Same on you! Shame on you for letting us down. d20 Modern is a good system. I have read posts on here and the forum mods talk about "moving on", "letting go", or whatever it takes to make us feel better about WotC scrapping d20 Modern all together. They say they read all the posts we put out, but that is a lie. If they did d20 Modern would stay.
I cannot believe that Maple Story or ΒΌ of the other games that WotC is putting together is more profitable then d20 Modern! Maybe if they put out more supplements it would be.
What is even worse is that they are going to completely eliminate d20 Modern from the server soon. Like these forums take up that much room! We who play d20 Modern still need a place to talk and share ideas even if WotC will not recognize us!
Shame, shame on WotC for abandoning us.
CTRMann
. There is simply so much you can do with this one product that it hardly necessitates the purchase of another.It's not perfect, but it's nearly fully comprehensive - the only thing I wish was in here is a section dealing with specific environments (desert, forest, plains, tundra, etc)
The core rulebook, is, ironically, it's own greatest enemy
It's not perfect, but it's nearly fully comprehensive - the only thing I wish was in here is a section dealing with specific environments (desert, forest, plains, tundra, etc)
x2
An environment supplement would be good.
** Keep bumping this to the top!**
Bah! : dismissive hand-wave :
I've had a lot of fun with d20M, both as a GM and as a player. I've been playing it for a few years now, which actually means that as a product it is getting a bit long in the tooth.
If you guys feel you can make a new d20 Modern, a better d20 Modern, then, yeah! I'd sure like to see it.
-K
-American Submarine Commander in Hunt for Red October
Can you enlighten us a little bit, please? Are you talking about the fact this board got moved, eliminating this board altogether, not creating a d20 modern 2e or what?
I haven't got Urban Arcana, so I wouldn't know. ;)
unfortunately... this is part of the problem...
unfortunately... this is part of the problem...
And what problem are you referring to?
If they made a d20 Military or whatever, I'm sure they'd want it. Because that's what we like to play. But they don't . So I've bought/downloaded 3rd Party material so we can play military campaigns.
And I actually don't buy the books, coz I GM at an youth club, so they buy the books, not me. We more or less get to choose the products though.
if you dont buy the product... theyre not going to support it...
That is not quite accurate.
We bought d20Future.
And it was bad.
But rather than supporting it with FutureTech fixing the horrific problems with the base concepts, it spread Bondo over 20% of the problems, broke its own rules, and was generally a book to be bought for the sake of buying books rather than playing the book.
I refuse to subscribe to the belief that we need to buy more bad books as a form or good book lottery... if we buy enough books one is bound to be good sooner or later. (good as in proof read, edited, playtested for more than 20 mins)
(good as in proof read, edited, playtested for more than 20 mins)
quoted for truth.
"...and all I got was this lousy Tshirt" came to mind.
**I bought d20 Future, and all I got was this lousy FutureTech!**
*coughs*D20PAST*coughBesides that crappy five seven. :D
Well, it might be due to the fact that the people I play with don't feel the need to play a magicfilled campaign when they play d20 Modern. That's what they have D&D for.
that's a good enough reason for me to not buy the book...
And I actually don't buy the books, coz I GM at an youth club, so they buy the books, not me. We more or less get to choose the products though.
at least someone is buying books...
(side note: i think it is awesome that you do community work, which i assume is what you are doing at the youth club...???)
my main issue/point is that lots and lots of times ive seen people go whacko about how wotc doesnt support modern... then when someone asks about the books that same person tells them to just download the msrd cause its got all you need in it, and you dont have to buy any books... ive spent my money on the books so i feel like i have a right **** and moan about no support... not the freeloader pushing the msrd for free...
as for the msrd... i think wotc shot themselves in the foot by making it free to all... they should have required a small fee for the rules... IMO...
I'm frankly only happy with the d20 modern rulebook and weapons locker.
Besides that crappy five seven. :D
The 5-7 rocks! Best gun in the books!
-K
The 5-7 rocks! Best gun in the books!
-K
Bash bash bash bash bash :P
The 5-7 rocks! Best gun in the books!
-K
Yeah, but then you have the FN P90, 50 rounds of 2d8 damage. *I'll go bash myself now* :D
(to answer Godmoney's side note: well, I wouldn't call it community work. It's just that when I was younger I loved that youth club, but there were no GMs for what I wanted to play - so I played a lot of DnD - but now that I'm older, I decided to GM some Modern stuff [I've GM'ed plenty of DnD too though] and talked to a few friends about it. And now there's like 12 people who wanna game with us. So I wouldn't exactly call it community work, but I get what you mean.
)My toy is "broke" and it doesn't do X. I could gripe but the muckity mucks already gots my cash. These forums are the perfect place to find like minded individuals that agree/disagree with what I'm saying and, if I'm nice, they might help me with my problem.
Those of us who are bright (disclaimer: not before 11am and must have Mt Dew in system) might have the sense to network and seek individuals that might offer a working solution and be sure to print the solution. Add said solution (tape, staple, natural adhesive:booger) to the spot in the book that is causing the amount of grief and enjoy your modified game. I, among others, don't need a factory stock solution to any of these issues and am perfectly happy to remember that I can use whichever of the rules I feel like at that moment.
I agree with Tema here. If I want something with magic, I play AD&D. Something with bullets, D20 Modern.
We could all do to read some of Gygax's work on Game Mastering. Encourages "thinking outside the box" or the book in this case.
Doug
We could all do to read some of Gygax's work on Game Mastering. Encourages "thinking outside the box" or the book in this case.
Doug
How can i think outside the box,if they won't let out of it?:P
... too soon?
Gygax won't be doing much thinking in his current box!
... too soon?
Gygax won't be doing much thinking in his current box!
... too soon?
Awwww....Stinky Numba 10!!!
Although we could hope for a Transcended Ancients move or I'd settle for a short punch vs. coffin Kill Bill moment.
@TrappedSlider: They won't let me NEAR the box. You get that Freak label once and it never goes away.....
Doug
Dont recall ever being in the same vicinity of it, though.
I think the relationship betwen me & The Box is best described as
Indirect Fire.
Example:
Just because you dont see a use for a 9" SPURS warhead (Special Purpose Unconvetional: Rodent Submunition) that crosses a mountain then releases 644 Irate Hamsters on the enemy from a 200' up.... that dont mean I wont stat one up.
Just because you dont see a use for a 9" SPURS warhead (Special Purpose Unconvetional: Rodent Submunition) that crosses a mountain then releases 644 Irate Hamsters on the enemy from a 200' up.... that dont mean I wont stat one up.
We should make a list of this sh*t.
This is right next to the AntiMedicBomb, the Mage8 Disbelief Amour, etc...
...Rodent Submunition... tsk tsk. :D
I know that I'm an R rated fool.
Doug
I'll talk to them and see if they can add a d20 forum section to one of theyre sites they've built... hell they'd use it too, they're in my D&D group. I'll post back with more info in a few days after gettin' ahold of them
1) D20 modern as an RPG line book wise is on hold atleast till 2009
2)The forums are not going anywhere
2a) We will however lose the subforums minus past and future (I think)
3)D20 is still going to be the egengin that runs the game along with D&D 4e
I've heard of The Box.
Dont recall ever being in the same vicinity of it, though.
I think the relationship betwen me & The Box is best described as
Indirect Fire.
Example:
Just because you dont see a use for a 9" SPURS warhead (Special Purpose Unconvetional: Rodent Submunition) that crosses a mountain then releases 644 Irate Hamsters on the enemy from a 200' up.... that dont mean I wont stat one up.
Man, that reminds me of the Care Gerbils my friend TC would keep going on.. genetically altered Gerbils.. used in all kinds of manners to kill or maim your target. Usually when they'd hit or get close to their target, they'd yell out 'I'd die for your pleasure', and had creepy grins as they came at you. He once had a MIRV stated up that would deploy about 500 to 1000 of these gerbil submunitions per missile in the warhead.
I want to see 9" SPURS warhead stats now!
Okay
2a) We will however lose the subforums minus past and future (I think)
Is this happening and when? Kinda makes me feel bad for starting the two Earth 2.0 threads I've started knowing they don't have a chance to live. Puts a damper on wanting to progress the storyline.
Is this happening and when? Kinda makes me feel bad for starting the two Earth 2.0 threads I've started knowing they don't have a chance to live. Puts a damper on wanting to progress the storyline.
Why? We will lose the subforums, past and future excepted. You've made 'em in Past, so no problems.
Right?
Is this happening and when? Kinda makes me feel bad for starting the two Earth 2.0 threads I've started knowing they don't have a chance to live. Puts a damper on wanting to progress the storyline.
No clue when its gonna happen.....
HASSLING NIGERIAN SCAMMERS!!! This is truly a fun sport for the Cynical.
Doug
I've just started making a Mass Effect campaign for the system and already based on all these threads and the horribly low traffic on the boards I'm wondering if I should even bother already. Or consider removing it from d20 Modern entirely and using another/custom system.
I wonder if I'm the only person who remembers the fact that d20 Modern was only meant to be a showcase of the versatility of the d20 System....
Interesting. I'm curious. Where did you hear that? What does it mean for us?
Okay
1) D20 modern as an RPG line book wise is on hold atleast till 2009
2)The forums are not going anywhere
2a) We will however lose the subforums minus past and future (I think)
3)D20 is still going to be the egengin that runs the game along with D&D 4e
Thanks for filling us in. It's kind of hard to tell exactly what is going on .
Gygax won't be doing much thinking in his current box!
... too soon?
I really shouldn't be amused but... LMAO!!!!
So WoTC is giving up on Modern. Then we will do exactly what everyone else will do when this forum is shut down. We will google every day until a fansite pops up with a forum and a chat room. We will still play and we will still give suggestions and share ideas through the underground grape-vine. If we have come up with so many ideas of our own (the rodent bombs and so fourth), then we can improve the game ourselves into an infinite structure of guns, classes, and adventures. WoTC is basically giving the players and GMs the wheel and letting them drive the machine of D20M on their own.
Count me in on something like that!!!!
For those who are unhappy with what Community Management has done...
[forum=725]You need to go here to complain[/forum]. See, there's a thread there for voicing complaints about Community Management. And they think that because only 30 people or so have made the majority of the posts that everything is fine and dandy with the forum.
So if you're unhappy with something, go tell them.
But I'll remember a page from the Army that's, "Wait and See..." approach.
Jury is still out on my other idea.
Doug
I think it blows that they are "letting go" of Modern, but look on the brightside. It gives us, the players and gms, a chance to really make the system our own. Obviously we can't be breaking copyright law and such, but just to homebrew the hell out of the system.
D20 modern as an RPG line book wise is on hold atleast till 2009
Mutiny is an old habit/hobby of mine.
Doug
AFIK there is no new tollerance of it that hasnt been here all along. We could always write our own stuff.... like Blood&XXXX, right?
*sigh*
Still, with Starwars's better use of the Talent System, D20 Modern feels so out of date, yet its modular nature makes me still love it, so I would really like to see an update of the D20 Modern Classes using the more useful talent structure from Starwars.
I've seen 4e. I pray any future versions of Modern that might pop up (fat chance) will be nothing like it...
They want to play a game different from the standard elf, dwarf, human, halfling party killing kobolds, goblins, and monsters. Most of our players play Modern because they are sick of greatswords and fireballs, instead wanting to reenacted "Commando" or "The Matrix". The rules are too open for players, creating a desire for new books based on what we want. We don't want another future book or another urban arcana. They already have enough campaign settings from D20 Modern, D20 Future, D20 Past, and D20 Apocalypse to broaden Modern away from Guns and Spells...
Here's a thought...if you don't want magic and greatswords in your game, don't use them. The fact of the matter is that as a GM, you can restrict access to certain rules and equipment. Instead of complaining about a system that tries to be as flexible and accommodating as possible, just keep UA or Future on the shelf.
I think it blows that they are "letting go" of Modern, but look on the brightside. It gives us, the players and gms, a chance to really make the system our own. Obviously we can't be breaking copyright law and such, but just to homebrew the hell out of the system.
That's very easy to say. In fact, many have said it. But when members of this forum try to get people together to create said 'hell', the boards get as silent as a graveyard. There's nothing wrong with posting your rules for 'd20 X that I saw in a tv show/movie', but the most successful homebrew needs to be universal, applying to a wide range of games. That's what I've tried to do in my work (SPOILER ALERT: I'm hoping to post the first chapter of a new campaign setting with the next week or so.)
I've seen 4e. I pray any future versions of Modern that might pop up (fat chance) will be nothing like it...
I've seen it too...from your mouth to God's ear, buddy. Not only are there things I hate about 4e, but there are some elements that, if applied to d20M, would completely wreck the system (paragon paths and epic destinies, anyone?). It's almost worth starting a new thread just to show WOTC that giving d20 Modern the 4e treatment is a gargantuan mistake.
Clubswingers would be the only Basic Class with full BAB,
and Gunman would get a lesser BAB.
But this is Modern, and you can tell their focus by where they put the BAB.