We will probably need a few players to round out our games and at this point in my life, I'd feel a bit odd chumming around online with anyone under the age of 18 and even 18 year olds get on my nerves anymore. Yes, I know. I have offended you 18 year olds, but I remember being 18 and you haven't been 39 yet so you will agree with me when you reach my age, lol.
Anyhow, send me a note if you need someone and have a key for the table.
This has been a debate that keeps on popping its ugly head up here and there. "The Benefits or Flaws of Younger (1st Level) Players". *sigh* We were all 18 or younger once. And, to be honest, I have learned allot from my gaming friends who were 10+ years older than me when I was a teen player. Can't we all just, get along! LOL
BTW, 33 yo here.
Bel
52 here, got a regular group that may divide over the 4E/3E thing, been playing on and off since the original box set in '77.
Now THAT's a bummer!
I'm only 35. Am I too young?
LOL
Well, lets see when did you start playing? I started at 16ish, so being 33, I'm way too young cause I never grew up. LOL
Die young (at heart)!
The only difference between 18 year olds and 38 year olds is that 38 year olds seem to have this weird notion that they're different...
Mainly in what we like in music I think, as most 18 yr olds think rap and hip is music and me I think its horrible noise. As far as gaming I dont care about age.
The only difference between 18 year olds and 38 year olds is that 38 year olds seem to have this weird notion that they're different...
Lets hear from you after you turn 30, k? LOL
Don't expect to see the gametable till next year some time. This is WotC we are talking about. Remember E-Tools?
The folks I play with now are quite split on 4e/older versions of the game. Heck some of us still occasionally play using the old Rules Cyclopedia! Now if only I could find what I did with my Immortals Rules set!
Looks like for most of the upcoming games I play in, 4e will not be run (the GMs either don't like it/prefer PFRPG or 3.5, or want to run something else that is not DnD), though I am looking at running some kind of 4e game myself at some point (once I get done with the house rules/additions to the game).
Mainly in what we like in music I think, as most 18 yr olds think rap and hip is music and me I think its horrible noise. As far as gaming I dont care about age.
I like rock and classical =)
Lets hear from you after you turn 30, k? LOL
And if I didn't make my age public knowledge, I doubt you'd have any idea how old I am. Not using such expressions as "K" and "LOL" I imagine most people would assume I'm older than you.
That's just my point, you assume I'm different because you know I'm younger, rather than assuming I'm younger because you know through observation that I act differently.
Though I'm certainly not suggesting it was somehow offensive, I think your argument here qualifies as an ad hominem abusive fallacy.
And if I didn't make my age public knowledge, I doubt you'd have any idea how old I am. Not using such expressions as "K" and "LOL" I imagine most people would assume I'm older than you.
That's just my point, you assume I'm different because you know I'm younger, rather than assuming I'm younger because you know through observation that I act differently.
Though I'm certainly not suggesting it was somehow offensive, I think your argument here qualifies as an ad hominem abusive fallacy.
ROFL! Actually the first post you made in this thread was a tipoff. And i wasn't attacking either you OR your argument, i was saying you have no idea what you are talking about so maybe you might wanna wait a few years before you announce to the world (and this is true, unless you've been 31+ and haven't told me about it).
And who says you're NOT older than me. ;)
Don't tell me how to type, either. Talk about ad hominim.
Either way, it's not an ad hominem abusive because it was quite relative to, and I believe illustrative of, my point, and thus not a fallacy.
You assume personal experience is required to comment on such things, I disagree. I'm of the opinion that arguments (in the general sense) stand quite independent of the people giving them, and for this particular argument vicarious knowledge is perfectly satisfactory. With this specific question I argue that knowledge of psychology and philosophy are far more relevant than first hand experience.
If I'm too young to talk about age, am I too white to talk about minority issues?
Don't get me wrong, I'm not taking this nearly as seriously as you probably think I am.
You see, I really do enjoy debate, and this has turned into an unexpectedly enjoyable one. I'd love it if you'd attack my ideas, but I believe they are well constructed and sound, and "you haven't been there, how could you know what you're talking about?" just isn't going to cut it. Give me a real argument.
Socrates would not be terribly impressed with your current one :P
I am 39, and decided to try D&D again with my old buds with the hope that we can use the online game table and tools to revive our old group. Just curious, any other older players like me out here?
We will probably need a few players to round out our games and at this point in my life, I'd feel a bit odd chumming around online with anyone under the age of 18 and even 18 year olds get on my nerves anymore. Yes, I know. I have offended you 18 year olds, but I remember being 18 and you haven't been 39 yet so you will agree with me when you reach my age, lol.
37 here 38 on sept 3 been playing since 6th grade
I haven't played DnD for almost 8 years, but 4th edition has me interested. I don't mind playing with younger players, but sometimes immaturity will frustrate me quickly. Although, the hobby being what it is, you sometimes get that from the older players as well.
You can tell I’m ancient (in mind set anyways) because I don’t understand most of the internet slang, or why people have to spell the wrong! Oh and I sort have this issue with smilies.
Never done the online gaming thing, not likely to.
As for music, aren’t Beasty Boys rap? I remember them getting in trouble for promoting the idea of nicking VW signs – See told you I was old!
And I say this with all due lightheartedness, Subedei you seem like a great guy, but it was apparent from the beginning that you were not an old guy. Another fogie mentioned he could tell from your first post in the thread. Here's how:
One difference between an 18yo and a 37yo is the 18yo gets offended and defensive when someone infers he is 18. He winds up taking up around 25% of the total text space in a thread devoted to simply asking how many people are old fogies. Meanwhile, the 37yo simply gets delighted when someone infers he is 18.
But sadly, marriage, kids, work etc all get in the way and half of them don't talk to the other half any more.
I'll be lucky to get a bi-monthly session with more than 3 players.
A far cry from the heady old days of the early 90's when 8 of us would play for 10 hours straight every sunday....
And I'm the youngest in my D&D group. The oldest is about to turn 40.
We still manage to have fun. Though we're playing Scion as a lark at the moment.
I'm 37 and proud to say I've been playing D&D since the 6th grade. Over half my gaming group is older than me! And I wish I was 18 again...
And I say this with all due lightheartedness, Subedei you seem like a great guy, but it was apparent from the beginning that you were not an old guy. Another fogie mentioned he could tell from your first post in the thread. Here's how:
One difference between an 18yo and a 37yo is the 18yo gets offended and defensive when someone infers he is 18. He winds up taking up around 25% of the total text space in a thread devoted to simply asking how many people are old fogies. Meanwhile, the 37yo simply gets delighted when someone infers he is 18.
Guess I messed up then ;) When I was 12-13 people seemed to regularly mistake me for mid 30's to early 40's. Now in my early twenties, it seems most people pin me at 30's. I'm pretty people will generally assume I'm in my 30's when I actually am in my 30's, when I hit my 40's, my 50's, and perhaps even my 60's. That's just my personality. I wasn't trying to be defensive, simply pointing out (and apparently failing) that mental age is distinct from physical age, and largely psychological.
There are cultural artifacts, and thus cultures connected with certain generations, sure, but the majority of culture is actually pretty timeless. I see people in their 40s that seem culturally in the 80's, the 90's seem to have made a far larger impression on others, and others remain quite contemporary and connected with what I suppose you'd call "youth culture." For a rather extreme example I take martial arts classes with a 60 year old man who's a huge fan of anime and sci fi, so much so that he goes to conventions. A good friend of mine looks to be in his mid 20's, acts like he's in his mid 20's, dates women in their mid 20's, talks like he's in his mid 20's and is actually turning 45 this year I believe.
If psychology and neuroscience of anything to say about this, it is that age is largely environmental, and that temporal age and biological age are distinct. While there is certainly an inescapable, biological change in the mind of an individual as they accumulate years, the rate at which this change occurs varies wildly to the point that it is largely irrelevant between individuals, though large scale trends are clearly evident.
A combination of societal pressures and common choices radically alter our lifestyles as we get steady jobs, get married, have kids, become disconnected from our old environments, and generally accumulate ever increasing responsibilities. It is no surprise most people come to view their lives, and in turn themselves as far removed from their youth. Another trend I've notice is that people who are very carefree in their youth tend to be forced to abandon such lifestyles as they gain responsibilities (often faster than they would have liked or predicted), become more introspective and self conscious, and look back on their youth as a time of foolishness when their understanding was limited. A combination of lack of introspection and premature onset of responsibilities is usually the cause of mid-life crises. Certain personality types tend to experience a sort of "mid-life crises" in their late teens and early twenties, avoiding it in the 30's and 40's.
All in all, a combination of rigorous and consistent exercise, good diet, lifelong learning, lack of stress, high control over environment, highly positive and motivated attitude, high diversity in lifestyle, broad cultural exposure, and frequent changes in lifestyle, job, hobbies etc (forces the brain to rewire itself), drastically reduces 'mental aging'.
In short, what I'm saying is that the fogieism is all in your head.
Can you tell I'm a psychology major? ;)
Most people are probably not going to listen to me though, because being 21 I obviously "have no idea what [I'm] talking about".
All I can say is, I've got a lot of close friends who are younger than me, and a lot of close friends who are older than me. I've watched one of them get a girl pregnant, drop out of school to work full time, and become an "older fogie" in his early twenties. I've watched another remain youthful, energetic, spontaneous, and maintain his connection with contemporary youth culture well into his 40's.
I assure you, much like my friend in the second example, I will remain 20 long into my 30's and 40's. Maybe in 10 years you'll believe me.
The group's transition to 4th edition looks like it's going to be all right on the night. I've followed the adage of "show, don't tell." Also, if I take the plunge and get DDI, everyone's welcome to game with me.
Face-to-face gaming does not have the same conflict.
My current gaming group consists of people that weren't alive when I first started playing.
There are plenty of 30+ year-olds out there who, for whatever reasons, fell out of D&D or still play, that would like to get to playing the new edition, and are looking for a group.
So someone step forward, pick a day and the time to start, see who can make it, have someone step forward to DM, pick the prefered method of play...ie...IRC, Messenger, RPGTools...., and lets get to playing! :D
If I'm too young to talk about age, am I too white to talk about minority issues?
You're too white to talk about it from the point of view of, say, a black man. But just white enough to talk about it from the perspective of, say, a white man. Considering the fact that you are on one of the "teams" that was a terrible example.
I like rock and classical =)
Nice wide range and both enjoyable in the right setting
I am 39, and decided to try D&D again with my old buds with the hope that we can use the online game table and tools to revive our old group. Just curious, any other older players like me out here?
We will probably need a few players to round out our games and at this point in my life, I'd feel a bit odd chumming around online with anyone under the age of 18 and even 18 year olds get on my nerves anymore. Yes, I know. I have offended you 18 year olds, but I remember being 18 and you haven't been 39 yet so you will agree with me when you reach my age, lol.
I'm 38 and have been DnDing since 1983. Started with 1st edition but my friend quickly latched on to the much *simpler* D&D Basic sets ;). Played with a steady group during high school (late 80's), then moved South and into 2nd edition (all through the 90's).
I currently play with a much younger group (late teens to mid-twenties), with one other fella a few years older than I. We've considered moving to 4e but are still entrenched in v.3.5 at the moment. We have a long running Forgotten Realms campaign going and most don't want to start over with 4e (with yet another Realms Shaking Event).
Speaking for myself
I play 4e (on occassion) so I can keep in the loop of what's current with D&D. 4e has lost much of the feel of D&D however; it's still D&D (of course) but it's not my D&D. 3.5 is still current enough fortunately, and its my system of choice.
I can play earlier editions but after so many years (a lifetime) it's still difficult to realize that the game has out-grown me.
I can play earlier editions but after so many years (a lifetime) it's still difficult to realize that the game has out-grown me.
When I was younger I had the idea that I knew a lot of things. I did. My elders told me that I still didn't know enough. I didn't. We prepare ourselves for a lot of events. We hear stories from others and see events happen to them and begin to get the idea that we understand. We don't. Part of maturity is the knowledge that you aren't there yet. Take things like marriage (only engaged, myself), buying a house, owning a house, having children, etc. You may think you know a lot about them through reading, observation, schooling, etc. Wait until it happens to you, however, and you'll see how woefully lacking your education is. It's easy to find fault in someone older than you making a comment about your age. If you didn't think you could hang with the big (old) dogs, you'd never find it in yourself to do so. But the fact of the matter is, age is important. There are differences. A more mature approach can help mitigate these, of course, but it is still no substitute for experience. Don't be quick to judge someone as an "agist". One day, in all likelihood, you will be one, too. I know I did. And now I am.
Mainly in what we like in music I think, as most 18 yr olds think rap and hip is music and me I think its horrible noise. As far as gaming I dont care about age.
I've listened to Zepplen, the Who and Black Sabbath since I was in Junior High.
Nevermind all the "adults" I've known that liked truly ****** music.
I'm the oldest in my current gaming group. The youngest member just turned 13. My wife says how wonderful it is that I've found friends my own emotional age.
Of course, my answer to her is usually, "TH-PT-PT-PT-PT-PT-PT-PT-PT!!!"
Breaking news: Each generation is different and you can make somewhat accurate generalizations about a person by age.
Lets talk about it a lot.
BLAH BLAH BLAH.
Breaking news: Each generation is different and you can make somewhat accurate generalizations about a person by age.
Lets talk about it a lot.
I'd rather talk about about this than some "hot button" topics I've seen around lately (talk about overrated). And that is what we're all here for: To talk-- a lot ;).
BLAH BLAH BLAH.
Breaking news: Each generation is different and you can make somewhat accurate generalizations about a person by age.
Lets talk about it a lot.
Dollars to pesos this comes from a youth unhappy about the old folks converging.
Some of the observations made by older posters are very astute. Much can be determined about a group by their demographic. The nature of your post suggests you fit the model of said demographic. Behaviors characteristic of your post are the primary reason that my group is selective about which players are allowed to join us, and the reason that younger players recieve more initial scrutiny than their elders.
Let the veterans have fun. I, for one, am surprised that I am younger than many of them but have played for longer than many of them.
All your post has done is raise this thread in the sub-forum, bringing more attention to it's presence, and prompting myself to respond.
Funny thing, I don't know that I ever played hardly any AD&D or 2nd ed, and only a tiny bit of 3.0/3.5 (not much d20 at all, really, other than some Star Wars). SWSaga really got my attention when it came out, and that lured me into D&D4. I'm actually intrigued by the new rules, and look forward to exploring them.
I was there when they gave out free boosters of Magic cards at our local con; none of us had a clue what they were. I did buy some cards, and played a little. I still have a (used) mox pearl from the original set...
As far as music, my tastes have actually broadened quite a bit as I age. My (teenage) son and I went to a local metal concert and it was actually enjoyable (well, the music, anyway; the venue was way too crowded and stifling). Never woulda thought of going when I was his age...
And I thought I was a dino at 28.
Do you old guys ever bought some magic the gatheing cards and did really play? I could realy use one of those useless Black Lotus or Mox cards, it would really fit in my deck.
Thanks.
I started playing just after they stopped printing those cards. So no luck there.
Most of my Magic The Gathering participation happened in the 90s, but I still play occasionally.
As for younger gamers, I have no problem with them. I would happily game with them as long as they were acting decently. That being said, though, sometimes I prefer to game with people of my own generation. It isn't because I have something against the youngsters, it is just that people of different age groups tend to have different interests, and different mindsets.
Started playing regularly again about nine years ago.
Got a good bunch of guys, too. Bought 'em all a set of 4E books so we could give 4E a try.
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Speaking of Magic the Gathering: I keep my Moxes and Loti (what do you call more than one Lotus, anyway?) locked up.
Sometimes I take them out and admire them. Then I put them away again.
That way there's less of a chance I'll take 'em out and use them again.
Just curious, any other older players like me out here?
Yes. Most D&D players are likely now adults.
D&D is a social game and requires a fair amount of effort to play. Kids have limitations on their abilities to socialize with thoses outside their peer group, so it is much harder for them to find groups than adults. Cost, transportation, ability to go to a stranger's house, ability to stay out late, etc. are all much greater bariers to children.
We will probably need a few players to round out our games and at this point in my life, I'd feel a bit odd chumming around online with anyone under the age of 18 and even 18 year olds get on my nerves anymore. Yes, I know. I have offended you 18 year olds, but I remember being 18 and you haven't been 39 yet so you will agree with me when you reach my age, lol.
D&D is a social game and people are way too varied to make those types of generalizations. I know a lot of 30 somethings who are are idiots at the gaming table and a lot of younger folks who I'd rather have at the table. Often it is the mix of people -- males swear a lot less when females are at the table, young folks often act more mature when the adults aren't acting like idiots, where folks are seated at the table, the type of adventure (silly, roleplaying, vs. combat), etc.
I suspect that the online will work a lot like real life. You may have DMs willing to run open public games. Folks will come out, play it, meet others, and you will remember them. If you had a good time, you might want to play with them again. If they are idiots or you don't like the type of game... you won't play with them. Over time, eventually DMs and players will switch to private games - playing with those folks they like.
This mirrors real life. If you are new... you go to say a few public game days at your local comic shop. You play say Living Greyhawk, Arcanis, and Pathfinder under various DMs and players. At some point, you get on well with a DM or group of players and they invite you to a (private) home campaign. You then go over to their house Tuesday nights and play.
BTW. Since D&DI is likely to take some time to get up and running... I would recommend looking for some real-life games. Try the RPGA, your local comic or gaming shops, internet searches, college clubs, etc. Many groups/clubs/individuals offer public game days and it is a good place to come out and meet people.
Got off track there, in short, I would love to find a group to pc with online when and if DDI come online.
Mainly in what we like in music I think, as most 18 yr olds think rap and hip is music and me I think its horrible noise. As far as gaming I dont care about age.
I know a lot of people under 18 that thinks that rap is horrible noise. Heck, I'm 15, and when talking to someone who was 16 it got brought up that a lot of people use rap as a primitive mating call, because they think that driving around in red convertibles blaring rap music at the maximum volume will help them get a girlfriend. Considering how they always seem to be trying, and don't stop, it doesn't seem to work very well.
As for the age thing, people do mature as they age. The difference is how fast, there are tons of incredibly immature people older than me who can't have an intelligent conversation, except for in some warped perception where trading "your mom" insults counts.
I am 39, and decided to try D&D again with my old buds with the hope that we can use the online game table and tools to revive our old group. Just curious, any other older players like me out here?
We will probably need a few players to round out our games and at this point in my life, I'd feel a bit odd chumming around online with anyone under the age of 18 and even 18 year olds get on my nerves anymore. Yes, I know. I have offended you 18 year olds, but I remember being 18 and you haven't been 39 yet so you will agree with me when you reach my age, lol.
Hey, 35 here. I started playing when I was 13, played regularly with various people until I was about 28 or so, and then life just kind of got in the way. I'd like to start playing again, preferrably in person (I've never tried playing online) and preferrably with a slightly more mature group (though you never know, I was that kid who always played with older players and I learned a lot).
By the way 23years old, Australia, and i'd play every day if I didn't need food to live! And money for food! I blame society!