http://www.nothingtoxic.com/media/1202094606/The_AA-12_is_the_Most_Deadly_Shotgun_on_Earth
Can anyone come up with stats for that beast? :P
Besides that, I think the ammo is the more nifty part. Stat-wise I think it amounts to more damage, and maybe some burst radius?
Caliber: 12 gauge 2-3/4"
Damage: 2d8 (or 2d10 if you use an intelligent house-rule)
Critical: 20x2
Range increment: 40'
Magazine: 10, 20 or 32 [Box]
Rate of Fire: S,A
Size: Large
Purchase DC: ?
Restriction: Mil[+3] (Since it's a full-auto weapon made after 1986, it is only available to Military/Law Enforcement agencies. No civilian sales. A semi-auto version would almost certainly be ruled a Destructive Device by the BATFE, which carries a Res[+2] restriction)
The new ammo, though... that gives me a racing feeling in my heart. Treat it as a slug for purposes of range increment (i.e. double the range increment to 60', -2 to hit per range increment, no damage penalty per range increment). Anyone actually hit by the round takes 2d10 damage as per a standard shotgun slug. In addition, the three grenades have the following effects:
HE: 5' burst radius, 2d6 concussion damage
Frag: 10' burst radius, 3d6 slashing damage
HEAT: 5' burst radius, 2d6 concussion damage. HEAT rounds ignore 5 points of Hardness on a direct hit. Direct hits deal 1d10 Ballistic damage and 2d10 Fire damage instead of the normal 2d10 Ballistic damage.
All explosive rounds carry a Res[+2] restriction, as they are considered Destructive Devices. Any weapon used to fire them must also be registered as a Destructive Device (in effect, making the firearm a Res[+2] weapon).
this is the worlds most dangerous shotgun in the world
http://www.military.com/soldiertech/0,14632,Soldiertech_M1028,,00.html?ESRC=soldiertech.nl
@ 120mm Shotgun shell:
like the 90mm Stovepipe m67 with its canister blast of 2000+ flechettes
one place claims an 8 degree cone of hurtfulness for a few hundred yards
EDIT: and mobility
Yeah, but the AA-12 can dish out so much damage so quickly
the 90mm does way more damage far faster.
How long does it take the AA-12 to fire 20 shots, vs the 1 shot for insanely more damage.
And imagine having three of those pepper a target with the mini-grenades. Oh my god....
Again, imagine one of the 90mm pepper a target with 90mm HE.
.... and yes, there is a nice fat 90mm HEAT ammo as well.
And because it has be Obsoleted by the US, you can pick up a bunch of 90mm in the discount clearance bin. For greater mobility when using it as a dedicated Shotgun, I suggest going SawedOff Shotgun style with it. Sure you would lose 50-75% of your range, but when the 90mm shotgun starts with a few hundred yards of 8degree it will do just fine as 75m 30degree ShortyShoty..... and still be well beyond the 16" barrel limmit for classII shortys: 3' of barrel will make everyone happy... well, not the ones its pointing at (or near) but everyone else
sawn of bazooka is an odd an vaguely terrifying thought especially dumping 90mm's worth of pellets your way.
i'm still saying the 120mm cannister round is the clear winner though noone stated it had to be man portable
... I really dislike the host though.
Ugh, I am with you there. What a cheeseball.
Futureweapons is decent gunporn, but you really should mute the sound and have a web browser open to look up the _real_ info on the stuff they show.
Ugh, I am with you there. What a cheeseball.
Futureweapons is decent gunporn, but you really should mute the sound and have a web browser open to look up the _real_ info on the stuff they show.
:D That was exactly what I did after hearing him talk for a minute or so.
i watched one the other day about the f22 raptor and the only actual fact was that it kicks out 70,000lbs of thrust and the rest was just people going "oh god i like so freekin love this plane dude" and various other cheesy lame opinions.
The salesman just wants your money, the maintainance guy might be selling you rumor as fact.
sorry was stuck in sales mode
though 30 years in gun tech terms is a long time in terms of materials etc and design so it wouldn't surprise me that they managed to reduce recoil by some degree and cut back on weight.
P.S. My cousin wants the AA-12 for duck hunting.
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ok i take your shotgun and raise you 120mm
this is the worlds most dangerous shotgun in the world
http://www.military.com/soldiertech/0,14632,Soldiertech_M1028,,00.html?ESRC=soldiertech.nl
ha ha what did i tell ya, thats a cool vid
fire control would make it a cake walk
I would even help wrapping the clays in foil so the radar can see them.
so the 300m front crawl would be SEALs, vs SBS vs Spetnatz etc etc
clay pigeon shooting, goalkeeper and phalanx etc
shot put would as90 vs paladin etc
that would be an olympics i'd actually be bothered about and it might even justify current world spending on defence
Last time we tried using military gear at the olympics we were disqualified... George Patton was shooting pistol at the Olympics for the US, and his .38 caliber holes made one giant group over the target designed for 22s. He wouldnt shoot 22 cause it wasnt a service caliber. He got in an arguement with an official when they said he had a shot miss the paper entirely, Patton said the last shot obviously went thru the large hole created by the previous shots.... well, arguing with Patton is never pretty, he ended up getting disqualified.
If you thought Patton was a badazz with a tank battalion,
and his olympic pistol shooting was impressive,
wait till you read up on his mastery of the sabre.
... but that would go too far off topic here
edit:
but it would explain why Strong heros get Knowlege Tactics. Obviously Gen Patton was Str10/MA10 for the super pistol BAB, insane melee with Sabre, and masive kTactics to spank armies dug in across europe.
ok i take your shotgun and raise you 120mm
this is the worlds most dangerous shotgun in the world
http://www.military.com/soldiertech/0,14632,Soldiertech_M1028,,00.html?ESRC=soldiertech.nl
I'll see your 120 and raise you an 18.1". (If you want the most dangerous shotgun ever, the Yamato and Musashi could ues their main guns as shotguns...)
And because it has be Obsoleted by the US, you can pick up a bunch of 90mm in the discount clearance bin. For greater mobility when using it as a dedicated Shotgun, I suggest going SawedOff Shotgun style with it. Sure you would lose 50-75% of your range, but when the 90mm shotgun starts with a few hundred yards of 8degree it will do just fine as 75m 30degree ShortyShoty..... and still be well beyond the 16" barrel limmit for classII shortys: 3' of barrel will make everyone happy... well, not the ones its pointing at (or near) but everyone else
Yeah, clearance, but you still have to deal with those pesky little tax stamps. Course, you have to do that with the grenade ammo too.
Am I the only one that is reminded somewhat of the piecemaker from discworld? The one-ton siege crossbow carried by a troll, loaded with bundles of a couple hundred longbow arrows?
I remember him talking about them trying WW2 Battleship Grapeshot when I suggested leaving one turret of the Iowa as smoothebore for anti-aircraft shotgun work. They didnt go the whole nine yards though. As far as I've found, it is the 18.1" Incindiary Canister load from a rifled bore for the Yamato... not a true smootheboore 1" grapeshot.
As were most Japanese warships, the Yamato and Musashi were provided with a special anti-aircraft incendiary shrapnel shell officially designated as "3 Shiki tsûjôdan" (Common Type 3) and supposedly nicknamed "The Beehive," but this could be apocryphal. This round weighed 2,998 lbs. (1,360 kg) and was filled with 900 incendiary-filled tubes. A time fuze was used to set the desired bursting distance, usually about 1,000 meters (1,100 yards) after leaving the muzzle. These projectiles were designed to expel the incendiary tubes in a 20 degree cone extending towards the oncoming aircraft with the projectile shell itself being destroyed by a bursting charge to increase the quantity of steel splinters. The incendiary tubes ignited about half a second later and burned for five seconds at 3,000 degrees C, producing a flame approximately 5 meters (16 feet) long.
The concept behind these shells was that the ship would put up a barrage pattern through which an attacking aircraft would have to fly. However, these shells were considered by US Navy pilots to be more of a visual spectacular than an effective AA weapon
That would be a whole lotta d6 extra for Fire damage
to be fair though its not quite a shotgun but its close enough. :D
But they have the magnesium flake shotshells for 12ga, ones back in the 80's and the current DragonsBreath. Makes any shotgun a snapshot Flamethrower for a few dozen yards.
Would the Ripple7 shot, lighting all 7 rockets, from a 2.75Dumbfire 'Hydra70' be considered a recoiless shotgun?
Where is that shotty Jimmy The Squeeler made.....
Jimmy the Squeeler's
Tripple Twelve Sawed-off PL5
Damage: 2d8.
Critical: 20.
Damage Type: Ballistic
Range Increment: 10 ft.
Rate of Fire: Single.
Magazine: 3 Internal.
Size: Lage
Weight: 6 lb.
Purchase DC: 18 & Craft Mechanical DC25 (some assembly required)
Restriction: Illegal(+4)
Notes:If this weapon if fully-loaded, a character can fire all 3 barrels at once. The character receives a –2 penalty on the attack but deals +2 die of damage with a successful hit. Attacking this way uses all 3 shotgun shells.
This started as a 12-gauge, double-barreled shotgun with the stock and barrels sawed short, per standard sawed-off shotguns. But Jimmy felt the world was picking on him, and he needed an edge, in the form of more firepower- If 2 barrels was good, 3 would be better. So with his many ranks in craft & repair, he fashioned himself a Tripple Barrel Shotgun.... and promptly sawed it off.
That triple-barrel would be really good as a legal weapon in the UK, they can only have three shots in a shotgun, why not have them all ready to fire at once?
there funny its always great to give it to a rookie an watch it scare the wits out of em cause they didn't hold on tight enough to stop it dumping all 3
In my opinion, the most deadly shotgun on earth at any given moment is the one pointed in your direction...
touché
though if you want a truly lethal shot gun try a punt gun. just look here
basically think of a shotgun with a 2inch diamiter barrel (50mm) and fireing the best part of 0.5kg of shot (about the weight of a bag of sugar)
What about 8" arty m449 APICM that turns into "Uh-oh, Its raining grenades"
A punt gun would have gone really well with the end of "The birds", I have to say.
lol I almost fell off my bed reading that. (good thing i put the bowl down before logging on)
Would a Nuke MIRV fall into our discussion limits of what constitutes "Shotgun"?
What about 8" arty m449 APICM that turns into "Uh-oh, Its raining grenades"
well traditionaly speaking a shotgun is any smoothbore gun that fires multiple pellets in a scattering effect. though some modern shotguns do have a rifled barrel so I guess that can be dismissed so technically even a challenger MK2 main battle tank fireing discarding sabot flechette rounds out of it's 120mm barrel could be considered a shot gun lol.
i guess there's no real limit on what could be classed as a shotgun with that definition lol
but legaly speaking as shotgun is any semiauto weapon designed to be fired from the shoulder and to fire "shot" through a smooth bore.
though most modern shotguns break atleast one of the above rules so I guess there are no rules to what is a shotgun lol
but legaly speaking as shotgun is any semiauto weapon designed to be fired from the shoulder and to fire "shot" through a smooth bore.
though most modern shotguns break atleast one of the above rules so I guess there are no rules to what is a shotgun lol
Legally, a shotgun is any weapon designed to be fired from the shoulder and to fire multiple pellets or slugs through a smooth bore. Semi-auto has no part of the description.
This is actually a very important definition, as it nailed at least one gun shop owner. The stockless, pistol-gripped 'cruiser'-type shotguns, while not restricted by the NFA in terms of paperwork or tax stamps, are still not technically 'shotguns' under the law, and require a purchaser to be 21 years old instead of 18. It's archaic, it's weird, and it makes no sense, but the ATF will bust you for it anyway.
You talking about the situation that nails pistol owners with the fed Short Barreled Rifle rule when they put a butstock on their pistol?
8" 44mag smoothe bore revolver pistol : ok
8" 44mag smoothe bore revolver pistol + stock : crime
ok, smoothebore multiple discharger still fits the 8" arty shell:
The expulsion charge 'shoots' the multiple grenades rearward out the unrifled 'bore' in the casing... shotgun style.
Johannixx,
You talking about the situation that nails pistol owners with the fed Short Barreled Rifle rule when they put a butstock on their pistol?
8" 44mag smoothe bore revolver pistol : ok
8" 44mag smoothe bore revolver pistol + stock : crime
Nope. I'm talking about 18"-bbl Mossberg w/ stock = must be 18 to buy.
18"-bbl Mossberg w/o stock, just w/ pistol grip = must be 21 to buy, even though it's not technically an NFA item.
Legally, a shotgun is any weapon designed to be fired from the shoulder and to fire multiple pellets or slugs through a smooth bore. Semi-auto has no part of the description.
This is actually a very important definition, as it nailed at least one gun shop owner. The stockless, pistol-gripped 'cruiser'-type shotguns, while not restricted by the NFA in terms of paperwork or tax stamps, are still not technically 'shotguns' under the law, and require a purchaser to be 21 years old instead of 18. It's archaic, it's weird, and it makes no sense, but the ATF will bust you for it anyway.
well I guess that depends on where one lives as laws are diffrent for each country like here in the UK it's illegal for any pump action shotgun to hold more than 3 shells even if the tube mag can hold more. then again we have some stupid laws regarding weapons (don't get me started on the dumb bowhunting laws and the ownership of fake decorative katanas here *grumble*).
the problem with legaly discribing what a shotgun is, is near imposible as some countries consider a pistol modified to fire shotgun shells as a shotgun while other countries consider such a weapon a pistol. some people would consider a black powder musket loaded with shot to be a shot gun while another would consider it a musket simply becuse it doesn't use a cartridge. in some places a shotgun is only a semi auto weapon and if developed as an auto fire weapon (such as the jackhammer or AA12) it's put in a diffrent class of weapons while other places would consider the same weapon a shotgun just like any other. I've even seen laws that state that if a shot gun is fitted with a riffled barrel it's nolonger a shotgun but in a unique class of weapons (I hate lawyers and polititians they make things too complicated)
but if you ask me any weapon fireing shot is a shot gun even if it's a high bore rifle using discarding sabot multiple-fletchette rounds or a bamboo tube filled with water, stones and placed over a fire (a basic steam gun)
http://www.army-technology.com/projects/puma_tracked/puma_tracked4.html
its a 30mm airburst round that dumps 152 tungsten projectiles, delivered at a rate of 700 rounds a minute :evillaugh
surely that puts me back on top
Johannixx,
You talking about the situation that nails pistol owners with the fed Short Barreled Rifle rule when they put a butstock on their pistol?
8" 44mag smoothe bore revolver pistol : ok
8" 44mag smoothe bore revolver pistol + stock : crime
Actually, both are NFA items. Any smoothbore pistol is an 'Any Other Weapon', requiring a $5 tax stamp and an ATF Form 1 to create, or Form 4 to transfer between individuals (Form 3 for FFL/SOT dealers, and IIRC Form 7 for government agencies). A smoothbore pistol + stock is a 'short-barreled shotgun' and requires the same paperwork plus a $200 tax stamp.
While the bursting munition is nice, 700rpm of 132 pellet bursts...
Just what kind of sand grain sized pellets(cylinders) do you fit 130+ of in just a wee lil 30mm shell?
Now, if it was 700rpm of 27 "16d Nails" getting bursted onto guys... well, then you'd have something.
i don't think my shotgun is that in effectual, granted 30 secs is a big burst i just wanted to show off the silly numbers ya can produce.
a 5 second burst still dumps 7778 pellets down range
just the appilcation of choosing high count pellets rather than high mass pellets.
Mr Vice Pres shot his friend with how many pellets?
Good thing they were small & not 00buck, otherwise the guy would have been in trouble. As with most cases, size matters when getting hit with shot.
A pelet in the arm
does very little harm,
A pellet in the head,
makes you quite dead. -- Fred the Singing Bandit (c. LEG)
We have Birdshot, and Buckshot,
what we need it DudeShot for tactical situations. Like a charge of Live 22cb ammo, that after the pattern hits you, it shoots you 8 times from the inside
also there tungsten darts so they have a higher pen profile and velocity then shoty pellets.
the real key though is the time delay airburst, if ya get rid of that then stabbist you get what you want
a round that enters the body then forces 120 darts out of you into ya squad mates. :evillaugh
Technically, we didnt shoot at the medics or hospital... not our fault they tried to remove live ord by surgury.
"Dammet Jim, I'm a Doctor not an EOD Robot"
AntiAircraft/AnitTank/AntiPersonel/AntiMedic roles.
Technically, we didnt shoot at the medics or hospital... not our fault they tried to remove live ord by surgury.
"Dammet Jim, I'm a Doctor not an EOD Robot"
:evillaugh
AnitiMedic roles.
Technically, we didn't shoot at the medics or hospital... not our fault they tried to remove live ord. by surgery.
You, sir, are Evil and must be destroyed.
But we WILL send you a membership to the Rackhirean Social Club.
Doug
I get the same thing from my GM all the time.
I'll tell you the same I told my GM:
I'm not Evil, I'm Lawful.... I just follow different laws.
I told the prisoner that I'd shoot him if he didnt talk, and being lawful, I am bound to shoot him when he doesnt talk.... not my fault that guy decided to take secrets to his grave.
Besides, those Medics knew the risks when they signed up as Medic.
If they wanted something safer than Medic, maybe they shoulda chose DoorGunner. Cause the odds of me engaging a doorgunner in a firefight are slim, while the odds of me engagiong a Medic in a Bombing are pretty good.