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#1

EscherEnigma

Oct 15, 2010 13:41:48
... wait... so federal employees1 can now get health insurance for their pets, but not for their same-sex partner?  

/froth

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1Which I hope to be in a couple of months. 
#2

boraxe

Oct 15, 2010 14:53:00
Could be worse. If America ever elects a Tea Partisan as president gays will be among those hunted for sport.
#3

scypio

Oct 15, 2010 15:02:07
I'm pretty sure pet health insurance is worthless if that's any consolation. We have several pets and looked into it. Its not nearly as good as human health insurance so its hard to compare them.
#4

Robin_Hoodlum

Oct 15, 2010 16:34:10
That's ridiculous.

But gov't workers will probably end up with a better healthplan than the mess that the masses are allowed to have...
#5

The_Silversword

Oct 16, 2010 4:03:22
Im not sure i follow, why is this thread called /headdesk?

oh, OHHHHHH! I get it now, nevermind.

Are we even allowed to talk about this? Im not allowed to talk about porn, so I can only assume that marriage is out too. And its politics.
#6

pluisjen

Oct 16, 2010 4:41:08
I could say something about religious nutjobs here, but it would only be kindling Smile


I feel for you Escher, that really sucks Frown
#7

maliklucius

Oct 16, 2010 5:13:43
What if you called your SO "My Pet"?


Honestly? I think you could potentially get away with it- if, say, the couple in question were living a dedicated Dom/Sub lifestyle, then sure Laughing Why shouldn't you qualify for pet insurance? Though, as stated, it's not very good insurance, so there'd probably be a better option anyway.

#8

jesse.two.coins

Oct 18, 2010 8:04:43
What if you called your SO "My Pet"?


Honestly? I think you could potentially get away with it- if, say, the couple in question were living a dedicated Dom/Sub lifestyle, then sure Laughing Why shouldn't you qualify for pet insurance? Though, as stated, it's not very good insurance, so there'd probably be a better option anyway.




what does SO stand for?
#9

Robin_Hoodlum

Oct 18, 2010 8:06:25
Significant Other... the boy/girl friend...
#10

jesse.two.coins

Oct 18, 2010 8:08:40
ohhh neat lol I'll start using that
#11

pluisjen

Oct 18, 2010 8:16:10
Don't forget to tell your friends what it means, considering apparently none of them use it either.
#12

jesse.two.coins

Oct 18, 2010 8:21:55
should I use it as a term of endearment or is it like a paperwork term?
#13

pluisjen

Oct 18, 2010 8:39:46
I think it's used as a gender neutral term, kinda like "partner". Except it refers to a love relationship, not a business relationship like partner sometimes does. I think it usually implies some level of permanence as well (ie; someone you are dating doesn't count). 
#14

jesse.two.coins

Oct 18, 2010 8:41:17
alright then yes lol I'll use it :D
#15

EscherEnigma

Oct 18, 2010 10:54:09
what does SO stand for?


Significant Other and/or Sex Object.
#16

jesse.two.coins

Oct 18, 2010 11:41:40
bahaha which one do you use it for?
#17

ADHadh

Oct 18, 2010 13:19:26
bahaha which one do you use it for?


Probably depends on mood and/or sobriety. ;)
#18

pigknight

Oct 18, 2010 18:15:04

How old is Jesse anyway? 14?

#19

Robin_Hoodlum

Oct 18, 2010 18:51:25

How old is Jesse anyway? 14?



I think he said he was 18...

But you know how interent people lie...

"I'm a voluptuous 20 year old, sexy woman with long legs, big breasts, and beckoning hips."

And you couldn't prove I'm not!
#20

pigknight

Oct 18, 2010 19:18:27

How old is Jesse anyway? 14?



I think he said he was 18...

But you know how interent people lie...

"I'm a voluptuous 20 year old, sexy woman with long legs, big breasts, and beckoning hips."

And you couldn't prove I'm not!



Cyberz plox?
#21

williamhm75

Oct 18, 2010 21:34:22

How old is Jesse anyway? 14?



I think he said he was 18...

But you know how interent people lie...

"I'm a voluptuous 20 year old, sexy woman with long legs, big breasts, and beckoning hips."

And you couldn't prove I'm not!


I don't know, you sound like you have permanent PMS.


that was just childish.

And Escher that sucks, and yes government health care is better than getting raped by insurance companies.  We so need socialized medicine.
#22

Robin_Hoodlum

Oct 18, 2010 21:35:23
We so need socialized medicine.


NOT!
#23

williamhm75

Oct 18, 2010 21:37:04
We so need socialized medicine.


NOT!



We are the only first world country not on some form of socialized medicine.  Insurance companies charge a fortune for sub par services.
#24

Robin_Hoodlum

Oct 18, 2010 21:40:53
We so need socialized medicine.


NOT!



We are the only first world country not on some form of socialized medicine.  Insurance companies charge a fortune for sub par services.


And you think a bloated government bureaucracy that cares more for the system than for the patient will be any better?
If it is so good, then why is Britain changing back? Why do Canadiens come here for procedures? Why don't people go to Cuba for procedures?

LOL
We are not going to convince each other... so let's just agree to disagree... since we have been unnaturally getting along...
#25

williamhm75

Oct 18, 2010 22:17:38
We so need socialized medicine.


NOT!



We are the only first world country not on some form of socialized medicine.  Insurance companies charge a fortune for sub par services.


And you think a bloated government bureaucracy that cares more for the system than for the patient will be any better?
If it is so good, then why is Britain changing back? Why do Canadiens come here for procedures? Why don't people go to Cuba for procedures?

LOL
We are not going to convince each other... so let's just agree to disagree... since we have been unnaturally getting along...


so the rich should get good health care and everyone else gets nothing yeah thats equality.
#26

Robin_Hoodlum

Oct 18, 2010 22:29:00


Why don't people go to Cuba for procedures?

Some actually do. It has better public healthcare system then in the US. And a better school system. A shamed about the embargo.



You are out of your mind.
You must have no idea how ridiculous and foolish you look.
#27

Robin_Hoodlum

Oct 18, 2010 22:31:26

so the rich should get good health care and everyone else gets nothing yeah thats equality.


What are you talking about?
I'm not rich and I always got the care I wanted/needed.

So you think they turn away people from the emergency room because they are poor?
Yeah, that happens all the time...

#28

Robin_Hoodlum

Oct 18, 2010 23:00:34


Why don't people go to Cuba for procedures?

Some actually do. It has better public healthcare system then in the US. And a better school system. A shamed about the embargo.



You are out of your mind.
You must have no idea how ridiculous and foolish you look.


You are ignorant.


Pot calling the kettle...
#29

EscherEnigma

Oct 18, 2010 23:09:55
I don't know, you sound like you have permanent PMS.


Pretty Mean Streak?
So you think they turn away people from the emergency room because they are poor?


And where do you think the money for those emergency room services comes from?

#30

pluisjen

Oct 19, 2010 1:08:13

So you think they turn away people from the emergency room because they are poor?


And where do you think the money for those emergency room services comes from?




Shh, he's trying to ignore that.
#31

zombie_babies

Oct 19, 2010 9:30:12
I think he said he was 18...

But you know how interent people lie...

"I'm a voluptuous 20 year old, sexy woman with long legs, big breasts, and beckoning hips."

And you couldn't prove I'm not!



Who would want to? 
#32

boraxe

Oct 19, 2010 9:31:55
If it is so good, then why is Britain changing back?


They're not.

Why do Canadiens come here for procedures?


For the most part we don't. Some people go to the US for things like MRI because with 10 times the population there are 10 times the number of MRI machines and thus it can sometimes speed up the wait time for non-urgent cases. Urgent cases are always given priority.

I need to get an ultrasound done on my ankle to find it if I tore a muscle and I can get it done any time, any day, on my lunch hour, for no cost. Ditto the Xrays I had done a couple months back on my messed-up knee. I can see my doctor in a couple days for non-urgent visits, as early as today for something serious. Best part is I don't get billed for doctor visits, tests, procedures, materials, or even surgery.

A few years back they did a big "The Greatest Canadian" poll. You know who won? The guy who created our socialized medicine system. We Canadians (note the spelling, please) wouldn't trade our healthcare system for anything.

Why don't people go to Cuba for procedures?


Ban on travel to Cuba.

Look man, if you are happy paying through the nose to get even basic healthcare then that's great for you, but there's no reason to lie about the system in other countries. If one's position is strong enough one should not need to bolster said position with untruths.
#33

ADHadh

Oct 19, 2010 14:37:00


Why don't people go to Cuba for procedures?

Some actually do. It has better public healthcare system then in the US. And a better school system. A shamed about the embargo.



You are out of your mind.
You must have no idea how ridiculous and foolish you look.


You are ignorant.


Pot calling the kettle...


Goldy, do you have proof of what are you telling us about? Shouldn't you provide it instead of getting into insult-flinging?
RH, do you think this doesn't make you look not only ridiculous and foolish, but also very much like a strawman from a democratic/liberal cartoon? You know, the type that replies to statements of facts and/or arguments with anger or insults?

You two disgust me.
#34

williamhm75

Oct 19, 2010 15:23:05

so the rich should get good health care and everyone else gets nothing yeah thats equality.


What are you talking about?
I'm not rich and I always got the care I wanted/needed.

So you think they turn away people from the emergency room because they are poor?
Yeah, that happens all the time...




Emergency rooms only go so far my parents have health insurance and my dads heart medicine still costs over 200 dollars THATS NOT RIGHT. Health care companies need to be reined in or destroyed and taken over by the government I dont trust private industries to run health care.  I trust them about as far as I could throw them they dont care about people only profit.  They limit the drugs you can take due to cost, if a procedure is too costly or is experimental they deny you the right to have it done.  The government needs to step in.
#35

pluisjen

Oct 19, 2010 16:02:30
hey limit the drugs you can take due to cost, if a procedure is too costly or is experimental they deny you the right to have it done.



Unfortunately the government will also deny you drugs and procedures that are experimental, and will usually deny you expensive medicine if cheaper ones are available, so it won't fix everything. It'll fix much, though.
#36

williamhm75

Oct 19, 2010 16:03:59
hey limit the drugs you can take due to cost, if a procedure is too costly or is experimental they deny you the right to have it done.



Unfortunately the government will also deny you drugs and procedures that are experimental, and will usually deny you expensive medicine if cheaper ones are available, so it won't fix everything. It'll fix much, though.



government would be less likely to deny someone care than a corporation.
#37

Robin_Hoodlum

Oct 19, 2010 16:05:32


You two disgust me.



So?
#38

Robin_Hoodlum

Oct 19, 2010 16:06:58
hey limit the drugs you can take due to cost, if a procedure is too costly or is experimental they deny you the right to have it done.



Unfortunately the government will also deny you drugs and procedures that are experimental, and will usually deny you expensive medicine if cheaper ones are available, so it won't fix everything. It'll fix much, though.



government would be less likely to deny someone care than a corporation.


Prove it.

And I don't think that is accurate.


#39

pluisjen

Oct 19, 2010 16:23:47
If he can name just one situation wherein someone would be denied care, despite care being available, then it's proved because a government run system always gives care if available. There are no situations where, if there's a cure, you are denied it.

The only place where government health care doesn't help you, is if the only available cures aren't proven to work.

Unless you can prove that a guy with no money can get better care then that from a corporation, of course?
#40

Robin_Hoodlum

Oct 19, 2010 16:43:56


Unless you can prove that a guy with no money can get better care then that from a corporation, of course?


Why should I pay for a guy with no money?
His healthcare is paid with my tax money, yet he doesn't pay taxes... how is that fair?

Boy, you guys sure put a lot of faith and trust in the gov't... but I would expect that from socialists.


See, problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other peoples money...
#41

pluisjen

Oct 19, 2010 16:47:45
I think people that can put in an honest day's work, but don't, should be rounded up and shot in the head. This includes all those people that already have enough money to never work another day again.

But I've no problem supplying for people that need care but can't afford it because companies choose to pay them pennies for long days of work.

How is if fair that someone works 8 hours a day, and then one day he gets hit by a car and breaks a leg, and he can't afford his treatment, so he loses his job, and then he can spend the rest of his life on the streets with only one leg?

Honestly, for someone who cares so much for his country, you seem to really care little for the people in it, whereas I, for all that I dislike people and countries in general, seem to care for people a whole lot more. 
#42

Robin_Hoodlum

Oct 19, 2010 16:50:09
Where the hell do you live?
People get paid accordingly.
If you don't like your pay, find another job.

Sheesh, you make it sound like businesses are nothing more than slave-owners that pay their employees a mere pittance.

#43

pluisjen

Oct 19, 2010 16:52:59
There's plenty of people that are paid little more then pittance. There's always a group of people that can't afford health care. Minimum wage jobs aren't going to net you the kind of money you need to pay medical bills. And not everyone can get a job that pays more then minimum wage.

And if you up the minimum wages, the prices for everything go up as well, so that group of people who can't afford healthcare will always remain.
#44

Robin_Hoodlum

Oct 19, 2010 16:55:26
There's plenty of people that are paid little more then pittance. There's always a group of people that can't afford health care. Minimum wage jobs aren't going to net you the kind of money you need to pay medical bills. And not everyone can get a job that pays more then minimum wage.

And if you up the minimum wages, the prices for everything go up as well, so that group of people who can't afford healthcare will always remain.


Then find a better job.

It is NOT the govt's job to provide you with employment.

I bet you would like for the gov't to take care of you, wouldn't you?

That's disgusting.
#45

pluisjen

Oct 19, 2010 16:57:54
It should be fairly easy to grasp that:

1. There will always be minimum wage jobs
2. There will always be people doing minimum wage jobs
3. "Get another job" might solve the problem for person A, but only by making it person B's problem.

If you consider that a solution... I can't see how you can support your country since you obviously don't care about it's occupants.
#46

Robin_Hoodlum

Oct 19, 2010 17:07:39


If you consider that a solution... I can't see how you can support your country since you obviously don't care about it's occupants.


I care enough not to subject them to the mess that's known as Socialism.

And you obviously know nothing about economics and how it works... but I would expect that from a socialist...
#47

ORC_Wyvern

Oct 19, 2010 17:15:51
Due to complaints received about this thread, I've closed it. The thread will be reviewed to determine if it should be permanently closed, re-opened, and/or a new thread or threads created in its place.