You certainly do NOT have my ascent to write to webster.
regards
storm
if they want to support the game in ANY way in the future... which has become ubiquotusly clear they have no real intention of doing. We can read the writing on the wall, any nod to Modern will come in Deck or HealingSurge form, via BoosterTCG or 16page 4e splatbook
WoC aint the ones selling the modern books anymore,
its the bargin bins and internet sites that have either $5 Modern bin books or $250 calling them rare. The classic Modern fans aint interested in any new Deck/4Splat, so trying to hang onto those fans aint worth it, and anyone that will buy the Deck/4Splat will do so without regard to this forum closing: they already hang out at the woc board's Deckville & 4etopia
The WoC Cares For Modern dipstick comes in the form of Project Javelin:
they just stopped doing it a long time ago
What? and No! If some people want to move to another galaxy its their prerogative. The Modern board should remain. Many of us will continue posting here and answering questions by people who want to join the ever expending Modern family. One forum doesn't exclude the other. Its the beauty of internet.
You certainly do NOT have my ascent to write to webster.
regards
storm
and its my long standing preogative that the forum usege is way down and if it is moved it would be the legacy forums,where folks can still read just not post,we're already spread out at brilliant gameologist thanks to me and then your plugging your site,so theres really no point outside of folks who mange to get thire hands on the book or srd to keep the forum and like BS has said there isn't any clear intention of supporting the game anymore.
Now if there was something in the line up then i'd be all for keeping the forums,but right now its just turning into an advertising area for other places.
EDIT: And before some says but you worked your butt off keeping this place around, I know I did,which is why this pains me to see this place like this....
EDIT II: oh BS,do you have that list of d20 vets who still hang aorund here? I'd like thire input on this...
EDIT: And before some says but you worked your butt off keeping this place around, I know I did,which is why this pains me to see this place like this....
EDIT II: oh BS,do you have that list of d20 vets who still hang aorund here? I'd like there input on this...
I would like to thank you personaly for all the work you put in. I was a lurker before I started posting not so long ago. I think at this point we should just let the boat ride the waves. If Wotc sees that the number daily posts doesn't justify the expense then its up to them to pull the plug. Calling for closure at this point is premature IMHO.
Storm
I'm currently doing my own thing behidn the screens trying to get us out from D&D but I mean it just seems pointless to do it,if thats gonna be the attitude you know..
I might not post much anymore, but I do keep up to date on what is being discussed here. There are still new, awesome ideas posted here, and far fewer blatently offensive statements are made here than at BG. >_>
bad, trapslider, bad kitty.
it's not nice to say such things, even if it is just to make contraversial conversation.
naughty, naughty!
So I kinda lurk around here alot. Only ever made two posts here before this one though. Basically I have no right to give an opinion. What I do want to say is I find this forum very useful as a resource. I realise this isn't a place to advertise other sites but before this forum is closed (if it is) I'd love to know where people post in other d20 modern forums. You know, so I can lurk there instead.
EDIT:
Hello,
So I kinda lurk around here alot. Only ever made two posts here before this one though. Basically I have no right to give an opinion. What I do want to say is I find this forum very useful as a resource. I realise this isn't a place to advertise other sites but before this forum is closed (if it is) I'd love to know where people post in other d20 modern forums. You know, so I can lurk there instead.
Hi there, The forum iisn't going anywher. I'm just venting my festuration in a very odd way...
I'd step back a minute and put that into perspective before you do anything stupid.
Just because we have other venues of discussion doesn't mean we're not going to still use this one, the official forum where its more likely you'll see more discussion.
I mean, I lurk ENWorld, doesn't mean I don't lurk here too.
So I kinda lurk around here alot. Only ever made two posts here before this one though. Basically I have no right to give an opinion.
hogwash
you are exactly the voice we need to hear
Guern-So I kinda lurk around here alot. Only ever made two posts here before this one though. Basically I have no right to give an opinion.
hogwash
you are exactly the voice we need to hear
We may interpret it differently, we may look at it with different views and different interests (powergamers vs. roleplayers... a topic i've always had difficulty with in my circles) or what not, but in the end, we all just want to get the most fun out of this game. I believe because of our interest in having fun, we ALWAYS have to remember that we have to keep our cool. If we disagree, that's fine... just don't attack one another. If anything, i think the feuds are something that have contributed to decreased posting as anything that reaches a few pages of posts runs the risk of becoming a flame war, through no individuals fault.
Again, I lurk and have been for a couple of years, so I don't want to lecture you veterans to the board... but that's just something I see that has happened.
OH and what ever happened to Fort Monroeville? I thought we'd keep that going and make a bada** city out of it!
So you're going to threaten to have a forum shut down because you don't like the reaction you got from one of your threads?
I'd step back a minute and put that into perspective before you do anything stupid.
Just because we have other venues of discussion doesn't mean we're not going to still use this one, the official forum where its more likely you'll see more discussion.
I mean, I lurk ENWorld, doesn't mean I don't lurk here too.
Its the over all reaction that bugs me the whole feeling that evceryone but me has given up on the hope that WotC will make another d20 modern
OH and what ever happened to Fort Monroeville? I thought we'd keep that going and make a bada** city out of it!
we need stats for NPCs...
And I think that the people are more worried about the possible reincarnation of D20 Modern. The people who enjoy d20 Modern as it is now, like it because it remains 3.5ish, a rule set that we (many of us at least) prefer because of the liberties it allows us. After seeing how WotC changed D&D in 4th edition, most of us are afraid that they'll do something similar, in effect damaging what we love...
Its the over all reaction that bugs me the whole feeling that evceryone but me has given up on the hope that WotC will make another d20 modern
I get where your disappointment is coming from, but this is going to sound REALLY mean/rude of me so I want to appologize in advance, I REALLY don't mean it in a spiteful way, but....
Don't you think its a little childish to have the board shut down because you don't like that some of us are not as optimistic as you?
Also, i roleplay D20 modern at this same site, it's kinda convenient not to have to go elsewhere to check up on stuff. Meh, first they redesign the forum into this crapfest and now this? What? did i kill a cow in india in a past life? lord, i just found a place to hang out at and it's going away!
*hyper ventilates*
Or well, it's no longer going away, it would seem... i'm confused.
Just because I don't think or care that WotC will support the Modern line doesn't mean this forum is dead and redundant. And I concur that this threat is a little immature.
Guern-
hogwash
you are exactly the voice we need to hear
Thats kind of you to say backstabbist, but as far as this community goes I have consistently taken from it and not given back. This is the internet so I'm kinda ok with doing that, but if I haven't got involved in the making I don't think i can opine on the breaking.
TheGuern
Don't you think its a little childish to have the board shut down because you don't like that some of us are not as optimistic as you?
no
Now its just fun to watch who comes out of the wood work.
Overreaction much? i like hanging out here, it has a higher maturity level than 90% of the wizards boards... where will i go if you close this place? WHERE?
Also, i roleplay D20 modern at this same site, it's kinda convenient not to have to go elsewhere to check up on stuff. Meh, first they redesign the forum into this crapfest and now this? What? did i kill a cow in india in a past life? lord, i just found a place to hang out at and it's going away!
*hyper ventilates*
Or well, it's no longer going away, it would seem... i'm confused.
Who gives a flump whether or not WotC make a new edition of Modern? To be perfectly honest I don't particularly want them to. I already have all the books I need, everything else has come from the community. Modern is generic, I can adapt the core book to fit whatever setting I like. With Past and Future I have toolsets for either side of the present day, and the Menace Manual has extra creatures and NPC archetypes. And Urban Arcana satisfies my high fantasy fix. Beyond that all my resources come from here. I have a whole folder of bookmarks on my iPhone of houserule and variant rule threads from this forum, and I'm always lurking in wait for more. And when I've finished my homebrew setting, I'll share it here as well. Just because I don't think or care that WotC will support the Modern line doesn't mean this forum is dead and redundant. And I concur that this threat is a little immature.
who are both of you?
I ask becuase this being a very semi tight knit community, I don't recgionzie either one of your names unless you both had pervious names that got lost during the forum migrationBurn it, then crater the scortch mark.
Then salt the crater
and nuke it to glass the salt... you know, just in case
And after saying this, I just remembered I need to get back with Master_Vega about his D20 project. >.>
who are both of you?
I am a physical manifestation of all your sins. :P
No, i didn't have a different username before, look at my join date, it's pre-forum death. I used to spend all of my time in the d20 modern play-by-post, rather than the discussion boards (we used to have so many sub-boards back then.) Then, i left around the time when the gleemax boards where revealed by Wizards themselves to be pointless and the message boards got their facelift.... which sucked and still sucks.
I returned about a month ago, mostly because i've been without a playgroup for a long time, and after looking around i found the d20 modern PbP group (Shameless plug, click right now!), which replaces the old board. I've been hanging there mostly.
I am a physical manifestation of all your sins. :P
You're the Gravemind?
So with recent postings its started to become clear that we really have no reason to keep the ofrums at all,that the fights in the past to keep the forums were pointless so i'm taking the pluse of whats left of the caring community before I go to webster and dicuss permently locking the d20 modern forums down for deletion...
good luck, but won't happen.
We ( that meaning 80% TrappedSlider + 20% Modern oldtimers)
had to fight to keep them open.
Ask d20Future, d20Apoc, d20UrbArc how that fight to keep the forums turned out
I am a physical manifestation of all your sins. :P
You're the Gravemind?
I am...
Dun, dun, DUN!
Dun, dun, DUN!
So what if activity is down? That doesn't make this place useless or meaningless. And down isn't the same as dead. If we went months without a single post, I'd see your point. As is, not so much. Even having moved on to later systems (like Neurospasta, hopefully trying out CyberDave's work soon, and maybe e20 if it gets off the ground), I still enjoy discussion of d20M, and sometimes points and ideas from one system can be migrated to another. And its not like this forum is using up all WotC's server space or bandwidth or anything. There's really no reason right now not to keep it open.
Just my 2 cents.
Wont happen?
We ( that meaning 80% TrappedSlider + 20% Modern oldtimers)
had to fight to keep them open.
Ask d20Future, d20Apoc, d20UrbArc how that fight to keep the forums turned out
I think it was more 90% me 10% others
and I had to give up those forums due to low numbersIts the over all reaction that bugs me the whole feeling that evceryone but me has given up on the hope that WotC will make another d20 modern
I get where your disappointment is coming from, but this is going to sound REALLY mean/rude of me so I want to appologize in advance, I REALLY don't mean it in a spiteful way, but....
Don't you think its a little childish to have the board shut down because you don't like that some of us are not as optimistic as you?
Just saying I was a tad bit grumpy to realize you were trying to troll or something there, :/.
With that said, this goes nowhere hopefully.
I'll try to post more...:D
Please leave up a d20 Modern forum. I think a big part of the low traffic is the lack of a Modern link anywhere people can find it. When the link to the Modern site was removed from the Games section of the masthead and then the forums switched and all of the old bookmarks were wiped a lot of people probably assumed there were no longer Modern forums.
I don't post much and when I do it is usually for a rules question. I check in to see what the Army Vs Romans and Resident Evil pages are developing and anytime an appropriate movie comes out.
Our DM is unavailable for a couple of weeks so I'm running a three-session Modern game and came in to brush up on the rules. It was a great resource to have the faq at the top of the forums.
Thanks for all your work,
James Cosper
So, my post count is low but I come here for research when planning games and especially for house rules and home settings. There is a lot of great stuff on the SWSE forum but Modern had the greatest depth and breadth. And there were incredible resources like Crazy Ironstar's Used Car Lot. I think the current TOS are probably another factor for the lowered frequency of new topics.
I'm worried this will happen with SWSE now that that line is coming to a close. Hopefully those forums will stay up as long as the Modern forum has been up.
The topics are inspirational and to 1 or 2 posts per time is just enough to keep the creativity flowing. Killing the forums is killing History. D20 modern is part of this community just like a small bakery in a big city... we don't all want wallmart.. some of us like the smaller exclusive locations..
i like it here...
Currently I mostly lurk, I use to post alot on various forums here under a couple different ID's (Awhile back when the Walmart Post Apoc thread was popular).
As far as wizards making a new D20 Modern down the line. I Fully expect it to happen, but I am not sure it will interest me much if it is based fully on 4E. Originally I was very optimistic about 4E, but after a few months of playing I found I was missing the previous system so i went back. But, this is really a topic for a different forum.
Currently I am working on a Pathfinderized Version of D20 Modern/Future, It will incorporate much of the new pathfinder system as well as the Star Wars Wounds/Vitality system and a Modified 4E Minon system for larger number battles.
More than likely I will start a thread down the line to get some feedback on it, which will require these forums to be around
Don't worry about anything closing. Trapped may be the community rep but that doesn't give him any actual administrative or moderator powers. Plus remember, community reps aren't permenant, we can all just send emails stating that our rep is no longer representing the community...
Before you stab me in the back I'd like to point out that nothing is going to happen at all AFAIK about the forums. And I'm not so much as a community rep as the one of the few folks here who deal with Community managment.
There USED to be a wealth on info here,
'here' being the d20Modern, d20Future, d20Apoc, Cyber, & somewhat the UrbArc
... now they're not there
Sure much has been preserverd by old timers saving it in the PreGlee days,
but a TON was lost we we lost the Future forum
I vote for Trappedslider as King of the Lab Forum
It is sad that so much was lost, but that just makes it all the more important that we keep what's been preserved. My impression, and please tell me if I'm being presumptuous Trap, is that a few posts by a few of us (mainly me, perhaps?) made it seem like we were actually opposed to Wizards entirely and Trap felt frustrated by that attitude. We've already talked it out and I think that we've clarified what I and others were trying to say, and we've stated quite clearly that we don't want this forum to disappear, but rather than there are places on-line where we can have a different kind of discussion than this forum allows. Thankfully, the web is a big, big place, so there's lot of room for all of us.
not being persumptuous at all, thats was it and now that I understand its all good stuff...
Fallen-
There USED to be a wealth on info here,
'here' being the d20Modern, d20Future, d20Apoc, Cyber, & somewhat the UrbArc
... now they're not there
Sure much has been preserverd by old timers saving it in the PreGlee days,
but a TON was lost we we lost the Future forum
I vote for Trappedslider as King of the Lab Forum
I didn't know you could vote for king.....
And knowing is half the battle...
Fallen-
There USED to be a wealth on info here,
'here' being the d20Modern, d20Future, d20Apoc, Cyber, & somewhat the UrbArc
... now they're not there
Sure much has been preserverd by old timers saving it in the PreGlee days,
but a TON was lost we we lost the Future forum
Where did the info go that was on those forums (d20 Future, Urban Arcana, etc.)??
Was there just so much data on the servers that they just had to dump it instead of pushing it to archive storage?
Fallen-
There USED to be a wealth on info here,
'here' being the d20Modern, d20Future, d20Apoc, Cyber, & somewhat the UrbArc
... now they're not there
Sure much has been preserverd by old timers saving it in the PreGlee days,
but a TON was lost we we lost the Future forum
Where did the info go that was on those forums (d20 Future, Urban Arcana, etc.)??
Was there just so much data on the servers that they just had to dump it instead of pushing it to archive storage?
they had to cut forums due to lower numbers when they switched to gleemax,but before they switched to the new software, and currently the archives aren't funcitonial. The only stop that got brought over was stuff that was marked Do not archive. And as some will argee it was by my work along with a few others that we still have this forum...
I really REALLY miss the Things That Go Boom thread
I feel bad...but i don't remember that
I really REALLY miss the Things That Go Boom thread
I feel bad...but i don't remember that
AND THAT IS THE REASON WE NEEDED THE OLD FORUMS AND CONTINUE TO NEED THIS ONE.
I really REALLY miss the Things That Go Boom thread
I feel bad...but i don't remember that
AND THAT IS THE REASON WE NEEDED THE OLD FORUMS AND CONTINUE TO NEED THIS ONE.
theres no need to shout,but I really don't rmemebr a number of threads,unless the thread is lsited in the index,then theres a good chance I don't rmember it, heck I don't even remmber folks who hang out aorund here...
like a 1d6 Spraypaint, a 1d6/6d6 propane cylider, and my 20d20 NoSave 71Pinto
I really REALLY miss the Things That Go Boom thread
I feel bad...but i don't remember that
AND THAT IS THE REASON WE NEEDED THE OLD FORUMS AND CONTINUE TO NEED THIS ONE.
theres no need to shout,but I really don't rmemebr a number of threads,unless the thread is Isited in the index,then theres a good chance I don't rmember it, heck I don't even remmber folks who hang out aorund here...
okay. gentlebeings attend, it's about the information, access to the information, so we don't have to remember.
this is the point, being able to tap into the knowledge base keeps us from having to reinvent the wheel. every time a knowledge base is deleted, it's like burning the last copies of an old book. preserving and storing the originals is fine but removing all access totally without providing digital access is just almost as bad as destroying it.
re-establish access to the knowledge base if possible or tell us we have to to go reinvent the wheel
example of providing access to the knowledge base: gutenberg project
I'd hate to shut it all down only to have to re-open it.
I really REALLY miss the Things That Go Boom thread
Sounds like Wiki material.....