Are there pointless Words

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#1

ravel8

Jul 11, 2010 0:20:35
Are there pointless Words ?
#2

Ragnar_Lodbrok

Jul 11, 2010 0:26:15
Yes, seeing as no words have a nice, impaling tip. Or did you mean something else? ( )
#3

EscherEnigma

Jul 11, 2010 1:40:32
Irregardless.
#4

MusicOfCreation

Jul 11, 2010 2:25:36
Chalant
#5

RuinsFate

Jul 11, 2010 2:29:40
Meetings.
#6

boraxe

Jul 12, 2010 9:54:13
Beiber
#7

mellored

Jul 12, 2010 11:46:20
There are plenty of redundant words, like Anger/Ire/Scorn, or  Wasted/Drunk/Inebriated.  You only need 1 of them.
#8

pigknight

Jul 12, 2010 12:09:33
Beiber



+1
#9

Pinnacle

Jul 12, 2010 12:33:17
There are plenty of redundant words, like Anger/Ire/Scorn, or  Wasted/Drunk/Inebriated.  You only need 1 of them.


Those words have related meaning, but they are not completely redundant.  I would use all of them at different times.

Except perhaps that use of "wasted", but that's slang anyway.
#10

mellored

Jul 12, 2010 12:55:09
There are plenty of redundant words, like Anger/Ire/Scorn, or  Wasted/Drunk/Inebriated.  You only need 1 of them.


Those words have related meaning, but they are not completely redundant.  I would use all of them at different times.

Except perhaps that use of "wasted", but that's slang anyway.

Useing them at different times doesn't mean their not redundant.
Shiro, Blanc, Lef̱kó, Vit, Weiß are all used in different contexts, and they are all redundant.
#11

scypio

Jul 12, 2010 13:36:37
Words can have the same meaning, but that doesn't mean they have no point. See literature or poetry for examples. If I take a famous or beloved passage and change every word for a synonym, it probably would not be as good as the original.

So even though there are some really dumb words (fashionista, staycation, blog, etc), I don't think the words are pointless.
#12

EscherEnigma

Jul 12, 2010 13:43:52
Not to mention that even with words that are synonyms there are often different connotations and associations to the different words.

Heck, just take anger/ire/scorn.  Scorn involves a level of condescension and superiority while anger is just the base emotion.  Ire is similar to anger, but less likely to convey direct violence (or possibility of direct violence).   Three words that, basically, mean the same thing, but they all convey different shades of that meaning and have different associations.

And, of course, language would be boring and repetitive if we used the same words all the time.
#13

Escef

Jul 12, 2010 13:49:29
The only pointless words are the ones spoken by pointless people.
#14

Pinnacle

Jul 12, 2010 14:02:39
The only pointless words are the ones spoken by pointless people.


That's not fair.  They use quite a lot of perfectly good words.
Often.  And then use them again in a slightly different order.  And then use the first order again.  And so on.  Occasionally they even say something!
#15

ADHadh

Jul 12, 2010 14:07:51
SasuNaru and similar.
#16

mellored

Jul 12, 2010 14:29:56
Words can have the same meaning, but that doesn't mean they have no point. See literature or poetry for examples. If I take a famous or beloved passage and change every word for a synonym, it probably would not be as good as the original.

So even though there are some really dumb words (fashionista, staycation, blog, etc), I don't think the words are pointless.

IMO, poetry is pointless.
#17

death_isthe_begining

Jul 12, 2010 14:52:22

That says alot.

#18

boraxe

Jul 12, 2010 15:48:49
That says alot.


Yes it does, though not about poetry.
#19

fsjal

Jul 12, 2010 16:11:17
Beiber


+ OVER 9,000!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
#20

dirtyfrank

Jul 12, 2010 16:59:16
Words I'd put up as pointless are mainly slang terms. They are mainly redundant and are just a cool hip version of some other word. Although often they are an actual word but just being given a lame meaning so that it can be cool.

Other than that I'd say that pointless words (lets speak from an English context) are words that are used in English but don't even come close to following any of the horrid English grammar rules. Basically my opinion is that foreign words that are spelled in their foreign grammar (or butchered English version for those that use different characters/symbols) and pronounced in a way that doesn't fit general English pronunciation rules shouldn't be used as a part of English. Basically if it doesn't walk like a duck, quack like a duck, look like a duck and it isn't a duck then don't bleeping treat it like it's a duck!

Words can have the same meaning, but that doesn't mean they have no point. See literature or poetry for examples. If I take a famous or beloved passage and change every word for a synonym, it probably would not be as good as the original.



I'm not sure I've ever understood poetry. It just has always seemed a bit pointless to me unless it was a part of some music but even then much of it is often kinda lame anyways.

One thing that has bothered me with poetry in most of its forms is that it often takes words from other languages or makes up words (usually by adding things like suffixes to words that don't use them) in order to make things rhyme. If you can't get something to rhyme then don't force it.

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#21

EscherEnigma

Jul 12, 2010 17:18:29
One thing that has bothered me with poetry in most of its forms is that it often takes words from other languages or makes up words (usually by adding things like suffixes to words that don't use them) in order to make things rhyme. If you can't get something to rhyme then don't force it. 


... but... but... I like the Jaberwocky!

Lewis Carroll's Jaberwocky

Twas brillig and the slithy toves
Did gyre and gimble in the wabe,
All mimsy were the borogroves
And the mome raths outgrabe.


Beware the Jabberwock, my son!
The jaws that bite, the claws that catch!
Beware the Jub Jub bird
And shun the frumious bandersnatch!

He took his vorpal sword in hand,
Long time the manxome foe he sought.
So rested he, by the tumtum tree
And stood awhile in thought.

And as in uffish thought he stood,
the Jabberwock with eyes aflame
came whiffling through the tulgey wood
and burbled as it came.

One two!  One two!  And through and through
The vorpal blade went snicker snack
He left it dead, and with its head
He came galumphing back.

Hast thou slain the jaberwock?
Come to my arms my beamish boy.
Calooh callay, oh frubjous day!
He chortled in his joy.

Twas brilig, and the slithy toves
did gyre and gimble in the wabe.
All mimsy were the borogroves
and the mome raths outgrabe.
#22

toastedamphibian

Jul 12, 2010 18:44:21
The only pointless words are the ones spoken by pointless people.



[INSERT JOKE INSINUATING SEXIST CONTEXT OF YOUR STATMENT]
#23

ravel8

Jul 13, 2010 1:08:17




Words I'd put up as pointless are mainly slang terms. They are mainly redundant and are just a cool hip version of some other word. Although often they are an actual word but just being given a lame meaning so that it can be cool.

Other than that I'd say that pointless words (lets speak from an English context) are words that are used in English but don't even come close to following any of the horrid English grammar rules. Basically my opinion is that foreign words that are spelled in their foreign grammar (or butchered English version for those that use different characters/symbols) and pronounced in a way that doesn't fit general English pronunciation rules shouldn't be used as a part of English. Basically if it doesn't walk like a duck, quack like a duck, look like a duck and it isn't a duck then don't bleeping treat it like it's a duck!


Ravel 's reply

Ah but a spanish Pero is alot diffrent than a Dog , and a spanglish word has it's own context and meaning . Heck even a misproniced word has increable meaning if only "don't listen to this person they don't know what there talking about ."
#24

scypio

Jul 13, 2010 7:07:32
For people who don't like poetry or literature, use music (with words). Take your favorite song/line from a song and start replacing it with synomyns and you have the same effect. And that's not even considering connotation and social influences.

[INSERT JOKE INSINUATING SEXIST CONTEXT OF YOUR STATMENT]

Nice.
#25

zombie_babies

Jul 13, 2010 9:20:23
Yeah, there's much to be said for the subtle differences found in words with similar meanings.  I've read a lot and I can't imagine that I'd have ever been motivated to do so were it not for the varied ways language can be used and the many possible ways of conveying the same meaning with different words.  Language is a tool, yes, but it's also much, much more.  Too see it as some sort of sterile, solely utilitarian thing is ... sad, IMO.  Even something as simple and brutal as a chainsaw, for example, can be used to create works of art.  The only thing restricting a tool to tool only status is the ability and imagination of the person using it.  Limiting the tool is limiting humanity's potential. 
#26

mellored

Jul 13, 2010 9:24:53
Chainsaw Art

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#27

boraxe

Jul 13, 2010 11:57:48
A thesaurus is a guide book painted in broad strokes. The idea that you can go through it and cross off all but one word in each entry is patently absurd.

"Its interesting... betrayal has such a powerful grip on the mind. Its almost like a python, it can squeeze out all other thought, suffocate all other emotion until... everything is dead except for the rage. I'm not talking about anger, I'm talking about rage. I can feel it. Right here [grabs his chest] like its gonna burst. I feel like I want to scream." – Cmdr. Adama, BSG
#28

Escef

Jul 13, 2010 20:11:25
The only pointless words are the ones spoken by pointless people.


That's not fair.  They use quite a lot of perfectly good words.
Often.  And then use them again in a slightly different order.  And then use the first order again.  And so on.  Occasionally they even say something!



The words of pointless people are pointless. Not the words themselves, just those iterations and arrangements.
#29

dirtyfrank

Jul 14, 2010 3:40:39
Ravel 's reply

Ah but a spanish Pero is alot diffrent than a Dog , and a spanglish word has it's own context and meaning . Heck even a misproniced word has increable meaning if only "don't listen to this person they don't know what there talking about ."


Spanish shouldn't be used in conjunction with English if one is trying to speak and convey their thoughts in English. Spanglish needs to go.
#30

Xaspian

Jul 15, 2010 12:54:14
The word 'Obligated'.
Is there anything different in its meaning to 'Obliged'? Why the extra syllable?
#31

boraxe

Jul 15, 2010 14:14:14
The word 'Obligated'.
Is there anything different in its meaning to 'Obliged'? Why the extra syllable?


Cos they derive from two different words.
#32

Xaspian

Jul 15, 2010 14:38:47

Cos they derive from two different words.



Ah, that's a good point. Re-looking at them carefully, now, it seems there actual is a difference in meaning between them, too, which I hadn't noticed. Now I feel bad for making this mistake for years.

Ah, well.