Another one bites the dust...

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#1

homicidal_squirrel

Dec 10, 2011 23:25:35
... hits the canvas... or whatever you'd like to call it.



 
#2

homicidal_squirrel

Dec 11, 2011 0:20:44
It is not against the CoC to post erotic pics?


Yes, but this one is after-the-fact. The CoC violation was what happened before this pic was taken.
#3

homicidal_squirrel

Dec 11, 2011 9:32:07
Oooooooh!


That's what she said.
 
#4

homicidal_squirrel

Dec 11, 2011 21:41:19
Yessssssssssssssss!!!

It's broken...
 
#5

draco1119

Dec 11, 2011 23:18:05
What's broken, the CoC or that guy's arm?!
#6

homicidal_squirrel

Dec 11, 2011 23:20:44
What's broken, the CoC or that guy's arm?!


I was referring to Nogueira's arm. It snapped.
#7

homicidal_squirrel

Dec 11, 2011 23:33:40
Here is the Frank Mir vs Antonio Nogueira 2 fight. 

www.allthebestfights.com/mir-vs-nogueira...

 
#8

zombie_babies

Dec 12, 2011 9:53:33
It pays to tap, yo.
#9

homicidal_squirrel

Dec 12, 2011 16:32:01
It pays to tap, yo.


Yes it does. Someone should have told Nogueira and Machida that. Broken arms and choked out. Harsh lessons. 

You have to give it to Jones. Machida is a heck of a fighter. His ability to move in and out and hit people with power strikesis ridiculous. Rashad evans found that out the hard way. Jones got a taste, but he was able to over come it. He took Machida down and one elbow opened up a gash on Machida's forehead. A minute later Machida was passed out on the mat from a ridiculous standing guillotine.

I heard that if Evans loses his next fight, the next person to get a shot at Jones is going to be Hendo. Something tells me all the testosterone replacement therapy isn't going to help Henderson. 
#10

homicidal_squirrel

Dec 12, 2011 22:18:45
ZB, if you missed the Jones vs Machida fight, here it is.
#11

zombie_babies

Dec 13, 2011 8:23:01
Yes it does. Someone should have told Nogueira and Machida that. Broken arms and choked out. Harsh lessons. 

You have to give it to Jones. Machida is a heck of a fighter. His ability to move in and out and hit people with power strikesis ridiculous. Rashad evans found that out the hard way. Jones got a taste, but he was able to over come it. He took Machida down and one elbow opened up a gash on Machida's forehead. A minute later Machida was passed out on the mat from a ridiculous standing guillotine.

I heard that if Evans loses his next fight, the next person to get a shot at Jones is going to be Hendo. Something tells me all the testosterone replacement therapy isn't going to help Henderson. 



I can actually understand not tapping to a choke.  It doesn't do any real damage so why not hold on and try to get out as long as possible?  What Nog did, though, was just stupid.  I did hear some people say he tapped but that the ref didn't see it.  Something tells me a Brazilian BJJ black belt who's never been subbed would be loathe to tap to a white BJJ black belt, though.  Either way, he had to have known he was done long before it broke.  Maybe he was just lookin' for a reason to retire, heh. 

So far the only style that's given Jones trouble has been Machida's unconventional counterstriking stuff (like we thought it might).  Nobody can do that like Machida can so I can't see anyone really posing an issue for Jones.  Maybe wrestling but Jones' is so good, who's is better?  If it ends up being Hendo, Jones just needs to look out for that right.  That hand can end any fight at any time.  Still, I hope it's Rashad.  I think that one would be good.  Rashad's no joke.
#12

homicidal_squirrel

Dec 13, 2011 8:45:48
I can actually understand not tapping to a choke.  It doesn't do any real damage so why not hold on and try to get out as long as possible?  What Nog did, though, was just stupid.  I did hear some people say he tapped but that the ref didn't see it.  Something tells me a Brazilian BJJ black belt who's never been subbed would be loathe to tap to a white BJJ black belt, though.  Either way, he had to have known he was done long before it broke.  Maybe he was just lookin' for a reason to retire, heh.

I don'r know... that choke looked mighty painful. It looked like he was going to snap Machida's neck they way he was cranking that choke. Much like Nogueira, Machida had never been submitted. I'm guessing he thought he'd be able to get out. He underestimated Jones' abilities. He suffered for that.
I saw the fight fight with Nogueira, I linked it up above, and Nogueira didn't try to tap until the arm snapped. He has this image of the guy that you can't finish, and you can't submit, so I'm guessing you are right, and he wasn't going to let Mir submit him after he had already finished him. That was too much for Nogueira... so his arm was broken. I read an article that his arm won't require surgery. He will probably be out for only 9 months or so, which isn't bad considering how terrible the injury looked. The Canadian fight commission only gave him a two month suspension for the injury. Supposedly he is going to be wearing some kind of plastic adjustible brace or something. Not sure what it actually is or does, but it makes it seem as if the break isn't going to end his career, which is good.
So far the only style that's given Jones trouble has been Machida's unconventional counterstriking stuff (like we thought it might).  Nobody can do that like Machida can so I can't see anyone really posing an issue for Jones.  Maybe wrestling but Jones' is so good, who's is better?  If it ends up being Hendo, Jones just needs to look out for that right.  That hand can end any fight at any time.  Still, I hope it's Rashad.  I think that one would be good.  Rashad's no joke

Yuip, so far Machida has been the only one to give Jones any ttrouble, and it wasn't really too much trouble. I think in the first round Jones was being overly cautious with Machida, with good reason. Jones didn't close in and get the clinch like he likes to do. He stayed at a distance trying to rely on his reach advantage. Machida is just awesome at negating that reach advantage. Still, you can see it in the second round when Jones got aggressive. He cliched, took machida down, elbowed a nasty gash into his forehead, and after the round was restarted choke Machida the hell out.

I think Hendo would have the same problems that Rampage had. Sure, Hendo is a great restler jacked up on test, but his fighting style isn't going to be able to overcome Jones' reach like Machida. Hendo is going to have to shoot in and get close to Jones to try and take him down. Heck, MAchida took a knee when he got too close. Luckily for Machida, he was able to avoid most of the damage since he didn't have his head down and was going for a body lock (probably thinking of tripping Jones), instead of a take down. Hendo would probably shoot for the hip and get a knee to the face.

As for Jones VS Evans, that would be an awesome fight. Evans is quick. He can move in and out and counter strike. Not as good as Machida, but still, he is good. He also has the advantage of having trained ith Jones. If it's true that Evans beat Jones in practice, that may give Evans a psychological advantage.

Next fight coming up is Lesnar VS Overeem, who's got the better steroids battle. 
#13

zombie_babies

Dec 13, 2011 10:03:01
I don'r know... that choke looked mighty painful. It looked like he was going to snap Machida's neck they way he was cranking that choke. Much like Nogueira, Machida had never been submitted. I'm guessing he thought he'd be able to get out. He underestimated Jones' abilities. He suffered for that.
I saw the fight fight with Nogueira, I linked it up above, and Nogueira didn't try to tap until the arm snapped. He has this image of the guy that you can't finish, and you can't submit, so I'm guessing you are right, and he wasn't going to let Mir submit him after he had already finished him. That was too much for Nogueira... so his arm was broken. I read an article that his arm won't require surgery. He will probably be out for only 9 months or so, which isn't bad considering how terrible the injury looked. The Canadian fight commission only gave him a two month suspension for the injury. Supposedly he is going to be wearing some kind of plastic adjustible brace or something. Not sure what it actually is or does, but it makes it seem as if the break isn't going to end his career, which is good.



Still, Machida wakes up with a sore throat and Nog wakes up unable to move his arm.  I mean, one is way, way worse.  I've been choked out.  It's not a big deal.  Takes a few seconds to understand what happened but that's it.  No long term crap.  I think the elbow was worse for the Dargon than the choke.  Though I'm sure it hurt his pride.  A lot. 

And it's great that Big Nog should still be able to fight.  He's a good guy, good for the sport and a warrior.  I don't think he's done yet, but he is getting to that point.  He's a lot younger than he looks, though.  'Course he's also fought a lot.

Yuip, so far Machida has been the only one to give Jones any ttrouble, and it wasn't really too much trouble. I think in the first round Jones was being overly cautious with Machida, with good reason. Jones didn't close in and get the clinch like he likes to do. He stayed at a distance trying to rely on his reach advantage. Machida is just awesome at negating that reach advantage. Still, you can see it in the second round when Jones got aggressive. He cliched, took machida down, elbowed a nasty gash into his forehead, and after the round was restarted choke Machida the hell out.

I think Hendo would have the same problems that Rampage had. Sure, Hendo is a great restler jacked up on test, but his fighting style isn't going to be able to overcome Jones' reach like Machida. Hendo is going to have to shoot in and get close to Jones to try and take him down. Heck, MAchida took a knee when he got too close. Luckily for Machida, he was able to avoid most of the damage since he didn't have his head down and was going for a body lock (probably thinking of tripping Jones), instead of a take down. Hendo would probably shoot for the hip and get a knee to the face.

As for Jones VS Evans, that would be an awesome fight. Evans is quick. He can move in and out and counter strike. Not as good as Machida, but still, he is good. He also has the advantage of having trained ith Jones. If it's true that Evans beat Jones in practice, that may give Evans a psychological advantage.

Next fight coming up is Lesnar VS Overeem, who's got the better steroids battle. 



It's funny how we called that fight.  I remember talking about how Machida can handle reach and is most dangerous when he's allowed time.  We said that would be no problem for Jones since he likes to just erase people.  Looks like they wanted to sort of feel it out and that that was a mistake.  If Machida came after Jones, it may have gone differently.  Maybe not.  Jones is just really good.  But yeah, we totally said what would likely happen if Jones did what he should and just try to overwhelm Machida.  Heh.

With Hendo, I see him standing.  Honest.  I bet he tries to stay covered, stay out of the way of the big damage and hunt for a home for his right hand.  I don't think he'd be able to take Jones down for the reasons you mention.  Something tells me Jones has disgusting elbows from his back, too.  ;)

Evans is the fight.  He's fast and he won't be intimidated in the least cuz he trained with the guy.  He's got ok power, too.  But it depends on which Rashad shows up - the cocky fighter from the days of yore or the cautious GSP wannabe from recent bouts.  I think he loses either way but he'd put on a show if he came to fight instead of coming to not make a mistake. 

Lesner vs Roidereem is pretty easy to call, IMO.  Overeem is the K1 champ and Lesner can't take a punch.  As long as Overeem stays up, it's his fight to lose. 
#14

homicidal_squirrel

Dec 13, 2011 10:24:57
Still, Machida wakes up with a sore throat and Nog wakes up unable to move his arm.  I mean, one is way, way worse.  I've been choked out.  It's not a big deal.  Takes a few seconds to understand what happened but that's it.  No long term crap.  I think the elbow was worse for the Dargon than the choke.  Though I'm sure it hurt his pride.  A lot. 

And it's great that Big Nog should still be able to fight.  He's a good guy, good for the sport and a warrior.  I don't think he's done yet, but he is getting to that point.  He's a lot younger than he looks, though.  'Course he's also fought a lot.

Yeah, it's good Nogueira can still fight, but he should really be retiring. The guy's body has taken a lot of abuse. He had surgery to fix problems with his hips, and his knees. He's been in a lot of fights. That breaks down your body. I don't care how determined you are, eventually your body just gives up. He needs to get out before someone krane kicks him into retirement and knocks out a tooth in the process. At this point he should be opening up a gym and getting a training team together and training younger fighters and managing them. All that glory stuff is useless when your arm is snapped like a twig.
It's funny how we called that fight.  I remember talking about how Machida can handle reach and is most dangerous when he's allowed time.  We said that would be no problem for Jones since he likes to just erase people.  Looks like they wanted to sort of feel it out and that that was a mistake.  If Machida came after Jones, it may have gone differently.  Maybe not.  Jones is just really good.  But yeah, we totally said what would likely happen if Jones did what he should and just try to overwhelm Machida.  Heh.

With Hendo, I see him standing.  Honest.  I bet he tries to stay covered, stay out of the way of the big damage and hunt for a home for his right hand.  I don't think he'd be able to take Jones down for the reasons you mention.  Something tells me Jones has disgusting elbows from his back, too.  ;)

Evans is the fight.  He's fast and he won't be intimidated in the least cuz he trained with the guy.  He's got ok power, too.  But it depends on which Rashad shows up - the cocky fighter from the days of yore or the cautious GSP wannabe from recent bouts.  I think he loses either way but he'd put on a show if he came to fight instead of coming to not make a mistake.

Yeah, we totally called it. I think we're going to have to make a youtube channel: Zombie and squirrel. We'll predict fights. 
I think if the old cocky Rashad shows up, he'll have a better fight. He's more likely to stay lose and move around. When he does the GSP thing, Rashad gets a bit stiff and doesn't have good in and out movement. That'll cot him with Jones. When Rashad fought Rampage, he didn't do too good. He was cautious. He won the fight because he was more active, but tat was about it. Rampage didn't take any real damage in that fight. Still, I think you're right. Jones will win the fight. After beating Machida, he's shown he can handle someone with the ability to move and counter strike.Machida is the best and moving in and out and counter striking. When I watched the first round between Jones and Machida, I was slightl worried. I though Machida would be able rto out-point Jones. And face it, Rashad is good at moving in and out and counter striking, but Machida is way better.If MAchida got handled like that, Rashad doesn't have much hope. Rashad may be better served by trying to take Jones down. Supposedly Rashad wasable to take Jones down at will in practice. Let's see how well he does in a real fight.
Lesner vs Roidereem is pretty easy to call, IMO.  Overeem is the K1 champ and Lesner can't take a punch.  As long as Overeem stays up, it's his fight to lose. 


I think thta fight will be a 1 rounder. If Lesner takles Overreem, Lesnar wins. Overeem doesn't have much of a ground game... at least not enough to get out from under a beast the size of Lesner with the wrestling capability Lesner has. If Overreem gets his shots off first, Lesner is going down hard.
#15

zombie_babies

Dec 13, 2011 11:47:40
Yeah, it's good Nogueira can still fight, but he should really be retiring. The guy's body has taken a lot of abuse. He had surgery to fix problems with his hips, and his knees. He's been in a lot of fights. That breaks down your body. I don't care how determined you are, eventually your body just gives up. He needs to get out before someone krane kicks him into retirement and knocks out a tooth in the process. At this point he should be opening up a gym and getting a training team together and training younger fighters and managing them. All that glory stuff is useless when your arm is snapped like a twig.



Yeah, he's taken a beating over the years.  Thing is, it's not like the division is stacked or anything.  There's still scrubs out there he can beat.  That'll make it a much more difficult decision.

Yeah, we totally called it. I think we're going to have to make a youtube channel: Zombie and squirrel. We'll predict fights. 
I think if the old cocky Rashad shows up, he'll have a better fight. He's more likely to stay lose and move around. When he does the GSP thing, Rashad gets a bit stiff and doesn't have good in and out movement. That'll cot him with Jones. When Rashad fought Rampage, he didn't do too good. He was cautious. He won the fight because he was more active, but tat was about it. Rampage didn't take any real damage in that fight. Still, I think you're right. Jones will win the fight. After beating Machida, he's shown he can handle someone with the ability to move and counter strike.Machida is the best and moving in and out and counter striking. When I watched the first round between Jones and Machida, I was slightl worried. I though Machida would be able rto out-point Jones. And face it, Rashad is good at moving in and out and counter striking, but Machida is way better.If MAchida got handled like that, Rashad doesn't have much hope. Rashad may be better served by trying to take Jones down. Supposedly Rashad wasable to take Jones down at will in practice. Let's see how well he does in a real fight.



Yeah, that's about it.  Rashad is better when he fights instead of trying to point win.  Machida was the ultimate point winner (with finish ability) and Jones had no trouble once he decided to go for it so Evans has no hope.  And I don't believe that Evans was able to take Jones down at will, either.  Even if it's true, it's not like Jones hasn't evolved.

I think thta fight will be a 1 rounder. If Lesner takles Overreem, Lesnar wins. Overeem doesn't have much of a ground game... at least not enough to get out from under a beast the size of Lesner with the wrestling capability Lesner has. If Overreem gets his shots off first, Lesner is going down hard.



Yup.  I have to say I favor Overeem in this one.  Not only does he have the power, he has the experience.  I think he'll be better able to deal with Lesnar's TDs than Lesnar will be able to deal with his striking.