Are we really expected to be big tippers?

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#1

homicidal_squirrel

May 30, 2012 23:42:10
www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/mark-zuck...
#2

The_Silversword

May 31, 2012 2:37:38
I ussually go with 10%, makes the math easier, although from what ive heard, anything lower than 20% and they spit in your food.
#3

randomvirus

May 31, 2012 3:58:33
Tipping is a ridiculous practice.  Especially in restaurants.

I find it beyond stupid that we're expected to tip the waitresses who bring you the food, and not the cooks that made the food.  Especially since on average, waitresses make 5x more per week than cooks do.

Also, I read that same article and wondered what the big deal was.  I've been to countries outside of the US, (Korea, China, Japan,) and in none of those did people tip.  It's my understanding that tipping is pretty much an American thing.  (Could be wrong).
#4

homicidal_squirrel

May 31, 2012 6:50:05
Tipping is a ridiculous practice.  Especially in restaurants.

I find it beyond stupid that we're expected to tip the waitresses who bring you the food, and not the cooks that made the food.  Especially since on average, waitresses make 5x more per week than cooks do.

Also, I read that same article and wondered what the big deal was.  I've been to countries outside of the US, (Korea, China, Japan,) and in none of those did people tip.  It's my understanding that tipping is pretty much an American thing.  (Could be wrong).


A lot of restaurants have the tips split betwen the waiting staff and the kitchen staff.
#5

homicidal_squirrel

May 31, 2012 6:50:44
So it seems that some people are big tippers.
#6

zombie_babies

May 31, 2012 8:16:44
Tipping is a ridiculous practice.  Especially in restaurants.

I find it beyond stupid that we're expected to tip the waitresses who bring you the food, and not the cooks that made the food.  Especially since on average, waitresses make 5x more per week than cooks do.



In most countries this would be true.  In America, however, wait staff are often paid incredibly little because tips are expected.  It's part of their income and they actually need the tips to make enough money to do whatever it is they need to do.  You see, if you don't tip it's like you're taking part of their hourly wage away from them because of some silly little protest you want to launch.  Would you like it if someone came to where you work and chopped your hourly rate because they thought you made too much (and wait staff making too much?  really?  )?  And then there's that bit HS mentioned about tips being pooled in many, many cases.  So the cooks get theirs, too.  Don't be a Mr Pink, yo.

Also, I read that same article and wondered what the big deal was.  I've been to countries outside of the US, (Korea, China, Japan,) and in none of those did people tip.  It's my understanding that tipping is pretty much an American thing.  (Could be wrong).



Yeah, this makes more sense.  I can't really fault him for not tipping in a country where tipping isn't a standard practice.  As they say, 'when in Rome ...'.  That said, when I was in Greece I still tipped.  Every meal, every cab ride - we tipped for everything.  The people appreciated it, too.  Like a lot.  Genuine appreciation - which is what we were showing them by tipping.  Overall quite a nice experience.  We did get into an interesting discussion with a British couple about tipping over dinner, too.  They don't understand it so I explained how it works in America.  They then understood but still said it was stupid because 'why don't we just pay the wait staff better?'.  Well, he was right about that and I told him so.  But we don't and I choose to live in the world that actually is instead of some idyllic, utopic version.  Because those wait staff?  Well, they live in a world that sees them needing tips to make it.
#7

EscherEnigma

May 31, 2012 9:11:36
I tend to tip around 20%, though I've gone 100% once out of spite. 
#8

homicidal_squirrel

May 31, 2012 9:52:11
Here minimum wage is lower for waiters and waitresses, cause the gov expects people to leave a 15% tip.


Same here. 
#9

Buzzhorn1

May 31, 2012 10:26:11
I tend to tip around 20%, though I've gone 100% once out of spite. 


Who were you spiting exactly? If you were trying to spite the waiter, wouldn't you leave a 0% tip?

Or were you trying to spite yourself?
#10

randomvirus

May 31, 2012 16:40:11
In most countries this would be true.  In America, however, wait staff are often paid incredibly little because tips are expected.  It's part of their income and they actually need the tips to make enough money to do whatever it is they need to do.  You see, if you don't tip it's like you're taking part of their hourly wage away from them because of some silly little protest you want to launch.  Would you like it if someone came to where you work and chopped your hourly rate because they thought you made too much (and wait staff making too much?  really?  )?  And then there's that bit HS mentioned about tips being pooled in many, many cases.  So the cooks get theirs, too.  Don't be a Mr Pink, yo.



Here minimum wage is lower for waiters and waitresses, cause the gov expects people to leave a 15% tip.



Check your facts on that:

The federal minimum wage law in regards to tip earners states that if they don't earn at least minimum wage in an hour with the $2.45-$3.15 average that tip earners make an hour, then they must be paid by the employer to make up to minimum wage for that hour.

Servers want you to think they make less, when the truth is they'll make at least minimum wage in an hour.  This law exists so that servers that work off-hours like those between lunch and dinner aren't working for slave wages.

And do some research before you start living with the thought that servers aren't making boatloads of cash.  The average restaurant ticket is $100 dollars, and the average expected tip is 20%.  And it's rare that a waiter serves 1 table in an hour.  Especially in a dinner rush. 

Your average cook is pulling maybe slightly above minimum wage.

Also, go to your local restaurants and ask if they pool tips with the bussing staff or share with the kitchen staff.  I would be surprised if they did.  I spent a year working between two different restaurants as a cook and neither of them paid out to kitchen staff.  This practice is fading out, and the pay gap between cooks and servers is increasing every year. 
#11

Cpt_Micha

May 31, 2012 18:46:47
I want to know what insane place you are eating at to spend 100 dollars for a meal. Jesus.

I get out the door for a ticket of four people for around $50-60.

"but that's still a ten dollar to twelve dollar tip!" and most likely its' a shared tip. That's how most places actually work.

Where you worked simply sucked. 
#12

homicidal_squirrel

May 31, 2012 19:01:49
In most countries this would be true.  In America, however, wait staff are often paid incredibly little because tips are expected.  It's part of their income and they actually need the tips to make enough money to do whatever it is they need to do.  You see, if you don't tip it's like you're taking part of their hourly wage away from them because of some silly little protest you want to launch.  Would you like it if someone came to where you work and chopped your hourly rate because they thought you made too much (and wait staff making too much?  really?  )?  And then there's that bit HS mentioned about tips being pooled in many, many cases.  So the cooks get theirs, too.  Don't be a Mr Pink, yo.



Here minimum wage is lower for waiters and waitresses, cause the gov expects people to leave a 15% tip.



Check your facts on that:

The federal minimum wage law in regards to tip earners states that if they don't earn at least minimum wage in an hour with the $2.45-$3.15 average that tip earners make an hour, then they must be paid by the employer to make up to minimum wage for that hour.

Servers want you to think they make less, when the truth is they'll make at least minimum wage in an hour.  This law exists so that servers that work off-hours like those between lunch and dinner aren't working for slave wages.

And do some research before you start living with the thought that servers aren't making boatloads of cash.  The average restaurant ticket is $100 dollars, and the average expected tip is 20%.  And it's rare that a waiter serves 1 table in an hour.  Especially in a dinner rush. 

Your average cook is pulling maybe slightly above minimum wage.

Also, go to your local restaurants and ask if they pool tips with the bussing staff or share with the kitchen staff.  I would be surprised if they did.  I spent a year working between two different restaurants as a cook and neither of them paid out to kitchen staff.  This practice is fading out, and the pay gap between cooks and servers is increasing every year. 


RM is from Canada. Nice rant though.
#13

draco1119

May 31, 2012 19:22:09
I tend to tip around 20%, though I've gone 100% once out of spite. 


Could you explain this one?

#14

dirtyfrank

May 31, 2012 19:43:13
You should only tip pizza delivery boys.

You should only tip people that bring pizza to your table or house.
#15

EscherEnigma

May 31, 2012 20:42:17
Who were you spiting exactly? If you were trying to spite the waiter, wouldn't you leave a 0% tip?

Or were you trying to spite yourself?


Could you explain this one?


It was when me and my fiance were newly together, and were a bit "clingy" in public.  We went to the usual late-night diner in town and ended up in a booth seat.  I think I put an arm around his shoulders and cuddled a bit, like young pups in love tend to do.

Our first waitress walked up to take our drinks, stammered out something rude sounding and walked away.  Five minutes later we got a new waitress.  We tipped her big.

The average restaurant ticket is $100 dollars [...]


... I don' think it's possible to pay that much for a restaurant ticket around here without a large party (five+ people if you're going for something nice, like steak, otherwise closer to ten).  No, seriously.  The most expensive place I know of to eat at, a steak place an hour away, is still only $40 a plate... 
#16

randomvirus

May 31, 2012 21:46:18
I want to know what insane place you are eating at to spend 100 dollars for a meal. Jesus.

I get out the door for a ticket of four people for around $50-60.

"but that's still a ten dollar to twelve dollar tip!" and most likely its' a shared tip. That's how most places actually work.

Where you worked simply sucked. 



"Most likely" means you're guessing.  Also, if the tip is shared, how much do you think the servers keep percentage wise vs what they give to the other staff?

Also, the average ticket counts expensive restaurants too.  Sure it's uncommon for some people to think about that much but the average table is 4-6 people, with entrees averaging $10-$20 a plate.  It's not hard for a group to get a $100 dollar ticket when you count appetizers, entrees, desserts, and drinks. 


#17

homicidal_squirrel

May 31, 2012 21:50:14
I want to know what insane place you are eating at to spend 100 dollars for a meal. Jesus.

I get out the door for a ticket of four people for around $50-60.

"but that's still a ten dollar to twelve dollar tip!" and most likely its' a shared tip. That's how most places actually work.

Where you worked simply sucked. 



"Most likely" means you're guessing.  Also, if the tip is shared, how much do you think the servers keep percentage wise vs what they give to the other staff?

Also, the average ticket counts expensive restaurants too.  Sure it's uncommon for some people to think about that much but the average table is 4-6 people, with entrees averaging $10-$20 a plate.  It's not hard for a group to get a $100 dollar ticket when you count appetizers, entrees, desserts, and drinks. 



Where are you getting these numbers? 

#18

jetshield

May 31, 2012 21:54:57

... I don' think it's possible to pay that much for a restaurant ticket around here without a large party (five+ people if you're going for something nice, like steak, otherwise closer to ten).  No, seriously.  The most expensive place I know of to eat at, a steak place an hour away, is still only $40 a plate... 


You must hang out with a bunch of skinny people. Heck, an average dinner with my friends at Applebees comes in at almost $100 for 3 of us.
#19

dirtyfrank

May 31, 2012 23:13:41
My friend and i can get our total bill up to around $100 dollars easily with like 4 of us.
#20

runeward

May 31, 2012 23:17:36

... I don' think it's possible to pay that much for a restaurant ticket around here without a large party (five+ people if you're going for something nice, like steak, otherwise closer to ten).  No, seriously.  The most expensive place I know of to eat at, a steak place an hour away, is still only $40 a plate... 


You must hang out with a bunch of skinny people. Heck, an average dinner with my friends at Applebees comes in at almost $100 for 3 of us.

Holy wow. Applebees must love you guys. I'm imagining that includes at least a few drinks? I'm not really an Applebees type guy, but aren't they sort of known for the $10 entry zone?
#21

EscherEnigma

May 31, 2012 23:34:53
You must hang out with a bunch of skinny people. Heck, an average dinner with my friends at Applebees comes in at almost $100 for 3 of us.


... the only way I can imagine that is if you're getting steak and getting your drink on, both of which means you have very poor judgement to be doing such at Applebees.
#22

zombie_babies

Jun 01, 2012 8:58:23
Check your facts on that:

The federal minimum wage law in regards to tip earners states that if they don't earn at least minimum wage in an hour with the $2.45-$3.15 average that tip earners make an hour, then they must be paid by the employer to make up to minimum wage for that hour.

Servers want you to think they make less, when the truth is they'll make at least minimum wage in an hour.  This law exists so that servers that work off-hours like those between lunch and dinner aren't working for slave wages.



You do understand that minimum wage is practically slave labor, right?  That it's not just teens livin' with mommy an' daddy tryin' to earn a few bucks to help pay for school and maybe the occasional night out, right?

And do some research before you start living with the thought that servers aren't making boatloads of cash.  The average restaurant ticket is $100 dollars, and the average expected tip is 20%.  And it's rare that a waiter serves 1 table in an hour.  Especially in a dinner rush. 



I know plenty of servers.  Enough to know they don't make boatloads of cash.  It's why I know them.  Cuz I see them pretty much whenever I show up where they work.  Cuz they work a lot.  Cuz they need the money.  Cuz they don't make a lot of money.

By the way, what do you consider 'a boatload of cash' to be.  A gross annual number would be cool but communicate it however you need to.

Your average cook is pulling maybe slightly above minimum wage.

Also, go to your local restaurants and ask if they pool tips with the bussing staff or share with the kitchen staff.  I would be surprised if they did.  I spent a year working between two different restaurants as a cook and neither of them paid out to kitchen staff.  This practice is fading out, and the pay gap between cooks and servers is increasing every year. 



Most places I know of pool.  I know because I have asked. 

Seems to me you've got some prejudice working here.  Don't let your jealousy turn you into such a hater, yo.  It's messed up.  You've got all this venom for people you don't even know.  It's sad.
#23

zombie_babies

Jun 01, 2012 9:03:12
... the only way I can imagine that is if you're getting steak and getting your drink on, both of which means you have very poor judgement to be doing such at Applebees.



+ thebiggestnumberevah

Yeah, dood.  Truf.  If some forces me to eat at Applebees, I have one beer max (a Blue Moon) and never a steak.  Fo' sho'.
#24

Cpt_Micha

Jun 01, 2012 9:09:58
ZB, don't argue with him, he's never had to try to live on his own for minimum wage (or even close to it) it's rather obvious.

He's just upset that the servers make more than his fry cook self :-p

Also 100 dollars at applebees? There better be more than food service going on for that quality of food at that price. 
#25

Buzzhorn1

Jun 02, 2012 12:37:20
ZB, don't argue with him, he's never had to try to live on his own for minimum wage (or even close to it) it's rather obvious.

He's just upset that the servers make more than his fry cook self :-p

Also 100 dollars at applebees? There better be more than food service going on for that quality of food at that price. 


Are you thinking a dirty *wink wink*?

Or are you thinking an appropiate *wink wink*?
#26

draco1119

Jun 02, 2012 13:10:06
ZB, don't argue with him, he's never had to try to live on his own for minimum wage (or even close to it) it's rather obvious.

He's just upset that the servers make more than his fry cook self :-p

Also 100 dollars at applebees? There better be more than food service going on for that quality of food at that price. 

Are you thinking a dirty *wink wink*?

Or are you thinking an appropiate *wink wink*?

Knowing Micha, he's thinking dirty.
#27

homicidal_squirrel

Jun 02, 2012 16:18:14
ZB, don't argue with him, he's never had to try to live on his own for minimum wage (or even close to it) it's rather obvious.

He's just upset that the servers make more than his fry cook self :-p

Also 100 dollars at applebees? There better be more than food service going on for that quality of food at that price. 

Are you thinking a dirty *wink wink*?

Or are you thinking an appropiate *wink wink*?

Knowing Micha, he's thinking dirty about cars.



#28

Cpt_Micha

Jun 03, 2012 11:45:09
Draco had it right :-p

Seriously 100 dollars at applebees?

Not the fixed Draco 
#29

homicidal_squirrel

Jun 03, 2012 15:07:41
Draco had it right :-p

Seriously 100 dollars at applebees?

Not the fixed Draco 

His wife got those in the divorce too? Dude... that rough...

#30

zombie_babies

Jun 04, 2012 8:54:21
Spent $100 on a meal again this weekend.  Just me an' the wife.  About $130 after tip (bill was like $107).  We ate at Mallorca in Cleveland.  Not bad.  The menu was massive and if you like seafood (I do not - thank god for a 16oz filet ;)) and wine, this is a great place to check out.  But yeah, spendin' $100 is kinda easy.  Er, when you're eating food anyway.  Applebee's does not supply food.
#31

homicidal_squirrel

Jun 04, 2012 9:30:00
Spent $100 on a meal again this weekend.  Just me an' the wife.  About $130 after tip (bill was like $107).  We ate at Mallorca in Cleveland.  Not bad.  The menu was massive and if you like seafood (I do not - thank god for a 16oz filet ;)) and wine, this is a great place to check out.  But yeah, spendin' $100 is kinda easy.  Er, when you're eating food anyway.  Applebee's does not supply food.


Yup, very true. My bills run between $50 - $150, depending where I eat. I don't eat at Applebees or any of the other "restaurants" that serve similar slop.
#32

zombie_babies

Jun 04, 2012 14:43:27
Yeah when my friends ask if I want to go to Applebee's it's the same as if they ask if I want to go to Wendy's or something.  Like, if I want fast food quality food, I want it at fast food prices and speed.  Applebee's delivers on the quality but not the last two.  ;)
#33

homicidal_squirrel

Jun 04, 2012 17:31:09
Yeah when my friends ask if I want to go to Applebee's it's the same as if they ask if I want to go to Wendy's or something.  Like, if I want fast food quality food, I want it at fast food prices and speed.  Applebee's delivers on the quality but not the last two.  ;)


Exactly. Every time people start talking about food and alcohol, I get the feeling that the only two people who weren't raised by savages are you and I. I'm telling you, we need to create a course to educate people on what quality food and alcohol is. We'd be rich! Rich I tell you!!
#34

Cpt_Micha

Jun 04, 2012 18:02:32
Oh please, you guys drink Beer. Ya'll have no taste what so ever.

Next you'll start telling me you like straight coffee, or that black liquorice tastes good. 
#35

erato

Jun 04, 2012 18:16:10
Next you'll start telling me you like straight coffee, or that black liquorice tastes good. 

Isn't liquorice black by definition?

#36

Cpt_Micha

Jun 04, 2012 18:28:29
They also make cherry liquorice and strawberry here  
#37

dirtyfrank

Jun 04, 2012 21:24:44
Oh please, you guys drink Beer. Ya'll have no taste what so ever.

you are the one with no taste. I don't know what you drink but it probably has nowhere near the range of textures and tastes that can be found within beer.

Next you'll start telling me you like straight coffee, or that black liquorice tastes good. 

Isn't liquorice black by definition?

yes it is but because in america we make candy that is called liquorice but isn't made from liquorice we use the term "black liquorice" to differentiate between liquorice (the actual liquorice) and liquorice (sweet candy that kids like that is shaped to be like the end product of black liquorice but also usually a bright color).

They also make cherry liquorice and strawberry here  


Those are liquorice since they are not flavored with liquorice extract. They are a candy that are formed in the same shape that candy made from liquorice extract are shaped and then later given the liquorice title.
#38

EscherEnigma

Jun 04, 2012 21:24:59
Howdy there, Erato.  Long time no see.

Spent $100 on a meal again this weekend.  Just me an' the wife.  About $130 after tip (bill was like $107).


... how does that even work out?  No, seriously?  $2.50 each for a drink (soda, iced tea, something), maybe $20 each for your entrées, an extra $10 for an appetizer.  I guess desert, $5 a piece?  That's like... $75.  And way more food then me and my partner could eat or enjoy.  Seriously, we would have to barely touch our main course to eat an appetizer and desert.

Maybe it's just a big city thing, having fancy restaurants?  Just how expensive are your dishes there?  I think I'd have to drive for an hour to find a restaurant with main dishes over $20, and that's just the one place up near the lake.  Next closest is probably hour and a half if not two.

#39

dirtyfrank

Jun 04, 2012 21:41:11
Howdy there, Erato.  Long time no see.

Spent $100 on a meal again this weekend.  Just me an' the wife.  About $130 after tip (bill was like $107).


... how does that even work out?  No, seriously?  $2.50 each for a drink (soda, iced tea, something), maybe $20 each for your entrées, an extra $10 for an appetizer.  I guess desert, $5 a piece?  That's like... $75.  And way more food then me and my partner could eat or enjoy.  Seriously, we would have to barely touch our main course to eat an appetizer and desert.

Maybe it's just a big city thing, having fancy restaurants?  Just how expensive are your dishes there?  I think I'd have to drive for an hour to find a restaurant with main dishes over $20, and that's just the one place up near the lake.  Next closest is probably hour and a half if not two.



The menu for the place he went to is online. the appetizers are about $10. Main dishes range from about $20-30 for most things with a few in the mid 40s. They have a large wine selection. I don't see prices listed but they serve it in both bottles and by the glass it seems. No price listed for desserts either but probably around or just shy of the cost of appetizers i would presume.  So probably easily spend $80 before accounting for wine.

1 appetizers = $10
2 main dishes = $40 to $90
2 desserts = $10 (guessing here)

total before wine = $60 to $110

wine/champagne = $5 - $70 (from what I'm seeing by skimming at their list)

Assuming 1 bottle was purchased

Grand total = $65 to $180 (pre tip&tax for 2 people)
#40

homicidal_squirrel

Jun 04, 2012 22:31:28
Howdy there, Erato.  Long time no see.

Spent $100 on a meal again this weekend.  Just me an' the wife.  About $130 after tip (bill was like $107).


... how does that even work out?  No, seriously?  $2.50 each for a drink (soda, iced tea, something), maybe $20 each for your entrées, an extra $10 for an appetizer.  I guess desert, $5 a piece?  That's like... $75.  And way more food then me and my partner could eat or enjoy.  Seriously, we would have to barely touch our main course to eat an appetizer and desert.

Maybe it's just a big city thing, having fancy restaurants?  Just how expensive are your dishes there?  I think I'd have to drive for an hour to find a restaurant with main dishes over $20, and that's just the one place up near the lake.  Next closest is probably hour and a half if not two.


Where is it that you're located again? If you're feeling like you want to splurge on you SO and yourself, you could check this place out:
www.mortons.com/locations/

There might be one near you. They're good. Check out the menu:
www.mortons.com/menu/dinner/ 
#41

The_Silversword

Jun 05, 2012 1:41:16
Red Lobster is about as fancy as me and the wife ever get. 

mmmmmmmmm lobsters 
#42

zombie_babies

Jun 05, 2012 8:03:19
Exactly. Every time people start talking about food and alcohol, I get the feeling that the only two people who weren't raised by savages are you and I. I'm telling you, we need to create a course to educate people on what quality food and alcohol is. We'd be rich! Rich I tell you!!



Yupyup.  Thing is, would these heathens even know they needed the help and, if so, would they be able to afford it?

Oh please, you guys drink Beer. Ya'll have no taste what so ever.

Next you'll start telling me you like straight coffee, or that black liquorice tastes good. 



Umm ... if you want to taste something it's often advisable to taste it on its own.  Coffee is meant to be taken black.  Cuz it's a bitter.  So it's supposed to, you know, taste bitter.  If you don't like bitter coffee you don't like coffee and should probably not drink it.  Try sugared milk in a sippy cup instead.  Cuz if you're adding cream and sugar to your coffee, that's basically what you're drinking anyway. ;)
#43

zombie_babies

Jun 05, 2012 8:15:32
... how does that even work out?  No, seriously?  $2.50 each for a drink (soda, iced tea, something), maybe $20 each for your entrées, an extra $10 for an appetizer.  I guess desert, $5 a piece?  That's like... $75.  And way more food then me and my partner could eat or enjoy.  Seriously, we would have to barely touch our main course to eat an appetizer and desert.

Maybe it's just a big city thing, having fancy restaurants?  Just how expensive are your dishes there?  I think I'd have to drive for an hour to find a restaurant with main dishes over $20, and that's just the one place up near the lake.  Next closest is probably hour and a half if not two.



Let's see:

My entree (broiled filet - 16oz) was $33.
Her's (Stuffed Twin Lobsters with Crab Meat & Mascarpone Cheese) was $45.
Our appetizer was $6 (it's not on the online menu - cured pork tenderloin.  uber yummy).

That's $84 right there.  With drinks (1 glass of sangria (some special kind they make there), 2 Estrella beers) and dessert (triple chocolate cake and tiramisu) $107 is pretty easy to get to.  I don't recall the exact pricing on the beers and sangria and desserts.  If you have to worry about how much you're spending on your dinner, you're eating in the wrong place.  ;) 

It's our anniversary thing.  We don't buy each other stuff, we go out to eat at a nice place.  It's better that way, IMO, and we probably end up spending less than most gift exchanging couples do anyway.

By the way, the place was pretty good.  The online menu doesn't even come close to doing the actual menu justice.  It's missing a fair bit of stuff, IIRC.  And they had like a dozen (literally) specials of the day, too.  And the wine list is truly massive.  I'd go there again even though I don't do seafood.  They have a cheese and spinach stuffed chicken breast dish I'd really like to try.  And it's only $19! 
#44

EscherEnigma

Jun 05, 2012 8:58:37
There might be one near you.


Two to three hours.  A bit far for dinner.

If you have to worry about how much you're spending on your dinner, you're eating in the wrong place.  ;)  


I think you misunderstand, it's not worry.  It's that it's literally impossible for me to spend that much on a meal ticket without a road trip.

Crazy big city expensive places.
#45

jetshield

Jun 05, 2012 10:08:07
These guys have no concept of what it means to live in the boonies. I may have mentioned once or twice that I'm 10 miles from the nearest gas station. I can get to a McDonald's or a Burger King (but not both) in about 20 minutes. Applebees is a 40-45 minute drive. The nearest "real" restaurant is almost 2 hours away, and, frankly, their service staff has been exceptionally rude the three times I've been there. I won't be going back.

When we go out to eat, it's not really about the food (I can get better food at home). It's about going out somewhere. My options are limited to McD's, BK, Applebees, a Chinese place that's been cited for health code violations twice in the last 3 years, and redneck bars. Unless, that is, I'm willing to drive for more than an hour.
#46

draco1119

Jun 05, 2012 11:29:58
When we go out to eat, it's not really about the food (I can get better food at home). It's about going out somewhere. My options are limited to McD's, BK, Applebees, a Chinese place that's been cited for health code violations twice in the last 3 years, and redneck bars. Unless, that is, I'm willing to drive for more than an hour.

Redneck bars for the win!
#47

zombie_babies

Jun 05, 2012 12:08:44
I think you misunderstand, it's not worry.  It's that it's literally impossible for me to spend that much on a meal ticket without a road trip.

Crazy big city expensive places.



Yeah, I think it's more poor writing on my part.  I wanted to add that line simply to add my opinion.  It wasn't meant as a direct address even though I didn't really take any care at all to present it in such a manner that it could be taken as anything but.  So, not my bad for the reason you give but totally my bad for another reason.  Nyah. 

It's a mini road trip for us.  We're about an hour from Cleveland.  So ... yeah, it's not much of a trip at all. 

These guys have no concept of what it means to live in the boonies. I may have mentioned once or twice that I'm 10 miles from the nearest gas station. I can get to a McDonald's or a Burger King (but not both) in about 20 minutes. Applebees is a 40-45 minute drive. The nearest "real" restaurant is almost 2 hours away, and, frankly, their service staff has been exceptionally rude the three times I've been there. I won't be going back.

When we go out to eat, it's not really about the food (I can get better food at home). It's about going out somewhere. My options are limited to McD's, BK, Applebees, a Chinese place that's been cited for health code violations twice in the last 3 years, and redneck bars. Unless, that is, I'm willing to drive for more than an hour.



dood, I would love to live way out in the middle of nowhere.  Can't do it, though.  Stupid wife wantin' the kid to go to a good school system. 
#48

homicidal_squirrel

Jun 05, 2012 13:11:05
See, this is why every time someone tells me that they want to move to some small town, I tell them they're insane. Why would you want to live somewhere that requires you go on a road trip to eat at a decent restaurant? I would imagine anything else would be just as far or further away.
#49

EscherEnigma

Jun 05, 2012 14:18:55
Why would you want to live somewhere that requires you go on a road trip to eat at a decent restaurant?


Well, it depends on the town.  My current place it's pretty much "because of the job" and nothing else.  The town doesn't even have the "it's nice and compact so you can walk everywhere" bit, it's so spread out.

Previous town though?  It was a small town, but it had a real nice atmosphere (I blame the school) and there were nice places to eat throughout town.  Not super expensive (no $100 meals for two there), but it was nice being able to walk across town, sit down and have a wonderful little pizza and a pint or two of the seasonal whatever, and then saunter back on home.  The bar was just a block away, I could get down to the running track in five minutes (and it also had a set-up of bars for pull ups and such), I could walk to the school's gym fro when I wanted to lift weights...  It was a nice little town.

Not for kids, mind you (in towns like that the only things for kids to do are eachother and drugs), but for a twenty-something?  Yeah, it was nice.  If only there was any sort of industry in town so a twenty-something without kids could stay.

#50

zombie_babies

Jun 05, 2012 14:27:34
See, this is why every time someone tells me that they want to move to some small town, I tell them they're insane. Why would you want to live somewhere that requires you go on a road trip to eat at a decent restaurant? I would imagine anything else would be just as far or further away.



I don't like people.  I'd gladly trade in convenience for more land and less neighbors - and my current neighbors are actually good.  I'm a bit different, though, cuz I like to fish and shoot and hunt.  My ideal home would allow me to do all of that without the need to drive somewhere, pay someone and deal with people.  The rest I don't really care about.
#51

homicidal_squirrel

Jun 05, 2012 17:32:25
See, this is why every time someone tells me that they want to move to some small town, I tell them they're insane. Why would you want to live somewhere that requires you go on a road trip to eat at a decent restaurant? I would imagine anything else would be just as far or further away.



I don't like people.  I'd gladly trade in convenience for more land and less neighbors - and my current neighbors are actually good.  I'm a bit different, though, cuz I like to fish and shoot and hunt.  My ideal home would allow me to do all of that without the need to drive somewhere, pay someone and deal with people.  The rest I don't really care about.

Well it's a good thing you work as a janitor.
#52

Escef

Jun 05, 2012 18:41:08
Next you'll start telling me you like straight coffee...


I take my coffee black, no sugar.
#53

Robin_Hoodlum

Jun 05, 2012 19:03:10
LOL...
Reminded me of a conversation at the breakfast table one morning at the parents house...

My step mom to me- "How do you like your coffee?"
Me- "I like my coffee like I like my women!"
My brother- "What? Ground up and in a can?"
#54

Robin_Hoodlum

Jun 05, 2012 19:06:27
Next you'll start telling me you like straight coffee...


I take my coffee black, no sugar.


Remember the coffee, creamer, and sugar packets that came in MREs?
I knew guys in the Army that would EAT them all at the same time.
No water.
Just poured all 3 packets in their mouth, chewed a bit, and then swallowed...
#55

zombie_babies

Jun 06, 2012 8:17:19
LOL...
Reminded me of a conversation at the breakfast table one morning at the parents house...

My step mom to me- "How do you like your coffee?"
Me- "I like my coffee like I like my women!"
My brother- "What? Ground up and in a can?"



Not quite the same as grinding it yourself though, is it? 
#56

bone_naga

Jun 06, 2012 17:44:54
Oh please, you guys drink Beer. Ya'll have no taste what so ever.

Next you'll start telling me you like straight coffee, or that black liquorice tastes good. 


I drink my coffee black but black liquorice sucks.

Anyway, I don't usually spend a $100 when it's my whole family, unless it's something a little more upscale, like when we went to this lobster place where the entire restaurant was floating in the water and the food and service were awesome.
#57

bone_naga

Jun 06, 2012 17:45:31
LOL...
Reminded me of a conversation at the breakfast table one morning at the parents house...

My step mom to me- "How do you like your coffee?"
Me- "I like my coffee like I like my women!"
My brother- "What? Ground up and in a can?"


Actually I prefer to take my women in a styrofoam cup.
#58

Cpt_Micha

Jun 06, 2012 17:45:35
Do they still make MRE coffee Folgers brand?

God what a sick ****.  I can't even drink that swill in non instant form. 
#59

bone_naga

Jun 06, 2012 17:46:35
Next you'll start telling me you like straight coffee...


I take my coffee black, no sugar.


Remember the coffee, creamer, and sugar packets that came in MREs?
I knew guys in the Army that would EAT them all at the same time.
No water.
Just poured all 3 packets in their mouth, chewed a bit, and then swallowed...


I will eat the coffee, especially on long missions, but all three at once? No thanks.
#60

Cpt_Micha

Jun 06, 2012 17:59:43
I think I'd rather eat insects than eat folgers instant.

They are more tasty.

Seriously it's designed to be consumed with water and it's still swill.

Comere tarantula.. ants, dragonfly... whatever it's nom nom time. 
#61

Robin_Hoodlum

Jun 06, 2012 18:15:48
...Seriously it's designed to be consumed with water and it's still swill.


If you think that coffee is bad, you should try the coffee in the local jail...
(Well, no. You shouldn't. But I'm just sayin'...)
#62

Cpt_Micha

Jun 06, 2012 18:20:43
It's probably burnt Folgers instant.
#63

Robin_Hoodlum

Jun 06, 2012 18:54:04
It's probably burnt Folgers instant.


I wish it was.
At least then it would be a little thicker and have some kind of taste...
Not that I have ever been in my local county jail...