presence of really dumb word filter that won't let me use the word "pi ss."
#29 trappedslider Aug 16, 2009 18:52:19	I'll send in a question to calriefy this mess,but it may not get answered for a week or two dependong on hows in the office... EDIT: IT should be noted that its NOT repete NOT a reorginzation,simply a migration and heres the answer Eric, Unfortunately, I have no information regarding the forums of our other products. Please keep an eye on the forums or website, as any news about such changes will be posted there first. Charles Online Response Crew Wizards of the Coast 1-800-324-6496 (US and Canada) 425-204-8069 (From all other countries) Monday-Friday 9am-6pm PST / 12pm-9pm EST Saturday-Sunday 10am-4pm PST / 1pm-7pm EST so in another thread,i asked Michelle the one in charge of the over all forum stuff to come down and here give us an answer hopefully before the forums go down
#30 atanakar Aug 16, 2009 20:40:15	I don't think the mod(s) there would be as strict as the ones here. Say what you will, but at least on Wizard's forums people are much more polite than on most others. Plus, it's easier to get new posters here, as what interested customers remain will more easily find this site. Indeed. Sorry I caused a panic. But after rereading the announcement by Michelle I'm convinced Modern boards will be there after the switch. Its actually kind of cool that we will get wiki and stuff. I've tried before to maintain a D&D4E campaign thread in the forums. The format is all wrong. Wiki will be much better for anyone like CyberDave's SWSE campaign setting or my defunked Future Galactic Concord campaign. Plus you get to choose who can contribute. Good ridance derailers.;)
#31 Webster Aug 16, 2009 20:51:59	No need to worry guys. I haven't gotten any requests/discussions on what should "stay or go". Everything looks like it will just be a straight transfer ;) :D
#32 narukagami Aug 16, 2009 22:39:26	Nothing will stay or go on purpose of course. It took them over a year to get the search function to work at all, on top of the disaster that came with the initial Gleemax migration, there is little doubt in my mind this will be a huge disaster... So who wants to start a pool on how many user accounts completely disappear again?
#33 dbay Aug 16, 2009 23:04:51	So who wants to start a pool on how many user accounts completely disappear again? I vote ten internets that it will be exactly 1/4 of the users in the charops board, 1/2 of the users (including yours truly) in this board, 1/3 of all users on other 3.x and 3.x-related boards, 1/10 of users from the 4e boards, and nobody from astrid's parlour. ten internets and a pie.
#34 Ragitsu Aug 17, 2009 0:38:36	I hope this account isn't lost.
#35 trappedslider Aug 17, 2009 19:37:05	Heh. I am NOT deleting any public forums. there
#36 narukagami Aug 17, 2009 20:14:37	there Still don't trust Wizards with anything IT related as far as I can throw them. I'd still be prepared for the worst since their general IT incompetence has shown though in the past to create disastrous accidents.
#37 Ragitsu Aug 17, 2009 20:19:12	Still don't trust Wizards with anything IT related as far as I can throw them. I'd still be prepared for the worst since their general IT incompetence has shown though in the past to create disastrous accidents. Didn't we discuss this in another thread? I seem to recall quite a few posters stating they would not post any new mechanics here for fear of it being taken for that use.
#38 TheRealOrion Aug 17, 2009 21:18:13	I think those are two different issues: (a) the boards going down and losing a bunch of "archived" material, and (b) linking anything we come up with rather than posting it here because posting it here makes the copyright revert to Wizards. NB: I don't have any objection to Wizards writing their forum rules such that they "own" anything posted here. It would seem to be a defensive measure more than anything else. I just wanted to clarify that that is not meant as a side-long attack on their business practises.
#39 atanakar Aug 27, 2009 20:29:15	...back from the dark side Major Tom. So, knowing the forums were going down and knowing mishaps have happened in the past how many of you actualy took counter measures?