It is one of my all time favourites.
I remember watching it one Autumn. I was slightly ill, so had a cold induced haze about me. It was twilight, the Autumn sun was sinking into the horizon, slipping between falling leaves. We have a coal fire at home and that was on. The lights were off. It felt as if I was in a fairytale setting myself while watching the film.
The atmosphere of that movie has inspired the mood of my D&D games quite deeply. In fact, if what I have read somewhere before wasd true, Legend inspired the creator of the Legend of Zelda series to make that video game and come to think of it, there are moments reminiscent of the film in the games.
So, who else likes it?
Now Gump's riddle.
What is a bell that never rings, yet its knell makes the angels sing?
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A bluebell. To hear them ring means your life is at an end.
Specifically, Ridley Scott is the man in terms of art direction. He's mostly known for his sets that are beyond reproach, in addition to other good qualities (writing is top shelf too). As far as I was taught, when it comes to immersion, namely his custom sets, he cuts no corners and spares little expense; "Bladerunner" and "Aliens" totally sum up believability, especially in a time where CGI was pretty much unheard of. Not an easy feat but when you're given the high accolade of 1st real, believable cyberpunk film. Well, that pretty much sets the standard I guess.
"Legend" is just on the other end of the scale. Most can't go from noir/sci-fi or action/horror all the way to fantasy and pull it off.
And yet, not too many reference it here (forums) despite the huge buffet of ideas it enlists in our mutual game. Most, immediately go to "Conan" (I not II), "LotR" (all 3), Hell, even "Willow", things like that. Admittedly, good films, but this covers the wide birth of fantasy thematics from a host of campaign settings. Plus, Tom Cruise before he got preachy & weird, Tim Curry is the man, and Mira Sarah's only other work apart from "Ferris Bueller" that I know of.
The goblins, "Blix" (some Brit lady played him if you can believe it) particularly, impressed me as well as "Mucklebones" the troll-hag thing. She gets a much longer back n' forth w/ Jack in the director's cut as he tries to negotiate w/ her not to eat him, making a killer Bluff roll about how fair and lovely she is, stalling her to gaze at her reflection in his shield before decapitation. Damn, I should really put that on my Amazon account now...
I mourn for that type of film, the great fantasy quests such as Krull and Dark Crystal, whatever happened to them, eh?
I think I only ever catch the end of that film, much the same as I seem to do with Aliens and a few others.
Oh, man, you really should. Maybe not Oscar-worthy, but good films nonetheless. Gotta' sit and watch them, all the way through, no interruptions (as intended). Don't even get up to pee, just let it go...;)
It's like joining a campaign already in session. You don't really get in on the ground floor and get the full majesty and thematic punch of it which sucks. Ironically, you're not only losing game XP but XP IRL, which is probably more detrimental. Hmm, onto something here...
And I didn't know it was Ridley Scott.
Neither did I when I was young and naive...err, younger and more (less?) naive
. But, you get older, schooling, word of mouth, the net, etc and these things educate you to the finer details you never gave a sh-t about earlier. Ex) take an otherwise good "sundae" and add a few extra sprinkles on the top so you enjoy it just a little more than you did previously.Kinda' like having read a book, hearing about its adaptation to a screenplay, then going to the theatre, enjoying it (hopefully, a faithful adaptation w/ out too many "liberties"), then a nice little discussion over drinks w/ friends on the compare and contrast between the 2 medias of it, etc. Good times.
I mourn for that type of film, the great fantasy quests such as Krull and Dark Crystal, whatever happened to them, eh?
Box Office Yield? Well, not really, but anyone that's talking w/ a producer these days to finance a production is probably gonna' hear, "What, like Jackson's LotR kinda' film? Man, you got some big shoes to fill..."
ie) You probably can't do it as good and get me a good return on my investment. Better go w/ the sure thing designed to make ME more $...
And to think, some nasty law suits follwing the trilogy w/ those bastards trying to nickle and dime Jackson to death. Nevermind he made them super f'ing rich in the process and would've made them richer still...had they not tried to back door him financially, thusly, staying his hand from doing "The Hobbit" like he wanted to do originally, but was caught up in the legal BS of the other 3 w/ his oh-so-loyal producers.
Plus, fantasy is often hit or miss. I trust you've heard of the D&D movies? They're abortions on celluloid. W/ track records like that, financiers tend to get a little nervous, so even your brilliant concept sometimes won't even get off the ground due to, well, greed basically.
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I'm dying to know what happened here ("Scene Missing" -NIN)
Now Blade Runner, that is a thread unto itself.......maybe over in the d20 Modern section, lol.
I have no idea what "masking" is. Does that mean someone was pretending to be someone else or something?
It's a way to get around the profanity filter. Usually by using leet.
Byron, did you ever pick a winner. Yeah, "Legend" is the ****
is the offending line then? Shame on you 1 ton, shame.
A classic of a film, but the director's cut is so much better than the US release. Ridley Scott overheard to dumb stoners critique the film (in the lovely way stoners do)...
Agenda much? Not trying to step on your toes here, but, reaalllly?
Source? You know there was/is (?) a time he indulged, right? Plus, you might want to take a look @ "American Gangster", another of his films. Might shed a little light here is all.I don't think kids high on green carry as much weight as say, your editor, producers, cinematographer and so on; the real voice of change in post production, not an imaginary group of movie-goers w/ no professional clout. It's not like they have industry credibility or an investment to protect...
and he chopped it to hell and hastily made Tangerine Dream make a new "hip" soundtrack so that the kids would "get it".
He cut some footage as is often the case w/ most movies. And yes, I've seen the director's cut, and yes, it's better, but there's not a mammoth amount of film stock that hit the cutting room floor. Some, yes.
Plus, run time and profits rarely see eye to eye (see LotR, JFK, Hamlet, etc), and often in cinema, less is more. You can overwhelm the audience at times w/ too much, deviate from the main message, etc.
Just had that discussion last night w/ roomie about Watchmen. No "Tales of the Black Freighter" w/in the actual film itself, right? Sucks, I loved those brief asides, but it's partially understandable given the contexts/subject matter of the FILM. Doesn't translate well, but fits like a glove in another media, that one being the original rendition, PRINT. Watch for the reissue coming soon.
Now, don't get me wrong, both the soundtracks are AWESOME (I managed to find both of them for under $20 a piece), but the US release is all chopped up and doesn't make as much sense. The DVD release has both versions, which is nice.
I dig the pan flute in the main theme, "Darkness" is ok, etc., but I can't really qualify the OST's as awesome. Especially the ending piece (final credits), it's kinda' cheesy. Not a Tangerine Dream fan, but whatever, to each his own. To be fair, I loved "Dune", but, well, Toto in the OST...so, you know...
Now Blade Runner, that is a thread unto itself......
True that. Again, the sets for cyberpunk and high fantasy in these cases are worlds apart, but Scott is spot on in both cases. Hell of a precident. He's gold.
ToastedAmphibian: is the offending line then? Shame on you 1 ton, shame.
I'm so humiliated I need to use the restroom for a completely unrelated reason.
But I digress, the benefits of incorporeality...;) Somewhere, lost in the ethers, those missing letters are drifting aimlessly, looking for home, a kind word, a helping hand...
Agenda much? Not trying to step on your toes here, but, reaalllly?
It was said many times in various interviews by cast and crew (on the 2-disc DVD the "making of/look back" piece mentions it) that Scott attended a showing and sat behind two kids getting high (most likely to mask his own) and heard them trashing his movie. So, for example, the scene with Meg Mucklebones (played by the Doctor from Voyager, btw) was chopped up so badly it's a pain to watch. As is the first scene with Gump (one minute he's talking, the next a spaz-out, wtf?) which is why I said chopped to hell. It's one thing to cut a scene because it drags the movie down or sidetracks the plot, but the inconsistent jump within the scenes was crap IMHO.
It was said many times in various interviews by cast and crew (on the 2-disc DVD the "making of/look back" piece mentions it) that Scott attended a showing and sat behind two kids getting high (most likely to mask his own) and heard them trashing his movie. So, for example, the scene with Meg Mucklebones (played by the Doctor from Voyager, btw) was chopped up so badly it's a pain to watch. As is the first scene with Gump (one minute he's talking, the next a spaz-out, wtf?) which is why I said chopped to hell. It's one thing to cut a scene because it drags the movie down or sidetracks the plot, but the inconsistent jump within the scenes was crap IMHO.
Ah, then I concede/understand your point much better. Thanks for clarifying. Damn kids. Don't get me wrong, there was a time when I trafficed w/ plenty of, uh, youthful indiscretions, but I certainly wouldn't be acting up in the theatre as a courtesy to my neighbors. Embarrass easilly
. If I found fault in the film, we'd hash that out later in the parking lot, not during the picture itself. Bad form. Don't even get me started on cells, above whisper volume, texting, and seat kickers...very rigid standards have I.I only wish I could've been there to tell him to ignore the rabble. Maybe he was nervous, maybe they were just that outspoken, maybe he was under pressure from the studio, etc. I wonder why he decided to change it. It just kills me to see good (wo)men kow tow or concede to special interests for the wrong reasons. If anything, they should be yielding to him, IMO, given his track record. I know this was a while ago, what, like '86? But I thought w/ Bladerunner and Aliens under his belt, he could do (nearly) no wrong.
Most baked ppl I see @ the theatre are very quiet and very reserved...so they don't get caught, not full of bombast & unwarranted criticism. That comes later when bravery and common sense are more in synch, ie) when authority figures aren't around
. I think what got me was the mindframe. You're often more critical at times in a conditioned state (high, drunk, otherwise) and expectations change too, so, you're not getting quite the impact anticipated for typical (sober) audiences at times. Anyway, I do remember the negotiation bit w/ Mucklebones. God, that was good. He's bluffing the Hell out of her in classic fashion, very archetypal fantasy moment. Summons up all manner of nostalgia from Hansel & Gretyl fame.
Yeah, sometimes it's better to leave well enough alone. I figured, perhaps the cut bits were the more graphic of the fare as is often the case. I guess this is why I'd rather poll serious film enthusiasts than take one on the chin from some casual theatre-goers just looking for a "good time".
I only wish I could've been there to tell him to ignore the rabble. Maybe he was nervous, maybe they were just that outspoken, maybe he was under pressure from the studio, etc. I wonder why he decided to change it. It just kills me to see good (wo)men kow tow or concede to special interests for the wrong reasons. If anything, they should be yielding to him, IMO, given his track record. I know this was a while ago, what, like '86? But I thought w/ Bladerunner and Aliens under his belt, he could do (nearly) no wrong.
If you ever get the chance to see the look back at Blade Runner on BR DVD set that came out in the last couple of years, it shows how Scott came to "fear" (for lack of a better word) American audiences and after what he overheard, he paniced since he wanted his film to be received positively here too. But, we here in the old US of A tend to do that to people on the outside, no wonder they kicked us over here in the first place, lol.
I like the Director's Cut better.
In that is it conclusive proved that Jack is a replicant?
In that is it conclusive proved that Jack is a replicant?
I get the impression that you are trying to make a joke, most likely based off a meme.
Frankly I do not get what you are trying to say.
I get the impression that you are trying to make a joke, most likely based off a meme.
Frankly I do not get what you are trying to say.
Blade Runner Director's cut. Also directed by Ridley Scott
In that is it conclusive proved that Jack is a replicant?
Accelerated decrepitude is a necessary evil in some cases.
Not to derail the topic, but someone mentioned Krull and that led me to ask if anyone has ever seen "Hawk: The Slayer"? Or even heard of the TV show "Wizards and Warriors" (only had 8 episodes, lol)? I'm just curious how bad my geekdom really is, lol.
Could be worse. I wasn't even born when it was released, but Ladyhawke is one of my guilty pleasures. Along with Clueless. Lemme tell you,those "indescretions" mentioned earlier? Even the legal ones? They don't mix well when the movie playlist has Clueless and 12 Monkeys queued up. Not well at all...
You might as well go from all American Disney...then porn. See how everyone's feeling by the final credits :D. Nothing says "awkward" like...Well, at least you got a Gilliam movie in there when...
Might I recommend "Fear & Loathing in Las Vegas", any M. Python film, or "Brazil". But yeah, "12 Monkeys" is high end, very nice.
A mind bender of good rapport, but as for "Clueless", you have my sympathies. Not my bag, but, Rutger Hauer (Cpt. Lavarre) is the man in "Ladyhawke". I can even forgive the cheesy 80's musical score.
Not to derail the topic, but someone mentioned Krull and that led me to ask if anyone has ever seen "Hawk: The Slayer"? Or even heard of the TV show "Wizards and Warriors" (only had 8 episodes, lol)? I'm just curious how bad my geekdom really is, lol.
Yes, unfortunately, I did see Hawk the Slayer. I had a really hard time sitting through it. I don't know...it was better than the D&D movie. But probably no one should take my word on it, because I really like KnightRiders. :embarrass
I looooved Wizards & Warriors when I was a kid, though I must admit I remember very little about it now. My brother & I played like we were in the show back then, when we weren't pretending to be Magnum and Higgins or Michael Knight and Devin or the Six-Million-Dollar Man or the Hulk or--jeez, there was some awesome TV back then! I wonder if Wizards & Warriors is actually available anywhere...
I love Legend, but I prefer the original cut. (I have the same experience with Amadeus and with Lynch's Dune, though, so it may just be a matter of having seen it so many times the one way that the re-edit seems bizarre and uncomfortable to me, and the content isn't story-changing enough to make a difference.)
+1, well said. Damn, that's a weird dbl feature though. Like pickles & ice cream.
Well, at least you got a Gilliam movie in there when...
Might I recommend "Fear & Loathing in Las Vegas", any M. Python film, or "Brazil". But yeah, "12 Monkeys" is high end, very nice.
A mind bender of good rapport, but as for "Clueless", you have my sympathies. Not my bag, but, Rutger Hauer (Cpt. Lavarre) is the man in "Ladyhawke". I can even forgive the cheesy 80's musical score.
Let's just put it this way: Netflix has given up on recommending films beyond hat one that always shows up at the top of the page.