...that is all.
Booya!
My team is the Rams. I feel your pain, metal.
True the Rams are bad, but at least they've had some good seasons and a Super Bowl victory in recent memory. I have yet to witness a Cleveland championship of any kind in my lifetime.
Go Panthers.
...that is all.
Helluva finish to that game today.
....Not that it helps them, but still.
I am currently watching my Browns get ripped apart by the Cowboys. This defense is so bad.
We knew it would happen. Browns defense = no skill and no depth. And that makes for a bad day when you play an elite team. And, well, pretty much any team. Hopefully they can shape up a bit for the Steelers next week, but with the beat-down they put on Houston (though admittedly worse than the Brownies) I hold little hope. Oh well, we can always say ... Go Buckeyes! :D
My team is the Rams. I feel your pain, metal.
Not as keenly as this guy;
Go Chiefs!
....Not that it helps them, but still.
I was raised a Chiefs fan, I know how that feels. Mother of all inferiority complexes, that.
For the first 13 years of my life, I thought all scores in football were multiples of three. Schotenheimer loved him some field goals.
I kinda like the Chiefs, but I really follow college ball more. Go Huskers!
I actually went to Nebraska. I now hate college football.
The combination of the players getting away with everything short of murder (one guy assaulted a parking attendant because he had the gall to put a ticket on an illegally parked car), their general douchebaggery around campus (it isn't a party until Thunder Collins has thrown a keg at a car) and going to school with thousands of people who had never even strapped on a pair of pads yet believed that the fact they paid tuition to UNL made them experts at the game of football all just really turned me off from the game.
I also have a bit of an independent streak, so seeing tens of thousands of people wearing red and getting wasted while chanting corn-related battle-cries made me want to do exactly the opposite.
Go Panthers.
...that is all.
Your from NC?
I'm personally not very interested in sports but I guess if I would be rooting for them.
Not as keenly as this guy;
I was raised a Chiefs fan, I know how that feels. Mother of all inferiority complexes, that.
For the first 13 years of my life, I thought all scores in football were multiples of three. Schotenheimer loved him some field goals.
Heh. I hear you.
And as for college ball...
Boomer! Sooners!
I also have a bit of an independent streak, so seeing tens of thousands of people wearing red and getting wasted while chanting corn-related battle-cries made me want to do exactly the opposite.
Wear purple and chant eggplant-related battle cries? :evillaugh
The real excitement is in college ball:
"We Are" ... "Penn State"
"Husker" ... "Power"
My upbringing strongly conflicts with my college experience...
I have walked around both campuses (before the game, not after) wearing a blue paw on one cheek and a red N on the other and was only mildly worried about being jumped.
Go Deacs!
We were at the Ole Miss game, but we got cried out* in the second Q. So I missed what will go down in history as the best 4th Q at BB and T field to date.**
*As in our kids had had quite enough football thanks, and didn't want to hang around anymore.
**This was the first game at BB & T field, but it was still an awesome game.
GO 'NINERS!
That is all.
College: Longhorns
Hook 'em horns
So I shall now utter the only cry a man from Cleveland can in today's world: GO CLIFF LEE!! (Baseball, I know. And yes, the Tribe sux this year. But Cliff's gonna win the Cy Young and that's about all we've got to look forward to. So there.)
Hell yeah, Lee's been an absolute beast this year. Glad to see another Cleveland fan here!
As far as Browns go; the thing that is so frustrating about it is that the d-line was supposed to be so improved with Rogers and Williams. But Dallas's O-line just absolutley manhandled them. Romo had all day. On one play, he had 12 seconds. I counted. Unfortunatley for me, though, the Buckeyes do nthing for me. I am not a fan of college football.
Ow. Season-ending injury for a star quarterback in week 1. I feel very, very sorry for the Patriots.
Hmmm, allow me to interject what every other person who is not a Patriot's fan thinks about this...
RIGHT ON!
:evillaugh That dude was just too big a threat...
Hmmm, allow me to interject what every other person who is not a Patriot's fan thinks about this...
RIGHT ON!
That dude was just too big a threat...
Like it will hurt the Patriots. They have the weakest schedule.
Like it will hurt the Patriots. They have the weakest schedule.
Tell me about it. I haven't seen a schedule that cushy since Kindergarten.
Morning: Play
Lunch
Afternoon: Sleep
Oh well. The only thing left to be determined is whether or not Matt Cassel, a guy who was drafted by the New England Patriots in the seventh round (230th overall) of the 2005 NFL Draft can step up and lead this team to where it should be.
Although, when Bledsoe went out injured, a little known backup who was drafted by the New England Patriots in the sixth round (199th overall) of the 2000 NFL Draft did just that.
Can lightning strike twice?
That dude was just too big a threat...
He wasn't that big a threat in the last Super Bowl.
It's Bellicheck that needs to put down.
College = GO LONGHORNS! :D
Pittsburgh Steelers are my team.
GO STEELERS!!!!!!
hmmm, now if only I had a beer to chug right now;)
hmmm, now if only I had a beer to chug right now;)
Keep a beer fridge by the computer. Trust me, it's awesome.
Hell yeah, Lee's been an absolute beast this year. Glad to see another Cleveland fan here!
As far as Browns go; the thing that is so frustrating about it is that the d-line was supposed to be so improved with Rogers and Williams. But Dallas's O-line just absolutley manhandled them. Romo had all day. On one play, he had 12 seconds. I counted. Unfortunatley for me, though, the Buckeyes do nthing for me. I am not a fan of college football.
The d-line got a little better. And a little better than nearly the worst in the league last year just ain't enough. Plus they have no depth so as games wear on, if the O is unable to put up a crapton of points, they will give up more and more as they wear down. Couple that with the tougher schedule and you can bet they won't have nearly as much prime-time exposure next year. What happened Sunday (and will, most likely, happen this coming Sunday) was an OK team playing an elite team. Sure the Browns can hang with a fair amount of the league, but they ain't "there" yet. Oh well, at least Cleveland's got Lee. And LeBron for another year or so. :D
College ball is, IMO, more fun to watch than the NFL. And you get to track players from college to the NFL. Watchin' the Pack win last night (my fav NFC team since before Favre) was extra cool because AJ Hawk, a LB standout for the Buckeyes, plays for them. Hopefully the Buckeyes will win Sat at USC. The way they looked last week, though, leaves me doubting. Still ...
Go Buckeyes! OH -IO!
Go Tribe! (well, go Lee, anyway ;))
Go Browns! (yes, I may be delusional)
Go Pack!
College = Go WARRIORS (or Go 'Bows, take your pick)
Pro = Go Redskin (because of Colt Brennan) or Go Jets (because of Favre)
Sometimes it's good not to have a home-based professional football team.
Keep a beer fridge by the computer. Trust me, it's awesome.
Yes I wanted to get a mini fridge. Now I have a use for it. Thank you:D
49ers kicked Sea Hawk rear end. Ya! (god the game was horrible)
OU won solidly.
KC Chiefs did what they normally do these days: lose.
On the college scene, I'm waiting for the season to end so they will fire the coach from the 'Cuse. At least the basketball team usually does well. Until then, I'm rooting for the Fightin' Irish.
oh well...
GO 'NINERS!
But you certainly may. Go Pack! My lone bright spot in sports fandom. Well, the Pack and Cliff Lee. But Lee plays on a loser.
Oh well. The only thing left to be determined is whether or not Matt Cassel, a guy who was drafted by the New England Patriots in the seventh round (230th overall) of the 2005 NFL Draft can step up and lead this team to where it should be.
Although, when Bledsoe went out injured, a little known backup who was drafted by the New England Patriots in the sixth round (199th overall) of the 2000 NFL Draft did just that.
Can lightning strike twice?
And now all the analysts are saying that it very well could strike twice. Those lucky Patriot buggers. I'm just glad I called this one.
Rassin' frassin' lucky buggers.
In particular, Kansas State Wildcat Football, KC Chiefs Football, and anybody playing the Jaysquawks or Raiders.
I'm really excited for the game against Louisville tomorrow.
CAN I HEAR A HOLLA FOR THE PACKERS?
*a bird tweets in the deafening silence*
*a tumbleweed bounces by*
I don't really watch too much college ball, but I do love my NFL. Probably my favorite week is Week 6. By then, most of the teams have their quirks ironed out, and players and coaches are all settled in.
I don't really watch too much college ball, but I do love my NFL. Probably my favorite week is Week 6. By then, most of the teams have their quirks ironed out, and players and coaches are all settled in.
I love the NFL because I don't have a home team to root for, so I can change my team favorite every season.
Besides, it's hard to start up a Hawaii professional football team when air fuel price is sky high to make frequent mainland trips (whereas you guys have hybrid buses and those safe Amtraks).
I love the NFL because I don't have a home team to root for, so I can change my team favorite every season.
Besides, it's hard to start up a Hawaii professional football team when air fuel price is sky high to make frequent mainland trips (whereas you guys have hybrid buses and those safe Amtraks).
The way that a team is supposed to be picked is the one that is closest to your home town is "your" team. I a couple of teams are about the same distance than you can pick between the 2 or 3 nearest.
I live in Sacramento County in California so the Oakland Raiders and the SF 49ers are the 2 nearest teams (both are in the bay area). I have decided to be a San Fransisco 49er fan. Ranger REG, your profile says that you live in Hawai'i, USA which means that if you wanted to be a "true" football fan then you would pick from the Chargers, Raiders, 49ers, and maybe the Cardinals (I believe these are the teams closest to Hawaii.
Of course you don't need to pick a team this way, it just tends to be the usual fashion.
I can't believe that the New England patriots lost to the Miami dolphins (38 - 13).
Ranger REG, your profile says that you live in Hawai'i, USA which means that if you wanted to be a "true" football fan then you would pick from the Chargers, Raiders, 49ers, and maybe the Cardinals (I believe these are the teams closest to Hawaii.
Of course you don't need to pick a team this way, it just tends to be the usual fashion.
Usual, but I don't follow the usual. :P
If I like any of the team above, it would probably be Chargers or Raiders ... but I have never picked them. In fact, my pattern of choosing NFL team favorites tends to lead Eastward, preferably away from the Pacific.
Browns are 0-3. Being a Cleveland sports fan is like being Charlie Brown. The teams are Lucy. They always do just enough to make us think that this time, the football will not be taken away. We're really going to kick it this time! Then, at the last minute... ARGHHHHHH! Every time.
Maybe that's why they're the Cleveland Browns.
Anyway, with me being a Rams fan, I offer comfort to a fan of another cellar dweller team.
Browns are 0-3. Being a Cleveland sports fan is like being Charlie Brown. The teams are Lucy. They always do just enough to make us think that this time, the football will not be taken away. We're really going to kick it this time! Then, at the last minute... ARGHHHHHH! Every time.
When I was a kid in Cleveland (mid 80's) when they had Kosar, they'd kick ass, good times all around, then bam...Denver would snub them. God, gut wrenching. And then "Big Art M." God, I still hate that guy. Got nothign against the Ravens, but that was a dick move if there ever was one...I still like them, the Bucks, Red, Indians, doin' the home terf thing, but like every other guy that's gettin' old..."ah, back in the day..."
But hey man, don't even feel bad...
I live in Cincy now
and I still can't abide the Bengals. Gold plated egos like Chad Johnson ("I could beat Phelps!"), filthy hood rat animals like Chris Henry (recently brought back into the fold after like his 3rd violent crime and saying HE'D NEVER PLAY AGAIN FOR US)...just sad. Good stuff here to be sure, it's just we haven't had good sports since the Red in the Series (what, like '90?) and the Bengals ('88/'89?)...that's a long time.
- Ohio State wins, but ugly. Check
- Cleveland Browns back to suckitude. Officially. Check
- The Packers were forced back to Earth. Check
Why do I watch this crap, again?
Why do I watch this crap, again?
It's a rhetorical question, right? :P
Dang, the 49ers lost. :raincloud <puts fist in air>
Damn you SAINTS!
:evillaugh
I don't follow the usual.
Finally, a freaking win.
Yep. An ugly one, too! Yay! :P Stupid Packers lost. Dammit. Oh well, at least OSU looked semi-competent beating the Gophers. Wonder if they'll remember that they're allowed to throw the funny lookin' ball, too. Though, if you're gonna run for 330+ yards/game, who needs to throw it? :D
6-0
Pittsburgh Steelers are my team.
GO STEELERS!!!!!!
hmmm, now if only I had a beer to chug right now;)
Amen... The Steelers rock.
The Brownies play the Giants tonight. Monday night football, baby! Too bad the Giants hung about 44 points on their last opponent. And the Brownies? Well, they've managed to score 46 points. This season. Bring the sheets, folks, this one's gonna be a bloodbath! :D
If this team can go 8-8 given their current talent I will be happy. But I don't expect them to do so.
Thanks!
TheSeventhStooge...
The Buckeyes won. Ugly. Wonder where that offensive line went. ;)
They probably went home to train for the game in two weeks.
They are that scared of Penn State because everyone knows they are going to take the BCS this year! :P
They probably went home to train for the game in two weeks.
They are that scared of Penn State because everyone knows they are going to take the BCS this year! :P
I hope so! Takin' on Penn State is not going to be an easy task, that's for sure. They'll need all the help they can get. Unless Michigan can upset 'em. ;)
When' the last time Penn State won at the "Shoe again? :D
I have a feeling that the Browns are going to get slaughtered tonight.
I agree, but, for me, its a warm and fuzzy feeling... AFC North compitition... yeah...
*Fun fact; Big Ben hasn't lost a game in Ohio since before college.*
**Another fun fact; This is the only fact about college football I care about... well, this and the fact that #43 came from USC**
...I can't believe I did that...
)**Aside: Troy Polamalu was no Bruin. He was a Trojan (USC). ;)
I hope so! Takin' on Penn State is not going to be an easy task, that's for sure. They'll need all the help they can get. Unless Michigan can upset 'em. ;)
When' the last time Penn State won at the "Shoe again? :D
You are right, it would be nice if Michigan State beat Ohio. ;)
A long time ago? But that is why it will be so fun when they win. Breaking streaks is always more fun than just winning.
You are right, it would be nice if Michigan State beat Ohio. ;)
A long time ago? But that is why it will be so fun when they win. Breaking streaks is always more fun than just winning.
:P
I guess we'll see on the 25th then!
It's a dangerous game for Penn, though. With all the OSU hate in the polls, a loss would probably be disasterous. Unless it's just OSU hate. ;) And Penn hasn't played anyone yet. Wisconsin? Sure, they rolled into Camp Randall and dominated. After Michigan beat 'em and OSU beat 'em. The thing is, Penn got a bump in the rankings after they beat the unranked Badgers. OSU? Nah, they were expected to win (so somehow, by that logic, Penn wasn't?).
It does raise an interesting question, though. If Penn loses, what will happen? Is the opinion of OSU so bad that it would cause them to plummett? Or is it so low that we'll see another example of "OSU is the elite of the Big Ten and really was supposed to win" stuff? It's possible that Penn could actually stay higher in the polls than OSU if they lose that game with the way the country sees the Buckeyes now. Sad, but true.
(Hopefully no OSU fans will see this, but I have my doubts about them actually beating the Lions. Penn is no joke. And OSU is still trying to find themselves. Bad, bad combo. 'Course they need to get past Javon Ringer and the Spartans first. And then find a way to contain Juice and the Illini after the Lions. Big Ten champs? Maybe. But it won't be easy. Or pretty.)
:P
I guess we'll see on the 25th then!
It's a dangerous game for Penn, though. With all the OSU hate in the polls, a loss would probably be disasterous. Unless it's just OSU hate. ;) And Penn hasn't played anyone yet. Wisconsin? Sure, they rolled into Camp Randall and dominated. After Michigan beat 'em and OSU beat 'em. The thing is, Penn got a bump in the rankings after they beat the unranked Badgers. OSU? Nah, they were expected to win (so somehow, by that logic, Penn wasn't?).
It does raise an interesting question, though. If Penn loses, what will happen? Is the opinion of OSU so bad that it would cause them to plummett? Or is it so low that we'll see another example of "OSU is the elite of the Big Ten and really was supposed to win" stuff? It's possible that Penn could actually stay higher in the polls than OSU if they lose that game with the way the country sees the Buckeyes now. Sad, but true.
(Hopefully no OSU fans will see this, but I have my doubts about them actually beating the Lions. Penn is no joke. And OSU is still trying to find themselves. Bad, bad combo. 'Course they need to get past Javon Ringer and the Spartans first. And then find a way to contain Juice and the Illini after the Lions. Big Ten champs? Maybe. But it won't be easy. Or pretty.)
...Penn football is a joke. ...Penn State football is not.
I wasn't aware that OSU bothered playing ivy league teams :P
I don't know what will happen if OSU beats Penn State. It is starting to turn into one of those years where in any given week a sizeable percentage of the top ten teams lose. When that happens the rankings often get wonky. Realistically, one loss will probably be overlooked in the big scheme although I sort of feel like losing to a really bad team (like Penn) would probably actually hurt Penn State less than losing to OSU.
...Penn football is a joke. ...Penn State football is not.
I wasn't aware that OSU bothered playing ivy league teams :P
Meh, nothing with "Penn" in it warrants much of my attention. ;) :P
I don't know what will happen if OSU beats Penn State. It is starting to turn into one of those years where in any given week a sizeable percentage of the top ten teams lose. When that happens the rankings often get wonky. Realistically, one loss will probably be overlooked in the big scheme although I sort of feel like losing to a really bad team (like Penn) would probably actually hurt Penn State less than losing to OSU.
Yep. Where's the damned playoff, ya' know? After losing so badly to Florida, LSU and now USC, a loss to OSU very well could be a death sentence. And I would not be surprised at all if - were OSU to win that game Oct 25th - they'd still be ranked 12th when it's all sorted out the next week. No love. :D
Fun Fact: Early BCS projections showed a rematch of OSU and USC in the Rose Bowl. I'm sure tens of people would turn in to watch that one. ;)
Holy crap! Attention football fans! The Browns actually won! They defeated the Super Bowl champs - riding an 11 (12 if you count the 'Bowl's neutral location) away game win streak in dominating fashion! 35-14 Browns! Three interceptions, over 450 yards of "O". They did not punt the ball one time or turn it over. Shocking. First Mon night win for the Brownies in 15 years. Let's hope the rest if the season is more of the same! (I doubt it, though.
**Aside: Troy Polamalu was no Bruin. He was a Trojan (USC). ;)
I knew the game would get ugly. I just didn't expect that the Giants would be on the ugly side .
I knew the game would get ugly. I just didn't expect that the Giants would be on the ugly side .
Yeah, that didn't turn out like I thought it would... guess that just goes to show this years football is still in the air.
I mean, honestly, who would have thought the Titans would be the only undefeated team in week 6?
38-10 spanking on the Bengles...
Just wanted to say THE STEELERS ROCK!!!
38-10 spanking on the Bengles...
... crickets chirping...
Nobody cares :P It's the boring kind of football ;)
In important news, Penn State had no trouble with Michigan. Get Ready OSU!
In important news, Penn State had no trouble with Michigan. Get Ready OSU!
Looks like Penn State should be gettin' ready as well. OSU found an offense to go with it's Defense. Ut ohs Ninny Lions! :P
Just wanted to say THE STEELERS ROCK!!!
38-10 spanking on the Bengles...
WOOHOO!!!!
... crickets chirping...
Nobody cares :P It's the boring kind of football ;)
In important news, Penn State had no trouble with Michigan. Get Ready OSU!
Wrong!
Looks like Penn State should be gettin' ready as well. OSU found an offense to go with it's Defense. Ut ohs Ninny Lions! :P
Any last minute trash talking?
'Cause you know you won't get to after the game ;)
Boomer Sooners!
Stupid Steelers!
Any last minute trash talking?
'Cause you know you won't get to after the game ;)
Dammit. Alright, I'll be big about it. I was wrong. You were right. Now let's hope the Lions win out and make it to the Championship game. Then OSU (if they win out, too) will get the Rose Bowl. :P We can agree on that much, no? ;)
OK, which Browns are the real Browns?
The bad ones. Wait and see! :D
Dammit. Alright, I'll be big about it. I was wrong. You were right. Now let's hope the Lions win out and make it to the Championship game. Then OSU (if they win out, too) will get the Rose Bowl. :P We can agree on that much, no? ;)
Absolutely!
But Penn State winning out isn't a guarantee of a slot in the national championship game.
JoePa has been here before... 6 perfect regular seasons and only one berth in the championship game
Absolutely!
But Penn State winning out isn't a guarantee of a slot in the national championship game.
JoePa has been here before... 6 perfect regular seasons and only one berth in the championship game
Yeah, the BCS is screwy as hell. Even if PSU gets the bid, it's not a guarantee that OSU would get the Rose. That's the way it's gone down the past two years, but there's a ton of OSU hate out there and - if USC is the PAC10 rep - I can't see anyone wanting to see that game. Since it's all about the money, it doesn't look good. ;)
Oh well. Here's to your Lions. May they restore some of the Big 10's lost prestige!
Yeah, the BCS is screwy as hell. Even if PSU gets the bid, it's not a guarantee that OSU would get the Rose. That's the way it's gone down the past two years, but there's a ton of OSU hate out there and - if USC is the PAC10 rep - I can't see anyone wanting to see that game. Since it's all about the money, it doesn't look good. ;)
Oh well. Here's to your Lions. May they restore some of the Big 10's lost prestige!
Unfortunately it isn't all up to the Lions. If the rest of the Big10 picked up it's game and started being ranked that would help the Lions get to the big game :P
Well, that and Alabama and Texas should both work on losing a game.
I can't believe I am actually going to say this but... go Texas Tech!
Unfortunately it isn't all up to the Lions. If the rest of the Big10 picked up it's game and started being ranked that would help the Lions get to the big game :P
Well, that and Alabama and Texas should both work on losing a game.
I can't believe I am actually going to say this but... go Texas Tech!
Well there were some teams ranked in the Big10. 'Till OSU beat 'em up. Wisconsin and Michigan State, IIRC, were ranked until they lost to the Bucks. Minnesota and MSU are both currently ranked, too. Just not very high. :P If PSU loses whatever BCS bowl they're destined to get, it will be bad for the Big10. Really bad. So I'm pullin' for 'em, but I don't know how they'll fare. Hopefully better than OSU.
Well, that and Alabama and Texas should both work on losing a game.
I can't believe I am actually going to say this but... go Texas Tech!
Texas Tech seems to be one of the few teams that the longhorns always have a bit of trouble with.
I do think that the longhorns will be smash Texas Tech.
@ Zombie_Babies: I don't see whats wrong with the BCS, it has the longhorns at number 1. :P
@ Zombie_Babies: I don't see whats wrong with the BCS, it has the longhorns at number 1. :P
The BCS was fine for the last two years. Now, all of a sudden, I don't like it anymore! :D
Seriously, though, bring on the playoff! That would make NCAA ball even more exciting. Who wouldn't want that? Besides the many, many bowls that would be cancelled and all the schools not making any money from bowl games that got cancelled, that is ... ;)
Well, that and Alabama and Texas should both work on losing a game.
I can't believe I am actually going to say this but... go Texas Tech!
Dang it Kistra, why did you have to say such things.
Now look at what you did. 
Dang it Kistra, why did you have to say such things.
It didn't work out quite the way I had hoped. :P
But I have a lot more confidence that Tech can find a way to lose sometime during the rest of the season rather than the longhorns.
Three things make me feel better about last weeks drubbing at the hands of Florida:
1. We were short 5 defensive starterslast week! uggh! Not good against an offense like Florida's. We also have two offensive starters out for the year, and might have had more out for that game. The SEC is tough.
2. Florida drubbed Georgia this week!
3. We came through and beat Mississippi State this week! It look's like three bowls in a row.
Maybe we can finally get past letting Bear Bryant go a long time ago!
CAN I HEAR A HOLLA FOR THE PACKERS?
GO PACKERS!
Oh, wait a sec ... GO PACK!!! :D
Go UK Wildcats! Wahoo!!
Three things make me feel better about last weeks drubbing at the hands of Florida:
1. We were short 5 defensive starterslast week! uggh! Not good against an offense like Florida's. We also have two offensive starters out for the year, and might have had more out for that game. The SEC is tough.
2. Florida drubbed Georgia this week!
3. We came through and beat Mississippi State this week! It look's like three bowls in a row.
Maybe we can finally get past letting Bear Bryant go a long time ago!
I've been to a UK baseball game. Does that count? I still think they stole their colors from Penn State and just messed up the blue a little bit ;)
Now Kyle Orton is out as their QB and Grossman is back in. If I am an opposing coach, I would key on Matt Forte on 80% of the plays and dare Rex to beat me.
This could be a very rough next four weeks as a Bears fan. I better enjoy this while I can.
TheSeventhStooge...
edit- That TD they just gave up to Lynch was absolutely retarded. I had to rewind the DVR because I just couldn't believe what my eyes just told me.
Oh, almost forgot. The D needs to do some cardio. For reals.
Also the longhorns are #2 in the BCS standings.
Also the longhorns are #2 in the BCS standings.
Not any more. Gotta love that BCS. It sure makes a crapton more money than a playoff system. Oh wait, I meant that it makes more sense - not money. ;)
Why is it that teams that the longhorns beat always get bumped up to a position above the longhorns? Does a wins and loses even matter? All I think what matters is what school you are. The only way the longhorns don't get knocked down is when they are undefeated.
SOONER!
:D :D :P
I hate ARZ. They needed to lose today and loose the rest of the season so that the 49ers could win the rest of the season to make the playoffs.
Football? What the hell is football? I'm from Cleveland so I really have no idea what the hell you're talkin' 'bout. Basketball though, we gots us some o' dat! ;)
You know what's crazy? The Cavs are 21-4 and have only the third best record in the NBA.
You know what's crazy? The Cavs are 21-4 and have only the third best record in the NBA.
Yeah. It always works that way. When a Cleveland team is actually really friggin' good, some other team also "comes up" and is inevitibly better.
Do the Cavs still lead the league in Points For and Points Against? I thought that was fairly impressive. Nothin' like the best "D" and "O". :D
Can the Lions finish the job, or will they choke and win the final game?
They better finish it! The Pack's had a tough enough season. If they become the sole team to lose to the Kittens, I think my brain may explode. Actually, if the Pack does lose to the Kittens, I hope my brain does explode. Cuz then I won't have to deal with it. :P
EDIT: GO CAVS! If they keep it up, LeBron says he might stay!
GO CAVS! If they keep it up, LeBron says he might stay!
I don't know if you saw it or not, but the other day, there was an article in the "Akron Beacon Journal" in which he was quoted as saying he would consider signing an extension after the season. Doesn't mean that he will, but it would be sweet.
I don't know if you saw it or not, but the other day, there was an article in the "Akron Beacon Journal" in which he was quoted as saying he would consider signing an extension after the season. Doesn't mean that he will, but it would be sweet.
Yeah, that's where I got the "hope" from. :D Honestly, if they continue to play the way they have been and Ferry continues to show he's willing to do whatever it takes to keep LeBron and - ultimately - win a championship (or more), why would he leave? I hope he sticks around long enough to win one. One championship and I'd not care if he left. Because if he could do that, he'd have done more than any other Cleveland team athlete ever has. A dynasty would be cool, but one would make me happy enough to wish him well in whatever city he'd play in next.
I am looking forward to watching the Jets and Dolphins play this weekend. :D
One championship and I'd not care if he left.
Funny you say that because that has often been my exact feeling on the matter.
Funny you say that because that has often been my exact feeling on the matter.
The guy's a friggin' superstar. Cleveland ain't much of a superstar city so I feel one and done is just fine. Let him - if he can give us that - reward himself however he sees fit. Hopefully he'll be able to get it done. Cleveland deserves a winner. And LJ deserves a championship.
NINERS RULE.
And they are out of the playoffs?! YEAH!
The only problem is my team is out so I am wondering who I want to cheer on to victory.
Any ideas out there?
I am thinking maybe, the Dolphins. ;)
It was poetic, huh?
Still wondering who to root for, maybe I will just pick everyone underdog.
Or maybe I will just go by cute quarterbacks. :D
Minja cheer for the Panthers.
Umm ... Go Cavs! :D
The University of Kentucky Wildcats
are the Liberty Bowl
Champions!
Edit: n.m. Utah 28, Bama 17. So much for the Tide's defensive reputation. Can't even stop a gimmicky Mountain West spread offense.
I believe you're forgetting about the Allstate Sugar Bowl. Seriously though, Utah 21, Alabama 17 right now. I hope the Utes can finish this.
Edit: n.m. Utah 28, Bama 17. So much for the Tide's defensive reputation. Can't even stop a gimmicky Mountain West spread offense.
They couldn't stop Florida either even with the gators missing Percy Harvin. Where do you think the Utes learned their offense? (I'll give a hint, who coached them to an undefeated season and Fiesta Bowl Victory in 2004?)
They couldn't stop Florida either even with the gators missing Percy Harvin. Where do you think the Utes learned their offense? (I'll give a hint, who coached them to an undefeated season and Fiesta Bowl Victory in 2004?)
Yeah, I know, Urban Meyer coached them in 2004 before taking the Florida job. The mention of a "gimmick" offense was sarcastic.
Yeah, I know, Urban Meyer coached them in 2004 before taking the Florida job. The mention of a "gimmick" offense was sarcastic.
I thought so, I was just pointing out that Bama's defense wasn't nearly as vaunted as some other SEC defenses, and that the Ute offense appears to be tailor made to defeat it like Florida's is.
Nick Saban is a slimeball.
That may be so, but he is a heck of a college football coach.
In the early NFC Wildcard game I am going to root for The Falcons.
In the later AFC Wildcard game I am torn, I really dislike both of these teams, but I think I dislike the Chargers more. So I guess I am going to root for the Colts. Ugh, I can't believe I said it.
There we have it, Minja's saturday picks, Falcons and Colts. :D
Miss Smarty Pants to the Rescue!
Atlanta, because Arizona sucks major sausage.
Indianapolis, they have finished the season strong and they look like they are going to make a strong charge for the super bowl.
For sunday I choose:
Miami, I would like to see the dolphins get close to winning the super bowl. especially after last season.
Philadelphia, because purple is a horrible color for a professional football team.
Philadelphia, because purple is a horrible color for a professional football team.
I happen to like purple, I think I will have to root for them, against you. ;)
I haven't decided yet for tomorrow, but I do like Pennington, The Jets are such a silly franchise.
I happen to like purple, I think I will have to root for them, against you. ;)
I don't have anything against purple. I just think that it is a very feminine color, probably more so than pink, and thus should not be used by a foot ball team (especially as a main color).
I don't have anything against purple. I just think that it is a very feminine color, probably more so than pink, and thus should not be used by a foot ball team (especially as a main color).
Girls watch football too, you know...
Do they?
Do they watch football or the men playing? ;)or the men playing? ;)
Is that why you watch?
BTW, Matt Ryan is going to be an AMAZING quarterback... he is really good.
Falcons up by 3 at the half.
Well, I didn't have my heart set on it, but I was hoping. Not a big fan of the Cardinals. They gave up when playing the Patriots a few weeks ago. It was embarrassing. I also really can't decide in this Colts match up. I would like to see them both lose, and lose bad.
to be honest, I'm personally not a pro fan at all. Not enough passion for the game to suit me. That is why I prefer college football. To each his (in the generic form,
) own, I suppose.I don't have anything against purple. I just think that it is a very feminine color, probably more so than pink, and thus should not be used by a foot ball team (especially as a main color).
You know what's purple? Bruises. Seems pretty manly to me.
Edit: How about Darren Sproles? Former Wildcat has some wheels. I don't think he could be an every-down back for a whole season, but he can be a difference maker.
It looks like my saturday picks were wrong so my sunday are likely also wrong. It looks like miami and phily will lose after all. yay me and my awesome ability to pick games.
purple is not the color of bruises. Black and blue is. ;)
You know, I've never actually seen a bruise that was either black or blue. I've seen them turn that disgusting yellow color while they're healing, but never black, blue, or any combination thereof.
In any case, I'm satisfied with the playoffs if for no other reason than the Pats, Broncos, and Raiders all missed the playoffs. I know it's too much to hope for the Chiefs to ever make it to the playoffs again.
As far as I'm concerned the playoffs don't matter and aren't interesting because the niners didn't make it.
Edit: How about Darren Sproles? Former Wildcat has some wheels. I don't think he could be an every-down back for a whole season, but he can be a difference maker.
Yeah, right!? Isn't he awesome, that was a pretty impressive performance.
I enjoyed watching the Colts and Chargers game because I realized about halfway through I was going to be happy no matter who won the game because that meant the other one lost! :evillaugh
I hate both of those teams. Manning the MVP!?! PAH-LEESE!!!
Watching the Dolphins and the Ravens game, and I really don't care, but I think I will root for... hmm.... I don't really know. I think I will root for Baltimore. I like purple better than teal.
Most bruises I have seen are kind of a darkish purple, but I really wouldn't know, because normally I inflict them, and don't receive them. ;)
@ Hater: Sorry, but I am going to have to root against the Steelers when they play. Not a black and gold fan.
Most bruises I have seen are kind of a darkish purple, but I really wouldn't know, because normally I inflict them, and don't receive them. ;)
You brute! Help people my ass! I new your kindness was just a lie.
@ Hater: Sorry, but I am going to have to root against the Steelers when they play. Not a black and gold fan.
Are you are red and gold fan?
Are you are red and gold fan?
49ers? Not particularly a fan but I don't hate them. My dad talks about Singletary being one of the best linebackers in the league, back in the day, and I think he'll make a good coach. Mooning the team? Now that is motivation.
If they ever make it to the playoffs again, I may root for them, as long as they aren't playing one of my teams. :D
Oh yeah, and the Ravens won. Yeah.
. The dolphins just kept giving the ravens the ball and asking for them to shuv it right down their throats.root for purple again, GO VIKINGS!
Everyone in the room is looking at me strange cause I am posting this on the Internet. They think I am weird. Oh well.
Then it comes to the NFL on FOX here in the afternoon and it is time for me to root for a team again. Most of my friends seem to be Philly fans, so I guess I will be controversial and....
root for purple again, GO VIKINGS!
Everyone in the room is looking at me strange cause I am posting this on the Internet. They think I am weird. Oh well.
You women and your purple teams.
(shakes fist in air)Nice interception for a touch down.
looks like one of my picks will be good. Win it all, really?!
Well, you have done better with your predictions than I have this weekend. So long as it isn't The Chargers, or The Steelers, then I think I will be okay with any of the remaining teams winning. :D
As you were running out there to left field to make this prediction, you didn't run too far and accidentally run into the wall out there and smack your head did you?
Maybe?
Win it all, really?!
I like to root for underdogs when my team isn't involved, so get off my back. :P
Well, you have done better with your predictions than I have this weekend. So long as it isn't The Chargers, or The Steelers, then I think I will be okay with any of the remaining teams winning. :D
I'm OK as long as it is not the Steelers, because the niners are going to be the first to have 6 superbowl victories under their belt.
I'm OK as long as it is not the Steelers, because the niners are going to be the first to have 6 superbowl victories under their belt.
Now I KNOW you smacked your head. :P
I like rooting for underdogs too.
Now I KNOW you smacked your head. :P
I like doing dogs too.
O rly?
Sorry, couldn't control myself. :D
I don't care who wins, just as long as there's TONS OF VIOLENCE!!! (I always laugh my ass off when 5 guys tackle that poor guy who has the ball. Overkill, innit?)
Now I KNOW you smacked your head. :P
I like rooting for underdogs too.
Now I'm going further out in left field and say niners, superbowl, next year. :D What can I say, I like Cinderella stories with sports.
Now I'm going further out in left field and say niners, superbowl, next year. :D What can I say, I like Cinderella stories with sports.
You didn't just hit your head you knocked yourself the
out and now you are dreaming. :D @ Baneofelves, dirty nasty tricks you hobbitsez play....
I'm a Jedi with some anger issues, not a hobbit!
You didn't just hit your head you knocked yourself the
@ Baneofelves, dirty nasty tricks and I love 'em! I play with myself all the time....
:D This is fun. I love taking things out of context.
...nasty hobbitsez.... :P
Lesse, this is the second grope you've endured now. :D
No one deserves the Raiders fan insult on this forum...
just like no one deserves the Detroit fan. :D
Now just everyone watch, my team coming into next week who should by all rights pwn face (Panthers go, go Panthers!) will get owned.
Since football's the only non car related sport I can watch, that leaves me with really one home team I pull for each year :D
And that Raiders thing was uncalled for, you ass. :P
I would rather be called a lions fan than a raiders fan, and the lions suck so bad they lost every game this season.
Sad, but all too true. Hell, I'm fine being known as a Browns fan. And the Browns' owner thinks hiring Mangini would be a good thing.
Calling someone a raiders fan is always uncalled for.
That's right. NOW PREPARE TO DIE!! *Ignites lightsaber*
Now just everyone watch, my team coming into next week who should by all rights pwn face (Panthers go, go Panthers!) will get owned.
I could root for the Panthers.
Go Panthers Go! However, Cpt_Micha, I just can't root for car sports. Ugh.
My grandfather loves NASCAR. Thank god my dad didn't and I wasn't subjected to that growing up. Football and baseball are much better.
I also do not consider billiards, darts, golf or bowling sports. Games, yes. Sports? NIMO.
I like to do Panthers.
However, Cpt_Micha, I just can't root for car sports. Ugh.
My grandfather loves NASCAR. Thank god my dad didn't and I weren't subjected to that growing up. Football and baseball are much better.
Fix'd. :P
I also do not consider billiards, darts, golf or bowling sports. Games, yes. Sports? NIMO.
Agree on all counts but bowling. I build up a sweat bowling.
I build up a sweat in my ass when eatin' spicy food. Sweat does not a sport make. ;) :P
This is fun!
Banging furries is fun!
Huh? :P
It helps, and I think is one of the differences between a game and a sport. ;)
It does help. I'll concede that. :D
Now, tell me to get off your damn lawn. :P
Old redneck. :P
Car. Sports. Hmm. That just looks ... silly. Driving is an exercise in endurance. Unless it's drag racing. And that's generally decided in the opening thousandth of a second. Sport? Car? Nah ... :P
I also do not consider billiards, darts, golf or bowling sports. Games, yes. Sports? NIMO.
Hey, you don't see basketball players crashing into a wall at 200 mph. Talk about athleticism.
Hey, you don't see basketball players crashing into a wall at 200 mph. Talk about athleticism.
So stupidity is also a prerequisite for a sport? Hmm. Interesting, so noted. :P
(In an unusually playful mood tonight :D )
So stupidity is also a prerequisite for a sport? Hmm. Interesting, so noted. :P
That's why you don't see nerds in sports. ;)
That's why you don't see nerds in sports. ;)
Ever watched a racquetball match?
Umm. I played racquetball once, but only once. Honestly, I swear.
Not a nerd?
Also, longhorns FTW
The sad thing is all the OSU fans (on ESPN boards) complaining about the bad roughing the passer call. Guys, McCoy completed the pass and got the first down anyway. It wasn't like it was going to be fourth down. If anything, the penalty gave the defense time to get set. You saw what happened when Texas was in the hurry up, right?
That's why you don't see nerds in sports. ;)
Then we should have more nerds in sports. :P
Because there are tons of stupid nerds out there.
Hey, you don't see basketball players crashing into a wall at 200 mph. Talk about athleticism.
Either athleticism or .... failure! :P
Well - and this is truly indicative of the state of Ohio sports - I'm just happy OSU didn't get dominated. I wonder how the rest of the Big 12 would fare against the Buckeyes. If that was the second best run defense in NCAA football, I'd hate to see any team with a lesser rating. At least there was some class displayed after the game, too. Colt called the Buckeyes the best defense he'd seen all year. They certainly played like it. For most of the game, anyway. ;)
GO STEELERS
Do we get to see if the Steelers continue to live up to their name and steal another Superbowl?
Do we get to see if the Steelers continue to live up to their name and steal another Superbowl?
Wont happen. Why? Because the eagles are going all the way. How do I know this? Last I checked the eagles was the national bird, which means that the eagles are a patriotic team, which means that they have what it takes to win.
Go eagles, put everyone to shame and barely scoot through with the win.
GO STEELERS!
Wow. Persistent much?
Basketball, otoh, we know about. :D
GO STEELERS!
STEELERS ALL THE WAY!!!!!
I have a feeling that OU will win tonight, and ESPN's talking heads will explode.
Titans over the Ravens. (Titans are good)
Panthers over the Cardinals (Cardinals suck, so it should be easy for the Panthers)
Eagles over the Giants (although I do think that the Giants will probably win)
Steelers over the Chargers (I will be rooting for the Chargers eventhough I don't think that they'll win)
EDIT: The Ravens may pose a problem for the Titans, too. The Titans sort of fell off a bit at the end and the Ravens D is awesome. But, then again, the Titans D is pretty good, too, and the Ravens kind of phone it in on O. If forced to pick, I'd go with the Titans as well. I'm still mad at 'em 'cause they screwed the Browns out of the playoffs last year (ok, it was mostly the Colt's fault) but I hate Modell and his ugly birds more. And Ray Lewis is a dirty stabber.
The only one I'd argue with is the Giants pick, but you argued it yourself. :D The rest shall come to pass.
The Giants lost to the Cowboys and the Cowboys lost to the Eagles (big). Also I have already said on this thread that I am rooting for the Eagles to win everything.
The Giants lost to the Cowboys and the Cowboys lost to the Eagles (big). Also I have already said on this thread that I am rooting for the Eagles to win everything.
Thinking that way rarely works out. There's more to it than simple win vs loss. Different teams match up against different teams differently - and that make a difference. The Cowboys are a collection of attitudes that have been randomly stuck together in the hopes they can miracle themselves to victory. Sometimes they can. Others, not so much. The Eagles are not very good. I guess we'll find out for sure soon enough, though. The Giants should beat them fairly easily. If they don't, I'll not be the only one surprised.
Thinking that way rarely works out. There's more to it than simple win vs loss. Different teams match up against different teams differently - and that make a difference. The Cowboys are a collection of attitudes that have been randomly stuck together in the hopes they can miracle themselves to victory. Sometimes they can. Others, not so much. The Eagles are not very good. I guess we'll find out for sure soon enough, though. The Giants should beat them fairly easily. If they don't, I'll not be the only one surprised.
I am sure the Giants are going to win but I have decided, after last weekend, that I am rooting for the Eagles. Plus, I wouldn't root for the Giants unless they were to be playing a team that was undefeated. I like rooting for underdogs.
I am sure the Giants are going to win but I have decided, after last weekend, that I am rooting for the Eagles. Plus, I wouldn't root for the Giants unless they were to be playing a team that was undefeated. I like rooting for underdogs.
I don't really like the Giants myself. Like NY really needs another championship team.
Underdogs are fun until you find yourself in a place where most of the teams you like are always underdogs or frequently lose to them. Ohio is not a great sports state. Except for the Cavs. Go Cavs! Beat down Boston! :DSteelers beat Chargers.
Steelers beat Ravens.
Steelers beat the NFC Champion.
Steelers are World Champions!
Fail.
Fail.
Fail.
...and...
Epic fail.
Go Panthers Go anybody but Steelers Fail.
Fail.
Fail.
...and...
Epic fail.
You like cat? Big cats?
You like cat? Big cats?
No, Cpt_Micha asked me to root for the Panthers, because I don't have a team left, so I have adopted them. All your Panthers belong to me. :D
Really, all I care about is watching the Steelers lose.
GO TEAMS
No, Cpt_Micha asked me to root for the Panthers, because I don't have a team left, so I have adopted them. All your Panthers belong to me. :D
Really, all I care about is watching the Steelers lose.
GO TEAMS
Who's your normal team?
Titans over the Ravens. (Titans are good)
I agree. Although I really don't care, I will be rooting for the Titans.
Panthers over the Cardinals [i](Cardinals suck, so it should be easy for the Panthers)/I]
I agree. I don't really care all that much in this one either, but cpt_micha has convinced me to root for his Panthers, so I will. :D
Eagles over the Giants (although I do think that the Giants will probably win)
I am rooting for the Eagles on this one.
Steelers over the Chargers (I will be rooting for the Chargers eventhough I don't think that they'll win)
Can they both lose? Horribly, like in a fit of rage and pain, as much as it pains me to say it, I am rooting for the Cha.... the Cha... ... the Chargers.
I can't believe I just said that.
Can they both lose? Horribly, like in a fit of rage and pain, as much as it pains me to say it, I am rooting for the Cha.... the Cha... ... the Chargers.
I can't believe I just said that.
You can hope that the winning team ends up with a lot of injuries.
You can hope that the winning team ends up with a lot of injuries.
Yeah, but I really don't want to wish injuries upon anyone.
Just losses. Lots and lots and lots of losses. :D
Yeah, but I really don't want to wish injuries upon anyone.
Just losses. Lots and lots and lots of losses. :D
It's sports. You can't have a kind heart.
.I guess it is a good thing I really don't care about these games. We will have to see what tomorrow brings. :whatsthis
did you have to let the Cardinals bend you over, pull out their dick, and ram it up your ass? God the Panthers like to suck it hard. I don't think I will ever root for the Panthers again.The Steelers can't win the super bowl until the 49ers win their sixth. The 49ers have to be the first to six. I think its a lay or something. :P
Go Eagles Go.
0 for 2 on saturday. Looks like the underdogs won saturday so lest hope the underdogs win sunday.
Well there is still next week.
Go Ravens
Now we got to wait for next weekend when the steelers lose.
Again My only correct pick was the amazingly awesome kick butt team the Eagles. They are going to be unstoppable with their charge to the superbowl.
Oh, almost forgot. The Cavs absolutely pwnt the Celtics. It was friggin' be-a-utiful! Go Cavs! You're all Ohio's got! :D
****ing Panthers... I hate them.. HOW... They need to ditch Delhomme... that man can't handle real pressure to save his life.
I trusted you Cpt_Micha. I put my faith in your hands, and I rooted for your team. I sat on the edge of my couch and cheered, only to watch them fail. My faith, well... to be honest.... it waivers.....
... :P It wasn't nearly as bad as the Chargers loss though. That was just horrifying.
Lets just say..... GO RAVENS!!!
I trusted you Cpt_Micha. I put my faith in your hands, and I rooted for your team. I sat on the edge of my couch and cheered, only to watch them fail. My faith, well... to be honest.... it waivers.....
It wasn't nearly as bad as the Chargers loss though. That was just horrifying.
Lets just say..... GO RAVENS!!!
Hoe about you go along with me and cheer for the Eagles? They won their first two games, which are the only two games I predicted correctly.
Hoe about you go along with me and cheer for the Eagles? They won their first two games, which are the only two games I predicted correctly.
Sure. Go Eagles! Beat the bad guys. Go Ravens! Beat the even more bad guys...! :D
Go Ravens! Beat the even more bad guys...! :D
I feel like I have to pick between Stalin and Mussolini.
I feel like I have to pick between Stalin and Mussolini.
Yeah... right?! No kidding. Rooting for the Steelers makes it all feel dirty.
I just read Tony Dungy is retiring. That's too bad. Here was a successful pro football coach who didn't lose sight of the fact that it is just a game.
That is sad. I always liked him (when I actually heard of him in the news) due to his good coaching, great attitude, and powerful life/faith testimony. I suppose he's earned it, though.
I trusted you Cpt_Micha. I put my faith in your hands, and I rooted for your team. I sat on the edge of my couch and cheered, only to watch them fail. My faith, well... to be honest.... it waivers.....
It wasn't nearly as bad as the Chargers loss though. That was just horrifying.
Lets just say..... GO RAVENS!!!
Usually when we are this hot, we don't fumble this badly. It makes me ashamed to live in North Carolina.
I apologize Minja.
I think the ownage that Philadelphia dealt Minnesota was pretty thorough... but Delhomme managed to drop the ball again. He can't handle pressure. He's great for the regular season but man... *head desk* I think they should switch to the secondary quarter back come play off time. They'd be better off.
GO STEELERS!
Quote for the WIN!!!!:D
Go Ravens!
And Eagles!
Eagles over the Cardinals - Cardinals suck plus I have committed myself to rooting for the Eagles. The only games I have got correct so far are the Eagles' games so I am sure that I got this one correct too.
Ravens over the Steelers - I don't want the Steelers to be the first team to get their sixth super bowl victory. This is to be reserved for the 49ers, the best football franchise of all time. Plus the Ravens wear purple. Purple is the color of grapes. I like grapes. Go Ravens!
I will be rooting for the Ravens.
An all avian Superbowl.
Hopefully he will block someone unconscious (and for those who think its dirty... Its football... he blocks hard... nothing wrong with that.)
EDIT: Yes, I live in the Southeast... that means SEC Football eats my life... though not as much as PnP RPGS :P
The Eagles (a team I do not like) will defeat the Cardinals. The Eagles have played well and are in a real groove. If they do go, I see them losing to the Steelers but defeating the Ravens.
These predictions will undoubtably fail. For whatever reason, I just can't pick 'em this year. :D
While not rooting for the Steelers (Cleve guy, here), I do expect them to win. I just think that they are the better team and are more capable of handling a tough defense than Baltimore is. Flacco is a rookie. He's a decent one, but he's still not a vet. I think that may make the difference.
The Eagles (a team I do not like) will defeat the Cardinals. The Eagles have played well and are in a real groove. If they do go, I see them losing to the Steelers but defeating the Ravens.
These predictions will undoubtably fail. For whatever reason, I just can't pick 'em this year. :D
I, for one, hope you continue to pick them wrong and we see the Ravens win!
That would make me a happy camper, and all bird superbowl!
While not rooting for the Steelers (Cleve guy, here), I do expect them to win. I just think that they are the better team and are more capable of handling a tough defense than Baltimore is. Flacco is a rookie. He's a decent one, but he's still not a vet. I think that may make the difference.
The Eagles (a team I do not like) will defeat the Cardinals. The Eagles have played well and are in a real groove. If they do go, I see them losing to the Steelers but defeating the Ravens.
These predictions will undoubtably fail. For whatever reason, I just can't pick 'em this year. :D
Yep, the Steelers will definitely when just how all four of the top teams won this last weekend. Oh wait they didn't. 3 of the 4 top teams lost. I'm being realistic with my picks too. If the Cardinals can get as far as they have then the Steelers can get their ass handed to them.
Go all bird super bowl!
Stupid Minnesota.
Stupid Delhomme. Stupid Stupid Delhomme.... It's funny when we are hot he's the only reason we lose. Him and his love for throwing to the wrong team.
Well since the Browns suck, Panthers out.. I'll pick a rival team.
Go Steelers.
If you look at my last attempt at picks in this thread, you'll see how badly I fared. You've still got plenty of luck on your side. Hell, even though my picks may mirror the conventional theories, they're effectively more dark-(hell)horsey like by virtue of being mine. :D Still, I do believe they will be proven accurate. I have to, right? ;) :P
Oh, about this all bird SB idea. Wouldn't it still be an all bird SB even if the Eagles fail (I don't think they will)? Cardinals is birds too, ya' know. ;)
bird. I think that the Cardinals first win in the playoffs this year was their second playoff when of their franchise history.
Hey now, I think the red birds are gonna lose, too. All I'm sayin is that if they do beat the green birds (and green is the best color evah) and the purple birds beat the non-birds, you'd still have an all bird SB.
Green is the best color evah, and that's why the Eagles are going to win the SB. Also the Steelers suck.
GO EAGLES!!
Minja & dirty:
If you look at my last attempt at picks in this thread, you'll see how badly I fared. You've still got plenty of luck on your side. Hell, even though my picks may mirror the conventional theories, they're effectively more dark-(hell)horsey like by virtue of being mine. :D Still, I do believe they will be proven accurate. I have to, right? ;) :P
Oh, about this all bird SB idea. Wouldn't it still be an all bird SB even if the Eagles fail (I don't think they will)? Cardinals is birds too, ya' know. ;)
Yup the only way we can avoid an all bird Superbowl is if the Steelers win. As much as I dislike that team, I just can't stomach them going into another Superbowl and S-T-E-A-L-I-N-G another ring.
Come to think of it that was against another bird team too.
@dirtyfrank: don't worry about the whole 49ers getting to their next ring, the last ring the Steelers got wasn't earned. There will always be an asterisk in the record books.
@Cpt_Micha, I am disappointed, rooting for the Steelers, I joined you on the Panthers, and you aren't going to reciprocate?
Are you going to come over to my side?
@dirtyfrank: don't worry about the whole 49ers getting to their next ring, the last ring the Steelers got wasn't earned. There will always be an asterisk in the record books.
I'm just hoping they don't when cuz 6 is 6 even if there is an asterisk. I just hope they loose and that the Cowboys don't get good for a few more seasons. Well, at least until the 49ers when another superbowl. :D
I'm just hoping they don't when cuz 6 is 6 even if there is an asterisk. I just hope they loose and that the Cowboys don't get good for a few more seasons. Well, at least until the 49ers when another superbowl. :D
No a 6 with an asterisk is a "6*" not a "6". :D
Minja... okay... Go Eagles? :D
Come on Panthers boy. That is go Ravens. Now, you try it.
..... 
...... :whatsthis ..... ...Can I get a GO RAVENS?!
Cpt_Micha ? ......
I think you intimidated and scared him away with your manly girliness.
Can I get a GO RAVENS?!
BEHOLD AND TAKE HEED...
STEELERS WILL DOMINATE THE RAVENS TODAY!!!
GO STEELERS!!!!
This may be HATERS only post I've ever agreed with.
GO STEELERS!!!!!!!!!!
I have more :P!
beats quantity !Quality
You women and your quality over quantity lies. *shakes fist*
[waves terrible towel]WOO WOO WOO WOO[/waves terrible towel]
I never thought that I would ever say this, but it looks like I'll be rooting for the Cardinals. :raincloud
Me too.
Anytime someone says the Cardinals are going to lose, it's a kiss of death for their opponents? Didn't you catch the memo?
Ahem.
GO CARDINALS
Sorry, I'm late... I did my usual weekend disappearance tis the only time during the week I am busy you know.
*twitches* I'm rooting for them because one I'm supporting Minja's Bird For The Win policy, and two... I'd just feel dirty rooting for the Steelers.
Though I wouldn't mind seeing Warner get another Super Bowl ring. He is probably one of the most underrated QBs in the game.
On a side note: Please god don't let Matt Stafford go #1 in the draft... I would rather not see one of my precious UGA players go to the Detroit Lions...
GO STEELERS!!!!
I agree.
next year will be our year!You guys are only fooling yourselves...
STEELERS ARE GONNA TAKE IT HOME!!!
GO STEELERS!!!!
What are you talking about. The Cardinals have been extremely lucky all year. Why would you think their luck would change?
They made the Eagles look like a bunch of Drunken High Schoolers in the first half.
Just watch and see...
The Cards have not yet faced the Steeler defense!
And you are right... only luck has gotten the Cards this far...
Oh, by the way....
GO STEELERS!!
Just remember, they said the same thing about them having not faced the Panther's Running game, or the Eagles Rolling Defense.
LIONS fan ...right here
The Lions suck for quite a few years now, and they had early drafts for as long. What makes you think their ability to win games will change next season?
I don't know. After seeing so many blatantly bad calls that went in favor of the Steelers I don't think it is the Steelers that wins games but the refs. :P
Again they are living up to their name. Nice phantom roughing the kicker call. Again, there will be an asterisk next to number 6, should they get it.
Go CARDINALS
Again they are living up to their name. Nice phantom roughing the kicker call. Again, there will be an asterisk next to number 6, should they get it.
Go CARDINALS
I think that the Cardinals should be fine. They have gotten a lot of bad calls that have gone their way all season so why would it change for the super bowl.
We got two teams playing in the super bowl that need bad reffing in order to win. How did this happen?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
GO STEELERS!!!!
Cardinals are the next to fall!!!!
GO STEELERS!!!!
DIIIIEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
*sobs while he puts away his purple and black*
WOOOOOOO!!!!!
Just one more win!:D
I've gotten to the point I really am not too interested in who wins.
Though I wouldn't mind seeing Warner get another Super Bowl ring. He is probably one of the most underrated QBs in the game.
On a side note: Please god don't let Matt Stafford go #1 in the draft... I would rather not see one of my precious UGA players go to the Detroit Lions...
Hehe...yeah, you don't want that. Barry Sanders from my precious OSU went there, they made him a franchise player and he hated the place so bad he retired in his prime...he would have easily surpassed Smith's current rushing yards record.
I'll be seeing you all in Stillwater next season...I can't wait!
Faelar
Whatever excuse makes you feel better...
I guess you have forgotten the myriad of bad calls that went against the Steelers... even at least one I know of where the refs actually apologized the next day for screwing up!
GO STEELERS!!
I hate to do this, but I have to agree with HATER on this one. Bad calls happen. They happen to everyone. Good teams overcome bad calls. Stop whining.
P.S. I did call BS on that Phantom Roughing the Kicker call, but I've seen bad calls both ways.
The Lions suck for quite a few years now, and they had early drafts for as long. What makes you think their ability to win games will change next season?
pure blind faith, several voodoo rituals, prayers to every-stinking wannabe diety, and many unholy pacts with otherplanar entities! bout sums it up.
pure blind faith, several voodoo rituals, prayers to every-stinking wannabe diety, and many unholy pacts with otherplanar entities! bout sums it up.
But I'm sure the fans have been doing that every year... hasn't worked out so well yet. :P
But I'm sure the fans have been doing that every year... hasn't worked out so well yet. :P
WE are waiting for the stars to align right dammit :D
You mean like a defender trying to block a punt, and landing in front of the kicker, and the kicker tripping over the already down defense and the referee calling it "Roughing the kicker" giing the team a free first down ON A PUNT?
Oh wait.....
Lineman jumps at the QB, QB throws... then DUCKS FORWARD INTO THE LINEMAN WHO IS STILL IN THE AIR, and they call roughing the passer...
Pure BS (I can't remember what game this was... it just sickened me though)
Oh yeah, OSU had one of those against Texas this year. He clearly did not hit Colt in the head (not even close) and still was flagged for 15. The fact that there was a legit call earlier probably didn't help, though.
I was laughing during that.
Not this last college season, but the one before it, Colt was hit a few times and quite late after he passed. I believe, if my memory serves me correctly, he was hit after the play was called dead, several seconds afterwords, and there was no call.
The game is full of bad calls.
I was laughing during that.
Not this last college season, but the one before it, Colt was hit a few times and quite late after he passed. I believe, if my memory serves me correctly, he was hit after the play was called dead, several seconds afterwords, and there was no call.
The game is full of bad calls.
The one I was thinking of saw him hit as he threw. The call was a personal foul (roughing the passer) because the d-bag ref thought there was helmet to helmet contact. The replay showed that there (obviously) was not. Hell, even the Texas-biased (ok, that's not fair. anti-OSU-biased is more accurate) announcers called it a bad call. He did take a bad shot earlier, though.
You're right. The game is full of bad calls. Against the Illini last season, there were nearly no holding penalties called against them. The funny thing was that their running game was doing oddly well. ;) After the game, it came out that the officials working the game were disciplined for being incompetent (or corrupt - can't recall) in a previous game and were still somehow allowed to officiate in this game. BS.
I've been noticing some terrible officiating in the NBA this year, too. It seems all of the good officials (from all sports) took the year off or something.
The one I was thinking of saw him hit as he threw. The call was a personal foul (roughing the passer) because the d-bag ref thought there was helmet to helmet contact. The replay showed that there (obviously) was not. Hell, even the Texas-biased (ok, that's not fair. anti-OSU-biased is more accurate) announcers called it a bad call. He did take a bad shot earlier, though.
I know what one you are talking about. There was no helmet to helmet contact but it sure did look like he was hit in the helmet (probably by an arm).
I know what one you are talking about. There was no helmet to helmet contact but it sure did look like he was hit in the helmet (probably by an arm).
I didn't think he got hit in the head at all. It doesn't matter, though. They died by the blitz in the 4th anyway. :D
I was dumbfounded... not only did the player only hit the QB because the QB ducked into it, they somehow expected the guy to change direction IN MIDAIR after the QB threw the ball.
One more week before the Black & Gold stand alone as the greatest franchise in NFL history...
Too bad... because the Cardinals are going to win!!!
Go Cardinals!
Go Cardinals Go!
*Continues to watch Minja dance and cheer*
*continues to ogle Minja*
*Starts dancing with Minja*
well at least for someone that was born in Cleveland it is wrong.
Go Cardinals!
Go Cardinals!
: Hey, Minja! What kind of dancing do you want to do?
The lawnmower.
wow that could be a movie.
And the watersprinkler. Work it - work it - go abs - go abs!!!
Aren't these suppose to be the type of dances that push women away? So, it's OK for women to do these dances but not for a guy.
: Does the scuba diveSeriously though... you don't really believe the Cards will win... do you?
Do you seriously believe that the Steelers will win?
ftl...
Seriously though... you don't really believe the Cards will win... do you?
Any given Sunday.
I think the Steelers will win.
I want the Cardinals to win.
I am not a Steelers fan.
I despise the Steelers.
So I root for the red bird.
Go Cardinals.
And you said the Steelers were going to win :P Several times. That's alot of miracles the Cardinals are going to pull.
At least you can say your team doesn't have Delhomme.
Warner
Warner sucks and is overrated.
The thing that is wrong with the Steelers is Pittsburgh.
Really?
Honestly, I think the Cards are a better team. Warner and Fitzgerald are better than Roethlisberger and.... ???
However, the Steelers are going to, indeed, win the Super Bowl.
Roethlisberger is so overrated... I love how people point out that he won a Super Bowl... Yeah... like he REALLY HELPED WITH THAT. Hell, he almost LOST the game for them.
I still kind of lean towards the Steelers winning. I really don't know. Warner is great, gets the ball out fast (something Roethlisberger fails at, if he wasn't so big and could avoid a few, he would get sacked constantly) and Fitzgerald is an amazingly good WR. The biggest problem for the Cards on offense is that Edgerrin James is over the hill, and doesn't look as good.
But the Steelers defense is impressive.
Its basically going to come down to Steelers Defense vs. Cardinals Offense. Whoever wins that matchup has the game in my opinion.
Roethlisberger is so overrated... I love how people point out that he won a Super Bowl... Yeah... like he REALLY HELPED WITH THAT. Hell, he almost LOST the game for them.
I heard on the local sports station that he had like a 30 QB rating or something in that game.
If it hadn't been for those blown calls they would have surely lost.
There is no way to conclude the Cardinals are the better team. No way. But that is why as they say you have to play the game. All that matters is who is best for one game.
Go Cardinals.
Tear down the curtain! Crush the can! Oxidize the Iron! Stain the Steelers!
Go Red Birds!
.... next year.......this year...
Go Cardinals!
Go Browns This year, go Cardinals
*does another hand stand*:P... something I learned when I was younger....
Warner Sucks
Go Cardinals!
I've been there. God damn pizza place was a Pizza Hut wannabe.
You've been to Sacramento? How much do you think it sucks?
My god damn Cactus Cooler was flat.
Hope they win, sure. Pray the win, you really, really should. But to think they have a good chance of winning.... WTF?
lol, come up with more then one reason (their passing game) that gives them equal footing and a good chance to win.
Cards 'could' win, with a perfect game on their part AND with the Steelers not showing up.
Otherwise.... yeah....
See, Steelers fans KNOW that we win if we show up.
I think it will likely be a low scoring, close game. It will probably be boring as hell. And the steelers will probably get their sixth super bowl victory, which I hope the don't get.
For me this is about not wanting the Steelers to get their sixth superbowl victory so I'd root against them no matter who they were playing in the superbowl.
GO CARDINALS! Maybe a disgruntled ravens / titans fan?
GO CARDINALS EVEN THOUGH YOU SUCK!!
Grew up with my grandpa (who is from PA) and I never cared for another team.
You just don't want to see another team with more VLT's.... I suppose you'll have to continue dealing with disappointment.
There is nothing disappointing about the 49ers never having lost a superbowl. I think that Mike Singletary will turn the Niners around and make them at least a decent team, if not a good one, within a few years. Well if the Steelers end up being the first to 6 then the Niners will need to be the first to 7.
It's very possible. The only issue will be whether SF will be able to give Singletary the players necessary to give him the chance to put together a good team.
As a Bears fan it absolutely ticks me off that the McCaskey family (the owners of the Bears and the worst sports owners in the NFL, don't debate me on this because it is completely true and it will not be discussed; the McCaskeys are terrible, awful, horrible, stupid, etc...) decided not to hire Singletary as an assistant coach a few years ago. He is a very sharp man and coach and would have been a good addition to Chicago.
Oh well, I guess I can't expect any good decisions out of Halas Hall as long as Mikey and his cronies have control of the team. Sometimes it sucks to be a Bears fan...
Thanks!
TheSeventhStooge...
I don't think I've ever seen so many penalties in one game.
DF, how crushed are you?
Not to much. It sucks that the Steelers barely was the first to get to 6 superbowl victories, but all that means is that the 49ers will need to be the first to 7. I think I am now determined to root like no other for my team's future success.
Emotion.
That's why I can never root for the Steelers, they're just too much like a damned machine.
Don't worry folks. It'll be the Panthers next year.
Everyone start practicing your Panthers Play Off Chants! "BENCH DEL HOMME, BENCH HIM! BENCH DEL HOMME, BENCH HIM!"
:raincloud
I don't think I've ever seen so many penalties in one game.
No joke man. That was hilarious.
Also, when the Steelers lineman (#92, I think?) ran the whole field for the touchdown, some of us joked as he was kicking back on the field "Oxygen! I need oxygen!"
Then we saw him being handed a breathing mask. It may sound horrible, but it cracked us all up.
That was an awesome play, though, even though I ended up rooting for the Cardinals.
All I know is that a Buckeye won MVP. A drug abusing, dealing(?) Buckeye, but a Buckeye all the same. :P
A couple of my coworkers here in Philly were BSing to the tune of "it should have been us, man. Should have been us." I told them "NO."
Because between the Phillies and the Eagles, two championships in one year would have made all of you people ("you" being Philly sports fans) absolutely insufferable. In we probably would have lost good junks of downtown to "victory riots." The last thing we needed was another ring for the Eagles.
I wish Pittsburgh luck with the impending property destruction.
the no-review of the game ending "fumble".
I can't believe that that play was not review or anything. It is physically impossible for the ball to fly 10 yrds without being touched. All I know is that it was one magical fumble.
Also I thought that Cardinals were playing like crap in the 2nd and 3rd quarters and playing eh in the first. I've seen the Cardinals play worlds better football than what they did yesterday.
I still say he'd be better than pretty much -anyone- on the Browns. :P
That's probably true. ;) Unless a new coach actually spends time with Josh Cribbs and makes him learn how to run routes. That dude is a friggin' beast.
Watching the SB showed us Browns fans that Michigan receivers can actually catch a football, too. Breaston had a good game for the Cards. So I guess Michigan receivers aren't terrible. Unless they're named Braylon, of course. ;)
I can't believe that that play was not review or anything. It is physically impossible for the ball to fly 10 yrds without being touched. All I know is that it was one magical fumble.
Also I thought that Cardinals were playing like crap in the 2nd and 3rd quarters and playing eh in the first. I've seen the Cardinals play worlds better football than what they did yesterday.
There was plenty of BS flowin' in that game. Calls that shouldn't have been called, non-calls all around and that no-review should guarantee plenty of film gets sent to the offices. Those officials were not too good.
I wish the Cards had played like they did vs the Eagles.
Pittsburgh would have been pwnt if they had. The few moments where they did shine they made Pitts look terrible.
The penalties got pretty ridiculous, though most of them were fair calls IMO.
That's why I can never root for the Steelers, they're just too much like a damned machine.
How so? My team has a lot of heart and emotion?
I was sad to see Polamalu miss so many tackles. He was really off his game last night.
The penalties got pretty ridiculous, though most of them were fair calls IMO.
There are always bad and/or no calls on both sides of the ball, but I don't think it changed the game.
Also, the last fumble was reviewed and shown to be a fumble. I think the first one was as well, but, like I said, it didn't matter.
The best team won and it was a great game.
The Steelers play like a damned textbook. Everything they do is methodical and just seems so calculated. They may want to win (doesn't everyone) but they seem to have turned football into a scientific experiment/theory. "Do X, Y will result" etc.
As a professional coach once said, "You play to win the game!". Tomlin sort of addressed this after the game, too. They may never win pretty, but they grind out victories. There are no style points in the NFL and there are some coaches and players that would benefit greatly from learning that. Put points on the board when you can and stop the other guy from doing the same. It doesn't matter how it looks while you do it. ;)
They just seem "It's another day at the office" when they game. I don't see the -love- of play like I did with the Cards (even with the Cards were effing it up)
Can they at least bother to seem enthusiastic while doing the grinding though?
They just seem "It's another day at the office" when they game. I don't see the -love- of play like I did with the Cards (even with the Cards were effing it up)
I see it as exactly the opposite. All those antics, the showboating, reacting like spoiled children when things go wrong, they make it pretty clear to me that the people doing that stuff aren't there to play.
Athletics was always about competing for me, and seeing people getting paid millions of dollars to act like immature idiots isn't my idea of effective sports coverage. Give me the guys who get to work and get the job done over the ones who think they need to spice up the game to stoke their own egos any day.
I see it as exactly the opposite. All those antics, the showboating, reacting like spoiled children when things go wrong, they make it pretty clear to me that the people doing that stuff aren't there to play.
Athletics was always about competing for me, and seeing people getting paid millions of dollars to act like immature idiots isn't my idea of effective sports coverage. Give me the guys who get to work and get the job done over the ones who think they need to spice up the game to stoke their own egos any day.
It's more the -way- they play not so much the temper tantrums.
Although I did enjoy seeing the look of horror on Fitzgerald's face.
It's more the -way- they play not so much the temper tantrums.
I'm a lineman, Cap. Constantly playing longball or such IS showboating to me.
I was trained to do the same thing the same way every time a certain play was called. To do my job without doing anything that was going to hurt the team. I tend to view football through that spectrum.
Plus you don't get SCREWED as an overall strategy when playing vs a Defense like what the Steelers (and pretty much any other top tier NFL team has) had. You know. the I **** Running Game Defense.
I prefer passing games myself. Bigger plays and all that. (then again I'm a better quarterback than anything else in football)
Plus you don't get SCREWED as an overall strategy when playing vs a Defense like what the Steelers (and pretty much any other top tier NFL team has) had. You know. the I **** Running Game Defense.
That's when your Tight Ends have 200+ yard games running 3-and-outs.
Longball's for showoffs.
Longball's for showoffs.
Tell that to the Big 12. :P
(What's a running back? What's a defensive line? :D)
I prefer passing games myself. Bigger plays and all that. (then again I'm a better quarterback than anything else in football)
Plus you don't get SCREWED as an overall strategy when playing vs a Defense like what the Steelers (and pretty much any other top tier NFL team has) had. You know. the I **** Running Game Defense.
lol, the Steelers are a great run D, no doubt. But, we were the best pass D in the NFL this season... props to the cards for getting it threw the air so well.
We played it safe to shut down Fitz instead of playing like we have all year... Did a good job for 3 and a half quarters.
That's when your Tight Ends have 200+ yard games running 3-and-outs.
Longball's for showoffs.
please, what screwed Arizona was the penalty happy appy selves that they were.
Or anytime they tried to run the ball. That was pathetic and stupid.
Tell that to the Big 12. :P
(What's a running back? What's a defensive line? :D)
I remember the glory days of smash mouth Big 8 football. Just a memory now. Le sigh.
please, what screwed Arizona was the penalty happy appy selves that they were.
Or anytime they tried to run the ball. That was pathetic and stupid.
Playing longball, or any other style with a "big play" mentality, leads to penalties. You're trying to do something special every play and it opens you up to having 11 guys on the field all doing stuff they aren't supposed to.
Homecoming game my junior year we had 3 full drives that were 95% quarterback sneaks. And 21 resultant points. Big plays aren't a prerequisite for winning, doing your job is.
And since most top tier teams have Defense like Pittsburg Running the Ball is stupid.
Playing Longball on the amateur level is stupid. At top tier level, it's really the only way to go if your defense sucks. Or if you are playing against a team with good defense vs the run.
They spent half the damn game trying to run against Pittsburgh... at best they should have been doing it 1/4 plays. Not 2/3s
There are always bad and/or no calls on both sides of the ball, but I don't think it changed the game.
Yes, but they aren't normally so lopsided as it seems they are in Steelers Superbowl wins. At least the two recent ones, I didn't watch any of the others.
GO 49ERS!
Yes, but they aren't normally so lopsided as it seems they are in Steelers Superbowl wins. At least the two recent ones, I didn't watch any of the others.
Maybe you should watch again... count how many times no flags came out for holding (23) push offs (5), personal fouls (2) all calls that should have been in favor of the Steelers.
Oh, don't forget the bad calls against them either.
It's always one sided when it isn't in your favor, right?
Like I said, it happens in every game. It happens against us more then for us.... but you know what, we still find ways to win.
It's always one sided when it isn't in your favor, right?
Like I said, it happens in every game. It happens against us more then for us.... but you know what, we still find ways to win.
No.
I didn't have a dog in this fight. I was rooting for the Cardinals, but I am not a fan of the Cardinals.
I was actually rooting for the Steelers during their last Superbowl win against the Seahawks. It is only since then that I have grown to dislike them. That does not mean that my judgment is impaired.
And yes bad calls happen in every game, and happens against you more often then for you? I disagree, and certainly not in the game I watched last night.
And yes bad calls happen in every game, and happens against you more often then for you? I disagree, and certainly not in the game I watched last night.
I concur.
Go go go Panthers!
Assuming that Delhomme doesn't have his special moments of "awesome ideas".
GO BROWNS!
GO PACKERS!
Hmm. That still looks insane. Soooo ...
GO FALCONS! :P
The team was actually incredibly good before the merger.
Cleveland Browns
In 1945, a new professional football franchise was founded in Cleveland, Ohio. Team owner Arthur B. McBride hired Paul Brown when Brown was still coaching at the Great Lakes Naval Training Station during World War II, paying Brown $20,000 per year plus 15% of the profits, plus $1,000 per month until the end of the war. While the AAFC lasted only four seasons, the Browns served as the gold standard for the league, winning all four championships and losing only four games during the league's four-year existence.
Brown put together the most extensive player recruitment network that had ever been seen in pro football at the time. The great majority of the early Browns teams came from Massillon, Ohio State and Great Lakes. One key move came when he tapped Otto Graham, a single-wing tailback during his days at Northwestern University, as his quarterback, providing the team with a signal caller who would lead the team to the league title game in each of his 10 seasons. In addition, Brown ignored the gentlemen's agreement that barred African-American players from the league, adding future Pro Football Hall of Famers Marion Motley and Bill Willis.
Following the merger between the NFL and AAFC, the Browns, along with the San Francisco 49ers and the first Baltimore Colts franchise, moved to the NFL in 1950. Critics had predicted that the overall weakness of the AAFC would expose the Browns. However, in their very first official NFL game, the Browns dismantled the two-time defending champion Philadelphia Eagles 35-10, putting up 487 yards of total offense, 346 of them in the air. They won the NFL Championship in their first year, defeating the Rams in the title game on December 24 on a last-minute field goal by Lou Groza. The Browns went on to appear in the next five title games, winning back-to-back titles in 1954 and 1955.
Brown was a great innovator during his time in Cleveland. He was the first to use intelligence tests to judge players, establish a game film library, instruct players in a classroom setting, use a radio transmitter to communicate with players on the field, and install face masks on helmets. Another innovation was the use of "messenger guards" to relay plays from the sidelines after the radio proved problematic due to the technology then available. The offense directed by Graham was the predecessor of the West Coast offense made famous by Bill Walsh, a protégé of Brown.
He was also a person known for his stubborn approach to criticism. In 1950, Eagles head coach Greasy Neale dismissed the Browns' shredding of his Eagles' vaunted defense in the season opener by saying, "All they do is pass the ball." In the team's subsequent meeting a few months later, the Browns set an NFL record that still stands by attempting no passes in a 13-7 win over the Eagles.
At the end of the 1958 season, the Green Bay Packers were searching for a new head coach. Upon talking to Browm, he recommended either Blanton Collier or Vince Lombardi. Once Lombardi was hired, Brown made a short list of young players with promise but no roster spot. Lombardi chose four players, two became hall of famers and three of his four defensive linemen.
Go Everyone BUT the STEELERS!
But, they certainly deserve their credit for their accomplishments this weekend!
And their Six Championships*!
Why, you may ask.... well, we had the hardest schedule this year and next year ours is 29th!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, # 7 NEXT YEAR BABY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
lol, Steelers are a shoe in for #7!
Why, you may ask.... well, we had the hardest schedule this year and next year ours is 29th!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, # 7 NEXT YEAR BABY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Krownhunter...mine old enemy. We meet again.
Or the Browns will first. :P
Don't worry the Panthers will put em down for their attempt to get #7.
Or the Browns will first. :P
Let's not get crazy. I think the Browns have a better chance at matching the Lion's newest record next year than winning it all. Poor, pathetic Brownies. I'm thinking of switching my allegience to the Ravens. They're actually kind of good (though who knows next year) and they are the real Browns. What we've got now is a **** poor expansion team that's got nothing but losing in its history.
Which is what makes us Panthers so awesome.
Come on ZB at least root for the team who's state is where Orville and Wright took flight in! Keep up the Ohio to Carolina transplate tradition!
I used to follow the Panthers when they first came to be. I can't remember why I stopped. I think I just ran out of room for NFC choices since I had already been rooting for the Pack (pre-Favre) and the Falcons (Deon Sanders era and Michael Vick). I would have rather seen them in the SB than the Cards, though. That should count for something, right? :D
There was a pre-Favre Packers? Really? Were the games in color?
There was a pre-Favre Packers? Really? Were the games in color?
There certainly was and they certainly were. Yup. :D
There certainly was and they certainly were. Yup. :D
Are you trying to BS us?
Are you trying to BS us?
Not this time. Maybe. I think.
Football is here again! :P
Go Cats!
You can listen UK versus Miami (OH) right here
right now, 3rd quarter:
UK 28 Miami 0
Woot!
UK wins the Rumble in the River.
UK 42 Miami (OH) 0
Trevard Lindley, the best corner in the nation IMO, dropped 2 should have been picks early in the game but later he did pick off another and run it back for a touchdown.
More CFB all day long! Go SEC!
Tomorrow the NFL starts for all those fans.
Futbol Americano is back.
Last year was a fluke. =p
Football is back. Unless you live in Cleveland. Browns suck.
Oh yeah, the Buckeyes also almost threw the game against Navy away. And there's nothing they did against Navy that could prep them for USC. In fact, since Navy runs a ... unique style, it's likely a disadvantage that they played them before SC. So, unless SC decides to switch to a triple option offense before next week, the game was a complete waste of time. Super scheduling, guys. Super indeed.
Currently, I think the Steelers are the only team in the NFL with a winning record.
The Cardiac Cats are going to tear apart the Steelers.
You just wait, the Panthers are going to the Superbowl. This year.
If we can be the only team that put the Pats ball's to the wall during their HEY DAY, in a superbowl, we can put down the Steelers.
As long as we don't trust the ball to Delhomme and try to play a passing game at least....
Hmm. Let's look at the Ohio sports fan checklist:
Ohio state loses a high-profile night game that they could have (even should have) won. At home. Check.
The Browns start out looking ok against a very tough team only to return to their incompetent offensive and sieve like defensive ways. Check.
Yeah, good sports weekend. Oh well, at least Ohio has produced a fair number of decent to good MMA fighters.
They produce good MMA fighters because their other sports suck and they have to vent frustration..
This is true. I wonder how many MMA guys have had their faces punched harder than normal cuz the Ohio fighter they were facing kept picturing them in a Steeler's jersey or a Yankee's hat or maybe even Celtic's shorts. My guess is all of 'em. :P
So did Vick get any playing time? I saw that McNabb sorta looked hurt (as usual) but wasn't able to see any more. Maybe I'll go look it up or something.
EDIT: Duh. Vick can't play until week three. McNabb did get hurt, though. Cracked rib. Thems is fun.
This is true. I wonder how many MMA guys have had their faces punched harder than normal cuz the Ohio fighter they were facing kept picturing them in a Steeler's jersey or a Yankee's hat or maybe even Celtic's shorts. My guess is all of 'em. :P
So did Vick get any playing time? I saw that McNabb sorta looked hurt (as usual) but wasn't able to see any more. Maybe I'll go look it up or something.
Nah, Vick's still suspended. It will be week 4 when he comes back.
Frankly I don't think he was punished enough. He should be made to do illegal pit fights against other people. Let him see what it's like.
Yeah, I forgot about that.
Not punished enough? Two years in jail, the loss of his contract and all of his endorsements wasn't enough? He went from a mutli-millionaire to bankrupt. Yeah, bankrupt. He owes tens of millions of dollars to creditors and he owes his legal team around two million on top of that. How in god's name is that not punishment enough? Oh, he's also got to deal with people and the media trying to prevent him from doing his own job and also doing their damndest to keep any sponsors away. Jail and bankruptcy weren't enough - there's people out there trying to make sure he can't even recover from the bankruptcy. The loss of his $135 million contract or whatever it was was enough punishment. The loss of two years of his life was punishment enough. The hatred he has to face daily from people that used to be his fans was enough. Somehow, though, the combination just doesn't seem to cut it. Dogs died. Dogs. While not the best thing to do, no human beings were harmed. None. Yet it's a human being so many are doing their best to permanently damage.
It's bullshit, pure and simple. There's no real outcry against companies that sell chicken or hot dogs, is there? Those animals aren't forced to fight, but they are bred to die. You can't have it both ways. You can't condemn a man for abuses against a dog while you're happily eating your Popeye's. You can't say he wasn't punished enough while you're eating a hot dog at the game. Well, you could - if and only if you were also crying for the heads of the men and women that run those companies, too. Though doing that while eating animals would be a tad hypocritical. Dogs are cute and fuzzy, though, and that buys them a soul. Nevermind that they are on the menu in certain places (and so are we, for that matter). Michael Vick more than paid for what he did. Oh, in case anyone missed it, he's still paying for it, too. And he still will be even after he's dead and gone. If that isn't enough, I don't know what to tell you.
Yeah, I forgot about that.
Not punished enough? Two years in jail, the loss of his contract and all of his endorsements wasn't enough? He went from a mutli-millionaire to bankrupt. Yeah, bankrupt. He owes tens of millions of dollars to creditors and he owes his legal team around two million on top of that. How in god's name is that not punishment enough? Oh, he's also got to deal with people and the media trying to prevent him from doing his own job and also doing their damndest to keep any sponsors away. Jail and bankruptcy weren't enough - there's people out there trying to make sure he can't even recover from the bankruptcy. The loss of his $135 million contract or whatever it was was enough punishment. The loss of two years of his life was punishment enough. The hatred he has to face daily from people that used to be his fans was enough. Somehow, though, the combination just doesn't seem to cut it. Dogs died. Dogs. While not the best thing to do, no human beings were harmed. None. Yet it's a human being so many are doing their best to permanently damage.
It's bullshit, pure and simple. There's no real outcry against companies that sell chicken or hot dogs, is there? Those animals aren't forced to fight, but they are bred to die. You can't have it both ways. You can't condemn a man for abuses against a dog while you're happily eating your Popeye's. You can't say he wasn't punished enough while you're eating a hot dog at the game. Well, you could - if and only if you were also crying for the heads of the men and women that run those companies, too. Though doing that while eating animals would be a tad hypocritical. Dogs are cute and fuzzy, though, and that buys them a soul. Nevermind that they are on the menu in certain places (and so are we, for that matter). Michael Vick more than paid for what he did. Oh, in case anyone missed it, he's still paying for it, too. And he still will be even after he's dead and gone. If that isn't enough, I don't know what to tell you.
I don't think how he was punished fits the crime though. I think 2 years of pit fighting while being forced to endure physical abuse, and living in a hot box would be more fitting. I've seen the living conditions that those animals had to endure and the abuse.
Dogs are more intelligent than chickens. You can't traumatize a chicken. You can however traumatize a dog. Dogs are about as intelligent as children. If he did that to human children he'd be deballed, and disembolwed.
The Cardiac Cats are going to tear apart the Steelers.
You just wait, the Panthers are going to the Superbowl. This year.
If we can be the only team that put the Pats ball's to the wall during their HEY DAY, in a superbowl, we can put down the Steelers.
As long as we don't trust the ball to Delhomme and try to play a passing game at least....
Dude, the Cardiac Cats may have finnaly gone into complete Arrest.. As a Panthers fan... man I hate what happened Sunday. I'll wait and see but Without a better O-Line and Quarterback... we are totally screwed.
Yeah, I forgot about that.
Not punished enough? Two years in jail, the loss of his contract and all of his endorsements wasn't enough? He went from a mutli-millionaire to bankrupt. Yeah, bankrupt. He owes tens of millions of dollars to creditors and he owes his legal team around two million on top of that. How in god's name is that not punishment enough? Oh, he's also got to deal with people and the media trying to prevent him from doing his own job and also doing their damndest to keep any sponsors away. Jail and bankruptcy weren't enough - there's people out there trying to make sure he can't even recover from the bankruptcy. The loss of his $135 million contract or whatever it was was enough punishment. The loss of two years of his life was punishment enough. The hatred he has to face daily from people that used to be his fans was enough. Somehow, though, the combination just doesn't seem to cut it. Dogs died. Dogs. While not the best thing to do, no human beings were harmed. None. Yet it's a human being so many are doing their best to permanently damage.
It's bullshit, pure and simple. There's no real outcry against companies that sell chicken or hot dogs, is there? Those animals aren't forced to fight, but they are bred to die. You can't have it both ways. You can't condemn a man for abuses against a dog while you're happily eating your Popeye's. You can't say he wasn't punished enough while you're eating a hot dog at the game. Well, you could - if and only if you were also crying for the heads of the men and women that run those companies, too. Though doing that while eating animals would be a tad hypocritical. Dogs are cute and fuzzy, though, and that buys them a soul. Nevermind that they are on the menu in certain places (and so are we, for that matter). Michael Vick more than paid for what he did. Oh, in case anyone missed it, he's still paying for it, too. And he still will be even after he's dead and gone. If that isn't enough, I don't know what to tell you.
First off that human being irreperably damaged himself, and I have absolutely no pity for someone who has a multi-million dollar contract and gets his kicks from TORTURING A LIVING ANIMAL. Personally i'm not too pissed about just the dog fighting, if it was ONLY the dogfighting i'd have calmed down more than I am now. HOWEVER, Michael Vick abused and tortured these animals... let me restate that if you weren't paying attention, ABUSED AND TORTURED ANIMALS. I'm not saying that they have the same ethical importance as a human being does, because you can't say that from a human ethics standpoint. I am saying that the torture of animals for entertainment is a warning sign to far more serious problems. In children it is a warning sign of serial criminal behavior. This guy maliciously killed these animals just for fun and deserves absolutely NO defense what-so-ever.
Secondly, I am going to interject as a Meat cutter and therefore a little knowledgeable on the subject of being "bred to die". We can, in fact, have it both ways. You see, as a society we have deemed certain animals as food, and others as pets or even family members. There are in fact public outcries against the mistreatment of food animals, and most companies take pains to slaughter these animals as painlessly as possible. Cows are shot in the head (usually with this pneumatic drill thing.. but other ways too), chickens are usually beheaded, pigs are hung and their throats cut (as scary as it sounds, not a lot of pain involved) and shot in the head as well. Keep in mind we are not IN certain places that allow the eating of dog... if this was NFL Vietnam nobody would care, but it isn't and your argument is invalid. Not to mention these dogs that died weren't being used as food... in fact I didn't read a single report that said "Vick tased the animal, skinned it, then fed it to his cousins at a family reunion". Correct me if I am wrong here that sets a completely different precedence because he was just killing animals for entertainment... in order to kill them. Eating a hot dog at the game is eating an animal that DID NOT GO TO ANY SORT OF WASTE nor was it killed for ENTERTAINMENT. It may be eaten for entertainment, but that is a huge difference.
I understand all the Vick Apologists out there... I really do.. it doesn't upset you and that is fine. It is your right to your opinion, but get off your soap box until you can make an argument that doesn't sound so much like your reaching for whatever rhetoric might just fit the situation . Your's was a pisspoor attempt at logic and I ask that you try again.
I don't think how he was punished fits the crime though. I think 2 years of pit fighting while being forced to endure physical abuse, and living in a hot box would be more fitting. I've seen the living conditions that those animals had to endure and the abuse.
Dogs are more intelligent than chickens. You can't traumatize a chicken. You can however traumatize a dog. Dogs are about as intelligent as children. If he did that to human children he'd be deballed, and disembolwed.
So dogs are worth more than chickens and worth the same as a man. Interesting. Your proposed punishment - especially when we look at the facts of the situation (which I touched upon in my last post) - is, to put it nicely, insane.
Habukberht: *Gawd I hate the quote system*
Total agreement. It's pretty bad when the EMERGENCY QB (not even the secondary) is a better QB than the "main man".
Zb your post is response is coming. Effing quote system of Maximum Failure.
I'm saying Vick shouldn't have been punished in the way that he was. His punishment really doesn't fit the crime. It's also frankly far more damaging for -everyone else- than it is him in the long run. (after all he still got to sign a contract to get back in.) If he had done that to a human, he should just be shot in the face for being totally irredemable.
Also ZB, he TORTURED the animals. Not just stuck em in a pit.
yeah, I have to make a reply, then go copy and paste a new quote into my thread and edit them... pshaw.
BTW, zombie babes I responded to you above... read please.
As far as football is concerned I feel a compulsive need to explain myself. As I have mentioned, I have been a St. Louis sportsfan for as long as I can remember. I enjoyed the Rams when they went to the Superbowl twice but I lost interest when Marshall Faulk retired and **** Vermeil left. I really gave up when we traded Kurt Werner away and replaced him with the weak armed Bulger.
However, I moved to Wisconsin on the border of Minnesota and so was torn between the Vikings and Green Bay. I decided I kinda' liked Favre and so Green Bay became my team and what do you know, they went to the Playoffs.
Now with Favre, I can understand that Green Bay couldn't wait around for him to make a decision if he was going to retire or not. When he went to the Jets, I was supremely disappointed. He himself was disappointed but he handled it like a pro and did well in the first half of the season but the weaknesses of that team became more pronounced as the season wore on.
He thought of retiring again but Minnesota expressed an interest in him. The idea of playing in the Northland again was very attractive to him but his age and 19 years of injuries could have kept him from playing so he wanted to make sure that he was healthy enough to play. It took a while for that to become clear and so he missed all of training camp. This did not impress me and has led to an infamiliarity with his players.
Even though the Vikings won against the Browns there were several plays where recievers were not where he expected them to be and looked like a few of them gave up on plays before Favre ever threw the ball which is disappointing and I'm hoping that trend does not continue.
Now on to College Ball. Because of where I lived at, in Southern Illinois right across the river from St. Louis I kind of had two College teams, the Mizzou Tigers and the Fighting Illini of Illinois. The two teams are division rivals and so play each other and during that game I really don't have a favorite and it gives me two chances at a Bowl Game.
I don't consider myself a fairweather fan but until the Rams decide to actually get a good quarterback I'll think I'll be sticking with the Vikings in the Pros. Mizzou and Illinois will be my teams in College and the Cardinals will always be my team when it comes to baseball.
Wow, I didn't mean to write so much. Thanks for reading.
First off that human being irreperably damaged himself, and I have absolutely no pity for someone who has a multi-million dollar contract and gets his kicks from TORTURING A LIVING ANIMAL. Personally i'm not too pissed about just the dog fighting, if it was ONLY the dogfighting i'd have calmed down more than I am now. HOWEVER, Michael Vick abused and tortured these animals... let me restate that if you weren't paying attention, ABUSED AND TORTURED ANIMALS. I'm not saying that they have the same ethical importance as a human being does, because you can't say that from a human ethics standpoint. I am saying that the torture of animals for entertainment is a warning sign to far more serious problems. In children it is a warning sign of serial criminal behavior. This guy maliciously killed these animals just for fun and deserves absolutely NO defense what-so-ever.
Actually, Vick was brought up in a culture that sees dogfighting far differently than some others. His use of animals for entertainment was not the warning sign of a serial killer - it was an exhibition of different cultural values. You can disagree with those values, but you're mischaracterizing the man because you've decided to view the act isolated from the background. That is an error.
Secondly, I am going to interject as a Meat cutter and therefore a little knowledgeable on the subject of being "bred to die". We can, in fact, have it both ways. You see, as a society we have deemed certain animals as food, and others as pets or even family members. There are in fact public outcries against the mistreatment of food animals, and most companies take pains to slaughter these animals as painlessly as possible. Cows are shot in the head (usually with this pneumatic drill thing.. but other ways too), chickens are usually beheaded, pigs are hung and their throats cut (as scary as it sounds, not a lot of pain involved) and shot in the head as well. Keep in mind we are not IN certain places that allow the eating of dog... if this was NFL Vietnam nobody would care, but it isn't and your argument is invalid. Not to mention these dogs that died weren't being used as food... in fact I didn't read a single report that said "Vick tased the animal, skinned it, then fed it to his cousins at a family reunion". Correct me if I am wrong here that sets a completely different precedence because he was just killing animals for entertainment... in order to kill them. Eating a hot dog at the game is eating an animal that DID NOT GO TO ANY SORT OF WASTE nor was it killed for ENTERTAINMENT. It may be eaten for entertainment, but that is a huge difference.
As a matter of fact, it's your argument that is invalid. Some cultures eat dogs - a fact that you admit knowledge of. These animals are food items to certain cultures. Again, you've chosen to look at the acts in question without taking into account the fact that a culture different from your own sees things differently than you do. Unless you're trying to say that every person that eats a dog is an animal torturing barbarian, that is.
Let me set a scene for you. You've been placed from birth in a large pen with other guys and gals of the same age. As you grow older, you move to different pens. In these pens, there's really no room to move or get any sort of exercise. The food is good, but it's the same stuff every day. Oh, you also have to stand in your own excrement and step over - on the rare occasion you're able to move - the bodies of your fallen family and friends until someone can come in and clean them up. They'd let the bodies lie, but they'd rather you not catch a disease and die, too. Real nice of 'em, innit? One day, you're finally taken from the pen and you're taken to a room where your head is unceremoniously lopped off. Would you consider yourself tortured?
The interesting thing, of course, is that scenarios a lot like that actually played out in the course of our own history - and it was called torture. The turkeys raised for food, otoh, do not get to make such a claim. And, again, if it's ok to torture one type of food it's ok to do the same to another. Just because you don't eat it don't mean it's off limits.
Oh, and if that wasn't enough of a demonstration of current, daily torture, I'll end this section with one word: veal.
I understand all the Vick Apologists out there... I really do.. it doesn't upset you and that is fine. It is your right to your opinion, but get off your soap box until you can make an argument that doesn't sound so much like your reaching for whatever rhetoric might just fit the situation . Your's was a pisspoor attempt at logic and I ask that you try again.
Well, if I'm reaching, maybe you can give me a hand to get back? Oh, not from way out where you are, though. Don't tell me about standing on a soap box while you're so eagerly climbing your own. And if you want to get into ridiculous, BS arguments, look no further than your own. You've decided that no culture can be used to measure behavior other than your own, placed greater value on one animal over another and also gave us this gem: 'I don't eat it, so it ain't food'. You've also told us that it's not torture when it's not done to a dog and that it's positively not torture so long as you eat what you've tortured after the fact. You can have it both ways, though. I will give you that. There's a word for people that do that, though. It's hypocrite.
I'd ask you to try again, but you've already shown that you're not willing to listen to anyone that doesn't think exactly the same way you do (ex: measuring everything from your own cultural viewpoint alone, 'I don't eat it so it isn't food'). I've wasted enough of my time.
There is a difference in the breeding of dogs and chickens as well as other food animals.
All dogs have a remarkable amount of inbreeding at their core, even the mutts. The point is that dogs are wolves so inbred that their brains stay like those of wolf pups their whole lives and never really mature. Thus they always innately crave love and affection just like little puppies because we bred them to crave our love and affection. Willingly punishing and torturing something that just wants to earn and receive your love and affection is simply wrong.
Second, chickens are stupid compared to dogs and not achieve those feelings of love and affection that dogs can. Further, chickens are killed to eat which is acceptable. It is just as wrong to engage in cockfighting (I wonder if the censor will get that...) as it is dogfighting. Killing a dog to eat it is not as bad as engaging the dog in dogfighting. Not by a longshot.
One could argue that blowing an innocent puppy's head off with a shotgun for fun is no different than shooting and killing a deer to eat it because they both end up dead. But, the difference is that we place a different value on killing things for food and killing things to watch thenm suffer or just for the heck of killing them. Even if a hunter just uses his prey as a trophy and eats none of it such hunting still serves the purpose of controlling the wild population and preventing overcrowding which can result in epidemics or starvation of groups from year to year.
Anyway, big game this weekend. The University of Kentucky plays the University of Louisville in a state rivalry game.
Go CATS!
I've heard some get less time with murder (or some form of homicide) than Vick did with dogfighting and animal cruelty. Not saying what he did was alright, but if my last statement is actually true (I didn't research this), that is pretty messed up to be honest. Then again, some might think I'm nuts as I exterminate snapping turtles with a machete and raid geese nests.
Zb. What culture? If you haven't noticed I was raised in the South.
Infact if you asked most Southerners if what Michael Vick did was okay, in -any- form 99 percent of the time they would tell you "no". Which is where Dog/cockfighting are at their most prevalent.
You are just a ****ed up individual if you enjoy dogfighting, and torturing and killing animals just to get your jollies.
I've heard some get less time with murder (or some form of homicide) than Vick did with dogfighting and animal cruelty. Not saying what he did was alright, but if my last statement is actually true (I didn't research this), that is pretty messed up to be honest. Then again, some might think I'm nuts as I exterminate snapping turtles with a machete and raid geese nests.
This is true. Donte Stallworth got less than a month for running over a man walking home from work. He was drunk and speeding. He immediately confessed, but a man was still dead. The reason for his light sentence was that he paid the family a large (undisclosed) sum of money and they decided that they did not want to go through the pain of a trial. The NFL commissioner - Roger Goodell - has suspended him indefinitely, however. That means at least one year. Since Donte was on the decline and sort of old for a football player, it also likely means he's done. We'll see, I guess.
Pac Man Jones ran afoul of the law somewhere around 13 times in one year. His worst offense was starting a brawl that left a man shot and paralyzed. No jail. The commish decided to let Pac Man play after sitting a year.
Michael Vick tortured and killed dogs. He also financed the operation which means it also ran when he was not there. He went to prison for two years and lost pretty much everything. The commishdecided that he showed true remorse - something he did not state he saw with anyone else that he's reinstated nor has he asked them to do so (for Vick, it was a requirement for consideration - not even a guarantee of playing again). Vick is also working with the HSUS (an organization I happen to loathe, but we can't win every battle) in order to educate young men brought up in a similar way to himself to try and curb the spread of dogfighting in urban areas. Michael also has the support of Tony Dungy - former coach of the Colts - who spent a ton of time with him mentoring him while he was in prison and trying to help him cope with all that happened. Vick has also gone on television and explained the situation as it happened and owned all of the guilt. All of it. In addition, the man was always, always involved with charity work in his hometown and in Atlanta - a fact his attorneys desperately wanted him to share while on trial. His response? No. Why? Because crowing about the good you do makes it hollow.
Considering all I've stated about MV when compared to just one case - Pac Man - is it hard to see why he's allowed to play again? He's missed more time than men who've been arrested multiple times (Pac Man, Chris Henry, etc) and he has nothing on his record beyond this one arrest. Others that have done worse played sooner. I know you didn't ask for all of that, but I was kinda on a roll. ;)
Zb. What culture? If you haven't noticed I was raised in the South.
Infact if you asked most Southerners if what Michael Vick did was okay, in -any- form 99 percent of the time they would tell you "no". Which is where Dog/cockfighting are at their most prevalent.
You are just a ****ed up individual if you enjoy dogfighting, and torturing and killing animals just to get your jollies.
Umm. I never said anything positive about dog fighting. Just makin' that clear.
What culture? Well, it's an urban culture that even came out to support him. Just because you haven't seen it does not mean it does not exist. When all of this first happened, there were all sorts of programs out that addressed the dog fighting culture. Right now - as we speak - Michael Vick is an acting spokesman for the HSUS. His goal? To try and teach kids why it's wrong and get them out of the culture before they start. If that's not enough, there were a couple of NFL players of similar background that came out in support of Vick when he was arrested. The reason was that they, too, saw nothing wrong with dog fighting. They were brought up with it. So yes, there is a culture that exists. Not enough? Here's a wiki about dog fights that talks a little about the culture I mentioned.
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That makes it several times that a variant of this disturbing sort of argument has been used: 'It's not food because I don't eat it' and 'It's not part of my culture so there's no culture behind it'. That's a very, very close minded approach to this. And, in part because of that (how can I argue against stubborn refusal to take into account all aspects of the situation and casual dismissal of points of view not espoused by the opposition?) and even more so because this thread is supposed to be about football and I kind of like it, I am officially done with this tangent. Argue away.
/waste of time
Now that that's finished, I didn't do so well with my Monday night picks. Well, both teams I picked to win won, but I had thought that both game were going to be boring blowouts. Obviously, I was wrong. With New England, it seems Brady was a bit more rusty than I thought he would be. After 53 weeks without playing, though, that's understandable. The thing is, they just seemed like a worse team overall. If Brady finds his groove and the defense toughens up a bit, they'll be fine.
The second game is easier for me to explain. I forgot how bad the Chargers really are. Playing in a terrible division will make ok teams look good (see: Arizona) and, for whatever reason, I just let that slip my mind. Were the Raiders improved? Sure. On defense. Maybe. The offense looked like a college team at best. It was really easy to see after the NE/Buff game, too. After watching Brady - even though he was off - and Trent Edwards - even though he's ... Trent Edwards - Jamarcus looked like he still wasn't ready. Will he ever be? Who cares. It's the Raiders. The rushing attack looked ok, though.
The best thing about teams like the Raiders and Lions is that us Browns fans have other teams we can occasionally gloat over. The thing is, I actually think the Raiders improved more over the off season than the Browns did. Time will tell, I guess.
I dunno about the Raiders improving more than the Browns. Percentage wise maybe. But that's not saying much. The Browns at least in their debut game didn't look like total morons the entire time and against a strong team no less.
In that regard the Browns performed better than Carolina did on it's opening day...... Where up until Moore took the field they were playing like sluggish, hung over and overweight people... and is it me or does alot of Carolina's line up seem to be out of shape physically?
That's true. While Quinn had his moron moments (the ball is too big for my hands! aaarrrrghh! :P), he did look much more prepared than Russel did. I didn't get to see the Raiders on defense much cuz I had to go to sleep, but I do know that the Browns def did a great job until late in the game. If you look at the fact that this was the first game and therefore the first time in a year anyone has played full time, the fact that our best defender (Shaun Rogers) didn't play preseason at all and the sluggish, pretty bad play of the offense leading to more time on the field for the defense, they did pretty good. They're still a long, long way from elite or even good status, but they have improved. I'll guardedly amend my statement and see what happens.
I didn't see the Panthers game. I did, however, read about it. $20 million extension for a guy that threw 4 pics and fumbled in his opener? Yeah, that's gotta sting. I was on the fence about rootin' for 'em when you first asked, Micha, but now I'm totally against it. :P I mean, isn't following the Browns punishment enough? There is some good news, though. It seems Jake really wants to start again so you'll probably get to see if he can break a record. The record for pic's thrown in a game, but whatever. :P
I keep hoping they'll remove Jake because he's had brain damage. That man has the most vacant stare that I've seen out of anyone short of Old professional boxers. There's like no one home upstairs.
Carolina's projected to have a 9-7 year this year. With a decent shot at the playoffs. SO I'm not too worried yet. Especially since The Eagles are just so damn good in their playstyle.
All of our good moves came from when we threw to multiple people instead of constantly throwing to Steve Smith. (who's frankly always overcovered because everyone knows he's a threat) The Eagles have a very good playstyle in that they can throw to almost anyone.
What's sad is we have a team where we can throw to four people at any given moment in theory.. .but thanks to Delhomme and his brain trauma he'll only throw to half that many people.
The Panthers have a good defense. (They were able to stop the Eagles... how many times?) But really considering how craptastic the offense has been in the Preseason and in the Debut Game, we need a Defense capable of making plays. Because our Offense sure as hell isn't right now.
If Jake doesn't wake up, you'd better hope your backup is the next Matt Cassel. Otherwise, the season is likely done. Still, I'd rather the only problems my home town team had to face were with a dopey quarterback. Our QB could be pretty good one day. And that's about all we got. Though we do have the best Special Teams player in the game in Josh Cribbs - he's an amazing return man and also typically leads the ST with tackles, too (that's huge) - and a pretty good kicker in Dawson. Too bad that Mangenious is doing his best to alienate them. He's giving Cribbs more time on the field - which is good - but he won't help him get more money (that he deserves). And he doesn't want them to pay Dawson, either. Cuz, you know, it's easy as hell to just go out and sign a good, quality place kicker. ****es.
Cribbs was amazing while we had him. I thought Carolina was stupid for letting him go.
Cleveland's always had major problems with management. Even when they get several good team members, they either never pay them enough to stay, or never let them play.
although the Steelers got off to a slow start, it was a game against a very good team in the Titans.
Titans? Tough? Weren't the steelers something like a 6 point favorite for the game? That means the steelers should have kicked their ass up and down the field. but they didn't.
At least, your team had a good game.
Yes I'm still sore about Sunday.
Yeah unfortunately Carolina is my team.
Yet Philidelphia is my Honest Favorite for the Superbowl this year. They are just too well rounded to really be able to stop them. Following them is the Steelers of course. The Steelers are just so professional. Third is probably Carolina. IF we stop using Delhomme.
If Delhomme suddenly Lrn2quarterback I'd be expecting alot more out of Carolina.. but hey, he's not managed to do that since he started for us.. why would he now? 
I think they've just gotta warm up. As the weather cools down the Steelers will pick up steam. Promise.
Carolina should be doing REALLY well right now, because we are a Southern team and it's still warm.
I'd like the Saints if their Defense wasn't so terrible.
I had a good sunday. I got to watch the 49ers beat the Cardinals.
Z_B's Superbowl picks:
It's too damned early to pick. :P I do like the Eagles, but McNabb just got his ribs broken. If he can't play or can but is impaired, they may struggle. With not much of a real passing threat, Westbrook is going to run into serious trouble. And he'll likely get too beat up to really matter down the road. The injury to McNabb may have doomed the Eagles. Again. Even when Vick becomes available (he officially made the 53 man roster), he's got more rust than Brady and couldn't toss the rock like McNabb on his best day. They're a team to watch.
The Steelers have issues. The offensive line is still sort of questionable and the running game is even more of a concern. The defense - while still scary - is going to be without it's most dominant force (and one of the most dominant in the game. period.) for up to six weeks. We'll see how that secondary looks without Troy and we'll also find out how tough the linebackers are without him covering their butts. Oh, and some of the blitzes just won't be the same.
The Patriots? Next. The offense may come around, but the defense looked downright pitiful.
Arizona? Next.
What are some of them other Superbowl teams we got? Minnesota may make it - if they can keep Favre in check, AD stays healthy and they don't have any defensive implosions. The Falcons could have a shot, but I don't think they're really there yet. The Saints look good, but they always do - and then they implode. The Ravens are a trendy pick after their offense underwent a major, major overhaul and they put up some serious points. All that and the defense is still scary as hell, too.
Did I miss anybody? I don't think so. But, then again, I tend to brick with this stuff for some reason. Debate and alternate PoVs are welcome!
The 49ers are looking good this year. I don't think they'll get to the super bowl though.
Washington is supposed to look good, but I've not seen them.
Yeah, I hear the 'Niners are pretty good. And I also don't know anything about the 'Skins. Heh.
The Skins looked unprepared when they played the Giants. One game isn't enough to make a judgement about a season but there division is the toughest so they'll have to pick it up a lot if they hope to make it.
I am totally in agreement with ZB about Minnesota and the Superbowl. My fear is it may take too long for the recievers of the Vikings to get used to Favre and their unfamiliarity showed in the Browns game.
Adrian Peterson is a hell of a running back and he reminds me alot of a young Marshall Faulk but I don't believe he'll be as effective if the Vikings don't develop a reliable passing game. If Adrian has to carry the team eventually he will be hurt and the Vikings chance at the Superbowl will go bye-bye.
College football reigns in my house. I do like the pros, but not nearly as much as college ball. Favorite team? The Georgia Bulldogs.
Picks this year? Well, I'll stick with the picks I made at the end of last season: Florida vs Texas.
I'm glad the BCS also saw it my way. Why did I pick them at the end of last season?
1. Tim Tebow is the greatest college football player in history. I swear he has a cape underneath his jersey.
2. Colt McCoy is returning along with his ENTIRE OFFENSIVE LINE. If that doesn't mean they win the Big-12, then I'll be totally surprised.
Oh and by the way, Florida will three-peat.
GO SEC!
Meh, I dunno about Texas. Ohio State gave them all they could handle last year (and should have won). Florida, though, is also my pick as Nat Champ. They're just too good. And they've got pretty much everybody back, too (IIRC).
EDIT: Unless OSU can beat Penn State at Happy Valley (which very well could happen), I think you'll see the Lions in the big show. They're schedule is something a high school team could come out of with a winning record. As they're already top 10 and the other teams up above still have actual, real games to play, it's pretty likely Penn is gonna go. And get DOMINATED by Florida. If not them, maybe USC. They're ok but they also like to give a game a year away.
Yeah, I hear the 'Niners are pretty good.
then you probably didn't watch their game. they played horrible for two quarters. They would have lost if the cardinals didn't have something like 20 penalties called against them.
then you probably didn't watch their game. they played horrible for two quarters. They would have lost if the cardinals didn't have something like 20 penalties called against them.
Yeah, I didnt see the game. I read some analysis and the picture painted was generally an ok one. Not great, not bad but certainly improved. Then again, the Cardinals just aren't as good as their SB appearance last year led many to believe. So I guess the jury's still out on the Niners. I don't really care on whit about 'em, but I wouldn't mind seeing Singletary do a good job.
Zombie you make some good points--espcially about Joe-Pa's light schedule this year. And, you are exactly right about USC's chances. USC looked really good against a TOUGH Ohio State Defense. I'm surprised they won that game. Ohio State played WELL.
You know, I WOULD really like to see Fla vs the University of Spoiled Children, and to have Florida beat the crud out of them. But, if by some miracle USC was able to beat Florida, that would shut my anti PAC-10 mouth forever. PAC-10 (Pathetic A** Conference)
But in order for that to happen, Texas will have to lose a game and I just don't see that happening given the rest of their schedule.
Texas is another team that you can't totally count on. I have no idea why, but those high powered, high profile teams drop easy games. But yeah, Texas certainly has a real shot and if they can maintain, Joe Pa will be left out. And that's good for everyone. The Big 10 can't stand another drubbing after the team 'looks good' cuz they played nobodies.
I guess that first TD USC had in the 'Shoe wasn't actually a TD. If you look at the still, his knee was down and the ball didn't cross the plane. In fact, it's over a foot short. Doesn't matter, but it is interesting, IMO.
I'm also sort of concerned about the upcoming Toledo game. They've racked up over 500 yards in both of their games this year. And this game will be played at the Brown's stadium. Still, it's Toledo. Man, it would sure suck if they haven't recovered from that loss, though.
Not real sure what to think about my beloved Chicago Bears.
On the one hand, Jay Cutler is the kind of QB that needs to be set in the pocket in order to be effective. I am not sure the Bears' offensive line is effective enough to be able to keep Cutler protected for a long period of time; if you blitz properly you can punch through and rattle him. Plus, Cutler lost his temper a couple of times against Green Bay and that is the LAST thing we Chciag fans want to see from him. The offensive line also needs to do a better job in run blocking; 85 yards on 31 total carries will NOT get the job done.
On the other hand, the Bears did a good job overall of making adjustments in the second half against the Packers' defense. Cutler put it together nicely in the second half (although that last-second interception killed the Bears), and I though the Bears defense did well overall even with Urlacher out. They just made one bad play that allowed the Packers to score the winning TD.
Urlacher being out for the season is going to hurt, though. I realize he is not necessarily the player he was three or four years ago but his leadership and intangibles will harm the Bears the rest of the year.
Man, I do not know what to expect of Game 2 against Pittsburgh; something tells me the Bears will be 0-2 unless the offensive line can pick it up.
TheSeventhStooge...
Yeah, the Steelers are a test for anyone. They couldn't run at all during their first game and Ben was picked off at least once. And he still threw for nearly 400 yards. And they still won. I don't see da Bears pulling it off. Pittsburgh is not unbeatable, but they are substantially better than Chicago, IMO.
Don't feel bad, though. Wait 'till the Steelers come to my town. Poor, poor Brownies ... 
Like I said before, anyone that plays against Cleveland should get a Bye instead. Save Cleveland the trouble of having to get raped by a good team.
If Da Bears are going to have any chance against the Steelers it's going to be now, rather than later in the season. As it is they've got an Uphill battle against them.
That's a good point. Once the Steelers get a li'l more settled (and Troy comes back), they'll be even tougher to beat. Still, it's possible Cutler could settle in Chicago, too, and make them tougher. I dont know about that, though. Cutler's a gun slinger - he will always make mistakes. Like Favre in his prime but without the accuracy/field vision. Still, he has a chance to become really good. Not in time for the Steelers, but still.
I don't think teams playing Cleveland should get a bye. They have a shot at winning one or two games, you know. :P And I'd like to see if maybe, maybe another terrible season of unending **** will wake up the owner enough to maybe, maybe actually try to put a team together that doesnt play soccer. D-bag.
That's a good point. Once the Steelers get a li'l more settled (and Troy comes back), they'll be even tougher to beat. Still, it's possible Cutler could settle in Chicago, too, and make them tougher. I dont know about that, though. Cutler's a gun slinger - he will always make mistakes. Like Favre in his prime but without the accuracy/field vision. Still, he has a chance to become really good. Not in time for the Steelers, but still.
I don't think teams playing Cleveland should get a bye. They have a shot at winning one or two games, you know. :P And I'd like to see if maybe, maybe another terrible season of unending **** will wake up the owner enough to maybe, maybe actually try to put a team together that doesnt play soccer. D-bag.
I think Favre is always in his prime :P He just needs to get settled in with the new team. And decide whether or not he's retired.
True, there is always a potential game against Detroit I'm sure. What is Cleveland's schedule this year? I've not even looked at it.
Heh. I honestly haven't looked at it, either. It's hard to get fired up about the Browns. Knowing their schedule just means you know who's gonna beat 'em down next or which gimme game they might blow. :P
Favre is done. Done! He should have stayed quit after the Pack. He really should have stayed out after the Jets. He's still playing hurt, too. His biceps tendon is ok, but he's got a torn rotator cuff. He's slow and doesn't have the same accuracy. He's got the zip, though. I mean, it's not like I'd be all pissed if he was wearing orange and brown, but he's not the same man. Still, he's better that quite a few starters out there even in this deteriorated state. With the recent success of some of the rookie QBs we've seen lately, his time is over. I'm just glad the drama is over. Now we can get some interesting news, you know? At least he's kind of admitted what a d-bag he's been. Have you seen any of those Best Buy commercials he's in? They're funny as hell. :D
Shoot Zb if he lowered himself to wear the orange and brown I'd actually watch The Browns.
I think Favre has some miles left in him. Maybe two more seasons worth but he's got some left in him. He should probably take a position in team management though after these next two seasons, maybe as a QB coach.
Preferably of course for Carolina so that assuming there is any brain cells left in Delhomme that still function properly he could learn from Favre.
And his commercials are awesome.
I was surprised that he'd do that given his status as a diva, you know? Still, it was refreshing to see and took away some of my annoyance at his drama-queeness.
I don't know if he's got all that much left in the tank, though. As long as the offensive line holds up (a question mark considering that the woeful Browns were able to manage it for quite a bit of the game on both run and pass plays) and as long as All Day can play, well, all day, Favre will be ok. He'll make some stupid throws, but that's what he does. As long as he plays mostly a conservative game and the running game is the focus, if he peppers in the occasional 'Favre magic', things will work out well for the Vikes. Given a bit more time, he may look damned good. His timing isn't there yet (and that's why we go to training camp, Brett) but should improve with more practice with the receiver corps. I still like the Vikes for the SB. I'm not sure, but I think they have a real shot.
If the Vikings go to the SB and take it, will that make Favre the oldest QB to win a Super Bowl?
I say Favre takes the SB.
2009 has been the year of old men so far. (Just look at who's leading the championship in F1 and who is number 2, look at the Nascar point standings, 3 the ALMS series championship points)
I can't remember if it would or not. I heard something about it recently, but I can't recall what it was. If that would be the case, though, you know that's all they'd be talking about leading up to the game.
If you put Favre in the big show with AD running the ball for him, I think you'd have to favor him. Heavily.
The Vikes do have a shot, but they've also got Philly to worry about. If McNabb is healthy enough to go and he (and Westbrook) can stay that way, it'll be tough for anyone to take them out, IMO.
Speaking of old QBs have you seen Joe Namath recently? He looks like he is ready to host "Tales from the Crypt"...
Philly is going to be an utter terror for any team to play against, judging from what I saw in the Carolina game.
How fortunate that If I Remember the schedule properly, Carolina gets to deal with them again this year. *Sad face*
I'll judge just how good Philly is going to be this year based off of Carolina's game this sunday. If Carolina does well, then Philly is disgusting.
Philly's got to worry about the same stuff they always do, though. The health of McNabb and Westbrook. And that's something they've never been able to count on. So, they're good, but they could really, really easily fall apart.
Yeah, the Steelers are a test for anyone. They couldn't run at all during their first game and Ben was picked off at least once. And he still threw for nearly 400 yards. And they still won. I don't see da Bears pulling it off. Pittsburgh is not unbeatable, but they are substantially better than Chicago, IMO.
Don't feel bad, though. Wait 'till the Steelers come to my town. Poor, poor Brownies ...
I think you are right on this one. But if Cutler can keep his cool and the offensive line does its job, Da Bearssss might be able to pull it off. I don't really see it, though, but I have seen weirder things happening.
The one positive is that the Bears will be facing a Steeler defense without one of its best players, but then you could look at it and say the same thing about the Steelers facing a somewhat weaker Bears defense.
TheSeventhStooge...
Yeah, Troy being out is a big deal. Bigger, IMO, than the loss of Urlacher. He's just not as much of a difference maker as #43 is. No dig at him - nobody is that much of a difference maker in the league.
I don't think Cutler is comfortable enough with the Bears to be settled just yet. After coming off of a horrible, horrible game at Lambeau that should have been a win - if not for him - and then facing a great team in the Steelers, I doubt he's going to find his legs just yet. That and the fact that the Bears don't have anyone in the receiving corps as good as Brandon Marshall was in Denver means Cutler isn't going to look as good as he can be. He's infinitely better than Orton, but he's still got a ways to go.
Philly's got to worry about the same stuff they always do, though. The health of McNabb and Westbrook. And that's something they've never been able to count on. So, they're good, but they could really, really easily fall apart.
Well even without McNabb for a very long stint in the game Philly still looked good.
Yeah, they've got some tools (not the bad kind :P). The thing is, when your star QB is out, your star RB needs to take up the slack. When your star RB has durability issues, that creates some worry about how he's gonna look down the stretch - when it really matters. That's why I think McNabb going down is a real issue. Unless Michael Vick can throw as good as McNabb ... ok, I was just kidding. :P
Yeah, Troy being out is a big deal. Bigger, IMO, than the loss of Urlacher. He's just not as much of a difference maker as #43 is. No dig at him - nobody is that much of a difference maker in the league.
I don't think Cutler is comfortable enough with the Bears to be settled just yet. After coming off of a horrible, horrible game at Lambeau that should have been a win - if not for him - and then facing a great team in the Steelers, I doubt he's going to find his legs just yet. That and the fact that the Bears don't have anyone in the receiving corps as good as Brandon Marshall was in Denver means Cutler isn't going to look as good as he can be. He's infinitely better than Orton, but he's still got a ways to go.
First of all, no offense taken against Urlacher; I can see why Troy is considered a bigger difference maker than Brian, so no big deal there.
The wide receivers on the Bears did give me a little bit of encouragement in one aspect- If the ball gets into their hands, they will catch it. Having said that, I don't know why Cutler didn't utilize their tight ends more; I strongly feel that Desmond Clark and Greg Olson are among the best pair of TEs in the NFC and for Cutler to not throw to him is very odd.
Gotta go for now; I'll give some more insights into Chicago as I have time to so
TheSeventhStooge...
Yeah, I didnt see the game. I read some analysis and the picture painted was generally an ok one. Not great, not bad but certainly improved. Then again, the Cardinals just aren't as good as their SB appearance last year led many to believe. So I guess the jury's still out on the Niners. I don't really care on whit about 'em, but I wouldn't mind seeing Singletary do a good job.
Well they didn't improve. their stats of the game would say they got worse. Last few years they had some great running yards. This game Gore had something like 30 carries and averaged about .8 yrds per carry. I would not call that an improvement. Those sports people must not know what they are talking about if they think that this was an imporvement. Mabye it is because they beat the crappy cardinals that got lucky and made it to the super bowl.
Well, Lord help. Arkansas is up 7-0 against the dawgs. I hope Georgia can rally back--lot of game left. At least Air Force is up against New Mexico! Go Air Force!
BUT onto more pressing news. WHAT IS UP WITH WASHINGTON beating USC?!?!?!? And what about OREGON!! No freaking way! I can't believe they beat Utah..amazing. My disrespect of the PAC-10 is giving way, it seems.
Well, the bulldogs have tied it up against the razorbacks...all is well.
Later.
Well, the UK Wildcats pulled it out after trying to give it away from about halftime to through the third quarter.
They were up 17 to 7 and driving down for a score with the 1st half coming to a close and screwed up. They let the clock run from 1 minute down to 30 seconds and then called timeout. It was the last timeout of the half.
Then they got a first down on the 6 yard line but got an off-sides on the next play to make it first and goal from the 11 with 15 seconds and no timeouts.
Then they threw a pass over the middle at the line of scrimmage and tried to get back to the line in time to down it. However, on the play the cstadium clock worker didn't start the clock and the refs arbitrarily ruled that 15 seconds ran off the clock. (It probably would have)
So, in the last minute they stupidly ran 30 seconds off the clock, blew their last timeout, got an off-sides called while on the six yard line and made a stupid pass at the line of scrimmage in the middle of the field when the play started with only 15 seconds.
UGGH!
To make things worse, not only did they blow a scoring opportunity but they had to kick off to Louisville to start the 2nd half.
Louisville started the third quarter with a touchdown.
Then UK continued where they left off with mistakes at the end of the first half and had one interception and two turnovers in the third quarter.
That was a lot of ugly football smashed into a very small span of time.
But, they put it back together in the fourth quarter with 2 touchdowns and won 31 to 27.
Go CATS!
It gets rough now for the cats.
They play the #1 ranked University of Florida in KY next week and then the week after they go on the road to play the #4 ranked University of Alabama which will probably move up to number 3 since USC lost.
Today was also the first of 11 straight games without a week off.
So after Chicago goes 3 and out, Pittsburgh marches 92 yards down the field, takes up over 8 minutes, and scores a TD. 7-0 Steelers.
Anyone out there want to wager me that the Bears will lose the ball on a turnover after the second play?
Stupid Bears... Then again, am I surprised? Nope.
TheSeventhStooge...
So after Chicago goes 3 and out, Pittsburgh marches 92 yards down the field, takes up over 8 minutes, and scores a TD. 7-0 Steelers.
Anyone out there want to wager me that the Bears will lose the ball on a turnover after the second play?
Stupid Bears... Then again, am I surprised? Nope.
TheSeventhStooge...
Well, they didn't lose the ball on the second play, which means I would have lost the bet. And they go 3 and out again. Oh boy, this is looking to be a mess very quickly.
TheSeventhStooge...
Vikings once again started off badly in the first half against a poor team. They went into the 2nd Half trailing the Lions 0-10. Are your kidding me, the Lions. I mean, the Vikings turned it on in the 2nd Half and scored 27 unanswered points but that's two games now where they were playing poor teams and got beat up in the first half.
I hate to think what's going to happen when they actually play teams that have had winning seasons recently or the Super Bowl Champion Steelers. I did just now look at their schedule and found that their schedule appears to be rather weak so who knows.
Bumbling Packers, how do you manage to lose to one of the worse teams, Cincinnati?
Oh well, least those bloody Patriots lost.
The niners one again and this time they actually looked good. Gore had two runs both 75+ yrds. One was for 79 yards and the other for 80. The niner defense is looking good. Now the passing game needs to get worked on some cuz it's still a bit stinky.
Wow, and I mean WOW. The Bears actually won the game! I am not being sarcastic here but, holy cow! I did NOT expect that to happen when all the signs pointed to not just a Steeler win, but a Steeler slaughter.
But Matt Forte and the offensive line had better start getting some rushing yards or else the 1-1 record will be a mirage...
TheSeventhStooge...
I missed the end of the Carolina game, okay the third and fourth quarters both.
We need to work on our defense, apparently. Our Offense was actually good, lively and well balanced. It was hard to believe that this was the same team that played last week. But we gave up points early on. What can we not have a good D and a good offense in the same week or something?
20-28 was the final score. Atlanta won, which is about what I expected but I think we've got a real shot at a Win coming in the next game. Atlanta and Philly are both pretty tough to crack offensively.
I'm glad to see that the team is putting itself together though. Lots of progress compared to last game. Though I do think the Defense needs to learn how to read plays better.
I hope they do. How good are the Cowboys this year? Cause that's who Carolina has to deal with next.
*shudder*
The problem with me and Carolina is I remember the Super Bowl, I remember who on my favorite team is a Huge Liability and that man is the Starting QB.
He has a history of losing us games which we had no business losing due to interceptions.
I'm thinking we'll be okay this year, especially if we improve in week 3 like we did this weekend. Literally it was like going from watching the Detroit Lions, to watching us in our Hey Day at the superbowl in just one game.
Going up against the Saints assuming no one important on that team is injured by the time we get there, is going to be a Bloody Murder Game, because the Saints have almost zero defense, but their Offense is almost unstoppable. We've got a damned good offense. I'm expecting that game to be all about attrition and high scores because of that.
Ok. I was wrong. I thought the Bears would get pwnt. They didn't. I thought the Pack would pwn. They didn't. I thought Ohio State would have at least some temporary trouble with the Rockets. And, even with Pryor's two picks, they didn't. I also thought Philly would win even without McNabb. Duh. And now for the 'right' stuff:
I was right about the Falcons. They scared me a bit, but they pulled it out. So they have officially earned the right to be 'my' team. I used to like them back when Deion played and also through the Vick years so I'm not exactly bandwagon hopping. I was right about USC, too. I knew they'd give one away - they always do - I just didn't know it would be so soon. And now that performace OSU gave looks much worse. Yay. Oh, I was also correct in my thoughts that the Pats may be in trouble.
Stuff I learned: Drew Brees is the ****ing man. The Saints are a fun team to watch. They really, really are. The Cowboys still don't have it. I mean, if Romo could have just thrown the ball to the guys wearing less blue than the others, they would have dominated that game. And I also learned that either Eli is clutch or the 'Boys fall apart when it counts. Still, fun to watch.
I enjoy lots of Saints games. Every snippet seems awesome.
Oh and the Micha curse might continue. IIRC every Panther game I've ever watched we've lost. Everyone that I have missed we've won.
Given that the next game is on ESPN and I don't watch that crap network, the Panthers might win from that alone. I could be wrong though. I don't keep track of such things typically.
Be an interesting experiment to see what happens. I'll stay away for two games. I'll probably tune into the Saints in the mean time because watching them play is amazing.
Yeah, every time we watch a 'big' OSU game at my friend's place, they lose. At first it was blowouts and now the more familiar (and irritating) snatch defeat from the jaws of victory deal they've got going on.
I wouldn't call myself a Saints 'fan', but I'm a fan of the Saints, if that makes any sense at all. They're a blast to watch. That offense is awesome.
After watching the Eagles use some Wildcat stuff (and have Westbrook attempt a pass), I'm even more excited about the return of MV. They may have something, there. Well, they will when McNabb comes back. Kolb was ok, Garcia is ok and Vick is ok. They - like everybody else - need a good QB. And they have one. On the sideline. Like he pretty much always is. :P
I wonder if Crap Defense is something the NFC south has resigned to doing, because Atlanta's D frankly is "okay", Carolina's D is Servicable, and New Orleans D is almost non existent. I think there's a philosophy difference in the NFC south compared to say the Steelers division. Apparently down here we don't do Defense, then again if we get offenses like Atlanta, New Orleans and Carolina (typically) has as trade offs it might just be worth it.
Certainly makes for awesome to watch games. I've liked the Saints for a couple of years now, (actually since Katrina, I love underdogs and talk about a team that really is putting an effort to get some Heart into their city) but I've not followed them too closely, because I do have a home state team.
I'll definitely be watching them though when I can from here on. They destroyed Philly.
Yeah, it certainly seems like it. Like there's some sort of 'huge arm, no defense' philosophy versus a 'running back is king, crippling defense' one. Maybe. The Pats used to have all of it. Now, notsomuch.
Heh. Yeah, I bet it was murder on a ton of fantasy teams. What a goofball weekend of football.
I don't know if I were doing fantasy my bets would have been hedged on the Saints. They've performed so far more or less like I expect them to.
Once they run up against a team with a fully healthy and infamously strong defense, is when it might get dicey for them.
The Saints seemed to me like a good bet. Especially early in the season. (like all High Powered offense teams tend to be before they start getting injured and maimed as the season goes on)
Well, fantasy works on a player basis - not a team. You 'draft' players from different teams to play on your team. In other words, my team could have Tom Brady throwing to Steve Smith with AD in the backfield. With a weekend of 'upsets', players likely didn't perform as well as many fantasy 'owners' predicted. Given the chance, for example, I'd start Tony Romo in a home game. If I did, though, I'd have been screwed cuz he absolutely sucked yesterday. It's - I'm certain - more complex than that, but this is how it works as far as I understand. Cuz I don't play.
Heh. That'd be how every one of my weeks went. It seems that whenever I try to make some insightful observation about how something's gonna get played out - and no matter how closely my observations mirror the 'experts' - things always work out differently. But, as they say, that's why they play the games.
I'm glad I don't do Fantasy, closest I'll ever get is Madden 2010 hehe.
Meh I have certain videogames for that. *cough* Armored Core*cough*.
The Vikings have done it again. The '49ers played a great game but a touchdown pass by Favre with only two seconds left secured a 27-24 victory for Minnesota.
The game was a good one, but several passes were made by Brett to one of his recievers (can't think of the guy's name right now) were dropped or just plained missed. I would blame this on unfamiliarity with Favre since he missed training camp but I am more inclined to blame the reciever. That same reciever made a few plays but his misses were very costly and normally in the open field.
Oh well, I'll take a 3-0 start.
Saints took another win home (like that was any surprise), Steelers played poorly on the offense and it lost them the game. On the other hand the Bengals looked very strong.
Now, for the other feel good story in the NFL (The Saints are the first one hehe).
The Detroit Lions have finally broken their losing streak. All of the effort that went into the team, and it culminated in a victory yesterday. Has Detroit finally turned the corner from Loser to Mediocre? We'll find out I guess in their next few games.
Viks all the way! Finally with a decent.... I mean Legendary! QB they can get somewhere lol!
OMG... I am doing horrible in Fantasy Football this year...
It makes me tear my hair out, yet I must play every season...
There must be something wrong with me...
You should try playing Madden instead of fantasy football. Much more gratifying. :P And when lose you can just retry hehe.
One of the things we gamers have been known to do is play a game of Madden, of our team against the next team and compare how our team did in the game, compared to the real game.
My Falcons lost. Oh well. I watched most of the Browns game before I left for D&D. My fiancee and I were literally laughing out loud at how terrible they were. It was entertaining in its awfulness. So, I commend the Browns on a job well done. They're so bad, they make you laugh. I really think they have a shot at matching the Lions' record this year (way to go Lions, btw - though it was kinda close there :P). I've seen some bad Browns teams in my time. None have been as awful as this group.
So ... NCAA football, eh? What the hell is going on this year? A top 10 ranking is almost a curse! (Unless you're Florida, Texas or Alabama :P) Somehow OSU is back at 9. Well, not somehow. Penn State lost to Iowa - by 11 points or something, Cal got absolutely pwnt by unranked - and minus their best player - Oregon and Miami didn't look like the powerhouse everyone thought they were against Va Tech. What a weekend. Tebow leaves in an ambulance, the Bucks get back to back shut outs for the first time in a decade, upsets everywhere. Man, what a year already. And we've also ample evidence that the BCS system needs to go. Playoffs ftw!
Football would be so much better with two simple changes. One, the NCAA adopts a playoff system. It'll never happen cuz of the revenue machine the BCS is, but we can hope. Two, the NFL needs to adopt college rules for overtime. Screw this sudden victory crap. (yeah, sudden victory - sudden death was too scary so it's been PC'd) This one may eventually happen. I'm not sure because it very well could cause games to take much longer than they do now when overtime is required, but think about how amazing it would be to watch, say, Peyton Manning in a shootout with Drew Brees to decide the final score. I don't know about you, but I'm all for that.
What is really wierd about the Browns, is that yesterday they looked nothing like the team that played in the first two games really. At no point did I think "wow they might actually be decent this year" during their last game. If they play this terrible all year, they will BEAT the Lion's losing streak probably by five or six games (meaning it'll go on into next year). They have such crappy team management I can't even believe they are in the NFL.
Initially at the start of this year I thought (and years prior) that if the Bengals and browns were to merge into one team Ohio would have a strong football team well at least if they had the combined resources anyway. Now? PFFFFFT. Forget that. Ohio does have a team, and they still wear orange.. however **** brown isn't anywhere on their uniforms.
I agree about the Overtime change idea. That would rock.
Yeah, it would be awesome if they implemented that change. Makes the game much more exciting and it's a truer test of who's the better team that day.
The Browns are so bad that transferring anyone but maybe Josh Cribbs and Shaun Rogers to the Bengals (I can't call 'em the Bungles now! :P), it would totally ruin them. Heh. Browns suck. Hard. Yesterday it didn't even look like they had cornerbacks on the field. McDonald got beat by a simple curl route every time it was ran in his direction. Take note, teams that play the Browns: Tell whatever receiver that McDonald is 'covering' (lol) to run out and then stop and come back about a yard. Mac won't notice until he's overrun the play by about 5 yards, so you'll also get at least 3 yards after the catch. Well, you'll get more. He can't tackle, either. Oh, our safeties are also really safe - to run over. Good lord they're pathetic. Maybe Ratliff or whatever his name is will start next week. Might as well. The preseason rolls on for the Browns. We're now over 20 games into it and we still don't have a starting QB. Or a defense. Or a coach. Man.
They made some really stupid choices, too. Mangini took Harrison out - the only guy actually gaining yards in any way - and replaced him with the third back. Who promptly did nothing. Why? Oh yeah, cuz he's a terrible coach that only cares about getting him and his closest friends paid for nothing. And that's what the Browns ownership likes to do. Pay for nothing.
I think I'd rather watch a College team play against any NFL team now than watch the browns "play". Or whatever it is they call that travesty.
I was expecting -something- out of them. Anything and what happened? Nothing? Well, something did.... it was The Donkey Show and the browns weren't playing as the Donkey. I'd say maybe the Browns are taking a Dive on purpose... but really that would imply there's enough competence there for them to realize they need some first round of draft picks.
Can't believe it myself that the Bengals are actually doing something for a change. Now the question is can they keep it up or will they lose steam and blow their chance at the playoffs? It has been a long time since they had an actual playoff season.
Hated: Oh god you had me in stitches!
I think the Bengals are looking good this year. I don't know how long they will keep steaming along. But they have a real chance at it as long as key people don't get themselves mauled or maimed.
I think I'd rather watch a College team play against any NFL team now than watch the browns "play". Or whatever it is they call that travesty.
I was expecting -something- out of them. Anything and what happened? Nothing? Well, something did.... it was The Donkey Show and the browns weren't playing as the Donkey. I'd say maybe the Browns are taking a Dive on purpose... but really that would imply there's enough competence there for them to realize they need some first round of draft picks.
Yeah. I don't tkink they're playing for picks because Mangina showed that he really only likes having high picks so that he can trade them for lower ones. What an idiot. He could have taken two of the top 3 linebackers in the draft last time. Instead, he got none. Cuz what we really needed was a center since our linebacker core is so, so good. Moron. He's just after another payday for him and his cronies (he takes his friends wherever he goes - look how many Jets are on the team and how many coordinators he's worked with elsewhere). The best evidence of that was that in an 'effort' to improve the defense, he went out and got his buddy from the Raiders - yes, the nearly last in the league and one of the only teams actually worse than the Browns that year at defense - to coach it. Great move.
@Hated: Old joke is old. And still terribly true. :P :D
I can't say anthing bad about any team. Looks like my tampa bay bucks will repeat and have a zero win season YAY. This new coach of theirs is an idiot, their quarter back ineffective, and their field goal kicker needs to be fired, perferably out of one of the cannons from the pirate ship.
The same flaw the Bengals had in 2005. Whether or not they could have beaten the Steelers then, once Palmer got slammed they stood no chance at all.
Hey!
I said at the brginning of the season that the Steelers are overerated and not as good a team as people think.
The have good defense and a decent QB... and that's about it.
The O-line is shaky, the RB's are "standard" (or a little below), and their receivers are... not the greatest. Hines Ward has got to be the most overrated player in football. Sure, he is a good blocker, one of the best blocking receivers in the NFL, but he plays the slot. And doesn't get a whole lot of balls thrown his way; and when he does, it is usually short yardage.
So, while Pittsburgh has been, and always will be, my team, I don't have very much hope for them this year...
Which is still more hope then the bucks have. At least the stealers have a decent QB.
Yeah? Well at least the Bucs have good ... good ... weather. And that's more than Cleveland's got so there! :P :D
Yeah? Well at least the Bucs have good ... good ... weather. And that's more than Cleveland's got so there! :P :D
LOL. But they can't take the weather with them on the road. I will also say the bucks cheerleaders look really good, but the bad foot ball playing gets in the way of cheerleader watching.
LOL. But they can't take the weather with them on the road. I will also say the bucks cheerleaders look really good, but the bad foot ball playing gets in the way of cheerleader watching.
That's a damned good point. And I so hate it when teams are so terrible the damned game gets filled with replays of them screwing up instead of gratuitous cheerleader shots. I likes me some cheerleadin'. :D
LOL. But they can't take the weather with them on the road. I will also say the bucks cheerleaders look really good, but the bad foot ball playing gets in the way of cheerleader watching.
That's a damned good point. And I so hate it when teams are so terrible the damned game gets filled with replays of them screwing up instead of gratuitous cheerleader shots. I likes me some cheerleadin'. :D
Yup I don't need to see replays of our quarter back being stupid.
If you're a Browns fan, you get to see replays of your quarterbacks looking stupid. :P
If you're a Browns fan, you get to see replays of your quarterbacks looking stupid. :P
Ours threw a football right into the middle of coverage for an inteception right after we had great field position on an awsome return. It was the most boneheaded thing he could have done.
Our first got pulled after a 34 yard performance that he tossed one pic in. The second got to finish because he was approaching 100 yards. With 2 or 3 pics. Two on successive drives. They're terrible. Heh.
So yeah, the Panthers blow wang this year.
Frankly it all comes back to Delhomme and his lack of ability to play. He's not mentally sound, and makes repeated bad judgement calls. Steve Smith didn't help things either last night (here's a hint Delhomme throw to other people when someone isn't working that night and here is another. You are supposed to throw to the guys wearing the same uniforms as you)
Our Defense started off strong and finished okay. But that's not enough when you have a Quarterback who is all but deliberately sabotaging your offense.
He's alot like Dale Earnhardt Jr. Nice guy but really doesn't have the talent to be playing in the league he's in.
I have a theme song for Delhomme.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJoj_Rz1wf0
"He who gets Sacked and he who throws it away. He who brutalizes the timeless game, he is a mongrel, he is a relic that needs to be nailed on the wall" "Don't you wanna ditch him?" "The brainless Qb" "Don't you wanna ditch him?"
Replace lyrics chorus with "Shakey Jakey" "When you gonna leave" "Shakey Jakey" "We need a real QB" "Shakey Jakey" "when you gonna leave" "Shakey Jakey" "What's it gonna be"
keep the next part about the girl.
"Don't you wanna ditch him?" "The brainless QB" "Don't you wanna ditch him" "The brainless QB"
repeat Shakey Jakey chorus.
repeat Don't you wanna ditch him mantra.
Our QB is so bad he is now behind the rookie QB. Thats right our starting quarter back has been moved to third. I'm also sure our coach has no idea what he is doing.
We don't have a starting QB. Nope. We've got 3 or 4 guys that are terrible. We are paying one of them a crapton of money for a fluke season two years ago, though. :P
Nice song, Micha. Jake is what I like to call Cleveland Browns material. I know that stings, but imagine how it feels to be a Browns fan. Oh wait, you don't have to try all that hard to understand, do ya? Heh.
Will: I would rather have your QB than Jake Delhomme. Yes I said that and I mean it. Our EMERGENCY QB is more reliable than Shakey Jakey. (by the way I made up the nickname. Here's to hoping it spreads like cancer and sticks like epoxy to that incompentent qb)
At least your QB is reliably BAD to the point that your team won't willingly start him. Or count on him to throw.
ZB: I bet we go 0 W this year based on how bad Shakey Jakey is playing. We are living proof that without a QB you don't have a team no matter how good everyone else is. At least the Browns suck hard everywhere equally.
Hated: I know. It's unbelievable. Hell I never got why we signed him after the first two seasons he's been with Carolina. If anyone wants to reliably lose Fantasy football put Shakey Jakey as your QB. No matter who else you pick for your Fantasy team, Shakey will drag it down that bad. Just like the real panthers! Great players EVERYWHERE ELSE but good old Shakey.
What gets me is he has ALWAYS been this bad an unreliable (and is only getting worse) and yet he is ALWAYS our starter.
The Clowns and Pansies never play each other, do they? If they don't, we may see two teams go 0-16 for the first time evah! :P
EDIT: 'Course if they do play, it'll be the first time in history two teams go 0-15-1. :D
(Actually, as bad as the Panthers are, they'd still annihilate Cleveland. I've seen enough of both to know that.)
The Clowns and Pansies never play each other, do they? If they don't, we may see two teams go 0-16 for the first time evah! :P
EDIT: 'Course if they do play, it'll be the first time in history two teams go 0-15-1. :D
(Actually, as bad as the Panthers are, they'd still annihilate Cleveland. I've seen enough of both to know that.)
God I wish they could.
Maybe the NFL needs to have a Worst Teams Ever playoffs in addition to the Good teams playoffs.
That way we could see the Brown Stains and the Pantywaists go at it.
Yeah the Browns are terribad this year. I think they are just that incompetent that they won't win at all this year, where the Panthers have so many good people you just have to wonder if they are taking a Dive on purpose. I do agree I think the Panthers would slaughter the browns... then again with Shakey Jakey at the wheel the second the Pansies got a TD interceptions would suddenly flourish and the Defense will go out to lunch.
Is it true next year will be capless? If it is, the poor Browns will be the worst team ever. Our owner won't spend money if the game involves any ball that isn't used in soccer. Why we have a soccer team owning football owner is a mystery.
We do know one thing - the Lions are better than the Browns and Panthers so far. Owwwie!
EDIT: In order for Jake to toss interceptions, the Defense needs to be a defense. In the case of the Browns, they frequently play without corners, safeties and linebackers. Oh, and they usually don't have a line, either. Really, it's a free pass. :P
Yeah I'm rooting for the Lions. They are a Great Cat.. so it's close enough right? :P
ZB: But we do throw interceptions when there is no Defense? What do you call Atlanta? :Roflcopters:
Of course then there's the Super Bowl Incident, where Jakey threw to the wrong team, when NO ONE ELSE was even 1 Near Him. and 2 there wasn't a friendly Jersey anywhere in the vicinity that he threw the ball in.
I'm not happy that they won, to be honest. If the Clowns were 3-0 (lololololololololol), then it'd be a nice story. As it is now, it's just another painful reminder that even mediocrity is likely out of reach.
I hope next year isn't capless (then again it's likely good for us. Banking capital of the country after all :P) because it would utterly destroy alot of franchises... (Okay those franchises weren't worth mentioning anyway looking at you Oakland, and Cleveland)
We'd be Super Bowl caliber with multiple rings if it weren't for Shakey Jakey.
Actually, no cap might help Oakland. Davis is a big spender - he just spends stupidly. Still, if enough big names decided to care about payday more than the rest, he may accidentally field a good team. But there are also rumors that he's pretty well broke (broke as far as NFL owners go, I guess) so no cap might not mean anything in Oakland. Odds are even with the cash he'd botch it, but you never know. Guys love money. Especially lots of it.
No Cap still won't fix craptastic Coaches and Cooridinators either.
That is very true. I do hear that the Raider's head coach has a mean right hook. Maybe an MMA future? :P
Good lord. Even though the Lions won and our home teams are pathetic, it's damned nice to say 'at least I'm not a Raiders fan' and 'at least Jamarcus Russel isn't our QB'. :D
That and you don't have a old geezer with Alzheimer's disease as an owner.
That is very true. I do hear that the Raider's head coach has a mean right hook. Maybe an MMA future? :P
Good lord. Even though the Lions won and our home teams are pathetic, it's damned nice to say 'at least I'm not a Raiders fan' and 'at least Jamarcus Russel isn't our QB'. :D
So, you, Hated and I are having terrible football years.
At least the Saints are doing awesome!
Yeah... too true. "At least I'm not a Raiders fan" Seems to be an almost defacto response to your team sucking at any given point in time. Even Detroit can brag about that one in their worst season ever.
That and you don't have a old geezer with Alzheimer's disease as an owner.
Nope, but we do have Lerner. He likes football, too. Just not American football. Soccer pansy. :P
So, you, Hated and I are having terrible football years.
At least the Saints are doing awesome!
Yeah... too true. "At least I'm not a Raiders fan" Seems to be an almost defacto response to your team sucking at any given point in time. Even Detroit can brag about that one in their worst season ever.
Yeah, I'm backing the Falcons again this year. And, as always, the Pack. But I'm a Clevelander so I will always carry the Brown Blemish. The Saints do look pretty good, though. :D
My teams (since now we have a realistic sample of Carolina games to go off of) for the Superbowl are, The Saints, The Vikings, and as my Dark Horse I'm picking the Lions. Why the Lions you may ask?
One they had a tough first two games and made a good showing. Their confidence is building, and the chemistry on the team is working better and better each time they play so far. Now Victory has been brought to the Lions cult. They've had a taste. And they've been so long without that you can bet your ass that they will want more.
Unlike Carolina who apparently expects victory after their first score and then they quit trying.
I'm not really feeling any clear SB pick just yet. In the NFC, I'd say the Vikings, Saints and Eagles all have a shot. The Packers may make some noise, too. Still, forced to pick I say Vikings. They have the best player in the game (AD) and a good defense. So long as Favre does what he's been doing (overall conservative play with the occasional legend pass), they'll be tough. Hmm. Now that I think of it, I like the Giants, too. Dammit. Too soon to tell. We'll say the Vikes or Giants. Or Eagles. Maybe Eagles.
For the AFC, I like the Colts. Yeah, the Colts. Beyond them ... uhh ... the Patriots and Jets. Yeah, the Jets. I do think the Jets will be more like the Bengals, though - close but not all the way there. Hmm. Indy it is. For now. :P
It is a little early to pick for the SB but I can safely say out of all the teams I'm following which ones are definitely OUT. Carolina. Most definitely they won't even make Wild Card for the play offs. Especially with the Saints in the same conference.
To be semi fair to Carolina I can't think of a year that they've had a good start and finished the season well. They might still be playing in "let's just cash our checks" mode to prevent injuries etc. But, I've never seen them play this badly either.
Browns. Utter garbage like always.
Bengals I think will come close. Damn close might make the Wild Card.
Colts are always a safe bet, as are the Pats (which is why I never pick them :P).
I'm glad I started following Detroit after last year. They were just so bad that I just HAD to see how they were going to do this year. Not even in the "you suck" category of bad either, but in the "you totally fail... to the point I bet a college team could take you" grade of bad. I had to see what they would do to fix that. Talk about cleaning house. Changed almost everything, hell they even changed the uniforms.
It's also nice to say something good News Wise, is coming out of Detroit again. Talk about a city that needs the wins and something to feel good about. Detroit and New Orleans definitely have the need. (which was what originally made me tune into the Saints was Katrina especially since the team made a conscious effort to carry the torch for the city)
Ack! Just realized I left the Ravens out of my AFC SB contender list. They are. Decent offense and great defense. Pretty much exactly what you need.
Wow, Zb you are a traitor. Rooting for the Modelites
I'm not rooting for them - even though they are the real Browns and Troy Smith is on the team (sorta) - I'm just acknowledging their greatness. They're a damned good team. At least so far.
Dang, I'm late to the pity party. Let me make up for it; be glad the rest of you aren't Rams fans. We're now worse than Detroit.
On the bright side my fantasy team is doing well.
Hated: We'll see how the Steelers do as the weather gets colder, but judging from their last game they seem to be getting -worse- as the season wears on so far. (said as if Carolina didn't exist and didn't play like a bunch of drunken college fratboys in their last game)
Well, considering their running game has been 'meh' at best and their offensive line has been, well, offesnive, the Steelers will have an uphill battle - against the Ravens and Bengals. The Ravens have the whole deal a' goin'. Good offense both running and passing and a dominant defense. I still say they're the team to beat. 'Course, if there's a team that will beat them, I still think it's the Steelers. The Bengals are a little too new at this winning thing. Let's give them some more time before we make a decision about how real they are.
EDIT: Considering how much better their rivals are than they - and it's every single division rival, too - it's very likely the Browns won't win one game in their division. It's possible they won't win one period, but their divison is suddenly much better with the emergence of Flacco and the re-emergence of Palmer. Bad news, Browns fans. Things will get worse.
Of course we saw what happens already when the Steelers this year play vs the Bengals :P
Yeah, and that should mean something to me, but I still think it's early to call the Bengals the next big thing and the Steelers washed up. We'll find out, though. Oct 11 the Bengals play the Ravens. That game should give us some idea of what's going on with these two teams. Then again, if the Browns somehow miracle a win this weekend, we'll know much sooner. :P
Yeah, and that should mean something to me, but I still think it's early to call the Bengals the next big thing and the Steelers washed up. We'll find out, though. Oct 11 the Bengals play the Ravens. That game should give us some idea of what's going on with these two teams. Then again, if the Browns somehow miracle a win this weekend, we'll know much sooner. :P
Browns win. hahaha. Who are they playing? (Will determine the size of the Mircale order needed)
It's the Battle of Ohio, man! They're playing the Bengals - in Cincy! So ... they might win. They honestly might. I mean, if the Bengals aren't for real, this is one they'll throw away. I don't think it's going to happen, but I give the Browns a better shot at this one than I did against the Ravens.
EDIT: The Steelers games (vs Browns) will be interesting. If Pittsburgh is really on a downtick and the Browns somehow miracle one win, it'll make Mangina somewhat safer at his job. All sorts of bad, that.
You know, I can see the Browns owners only care about beating the Steelers.... crap.
I agree this will be a test of sorts for the Bengals, as to just how seriously they are taking themselves. If they are taking themselves Seriously, then the Browns will be brown stains once again. If they aren't we'll know that the Bengals are going to have another Average season (well Average for a team that's usually at least eligible for Wild Card status anyway...)
Kind of like Ohio State. As long as you can pwn Michigan, you're in. Coaches have been fired for failing to beat Big Blue. Tressel this far has owned them. And so he's safe regardless of 'big game' performace. The thing is, his record is outstanding and he did win a Nat Champ in '02 and appear in two more - plus other BCS games - and has won at least a share of the Big 10 championship a crapton of times. Still, if he couldn't beat the Wolverines, he'd be gone.
For the Browns, it's not so much the owner as the owner's perception of the fans. He thinks all we want is a team that can beat the Steelers, but what we really want is a team that can win the whole damned thing. We had the Tribe and we have the Cavs. The Tribe is done for and the Cavs may be after 2010 so we want a good football team, dammit. But as long as Lerner's the owner, it'll never happen.
Yeah, and the thing is, unless you are good enough to win the whole thing you aren't good enough to beat the Steelers usually. (This year might just be the exception to the rule though) So it's a catch 22 of sorts.
I remember how was it last year everyone was talking about how strong the Indians looked, did they even make it to the playoffs? lol I remember their World Series years, which were coincidentally the years I was playing baseball in school. Maybe I should never have quit baseball, maybe the Indians would have had a WS win or two by now if I hadn't :P
Last year they were decimated by injuries and some poor play from key guys. They finished at exactly .500. This year saw them hit hard by injuries again but also with far, far worse play from some key people. They once again traded away the Cy Young winner (last year was CC, this year was Lee) and gave up. They're well under .500, IIRC. I stopped caring before the All Star break and totally quit on 'em when they traded Lee away. He was my favorite player and their only real pitcher.
Wow. A Cleveland team is a Cleveland team is a Cleveland team then.
Yep. 'Cept for the Cavs. Though one of our starting guards was just arrested on minor weapons charges. Yay. If Lebron leaves after this season, the Cavs will more resemble a Cleveland team than ever.
I still can't figure out how a team like Cleveland got Lebron in the first place. :P
I still can't figure out how a team like Cleveland got Lebron in the first place. :P
Well, the NBA's draft works quite a bit differently than the other major sports leagues. See, they have what they like to dub a 'lottery' that takes place behind closed doors. The worse your record, the more balls you have in the lotto. Just because you're the worst team in the league, though, does not guarantee you the first pick - and this happens from time to time. The best teams, otoh, don't get to be part of the lottery at all and are placed at the end of the draft according to record. Anyhoo, it just so happened that LBJ was graduating High School during a year that saw the Cavs at the bottom of the barrel. And it just so happened that this was the last year a guy could enter the draft right out of HS instead of having to attend college for one year first. And it just so happened that behind the closed doors of the lottery, the Cavs happened to luck into the first pick. And they just so happened to pick LeBron. Nevermind that nobody outside of the guys in charge of the lottery device saw it come up Cleveland. Nevermind that having the home town hero go to his home town team is a huge story on its own that will drive marketing and make a market for a different team than the established ones. Forget about all of that. It happened and it was pure chance. No funny business at all. :P
And that's how they got LBJ. The rest of the team? They pay through the friggin' nose to try and get the best players they can to support James and keep their mealtick ... star happy. ;) The Cavs are always paying the luxury tax. A fact that shows a will to win (whoa - an owner than understands winning can pay) and a desire to remain a respected franchise.
At least one Cleveland team ownership is run intelligently then.
That's alot, an awful lot of coincidences there to get Lebron James. Even if nothing shady happened I can see why there'd be doubts.
(I don't follow basketball at all.. especially since our team left Charlotte. I'd follow results but I'd never watch it.. too boring for me. And no Charlotte doesn't have a team. I don't care what anyone says. the NBA left us when we lost the Hornets)
That's kind of how I feel about the Browns. The NFL left us some time ago.
Yeah, there were some real coincidences with the LeBron thing. All legit or not, I don't care. I'm happy the Cavs got him. I used to think basketball was boring, too. Until I watched LeBron. He consistantly does some crazy **** that's fun to see. That and now I understand the game a lot more so it's more exciting to see. Anyhoo, he's here for one more year and then ... who knows?
At least ya'll got to keep your team's name.
No we go from Hornets to.... to...that abomination....
I will not speak that team's name lest I give the evil money grubbing bastards that made it power.
Yeah from what I hear Lebron is awesome. And you know you are an awesome player whenever people that don't even watch basketball know your name.
Yeah, he's kind of an industry now. And that's why he may leave. Anywhere the money/rich people/fame is. He's also getting more and more and more intensely involved with himself by the nanosecond. I actually heard an interview where he referred to himself in the third person. Not 'LeBron', either. He used his nickname - 'King James'. How's that for full of yourself? While he certainly has the walk to back the talk, it's still really ****in' annoying. ;)
You are serious? Gawd... and now I remember why I don't watch the NBA and MLB so full of themselves. Stuck up ****s
He started out humble enough and still seems that way most of the time. The thing is, if you read even a little beyond what's easily found, he's just as much of a self-centered ass as MJ was. I still can watch the games, though, because I can keep the job separate from the man. He may be a huge d-bag on occasion, but I don't have to deal with it. I just like to watch him play.
You know what's funny about MJ? I don't even think of him as a basketball player. I think of him as a racing team owner of the most successful Non Factory race team in the AMA (American Motorcycle association).
Heh. At least you don't think of him as a baseball player. :P
Dear lord, don't remind me of that debacle. Talk about a Publicity stunt.
Not as long as it's gonna be for the guys that are actually, you know, injured. :P
I wish someone would injur Jake Delhomme. Then again the other teams probably realize he is their team's most valuable player so they go easy on him.
I wish someone would injur Jake Delhomme. Then again the other teams probably realize he is their team's most valuable player so they go easy on him.
Know what's funny? I recently read an article where the writer suggested exactly this to whatever team will be playing Carolina - he's the MVP on the field for the opposition. He basically said that no team should risk injuring Jake cuz that'd damage their chances of victory. When people write syndicated stuff like that about you, you know you suck. :P
Jesus. Someone that gets stuff published wrote that?
DAMN.
ESPN network thinks he's "one of the best in the league" or at least did during the first parts of the cowboys game. (I bet they didn't after that game!)
Yet their Magazine (Who is far more trustworthy, it's one of the reasons I don't watch ESPN their commentators know somewhere between Jack and Nothing) says that Carolina needs to sign on a real Quarterback, because Jakey is only Servicable on a good day.
I can't remember the source, but it was pretty funny. ESPN guys are a bit ... biased. ESPN has deals with certain college teams, for instance, that allow them to carry games and the like. Once that deal is made, suddenly all sorts of ESPN news is about those teams. It probably doesn't work like that with pro football since it's a deal with the NFL instead of one of the NCAA conferences, but they do show bias from time to time.
I think I'd watch college football if I had a team in my state worth cheering for.
I don't know where the guys in the NFL coverage get their info though. You can just look at someone that's you know -good- like Mcnabb's stats and then look at Delhomme's and go "Yeah he's a loser" (while Mcnabb's good damned good I don't think he's nearly the best ever)
Statwise you could probably compare him to Vick and Delhomme still looks like a Loser.
What's even funnier about Shakey Jakey is that one of the ESPN telecasters said "Yes, he's the best non drafted QB in the league and he doesn't get enough credit" I about died of laughter right there rather than watch the game.
I like it. It's kind of neat to see a kid playing during college and then see 'em in the pros. And the games can be more interesting, too. It's not always the case, but it does happen pretty often.
And Jake is no way the best non-drafted quarterback. That honor goes to Josh Cribbs - a walk on QB from Kent state. Sure, he doesn't play QB now. Then again, neither does Jake. :D
bump to front page in preparation for the Sunday games... :-)
So the Saints have racked up another win. Watching them play has been fun and entertaining. And rooting for them, is rewarded because they want the win so badly.
The Lions are back to being the losers we all know them as. And the ass beating/raping was so thorough that I have to wonder, if that last game was a fluke. They made the Panthers look good they played so bad. I'll still pull for them, because they are such underdogs but their last game was filled with so many mistakes on every level that I wonder if they were told to take a Dive so the Bears could win.
What's really sad is that Stafford - who showed some promise - got hurt. I don't know how bad, I just heard he was injured.
From the games I bothered to watch: The Bengals are nowhere near as good as some thought. It could be said the Browns just aren't as bad as everyone thinks, but that'd be a dirty, dirty lie. They're still just as awful as before, it's just that the Bengals really arent' great. Sure, they're better, but not quite there yet. That said, I think the Browns can miracle one win out of this season somewhere. It'll take another day of Cribbs being the man (he racked up more return yardage than some teams had yards altogether), another ok effort from Anderson and bad play from the opposition, but it can happen.
The Steelers just don't feel like winning or something. Well, Mendenhall does. The offense does. The defense? They'd much rather be napping at home. And so they nap in the fourth quarter. They won, but they gave up a 28 point lead in the second half. To the Chargers. Yeah, the Chargers can score quick, but c'mon. That was simply awful. There's a lot to be concerned with if you're a Steelers fan. The one bright spot is that Tomlin seems to have really loosened up and let the offense use all of its tools. I mean, the Steelers use a half-back option in the fourth quarter of a suddenly close game? Whoa, that was cool.
The Ravens lost a close one to a sort of 'meh' Patriots team. I don't think that this game was a 'signature' win for the Pats or loss for the Ravens, though. Any time you play against Tom Brady and Bill Belechick, you can lose. Play this one again, though, and the Ravens could win. So I don't think it means all that much just yet.
OSU won again. Really, they only have three games left. Against Wisconsin (at home), Penn State (at Happy Valley) and Iowa (at home). Of the three, Penn State will be the toughest. Wisconsin is playing well, but they're an old school, Big 10 style of offense - smash the ball down your throat. The thing is, Ohio State is pretty good against the run. If that's all you're really capable of, you're boned. Michigan should maybe be on the list. It's always possible to lose to a rival no matter what the stats say. I just don't think they're very good, though. Not yet. In the next couple of years once recruiting catches up to the scheme, though, and they may be really tough.
Well I was happily wrong about the Bengals. They proved that they want to win this year. (How you might ask?)
They played just hard enough to win and nothing more. Nothing glamorous and nothing dominating. They just played enough to win, but easy enough to prevent major damage to the line up against, let's face it a team of Benchwarmers.
Yeah, the problem is that those benchwarmers 3 and outed the Bengals about 4 times in a row in the second half. That and the Browns can't score touchdowns. Play like that against a team with an offense and it's a loss. No OT win cuz the FGs (at least one of them) would have been a TD. They're just not terribly good. They're not terribly bad, either. And that's about it.
I don't think the Bengals really came in, figuring they'd have to do any effort at all. Just collect the checks and still win so to speak :P
Then again, against the Browns do you really have to try? After all, it's not like they are a pro football team or anything.
Well, if you belive the pre-game interviews, they were ready for a war. They figured the turds would give 'em hell since they've got nothing to lose. Well, the turds did just that and the Bengals nearly bungled what still should have been an easy win. They're almost back, though. They really are getting much better.
Maybe they said that to make the Brownstains feel better about themselves.
Personally I think we should bring back the XFL, maybe Cleveland could be competitive there.
Cleveland could use some new management. That much has been made perfectly clear over the last few years. Okay few decades.
They need a new owner and new front office. And a new coach and almost entirely new players. Keep Cribbs, Rogers, Massoqua (sp?) and ... and ... umm ... :P
They could always move to the UFL. I wonder how long that experiment is gonna last. I wonder if they have cheerleaders. The XFL had cheerleaders. That was the best part.
hey there were some good games in the XFL. I liked the premise behind it, but it was borked from the get go.
UFL?
Oh I know maybe Cleveland can go to Arena Football!
Yeah, there's a UFL now - er, again. It's got like 6 teams or something. They were after Vick, but they don't pay jack compared to the NFL. And the Eagles saved him from that fate.
Interesting. I might actually give it a shot this thursday if it plays on Vs for me.
I should be able to catch the Saturday game at the very least.
I don't know much about it myself and just don't have the time to check into it. This time of year is uber busy for me. Hell, I'll probably not see an OSU game for a while and the NFL will be just about as often (as in not at all). Kinda sucks, but that's how fall is for me.
I'll give you a summary if I catch it. I doubt that I will though. I'm going to be busy as hell this week job hunting.
Cool. If you find the time, lemme know.
The bucks are now 0 and 4 and the sad thing is two games should have been victories. The first game our defense died during the second half, this most recent game defense died and our kicker literally cost us the game. Im pretty sure a highschooler could have done better as a kicker.
So ... it looks like the ol' man's still got it. AD didn't even approach 100 yards and the Vikes still put up 30. The Packers are by no means an elite team, but the Vikings certainly appear to be one. Dominant performance on both sides of the ball. The Packers should still be sort of happy. Why? Rodgers looks like he will be the guy they thought he would be - if they can ever protect him for longer than a second and a half.
The Packers haven't been 'elite' since 1996, their last Super*gack* I mean big game win. When they lost it in 1997 to the Broncos, they became mediocre.
I have to agree. They're not terrible, they're just not awesome. They made some improvements in the defense (Favre did shred them, but they were down I think two starting safeties) but the offensive line needs a complete overhaul. Still, they're better than the Browns. :P
EDIT: Actually, I think the Browns have a better O line than the Pack does. Ouch.
Nope, it wasn't the line of the Packers. It was just that Jared Allen is that damn good. He was all over Rodgers all night long. He didn't just do it to Rodgers though. He's done it against every team the Vikings have played. Granted, the Vikings have not played an elite team yet but they have played 4 different offenses and the defense has pressured all of them.
That has to be taken into consideration when you decide who has the best defense. Add to that, that the Packers stopped AP but Favre still provided an win with his arm alone it takes away the talking point that Favre is too old to do more than "manage a game".
It's pretty much agreed that the Packer's O line isn't giving Rodgers the time he needs. Having said that, I'll not even pretend to take anything away from Allen. He was a friggin' monster yesterday and likely would have had a game close to as good even if the Packer's line was better. He's simply an amazing player.
I do agree that all of the worry about Favre should be pretty much put to bed. He's still got it. The end. If there's any question it's 'can it last?'. Considering it seems as though the assertions about his late failure in NY had more to do with his gimp arm than anything else and that the surgery has very obviously worked, even that shouldn't be more than in the back of your head.
It was a tough game to watch. I had to distance myself from it altogether. I'm a Packers fan (and was before Favre) but I'm a Favre fan, too. I rooted for both and that's about all I could do.
Agreed. Now, one question remains as far as Brett is concerned. Can he do it again in Green Bay later this year? If he can then all questions will be answered and I will be able to say at that time, definitively, that the Vikings are going to the Super Bowl.
I think he'll win at Lambeau, too. It's not just him - the Vikings are the clearly better team. Having him behind center is a bonus, though. :D He and the offense just gel more and more each game. They're getting closer to each other and it shows. He started the year making mostly short throws - adjusting to his new team. In that game last night, he aired that sucker out. He's getting comfortable and that's bad news for the opposition. That and his O line is friggin' awesome. Want to keep him healthy? Keep him off his back. And they do that. Every week. The more I see them play, the more I see them in the SB - likely winning it. But who knows? I mean, the Cardinals made it last year and they were a lot worse than where they ended up made them look.
All I know is it was fun watching Favre yesterday. He was having a good time and had a great game while he was at it. Good stuff.
Forgot to post about this somehow. The Cincinnati Bearcats are ahead of Ohio State in the AP poll. They. Haven't. Played. Anyone. Not even a team as good as Indiana. The polls are a huge tub of crap. Down with the BCS! Gimme a playoff!
I concur, the BCS is utter crap in regards to ranking. It is a money monster though with the bowl games.
Yeah it is. Insane amounts of cash. Not just the bowls, though. When a D1 team plays an FBS team, they gotta pay for the privilege of tackling that cupcake. And pay a ton. They feel that this balances the cash flow since it's damned unlikely one of those teams will make it to a BCS game - hell, most won't see a bowl game period. As long as you're a member of the Big 6, you'll get paid. Everyone else? Screw 'em. Drop the 'C' and you get the reality of the situation. Hopefully it'll die painfully some time in the relative future.
Forgot to post about this somehow. The Cincinnati Bearcats are ahead of Ohio State in the AP poll. They. Haven't. Played. Anyone. Not even a team as good as Indiana. The polls are a huge tub of crap. Down with the BCS! Gimme a playoff!
I agree, but then Ohio is usually always way over ranked as well. As is everyone in the big 10.
I agree, but then Ohio is usually always way over ranked as well. As is everyone in the big 10.
There was a time I'd argue that. That time is not now. Ohio State is a better team than Cincinnati, though. I'm not really sure about where to put anyone this year. All sorts of teams lost to terrible opponents. OSU lost to USC. However, USC then immediately gave one away to an inferior opponent (though they were hella banged up from the OSU game). OSU this year is a better team than last year. Last year's team nearly beat Texas - a team many considered better than the two in the Nat Championship. What all that means, I dunno. The BCS sucks. Rankings suck. Give us a damned playoff already. Then we won't have to worry about what coaches, writers and computers think. Settle the damned thing on the field.
I am just happy my 49ers are doing well so far this year. Yeah, a loss to Min., but that was because Farve just pulled out a rediculous play at the end. The defensive line kept Adrian Peterson, arguably one of the best RB's in the league, to under 100 yrds. All this w/o Frank Gore (who would be better then Peterson if he could play more then 50% of games) and Crabtree. Heck, V. Davis, our TE, is the best recever on our team, and he already has more TDs in the last 2 games then he had last year. With Crabtree signed, the 49ers aren't a Superbowl team yet, but they do have what it takes to make it to the post season, where we haven't been in the last decade, almost. All this tanks the Samurai Mike Singltary.
As a Packers fan, Monday was a really, really hard day for me. From what I saw, our offensive line is easily the worst in the league. I think we had 7 penalties (6 in the first half, if I remember correctly) and gave up 8 sacks. They lost the game for us.
I think I'll keep my comments to that, since profanity is probably discouraged here, and it's really the only way I can describe how I feel about that night.
Yes, as a Packer's fan, I was annoyed with the 'quality' of the O-line's play. Rodgers looked good even though he had to deal with that. That's a good thing.
When the 49ers promoted Singletary, I actually didn't know what to think. And then word began to come out about how he ran things and what his overall philosophy was and I thought he might actually be good. So far, he has been. Major culture change that it seems the guys are buying into.
When the 49ers promoted Singletary, I actually didn't know what to think. And then word began to come out about how he ran things and what his overall philosophy was and I thought he might actually be good. So far, he has been. Major culture change that it seems the guys are buying into.
Heh, saw a special on Singletary's new training regiment on ESPN a few weeks ago. He built a 2500 ton, 45' tall hill that every player is required to run up and down as part of his training. Nicknamed 'Mount Pain'. Actually a interesting idea, steaming from the fact some of the greatest players of all time, like Jerry Rice, used hill-running as their primary endurance training. Then, to train for Min., he brought in massive noise machines to simulate the stadium, forcing players to learn how to remain focused and learn audibles when they aren't audible.
I love this guy. Thinking outside the box and using physical training to build mental fortitude. Heck, if you can conquer a mountain of pain, a football game is nothing.
As a Packers fan, Monday was a really, really hard day for me. From what I saw, our offensive line is easily the worst in the league. I think we had 7 penalties (6 in the first half, if I remember correctly) and gave up 8 sacks. They lost the game for us.
I think I'll keep my comments to that, since profanity is probably discouraged here, and it's really the only way I can describe how I feel about that night.
No no worsed in the league would be tampa, it was like they weren't even there most of the game.
What a bummer. :-(
Oct. 5, 2009
LEXINGTON, Ky. - After more than 70 years and 412 consecutive home games, Jim Brown finally missed a University of Kentucky home football game.
Brown did not attend Saturday's game vs. Alabama because of an illness, ending a streak that began in 1938 and had been uninterrupted since 1945.
Brown, who turned 90 years old earlier this year, began going to see the Wildcats play as a UK freshman in 1938. He has been at every home game since then, with the exception of the 1944 season, when he was a navigator/bombardier in Asia during World War II.
We are happy to report that Brown is feeling better and looking forward to returning to Commonwealth Stadium when the Cats resume home action.
The Browns win! The Browns win! The Browns win! Nevermind they were utterly pathetic against another utterly pathetic team. Nevermind that they only scored 6 points to get the win. Nevermind they only completed two passes the entire game. They ... suck. Why'd they have to go and win? 0-16 has already been done so who cares? Get. The. Pick. Morons! :P
The Buckeyes won. And looked terrible. Not even 200 yards of offense. Allowed over 300. Let Wisconsin have the ball for over 47 minutes. 8 first downs. And they still won 31-13. Holy crap. Two pick-sixes and a kickoff return for a TD. Without that, it was a loss. And an ugly one. Maybe they'll be able to use the next two cupcakes they're facing as a tune up. They desperately need one. Two games left, Buckeye fans. Iowa and Penn State. Michigan may be tough - depending on which Michigan shows up. Good lord, they better improve soon.
By the way Carolina won.
Against the Redskins so that's not sayin much.
The UFL game was entertaining (It's on thursday, next time it will be on is Wed around 9 pmish) I didn't see anything truly dazzling but they play better than the Browns :P (Okay by far.) It's worth watchin especially on a night devoid of NFL, or Racing activities.
Thurs nights are busy nights for me. And It's Always Sunny is on at 10. :D
Yeah, the Browns are terrible. I can't wait 'till next year! Oh wait. Yes I can.
I started following the Vikings for real this season instead of just wearing a Vikings hat... talk about an awesome season so far.....
Yeah. Of the teams that have a real shot, they're certainly one of them - if not the one with the best shot. The Colts also look damned amazing this year.
Go Rams!
...
Really go. Just ... go. AWAY.
Yeah! Those damn Rams are screwin' up my Browns' hope at the number one pick! :P
Here's one blogger's take on Cleveland's talented starting QB. Every week, there is a list of MVPs and LVPs. Without further ado:
'Derek Anderson: QB Browns: I believe DA is the first player to ever win a game and be included among the least valuable players. Congratulations, Mr. 2-of-27 for 23 yards. Did Brady Quinn do something to Eric Mangini's wife or something? Does Derek Anderson have pictures of Mangini and an underage sheep?'
How's that for an accurate assessment of the situation? :P
Okay, first off: Denver's throwback uniforms are so goddamn ugly. Second off, the Pats can't win with their throwback uniforms on. They lost against the Jets when they played in throwbacks, and they lost against Denver, again in throwbacks. At least New England's throwbacks are fairly decent. Denver's throwbacks can go die in a hole somewhere. That has to be the most obnoxious shade of yellow other than an obnoxious yellow porche. It's like a Crayola goldenrod crayon, for Christ's sake!
Very astute observation, youngblood. The Pats lose due to their uniform choice. It's got nothing to do with Brady not being 100% yet (they say he is but c'mon) or their suddenly meh defense. It's gotta be the threads. :P
its probably pure coincidence, though. and why did you call me "youngblood"? that was just...strange...
Wait. 'Probably' a coincidence? Probably? Whoa ...
'Youngblood' is a term I've heard used when an older party addresses a younger. It's typically an affectionate that contains some small, casual dismissal with it as well. In this particular case, it's just something I hadn't called you yet.
should i be honored or insulted, O Prophet and Speaker of the OTTer?
Neither. It was simply a case of me using you to amuse myself ever so slightly. It nearly worked, too.
When the 49ers promoted Singletary, I actually didn't know what to think. And then word began to come out about how he ran things and what his overall philosophy was and I thought he might actually be good. So far, he has been. Major culture change that it seems the guys are buying into.
Heh, saw a special on Singletary's new training regiment on ESPN a few weeks ago. He built a 2500 ton, 45' tall hill that every player is required to run up and down as part of his training. Nicknamed 'Mount Pain'. Actually a interesting idea, steaming from the fact some of the greatest players of all time, like Jerry Rice, used hill-running as their primary endurance training. Then, to train for Min., he brought in massive noise machines to simulate the stadium, forcing players to learn how to remain focused and learn audibles when they aren't audible.
I love this guy. Thinking outside the box and using physical training to build mental fortitude. Heck, if you can conquer a mountain of pain, a football game is nothing.
Singletary's former teammate, the late Walter Payton, used to run up and down a hill that was comparable, if not slightly steeper, than this one. Otis Wilson, a former LB for the Bears who played alongside Singletary, once commented (paraphrasing) that he couldn't see how anyone could do what Payton did with that hill. Payton was in just absolutely tremendous shape.
A good idea on Singletary's part, IMO. I am not necessarily complaining about Lovie Smith, but I wish Singletary would have been selected as head coach of my Bears. But the McCaskey family has had a "stay far away" policy when it comes to its former players, especially if they played on the 1985 Bears.
Sigh.
TheSeventhStooge...
I remember, back in the day, watching a news story about Jerry Rice's training regimen. That hill was something like two or so miles long. It was ridiculous. They interviewed some DB who had trained with him and he recounted running the hill with Jerry. It went something like this:
I was about halfway to the top and still keeping up with Jerry. I was thinking this is pretty hard but I can do it and keep up with Jerry without killing myself. About that time his trainer, who was running with us, said "Hit it Jerry! Finish it off." Then Jerry just opened up and left me in the dust. I couldn't even think about keeping up with him and barely made it to the top.
The hill is something that a lot of guys still use today. I read an article by Michael Silver earlier in this year about his trip (as a journalist) up one of 'em. It's no joke.
For those interested, here's the article.
That game last night was fun to watch. Miami's got that Wildcat thing down. Having Ricky Williams and Ronnie Brown to run it helps a bit - especially when former Michigan hero Chad Henne is performing as well as he did (including a hook-up with former Ohio State hero Teddy Ginn JR for a score). Man, I wish I would have been able to watch past the first half. Silly needin' sleep an' junk.
Miami can play ball?
*Sorry couldn't resist the burn*
How are they doing this year?
Not too great. 2-3 or something. They just looked pretty good last night. On offense, anyway. Heh. Still, a fun team to watch. Not Saints fun, but who is? :D
2-3 is better than 1-3...
Stupid Shakey Jakey.
I will say Carolina actually looked like it was playing in their last game. Alot of the things Carolina's famous for (shakey jakey aside) started to come alive again, but I'm not holding out hope. That might just be the only win we get this year. (reading articles about Carolina's game I didn't get to see it after all)
I didn't either. The only games I saw even part of were the OSU game, Indy and last night's game. Indy looks damned good. I think they're my new AFC pick. The Ravens seem like they're disintigrating for some reason.
I did get to see that the Falcons pwnt the 49rs. Yay Falcons!
Yeah, I figured the Ravens would. It's what they do. They start out looking hot and then sputter and die shortly after.
The Falcons seem to be doomed to riding around in mediocrity but you know what? I could settle for that. At least I can depend on them to play at a given level at any one point in time.
I just hope that Carolina has shook the monkey off it's back but judging from the stats I'm seeing they probably haven't especially since this was against the damn Redskins who even Detroit beat savagely.
Yeah, playing well against Washington is like having a good practice. Sure, it makes you feel good, but what did you actually do? :P
The Falcons could make the playoffs again. Hopefully they'll win one this year.
I didn't either. The only games I saw even part of were the OSU game, Indy and last night's game. Indy looks damned good. I think they're my new AFC pick. The Ravens seem like they're disintigrating for some reason.
I did get to see that the Falcons pwnt the 49rs. Yay Falcons!
Okay, lets get a few things straight. First off, the Falcons didn't pwnt; you see, it was a cleaver ruse to lull the rest of the teams into a complacent state so that the 49ers can destroy them and...
No the niners sucked on Sunday. I was almost ashamed to be a fan. The defence we had the first 4 weeks never showed up, Coffee cost 2 touchdowns because he wasn't paying attention, and Davis forgot how to run a route. It was pure disgusting.
And Singletary was going to give them the week off (they have a bye next). Instead they didn't even get an hour off.
Every team can have a bad game. Considering the Niners are still kind of developing, it's even more understandable. The Falcons are a good team, too. It's not like they got annihilated by the Rams. They'll be ok. One bad week (hopefully) will not define their season.
Every team can have a bad game. Considering the Niners are still kind of developing, it's even more understandable. The Falcons are a good team, too. It's not like they got annihilated by the Rams. They'll be ok. One bad week (hopefully) will not define their season.
From you lips to Bill Walsh's ears. 
I see dead people ...
2-3 is better than 1-3...
Stupid Shakey Jakey.
I will say Carolina actually looked like it was playing in their last game. Alot of the things Carolina's famous for (shakey jakey aside) started to come alive again, but I'm not holding out hope. That might just be the only win we get this year. (reading articles about Carolina's game I didn't get to see it after all)
1-3 is better than ZERO and five, thats right Tampa Bay is still the crappiest team out there WHOOO YEAH OUR TEAM IS WORSE THAN YOURS IN YOUR FACE.
Sorry could not resist.
Is TB ever going to play vs the Redskins? If so, you'll get your win there. :P
Trust me Will, if TB can beat anyone it will be Carolina (Because Delhomme will be TB's MVP! and best QB!) or Washington.
This is going to be one seriously ugly game.
As ugly as Browns vs Bills? It'll be tough to beat a 6-3 win that saw the winning QB (who played the entire game, mind) complete only 2 passes. Yeah, 2. I honest to god doubt that any game played this year will be any uglier overall. A team may have an uglier loss or an uglier performance (though, to be honest, how do you get uglier than the Bills in that one?), but to have both teams play that poorly in a game? Yeah, I think we've got our winner.
Nah, there will be passes caught. but they will all be interceptions.
UW playing Iowa at Camp Randall.
I really hope we win because if we do, we'll probably be ranked, and that would make me pretty much the happiest panda in the world.
So Carolina won yesterday, and yeah I was right about it being Ugly.
Delhomme has no stamina. And seriously NEVER THROW YOU IDIOT NEVER YOU SUCK AND FAIL.
I would rather we have Johnson, (Yes Will I would rather have Tampa Bay's QB) because at least he has more sense than Delhomme. At least he knows he can't throw for **** and runs the ball and hands it over to other players, and unlike Delhomme he realized at 5 Interceptions that he can't throw... Delhomme? He's up to 10 now. I bet he gets at least 2 more every game from here on out. I think he's trying for a record.
The Vikings won as well, though I have to say it was much closer than it should have been. The Viking's D apparently decided to take a lunch break.
The Saints obviously won and by won I mean they pulled the Giant's pants down and ***** and **** while the Giants **** the Saints' ***** all the while watching a **** **** a *****.
GO STEELERS!!
Good game next week...
Steelers vs Vikings
Dude, the Brownstains gave them trouble yesterday. You think they are going to have a "good game" against a team who is 6-0? (and not against crap teams)
Go Favre. He's doing just what I thought he could do. They probably need to fire their head coach though. He probably told them to milk it in 3rd quarter on sunday (which is when Baltimore almost won themselves a game)
So who wants to bet on the amount of passes Delhomme throws to the Bills next Sunday?
Good luck against the Vikings. Well at least you aren't going up against the Saints lol.
I would rather we have Johnson, (Yes Will I would rather have Tampa Bay's QB) because at least he has more sense than Delhomme. At least he knows he can't throw for **** and runs the ball and hands it over to other players, and unlike Delhomme he realized at 5 Interceptions that he can't throw... Delhomme? He's up to 10 now. I bet he gets at least 2 more every game from here on out. I think he's trying for a record.
Now now, having a record in interceptions doesn't mean you are a terrible quarterback. Look at Farve, the current holder if I recall correctly. He's doing fine. Though "Shakey Jakey" is a horse of a different color.
Now now, having a record in interceptions doesn't mean you are a terrible quarterback. Look at Farve, the current holder if I recall correctly. He's doing fine. Though "Shakey Jakey" is a horse of a different color.
But Favre is also a record holder for most games played (Or is getting close isn't he?). Shakey Jakey isn't just a horse of a different color he's a crippled donkey, in a room filled with Kentucky Derby Thoroughbreds.
Hell I'm sure Favre is going to get a record for most completed passes if he keeps playing like he is, and if he plays for a few more years. (or maybe just finishes up this one? :P)
I believe ol' Brett already has both those records currently. That or it was just consecutive games played and complete passes.
So Ohio State is terrible. The good news about the loss to Purdue? Well, they won't have to lose to USC in the Rose Bowl now. :P In reality, if they win out, they could still win the Big 10 or share it. After seeing that performance, though, I'd not be surprised to see two or even three more losses. Iowa is, apparently, a decent team. Penn State is still Penn State and they're playing at Happy Valley this year. And Michigan? Well, they can put points on the board. When your offense can't (and likes to turn it over), you lose games like that. All in all, I don't care that I'm gonna miss seeing a lot of the games. ;)
The Browns? Umm ... they're the friggin' Browns. Next ...
I got to watch the Falcons. They really struggled more than they should have, but still got that W. They just didn't look like a SB caliber team. 'Specially with them Saints an' Vikings runnin' 'round.
So how 'bout them Saints? Amazing, no? If the Vikings have one team to worry about (and they have more than one), it's these Saints. Good D, amazing O, altogether the team to beat in the NFC. I still like the Colts, but if Brady can play even half as well as he did against the lowly Titans (6 TD passes - 5 in the second quarter (yes, it's a record)), you can't count the Pats out. But damn them Titans are terrible. Way to give up, guys. Nice. At least there's a team or two out there that can make the Browns look ok playing their inept style of the game. You bastards in those cities need to root for your teams to win, though. They're f-in' up the Browns' draft position!
But ZB it won't matter what draft position the Brownstains end up with. They'll just waste their choices on players that should be in a resthome, or inept college rejects.
And yes the Saints are incredible. I knew they were going to be good this year. But this good? Yeah, can we say Locked up NFC South, completely?
Hey, they may pick terribly, but they deserve to make that mistake first, dammit! :P
Yeah, Saints are scary good. Brees is a future HoFer, IMO.
Most definitely. If he has even a year half as good as this one, next year he'll still be amazing.
Its a real shame the Saints and Vikings won't meet until the Post Season. It is possible that both teams will go undefeated until they meet there.
It's unlikely. The Vikes have had a few scares and Brees has shown a few human moments here and there. Factor in the desire to rest players rather than risk injury against a lesser foe for no gain whatosever and you've got the makings of an upset or two - especially late in the season. Not every coach follows the Bellicheck Bludgeoning method. I hope they do meet down the road, though. Should be damned entertaining.
Well I think the Vikings will lose one or two. (Because the coaching will tell them "Play it safe" after they dominated the first half)
But they aren't going to lose many playing like they are.
Carolina on the other hand?
As long as we don't trust Shakey Jakey to do anything but hand the ball to someone more capable of moving the ball down the field, we'll do just fine.
I said possible. The Vikings have a pretty weak schedule this year. I agree they have won some nail-biters but they have won the games they are supposed to win. The only two teams left for them on their schedule that there is the possibility that they "should" lose are against the Steelers next week and the Giants at the end of the season. The rest of their schedule is filled with chumps like Detroit, Cincinnati, and Carolina.
I agree that "any given Sunday" applies to other teams they face but I have faith that their second half play will improve. It should also be noted that in at least three of the games they've played this year, they've gone into half-time trailing. They are one of the better teams in the 3rd and 4th quarter and this last game was not the normal way they have played in the second half.
I haven't followed the Saints and I haven't looked up their schedule to see what kind of teams they play the rest of the year.
The chumps in Cincinnati aren't all that chumpy anymore. And they beat that Steeler team you think the Vikes need to look out for. Just sayin'. ;)
Let's be real for a minute. Let's say it comes down to the last game of the season and the Vikes are undefeated. The Super Bowl is the prize, right? So why in god's name would you want to start a 40 year old QB, the game's best RB - who's had durability issues and one of the best defensive ends in the game and risk them getting hurt in an utterly meaningless game before the playoffs have even started? That's ... silly. Unless you're Belichick and you've got to prove something to the world. Even then, it's a questionable decision at best. Dungy never risked Manning. It'd have been insane to do it. Once it even cost my stupid Browns from getting a playoff spot. But it made smart sense. And that's why that undefeated season the Pats had was such a huge deal. Today, with how much is riding on the game and how huge some of the contracts are, it's too big of a risk to start the guy that could win it all. Considering Favre may not be back next year, it makes even less sense to risk his old body late in the year. And so it's my firm belief that the Vikes will not go undefeated. The Saints will lose at least one, too. It's just the nature of the game.
In case nobody thinks upsets can pop up, ask Philly how they feel after that whole loss to the Raiders thing. :P
Well Carolina wouldn't be Chumps if it weren't for a certain QB who will go unnamed for at least this post.
Cincinatti was looking good then they blew it this weekend.
The Saints line up hasn't been anything too fantastic, but they did go up against the Giants last night, and they whipped the Giants ****. So there are some tough teams in their line ups. And they never looked bad, against a crap team or a good one.
Crap... Carolina has to play against the Vikings? *head desk* So much for my season turn around mad dash to the playoffs hopes.
I see your point ZB. It's just cool to think about.
Something else to consider is the fact that some of the teams they face will be out of play-offs by the time the Vikings play them. In two games this year, Rams and Browns. The Vikings continued to play their starters despite insurmontable leads at the end of the 3rd quarter. This leads me to believe that the Vikings are not as concerned about protecting their players as they should be.
Point in fact, is the incident with AP getting his ankle rolled up on against the Ravens. It would have been sensible for AP to be removed from the game. I almost had a heart attack when I saw Adrian go down but he was back on the field for the next drive.
If my memory serves the Vikings were still leading at that point and he wasn't much of a factor when the Vikings settled for two field goals instead of pushing for touchdowns. It can be argued that they were protecting their players at that point and it nearly lost them a game.
Dang it, I guess you're right. Okay, the Vikings will lose at least one game this year due to the game lacking significant importance but if the Vikings are going to protect their stars, they better do it by keeping them off the field in blowouts like against the Rams and Browns.
Yeah, that's the better way to do it, IMO. Rest throughout the season - not just at the end. It's possible that Favre will ask for the chance if it's close, too. So I can't rule it out completely. I just don't think it'll happen cuz, well, it's football. And it's the smarter choice if it comes to that. Still, as you say, cool to think about. Favre and the Vikes go undefeated? Yeah, I'll take that all day over the Pats. :D
EDIT: It'll actually probably be better for the Vikes to lose one before the chance to go undefeated comes up. Otherwise, they may actually try it (a Favre decision if it comes to that). That could be bad.
I forgot to mention the UK game Saturday night.
We beat Auburn for the first time since '66. Of course, it has been a really long time since the 'Cats have played Auburn every year.
It was one heck of a game though. UK had no penalties for the entire game. We started a true freshman because our starting quarterback was injured last week. (Third play of the 2nd half we had a delay of game but they drew the flag late and let the play un in its entirety ending with our quarterback getting a sprained knee.) In the third quarter we put in a redshirt junior who was still recovering from a shoulder injury. Late in the fourth we ran the wildcat package with a sophomore quarterback. Each quarterback ran for a touchdown. How many times have you seen three different quarterbacks for one team run in a touchdown in one game? We also had a back run for 137 yards as our O-line was blowing the Aubuen D right off the line all game. Auburn had a high powered offense but we held the offense to just seven points. (Auburn blocked a punt and ran it back for a TD.) We punted six times and Auburn did not have a single return yard not to mention that we pinned it inside the 10 on four different punts. Auburn returned 3 kickoffs for a total of 21 yards. We didn't throw any interceptions and picked one off.
Sorry about the wall of text there. :-)
We are now expected to win our next four games after dropping three in a row: #1 Florida, #2 Alabama, and S. Carolina who was ranked but I forget where...
How about a cool pic:
Kentucky tailback Derrick Locke (20) dives over Auburn strong safety Zac Etheridge (4) for extra yardage, Oct. 17, 2009. (AP Photo/Butch Dill)
this photo and more can be found here:
Didn't watch the full game but caught the end of the Broncos/Chargers game. The Broncos played an outstanding fourth quarter with both the offense and defense coming up with huge plays.
I have no idea how good the Broncos are but they appear to be a team to beat in the AFC. I honestly believe that the Playoffs and Super Bowl are going to be great games this year.
I saw most of the first half and part of the third quarter. That game was fun to watch. I almost forgot what professional football teams are supposed to look like. Three kick returns for TDs. Three. Two by Denver (punt and KR) and one by SD (KR - IIRC). Really fun game to watch. Monday Night Football is so much better when the Browns aren't playing. :P Though they did beat the Giants on MNF last year ...
Vikings aren't as good as their stats say. A lucky clutch play against my 49ers (as well as a poor choice of the prevent O/prevent D) caused that win. Last week they didn't win, persay, the kicker missed a routine FG for Balt. That plus a weak schedual so far, and Farve thinks he's better tan he is.
No mistake, he's awesome, but I don't see him going all the way.
Brees, on the other hand, has got laser-guided rockets and recievers to catch them. The saints don't have the best offence in the league but they have the best QB, possibly, which is more important. Coupled with a top 5 D, though the secondary seems a little unresponsive in some cases, and you got the making of champs.
Not so say others cannot go the distance. The Giants, if their D-line, best line in the league, were to come off the injury list. Colts, ofc, though their season also has been a little easy. The Pats, if Brady would ever learn to take a hit (he can play worse then Farve, which is saying something). The Jets could, their D is incrediable, but Sanchez still suffers from being a rookie. Heck, now that Gore and Crabtree are playing, my Niners could at least make a good showing in the post-season.
But the most dangerous team has got to be Denver. They've already toppled the Pats and Cowboys, neither of which are slouches. They have a heck of a season still lined up: Bal, Pit, NYG, Ind, and Phi. Their head coach is 33, but learned from Billy B. how to coach an offence. He's got a dangerous defence, only behind the Giants for YPG given up. They've given up the least points, 11 per game. And that is where they've been winning; their preventing points means they don't need to put up the massive 59 point leads. Which is really insulting for the Pats to do. Down-right rude, and dumb to keep your first string in after a first half like that.
I'm a firm believer in beat someone as thoroughly as you can. Play as hard as you can at all times.
To me there is no such thing as "running up the score". If I'm racing someone, if I know I can win. I will do so. I will lap the entire field twice, three times if I have to insure it.
That being said. Favre on a bad day is still better than Shakey Jakey on a good day. So saying someone can be as bad as Favre on his bad day isn't as bad as it could get.
Weekend matchups.
Steelers vs Vikings.
I'm favoring the Vikings on this one, simply because the Steelers have yet to really show any promise this year, and even the Brownstains gave them trouble. If they'd get back to really playing though the Vikings are toast.
It'll be a good game either way and probably the best of the weekend.
Panthers vs The Bills: This is going to be ugly. Like watching two retarded school girls high on pot fight. Both of these teams are utterly terrible right now and almost have no business being in the same league as the other teams in the NFL. I'm favoring Carolina on this one, simply because it's my home team, at a home game, against another terribad team.
I expect this one will be much closer than it should be. Once again Shakey Jakey.. (Or rather at least twice more) will throw the ball to the wrong team, even when not under any pressure.
Greenbay vs Cleveland. This isn't even really a game. Greenbay all the way.
49ers vs Texans: 49ers. The W/L of the 9ers is a little stronger I think.
San Diego vs KC... someone else can pick this one, no comment as I've not even seen the highlight reel of either team.
Colts v Rams: Unless the Rams are that desperate to win, and the Colts think "Lolz the Rams" I'm going to go with the Colts here. I'm expecting a real blowout of a win for the Colts. This should be a "might as well have been a bye week" for them.
Pats v Bucaneers: Pats. The only thing in my mind that's a variable is just how high over 50 the Pats are going to get, to the Buc's 0-10.
Jets vs Raiders: I'm actually going to pull for the unlikely underdogs. If you had asked me if I thought that Oakland would ever beat someone, much less Philly I'd have asked if you were crazy. Now? I'm going to lean on the Raiders. They're just dumb enough to win enough games to screw them out of draft picks.
Bears v Bengals: I like Cincinatti this year. I really do. They aren't flashy or pretty, but they seem to be aimed at squarely just getting the job done. I don't think that's going to be quite enough motivation though. I think the Bears will eek out a win.
Falcons vs Cowboys: Cowboys. Cows have had practice at munching up on this kind of team for a couple games now. I'm not expecting a Pats grade win, but they should manage to come out on top.
Saints vs Dolphins: Saints all the way. Another might as well be a bye week matchup this weekend. Their streak will continue, at least for this weekend.
Cardinals v Giants: I'm leaning on the Giants for this one. Yeah, it's a safe way to lean probably.
What are your weekend picks guys? Discuss.
SD v. KC: the Chargers look really good for a team not even batting .500. Rivers is doing an excellent job as QB and can handle pressure extremely well.
I agree with the rest of the assessment except:
The Jets are still a good team. It's going to be up to Sanchez to win or lose it. Their D-line should destroy Oakland's offence.
I still think the Bears/Bengals game can go either way. Neither team is terriable, but neither are excellent. It's almost a coin-flip, could go either way easily.
Weekend matchups.
Fun!
Steelers vs Vikings.I'm favoring the Vikings on this one, simply because the Steelers have yet to really show any promise this year, and even the Brownstains gave them trouble. If they'd get back to really playing though the Vikings are toast.
It'll be a good game either way and probably the best of the weekend.
The Steelers are in some trouble with this one. The only time their offensive line looked good was against the Brownies. Playing well against a bunch of cookie selling grade school girls isn't an accomplishment. Look for the Vikes to be living in the Steeler backfield. One of the best D lines going up against one of the most questionable? Bad news for Steelers fans.
Big Ben is ok in these situations though. So they still have a chance. I still say Vikes.
Panthers vs The Bills: This is going to be ugly. Like watching two retarded school girls high on pot fight. Both of these teams are utterly terrible right now and almost have no business being in the same league as the other teams in the NFL. I'm favoring Carolina on this one, simply because it's my home team, at a home game, against another terribad team.I expect this one will be much closer than it should be. Once again Shakey Jakey.. (Or rather at least twice more) will throw the ball to the wrong team, even when not under any pressure.
Here, you're wrong. The game's gonna be nothing like two high, retarded school girls fighting. Cuz that would be entertaining. And hot. This game will be neither.
Greenbay vs Cleveland. This isn't even really a game. Greenbay all the way.
A Browns 'game'? Next ...
49ers vs Texans: 49ers. The W/L of the 9ers is a little stronger I think.
The Texans just came up with a decent win. Too streaky, IMO, and I feel the Niners are the better team. Agreed, Niners.
San Diego vs KC... someone else can pick this one, no comment as I've not even seen the highlight reel of either team.
The Chargers should blow KC out. If they're unhappy with their last loss - and they should be - this'n' will be ugly.
Colts v Rams: Unless the Rams are that desperate to win, and the Colts think "Lolz the Rams" I'm going to go with the Colts here. I'm expecting a real blowout of a win for the Colts. This should be a "might as well have been a bye week" for them.
A Rams 'game'? Next ...
The only interesting possibility is who from the Colts may get hurt. Let's hope no one - as we should always hope for every team and player. Since this is a non-game, it's even more important.
Pats v Bucaneers: Pats. The only thing in my mind that's a variable is just how high over 50 the Pats are going to get, to the Buc's 0-10.
A Bucs 'game'? Next ... :P
I don't know if Bill will run up the score. He held back a bit toward the end against Tennessee. Unless someone from the Bucs organization criticised one of his crayon pics when he was kid or something. If they did, look for a new record high score/margin of victory.
Jets vs Raiders: I'm actually going to pull for the unlikely underdogs. If you had asked me if I thought that Oakland would ever beat someone, much less Philly I'd have asked if you were crazy. Now? I'm going to lean on the Raiders. They're just dumb enough to win enough games to screw them out of draft picks.
Disagree. While the Jets and Sanchise are on a bit of a downtick (ok, possibly an epic one), the Raiders are the kind of team that relaxes after a win. Or after a loss. Or during the game. They're just too bad to reliably count on. Look for Sanchise to bounce back. He played worse than Russel last week. I bet once is enough. Plus, he'll be back in sunny Cali. For a USC alum, that's good.
Bears v Bengals: I like Cincinatti this year. I really do. They aren't flashy or pretty, but they seem to be aimed at squarely just getting the job done. I don't think that's going to be quite enough motivation though. I think the Bears will eek out a win.
This is a tough one. Both teams look, well, they look ok. Not great, but they can be. I agree, though. Bears. It's time for the Bengals to go all Bungles on us.
Falcons vs Cowboys: Cowboys. Cows have had practice at munching up on this kind of team for a couple games now. I'm not expecting a Pats grade win, but they should manage to come out on top.
I think the Falcons are the better team. Not just because they're my team to root for once again, either. The 'Boys seem like they're missing something. And we know the Falcons have the better QB. So I say Birds over Boys.
Saints vs Dolphins: Saints all the way. Another might as well be a bye week matchup this weekend. Their streak will continue, at least for this weekend.
Unless the Saints experience a victory hangover - and there's little chance Payton and Brees would allow that - the Fish should get pwnt. The Giants found out how for real the Saints are. The Fish should be swimming scared.
Cardinals v Giants: I'm leaning on the Giants for this one. Yeah, it's a safe way to lean probably.
Giants. Eli won't let last week stand. The Cards are finding their groove, though. Still, I think the G Men will pull it off.
I agree. It will be a very close game Bengals vs Bears. It's actually one of the better games to watch this weekend as the good teams are against well... might as well be Bye Week teams.
Wow, that's two guys saying KC is going to get raped. Gawd I wish I had, Dish, or Direct TV. I must be missing something :P
ZB who's your pick, Shakey Jakey and his cats or the Bills?
Wow, that's two guys saying KC is going to get raped. Gawd I wish I had, Dish, or Direct TV. I must be missing something :P
The Chargers have a good offense. And KC is ... KC.
ZB who's your pick, Shakey Jakey and his cats or the Bills?
The Bills lost to the Browns. But they did beat the Jets. I still say Jake the Shake and the Craptastic Cats notch a W.
My thoughts of this week's games:
Packers at the Brown - Blowout style win. The only question is can GB throw another shutout.
Vikings at the Steelers - Close game, but I'll go with the home team. Polamalu should be back and that'll make a big difference.
Chargers at the Chiefs - A thrashing by the Chargers. Maybe there'll be some LT highlights again.
Patriots "at" the Bucs - Not even a game.
Colts at the Rams - Maybe the Rams can run the ball on the Colts, but I think Bob Sanders is expected back. So they might not even do that.
49ers at the Texans - I'll go out on a limb and go with an upset here, although I have low confidence in this pick.
Jets at the Raiders - Finally a rebound? If not, the Jets are in trouble.
Bills at the Panthers - The Panthers are just better even though they're not very good.
Saints at the Dolphins - I think this will be a close game (or at least a fun game to watch), but the Saints should win.
Bears at the Bengals - Two good teams so I'll just go with the home team.
Falcons at the Cowboys - The Falcons are moving to the top tier of the NFC while Dallas is falling into the bad team range. Has Dallas even beat anyone good yet?
Cardinals at the Giants - It'll be a good game (better if Boldin plays and contributes), but I'll go with the home team. Kurt Warner getting pressured is going to be the key to this game. If he gets sacked a few times, it could get ugly. If the Giant D can't touch him (like Brees), then he'll have a great day.
Eagles at the Redskins - The Eagles are good; the Redskins are bad. It should be that simple, but considering last week, its not always. But I'd be really shocked if the Redskins make this a competitive game.
Actually the Chargers were really bringing it against Denver, and the offence was destroying the Bronco's very good D the first half last week. If it wasn't for the special team's first half, that easily could have been a SD win.
Agreed. The Chargers actually looked pretty good.
Scypio: Panthers and very good? Is this the same team I've been watching play like a bunch of drunken school girls every week? (Or where approximately one half of the team plays well and the other half plays miserably? Never good with both halfs at the same time)
Oh I see there is supposed to be a not there. (Right?)
I also want to know why the Panthers do that. Where one week one half of the team looks good. (Offensively -or- defensively) And the other half just sucks.. and then the next time they play the other half looks good while the half that did good last week sucks. Unfortunately, this week is the Offense's turn to look good... well for the first half and then they'll suck. While the Defense goes out to lunch.
Scypio: Panthers and very good? Is this the same team I've been watching play like a bunch of drunken school girls every week? (Or where approximately one half of the team plays well and the other half plays miserably? Never good with both halfs at the same time)
Oh I see there is supposed to be a not there. (Right?)
Yeah, there's supposed to be a "not" in there. I corrected the entry.
Thanks *L* I was confused for a moment. Call it Dirge of Cerebus syndrome.
I have been checking around online and it appears hardly any of the experts are picking the Vikings to beat the Steelers so I guess my concern is vindicated. I still think the Vikings can win this game if Jared Allen can play as well as he has played in a few games this year. If he can take away the time Big Ben needs to throw the ball that will make a big difference in this game.
I really believe this will be decided by the Vikings pass defense.
Another thing that could happen, though I kinda doubt is Adrian Peterson having a big game. However, if the game becomes a shootout then I might have to give the game to Big Ben.
Well, the only good thing about the way that the Bears are playing is that at least we know exactly how good the Bears really are. Or rather, how BAD they really are.
My personal opinion is that it is almost impossible to tell who is the better team when it is a close game, because in a close game, the results can be skewered by a fluke play or a call or whatever. However, when one team blows out the other, you know that over 90% of the time the better team wins the blowout.
So far, this has been the only blowout game that the Bears have been a part of (on the wrong end, unfortunately). And it has been painful to watch.
TheSeventhStooge...
Man, the Vikings/Steelers was great game. There were definately some poor calls but both defenses played outstanding football.
I can't really complain about the Viking loss. It was just one of those games where a good defense wins the game.
Weekend Pics survival.
The Cowboys had me scared ****Less for a good portion of their game but then they came back in a big way. Thank god. If they had lost to Atlanta I'd have been really sad.
The Saints, now -this- was the game of the weekend imo. I've never seen a team keep it's composure so well before, especially when they were so utterly dominated in the first half. They not only came back, but they scored a crapton of unanswered points. and not with the use of Drew Brees really, but instead they did it through an awesome running game. Someone thinks they have an answer for The Saints, and what do they do? Change the rules and style. And then go right on to **** face. What's next? are we going to see the Wildcat package out of them?
The Bears... wow... I had no idea the Bears were that craptastic. The Bengals made them look like a bunch of drunk highschoolers up against pros. I am actually kind of glad I was wrong on this pick. It shows that maybe just maybe Cincinatti is serious this year about taking people down.
Steelers v Vikings... wow. I suppose my earlier season prediction about the Steelers getting better as the weather gets colder. Maybe Favre, needs some arthritis meds when it gets cold? The Steelers defense, not only came alive, but honestly I can't remember a game where they played like that certainly not this season anyways.
Raiders.. I was wrong. but really was anyone expecting me to be right on this one?
Greenbay v Cleveland. Just as I predicted. Cleveland wouldn't even get a TD.
Pats vs Bucs. I suppose the Pats were feeling sorry for Tampa Bay. (Maybe they even gave them children's coloring books after the game and some crayons?) Because they didn't get 70 points on the Bucs. They still utterly dominated Tampa though.
Carolina vs the Bills. FIRE JAKE DELHOMME YOU FRACKIN IDIOT This game was a series of **** ups, on both sides but mainly on Carolina's offense. Their Defense was playing this weekend (just as I predicted) while the Offense went out to lunch. Or rather Jake Delhomme's brain went out to lunch. At no point was he really pressured at all during this entire game. And yet he managed to throw the ball three times to the wrong team, each time resulting in a Bills Touch Down. But now a new element of suck is exposed? The venerable Kasey missed two field goals he had no business missing. In this case I can forgive Kasey. A team that has a roster as fantastic as Carolina's should not be relying ON THE KICKER just to -even the score-. Maybe Kasey was just so in shock that Delhomme could suck so hard that the team needed -him- just to get points on the board.
John Fox, also made a heinously bad call that anyone could have guessed a mile away when Carolina was 4th and 10. You do NOT run the football when you are 4th and 10 and so close to getting a TD. You throw that mother **** I don't care if Shakey Jakey is your QB. Bring in the rookie if you have that little confidence in him. Throw it in. Because honestly, every coach in the league (Of teams that suck) is going to say "Run it in! It's safe!" however, every coach that is in this league that's good and sees how far behind your team is would say "Throw it in". It wasn't the call of a coach that got us into the playoffs how many times, and winning several NFC south titles,and got us into the Super Bowl and gave the Pats their hardest SB win ever. It was the call of a college grade coach and not one of the good ones.
OH MY GOD GOOD NEWS! This just in, my chorus to the Shakey Jakey song. John Fox, just said he's going to evaluate whether or not Jake Delhomme is going to keep his job! (25 minutes after I originally posted this)
Chargers raped the Chiefs just as yall predicted.
49ers vs Texans... yeah... that was just wrong. Not sure what I was thinking there.
Yeah, I did kinda 'meh' with my picks as well. That's why I don't sports bet. :P
What I learned: The Saints are The Team. A trap game saw them sick with an ass-whoopin' hangover and they still got it done. This team is for real. It's hard to pick any team in the NFC that can really challenge them. It's possible, of course, but they look damned good.
The Browns are ... the Browns.
The Pats didn't feel sorry for Tampa Bay. They were just suffering from jet lag from their flight to London.
My Falcons have some work to do. The 'Boys are not the best. Losing to them is a step in the wrong direction.
The Bengals haven't gone Bungle on us just yet.
The Steelers are still the defending champs. As good as the Colts? I dunno.
There are some gaps in the Vikings' armor.
Warner and the red birds ain't dead yet. Nice game last night.
The Giants? A bully team that pads its stats against the chumps of the league.
And that's that for now. Oh, the Buckeyes pwnt the Golden Gophers. That's good news, I guess. How you can lose to the Boilermakers and then beat a slightly better Gopher team is ... odd. But hey, that's college ball.
Shakey Jakey, when you gonna leave!
Shakey Jakey we need a real QB!
Go Cardinals. I don't think they are hot this year, but they don't suck. Go birdies go.
The first part of this article explains why it's now even worse to be a Redskins fan. Poor bastards.
Hopefully the team will somehow be inspired and win some more games. The Brownies don't want the draft position competition. :P
they also banned Tailgating. Yes.
And they aren't the only ones.
Yes, the tradition that is as vital to football as the game itself. Especially with those 250 dollar ticket prices (just for nose bleeds I'm told).
And it's being banned slowly and steadily in the NFL.
Yeah, it's a bunch of crap. If you don't want fans bringin' in signs callin' for your head, it's simple to avoid it. Just don't suck.
for 250 dollars a pop, you should be allowed whatever damn sign you want.
Especially when your team is the Redskins. Because god knows, the other people's signs are more entertaining than watching the Redskins play.
I like how the article says that they should encourage more signs at the stadium. Cuz then no one would have to see what happens on the field. Hmm. Maybe the Browns need more signs ...
While we are at it, Carolina sure could use some.
We barely beat Tampa Bay... I think Cleveland could beat us.
We could also use more streakers. I'm not talkin skinny ones, but big fat bastards running across the field infront of the cameras.
Yeah, that'd still be better to watch than any of those teams. :P
So I guess Tennessee is gonna let Vince Young start again. I don't know what took them so damned long. It's not like they were doing well or anything.
I'm going to assume that decision to not start him was drug related.
Is it too early to do the weekend matchups?
Frig it. I'll do it.
:P
Broncos vs Ravens. I already have this one sided for me. I hate the Modelites. So I'm going Broncos. Well that, and the stats are barely in their favor on this one.
Texans vs Bills. Texans it will be a blow out. The Bills only beat Carolina because Jake Delhomme is the worst QB in the league that can't even throw to the right team when there the nearest opposition might as well not even be on the field when it comes to pressuring him. I watched the Bills self destruct more often than almost any other team in the NFL, and much to my dismay they still won because of Shakey Jakey. They are going to be hung over from the victory they didn't deserve, and the Texans are a much better team.
Da Bears vs The Brownstains. This one was determined before the game began. Da Bears.
Seattle vs Dallas. The Cowboys sure got a break this year on having a fairly soft schedule. Expect another win. The Seahawks are terribad.
Rams vs Lions... oh god.. it's a mash of horrible. I'll say Lions. Not confidently though.
49ers vs Colts... I'm going with the Colts. But it might be a good game.
Giants vs Eagles. Eagles will crap all over the giant's heads. The Giants are a worthless team with a soft schedule except for this game.
Dolphins vs Jets. It will be entertaining, until Miami self destructs again.
Wild cat is good, but really you need more tricks in the bag or else you will be devastated in the 2nd half.
Raiders vs Chargers... Not going there. We already know who is going to win this. And it ain't the NFL rest home (That's the Raiders)
Jaguars vs Titans. Jags. I don't think the Titans have it at all this year.
Panthers vs Cardinals. Do we have a new QB yet? No? Then the Cards. In the semi Micha play by play fashion I'll go ahead and break down how this game will play out. Carolina's offense is going to be playing this week so Delhomme's suck will be less than last week.
That being said he is still Jake Delhomme, and coach John Fox is too nice of a guy to throw the loser out of the game for failing to deliver yet again. The Offense will do everything it can, without having to rely on Jake, but ultimately they will have to. And he'll fail again. The Defense will go out to Lunch during the second half since it's the Offense's week to Shine. The score will be close, until the 3rd Quarter where Carolina will promptly self destruct, Delhomme will throw at least one more interception in this quarter and the Cardinals will be accused of Running Up the Score by the time the game is over with.
Vikings vs Greenbay. I want to watch this game badly. I bet it's not going to be on my crappy Cable. I'm going to say that the Vikings are going to win this one but just barely. It will certainly be fun to watch.
Falcons vs the Saints. The Saints will win this one. And it will be good practice to further maul Carolina when the time comes. After all the Falcons are just a better version of Carolina this year. (And I mean that in the good way) I'm expecting another WTF they can do that week for the Saints.
Broncos vs Ravens. I already have this one sided for me. I hate the Modelites. So I'm going Broncos. Well that, and the stats are barely in their favor on this one.
Broncos. Unless Orton becomes Orton again, the Broncos should win. It's a tough one to call, though.
Texans vs Bills. Texans it will be a blow out.
Texans all day. Bills FTL.
Da Bears vs The Brownstains. This one was determined before the game began. Da Bears.
Next ...
Seattle vs Dallas. The Cowboys sure got a break this year on having a fairly soft schedule. Expect another win. The Seahawks are terribad.
Dallas is a better team. They should win. Finding a real number one receiver helps a lot.
Rams vs Lions... oh god.. it's a mash of horrible. I'll say Lions. Not confidently though.
I'll say the Lions as well. And I will do so fairly confidently.
49ers vs Colts... I'm going with the Colts. But it might be a good game.
The 49ers are a team that's trying to make a move up. The Colts are a team that's firmly at the top. Colts. Should be an easy one, too.
Giants vs Eagles. Eagles will crap all over the giant's heads. The Giants are a worthless team with a soft schedule except for this game.
Hmm. The Eagles lost to the Raiders. Yeah, the Raiders. The Giants lost to the Saints and the Cardinals - a team that has recently remembered who they were at the end of last year. I don't think the Giants are going to lose this game. I could be wrong, but that's my feel on this one.
Dolphins vs Jets. It will be entertaining, until Miami self destructs again.
It'll be fun or ugly. Imagine Sanchise sucking again and the Wildcat falling flat on itself. Ug-ly. I don't think that'll happen, but who knows. I pick Jets.
Raiders vs Chargers... Not going there. We already know who is going to win this. And it ain't the NFL rest home (That's the Raiders)
Should be a painful day for the silver and black.
Jaguars vs Titans. Jags. I don't think the Titans have it at all this year.
I predict a mediocre performance from Young. And that will be enough to defeat the ever 'meh' Jags.
Panthers vs Cardinals. Do we have a new QB yet? No? Then the Cards.
Cards. Birds over cats this time. May be an ugly day, too. It seems the birds are waking up.
Vikings vs Greenbay. I want to watch this game badly. I bet it's not going to be on my crappy Cable. I'm going to say that the Vikings are going to win this one but just barely. It will certainly be fun to watch.
I was a Packers fan before Favre and still am. I'm also a Favre fan. That said, the Vikings are a superior team. They should win. I don't think it will be an embarrasment for GB, but it will be a loss.
Falcons vs the Saints. The Saints will win this one.
I love my Falcons, but I'm not insane. The Saints showed some flaws last week in Miami. They also showed the ability to overcome mistakes and a bad day by Brees. The Falcons are almost there. The Saints are there. Hopefully it'll be a fun one.
I suppose it wouldn't be fair to our readers and respected forumite colleagues if I went ahead and made my season prediction for Carolina would it?
Along with a play by play of each game?
Because I'm fairly certain I can predict what will happen in each and every single one of Carolina's games from here till the end of the season... No scratch that, until five years have passed from now when Delhomme's contract is over with. Do note if a miracle happens and we get rid of Delhomme before then (unlikely since we've already had the worthless gunslinger style qb for seven years and got rid of really good players like Keyshawn who wouldn't take the blame for Jake's bad throws) I will probably change my tune.
I suppose it wouldn't be fair to our readers and respected forumite colleagues if I went ahead and made my season prediction for Carolina would it?
Along with a play by play of each game?
Because I'm fairly certain I can predict what will happen in each and every single one of Carolina's games from here till the end of the season... No scratch that, until five years have passed from now when Delhomme's contract is over with. Do note if a miracle happens and we get rid of Delhomme before then (unlikely since we've already had the worthless gunslinger style qb for seven years and got rid of really good players like Keyshawn who wouldn't take the blame for Jake's bad throws) I will probably change my tune.
I can do the same with Tampa Bay too, they are horrible, and we can't blame it on just one player. I'm ashamed to be a bucks fan this year, though this weekend I won't be watching any football too busy having fun.
Actually Will, we are both wrong... there is one game in each of our schedules we can not accurately predict because of just how terrible our teams are.
When they play against each other next on December 6th. That unfortunately for both of us will be a close game about who screws up more.
I have to say that the Green Bay/Minnesota game is going to be a great game. Brett Favre is an emotional player and everyone remembers how well he played in the Monday Night Game the day his father died.
He is going to be emotional in this game too. However, his opponents are going to be just as emotional. I predict a lot of hard hitting in this game.
Minnesota will likely win but I expect there will be injuries that will hurt them the rest of the season.
Actually Will, we are both wrong... there is one game in each of our schedules we can not accurately predict because of just how terrible our teams are.
When they play against each other next on December 6th. That unfortunately for both of us will be a close game about who screws up more.
I predict a third team comes onto the field and beats them both.
I predict a third team comes onto the field and beats them both.
Well, that third team won't be the Browns. :P Are there any Powder Puff teams in the area?
I don't know, at this point I am starting to think the Browns are better.
Shut your face! That's totally not cool, man! I guess it is possible though. I do think they're better than Tampa. Carolina has more talent, though. I have no idea why they can't figure out how to use it.
Apparently this year has been so unprecedently bad that sports books are taking a beating. The crappy teams are so crappy they can't reliably cover even 12 point spreads. They can't raise the spread because it'll make people even less likely to bet both sides. See, that's how they make money - people bet both sides. As it stands, most people bet the good team against the **** team (Browns, Rams, etc) because they know that even if the **** team is getting 14, they ain't gonna cover. Amazing, really. They're trying to adjust but have been getting their **** kicked the last couple of weeks. Parity in the NFL is gone. Considering we're looking at a possibly cap-free period coming up, expect this to get even worse.
Shut your face! That's totally not cool, man! I guess it is possible though. I do think they're better than Tampa. Carolina has more talent, though. I have no idea why they can't figure out how to use it.
Apparently this year has been so unprecedently bad that sports books are taking a beating. The crappy teams are so crappy they can't reliably cover even 12 point spreads. They can't raise the spread because it'll make people even less likely to bet both sides. See, that's how they make money - people bet both sides. As it stands, most people bet the good team against the **** team (Browns, Rams, etc) because they know that even if the **** team is getting 14, they ain't gonna cover. Amazing, really. They're trying to adjust but have been getting their **** kicked the last couple of weeks. Parity in the NFL is gone. Considering we're looking at a possibly cap-free period coming up, expect this to get even worse.
Two names is why. One is John Fox and the other is Jake Delhomme. JF is an awesome coach.... except for his creepy loyalty to Jake Delhomme. He routinely tells recievers to take the blame for Jake throws. Which probably demoralizes the team. Reason I'm willing to say Browns are > Carolina is because of JD. Hell Carolina just -barely- beat Tampa bay... the browns at least can say their wins were from more impressive teams than what Carolina -barely- won against.
What the hell happened to destroy the parity? last year was pretty entertaining over all. (Lions aside) hell there were even teams taking Dives intentionally to up their draft pick standings (like usual). Was there a change in Draft policy I don't know about?
And I agree Next year is going to be utterly attrocious.
Two names is why. One is John Fox and the other is Jake Delhomme. JF is an awesome coach.... except for his creepy loyalty to Jake Delhomme. He routinely tells recievers to take the blame for Jake throws. Which probably demoralizes the team. Reason I'm willing to say Browns are > Carolina is because of JD. Hell Carolina just -barely- beat Tampa bay... the browns at least can say their wins were from more impressive teams than what Carolina -barely- won against.
Wins? They won one game. And they beat Buffalo. 6-3. Anderson went 2 of 17 with a pick. And he played the entire game. Yeah, real impressive. :P
Our QB is worse than Shakey Jakey. We have another (Quinn) that could be good if he ever threw longer than 5 yards. The problem is, if they let Quinn start 70% of the games, a contract incentive kicks in and they have to give him an additional $10.9 million this year and a similar amount next year. The Browns have given up already. They stopped caring about winning. All because of money. Brady Quinn has to ride the pine because they don't want to pay him. And that's terrible.
What the hell happened to destroy the parity? last year was pretty entertaining over all. (Lions aside) hell there were even teams taking Dives intentionally to up their draft pick standings (like usual). Was there a change in Draft policy I don't know about?And I agree Next year is going to be utterly attrocious.
I have no idea. It was all good for a while. You never knew who was gonna make it to the SB. For a time, everyone but the Lions, Raiders and Rams had at least some chance. Next year will be even worse for us smaller market or cheap-ass owner fans. Our teams will be even worse. Anyone that's good and not under contract will get PAID by a team that wants to win and doesn't care about spending to do it. It's gonna be ugly.
I can't believe they still aren't starting Quinn. How retarded would you have to be?
Is Quinn up for being bought by someone else? He could have a job down here in nice warm North Carolina. I have a gut feeling this is Jakey's last year, because really we have no other QB.. (that is literally the only reason he's still got the job.. our "emergency" guy knows no plays... and our "backup"..... yeah...)
I really don't get Cleveland and teams like it. If they are so tight wadded why even participate in the sport. It's only being a money sink anyway (like anyone really goes to a Browns game. Seriously.). Competition sports (Be it Racing, Football or whatever) is not cheap. And isn't something you make money at unless you blow serious cash to do it.
Cleveland fans are great, raelly. It's just that they've been so bad for so long. The reason no money is put in is cuz the owner also owns an English soccer team and he really only cares about that. And so they're all good with keepin' Quinn on the bench where he can't earn money. They, of course, say that the reason he's out is because they feel that Anderson gives them the best chance to win. Which is ****. But that's what we've got to deal with. Quinn wouldn't care about being traded. He always wanted to play for the Browns, but he's more concerned with actually playing now. My bet is that they try to improve personnell and then start him again next year and see how it goes. They likely gave the team a try out along with Quinn this year. When the team sucked, they decided to save some cash and benched Quinn. Lame, but likely.
Growing up in St. Louis I always believed in the Missouri state motto, The Show Me State. We used to have a football team called the St. Louis Cardinals but their play was so bad that fans stopped showing up to watch the games.
After a while, the owners decided we weren't really a football city and so they moved the team to Arizona. Years later we got the Rams and what do you know, they won some games and people showed up to cheer them on.
They went to the Super Bowl twice in three years, I think (it could have been back to back seasons). Now they suck and people have stopped showing up to the games again. Maybe the owners will learn a lesson and realize fans in St. Louis want to watch their team win but I doubt it.
I think it is more likely that we'll move the Rams again and become a baseball only town again and once again the fans will be blamed and not the franchise.
Brady Quinn is not that good. Besides his first game against the Broncos last year (when the Broncos were one of the worst passing defense), he hasn't done anything. He's played two and a half games and has five turnovers. Its not even like he's putting up TDs or yards with those turnovers. I'm not saying Derek Andersen is the answer, but Brady Quinn just isn't very good so far.
Also, Cleveland spends lots money on their team. I'm not sure about this year, but last year, they were the number four team for highest salary. Of the top 5 (Raiders, Cowboys, Vikings, Browns, Saints), the only team which made the playoffs was the Vikings. Two teams from the bottom 5 salaries (Chiefs, Ravens, Patriots, Colts, Packers) made the playoffs. Not only is the NFL not about highest salaries, but there's a cap and minimum in place.
Some team are just really bad from a combination of bad coaches, injuries, "hand on" owners, or unexplainable circumstances (Titans and Panthers were the two of the best teams last year). I think that since most teams are so close, little differences can swing seasons.
Brady Quinn may not be great, but he is most assuredly better (in his own way) than Anderson. Most people consider Jamacus Russel to be the worst current QB. The stats say that Anderson is worse than him. He's had some impressive QB ratings of late, though. I think the last three or so games average to around 30. That's pretty good considering 'perfect' is like 158.3. :P It's by no means the only - or even the best - measure of a QB, but a rating that low does say something: You probably suck. Hard.
When you start a QB that completes about 30% of his throws when you have a guy on the side lines that has done markedly better in that category and not any worse in the turnover category, you've given up. In this case, they've given up to save money. How the hell is Quinn going to get acclimated to starting in the NFL if he is never allowed to, you know, start? It's a stupid decision and a cold one, too. Cash wins. **** the team. **** the season. **** the fans.
The Browns organization is considered to be one of the worst in the league. Right along with Detroit and Oakland, actually. Guys that can get good front office jobs or good coaching gigs do not want to work for Lerner. The reason? The Browns are - to him - an investment that's about not losing money. Not about making money, but simply not losing any. The team is an afterthought. Another ring in the jewelry box that other people may like but that never gets worn or cleaned. It's just not as prized as the others. And so the Browns will languish in mediocrity until they are sold. And, likely, even after.
The rash hiring of Mangina was ample evidence of that. See, Lerner told us that he wanted to seriously consider his choice for GM and head coach. In a market with Cowher (though he'd never coach Cleveland out of respect to the Rooneys) and Shanahan in it, he couldn't be bothered to wait the two weeks Mike wanted before interviewing. Nope. Too much time to take away from soccer. He never (AFAIK) considered Shottenheimer. Nah. Why would he? Mangenius was there for the taking - all 450 lbs of him. So he took Mangini and all of his faults on the spot. He didn't care that players didn't want to play for the guy. Didn't consider that the fans were frustrated by the previous front office that lied to them and concealed things. If he was, he'd not have hired Mangini. He didn't consider that Mangini hasn't learned anything from failure, either. See, he hires friends first. To solve the Browns' myriad defensive issues, he hired his boy from the Raiders - one of the few teams in the league with a worse defense. He brought players, assistants and everything else imaginable from his pool of friends - guys that have proven only that they can lose. Why? Cuz who gives a **** about winning? This is the Browns we're talking about. Just pay the man so he can get his and get his friends theirs, too. And after one damned interview Lerner gave up on the Browns again. Likely for at least three years. Nice.
I'm not saying Derek Andersen is good, but what was Brady Quinn's QB rating in his last few games? 40? 50? And Quinn completes a much higher percentage of passes because he only throws short passes. If both quarterbacks aren't good, why would you pay one Peyton Manning money? I honestly believe that they're going to try to get a QB next year and dump their current QBs. (Which is why they should've trade at least one before this year.)
I never said that the Browns aren't a bad organization. But they're not cheap. And money doesn't matter as much in the NFL. The Browns spend money, just in the wrong ways. They have a bad (at least for the situation) head coach. I don't know who their GM is, but I assume he's horrible considering their personel moves.
But at least its the NFL, teams can turnaround much faster than the other sports.
You have to ask (IMO) whether Quinn was relegated to short routes by the coaching staff or not. They obviously don't want to pay him and if they allow his incentive to kick in, trading him will be more difficult as it impacts next year's salary, too. I feel he was set up to fail. He's not all that, of course, but he is better than Anderson. Right now, that simply has to be enough. And they're paying Anderson a crapton to suck, too. It'd be nice to pay a possible future starter instead of a one hit wonder and present has been.
The new GM (hired after Mangini - another promise broken by Lerner, no less) is not responsible for Anderson or Quinn. He is responsible for the 'moves' the Browns have made thus far. Savage may have been an ****, but he knew talent. So far, I've not seen the same from the new dude. I guess the center they drafted is ok. The rest? Meh.
The NFL turnaround is likely about to become an impossibility. We're heading toward an uncapped season. The Browns - spenders or not - will not attempt to compete. They're happy with abysmal play and **** culture. Once the cap is gone, it's over for the small market team. Parity has already begun to vanish even with a cap. If it's dropped, you'll be seeing MLB style 'parity'. As in: None.
You have to ask (IMO) whether Quinn was relegated to short routes by the coaching staff or not. They obviously don't want to pay him and if they allow his incentive to kick in, trading him will be more difficult as it impacts next year's salary, too. I feel he was set up to fail. He's not all that, of course, but he is better than Anderson. Right now, that simply has to be enough. And they're paying Anderson a crapton to suck, too. It'd be nice to pay a possible future starter instead of a one hit wonder and present has been.
The new GM (hired after Mangini - another promise broken by Lerner, no less) is not responsible for Anderson or Quinn. He is responsible for the 'moves' the Browns have made thus far. Savage may have been an ****, but he knew talent. So far, I've not seen the same from the new dude. I guess the center they drafted is ok. The rest? Meh.
Yeah, it was a huge mess when you have the potential of two quarterbacks making big money. If they liked Quinn, trade DA. If you liked DA, trade Quinn. There had to be some teams that wanted them before the season. Now, I think it'd be much harder to get some decent for them. And knowing Mangini, if he's allowed to stay for any amount of time, I'm sure he'll want his own quarterback, so I doubt Quinn is going to have a future in Cleveland. That's probably why they don't care if he gets his reps in.
How did you feel about the Braylon Edwards trade?
Cleveland fans are great, raelly. It's just that they've been so bad for so long. The reason no money is put in is cuz the owner also owns an English soccer team and he really only cares about that.
Thats the same exact story as Tampa!!! No seriously if we had owners who gave a damm we could probably be god.
And so they're all good with keepin' Quinn on the bench where he can't earn money. They, of course, say that the reason he's out is because they feel that Anderson gives them the best chance to win. Which is ****. But that's what we've got to deal with. Quinn wouldn't care about being traded. He always wanted to play for the Browns, but he's more concerned with actually playing now. My bet is that they try to improve personnell and then start him again next year and see how it goes. They likely gave the team a try out along with Quinn this year. When the team sucked, they decided to save some cash and benched Quinn. Lame, but likely.
Hey at least they have somebody good.... Bucks have Cadillac Williams and thats it. Im pretty sure a highschool team could beat them.
Yeah, it was a huge mess when you have the potential of two quarterbacks making big money. If they liked Quinn, trade DA. If you liked DA, trade Quinn. There had to be some teams that wanted them before the season. Now, I think it'd be much harder to get some decent for them. And knowing Mangini, if he's allowed to stay for any amount of time, I'm sure he'll want his own quarterback, so I doubt Quinn is going to have a future in Cleveland. That's probably why they don't care if he gets his reps in.
How did you feel about the Braylon Edwards trade?
It's gonna be damned hard to trade DA unless he miracles himself back into mediocrity or his contract is up tomorrow. Nobody wants to pay him what he's making when he's playing like he is. Quinn could theoretically help a few teams and keeping his pay low will make him reasonably attractive. If they don't want him, he'll likely find another gig - and maybe start. I still think he has the potential to be passable. On the right team, that's enough.
Good call about how neither is a Mangini pick. He already brought in Ratliff - who's terrible - from NY. This guy makes me sick. It doesn't matter if you're any kind of good as long as you know this d-bag. Frustrating.
Losing Braylon was a good thing. He wasn't playing when he was in Cleveland and he was overrated anyway. Like DA, one good year against a soft schedule and nothing else. He can't hang onto the ball and he refuses to take those stupid gloves off. He got hurt when he was being stupid (running with no shoes on? what is he? 12?) and then he tried to beat up LeBron's friend. And he was with Stallworth the night he got hammered and killed that guy. They spent thousands partying - which begs the question: Why not hire you pal a driver? Overall, he's not a number one receiver. Too slow with stone hands. He can be a difference maker but he'd never be one in Cleveland. Hell, he even used the 'you guys (fans) don't like/understand me cuz I played for Michigan'. Yeah, he's a tool.
Kellen Winslow was another good deal. Not the deal itself, but dealing him. He's a loudmouth that didn't want to be in Cleveland. Guys like that take a mediocre team and sink it with their negativity and unwillingness to compete. When times are good, they're invaluable. When times are bad, they're a cancer.
If we want to see who's gonna be on the team next year, we just need to look at the Jets and see who played for Mangini but wasn't any kind of good. The Jets won't deal a good player and Mangini doesn't know what one is. :P
The most frustrating thing is their refusal to pay Josh Cribbs - one of the best Special Teamers in the business and someone that has some offensive potential, too. But whatever.
Hopefully they'll draft a first round running back this year - if there's anyone good entering the draft. They've got no running game at all. Harrison can be ok, but he's not great. Lewis is done.
Thats the same exact story as Tampa!!! No seriously if we had owners who gave a damm we could probably be god.
Yeah, the owner is important. If the owner sucks, so does your team.
Hey at least they have somebody good.... Bucks have Cadillac Williams and thats it. Im pretty sure a highschool team could beat them.
The Browns may have two good players. Maybe. Still, that's better than Tampa. Man, that team is terrible. Again. I feel for ya, man. I do.
Thats the same exact story as Tampa!!! No seriously if we had owners who gave a damm we could probably be god.
Yeah, the owner is important. If the owner sucks, so does your team.
Hey at least they have somebody good.... Bucks have Cadillac Williams and thats it. Im pretty sure a highschool team could beat them.
The Browns may have two good players. Maybe. Still, that's better than Tampa. Man, that team is terrible. Again. I feel for ya, man. I do.thanks, and yeah we are horrible this year, ah well I get to mock them relentlessly now.
Today, as a Chicago Bears fan, is a rather sad day for me. On November 1st, 1999, my all-time favorite football player- Walter Jerry Payton, #34- died from a liver disease that he was diagnosed with in 1998.
I didn't have the opportunity to see him play for the majority of his career, as I didn't follow football closely until well after he retired, but I had the chance to see many of his highlights after he was done, including Super Bowl XX and the championship games that led to that game back in 1985. He was such a hard hitter, a powerful runner, that wasn't afraid to do what needed for them to win. He was never afraid to take a hit, he did not do much showboating after a score (if any), and although he was not always perfect in his conduct on the field, he did more to show how to be a gentleman on the field than just about anyone else that has ever played.
And by all accounts, he was as good a man as he was a football player. By no means was he a saint (no one is), but he was genuine and had integrity and was so kind and polite to the fans whenever he ran into them.
Every generation has its handful, or fewer than that, of football icons. Walter was one of them. We Bears fans still miss him, and I know of other football fans that said the same thing. Even Green Bay Packers fans, who hate the Bears as much as we hate the Packers, have said nothing but good about him. One Packer fan, in the game the Bears and Packers played against each other the Sunday after he died, held up a sign that said, "Even Packer Backers Loved This Bear," and at Lambeau Field for that game, they had a moment of silence for him and NO ONE said a peep. To you, Packer fan, I thank you for showing such respect for him.
Incidentally, the Bears won that game when Bryan Robinson, a DE for Chicago, blocked what should have been a game-winning chip-shot field goal that Green Bay attempted. Great way to show tribute to Sweetness.
RIP, Walter. We still miss you. And whatever you, the reader of this post, do, don't ever take anything for granted. Even the strongest and most durable of us can fall to injury or sickness or death without any warning.
TheSeventhStooge...
Weekend picks Survival!
Da Bears vs The Brownstains. This was the exact ass beating I thought it was going to be on the Brownstains.
Seattle vs Dallas. I told you the Seahawks are terrible this year and that the Cowboys would win this pretty easily.
Rams vs Lions: This was as ugly as I expected it to be, but the results were different than I thought. Rams won. Good thing I didn't bet any $ on this one.
49ers v Colts: I told you good game, or that it might be one and it was pleasently enough. Colts won, but the 49ers still played well.
Giants vs The Eagles: Apparently I was one of the few people out there that thought that not only would the Eagles win, but they would crap all over the Giants. They did both.
Dolphins vs Jets: Miami won it. By not totally self destructing. Good job guys. I am kind of glad I was wrong on this one. I have to ask though, have the Jets -ever- won while donning their retro uniforms?
Raiders vs Chargers: Dead on about this one.
Jags vs Titans: I had no idea this one was coming like it did. I figured the Titans were a washed up hackeneyed crew this year. They proved me wrong in a big way.
Texans: Did exactly what I said they would do.
Packers vs Vikings. The Farve and his fellow Vikings I predicted would come out with a win in a close game. I was right. The sheer amount of booing in Greenbay stadium was attrocious. Learn some class you idiots. The man played for you for 16 years. (Even when honestly ya'll had a team so bad that you didn't deserve him. ) Was that not enough? Apparently not. Stuff it. I'll never ever root for Greenbay again. Not even if they play against The Steelers.
Panthers vs Cardinals. This is the big game of the weekend for me, cause I got to watch every bit of it. (Every other game, there was Racing going on, which I'll bring up in another thread) Carolina, got their a... wait... what was this? Carolina didn't self destruct for a change? IS THAT TEAMWORK? That I just saw? an Offense and Defense working on the same punchcard, in the same game no less at the same time? What the ****? Who's smurfing* as Carolina? I was expecting another Jake Delhommian Travesty, but apparently when you tell the Panthers, your coach, your QB and possibly everyone else is now playing for their jobs they actually do their damn job. The Panthers, last night were hitting on all cylinders for the first time, since the Playoffs last year. This is the team, that I expect Carolina to be every week. (As a minimum) Everyone played very well, and the Defense not only was On the clock for the entire game but they MADE PLAYS.
The Panthers went out there as if they had the fear of the Management Gods put into them and played. This was textbook Carolina from start to finish, and there was nothing absolutely nothing that Arizona could do about it. They were destroyed by a Running Game which blindsided the best Run Defense in the league like a mack truck blindsiding a little old lady crossing the street. Kurt Warner had so many throws picked off that he might as well have never thrown, and he was intercepted so many times by a Defense that went after the receivers that they made Arizona look slow.
One thing in this game, that illustrates a Carolina weakness very well though is the Non Existence of a Secondary QB. Jake was wounded last night, and couldn't play the rest of the evening. Moore can't throw and Moore knows it. He handed the ball off... had Jake actually stuck around the score difference may have been even larger. I guess this game proves one thing, if Carolina actually plays like Carolina, games get won.
I'm not expecting a win next week, but if Carolina plays like this against the Saints, but if they play like this, it will be a close game. Very close.
The Saints will probably still destroy Carolina though. (I'm not making that my prediction quite yet though)
Well the Vikings have a bye-week this week. I believe this is great timing. A bye-week right in the middle of the season is just awesome.
Some things that need improvement is second half play. Earlier in the season I defended the Vikings by saying that in three of the first 5 or 6 games they went into half-time trailing and managed to pull out wins.
Lately though, they've gone into half-time with sizable leads and I have watched team after team mount comebacks that nearly foiled the Vikings' wins. There second half defense has got to step it up.
It appears the team is playing a "do only as much as you need to to win the game" kind of game. I don't want to see them "run up the score" against inferior teams but I do want to see them play solid football for the entire game. If the team dominates in the first half then it stands to reason that they would dominate in the second half as well.
On a side note, in a post game interview Brett Favre said that the Vikings this season may be the best team, as far as talent goes, he's played on. I happen to believe this is true.
However, I believe this is going to rub Packerbackers, the few that support Favre, the wrong way. It is funny how the truth sometimes does that. I haven't watched any shows talking about it but I'm sure they're out there.
Anyway, Brett's play this year has been outstanding. I think he's only thrown a few interceptions and two of those came in the loss to the Steelers. He's been pretty much flawless.
Yet, I'm wondering how long he can last. I've read some blogs and articles saying that Favre's hip is giving him some trouble. Aches and pains are nothing new to him and I'm sure he's played through worse but he wasn't 40 then.
One good thing is most of the rest of the season is played indoors or in warm climates with the exception of Chicago in week 17.
Anyway, so far so good, let's hope the second half of the year goes as well as the first half and that the second half play improves.
I'm really glad I don't bet on this stuff. :P
So the Browns fired their GM (or he quit - nobody's tellin' nothin'). I guess they may bring in their GM from back in the '80s when they were pretty good as a mentor for Bernie Kosar until he can take over. That's one theory anyway. Personally, I feel they'd be better off giving Bernie the starting job at QB, but whatever. :P The good news is that it's just about impossible for Quinn to start a total of 70% of the season as QB. So we may see him soon. I still think they're trying to keep his salary down to make him an appealing trade come draft day or offseason so that Mangina can get his own guy in - whoever that may be.
I'm really glad I don't bet on this stuff. :P
So the Browns fired their GM (or he quit - nobody's tellin' nothin'). I guess they may bring in their GM from back in the '80s when they were pretty good as a mentor for Bernie Kosar until he can take over. That's one theory anyway. Personally, I feel they'd be better off giving Bernie the starting job at QB, but whatever. :P The good news is that it's just about impossible for Quinn to start a total of 70% of the season as QB. So we may see him soon. I still think they're trying to keep his salary down to make him an appealing trade come draft day or offseason so that Mangina can get his own guy in - whoever that may be.
Awesome. So you guys are finally going to get someone that you can at least call a QB?
Looks like things are looking up for the Pantywaists and the Brownstains?
Not really. The Stains are still the Stains. Quinn is only marginally better than Anderson so far. That said, I think he has a chance to possibly become ok if he's given a chance to actually play.
It's funny that Kosar is back in town. He was the Browns' last good QB. In the '80s. Heh. 'Course he did have to go to Dallas as a back-up to get his SB ring. Still, the Browns weren't pathetic then. As a matter of fact, there was a time that the Browns were the best team in the world. Easily the best, too. They have a good history. It's that damn pesky present (and, likely, future) that makes 'em look bad.
I dunno ZB, when I was growing up I can't ever remember the Browns being good. I remember, my mom who is a die hard Brownie, when the Panthers came out wondering why the Browns couldn't play like that.
Brett Favre says lots of things that really make no sense. Last season, after defeating the Titans in a REGULAR season game, he said that it was the biggest (or best) win in his career. Did he forget that he won a Super Bowl?
Just so you remember the Packer teams which went to the Super Bowl. I think they were both 13-3 those years.
The Packer team which went to Super Bowl XXXI:
Pointwise, they had the best offense (most points scored) and defense (least points allowed) in the NFL. And to round it out they had great special teams (Darren Howard). They had seven wins by at least 25 points.
Brett Favre won the MVP that year. He had 3, 899 yards, 39 TDs, 13 INTs. Their top reciever, Freeman had 933 yards with 9 TDs. They had two good TEs (Pro Bowler Keith Jackson and Mark Chmura). They basically used a running back by committee. On defense they had Reggie White, Santana Dotson, Eugene Robinson, and LeRoy Butler. Butler and Robinson combined for 11 INTs.
The Packer team which went to Super Bowl XXXII:
Brett Favre won the MVP that year. He had 3, 867 yards, 38 TDs, 16 INTs. He had two 1000 yard recievers (Freeman - 81 catches for 1,243 yd and 12 TDs, Brooks - 60 catches for 1, 010 yards and 7 TDs), a Pro Bowl tightend (Chmura), a Pro Bowl running back (Dorsey Levens) with 1, 435 yards, 7 TDs, and 53 catchs for 5 TDs, and fullback who caught 41 passes. They had Reggie White, Santana Dotson, LeRoy Butler, Eugene Robinson, and a young Darren Sharper (who already had 2 pick 6's) on defense.
I dunno ZB, when I was growing up I can't ever remember the Browns being good. I remember, my mom who is a die hard Brownie, when the Panthers came out wondering why the Browns couldn't play like that.
They were good during the late '80s IIRC. AFC Championship game good. Elway was just better. ;) Before that, they were literally the best team in the world. This was before there was a Super Bowl. Here's a look:
The Cleveland Browns began play in 1946 as a charter member of the All-America Football Conference (AAFC) and joined the NFL in 1950 after the AAFC folded.Cleveland has won a total of eight league championships; they won all four AAFC titles (including a 15-0 undefeated season in 1948), and after joining the NFL won four additional championships prior to the NFL-AFL merger in 1970.
Before that pesky Super Bowl, the Browns were the team.
heh. It's a shame that the Browns have such bad team management. They are almost a gold standard now of what you don't do as a football franchise.
(Of course next year is going to become a Gold Standard for what you Don't do with Professional Anything that involves Athletes.)
Yeah, they've fallen off a bit since their glory days. :P And next year worries me. I am not down with a no cap season.
I'm surprised, that there is not more of an uproar about this. I think next year I'll definitely follow the UFL more closely. At least they didn't go and say "NO CAPS ARE GOOD!"'
By the way Wed at 7pm is their next game probably on VS.
Go Las Vegas Locomotives!
They can't afford to yet. Give it some time. ;)
I wonder if the Cowboys will benefit from a capless season ... :P Say what you will about Jerry Jones, the man loves to win. And he loves to win football games - not soccer games. FU Lerner.
They can't afford to yet. Give it some time. ;)
I wonder if the Cowboys will benefit from a capless season ... :P Say what you will about Jerry Jones, the man loves to win. And he loves to win football games - not soccer games. FU Lerner.
10 years maybe? 20? (Given how things tend go grow faster now than they did through most of the NFL's history.. thanks internet)
Yeah, I'm going to say Dallas is going to be full of PWN next year. The Pats are going to probably suck though. (Wow... what a turn around there..)
Panther's will probably still be good enough at least to take the NFC South... that being said, I don't know how big Carolina Hq's bank roll is going to be for more than one capless season.
Who's idea was this capless crap? After a while, just how much is enough? 5 million a season hell just one season and you can retire.... why would you need more?
I don't know about the Pats. Kraft likes winning football games, too. To be honest, I'm not even sure how it'll work out with standing contracts and the like. It may take years (while those capped contracts expire) to see any real difference.
But the Pats also believe in regulating their player's salaries.
I'm going to risk going out on a limb and say the Pats would sooner find new talent than pay everyone even more exorbitant sums of money.
That's a possibility, too. They are known for making players out of people that other teams gaev up on.
But the Pats also believe in regulating their player's salaries.
I'm going to risk going out on a limb and say the Pats would sooner find new talent than pay everyone even more exorbitant sums of money.
The Pats have regularly been a low payroll team and under the cap. Players have taken less money to play for them in the past and as long as they have Tom Brady, they'll be good.
I agree with Zombies, it'll take a few years of uncappedness for the effects to be felt. Most players are under contract and will just have to wait until they expire (or hold out). It'll probably be rookies who cash in (not that they don't already do that).
It'll probably be rookies who cash in (not that they don't already do that).
Hell, just look at Eli Manning. One of the most overpaid quarterbacks and hasn't been in the pros all that long.
I think he was talking about the ridiculous amount of money first rounders are guaranteed to make with their first contract. They can easily make more money than a proven veteran of the same position even though they've never even gone through a pro practice. It's a system that's all sorts of ****ed up.
That is true, I just went on a tangent as I still think the giants made a bad call in Eli's contract...
Ah. Fair 'nuff. And I don't think you're alone in that opinion. :D
Zombie_Babies:
I heard on the radio this morning that a couple of Browns fan (who are supposedly well known) got to talk with the owner and address their concerns over the team. The fan that they interviewed (I heard it on Mike and Mike) sounded very positive over the owner's desire to win. They also implied that unless Mangini does something this year, he may be out next year.
I'm sure the stations over there are probably talking about it; what do you think?
I haven't heard anything about that yet (though I'll try to look into it - thanks for the heads up) but I have heard enough from Lerner to know he's full of ****. Everything he said he wouldn't do after firing Romeo and Phil, he did. He's the main problem with the franchise - not talent or coaching. I don't like Mangini, but when you've got a d-bag owner, he's the best you'll likely get. The only thing I do believe from Lerner is that Mangini could be gone after a year. Mangini picked Kokinis himself (whaddaya know? another pal from back in the day) and that pick apparently made Lerner look like a tool (as if he needed help). So it's possible that he'd fire Mangini after a bad season next year. As far as winning is concerned? No. I don't believe it. He's simply putting himself in a position to blame the craptastic team on circumstances beyond his control.
I do think that tossing Mangini after next year - regardless of record - would be a massive mistake. Again, I'm not a fan, but doing that would send the wrong message. As things stand, the Browns are seen as one of the most dysfunctional organizations in the NFL. Tossing the Gm so soon kind of backs that up. If Mangini is let go after next year, many would see it as what I said above - Lerner passing the buck. This team is in full rebuild mode. As in from the top down. A season or two - especially one without a GM for a time - is simply not enough time to accurately gauge the direction of the team. Give Mangina 3 or 4 years of failure before aborting the experiment. If anything, it may give some confidence to a good coach that may consider Cleveland a potential place of employment. Do it too soon and you simply won't have that. And that'll limit you to a Mangini caliber coach for the foreseeable future. Which means the cycle will continue. Wrong thing to do, but very possible at this stage.
Hopefully the niners can learn to win.
Carolina played their hearts out and still lost. That being said that was the closest the Saints have ever come to losing a game this season.
Against any other team they would have won yesterday (Carolina), unfortunately they were playing The Saints. The QB just isn't good enough to seal the deal at Carolina.
I don't really feel bad about this loss for Carolina, because frankly they just proved that when they want to be, they can be a Super Bowl caliber team this year. They unfortunately also proved as if we needed any more proof that Jake Delhomme just isn't good enough to get the job done. He can get us there, but he can't win it.
The Bengals did it again. So that's cool. Ohio has a football team this year. :P
The Colts duh. Did you expect any less of them than to win again?
Didn't they rush for over 200 in that game? That's hella-impressive against the Saints. I saw the score last night when Carolina was in control (the game was not available in my area -yay - oh, they also pre-empted the Arizona game for the GB/TB debacle. I wanted to watch Beanie Wells, dammit! :P) and I admit to rooting against your Cats, Micha (lol - maybe we should call them the 'Can'ts' :P). I wanted the Saints to stay undefeated for some reason. Colts, too. Both made it more interesting than it should have been, too. I'll also admit to cheering for the friggin' Bungles. Er, I mean Bengals. They are the conference leaders right now.
The Browns managed not to lose. Cuz they had a by week. :D With Tampa winning, it helps their odds of getting that first pick. With how good the new Tampa QB looked, I'd also call 'em the better team right now. But I'm biased and the Browns don't have a QB at all. :P
The best game of the weekend for me was the OSU game. They dominated the Nittany Lions at Happy Valley. I didn't get to see it, but it's still a huge, huge win. The first 'Big Game' they won in some time. And it's the first time they beat an opponent ranked higher than them since the lat game of the '06 season (IIRC). But that's not why it's such a big win. With Iowa's loss at home to Northwestern, the Buckeyes could win the conference. Win out (Iowa and at Michigan) and win it all - and a trip to the Rose Bowl for the first time since 1998 (IIRC). Since Iowa not only lost but also lost their starting QB to an ankle sprain (he's doubtful for the OSU game) and Michigan is once again terrible, the Buckeyes have a real shot of making it to Pasadena. And likely getting beat in a big game again. ;)
I was rooting against them too somewhat. I was torn in that game for who to pull for. Carolina is my home team, but the Saints are my favorite team otherwise (and have been since Katrina happened).
They did a close up shot of Delhomme and everyone as they were lining up fairly early on, when Carolina was raping New Orleans, and the look on Delhomme's and his teammates faces actually sent a chill through me. I hadn't seen that look since they were in Super Bowl contention. They had the want to win in their eyes. I'll cheer for Carolina this year, as long as I can see that look in their faces and in how they play. I won't ask for Super Bowl contention every year, or even play off contention. As long as you play with heart I'll root for you. (Which should tell Cleveland something about their team, and the other teams I won't root for) Carolina didn't play like that or look like that early on in the year, they played as if they expected the other team to just roll over for them for no reason at all. Something changed at Carolina (probably being told you are all going to get fired if you play like a bunch of drunk highschoolers ever again) when they went to Arizona. I wish they could have some Do over games, because Carolina now, would have beaten the living snot out of most of the teams they lost to early on.
I don't think our Defense did as good of a job this weekend as they did vs Arizona, and that's what we really needed. Play making Defense.
Well, the good news is that they've shown improvement. Carolina, Tampa and even Tennessee have shown that they want to and can get better. The Stains, otoh, have shown that they can and want to get worse. Not the players, of course, but the powers that be.
I can't believe you guys! How can you like the Saints (especially Cpt_Micha)? I think the Saints are one of my most hated teams, which is suprising because I really like Drew Brees (carryover from his Charger days). I hate how they're "everyone's 2nd favorite team" because of Katrina. I hate Reggie Bush and how he was the most overrated player in the history of ratings. And I clearly hate how they're really good this year.
Hopefully some player from the U has a huge role in defeating them and says something stupid concerning a Hurricane devastating New Orleans again.
But what I learned this week:
The Cowboys are legitimately good.
The Giants are legitimately bad.
Greenbay is a bad team.
Hey now, I just like 'em cuz they're typically fun to watch. Explosive offense and all that. They're not my second favorite team - not even close, actually. They're just good and good in a way that's exciting. I don't even consider Katrina when I think about the Saints, either. Oh, and Bush is terribly overrated and I think he made a mistake when he let his relationship with Kim end. :P Oh, the U comment was funny as hell. And also likelyto happen at some point considering the consistant output of talented thuggery that particular institute of 'higher learning' is known for. :D
Re: What you learned. Yep. All of it true. And that pains me as Green Bay is one of my favorite teams. I knew they were bad early, though. No offensive line. Can't win without one. And when Tampa Bay can get to your QB like that, you suck.
I can't believe you guys! How can you like the Saints (especially Cpt_Micha)? I think the Saints are one of my most hated teams, which is suprising because I really like Drew Brees (carryover from his Charger days). I hate how they're "everyone's 2nd favorite team" because of Katrina. I hate Reggie Bush and how he was the most overrated player in the history of ratings. And I clearly hate how they're really good this year.
Hopefully some player from the U has a huge role in defeating them and says something stupid concerning a Hurricane devastating New Orleans again.
But what I learned this week:
The Cowboys are legitimately good.
The Giants are legitimately bad.
Greenbay is a bad team.
heh. N.O needs something to feel good about (It sure as hell ain't the rebuilding of their city that's for damn sure good job FEMA!) something, anything. It helps that the Saints have been entertaining to watch since I started following them.
Yeah, the Cowboys are good. I had that figured out when they raped Carolina. :P Carolina earlier this year was like a litmus test. If you were legitmately good you could beat them competently. If you suck, the only reason you won was because of Jake Delhomme.
I had the Giants figured for being terribad.
Greenbay, with fans like they have I could see why they suck.
Greenbay, with fans like they have I could see why they suck.
Hey man! I'm a fan! What the hell is that supposed to mean?!?! :P
Hey man! I'm a fan! What the hell is that supposed to mean?!?! :P
Were you at Greenbay stadium booing Brett Favre? No? then you are exempt. :P
Ah. Exempt is good. So is Favre. :P
Greenbay, with fans like they have I could see why they suck.
What do you expect, he joined a rival team? It only seems logical that they boo him now. Ya should boo the enemy and boo traitors.
What do you expect, he joined a rival team? It only seems logical that they boo him now. Ya should boo the enemy and boo traitors.
Considering he was their hero for how long? At the very least they could have shown him the respect he was due. Especially since he stuck with them during years where frankly Greenbay didn't deserve him.
Then again, I was raised to have at least some form of sportsmanship and class, and that's something utterly lacking in most people.
The main argument in favor of Favre was that the team was moving forward with Rodgers. It may have been Favre's actions that set that in motion, but once it was set, the team could not afford to go back to Favre. And why should a guy that obviously still wants to play and can still play at a high level be satisfied as a back-up? He moved on because that's what he needed to do (after that retirement BS, of course). Going to the Vikings? Sure, it was a little bit of a dig. But it also was the aging legend's best shot at winning another Super Bowl. See, the Vikings had every piece in place except one - the QB. All other contenders have a QB. So where should he have gone?
That said, he was a douche with all the drama and fans will be fans. Which means he'll be boo'd. And, in a way, rightfully so. He should just be happy he wasn't an Eagle all that time who then retired to join the Giants. If that was the case, he'd be dead. :P
He could have come here to Carolina! We've been needing a good QB for years now, and we have all the other right pieces! He's even the kind of QB we like with the gunslinger style. Really it'd be like having a better Delhomme.
At least he admitted to being abit of a douche with his sears commercials though.
Yeah, those commercials went a long way in me seeing him as more than a d-bag, actually. If he can make fun of himself for acting like an idiot, it kind of makes it better somehow. :P Oh, I also think the Vikings have a better supporting cast than the Can'ts do. Plus Carolina ain't Minnesota. How could Favre rub **** in the face of the staff at Green Bay if he played in Carolina? :D
I already knew Green Bay was not playoff material this year (though I still didn't expect that Tampa win). I just want them to beat the Bears, their oldest rivalry.
Yeah, those commercials went a long way in me seeing him as more than a d-bag, actually. If he can make fun of himself for acting like an idiot, it kind of makes it better somehow. :P Oh, I also think the Vikings have a better supporting cast than the Can'ts do. Plus Carolina ain't Minnesota. How could Favre rub **** in the face of the staff at Green Bay if he played in Carolina? :D
I don't know about the supporting cast. Delhomme's just so bad it's hard to say which of the teams has a better team. (If you took Favre and Delhomme out of the picture)
But I will concede the point of, being able to really rub it in Greenbay's face by going to the Vikings.
I already knew Green Bay was not playoff material this year (though I still didn't expect that Tampa win). I just want them to beat the Bears, their oldest rivalry.
Yeah, it was pretty obvious from even before the season started. But a boy can hope, can't he? :P
I don't know about the supporting cast. Delhomme's just so bad it's hard to say which of the teams has a better team. (If you took Favre and Delhomme out of the picture)
But I will concede the point of, being able to really rub it in Greenbay's face by going to the Vikings.
Carolina doesn't have Adrian Peterson. The end. :P And their D is not on the same level as the Vikings. I'm not saying they're terrible even without Shakey, I'm just sayin' they ain't the Vikings.
But they don't have Smith, Davis, Williams, Peppers or Kasey (even if he is getting up there in the years). There are a few others on Carolina that are good too. (Gamble for example)
I'm still trying to figure out how Greenbay got massacred by Tampa. Other than maybe Tampa just went postal on GB.
Apparently GB has only won one game in the past seven or eight years in Tampa for some reason. The winning QB? Favre. Using that new QB seemed to have helped, too. And when you're just about the last winless team (if not the last), you tend to play harder in big games. Hell, the Browns beat the Giants - fairly badly - last year in a prime time game. There's a reason playing a loser in their house is sometimes called a trap game.
Brady Quinn is starting Monday night against the Ravens - the last team he played against before being benched in favor of the Miracle Kid (for the opposition) Derek Anderson. His stat line against the Ravens for that last half of football he was allowed to play in are impressive. 34 yards and one pic. Amazingly enough, that's better than Anderson has been of late. Yes, friends, the Browns are a professional football team. In the article that tipped me to this, I ran into an interesting quote listing a fun fact or two. And hyar it beh:
Quinn, who is 1-5 in six career starts, will try to kickstart an offense that has produced just five touchdowns-two less than New Orleans' defense- and is ranked 30th in scoring, 31st in total yards and 32nd in passing yards.
That's right, buds. The Browns are dead last in passing, second to last in total yardage and third to last in scoring. And that doesn't even touch the D. ;) What's most impressive is that the Saints defense has been to the end zone more often than the Browns' pathetic offense. That's damned cute. The mind boggling aspect of this li'l gem o' numbers is that there are teams somehow worse than the Browns in two key areas. How the **** did that happen? :P
I'd say ask Jake Delhomme (believe he has the current high total in Ints for the season).
But yeah I was watching the Saints vs Panthers game when that line about the Saints D having scored more than Cleveland's offense was dropped.
They dropped it when talking about Carolina was ahead of the Saints and they were suprised the Cats had the ability to do so.
Yeah, that's a fun stat, no? Holy crap are the Browns abysmal. Currently, posting here is abysmal, too. Stuff pops up late when typing it, posts come up with no text, having issues with backspacing. What the hell are the monkeys up to now.
*kicks the site for good measure.*
I laughed my ass off when they dropped that Browns comment. My dad thought I had gone insane (He doesn't watch football, he was watching the motorcycle race at the time)
This is the worst they've sucked in as long as I can remember. Kinda like this site.
watch what 51 UF does with his right hand
He received a half game suspension for it.
The offensive line stinks; they can't block anyone or open any holes for Forte to run, and I am so afraid that Cutler is going to get pounded. The defense is not showing any discipline; stupid penalties, Tommie Harris gets ejected barely into the first quarter of that fiasco against Arizona, and so on and so on.
I still think that Cutler has been very effective, but his numbers will not show it because of stupid penalties and the lousy offensivel line hurting his running game and his timing.
My expectations of Chicago are pretty much unchanged from the beginning of the year. If they can somehow get past the 49ers (which means STOP GETTING CALLED FOR DELAY OF GAME PENALTIES!!!!!!!!), they might, just might make the playoffs but they will probably get killed in the first round. But I am not holding my breath.
TheSeventhStooge...
Hey! The Lions and the Bucs suck hard, too! :P
Yeah, I actually completely forgot about the Bucs. The Lions do suck, but they're really young and had like 11 draft picks (5 in the first few rounds) last year, so their fans can have hope. They're already much better than they were last year. I think they might be not horrible in a few years.
But its hard to say that about those other teams.
With the Vikings helping them, the Lions stayed in the game until the beginning of the 4th Quarter. Once again, Brett Favre was flawless and his connections with Rice were spectacular but the Vikings looked rusty coming off the bye.
Oh well, I'll take the 8-1 record but I hope they play better against the Sea Hawks next week.
That's the important thing. We might still make the playoffs, if they put their heads down and continue playing like they are right now. Atlanta was shown up, by the team that more or less embodies the playstyle that they share.
I wish we could have some do over games. Because we would utterly destroy a few of those teams we lost to in a rematch.
Go Bengals as well!
I suspect it went something like this "If you, any of you ever play like a bunch of Drunk Highschoolers again you are fired"
Having one's job on the line can be... inspirational for some. Apparently it worked for the Panthers.
So my Birds got ate by Micha's Cats (no longer the Can'ts). And they're pretty much done. At least the Pack came through. Man, Dallas sure can't decide whether or not to be a good team. And I can't wait to watch a li'l of the game tonight! Brady Quinn gets the start against the Ravens! And he's gonna be the QB that ... loses. The Browns suck and the Ravens are not happy with their season thus far. It will be ugly. There is always, of course, a tiny, tiny ray of hope. See, the Browns annihilated the defending champ Giants on Monday night last year. So there's a chance, I guess. Yeah. I can make myself believe that. :P Ok, I really just want to see Quinn do a little better than Anderson. That's a win in my book. Cuz it proves Mangina was just saving cash and is a horrible coach/person. Oh wait, that's no kind of win ...
So the Buckeyes are BCS bound - most likely the Rose Bowl. Hopefully they'll find an offense before then. So ... they're probably gonna lose. But whatever. All I know is that I hope whatever team they get doesn't start a freshman QB. The Buckeyes can't handle that for some reason. Against USC, they made Barclay look great - and he's not (look at the record, folks). Against Iowa, they made Vandenberg look like the next big thing - until the overtime period. Once that started, the defense remembered that Iowa's coach compared them to an NFL caliber unit and that Vandenberg - mommy in the stands - played terribly the week before. An incomplete pass, stuffed run, sack to knock them out of FG range and a pick in the end zone later, the OSU 'offense' stumbled for maybe a yard to let their newb kicker win the game. Yes, friends. The Buckeyes - 17 point favorites thanks to the freshman QB - gutted out a 3 point OT win. Yay. Things are lookin' great for that Rose Bowl game. Ugh.
Hey ZB we were in the same state over the last four days! :P
(nothing else was on, and I was coming back on Sunday so I missed my Cats eating the Birds live)
I hope you guys beat the Modelites, but we both know that isn't going to happen ever. At the very least I hope your QB doesn't make a total fool out of himself. But then this is the Brownstains we are talking about. If anything they will screw themselves out of a First Round draft by winning at least one more game (Bet it's this one they win if any)
The Ravens have not impressed me at all this year, so I'm expecting the game to be pretty ugly either way.
So how do the Packers lose to Tampa Bay - and ugly, too - and then beat the Cowboys convincingly? How does that happen?
But to be fair Tampa Bay isn't playing like they were earlier this year either. The new QB really livened them up. I suspect they too got a Motivational Speech by their owners similar to Carolina.
With Tampa getting better with seemingly every game they play, my Cats going up against them again will be interesting to say the least. I had that one pegged as a sure fire win for my cats, for a season sweep but if Tampa keeps improving I dunno if that will be so easy.
I think the Vikings are in serious trouble though. I'm not liking how close their games have been, repeatedly. Especially since it was the domesticated Lions they were playing against this weekend.
New Orleans needs to get a fire back under their ass too. Because their game frankly was sorry and pathetic this weekend. I'm actually looking forward to the rematch with Carolina. They almost lost the the Damn Rams for crying out loud.
Next match against Carolina, I'm favoring my Cats.
I won't get to see the game thanks to the NFL Network. *roll eyes* But I think the Cats will trounce the fish.
Cats, eat Birds and Fish. Miami is screwed. They aren't as good of a team in my opinion as the Falcons, and they suffer even more stamina issues. As the season goes, on Miami really doesn't get better traditionally. And Carolina does. (Though we need to get our Run Defense back!)
No run defense means a long, long day against a Wildcat team. But Miami is on a downswing and the Panthers are steppin' up. So I have no idea what will happen. If you can't stop the run, though, Ronnie Brown and Ricky Williams will make you pay. Over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and ...
Our Run D isn't -terrible- right now, but one of our main men is down right now (Davis). Our idea of "bad Run Defense" is still better than alot of the teams Miami's played against with their cute one trick pony playstyle. :D
The good news for us, is Gamble is really coming into his own on Defense. I'm surprised at how versatile he really is.
I don't think Miami is at all ready for Carolina defensively speaking. I'm expecting big scores for Carolina to come from their legendary running game and massive yardage. Smith might get a throw here and there, but this coming game I think Carolina is going to Run it in.
The Saints might actually lose to Tampa Bay next week. I will still lean on them winning more than losing, but if I were a betting man, I'd bet somewhere else that Tampa would win that game just to make sure your bases are covered.
They can turn it on or off like a switch. I think some teams they honestly break out their A Game for, and others they just ride around.
But I don't know, judging from just how -bad- they look at times. I'm starting to think they are going to be running into Consistency issues. Maybe Brees overthrew himself early in the season.
I wouldn't be alot of money on Tampa, (Because you'll make all the money back from the long odds anyway and everyone else betting against them :P) but I wouldn't avoid betting on them by any means.
It was a big game that would have really helped them. There's a huge difference between 6-3 and 5-4. But luckily, lots of NFC teams lost so 5-4 is still the lead in the wildcard race. Atlanta has some hard games coming up so hopefully the Turner injury won't be serious. Although before the season started, I thought Atlanta was going to have a worse year. I thought they beat up on some bad teams last year (AFC West + NFC West) and were going to be average because of a tough schedule (AFC East + NFC East). Hopefully, I'm wrong and they recover.
The Packers are still a mystery because as soon as I'm convinced they're horrible, they trounce the Cowboys. They had a shutout going until the game was almost over.
Carolina/Miami would have been a really good game, but apparently Ronnie Brown is hurt. I didn't get updated reports, but I heard initially he broke his ankle. If that's true, the Dolphins season is pretty much over since he's the centerpiece of the Wildcat. Its a shame since I do like the Dolphins.
Crap. I didn't know Ronnie Brown got hurt. Miami will lose that game.
Ronnie Brown is down?
Sucks for Miami. Really really sucks. I was hoping for a good game. (A very high scoring one.)But now, unless Miami has some tricks no one knows about other than their one trick pony style they are screwed.
Forcast goes from, being beaten to being Dominated. I'm expecting at least a 2 TD difference now between their scores.
I was just reading up the Ronnie Brown/Michael Turner injuries.
Ronnie Brown's X-Rays were negative so its a sprain, but the extent is unknown as of now although he was on crutches after the game. But since its a Thursday game, there's not much time for a recovery even from a typical ankle sprain so he'll either not play or be much weaker during the game.
Turner's injury is also supposed to be a sprain, but it seems to be more serious. It could be the dreaded high ankle sprain which could sideline him for a few weeks. Apparently the Falcons are thinking of signing players to fill the RB gap.
I doubt there'll be more good information until the MRI and since its the NFL, the injuries will probably be kept mysterious until gameday.
"If we had one of those jumbotrons like you see in other stadiums, he would have seen the guy catching up to him and would have put the ball away better."
Are you kidding me? A football player at this level should know to put the ball away at all times. When I was in High School our coach was adamant about holding the football while you run and we ran drill after drill about protecting the football.
There is no excuse for sloppy play and Peterson was sloppy on that play. It's as simple as that. You don't make excuses when your player plays poorly. You ream him so that he doesn't do it again.
That just pisses me off.
Really... that excuse? So they are saying that this player is so stupid in effect that he's not smart enough to protect the football constantly anyway and that he needs visual stimulation to tell him to do so?
You know, as cruel as I am to Jake Delhomme I'm not even that mean to the guy.
Fire them.
All of them.
Burn their stadium to the ground, fire Mangini (especially this one)
Sell the name to some one else and start over.
Yes I watched that "game" last night. (I can't call that Football I'm sorry) And it was just so profoundly bad. The Lions are a better team. I will not watch a Browns game again until, they get rid of Mangini, and most of the team.
I wanted them to lose they were so bad.
Hey now. They looked good for the first half! Ok, so it was more of the Ravens looking bad, but they looked bad playing against the Browns! At least the one pick I saw Quinn throw was only kind of his fault. A little behind, but it was intercepted cuz it was tipped. The best news is that the only good player on the team got hurt on the last play of the game. Oh wait, that's not good news ...
Yeah I have no clue what the hell they were thinking on that last play. The clock is almost out. Just drop the damn ball you losers it's not like you are going to send the game into OT, not worth the risk of injurying your only good player on the team. (Quinn just doesn't suck he's not good. he just don't suck like Anderson does)
Remember, the Ravens were playing with alot of injured and not in the game primary players. That doesn't make the Ravens look worse or the Brownstains look better in my eyes. Especially since those Replacements are hardly if ever used.
Cleveland lacks, in athleticism, strategy, motivation and the will to win. They are slow, clutzy and in general uncoordinated. The announcer said it best last night. They could have Drew Brees or Brett Farve, Manning, or Brady and they would still not be able to do anything because there's frankly no supporting cast in Cleveland.
I knew why Quinn wasn't throwing long. It's because his receivers are so damn slow that he knew they wouldn't be down field fast enough for the ball to get there. Which he proved in the last quarter of the game when he started throwing long.
if Cribbs is injured, then Cleveland is done for as far as any more wins are concerned. Isn't he the only guy on the team that's scored points other than the kicker?
Also question: How bad does the team have to do before they lynch Mangini? And fire the team?
Also where the crap were his Safeties? Drinking on the job? I haven't seen such gawd awful quarterback protection since the last Raiders game I watched four years ago.
Carolina FIRE JAKE DELHOMME NOW.
Last night for those of you that might have missed it we lost.
24 to 17. All because of one man who has utterly convinced himself that he's a Brett Favre, Drew Brees, or Peyton Manning. We have a guy that can't throw the ball that thinks he is a Quarterback. I knew we were going to be in trouble, the moment the telecasters said "jake seemed really relaxed tonight, rather than tight"
Anytime Jake is relaxed he starts to think he's worth anything, and thus starts trying to play a Passing game. The first half was nothing but wasted plays thanks to Jake Delhomme and his head traumad self, and the second half wasn't much better.
The team as a result of Jakey deciding he was Drew Brees, played like **** as well during the first half probably wondering as I was "WHAT IN THE HELL ARE YOU THINKING JAKE!?". I turned it off, before the second half when the score was something like 14 to 3 and went to go mess with one of my cars in Forza3 and then read a chapter in the Outlaw Demon Wails.
So now that our Playoff chances are gone, I can scratch Carolina off of my Bullets for the Superbowl. Thanks Jake. What an ass.
That leaves me with, The Bengals (yay!), The Saints, The Colts, The Vikings and the Pats.
I thought Carolina turned the corner and was going to be dangerous, but maybe that was premature since they still were under .500.
Delhomme especially. The few times they did run the ball they did fairly well really. (In the first half at least) Passing up a touchdown for a **** field goal wasn't the smartest decision ever by any means either.
Delhomme isn't built to throw which is about half of Carolina's problems on a given night. Especially on nights where the Defense is on protest because they know Jake sucks at throwing.
Funny thing is the D still kept the game close enough that had Carolina's offense actually played they could have still turned it around. They are just utterly bad.
I'm not liking this year's edition of 'The Game'. Ohio State has nothing to play for. Literally. They won a tight game in OT to secure their place in the Rose Bowl and will have at least a share of their 5th straight Big Ten championship no matter what happens in Ann Arbor. Michigan, otoh, has everything to play for. One more win and they're bowl eligible. One more win and they won't have a losing season - which means they avoid back to back losing seasons. They may well be playing for Rich Rod's job, too. And it's Senior Day for the Wolverines, too. These seniors have never defeated the Buckeyes. So that's not cool.
Michigan can have a very potent offense when it's not up its own ass. The Buckeyes are not built to come from behind. The passing game just doesn't exist. So, if Michigan comes out hot and can avoid turnovers, they have a shot. They're run D is pitiful, though, and OSU is averaging over 200 ypg lately in Big 10 play. So there's that. And OSU's D is one of the best in the nation, too. So they've got that, too. But it's a rivalry game and that means anything is possible.
The Buckeyes have been terrible against two not so good freshman QBs this year, too. They made Barkley (USC) and Vandenberg (Iowa) look great. They're not. Guess who Michigan has as a starting QB? Tate Forcier - a freshman. The one major difference, though, is that Tate has played all year and that means 11 games of tape for the Buckeyes to scout. With USC, they had one game. Iowa? About a half. So maybe it's a familiarity issue. We'll find out. Tomorrow. Go Bucks!
Stupid panthers.
My friend sent me a fun video text the other day. It was an animation of Brutus (the Buckeye mascot) bending over the Wolverine and goin' to town on it. The end featured one of Ohio's favorite songs:
'We don't give a damn about the whole state of Michigan
Whole state of Michigan
Whole state of Michigan
We don't give a damn about the whole state of Michigan
Cuz we're from O - HI - O!'
Nice.
Who is THE Ohio State University going to play in the Rose Bowl? Are they going to killed again or do they have a chance at winning a bowl game finally?
Well, it's traditionally the Pac 10 champ - which is traditionally USC. Not this year, though. Lookin' like Oregon or maybe Stanford. I think. Either way, I don't know how OSU will fare. Typically notsogood. This year, though, they're two out of three in 'big games'. The loss to USC is all sorts of bad lookin' back, the win over Penn State is 'meh' at best and the win over Iowa is kinda ok. SO yeah, they'll probably get killed. Having no offense to speak of will do that to a team. Even if the defense is great, when they play the whole damned game by themselves, bad things happen. The conventional wisdom is that OSU will be humiliated. I don't know about all that. But with the last few years and the new habit of losing it all in the last moments, I am not confident.
But I'm not a college football fan in general so I have no idea how things work.
I never understood the college football. The Rose bowl is one of the big BCS bowls, right? Aren't there four of those (one being the National Championship game)? So I don't understand why its not just matchup between the top teams. I just looked at the BCS standing and OSU is 10 with Stanford at 17. Is the Rose Bowl always Big 10 v Pac 10 no matter the team's rankings? But I'm not a college football fan in general so I have no idea how things work.
There are the 4 BCS bowls and the Nat Champ game. It takes place in one of the BCS bowl locations. Each bowl has traditional selections but can vary if the bowl committee chooses to. The only game that rank matters for (when it even does) is the Nat Champ. The others are just tradition more than anything else. Well, that's a lie. They're all about the money first and foremost. I'm talking huge, huge money. Like enough to fund your entire athletic program if you make a BCS game money (well, at least the entire footall program). And the bowls make huge, huge money, too. It's a crock of ****, really. And that's why I'm all for a playoff.
Oops. It appears I was wrong about who may face OSU in the Rose Bowl. Apparently it's Oregon or Arizona. Just not used to it not being USC, I guess. :P
EDIT: Forgot an imortant point. Since it's about money, the selection committees tend to pick teams that draw well for raod games and have a national fan base. OSU, Penn State, Michigan, USC, Florida, Texas, Miami, LSU, etc can do that and, if it comes down to them or a team that can't, they'll likely get the nod. Cuz they can draw more viewers which jacks up the price of advertising which makes more, you guessed it, money.
Oh, Go Lions. Good job beating up the Browns. You have proved to me now that you aren't the worst team in the NFL.
On the good news side, Quinn has just shown us he can throw. Between him and Cribs they have a good start at getting an actual team together.
Looks like the bengals rolled over for the raiders once again. If I recall correctly, they have yet to beat Oakland in Oakland. They still have a better standing than my packers but oh well...
:P
My hometeam has a couple of losers that are dragging down the rest of the team on it.
My Falcons suck. Yeah, I said it. Stoopid Falcons.
The Bengals turned Bungle for a week, eh? Nice.
By the way, when the hell is the moronic NFL gonna switch the OT rules to NCAA style? They keep saying that the current system is fair, but it ain't. At least one announcer said it out loud last night. Course some of his suggestions were just stupid and he never mentioned an NCAA style OT, but at least he said a change needs to be made.
So The Game was a win. OSU beat Michigan in the Big House. What's that mean? An outright Big 10 championship (thanks to the tiebreaker win over Iowa). The first time since 1963 that the Wolverines have had two straight losing seasons. The second year in a row that they will not make a bowl game (as in any bowl game). Michigan's graduating seniors have never, ever beaten Ohio State. And Tressel ties the longest winning streak in the series at 6 games. The last time it was that lopsided? The 1920s. Suck it Michigan. You're terrible. :P
Too bad OSU will likely get blown out in the Rose Bowl by (probably) Oregon. Oh well. I guess there's some sort of hope for that game, right? No? Ok. :P
Oh yeah baby, 9-1 and we showed that we don't need to rely on Favre for all our success
Stoopid Steve Smith, needs to learn to keep his trap shut. He's not that good of a reciever and he should know by now Jake isn't someone that can throw anyway. "I don't get the ball enough. Jake throw it to me!" ..........so you can guess just how the stinkingly bad Fish beat us on Thursday. And Shakey Jakey needs to learn never listen to Steve Smith.
No wait. I'm not.. after all no salary cap next year.
So in about five years or so, assuming sanity isn't restored between now and then (the time for most players contracts to expire) expect football to become as much of a lame joke as baseball.
The United Football League. Where they aren't bat **** crazy. They play pretty well (at least the few games I've watched so far) and it's good football. My team in the UFL is the Las Vegas Locomotives, at least until my state gets a team.
www.ufl-football.com/
they just started this year. So this is perfect timing potentially.
But I would hate to use the NCAA OT rules. I honestly think that the NFL ones are better but that's mainly just because I hate the NCAA ones. I really dislike when they change the game just to pick a winner. It'd be like if in baseball you get two options, either sudden death extra innings or you start every inning with a player on second. They're both bad systems, but one is just horrible.
I don't understand why they don't just play a 10 minute period. If its a tie, then its a tie. If its the playoffs, just either add additional periods or make the game go sudden death (without rekicking or anything) after 10 minutes.
There may be an almost 50-50 ratio for winning the coin toss and winning the game, but the statistic skews with more modern play. I want to say that if you look at stats from the last 10 or 20 years, the ratio shifts towards 65-35 or something. I think most people hypothesize that its due to better kickers and they moved the kickoff point so teams start in better field position. So I definately don't think its fair.
I think most people watching the game knew that if the Falcons won the coin toss, they'd win the game (pending something weird like an injury or brutal penalty). They scored on every possession they had since half time.
But with that said, I did think that the Falcons were going to regress this year due to a much harder schedule. They pretty much beat up on bad teams last year (mainly the NFC West and AFC West). This year, their schedule is much harder (NFC East and AFC East).
I think the #1 overall pick is seriously overrated in the NFL.
I also heard that no one (players, owners, etc) really wants a capless time because the owners obviously want to save money and apparently players would lose a year or two of free agency. I'm not sure how it works, but that's what I heard.
Also, I don't think baseball is so bad. A good amount of different teams compete and win the World Series. If you want a league with little to no parity, the NBA is just awful. Even though half the league makes the playoffs, its always the same few teams which win the title every year. Since 1980, the same 8 teams won the title. I think from that time, its been like 18 different MLB teams (half the league).
College OT is fair. Each team gets a chance to score. There's no sudden ending. You're placed into scoring position, have a chance to earn a first down and should at least get a kick attempt. Your opponent gets the same chances exactly. It's not over if you score, they get a chance to tie or win. And, if they tie, you get a chance to score again. It pits the offense against the defense and it affords equal chance to both teams. I don't know how it could be made more fair.
As far as the possible capless season/lockout goes, the owners are all sorts of for it. As it stands, the collective bargaining agreement puts a certain percentage of the money made by the team in the players' hands. The owners are only allowed to take a certain percentage for themselves. That's all sorts of good for the players and the fans, too. Cuz it means the players get more cash and the teams are forced to spend at least a certain amount on, well, the team. Yay parity. This agreement, though, is not something the owners are cool with. They want more money and more freedom to use the money their teams generate. In order to accomplish this, they let the agreement expire and will not sign anything resembling it again. And that's something the Players' Union will not, obviously, stand for. In addition, the owners are not happy with the way contracts have escalated nor with the guaranteed cash first round picks get. In an attempt to reset the table, they're going to try to go capless for a season in order to get things more in line with what they'd like to see. After a season or so, when things get more like what the owners want them to be, a new contract may well be negotiated. In the meantime, a capless season or more and a possible lockout should be expected. It's the owners that want it. And, well, they own the teams.
First, you are changing the game. The game played in the OT is different than the regular game played before the OT. Football isn't designed to be a game of 25 yards. Football isn't a game based on possessions, it's based on time. Another baseball analogy, it makes homerun hitters less important than singles hitters.
Second, it is unfair to the team which gets the ball first. If you are the second team, you know what you need to win. Team 1 kicks a field goal. Team 2 knows that it needs at least a field goal. So they'll play normal football (kick a field goal on 4th down). But if Team 1 scores a TD, then Team 2 knows that it must score a TD and will go for it on all 4th downs. But Team 1 does not have that knowledge of Team 2. They'll typically have to play normal football (kick a field goal on 4th down) or Team 2 can just kick a field goal and win.
Third, it doesn't shorten the game resolution. If overtime can go several pairs of possessions, its not causing a fast resolution to the game. With all that time spent, why not just play another period or something?
While I'm not saying that the NFL overtime is good, I do think its better than college overtime. To me, they're changing the game and doing something completely different to try to determine a winner. Its like you're playing football for 60 minutes then you're playing 25 yard "football" possession by possession.
I honestly would prefer:
-better OT system (like playing a freaking period)
-tied games (why are ties so wrong)
-NFL overtime (which isn't fair but at least its football)
-NCAA overtime (see above reasons)
Ties are a-ok in football. They just can't happen until OT is resolved.
College OT can take some time. A recent rule change (last year? two years ago?) has tried to correct some of that. After the second OT period, once a TD is scored, you must go for a 2-pt conversion. So that helps.
I also have no trouble with the way college OT changes the game. It makes it interesting, IMO, and it's pretty fair all things considered. The fact that the second team knows what it needs to score doesn't really bother me. Here's why: That's how football works for the entire game. After one team scores, you know what you need to do to tie or win. At the end of regulation, if you're driving and down 4, you know you need a TD. So you'll go for it on 4th down - every 4th down. If you're down 2, you'll go for it on 4th until you're in FG range. If you're down 8, you'll go for 2 after a TD to tie. If you're down 7, you may well go for 2 to put it away. So that aspect of OT isn't any different than the end of a close game, IMO.
For "knowing" in OT vs the regular game:
In the regular game, the resource is time. Even if there's less than 3 minutes, a team can kick a field goal (down by more than 3) if the down and distance is too great and they have confidence in their defense. But if we're in OT where possessions are the resource, you'd have to go for it on 4 and 20 since the game just ends. Also, in the normal game situation, there's random unlikely plays which could occur such as an on-side kick or turnovers.
And at the end of a game, the team with the ball has an advantage since they can milk the clock and score. But in OT, all the advantage is on the second team since they know they'll have enough time to try to score even if their defense couldn't get off the field.
And placing the ball already in field goal range and 25 yards away from the end zone makes it more of a different game.
I think NCAA OT changes the game into a modified game which is more fair than NFL OT, but I prefer the game being determined by playing the actual game (if those are my only two choices). I don't like shoot outs in hockey or penalty kicks in soccer. If you are playing one game for 60 minutes why would you change the game to determine the winner?
I don't think I necessarily like THE option play (like the classic college option), but I like option plays like the "spread" option that the Falcons used to run with Michael Vick or the Dolphin's Wildcat or even the old Sprint Right Option of Steve Young.
Just plays where you have several passing/running options built in and makes defenses make quick decisions.
Utes, you know what you must do...
Judging from the score I can guess why. (I was away from home and busy so not football yesterday) It probably involves a Quarterback, and a Primadonna Reciever and an offense not built for Long Arming AT ALL.
Yep.... just read the game summary... I was right. I even had it called right as to how Carolina got those measely six points. John Kasey the kicker.
Imagine that.
And of course, the Chargers rolled over the Chiefs.
Tonight should be a good game, even though I hate both teams. Maybe they'll tie since they can't both lose =P
I'm still going to say the SB will be Colts and Saints.
Anyway, I loved watching the Patriots get embarassed.
But on a bad note, apparently Matt Ryan is officially out for the Eagles game. Maybe Redman will play okay and the Eagles' injuries (Deshuan and Westbrook) will be more significant? But that really puts a damper on what would've been a really nice game. Also, I think if Altanta loses, they're done. Stupid turf toe!
What's crazy is that the Saints pretty much need to stay undefeated in order to maintain the top seed. The Vikes only have one loss and don't look like they'll get all that many more - if any at all. What a race.
Poor Falcons are done now - I think. The Eagles are not a consistant team, but they still have their starting QB healthy. Green Birds will beat the Red Birds. Lame.
The difference between the Saints of a little bit ago and the Saints of today is the defense. They always had explosive potential on O but never had a stout D. Now they do. Hell, they started two guys in the secondary that had just arrived a couple days ago. And they played well. Against Tom Friggin' Brady. And Randy Moss. And Wes Welker. That should be ... disconcerting to any team that still has to play the Saints.
Heh, change that to the Browns winning one and you may have it right. :P
The difference between the Saints of a little bit ago and the Saints of today is the defense. They always had explosive potential on O but never had a stout D. Now they do. Hell, they started two guys in the secondary that had just arrived a couple days ago. And they played well. Against Tom Friggin' Brady. And Randy Moss. And Wes Welker. That should be ... disconcerting to any team that still has to play the Saints.
Hm. Interesting. When I was growing up, making those comments was 20 years ago. Back then, they had an average D, but an absolutely worthless O.
There was also a running joke about the Saint post-halftime game. If the game was close at halftime, there was no telling what would happen. But if the Saints dominated the first half, then they were guaranteed to lose. No idea why. Maybe they blew their load early.
If it were to break, then anything becomes possible. Including purple polkadotted flying elephants.
The one Universal Constant that we have is the Browns losing Record season to season.
If it were to break, then anything becomes possible. Including purple polkadotted flying elephants.
I saw a front porch swing, heard a diamond ring,
I saw a polka-dot railroad tie.
But I think I will have seen everything
when I see an elephant fly.
This could be the best thing that's happened to us since we got the walking Interception.
All signs point to Moore starting against Tampa... grant it Moore is a... well I don't know if he's a bad QB or not.. you see, we haven't started him in two years, and IIRC that was only once.
And he never gets to make it to the field otherwise. He's a total unknown variable. But he's bound to be better than a Walking Interception who has 'affectionate' nicknames given to him by his fans like Shakey Jakey (the nickname I gave him is actually catching on. I saw it pop up on two nfl sites after my song, and repeated use of the term), Jake Delhomo, Jake Gohome.
This could be the best thing that's happened to us since we got the walking Interception.
Didn't he lead them to a Superbowl (and had a lead with under 5 minutes in the 4th quarter)?
This could be the best thing that's happened to us since we got the walking Interception.
Didn't he lead them to a Superbowl (and had a lead with under 5 minutes in the 4th quarter)?
More along the lines of, he just happened to be on the team that went to the Superbowl.
Jake's never been known for being -good- during the height of his career (that year infact) he didn't suck. He was always bad for Ints, and sacks. But over the last three years or so he's really tanked. That year though that Carolina went to the SB, he was probably at his best.
Jake's never been good. I don't think John Fox has ever had a good QB under his command, if he had then he wouldn't be standing behind Jake as much as he does.
Alright guys
It's weekend picks time.
Jets and Bills. I predict that the Bills will win this. I saw the highlight reel of their game last week. And frankly, if it weren't for Jake they wouldn't have won.
Rams vs Bears: Bears. It's the Rams for crying out loud. Then again Da Bears have been schizo this year. I bet it will be closer than it should be.
Pats vs Dolphins. I want to pull for the Fish here, I really do but let's face it. These are the Pats we're talking about, and the Fish aren't a great team this year. They are much better than last year and the Pats have proven incapable frankly of beating great teams.. too bad for the fishies they aren't great.
Lions vs Bengals. Bengals. hands down. The Lions though have impressed me with their defense. They just have zero offense. The Lions D gives up -tons- of yards yes but I don't measure games by yards folks. I measure them by points. The Lions D will try and try again, but will ultimately spend far too much time on the field and they will be worn out.
Raiders vs Steelers. You know, I'm only pulling for Steelers on this one, because it's the damn Raiders.
Saints vs Redskins. Please. We know the score here. Blowout win for Saints.
Panthers vs Bucaneers. It's a Fail Off yet again. Jakey has a broken finger, and god help us if John Fox starts Jake Gohomme despite the injury. Moore is a total unknown, if he starts the game might be interesting. I'm going to say Carolina, but it's going to be a close game.
Texans vs Jaguars: Texans. The Jags are just meh.
Broncos vs Chiefs : Please. Broncos will get an easy win.
Titans vs Colts: Good game, you know what? I'm feelin the Titans on this one for some reason. I'm probably nuts. But I'm expecting the Titans to make one of the two undefeated teams this year get their first loss.
Falcons vs Eagles: Hard match up. I'm going to say the Eagles though.
Chargers vs Bye week... I mean the Browns... nuff said
49ers vs Seahawks: another fail off. I'm going to say 49ers
Cowboys vs Giants: Cowgirls all the way.
Vikings vs Cardinals. Good game. read great game, I'm going to go with the Vikings on this one though. Farve and crew are hungry. Time to eat some birdies.
Ravens vs Packers: I'm pulling for the Ravens, but the Packers will probably win this one.
To me, he seemed very inconsistent but he could put together good drives which won games (at least that year). So I believe he was very important for their run to the Superbowl.
And while I definately agree that Carolina should have drafted or acquired other quarterbacks, I do believe that fans turn on their players too often. Fans expect players to have loyalty to the team, but they think they should be free of loyalty to the player.
Delhomme isn't the worst example since he was in his own tier of awful. But stuff like Jets fans cheering Chad Pennington's injury (when he was playing for the Jets!) is just awful.
2 more weeks until Fantasy playoffs.
I'm in with 2 teams, but need 2 more wins with some other teams losing to get in with my third team.
Fantasy football wrecks my health...
I used to play multiple leagues, but focusing on one team is just so much more fun. You can get much more obsessive.
Last week, my team had a 40+ point lead, but I went against Drew Brees. We had to go to tie-breakers and I won since my opponent chose the only player on his bench that scored under 10 points as his tie-breaker.
Our league plays 16 games and uses a playoff league as the playoff system and I'm on the fringe of a wild card spot right now.
While Jake Delhomme's never been a top tier (or even near it) quarterback, he was very important the year they went to the Superbowl. I only really saw them in the playoffs that year, but I want to say I saw him lead the Panthers on multiple game winning drives at the end of the games.
To me, he seemed very inconsistent but he could put together good drives which won games (at least that year). So I believe he was very important for their run to the Superbowl.
And while I definately agree that Carolina should have drafted or acquired other quarterbacks, I do believe that fans turn on their players too often. Fans expect players to have loyalty to the team, but they think they should be free of loyalty to the player.
Delhomme isn't the worst example since he was in his own tier of awful. But stuff like Jets fans cheering Chad Pennington's injury (when he was playing for the Jets!) is just awful.
We are actually pretty loyal to our players and our team believe it or not. If it helps, most panther fans have never stood behind Delhomme in the first place. The man even in his hey day was just too inconsistent to call good. On the flip side, we've all but enshrined Kasey as a living saint.
Superbowl year, we had the Cardiac Cats. Gawd talk about nail biters. Every Single game I swear it was nerve wracking tense.
By the way guys, feel free to comment on the weekend picks and list your own picks.
But to this week's picks:
Jets and Bills. I predict that the Bills will win this. I saw the highlight reel of their game last week. And frankly, if it weren't for Jake they wouldn't have won.
Kind of a tough game to pick. The Jets technically are "better" although they haven't been playing like it. Buffalo has been looking pretty decent as of late. But they're at a disadvantage since its in Toronto and in a dome. I'll go with the "road" team, but with little confidence.
Rams vs Bears: Bears. It's the Rams for crying out loud. Then again Da Bears have been schizo this year. I bet it will be closer than it should be.
They both are bad, but I would think the Bears are better. The Bears are bad while the Rams are horrible. So the Bears.
Pats vs Dolphins. I want to pull for the Fish here, I really do but let's face it. These are the Pats we're talking about, and the Fish aren't a great team this year. They are much better than last year and the Pats have proven incapable frankly of beating great teams.. too bad for the fishies they aren't great.
They'd have a chance if Ronnie Brown was playing, but after a humiliating defeat by New Orleans, the Patriots will probably slaughter the Dolphins. I also expect the score to be run up.
Lions vs Bengals. Bengals. hands down. The Lions though have impressed me with their defense. They just have zero offense. The Lions D gives up -tons- of yards yes but I don't measure games by yards folks. I measure them by points. The Lions D will try and try again, but will ultimately spend far too much time on the field and they will be worn out.
Bengals will destroy the Lions in all ways.
Raiders vs Steelers. You know, I'm only pulling for Steelers on this one, because it's the damn Raiders.
It'll probably be closer than it should be, but the Steelers should win. They'll win comfortably if Ben plays.
Saints vs Redskins. Please. We know the score here. Blowout win for Saints.
Like usual, the Saints will be trailing early and wind up blowing out their opponent.
Panthers vs Bucaneers. It's a Fail Off yet again. Jakey has a broken finger, and god help us if John Fox starts Jake Gohomme despite the injury. Moore is a total unknown, if he starts the game might be interesting. I'm going to say Carolina, but it's going to be a close game.
Josh Freeman actually looked pretty good in the games that he started. Last week, he almost defeated the Falcons with their backup quarterback. I'll say he gets it done this week.
Texans vs Jaguars: Texans. The Jags are just meh.
The Texans should win, but if they play like normal Texans, they'll lose. I'll hope that they make progress this year and win.
Broncos vs Chiefs : Please. Broncos will get an easy win.
Agreed.
Titans vs Colts: Good game, you know what? I'm feelin the Titans on this one for some reason. I'm probably nuts. But I'm expecting the Titans to make one of the two undefeated teams this year get their first loss.
It'll be close and the Colts will probably be down in the 4th quarter, but Peyton Manning is going to out gun Vince Young.
Falcons vs Eagles: Hard match up. I'm going to say the Eagles though.
The Dirty Birds are without Matt Ryan and possibly Michael Turner. The Eagles are possibly without Westbrook and Deshaun Jackson. Atlanta's losses hurt more. The Eagles should win, but I'll be rooting for the Falcons.
Chargers vs Bye week... I mean the Browns... nuff said
The Chargers will slaughter the Browns and give me lots of fantasy points =)
49ers vs Seahawks: another fail off. I'm going to say 49ers
Not that bad of a game. Both teams are decent with the better team on the road. I'll go with the up and coming 49ers.
Cowboys vs Giants: Cowgirls all the way.
The Cowboys have recently been horrible in December. The Giants are just horrible right now. It'll be interesting to see what happens, especially with the Cowboys on the road. But the Cowboys should win.
Vikings vs Cardinals. Good game. read great game, I'm going to go with the Vikings on this one though. Farve and crew are hungry. Time to eat some birdies.
I think the Vikings are going to be in a tough fight. The Cardinals are legitimately a good team, although I don't know the status of Kurt Warner. If Warner is playing, I'll go with the upset.
Ravens vs Packers: I'm pulling for the Ravens, but the Packers will probably win this one.
If Suggs plays, I'm guessing that A-Rod gets a few more sacks to add to his total. But the Raven's defense has gotten really bad really fast. I don't know if its Rex Ryan, Bart Scott, or just crappy corners, but they're an offensive team now. The Packers have a better defense so I'll go with them getting some turnovers and winning.
It was a great game though and is still one of the best football games I've ever watched, especially considering the Pats were in it.
You know it's amazing how well those losers play when the team has 11 draft picks for next season. Suddenly everyone on the team, learned how to play and catch Quinn's always nominal throws. Though last night Quinn threw -great-.
That being said, I can safely say I know a couple of players that need to be gotten gone on the team because even with them trying hard they still couldn't catch Quinn's throws. None of which were Quinn's fault.
Harrison needs to go and go quickly.
There was another loser last night too.
Cleveland has the foundation of not just a good team. But frankly a great team in Quinn, and Cribbs. Good job Quinn, I hope you play every game like it's your last like you did last night.
Carolina v Tampa: the other game I watched. Shakey Jakey did NOT take the field and we won. There were no interceptions, and the throws were level and tight. Oh and the team played like they felt like they had a chance of winning because they didn't have a Walking Interception of a Quarterback in offense. Imagine that.
Carolina I want to see Moore often. (haha!)
The Cowgirls have proved to be just that. Girls.
The Raiders beat the Steelers. You know what? They are ****ed against the Browns next week. Utterly ****ed.
The Browns need to draft a RB. I don't know who - maybe Blount? Who else is headin' for the draft this year? The kid from Cal? I honestly don't know. Not that it matters. Mangini will probably trade all his good picks for late round picks anyway. And, even if he doesn't, it's still the Browns. Whoever they get will suck no matter what.
The Buckeyes get the Ducks in the Rose Bowl. I don't know what to think. Oregon annihilated USC - who beat OSU at the 'Shoe - but lost to Boise and Stanford. The Ducks, though, have allowed two teams to put up over 40 points and three to top 30. Ohio State did not allow any team to score more than 27 points (and that was an adjustment game - stupid triple option) and has pitched three shutouts. The Ducks score, but the Bucks are stingy as hell. Oregon's losses are 'better' losses - if there is such a thing and they have two phenomenal backs. The OSU defense is awesome, though. So I have no idea what's gonna happen. Hopefully it won't be ugly for the Scarlet and Gray.
Question time: If you're New Orleans and you're one game away (or two) from a perfect regular season, do you play for it? Indianapolis has already said that they don't care about the perfect season and will rest starters. Assuming that you'll face the best team in the AFC if you make it, do you rest your guys, too?
Haha, great Saints game this weekend. That was intense.
Quick question for you: WHO DAT?
Haha, great Saints game this weekend. That was intense.
Yeah ... I'm not surprised the Saints won, but I'm really surprised it was the Redskins who came that close to spoiling the perfect season. The Redskins usually can't find the end zone with a flashlight and a roadmap.
I think going undefeated is vastly overrated. I'd have no problem if either teams rested their starters. They should do whatever they think gives them the best shot to win the Superbowl.
Officially, Steelers fans, it's time to 
.I told you guys about the Steelers... remember?
Stoopid Steelers
It's like watching a train wreck at this point.
Anyone care to guess the point spread for their next game?
I'm gonna say Cleveland 30 Steelers 21.
The Raiders are leagues better than the Browns (especially without JaMarcus). The Raiders beat some good teams; they actually have a good defense and a solid running game.
Dude, the Steelers aren't so bad that they'll lose to the Browns.
The Raiders are leagues better than the Browns (especially without JaMarcus). The Raiders beat some good teams; they actually have a good defense and a solid running game.
If you asked me if I thought the Raiders were ANYWHERE in the league of the Steelers I would have told you no while laughing my ass off.
And the Browns played well against the Chargers (mind you the Chargers are in a weak division). The Chargers imo are a much better team than the Raiders, all the way around.
Cleveland players have every incentive to play their hearts out. (jobs on the line) while the Steelers? I don't think they frankly care anymore.
The Raiders.
Seriously.
Shaz: I could understand why they would be. I would have been stunned into silence.
Yeah, though. Cincy is no joke. Too bad for them the Colts are even better. Way better, actually. EDIT: Did you watch the video from that injury Idolis talked about? It's pretty messed up. Dude's leg got broke. Bad. Femur right above the knee. Still not the sickest break I've seen. That honor goes to a UFC fight where this dude kicked another dude in the leg only his leg snapped in half below the knee. Both bones. Yeah.
I haven't looked at the schedule, but the Packers seem to be in a good position to make the playoffs. And once they get there, they have about as good of a chance at winning as anyone (except the Saints). Look at the other "top" teams. The Eagles, Cowboys, and Giants aren't really that great. I could see the Packers beat any of them, although they could also easily lose to any of them. It just seems like there's no consistency this year.
I'll still hope for a miracle consisting of Matt Ryan and Michael Turner returning, them beating the Saints,the Cowboys and Packers losing, and Altanta somehow getting in the playoffs. That's definately more of a prayer than anything realistic. But that's what sports fans are supposed to do, right?
The thing with the Packers is that they're not very good. I love the Pack, but they don't have it this year. I think they could handle the Giants, but I also think the Eagles would beat them whether the game was played in Philly or GB. They've no chance against New Orleans or the Vikings. They did pwn the Cowboys, but I'm not convinced that they could do it again. It just feels like they're missing something.
It certainly is. And, if it's possible - not matter how remotely - it's possible.
The thing with the Packers is that they're not very good. I love the Pack, but they don't have it this year. I think they could handle the Giants, but I also think the Eagles would beat them whether the game was played in Philly or GB. They've no chance against New Orleans or the Vikings. They did pwn the Cowboys, but I'm not convinced that they could do it again. It just feels like they're missing something.
Just like it's remotely possible that my Cats can make a Wild Card pick. We have to win every game, and a couple of teams have to lose a couple more. It's very incredibly unlikely but it's still possible.
Our next games though are the roughest teams in the league. The only two I think we'll do it against are the Giants and the Pats. I'm still pulling for them though as long as they don't play Delhomme.
Remember that Washington QB that got his leg broke during a game back in the early 80's?
What the hell was his name?...
Thiesman?
I can't believe I can't remember! I guess that's what Mary does for ya!
And I saw the UFC fight... brutal...
Yeah. Theisman's break was brutal. BRUTAL. Didn't LT put the hit on him? Still, that Corey Hill leg explosion in that UFC bout was amazing. I don't get grossed out, but watching his leg flop around like that and him fall cuz he tried to stand on it was enough to bug me. A little.
Just like it's remotely possible that my Cats can make a Wild Card pick. We have to win every game, and a couple of teams have to lose a couple more. It's very incredibly unlikely but it's still possible.
Our next games though are the roughest teams in the league. The only two I think we'll do it against are the Giants and the Pats. I'm still pulling for them though as long as they don't play Delhomme.
As amazing as it sounds, I actually give them a chance against the Giants and the Pats. I don't think they'll win those games, but if they did, I wouldn't be surprised - if that makes any sense.
Not.. "well you don't suck.. you'll do" at his highest point.
It's Cardiac Cats time of year, so we'll see what happens this week. This season has Cat's make a surprise run for the Playoffs again all over it.
A bill in the House to force a playoff system in the NCAA. I can't believe Congressmen and apparently Senators have nothing better to do.
Its so idiotic that I can't even properly express how dumb I think it is.
www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALe...
A bill in the House to force a playoff system in the NCAA. I can't believe Congressmen and apparently Senators have nothing better to do.
Its so idiotic that I can't even properly express how dumb I think it is.
Yeah, as much as I'd like to see a playoff (even though my Buckeyes would probably suffer for it), I've got to think there's more pressing issues out there. NCAA football is big business, though. Huge, actually. And there's certainly some impropriety goin' on - it is a good ol' boy's club, after all. Still, more important stuff out there and this could and should wait.
Next time listen to the Capn... though to be fair HOW many of my picks last week were wrong?
Speaking of picks it's time for weekend picks!
Saints vs Falcons: Falcons will get dominated. They have already done what Atlanta does each and every single year since I've started really paying attention to more than just my home team. They have already had their season self destruction, and will continue to slide downwards. Infact if they played the Steelers, they'd probably lose.
Packers vs Da Bears: Packers, but only because they have momentum. I'm still rooting for Da Bears though.
Dolphins vs Jaguars: Dolphins. Imo tougher schedule than what the Jags have had. And the Jags will be suffering from Victory Hangover.
Jets vs Bucanneers: Really... this is a Bye Week in disguise. Jets.
Vikings vs Bengals. I have been waiting for this game for quite some time now. I'm expecting a really close game, but I have more faith in the Farve than I do in the Bengals. But not much more. Vikings.
Broncos vs Colts. The battle of horses... I want to watch this one. It's a shame I probably won't get it. I'm going to say the Colts. Last week I learned to not bet on the Colts getting upset.
Seahawks vs Texans: Do I really have to do this? Two teams I know next to nothing about. Fine. *checks stats* crap. *flips coin* Seahawks. Whatever
Carolina Panthers vs Pats: My team, vs the Pats. Of course you all know who I'm going to pull for. But who do I think will win? You know what? I'm going to go with the Panthers on this one. We still have Gamble and Beason is why. And hey if we aren't starting Shakey Jakey our Offense might actually gel abit more with Moore this week so they might actually do stuff too. Defense is going to win this one. And I think we've got a better Defense than people realize.
Bills vs Chiefs: Fail Off. Bills.
Lions vs Ravens: I'm going to pull with the Lions. The Ravens have self destructed. They are done. Finished. Over like the Steelers. The Lions are still finding their footing Offensively speaking. Each week they look a little better offensively. The Ravens just look worse every time they play. I -should- be pulling for the Ravens but like I said. They are Over like the Steelers.
Redskins vs Raiders: Oh dear god. It is a Fail Off again. That is TWO horrible games this week. *flips a coin coin lands on edge* You know what, it's just going to be a matter of who reeks of failure less this week. to save my Game Average I'm not going to pick..... What do you mean I have to? Fine. Raiders. At least they've actually beaten good teams this year.
The Damn Rams vs Titans: Really? Titans.
Chargers vs Cowgirls: The Cowgirls are just that this year. They finally made up their mind I think. Maybe next year guys. Chargers but it should be close.
Eagles vs Giants. Look for the Eagles to dominate this game.
Cardinals vs 49ers. It's late in the year. That means the Birdies are coming back. Birds in a big way in this game.
OH - IO!
Damn, them Browns looked terrible. But less terrible than those towel wavin' doofuses from down the road! The Browns, for whatever reason, wanted it more. A lot more. 8 sacks? 8!? From the 32nd ranked D in the league? How's that for motivated? And that was without the best player on the D, too. Rogers is out and it didn't matter. Not even a little. Cribbs was in, though. And damn did he did what he does - play excellently. He ran well, returned superbly and even had a catch. He notched the Browns longest carry of the season. And Jennings - a former CFLer - was a practice squad guy that played better than any Browns RB this year - and scored the only rushing TD of the season. How, how did the defending champs let this happen? The Browns are awful. Don't let this game fool ya. But damn was it fun to watch those losers play like winners for a change. They could have let it all fall apart at the end, too. But when the needed stops, they made them happen. There was a fire there last night for some reason. It almost gives ya hope for next year. Until, of course, you realize that the Steelers have some serious issues. And that the Browns are seriously terrible. Oh well. For one night it was actually worth it to watch the Browns play. For one night, some real accomplishments were made. They finally beat Big Ben, they ended a near decade long losing streak. And they likely crushed the Steeler's postseason dreams. All at the mistake by the lake. For one frozen night, the Cleveland fans had a professional football team. As luck would have it for Mangini, that's something that won't be forgotten any time soon.
I think if Mangini keeps that mind set going they might have something for next year. Maybe.
That being said, your town needs a new coach like the Steelers do. And new players.
It took this long for Mangini to get his head out of his *** and realize maybe he isn't the smartest tool in the shed. Cleveland needs to keep the loser though as much as I dislike the Bellicheck wannabe. At least for a couple more years, to show the actual -good- coaches out there Cleveland is willing to stick it out at least a little while so that they can get some actual coaching talent in the franchise.
Yeah, when your reputation is "Off with his head!" No one good is going to want to really work for you.
I think it's more of the obvious incompetence that Lerner's displayed than any quick firings. But those don't help. Hell, Mangini is basically trying a complete tear down/rebuild. He's got like 11 picks in the draft. It'll take at least two more years to see anything of the team he's tryign to build. Now I don't like the guy, but if you bring someone in to do a complete rebuild, you need to give them some time. The main thing is Mangini likes his friends too much. He brought in that idiot from the Raiders to coach the D. Last year, the Browns had terrible D but there were a few teams that were worse. One of them was ... duh ... the Raiders. And guess where the Browns D ranks this year? Dead ****ing last. Gee, I didn't see that coming. Stupid Mangini hiring based on who they are instead of what they've done. I don't see that ever changing.
Give up all the yards you want. Just don't give up points. Unless it's deliberate to get the Offense back out there.
Everything else is gravy.
That Cleveland quite often can't even achieve that, is kind of frightening really.
Saints v Falcons: The Falcons didn't really impress me here, the Saints just let them get some points imo. I've seen both teams at their A game this year and New Orleans didn't bring it this weekend. And they still won.
1/1
Packers vs Da Bears: Packers won.
2/2
Miami vs Jags: Fishies for the Win!
3/3
Jets vs Bucs: Bye week in disguise indeed. Jets
4/4
Vikings vs Bengals: Farve is the man. Need I say more?
5/5
Broncos v Colts. Did anyone actually expect the broncos to win this? If so, you must be heartbroken.
6/6
Seahawks v Texans: Okay I got it wrong.. but I did flip a coin.
6/7
Panthers vs Patriots: Shame. Moore is showing improvement though. He has already proven as, if not slightly more effective than Delhomme. I wish Moore had, had more time with the Cats this year. Jakey Should have been benched at the start of the season.
6/8
Bills vs Chiefs: Bills won. Damn Kansas you really do suck!
7/9
Lions vs Ravens: The Ravens must have read my comments. Because they played like a football team last night.
7/10
Raiders vs Redskins: Let's just pretend this never happened? The game was ugly I was wrong.
7/11
The Damned Rams vs Titans. Titans
8/12
Chargers vs Cowgirls: I enjoyed watching the cowgirls get dominated. If only because we got alot of cheerleader in santa outfit girls shots.
9/13
Cardinals vs 49ers: We'll see after tonight.
What? The Browns are awesome, man! They beat one whole other team this year! They're the team to beat in the AFC!
Ok, that was a bad one for the Steelers. If it makes ya feel any better, IIRC, the Steelers have never (that's 'never') won in Cleveland when the temp was under 25. So, in a way, they were destined to lose that one. Play that game again in, say, 28 degrees and it's a whole different animal.
Draft Picks.
They know they need to be the worst in the NFL. *Tampa steals top honors there unfortunately*
So they are probably throwing games right now.
I suspect Carolina is doing much the same right now based off of this weekend. I think the Pats were trying the same thing early on. But realized they actually have a winning season. Not that they played like it....
Cribbs, and Quinn.
In the case of Cleveland for Mangini he's probably not going to figure out who he should get. But frankly who needs to be allowed to keep their job is the more appropriate question, and then pick his new guys according to that.
Carolina.... we know what we need to do. The writing is on the wall when the Backup Qb who has only had five starts ever in the NFL and has only been in the NFL three years, is as good if not better than their seasoned Gunslinger wanna be Qb.
The other player that's earned his keep? Shaun Rogers. He's a beast. Run stopper, kick blocker and always demands a double team. He's the man on D. Too bad he's hurt.
Quinn is well above and beyond the highschool level offense he's stuck playing with this year. (Cribbs aside) he's good enough I'm willing to call him a Decent QB. He's no Farve or Rivers but he's good enough to get the job done. Considering the craptastic team he's stuck with that I can say that much for him, is amazing in of itself. He's going to cream his pants in sweet rapturous joy if Mangini gets him some good team mates.
Next year could be really good for Quinn.
I like what I've seen out of Moore as well in Cat country. The thing that's the biggest suck about him is his level of experience which is just about nil. Had John Fox not been a moron for the last three years, we'd get to see what Moore is really capable of right now. as it is? We need him to start at least two more years, and away from Jakey. I'm almost afraid of what kind of habits he's picked up from Good Old Shake.
(Those two traits are things Jake also Lacks... and he also lacks accuracy... and the will to throw on time... and the clarity of mind to throw to the right team...)
Jake is such a loser. I think that's what pisses me off so much. He's a loser that got all the Trust in the world by the head coach, for no reason. He abused that trust by playing like a drunk high schooler. (like a Cleveland Brown!) For years. He gave us one "good" year, and we went to the SB. And then went right back to being a lazy do nothing.
I am a better QB than Jake. And I only throw a football around maybe five times a year.
Jake, belongs wherever most of the current Browns players end up next year. Because at least then the team will suck and fail on all levels equally.
So while injuries are part of the game, its clear that the Falcons are really hurt by them this year. Hopefully Matt Ryan will come back and they'll at least have a winning record to break that god awful stat of no back to back winning seasons.
Although I'll admit that you were right about the Steelers.
The Raiders and the Panthers: teams that are actually pretty decent once they get a below average NFL quarterback (instead of god awful).
C'mon Cpt_Micha, you have to give the Falcons a little slack. They lost their QB, star RB, and starting RG. Their LT just came back from injury as well as their #2 WR. (They were down 5 offensive starters last week against the Eagles.)
So while injuries are part of the game, its clear that the Falcons are really hurt by them this year. Hopefully Matt Ryan will come back and they'll at least have a winning record to break that god awful stat of no back to back winning seasons.
Although I'll admit that you were right about the Steelers.
The Raiders and the Panthers: teams that are actually pretty decent once they get a below average NFL quarterback (instead of god awful).
True, but I swear this happens to them every year. I think it's more of a coaching problem. You can't count on your starting roster being there all year like they do. They need more depth in the roster down in Atlanta.
yeah, that stat needs to go away before they get in danger of setting a record for that... *Wait.. nevermind, I forgot Tampa and Detroit were in the NFL... ZING!*
yeah, I'll agree to that. The Raiders have improved tremendously after getting rid of their god awful Jake Delhommian grade QB.
Seriously, what the hell?
True, but I swear this happens to them every year. I think it's more of a coaching problem. You can't count on your starting roster being there all year like they do. They need more depth in the roster down in Atlanta.
They're just unlucky.
They went to the Superbowl then the next year, their star RB (Jamal Andersen) blows out his ACL and their QB got destroyed. They were then bad for a few years until Michael Vick's reign. Vick's first full season (I think) they made the playoffs and beat the Packers in Labeau Field (breaking that streak for the Packers). Then Vick breaks his ankle in preseason the next year so they sucked. The year he comes back and plays, they were the #2 seed and made it to the Championship game where they lost to the Eagles. They then had an off year (since they never can have two winning seasons) then Vick went to jail. So they had to rebuild again. Matty Ice's first year, they were a playoff team lead by Mr Ice and Michael Turner. The next year, both Michael Turner and Matt Ryan get hurt.
So while they keep getting hurt, its hard for a team to continually lose their star players and be good. Peyton's been there the entire Colts run. When Tom Brady was hurt, the Patriots missed the playoffs. I'm sure if Drew Brees got hurt, the Saints would lose early in the playoffs.
And Michael Turner was one of the best back last year. Not only did they lose him, but his backup was out with concussions for several games, so we had a fullback running the ball (who actually is pretty good). Add in there a left tackle (one of the most important and underrated positions on the field), a right guard, and wide recievers, and you have more injuries than a normal season.
But the way I see it, its not that horrible since their defense is too young/bad for them to do much in the playoffs. So hopefully Tony Gonzalez stays around a few more years while Matt Ryan matures and they can build a good team for many years down the line.
The Falcons are ridiculously unlucky for some reason. At least there's a real, visible reason for failure when it happens and it's something that isn't a result of bad coaching or lack of talent. Injuries happen and the team can be just fine the next year. For teams like TB or the Rams or Cleveland or Detroit, bad luck like this would be an improvement. When you're bad from the owner on down, having a bad season because of injuries is actually sort of appealing. Cuz then there's always next year. For teams like the Browns (undergoing a complete rebuild), the only thing next year has to offer is another losing season.
Unless Mangini pulls a John Fox.
They might have a losing season but at least they are going to get more than two wins next year. Infact next year I'm going to be so bold as to say they will win double what they have this year! Four!
On the Panthers: It's wierd how it would be a good thing and a HORRIBLE thing to win more games this year for us. On the good thing side, winning more games (especially since we are up against competent... read great teams from here on in) would show John Fox that Delhomme is anything BUT a key to victory.
On the other hand it would screw us out of draft pick order.
So are you willing to stick it out with Mangini and see if he can build something? Or would you try to clean house and get a football person (in the Parcels Dolphins model) to run the show?
They came off an 18-1 season (or 16-0 regular season) and their schedule was ranked one of the easiest coming into that year. So 10-6 is a huge drop... much like if a 10-6 team went to say 7-9 or something.
So are you willing to stick it out with Mangini and see if he can build something? Or would you try to clean house and get a football person (in the Parcels Dolphins model) to run the show?
I dunno about ZB but I say stick with Mangini, give the man at least four years to hang himself with. If he's going to screw up with no form of redemption present, that gives you plenty of time to see all of the Failure of the Browns is entirely on him and bad player picks and coaching.
That way too it shows the rest of the football world that Cleveland is willing to stick it out, and maybe someone better than Mangini would come in.
And hey, if Mangini some how proves himself worthwhile? so much the better. Because he'll be doing it at Cleveland. In the long run Mangini staying and attempting to rebuild Cleveland is a Win Win for Cleveland. Personally I think Mangini will prove himself. if he can make Drunken Highschoolers play like that, for two games in a row I can't wait to see what he does with actual Football Players. We've seen snippets of brilliance out of Quinn after a Mangini pep talk and he's continuing to improve I don't think Cleveland's problems are all his fault.
Would you want Fox to return? There's speculation that he might be out in favor of the "hot names" returning. I think there's speculation about Cowher since he's from or lives in that area. There's also the sentiment that while he's really good, Fox just isn't working in Carolina.
Draft order is overrated in the NFL. Especially near the top, its a total gamble. You can get someone like Matt Ryan or you can get someone like Reggie Bush. But they're both going to cost you more than you'd like.
Would you want Fox to return? There's speculation that he might be out in favor of the "hot names" returning. I think there's speculation about Cowher since he's from or lives in that area. There's also the sentiment that while he's really good, Fox just isn't working in Carolina.
So you feel it's better to finish on a High Note. Interesting.
Go Moore and the Cats.
Actually yes. At the very least he needs to stay on the team in some capacity. His biggest flaw was trusting a really really really GAWD AWFUL Quarterback. To be fair, there really wasn't much of an alternative this year as far as getting a new QB went, and the market might not be all that promising for QBs at this time. That still doesn't excuse him for not starting Moore much much sooner however.
But that's my only real gripe with John Fox. He knows how to do a good ground game. (read extremely good ground game. We don't need no stinkin Wild Cat to get ground yards so there) And he does seem to have a knack for finding good defensive coaches.
For QBs, I think someone like Jeff Garcia is pretty underrated. He brought three different teams to the playoffs (the 49ers, Eagles, Bucs) and is pretty viable if you have other players around him. His only really bad stop was...the Lions.
For the $ we pay Peppers for example you could easily have 4 or 5 really good players rather than one mediocre primadonna who hates the team anyway.
(Will be so glad when he's gone.. I really will)
Jake, is the other budget killer. Why anyone decided to give him the money they did is beyond me given his Less than Moore's completion rate.
Yes that's right. Moore's SECOND game, on a JOHN FOX team, has already surpassed Delhomme's completion rate. Moore is proving himself to be worthy of being called a Quarterback. I suspect while we will lose probably this weekend, that Moore will complete more than he misses, or just about even with misses. He'll probably throw a TD again. He's getting more confident, and unlike Jake, he's getting better with his increasing confidence.
Atlanta definately needs to get some sort of impact defensive player, preferably in the secondary. (Although they can't stop the run or get pressure on the quarterback so anyone would help).
I'm surprised that you seem to dislike Peppers so much. I thought he was having a decent year (definately not good by his standards). I remember he was making lots of money, but I honestly don't remember if it was insane or not.
Atlanta definately needs to get some sort of impact defensive player, preferably in the secondary. (Although they can't stop the run or get pressure on the quarterback so anyone would help).
He's a load of Meh that eats 10 percent of our Player budget.
I think he's past his prime and has been for a couple seasons now. Him bemoaning how much he doesn't like the team, is probably killing morale since you know he's one of our team Captains.
He's decent.. when he decides that he wants to actually play. But Gamble is much much better. As is Beason. Otherwise he just sits on the bench, or does nothing while on the field. (like last weekend)
Cardinals suck. Go niners.
Anyway, Zombie_Babies, I heard that Mike Holmgren has been in Cleveland the past two days talking with management. I think he is also known for not liking to fire coaches after just one year. So would you want him as a GM or runner of football ops?
Hey, don't talk about MLB in the same light as college football. MLB is awesome.
Anyway, Zombie_Babies, I heard that Mike Holmgren has been in Cleveland the past two days talking with management. I think he is also known for not liking to fire coaches after just one year. So would you want him as a GM or runner of football ops?
MLB needs a cap. But I do agree it isn't as bad as the BCS. Nothing is that bad. 'Cept maybe the (as in any) government.
Uhh ... Holmgren. Good coach, a little ambitious. Tried to do too much and failed. I don't know that I like him as anything but a coach. His track record in affairs outside of that is not a good one. Unfortunately, with what Lerner's done to the club's reputation (and, more importantly, his own as a boss) means that someone like Holmgren is probably the best we can get. As long as he is given one job and is ok staying within those bounds, he'll be ok. I simply cannot see him as a 'football czar' - which is, reportedly, what Lerner is searching for. GM? I suppose.
If he's hired after being the only interview, I may lose it. Cuz that would mean that Lerner has learned nothing from his last debacle.
Maybe he'll croak soon.
I thought he was older than that. Because Lerner treats the franchise the way, that my mom was even used to. She told me the Browns have always, gotten bad players, and not kept the good ones. Trading draft picks away for no good reason etc.
What the hell is wrong with Cleveland... really.
Weekend picks.
Colts vs Jags: Game tonight.
Please do ya'll really really need to tell you who this is going to be? Colts
Game Saturday
Cowgirls vs The Saints: Go Saints. All the way. Look for the cowgirls to get spanked.
Game Sunday
Pats vs The Bills: Easy game. Pats. Even though they are not even trying they are still worlds better than the Bills.
Cardinals vs Lions: I wish it were going to be the Lions. But the Cards will "rally" this week and put up impressive numbers. They just lost last week. So it's time to get a win.
Browns vs Chiefs: This should actually be a pretty entertaining game. *Because both teams are bad* I'm going to go with the Browns this week. The Browns at least have Cribbs and Quinn.
Falcons vs Jets: Jets. The Saints simply played to the level of their opponent last week.
49ers vs Eagles: Eagles will win.
Texans vs Damn Rams: Texans hands down.
Dolphins vs Titans: Should be an entertaining game actually for mostly good reasons. This will be one of the games that if you can, you should watch it this weekend. I'm going to go with the Titans, because they are a little better.
Raiders vs Broncos: You know I keep saying the Raiders are going to lose and I swear almost every time I have done so they've won against good teams. A perverse blessing perhaps? Or a curse to me? I'm going to stick to my guns though. Broncos.
Bengals vs Chargers: Bengals. The Chargers are in what division? Wuss division. the Bengals on the other hand? Yeah. I think it will be a good game, but as awesome as Rivers is, I don't think his team has the talent that the Bengals has.
Packers vs Steelers: Going to root for the Steelers, but I know it's going to be the Packers that win this. Unless the Steelers stop playing like a bunch of drunk fat girls.
Bucaneers vs Seahawks: Bucs actually. Seattle is still bad. No matter how you cut it. And the Bucs actually play against good teams throughout the year.
Vikings vs Panthers: I love my cats. I truly do.... but we don't have The Farve and we don't have The Team to go with him. Instead we have a Back up QB just starting to figure out how a QB functions, and.... defensively we have Julius Crappers. That being said our Pass Defense is amazing. Look for our usual culprits to stop alot of plays and possibly nab some interceptions. Gamble and Beason. Expect another game of Crappers, taking the field and being a wasted spot. So the D will keep the score closer than it should be. If Moore can get into the saddle and feel abit more sure of himself and his team mates it will be a good game. Vikings.
Game Monday
Giants vs Redskins: Giants. No question in my mind.
Bengals' Henry dies day after dispute
Fallin' out of movin' trucks is bad, m-kay?
I think I've been doing not half bad on my weekend picks this year considering how **** up the NFL has been this year.
Long as I stay better than 50 percent right.
Moore got in the saddle last night. And the team responded. Watching last nights game was like a Catharthic Karmic release, of everything bad that had happened to us throughout the year. We were sick of losing and we were taking it out on the Viking's ***. It was almost cruel and unusual what we did to the poor Vikings who even Favre couldn't General his team out of the hole we dug and promptly kicked them into.
Remember when I said if Moore continues to improve, the Cats can be a real threat? Well he has, tremendously. He's gone from no name to home town hero in just what three games? If Moore keeps this up, they won't be talkin about the Favre, Brees, Manning (either of them), or Rivers. Moore is becoming like a Cinderella story for us. If he can just keep his head in the game, and learn his players routes just a little better, we have a Super Bowl level QB on our hands. He does exactly what I want out of a QB, he reads the field incredibly well and he can move and still throw it accurately. His emerging play style is very fitting to how the Cats play football, unlike that loser Jake Delhomme who thinks that he can stand there like a rock, take all the time in the world never throw, and get his ass sacked or picked.
In any case, last night proved to me one thing. John Fox you need to trust your players more often. You let them play, the way they've wanted to play all year and you were rewarded for it. And, you need to ditch Delhomme. Or move -him- to backup. I would prefer the former, and from there, pick up another Reciever so that Smith isn't the only Main Man out there. Give us some passing depth, more weapons.
Everything else? You can keep the same. Other than maybe Peppers. He only plays when he wants to play. Last night yes, he wanted to play and Play he did. But too often he just rides around. He can go either way imo.
Everytime I have watched the Steelers they have won. Maybe I should watch them more often. :-p
I'm pulling for them to destroy the Ravens next week by the way. I hate the Modellites.
Traitors the lot of them!
The Steelers need a new QB, and probably a new head coach. Rothlesberger seemed sluggish and dull witted last night. (Though he has a freakin cannon of an arm!) He needs to learn to just throw the damn thing away, because he sure as hell isn't fast enough to run away from the coming Sack.
I gotta feeling though that the Steelers are going to actually make it to the playoffs. I said early this year that once the weather got colder that they'd step it up. And they did. It wasn't SB pretty, but they got the job done.
Also Shaz: you've obviously been a fan of them for a long time... do they do anything on Defense other than Blitz?
How 'bout dem Browns, eh? Well, how 'bout 'em? Two wins in a row. Two records broken. And a terrible showing on D. And Quinn looked kinda bad, too. But it's not terrible to have a QB play poorly when your primary back approaches 300 yards by himself. Oh, and when one of the best athletes in the NFL runs two kickoffs back. That tends to help, too. I think us Cleveland fans need to make some shirts and signs an' crap. They're gonna say 'Pay Josh Cribbs! Pay him you idiots!'. ;)
Oh and a Defense that will beat you down, and wear you out.
Last night was textbook Carolina. Beat em down and wear em out in the first three quarters, and then Dominate.
Seriously, you guys better keep Cribbs. Cleveland would be stupid on a Delhommian level to not keep him. Pay the man and keep him!
I think he needs to play more WR and they should line him up as a back, too. The Wildcat is fine, but they need to use him more. Take him off of kick coverage and involve him in the O. And we need a real WR or two, too. Our guys are too small and too slow. Can't judge Quinn just yet. Who's he got to throw to?
I agree about Quinn. He seems to be mobile enough and seems able to read the field. But damn his team mates blow.
Who the hell does he throw it to? Other than Cribbs is there anyone worth throwing to?
I like the Wildcat. It's fun and adds that college feel to the game. You know, that feeling like you're not stuck with one or two types of offense across the board. And it can work, too. Mostly I like it cuz it's entertaining sometimes. That and it gets the ball to the guys that do the most with it. That's a good thing. But you're right, it is a stop-gap designed to make up for sub par O lines and running attacks. A li'l trickery is always fun, though.
The Wildcat is good, but you need alot of other plays to make it work.
You're just lucky they played against Greenbay this weekend, and are playing against The Traitors next week.
Seriously someone explain the towel waving?
So now the only team that is undefeated is the Colts, eh? Will they choke in the end like New England or go all the way like Miami... whose to say...
I'm not upset that the Steelers beat the Packers. Green Bay just can't seem to stop playing like backyard hooligans whom play by bastardized rules. Their penalties just keep piling up... they deserved to lose.
The Vikings just played bad. I'm not taking anything away from the Panthers. They played really well and have really turned it up to play the spoilers in latter half of the season.
Still, Brett was pretty PO'ed after the game. Did you know they thought about pulling him out with only a 1 point lead. They were actually thinking of resting him. Can you believe it?
Back to the game itself...
No one blocked and no one tackled for the Vikings. You're not going to win games that way.
I was unbelieving almost. Why would you pull him off? Really are you that stupid?
I say the Vikes couldn't play because the Panthers D just didn't let them.
When Peppers actually decides he wants to play *** gets done. Factor in the fact that we still have Beason and Gamble.
All of the key Panthers played that game, on Defense. And our Benchwarmer stayed off the field in Offense. (jake)
They sure as heck weren't ready for Carolina to come packing a Passing Game though. I was expecting it though. John Fox sees writing on the wall telling him if he continues to coach like a drunken highschool coach, that he's outta here.
My weekend picks didn't do so well. So I'm just playin for pride now.
It's damn near official in C-Town. Holmgren has been offered the President position and seems to be near accepting. Apparently, they're just ironing details. I knew he'd be here after I'd heard he refused the Seattle job, but didn't know what he'd be doing. Now I know and I must say I'm intrigued. Let's see what kind of GM he gets - if any - and if he gives Mangini another year (I think he should give him 1 more - especially with the heart this team has shown of late. Against the Chiefs two men took the team upon their shoulders and got the job done damn near by themselves. You just gotta love that in football.). Oh, one more thing for Mike: PAY CRIBBS!!
I hope we don't get rid of John Fox, his biggest mistake is appearing to become more and more rectified here in cat country. (Using Delhomme) he's becoming more and more enamored with Moore, with each game. And liking Jake less and less.
Buy out Jakey and get some receivers. See where we go from there next year.
Smith is an ass, but I will acknowledge that he can and generally does always put out 100 percent while on the field.
like Running Backs, Linebackers, Tight Ends, corner backs... etc.Do we get proper credit? NO of course not! Because obviously it has to be only because the other team made critical mistakes, not because my team is so good we forced mistakes, and dominated them physically no that can't be it at all.
I HATE that. EVERY freakin time the Panthers get a win it's always about how the other team played terribly.
It's like "Did you even watch the game ****? Seriously? Talk about how good Carolina's playing after the game you dolts. Give the Cats the respect they deserve. "
Our Backup Qb's rating now is 139.8 by the way. I believe the scale tops at 150. Unfortunately we are in Shakey Territory now, that Jake Delhomme might be coming back (It's been five weeks.... meaning that damn thumb of his might be healed). If he does John Fox deserves to get fired. Starting Delhomme period this season is what got him into trouble in the first place (hell starting him last season even or even the season before that). Starting Moore might be the ticket to saving his career if he has a direct choice between Delhomme and Moore. If he chooses Moore then it shows that he can infact learn from his mistakes and deserves another chance. If he starts Gohomme then it shows he's on too much cocaine to be an effective coach.
Let's compare their ratings... Shakey Jakey has like a 53 or some crap. Moore has a 139.8. Can we say No Brainer?
Saints: you know, if ya'll play like that this coming weekend we are going to tear you up and spit you out. Please, play like that again. I want to see the deal sealed for Moore. He deserves the job.
How 'bout them Browns? They did it again. 'Course they did it by beating up on a QB that used to play in Cleveland - and was deemed too bad to keep his job - but so what? A win's a win, right?
Harrison(or is that Harris?), Quinn and Cribbs. Cleveland's holy trinity.
I'm like "You idiots are behind the times... there's no "controversy" in Carolina land. We have a QB... his name is Moore"
Yeah, he should totally be the man. Problem is, sometimes you get morons running your organization and you end up starting Derek Anderson for over half the year even though he's sofa king terrible. Whoops ... I meant you end up starting Delhomme event though he's the oppositions MVP. Heh.
There is a lesson in there some where. Both Mangini and Fox's jobs are up in the air right now. Both started Drunken Fat Girl bad Qbs for most of the season. For not just one, but several seasons.
Keep in mind Seahawks they aren't. But almost no one is quite that bad.
somewhere around fifty percent right maybe sixty... stupid NFL lack of parity this year... stupid. It might be higher but I'm not about to sift through this thread for all my predictions right vs wrong. I just hope I'm more right next year.
I take it the Bears somehow won last night? I gave up before I even started watching it when my mom told me that the bears were winning 13 to nothing or something like that.
I was like "..... the bears.... seriously..... the bears...." and then popped Exo Squad into my 360 and began watching it.
Yep. They won in OT. The Vikings gave the Saints a week off for Christmas. With no record to play for and with the top seed locked, don't expect to see too many starters. ;)
You know, if my Cats play like they have for the past few weeks the Saints are totally *** then. Especially if the Saints play Tampa Bad again.
I could settle for an Even W/L record given that most of the year we had Jake Delhomme as QB. To me a dead even record would be a blessing right now.
(in which case they might play better)
Either way, we'll find out if Saints are infact edible by Cats.
Just don't start Jake... please god don't let him start Jake. I'll cry. I'm serious. I will freakin cry if he starts Jake Delhomme and sing a Dirge who's sorrow will never be replicated on this plane of existence.
Starting Moore to any logical or even unrational mind is a no brainer frankly.
But that was true more than two weeks before Jake got injured. Hell it was true at the mid season marker. I'm sorry but your defense for starting Jake shouldn't be "well it can't get any worse"
No that is your defense for starting a new Qb. Or that "he's bound to be better than Jake or at least equal".
Peterson on the other hand needs to learn to protect the god damn football!!! Exclamation Point!
Any way it was a good game but our defense sucked. Piss poor tackling is going to be the end of us. It seems its been this way since EJ got injured, which sucks major donkey balls.
The Vikings path to the Superbowl is one of pitfalls. Let's hope they don't sink into oblivion in the first round.
It's when they think they can do it, is when they lose games.
It's kinda like the Cavs. When Delonte West was havin' emotional trouble and was a source of concern, his unreliability made the Cavs a worse team. Is he the best guy on the squad? Nope (he is possibly the best or second best defender, though, despite his PG size). But he's the glue. When he's havin' trouble and not there, the Cavs are a different - and lesser - team. Something like this has to be working against the Vikes. Some sort of missing intangible. Trust, brotherhood, family - something. They have all of the physical elements to win. The brains just ain't workin' right.Favre is the man.
It looks like FSU beat WVU in the Gator Bowl.
Another good performance by Moore. If this doesn't cement his role as Starting QB for next year, then people need to get fired. We finished the season 8-8. A miracle given the Train Wreck that the early part of this year was for the team.
Right now we Panther fans are going to feel happy about finishing even steven, however we won't help but wonder what could have been.
Looks like the Vikings don't need to worry about the playoffs now. Favre is back. Holy crap what a game. Not that the Giants are any kind of good, but you get the feeling he wanted to make a point. Boy did he. A 31 point lead - at the half - makes one hell of a statement.
And now for the best news: Ohio State won the Rose Bowl! The nightmare in non-conference big games is over (for now)! Man, that was fun to watch. What's the best way to stop a high powered offense? Well, you keep 'em off the field. OSU set a Rose Bowl record for ToP: 41 minutes. Yes, 41 minutes. Hard to score from the pine, guys. ;) Pryor also had a career game - but not with his feet (though he did net 72 and finished the game with a 12 yard first down). He set his best mark for passing yet. If they play like that next year (and the offense is returning most of its starters) the national championship may not be too much of a crazy thought. We'll see. For now, I'm happy enough with that game on Jan 1. Wonderful.
I think the Browns are going to be alot stronger next year. Anderson really drug that team down. Much like The Shake did at Carolina.
I don't know about the Brownies. There's some talk about that indicates we may be drafting a QB. Even if we don't, Mangini still likes Anderson for some reason. But Mangini may be done, too. We've got some waiting to do before we get any kind of picture. Still, the last 4 games were great. It's nice to have a win streak that's over 1. ;)
He's going to start Quinn, or try to find someone better at least. Maybe he'll be drafting for a back up QB for Quinn *incase something bad happens like a broken finger... though broken finger was the best thing to happen over here in Cat Country...
*. But I seriously doubt that Anderson is coming back.There's still controversy over here in Carolina though. Jake is gauranteed his money whether or not we keep the Loser *Seriously... who thought that was a good idea? Much less who thought keeping The Shake... anyway moving on*. So is he going to stay or is he going to go?
me? Obviously the best answer is Go, so he isn't draining our Cap *assuming that we still have a cap for next year* and it would allow us to get Smith a partner or two. When you have a QB like Matt Moore, you are going to want to throw it alot.
That being said, John Fox's future is in debate right now as well. Personally I think we should give him one more season with a Jake Delhomme clause.
If he starts Jake Delhomme and Jake's QB rating stays below 70, for more than four games. He and Jake both get Canned.
The best way to avoid the Jake clause, of course is to just start Matt Moore, considering Delhomme can't be consistent about being anything other than bad if he had a gun to his head.
And yes the Favre was awesome yesterday. The Giants are terribad *they couldn't even stop us when Smith got hurt.. we ran it every time and still whupped their *** in the end*, but he definitely showed that if the Vikings are allowed to play the way they want to. They'll win. They have been let's face it a Passing Team this year. They better not run. Because frankly they can't. Maybe against a crapsack team, but there are no Crapsacks in the Playoffs this year. It's going to be won on the Long Arm of the Favre, or lost if the coach forces the team to think it can Run.
We just gotta wait an' see what the Brownies do. It's a real possibility that Mangini will be out. I think he deserves one more year, but who knows what Mike 'I wanna coach, too' Holmgren thinks? Oh, one more thing: PAY JOSH CRIBBS!
I thought I heard that Fox was safe in his job. He should be immediately fired if he ever starts Jake again, though. Moore is pretty good.
The Vikings made it clear that they wanted to get over the crap that bogged them down in their string of losses. And they did. Favre is an MVP candidate for sure. Who'd a thought that of all the stars on that team, it would be Favre in the MVP conversation and not Peterson? Not me. But the man's still got it. And he beat New York to a bloody pulp with it yesterday, too.
But anyways, before Sunday, I was convinced that the Superbowl was going to be the Eagles versus the Chargers. Now, I'm not so sure about them birds.
I think I'll start to favor the Cowboys now since they looked great. But the NFC is honestly just a crap shoot. EVERY team fluctuates from great or awful.
At least the AFC looks like the Colts and Chargers are clearly the best teams. So I went with San Diego just because they beat the Colts the last few times in the playoffs and I like them more.
Also (not that I think DA should start), didn't Derek Andersen actually start the last two games? So its not like Quinn was the formula of their sucess. It actually seems like the secret was Jerome Harrison and not allowing the QB to do too much.
I also heard that the Browns gave Mangini a Gatorade shower yesterday. So does the team actually like him now? Maybe it just took some time. Although, I think he'll probably be fired since Holmgren will probably just clean house and start from scratch. I think that's unfornate since Mangini looked like he did a decent job and you should always give a coach more than one year to show progress.
I can't believe the birds fell apart like that. Maybe it was just a li'l extra blood pumpin' on the Boys' part since that beatdown the Eagles handed 'em in the same game last year. I do agree the NFC is kind of a pick-'em right now, though.
Anderson started cuz Quinn got hurt. Again. When Quinn played, it was more on the running game than him (except that Lions game) but he still played better than DA has even in the limited role. DA had like a 2 for a QB rating yesterday. I don't think Quinn looked that bad the entire season.
The players must have bought in. They played their **** off the last few weeks. They also may be playing for their jobs and probably know it. In Harrison's case, it was an audition since Lewis is done. The fact is, no matter why, the Browns showed improvement over even last year. You don't ask a guy to come in, do a complete rebuild and then go undefeated. Mangini was set for a step back and parlayed it into a step forward. Hopefully he'll get the recognition for that that he deserves. And hopefully he does actually deserve it. ;)
I doubt most of them think they'll stay.
Anderson, is still crap. I would almost rather have Jake Delhomme than Anderson.. but it's hard to say. IMO Jake's rating is only higher because he had Steve Smith, to throw it to. Who frankly can catch almost anything as long as it's in the same zipcode. If he had Anderson's crew he'd be just as bad.
Is that true?
The National Championship game is tomorrow night.
Their "post-season" drags on almost as long as the NBA's.
Zombie_babies, why do they take a month off at the end?
With all the bowls (Gator, Orange and Rose) how do you pick which team goes into the National Championship Game?
The National Championship game is tomorrow night.
Their "post-season" drags on almost as long as the NBA's.
Zombie_babies, why do they take a month off at the end?
The Big 10 only has 11 teams and therefore does not play a Conference Championship Game like the SEC, Big 12, etc. Even then, there's a significant delay. I'm not sure as to why it's so long. Sometimes the delay causes teams to come out rusty and flat. Other times, as was the case with the Orange Bowl this year, it allows a team a crapton of time to prepare for an otherqise unique opponent. Iowa credits the time off for their win. It gave them time to understand the triple option that GT runs. Overall, I think that it's stretched so long because there are so many bowls and each bowl wants its own date/time in order to maximize advertising revenue. So, since there's so many games wanting a spotlight, it takes forever to get through them. Dolla dolla bills, ya'all.
So the Bowls are just another game... or are they the start of the playoffs?
With all the bowls (Gator, Orange and Rose) how do you pick which team goes into the National Championship Game?
The Bowls have nothing to do with the National Championship - except for the Nat Champ game itself, of course, which happens to be played at a BCS bowl location (Rose Bowl this year - that means two BCS games are played there, but only the second decides the Nat Champ). The teams picked to play for the Championship are selected by a combination of polls and machines. The rank each team is given comes from these places and involves coaches, sportswriters and computer calculations considering strength of schedule, points for/against, etc. A combination yields the rank and the teams ranked 1 and 2 respectively are typically chosen to play for the Nat Champ at the conclusion of the regular season. All bowl games are considered postseason even though they count toward team record, stats and individual stats. There is no playoff. Your record during the regular season determines and bowl selection committees determine your place in the bowl world. Some conferences have a Conference Championship game which is about as close to a playoff game you'll get in D1. Though it's played by conference foes, it can have major implications on bowl placement as some traditionally take the winner of a certain conference. The Rose Bowl, for example, tradtionally pits the Big 10 champ against the PAC 10 champ - unless either champ is playing for the Nat Champ and then they usually choose the division runner up.
It's not a very popular (outside of plenty of the schools administration) system and leaves much to be desired. For example, there were 5 undefeated teams this year but only two will play to determine who the Nat Champ is. You'll also see some 2 loss teams be placed above one loss teams in the rankings as well. This is usually due to a weak schedule or a negative bias toward the conference the one loss team plays in. It's not always the case, though, as we saw Penn State this year - from the newly maligned Big 10 (though this may have improved) - stay consistantly high in the polls even though their schedule was pathetically easy and they lost badly to the only two good teams they played - at home, too. They got love because they're school is called Penn State. That simple. OSU gets that all the time, too. It's a craptastic system. It also relies heavily upon fanbase - at least as far as bowl selection is concerned. There are guaranteed BCS bids - Big 10/PAC 10 for Rose Bowl, etc - but there are also 'at-large' bids that can be given to a school that's not a member of a BCS conference. This does happen, but if a bowl committee is given the choice of, say, at-large Schmoe U or Michigan, they'll probably pick Michigan even if they're the worse team. Why? Because they're fans travel, as they call it, and will pack seats and drive TV ratings no matter how bad they're expected to suck. So, as you can see, it's a heap of nonsense. Hope all this BS helped explain the system at least a little. Oh, and it was totally unbiased, too.
Well, it's all true anyway. ;)That is so retarded it's not even funny.
Wow..
That is so retarded it's not even funny.
Yep. It's pretty bad. Consider this: With everything that this country is going through and all our lawmakers are looking at, with issues that should unite instead of divide like healthcare and the economy, there is still no cross-party solidarity - except in one case. That case? The universal dislike of the BCS. Obama hates it and several Obama hating Republicans do, too. They'd work with him to fix it right this minute if that wouldn't get them all crucified since there's more important things to deal with. It's amazing to think about how awful the system is if it can unite the parties - and not just that, but also enemies that have publicly criticised and attacked one another's policy as well. It's got to go. If the country ever gets straightened out, it may, too.
Though really, fixing this problem could be as a "side effect" of examining our "fine" educational system and burning it to the ground and rebuilding.
EDIT: Founderated it. It gives some insight as to what I was talking about with the number of undefeated teams, too. The author also has come up with a solution (not included in this article, unfortunately) - a playoff system that would include the Bowls still and make more money for all involved - except the 'not-for-profit' bowl committess. They are, of course, not for profit, but their employess still need to be paid. A lot. ;) Anyhoo, I think this guy really gets it and I enjoy reading his stuff. Take a look, it's a neat read.
Yep. It's pretty bad. Consider this: With everything that this country is going through and all our lawmakers are looking at, with issues that should unite instead of divide like healthcare and the economy, there is still no cross-party solidarity - except in one case. That case? The universal dislike of the BCS. Obama hates it and several Obama hating Republicans do, too. They'd work with him to fix it right this minute if that wouldn't get them all crucified since there's more important things to deal with. It's amazing to think about how awful the system is if it can unite the parties - and not just that, but also enemies that have publicly criticised and attacked one another's policy as well. It's got to go. If the country ever gets straightened out, it may, too.
Wasn't there talk for a while that the legislature might pass a bill forcing colleges to switch to a playoff system?
Either way, Texas is going to win tonight.
[Wasn't there talk for a while that the legislature might pass a bill forcing colleges to switch to a playoff system?
Either way, Texas is going to win tonight.
Nah. There was one Senator or something that was gonna sue the BCS and Obama has publicly called for a playoff, but with the state of the country today, they simply can't afford to work on something as relatively trivial as college football. In the article I linked, however, there's some evidence presented as to why it's not as trivial as some think - even though it's still a minor concern compared to other stuff. It's possible that we could see some sort of government action taken in the future, though.
Texas? I think you and Texas are about the only people that think Texas is gonna win. I think 'Bama's gonna pull it off, but I've been wrong before. A lot.
I doubt that senate will do anything. The school and other organizations would probably fight federal legislation, even if they hate the BCS. Many people in the top schools might hate the BCS but going to a playoff system means that a worse school or a less popular school has a chance of winning the national title. Something they don't seem to want. Also a playeoff system would be difficult to implement. There are like a few hundred colleges or some such with football teams. The NFL is only something like 32 or something. With college a playoff system would only take like the top 5% of teams and make a playoff system. Well it is still likely that people wont be happy and will complain. There have been undefeated teams that have been barely ranked with the BCS rankings. with a playoff system they'd be able to get into the playoff. However many bigger named school would think that they have a weak schedule and that their own school, that had a couple of losses against the top couple of teams, should be in that spot instead of an undeafeated unkowns basically unranked team.
It of course probably wouldn't work if only the top 20 to 30 teams got to play in the playoffs. It would still exclude teams with good records that aren't ranked. They'll complain.
I think that the BCS thing will just be something that people will complain about that nobody will do anything about.
I think the reason people 'hate' Texas this year is cuz 'Bama beat down Florida and Texas had problems with friggin' Nebraska. Now, Nebraska ain't terrible and Florida wasn't what it was last year, but still, that says somethin' about the teams. 'Bama is the better team on paper. We'll see who the better team is on the field tonight. Well, I won't cuz I won't be watchin', but I will read about it tomorrow.
Josh Cribbs is formally requesting a trade after he found the new contract offered to him 'insulting'. They offered $1.4 mil a year. He makes about $1 mil a year now. Apparently, they're worlds apart here and the Browns don't seem to value him very much. He doesn't want to play anywhere else, but feels that he's been forced to in order to get proper value for his play. So it looks like the do everything, best kick returner in the history of the game is going to leave Cleveland unless Mike gets his walrus head out of his ass and does something to prevent it. Soon. When things start to look up when you're a Browns fan, it just means that they're about to get that much worse. No need to keep the best player on the team, I guess.
Isn't Jerome Harrison the Browns best player?
I don't know the details of the the Browns or if Josh Cribbs can actually play offense, but Harrison (from his end of the year numbers) looks like a very excellent RB.
Not to downplay return men since they are important, but I think they're typically overrated since they're very exciting. People used to say how Devon Hester (the greatest return man ever for a time) was one of the best players in the league (obviously retarded statement) and now I'm sure everyone would much rather have Matt Forte (or Cedric Benson) over him.
With that all said, they probably could have offered him a better deal.
Cribbs is not only a dangerous return man, he's a WR, QB, RB and possibly our best kick coverage guy. He runs the Wildcat and has to be taken credibly as a passer - because that's what he was at Kent State. He can run inside or outside and hurt you. Whenever he's on the field, he must be accounted for. And those return yards? Well, he can set up the offense with great field position with those. That's something that impacts the entire game. In the Rose Bowl this year, the only reason Oregon was in it at all was because of their kickoff/punt return game. They started near or inside of OSU territory constantly. That's huge. Even when forced to punt, the kick hemmed in the Buckeyes. Imagine if it was the other way around. The game wouldn't have been close. In short, a good kick return can spark a team in many ways. IMO, it's often an underrated job and there's very few that are truly good at it. Add that to what else Cribbs brings to the table - most importantly that 'X' factor that makes the defense need to know where he is at all times - and you get a guy that deserves a payday. Oh, he's a captain, too. So let's add leadership to the tally.
I understand that special teams is important. I think a good special teams can be a real boon. But a player who's primarily a special teams player plus a few trick play packages (I don't think he's a regular WR is he?), is going to have a hard time convincing me that he's the best player on a team (unless a team is horribly bad, which could be the case).
I'm not saying he's not good, but if your kick returner/wildcat man is better than your QB, RBs, WRs, linemen, LBs, and DBs, then there's a problem. The Browns won five games; they can't be THAT horrible, right?
If he were honestly better than most of those positions, why wouldn't you just play him there? I've never seen him throw, but even if he's a crappy Michael Vick, then that's a lot better than DA or Quinn. He's extremely good at what he does, but its not as all impactful as other positions on the field. Is his designated position WR or CB?
I don't think he's a starting QB, but he can throw out of the Wildcat. That makes the Wildcat a more viable formation because there is a real threat of a pass. As to why he never got to start over Quinn or DA, all you need to remember is that Mangini still thinks DA has what it takes to be the starter. In other words, the guy that makes the calls isn't making the right ones in this case.
The Browns did win 5 times, yes. But who did they beat? Their best win was against the Steelers - a team that failed to make the playoffs because of some serious issues. So yeah, they damn well can be a crapball of a team and Josh could very well be the best player on it. ;) That said, the line is pretty ok and Harrison is good and has potential - maybe. Still, Cribbs is the man. And no matter how good he is, he's better than what they're offering.
Bad Browns news:
Josh Cribbs is formally requesting a trade after he found the new contract offered to him 'insulting'. They offered $1.4 mil a year. He makes about $1 mil a year now. Apparently, they're worlds apart here and the Browns don't seem to value him very much. He doesn't want to play anywhere else, but feels that he's been forced to in order to get proper value for his play. So it looks like the do everything, best kick returner in the history of the game is going to leave Cleveland unless Mike gets his walrus head out of his ass and does something to prevent it. Soon. When things start to look up when you're a Browns fan, it just means that they're about to get that much worse. No need to keep the best player on the team, I guess.
So wait. His current contract is 1 mil and they offered to give him a raise but because it wasn't as big as he was hoping he's leaving? Wow.
So wait. His current contract is 1 mil and they offered to give him a raise but because it wasn't as big as he was hoping he's leaving? Wow.
It's not in line with his current value. The contract he has was written assuming certain performace levels that he's now totally exceeded. And, in the NFL, you have to pay people a comparable sum to those that play a similar position with similar skill or risk losing them. The offer given wasn't enough to him and I happen to agree. He doesn't deserve $10 mil a year or anything, but he's not asking for it, either. His agent said that if the Browns had come at them with an offer of about $2.5 mil a year, they'd have worked with them. He's not askin' for the world. Oh, there were about six teams earlier this season that were interested in him, too. It's not like he's out of his mind with his numbers.
Well don't the browns suck? It might be in his best interest to go shopping around for another team especially if they're going to pay him more.
That's kinda why it's bad news for us Browns fans. ;) It is in his best interest to be traded somewhere and try to renegotiate his deal there. Right now, he can't immediately command more cash from any team since he's still under contract, but he could try to get more money from a more sympathetic ear at another office. He says he doesn't want to leave and I believe that, but the sucky Browns are makin' it all too clear that that would be his best move. And that's why he is now officially seeking a trade. The Browns don't have to give him one and it could be a move to put some pressure on them to pay him more, but it very well could end up that he leaves.
Ryan Howard's pay history:
2004 - 300k
2005 - 300k
2006 - 355k
2007 - 900k
2008 - 10M
2009 - 15M (3 yrs $54M contract)
This is also considered the years which the Phillies "control" his salary (where you wasn't a free agent). And there was a dispute where Howard "won" the salary of $10M in 2008.
Well, that's something I guess. *ahem* PAY JOSH CRIBBS, DAMMIT!
Although I think $2.5M for a return man is significant. For the Browns, I think he's worth it since he plays a significant role in different packages and is one of a handful of Browns that even hardcore football fans can name.
At first, I was against Mangini and thought he would suck. He kinda did, but at the end of the year, he made things happen with a ton of nobodies. You can't ask a man to rebuild and allow him to trade draft picks for more draft picks and then only give him one year. It's a good decision to keep him. This way, we'll have a better idea of what kind of coach he is.
Well at least the morning radio will be interesting. One of the host for RAD is a huge ass longhorns fan and he was being such a jerk about the longhorns giving it to Alabama. The other two hosts, as well as many callers, will go and just give it to him like nothing else. Oh god it will be funny hearing everybody rub in the longhorn loss cuz he'll just whine like a baby. and that's just funny to hear when he starts throwing a tantrum.
As is our Qb.
God be anyone but Delhomme.
We can keep Peppers because while he's over paid, at least he doesn't suck at his job when he feels the need to play. Which apparently the bestowing of that need was dependent on whether or not Shakey Jakey was on the field.
Not that I blame him really. I wouldn't play very hard either on D, if I knew Jake was the QB.
And seriously, Mangini thinks Anderson is a key to victory... really.... Was he not present for all but one of the browns wins?
Cribbs should come to us at Carolina. He'd be appreciated there. If we could appreciate Delhomme, we can certainly appreciate one of the league's best players.
Cribbs should come to us at Carolina. He'd be appreciated there. If we could appreciate Delhomme, we can certainly appreciate one of the league's best players.
C'mon, its one thing to say he's one of the Brown's best players, but the league?
If he went to Carolina, Steve Smith, both your RBs, Jordan Gross (I think), Peppers, Beasley, and that CB would probably all be better than him (at least in my opinion).
Cribbs is excellent at what he does, but let's not go overboard.
Well here is the basics of the game. Colt McCoy gets injured early. Noob freshmen comes in to fill in for him and sucks. Does really horrible and leads to turn overs. At the half Colt is seen as OK to go back into the game but it seems that many of his family and supports asked to keep him out of the game so that he doesn't get hurt any more so as to not jeopardise his future NFL carrier. Freshmen suck bag noob does well for a few plays and they get within 3 point of Alabama. Well then he decides to just start giving it to Alabama again because he sucks. Alabama scores again. Funny though that they miss an extra point. lol. but still. Texas lost but they did come close to winning with using a freshman suck bag noob no experience quarterback for like 95% of the game. Colt should have said screw it, sucked it up and grown some pride and got his butt in that game and win the damn game. Maybe he can go into the NFL and have a fail carrier for having no courage. For having no balls. It sucks that the longhorns lost but it is almost deserved because their star player had a chance to come back into the game and instead decided to abandon his team.
Well at least the morning radio will be interesting. One of the host for RAD is a huge ass longhorns fan and he was being such a jerk about the longhorns giving it to Alabama. The other two hosts, as well as many callers, will go and just give it to him like nothing else. Oh god it will be funny hearing everybody rub in the longhorn loss cuz he'll just whine like a baby. and that's just funny to hear when he starts throwing a tantrum.
For what it's worth, from what I've read it's clear that Colt wanted to play. His coach wouldn't let him, though. He asked to go back in but was told to wear the headset and cheer from the sidelines. Overall, it's a good decision. This game didn't mean jack. He don't get paid 'till he's in the NFL.
Cribbs is one of the best players in the league. That's why he's going to the Pro Bowl. Ok, that means he's popular, but still. As I said, there were many teams interested in him for a while and the general consensus is that the man can play. I've seen a crapton of commentary that echoes Micha's - all sorts of people sayin' that they want Josh for their team. The guy is a fantastic player. And he is the best all time kickoff returner as evidenced by the record he tied and then broke in the same friggin' half of a game.
Cribbs should come to us at Carolina. He'd be appreciated there. If we could appreciate Delhomme, we can certainly appreciate one of the league's best players.
C'mon, its one thing to say he's one of the Brown's best players, but the league? If he went to Carolina, Steve Smith, both your RBs, Jordan Gross (I think), Peppers, Beasley, and that CB would probably all be better than him (at least in my opinion). Cribbs is excellent at what he does, but let's not go overboard.
One of the best in the League. Cleveland does that from time to time. Get a stupidly good player on a very **** team and then they go and be stupid and not pay them whatever mere pittance that he asks for.
We don't need more RBs. We need more WRs and Cribbs is one of the best at it. Quinn threw to him for a reason when he could.
Peppers is above average. he's not that hot really. On days he just doesn't feel like playing he's ice cold and not in the good way. We pay him far too much for what he's worth.
You also have to remember the Division, Carolina is in. And the one Cleveland is in. Cleveland's division is typically better than the NFC South as far as having hard schedules go. *especially in our No Defense world typically*
Also our Special teams are in TERRIBLE shape right now, even if we kept Cribbs strictly on ST, we'd be worlds better with him. And able to win more games. *infact we went to play offs more than once due to our awesome special teams. We used to be known for Special Teams, along with our ground game.*
Cribbs is one of the best players in the league. That's why he's going to the Pro Bowl. Ok, that means he's popular, but still. As I said, there were many teams interested in him for a while and the general consensus is that the man can play. I've seen a crapton of commentary that echoes Micha's - all sorts of people sayin' that they want Josh for their team. The guy is a fantastic player. And he is the best all time kickoff returner as evidenced by the record he tied and then broke in the same friggin' half of a game.
I'm not saying he's not an excellent player, but I think its really hard to argue that he's one of the best players in the league. Even if he's the best returner EVER, it'd be hard to be one of the league's best players without a consistent impact on offense or defense.
If let's say, "one of the best players in the league" means one of the top 100 players in the NFL, would most teams trade one of their three best players for Cribbs?
I would LOVE to have Cribbs on the Falcons, but I would no way want to give up either Matt Ryan, Roddy White, or Michael Turner for him.
Even though Cpt_Micha would love to have Cribbs on Carolina, would you give up Steve Smith, Julius Peppers, or that CBs for him? (Micha might since he hates Peppers, maybe replace him with which ever RB you think is better.)
Think of a team you like and root for. Then pick out their three best players. Would you get rid of one of them for Cribbs? (Of course for bad teams, this doesn't work as well since talent could be lacking.)
I hate to sound like I'm destroying Cribbs. I think he's a really good player. I would really like if the Falcons (or pretty much any team I root for) traded for him. He's excellent at what he does, but a top player in the NFL? I can't subscribe to that.
I'd also like, another Receiver. *Though Cribbs can fufill that role as well pretty readily*
I'd probably get a new safety as well.
The others maybe not so much, but Peppers surely. Because he eats too much money. He's a good Individual Player, but unfortunately such is his price tag that it hurts the Team overall in my opinion.
I could give up Beasely as well for Cribbs possibly.
I think Cribbs and Gamble would be a dangerous combination personally.
That being said I wouldn't have to give up any of those guys you mentioned if we told Jake to Gohomme. And we could still get our hands on Cribbs :-p
Because hey, if Mangini is really dumb enough to think Anderson is a starter he's surely gonna love The Shake.
That said, I agree with your top 3 players (for good teams) argument. It's hard to think of the Pats trading even an injured Welker for Cribbs.
And before you say he's on a bad team, elite WRs can put up numbers on horrible teams.
Larry Fitzgerald in his rookie season without Kurt Warner had 58 catches for 780 yards and 8 TDs (only 1 fumble). That was his rookie season. The Cardinals went 6-10 with the 26th ranked offense that year. Josh McCown was their QB.
Andre Johnson
2006: 103 catches for 1147 yards and 5 TDs (1 fumble). Their record was 6-10 with the 28th offense and David Carr as their QB.
2005: 63 catches for 688 yards and 2 TDs (no fumbles). They were 2-14 with the 26th offense and David Carr.
2004: 79 catches for 1142 yards and 6 TDs (1 fumble). They were 7-9 with the 21st offense and David Carr.
2003 (rookie year): 66 catches for 976 yards and 4 TDs (no fumbles). 5-11 with the 28th offense and David Carr.
TO (who's not elite anymore) had 55 catches for 829 yards and 5 TDs (1 fumble) on a bad Buffalo team (6-10 with 28th ranked offense).
For what it's worth, from what I've read it's clear that Colt wanted to play. His coach wouldn't let him, though. He asked to go back in but was told to wear the headset and cheer from the sidelines. Overall, it's a good decision. This game didn't mean jack. He don't get paid 'till he's in the NFL.
I have the game recorded so I could go back and listen to who the announcers named as saying who wanted him back in and the way more people that wanted to keep him out but I don't feel like watching that game again. I hope this freshman does better than this next year. Well anyways there was one or two people for colt going back into the game and like a dozen that wanted him to stay out so he would stay safe for his NFL carrier. As far as future plans and stuff it was the smart choice. But as far as having bravado, honor and being a man the decision to be on the sideline was just lame. Sure it's nothing compared to the NFL but he's the QB for his team. He's the leader. If he can play then he should be leading from the field and not the side line. I'm a bit disappointed that he didn't do what he could so that he could lead his team to a victory. This just seems to say coward of which he'll likely show those colors in the prose.
With as close as the game was with a backup QB, that couldn't throw a pass to save his life and had like half a dozen turn overs, if Colt would have gotten back in the game there is a great chance the outcome would have been quite different.
Well when Colt was interviewed at the end of the game about his injury and what he thought about the game he seemed to dodge the injury questions a bit and he also just seemed hesitant period. He just seemed quite disappointed in himself or something.
Dude, do you honestly think Cribbs is one of the best WRs in the league? He had 20 catches for 135 yds and 1 TD (along with 2 fumbles). He has 36 career catches! And before you say he's on a bad team, elite WRs can put up numbers on horrible teams. Larry Fitzgerald in his rookie season without Kurt Warner had 58 catches for 780 yards and 8 TDs (only 1 fumble). That was his rookie season. The Cardinals went 6-10 with the 26th ranked offense that year. Josh McCown was their QB. Andre Johnson 2006: 103 catches for 1147 yards and 5 TDs (1 fumble). Their record was 6-10 with the 28th offense and David Carr as their QB. 2005: 63 catches for 688 yards and 2 TDs (no fumbles). They were 2-14 with the 26th offense and David Carr. 2004: 79 catches for 1142 yards and 6 TDs (1 fumble). They were 7-9 with the 21st offense and David Carr. 2003 (rookie year): 66 catches for 976 yards and 4 TDs (no fumbles). 5-11 with the 28th offense and David Carr. TO (who's not elite anymore) had 55 catches for 829 yards and 5 TDs (1 fumble) on a bad Buffalo team (6-10 with 28th ranked offense).
Think about who Cribbs has had all season as a QB though.
Anderson is a **** QB. You have to understand Anderson is so bad, that I have a very difficult time picking between he and The Shake as to which one is the worst QB in the League. Also Cribbs has spent -alot- of time on the Defense side of the ball.
Quinn didn't get many chances to throw to Cribbs.
The teams in question might be bad for the other's but they weren't so bad that they could lose to the Lions.
All I know is what I read and that's Colt wanted to go back in but was not allowed to by the coach. With the backup getting them close like that, you have to think Colt could have won it. And you have to think the backup may end up bein' pretty good once he gets over the nerves. Being asked to take over at the start of the Nat Champ is a load.
Of course it was a load. It showed and he rushed for no reason and his passes showed that he was rushing things and trying too hard.
As far as colt goes. NFL might be hesitant to get him for this staying out of the game might say that he's to frail for what they want. The hit didn't even look like a hard hit and apparently it was good enough to take him out of the game. Why would an NFL team want him if he's likely to get hit way harder than that and more often? Sure it was smart to stay out to not get hurt further but it might also tell NFL teams that he's too weak for the NFL. It is likely that the coaching staff, and possibly family, kept him out of the game so that he couldn't get hurt and so that they couldn't be blamed for ruining his possible NFL carrier. So not so much as saving him for an NFL carrier but rather for saving their own ass.
Think about who Cribbs has had all season as a QB though.
Anderson is a **** QB. You have to understand Anderson is so bad, that I have a very difficult time picking between he and The Shake as to which one is the worst QB in the League. Also Cribbs has spent -alot- of time on the Defense side of the ball.
Quinn didn't get many chances to throw to Cribbs.
The teams in question might be bad for the other's but they weren't so bad that they could lose to the Lions.
Steve Smith had Delhomme for 12 weeks and wound up putting up decent numbers (in those weeks).
-As far as colt goes. NFL might be hesitant to get him for this staying out of the game might say that he's to frail for what they want. The hit didn't even look like a hard hit and apparently it was good enough to take him out of the game. Why would an NFL team want him if he's likely to get hit way harder than that and more often? Sure it was smart to stay out to not get hurt further but it might also tell NFL teams that he's too weak for the NFL. It is likely that the coaching staff, and possibly family, kept him out of the game so that he couldn't get hurt and so that they couldn't be blamed for ruining his possible NFL carrier. So not so much as saving him for an NFL carrier but rather for saving their own ass.
I don't really know much about college football, but I was listening to an analysis of his draft value this morning on Mike and Mike. They said that his ability to play well against good defenses was in question. Doing awful in his last game really hurt him. They said that he needed to play well to be in the top 2 rounds and if he played poorly he'd probably drop to the 3-5 rounds. So getting hurt and not playing really puts a question mark on where he'll go. Did he at least play well in the series which he was in?
Cleveland those positions might as well not even be on the field for all the good they do.
Different situation really. Smith had often times protection to do his job deep field because his teammates can at least for a little while keep up with him when he runs, and time to get out there at least. In Cleveland, not only did they have a Shakey Jakey Grade QB, but a line which is equally as bad.
Remember Cleveland is filled with Losers all the way around. Their best players are Harris (or is it Harrison), Cribbs and Quinn. Quinn isn't a fantastic QB by any stretch of the imagination, I might be willing to call him good, but frankly his team is so bad we'll most likely never know. Everyone else, is either so bad they might as well not even be there, or they are out of shape and uncooridinated.
I imagine Cribbs can become a good WR (I imagine slot or #2, I don't think he'll be as bad as Devon Hester, maybe like Randel El but better), but that's far from elite and one of the best in the league.
But that's all speculation at this point anyway.
So who do you guys have for the big games this weekend (and the future of the playoffs)? I actually think they're pretty hard to pick.
Jets v Bengals - I think last week meant nothing to the outcome of this game. With that said, the Jets do have a good defense and solid running game. But the Bengals have a defense that'll probably make it an extremely hard day for Thomas Jones. I imagine it'll be a very tight game (unless Sanchez sucks worse than normal) for the most part. I think Cedric Benson will be able to do some damage since it is the weaker part of the Jets defense. But when it all comes down to it, in a tight game, if one (or two) drives will determine the outcome, I'd much rather go with Carson Palmer than Mark Sanchez to win the game. Bengals to cover and win in one that gets away at the end for the Jets.
Eagles v Cowboys - As I said, I was convinced that the Eagles were the best team in the NFC, but that beatdown last week really made me reconsider. Does losing a center matter that much? I'll say it'll be a much closer game, but I'll go with the Cowboys. McNabb will have the ball to win it and they'll be stopped. Cowboys by less than a TD but more than a FG. (I hope not though.)
Ravens v Patriots - Even though this is supposedly the easiest game to pick, New England just hasn't been looking very good lately. Their defense is pretty awful and losing Wes Welker will hurt. But Tom Brady will destroy a horrible Ravens secondary. I also expect Ray Rice to have an excellent game and limit Brady's damage. But the Ravens really aren't very good, especially their once great defense. The Patriots will break away towards the end of the game. (I'll root against them though.)
Packers v Cardinals - I have no idea how this game will go. Both teams are solid on both sides of the ball, when they want to be. Injuries are huge in this game, but I can't tell if it'll be high scoring or a defensive struggle. I'll just go with the Cardinals in an attempt to revive their magic from last year. But I have no idea in this game.
Yeah, Cleveland is pretty horrible, especially on offense. But at the end of the season, their running game was actually pretty excellent. So their line can't be all that bad, right?
I imagine Cribbs can become a good WR (I imagine slot or #2, I don't think he'll be as bad as Devon Hester, maybe like Randel El but better), but that's far from elite and one of the best in the league.
But that's all speculation at this point anyway.
So who do you guys have for the big games this weekend (and the future of the playoffs)? I actually think they're pretty hard to pick.
Jets v Bengals - I think last week meant nothing to the outcome of this game. With that said, the Jets do have a good defense and solid running game. But the Bengals have a defense that'll probably make it an extremely hard day for Thomas Jones. I imagine it'll be a very tight game (unless Sanchez sucks worse than normal) for the most part. I think Cedric Benson will be able to do some damage since it is the weaker part of the Jets defense. But when it all comes down to it, in a tight game, if one (or two) drives will determine the outcome, I'd much rather go with Carson Palmer than Mark Sanchez to win the game. Bengals to cover and win in one that gets away at the end for the Jets.
Eagles v Cowboys - As I said, I was convinced that the Eagles were the best team in the NFC, but that beatdown last week really made me reconsider. Does losing a center matter that much? I'll say it'll be a much closer game, but I'll go with the Cowboys. McNabb will have the ball to win it and they'll be stopped. Cowboys by less than a TD but more than a FG. (I hope not though.)
Ravens v Patriots - Even though this is supposedly the easiest game to pick, New England just hasn't been looking very good lately. Their defense is pretty awful and losing Wes Welker will hurt. But Tom Brady will destroy a horrible Ravens secondary. I also expect Ray Rice to have an excellent game and limit Brady's damage. But the Ravens really aren't very good, especially their once great defense. The Patriots will break away towards the end of the game. (I'll root against them though.)
Packers v Cardinals - I have no idea how this game will go. Both teams are solid on both sides of the ball, when they want to be. Injuries are huge in this game, but I can't tell if it'll be high scoring or a defensive struggle. I'll just go with the Cardinals in an attempt to revive their magic from last year. But I have no idea in this game.
It's been a while since I've done weekend pics but it's play off time. I might as well right?
Bengals vs Jets: Really the Bengals Defense is incredible. Typically it's what wins you Super Bowls. Offense though is what I feel gets you there. Much as I'd love an Ohio team to get it done this weekend. It's going to be a gritty slobber knocker. But unless something bad happens in the Jets camp offensively I will give this one to the Jets. But just barely.
Eagles vs the Cowgirls: I'm going to say the Dog beaters will win this one. I want the Cowgirls to win, really I do. But they are swingy. I'm not sure if they've found the grove yet. if they have though, they'll cover the Eagles well, and win by 4-6 points. So Eagles.
Ravens vs Pats: I said the Ravens were done earlier this year. I don't believe that now. The Pats however are doing their damndest to impersonate the Rams with their lack of enthusiasm. Ravens.
Cardinals vs Packers: We know who I'm rooting for here. And it is never going to be those cheeseheads. It's playoff time and really I feel that there's no one to stop them this week. Providing they feel like playing. Cards. And I'm pulling for the birdies too.
I don't really know much about college football, but I was listening to an analysis of his draft value this morning on Mike and Mike. They said that his ability to play well against good defenses was in question. Doing awful in his last game really hurt him. They said that he needed to play well to be in the top 2 rounds and if he played poorly he'd probably drop to the 3-5 rounds. So getting hurt and not playing really puts a question mark on where he'll go. Did he at least play well in the series which he was in?
Yes. He got hurt on the 5th play or something. Before Colt got hurt Alabama was looking like a joke. Alabama had basically turned over the ball twice at this point in the game or at least once. Heck they did a fake punt and threw an interception.
Listening to the radio. According to the report Colt and his dad wanted him in the game but the coaches said no. So either he and his dad are lying to reporters or the coaches kept him off the field to protect their rep in case he got hurt. Other than that the coaches shouldn't be caring about the NFL for it is this game that is their life and carrier.
Jets v Bengals - I think last week meant nothing to the outcome of this game. With that said, the Jets do have a good defense and solid running game. But the Bengals have a defense that'll probably make it an extremely hard day for Thomas Jones. I imagine it'll be a very tight game (unless Sanchez sucks worse than normal) for the most part. I think Cedric Benson will be able to do some damage since it is the weaker part of the Jets defense. But when it all comes down to it, in a tight game, if one (or two) drives will determine the outcome, I'd much rather go with Carson Palmer than Mark Sanchez to win the game. Bengals to cover and win in one that gets away at the end for the Jets.
I have to go with the Bengals on this one. They fell apart last week, but they've bounced back from worse this year already. The Jets just played well, so they're due to collapse again. I think Sanchise has what it takes to be a pro baller but that he's still getting used to the stage he's on now. USC's a big college market with lots of hopes and dreams, sure. But New York is a whole different animal and it's made mush of men stronger than him. I think he's the key to this game. Doe he manage the game or take it over? If he manages - if the Bengals let them run the ball - they have a shot. Otherwise, you've got Palmer - who's amazing - and a team that's motivated by the loss of two members of its family. So I pick Ochocinco and co to get it done.
Eagles v Cowboys - As I said, I was convinced that the Eagles were the best team in the NFC, but that beatdown last week really made me reconsider. Does losing a center matter that much? I'll say it'll be a much closer game, but I'll go with the Cowboys. McNabb will have the ball to win it and they'll be stopped. Cowboys by less than a TD but more than a FG. (I hope not though.)
Yes, a center is that imporant - if your backup isn't very good. I want the Birds, but I think it's gonna be the Boys. They're serious this year. That's something they've been missing of late.
Ravens v Patriots - Even though this is supposedly the easiest game to pick, New England just hasn't been looking very good lately. Their defense is pretty awful and losing Wes Welker will hurt. But Tom Brady will destroy a horrible Ravens secondary. I also expect Ray Rice to have an excellent game and limit Brady's damage. But the Ravens really aren't very good, especially their once great defense. The Patriots will break away towards the end of the game. (I'll root against them though.)
Pats. All day long. The Pats aren't the normal Pats, but the Ravens D isn't the normal Ravens D. Even without Welker, Brady is just too much for this team. Baltimore is also much more prone to mistakes than NE. In a game like this, that's the difference more times than not.
Packers v Cardinals - I have no idea how this game will go. Both teams are solid on both sides of the ball, when they want to be. Injuries are huge in this game, but I can't tell if it'll be high scoring or a defensive struggle. I'll just go with the Cardinals in an attempt to revive their magic from last year. But I have no idea in this game.
I want the Pack to win, but I won't care if the Birds pull it off (cuz of Beanie Wells). I, too, think this is the tough one to pick. The Packers have looked pretty good lately, but they also fell apart playing the Vikings - a team Arizona ate alive. I don't know. I want the Pack to win, so I'll say they're going to. And yes, that's the entirety of what I'm basing this pick on.
Other than that the coaches shouldn't be caring about the NFL for it is this game that is their life and carrier.
Incorrect. When it comes to NFL bound players, the coach's ultimate responsibility is to make sure that player makes it to the place that pays. They want to win games, of course, but they also need to recruit players every year. While winning games is part of that, you're not gonna get the best if you show a disregard for their professional hopes. And this year saw two coaches fired for actions taken against players. In the current climate, it makes perfect sense for a coach to err on the side of caution to insulate himself against any criticism. Would you rather be taking questions about why you didnt play Colt or why you played him hurt if he ended up injured worse? In this case, it was to both sides' benefit to sit him. Sure, it sucks because he could have possibly led them to a win. But you ask Colt if he'd rather win the Nat Champ and potentially end his pro career before it started or to lose it and get paid and see what he tells you. ;)
Incorrect. When it comes to NFL bound players, the coach's ultimate responsibility is to make sure that player makes it to the place that pays. They want to win games, of course, but they also need to recruit players every year. While winning games is part of that, you're not gonna get the best if you show a disregard for their professional hopes. And this year saw two coaches fired for actions taken against players. In the current climate, it makes perfect sense for a coach to err on the side of caution to insulate himself against any criticism. Would you rather be taking questions about why you didnt play Colt or why you played him hurt if he ended up injured worse? In this case, it was to both sides' benefit to sit him. Sure, it sucks because he could have possibly led them to a win. But you ask Colt if he'd rather win the Nat Champ and potentially end his pro career before it started or to lose it and get paid and see what he tells you. ;)
Those coaches that got fired IIRC got fired for doing stuff like putting players that didn't want to play/practice, because of a concussion, into something like a locker or whatnot during practice time. The coaches didn't get fired for wanting to win or for doing everything they could to win. They got fired for blatant abuse of another human being. Stuffing a player in a locker or closet is abuse. Especially when the reason the coach had them in there was for being injured. That's a bit different than not playing your start player, that might be a bit injured, when he wants to play and can play.
Another thing is that there is no guarantee that he'll be drafted and make it to the NFL or that if he is that he'll be there for more than a year or so. It is quite possible that him being on the sideline for the game ends his carrier and that if he played and won that he could have been (easily) in the first few rounds of the draft. We of course will never know the what ifs....
Well to me if he did decide to stay out of the game himself (and so reports are a lie) then he's greedy and he cares more about the money then he does about winning or supporting his team. And well if it were the coaches that decided then to me they shouldn't have to worry. Sure if he gets hurt it might hurt their recruiting and end colts NFL hopes but colt should have a back up plan anyways. Ya know, like while in college why not work on a degree as a fall back plan or something to fall back on when retiring from the NFL. ;) Now if he wins then it looks all good for both colt and the coaches. Although colt being later in the draft might mean that he's more likely to get onto a better team instead of one of them sucky teams. So i guess that could be good. meh.
Lots of times coaches have to protect the player from themselves. Someone said that he still had problems feeling his arm after the game. I'm not sure about the exact situation, but it definately took some luster out of the National Championship game when their star QB and face of the team leaves after a few plays.
But whatever, its over. Now its time for some real football games!
Well colt is the 2nd best running on the longhorns. The could have put him in and he and the running back could have taken turns running the ball. ;)
Could have worked though. Like go back for what looks to be a deep pass and when the line breaks apart and the field opens up just run it like 20 yrds or more. Probably could have worked cuz like even though he can't throw the other team doesn't know that. As far as they know he'd be coming back with a big pass play to show them that he ain't hurt. They could have just done a few plays like that to fire up the team again and then pull him out and stuff. Well because after a few times I'm sure Alabama would catch on.
I think the article said something like "colt just isn't the kind of person that gets hurt" or something. I think that's a bit of BS cuz IIRC a couple years ago he got hit after a play in that same spot and it took him out of the game. And IIRC that happened a few times that year where he got hit in that shoulder and would be out for the game or more. So it's likely more of a re-injury. A history of shoulder injuries on your throwing arm isn't going to look good for the nfl draft.
Yeah, a player said that - not the writer. I guess that player has a short memory or was a freshman or something. ;) I thought Colt's last injury was a concussion? I could be wrong.
Might have been. He seems to be injured all the time. Well football players seem to be injured all the time regardless.
Just a question about the Eagles/Cowboys game. If the Eagles win don't they play the Vikings in Philly and if the Cowboys win then they play in Minnesota?
I could be really far off base but I think that is how it goes but I'm really uncertain. If I'm right then that's another reason I'm pulling for the Cowboys. The Vikings are undefeated at home.
EDIT: Looking at the records, it appears that the only team Minnesota would need travel to is New Orleans. They're 12-4 and both Philly and Big D are 11-5. I could be wrong, though.
Minnesota will play at home next round no matter what. The rounds are reseeded after each round with the seeds going as the following:
1) New Orleans
2) Minnesota
3) Dallas
4) Arizona
5) Green Bay
6) Philadelphia
If the favorites win: Dallas and Arizona would both be on the road. The games would be:
Arizona (4) at New Orleans (1)
Dallas (3) at Minnesota (2)
If Philly and Arizona wins:
Philly (6) at New Orleans (1)
Arizona (4) at Minnesota (2)
If Philly and Green Bay wins:
Philly (6) at New Orleans (1)
Green Bay (5) at Minnesota (2)
If Dallas and Green Bay wins:
Green Bay (5) at New Orleans (1)
Dallas (3) at Minnesota (2)
And here's the AFC if anyone cares:
1) Indy
2) San Diego
3) New England
4) Cincy
5) New York Jets
6) Baltimore
If Cincy and New England win:
Cincy (4) at Indy (1)
New England (3) at San Diego (2)
If Cincy and Baltimore win:
Baltimore (6) at Indy (1)
Cincy (4) at San Diego (2)
If New York Jets and New England win:
New York Jets (5) at Indy (1)
New England (3) at San Diego (2)
If New York Jets and Baltimore win:
Baltimore (6) at Indy (1)
New York Jets (5) at San Diego (2)
Yeah, I'm calling them the Cowboys now. They have finally stepped it up and I think they are ready.
Are they ready for the Vikings? It depends, is the Coach going to not listen to Favre and the rest of the team, and make them run? If so, then yes the Cowboys will have their way with the Vikings.
If the coach listens to the team? Vikings.
The birdies made it quite the show last night, and beat the cheddarheads. *Thank god* Probably the best of the Sunday games easily.
Cinci lost, kinda like I expected them to. Need an offense too guys.
My Packers played a hell of a game but lost. At least Beanie had a good game on the other side in a pass-happy game. I really would have liked to see one good game this weekend, but I guess 3 terrible ones will have to do. Jeebus. Awful football. Simply awful.This weekend, I think was pretty surprising. Not by who won, but the way the games were played. I was surprised that the Jets actually won through their offense. Mark Sanchez looked good and that kid out of Iowa was great.
For the Eagles/Cowboys game, I expected the Cowboys to win, but I didn't not expect that beatdown. The Cowboys look great. The Eagles also didn't help matters since the Cowboys could pretty much line up whoever they wanted at the line since there was no threat to run.
Even though I wanted the Ravens to win, I was shocked by how poorly the entire Patriots team played. Their defense looked like a college defense (and not even one of the good ones) and Tom Brady looked like he was the second year player. I tell you, when he gets pressured and hit, he gets rattled. Some of his interceptions were just horrible decisions. And a great game (and season) from Ray Rice out of Rutgers!
And the final game: I thought it'd be a shoot out, but that was insane! (Although I did have Mr Warner on my fantasy team!) Both defenses were plainly embarassed although Arizona saved some face with a few big plays (to start and end the game). When Rackers missed, I thought it was a sign that Green Bay would win. Then when they won the toss, I thought it was over. But who would've expected some defense at that point?
It was a nice weekend of football! I'm really excited to see the Chargers back in action along with the rest of the upcoming games. My Cowboys/Chargers Superbowl still looks likely!
And no surprise, Peyton Manning ran away with the MVP this year. "That guy's pretty good."
Its like January should be football all weekends, but there's just too many events. I scheduled taking my wife out luckily on Championship weekend (since there's only games on Sunday) and fit doing stuff with her family before the games on that Sunday (luckily the first game starts at 3 pm).
So after fitting things so nicely, my parents call and throw off my plans. Don't people understand the importance of football? =P
Lots of high scores, and big plays. And alot of powerless defenses.
That bein said the cards will lose the sb if they play like that defensively I think. The SB will be interesting this year.
What both teams did in one game I think, almost looked more like a highlight reel for an entire season.
Or just remind them of this year, and that will make them not motivated anymore.
I think the Pats are done, they have gotten a lil too comfortable in their job positions.
Still, as has been said, it was a great game and Aaron Rodgers has cemented himself in Packer lore with his performance. He's well on his way to match or surpass the legendary Favre.
EDIT: Here's a blog with the pics.
At least the refs made the calls for "horse-collaring".
I'm not 100% sure, but I thought the play happened where the tackle and ball came out before the facemask was grabbed. To me, it just looked like the facemask occurred after the play (the ball coming out) and didn't effect the outcome (the fumble). But I have not watched extensive replays and don't know what the rule would be. I wonder if it wasn't in OT, if it would've been a TD but with a penalty tacked on the kickoff.
And I normally am all about hating the NFL refs!
I guess they lost in part because of two major missed calls. On one incompletion, Rodgers was hit with a helmet to helmet that went ignored.
IIRC in OT he had thrown the ball and the packers had gotten enough for the first down. They were however called for holding and so it made things something like 2nd and 20. Now the thing that wasn't called on that play that he was knocked to his ass hard with helmet to helmet contact. When the play was shown over again I couldn't really see the holding but I could really see Rodgers flying through the air after being hit in the head with a helmet. That play should have ended with something like a 1st and 10 with an extra 10 to 15 yards added onto that putting them at about the 50 yrd line instead of back 10 yards.
Truth be told, there is holding on about every play in the NFL. It's just up to the reffs to decide if it played a major role in the play and if they just wish to call it. I think it's lame to call a not so obvious holding while not calling a, what looked like, blatant helmet to helmet contact on the quarter back. I forget what that's called but yeah. a bit messed up.
And about that facemasking. When I was watching the game. To me in the OT period it looked as if the ball was clearly out before the dudes hand was anywhere near Rodgers' face or chest. Rodgers was clearly 100% down field and not paying attention to anything around him. The guy came in and hit Rodgers. To me he didn't even seem to notice that he was hit until he was in the air and the ball was gone. Was the face maskin' and stuff a big part of the play and should it have been called? I don't know. But what I do know is that if you're not going to pay attention to the game around you then you deserve to be floored. I wanted Greenbay to win but man do I think he deserved that game loosing hit because he just seemed so unaware that he was getting clobbered.
Oh, and I'm hoping the saints lose.
I don't care what happens on the other side of the thing but the chargers seem to always choke in the playoffs so my guess is the jets will win the chargers. Colts have kicked butt during the season so they will likely beat the ravens. So I guess colts vs jets and well the jets kinda suck but can play well from time to time.
So I guess I'm seeing colts vs vikings for the big game. Or at least I'm wanting someone vs vikings for the big game.
Also, the Ravens actually played the Colts tough this year. The score was 15-17 and the Ravens threw an INT in field goal range in the last 2 minutes. So the Ravens are dangerous. I still would favor the Colts (mainly because they always beat the Ravens), but the layoff is a concern.
I want the Cardinals to humilate the Saints, but I imagine it'll be shoot out. I'll still go with the Cards just out of sheer hatred for the Saints.
And even though I think Dallas is the best team in the NFC, the Vikings match up really well against them. The Vikings can really slow down the Dallas run game which is their strength. I think it'll be a good game, a close one. I'll just go with Dallas in a toss up.
Losing to the Lions.
Losing to the Lions.
That wouldn't just be more humiliating, it would be absolutely pitiful... a high school team could beat Detroit.
I think the Saints have gotten enough humiliation this year. They lost to Tampa. What would be worse than that.
Losing to the Lions.
Technically, losing to the Rams is the worst you can do.
But if they go deep into the playoffs and somehow in the Superbowl, no one is going to care. So its just best for them to be one and done, which is highly embarassing for a #1 seed.
Also, another reason that I hate the Saints. When they won the #1 seed, their idiot fans were celebrating like they were in the Superbowl (I think they were saying how some were already setting up a trip to the Superbowl).
Seriously.
I think it would be neat. (Saints going to the Superbowl)But I would rather see Favre go against the Colts. It would be a better game in my opinion.
Especially if the Saints return back to their early season form. If they do, then they'll just slaughter whoever they are playing against which won't make for a fun game.
I pick the Colts, Chargers, Saints and Vikings. Yeah, I'm gonna be wrong on at least one - maybe two. ;) I'm not pickin' them cuz they're the higher seed, I honestly think they're gonna win. I kinda want the Colts to lose (ok, I really want them to lose with the crap they pulled this year) but it's hard for a Browns fan to ever root for the Ravens - so I can't. Sad thing is, the Ravens have a good shot.
I think the Lions are a better team. Not did they get more wins, but they're in a better division. On top of that, they at least have lots of young players. They had a rookie QB and about 11 picks in last year's draft. So they're definately moving in the right direction. Their offense looks like it was getting better so there's at least some hope.
What do the Rams have besides Steven Jackson?
What do the Rams have besides Steven Jackson?
Is he their running back? I'm asking cuz as far as I know that's all they have. You stop the run and you've stopped their entire offense.
Is he their running back? I'm asking cuz as far as I know that's all they have. You stop the run and you've stopped their entire offense.
Yes.
And I think they might have a decent young WR, but their QB situation is too bad to really tell.
So I dunno.
The Damned Rams... I really honestly can't think of a single player on the team that stands out.
The Rams are nowhere near their Championship teams of the early 2000. the first big mistake was getting rid of Warner who was forced out because he tried to force his Christian Ideals down the throats of his teammates. It was a big deal in St. Louis. Pretty much, Marshal Faulk retired and some of the younger players didn't like listening to Warner's prayers before the game and little ones in the huddle. Seriously, he prayed in the huddle.
Comments on Cardinals/Vikings:
I'm kinda torn about the upcoming game with the Saints. The Vikings have played the Cardinals this year and got their **** handed to them so that scares me a little. On the other hand, it was a road game for the Vikings and they play like a different team when they are home and seem to somehow win even the close games in Minnesota.
If the Saints win then the Vikings play them in New Orleans and like I said, the Vikings are a different team when they are on the road. So basically I'm hoping the Saints lose but I'm not sure if the Vikings will be able to win against the Cardinals after the ass whoopin' they got earlier this season but their best shot is that it is in Minnesota.
I want the Cards to beat the Saints I think. Just so that the Vikings get another shot at the birds.
Still, I think the Cowboys/Vikings is going to be close with both teams having blowout wins on their last win.
Cardinals finaly lost. They finally found a team outside their division they can lose to and be losing like 10-30 at half or some crap like that. yep, they really bent over it took it. Colts won.
Now for sunday. I want to see the cowboys lose to the vikings and jets lose to the chargers. Well for the second onw I really don't care. Actually chargers are a Cali team that is not the niners so i'm going to root charger loss. Lets go jets!
Well your Jets heard your call and pulled out a three point victory over the Californian, non-niners team. Will they be so inspired with there wins that they smite the Colts, or will Indy put them in their place?
Glad that the Vikings whooped the hell out of those cowboys. Made that Dallas team look like a bunch of clowns...
Neither team frankly deserved to be in the playoffs. Their Ds sucked, their Os sucked and the game as a result sucked.
So we know who the AFC side of the Superbowl is going to be.
Colts. I'm sorry, but the Jets aren't competent or capable especially offensively. Defensively they aren't much better considering they almost lost to a California team.
The Favre and his men in my opinion whipped the Cowgirls harder than the Saints did the Birdies. (The birdies are a crappy team and they managed to score Touchdowns)
I'm leaning on the Vikings for the NFC championship game. The Saints are good. Damned good. But I like Favre more than I like the Saints. And two I was more impressed with their last two games than the Saints last pair.
So my prediction?
Vikings, vs Colts for the SB.
The Vikes are good, but Dallas was able to move the ball when they were still close enough to run. They killed themselves with stupid mistakes. New Orleans won't run like Dallas did, but they can throw it. As long as Jared Allen is a nonfactor, the Saints should be able to pull it off. Use the pass to set up the run and this game will be over. If, however, the Purple can get into Drew's backfield (and head), they'll win.
Should be some fun games next week. Hopefully the blowouts are over. ;)
It was also more than just Jared Allen that was having his way with Romo as well. Can't forget what is his name, Edwards? Yeah.
The Saints imo are pretty much dependent on Drew Brees to get to the SB. It is basically all going to come down to how well the Vikings handle Brees.
The Saints don't have the Run Power imo to really do much at this stage in the game. (Of course I don't think the Run, is good for anything but eating the clock in the NFL anyway. Field's too small. But that's a tangent)
The Vikings won the game in all facets. 34-3 just tells that the Defense did everything right. Though they did let the Cowboys' offense move down the field when it came time to make a play they made it.
Of course the Vikings offense then took over and the final score just goes to show that.
That being said, I do have concerns about next weeks game. Like I said in an earlier post, the Vikings are a different team when they are on the road. If the same Vikings that beat the Cowboys show up next week then I'll say the game is in the bag but I just don't expect it. When the Vikings lost to the Bears in Chicago that shook my confidence in this team on the road.
All I can say is....GO VIKINGS!!!
4 ScryioAnyway, this was a horrible weekend of football. 3 out of the 4 teams that I wanted to win lost. On top of that, the games were pretty horrible.
The only close game was ruined by some awful field goal kicking. What's wrong with place kickers?
The Saints have a competent running game. Piere Thomas is pretty good and I think they were actually fairly balanced when they were winning at the non-end of the season.
Also, if you think a rushing game is only good for killing the clock, you must have missed the Ravens v Patriots game and the Jets v Chargers game. Those games were primarily won because of a strong running game. The Ray Rice run in the first play and then the constant 5-8 yards blugeoning killed the Patriots. In the Chargers game, the Shonn Greene TD was one of the biggest plays of the game.
I guess I'll just root for Mr Manning now. I hate the Saints as stated before. I think Favre was a complete scumbag (pretending to retire so you can skip out on the Jets) so I can't root for the Vikings. I think Jets fans are pretty annoying (even though I should theoretically like the team) so I can't root for them.
So hopefully Peyton Manning wins another Superbowl so people will stop saying that him and Brady are equivalent.
Now lets get it done Vikings!
What the? Why is Favre listening to the announcer?!
Why aren't they throwing on third down within field goal range...to win...in the fourth quarter?
Why all the flags against defense?
Can't say I understand what's at work in the playoff, the Super Bowl will be in Minnesota's field next year for college?? Hope so. They deserve a break, man...
...that was an awful game. Now I feel bad, like it'll stain the game.
God I hope this isn't Favre's last game. That man has proven that he's made of Iron, he took hits that would have left virtually any other QB that's Ever played this game ruined for the rest of the game. Multiple times. Hell he took hits that most receivers would never want landing on them tonight.
I say keep him Minnesota he's not done yet.
one of my friends made a joke about the Saints this year, Jesus is sitting up in heaven watching the game. The Saints look like they are about to lose and then Jesus says "Hey Dad, your team is losing again!" And god throws down a miracle for the Saints. Tonight gave plenty of evidence for that didn't it.
It's either that or a voodoo curse was thrown on the Vikings.
Good job Saints.
Now the tough one. Who will win the SB. Both of which are teams this year that when it comes down to the wire, win their games. Personally I think the Colts are a little better as a team, but the Saints man, they got some voodoo workin down in Nawlens
If the Vikings hadn't coughed up the ball so many times, they would have been leading by at least two touchdowns and the last drive wouldn't have mattered. I know people say that AP is the best running back in the league and I realize that he had three touchdowns but his fumble (which they gave to Favre, rediculous) down inside the five yard line at the end of the first half is what cost them the game.
I say, bench the jerk until he proves he can hang on to the football.
Oh, and Troy Aikman at the end of the game pondered aloud "Why didn't Favre run it?"
Let me answer that for you, Mr. Aikman: Because Favre had been beat up the entire game. He had a bum ankle so he wasn't going to beat anyone to the sideline and didn't want to risk getting seriously injured because the Aints are a team that don't see themselves winning a big game unless they injure the quarterback. First it was the "clean" but brutal hit on Werner last week and then it was two roughing the passer penalties tonight.
I was prepared to root for the Saints if they beat the Vikings tonight but now all I want is for Brees to have his legs broken. Not just broken, but shattered, career ending injuries. Maybe even amputation in order to save his life.
Screw you Saints!!!
I feel the same way about the Saints. I want them broken and beaten now for all of the brutality they did to Favre. The only upside to it, is they proved that Favre isn't fragile in his old age. He's one tough bad ass mother trucker. I could just see the thought bubbles over the Saint's heads after he got up no problem hit after hit after hit. "WHY WILL HE NOT GO DOWN!!! " and then followed by "**** HE CAN STILL THROW LIKE THAT?"
The game wasn't Favres fault it was virtually everyone else, seriously they ran which was stupid anyway, and when they did run they dropped the damn ball literally. Especially Peterson. Peterson needs to learn how to hang onto a damn ball. Honestly the Browns fumble less, than Peterson alone did last night.
Everyone but favre had trouble hanging onto the ball. And expecting Favre to run on a bum ankle? Idiotic. Troy Aikman is a know nothing mouthpeice.
Anyhoo, the Vikings got jobbed. That pass interference call in OT was awful. The ball was uncatchable and the guy barely touched the Saints player. Then there was the bad spot on that 4th down conversion. Dood made it past the marker, but he lost control while still not down. He regained control, but by that point he was a yard short. BS calls. But whatever.
Now I have to root for the Saints. Why? Cuz I can't stand watching the Colts. Manning is one of the best ever, but he annoys the crap out of me. The Colts are just not a fun team to watch, IMO, and the Saints are. But the Saints have that cheater Reggie Bush playin' for them and that sucks. He's no Ray Lewis (stabbity), but he annoys me cuz of all that USC nonsense. Oh well. I think the Colts have a better D than the Saints do. That means Colts win. Lame. I'll be pullin' for the Saints simply because the ain't the Colts, but I just don't see it. However, that means that the Saints will probably win cuz I've been terribly wrong all year. ;)
But honestly, I think Favre got what he deserved. He basically pretended to retire, making the Jets draft a franchise quarterback (costing lots of money), so they would have to release him when he "changed his mind" (even though he had off season surgery). I think that's an extremely scumbag move on his part to get to the Vikings which was the team he wanted to play for ever since Greenbay decided they were moving on.
So even though I wanted the Vikings to win, I'm happy that Favre's plan did not work out. Especially because of the incompetance that caused the Vikings to lose at the end of the game. They were in the fringe of field goal territory until a 12 men in the huddle penalty then Favre does what he does and throws a game losing INT.
And of course, the Saints suck so much that they recieved five turnovers and still needed overtime to win. I think they said that AP fumbled 6 times and only lost 3 of them. Only lost 3 fumbles?!?! Dude, the Vikings need some ball security if their RB fumbles all the time and their QB loves to throw INTs (I know Favre had a good year, but his last 3 playoff exits were because of late INTs).
And of course, NFL overtime sucks.
Now I hope that the Saints get embarassed in the Superbowl. Not only will it be good for the Saints to get slaughtered, but it'll pretty much stop all the arguments about Tom Brady being better than Peyton Manning.
And that great Jets defense? Yeah, it was pretty great until about 2 minute left in the first half. Then Peyton adjusted and had his way with them.
And I don't think Troy Aikman is so bad. For a color/analyst dude, he's actually pretty good. Now Joe Buck, that's some bad announcing.
NFL overtime is a travesty. It should be a full quarter, and whoever wins, wins.
The biggest problem with the Vikings losing is that we'll likely have another Summer of Favre. my bet is he makes some sort of announcement Superbowl week. If he'd have just won the damn thing, he'd probably have quit. Finally.
Though if I were him, if I did get re signed with the Vikes, i'd see about getting rid of the fragile minded Peterson. You shouldn't have to play consellor every five minutes for one guy that can't keep his hands on a damn ball.
But do you think players should pretend to retire to just get out of contracts? Even if you think he truthfully was going back and forth on his retirement, the way he went about it was horrible. It sets a really awful predicent if any player can "retire" and then come back (not even missing any time!) for another team.
And I definately agree that NFL overtime needs to be fixed. It seems like more people are on the idea of playing an additional quarter. That would be the best, in my opinion.
And even if Favre won the Superbowl, I'm sure it'll be the same waiting game. (I never really was so hard on him for that until recently.)
Though if I were him, if I did get re signed with the Vikes, i'd see about getting rid of the fragile minded Peterson. You shouldn't have to play consellor every five minutes for one guy that can't keep his hands on a damn ball.
There's no way Favre has the power to get rid of AP (unless the Vikings are the dumbest organization in all of everything). You won't give up arguable the best running back in the league who is also young for a player who can retire or suck at any given time.
I'm not the biggest AP fan, but he's a beast and I'm pretty sure most teams in the NFL would be inquiring if the Vikings wanted to get rid of him.
Mark Martin did alot of the same things that Favre did, he bounced back and forth with the idea of retiring for years then he announced he was leaving the team he was on saying it was his last year, then he got signed on for another team (and had the best season of his career)
so you can say I'm pretty much used to that happening already.
I think Favre wants to play for as long as he's good. Or until he gets himself a SB ring.
I don't think he's done punishing Greenbay yet either. I'd be kinda ticked if I were him at Greenbay. Ticked enough to take the field for a team that's going to play against them year after year until the message was driven home that their replacement for me is not that good (Rodgers), and that it was the single dumbest decision your franchise ever made for wanting to "move on".
And I was unaware about the previous players who did it. But it doesn't make it less scummy. Honestly, there should be rules against it. You signed the contract so you should have to live with it.
Edit: What did Greenbay do to him? They allowed him to have his retirement/no retirement act go on for years. The only time he stopped it was when he said that he was retiring. So they moved on. Then he decides that he wants back, so do you think they should just undo everything they did? If he didn't say he was going to retire, I'd think that Greenbay would have given him time to decide.
Plus Aaron Rodgers is really good. He's definately one of the best young QBs in the game. Look at his stats, he's pretty great if he's not being sacked. They have a quarterback that they can count on for the next 5-10 years. That's much better than even a hall of fame player for 1 or 2 years. Greenbay definately made the correct decision in my opinion.
I don't think it was scummy because frankly the Jets, like I said were better off for it. Next year the Jets are going to be nasty as all get out I think. I look at it, as a mutual parting more than him ditching them.
If Favre wants to play next year, he'll be wearing Purple and the Vikings will love it. Every second of it. He was amazing this year. Even if he dips a little, they would still have an excellent shot of making it to the SB. And it's not like the Vikings have an Aaron Rodgers ridin' the pine and waiting for a chance, either. Favre is their best option. They know it, he knows it. If he wants it next year, he will have it. No doubt.
I also believe the Jets are going to be good and did wind up in a better situation.
But that doesn't take away from what he did to them. They traded good stuff for him and got nothing in return. Yes, the Jets made some good decisions and have a good team now, but what he did was still scummy (in my opinion). Retiring, then unretiring, and forcing a team to release you (I think they had to release him or Sanchez because of cap reasons) is not a good (or professional) way to do things.
(And I edited my last post with what I think about the Greenbay/A-rod v Favre thing.)
Which was a smart move. I think the Favre has about 3-4 more seasons in him. How many more of those will be the caliber he's played with this year? That's hard to say in my opinion. But if Favre comes back I hope the Vikings take him.
I think what really pisses me off about Greenbay are it's god forsaken fans.
You don't boo a man that's served you for almost 20 years and gave you tons of wins, while sticking with you even in the bad years.
Favre needs to go. He leads the NFL in interceptions. Just go. you suck. you're also old. and your daughter is hot.
It sucks the saints are going to the SB. The only good thing that can and will come if the saints win will be that the saints fans will more than likely burn New Orleans down.
Over the course of his career yes. But I believe he also leads in all time completions.
over the season, or hell the season before? No.
I think the man you are looking for would be Jake Delhomme there. (For most Ints, and probably sacks and fumbles too)
Tell you what, you can hate Favre all you want, but over here in Carolina we'd be over joyed if he came down to Cat Country. There's far far worse QBs out there, and some of them have even gone to SBs and won them (Looking at you Tom Brady
And yes his daughter is hawt stuff. I'd bang his wife too, other than he'd probably kill me lol.
Favre sucks? He was considered for the MVP. That's the opposite of suck.
Being considered for the MVP doesn't mean that you're good. It just means that everyone sucked harder than you. And what would he be getting MVP for? Throwing the most interceptions? Yeah that's a great record to have under your belt.
On the one hand, it sucks for Favre since he basically was the primary reason their entire franchise was good for the 90-00s. He was the face of the franchise and won them a Superbowl.
But on the other hand, they did everything reasonable to wait for him. And he did throw bad INTs in their last three playoff losses. And he didn't just want to go to any team, but their bitter rivals which would beat them twice a year.
So I don't know who's side I'm on. Although most Greenbay fans I know still like Favre and rooted for him while he was on the Jets (and even on the Vikings at times).
dirtyfrank: To have the record for most INTs, you have to do something right or else they wouldn't keep putting you out there. Most crappy players don't have any accumulation records because they leave the league in a year or two.
I think it was crass of greenbay fans to do what they did that game. It's why I will never root for the cheddarheads again actually. That and Aaron Rodgers has the eyes of a dead fish.
dirtyfrank: To have the record for most INTs, you have to do something right or else they wouldn't keep putting you out there. Most crappy players don't have any accumulation records because they leave the league in a year or two.
He doesn't have to be doing anything right at all. All he needs to be doing in now screwing up all the time. If you look at any record with passing involved then Favre is likely on it or holds it no matter if the record is good or bad. All that means is that the offense he's been on has been, for the most part, a pure passing offense. Think of it as him playing every hand when playing poker. Doing so you'll likely gain the most money overall throughout the night but you'll also be the one that loses most of the money. GB always seemed like they were 90% passing and with an offense like that, doesn't matter how great your QB is, after about 18 seasons (of which is about the amount of seasons favre has played or something) you'll probably be able to get onto the record lists. It's not a matter of being good. it's matter of passing everything. For every interceptions that causes a loss he likely has a pass, though a dumb risky decision, ends up being caught and looks like a great victory pass.
But he's been sucessful. Not only does he hold the record for the most wins, but his team was constantly in the playoffs, went to two Superbowls, and won one. So it wasn't just passing for the sake of passing with positive and negative results until you compile records. His play was good. His team was good.
And I do not agree with the poker analogy since poker is governed by chance much more. Throwing every down (which is bad strategy) does not cause chance to overide in like playing every hand.
Also, he's had teams with very good running games.
Edit: Also if you look at his composite stats like TD/INT ratio, passer rating, competion percentage, etc, they're not bad.
Being considered for the MVP doesn't mean that you're good. It just means that everyone sucked harder than you. And what would he be getting MVP for? Throwing the most interceptions? Yeah that's a great record to have under your belt.
Actually, it does. The 'V' stands for 'vaulable'. That's a good thing. If that's not good enough, then try this: On the strength of his arm, he led his team to the Conference Championship game. Three of 32 teams can say that. Three. The Jets can't cuz they made it cuz of their D and running game. Three out of 32 teams can say that and Favre led one. Two other teams in the league can say what the Vikings can. That puts you in good company, IMO.
as for his passing. a pass can easily be 5 yo 10 yrds. even a 5 yrd pass can easily be run for 5 yrds for a touchdown. now lets say that half of the passes are incomplete and the team is to pass almost all the time. it is still possible for them to get first downs and move the ball down that field. with a favre like offense you can be 3rd and 10 and still first down on a 3rd down conversion on a regular basis. He can be blowing 2/3rds of his passes on a drive and well 1/3 complete passes would be enough to get down the field on a regular basis to get points on the boards. The thing is in football when you screw up a pass you don't lose yards as you lose money in poker. you just stay where you're at. and well when you gain you can easily gain a lot. especially with the off styles that favre tends to be a part of.
As for Farve being overrated, maybe he is, but the man is probably the most determined player of the game. There is a reason he has played in the most games consecutively.
I do think he is overrated and over the hill. But with that said, he is still an excellent quarterback (career) and had an excellent season.
Compare his career stats with other great quarterbacks: John Elway, Joe Montana, Dan Marino
Favre's career QB rating: 86.6; Elway's: 79.9; Montana: 92.3; Marino: 86.4
Completion Percentage - Favre:62.0; Elway: 56.9; Montana: 63.2; Marino: 59.4
Attempts/Game - Favre: 33.9; Elway: 31.0; Montana: 28.1; Marino: 34.5
Yards/Pass - Favre: 7.1; Elway: 7.1; Montana: 7.5; Marino: 7.3
Yards/Game - Favre: 239.0; Elway: 220.0; Montana: 211.2; Marino: 253.6
TD/INTs - Favre: 497/317 (1.5678); Elway: 300/226 (1.3274); Montana: 273/139 (1.9640); Marino: 420/252 (1.6667)
So compared to some all time greats, his stats (note: all the stats I picked where percentages or per game, etc) are pretty good. Montana is a machine (and the man), but his stats stack up favorably against Marino and Elway.
If favre was good then the vikings should have gone to the SB. He did what? Did as well as an unimportant QB for the vikings did just a year before? Is that an accomplishment? I don't see it as one. he ain't that great or at least not as great as many might make him out to be.
What? So there are only two good QBs in the league? Manning and Brees are the only two good QBs in the NFL. And, next year, if they don't make it back, they aren't good? So I guess Kurt Warner and Big Ben are mediocre. And when Elway didn't make it, he sucked, too. Look at the numbers Scypio posted. Favre is good. The end. Again, hate the player, not his game. You're arguing against numbers, man. That won't do. Unless Dan Marino sucked, of course. He never won the SB.
And they lost primarily because of 3 fumbles and yes, two interceptions. He was a big part of why they lost to the Saints yesterday. But you cannot dimish his career achievements because of one game.
Going to (or winning) the Superbowl is not the way to judge of how good a quarterback someone is.
The Saints need to fix their D before Miami, that's for sure. They gave up 475 yards or some crap. Indy will eat them alive if they can't do better than that. And Peyton Manning makes less mistakes than Favre. And I'm pretty sure all of 'em hold onto the damn ball better than AD and Harvin.
AD is fantastic. He needs to learn to keep the handle, but that can be taught. Just give him some time, make him carry a ball everywhere all offseason and do all the control drills and he'll be fine. He's too damned good to cast off just yet. Give him a year, maybe two and this'll be fixed up.
@ ZB: Yeah, I gotta think Manning and the Colts are going to beat the Saints unless the refs do the Colts like they did the Vikings.
Roger Goodell needs to serious address real problems like their awful officiating instead of grand standing with his player's discipline. I'm sure if you surveyed most fans, people care much more about getting the calls right than someone's off field antics.
But with said, I didn't see any horrible calls, but I also didn't watch the game too closely. I'm sure they were there because they're always bad calls.
I still think the NFL officials are better than the NCAA fooball ones. There were a crapton of controversial calls this year and I've watched games that refs literally botched badly enough to steal a win or guarantee a victory. They particularly like to miss holding calls. Blatant ones, too. Like dood pulls other guy down after he gets past him kind of stuff (see Illinois at Ohio State a couple years ago). This year, Penn State won their bowl game because of a personal foul called on a LSU lineman who pulled a Penn State player off of the football as he was trying to get the team to the line. You, obviously, can't do that and the call was right. The problem, however, was that the Penn State guy should have been called for a defensive delay of game or, at the very least, the ref should have done his job and got the kid off the football. Laying on the ball to kill the clock is BS and the refs let it go. As a result, LSU was knocked out of field goal range and the clock expired on their last play. That's bad, bad officiating.
EDIT: Realized I felt like adding that the Penn State player was laying on the ball so long, the guy that pulled him off was the Center - who was alrady lined up and in his stance. There were other LSU lineman also already in place. How they let that go is beyond me.
What? So there are only two good QBs in the league? Manning and Brees are the only two good QBs in the NFL. And, next year, if they don't make it back, they aren't good? So I guess Kurt Warner and Big Ben are mediocre. And when Elway didn't make it, he sucked, too. Look at the numbers Scypio posted. Favre is good. The end. Again, hate the player, not his game. You're arguing against numbers, man. That won't do. Unless Dan Marino sucked, of course. He never won the SB.
Not what I'm saying. If they are good then they can get to, and likely, win the SB multiple times. And warner is just mediocre. I did see what he posted. Sure favre has some good positive records but they're are evenly matched by holding many negative recrods as well. In all it just evens out to he passes a lot so of course after enough seasons he'd get into the record books.
And they lost primarily because of 3 fumbles and yes, two interceptions. He was a big part of why they lost to the Saints yesterday. But you cannot dimish his career achievements because of one game.
Going to (or winning) the Superbowl is not the way to judge of how good a quarterback someone is.
Yes he was a big reason why they lost. One fumble was caused by a bad hand off, although partly the RB's fault there and two interceptions. 3 turn overs that were Favre's fault. Of course interceptions are something that Favre knows about. He has a healthy lead with that record. If we are going to point out some of his good records we might as well point them all out.
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He leads in most of the records regarding passing. one of huge note would be total passing attempts. He's a full 1 thousand attempts more than the person in number 2 place with nearly the same amount of games played. All that says is that favre does nothing more than throw throw throw the ball. If your game in nothing but passing you, over enough time, will lead in all things passing. Eventually you'll have most attempts, most receptions, most yards, most incompletions, most interceptions and everything else. Those records are nothing of note. All they say is that he's had a long career in an offensive style that is almost pure passing.
And yes SB victories and appearances is one of the things that defines greatness in both a team and its members. 5 turnovers in the NFC championship which leads to a loss does not equal Favre greatness. A record of mediocrity does not equal Favre greatness.
Those records are nothing of note. All they say is that he's had a long career in an offensive style that is almost pure passing.
Wrong. They say he successfully passed the ball. A lot. His list of accolades and positive records outweigh the negatives. And, he was a winner. Look at the record. He won more games than he lost. If you think it's just a matter of numbers, how many passes do you think you'd complete given the same amount of attempts? If that seems unfair, pick a QB and ask the same question. Outside of the very best to ever play the game, there are none. It's not just cuz he tossed the ball X amount of times. He tossed it well.
And yes SB victories and appearances is one of the things that defines greatness in both a team and its members. 5 turnovers in the NFC championship which leads to a loss does not equal Favre greatness. A record of mediocrity does not equal Favre greatness.
Well, Favre appeared in the SB twice and won it once. Name more than 2 current QBs that have done that. Seems like by your own judgement Favre is near the head of the class. This was one game. And he only had two turnovers. They erroneously gave him a third even though it was AD that dropped the handoff. That's not 5. One game does not a mediocre career make. I don't even know why I'm wasting my time. It's blatantly obvious that you're about as wrong as anyone has been about anything ever. A record class type of wrong, actually. When Favre gets into Canton on the first ballot - which he will, you'll have even more evidence showing how wrong you are to ignore.
I would say that Favre is one of the best around current but being the cream of the current crop doesn't mean that he's good. It just means that most others are worse than he is.
Favre being the cream of the crop now, means guess what. Yep he's one of the best of all time.
You do realise players now are better than they have ever been right?
And what proof do you have for this statement?
Period.
The undefeated dolphins if they played now would be maimed horribly by the Lions OR the Tampa Bay Bucs.
To say nothing of what a good modern team would do to them. Which would probably be along the lines of leaving most of the undefeated dolphins crippled for life.
Here are some easy answeres to some of these.
Faster, bigger stronger
Different training programs and regiments as well as using legal and illegal steroids. Also yes a few modern players are faster but where is the data saying they're all faster on average? As for bigger yes the lines are bigger than before but not much anything else. but of course they have to be bigger since crab blocking was banned because nobody could get past the extremely small niners linemen when they crab blocked. As for stronger they use steroids and vitamin supplements.
have a longer season
has nothing to do with skill level.
smarter
Nope. QBs back in the day had to memorize plays. most now days have their plays on their arm. They also have more ways of having the coaching staff tell players the plays. back in the day it had to all be memorized with no cheat sheets
and tougher athletes.
If by tougher you mean less injuries then no. the game is safer now for many rules have been put in place to protect players and to keep injuries from happening in the first place. Now if you're thinking other kind of tough then maybe you should look into people like ronnie lott. What happened was that he had a messed up finger. so at the end of the 85 season he had his finger cut off so that he could play. How many do you hear of that go and cut off fingers so they can keep playing? Or we could look at the joe theismann injury. this happened in 85. it broke enough that his leg was clearly bent into two where it shouldn't. Yeah they were so not physical or tough back then. Ya know now days we don't seem to hear about things like this. For some reason a lot of the major sports injuries seem to be back in the day of the weakling athletes. hmmm. I wonder why.
The undefeated dolphins if they played now would be maimed horribly by the Lions OR the Tampa Bay Bucs.
The dolphins suck. the 49ers from the 80's would likely be able to beat the snot out of any team around now days if the game were to be played with rules from the 80's. This means they could crab block all they want. The result is that no matter how much bigger you are you're not getting by. Now if they can't then sure they would lose. why? Because rules were made to ban much of what the 49ers offense was doing in the 80s because well nobody could hardly stand a chance. I'm sure a similar thing with the undefeated dolphins. If they were played with rules they played the game by they'd likely win. But if forced to play by modern rules then likely their whole offense, as well as defense, strategies would be void.
A some up for half of your opinion points though is modern medicine. An ACL tear, for instance, in the 70s or 80s had no way of being fixed an there was little means of being able to get that player to be able to play 100% after the injury. Now days after tearing an ACL not only can a player be playing at full with a modern brace but they can have surgery and be ready to play in about a month because of modern medicine. Most of the injuries that would have been career ending 30 years ago only delays a modern career by a few months at most. Modern medicine is a huge factor. one that you seem to disregard. it plays a huge role in player longevity as well as their overall performance. without much of this the modern player would have little of many of those advantages that you boast up above. That is if we are to assume that those advantages that subscribe to are true.
On top of that, you claim that winning is important and Favre's winning percentage as a starter is very good. Additionally, you state that winning a Superbowl is important and he also did that.
Yes, Favre was a major reason for their loss. But one game does not determine (or should not determine) how great of a player you are. Peyton Manning has lost playoff games (throwing multiple INTs), does that mean he's not a great quarterback?
Its silly to throw out the vast majority of a career (the regular season) and judge someone on how they play in a few games. (And even if you do that, Favre won a Superbowl!)
Marino is overated. if he was as good as everyone thinks then he would have been able to win the superbowl or at least get enough repeat appearances to win it once. And yeah I do think the SB is important. And yeah it doesn't make a career but it caps it off. Favre has a SB victory of which says he's good but that does not say he's great like everyone says. If he was great then he should have no problem taking the great vikings, who had a crappier QB last year, much further than they got last year. He really didn't. If he stays around next year and performs the same or worse then it just comfirms what I think. that he's not as great as y'all think. If he is then he should have no problem taking an extremely strong and well established offense to the SB. Winning it a second time, and with a different team, will mean that he's great. but until then I don't see what's so great about him. he throws the ball a lot so of course he's going to have 100% of the stats he has.
I'm sorry but when your teammates are dropping the ball that often it doesn't matter how great the QB is.
And the Vikings dropped the ball more often which directly lead to the Saints scoring in that game (without Favre) than a man with diarrhea drops his drawers to unload.
Favre wasn't the real problem with the Vikings in that game.
If you don't think Peyton Manning is a great quarterback, then who do you actually think is great? Since you also apparently don't think Marino is a great quarterback. Oh, and if Peyton wins a second Superbowl does he get that much better after one game?
Also, again, there is a huge difference between losing at home in the Wildcard round and losing on the road in the Championship round. Its a two round difference, like you know... losing in the Championship round and winning the Superbowl.
If you are going by Superbowls, then I guess you have Bradshaw, Aikman, Montana, right?
Oh, what about Tom Brady? He won 3 Superbowls, but he failed his team horribly this year. Does that make him good or overated in your opinion?
So who do you think is a good quarterback for comparison?
A great QB is Joe Montana. Great stats as well as having 4 SB appearances along with winning the SB with each appearance.
Tom Brady? He's probably better than Favre. He shows that he can keep kicking as year after year. Also when the Pats were found cheating he lead his team to an undefeated season and made it to the SB. they lost but they got there undefeated and played a great game. Also he has set a record for # of touchdown passes in a single regular season. It doesn't matter he didn't do great this year. he's the head of the Patriots dynasty.
A great QB is Joe Montana. Great stats as well as having 4 SB appearances along with winning the SB with each appearance.
Joe Montana is the man. I'm fine with him being known as one of the greatest ever. Who else? Would you put Aikman or Bradshaw or is "great" only confined to the top (in your opinion)?
Tom Brady? He's probably better than Favre. He shows that he can keep kicking as year after year. Also when the Pats were found cheating he lead his team to an undefeated season and made it to the SB. they lost but they got there undefeated and played a great game. Also he has set a record for # of touchdown passes in a single regular season. It doesn't matter he didn't do great this year. he's the head of the Patriots dynasty.
But it is a detraction that Favre couldn't bring a playoff team (which had no quarterback) to the Superbowl, why is Brady's inability to bring a 10-6 Patriots team to a better record or sucess in the playoffs not a detraction? You would think if you take a 10-6 team and upgrade to an elite quarterback, they should at least win a game in the playoffs. And Tom Brady stunk worse in his playoff exit than Favre did in his.
And I'm assuming you believe the Patriots had a dynasty based upon winning 3 Superbowls and not regular season achievements. Do you believe you need 3? Roethlisberger has 2 and Manning most likely will have a second.
You also stated that Kurt Warner is not that good. He has been to 3(?) Superbowls. He won one. If he won 2 does that make him better? If his defense stops the Steelers, does that make him a better quarterback?
Those are only some of the problems I have with judging quarterbacks by Superbowl wins. If Vinatari misses a critical field goal, does that make Tom Brady worse? Quarterback are extremely important, but there's a whole team that affects the outcome of games.
(And for the record, I think all quarterbacks mentioned except Big Ben are great quarterbacks.)
Similar goes for Terry Bradshaw. Got 4 superbowl victories while leading a power house steelers.
See this is part of what I see as making a great QB, as well as team. Being able to get there time and time again year after year. Not only being able to continuously get to the SB but continually being able to win it repeated times. It's partly about consistency.
And no with Brady. He has consistency for several years. when they were caught cheating he showed everyone that they can get to the SB undefeated. Favre can't compare to that with both his ol' packers or the vikings.
The QB is more than just the guy that tosses the ball. they're the team leader. If you can't continuously lead your team to victory then you ain't that great and there ain't no victory that means more than the SB.
And a kicking that needs to make a critical game breaking field goal is put in that position by the QB, and the rest of the offense, screwing up enough to not being able to get the ball into the inzone. or better yet not scoring enough during the entirety of the rest of the whole game. Yes it is the kicker's fault for missing but it's partly the QB's fault for the kicker having to make the kick in the first place. The QB's ability to manage the offense directly relates to whether or not the kick needs to be made and as to how long that kick will be.
On top of that, there is the whole defensive part of the game. Kurt Warner loses one Superbowl because his defense failed him. He also won his Superbowl because his defense stopped the opponents on the 1 yard line. He personally did not affect those plays, but in both cases he left the field with a sucessful drive and the lead.
I agree that winning constantly is the sign of greatness but I do not agree that it is a necessary condition for greatness. The playoffs are too small of a sample set to judge the greatness of a quarterback or team.
Now, Farve on the other hand, had some mediocre teams in Greenbay and still wound up in the Playoffs pretty consistently and even won a Superbowl with one. I imagine that if any GOOD quarterback had the team behind him that Montana had when he was in San Fran they might have gone to the Superbowl on numerous occasions also and probably won them.
Yep, I think Favre is pretty damn awesome when he can put a team on his back and carry them year after year. Montana never had to do that.
Are you going to say that Marvin Harrison and Reggie Wayne are nothing with Peyton Manning? Or is Peyton just lucky that he always has top tier wide recievers? Great players make other players better. Look at what Peyton did with Austin Collie and Pierre Garcon, two rookies.
For Favre, he's played with great defensive players (Reggie White) and he's had pretty talented teams. If you look at the teams that he brought to the Superbowl, they were very talented. I think for the most part his offensive line has often had all-pro's on it and he's had very good players at the skill positions. He's had running backs which ran for over 1300 yards and good wide recievers. I think he lead a team that was #1 in offense and #1 in defense to the Superbowl, so we really shouldn't pretend he brought them there singlehandedly.
But with that said, if you put Peyton on the winless Lions, he probably would've won around 5 or 6 games, I'd say. They actually had some decent pieces on offense. Think of how great Calvin Johnson would be if Peyton was throwing to him.
Honestly, there's alot of people that don't think he had all that much good to do there. I've seen plenty describe how the personnel he used to get there was already in place and his drafts were meh. I've not delved too deeply myself.
But I do know that having him as the head of football operations is a huge step up.
Hey, I'm likin' this idea. If it's true, the Browns ought to be awesome! We got Holmgren as our friggin' football czar! Soon, we'll be the best in the league! Holmgren will do what he did when he was with the Pack! And what he did with Seattl ... oh, wait a sec ...
Speaking of our brownies. Are we keeping Mangini?
If so, good on them. We'll see what he does with them next year.
I don't know about Fox's fate yet, or Delhommes. I'll look and see shortly.
Speaking of our brownies. Are we keeping Mangini?
If so, good on them. We'll see what he does with them next year.
I don't know about Fox's fate yet, or Delhommes. I'll look and see shortly.
Yep. Mangini got a stay of execution. And Holmgren is also working to keep Cribbs around. No new numbers, but Josh and his agent are happy with the way things are moving now.
Lets just say that Favre's success in Green Bay was much do to Mike Holmgren. And well he came over to green bay with the west coast offense that he picked up from Bill Walsh. And oh who did he work with? None other than Montana. Of course he changed the game up a bit when he went over to GB. Montana tended towards much shorter passes where Holmgren seemed to like longer passes of which Favre's rocket arm seems good for. Also seems that Holmgren liked a super pass heavy offense as well. Lets contribute most of GB's success to the former 49ers coach that, as an offensive coordinator, helped the niners to a 55-10 SB victory over the broncos. See it wasn't favre after all. it was all Holmgren and thus the niners. 49ers FTW!
Needed a correction.
So I take it that your a 'Panty-liner' fan?;)
This might mean that niners are winning the division next year.
Farewell Kurt, you will be missed.
Warner leaving the Cardinals likely means they'll suck again. One of the only reasons for their only reasons for success is Warner's super high completion percentage.
This might mean that niners are winning the division next year.
Winning that division, frankly is like winning the Special Olympics.
The niners are going to suck and fail. Even if they take division next year they are going no where and no where fast.
Winning that division, frankly is like winning the Special Olympics.
The niners are going to suck and fail. Even if they take division next year they are going no where and no where fast.
At least they'll be getting to the playoffs. ;)
Going nowhere? They've been going up ever since Singletary took over.
I just don't see the niners ever being a real team. Not at the slow rate they are improving.
Remember when Ameriquest had been saying, "don't be too quick to judge", while lying straight through their to teeth to investors over subprime mortgages?
(A funny commercial makes all the wrong a right, I suppose.)
This year there's a huff about a dating site being denied a commercial spot during the big game. At least this one had more taste than that one for PETA (yes the PETA that we love to hate, not the one for eating tasty animals)...
Undeservedly so though. :-p no team from that division should get a spot for the playoffs until they learn how to play better than drunk fat retards.
I just don't see the niners ever being a real team. Not at the slow rate they are improving.
Dude, a team from that division was seconds from winning the Superbowl last year. And the Cardinals won another playoff game this year. Its a bad division, but let's not forget that "any team can win" in the playoffs.
And with Warner's retirement, San Fran looks like the best team in the division (unless Matt Leiner somehow learns how to play consistent QB in the off-season).
Take them out, and what do you have really you know?
Yeah, I think the NFC West is the weakest division in football, but in the NFL, stuff like that turns around really fast.
I was listening to Mike and Mike this morning and they had on Adam Scheffler (NFL rumor dude). They asked him where he thought Julius Peppers would go. And to my surprise, he said that the Falcons seem to be the front runners with the Patriots behind and then its everyone else.
Even though Cpt_Micha seems to hate Peppers, I would instantly go out and buy his jersey if he came to Atlanta. I can only imagine our pass rush if we had Pepper and Abraham. Also, as it seems to be proved year after year, an awesome pass rush can really hide other weakness on defense. I'd be fine with them paying him QB money since I think he'd be even faster playing on the turf.
But I'd be pretty annoying if he went to the Patriots. He would do LOTS to sure up that porous Patriot defense and I imagine with his speed and athleticism, he'd could be a good 3-4 outside LB. Hopefully, the Pats will just not be willing to pay him.
I'm starting to believe I've got stuck with another year of Mr Walking Interception and Incompletion. I've not heard anything the Shake being kicked to the curb where he belongs yet.
I'd be so mad if I were Moore. I mean really if I were that much better than Jake and proven to be such why WOULDN'T I be starter next season? I hope a team picks up Moore that will appreciate him. Because our powers that be in Cat Country apparently still appreciate Jake more for whatever reason.
Now it could be that it is such a No Brainer to fire Jake that the decision to Can Him isn't newsworthy but I doubt it. We love our Football down here.
And I don't understand why the Panthers wouldn't resign Moore. After the seasons that the two quarterbacks had, they should at minimum have a quarterback competition out of camp and in the pre-season. If they just let Moore go and give Jake the keys again, someone should get fired. I doubt Moore would command much money since he has very little experience. That seems to make no sense.
Resigning him would be the single biggest thing he could do to gaurantee that he would be retired. because a decision that stupid, would pretty much be the death of his NFL career IMO no one would take the man that gave The Shake the keys again, after all of the years that jake failed to get the job done.
Jake had two years where his performance did not actively hurt the Panthers. He never won us games like any of the QBs in the Pay League he's in have won games for their teams.
I would rather have Quinn than Shakey Jakey any day, and I would sooner pay Quinn the absurd amount of money that Shake is getting now, than even consider Jake as an Emergency (read third) QB.
I would prefer we just start Moore next year rather than bring someone new in.
I think the Browns will go QB hunting. I think we might have a couple picks ourselves so hopefully we'll be shopping too if we don't take Moore.
Are there any fantastic college QBs about to hit the market?
Since Peppers is leaving this opens up some serious leeway as well budget wise. Let's see if we can put the $ to good use.
I don't think that there's any real 'guarateed' quality QBs this year. I guess Bradford could be good, but he detonated his shoulder once last year. Tebow was one of the best all time in the NCAA, but he's not a real good pro candidate (terrible mechanics). With the constant evolution of the game, many High Schools and colleges have decided to run the spread. The problem with that is that these kids never learn how to do simple stuff like take snaps from under center or use play action. This means that we're not likely to see many great pro-style QBs for some time - or that the NFL will be forced to adopt a pass first philosophy to compensate. I just read an interesting atrticle about it the other day. Neat stuff, but it's bad news for teams that need a pro-style QB now. I think there's one that's coming out next year from Washington (Locker), but no matter how good he was in his pro-style offense, his team was terrible. And I mean terrible. That, IMO, doesn't say much good about him.
The team chemistry is there (and who would have thought our Replacement Roster would have performed better than our primaries. I did.. but that was because look who was throwing. Shake.) now, and John Fox seemed to have it figured out pretty quick that he doesn't have be nearly as afraid to let the QB do his job.
Though it wasn't jake playin like a retarded kid that got him benched.
It was the doofus breaking his finger.
So by dumb luck we got Moore onto the field.
Undeservedly so though. :-p no team from that division should get a spot for the playoffs until they learn how to play better than drunk fat retards.
I just don't see the niners ever being a real team. Not at the slow rate they are improving.
Dude, a team from that division was seconds from winning the Superbowl last year. And the Cardinals won another playoff game this year. Its a bad division, but let's not forget that "any team can win" in the playoffs.
And with Warner's retirement, San Fran looks like the best team in the division (unless Matt Leiner somehow learns how to play consistent QB in the off-season).
And that crappy team the niners beats the snot out of that team that came second in the SB last year. Yeah them niners suck because they easily beat that team that got second.
And that crappy team the niners beats the snot out of that team that came second in the SB last year. Yeah them niners suck because they easily beat that team that got second.
I'm sorry but beating the Cardinals isn't saying much. They were easily the most swingy inconsistent team in the NFL. It was pure luck and Jake Delhomme that got them to the SB.
If the Niners were any good they'd at least be in the Wild Card hunt year to year, and they aren't. They get trounced by any Good Team, so handedly that they might as well be a Bye Week.
ZB: I can hardly argue with NFL madden, that being said I think the Colts will do it. Unlike the Saints who seem to rely on miracles to do turn arounds and get wins, the colts come back from the deficit on their own merit.
Not even Gods Team will stop the Colts this year.
And I prefer to think that the Colts will trounce the Saints and embarass them into an oblivion so bad that their franchise will be set back 5 years. But I think that might be asking for too much.
What's up with the hating of the Colts? I'm not their biggest fan but I favor them since I like Peyton Manning and his amusing commercials.
I do like his commercials. Heh. I dunno, he just annoys me when he's under center. Always yellin' an' movin' an' fussin' about like an epileptic with tourrettes. Other guys do it, too, but not so much. At least I don't notice it as much. And the Colts just seem boring to me. I don't know why. They're explosive but somehow their explosiveness is lame to me. I was better with 'em when Gonzales was healthy, though. Ok. Let's call my hatred of the Colts irrational. Cuz it totally is. I don't like the team, but I respect their goodness and acknowledge Manning's greatness. But I don't like it.
EDIT: They also took less crap when there were allegations of cheating leveled against them. Not that I'm on Bill's side, but they took a hella beating after an investigation for that mess. The Colts amp their crowd noise (allegedly) and nobody even cares. That always bugged me.
And that crappy team the niners beats the snot out of that team that came second in the SB last year. Yeah them niners suck because they easily beat that team that got second.
I'm sorry but beating the Cardinals isn't saying much. They were easily the most swingy inconsistent team in the NFL. It was pure luck and Jake Delhomme that got them to the SB.
If the Niners were any good they'd at least be in the Wild Card hunt year to year, and they aren't. They get trounced by any Good Team, so handedly that they might as well be a Bye Week.
ZB: I can hardly argue with NFL madden, that being said I think the Colts will do it. Unlike the Saints who seem to rely on miracles to do turn arounds and get wins, the colts come back from the deficit on their own merit.
Not even Gods Team will stop the Colts this year.
Obviously you need to learn what them emoticon mean such as things like a razz or whatnot that are used in an obvious sarcastic manner. Talk about stuff going over people's heads.
Well he's my review of the game. The saints didn't win the game. The colts lost it.
This should have been the Vikings SB imo. Lame game is lame.
True, I wonder if the Vikings had gone to the Big Game that the Colts would have performed the same as they did against the Saints (and if Minnesota could capitalize on that). Oh well...
Perhaps the Saints gave the Colts a little something-something to "inspire" the team. They are supposed to be Saints, maybe they gave a generous offer...
The super bowl was kind of lame. I found it very slow and kinda bad football. It got kinda slow at a few points that I started dozing off. Mainly when the saints had it but not the point. It was just... slow. There was nothing spectacular about it. The half time show kinda sucked and I think it was the best part of the game. Or at least the most entertaining part of the game.
Well he's my review of the game. The saints didn't win the game. The colts lost it.
I agree... except the half-time show sucked (because the Who suck). It was one of the least exciting Superbowls in quite some time, although we've had some good Superbowls lately. So we were spoiled; at least it wasn't like the 90s when the Superbowl was over after a quarter.
I didn't watch the game, as getting ready for another fun night at work took priority to watching the Big Game. So I take it that the Saints played the same as they did against the Vikings, and the Colts just bungled it in the end?
The Colts came out with a bunch of energy. At the end of the first quarter the saints were bent over backwards by the Colts. Saints couldn't do anything but 3 and out. The Colts had no problem getting down the field. In the second quarter the Colts had only something like 3 player. After that first quarter the Colts just seemed to forget how to pass, throw, catch a ball. they seemed to forget the whole game.
The saints, at no point in the game, played great. or even that good. All that happened was that the colts started playing worse than the raiders.
All in all the game was boring enough that a slept through part of the 3rd quarter.
A lot of this boringness that was in the game was because neither team seemed to try and make any big plays. They both just tried playing a very slow controlled game style. It just got overly boring a couple plays into the game.
Its the first day of free agency in the first capless year in over a decade (almost 2?) for the NFL today.
I expected Peppers to get the Haynesworth treatment and have a monster contract while waking up. But as of right now, supposedly the Bears and the Eagles are covetting him at the moment.
Good news to Cpt_Micha though, the Panthers cut Jake Delhomme. So maybe they're making room for Moore to get a full year next year.
The only other significant move I saw was that Antonio Cromartie was traded from the Chargers to the Jets. Apparently, even though he was a pro-bowler two years ago, he is viewed as "doing his own thing" too much. Also, I heard on that devastating Shonne Greene TD in the playoffs last year, he offended the lockeroom by giving a half-hearted effort in the tackle. I think the Jets got him for something like a third round pick (which could become a second rounder). Its a pretty good deal for the Jets since they'll have two excellent corners now.
The only other thing I saw was that the Lions signed Nate Burleson who's a good wide reciever, but that's not exactly huge news.
Good news to Cpt_Micha though, the Panthers cut Jake Delhomme. So maybe they're making room for Moore to get a full year next year.
Even better news, this gives the Panthers some incentive to look for another QB. Guess who likes the uniforms so much he wants to play there? That's right, folks, none other than Michael Vick himself. I'm sure Micha will be pleased to hear that Vick would really like to play for his Cats.
They should go with Moore this year and draft a QB. If Moore is good, then he can play the full year. If not, maybe the rookie can take over after 6-8 games.
Now Atlanta needs lots of help on defense, a backup RB, and a #2 reciever of some sort. But primarily, they need lots of defensive help.
Its the first day of free agency in the first capless year in over a decade (almost 2?) for the NFL today.
I expected Peppers to get the Haynesworth treatment and have a monster contract while waking up. But as of right now, supposedly the Bears and the Eagles are covetting him at the moment.
Good news to Cpt_Micha though, the Panthers cut Jake Delhomme. So maybe they're making room for Moore to get a full year next year.
The only other significant move I saw was that Antonio Cromartie was traded from the Chargers to the Jets. Apparently, even though he was a pro-bowler two years ago, he is viewed as "doing his own thing" too much. Also, I heard on that devastating Shonne Greene TD in the playoffs last year, he offended the lockeroom by giving a half-hearted effort in the tackle. I think the Jets got him for something like a third round pick (which could become a second rounder). Its a pretty good deal for the Jets since they'll have two excellent corners now.
The only other thing I saw was that the Lions signed Nate Burleson who's a good wide reciever, but that's not exactly huge news.
Shakey Jakey WHEN YOU GONNA LEAVE Shakey Jakey WE NEED A REAL QB
with tears of pure unadulterated JOY.Even more good news is losing Peppers most likely so we can pay some new players. More Consistent players. Looks like we might be shaping up to be quite the team.
Yeah the Lions... next. lol. Mind you we might get to see if their QB is worth something with someone to throw it to. I'm looking at another year of improvement out of the Lions.
Even better news, this gives the Panthers some incentive to look for another QB. Guess who likes the uniforms so much he wants to play there? That's right, folks, none other than Michael Vick himself. I'm sure Micha will be pleased to hear that Vick would really like to play for his Cats.
I dunno Zb. I really do like Moore. And you know how I feel about Vick :-p I could stomach him if we had to. It's not going to be a deal breaker for me like another year of Jake would be. But as Scyp said I think the Eagles paid the man.
And we don't exactly have a good taste in our mouths from paying Players that much down here in Cat Country. Every time we do, we seem to end up with Crap performance on the field.
We'll see how Moore settles into the Full Time job, if he gets it. I want him to. At the very least I think he's going to get a chance during the PreSeason to compete with whoever we bring in.
I think he deserves at least that much for taking what would have been a Tragic Season for us, and turning it into a respectable peformance at the end.
Vick wanting to play for us is sorta good news though. It means that the Qbs out there still respect us enough as a Team to feel that we have the peices in place to possibly go the distance.
Does anyone know about Favre?
Is he coming back? Is he leaving?
If the Vikings are stupid enough not to take him back if he wants to play, he should give the Cats a call. We'd love him down here.
The Eagles have him for like $1.5 mil or something. He's totally worth keeping for that even as a third option. The Panthers have Moore - who was good. They need to draft someone or try and get a meh QB in a trade, free agency, etc. The Vick thing really isn't a sign that people want to play for the Cats. He honest to god came out and said he wanted to play there cuz he likes the uniforms, it's close to home and he wants to play against Atlanta twice a year (you know, to pay them back for him screwing them over or something). Yeah.
The Vikes have stated that they're willing to wait on Favre to make a decision for as long as it takes him to make one. So get ready for more 'will he won't he' fun. At least he hasn't come out with a decision to change his mind about yet, though.
And I thought the second year salary of Vick went up significantly (I want to say near $5-6 mil), but its possible that they reworked his contract or something.
Yeah, I don't understand any reason Vick could be against the Falcons. Not only did Arthur Blanke stand by him (until he admitted guilt), he supported his return to the NFL. When the Eagles played in Atlanta last year, there were plenty of Vick fans. So I don't know why he would want to stick it to the Falcons.
With Favre, didn't he already say "highly unlikely" then changed it to less strong language already?
I also didn't know Favre was already playin' games again. Last I heard he basically said just leave him alone for a while and he'll decide.
No more Jake.
That's all that matters to me.
when he plays he's good. Great even... but that's not all that often anymore it seems.
I want someone that can take a licking and keep ticking more or less correctly.
The good news is we do have a good line at Carolina. So we could hypothetically protect McNabb. But hits are going to get through, and I just don't see McNabb as the type to take occassional shots.
If you watched the Eagles/Dallas playoff game, you could see how the Cowboys didn't even respect the run. They just unleashed a beating on McNabb.
I imagine Carolina's running attack would protect McNabb. He always is an injury risk but I think he's worth it (depending on what Philadelphia would want). Think of how good Steve Smith would be with a quarterback like McNabb.
Well if he goes to Carolina, he'll no longer be in an offense that throws the most in the league. Moving to a running team will limit his hits and hopefully his injuries.
If you watched the Eagles/Dallas playoff game, you could see how the Cowboys didn't even respect the run. They just unleashed a beating on McNabb.
I imagine Carolina's running attack would protect McNabb. He always is an injury risk but I think he's worth it (depending on what Philadelphia would want). Think of how good Steve Smith would be with a quarterback like McNabb.
Weellllll after Shake's repeated Failures last year John Fox made a comment along the lines of wanting a more balanced offense. And after Moore's first couple of successful games and as the team just got better he said he was more inclined to let the QB throw the ball.
So there might be a slight philosophy change down here. Especially as Williams and our other guy seem to be getting stopped more, for shorter yards.
I think it would be an interesting thought though having McNabb. If he could just toughen up a little more some how I'd love to have him here.
I do want to see some attention paid to the Receiving department though. Smith's good but he needs a partner to work with. Or Running game already has Double Trouble, we need one for the Passing game too.
I think it would be an interesting thought though having McNabb. If he could just toughen up a little more some how I'd love to have him here.
Heh. You don't tell a 33 year old QB to toughen up. If he was tough, he'd have shown ya' by now. The only direction his toughness can go is down. Trust me, I'm a 31 year old martial artist. My durability ain't what it used to be an' there ain't jack I can learn to turn this ship about.
Heh. You don't tell a 33 year old QB to toughen up. If he was tough, he'd have shown ya' by now. The only direction his toughness can go is down. Trust me, I'm a 31 year old martial artist. My durability ain't what it used to be an' there ain't jack I can learn to turn this ship about.
I dunno. I've seen racers toughen up when they are past their prime. (multiple times in the past couple years actually) they seem to finally settle in and want it more, and put more effort into training etc.
I don't think McNabb's problems are what a racer's typically are (physical conditioning), but I do wonder if he just needs to be trained how to properly fall. so maybe some martial arts courses could do him some good :-p
Speaking of sack machines, the report is that Peppers will sign for 6-years ($40 mil over the first 3 years). The details aren't out, but he was looking for at least $12 mil/year starting the contract.
Apparently he had 10.5 sacks, 2 INTs, and 5 forced fumbles last season which many considered a down year. That dude is good, but yeah, that's a ton of money to invest in a defensive lineman.
But its the defense's job to make sure McNabb doesn't fall correctly.
Speaking of sack machines, the report is that Peppers will sign for 6-years ($40 mil over the first 3 years). The details aren't out, but he was looking for at least $12 mil/year starting the contract.
Apparently he had 10.5 sacks, 2 INTs, and 5 forced fumbles last season which many considered a down year. That dude is good, but yeah, that's a ton of money to invest in a defensive lineman.
Especially when it's a dood with a questionable heart. If he gets this payday, he may never play the same again. Dolla dolla bills, ya'all.
But its the defense's job to make sure McNabb doesn't fall correctly.
Speaking of sack machines, the report is that Peppers will sign for 6-years ($40 mil over the first 3 years). The details aren't out, but he was looking for at least $12 mil/year starting the contract.
Apparently he had 10.5 sacks, 2 INTs, and 5 forced fumbles last season which many considered a down year. That dude is good, but yeah, that's a ton of money to invest in a defensive lineman.
Oh god.
Crappers isn't worth it. He's not even worth half of that. Sure I guess if you need a way to spend excess funds for a guy that will decide to only play half the time... He wasn't worth what Carolina was paying him by quite a fair amount.
Ugh.
Although, I think the big news was the Anquan Boldin trade. I think the Ravens made out really well. They finally got a recieving threat and only gave up a 3rd and a 4th round pick (I think) for him. So not only does that mean the Ravens actually will have a reciever for the next few years, but it appears that the Cardinals will take a step back in another department. Steve Breaston is good, but he's obviously no Anquan Boldin.
There were a few other minor signings, but nothing too exciting.
Although, I think the big news was the Anquan Boldin trade. I think the Ravens made out really well. They finally got a recieving threat and only gave up a 3rd and a 4th round pick (I think) for him. So not only does that mean the Ravens actually will have a reciever for the next few years, but it appears that the Cardinals will take a step back in another department. Steve Breaston is good, but he's obviously no Anquan Boldin.
There were a few other minor signings, but nothing too exciting.
Yeah, that makes the Ravens instantly better. A major part of their trouble was Flacco didn't have anyone to throw to. Now he does. I wonder how diva-y Boldin will be, though. He may hate Baltimore enough to just not be good. Then again, he may love it. He's the only number one receiver the Ravens have.
Hey Zb any news on the Clowns..I mean Browns front?
I guess they finally came to terms with Cribbs - which is good. They signed Fujita and some OT named Pashos or something. They traded someone to the Lions but I don't know what they got for him. Overall, they haven't done a lot. I didn't expect them to, really. I think they want to use their picks to actually make some picks. Maybe. The Fujita thing is good, though.
But depth can't be bad, right?
Apparently, they're interested in Thomas Jones since Mangini loves ex-Jets. I guess its good since Thomas Jones is really an underrated excellent back, but he is getting old plus that kid (Harrison?) ran well for the Browns at the end of the season.
But depth can't be bad, right?
Having more depth is a good thing. It's why our Running Game is so damn tough. Double Trouble really have won us quite a few games. I'm hoping we get another couple of Receivers to help out Smith, by giving him an on field partner as well as giving a backup.
Apparently, they're interested in Thomas Jones since Mangini loves ex-Jets. I guess its good since Thomas Jones is really an underrated excellent back, but he is getting old plus that kid (Harrison?) ran well for the Browns at the end of the season.
But depth can't be bad, right?
Yeah, depth is good. I also don't think Harrison is gonna be as effective this year. Teams are ready for him now. Not that he'll be bad, just not as dominant.
ZB, I'm sorry. I'm so sorry!
I wouldn't even wish that on Greenbay.
Good news is, they canned Anderson. Do you think Mangini would be stupid enough to pick up a Quarterback who is even WORSE?
I suppose that's what we get for me cracking that joke that Delhomme is Browns material last season huh?
I hope that if they do sign him, he'll be seen as a veteran backup for Quinn or some draft pick or something. Since they picked up Seneca Wallace - the definition of veteran backup - I'm a li'l worried. Maybe he's just visiting the Browns as in 'visiting' and they're actually all like 'go away, you suck' an' junk.
Be even funnier if they sing the song I made about The Shake while he is visiting. "Shakey Jakey, When you gunna leave? Shakey Jakey we need a real QB!"
I have a theme song for Delhomme.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJoj_Rz1wf0
"He who gets Sacked and he who throws it away. He who brutalizes the timeless game, he is a mongrel, he is a relic that needs to be nailed on the wall" "Don't you wanna ditch him?" "The brainless Qb" "Don't you wanna ditch him?"
Replace lyrics chorus with "Shakey Jakey" "When you gonna leave" "Shakey Jakey" "We need a real QB" "Shakey Jakey" "when you gonna leave" "Shakey Jakey" "What's it gonna be"
keep the next part about the girl.
"Don't you wanna ditch him?" "The brainless QB" "Don't you wanna ditch him" "The brainless QB"
repeat Shakey Jakey chorus.
repeat Don't you wanna ditch him mantra.
Me Sep 29 2009. Here's the song for you ZB. Just incase you might wanna start practicing.
Hell I'll sing it with you.
If he gets signed you'll probably also get the following Lyrics somewhere "Damn You Mangini! We needed a QB!"
Well given how much he asks for (cause you know he's going to be stupid and try to ask for his 5 mil a year) I doubt Cleveland will want to sign him.
I don't see a need for him. We've already got two guys that are meh, why add another? The only possible reason would be hope that last year was an abberation. We hoped that about Anderson, though, so hopefully there was a lesson learned. I guess it's not impossible for Jake to have some epic comeback, but the Panthers were a decent team and he still sucked. I honestly hope they draft a QB somewhere. Maybe McCoy, I dunno. Jake is not the answer in Cleveland. Or anywhere, really.
I don't know how they can figure last year was a fluke, considering the year before he blew, and they year before that he was Mediocre. You don't want a guy who on a good day plays Mediocre.
You want a guy that on a good day can throw to slow ass receivers still get completions and still make plays in a good way.. Gee they already have someone like that *Points at Quinn*.
It wouldn't be just last year that was a fluke but the last three or four really. Jake's past his peak and on down the other side of the Hill already.
So far, it seems like Quinn is the guy by default. There's some talk of goin' West Coast with the offense and Quinn is really only good when asked to make those kind of throws - short. So we'll see, I guess. I expect a competition no matter who suits up, though. Wallace ain't no kind of star and Quinn hasn't exactly been impressive - ever - and has some serious durability questions so it's up in the air. Even a late drafted QB would probably have a shot. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if they gave Cribbs a shot. Though there is a major issue with that. If he got the job, they'd have to rework his contract again so he could make starting QB money.
They should just pay him QB level wages anyway with as many positions as he can play.
I think I agree with him (if what he said was true). Its really bad to cheer when your own player gets hurt. I remember when Jets fans did the same thing to Chad Pennington and I thought that was so awful.
I'm not even one of those people who thinks that you should not cheer injuries to the other team. I'm fine with people cheering when their opponent is hurt. But to root for your own player to get injured just seem really horrible.
EDIT: And if we don't deserve a winner, it's fitting we put so much of our faith in a loser of his caliber. He damned sure help us field a loser the best way he knew how. ;)
But he also led the Browns to one of their best seasons in years, although they still missed the playoffs. Did they win 9 or 10 games that season?
For some bizarre reason, I'm a DA fan, but he's been pretty god awful after that one season. Ron Jaworski (sp?) said that he believed that DA could have sucess somewhere if they protected him since he's pretty immobile. Supposedly he was meeting with the Cardinals who revived another QB who desperately needed protection. (Although DA is not in the same league of Kurt Warner, obviously.)
After that one good year, he became the DA we all know and ... umm ... yeah. It was a fluke year and I doubt he'd be great anywhere else. I don't think he's terrible enough to never work again, but I do think he's terrible enough to never start again. At least not for a serious contender. His bread and butter is a cannon arm and, for one year, he had accuracy with it. And then he lost his long range accuracy. And so he lost his entire game. He can't hit routes closer than 15 yards and he can't hit guys running anything other than a deep post or a streak. In short, if they cut, he's done. No timing. I don't hate the guy - the team's got deeper problems than he ever was - I just don't think he's very good.
It's alot harder to make a parody of someone's name when their name is Derek Anderson that will fit well into a song.
That little **** deserved to be cheered when he got hurt on the field. I can safely put him in the top 10 worst Qbs I have ever seen in the NFL. He was lazy, uncooridnated, unable to read the field, and incapable of throwing straight to save his life, and worst of all? He thinks he's on the level of a Manning.
I hope that little twit gets signed on a team that Cleveland gets to play this year. I really do. So the Browns can Sack him, again and again and Break Him. Hell the roster from -last- season was a higher caliber team than DA could provide for and we all know how terrible they were last year.
Hell I want the Browns to roll him and his team so hard that I want it to be almost considered ****. I want accusations of "running up the score" and "Unsportsman like conduct" being thrown at the Browns and their fans for Beating DA and whatever team was stupid enough to sign him. I want at the end of the game to see GG NO RE ROFLCOPTER NOOB emblazened on the jumbo tron.
Somewhat amusingly, him and Quinn have the same problem in one area but it manifests in different ways. DA can't read defenses well and will go to his first target just about every time no matter how covered they are. He's overconfident in his arm after that 10-6 year. BQ can't read defenses and will go to his dump off (last) target just about every time no matter how open his first read is. He's got no confidence at all. Funny, no?
Also, DA can only throw deep and has no short accuracy while Quinn can only throw short accurate passes. Its like if you combined them, you'd get a pretty good quarterback. Maybe that was what Mangini was trying to do when he kept switching them as starters.
Quinn is also capable of throwing on the Move. (Something DA isn't)
To be fair to Quinn he's not exactly had alot of grounds to be Confident in his protection or his frankly slower than Molasses in Winter Receivers. I mean really Cleveland doesn't have an O-line as far as I'm concerned. They barely have Receivers. So really the offense is One Quinn and two half ass receivers :-p
Also, DA can only throw deep and has no short accuracy while Quinn can only throw short accurate passes. Its like if you combined them, you'd get a pretty good quarterback. Maybe that was what Mangini was trying to do when he kept switching them as starters.
Exactly. If you could combine them, you might be ok. Heh.
Quinn is also capable of throwing on the Move. (Something DA isn't)
To be fair to Quinn he's not exactly had alot of grounds to be Confident in his protection or his frankly slower than Molasses in Winter Receivers. I mean really Cleveland doesn't have an O-line as far as I'm concerned. They barely have Receivers. So really the offense is One Quinn and two half ass receivers :-p
I agree Quinn needs more of a chance, but I'm not sure in his ability at all and I totally doubt his durability. He'd have had more of a chance last year but he got hurt again. If they ever get a running game, he might be ok. That's why he's probably loving this possible conversion to West Coast - his body and skillset are built for it. Let's hope it works out - or the Browns get a good QB in the draft.
Personally I think Cleveland should go West Coast, assuming they get new receivers it'll be fairly easy to adapt to the style (even if they kept the current team) because Quinn's already used to Slow Ass Receivers that won't ever be down field in time. (I wonder what's going to happen once he actually has someone to throw to)
Quinn is also capable of throwing on the Move. (Something DA isn't)
To be fair to Quinn he's not exactly had alot of grounds to be Confident in his protection or his frankly slower than Molasses in Winter Receivers. I mean really Cleveland doesn't have an O-line as far as I'm concerned. They barely have Receivers. So really the offense is One Quinn and two half ass receivers :-p
It is true that Quinn is much more moble than DA.
To be fair, if you are going to say you can't judge Quinn because his team is too bad, what are you basing your judgements on DA on? He had the same slow recievers and the same non-existant line.
(I'm not saying DA is good by any means, but I think there's an unfair DA bashing compared to Quinn love.)
8-8 would be good enough, in reality. And in the NFC, it would even be a playoff spot.
Don't you have that backwards? 10-6 made the playoffs in the NFC while 9-7 made it for the AFC. Didn't it also take 10 wins the year before that?
Don't you have that backwards? 10-6 made the playoffs in the NFC while 9-7 made it for the AFC. Didn't it also take 10 wins the year before that?
It always moves around. One year, the 9-7 Cardinals went to the SB while the 11-5 Patriots sat at home. It's just a joke. That was the best thing about the NFL 'til this year - actual parity. Now who knows what's gonna happen without a cap. Hopefully that'll get remedied soon.
It is true that Quinn is much more moble than DA.
To be fair, if you are going to say you can't judge Quinn because his team is too bad, what are you basing your judgements on DA on? He had the same slow recievers and the same non-existant line.
(I'm not saying DA is good by any means, but I think there's an unfair DA bashing compared to Quinn love.)
Okay, look at last season, DA vs the Quinn Games. The team performed -much- better with Quinn running the gun fight than DA with that crew. Quinn and Mangini I think honestly got about as much out of that team as they could and I think Quinn and Mangini both had more talent left in the tank afterwards, where as Anderson? Was just so bad that he was actually hurting the team's performance.
That's what I'm basing it on.
(Its like when people say the AL is better in baseball.)
Okay, look at last season, DA vs the Quinn Games. The team performed -much- better with Quinn running the gun fight than DA with that crew. Quinn and Mangini I think honestly got about as much out of that team as they could and I think Quinn and Mangini both had more talent left in the tank afterwards, where as Anderson? Was just so bad that he was actually hurting the team's performance.
That's what I'm basing it on.
If you judge both quarterbacks based on last season, you have DA as being horrible and Quinn also as pretty bad. You agree that DA is horrible, but you do not assess Quinn as pretty bad. If you are saying that Quinn is better because his team is bad, then you'd have to say that about DA.
Yeah, I know. But I think the general opinion is that the AFC (Colts, Pats, Steelers, Ravens, Chargers) is a better conference. And since I like NFC teams, I tend to have to defend it.
(Its like when people say the AL is better in baseball.)
Yeah, the AFC is seen as a better conference overall. I believe that the best teams from both can compete pretty levelly - as seen with the last couple SBs. But yeah, there's a stigma against the NFC, NL and the East in the NBA. What it basically boils down to, though, is a 'our worst teams are better than your worst teams' situation which means nothing.
If you judge both quarterbacks based on last season, you have DA as being horrible and Quinn also as pretty bad. You agree that DA is horrible, but you do not assess Quinn as pretty bad. If you are saying that Quinn is better because his team is bad, then you'd have to say that about DA.
I'm not saying Quinn is good. (maybe Medium, average) But I am saying he got far more out of that team than DA did, either through attitude or skill level. Either way he's a far better choice than DA could ever be to any team. (Unless Jake was competing for the same Job... then it would be a tough call)
I'm more partial to the NFC myself. Vikings, Saints, Carolina, Falcons and etc. Really between the two, I think they are just about even.
The Browns traded Brady Quinn to Denver for pretty much nothing. Peyton Hillis who did decent in the games that he filled in, but he is a fullback, a sixth round pick in 2011, and a conditional pick in 2012.
I guess the Browns really wanted to give the job to Jake Delhomme. And I can't believe Yahoo! reports Brady Quinn as a "big name quarterback". I asked a coworker who's a casual football fan if she thinks Quinn's a big name quarterback and her answer was "Doesn't he play for the Browns? How big name could you be?"
In other news, the Jets signed LT. It was something like 2-years $5 million. That's not a bad contract to see if he can still play. A low risk, high reward type of deal.
Yeah, just saw the Quinn news this mornin'. Doesn't make a whole lot of sense. They're rebuilding but go for two washouts instead of keeping one guy that hasn't had enough time to be judged fairly yet. I am not happy with the Jake/Seneca signings. All that crap did was get two not very good yet most assuredly older players. Not good. They better draft a QB at some point.
Oh dear christ you guys DID get The Shake?
I'm sorry ZB. You have my condolences. If I recall correctly Jake at one point said earlier in his career that he'd never play for a team he didn't Start on. If he's still got that attitude you guys are boned.
Okay Quinns rating with a High School team (sorry but that's what the Browns are) was a 67... Jakes with Steve ****ing Smith and good protection was a 53 at the end of the season. At what point would you think this was a good idea?
Bye Mangini. You are worthless. "but he could mentor a new QB" I'm sorry but Jake The Shake Gohomme is the last QB I would want mentoring a new talent. Precisely because he has none.
Almost impossible to believe, but the Browns somehow keep finding new ways to make the team worse. Wow! Someone at some point actually had to say, "Jake Delhomme is the answer." So what's the question?- TD comment of the article.
I think that summed it up perfectly.
Its a little convoluted, but its definitely better than the old rule. I still would've prefered if they just play another period, but its better.
Although, I wish they didn't make the change just for the playoffs. Since there's so few games in the NFL, many games are basically playoff games towards the end of the season.
But overall, I think its a positive change.
Yeah that's right ZB. Not only do my cats get to play vs the Steelers but we get to beat the Browns silly this year, oh and we get to see Jake get Sacked by Panthers. Oh come on you've got to see delicious awesome here, we finally get to sack the opposing teams MVP (er or would he be OUR mvp now?
). Oh we get to play against the Bengals the 49ers etc.Much better schedule this year for my Cats.
The Vikings got it pretty rough this year. They play both the Jets and the Patriots during the season and start off against the Saints. I kind of like the fact that the Saints game comes so early but being that its the first game if we lose it could set the tone for the season. The division is still pretty much a wrap though if Favre comes back.
There's easy games against the Niners (althought getting better), the Cardinals (getting worse), the Seahawks, and the Rams.
But the AFC North is pretty good (excluding the Browns): Steelers, Ravens, Bengals. Luckily Atlanta will get to play the Steelers the first game of the season so hopefully Roethlisberger will be suspended or something. And we can always for the Bengals to be bad again.
I'm hopefully that Atlanta will make the playoffs next year.
The Vikings got it pretty rough this year. They play both the Jets and the Patriots during the season and start off against the Saints. I kind of like the fact that the Saints game comes so early but being that its the first game if we lose it could set the tone for the season. The division is still pretty much a wrap though if Favre comes back.
Green Bay looked pretty good last year. And the Bears went out and spent a ton of money in the off-season.
The Vikings still look like the best team (if they have Favre), but I imagine it'll be much more competitive next year.
The only things I'm going to say are a done deal for us is the Browns games and the Rams games :-p Especially with Jake The Shake Delhomme in Cleveland.
I kind of wish we could have lucked out and not have to play the Saints so many times this year. I doubt the Saints are going to make the mistakes they made last year by resting the team.
I'd rather they spring for another QB in cleveland even if it's someone that's only mediocre (which is bound to be an improvement over the Loser that they signed this year) and then blow their picks on getting an Offensive Line. The browns have about two more years of Suck left in them I think before they get a respectable team built up. They've just got so much wrong with them that I don't think a year, or even two are going to be enough to finish the Rebuild.
Though Mangini did manage to get results out of what is effectively a bunch of High School Players last year. So maybe I'm going to eat those words. But I doubt he'll get anything out of The Shake.
Would you want him in Cleveland? The Browns have the 7th pick and a ton of other picks in the first three rounds.
Ben as a player, yes. He'd actually fit fairly well with the offense and most assuredly be a vast improvement. His ability to scramble, stretch plays and make awesome out of crap would work well to get us a few more wins than pretty much anyone else could. His durability would be a huge plus, too. As a man, though, no. I don't want him in Cleveland. As Joakim Noah so recently said, there's nothin' to do in Cleveland, man. So Ben would have to go out and cause trouble just to find it. That's not good. Besides, I seriously doubt Holmgren would even remotely consider it. Ben's got a lot to like about as a player but not much as a human. And we're rebuilding. I wanna do it right.
I'd rather Cleveland found someone else though. Ben's Cannon Arm wouldn't be much use there in Cleveland where the Receivers are still slower than Molassess on a cold winter's day, and not able to hold onto a Quinn ball let alone a Hot Ball like what would be coming from Ben's arm.
NEW YORK (AP)—Pittsburgh Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger has been suspended for six games without pay for violating the NFL’s personal conduct policy.
Commissioner Roger Goodell made the announcement Wednesday. Roethlisberger also must undergo a “comprehensive behavioral evaluation by medical professionals.” The suspension could be reduced to four games for good behavior after the behavioral evaluation is completed.
The interesting part will be if the Steelers actually trade him or if the Steelers 0-4, would the fans welcome Ben back (as a savior) or boo him for ruining their season.
Both are good picks too. Go Cats Go. For the first time ever the Cats have two Qbs.
Oh and the Browns got a Qb too.
Atlanta wound up drafting a ton of defensive players, so that's good. Apparently the LB and CB they drafted are supposed to be good, so we'll see. Hopefully Atlanta can form some sort of defense before they lose Gonzalez to old age. But at least their core is extremely young.
Oh, I also watched "The Blindside" on the plane. It was pretty good.
Maybe they figure McCoy will take Shakey Jakey's "mentoring" as What Not To Do?
(yeah, I know... I butchered his name)
I hear it's his other cannon that's causin' all his troubles. ;)
Ahh... HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Same ol' Z_B!
Not that I actually like kids or anything, but its always good to have reasons to dislike the Patriots. It's actually more amusing than anything.
There was some sort of competition where the prize was a gym session with members of the Patriots. They didn't send stars like Tom Brady. They didn't even send backups. They sent an intern.
Also, they gave away a prize which was a Fred Taylor jersey... c'mon at least give them a Brady or Moss one. Its like the Pats just wanted to clean out their old merchandise.
Brian Cushing of the Houstan Texans was suspended four games for failing a drug test related to performance enhancing drugs. He was the defensive rookie of the year last year. Its funny how this was hardly talked about, but you know that if it were a top notch young baseball player, people would say how the drug policy isn't working and it'd be the lead story.
Why does football get constant free passes when it comes to their **** problem, but baseball gets destroyed?
Shawne Merriman was going to set the single season sack record (before he got hurt) then he got caught doping. Now he's a shell of his former self.
The Williams on the Vikings D-line are considered two of the best DT in the league (making the Viking's run defense) and I think they both had issues with the drug policy.
Rodney Harrison was a pro-bowler and was a key part of championship teams.
I just thought of those off the top of my head. I'm sure if I actually looked it up, there'd be plenty of good players who were linked with **** in the NFL.
The drug problem is pretty rampant in the NFL. It seems like there are several suspensions every season and no one cares.
I don't know why it's a shocker in baseball mind you though, because frankly they pretty much Have No Policy involving PEDs compared to the other major leagues.
As rampant as it is in the NFL though it's still nothing on baseball. Pretty much every home run record in the last decade and some change involved Steroids of some kind of another. Pitchers are starting to Juice now too (which is why the HR records aren't falling left and right anymore and why strike out records are starting to be broken). There are estimates that in the MLB that forty to fifty percent of all the players are doping.
I think there's less of an uproar in the media over football players, basketball players (Orlando's Rashard Lewis was suspended to start the season), boxers and MMA fighters because, quite literally, those organizations haven't made a Federal case out of it. Everyone knew it was happening in MLB. Everyone lied about it. Everyone knows it happens in these other organizations, too. But nobody talks about it. The loudest crap going on outside of baseball is from those two Viking players and that's cuz they're fighting it. In baseball, nearly every instance is met with instant and loud denial. In the other sports, the guys typically take their lumps. It's not seen as so two faced like baseball is and so they garner less attention. In short, basball players poppin' for PEDs get all sorts of attention because they brought it upon themselves with the constant lying about it. If they'd have just taken their suspensions and shut up, this never would have gone as far.
Its been primarily allegations until recently in baseball. Now, they drug test and if you are caught, you get suspended. Players will appeal then say they didn't do anything wrong, and that's exactly what this Cushing guy did.
Players in the NFL still lie about not doing PEDs and the like.
At Micha,
When you can throw a fast ball that clocks 90mph or better or hit a ball going that same speed then you can say it takes no skill to play the game. Until then, kindly shut up because you have do idea about what you are speaking to.
I agree with you, ZB, but I also think it has to do with the history involved in the game. With the World Series being fixed at one point, (1912 I think) people look at baseball differently. Any inpropriety is seen as damaging America's Pasttime. Baseball players are held to a higher standard because of this.
That's true, too. Baseball is a game of stats. That's what so much of it is about. PEDs make some people feel that the numbers - the most important element of the game - are skewed. That's definitely something that needs to be considered here.
I agree with you, ZB, but I also think it has to do with the history involved in the game. With the World Series being fixed at one point, (1912 I think) people look at baseball differently. Any inpropriety is seen as damaging America's Pasttime. Baseball players are held to a higher standard because of this.
At Micha,
When you can throw a fast ball that clocks 90mph or better or hit a ball going that same speed then you can say it takes no skill to play the game. Until then, kindly shut up because you have do idea about what you are speaking to.
Throwing a fastball is more about the conditioning and strength of your arm muscles and tendons. Hitting a baseball is likewise the same. Most of baseball is individual hand eye cooridination. It's not really much of a Team Sport where tactics and stategic thinking come into play. Baseball is purely on a physical level, particularly in Hand Eye Cooridnation and Strength with rest periods rather than a constant beating.
Fun trivia, I can throw a ball at about 80. Or I could at one time. I'd probably have to practice to ALOT to get that range of motion down pat again. I could probably throw it faster now, once I got the ROM down thanks to my superior conditioning than what I had at the time.
So how about you kindly shut the hell up. Because I DO know what the hell I'm talking about.
Football and other sports, require alot more team work than what goes on in a baseball team. It's why in those other sports you can't just put a bunch of SB Winners together and expect them to even make the playoffs, because if they just can't play well together they can't play well at all. Baseball? due to the way it's played if you made a Ringer Team (*cough* Yankees *cough* Red Socks *cough*) you could expect to do well, Year in Year out. Because baseball focuses alot more on individuals than the other sports.
So tell me again how baseball players are not athletes because its all about individual effort. And tell me how hand eye coordination isn't important in sports like basketball, hockey, tennis, golf, football, you know, every other sport known to man.
Just sayin' if baseball isn't a sport, auto racing is just robot wars on steroids. The more money spent on the machine means you win.
And those individual players are all athletes. And something you're leaving out is the teamwork between shotstop, second baseman, and first baseman that is called the double play, the teamwork of the catcher and pitcher working together on a strike'em out throw 'em out double play. The teamwork of handling a bunt. The teamwork of the pitch out. The teamwork of hitting your cut off man on a throw from the out field. In short, defense is all about team work.
So tell me again how baseball players are not athletes because its all about individual effort. And tell me how hand eye coordination isn't important in sports like basketball, hockey, tennis, golf, football, you know, every other sport known to man.
Whoa back that **** up. Where did I say baseball wasn't a sport? Or that baseball players aren't athletes?
I said it's not as intensive on team work as football or basketball or hockey is.
And auto racing is a sport (Nascar? Not so much) it meets every single quantifiable definition of sport. But hey if you want to talk out of your ass to make yourself feel better for liking Roids Needed Sports go right ahead.
Racing and videogames? Two totally different things. What you do every day on the way to work is operate a passenger vehicle. It's not Driving. Driving is physical.
Couple that with the team work needed in order to be competitive and everyone on said team having to be on their Game to win and yeah it's a sport.
Football and other sports, require alot more team work than what goes on in a baseball team. It's why in those other sports you can't just put a bunch of SB Winners together and expect them to even make the playoffs, because if they just can't play well together they can't play well at all. Baseball? due to the way it's played if you made a Ringer Team (*cough* Yankees *cough* Red Socks *cough*) you could expect to do well, Year in Year out. Because baseball focuses alot more on individuals than the other sports.
Do you remotely follow basketball?
The Celtics were god awful a few years ago. They were basically relying on getting a high draft pick to become competitive again. They didn't get the pick they were looking for (basketball has a lottery for the top 3 draft spots). So they went out and acquired Kevin Garnet (superstar) and Ray Allen (superstar shooter) (and probably did other stuff). They promptly went and won the championship the next year (and they've been one of the top teams since).
Also, you can watch this off-season because the idea is that MANY bad teams were basically tanking seasons so that they can have the cap room to go out and sign big name free agents and become good. The plan is to suck for a few seasons while clearing out cap space (and getting draft picks) then BAM, sign Lebron James or Dwayne Wade or Chris Bosh or a combination of them and other top free agents. And I'm pretty sure if you can land two top free agents, you have a much better chance at being good that if you did the same strategy in baseball.
So I think its pretty unfair to single out baseball.
Whoa back that **** up. Where did I say baseball wasn't a sport? Or that baseball players aren't athletes?
I said it's not as intensive on team work as football or basketball or hockey is.
And auto racing is a sport (Nascar? Not so much) it meets every single quantifiable definition of sport. But hey if you want to talk out of your ass to make yourself feel better for liking Roids Needed Sports go right ahead.
Racing and videogames? Two totally different things. What you do every day on the way to work is operate a passenger vehicle. It's not Driving. Driving is physical.
Couple that with the team work needed in order to be competitive and everyone on said team having to be on their Game to win and yeah it's a sport.
Except one small detail you're overlooking. Racing is all about using complex machinery to win. Therefore, the cars are the athletes. Everyone else is there to keep the machine running. Not a sport.
the one good thing about baseball right now is it's going to give us a very good What You Can Expect in a Capless NFL in five to ten years.
Urg. I hope not. I do think the cap will be restored eventually, but I have no idea how long that'll take.
Whoa back that **** up. Where did I say baseball wasn't a sport? Or that baseball players aren't athletes?
I said it's not as intensive on team work as football or basketball or hockey is.
And auto racing is a sport (Nascar? Not so much) it meets every single quantifiable definition of sport. But hey if you want to talk out of your ass to make yourself feel better for liking Roids Needed Sports go right ahead.
Racing and videogames? Two totally different things. What you do every day on the way to work is operate a passenger vehicle. It's not Driving. Driving is physical.
Couple that with the team work needed in order to be competitive and everyone on said team having to be on their Game to win and yeah it's a sport.
Except one small detail you're overlooking. Racing is all about using complex machinery to win. Therefore, the cars are the athletes. Everyone else is there to keep the machine running. Not a sport.
Okay, then baseball isn't a sport and same with any other major league because it uses equipment in order to be played.
Whoa back that **** up. Where did I say baseball wasn't a sport? Or that baseball players aren't athletes?
I said it's not as intensive on team work as football or basketball or hockey is.
And auto racing is a sport (Nascar? Not so much) it meets every single quantifiable definition of sport. But hey if you want to talk out of your ass to make yourself feel better for liking Roids Needed Sports go right ahead.
Racing and videogames? Two totally different things. What you do every day on the way to work is operate a passenger vehicle. It's not Driving. Driving is physical.
Couple that with the team work needed in order to be competitive and everyone on said team having to be on their Game to win and yeah it's a sport.
Okay, then baseball isn't a sport and same with any other major league because it uses equipment in order to be played.
The operative word was "complex". A bat is not a complex machine, neither is a hockey stick, basketball, or any number of SPORTS equipment. And when complex machinery is used it used for the conditioning of the player, a human being who is not a machine. So your analogy is FAIL.
I gaurantee you'll be at least a lap down by the end.
You need a stadium to play the game in which is more complex than the race track.
And you are Fail incarnate for thinking racing isn't a sport. The driver is what makes the car go fast, the pit crew is what keeps the track position. The engineers at the shop build the thing, and simulation test it. The driver's personal trainers get him in good enough shape to handle the gee forces. Something by the way most other pro athletes can't handle very well, oh and to top that off they also have to Endurance train under very hard conditions.
The driver has to practice entrance and exits in corners, brake and throttle control.
What do you think really goes on in a race car Idolis? Mash it to the floor and yank the wheel? and then Jam onthe brakes?
Racing is about the people behind the car. You can have the best car on the field but the worst team (unlikely that will ever happen though because to make the car good the team has to be good in the first place) and you will place dead last or close to it every time.
You can put people in identical cars, built by an independent party and the Best will still rise to the top.
The car is no different to racing than a baseball, bat, glove are to baseball.
And do you really think that the bats the MLB players use is the same one you buy in the store? If so you need to stop drinking the kool aid. Their bats have almost as much engineering behind them as a race car does. The same applies to the gloves as well.
The best batters in the MLB in addition to popping roids also have superior equipment to their counterparts. Better bats hit better and drive the ball farther while shocking the wielder less than a bat you get at even a sports store. Their bats are weighted to the batter's preferences, and their designs are altered slightly in order to better work aerodynamically to the batter's swing.
Lets strip the sponsors away from Racing and see how your "sport" fairs then. Oh yeah, that's right, then all it is is a bunch dudes driving in circles with people watching hoping for a crash. Robot Wars on Steroids, indeed.
And that's not even remotely true about money into an F1 car. The championship last year was won by a Relatively small budget Privateer Team, founded out of the Ruins of a Sucky team the year before. With the runners up being another relatively small budget operation.
Toyota blew more money in a single year than Ferrari did in three and never even hit the double digits in wins. Infact they won only 5 times that I can recall. Infact each time they won it was due to special circumstances like Ferrari, Renault, Mercedes being either taken out in a wreck, mechanical failure, or raining with the combination of the above.
Money isn't everything Idolis. Talent in design and talent in drivers means a whole lot. Toyota had Ralph Shumacer who frankly can't drive his way out of his driveway. And towards the end when they had marginal success Timo Glock, and Kobayashi. (more on the latter than the former)
The big difference? Wasn't even car design changes. It was the Driver.
You also seem to think that you could get into a race car and go win races if they put you in the best ride on the field. Tell you what, we'll go find you a mid 90s Mustang GT and I'll take a Honda Civic Si of about the same year. We'll go pick a road coarse of your choice, and I'll make you look lame sick and sad around the track.
The only thing you have beat is yourself Idolis. Because you really really do have no clue what you are talking about.
In baseball, it's more about the individual player than the other pro sports. Thats all I said. But hey you went and said racing isn't a sport.
You don't have jack Idolis. And you know it. You'll never comprehend it because you seem to think what you do is anything even resembling Driving.
And that's not even remotely true about money into an F1 car. The championship last year was won by a Relatively small budget Privateer Team, founded out of the Ruins of a Sucky team the year before. With the runners up being another relatively small budget operation.
Toyota blew more money in a single year than Ferrari did in three and never even hit the double digits in wins. Infact they won only 5 times that I can recall.
Money isn't everything Idolis. Talent in design and talent in drivers means a whole lot. Toyota had Ralph Shumacer who frankly can't drive his way out of his driveway. And towards the end when they had marginal success Timo Glock, and Kobayashi. (more on the latter than the former)
The big difference? Wasn't even car design changes. It was the Driver.
You also seem to think that you could get into a race car and go win races if they put you in the best ride on the field. Tell you what, we'll go find you a mid 90s Mustang GT and I'll take a Honda Civic Si of about the same year. We'll go pick a road coarse of your choice, and I'll make you look lame sick and sad around the track.
The only thing you have beat is yourself Idolis. Because you really really do have no clue what you are talking about.
Not even close, I never said, "I could do it." What I said was, just because they can does not make them an athlete. They are drivers and the machines do the work. So quit crying.
Tell me Idolis, when's the last time you've seen a car drive by itself on a track?
You can put the best driver in a crappy car, and there's a chance he'll overcome the worst driver in a far superior machine.
If that doesn't say who's doing the work nothing does.
You'd do well to go a Track Day event. Just once to see just how "little" work a driver really does.
I guess I must be a world class athlete because I drive my wife to work everyday, take my Dad to dialysis three days a week, go grocery shopping, make a trip to the lake every now and then. Wow, I never knew.
Do you think they just party all week and sleep and watch tv and then hop in for their "sunday drive"?
As good of shape as I'm in, I've got nothing on most of the top tier F1 drivers. Most of them would make a pro cyclist jealous.
But then the car does all the work right? It's not like the driver has to be able to continously withstand 5 gee loads, under braking and turning, and .5 gs under acceleration or anything. To say nothing of wind resistance being added to that in an open cockpit car.
Oh wait they do.
Oh look it requires a great deal of talent to be really successful on the Professional Level of Racing. (Be it Sports Cars, F1, Karts, Drag Racers)
Oh look they have to have the support of a team in order to win and compete as well.
Oh and it takes some serious athleticism inorder to be competive.
Looks like a sport, and acts like one to me.
It's a sport you don't like (and seem to hate with a burning passion) but that doesn't mean it's not a sport.
Please go ahead. It shouldn't be hard for you. After all the car does everything for you.
You know nothing about picking a Line. You'd more likely go flying off the track because guess what you lack. The Talent in order to drive the car.
That car that can pull a 4 g turn? Isn't going to make the corner without someone that knows what the hell they are doing piloting it.
And that car isn't going to be putting tires on by itself, and fueling itself.
What did you try racing at one point only to be laughed off the track because of how hard you suck? And now you hold it against Racing and anyone that does it so you can say "they aren't athletes!".
You have done absolutely nothing to prove me wrong. The only thing you have done is state that the car does all the work and drives itself.
Which has been demonstrably proven WRONG by not just me but by the Races themselves.
Where as in the Joke League, you just get an asterisk by your name.
the other difference of course between the NFL and the Joke of Pro Sport MLB (and anyone that likes it is a joke too) is when someone gets nabbed with PEDS in football they usually don't get their records.
Where as in the Joke League, you just get an asterisk by your name.
Sad, just sad. You can't disprove my arguments about racing so you call me a joke. Yep, I guess being a joke is better than being a LOSER.
So I'm handling you like I handle everyone else that can't see reality for what it is. Loser I might be, but at least I'm not a total joke that can't even keep his trap shut when speaking about things he knows nothing about.
People like you are only good for one thing, and that's to be mocked and laughed at.
Oh wait, it's because you honestly think that you have said anything or proved anything. I mean really the most you've done is derail a thread about Football. Because you can't take the fact that jokeball and it's fans aren't America's past time anymore. Get over it the better sports have taken over.
I wash my hands of you. Because unlike you and your Roid Popping Loud Mouth Heroes I know how to be a Man.
End of discussion.
Coward. Pure and simple.
Or that you'll come after me with your baseball bat. Or your gun or your knife.
If you were so utterly thick, as to continue on your little shenanigans in real life like you have thus far I WOULD call you a joke to your face.
I would Dare talk to you that way because that's what you are. A Joke. Infact I'd do it on National Television with millions watching.
Anonymity means nothing to me Idolis.
I call em like I see em. And I'm not the least bit afraid of defending my opinions. Or myself or those that I care for. So who's the coward? Because it's not me.
I wish we COULD be face to face right now. So I could call you a joke to your face. You think you are so witty and clever, sitting there behind your screen calling other people cowards. Or with your shallow attempts at bullying people.
I just want you to be absolutely certain that you don't scare me. You're not better than me and you never will be.
I'm not better than you, but you are worse than me. You went spoiling for a fight, and now you are complaining that you're in one.
the other difference of course between the NFL and the Joke of Pro Sport MLB (and anyone that likes it is a joke too) is when someone gets nabbed with PEDS in football they usually don't get their records.
So they are taking away Cushing's stats for the season? I haven't heard that. The only think I heard was that they are revoting on a non-NFL award. The defensive rookie of the year is an AP award which the NFL is not involved in.
I also am pretty sure they didn't update record books concerning previous players who were caught (or admitted to) doing steriods like Stumblefield (?) from the Niners in the 90s (he's the first player that came to my mind). So yeah, you get to keep your records in the NFL just like the MLB. You just don't get to keep an award which is determined by members of the press.
From this and other sources it sounds like The Favre is coming back for another round and it's all but set in stone.
www.startribune.com/sports/vikings/94708...
From this and other sources it sounds like The Favre is coming back for another round and it's all but set in stone.
Yep, heard it on the radio and its good news for the Vikings. In other news, the Williams' Wall will be playing this season. It is alleged that Pat and Kevin Williams took a banned diaretic back in 2008. There was a suspension planned but it was ruled that they can play until the appeals process is exhausted. There are three layers to the appeals process so it could be years before they actually have to sit out a few games.
Yep, heard it on the radio and its good news for the Vikings. In other news, the Williams' Wall will be playing this season. It is alleged that Pat and Kevin Williams took a banned diaretic back in 2008. There was a suspension planned but it was ruled that they can play until the appeals process is exhausted. There are three layers to the appeals process so it could be years before they actually have to sit out a few games.
There's nothing 'alleged' about it. They popped for it and copped to it, they just argued that they were ignorant that the substance was part of the Star Caps product. In other words, they're shifting blame to the manufacturer. I really don't care if they ever get suspended, to tell you the truth. I mean, I actually believe that they didn't know it was in the stuff. It's not like they popped before or since (that we know about, at least), you know? So it seems perfectly reasonable to me that they were just victims of ignorance. I could be wrong, but that's the impression I'm left with.
As far as Favre is concerned, I hope he does come back and I hope he wins it all again. He's a drama queen d-bag, sure, but he is one of the greatest all time and you just don't get to see many players of that caliber all that often. Plus, I'm a fan. Not of his drama, but of his ablility and on-field style (though that gunslinger stuff can sure bite a team on the ass). Oh yeah, and they also got robbed last year in that Saints game. Like, totally f'd in the A.
Seriously, rigged by Officials.
I watch football because usually it's one of the least biased sports I watch. Most of the time the better team will win out (and the Vikes almost did anyway despite the "officiating" going on). The Sanctioning Body doesn't Actively Interfere with the competition generally.
And when they do it's so bloody obvious. That people get incensed beyond words.
And the best team doesn't always win in football. That's part of the "any given Sunday" mantra. Elite teams lose to bad teams all the time. In addition, the playoffs are one and done so a bad day (see the Vikings or the Colts) and you lose to an inferior team.
I would also say football is one of the poorest officiated sports I watch. Their instant reply system is a joke. The refs routinely blunder calls and the system isn't designed to fix it; its there for "added strategy". Honestly, there's been games when the refs will make the wrong call AFTER its been reviewed.
Football is a great sport, but let's not be blind to its faults.
And for Favre, I used to like him, but I guess I've been rubbed the wrong way recently. He's a great player and all, but its hard to root for him. And he's already won a Superbowl so he's okay there.
If he came back, I'd be happy. If he didn't, no biggie. He's done ... well, everything. The Vikes had a few turnovers, sure. But that's no reason that a BS pass interference call and missed holding calls and ... should determine the game. Oh, and a terrible OT system, too. If you lose cuz of your turnovers, fine. If you have turnovers and still have a shot at winning because you fought back into it and the refs take you out of the game, bad.
(and we Cats fans know how bad that system is more so than alot of other high end teams. Our teams Nickname in their SB year was the Cardiac Cats. Because of just how many last minute turnarounds they did, and OTs)
I did not watch the game, but yeah, NFL refs are the worst. They really should focus on fixing that instead of problems no one cares about (like NFL players being scumbags). Roger Goodell needs to address real issues to the league.
They need to completely redo the instant replay system. In addition, I would look into technology which would help with calls. For example, they should add some sort of sensor so 4th and 1 with a giant pile of bodies can actually be called with some accuracy. And there's seriously no excuse for not having a high frame rate camera down every important line.
Anyway, I'm going to stop complaining about the NFL now.
Also, I wonder what type of stuff there is to do at the Superbowl for the weeks beforehand. While I have no dillusions about actually going to doing anything awesome, it might be cool to go to public events and see lots of top players and all that jazz.
So I'm pretty excited about it.
Wow what made em pick there?
I also think it hurts some teams and favors others. Some of these teams train in the cold etc.
Do you think they just party all week and sleep and watch tv and then hop in for their "sunday drive"?
As good of shape as I'm in, I've got nothing on most of the top tier F1 drivers. Most of them would make a pro cyclist jealous.
But then the car does all the work right? It's not like the driver has to be able to continously withstand 5 gee loads, under braking and turning, and .5 gs under acceleration or anything. To say nothing of wind resistance being added to that in an open cockpit car.
Oh wait they do.
Oh look it requires a great deal of talent to be really successful on the Professional Level of Racing. (Be it Sports Cars, F1, Karts, Drag Racers)
Oh look they have to have the support of a team in order to win and compete as well.
Oh and it takes some serious athleticism inorder to be competive.
Looks like a sport, and acts like one to me.
It's a sport you don't like (and seem to hate with a burning passion) but that doesn't mean it's not a sport.
Please go ahead. It shouldn't be hard for you. After all the car does everything for you.
You know nothing about picking a Line. You'd more likely go flying off the track because guess what you lack. The Talent in order to drive the car.
That car that can pull a 4 g turn? Isn't going to make the corner without someone that knows what the hell they are doing piloting it.
And that car isn't going to be putting tires on by itself, and fueling itself.
What did you try racing at one point only to be laughed off the track because of how hard you suck? And now you hold it against Racing and anyone that does it so you can say "they aren't athletes!".
You have done absolutely nothing to prove me wrong. The only thing you have done is state that the car does all the work and drives itself.
Which has been demonstrably proven WRONG by not just me but by the Races themselves.
Where as in the Joke League, you just get an asterisk by your name.
the other difference of course between the NFL and the Joke of Pro Sport MLB (and anyone that likes it is a joke too) is when someone gets nabbed with PEDS in football they usually don't get their records.
Where as in the Joke League, you just get an asterisk by your name.
Sad, just sad. You can't disprove my arguments about racing so you call me a joke. Yep, I guess being a joke is better than being a LOSER.
So I'm handling you like I handle everyone else that can't see reality for what it is. Loser I might be, but at least I'm not a total joke that can't even keep his trap shut when speaking about things he knows nothing about.
People like you are only good for one thing, and that's to be mocked and laughed at.
Oh wait, it's because you honestly think that you have said anything or proved anything. I mean really the most you've done is derail a thread about Football. Because you can't take the fact that jokeball and it's fans aren't America's past time anymore. Get over it the better sports have taken over.
I wash my hands of you. Because unlike you and your Roid Popping Loud Mouth Heroes I know how to be a Man.
End of discussion.
Coward. Pure and simple.
Or that you'll come after me with your baseball bat. Or your gun or your knife.
If you were so utterly thick, as to continue on your little shenanigans in real life like you have thus far I WOULD call you a joke to your face.
I would Dare talk to you that way because that's what you are. A Joke. Infact I'd do it on National Television with millions watching.
Anonymity means nothing to me Idolis.
I call em like I see em. And I'm not the least bit afraid of defending my opinions. Or myself or those that I care for. So who's the coward? Because it's not me.
I wish we COULD be face to face right now. So I could call you a joke to your face. You think you are so witty and clever, sitting there behind your screen calling other people cowards. Or with your shallow attempts at bullying people.
I just want you to be absolutely certain that you don't scare me. You're not better than me and you never will be.
I'm not better than you, but you are worse than me. You went spoiling for a fight, and now you are complaining that you're in one.
the other difference of course between the NFL and the Joke of Pro Sport MLB (and anyone that likes it is a joke too) is when someone gets nabbed with PEDS in football they usually don't get their records.
So they are taking away Cushing's stats for the season? I haven't heard that. The only think I heard was that they are revoting on a non-NFL award. The defensive rookie of the year is an AP award which the NFL is not involved in.
I also am pretty sure they didn't update record books concerning previous players who were caught (or admitted to) doing steriods like Stumblefield (?) from the Niners in the 90s (he's the first player that came to my mind). So yeah, you get to keep your records in the NFL just like the MLB. You just don't get to keep an award which is determined by members of the press.
From this and other sources it sounds like The Favre is coming back for another round and it's all but set in stone.
www.startribune.com/sports/vikings/94708...
From this and other sources it sounds like The Favre is coming back for another round and it's all but set in stone.
Yep, heard it on the radio and its good news for the Vikings. In other news, the Williams' Wall will be playing this season. It is alleged that Pat and Kevin Williams took a banned diaretic back in 2008. There was a suspension planned but it was ruled that they can play until the appeals process is exhausted. There are three layers to the appeals process so it could be years before they actually have to sit out a few games.
Yep, heard it on the radio and its good news for the Vikings. In other news, the Williams' Wall will be playing this season. It is alleged that Pat and Kevin Williams took a banned diaretic back in 2008. There was a suspension planned but it was ruled that they can play until the appeals process is exhausted. There are three layers to the appeals process so it could be years before they actually have to sit out a few games.
There's nothing 'alleged' about it. They popped for it and copped to it, they just argued that they were ignorant that the substance was part of the Star Caps product. In other words, they're shifting blame to the manufacturer. I really don't care if they ever get suspended, to tell you the truth. I mean, I actually believe that they didn't know it was in the stuff. It's not like they popped before or since (that we know about, at least), you know? So it seems perfectly reasonable to me that they were just victims of ignorance. I could be wrong, but that's the impression I'm left with.
As far as Favre is concerned, I hope he does come back and I hope he wins it all again. He's a drama queen d-bag, sure, but he is one of the greatest all time and you just don't get to see many players of that caliber all that often. Plus, I'm a fan. Not of his drama, but of his ablility and on-field style (though that gunslinger stuff can sure bite a team on the ass). Oh yeah, and they also got robbed last year in that Saints game. Like, totally f'd in the A.
Seriously, rigged by Officials.
I watch football because usually it's one of the least biased sports I watch. Most of the time the better team will win out (and the Vikes almost did anyway despite the "officiating" going on). The Sanctioning Body doesn't Actively Interfere with the competition generally.
And when they do it's so bloody obvious. That people get incensed beyond words.
And the best team doesn't always win in football. That's part of the "any given Sunday" mantra. Elite teams lose to bad teams all the time. In addition, the playoffs are one and done so a bad day (see the Vikings or the Colts) and you lose to an inferior team.
I would also say football is one of the poorest officiated sports I watch. Their instant reply system is a joke. The refs routinely blunder calls and the system isn't designed to fix it; its there for "added strategy". Honestly, there's been games when the refs will make the wrong call AFTER its been reviewed.
Football is a great sport, but let's not be blind to its faults.
And for Favre, I used to like him, but I guess I've been rubbed the wrong way recently. He's a great player and all, but its hard to root for him. And he's already won a Superbowl so he's okay there.
If he came back, I'd be happy. If he didn't, no biggie. He's done ... well, everything. The Vikes had a few turnovers, sure. But that's no reason that a BS pass interference call and missed holding calls and ... should determine the game. Oh, and a terrible OT system, too. If you lose cuz of your turnovers, fine. If you have turnovers and still have a shot at winning because you fought back into it and the refs take you out of the game, bad.
(and we Cats fans know how bad that system is more so than alot of other high end teams. Our teams Nickname in their SB year was the Cardiac Cats. Because of just how many last minute turnarounds they did, and OTs)
I did not watch the game, but yeah, NFL refs are the worst. They really should focus on fixing that instead of problems no one cares about (like NFL players being scumbags). Roger Goodell needs to address real issues to the league.
They need to completely redo the instant replay system. In addition, I would look into technology which would help with calls. For example, they should add some sort of sensor so 4th and 1 with a giant pile of bodies can actually be called with some accuracy. And there's seriously no excuse for not having a high frame rate camera down every important line.
Anyway, I'm going to stop complaining about the NFL now.
Also, I wonder what type of stuff there is to do at the Superbowl for the weeks beforehand. While I have no dillusions about actually going to doing anything awesome, it might be cool to go to public events and see lots of top players and all that jazz.
So I'm pretty excited about it.
Wow what made em pick there?
I also think it hurts some teams and favors others. Some of these teams train in the cold etc.
Do you think they just party all week and sleep and watch tv and then hop in for their "sunday drive"?
As good of shape as I'm in, I've got nothing on most of the top tier F1 drivers. Most of them would make a pro cyclist jealous.
But then the car does all the work right? It's not like the driver has to be able to continously withstand 5 gee loads, under braking and turning, and .5 gs under acceleration or anything. To say nothing of wind resistance being added to that in an open cockpit car.
Oh wait they do.
Oh look it requires a great deal of talent to be really successful on the Professional Level of Racing. (Be it Sports Cars, F1, Karts, Drag Racers)
Oh look they have to have the support of a team in order to win and compete as well.
Oh and it takes some serious athleticism inorder to be competive.
Looks like a sport, and acts like one to me.
It's a sport you don't like (and seem to hate with a burning passion) but that doesn't mean it's not a sport.
Please go ahead. It shouldn't be hard for you. After all the car does everything for you.
You know nothing about picking a Line. You'd more likely go flying off the track because guess what you lack. The Talent in order to drive the car.
That car that can pull a 4 g turn? Isn't going to make the corner without someone that knows what the hell they are doing piloting it.
And that car isn't going to be putting tires on by itself, and fueling itself.
What did you try racing at one point only to be laughed off the track because of how hard you suck? And now you hold it against Racing and anyone that does it so you can say "they aren't athletes!".
You have done absolutely nothing to prove me wrong. The only thing you have done is state that the car does all the work and drives itself.
Which has been demonstrably proven WRONG by not just me but by the Races themselves.
Where as in the Joke League, you just get an asterisk by your name.
the other difference of course between the NFL and the Joke of Pro Sport MLB (and anyone that likes it is a joke too) is when someone gets nabbed with PEDS in football they usually don't get their records.
Where as in the Joke League, you just get an asterisk by your name.
Sad, just sad. You can't disprove my arguments about racing so you call me a joke. Yep, I guess being a joke is better than being a LOSER.
So I'm handling you like I handle everyone else that can't see reality for what it is. Loser I might be, but at least I'm not a total joke that can't even keep his trap shut when speaking about things he knows nothing about.
People like you are only good for one thing, and that's to be mocked and laughed at.
Oh wait, it's because you honestly think that you have said anything or proved anything. I mean really the most you've done is derail a thread about Football. Because you can't take the fact that jokeball and it's fans aren't America's past time anymore. Get over it the better sports have taken over.
I wash my hands of you. Because unlike you and your Roid Popping Loud Mouth Heroes I know how to be a Man.
End of discussion.
Coward. Pure and simple.
Or that you'll come after me with your baseball bat. Or your gun or your knife.
If you were so utterly thick, as to continue on your little shenanigans in real life like you have thus far I WOULD call you a joke to your face.
I would Dare talk to you that way because that's what you are. A Joke. Infact I'd do it on National Television with millions watching.
Anonymity means nothing to me Idolis.
I call em like I see em. And I'm not the least bit afraid of defending my opinions. Or myself or those that I care for. So who's the coward? Because it's not me.
I wish we COULD be face to face right now. So I could call you a joke to your face. You think you are so witty and clever, sitting there behind your screen calling other people cowards. Or with your shallow attempts at bullying people.
I just want you to be absolutely certain that you don't scare me. You're not better than me and you never will be.
I'm not better than you, but you are worse than me. You went spoiling for a fight, and now you are complaining that you're in one.
the other difference of course between the NFL and the Joke of Pro Sport MLB (and anyone that likes it is a joke too) is when someone gets nabbed with PEDS in football they usually don't get their records.
So they are taking away Cushing's stats for the season? I haven't heard that. The only think I heard was that they are revoting on a non-NFL award. The defensive rookie of the year is an AP award which the NFL is not involved in.
I also am pretty sure they didn't update record books concerning previous players who were caught (or admitted to) doing steriods like Stumblefield (?) from the Niners in the 90s (he's the first player that came to my mind). So yeah, you get to keep your records in the NFL just like the MLB. You just don't get to keep an award which is determined by members of the press.
From this and other sources it sounds like The Favre is coming back for another round and it's all but set in stone.
www.startribune.com/sports/vikings/94708...
From this and other sources it sounds like The Favre is coming back for another round and it's all but set in stone.
Yep, heard it on the radio and its good news for the Vikings. In other news, the Williams' Wall will be playing this season. It is alleged that Pat and Kevin Williams took a banned diaretic back in 2008. There was a suspension planned but it was ruled that they can play until the appeals process is exhausted. There are three layers to the appeals process so it could be years before they actually have to sit out a few games.
Yep, heard it on the radio and its good news for the Vikings. In other news, the Williams' Wall will be playing this season. It is alleged that Pat and Kevin Williams took a banned diaretic back in 2008. There was a suspension planned but it was ruled that they can play until the appeals process is exhausted. There are three layers to the appeals process so it could be years before they actually have to sit out a few games.
There's nothing 'alleged' about it. They popped for it and copped to it, they just argued that they were ignorant that the substance was part of the Star Caps product. In other words, they're shifting blame to the manufacturer. I really don't care if they ever get suspended, to tell you the truth. I mean, I actually believe that they didn't know it was in the stuff. It's not like they popped before or since (that we know about, at least), you know? So it seems perfectly reasonable to me that they were just victims of ignorance. I could be wrong, but that's the impression I'm left with.
As far as Favre is concerned, I hope he does come back and I hope he wins it all again. He's a drama queen d-bag, sure, but he is one of the greatest all time and you just don't get to see many players of that caliber all that often. Plus, I'm a fan. Not of his drama, but of his ablility and on-field style (though that gunslinger stuff can sure bite a team on the ass). Oh yeah, and they also got robbed last year in that Saints game. Like, totally f'd in the A.
Seriously, rigged by Officials.
I watch football because usually it's one of the least biased sports I watch. Most of the time the better team will win out (and the Vikes almost did anyway despite the "officiating" going on). The Sanctioning Body doesn't Actively Interfere with the competition generally.
And when they do it's so bloody obvious. That people get incensed beyond words.
And the best team doesn't always win in football. That's part of the "any given Sunday" mantra. Elite teams lose to bad teams all the time. In addition, the playoffs are one and done so a bad day (see the Vikings or the Colts) and you lose to an inferior team.
I would also say football is one of the poorest officiated sports I watch. Their instant reply system is a joke. The refs routinely blunder calls and the system isn't designed to fix it; its there for "added strategy". Honestly, there's been games when the refs will make the wrong call AFTER its been reviewed.
Football is a great sport, but let's not be blind to its faults.
And for Favre, I used to like him, but I guess I've been rubbed the wrong way recently. He's a great player and all, but its hard to root for him. And he's already won a Superbowl so he's okay there.
If he came back, I'd be happy. If he didn't, no biggie. He's done ... well, everything. The Vikes had a few turnovers, sure. But that's no reason that a BS pass interference call and missed holding calls and ... should determine the game. Oh, and a terrible OT system, too. If you lose cuz of your turnovers, fine. If you have turnovers and still have a shot at winning because you fought back into it and the refs take you out of the game, bad.
(and we Cats fans know how bad that system is more so than alot of other high end teams. Our teams Nickname in their SB year was the Cardiac Cats. Because of just how many last minute turnarounds they did, and OTs)
I did not watch the game, but yeah, NFL refs are the worst. They really should focus on fixing that instead of problems no one cares about (like NFL players being scumbags). Roger Goodell needs to address real issues to the league.
They need to completely redo the instant replay system. In addition, I would look into technology which would help with calls. For example, they should add some sort of sensor so 4th and 1 with a giant pile of bodies can actually be called with some accuracy. And there's seriously no excuse for not having a high frame rate camera down every important line.
Anyway, I'm going to stop complaining about the NFL now.
Also, I wonder what type of stuff there is to do at the Superbowl for the weeks beforehand. While I have no dillusions about actually going to doing anything awesome, it might be cool to go to public events and see lots of top players and all that jazz.
So I'm pretty excited about it.
Wow what made em pick there?
I also think it hurts some teams and favors others. Some of these teams train in the cold etc.
Do you think they just party all week and sleep and watch tv and then hop in for their "sunday drive"?
As good of shape as I'm in, I've got nothing on most of the top tier F1 drivers. Most of them would make a pro cyclist jealous.
But then the car does all the work right? It's not like the driver has to be able to continously withstand 5 gee loads, under braking and turning, and .5 gs under acceleration or anything. To say nothing of wind resistance being added to that in an open cockpit car.
Oh wait they do.
Oh look it requires a great deal of talent to be really successful on the Professional Level of Racing. (Be it Sports Cars, F1, Karts, Drag Racers)
Oh look they have to have the support of a team in order to win and compete as well.
Oh and it takes some serious athleticism inorder to be competive.
Looks like a sport, and acts like one to me.
It's a sport you don't like (and seem to hate with a burning passion) but that doesn't mean it's not a sport.
Please go ahead. It shouldn't be hard for you. After all the car does everything for you.
You know nothing about picking a Line. You'd more likely go flying off the track because guess what you lack. The Talent in order to drive the car.
That car that can pull a 4 g turn? Isn't going to make the corner without someone that knows what the hell they are doing piloting it.
And that car isn't going to be putting tires on by itself, and fueling itself.
What did you try racing at one point only to be laughed off the track because of how hard you suck? And now you hold it against Racing and anyone that does it so you can say "they aren't athletes!".
You have done absolutely nothing to prove me wrong. The only thing you have done is state that the car does all the work and drives itself.
Which has been demonstrably proven WRONG by not just me but by the Races themselves.
Where as in the Joke League, you just get an asterisk by your name.
the other difference of course between the NFL and the Joke of Pro Sport MLB (and anyone that likes it is a joke too) is when someone gets nabbed with PEDS in football they usually don't get their records.
Where as in the Joke League, you just get an asterisk by your name.
Sad, just sad. You can't disprove my arguments about racing so you call me a joke. Yep, I guess being a joke is better than being a LOSER.
So I'm handling you like I handle everyone else that can't see reality for what it is. Loser I might be, but at least I'm not a total joke that can't even keep his trap shut when speaking about things he knows nothing about.
People like you are only good for one thing, and that's to be mocked and laughed at.
Oh wait, it's because you honestly think that you have said anything or proved anything. I mean really the most you've done is derail a thread about Football. Because you can't take the fact that jokeball and it's fans aren't America's past time anymore. Get over it the better sports have taken over.
I wash my hands of you. Because unlike you and your Roid Popping Loud Mouth Heroes I know how to be a Man.
End of discussion.
Coward. Pure and simple.
Or that you'll come after me with your baseball bat. Or your gun or your knife.
If you were so utterly thick, as to continue on your little shenanigans in real life like you have thus far I WOULD call you a joke to your face.
I would Dare talk to you that way because that's what you are. A Joke. Infact I'd do it on National Television with millions watching.
Anonymity means nothing to me Idolis.
I call em like I see em. And I'm not the least bit afraid of defending my opinions. Or myself or those that I care for. So who's the coward? Because it's not me.
I wish we COULD be face to face right now. So I could call you a joke to your face. You think you are so witty and clever, sitting there behind your screen calling other people cowards. Or with your shallow attempts at bullying people.
I just want you to be absolutely certain that you don't scare me. You're not better than me and you never will be.
I'm not better than you, but you are worse than me. You went spoiling for a fight, and now you are complaining that you're in one.
the other difference of course between the NFL and the Joke of Pro Sport MLB (and anyone that likes it is a joke too) is when someone gets nabbed with PEDS in football they usually don't get their records.
So they are taking away Cushing's stats for the season? I haven't heard that. The only think I heard was that they are revoting on a non-NFL award. The defensive rookie of the year is an AP award which the NFL is not involved in.
I also am pretty sure they didn't update record books concerning previous players who were caught (or admitted to) doing steriods like Stumblefield (?) from the Niners in the 90s (he's the first player that came to my mind). So yeah, you get to keep your records in the NFL just like the MLB. You just don't get to keep an award which is determined by members of the press.
From this and other sources it sounds like The Favre is coming back for another round and it's all but set in stone.
www.startribune.com/sports/vikings/94708...
From this and other sources it sounds like The Favre is coming back for another round and it's all but set in stone.
Yep, heard it on the radio and its good news for the Vikings. In other news, the Williams' Wall will be playing this season. It is alleged that Pat and Kevin Williams took a banned diaretic back in 2008. There was a suspension planned but it was ruled that they can play until the appeals process is exhausted. There are three layers to the appeals process so it could be years before they actually have to sit out a few games.
Yep, heard it on the radio and its good news for the Vikings. In other news, the Williams' Wall will be playing this season. It is alleged that Pat and Kevin Williams took a banned diaretic back in 2008. There was a suspension planned but it was ruled that they can play until the appeals process is exhausted. There are three layers to the appeals process so it could be years before they actually have to sit out a few games.
There's nothing 'alleged' about it. They popped for it and copped to it, they just argued that they were ignorant that the substance was part of the Star Caps product. In other words, they're shifting blame to the manufacturer. I really don't care if they ever get suspended, to tell you the truth. I mean, I actually believe that they didn't know it was in the stuff. It's not like they popped before or since (that we know about, at least), you know? So it seems perfectly reasonable to me that they were just victims of ignorance. I could be wrong, but that's the impression I'm left with.
As far as Favre is concerned, I hope he does come back and I hope he wins it all again. He's a drama queen d-bag, sure, but he is one of the greatest all time and you just don't get to see many players of that caliber all that often. Plus, I'm a fan. Not of his drama, but of his ablility and on-field style (though that gunslinger stuff can sure bite a team on the ass). Oh yeah, and they also got robbed last year in that Saints game. Like, totally f'd in the A.
Seriously, rigged by Officials.
I watch football because usually it's one of the least biased sports I watch. Most of the time the better team will win out (and the Vikes almost did anyway despite the "officiating" going on). The Sanctioning Body doesn't Actively Interfere with the competition generally.
And when they do it's so bloody obvious. That people get incensed beyond words.
And the best team doesn't always win in football. That's part of the "any given Sunday" mantra. Elite teams lose to bad teams all the time. In addition, the playoffs are one and done so a bad day (see the Vikings or the Colts) and you lose to an inferior team.
I would also say football is one of the poorest officiated sports I watch. Their instant reply system is a joke. The refs routinely blunder calls and the system isn't designed to fix it; its there for "added strategy". Honestly, there's been games when the refs will make the wrong call AFTER its been reviewed.
Football is a great sport, but let's not be blind to its faults.
And for Favre, I used to like him, but I guess I've been rubbed the wrong way recently. He's a great player and all, but its hard to root for him. And he's already won a Superbowl so he's okay there.
If he came back, I'd be happy. If he didn't, no biggie. He's done ... well, everything. The Vikes had a few turnovers, sure. But that's no reason that a BS pass interference call and missed holding calls and ... should determine the game. Oh, and a terrible OT system, too. If you lose cuz of your turnovers, fine. If you have turnovers and still have a shot at winning because you fought back into it and the refs take you out of the game, bad.
(and we Cats fans know how bad that system is more so than alot of other high end teams. Our teams Nickname in their SB year was the Cardiac Cats. Because of just how many last minute turnarounds they did, and OTs)
I did not watch the game, but yeah, NFL refs are the worst. They really should focus on fixing that instead of problems no one cares about (like NFL players being scumbags). Roger Goodell needs to address real issues to the league.
They need to completely redo the instant replay system. In addition, I would look into technology which would help with calls. For example, they should add some sort of sensor so 4th and 1 with a giant pile of bodies can actually be called with some accuracy. And there's seriously no excuse for not having a high frame rate camera down every important line.
Anyway, I'm going to stop complaining about the NFL now.
Also, I wonder what type of stuff there is to do at the Superbowl for the weeks beforehand. While I have no dillusions about actually going to doing anything awesome, it might be cool to go to public events and see lots of top players and all that jazz.
So I'm pretty excited about it.
Wow what made em pick there?
I also think it hurts some teams and favors others. Some of these teams train in the cold etc.