Anyone read Graphic Novels?

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#1

danmoser

Feb 10, 2011 15:31:06
I put one together that I wrote named Chaotic Soldiers. Its a fantasy story and in hopes of spreading word about it I thought I'd join a few forums and, well, talk about it. You can read the first chapter online for free at the site.

Besides my own book I also am part of a website that blogs about creator owned comics and graphic novels we like. If anyone here reads anything interesting I'd love to know what it is. We're trying to introduce the masses to the many genres that make up comic books, not just the super hero stuff.
#2

ADHadh

Feb 10, 2011 16:44:43
What, you mean like comics? We're too old for that ;)
#3

pigknight

Feb 10, 2011 20:34:24
*Trots in and sits in his rocking chair*

Back in ma' day we didn' have any of this 'ere "grafiks" we had real books, with words.

And we liked it!
#4

jetshield

Feb 10, 2011 21:08:11
Us old folks tend to leave graphic novels (can you say oxymoron?) to youngsters with short attention spans and the preliterate.



edit: Okay, maybe that was a little harsh. Here's a picture of a kitty to make up for it.

#5

homicidal_squirrel

Feb 10, 2011 21:20:07
I put one together that I wrote named Chaotic Soldiers. Its a fantasy story and in hopes of spreading word about it I thought I'd join a few forums and, well, talk about it. You can read the first chapter online for free at the site.

Besides my own book I also am part of a website that blogs about creator owned comics and graphic novels we like. If anyone here reads anything interesting I'd love to know what it is. We're trying to introduce the masses to the many genres that make up comic books, not just the super hero stuff.

I like the artwork. I skimmed through it, not really reading it. I'm having one of those days where I can't seem to stay awake. I've taken several naps today. Of course this is a result of sleeping 2 - 3 hours for the last month.

#6

danmoser

Feb 10, 2011 21:47:57
I'm not entirely sure how to take this. Have none of you picked up a single comic within your adult lives yet you play Dungeons and Dragons and Magic the Gathering? I've nothing against either, I currently DM for a D&D group and played Magic when I was younger, I just assumed this community of all communities would be the most open minded towards alternative means of story telling.

ADHadh, there are plenty of comics written for adults, and I don't mean that they simply have curse words and boobies. Check out Pride of Baghdad or Y the Last Man and tell me you were too old for them.

pigknight, I'm a huge fan of reading "real" books as well and in fact one day I mean to write a handful but to say that comics are not real books isn't exactly fair to the medium. Read just about anything by Alan Moore, especially Promethea or Watchmen to see what I'm saying. Hell, even read some of the Sandman stuff by Neil Gaiman.

jetshield, comic book fans tend to be neither young or preliterate. In fact, the problem my field is now facing is the fact that our fan base's average age is in their 30s and kids today are too wrapped up in video games and Magic cards that we can't pull in a younger audience. And yeah, I'm not a fan of the term graphic novel but that's what they're calling them, again to try to pull in people that wouldn't normally read a comic book because of preconceived notions about them being for kids.

Anyway, I still ask that you give my measly 22 page fantasy comic preview a shot. If you don't like it then I'm sorry but I'd say at most I've wasted 15 minutes of your life. I know that within my gaming group we waste more time than that just bull**** between dice rolls.
#7

pigknight

Feb 10, 2011 21:49:21
*trots in*

S-a-r-c-a-s-m...


...piglets these days...

*trots out*
#8

danmoser

Feb 10, 2011 21:49:41
Hey squirrel, thanks for skimming through. I'm a huge fan of my artists, I think he did an amazing job and only got better over the years I worked with him on this. pablopeppino.blogspot.com/ is his site if you want to peruse some of his other works.

Turn off your computer for a night, should help you sleep.
#9

danmoser

Feb 10, 2011 21:51:02
If that's the case then let me apologize, though sarcasm doesn't work so well over the internet.
#10

homicidal_squirrel

Feb 10, 2011 22:23:57
Hey squirrel, thanks for skimming through. I'm a huge fan of my artists, I think he did an amazing job and only got better over the years I worked with him on this. pablopeppino.blogspot.com/ is his site if you want to peruse some of his other works.

Turn off your computer for a night, should help you sleep.


Sleep? No, I can't. Even if I turned off the computer, I would still be up. I'm training for the coming Zombie Appocolypse.
#11

ADHadh

Feb 11, 2011 4:20:39
Frankly, I actually don't read a lot of printed comics/graphic novels. I always have a hard time picking anything up if I'm at the store. Partly because I have some kind of hunch that everything is going to dissapoint me. Partly because, well... anyone wats to order a paid commission? ;)
It's the same with fantasy books lately, with the added prejudice about "another anti-hero/dark fantasy/deconstruction novel", as if fantasy was going through it's own Dark Age right now.

I am a webcomics addict though.
#12

pluisjen

Feb 11, 2011 4:50:50
I read the comic, but I must say I find it to be... rather bland. I'm not entirely sure why, but it reads somewhat cliché, I find the main characters to be rather limited, they're just not recognisable (I still forget their names and what they do), it jumps from scene to scene and through time and can be really hard to follow, and I think the facial expressions don't really express the proper emotion.

It's not something I'd pick up if I came across it on a convention or something, sorry.
#13

jetshield

Feb 11, 2011 5:08:32
As a general rule, if I include an emoticon of any kind in one of my posts, you shouldn't take me too seriously.

In this case my post was intentionally harsh for two reasons.
1) To make you go away if your only reason for signing up was to try to sell us something.
2) An excuse to post another kitty picture. My cat's going to be a mom soon, so I have kitties on the brain (mostly trying to figure out who I can give kittens to).
#14

danmoser

Feb 11, 2011 7:22:22
ADHadh, ever read Freak Angels or Oglaf? Oglaf's most definitely NSFW but often quite funny.

Pluisjen, can't please everyone. Thanks for taking the time to read it and I'll keep everything you've mentioned in mind for the next story I write.

jetshield, my main reason for signing up may be to sell you something but I'm still a gamer at heart, one who plays a handful of WotC games to this day. You won't be chasing me off so easily. Good luck with the kittens. I once dated a girl who owned 10 cats, it was madness.
#15

ADHadh

Feb 11, 2011 13:36:05
I am aware of Oglaf and it's inappropriate humour.

When it comes to Chaotic Soldiers, I'm not a fan of the lineart at times; it feel incomplete, sketchy.
I also didn't like the chapter's ending.

I'm actually working on a little project myself. I've just named major characters. No, it will not be a very serious story.
#16

zeppelinfan813

Feb 11, 2011 23:27:41
Iread them. i have finished The Sandman,Lucifer, and 100 Bullets series. I am up to volume 13 of Fables.All amazing series.
#17

danmoser

Feb 12, 2011 0:49:27
I haven't read Lucifer yet but I've read the other three and yeah, all amazing. Vertigo's got a really good track record going, adding Y the Last Man and Preacher to that list. My artist on Chaotic Soldiers actually studied under Edwardo Risso, the artist on 100 bullets.

AD, I'm a fan of Pablo's art but I do know what you're saying. In the years it took us to complete the full 6 issues he got a lot better. He recently did a Marvel story and is currently drawing a 28 Days Later book for Boom! studios. Out of curiousity, what didn't you like about the ending of the dirst chapter?
#18

ADHadh

Feb 12, 2011 5:54:17
It felt abrupt and kind of cliche.

After giving a closer look I think the subpar (in my opinion) lineart may be the inking's fault. No offense, but it looks a bit amateurish. I'm also not a fan of big patches of black, especially in colour comics when the action is set in broad daylight. This kind of ink abuse turned me away from Kirkman's Walking Dead.
IMO this works only in stories of certain tone and in extreme chiaroscuro, like Sin City or Harkins/Barral/Braccia's run on ElfQuest's Rogue Course (which is my favourite part of the whole thing BTW).
#19

deilusia

Feb 12, 2011 11:57:21
I read and collect graphic novels, I have an almost complete chaos comics collection (all those bad girls in one long box. Oh yea...) as well as being a huge fan of the Sandman, Battle Pope, Poision Elves, DC's Harley Quinn, and 1602 version that Gaiman did for Marvel's X-Men...