I hate this layout. Its unintuitive, clunky, and ugly. It also ate my post count and I no longer have any subscribed threads.
But I'm happy to see the d20 Modern board still exists. Thats a miracle.
I really miss the "bulleted" list of subforums under forums--it was a lot nicer than a block of bright blue text.
I really miss the "bulleted" list of subforums under forums--it was a lot nicer than a block of bright blue text.
agreed, lists are better then running text for something like that.
yeah it does suck cuz i had thousands of cards under my trade post and now a little prick is going to get away with my mox diamond 3 legendary lands an an ass load of cards because i dont have his info in my inbox this is bullshit wizard i hate u soo much
Links need a hover style.
Formatting tags from old forum system need to be converted to new forum system.
Why on earth is the div containing the poster's information solid when the div containing the post is transparent?
Option to hide the right side blocks.
I had commented to a friend that the site actually looked professional now, until I finished setting up and got to the forums...
Here's another thing, how many of you even noticed this was posted in the d20 Modern section? This is going to turn out to be a big confusing mess when people ask questions to a specific area and everyone in the entire community sees it on the side without any indication of WHERE its being asked.
Yea... this new forum ate up entire sections of the Land of Nod effectively destroying years worth of work. It also no longer checks spelling. I might actually be leaving this online community over this forum switch. I don't know. I also might not be purchasing Saga products anymore (I only bought them for the Land of Nod, and right now I am feeling really hopeless about recovering the setting to its former 'glory'). I am far less than pleased.
I agree with you entirely. I think I may be migrating over to ENWorld or Brilliant Gameologist again, everything about this new forum is frustrating as hell and completely counter-intuitive.
I don't have words to express how pissed I am about the information lost in the Land of Nod thread. This forum migration butchered the setting. I am assuming that similar projects (such as Elysium Nebula) are also ruined.
Has anyone told WoTC about this yet? WoTC won't even need a forums because of the amount of people leaving.
Anyway. WIZARDS BRING BACK THE OLD FORUMS!
I'm of mixed feelings, personally. I like some of the new features, like a personal homepage. But the forums are now a confusing mess and it seems some of my eberron posts are gone. I was never a fan of the "myspace forums" and the new wotc forums are basically the exact same setup and layout. Atleast the old forum style was easy to use and easy to find things. Now I have no idea where anything is.
My god people calm down !
I'm surprised you did not back up your work in another medium? Didn't you regularly use the save as PDF (or doc) functionality of the old forums? (roll down menu top right corner)
Personaly I like the changes. Especially the wiki & blog options. I'll restart my D&D 4E, SWSE & Modern campaign logs as [edit] a blog very soon. [/edit]
Thumbs up to the Wotc forum team ! 
Oh, I admit this new forum is nice. But I'd prefer it to actually function right, rather then be pretty. A lot of things don't work, and apparently none of this was actually tested on any non-iexplore web browsers, or people who don't have 50" screens, so there's a lot of garbage messing crap up.
Also, stuff's all over the place, quotes don't really work because the forum part is so bloody narrow, all so I can see up to date RSS crap on things I don't even care about.
If you're reading this WotC, LEAVE THE BLOODY RSS FEED STUFF TO ACTUAL RSS FEEDS. NONE OF US NEED IT CLOGGING UP OUR SCREENS!
Oh, I admit this new forum is nice. But I'd prefer it to actually function right, rather then be pretty. A lot of things don't work, and apparently none of this was actually tested on any non-iexplore web browsers, or people who don't have 50" screens, so there's a lot of garbage messing crap up.Also, stuff's all over the place, quotes don't really work because the forum part is so bloody narrow, all so I can see up to date RSS crap on things I don't even care about.If you're reading this WotC, LEAVE THE BLOODY RSS FEED STUFF TO ACTUAL RSS FEEDS. NONE OF US NEED IT CLOGGING UP OUR SCREENS!
I just quoted you in 2 seconds AND I'm using Firefox on a MAC. Everything works fine from «my point of view» LOL
Really, I have to agree with most of the posters here. It looks nice, but so much of the forums are just... bad. If the Recent Post list taking up a third of the space are taken down/made optional, the space for the actual thread posts are expanded to a decent size, and subscriptions are added back in, maybe the forum's structure will be decent again.
I agree. This looks ugly.
By the way, i'm generally optimistic, but even I know that anytime a message board or forum upgrades, the "progress" is anything but.
By the way, i'm generally optimistic, but even I know that anytime a message board or forum upgrades, the "progress" is anything but.
We [modern] are still here. Your account hasn't been erased, the old threads you take care of are still here.
@all : Isn't this just about resistance to change? It took me one minute to figure were the info was. The new format has a fresh feel to it. AND doesn't need to load the «aluminum» background images I had trouble with from time to time.
Are you kidding me?
Entire sections of threads are lost. Work is forever gone. The quoting/descriptions posted pre-board move look silly. Everything's smaller (or a lot narrower) and looks more "commercial" on the whole. Pictures have shrunk.
The ability to have a custom avatar is nice, but it doesn't balance everything else out.
Are you kidding me? Entire sections of threads are lost. Work is forever gone. The quoting/descriptions posted pre-board move look silly. Everything's smaller (or a lot narrower) and looks more "commercial" on the whole.The ability to have a custom avatar is nice, but it doesn't balance everything else out.
Why did you not make back ups then? We were warned. I made a thread specificaly to warn all. I backed up my stuff using the save as PDF function. This is sad.
@all : Isn't this just about resistance to change? It took me one minute to figure were the info was. The new format has a fresh feel to it. AND doesn't need to load the «aluminum» background images I had trouble with from time to time.
Not necessarily. A lot of the old functionality is gone for inexplicable reasons, in their place is new functions that hardly.... function. Features that are just common sense standards to any kind of discussion board are just flat-out missing. Many features and options are hidden in sections where they just don't belong. The visual style is offensive to the eyes, and there is far too much wasted space on the screen. Things that should be optional features, such as the topic feed on the side, are not optional, nor can be customized. (I could care less whats going on in the Magic forums, I don't play it.)
Also, all my subscriptions are gone, and I posted in so many random threads before the changeover I'll never be able to find them all again. Thankfully most of the recent ones are in the Modern section.
Its more than a "resistance to change," there are plenty of legitimate complaints that I fear will get mostly ignored because even legitimate complaints are going to get filed under "just complaining because its different."
Also, all my subscriptions are gone, and I posted in so many random threads before the changeover I'll never be able to find them all again. Thankfully most of the recent ones are in the Modern section.
Don't forget signatures too. A lot of posters had very elaborate and helpful signatures.
Also, all my subscriptions are gone, and I posted in so many random threads before the changeover I'll never be able to find them all again. Thankfully most of the recent ones are in the Modern section.
Don't forget signatures too. A lot of posters had very elaborate and helpful signatures.
Indeed. Signatures will be back. Check the preference menu top left below your avatar picture.
guys quit getting your panties in a bunch. the forum is still in its beta stage. why don't you guys actally wait for things to be finalized before you start ragging on the new format. who knows, your lost work might show up pretty soon.
as for the whole look of the board i like it. The whole look of it is more inviting and friendly. my only problem so far is that all the forums under each heading are no longer in a bulleted list.
guys quit getting your panties in a bunch. the forum is still in its beta stage. why don't you guys actally wait for things to be finalized before you start ragging on the new format. who knows, your lost work might show up pretty soon. as for the whole look of the board i like it. The whole look of it is more inviting and friendly. my only problem so far is that all the forums under each heading are no longer in a bulleted list.
Yep it does say BETA next to community... Hopefully the «save/print this thread» function will reappear at some point.
guys quit getting your panties in a bunch. the forum is still in its beta stage. why don't you guys actally wait for things to be finalized before you start ragging on the new format. who knows, your lost work might show up pretty soon.
God forbid anyone voice an opinion thats negative... *rolleyes*
If things do get fixed in the future, then great. But for now we have a right to post our praise and frustration for the new style. If you don't like it don't read threads about it.
This whole thing is stupid. It asks for a bunch of really personal info and deletes all my stuff! What was WotC thinking!?!?!?!?!?!?! AND WHAT HAPPENED TO MY SIGNATURE!!!!!!!
guys quit getting your panties in a bunch.
Excuse me? No one has told you to stop snorting white powder, so don't tell us to stop contorting our underwear.
I don't understand this "don't complain because its a Beta" attitude. If you don't complain, how will anyone know what is wrong with the Beta?
Also, all my subscriptions are gone, and I posted in so many random threads before the changeover I'll never be able to find them all again. Thankfully most of the recent ones are in the Modern section.
Don't forget signatures too. A lot of posters had very elaborate and helpful signatures.
I don't regret the loss of signatures. For every helpful one, there were numerous overly long and extremely obnoxious ones.
This isn't to say I am a big fan of the new forums though, but I can live without signatures easily if it means you won't see a 3 word post with a huge obnoxious sig that is easily 10x the length of it. What I would like is just readability increased in general and it is really disappointing to see that whole posts have been devoured in the changeover.
Its more than a "resistance to change," there are plenty of legitimate complaints that I fear will get mostly ignored because even legitimate complaints are going to get filed under "just complaining because its different."
I have no idea what game you play, but this is how they dismissed the legitimate complaints about some recent changes in magic. I imagine it's what happened to D&D 4.0 as well, I heard that got mangled rather badly compared with 3.5.
For now, I'm not going to complain as I haven't heard what they are/are not planning to fix. The auto-paragraph-spacing after line breaks is ridiculous, and I'd really love to use more than 60% of my wide screen, especially if they insist on devoting 40% of the available space to a feed down the side with no way to remove.
Almost as much space is being lost vertically to white space by the paragraph spacing as is being lost horizontally to the rss feed. This is the only thing I don't think will get fixed, although old posts may be gone for good.
In any case, there's plenty of other forums if this one doesn't suit. It is a beta, so I would at least give the forum programmers the benefit of the doubt and see what they end up with before leaving in a fit of rage.
I suggest that eveyone send a polite message to wizards telling them that they dislike the new forum. Maybe if they get enough they will decide that it was better the old way.
I suggest that eveyone send a polite message to wizards telling them that they dislike the new forum. Maybe if they get enough they will decide that it was better the old way.
Unfortunately, I don't think this is a democracy.
I don't understand this "don't complain because its a Beta" attitude. If you don't complain, how will anyone know what is wrong with the Beta?
Never said not to complain. I even requested they bring back the save options.
Why not make a bullet point list of the beefs you have instead of giving ultimatums? It would be more constructive.
I have created a new group, WSDNF (We Strongly Dislike the New Forums) Please feel free to join.
I agree wholeheartedly. I can already think of quite a few reasons why this new look is utterly intolerable. I have to search for threads, there is no longer a simple checkmark next to threads I post in, viewing pages takes much, much, longer, layout is simplified but retarded (Like Microsoft office 2007 compared to the older version). And so much more.
I am un-happy to say that I was not able to move my games forward,as I awaited a new change that is completely stupid.
And may I also say that this site has decided to pretty much make these forums into a Facebook...or, oops, I mean to say, another social networking site layout. Boooooooooo!!!! Please do not tell me these changes were made for that purpose only. I will go nuts!!!
Simply put. Make it to where I can easily see what threads I posted in like the old forum style had, thereby eliminating the hassle of looking through a really bright, white background (that hurts my eyes) as I try to discern the funny little words that are in light blue (which also hurts my eyes even more). If I could easily see what threads I posted in, (like if there was a large checkmark next to them or something) thereby allowing me to be able to more quickly find what games I am running in a forum, as well as games I am playing in, I could almost forgive this abomination that is the new forums.
And may I also say that this site has decided to pretty much make these forums into a Facebook...or, oops, I mean to say, another social networking site layout. Boooooooooo!!!! Please do not tell me these changes were made for that purpose only. I will go nuts!!!
It just looks like all those other dime-a-dozen "message" boards that pop up and can disappear at a moment's notice, rather than a long term residence.
I assume the white blocks are just filler for when they get a legitimate color scheme. It makes my eyeballs throw up.
Or at least a customizable color shceme. The vanilla layout for most forums, even at stuff like freeboards are much nicer. I think I'm getting motion sickness.
I suppose you could say that the blog is a good feature, but I'm ambivalent. I doubt I'll actually use it. Same for friends. I also miss my Reaper King avatar. Autocard still works! ψ <- Check it out! Psi! I'll definately be using that obscure greek symbol!
EDIT: Woah, there was just a boba fett spambot on the phantom fifth page! And I'm not trippin'! And Firefox's Spellcheck dosnt wark! I'll wake up soon! Won't I?!
Gather all forums on the internet that have a lack of Suk,
and we can supply BOUNDLESS SUKITUDE to them all from this new board layout.
In the words of Bart Simpson,
I had no idea that somthing could suk and blow at the same time.
Here's another thing, how many of you even noticed this was posted in the d20 Modern section? This is going to turn out to be a big confusing mess when people ask questions to a specific area and everyone in the entire community sees it on the side without any indication of WHERE its being asked.
Wow. I did miss that.
this is terrible. 
just from the looks, and also... the page count. I'm used to having 50 posts per page. they'd BETTER fix that one, this default number of views was not okay back in 1996 on the internet!
OMG
Are we gonna lose 1/4 our screen to "Recent Posts" for games we dont even play?
I got a 19" plasma, and the actuall text of posts is only like 5" 
If you are into cards or minis... ok, if thats your thing then whatever... but I dont want to get the forum posts I'm trying to read squeezed down to fit junk from other games.
I'll be honest, I actually avoided certain sections of forums to keep from having to read rampant stupidity that dominated them. The side news feed actually makes it quite difficult to ignore certain threads when they're being thrown in your face because they have new posts.
Children children, give it time, they have openly said not everything is up to scratch, so just hold tight and hope for the best.
People nowadays and their constant need for instant gratification. None of this is going to get any better if you just keep the bitching up. Be supportive and just deal with it temporarily, if it doesn't compell you to stay on for a while, then just go somewhere else, and take the negativity with you.
Children children, give it time, they have openly said not everything is up to scratch, so just hold tight and hope for the best.
People nowadays and their constant need for instant gratification. None of this is going to get any better if you just keep the bitching up. Be supportive and just deal with it temporarily, if it doesn't compell you to stay on for a while, then just go somewhere else, and take the negativity with you.
Lot of high-horses today... must be some kind of sale going on.
Again, why should we just bow down and say "great job!" while turning a blind eye to all the problems? Just because its Wizards' forum doesn't mean we have to be their mindless toadies.
Obviously the new board is to start another Version War.
The wise folks that see how bad the new board is, vs the riffraff that like anything new from WoC regardless of how horrid it is.
We from the d20Modern board dont just blindly support garbage just to avoid sounding negative. We call it as we see it: Garbage is garbage .... to bad for the folks that make garbage, cause we wont call it gold just to make them feel good
I agree- I hate this forum, too. Most of the reasons why have already been voiced (the sidebar feed thing, the block of text subforums, the enter=paragraph, the unbeleivably bright white background, etc).
Also, I haven't figured out how to make a new sig yet- Backstabbist and Narukagami (and any others who know), how did you guys do it?
I agree- I hate this forum, too. Most of the reasons why have already been voiced (the sidebar feed thing, the block of text subforums, the enter=paragraph, the unbeleivably bright white background, etc).
Also, I haven't figured out how to make a new sig yet- Backstabbist and Narukagami (and any others who know), how did you guys do it?
Its hidden in one of the most idiotic places it could possibly be. Instead of ANYWHERE IN YOUR PROFILE AT ALL, its at the top of the forum in this little link that says "preferences."
When I hit the ENTER key
I want to drop just one line!
Can you imagine trying to do up a Stat Block
with this stupid 'paragraph' style
enter key handler
Its hidden in one of the most idiotic places it could possibly be. Instead of ANYWHERE IN YOUR PROFILE AT ALL, its at the top of the forum in this little link that says "preferences."
That's good. brilliant, in fact. So brilliant, I've decided to take a leaf out of backstabbist's book by taking a leaf out of your book- see sig for more info on how brilliant I think this is.
I changed my theme to the D&D one, there's a little less white that way.
Hey guys, is it okay to use Miracle-Gro on my Wizard plants?
Hey guys, is it okay to use Miracle-Gro on my Wizard plants?
no.
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We [modern] are still here. Your account hasn't been erased, the old threads you take care of are still here.
@all : Isn't this just about resistance to change? It took me one minute to figure were the info was. The new format has a fresh feel to it. AND doesn't need to load the «aluminum» background images I had trouble with from time to time.
On the Magic side, I stayed even with max exoduses through 50 different eras. I even told people they shouldn't leave. This forum change messed up a lot of work I had done for the forums and other posters, and deleted thousands of my posts and saved work.
Shameless plug:
Crap>Gleemax>Currentboards
The buttons all look greyed-out...because they are grey. Text on buttons is usually, you know, not-grey.
These buttons are not-greyt (see what I did there? oh-ho the wit. my sides.)
Unless they are hidden somewhere, most of the cooler emoticons are gone, too.
This whole thing seems a little too facebook-y to me. It has a feel of having sold something, I don't know. I liked the old cheesy parchment backgrounds and aluminum siding for modern.
EDIT: also, I haven't figured out the symbols next to thread names yet. This one has a little red-orange one that resembles a snail that's head is on fire... what exactly does that mean? Are we on fire?
I can't say I'm happy with the current forums.. But I'll give it a chance. I'm more annoyed that my inbox was wiped out. I wonder if I can even find any of my posts....
Oh yeah.. Not pleased with the archives being pretty much gone.. I was going to add some more stuff to a few older posts like the 101 future weapons and Mecha Ware house.. empty..
And most emotes are gone, wth?
I know it's beta. I know parts are not finalized. I know many features have yet to be implemented (or re-implemented). Because of this, I am willing to give the new boards a chance and expect great things.
That said, I am unhappy about many of the changes and will express that unhappiness vocally and repeatedly.
Here's a few comments for the programmers to think about:
Links are generated by hitting Enter: win.
Links no longer able to be easily embedded as text links as far as I can tell: not win.
Enter key creates a new paragraph: not win
Smilies down to a basic set that are far too much like those godawful AIM ones: very much not win
sidebar with recent posts: Could be win if you can customize it to show only chosen topics
White background and button coloration: not win
Loss of mostly intuitive chat coding that basically wrecks old posts: very much not win
Attempt to copy social networking sites: not win. I haven't religiously avoided MySpace and Facebook only to have WotC make an unreasonable facsimilie
counterintuitive sorting of account customization and overly nosy profile questions: not win
assumption of wide screens in the site layout: not win, but understandable
crunching of the actual message board column to make room for sidebar: not win
sig nuking: not win
in/outbox nuking: not win
subscription nuking: not win
That's only what I've found, and I haven't even gotten into most of the site. Come on, WotC. For something that's been in development for as long as you say, you should have done way better than this. Playtest with actual users that aren't 16 year old MySpace freaks, for gods sake.
Obviously the new board is to start another Version War.
The wise folks that see how bad the new board is, vs the riffraff that like anything new from WoC regardless of how horrid it is.
We from the d20Modern board dont just blindly support garbage just to avoid sounding negative. We call it as we see it: Garbage is garbage .... to bad for the folks that make garbage, cause we wont call it gold just to make them feel good
I'm from the Modern board and you DO NOT speak for me. So drop the WE. Since this is the BETA version bare in mind that things will get fixed/added slowly. Personally I was disatisfied with the clunkiness and lack of features of the old forum. Now I have everything I need as a GM in one place. That's an excellent idea wheter you like it or not...
I'm from the Modern board and you DO NOT speak for me. So drop the WE. Since this is the BETA version bare in mind that things will get fixed/added slowly. Personally I was disatisfied with the clunkiness and lack of features of the old forum. Now I have everything I need as a GM in one place. That's an excellent idea wheter you like it or not...
Well, I am more than willing to exclude you from my generalization,
I will add an exclusion for you to my comment-
We from the d20Modern board dont just blindly support garbage (except for Atanakar) just to avoid sounding negative. We call it as we see it (except for Atanakar): Garbage is garbage .... to bad for the folks that make garbage, cause we wont call it gold just to make them feel good (except for Atanakar)
There, now we are all happy (except for Atanakar )
If anyone other posters from the Modern board
that do blindly supprt garbage,
or dont call them as they see them,
or do call gabage gold,
if those folks would like me to exclude them from my generalization that WE dont.... no problem, I'll post your exceptions as well since we are all friends here
I'm from the Modern board and you DO NOT speak for me. So drop the WE. Since this is the BETA version bare in mind that things will get fixed/added slowly. Personally I was disatisfied with the clunkiness and lack of features of the old forum. Now I have everything I need as a GM in one place. That's an excellent idea wheter you like it or not...
Well, I am more than willing to exclude you from my generalization,
I will add an exclusion for you to my comment-We from the d20Modern board dont just blindly support garbage (except for Atanakar) just to avoid sounding negative. We call it as we see it (except for Atanakar): Garbage is garbage .... to bad for the folks that make garbage, cause we wont call it gold just to make them feel good (except for Atanakar)
There, now we are all happy (except for Atanakar )If anyone other posters from the Modern board
that do blindly supprt garbage,
or dont call them as they see them,
or do call gabage gold,
if those folks would like me to exclude them from my generalization that WE dont.... no problem, I'll post your exceptions as well since we are all friends here
Once again you are more interested with «form/destroying» than «content/fixing». Writing that this place is garbage doesn't make it so. On the other hand writing what you want fixed in the community business section the forums would make more sense.
BTW, you have NO proprietory rights over the Modern forum. Having registered before other people grants you no special privileges. I GM a Modern game, I legaly own all the books, I will keep posting here.
Once again you are more interested with «form/destroying» than «content/fixing». Writing that this place is garbage doesn't make it so. On the other hand writing what you want fixed in the community business section the forums would make more sense.BTW, you have NO proprietory rights over the Modern forum. Having registered before other people grants you no special privileges. I GM a Modern game, I legaly own all the books, I will keep posting here.
whooboy, looks like we have a Fact Deficiency going on.
"Writing that this place is garbage doesn't make it so"
Cite the post# that I said This Place was garbage.
Had suk to spare, blows, is horrid, terrible, even plain Bad... sure
but only your desire to argue has me calling This Place garbage in your mind.
"BTW, you have NO proprietory rights over the Modern forum.."
BTW, Never said I did.
BTW, I also dont have proprietary rights over the USS Iowa, and coincidentally I never claimed I did for that either.
BTW, I also dont have proprietary rights over every thing else in the universe I havent claimed I had rights.
"I will keep posting here."
Just who said you shouldnt post about the d20Modern game here (in the d20Modern forum)? Just because you get upset over folks including you in a group with desired character traits, doesnt mean you have to quit posting. You expressed a desire to be excluded, and I quickly accommodated you. Nobody said anything about your desire to be excluded from compliment prevents you from posting about d20Modern here.
Atankar
I am not demanding you have to get upset.
You can stay calm if you want.
So what gives you the right to tell us to not get upset over stuff that dont work anymore or was lost, to demand we calm down?
You zealotly dismissed the guy telling you the QUOTE dont work right,
lets see you quote and atrtib to Wiki or NavWeaps saying "mk7 HC"
.quote author="NavWeaps/Wiki/AnywhereButHere" . mk7 HC ./quote.
.quote "NavWeaps/Wiki/AnywhereButHere" . mk7 HC ./quote.
.quote. Lame manual attrib line: NavWeaps/Wiki/AnywhereButHere mk7HC ./quote.
mk7 HC
mk7 HC
Lame manual attrib line: NavWeaps/Wiki/AnywhereButHere
mk7 HC
Good grief, we thought the BG formatting was hard...its 2009 and we cant get a board with a decent Quote Attrib function?
We from the d20Modern board dont just blindly support garbage (except for Atanakar) just to avoid sounding negative. We call it as we see it (except for Atanakar): Garbage is garbage .... to bad for the folks that make garbage, cause we wont call it gold just to make them feel good (except for Atanakar)
I can spot the word «garbage» four times in your initial post... as for all other issues concerning this new community format I have expressed my «wants & needs» in the community business section as should you.
Obviously the new board is to start another Version War.
The wise folks that see how bad the new board is, vs the riffraff that like anything new from WoC regardless of how horrid it is.
We from the d20Modern board dont just blindly support garbage just to avoid sounding negative. We call it as we see it: Garbage is garbage .... to bad for the folks that make garbage, cause we wont call it gold just to make them feel good
I, too, am from the Modern Board... and you can feel free to continue speaking on my behalf, because I totally agree. There comes a point where constructive criticism must give way to candor, and this new forum sucks. At this point, I'd rather just keep on logging in once every two weeks. If this is the price of "Remember Me", screw it.
Obviously the new board is to start another Version War.
The wise folks that see how bad the new board is, vs the riffraff that like anything new from WoC regardless of how horrid it is.
We from the d20Modern board dont just blindly support garbage just to avoid sounding negative. We call it as we see it: Garbage is garbage .... to bad for the folks that make garbage, cause we wont call it gold just to make them feel good
You know, I don't particularly like the aesthetics of this new board (for a variety of reasons), and I still find your post offensive. Just because someone agrees with you, that doesn't make them wise. Just because someone doesn't agree with you, that doesn't make them riffraff.
It appears we have a new spokesman.
It appears we have a new spokesman.
Cyber-Dave and Trappedslider have been posting constructive comments all around the boards to get some of the problems/issues fixed. Everytime I could I popped in to voice my support. We should all do the same. Wotc has already implimented changes. Keep the ball rolling folks.
"We should all do the same."
I guess I was mistaken,
I thought you were going to stop telling us what to do, but I guess that aint gonna happen
Cant wait to read your next directive from on high.
I have the highest respect for TrappedSlider's abilities,
I dont need to follow him around and repeat his words. I have faith that if WoC would just do everything he says the way he says, things will become less horrid. I do not however have faith that WoC will do it.
And still you fail to read plain text.
Saying a group is of higher moral fibre than to blindly accept garbage
is NOT the same as saying some particular place is garbage. You are combining my posts, that This Place Is Horrid and that We (except Atankar: per Atankar) are not lapdogs that accept garbage.
Lean back away from the computer
because the war existing in your head is spilling onto your keyboard.
BTW, nice work on demonstrating how well quote citing Wiki/NavWeaps works since I called you on it. Really shows how the new quote is so easy to change the built in byline
I don't like saying this, but he does have a point, Atanakar.
Right before the boards switched over to this new format, you started getting a bit outwardly aggressive...and that PM you sent? What happened?
I have the highest respect for TrappedSlider's abilities,
I dont need to follow him around and repeat his words. I have faith that if WoC would just do everything he says the way he says, things will become less horrid. I do not however have faith that WoC will do it.
I think you jsut gave me a reason to redo my sig with an ego area.....
OK! OK! Look, the one thing I know we all, universally, certainly do NOT want happening is the Modern community getting into more in-fighting over a difference of opinion.
OK! OK! Look, the one thing I know we all, universally, certainly do NOT want happening is the Modern community getting into more in-fighting over a difference of opinion.
I agree. Let's fight over how we all agree with how we shouldn't fight over a difference of opinion- fighting over a unity in opinion will be so much better.
Allow me to kick it off.
I love d20! screw you guys and your pet cats who love d20 too. so there.
But seriously. I really do agree with Narukagami here. Can't we all just get along?
Can't we all just get along?
Somehow, I doubt it. I think too much bad blood has been built up between certain members (this includes myself) in this community. But I guess we will have to wait and see. I have certainly been trying to be civil.
Can't we all just get along?
Somehow, I doubt it. I think too much bad blood has been built up between certain members (this includes myself) in this community. But I guess we will have to wait and see. I have certainly been trying to be civil.
The anti Modern 4E campaign took its toll I guess. I admit my fuse has been short in the last few weeks.
@ragitsu : I my naive mind I was just intrigued and simply couldn't help asking. No more no less.
Sometimes we forget there's a person on the other end 
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Give me back my Sblocks or give me Death! Hyperbole aside, the new forum organization is terrible.
While I like alot of features this new one has, such as groups the blogs photos etc. I really hate the layout of the subforums. Instead of them each being easy to spot and readily clickable. Now you have to make sure you are clicking the right forum in the crappy "paragraph format". Ontop of that, they are harder to pick out individually. Paragraphs work in sentences, lists work better for Lists.
Give me back my Sblocks or give me Death! Hyperbole aside, the new forum organization is terrible.
While I like alot of features this new one has, such as groups the blogs photos etc. I really hate the layout of the subforums. Instead of them each being easy to spot and readily clickable. Now you have to make sure you are clicking the right forum in the crappy "paragraph format". Ontop of that, they are harder to pick out individually. Paragraphs work in sentences, lists work better for Lists.
Yes. Sblocks are high in demand across the board. I've made tabs in Firefox to avoid using the sub-forums paragraph format. WoTc has shown a willingness to change things in the last 24 hours. it may be they will change that to!
Go read, you might be "not amused", it's important:
community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/758...
Go read, you might be "not amused", it's important:
community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/758...
Very pertinent ! Thanks for pointing this out.
Yea, I would be lying if I didn't say that that REALLY bothered me. I am "not amused" indeed.
Do you know why history repeats itself? Because people forget their history.
This thread is a keen example of that: it should be stickied, not shunted off the first page.
I like the cool feature that make you click your bookmarked forum twice to get there.
I mean,
how did they know that I when I click on the d20Modern Forum bookmark
I want to stop at the front page
and have to click the same bookmark again to get the rest of the way to the forum
This is so much handier than the bookmark you hit actually taking you to the page you bookmarked
I like the cool feature that make you click your bookmarked forum twice to get there.
I mean,
how did they know that I when I click on the d20Modern Forum bookmark
I want to stop at the front page
and have to click the same bookmark again to get the rest of the way to the forum
This happens to you too? To me, it's not devastating, but it is significantly annoying. What gives?
I don't know, but I often have that problem as well. It is pretty anoying. Still, all the neat features I have been able to make use of to create the Land of Nod wiki makes up for that in my eyes. 
Of course, to those who could care less about such features, I can see how the double clicking to get to bookmarked forums could be mad anoying.
The things done poorly on this board
outweigh the ability for you to post WoC's "Land of Nod" in wiki format here
rather than posting CyberDave's Land of Nod on a free wiki service
.... you do realize you are making it WoC's IP by posting it here... right?
The things done poorly on this board
outweigh the ability for you to post WoC's "Land of Nod" in wiki format here
rather than posting CyberDave's Land of Nod on a free wiki service.... you do realize you are making it WoC's IP by posting it here... right?
Considering the fact that I could never publish it anyways, because it is designed using the Star Wars Saga system, which was never covered by such things as GSL (or any other combination of letters that imply that 3rd party publishers have the right to make use of the material), I'm really not worried.
What is more, if I really wanted to take the fluff of the Land of Nod, and publish it (which I have no desire to do), I promise you that my lawyers could ensure my ability to do so. Hell, I could walk over and delete my entire setting right now in a pre-emptive bid to publish the fluff of the Land of Nod if I really wanted to.
I don't.
I like having MY Land of Nod here in the WotC community.
And I sort of understand WotC policy on intellectual property and the boards. Without that policy, they could potentially run into problems with posters on the boards coming up with similar ideas to fix existing problems with current products, and then creating a fuss about a lack of credit/payment come errata time/the release of future products that make use of said errata.
And honestly, in recent weeks they have really been fixing this place up. As of right now, what issues I do have with this site do not out-weigh the benefits I feel that this site has over the old WotC forums.
There are, however, some issues that still need to be worked out. Some things are still a little buggy.
This is of course nothing but my subjective opinion. You are welcome to your own.
Everyone can be bought off. It's just a question of how much, and of what.
Sorry if this has already been said, I really didn't want to read all nine pages of this discussion, but has anyone else gotten private messages from spam bots? I never had this problem on the old forum, but now I get more spam than actual mail. @_@
Sorry if this has already been said, I really didn't want to read all nine pages of this discussion, but has anyone else gotten private messages from spam bots? I never had this problem on the old forum, but now I get more spam than actual mail. @_@
yes,just report it as spam.....
Everyone can be bought off. It's just a question of how much, and of what.
I suppose its true, they kind of did "buy me off." But, since they didn't pay me any money, and what "bought me off" are the new (and in my opinion improved) features of this new forum, isn't that exactly the right reason for me to change my original opinion? Also, their very personable and helpful representatives who spent time with me specifically for the purpose of saving the original Land of Nod thread, so that it could be converted into a wiki, helped. That was exactly the sort of personal touch companies need to keep customers happy. It was awesome!
But yea...
Does anyone know why, every few days, when I hit the bookmark I set to this forum, it spits me back to the Wizards main page? It's really, really annoying and I'd like it to stop. Is there somewhere I can suggest they fix this bug? Help a guy out.
Does anyone know why, every few days, when I hit the bookmark I set to this forum, it spits me back to the Wizards main page? It's really, really annoying and I'd like it to stop. Is there somewhere I can suggest they fix this bug? Help a guy out.
Every few days? It happens every time I close the browser. @_@
Ah, that explains it. I'm on a mac laptop so I rarely close anything; I just put the system to sleep.
What an incredible pain in the ass, though. I know where I'm going. I want to go there. I know that the rest of the Wizards site has a bunch of products that I'm not currently interested in.
Le sigh...
I really wish we could build an alternative forum. I mean, it's not that I don't appreciate the work that Wizards put into this one. Hosting this thing must be an incredible amount of ass-pain for them. But I also know I'd rather be somewhere where there's no copyright form to sign, where I can say the word "****" when it's appropriate (I mean, you can't even count the asterisks anymore!). I feel like I'm being treated like a child. But this is the only forum with any traffic.
Again I say, le sigh...
Personally I don't think the features gained are worth the features and functionality lost. To me, it feels like they took away our rusty, old, but mostly reliable pickup to trade it in for one with no wheels and a broken engine, but has new leather seats.
Also, I've been dying to post my campaign setting stuff, but I don't as a matter of principal because I like owning my own ideas, even if I never plan on publishing it.
Do what I do, post a link to a file. You can talk about the rules you post, but the rules themselves stay off-site. The chances are, by the way, that if any of your rules pertain to anything 3e-flavoured, there will never be any contestation on your "ownership." Copyright is a funny beast, after all. You don't really own anything. That's just a legal metaphor. What you have is a legally-derived right to attempt to personally sue someone who tries to copy and sell anything that you hold the copyright for. It's really a shame that everyone thinks of it in terms of ownership (including US law, read the statute!) because that makes people think it works in ways that it really doesn't.
But I digress. Yes, the new board kind of blows. It's more marketing that community, more advertising that functionality. But are we really surprised?
Do what I do, post a link to a file. You can talk about the rules you post, but the rules themselves stay off-site. The chances are, by the way, that if any of your rules pertain to anything 3e-flavoured, there will never be any contestation on your "ownership." Copyright is a funny beast, after all. You don't really own anything. That's just a legal metaphor. What you have is a legally-derived right to attempt to personally sue someone who tries to copy and sell anything that you hold the copyright for. It's really a shame that everyone thinks of it in terms of ownership (including US law, read the statute!) because that makes people think it works in ways that it really doesn't.
But I digress. Yes, the new board kind of blows. It's more marketing that community, more advertising that functionality. But are we really surprised?
But thats where my objection gets all muddled and hypocritical. Its not the legality, I could care less about the legality. Its a fan project that rips off... er... "pays homage to" other sources with a lot of my own ideas.
Its, like I said, the principal. I don't like being told by a big corporation "once you post them, all your creations our now ours!" Its a big turn off to me, even if it is effectivly meaningless.
backstabbist, it's called "ignoring the past and hope it goes away".