This is just how the internet is...the entire internet. People are going to be rude, and you're just going to have to have thick skin. No reason to take things so personally.
Additionally: making a post to announce that your leaving because the world has been too ignorant and cruel = too melodramatic for my tastes. Why do you assume other people want to hear about this? What kind of point are you trying to make?
However, if your mind isn't totally made up, I'd urge you to stick around for a little while. The trolling seemed to reach its peak a few days ago, and it's kinda petered out now. There's still a lot of debate going on, but that's to be expected in a time of upheaval like this. Also, don't let the actions of a few cloud your view of the rest. I'm taking part in a rather spirited debate in the "I miss Ability Damage" thread, but I wouldn't call anyone involved a troll.
Either way, keep enjoying this great game, regardless of what edition you play.
I suppose this is going to come off a bit harsh but...get over it?
This is just how the internet is...the entire internet. People are going to be rude, and you're just going to have to have thick skin. No reason to take things so personally.
Additionally: making a post to announce that your leaving because the world has been too ignorant and cruel = too melodramatic for my tastes. Why do you assume other people want to hear about this? What kind of point are you trying to make?
So...if it's too melodramatic for you, why exactly are you responding? The people that I want to know will read it and appreciate what I've been trying to do lately. Besides, it's not like I'm hanging myself or something. I'm simply leaving behind something that no longer interests me. Blow it up into me telling the "world", as you so pitifully put it, that they're ignorant if you wish, but ask those that I had actual conversations of merit with. They understand. The point I'm trying to make here is that I'm tired of fighting a losing battle of ignorance vs. acceptance. If you wish to continue swimming around in this cesspool, feel free.
Oh, and Subedei, keep in mind that (unless I'm mistaken) Hocus here has been a rather active member of this community. I'd much rather he made a thread like this than simply vanish without an explanation. I'm certain he thinks many other people would prefer him to take this course of action as well, and that's why he did so.
So...if it's too melodramatic for you, why exactly are you responding? The people that I want to know will read it and appreciate what I've been trying to do lately. Besides, it's not like I'm hanging myself or something. I'm simply leaving behind something that no longer interests me. Blow it up into me telling the "world", as you so pitifully put it, that they're ignorant if you wish, but ask those that I had actual conversations of merit with. They understand. The point I'm trying to make here is that I'm tired of fighting a losing battle of ignorance vs. acceptance. If you wish to continue swimming around in this cesspool, feel free.
If there's a select group of people you want to inform, why don't you just send them messages?
It feels more like you're condeming the boards and want everyone to know that your apparent one month of posting wasn't worth it. Seems to me that if you really didn't like it here, you'd just leave.
Despite what anyone here says, they can't change the fact that a good game is coming out on the 6th. A (bites tongue)-ing good game. That's the truth I'm keeping my eyes on.
If there's a select group of people you want to inform, why don't you just send them messages?
It feels more like you're condeming the boards and want everyone to know that your apparent one month of posting wasn't worth it. Seems to me that if you really didn't like it here, you'd just leave.
Perhaps there is just too many for him to do so, or he may not even remember everyone he's had discussions with. A farewell on the boards, with his reasoning doesn't seem, at least to me, unjustified. What better place to say goodbye, then on the very thing your saying goodbye too.
As to Hocus, I have luked as a guest for a long long time because of the same reasons you are leaving, and though I think it's a shame for anyone who likes to express themselves to feel they can't safely on these boards anymore, I understand and respect your decision. Good luck!
This is just how the internet is...the entire internet.
Not true, many places on the internet has moderation to stop it from reaching this level.
Anyway, godspeed, Hocus, may we meet on a place with more troll control in the future. (like the place in my sig for instance... no reason to let your good input go to waste...)
Not true, many places on the internet has moderation to stop it from reaching this level.
Anyway, godspeed, Hocus, may we meet on a place with more troll control in the future. (like the place in my sig for instance... no reason to let your good input go to waste...)
Aye, when someone tried to troll over there, it was dealt with before I even saw their message. I did see the screen name though, which was the same as it was here.
The only bad thing about Vaal's forum is that it's a bit empty.
Can I have your stuff?
*Shinjo Mallet* Wrong game! Besides, he doesn't have the stuff you want anyway.
Take a break and come back in a few weeks
.This is just how the internet is...the entire internet.
No its not. I could point to a few places that aren't like this, but I don't want to send the trolls to the last few points of light ;)
Come on Hocus, don’t let bar stewards grind you down! Any who old bean, if you have gone for good, it was nice to read your posts and it’s a shame to see you go.
Oh……….. If you have already gone, you’ll never read this. Ah well I will chalk this up to good karma, I expect I need it!
Additionally: making a post to announce that your leaving because the world has been too ignorant and cruel = too melodramatic for my tastes.
I feel the same way. If you aren't interested in a forum anymore, just stop posting. If you want to come back later, come back.
"Farewell threads" just seem like a bid for attention to me.
Ah, well.
As this will be my last night on the forums, I would like to say goodbye to those that i have shared conversations with, debated topics with, ...
Might I suggest taking a break for a few months and then come back? That's what I did and it worked wonders for me.
(Sure I will lurk around here and post while at work for the next few business days, and after the 6th when I see more people that have had full exposure)
I feel the same way. If you aren't interested in a forum anymore, just stop posting. If you want to come back later, come back.
"Farewell threads" just seem like a bid for attention to me.
Save the OP hasn't posted again on here, save for his one response to the poster you quoted, so if they were really looking for attention wouldn't they be here hoping others would convince him?
Fact, that has literally been his last post on any of the boards since then, so apparently he may have been very serious.
Save the OP hasn't posted again on here, so if they were really looking for attention wouldn't they be here hoping others would convince him?
Maybe, maybe not. I'm seen numerous threads like this before, and people who say they are leaving for good often don't leave.
My opinion is what it is, take it or leave it.
To echo a few other posters, the "report post" button does work around here. If someone is being a troll or harassing you, simply report their post.
It worked for all of three hours last night, and now it seems all the good it dead has been reversed. So excuse me if I laugh.
I don't understand why criticism of a product would cause anyone distress.
The problem has been the primal scream therapy on the boards.
Now, your thread dealt with a specific thing about the game. You expressed disappointment in the way 4E was treating a particular aspect of the game (namely, wizards). Although you were clearly disappointed, you were able to say what your specific problem was. You were able to listen to opposing points of view and disagree with them in a civil fashion.
You aren't the problem.
For some, the mere existence of 4E is seen as a slight or a show of disrespect. Many of the critical posts haven't been about the game so much as someone's emotional reaction to the game. As you can probably surmise, much hostility has ensued. It has interfered substantially with the ability to have a good conversation about 4E.
Here, they're allowed to run wild and free on a level I haven't bee familiar with since the turn of this century when I was brought on to help stem a troll invasion from a site angry about one of the members saying something bad about a webcomic creator.
I don't understand why criticism of a product would cause anyone distress.
It don't think that by itself does cause distress (there might be a few people that touchy but I doubt there are many). I.e you have said that you don't like what they did to the wizard in 4e and thus you don't care for the game. that's your opinion and you are entitled to it, and it causes most people no more agida than the guy who thinks 4e is the bestest thing since the invention of the orgasm.
So it isn't the people who 'merely' criticize the game that drive of people like HS, I think. There is another class of people, though. These people don't stop at merely saying "I don't like such and such a thing about 4e" or even "I think 4e is overall the worst game ever invented", they go to the point of "I don't like 4e and if you do you are a moron who likely lacks sufficient intellect to dress himself in the morning", THEY are the ones that irritate people like HS into leaving. Granted, i think storming off in a huff over the words of a few buttheads is overreacting, but you get called an idiot enough times by enough people, you are going to react. Some choose to hurl insults back, some choose to leave the boards. But THAT is where your 'distress' comes from.
The rest who don't really know you won't care.
I know when I leave, nobody will care. C'est la vie.
Au revoir, and Bon chance, mes amis.
I know when I leave, nobody will care. C'est la vie.
I will. I'll say "Where is Etarnon? What is Etarnon doing now? When is Etarnon coming back?" And so forth.
OT: Hocus, you seemed to be a decent sort. I hope this will turn out to be merely a case of 'see you later' rather than good bye.
I don’t think it’s about ‘growing a thicker skin’, if someone called me an idiot at work, then I would complain, if one of my friends called me a moron to my face, I would probably sit them on their backside with a bloody nose. If I would not put up with such abuse in the real world, why should I allow it on an internet forum, with a bunch of people hiding behind fake names?
Personally, since I will probably never meet any of you, and to be brutally honest don’t really care what most of you think about me, but Hocus obviously did. As others have said just because you can be a jerk online, does not mean that you have to be!
So...if it's too melodramatic for you, why exactly are you responding? The people that I want to know will read it and appreciate what I've been trying to do lately. Besides, it's not like I'm hanging myself or something. I'm simply leaving behind something that no longer interests me. Blow it up into me telling the "world", as you so pitifully put it, that they're ignorant if you wish, but ask those that I had actual conversations of merit with. They understand. The point I'm trying to make here is that I'm tired of fighting a losing battle of ignorance vs. acceptance. If you wish to continue swimming around in this cesspool, feel free.
It's the motivation behind the announcement (in it's own thread no less) that some of us question.
Seems like a ploy for attention is all.
Hmmm...wonder if we'll be seeing one of these from PsionX?
It's the motivation behind the announcement (in it's own thread no less) that some of us question.
Seems like a ploy for attention is all.
Considering that his last post was two days ago, in this thread, and he has an average count of 5 in a day... perhaps it was an announcement that he's leaving.
It's the motivation behind the announcement (in it's own thread no less) that some of us question.
Seems like a ploy for attention is all.
Hmmm...wonder if we'll be seeing one of these from PsionX?
Wouldn't that be supreme irony/justice?
I know what *I'd* be doing in that case.
People seriously need to grow a thicker skin when it comes to discussing things on the internet. Way too many take this crap too seriously.
*Ahem*
Might I once again remind all that saying somebody is "oversensitive" or needs "thicker skin" is a CoC violation....
Silly, isn't it?
(well I decided not to actually post the link as the video as it is NSFW due to swearing and typed imagery of swearing. But if you go to youtube and you search for: "fake your death", it will be the firt video that pops up and its called "A beginners guide to faking your death on the internet". Check it out, its pretty funny
)Love,
malkav
It's the motivation behind the announcement (in it's own thread no less) that some of us question.
Seems like a ploy for attention is all.
Hmmm...wonder if we'll be seeing one of these from PsionX?
On the other hand, it could also be interpreted as taking a stand against the problem, and 'resigning' as a form of protest against the negative behavior that caused him to leave. Thus possibly causing people who are basically decent, but carried away, to make a reality check and realize that their over-the-top posting was making the forum unpleasant for other people, and to moderate their tone.
As for the 'growing a thicker skin' stuff -- well, a lot of people look on their hobby as a way to relax and have fun. Many people deal with abysmal b.s. on a daily basis in order to make a living. When we visit an online forum like this, we might be looking to have a talk about elves and flumphs, rather than find ourselves leaping into a maelstrom of strident insults and cries of 'moron' and 'dumbed down.' :D
Use the ignore list. 99% of the problem is solved. I don't have to worry abour your delicate sensibilities being offended and I don't have to read your crap responding to what I post.
Ignore lists don't hide quotes.
Ignore lists don't prevent entire threads being derailed into giant eye-poking contests among those who don't use them, totally ruining the original discussion.
Ignore lists don't stop trolls from taking a discussion about weapon ranges and turning it into "4E is dumbed-down for retarded kidz!" "No, it isn't!" contests.
In other words, the only way to use 'ignore' to remove the offending content is to ignore pretty much everybody. Or, in short, to leave the forums, as Hocus Smokus did. The ignore list solves 0% of the problem, not 99%.
From your tone, dismissing all those who express concern about the pollution of the forum by trolling and vindictive bickering as having 'delicate sensibilities,' and typing 'crap,' all I can say is, hmmmm ....
Still, I'm pretty much of the mind that if you are gonna go, PM your friends and go. If you are a key pillar of the community you will be missed.
The rest who don't really know you won't care.
I know when I leave, nobody will care. C'est la vie.
Au revoir, and Bon chance, mes amis.
Well, since I have quit a forum or two by public announcement of my departure I can suggest that the purpose in making such an announcement is to obtain one last verification of whether the atmosphere of, "Good riddance ya loser!" that you've been feeling really is dominant over the atmosphere of "Dammit, there are too many good people being driven away by abusive idiots!" that you've wanted for too long.
It's the motivation behind the announcement (in it's own thread no less) that some of us question.
Seems like a ploy for attention is all.
Hmmm...wonder if we'll be seeing one of these from PsionX?
Might I suggest taking a break for a few months and then come back? That's what I did and it worked wonders for me.
Aye! That's what I did, although it didn't end up being quite as long as planned. The break allowed me to "refresh", come back with a better attitude (which I try to maintain on the boards).
I try not to engage in any contentious debates but the negativity can still get me down if I'm not careful. Negativity and optimism don't balance each other out on the internet, so it's hard to avoid "bad feelings".
I feel the same way. If you aren't interested in a forum anymore, just stop posting. If you want to come back later, come back.
"Farewell threads" just seem like a bid for attention to me.
Are they any more or less a bid for attention than the "I am never going to play 4e posts but I still going to talk about like I know something" posts?
Now on to the reply
Ignore lists don't hide quotes.
Ignore lists don't prevent entire threads being derailed into giant eye-poking contests among those who don't use them, totally ruining the original discussion.
Ignore lists don't stop trolls from taking a discussion about weapon ranges and turning it into "4E is dumbed-down for retarded kidz!" "No, it isn't!" contests.
In other words, the only way to use 'ignore' to remove the offending content is to ignore pretty much everybody. Or, in short, to leave the forums, as Hocus Smokus did. The ignore list solves 0% of the problem, not 99%.
From your tone, dismissing all those who express concern about the pollution of the forum by trolling and vindictive bickering as having 'delicate sensibilities,' and typing 'crap,' all I can say is, hmmmm ....
Lord knows, I get pulled into enough of the bickering, but often, that's all there really is in a topic. When I do find someone who wants to engage in meaninful debate, I will often just skip the bickering posts and look for that person's name. It isn't hard to keep a nice, intelligent conversation going inside a messy thread, and SOMETIMES, you'll pull the others around just by keeping it going.
So no, ignoring everybody or leaving aren't the only two options you have.
Personally, I've tried leaving the boards several times in part due to the rampant trolling, but I just can't seem to quite sever the ties to the board.
I have to say the nastiness factor on these boards is quite high. 4E has really made it bad, it seems.
Or really 'look how cool I am that I can look down my nose at someone who announced that they're leaving' posts.
or let me poke my nose down at the other nose down pokers, and promote my own forums in the process posts ;)
just sayin
malkav
4E has really made it bad, it seems.
No, 3e made it bad!!!111!!!
Sorry, obligatory
Yes, but in the civilizrd parts of the online world, those guys get dealt with.
Here, they're allowed to run wild and free on a level I haven't bee familiar with since the turn of this century when I was brought on to help stem a troll invasion from a site angry about one of the members saying something bad about a webcomic creator.
If you think the Wizards forums are bad, go take a look at the World of Warcraft forums some day.
Wear a hazmat suit.
If you think the Wizards forums are bad, go take a look at the World of Warcraft forums some day.
Wear a hazmat suit.
Though I quote you Ash, this isn't meant only for you. This is meant for a lot of the people on this thread.
The internet is not 100% about bad places that everyone acts like imbeciles. In fact, thank god, this is a very small minority. In fact, the only ones I've personally been a part that have shown absolute nastiness is this and Yahoo! Answers (Tried to have rational conversations about politics...left that board after about 1 month).
Just because other forums are worse, this doesn't mean that we have to be that bad. In reference to WoW, though I've never gone into the forum, I am ready to quit playing because all of the rude people have started to limit how much fun I'm having. Currently, I am looking into Warhammer and just playing lots of 4E online.
In closing, its the same nastiness in this thread, of people that didn't want to actually talk to the poster, but to tell him how 'bad' he was instead of just a) ignoring the post or b) just saying 'see ya' and getting on with your life. This, sadly, seems to be a normal thing on this board to the point that when I tell another user that I wasn't being condescending and actually just wanted a good conversation he was shocked and immediately apologized, saying that he was so used to other users insta flaming that he thought I was just picking a fight.
This shouldn't be how it is. Should we have good conversations and discuss what we disagree on? Absolutely! Throw in your two cents, if neccessary back it with facts, but don't just drop into a thread (such as this) for no other reason than to harrass the person that posted it. There is many thread titles I wasn't interested in, and I just skipped them.
One thing you may consider is attempting to control yourself before you tell others what to do.
Thanks for listening, and honestly, I don't care if your opinion doesn't match mine.