Check this out. Cold fusion technology being sold in other countries. Costs about $100 for 6 months of power per household. Its the size of your fist. "I told you so" for all those that say the government isn't blocking cheaper energy.
Still if it works, I'm getting one. But I'm not going to invest in them
I may already be wearing one of those. Maybe not, though! *nervous tittering* I am not microwave safe.So.... "Nickel Crisis" in 2073?
Nah, I'm sure we'll be hit by another nickel baring meteor by then. If not, we'll certainly be able to mine to the Earth's core by that time.
Really take a second to look at it. The Italian government is funding this and they have a powerplant built and starting up. Seriously make fun of something else...
Ah yes the naysayers association has hit...
Really take a second to look at it. The Italian government is funding this and they have a powerplant built and starting up. Seriously make fun of something else...
No thanks, I'll continue make fun of this bit of nonsense.
Lokiare why don't you buy one and let us know how it works out?
Because I'm in the process of deciding which bill to forego paying in order to buy my groceries for the month.
You also missed the part about not being patented in the U.S., thus not purchasable.
The history of cold fusion is that the inventors of it showed that it could be done, but when other scientists checked their work they were unable to recreate the results. Later on a couple of Japanese scientists located the problem being impurities in the paladium that was used. With purer paladium they are able to recreate the effects on a more reliable basis. Though you cannot get a patent in the U.S. because cold fusion is on the technology black list. A few people have gotten through this by using confusing words and overcomplicating their diagrams so the patent people can't tell what it is. I'd like to do more research on this but I am unable to financially...
If I were a conpirationalist, I might see a connection here.
It's interesting how the people who are most easily convinced that everything is the "next big thing" are also often the ones that don't have any money to spare.
If I were a conpirationalist, I might see a connection here.
Its not going to be the next big thing because the multi-trillion dollar energy industry won't stand for it... I bet this dude is gonna be 'accidentally' killed in the next few weeks...
It's interesting how the people who are most easily convinced that everything is the "next big thing" are also often the ones that don't have any money to spare.
If I were a conpirationalist, I might see a connection here.
Its not going to be the next big thing because the multi-trillion dollar energy industry won't stand for it... I bet this dude is gonna be 'accidentally' killed in the next few weeks...
Strangely enough if you look at Cold Fusion scientists they usually die shortly after they are successful in creating a Cold Fusion cell...
You also missed the part about not being patented in the U.S., thus not purchasable.
... Ok, I'll bite. Just how does it not having a US patent stop it from being purchased in the US?
Ah yes the naysayers association has hit...
Really take a second to look at it. The Italian government is funding this and they have a powerplant built and starting up. Seriously make fun of something else...
*takes second look*
Yep, still looks like soldered scrap pipe and tinfoil. Honestly now, you've seen that picture and you truly believe it's a working anything let alone a proper machine to facilitate fusion? For serious?
... Ok, I'll bite. Just how does it not having a US patent stop it from being purchased in the US?
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And besides all a patent is is an agreement from the government that you will be allowed to have a temporary monopoly on the production of the item patented, as a reward for putting in the effort to develop said item.
The builders don't know how it works.
They even admit this in their own paper explaining the machine, that they published in an online magazine that they put out...since every other scientific magazine wouldn't accept it as they admit they don't know why it works...
Strangely enough if you look at Cold Fusion scientists they usually die shortly after they are successful in creating a Cold Fusion cell...
No, what's really strange is that you believe this to be true.
Strangely enough if you look at Cold Fusion scientists they usually die shortly after they are successful in creating a Cold Fusion cell...
No, what's really strange is that you believe this to be true.
Do your research they really do die shortly afterward. The circumstances are different in each case but they invariably die shortly after releasing it.
Do your research they really do die shortly afterward. The circumstances are different in each case but they invariably die shortly after releasing it.
Sounds to me like this technology is nowhere near safe enough to pursue yet.
So.... "Nickel Crisis" in 2073?
Nah, I'm sure we'll be hit by another nickel baring meteor by then. If not, we'll certainly be able to mine to the Earth's core by that time.
We've already landed on a comet. Why wait for the danged thing to hit earth. We can go to the belt near Mars and fetch the stuff.
This sounds like a job for the Doom Truck.
www.naturalnews.com/032455_cold_fusion_E...
"I told you so" for all those that say the government isn't blocking cheaper energy.
This doesn't prove the government is blocking anything. Do you realize how much red tape is involved in the government? Do you understand that before a flashlight is given to a soldier an agency has to test in under different conditions and certify that this flashlight will not start on fire or explode under extreme conditions (and then that agency charges whoever wanted to issue that flashlight to the soldiers an insane amount of money for that certification)? Just because the technology exists doesn't mean it's proven and just because it's proven doesn't mean the government can immediately adopt it.
Strangely enough if you look at Cold Fusion scientists they usually die shortly after they are successful in creating a Cold Fusion cell...
No, what's really strange is that you believe this to be true.
Do your research they really do die shortly afterward. The circumstances are different in each case but they invariably die shortly after releasing it.
Where are you getting your information?
You also missed the part about not being patented in the U.S., thus not purchasable.
... Ok, I'll bite. Just how does it not having a US patent stop it from being purchased in the US?
I was wondering this myself. Maybe Loki can enlighten us...
EDIT: FYI, You can't get a patent unless you apply for one, which he just did in January. Here's the application.
Where are you getting your information?
Mad Magazine?
*shrug* I don't see anything presented that is proof that the government is blocking this, anyhow. It's one thing to present an article about some possibly really cool breakthrough, it's quite another to make this about a government conspiracy. But I expect no less.
What's really funny is that the very first blurb of the article would indicate they are trying to get this moving. Looks to me like it's not being blocked at all.
An American company named Ampenergo has made a deal with Andrea Rossi to market his Energy Catalyzer (E-Cat) technology in the Americas. Ampenergo, which has ties to people in the U.S. DOD and DOE, will share royalties with Rossi, and are in the middle of talks with multiple potential customers.
And in paragraph two, it's pretty clear.
It has recently been announced that another company named Ampenergo, has made a deal with Andrea Rossi (through his company Leonardo Corporation) to market and develop the technology in North and South America.
And this:
* He has stated that it is possible a one megawatt plant will be opened in the USA by November.
* E-Cats will be sold to the public by the end of this year.
Pretty obvious that it's coming to America fairly soon. I guess this is all really proof that you read what you want to read. Well, at least if you are overtly paranoid.
Where are you getting your information?
Mad Magazine?
*shrug* I don't see anything presented that is proof that the government is blocking this, anyhow. It's one thing to present an article about some possibly really cool breakthrough, it's quite another to make this about a government conspiracy. But I expect no less.
What's really funny is that the very first blurb of the article would indicate they are trying to get this moving. Looks to me like it's not being blocked at all.An American company named Ampenergo has made a deal with Andrea Rossi to market his Energy Catalyzer (E-Cat) technology in the Americas. Ampenergo, which has ties to people in the U.S. DOD and DOE, will share royalties with Rossi, and are in the middle of talks with multiple potential customers.
And in paragraph two, it's pretty clear.It has recently been announced that another company named Ampenergo, has made a deal with Andrea Rossi (through his company Leonardo Corporation) to market and develop the technology in North and South America.
And this:* He has stated that it is possible a one megawatt plant will be opened in the USA by November.
* E-Cats will be sold to the public by the end of this year.
Pretty obvious that it's coming to America fairly soon. I guess this is all really proof that you read what you want to read. Well, at least if you are overtly paranoid.
Yes, he has applied for a patent. Maybe he'll get it, but many other individuals and companies have applied for similar patents and been blocked or flat out ignored. Who knows maybe he slipped one past them... Its more likely that they are going ahead without the patent, knowing full well that no one else can get the patent and they can always claim 'patent pending' until the government realizes they can't stall anymore. Course I doubt we'll see this anytime soon especially not in November. There is just too much opposition from the energy cartels. Its more likely we'll see a bill passed that bans certain technologies that are nickel and palladium based before then... it'll probably be tacked onto another bill that is more mainstream kind of as an afterthought...
About it being a government conspiracy... When the government ignores or outright refuses patents on similar technology for 30+ years yeah it does kind of look like a conspiracy, who knows maybe its just gross incompetence, but whatever it is, looks like they can't block it forever. The technology exists to get us off oil, but we're not seeing a lot of action on this front because it would supposedly cause a massive financial problem. In reality it would shift oil over to a manufacturing product and the price would drop accordingly. Pollution would drop dramatically and the economy would actually recover because people wouldn't be paying $200 electric bills compounded with $4 per gallon gas tank bills. Also it would make the supply of natural gas increase (because demand would go way down) and the price of it would plummet to reasonable levels. Overall it would free up on average $300 for each family that would then be pumped into the economy...
Of course if the energy cartels have their way we'll be stuck on oil, coal, and natural gas until the last minute and then they will trot out all of this 'cool' technology they have been 'researching' when in fact it was sitting on a shelf in a warehouse somewhere for 30 years...
You also missed the part about not being patented in the U.S., thus not purchasable.
... Ok, I'll bite. Just how does it not having a US patent stop it from being purchased in the US?
I was wondering this myself. Maybe Loki can enlighten us...
EDIT: FYI, You can't get a patent unless you apply for one, which he just did in January. Here's the application.
It won't stop individuals from purchasing it, but it will stop it from being manufactured or purchased by distributors and companies. Its too much of a risk. You could probably purchase it online and have it shipped to you, but other than that your not going to see it in the U.S. until a 'patent' or 'patent pending' happens...
There is just too much opposition from the energy cartels.
Proof, please. Unless, of course, you mean that the energy companies don't like it, because that would be common sense. Of course they don't want competition. Otherwise, there is nothing they can do to stop it unless they are able to prove that it is unsafe or snake oil.
It won't stop individuals from purchasing it, but it will stop it from being manufactured or purchased by distributors and companies. Its too much of a risk. You could probably purchase it online and have it shipped to you, but other than that your not going to see it in the U.S. until a 'patent' or 'patent pending' happens...
Then you probably shouldn't say things like not having a patent makes it unpurchaseable. Everything else is fallacy, considering it's already in production in the US.
You also missed the part about not being patented in the U.S., thus not purchasable.
... Ok, I'll bite. Just how does it not having a US patent stop it from being purchased in the US?
I was wondering this myself. Maybe Loki can enlighten us...
EDIT: FYI, You can't get a patent unless you apply for one, which he just did in January. Here's the application.
It won't stop individuals from purchasing it, but it will stop it from being manufactured or purchased by distributors and companies. Its too much of a risk. You could probably purchase it online and have it shipped to you, but other than that your not going to see it in the U.S. until a 'patent' or 'patent pending' happens...
So when you said "not purchasable" you didn't actually mean that?
There is just too much opposition from the energy cartels.
Proof, please. Unless, of course, you mean that the energy companies don't like it, because that would be common sense. Of course they don't want competition. Otherwise, there is nothing they can do to stop it unless they are able to prove that it is unsafe or snake oil.
Are you serious? Just look at how the multi-billion dollar credit card companies just about run the government. It took a political slap in the face to get congress to pass the last credit law that requires you to pay some on your principle of your loan. The credit card companies pretty much said we can do what we want and congress finally shamed into action passed the law, but not without a lot of opposition. It would be easy for them to get laws passed that would ban the use, purchase, or distribution of cheap and efficient energy. I mean look at the PDF versus Print debate the book print companies are throwing money at congress to get them to pass laws to favor them and they are suing everyone that is even remotely doing anything that costs them money. I'm sure the energy companies will fight tooth and nail to stop cheap energy. That's not even considering non-legal methods such as defamation, framing for crimes, and out-right assassination that multi-trillion dollar companies will do to keep their profit margins from plunging to multi-thousand dollar levels.
You'll also note that the article mentions that the company they are using in the U.S. is tied to the D.O.D. and the energy commission. So its even more likely we won't see house units that you can buy for $7500 and refill for $100 every 6 months. Its more likely that they will simply build plants and charge you the same or maybe if they are generous slightly less than they are now. In the mean time do-it yourself kits will be peddled through the internet (which Clinton is trying to get regulated)...
You'll also note that the article mentions that the company they are using in the U.S. is tied to the D.O.D. and the energy commission. So its even more likely we won't see house units that you can buy for $7500 and refill for $100 every 6 months. Its more likely that they will simply build plants and charge you the same or maybe if they are generous slightly less than they are now. In the mean time do-it yourself kits will be peddled through the internet (which Clinton is trying to get regulated)...
I highly doubt this as well. It's a free market. Besides, personal purchases of this would be no different than purchasing solar panel solutions to provide your home independent energy.
Earlier, in another forum, I had heard about this device having been "tested by the University of Bologna". It turned out the test only showed that it wasn't giving off neutrons - which, of course, would be true if it did not live up to its claims, but instead only produced a tiny amount of energy from a chemical reaction between the hydrogen and the nickel.
So, at that time, I considered using the reputation of that university to make the device look like it was worthy of being taken seriously to be dishonest. But if they start selling a bunch of them, and they don't have to disappear from the angry customers in a hurry shortly afterwards - I will not continue to be skeptical then, in the face of proven facts.
Are you serious?
Yes
Just look at how the multi-billion dollar credit card companies just about run the government. It took a political slap in the face to get congress to pass the last credit law that requires you to pay some on your principle of your loan. The credit card companies pretty much said we can do what we want and congress finally shamed into action passed the law, but not without a lot of opposition.
Or you know maybe they didn't see the law was necessary before that.
It would be easy for them to get laws passed that would ban the use, purchase, or distribution of cheap and efficient energy.
How so? What would the wording of the ban be? Anything cheaper than coal or nuclear power is banned? You're welcome to join the rest of us in reality any time.
I mean look at the PDF versus Print debate the book print companies are throwing money at congress to get them to pass laws to favor them and they are suing everyone that is even remotely doing anything that costs them money. I'm sure the energy companies will fight tooth and nail to stop cheap energy.
Yeah, most companies try to get Congress to pass laws that favor them. So do voters. Rich people want lower taxes on the rich. Poor people want more social programs. Oh and suing everyone that costs them money, yeah sorry not true, cuz you know the law doesn't actually work that way. Now they will sue someone that say, violates copyright and costs them money. Cuz that's the way the law actually works.
That's not even considering non-legal methods such as defamation, framing for crimes, and out-right assassination that multi-trillion dollar companies will do to keep their profit margins from plunging to multi-thousand dollar levels.
Once again, proof? Or is this like your magical black helicopters from the shadow government run by Visa and Exxon that we just need to take your word for?
You'll also note that the article mentions that the company they are using in the U.S. is tied to the D.O.D. and the energy commission. So its even more likely we won't see house units that you can buy for $7500 and refill for $100 every 6 months. Its more likely that they will simply build plants and charge you the same or maybe if they are generous slightly less than they are now. In the mean time do-it yourself kits will be peddled through the internet (which Clinton is trying to get regulated)...
You'll note that nothing you has said makes an ounce of sense and you have yet to prove any of it.
Am I the only one who got a chuckle out of "University of Bologna" by the way? I don't think he could've found a better university to get this test done at.
Apparently so. I admit to getting easily sidetracked by crazy conspiracy theories. Now that you pointed it out I got a good chuckle from it too.
I hope it's real, but suspect it's not.
My thoughts exactly.
I hope it's real, but suspect it's not.
My thoughts exactly.
Its been independently verified, two major companies have picked it up, they have manufactured 300 units and built a powerplant in italy. I'm sure there's something to it, or the guy has a platinum tongue...
He wouldn't be the first to have a platinum tongue. He would be the first to invent cold-fusion.
Well, technically it's not cold fusion. The fuel source does need to be replenished. It just uses such a miniscule amount.
There was a show about this guy (if it's the same guy) on Discovery or History channel some 4-6 years ago, if I recall. He began working on the device about 25 years ago from his garage, so it's not like it is some flash in the pan, and there is some validity.
We'll all find out soon enough.
I hope it's real, but suspect it's not.
My thoughts exactly.
Its been independently verified, two major companies have picked it up, they have manufactured 300 units and built a powerplant in italy. I'm sure there's something to it, or the guy has a platinum tongue...
Not sure about Defkalion, but Ampenergo isn't what I'd call a major company. As far as I can tell it only exists in articles mentioning e-cat stuff. It has no google hits aside from that.
I still see one major hurdle to general acceptance: the aliens that control the oil industry will have everyone involved killed and remove the memory of it from everyone else's minds the guy that invented it can't even tell us how it works. Umm ... sorry, but if you don't know how or why it works, what the hell reason do you have for anyone to trust it?
I like how you exagerate everything to discredit it...
Except they know how it works. Fusion... pretty simple concept. Several atoms fuse together making a molecule losing one or more electrons. In this case the electron generates heat in the water which is then harnessed. It produces copper as a side effect. Now you can get into the math of it, but I'll let the physics experts explain that...
I like how you exagerate everything to discredit it...
Except they know how it works. Fusion... pretty simple concept. Several atoms fuse together making a molecule losing one or more electrons. In this case the electron generates heat in the water which is then harnessed. It produces copper as a side effect. Now you can get into the math of it, but I'll let the physics experts explain that...
From the article you yourself provided:
Rossi and Focardi's failure to provide details on how the process works has not helped their case nor has the fact that they cannot account for how the cold fusion is triggered.
Learn more: www.naturalnews.com/032455_cold_fusion_E...
I still see one major hurdle to general acceptance: the aliens that control the oil industry will have everyone involved killed and remove the memory of it from everyone else's minds the guy that invented it can't even tell us how it works. Umm ... sorry, but if you don't know how or why it works, what the hell reason do you have for anyone to trust it?
I like how you exagerate everything to discredit it...
Except they know how it works. Fusion... pretty simple concept. Several atoms fuse together making a molecule losing one or more electrons. In this case the electron generates heat in the water which is then harnessed. It produces copper as a side effect. Now you can get into the math of it, but I'll let the physics experts explain that...
Actually, they know the end result only, the "claimed" fusion. "How it works" is the process that leads to the "claimed" fusion, and apparently he can't tell us that part.
'Doesn't provide details' does not mean they don't know how it works, it means they didn't reveal the details of their potential multi-billion dollar technology to a college full of students that are about to enter the field. Also they don't know the specifics of what triggers the process, but they know what the process is. They know what goes in and they know what comes out. The only way it could possibly work is nuclear fusion. Deuterium (from heavy water) and Palladium or Nickel (microscopically powdered) go in and copper goes out. Its actually pretty simple math...
Bolded point is relavent point. I said they don't know how it works, you said I exaggerated, I provided evidence (that coincidentally came from a source you brought to the table) that says they don't know how it works and you still question that - even though you also say they don't know how it works. Umm ... ok.
If the math is so simple, why can't they explain it? ;) For someone with so many questions, you seem awful trusting in cases you feel something about. Me? I'd rather not have some sort of fusion reaction that nobody understands powering anything. But hey, why the hell would anyone need to know how their product works to guarantee its safety?
'Doesn't provide details' does not mean they don't know how it works, it means they didn't reveal the details of their potential multi-billion dollar technology to a college full of students that are about to enter the field. Also they don't know the specifics of what triggers the process, but they know what the process is. They know what goes in and they know what comes out. The only way it could possibly work is nuclear fusion. Deuterium (from heavy water) and Palladium or Nickel (microscopically powdered) go in and copper goes out. Its actually pretty simple math...
Bolded point is relavent point. I said they don't know how it works, you said I exaggerated, I provided evidence (that coincidentally came from a source you brought to the table) that says they don't know how it works and you still question that - even though you also say they don't know how it works. Umm ... ok.
If the math is so simple, why can't they explain it? ;) For someone with so many questions, you seem awful trusting in cases you feel something about. Me? I'd rather not have some sort of fusion reaction that nobody understands powering anything. But hey, why the hell would anyone need to know how their product works to guarantee its safety?
Once again, they know exactly how the process works, they just don't know what triggers it. This is like when newton did his physics experiments. At first he didn't know what triggered it, but he knew why it works. Later other scientists filled in the why part. This is simply the same thing...
Once again, they know exactly how the process works, they just don't know what triggers it. This is like when newton did his physics experiments. At first he didn't know what triggered it, but he knew why it works. Later other scientists filled in the why part. This is simply the same thing...
Newton was also proven wrong by later scientists...funny how that can happen when you don't understand how something works...
Once again, they know exactly how the process works, they just don't know what triggers it. This is like when newton did his physics experiments. At first he didn't know what triggered it, but he knew why it works. Later other scientists filled in the why part. This is simply the same thing...
Pssst ... the trigger is part of the process. Notably the start (or trigger) of the process. If they don't understand it, they don't understand how it works. It really, truly is that simple. And they said so themselves.
Now, knowing they don't know what triggers the reaction, do you honestly believe this technology is ready for widespread implementation? Is it safe if it's not understood? Is 'a wizard did it' good enough explanation to satisfy you? Should it be enough to satisfy governing or regulatory bodies?
'Doesn't provide details' does not mean they don't know how it works, it means they didn't reveal the details of their potential multi-billion dollar technology to a college full of students that are about to enter the field. Also they don't know the specifics of what triggers the process, but they know what the process is. They know what goes in and they know what comes out. The only way it could possibly work is nuclear fusion. Deuterium (from heavy water) and Palladium or Nickel (microscopically powdered) go in and copper goes out. Its actually pretty simple math...
Bolded point is relavent point. I said they don't know how it works, you said I exaggerated, I provided evidence (that coincidentally came from a source you brought to the table) that says they don't know how it works and you still question that - even though you also say they don't know how it works. Umm ... ok.
If the math is so simple, why can't they explain it? ;) For someone with so many questions, you seem awful trusting in cases you feel something about. Me? I'd rather not have some sort of fusion reaction that nobody understands powering anything. But hey, why the hell would anyone need to know how their product works to guarantee its safety?
Once again, they know exactly how the process works, they just don't know what triggers it. This is like when newton did his physics experiments. At first he didn't know what triggered it, but he knew why it works. Later other scientists filled in the why part. This is simply the same thing...
Gravity has been borne out for a bit longer than this supposed device. In a new and experimental power source, that bolded section is a potentially fatal flaw, not just to the device but anyone else nearby as well.
Once again, they know exactly how the process works, they just don't know what triggers it. This is like when newton did his physics experiments. At first he didn't know what triggered it, but he knew why it works. Later other scientists filled in the why part. This is simply the same thing...
I don't know about you, but I wouldn't be comfortable putting something that could potentially become a small sun in my home unless someone knows exactly what triggers it.
Once again, they know exactly how the process works, they just don't know what triggers it. This is like when newton did his physics experiments. At first he didn't know what triggered it, but he knew why it works. Later other scientists filled in the why part. This is simply the same thing...
Pssst ... the trigger is part of the process. Notably the start (or trigger) of the process. If they don't understand it, they don't understand how it works. It really, truly is that simple. And they said so themselves.
Now, knowing they don't know what triggers the reaction, do you honestly believe this technology is ready for widespread implementation? Is it safe if it's not understood? Is 'a wizard did it' good enough explanation to satisfy you? Should it be enough to satisfy governing or regulatory bodies?
Uh, yeah. At the very least it should make them want to research it as its a promising alternative to foreign oil, coal, and other things like wind farms and solar energy. Its also cheap and is easily sustainable for the next 1,000 years or so. I mean what's the worst that could happen?
- We rip a whole in the fabric of space/time and everything ends in much the same way it started (i.e. with a big bang).
- All the Zero Point Energy is sucked out of the planet, which then crumbles and no new children are born.
- Worst of all the Energy Mafia goes out of business kicking and screaming like undisciplined children.
I ranked those from most likely to least likely in case anyone is curious...
That should rate somewhere up there with "worst that could happen". When you have something that can supply you with energy for 6 months before needing to be recharged you do not want that something to pump 6 months of energy into your house over the course of 3 seconds. Even solid concrete walls can only take so much before they melt.
I think you missed "The generator overloads and suddenly transforms its entire fuel supply into pure energy, thereby melting everything within 15km to goo."
That should rate somewhere up there with "worst that could happen". When you have something that can supply you with energy for 6 months before needing to be recharged you do not want that something to pump 6 months of energy into your house over the course of 3 seconds. Even solid concrete walls can only take so much before they melt.
Yeah, except once it hits a certain temperature the container explodes and then the reaction stops because the liquid is vaporized and spread across a wide area... in their experiments once the temperature reaches a certain point the nickel melts and stops having a reaction...
The creator of a cold fusion device openly admits he doesn't know how the thing works = this is our answer to the energy question!
I ... I just don't know what to say.
Osama bin Laden was shot in the head during a special operation and was buried at sea to prevent a rallying point for his followers from being created = they're hiding something!
The creator of a cold fusion device openly admits he doesn't know how the thing works = this is our answer to the energy question!
I ... I just don't know what to say.
How bout getting your fact right. They've changed their story more than 15 times on the Osama Bin Laden thing, that alone is enough to make people ask questions.
He knows the things works, he doesn't know what sparks the reaction, but everything else is known.
If you don't know what to say don't say anything at all and stick your head back in the sand...
How bout getting your fact right. They've changed their story more than 15 times on the Osama Bin Laden thing, that alone is enough to make people ask questions.
Sorry, wrong as usual. While elements of the story have undeniably changed, the facts that he was shot in the head and buried at sea have remained constant.
He knows the things works, he doesn't know what sparks the reaction, but everything else is known.
He knows it (allegedly) works. He does not know how. He even admits it and I've been kind enough to point that out several times - and others in this thread have done the same.
If you don't know what to say don't say anything at all and stick your head back in the sand...
Sorry ace, but it's you who's burying your head. Go back and look at what it is you're saying. Even though the creator himself says he doesn't know how it works, you believe that you know better and that he does. You're the one refusing to see what's very plainly there, not me. Hell, it was even in an article you linked. So yeah, it ain't me what's hidin' from the truth on this'n.
How bout getting your fact right. They've changed their story more than 15 times on the Osama Bin Laden thing, that alone is enough to make people ask questions.
Sorry, wrong as usual. While elements of the story have undeniably changed, the facts that he was shot in the head and buried at sea have remained constant.He knows the things works, he doesn't know what sparks the reaction, but everything else is known.
He knows it (allegedly) works. He does not know how. He even admits it and I've been kind enough to point that out several times - and others in this thread have done the same.If you don't know what to say don't say anything at all and stick your head back in the sand...
Sorry ace, but it's you who's burying your head. Go back and look at what it is you're saying. Even though the creator himself says he doesn't know how it works, you believe that you know better and that he does. You're the one refusing to see what's very plainly there, not me. Hell, it was even in an article you linked. So yeah, it ain't me what's hidin' from the truth on this'n.
Go ahead and ingore all the links I've posted in your endless head/sand sticking if you want, but I'm not...
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There is no photo evidence and nothing but their word that they 'threw the body in the sea'. At the very least a photo should have been taken...
As to the Fusion thing. He knows how it works, just not what initiates the effect, but if you read other articles and watch the videos he explains what he thinks is happening with deuterium being forced through the latticework of the Nickel and/or Palladium and being forced to break down into copper.
Your like some kind of bulldog you just grab something and keep ripping at it no matter how many times your proven wrong...
Go ahead and ingore all the links I've posted in your endless head/sand sticking if you want, but I'm not...
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There is no photo evidence and nothing but their word that they 'threw the body in the sea'. At the very least a photo should have been taken...
When did I say anything about his wife? Whether or not he took a shot? If you actually read what I said, you'd have seen I even said that the story had undoubtably been changed - except for the two facts I mentioned (that he was shot in the head and buried at sea). I am beginning to wonder if you read all of anything - even a couple lines of forum post.
By the way, there supposedly is photo evidence that more than just Obama has seen, too. More than one photo was taken, too.
As to the Fusion thing. He knows how it works, just not what initiates the effect, but if you read other articles and watch the videos he explains what he thinks is happening with deuterium being forced through the latticework of the Nickel and/or Palladium and being forced to break down into copper.
He doesn't know how it works. He says so himself. He says so in the article you linked. I have already taken the time to highlight that for you. Other posters in this thread also see him saying he doesn't know how it works as him saying, shockingly, that he doesn't know how it works.
Your like some kind of bulldog you just grab something and keep ripping at it no matter how many times your proven wrong...
Umm ... you've not proven me wrong in the least. Go ahead and reread this post. You talk about things I made no mention of (and you, of all people, seem to love to accuse others of strawmanning when you're doing exactly that to my argument right now) and do not address what I have said. You've been proven wrong - by your own source, no less - and have refused to budge. I'll make it as simple as possible: when the person that invented something says he doesn't know how that something works, it means he doesn't know how it works. You can choose to ignore that so that you feel better about the whole thing, but it doesn't make it less true. And yes, failing to understand what initiates the process is failing to understand how the process works. Hell, you even said yourself in an earlier post that he doesn't know how it's triggered. You did it in this very thread. And somehow I'm the one that won't give up when proven wrong? You proved your own assertions wrong in this very thread but would rather rationalize some half-assed explanation than face the truth. So yeah, it ain't me you're talkin' about with this last section. It's you.
To prove me wrong about this case, you'd need to show that they were saying something different than bin Laden was shot in the face and buried at sea - something you've failed to do. You'd also have to show that the creator of this device knows how it works - something you've failed to do and have agreed with. I'm waiting.
Tell ya what, Lokiare, sometime, in the safety of your own home, when all your neighbors, roommates and pets are out, take out a gun and load it. Then consider, if you didn't know what triggered it and, perhaps more importantly, didn't know how to not trigger it, if it would be safe to leave around a two year old.
I love this conversation.
Tell ya what, Lokiare, sometime, in the safety of your own home, when all your neighbors, roommates and pets are out, take out a gun and load it. Then consider, if you didn't know what triggered it and, perhaps more importantly, didn't know how to not trigger it, if it would be safe to leave around a two year old.
That's absurd and an extreme exaggeration on the danger these devices involve. At worst you would lose power until you have the device replaced maybe some collateral damage from surrounding equipment. Anyone having one of these things in their living room propping up their TV is most certainly not thinking properly. Out behind your house a few yards with a small brick wall around it is more likely, or even better buried in a recess underground with a concrete lid. Its even more absurd when they know exactly what happens when it explodes, the container shatters (usually glass) and the contents are dispersed harmlessly. Here is what they say about it:
This "cold fusion" reaction is far less dangerous than the nuclear fission that occurs at existing nuclear plants. If a catastrophe occurs and the reactor chamber breaks and spills its contents, the device would turn off immediately and the reaction would simply cease. Since there are no radioactive materials or radioactive waste, nothing bad would be introduced into the environment and no danger would be posed to humans or the environment by the device's failure.
From this source.
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Its just not going away. At least overseas...
That's absurd and an extreme exaggeration on the danger these devices involve.
If they can't explain why and how it works, including whatever triggering mechanism is involved, then I don't think it's unfair to find that a hard sell. Seriously... they don't understand the trigger. If they don't understand it, they don't understand how it can go wrong. Sure, they may think the thing is idiot-proof so far, but that just means they haven't met a sufficiently talented idiot. So yeah. Not understanding how and why it works, thoroughly, is a problem.
Now do not put it into any high mana areas.
Actually, that just shows that sufficently talented idiots are a problem.
"The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has limits." Don't remember who said it.
Uh, yeah. At the very least it should make them want to research it as its a promising alternative to foreign oil, coal, and other things like wind farms and solar energy. Its also cheap and is easily sustainable for the next 1,000 years or so. I mean what's the worst that could happen?
- We rip a whole in the fabric of space/time and everything ends in much the same way it started (i.e. with a big bang).
- All the Zero Point Energy is sucked out of the planet, which then crumbles and no new children are born.
- Worst of all the Energy Mafia goes out of business kicking and screaming like undisciplined children.
I ranked those from most likely to least likely in case anyone is curious...
I think it's just easier to quote yourself on this one...
I like how you exagerate everything to discredit it...
What's really funny is that if anyone other than Loki brought this up, coupled with his illusory shadow government tie-in, we'd probably have an intelligent conversation about the merits of this.
This "cold fusion" reaction is far less dangerous than the nuclear fission that occurs at existing nuclear plants. If a catastrophe occurs and the reactor chamber breaks and spills its contents, the device would turn off immediately and the reaction would simply cease. Since there are no radioactive materials or radioactive waste, nothing bad would be introduced into the environment and no danger would be posed to humans or the environment by the device's failure.
Notice how they aren't saying it's 100% safe or that it's impossible for it to explode. That segment you quoted it's failure is this being compared to a nuclear reactor. It also uses the term catastrophe. That's not a word that usually means it just stopped working and shut down.
That's like saying BB guns are safe because they lack the penetration power of bullets. The comment about penetration is true, but being safer is not the same as being safe.
Also, note that it says the reactor chamber breaks and spills its contents. There aren't many things that would make the chamber itself break. The obvious one is pressure. If pressure builds up and breaks the container, that could be an explosion. Explosions are bad. Even when they don't go Chernobyl, they are still bad. Hence, reason for concern.
Notice how they aren't saying it's 100% safe or that it's impossible for it to explode. That segment you quoted it's failure is this being compared to a nuclear reactor. It also uses the term catastrophe. That's not a word that usually means it just stopped working and shut down
A hot water tank is a pretty dangerous item as well. At least, it can be. It's certainly not 100% safe.
Yes, idiots are a problem. And if you're going to market to idiots, you need to account for them. And that means understanding your own technology well enough to make it reasonably safe. If you can't even explain what the triggering mechanism is in your device then I'm not sure you're qualified to talk about how safe it is.
Just trust me when I say this, there is nothing ever, and I do mean Ever created that is safe around, or in the hands of a sufficiently talented idiot. I have seen people that have made their fridges, explode.
This new thing, by virtue of being new and by virtue of the makers not knowing how it works, is a unknown danger. That is, despite their protests, we really don't know just how dangerous it is, under what conditions it's dangerous, and so-on. It's a black-box, an unknown, a mystery. If you don't understand the mechanisms in place you can't say how safe it is, at best you can say "well, it hasn't been too bad yet." Because if you don't really know what's going on, you don't know what can go wrong.
So before you ask someone to trust you, it'd be rather keen to move things from the "unknown danger" grouping to the "known danger" grouping. Otherwise you're just asking people to have faith.
Notice how they aren't saying it's 100% safe or that it's impossible for it to explode. That segment you quoted it's failure is this being compared to a nuclear reactor. It also uses the term catastrophe. That's not a word that usually means it just stopped working and shut down
A hot water tank is a pretty dangerous item as well. At least, it can be. It's certainly not 100% safe.
Yeah, anyone that has ever seen the aftermath of a water heater explosion can testify that it literally looks like a bomb went off. And this is a piece of equipment that is fully understood and people across the world use it day after day. It really doesn't seem that outrageous that people would be wary of something that isn't fully understood.
Notice how they aren't saying it's 100% safe or that it's impossible for it to explode. That segment you quoted it's failure is this being compared to a nuclear reactor. It also uses the term catastrophe. That's not a word that usually means it just stopped working and shut down
A hot water tank is a pretty dangerous item as well. At least, it can be. It's certainly not 100% safe.
Yeah, anyone that has ever seen the aftermath of a water heater explosion can testify that it literally looks like a bomb went off. And this is a piece of equipment that is fully understood and people across the world use it day after day. It really doesn't seem that outrageous that people would be wary of something that isn't fully understood.
(notice I didn't mention the obvious... automobile... *gasp*)
The whole thing is worth keeping an eye on, to be sure. If everything pans out, great, we've got an alternate energy source that could very possibly become a primary energy source. But to argue extreme sides of this invention is pretty silly at this point. There are worthwhile inventions introduced into our society on a regular basis (Yeah, Cat Genie!!!). There is no reason to do anything but to remain optimistic/skeptical at this point. But to go much farther from that seems like an argument for no other reason but to argue.
I think Jharii pretty much nailed it. I don't think anyone in this thread is advocating that we ignore the possibilities of this technology, just that it's a little too early to have a reactor powering every home across America. Well that and pointing out that it's not here right now because it's unproven technology, not because there's some evil government conspiracy to kill energy researchers.
It happens once in a while...
All I know is this... if this was a new food, and people told me it would give me another 50 years of great health, rippling muscles, and women would throw themselves at me, and the inventors told me, "Well, we don't know exactly what ingredients are in it, so we can't tell you that it won't poison your system," I would definitely not be eating it any time soon.
But I would definitely be waiting in anticipation for that ingredient list to be released.
I don't think in this case it's not so much not knowing the ingredients as, potentially knowing they work, knowing what goes into it, just not knowing the How It Works.
It'd be like some uneducated hobo building an engine from scratch that turns out to actually work.
after reading the commentary of phsyicists and other scientific minds, they know about 99% of whats going on in the process. The only thing they don't know is how they are losing a neturon, everything else adds up.
My personal theory is that the neutron is being banged around against other neutrons until you get a collision strong enough to smash two of them together causing a tiny explosion and an anti-proton to be generated which then collides with matter and causes another explosion. This would explain the 'ramp up' time as the collisions are near random and only helped out a little by the electric current. As more neturons are released the chance gets higher that these neutrons will collide so the explosions go up exponentially. Eventually, you get more explosions than can be handled and the heat vaporizes the water which then causes the heat to skyrocket causing the container to explode. Which is why keeping it small makes it easier to keep the overheating to a minimum and makes it more reliable.
By now you've probably hit the 'quote' button and are about to flame me to one of the nine hells. At this point I'd just like to say I pulled that entire hypothesis out of thin air and while it has a 0.000001% chance of being real, its more likely that its completely off.
Oh, oh god. That's it. Thats why they won't tell us how they work. There going to wait till they are instaled across the globe, and then trigger them all at once!
I'm on to you Klirishorn (even though I still can't spell your damn screen name).
Sweet! ZB, its your neutron bomb!
Oh, oh god. That's it. Thats why they won't tell us how they work. There going to wait till they are instaled across the globe, and then trigger them all at once!
I'm on to you Klirishorn (even though I still can't spell your damn screen name).
That's how the shadow government operates. They just do what they want and nuke half the world on a whim. So if klirshon (whatever his name is) is part of it, does that mean that the shadow government is actually Skynet?
Oh, oh god. That's it. Thats why they won't tell us how they work. There going to wait till they are instaled across the globe, and then trigger them all at once!
How could you have guessed my plan?
Err.. I mean here's you tin foil hat nut job.
If you don't know what to say don't say anything at all and stick your head back in the sand...
But that would mean taking off the tinfoil hat.
But that would mean taking off the tinfoil hat.
If it were tinfoil sand, though ....
I am not microwave safe.
I will not admit to any involvement in the theorised installment of household neutron demolitions equipment.