...“trade secret” clauses are standard in the medical world...

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#1

homicidal_squirrel

Jul 05, 2011 19:04:15
www.miamiherald.com/2011/07/04/2295805/d...

#2

jetshield

Jul 05, 2011 19:34:21
The bill, strongly opposed by the device industry, died.


I'm shocked! Shocked I say!
#3

homicidal_squirrel

Jul 05, 2011 19:37:50
The bill, strongly opposed by the device industry, died.


I'm shocked! Shocked I say!


The medical industry probably makes a device to fix that for you. They can't tell you the price though.
#4

grehnhewe

Jul 05, 2011 19:49:03
  One would think that in a modern society proprietory rights could be protected without a load of shady, beuracratic nonsense being involved.  Medical technology involves healing and life-saving, it is really a much different thing than 3-D Tv or I phones.
#5

homicidal_squirrel

Jul 05, 2011 20:07:10
Yes. It is very different. Life is a luxury that you should have to pay high prices for. A 3-D tv is a necessity. How is are you going to enjoy the full benefits of all the advances we have made in entertainment?
#6

grehnhewe

Jul 05, 2011 20:09:42
Do they have 3-D Tvs in hospitals?
#7

homicidal_squirrel

Jul 05, 2011 20:11:56
Yes. Why don't hospitals where you live have them? 
#8

grehnhewe

Jul 05, 2011 20:15:35
Yes. Why don't hospitals where you live have them? 


No Cry

  As a matter of fact most of the hotels don't have them yet either.

  I knew I was getting sub-standard health care.
#9

homicidal_squirrel

Jul 05, 2011 20:22:57
You probably live in some communist state like Minnesota. That's what happens when you don't bow down to the power of capitalism. If you did, you would see that having competition would bring prices down. 

 


In 2004, MedAssets joined with the Washington watchdog group, Public Citizen, in a lengthy legal battle against Guidant, now a subsidiary of Boston Scientific, to reveal the prices of cardiac devices. In a second lawsuit, Guidant sued ECRI Institute, a nonprofit research group that wanted to reveal the prices in its database.


In both cases, Guidant maintained that it was entitled to hide the prices as “trade secrets,” to protect them from competitors.


 
#10

calronmoonflower

Jul 05, 2011 20:23:17
Rather than trying to break contract by the force of law, why not just stop signing contracts with stupid clauses?
#11

homicidal_squirrel

Jul 05, 2011 20:31:07
Rather than trying to break contract by the force of law, why not just stop signing contracts with stupid clauses?


Probably has something to do with the kick-bcks some hospital administrators and doctors were accused of...
#12

grehnhewe

Jul 05, 2011 20:38:43
You probably live in some communist state like Minnesota. That's what happens when you don't bow down to the power of capitalism. If you did, you would see that having competition would bring prices down.

 


In 2004, MedAssets joined with the Washington watchdog group, Public Citizen, in a lengthy legal battle against Guidant, now a subsidiary of Boston Scientific, to reveal the prices of cardiac devices. In a second lawsuit, Guidant sued ECRI Institute, a nonprofit research group that wanted to reveal the prices in its database.


In both cases, Guidant maintained that it was entitled to hide the prices as “trade secrets,” to protect them from competitors.


 


  Actually, California.  Maybe I should consider moving to a state that more throrougly embraces essential, life-giving entertainment.  The weather is great though.

  I always assumed competition was an intrinsic part of capitalism.  I do not understand why the "price" of medical devices is a trade secret.
#13

homicidal_squirrel

Jul 05, 2011 20:40:32
You probably live in some communist state like Minnesota. That's what happens when you don't bow down to the power of capitalism. If you did, you would see that having competition would bring prices down.

 


In 2004, MedAssets joined with the Washington watchdog group, Public Citizen, in a lengthy legal battle against Guidant, now a subsidiary of Boston Scientific, to reveal the prices of cardiac devices. In a second lawsuit, Guidant sued ECRI Institute, a nonprofit research group that wanted to reveal the prices in its database.


In both cases, Guidant maintained that it was entitled to hide the prices as “trade secrets,” to protect them from competitors.


 


  Actually, California.  Maybe I should consider moving to a state that more throrougly embraces essential, life-giving entertainment.  The weather is great though.

  I always assumed competition was an intrinsic part of capitalism.  I do not understand why the "price" of medical devices is a trade secret.


Are you trying to start trouble by questioning the pricing policies of the private industry? They are merely trying to create competition. Go sit in the corner.
#14

grehnhewe

Jul 05, 2011 20:42:14
Is there a 3-D tv in the corner?
#15

homicidal_squirrel

Jul 05, 2011 20:44:45
Is there a 3-D tv in the corner?


It's required to live so there are 3.
#16

bone_naga

Jul 05, 2011 20:46:42
Unrelated...when I first saw this thread I thought it said medieval devices...I wasn't sure what all the fuss was about...
#17

Cpt_Micha

Jul 05, 2011 20:49:38
from the comments

I can see it now.  A defibrillator with a little slot on the side where you have to swipe a credit card before it'll start your heart back up. What hospital or ambulance wouldn't want these? And now that most passenger airliners have defibrillators, the major carriers would love them, too. Not only do they already nickel and dime you to death, now they can do the same to bring you back to life!


My response to this is, they didn't already do this? It's so mindnumbingly obviously the right thing to do!
#18

grehnhewe

Jul 05, 2011 20:53:26
Is there a 3-D tv in the corner?


It's required to live so there are 3.


Brilliant!...but I was going to cook dinner.  Do you have any Cheetos?

#19

homicidal_squirrel

Jul 05, 2011 20:56:35
Is there a 3-D tv in the corner?


It's required to live so there are 3.


Brilliant!...but I was going to cook dinner.  Do you have any Cheetos?



Yes, $47.
#20

grehnhewe

Jul 05, 2011 21:00:15
I'll pay, I guess I could potentially starve if I don't.
#21

homicidal_squirrel

Jul 05, 2011 21:05:32
I'll pay, I guess I could potentially starve if I don't.


Exactly. Besides... other people are paying twice as much for Cheetos.
#22

grehnhewe

Jul 05, 2011 21:09:01
That makes me feel better, as long as I am getting a better deal than someone else.
#23

homicidal_squirrel

Jul 05, 2011 21:12:32
Of course...
But remember, you can' tell anyone else what you are paying for them. It's a trade secret. 
#24

grehnhewe

Jul 05, 2011 21:15:03
The secret is safe with me...I wan't to live!
#25

LFK

Jul 05, 2011 23:54:38
Do they have 3-D Tvs in hospitals?


We have two in my department. A few of the research docs upstairs are working on some really funky 3D visualization software for various types of scans and microsurgery with robots.